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Re: Sling for RWS-52


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Msg. 277288  Posted by Costas on August 20, 2000 at 07:00:19:

In Reply to: Sling for RWS-52 posted by Bob Miller on August 20, 2000 at 01:02:27:

You don't need to use a barrel band.
Since the stock extends to the front of the rifle, it is very easy to use two identical sling swivels, like the one that you would use for the rear.
You need to drill the stock very carefully with a power drill of a smaller size than the screw size, and then thread carefully the wood screw in the hole. If you know what you are doing, it is very easy and fast.

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New F.T. macths for OKLAHOMA airguners....


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Msg. 277286  Posted by cody on August 20, 2000 at 06:34:18:

I just found out about some new macths and wanted to past the word.
On the 4th Sunday of each month they have an informal Field target macth @1:00pm
Oil Capital Rod & gun Club Broken Arrow, OK out side of Tulsa,Ok. For more info
contact.....bob..orlower case mkauskey@swbell.net..or me..e-mail address in post.
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Agree, but I think he was talking about....


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Msg. 277285  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 20, 2000 at 05:56:11:

In Reply to: First of all, no animals are defenseless; they'd be dead already, but... posted by Eric P. on August 20, 2000 at 05:24:05:

.....those "where can I the best 1,000 fps airgun?" guys who seem to have less interest in collecting, shooting, science and mechanics of airguns than they do in just blowing stuff away.

I used to be a hunting guy but have recently found 10M pistol shooting to be alot more challenging and fun personally. I know that hunting and killing are different things and some species need to be controlled but that's been covered...
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Can't? Can't we all just get along????????nt


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Msg. 277284  Posted by Rodney King on August 20, 2000 at 05:50:36:

In Reply to: A time for peace? posted by BDG on August 19, 2000 at 12:17:37:

nt
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Hey Canadians here....


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Msg. 277283  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 20, 2000 at 05:45:26:

...do any of you know what the current regulations (if any) are in Canada regarding the importing and ownership of swords and daggers? I have a friend who is interested in swords but does not have internet access, thanks!
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Re: Walther PPK/S


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Msg. 277282  Posted by evil_guy on August 20, 2000 at 05:44:21:

In Reply to: Walther PPK/S posted by john from NY on August 20, 2000 at 00:01:04:

I have had my PPK/S for nearly half a year now. The slide stops cycling some time before the co2 has finished. The mechanism which keeps the slide cocked once the magazine is empty fails. It's just a fun gun to shoot nothing more. Rapid fire uses up the gas quickly and u may only get 30 shots with a full co2 capsule.Take your time and you can get about 80 blow back shots whith anther 20 if you cock it manualy. The power this gun has is little over a one of those plastic bb toys. But still, i love this gun and its great for shooting pop cans at 10ft. If it's just a fun gun you want then the ppk/s is perfect.
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GARY PAOLELLA please read!


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Msg. 277281  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 20, 2000 at 05:42:47:

I tried e-mailing you a few times but always get the "Returned mail administrator" thing. Did you change your e-mail address?

Anyways, the m/o for the 777 grips was sent a few days ago and you can expect it to arrive around a week from now.

Thanks,

Fearon N. Steele
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Why I became a lying lecher


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Msg. 277280  Posted by bill clinton on August 20, 2000 at 05:40:56:

In Reply to: Re: Why I became a machinist posted by Mike Cooper on August 19, 2000 at 19:57:12:

The foolish American voter allowed me to do so.
yuck, yuck, yuck. Vote for my guy algore & my
semi-beautiful squeeze hillary.
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I can agree with your basic premise however some species need thinning such as starlings which kill other birds


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Msg. 277279  Posted by Icon on August 20, 2000 at 05:30:26:

In Reply to: Why do People shoot DEFENCELESS animals and enjoy it? posted by Tyler on August 20, 2000 at 03:44:42:

grackels, much the same as starlings, rats & mice
obvious. For some rabbits and squirels have overproduced due to lack of predators. The shooting of birds of prey or pretty much anything
that culls naturally should'nt be killed. There are also too many pidgeons.
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First of all, no animals are defenseless; they'd be dead already, but...


