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FAQ # 114

QUESTION  114 :  I've seen many verses cited by Anti-Justification teachers against what they call "Once save, always save" doctrine. Are they correct in this? Am I to now believe in conditional security because of the many scriptures presented in an attempt to refute Justification?

In addition to all the FAQ's presented so far to disapprove wrong notions of verses misused, to say someone who is justified can become lost, this last FAQ under this section will iron out most all of the rest - or the more commonly used ones by evangelicaloutreach.com. This is sometimes done innocently. These are more of someone digging erroneously in a verse to prove a theory, rather than expounding on the verse to see if it does say we can loose our salvation; basically inventing a theology then find verses to say it is valid. With such loose handling of the word any doctrine can be "valid." For example, one person might say, "the true biblical doctrine is that wives should remain a virgin until a child is conceived, because this is was the principle laid down by Christ when he came through a virgin womb." You see the foolishness in that. Yet this sort of biblical reasoning is rampant in our churches today, not only that, remains valid when the absurdity is found out. That's why you have over 35, 000 denominations, everyone can use all the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation to prove their theory. As for this question, the following table will show that the scriptures use to say we can loose our salvation after being justified are dead wrong:

Verse # 1: "Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses" (Matt 18:21-35).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Emphasis on verse 35; this unmerciful person who didn't forgive, so he was destroyed. Therefore, saints who don't forgive will go to hell's fire, thus loosing their salvation.

 

Refutation: Even if this scripture is foolishly used to say one looses their salvation, it would contradict the part that says "delivered him to the tormentors, till..." In other words, he should be punished until debt is paid, not punished indefinitely. Remember Christ also used the word "Likewise." If punished indefinitely, it couldn't be a "likewise," for the lake of fire lasts into eternity. It was simply talking of earthly affairs and has no bearing on your "eternal state" before God when resurrected. It follows a simply principle, "for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Gal 6:7). In other words, if I take away your sins and you can't forgive your brother's trespasses, then you'll suffer for your sins earthly.  Not being cast into the lake of fire or loose your salvation, but like a good father, teach you a lesson even before those you despised. Sins have consequences, which Christ can succor you through, or take away as promised in Isaiah 43:2. But if you don't show mercy after having received it, he can move his hand to teach you a lesson. Notice that he says that if we don't forgive he won't pardon our trespasses. When we were saved, he forgive us, so he's talking about times when we will mess up after being saved; and need his help to get over the consequences. Remember, every disobedience or offense does receive a just recompense (Heb 2:2), so he can choose to succor us or allow us to waddle in it. If you avoid mercy vehemently, he'll allow you to waddle. The ultimate consequences of sin is eternal death, to which eternal life is the cure - given and cannot be retracted. That's why the scripture says, "grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption" (Eph 4:30). Plus, "if any man sin [or fall into temptation], we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1). First, you're sealed so don't grieve God with your unmercifulness. Second, if you're suffering because of it, don't think it will cause you your eternal life because you have an advocate with the father. Nevertheless, I'm persuaded those in Christ will show mercy, because it's apart of their nature, having the spirit of God (Eze 36:27). In fact, "the fruit of the spirit is in all goodness and righteousness" (Eph 5:9). If you have the spirit, you will bear its fruits.

 

Verse # 2: "He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down" (Luke 13:6-9).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Fruitless fig tree; a suggestion is made that these fig trees are "saved persons" whom he cut down. Cut down suggest loosing salvation and becoming just a "person," no longer saved, because they didn’t bear fruit; whatever fruit be.

 

Refutation: Again, you have to read from verse 1 to the get the context. Two times he made the contrast of sinners dying, and asking questions about these sinners; that is, did they die because their sins were greater than any? Then he answered himself rhetorically by saying, "except ye all [anyone] repent, ye shall likewise perish" (Lk 13:3). In other words, all unsaved persons shall perish, not because one sins more than the other. Then in verse 6-9 he gave the parable of the fig tree being cut down, to tie it in with verses 1-5. Saying, it's not the fig tree but any fig tree that doesn't bear fruit will be cut down. In other words, it is not the sinner or his magnitude of sins, but any person that doesn't "Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance" (Matt 3:8) will perish. The three years suggests three years of preaching to the sinners and judgment has come, but the dresser of the vineyard beg for another year to try and get him/her converted; hoping they might accept the call to change and not suffer hell's fire - "longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Pet 3:9). Therefore, the fig tree contextually pointed to the unsaved and not a save person. Because once you're saved, you must bear fruits (Eze 36:27, 1 John 3:24, Eph 5:9) or else you're not saved (1 John 3:9-10, 3 John 1:11).

