LBR TRADING ROOM PHILSOPHY!!

Welcome to our real-time futures analysis and trading via the internet.  We comment on the analysis and trade setups that we take for our own accounts as well as various exits and trade management strategies.

Our trading consists of a mixture of the S&P daytrading and short-term swing trading (1-2 days) in the futures markets.  As we post our dialogue and commentary throughout the day, please keep in mind that these are trades that we take for our own account and are not intended as trade recommendations.  We hope you find it informative and educational!!!

We login at 8 AM EDT and start pre-market commentary at 9:15 EDT.

The membership fee for our room is only $350.00 (US Dollars) per month.  The room is open to all the first trading day of each month for trials.

Please contact Laura for questions concerning joining or billing at: 888-LIMITDN (888-546-4836), or email lbondurant@worldnet.att.net .  You can also sign up on our secure site.

Hope you enjoy!!

Happy Trading...

Sincerely,

Linda and the LBRGroup Team  

Chris, John, James, Laura

Our Philosophy: Starts by using market orders for entries when initiating trades in a trending market, if you are doing larger size put the trade on in two units, scale out in two units, if you do a single contract, exit on our first exit. Don’t over-trade, all that is needed is one trade a day in the SP's, you must have patience to wait for the higher probability trade.

Must trade only when there is liquidity. What defines liquidity? A ten-lot market order in the SP should not have slippage of more than ½ point. We have to see potential for 3 points in a trade, We assume there will be a minimum of ½ point slippage in and ½ point slippage out. For short skirt scalps, risk should be three points. The longer you are in a market, the more risk you have. If you have a quick profit, lock it in by tightening your stop loss.

Even if you don’t trade every day, it is never a waste because you learn the patterns and are constantly training your eye. If you don’t see the trade don’t take it. We are trying to teach you to see these things for yourself. If you don’t know what to do with a position you shouldn’t be in it. When in doubt get out. Execution skills count for half the profits, but this is an area that can only improve with experience and practice.

Frequently Asked Questions

Table of Contents

  1. What is a Short Skirt Setup?
  2. How do you enter Short Skirt Trades?
  3. What is a "Grail" Trade?
  4. What is an "Oops" Trade?
  5. What is an "Anti" Setup?
  6. What time frames do you look at?
  7. What are the main indicators you use on your charts?
  8. What is the 20-period EMA?
  9. What is the "Breakout Mode"?
  10. How do you measure market breadth, put call ratio, and volume?
  11. How do you watch so many markets?
  12. Why do you look at so many stocks when you aren't trading them?
  13. What size account is appropriate to trade?
  14. Please define TICK, TIKI, TRIN, VIX.
  15. What data feed and software programs do you use?

What is a Short Skirt Setup?

A SHORT SKIRT trade is a very quick scalp off the 1-minute chart in the SPs. A setup will occur after the SP has made a sharp "impulse" move. The setup pattern most often looks like a continuation flag, following this sharp initial thrust. It is called a "Short Skirt" because the trade usually lasts between 3 – 10 minutes. The concept is quick in and out without getting caught.

We can point out ahead of time when a Short Skirt setup will occur. However, you will be most profitable if you can start to train your eye to see these patterns as they occur. You will then do best if you decide to enter them on your own instead of waiting for us to say we are taking the trade. Sometimes the window of entry can be quite small, and if you wait until we say we have entered the position, the entry window might have passed. Know how much of a delay there is in your own data feed. Some feeds can get a bit backed up in the first half-hour.

We try to look for Short Skirt setups that have the potential for a minimum of three points in the trade.

We always assume that we will have at LEAST a minimum of ½ point slippage in and ½ point slippage out. We put a resting STOP order 3 points from our entry price. We look to exit as the market makes a retest in the direction of the trend. The majority of the time the market will go on to make a new high or low. When it does so, we say that the Short Skirt has reached it’s objective.

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How do you enter Short Skirt Trades?

We watch for a price retracement of 1 ½ to 3 points from the most recently formed swing high or low. For an untrained eye, it may be useful to watch the 20-period exponential moving average on a 1-minute chart, though the price does not always retrace that far. Sometimes the reactions that go sideways instead of back to the EMA can be the best trades. The initial price retracement lasts about 5 minutes. When the reaction back starts to stall, we enter our order "at the market". It is ideal to enter

The trade BEFORE the price starts moving back in the direction of the original trend. You are never going to get the high or the low of the price retracement. The idea is to enter within a general range where the initial 3-point stop will not get hit.

