President George W Bush has said he will carry on trying to make homosexual marriages illegal in the US after a constitutional amendment on the issue was defeated by the Senate.
The Republican proposal failed to gain the support of the 60 senators it needed to progress to the next stage.
Mr Bush is seeking to change the US constitution to specify that marriage can only take place between a man and a woman.
So far 38 US states have banned homosexual marriage, but lawsuits in Florida, Nebraska, New Jersey and Oregon are seeking to have it ruled legal.
Republicans have vowed to fight on but the measure is now unlikely to be passed before the November elections.
Should same sex marriages be made legal?
This debate is now closed. Thank you for your comments.
The following comments reflect the balance of opinion we received:
This is an absurd argument. With all the pressures and problems that the US
government faces regarding the conflict in Iraq, the state of the economy and
the ever widening gap between rich and poor, that the President of the United
States makes the issue of same sex marriages seem like it is the most important
issue facing contemporary American politics today, is ridiculous. Bush should
actually abandon attempts to make homosexual marriages illegal, and treat it as
a matter of human rights - that way he may even get some crucial support from
the growing importance of the Gay lobby, as in this election year he needs all
the support that he can get.
Phillip Wedgwood Brand, London, England.
Marriage and religion are not the same thing
Anon, UK |
I wish to take a tantric stance. In India we believe in reincarnation. Our
desires in our previous life lead to rebirth. Very often persons attached to
each other in their previous life are reborn in a variety of ways. This leads to
things like homosexuality, lesbianism, incest etc. There is no moral issue
involved. I think there are legal and tax issues!
H.Gopalkrishna
Gadiyar, Chennai India
Same sex marriages should not be made legal because they are unnatural as
they do not produce kids.
Velempini Ndlovu, Bulawayo, Zimbabwe
The argument that same sex marriages should not be made legal "because they
do not produce kids" is ridiculous. Should heterosexual couples over 50 not be
allowed to marry as they cannot produce kids either? If two people love each
other and want to unite their destinies, then it is a beautiful thing which
should be celebrated. Whether it is called "marriage" or "life pact" does not
matter.
Gilda Maurice, London, UK
This will do nothing to help those who cannot
form healthy heterosexual relationships
Michael, York, UK |
The argument that same-sex unions undermine marriage is cherry picking the
bits it wants to see. What really undermines marriage is people who don't
understand the implications fully, who become absent parents and have affairs
all over the shop.
Wendy, UK
No, I think it is a bad idea. Our society is based on opposite sex marriage.
To make such a radical change in society without fully examining the impact of
such a change is unscientific and unethical.
John, Canada
I cannot believe that same-sex marriages are even being considered due to the
legal ramifications that may come after it. If the definition of marriage is not
limited to one man and woman, wouldn't polygamists logically be the next to
challenge the law? At one point do we draw the line - and what justifies that
line?
Curtis, Greenville, USA
One good policy out of a million cannot be bad. Stick with it George. Man +
woman = marriage.
MS, London
It is ridiculous to say lawmakers can
'legalise' what is not theirs to decide
Geoff, Portsmouth |
To Geoff in Portsmouth: Civil marriages do not recognise God so that argument
is rather limp. As a male, heterosexual, born again, married father and
Evangelical Christian, I have nothing but respect for my gay/lesbian friends and
if they wish to marry, I'm all for it. We're not all religious bigots.
Kenneth, Rosyth, Scotland
When I moved to Virginia in 1967 it was illegal for two people of different
"races" to marry. The same arguments ie "it's unnatural, against God's law, will
undermine the sanctity of marriage" etc are being used against same-sex marriage
and are equally unfounded, mean-spirited and just plain stupid.
Andrew, Virginia, USA
We have too many problems in the world as a result of dysfunctional families,
we don't need more by legalising same-sex marriage. Let me ask the question,
when are we going to stop all these?. Is it when we start having Man + Dog
marriages?
Niyi Adeyemi, Canada
Personal discomfort is not a reason to write laws forbidding something that
hurts no one else. In fact, promoting marriage makes society more stable as the
Republicans are always telling us - except, mysteriously, in this context.
Martha, Waterford VA USA
There is homosexuality throughout nature
Rick, Virginia |
This is not a federal issue. Bush knows it and is playing politics while
ignoring real issues.
David Sexton, Naples, FL
If gay marriage is OK, then why can't I marry my cousin, or my sister, or my
cat? Don't I have the same rights as gays or are they now above the rest of us??
Don't forget that the law is specific on this. It was created to keep the fabric
of society together. Marriage in the pure sense is for a man and a woman, so
when they have children, they can raise them balanced, with a man and woman's
influence. Not all of one or all of the other. It's asking for trouble a
generation or two down the road.
Robitn Thompson, Odessa, Florida USA
Life is sweet and small. The rest is just talking. Let everyone live.