 

Verse # 3: "Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats" (Matt 25:24-30).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Based on the talents. The servant is allegedly a saved person, who lost his salvation and was thrown in the lake of fire because he didn't use his ability God gave him.

 

Refutation: To get this parable and quench the notion of someone who is saved loosing salvation, we must start from the beginning of the parable. It reads, "The kingdom of heaven is as a man traveling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods" (Verse 14). Christ began by telling them what he came to do and some consequences it has, that is, bring the Kingdom of Heaven; or, salvation. The man traveling into a far country is Christ. His own servants are the Jews. The "goods" he gave them is the word of salvation. Some Jews like Peter and Paul took it, got saved and added many to the church. Other Jews like the ones who had Christ crucified, heard and tried to hide it by killing those who had it. They received the goods, but in zealousness feared because they couldn't give an account for it in "the prophets;" though it was evident. Christ said, "reaping where thou hath not sown," this could be a reference some Jews used to reject Christ in saying, "Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth" (John 1:36)? Literally saying, you're reaping where you haven't sown, no prophet arise from Nazareth so no salvation comes from there. Therefore, the servant who was banished wasn't saved in the first place, because you can't just hear the word but also act upon it. If he acted upon it in getting saved, he would have also produced. You can't just attend church every Sunday, you must be born again. Receive the goods (word) and capitalize on the goods (get save and get others saved).

 

Verse # 4: "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire" (Matt 5:22).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: If you call your brother a fool you're going to hell's fire, as ludicrous as it sounds, especially with Galatians 3:1, "O foolish Galatians" and 1 Corinthian 15:36, "Thou fool." 

 

Refutation: Again, read the verses before and after to get the meaning of the verse. Verse 17-48 gives the context and thus meaning. The key to answering this is also found in verse 20, expounded on elsewhere. Verse 20 told us that if our righteousness doesn't exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, we can't be saved. Then the verse in the context, including verse 22, made it harder to exceed this righteousness as he seems to add more laws to the law. Then in verse 48 he throws the impossible statement to us, "Be ye therefore thou perfect." We know that God alone is good (Matt 19:17) and to be perfect to where it is needed to be saved, as stated in verse 20, meant we have to be as good as God. Obviously this was a setting for the thesis for his plan of salvation. That is, we in and of ourselves cannot be perfect, thus no man can be saved. Then comes the solution. That is, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible" (Matt 19:26). In other words, what was impossible with men is fulfilled in Jesus Christ; and also abolishing the curse of the law. What we couldn't do by ourselves, no matter how hard we tried, was gained by salvation through Christ - PERFECTION. Meaning, once you're born again you become perfect or what is referred to as justified. The perfection or holiness that Christ has now belongs to you, being apart of his body. Thus making you saved. No wonder Paul could have said, "O foolish Galatians," in spite of what Christ said in verse 22 and still be saved (though not making a practice of it). Especially seeing that almost all the things we do, as a result of our Adamic nature, is an imperfection; sometimes, even when good is intended. To compensate this, God has hid us in Christ. Matthew 5:22 was also trying to bring this out. But as usual, we are tempted just to single out a verse.

 

Verse # 5: "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven" (Matt 10:33).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Deny me before men and thus I deny you. Therefore, this alleged saved person lost their salvation.

 

Refutation: This verse doesn’t apply to truly converted Christians, as in born again. But rather, to those who profess to be and are not. The scripture says, "the righteous are bold as a lion" (Prov 21:8); and today, righteousness comes by being born again. Your nature is changed. In fact, you wouldn't become born again if you didn't posses or was given a level of boldness. Now, while born again, this is forefront in your life and makes it impossible for you to deny Christ or be offended in him. Some of the disciples were scattered far away when Christ was taken, but after receiving his spirit at Pentecost, they became willing martyrs. You're apart of Christ, his body and "no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it" (Eph 5:29), not deny it. Matthew 10:33 was pointing to unregenerated believers, more specifically, wagonists.

 

Verse # 6: "How think ye? If a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray" (Matt 18:12-13).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: One loses salvation because this verse says you can wander away.

 

Refutation: This verse does suggest some wandering or becoming unsteady, but not loosing of salvation. The mere fact the Shepard went and got you shows that you're apart of his fold. This is better explained by Hebrews 10:39, which simply states that though we draw back, we will never draw back unto perdition. Meaning, though we stray, we will never stray to the point of loosing our salvation. The mechanism called the spirit of God will "kick in" and keep you in the fold. Wandering or being unsteady at times is a possibility, but loosing your salvation is not; nor does it equates to it. If you don't have some weak tendencies how could you be human sustain by grace through salvation. Hence, "My grace is sufficient for thee” (2 Cor 12:9)

 

Verse # 7: "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (Gal 5:19-21).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Saying, if a save person started to do these things they loose their salvation.