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Msg. 277278  Posted by Eric P. on August 20, 2000 at 05:24:05:

In Reply to: Why do People shoot DEFENCELESS animals and enjoy it? posted by Tyler on August 20, 2000 at 03:44:42:

you shouldn't run around shooting songbirds. It's unethical, as well as illegal. We shoot raccoons, rabbits, and such though. They are pests/vermin. And properly prepared rabbits taste quite good too.
Our PCP airguns are much more powerful than any .177 or .22 walmart airguns you may be familiar with. A couple are also more powerful than some of their firearm counterparts. There is no suffering with a well-placed 9mm pellet from a career to the head of a raccoon. Your reasoning (no offence) sounds much like them animal rights groups. If I were an animal, I think I WOULD rather die by being shot. There is nothing magical or beautiful about a natural death. Eaten alive by a predator, starvation, destroyed from the inside by parasites, are slow and not a very fun way to die. But that may be a moot point, as you can't "put yourself in the place of an animal". You are a sentinent, self aware, thinking creature. They are a near mindless animal. Contrary to what seems to be the belief of many suburbanites and urbanites today, an animal is not a human with a different body and habits. Please don't say "innocent and defenseless animals". We are not shooting them as a punishment! And animals are by no means defenseless. They couldn't survive if they were. Nature isn't nice, and don't give a damn if any creature lived or died. Ever seen a squirrel bite open a chipmunks head and gnaw on the bones for calcium? Not nice to look at. Besides, shooting some of those animals does much more good than harm. English sparrows and starlings in particular. They don't belong here, and ruin it for the native birds. It wouldn't matter if they were wiped off north america, they were never supposed to be brought here.
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Re: What is the actual velocity of a Crosman 2240???


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Msg. 277277  Posted by Sammy on August 20, 2000 at 05:21:03:

In Reply to: What is the actual velocity of a Crosman 2240??? posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 20:33:10:

My stock 2240 did around 440 to 455 with CPs. I never really counted the number of shots I got per powerlet.
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Re: Which Adult CO2 automatic airpistol to get?


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Msg. 277276  Posted by TheMatrix on August 20, 2000 at 05:02:44:

In Reply to: Which Adult CO2 automatic airpistol to get? posted by Simon Lee on August 18, 2000 at 15:19:57:

I have a CP-88, CP-88 Competition, and a Crosman C-40.

The CP-88 is nice...its gloss black (AKA blued) and is quite well made.

The CP-88 Competition is obviously a CP-88, but with a extra 2" barrel piece on the front, and it's nickel (AKA silver looking). I dont know about Gamos, and the other guns you listed, but the CP-88s / Competitions are solid metal...no plastics. This makes them heavy, but very durable. They are pretty accurate too. I can hit a dime from about 10-15 yards. However, I plan on buying the dovetail (for a scope..oh how I'd love a scope on a pistol..they look so cool..)and the optional elevation adjustable sight. It's a shame they give you a crappy excuse for a rear sight, without elevation even. All the walthers I've seen load the same - a 8 shot revolver in the middle of the gun, triggered by a little lever on the side...then the barrel pops out an inch, maybe less, and you put the "revolver" in. Nice system...unlike the C-40, where it flys up and the "revolver" gets knocked out.

Crosman C-40
This thing misfires 7 out of 8...you have to do a total takedown of it, reassemble it, and youre good for another 100 shots, then another takedown..and so forth. But, there was a bad lot of them I think, and I got one of the bad ones...so they might work well now...I dunno.