Dimitris Ouzounidis, Thessaloniki, Greece
I find it incredible that so many people are so prejudiced against same-sex
relationships. Who is to say who we fall in love with and who we should spend
the rest of our lives with? It is about time we moved with the times, after all
we are living in the 21st century!
Julie, London
The real threat to marriage is the alarmingly
high divorce rate Travis, Maine |
While I believe that marriage is a sacred union between man and woman, I also
believe that our country was founded on the principal that everybody has the
right to the pursuit of happiness. And if a man marrying a man or a woman
marrying a woman makes them happy then I think it's okay. I do not believe it
affects anyone negatively. Love is love. The real threat to marriage is the
alarmingly high divorce rate.
Travis, Maine, USA
I'm fed up with the constant attempt to normalise homosexuality. It isn't
normal! But then it doesn't do any harm, and people should be free to live their
lives the way they want to. As for marriage, it was clearly intended for the
union of heterosexual couples. If couples are disadvantaged by not being
married, fix the laws so that they aren't. It's as much of a problem for
heterosexuals as homosexuals.
Chris, Weybridge, UK
Let no man split asunder what god has made, marriage between a man and a
woman is one of the holy symbols that the Christian church has brought into this
world, let us respect it and hold it , not be-smirch yet another symbol for
political correctness.
Bruce, Derby, England
Gay marriages should not be legal. It is even absurd to consider it to be
legal. It is totally wrong.
Shirley Tidwell, McDonough, GA
Ask yourself if gays can damage the sanctity of marriage anymore than
heterosexuals have already done?
Kevin, Peterborough, England
Don't citizens of the USA recognise the separation of church and state? If so
then surely biblical quotes or any arguments that invoke a particular god have
no bearing on the constitution? As to arguments that seek bar same-sex unions on
the basis of their supposed unnaturalness - what moral priority does the natural
have over the unnatural? States should simply allow people to live in the way of
their choosing.
Mark, Swindon, UK
Why break God's law by allowing gay marriage?
Darara, India |
Is it sacred if gay marriage is allowed? Then why did God create Eve for
Adam? Why break God's law by allowing gay marriage? As far as I am concerned I'm
against gay marriage.
Darara, India (Ethiopian)
Marriage is also a legal joining of two individuals. People who are not
religious choose to get married in a registry office and not in church. Marriage
shows the strongest commitment you can make to one another. I fail to see what
God has to do with this? Marriage in this instance is not religious, but a legal
joining. Getting married is the ultimate way of showing your love and commitment
to your partner, so why should gay people be deprived of this right? Who are we
to sit and judge anyway? Same sex marriages should be legalised as soon as
possible, we are clearly living in a backward society which is yet to embrace
what society wanted 10 years ago.
Sarah, Surrey, UK
God is watching us just like Sodom and
Gomorrah Kenneth, Awka |
In the beginning God made man and woman and anything contrary to this
naturally legalised institution is an incursion to God's will and also making a
fool of him. Let's save our world and our society against unforeseen tragedy
that will strike this nation again. God is watching us just like Sodom and
Gomorrah.
Kenneth, Awka, Nigeria
But marriage is between a man and a woman. The right uses the word marriage
because it means between a man and a woman - and they misapply it to gay couples
who are never a man and a woman. This is divisive and draws attention away from
the idea of civil union (which is what all marriages are) which should be
available to all gays, myself included. I have not yet heard a reason why this
is bad that is not based on bigotry. Don't let the right win by letting it abuse
the word marriage.
Martin, London
No one should be denied the right to marry. And in my opinion, we need to
encourage as much love as possible in the world right now, to hopefully reduce
the never-ending hate we see so much of.
Sarah Hutchings, Madrid,
Spain
Of course it should be made legal, they should have exactly the same rights
as everyone else, and after all they are human. And personally I don't think God
would mind as long as they loved and were true to each other.
Conor
Buggy, Dublin
Absolutely not. They are not just looking for a union; they want insurance,
tax breaks, and the recognition that goes with acceptable behaviour. If nature
wanted same-sex people to live together, there would only be one sex rather than
different sexes.
David, Emporia, KS, USA
Marriage has been the bedrock of our society; recently Governments have
devalued the institution of marriage. We see the results, more broken marriages,
more social problems. Marriage is for man and woman, not same sex couples. I
don't give a fig what these people do in the privacy of their homes but I really
object to having their rights thrown into my face.
Mike, Hove
Gay marriage should never be an issue! The Gay lifestyle is not for me.
However, when my county, and I am a veteran, wants to remove rights from our
citizens because of a religious issue, it makes me boil!
Dan Fox,
Austell, GA
People originally came to what is now the United States to escape religious
persecution, it appears we have failed. If a man and a woman want to get
married, so be it. If a man and a man or a woman and a woman want to get
married, they too, should have that choice. What is right for George Bush is not
right for all.