 

Refutation: Now, as clearly stated in the Justification chapter, you'll never find a genuine born again believer living a life doing these things. This is explicitly stated in 1 John 3:9-10 and 3 John 1:11. If they continue in such a lifestyle it means they were never saved. However, this doesn't mean born again Christians don't slip up and 'sin'; even those who preach the loosing salvation message ("conditional security") sin after believing. However, for someone who is saved, it is not a lifestyle, but an unfortunate trap they fell in; example, a slip of the tongue (lie), to get out of a sperk of the moment situation, rather than be still (Ex 14:13). Hebrews 10:39 explains what will happen, which simply states that though we draw back, we will never draw back unto perdition. We will bounce back; it’s the mechanism of the spirit in us (Eze 36:27, Prov 24:16).

 

Verse # 8: "For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. [IN ADDITION] And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith" (Gal 6:8-10).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Allegation that "if we faint not" suggests that this is only time we receive salvation. That is, if we remain "faintless" at all times, even to the end. Thus, if we faint at any time, we loose our salvation then.

 

Refutation: Like most of the scriptures already disputed, the context is greatly overlooked. It speaks nothing of salvation. It clearly said, "let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not." That is, don't stop doing good regardless of any reason, because God will not be mocked, those who do good will be rewarded in this life and the life to come; even while being persecuted. So continue to give to the poor, bear burdens, love and show mercy, even if it hurts. In other words, though you do good and afflicted for it, don't stop, be encouraged, it will pay off in the end. Not if you don't give a drink to a needy person ("well doing") this once, you loose your salvation! No! Apparently there will be rewards in the next life for well doing (1 Cor 3:12-15) and those who are consistent will receive a greater reward: As against those who start and stop, plus have questionable motives for well doing. In fact, the scripture says the works (well doing) will be judge separately from the state of the soul of the saints - which is perfection. The works can be rewarded or burnt-up but the soul of the saints is always saved; because they're justified and once justified, always justified. It reads, "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved" (1 Cor 3:13-15). Also, verse eight is what might give this erroneous lost of salvation view point. It said that those who sow to the flesh will receive corruption and those to the spirit everlasting life. This is true, as a sinner, if you continue to sow to the flesh you'll perish eternally, but if you sow to the spirit (become born again) you'll live eternally. Then notice the first word after that was said, "And...," to start verse 9. That is, in addition to salvation do good, not that salvation has a direct bearing on doing good - simply extra stuff he inherently desire of us and even automates. Doing good is pleasing to God and earn heavenly rewards, but doing good because you know of and solely want these rewards might reveal a wrong motive, to which such rewards will be burnt up. He wants us to do good for "doing good sake." Verse 9 has nothing to say or imply a saint loosing his salvation at any time under any circumstances. Moreover, if becoming weary in well doing meant a lost of salvation, who could be saved? Because the bible said, "Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall: But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint" (Isa 40:30-31). That's why Christ came and justified us, that is, make us perfect forever; and through that perfection strive to live godly - doing good.

 

Verse # 9: "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them" (Eph 5:5-7).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Someone who did one of these as a saint looses his salvation.

 

Refutation: See answer Verse # 5.

 

Verse # 10: "When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it" (Eze 33:13).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: A righteous man did one iniquity, lost his salvation and perished.

 

Refutation: As I've disputed elsewhere, this is an Old Testament reference of an individual under a different dispensation. Thus the person in question wasn't saved as we are because salvation wasn't given as yet. Therefore, how could he lose salvation if he didn't have it? Salvation given by Christ is eternal (Heb 10:14) as against the Old Covenant of the law, so to speak. Similarly, allegation of Patriarch like David, Solomon or even Judas Iscariot loosing "salvation" is fallacious, because they never had salvation. They were all under the law, a type of salvation to come through Jesus Christ. Not even Peter was saved until he was born again; that's why Christ said to him, "when thou art converted [saved], strengthen thy brethren" (Luke 22:32). If we could have been "saved" by the law, Christ would have died in vain. Paul himself said so, "for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain" (Gal 2:21). Salvation came after Christ's death, first demonstrated at Pentecost. That salvation, as prophesied (Eze 36:27), is an eternal one.

 

Verse # 11: "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death" (Rev 2:10-11).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Only those who endure the tribulation and testing of faith will be saved and those who begun saved and don't endure to the end will lose their salvation. Not remaining faithful and be hurt by the second death.