Walther P-99
Here's a nice site about them: http://www.airgunstore.com/PISTOLS/WCP99.HTM
I plan on getting one of these in the near future...they seem nice. I felt one before, but I've forgotten what they feel like since then :).
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Respect , Experience, Rights, Etiquette


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Msg. 277275  Posted by John Sa. on August 20, 2000 at 04:59:37:

In Reply to: Re: only one type of respects not earned : Human respect you give it to man woman or child..the respect i get i earned with my life posted by s[i]lencer on August 19, 2000 at 18:03:32:

What you get from living life is experience. What you get from living a long life is lots of experience. What you get from living a hard life is painful experience. What you deserve for being human is the right to life, liberty and to your pursuit of happiness as long as these things don't unduly impinge on the rights of others as determined by society and the law.
What you get from doing and saying wise things is respect.
Respect is not automatic. I don't respect you because you are human and what's more, you don't deserve respect just for being human--I do however respect your rights, and because it's important to me, not because I think you deserve it, I will treat you with respect until you demonstrate to me that you don't deserve it. That is called etiquette, being polite or whatever you prefer.

I'll go you one farther, I don't respect old people just for being old, again however, I treat them with respect until they show that they don't deserve it. I also give them more benefit of doubt, because I know that, although I may not agree with them or what they do, they've probably seen and done more than I have and likely know more than I do. And, more than that, they have made it past obstacles in life that I haven't. As I learn about them, I may gain respect for them depending upon how they have lived their life.

So, don't spew your noise about how you or your buddy with the cotton and BBs deserves respect. The bottom line is no one deserves respect just because they think they do or because they ask for it. What's more, a person who demonstrates through their actions (particularly against the advice of experienced counsel) that they are not worthy of respect doesn't even warrant polite treatment.

And one more thing--why is it that the people who are so adamant that others should respect them typically demonstrate little or no respect for others.

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Re: Beeman monoblock lever pin-removal...


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Msg. 277273  Posted by Randy Bimrose, BPAR on August 20, 2000 at 04:32:57:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman monoblock lever pin-removal... posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 11:14:58:

use a 1/8" punch with the end rounded to the shape of the recess of the cocking lever pivot pin. With the breech block supported on a 2" wooden block with about a 3/8" drilled thru it, drive the pin out. There is absolutely NO need to drill it at all for there is always the chance of damaging the breech block. Also by not drilling you have about a 50% chance of reusing the pin. If you have any questions please contact me.
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BEWARE!!!


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Msg. 277272  Posted by John Sa. on August 20, 2000 at 04:30:46:

In Reply to: Re: Spouse at the range posted by peter huppertz on August 19, 2000 at 16:25:01:

I took mine shooting a couple of times and now she claims my HK USP in 9mm and my Ruger 10/22 as hers! She also made me get her an RWS C225, a S&W .22 pistol with a laser sight, and a Berretta Model 86. The real problem is that anytime we go to the range I have to clean twice as many guns when we get back.
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Re: Smith Wesson mod 77A repair question...


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Msg. 277271  Posted by Randy Bimrose, BPAR on August 20, 2000 at 04:16:49:

In Reply to: Smith Wesson mod 77A repair question... posted by C Brown on August 19, 2000 at 16:39:07:

Call me @ 909-272-9451 or email me @ rvbimrose@skybiz.com or bblbndr@msn.com
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Why do People shoot DEFENCELESS animals and enjoy it?


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Msg. 277270  Posted by Tyler on August 20, 2000 at 03:44:42:

I can agree with People who hunt rats or other vermin (is that true about starlings?), and I also agree with People who live in the bush and hunt deer or whatever for food. But what I DONT get are people who hunt animals like birds and larger animals like racoons, gophers, squirrels and rabbits and such with pellet guns, just for the hell of it. I have heard alot of hunting stories. Once my friend's dad decided to shoot a ground hog with a .177 air rifle(he was a kid then). He shot it about 20 times and eventually had to just beat it to death with the butt of his gun. Another time a buddy of mine told me he shot a white tail rabbit with his .177 cal gun. He hit it in the back leg and he let the poor thing limp away. He went to shoot it again but it went under a bush and ran off into the forest. Im sure it suffered a long and painful death. Ive heard other stories where the animal was either a Dove or an Oriole or a Song Sparrow or a Blue Jay or even a Red Tailed Hawk I cold go on and on. Every time someone tells me one of these stories I ask them "Why do you shoot those animals for" and I get the same typical response "hey man its only a little animal, WHO CARES" . Well for your information I DO!!!! I am sick of people roaming around the woods and shooting anything that moves just for the hell of it. Shooting these animals with pellet guns causes undue suffering and is just DUMB I wouldnt endorse it even if they used real guns. There are enough Extinct, Endangered or Threatend animals out there, we dont have to make it worse. Shooting animals like these, with guns like these is just pointless and causes suffering to the animal. The next time one of you is out there looking down the barrel of a gun at a helpless creature, put yourself in its place and think about it. Im sure you wouldnt want to get shot? would you? The next time I see one more IDIOT doing this I just might be tempted to come to the animals defence and get my own .22 air rifle and take a few pot shots at the person thats doing this!!! But I will not lower my self to that level and I am not that cruel! So PLEASE stop shooting innocent and defenceless animals . It does more harm than good! Anyway thats just my two cents on this Issue...thanks for reading it Tyler
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Part of that movie was filmed in my home town!!!!


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Msg. 277269  Posted by Tyler on August 20, 2000 at 02:55:27:

In Reply to: You'll shoot your eye out kid! posted by trevor on August 19, 2000 at 07:39:24:

The school in the movie "A Christmas Story" that Ralphie and friends go to is actually Victoria Elementary School in St Catherines Ontario. Just thought id' mention it. I was surprised someone actually mentioned that. A similar expierence happened to me except it happened with a Crossman .22 Lucky for me it hit me above the eye! It left a red mark for a week! I told my mom i fell and hit my head.
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Re: Smells Like An Airsoft Gun To Me


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Msg. 277268  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 20, 2000 at 02:44:02:

In Reply to: Smells Like An Airsoft Gun To Me posted by Slug on August 19, 2000 at 05:50:02:

In these Airsoft type airguns, the BB's are reusable.

Chris
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What kind of sicko would want to kill a frog?


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Msg. 277267  Posted by Tyler on August 20, 2000 at 02:36:12:

In Reply to: Airshot gun/pistols posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:35:39:

Frogs have been on the decline lately and there beneficial, eating pesky flys and mosquitoes and such. So if you see one just let it be. Put yourself in the frogs place!!!!!!

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Re: The Battle of the Birdfeeder


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Msg. 277266  Posted by Eric P. on August 20, 2000 at 02:17:52:

In Reply to: The Battle of the Birdfeeder posted by Zero on August 19, 2000 at 21:57:50:

>I've killed two of the squirrels (out of nine, I think) by pouncing on them with my katana.

It's not one of those horrible stainless steel "swords" you can get for under $100 right? If so, be careful if you plan to use it anymore; those things are built real cheap(IMO, stainless steel shouldn't be used on any blade over 20", just too weak). I've had a friend nearly lose an eye when one of them broke trying to cut a tree branch.
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Reflex vs not.


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Msg. 277265  Posted by John Sa. on August 20, 2000 at 01:19:15:

In Reply to: Something I've mentioned in a similar thread before ... posted by bcd on August 19, 2000 at 00:34:40:

Running after losing one's brain qualifies as a reflex, or, more accurately as a string of reflexes. This effect usually occurs when the brain is severed from the muscle system leaving the muscles only reflexes as a method of movement.

The thrashing effect is a result of scrambling a brain still attached to the motor nerves.
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R9 vs R11


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Msg. 277264  Posted by AC on August 20, 2000 at 01:18:18:

Is it fair to say that the R11 is essentially an R9 with a more expensive stock, or are there more fundamental differences between the two to justify the additional $250 one must pay for the R11?
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Re: Help with HW-97 problem - problem resolved!