Sherrie, Sullivan, USA
If people find gay relationships contrary to their religion, it is up to them
to refrain. Those who do not share their religious opinions should be free to
make their own choice on this as on other issues.
David Anderson,
Wakefield, West Yorkshire
There used to be laws prohibiting interracial marriages, but we grew out of
that ignorance - we'll get over this prejudice too. Love conquers all, after
all.
Anut, Troutdale USA
If love exists it should be nurtured and
accepted by all John, UK |
There is no such thing as a same sex marriage. Marriage is between man and
woman only. If a union between same sexes is wanted, call it something else and
do not force the church to acknowledge it.
Tim, Leic, UK
Marriage is not a union of two people in "the eyes of god" unless you happen
to believe in God. As far as I'm aware Hindus and Buddhists are quite capable of
getting married without being "seen" by any supreme monotheistic deity. Marriage
is as much a legal union as a religious one, if a catholic vicar wants to refuse
to marry a homosexual couple so be it, but for the state to refuse is totally
different matter. Maybe George Bush should start seeing the phrase "Land of the
Free" as something the US should be living up to, rather than just a slogan to
throw around in speeches.
Tom, London, UK
It goes against the laws of the land that have been used for hundreds of
years and were based on the basis of the commandments. Governments should be
trying to fight the cause of homosexuality rather than encouraging it.
Robert Hoey, Perth, Scotland
We do need laws to protect our young people
from being pressured and converted to gay lifestyles John Holmes, Canada |
As a Muslim I have always been taught that homosexuality is wrong. Most
religions also teach this. However after having a failed arranged marriage, I
have found companionship with another man. Although I wholeheartedly believe in
the Islam, I am torn between these ideals and my own feelings which I feel I
must hide from my family and friends. If a more open attitude was in place for
homosexuals, including marriage type ceremonies, then perhaps people would be
able to not have the conflict between their religion and happiness.
Jamil, Birmingham UK
Newsflash!! God does NOT exist! Saddle yourselves with outdated and
meaningless religious rhetoric by all means, but don't foist it upon the rest of
us here in the real world. What the bible may or may not say on the subject of
homosexuality is utterly irrelevant. There are many practical reasons why gay
marriage should be legal, quite apart from the fact that telling any couple that
they aren't entitled to make a legal lifelong commitment to each other is
divisive and causes distress and anger in society, whilst serving no tangible
purpose.
Chas Knight, Duxford, UK
No never should this happen. It will be the end of everything that is right.
This is what happened to the Roman's. It will be the down fall of mankind. This
is a learned way of life and not good for anybody. These people are sick.
Charles, Houston Texas
It's not something the State should interfere
in or regulate Frank, Kent, UK |
I can understand the religious arguments on this one, it must be up to an
individual faith whether it allows gay marriages to take place in its place of
worship - for example, the RC Church will still not allow a heterosexual couple
to be married if one has previously been divorced. But legal marriage
partnerships is a different issue, why should gay couples be excluded from the
automatic legal rights that marriage brings? Bush's intolerance on this and
other issues is deeply worrying.
Ruth, London
A note to everyone who argues this is wrong based on the Bible. America is
not a theocracy, therefore what the Bible says is not relevant to what is legal.
I don't recall the Bible having much to say about owning guns, but that's legal,
while beating your wife and child, which is approved of in the Bible, is a
criminal offence called assault. So religion shouldn't come into it.
Paul Watson, London, UK
Up to a point I can understand the Church wanting to carry on debating
whether the sacrament of Marriage should be open to gays. However, I can see
absolutely no reason, apart from blind prejudice, which prevents two gay people
going through a civil ceremony which will give them the rights and securities
which heterosexual couples enjoy. Until this happens, we cannot say that we
regard gays as equal within our society, because they are not - they are still
discriminated against.
Sheila, UK
My love for my partner is no less or more
valid than a heterosexual for their partner
Peter, Manchester |
As a gay man I wonder why my tax is good enough to pay for self-righteous
bigots to educate their children while my rights as a human being are ignored.
My love for my partner is no less or more valid than a heterosexual for their
partner. The point has been argued before that heterosexuals who cannot have
children can marry. Let's put the bible down because it's a 2,000 year old book
of contradictions and is now ineffective as a weapon. A proper rational argument
would be welcome.
Peter, Manchester, England
Marriage is just the recognition by state and society of a commitment of two
persons. In the United States there are over 1,000 rights, privileges and
responsibilities given to those who make a public declaration of their
commitment to each other. Why should the sex of the couple even enter into it?
Michael Wengert, Seoul, Korea
Marriage is a sign of commitment and love. If two men or two women want to
show that commitment, how does that destroy or damage the ideals of marriage. In
my view, it clearly demonstrates it. Aren't we living in an age which respects
the individual's right to choose? Isn't America supposed to be the land of the
free? Oh, the irony! I also find it ironic that a world can find no one to blame
and accepts by starting and unjust war which is still killing hundreds of
people, but can find something which is nothing more than an act of love
unacceptable. What does that say about us as a species?