 

Refutation: One scripture said, "He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Php 1:6). In other words, Christ who caused you to believe and then saved you, will make sure you endure to the end. "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified" (Rom 8:29-30). He's not going to leave you in the middle or allow you to give in, he knows the end from the beginning and will succor you when you become weary (Isa 40:28-30). It's not even you keeping yourself, "It is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure" (Php 2:13). You'll make it, because God is doing it. No wonder Paul could have said, "For I am persuaded, that [nothing]… shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Rom 8:38-39). They say we distort this scripture to preach Justification, but Paul himself clearly and strongly stated that we will endure to the end through all the trials and temptations, by being in Christ - "Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us" (Rom 8:37). This also makes Jude 1:24 a correct scripture for Justification and for this thesis that Christ guarantees endurance to the end. Jude 1:24 clearly stated, "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy." This fact is also echoed by John 10:28.

Verse # 12: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" (Rev 22:19).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: A righteous man commits sin, lost his salvation and perished.

 

Refutation: See Verse #10.

 

Verse # 13: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" (Rev 22:19).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: If you're a saved person and you subtract from the word of God, specifically the book of Revelation, you loose your salvation. God take away your share in the tree of life and in the Holy Ghost.

 

Refutation: If you're a saved person why would you want to take away from the word that you love, only devils do that. Seeing that God is in you, it's like saying God wants to go back on his word. A true believer will not be found willingly and consciously subtracting from the word of God maliciously, as per Revelation 22:19. You'll hear of saints doing it, but they are not saints, but wolves in sheep clothing. As saints, the word is your new nature, you can't consciously go against your nature. You love the word and want to follow it (Ps 119). We might falter in striving to keep his word, but never falter in deliberately subtracting from the word maliciously.

 

Verse # 14: "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Rom 8:13).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Bring Christian to spiritual death or loose salvation.

 

Refutation: Verses 12 and 14 clears up this erroneous notion - "we are debtors, not to the flesh." A debtor is a slave to his debt. But notice what it says, we are not debtors to the flesh. Then what are we debtors to? The spirit of course. That's why verse 14 says, "For as many are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." In other words, if you're born again you will not live after the flesh because you're now in debited to live after the spirit. That's the reason if you're a son (born again) you'll be led by the spirit and thus mortify the deeds of the flesh; or else you're not a son. Therefore, a son (born again Christian) cannot be brought to "spiritual death."

 

Verse # 15: "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" (James 1:14-15).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Bring Christian to Spiritual death or loose salvation.

 

Refutation: This can only occur if you live after the flesh, which no saint or born again person can do. See Verse # 14 also. James 1:17 solidify a saint being justified forever when it said, "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."

 

Verse # 16: "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid" (Gal 2:17).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Not sure, a saint become a sinner, thus lose his salvation.

 

Refutation: If you read the context of the scripture, you'll see that it is clearly not understood. From verse 11 to 12. Paul was dealing with a simple issue of law and grace, nothing about sinning or losing salvation. What basically happened is that Peter, indirectly, insinuated the Gentiles to live like the Jews. This was a problem because the Jews lived after the tradition of the law; not for salvation, but custom. Paul jumped in and stopped it with the narrations of verses 14 to 21 of Gal 2. Basically stating that why live under the law (a Jewish life) if it profiteth nothing to the saving of your soul, but in fact condemn you before God, so to speak; whilst Christ already made you perfect. In verse 17 of Gal 2 he pointed out the fallacy of doing this, that is, if we are justified by Christ and put ourselves back under the law, when by doing this we are automatically condemned as sinners for not keeping it all, can Christ then be the minister of this? No! God forbid! He doesn't want us to use the law or any "measuring stick" to help him do the justifying, he wants us only to believe - "Him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom 4:4). This is all what this verse was talking about, not losing of salvation. And not even that Peter said doing this was for salvation - Jewish customs.

 

Verse # 17: "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself" (2 Tim 2:12-13).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: A saint deny Christ and stop believing in him, so Christ denies him and cut him off, thus a save person loose his salvation.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 5.

 

Verse # 18: "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses" (Matt 6:14-15).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: If you don't forgive, you are not forgiven, even after salvation, hence loosing your salvation.

 

Refutation: Definitely see Verse # 1. Also, one verse says, "Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift" (Matt 5:23-24). It didn't say you lost your salvation, just stop and go make a mence and come back with your dialogue.

 

Verse # 19: "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare; Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme" (1 Tim 1:18-20).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Faith of some become shipwreck, thus they loose their salvation.