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Msg. 277263  Posted by Mike in Indy on August 20, 2000 at 01:17:00:

In Reply to: Help with HW-97 problem - any gunsmiths? posted by Mike in Indy on August 18, 2000 at 12:37:31:

I took another look down the muzzel and by probing with a fine piece of wire discovered there a space beyond the end of the barrel where the muzzel brake fits over it. The brake is milled out to fit over the outside of the barrel and apparantly doesn't fit snugly against the end of barrel. Probing with the wire indicates there is about 5/8th of an inch gap between the barrel end and the shoulder where the brake is milled out. The "thicknes" of this gap must be the same as the thickness of the barrel. There was a lot of junk collected in that opening, including a half-moon shaped piece of lead that must be part of a pellet skirt.

My Zip Kit cleaning wire has a slight curl at the end and that caused it to curl into this gap and hit the shoulder on the muzzel brake. I cleaned the gun out and all seems well.

My question now is there supposed to be this space inside the muzzel brake, or is it not fitted properly on my gun?

Has anyone out there ever looked carefully into the muzzel of a gun with a muzzel brake on it??

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Woodpeckers and Starlings.


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Msg. 277262  Posted by John Sa. on August 20, 2000 at 01:12:39:

In Reply to: Starlings = Primary Target posted by Steve forbes on August 18, 2000 at 23:39:09:

I've posted this before, but it's been awhile. A few (OK, a lot of) years back when I was a pup, we had a couple of downy woodpeckers nest in the dying ash tree in our back yard. They got the nest hole made and some eggs laid before the starlings found it. I killed the first pair of starlings but not before they pushed out the eggs. The woodpeckers moved back in and laid another set of eggs and another starling pair destroyed the eggs before I got them with the same 1377. We kept watch as much as we could, my mom even killed one starling when I was out of the house. There just wasn't any way to keep them away long enough for the woodpeckers to raise a brood--they finally gave up and left.
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Re: Oh i think i understand,thanks to all for your feedback.


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Msg. 277261  Posted by Greg S on August 20, 2000 at 01:04:14:

In Reply to: Re: I just mean the magnification seems high posted by Art on August 19, 2000 at 21:12:02:

So it doesn't all have to do with the power of your rifle.Im new to this stuff,when i get my scope ill probably have more questions.Ive had a scope in the past a fixed variable just more less aimed and shot.
thanks again
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Sling for RWS-52


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Msg. 277260  Posted by Bob Miller on August 20, 2000 at 01:02:27:

I have a RWS-54 and 52. They are so heavy to hunt with. I want to put a sling on them. Would a barrel band work ok or would it put stress on the barrel or affect accuracy.
These guns shoot very good but you need a dolly to push them around on.
Bob
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All subs are not as good or more expensive.


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Msg. 277259  Posted by John Sa. on August 20, 2000 at 01:01:29:

In Reply to: What is a good ballistic putty substitute for a pellet trap? (nt) posted by dscott on August 19, 2000 at 23:34:12:

Get the real stuff. It's available at Lowe's or Home Depot. It's called Electrical Duct Seal. If you get any of the other stuff, you will spend a lot of time tending to it. This stuff lets you shoot instead of work on your target.
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Please Help!


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Msg. 277258  Posted by Vlad B on August 20, 2000 at 00:52:49:

My son accidently pulled the trigger while cocking an IZH-61. The cocking lever stocked in the middle and wouldn't cock
further. What should I do to cock or uncock the rifle? Thanks.
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Re: How have you liked your tanker? (nt)


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Msg. 277257  Posted by AC on August 20, 2000 at 00:49:50:

In Reply to: Tanker / charging yoke...best price found? posted by Alan in GA on August 19, 2000 at 07:43:07:

Sorry I don't have an answer for you, but I'd be curious to know how you like your tanker. I had considered buying a Career 707 and was intrigued with the tanker idea.

AC
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" Tarantula Karbine " nt


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Msg. 277256  Posted by ~shabang~ on August 20, 2000 at 00:49:31:

In Reply to: R9 Tk question posted by AC on August 20, 2000 at 00:44:11:

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R9 Tk question


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Msg. 277255  Posted by AC on August 20, 2000 at 00:44:11:

Jim Macarri has an R9 Tk with a bull barrel on sale. I've not seen the Tk designation before and was wondering what it meant. Was also wondering what a bull barrel was.