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What is a "Grail" Trade?
The "Holy Grail" trade was originally described in my Street Smarts book. The setup occurs when the market’s trend has been strong enough to cause a 14-period ADX to rise above 30. When the price then retraces back to the 20-period EMA, odds favor a retest of the most recently formed high or low.
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What is an "Oops" Trade?
"Oops" is an expression originally coined by Larry Williams. The setup occurs when the opening price gaps outside the previous day’s range. A buy (or sell) stop is placed just inside the previous day’s range in case the market then closes the gap, indicating a reversal. The trade is exited by the close. This pattern has no long term forecasting value.
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What is an "Anti" Setup?
The Anti looks like a small bull or bear flag pattern that occurs in the middle of a trading range as opposed to a trending market which has already broken out. Another way of thinking about it is to look at it as the middle retracement of an A-B-C pattern.
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What time frames do you look at?
Our initial nightly analysis is always done off the daily and weekly time frames. During the trading day, we look at the 30, 60 and 120 minute charts in combination with each other. For the SP’s, we also look at a 1, 5, and 15 minute time frame.
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What are the main indicators you use on your charts?
We use the same indicators on all markets, all time frames. We use a 20-period EMA (exponential moving average), a price oscillator, and a 14-period ADX. The oscillator that we use is the difference between a 3 and 10 period simple moving average. We also run a 16-period simple moving average of the 3/10 on top of it. We rely quite heavily on bar chart patterns, and have found that most traders do best when they can read bar charts without the use of indicators based on a derivative of the price.
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What is the 20-period EMA?
When we refer to the EMA, we will always be referring to a 20-period exponential moving average. This serves as a "regression to the mean" in a trending market. It has little value in a trading range market.
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What is the "Breakout Mode"?
We use a "breakout" mode strategy when the market has had some form of range contraction.  A trend day, or large range expansion day, often follows periods of range contraction, or small average daily ranges.  We use a strategies to try to enter IN the direction the market is moving, instead of a counter-trend strategy.
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How do you measure market breadth, put call ratio, and volume?
Market breadth is monitored by looking at the number of advancing issues minus the number of declining issues. Put call data is provided by the individual exchanges. We look at the equity only put call ratios, in addition to the put call ratios which include index option volume.
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How do you watch so many markets?
The majority of the time, we watch a quote board which gives us last price instead of watching charts on each individual market. This way we can monitor numerous price levels in addition to various market indexes and market internal indicator. If we want to look at the charts on a particular market, we pull up a screen that has the 30, 60 and 120-minute time frames. The SP’s and occasionally the bonds are the only markets we consider worthwhile to day-trade. Most other positions are entered with the intent of carrying a winning position over night.
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Why do you look at so many stocks when you aren't trading them?
Stocks that are market leaders can often turn before the stock index futures do, especially when they are higher beta momentum stocks. Monitoring individual sectors and relative strength can add valuable information regarding the overall technical condition of the market.
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What size account is appropriate to trade?
We fell that it is up to each individual to assess their overall risk profile and know their individual net worth before determining proper account size. Our service is for educational purposes and can provide a valuable educational forum regardless of account size. However, as a general guideline, it is possible to trade the SP E-mini contract with $5,000. It is advisable to have a minimum account size of $20,000 before trading a SP futures contract. We feel that keeping leverage low is a key to good money management.
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Please define TICK, TIKI, TRIN, VIX.
    Tick: This is the net change on stocks on an uptick minus stocks on a downtick. +/- 1,000 ticks tend to be an extreme readings.
    Tiki: This is the difference between all DOW stocks on an uptick minus all DOW stocks on a downtick.  Plus 24 or minus 24 tend to be extreme readings.
    Trin: This should technically be known as the ARMS Index after it's creator, Dick Arms. It is computed as follows: (Advancing Issues/Declining Issues) x (Up Volume/Down Volume).  We watch the direction this Indicator is moving to indicate the overall trend of the market.  If the Trin goes from .80 to 1.00, it would indicate selling is coming into the market.
    Vix: This is the Volatility Index that represents the implied levels on the at the money OEX puts and calls
Most data feeds transmit the above indicators.  However, different data feeds may use different symbols.  If you have any questions regarding symbol code, please contact your data vendor.
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What data feed and software programs do you use?
Data feeds*
    SP Comstock (800) 431-2602 via Satellite
   ESignal (800) 815-8256 via Internet
Software Programs*:
   Aspen Graphics (800) 359-1121
   TradeStation Technologies (Formerly Omega Research) (800) 422-8587
   Insight by Bristol Financial (949) 240-0990 (Insight specializes in analytics on equities and is used by many stock day-traders ) 
   Neovest First Alert (800) 859-9718
*We do not have any commercial or monetary affiliation with any vendor or software products
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CHAT PAGE PROTOCOL

Please DO NOT  private us during the morning, and  when the markets are active.  This way we can give full attention to the markets at hand.

We try to schedule classes twice a month. If you have technical questions that can wait until a scheduled class, please write them down and post them to us then . 

We request that you do not ask any questions during the morning. The best avenue for us is if you e-mail any questions to us and we answer them after the market is closed.

Please do not ask us about our account size or trading size. These matters are totally irrelevant to your own trading. We work hard to look for setups in markets that can accommodate size. We consider liquidity conditions to be one of the more important issues in trade execution.

Please do not ask us questions about why we do or do not take a trade.

Please do not ask for consultation on an individual trade.

For Market related questions or comments email us at: techlbrgroup@adelphia.net
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Disclosure Statement:

*THE RISK OF LOSS IN TRADING COMMODITIES CAN BE SUBSTANTIAL, YOU SHOULD THEREFORE CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHETHER SUCH TRADING IS SUITABLE FOR YOU IN LIGHT OF YOUR FINANCIAL CONDITION.

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