 

Refutation: They are visibly three types of persons in church - saints, unsaved and wolves in sheep clothing (John 6:2); plus every now and then an evil spirit will try to influence a saint with some degree of success. The mere fact the unsaved is among the assembly means they are in a state of believing or exploration to believe. Now, when wolves in sheep clothing rear their ugly head, possibly like Hymenaeus and Alexander, the faith of the unsaved will become shipwreck and thus preventing a soul from coming to Christ, so to speak. The faith of the saints cannot totally be made shipwreck, to a so-called state of loosing salvation (Jude 1:24). We can regress, but never to perdition (Heb 10:39). "Even the youths [like Timothy] shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall: But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength" (Isa 40:30-31). If under the Old Covenant God renews your strength (Isa 40:31), how much more the New Covenant; so be at ease and wait upon the Lord. To prevent an unnecessary tug of war of the mind, during such a process, Timothy and the rest of saints were admonished to be on guard. Moreover, that's why we are given the spirit of truth (John 16:13) and “ye need not that any man teach you” (1 John 2:27). The spirit in you reproves error, it's a built-in mechanism of the born again experience; which also keeps you from utterly wandering away from a pure heart, a good conscience, sincere faith and turning to meaningless talk.

 

Verse # 20: "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (:2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" (1 Cor 15:1-4).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Not sure, someone suddenly loose salvation if they don't "keep in memory" Paul's preaching - verse 2.

 

Refutation: A Letter sent to a church, especially Corinthians, was done so addressing everybody - saved, unsaved, church visitors and others. So when he went there to preach and told the unsaved how to be saved, if they did what he said and became saved, then they wouldn't have believed in vain and kept in memory what he preached. However, that only happens in a perfect world, for not all the unsaved follow through on his preaching on how to be saved. To those who didn't, verse 2 of 1 Cor 15 applies, “believed in vain.” Not to the saints. “Believe” suggests they were in the church, listened and even sometimes became responsive (that takes faith), but did not follow through. This verse doesn't state or imply anyone can loose or lost their salvation.

 

Verse # 21: "And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some" (2 Tim 2:17-18).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: "Over throw the faith of some," alludes to some saints losing their salvation. Plus those who did it wandered away from the truth.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19.

 

Verse # 22: "Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear" (Luke 14:34-35).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Loose your saltiness refers to loosing your salvation.

 

Refutation: It surprises me that after reading this verse, I was reaffirmed that it really has nothing to do with salvation. Christ was expounding on what it means to come to him (become saved) and more explicitly what it  takes to be a disciple. Two different thesis. You can be saved but come short of being all that you can be in discipleship, so to speak. You can be a citizen of a country but fail to be a good Ambassador. Both the Ambassador and the Citizen are natural born residents, but one sparks to represent his country. Likewise, those who are born again (come to Christ) and those who are operating as an 'effective' disciple are saved. However, if the 'effective' disciple quit discipling, he's neither fit for the master's use or men in General. For instance, interject the sacrament called "The Vow of Poverty" and its purpose into Luke 14:34-35. It would read, "The vow of poverty is good: but if the vow of poverty has lost its purpose, wherewith shall 'he' be humbled? He is neither fit for godly service, nor yet for an ordinary job; men will refuse him." That is, neither God or any person will use or employ a person that is not humble. That's what the verse was talking about, God using you as a disciple and you then decide to quit - you would loose your saltiness. You're no longer fit for the master's use, except revived; and men seeing will refuse you also. Though temporarily in this state, you're still saved. Though an ambassador is no longer an Ambassador, he is still a citizen of his country. Likewise, though a disciple might allegedly loose his zest, he is still saved. Therefore, this verse in no way implies someone loosing his salvation, even if he looses his "saltiness," in this context. In addition, given the operation of the spirit of God in a person's life, a saved person will never loose their saltiness (Php 2:13, John 4:14, Eze 36:27, Heb 10:39).

 

Verse # 23: "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows…Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen" (1 Tim 6:10, 21).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Wander away from the faith because of money and thus loose salvation.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19.

 

Verse # 24: "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip" (Heb 2:1).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Drift away and thus loose salvation.

 

Refutation: Saints might regress, because “Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall” (Isa 40:30), but never to the lost of salvation (Heb 10:39). That's one of the reasons for teaching, to always keep the saints in remembrance (1 Timothy 4:6). And to help that along, "every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward" (Heb 2:2). If not, we would be "bastards and not sons" (Heb 12:8). The same one who chastises is the same one that will bring "many sons unto glory" (Heb 2:10); regardless of anything. This in no way suggests a saint loosing salvation and the word of God guarantees that we will not drift away from him to destruction. See Verse # 11.