Thanks, AC
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Re: Spouse in the house


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Msg. 277254  Posted by RBest on August 20, 2000 at 00:37:11:

In Reply to: Re: Spouse in the house posted by The Checkbook on August 19, 2000 at 23:32:15:

I went thru that phase with my wife too! Luckily, some of her purchases turned out to have very good value- even if they aren't much to look at. RB
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Re: Truth about pellets?


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Msg. 277253  Posted by RBest on August 20, 2000 at 00:31:27:

In Reply to: Truth about pellets? posted by Dave N on August 20, 2000 at 00:18:52:

Dave: Premiers are boxed from the same batch, from identical blanks(weight-wise). The rest of Crosmans pellets (add Benjamin and Sheridan pellets to that)are all mixed from various dies and machines. While Crosmans machinery is quite good, the more commonly found pellets are slightly less precise- pellet to pellet, in ways that arenot necessarily visually detectable. For plinkers, this really doesn't matter. For folks that seek the tightest possible shot to shot consistency; it does. Regards, Russ
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Re: Yes, and I would like one that looks like . . . .


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Msg. 277252  Posted by Art on August 20, 2000 at 00:27:46:

In Reply to: Yes, and I would like one that looks like . . . . posted by Tony Clifton on August 19, 2000 at 15:29:34:

No problem,
Go to the link below. Scroll down to Gatling spud gun and clink on the link to the JPEG image to see it.

Art

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Re: No email address on site! nt


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Msg. 277251  Posted by Lon on August 20, 2000 at 00:22:39:

In Reply to: AirMonkey URL (nt) posted by Jeff on August 20, 2000 at 00:04:51:



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Truth about pellets?


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Msg. 277249  Posted by Dave N on August 20, 2000 at 00:18:52:

Does anyone know the real difference between Crosman Pemere lights, and Benjamin (white tin) Domes in .177?
How about the difference between .177, Crosman Supermatch, and Crosman Wadcutters?
I know what the wrapper says, but they look similar and preform unlike they're supposed to ie. lesser, sometimes, in some of my guns is better???
Perhaps I have some pecular barrels...
Info on these closley related pellets may do us all some good.
Thanks,
Dave N
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While there avoid the yellow snow (nt)


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Msg. 277248  Posted by bearridge on August 20, 2000 at 00:15:57:

In Reply to: Was it Frank Zappa by any chance? LOL posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 20:23:43:


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Re: Priorities!


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Msg. 277247  Posted by RBest on August 20, 2000 at 00:11:22:

In Reply to: Re: Priorities! posted by Jerry Rhodes on August 20, 2000 at 00:02:23:

Jerry; it wasn't RC, but the initials are REAL close ! :<) RB
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Re: Oh and silly me Gary......


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Msg. 277246  Posted by RBest on August 20, 2000 at 00:08:57:

In Reply to: Oh and silly me Gary...... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 19, 2000 at 17:11:54:

Marty: now you just have to get one of those hands free phones ! LOL Russ
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Msg. 277245  Posted by Jeff on August 20, 2000 at 00:04:51:

In Reply to: Airmonkey's email address? posted by Lon on August 19, 2000 at 17:19:30:

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Msg. 277244  Posted by Hawley on August 20, 2000 at 00:03:01:

In Reply to: A point of view from the " modern airgunner " posted by Pel-It on August 19, 2000 at 23:39:48:

Hey, I mean no disrepect to folks like Russ who provide invaluable information to newcomers. That is the best form of evangelism. My problem is being burnt too many times for it to be fun anymore. Most guns i buy are 2K or more. I have absolutely no interest in stock guns. Most custom pieces are BORING, Ouch, sorry Craig but your purchases tend to run the full gamet. Mine are ONLY top end. Yours go the full run. I can not comment on normal guns such as a CRX. We all look from different vantage points. Ask me about a Crossman and I am totally clueless, Now a Steyr might be something that i could comment upon.
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Msg. 277243  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on August 20, 2000 at 00:02:23:

In Reply to: Re: Priorities! posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:53:21:

Russ,

My wife gets EMails from Martha Stewart. From what I understand, she had to move because a middle aged guy in jungle boots carrying a BB gun was pretty much stomping all her shrubbery to death.