Neil,
Edinburgh
This is not what we were made to do when we were created!
Tony
Humphreys, UK
No, because it is unnatural, uncouth and immoral. As much as the government
should not interfere in people's lives, it has a right to lay the ground rules.
That's why I support President Bush.
Kariuki HK, Chester, UK
As a man, I feel that my rights should be as equal to any other's. As a gay
man, I feel my rights should be as equal to any other man's, be he homosexual,
heterosexual or asexual. If another man has the right to marry the person of his
choosing, and enjoy the financial privileges involved (marriage was after all
initiated not as the basis of Christian society but as a bedrock for social
economics) then so should I. However, I do not see that marriage is the right
way for gay men. But that would be my choice and I do not see that others have
the right to bar me from making that choice.
Dan Bidewell, London
So long as no laws are broken, no-one is hurt and all participants are happy,
then people should be allowed to do and live as they wish. Of course same sex
couples should be allowed to prove their love and commitment. Just don't tell me
it's normal.... because it isn't.
Jez, UK
This makes me glad to live in the UK. As a gay man I am glad that the law
here is to change to allow same-sex couples partnership rights, a civil ceremony
to celebrate this partnership and make it official. I personally have no
religious beliefs and therefore couldn't care less what the Bible allegedly says
about people of the same sex being together! Let the religious types keep their
sacred ceremonies and let the rest of us get on with our own lives without
interference.
Chris Malpas, London UK
Yes. When Aids and other sexually transmitted diseases are ever more common,
I cannot understand how encouraging faithful and monogamous relationships is a
bad thing.
Mike, London, UK
There is so much ignorance in the world, attitudes are changing and times are
moving on. What is wrong with two people of the same sex wishing to spend the
rest of their lives together and wanting a stronger commitment to each other? I
say, let people live how they so wish and if they want to make a matrimonial
commitment to each other, go for it and all the best!
Kaz, Manchester,
UK
Same-sex unions harm no one; one's support or
opposition to this is a matter of personal belief and morality Stephen, England |
Homosexuals are accepted into society along with voting and adopting kids. I
feel what ever a person chooses to do with their personal lives is none of our
business just as along as it is not forced on us. This is more of a religious
debate then a political one.
Marie, USA
I have nothing against gay people and believe that they should be free to
live together but marriage should be kept out of it.
Oscar Embola,
Yaounde, Cameroon
In the beginning God created man and then he said he shouldn't be alone, so
he created a woman to help the man. And so if that was God's creation it is not
proper for same sex to marry, it is breaking what God made and did.
Annette Kaonga, Blantyre, Malawi
God created Adam and Eve, I find no statements in Genesis about Adam and
Steve.
Anon
This has to be another Bush smokescreen for his deplorable record as a
president. The economy is in the tank, troops are dying daily in Iraq and all he
can think muster is a stink on same-sex marriages? My lover and I are both US
citizens and will be the first US gay couple to be wed under the Belgian same
sex marriage law which allows 'habituelle' residents to marry. In the end, it's
really no-one's business how we keep a household or how we pursue happiness,
especially the president of the US.
Rocko, Bruxelles, Belgium
Men and women all over the world are trying to hold off marriage as long as
possible these days. Homosexual couples are desperate for it. Why shouldn't they
be allowed to show their commitment to each other if they want to.
Nigel, Fujisawa, Japan
I believe same sex marriages should be made legal. People should be permitted
to do whatever they choose until their actions infringe on the rights of others.
Whom my neighbour chooses to love concerns no-one but the involved parties and
contrary to what some may believe, the legalisation of same sex marriages is not
one of the seven signs of the Apocalypse.
John Scheuvront, Knoxville,
TN, USA
When I got married to a woman, I was unable to father children. According to
Velempini, my marrage was unnatural as well. Marriage is about commitment, not
breeding
Pixie, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
To Velempini Ndlovu, Bulawayo: I am infertile. Does that mean I should not be
allowed to marry my partner as it would be unnatural because I cannot produce
children?
Ashley Woo, UK
Gay men and lesbians are just as human and have the same needs and desires as
heterosexual human beings. They make just as good parents (maybe better than
some heteros) and are just as responsible in their daily lives as heteros. To
change the US Constitution to forbid them to marry is to take away their
constitutional rights. To deny them their rights is totally unacceptable. A few
very ignorant and narrow thinking religious fundamentalists most certainly do
not speak for the majority. These free wheeling judges and lawyers the religious
fundamentalists speak of are merely guaranteeing that everyone is equal under
the law and has the same rights.
Jim Jensen, Philippines/USA