 

Verse # 25: "And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me" (Matt 11:6).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Falling away from salvation by being "offended in Christ."

 

Refutation: See Verse # 5.

 

Verse # 26: "And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered…But Peter said unto him, Although all shall be offended, yet will not I" (Mark 14:27, 29).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Falling away from salvation.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 5.

Verse # 27: "And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another" (Matt 24:10).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Turn away from the faith and thus loose salvation.

 

Refutation: This verse is speaking of the unsaved in general, verse 9 spoke of the saints. Moreover, the narration given couldn't apply to the character of the saints (Gal 5:22). Verse ten is the mechanism God would allow to happen to manifest (1 Cor 11:19) the wheat (saved) from the tare (unsaved), among them that are categories as the saints. Being offended in Christ meant that you were not apart of Christ in the first place; you were either faking it or led into falsehood.

 

Verse # 28: "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling" (1 Tim 1:5-6).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Wander away from a pure heart, a good conscience, a sincere faith and turn to meaningless talk. Thus, loose your salvation.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19.

 

Verse # 29: "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him" (John 6:66).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Turn back and no longer follow Jesus and afterwards loses salvation.

 

Refutation: As stated in Verse # 10, before Pentecost, no one was saved. Hence these disciples of his, including the 12, weren't converted as yet (Luke 22:32) and therefore couldn't enjoy the benefits of salvation; particularly Justification. Moreover, these disciples that turn from walking with Jesus were not really with him, but rather, they were wagonists; this was manifest by their leaving (1 John 2:19). Christ clearly said this in verse 65 of John 6, "no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my father."

 

Verse # 30: "Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness" (2 Peter 2:15).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Leave the straight way and follow the way of Balaam.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19.

 

Verse # 31: "For some are already turned aside after Satan" (1 Tim 5:15).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Turn away to follow satan.

 

Refutation: There's another FAQ that dealt with this fully, but simply put, it didn't mean they lost their salvation or became satanists. King David was tempted by satan to do a simple thing as numbering the people on his own initiative (1 Chronicles 21:1), he didn't become a satanist or ultimately out-of-sync with God. Likewise the people in this verse, because of time (single and not allow to minister), will always be tempted to do stupid things. "Idle hands are a tool for the devil." Though they wont loose their salvation if at one time they slipped, being justified, it gives "occassion to the adversary to speak reproachfully" against the church (1 Tim 5:14); which also hinders the unsaved from coming to Christ, so to speak. As saints, we will have struggles with the enemy, but by God's spirit we will not turn away to follow satan (Eze 36:27).

Verse # 32: "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (2 Tim 4:4).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Turn your ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19. Plus this was mostly general, as in people will flock false beliefs (religions) as against the orthodox and conservative Christendom (Apostolicity).

 

Verse # 33: "Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness…Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God…For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end" (Heb 3: 8, 12, 14).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Acquire a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19.

 

Verse # 34: "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame" (Heb 6:6).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Fall away to the point where you can't be renewed to repentance.

 

Refutation: There is an FAQ (not verse #) that fully deals with this in great length, look above or try FAQ # 79.

 

Verse # 35: "See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven" (Heb 12:25).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Turn away from him who warns us from heaven.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 5 and Verse # 13.

 

Verse # 36: "I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot…So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth" (Rev 3:15,16).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Become luke warm and get spit out of the body of Christ.

 

Refutation: Being “neither cold nor hot” suggests a state of being an non-active disciple, as discussed in Verse # 22. Because of the increase riches and influence of the church, the discipleshiphood (fervent prayer, fasting, fellowship and evangelism) had relatively died out. It is relative because it's not altogether dead. They know they must evangelize, so simple mechanisms are in place to satisfy that guilt. Christ knowing the state they're in will refuse them as Ambassador of the faith - disciples. This is fully discussed in Verse # 22. This doesn't mean they are lost or can be, as discussed in Verse # 22. This ambassadorship of being a disciple can be easily regained if they repent; which means turning their hearts again to be zealous for God, rather than "going through the motion." When this occurs, he will sanction it by signs, wonders and a renewed relationship. That's why he said, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent" (Rev 3:19). At the end of Rev 3 after addressing all the churches, he said that those who overcome will sit in heavenly places; thus, as discussed in Verse # 19 and Verse # 20, this letter addresses churches that were filled with saved, unsaved and wolves. Those who overcome are the ones who were saved and the salvation they have caused them to overcome. The others who didn't make it were only faking it. That's the reason gold (saved) is place in fire, to refine it; while other materials (unsaved, wolves) will burn up. God knows what he is doing, the trials are only to strengthen the saved and weed out the bad. The save will always overcome, "make it" and never loose their salvation – “For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith” (1 John 5:4).

 

Verse # 37: "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness" (2 Peter 3:17).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secured position.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 6 and Verse # 19.

 

Verse # 38: "Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein" (Heb 13:9).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19.

 

Verse # 39: "Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad" (Matt 26:31).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Saved people fall away.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 5.

Verse # 40: "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall" (2 Peter 1:10).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Saved people fall away.

 

Refutation: Falling is always a possibility for saints, not being able to get up is not; "A just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again" (Pro 24:16). In fact, it proves that you are saved, “For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith” (1 John 5:4). In other words, “We are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul" (Heb 10:39). Moreover, "falling" once or twice doesn't equate to loosing salvation. Not getting up and continue in the sin denotes never having salvation. And even if you get knocked down you are still perfect – Heb 10:14.

 

Verse # 41: "Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure" (1 Tim 5:22).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Sin makes a Holy person unholy and thus he looses his salvation.

 

Refutation: Sin does grieve the spirit of God (Eph 4:30), but it doesn't cause you to loose your salvation. That's why John writes, "if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1). In other words, because Christ died for sins once (Heb 7:27), all your sins are taken care of, making you perfect forever (Heb 10:14); upon conversion, that is.

 

Verse # 42: "Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy" (Rev 3:4).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Sin makes a holy person unholy and thus looses his salvation.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 36. Plus, “not defiled their garments” doesn’t suggests never sinning or that one’s salvation is conditional, according to Dan. But it is simply an analogy to say in the midst of the Sardis church he has some genuinely saved ones; for in the church are fakers, Christ-curious and saints. Saved means you are clean, period, as in the analogy of having an undefiled garment. More importantly, what keeps that garment undefiled is Heb 10:14, which in essence makes it stain free, even if stained (sinned).

 

 

 

Verse # 43: "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness" (Rom 6:16)?

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Christian can sin in such a way to bring him back into the lake of fire.

 

Refutation: Verses 18 and 17 of Rom 6 clears this up when he thanked God that they, saved folk, became obedient unto righteousness. In other words, the "sin unto death" here refers to unsaved folks. If the unsaved continue to yield their members to sin they will perish (Lk 13:3). This will not happen to a saved person because you cannot become servant to sin anymore. He himself said, "Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness" (Rom 6:18). See Verse # 14.

 

Verse # 44: "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him…Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins" (James 5:19, 20).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Straying from the truth is to jeopardize the soul of the righteousness to [eternal] death.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19. See also the Super-Christian FAQ, # 348 or 88.

 

Verse # 45: "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die" (Gen 3:4).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Adam lost his righteousness and thus we can loose our salvation.

 

Refutation: Excellent example of Justification brought by Christ. Adam lost his righteousness because he was unregenerated. Christ solved that problem by making us regenerated (born again) and thus perfect forever (Heb 10:14). Plus Adam's righteousness was different because he didn't have salvation - the new eternal righteousness that replaced the old. Though we become like Adam before he fell, righteous, we have an added mechanism, a greater grace of God’s spirit that makes us unable to perish again.

Verse # 46: "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates" (2 Cor 13:5)?

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Not sure.

 

Refutation: This clearly proves Justification. Christ is in you so you cannot backslide to the former life of being reprobates. In fact, it did say "know ye not," that is, can you not see that because you're justified by Christ you're "secure" in him and also cannot 'go-a-sinning' - "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not" (1 John 5:18). Not you trying to be this way altogether, but it is simply given by Christ (Eze 36:22); making a believer unable to loose his salvation.

 

Verse # 47: "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ" (Gal 1:6-7).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Deserting Christ and thus loose your salvation.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19.

 

Verse # 48: "That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus" (Philippians 3:10-12).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: If Paul was pressing everyday hoping not to fall, how much more we.

 

Refutation: We are saved by faith, and faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Meaning, though we say we are redeemed, we say it by faith, but it actually isn't fully materialize as yet. However, knowing that it must be, we can speak it. That's why this verse says, “until the redemption of the purchased possession" (Eph 1:14). We are waiting to be redeemed, but by faith we actually are. That's what Paul alludes to. With this scenario, we still have the struggles of the flesh and strive as if we can fall, hating the deeds of the flesh by our renewed nature.

 

Verse # 49: "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it…Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief" (Heb 4:1, 11).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Come short of entering in.

 

Refutation: He spoke this to the general assembly of the Hebrews, not all were saved and thus this also addressed the unsaved. If you read the last verses of Heb 3, you'll see he spoke to the Jews as Jews; that is, he reminded them of the Hebrews that didn't believe at the time of the Exodus and didn't make it into the promise land. So then, those of you Hebrews that don't believe on this gospel, typified by that same Exodus experience, will also not enter into the eternal rest promised. That's all these verses were saying. Believe the gospel, enter the promises; reject the gospel, and like some in Moses days, don't make it in. He used a popular Hebrew historic event to appeal to the Hebrews who were unsaved. This would also, as a spin-off, strengthen the saved.

 

Verse # 50: "I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not" (Jude 1:5).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: This allusion to Israel reiterated by the New Testament shows we can loose salvation.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19 and  Verse # 49.

Verse # 51: "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister" (Col 1:23).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Doing work of staying saved.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 8.

 

Verse # 52: "After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep" (1 Cor 15:6).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Fallen asleep suggest salvation is lost.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 19.

 

Verse # 53: "But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end…For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end" (Heb 3:6, 14).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: Doing work of staying saved.

 

Refutation: See Verse # 8.

 

Verse # 54: "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life" (Rom 2:7).

 

Allegation To Loosing Salvation: "To get eternal life, we must persist in doing good. This parallels how the Lord describes those who would, in the end, enter the kingdom of God, 'those who have done good will rise...' (John 5:29)" - Dan Corner.

Refutation: In other words, only those who do good works will be saved. And true bible adherents don't find this and these entire allegations by Dan Corner disturbing? The very notion of a salvation by works nullify this scripture - “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt” (Rom 4:4). That is, if you employ a salvation by “works” notion, you forfeit grace and is actually in debt, still being a sinner: it has to be by faith. What is faith? "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb 11:1). Belief saves, not "works of righteousness." That's what Christ's ministry was about - you believe for what you couldn't or cannot work for. All the New Testament clearly tells us this or alludes to it; plainly stated here, "Him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom 4:4). This thesis is reiterated so many times in the New Testament it is foolish to conclude otherwise. Any allusion to "works" as in Rom 2:7 can be clearly explained in its context. Nevertheless, those who receive this grace (salvation) are taught and fervently strive to live godly. Not to be saved but because its apart of their true nature in Christ and to please him. See Verse # 8 also.

In addition, the Epistles were sent to churches that also consisted of a mixed crowed: church attendees, those pretending to be save, arbitrary comers, Christ curious, wagonists and others. So, most of the warnings and content of the scriptures were also written to them - that they deceive not themselves thinking they have salvation by church attendance, affiliation, “wearing a cloak” or any such things. They often profess righteousness, even regarded so by their brethrens. Most often there is no difference in zeal, good works (charitable handouts) or even biblical recitation between true converts and ardent churchgoers - such is the case today, as well. Any church you go to across the globe you'll find this mixture of people in it. In fact, John wrote a letter in 1 John to tell the leaders how to distinguish the true believers from churchgoers. Paul often did so as well. Today, exerts from this is misinterpreted as a direct reference that a believer can eternally perish or loosing his salvation. Nothing could be farther from the truth as seen in the previous verse by verse refutation in the above table.

Finally, "Upon careful examination of this whole topic, you must now clearly see that the threatenings, the cautions, and the warnings, of the word of God, and all the individual instances of apostasy recorded in the scripture, and that occur in our own day, afford no proof that any true believer in Christ will every 'lose his faith, and regeneration,' or will not persevere in grace unto the attainment of final and complete salvation. Many, in the third place, object to our conclusion on this subject from the apprehension that the doctrine may inspire a dangerous security and create a carelessness in the use of the means of salvation. They think its practical tendency injurious...But no such consequences are attendant upon it when truly and fully comprehended. Does anyone, professedly a Christian, and properly instructed, deliberately, and intentionally, practice sin against God? It is essential to the very nature of grace that it leads to holiness and obedience in this life, as well as to salvation in that which is to come" (R.H).

The problem with what they term eternal security is that it has been distorted and watered down; similar to how salvation is reduced to a sinner's prayer and the Godhead to three individuals. We didn't stop preaching salvation or the true deity of God because of the popular erroneous notions. So we shouldn't stop preaching "eternal security" (I really hate the term, the biblical word is justification) just because it is distorted by some of the same ones who adhere to the popular fallacious doctrines (Trinity, sinner's prayers salvation, cessation of the gift of the spirit, etc).

My friend, once justified, always justified; hence, once saved, always saved. If you're born-again (acts 3:38), you are washed and nothing can undo that or take it away (Heb 10:14)

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