Do you know anything about that? Was that RC?

Jerry
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Msg. 277242  Posted by john from NY on August 20, 2000 at 00:01:04:

I might be able to buy a Walther PPK/S for cheap from a friend, and was wondering if anybody has any opinions on it. I heard that sometimes the slide doesn't blow back all the time. Is that true? I know it's not a match pistol or a powerhouse, but that's alright. It looks like it might be a fun gun to have around.

-thanks a lot-
john from NY
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Msg. 277241  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 19, 2000 at 23:56:53:

In Reply to: Re: Hyscore pistol velocity posted by DougWall on August 19, 2000 at 20:46:37:

I hope to have my little Hy-Score booklet together in the next week. I have all the product catalogs, instructions, etc scanned, cleaned up and ready to go. However, I gotten myself wrapped up in it a bit and will also include all the information from the Shooter's Bible. I also plan to include a model check list, and whatever historical information I can put together. Fortunately, Smith did a pretty good job on Hy-Score and I plan to include most of the historical information in a write-up. I only wish that I had some time to really research the company. There has to be somebody in or around Brooklyn with some great info on the company.

The only Hy-score that I have left is a nice model 803 "Sportester" that I took photos with my brand-new Nikon 990. The results of which are now on the cover. Having a digital camera sure makes all the difference when taking those tricky close-ups.
DT Fletcher
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Msg. 277240  Posted by truyen pham on August 19, 2000 at 23:52:43:

In Reply to: QB-1 Info. needed... posted by Josh P. on August 19, 2000 at 22:57:01:

Hi
Does any one know where we can get the QB-1 ??
please advise
thank you
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Msg. 277239  Posted by Ted on August 19, 2000 at 23:49:32:

In Reply to: What is a good ballistic putty substitute for a pellet trap? (nt) posted by dscott on August 19, 2000 at 23:34:12:


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Msg. 277237  Posted by Hawley on August 19, 2000 at 23:44:02:

In Reply to: I'm sorry to see anyone leave a sport that brought them so much joy. I have to work harder against the rage the older I get, too. posted by Lloyd S. on August 19, 2000 at 23:20:08:

I must admit your words have alot of wisdom. Several times over the last 5 years or so I have been totally disgusted with people associated with airguns. I decided to chuck it all. Then I remembered those who were good and honest. All I know for sure is that all PCP's go and most of the rest. Why PCP's? Many reasons there. Mostly the law which will some day some day be an issue for anyone who is silly enough to own one. HUH? Look and think and that one will be obvious.
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Msg. 277236  Posted by Pel-It on August 19, 2000 at 23:39:48:

In Reply to: Hum, the computer posted by Hawley on August 19, 2000 at 22:57:58:

Interesting reading how one person has seen the computer as the "downfall" of a cherished passtime. Being new to airgunning and Canadian I might add, my angle goes as such: If it weren't for this TV lookin thing with a keyboard on its leash, I would'nt be here having this "Chat" (I'm in with the lingo you know) with you. That been said, I don't mean in real time. You see, I was never introduced to airguns through friends or by the local gun shop. I discovered practically all I know through this method. I researched a miriad of different airgun manufacturers, I asked different questions about certain guns that other posters owned, and bought upon that gained knowledge. At this point the learning had just begun. How does one shoot these things? How do I clean it?, What's a gas ram, why can't I leave my gun cocked. These are all regular questions asked by regular guys who need encouragement to join the "brotherhood". Who answers?? Russ Best (to whom I owe much of my airgun wisdom...and a very big bottle of Scotch). He , and a handfull of others have politely answered some of the stupidest questions I've witnessed out of good nature and willingness to help some of us along. As for the common objective of the modern airgun industry ($$$) look around. Tried to buy a house lately? perhaps a car. Do you even bother answering the phone during supper anymore?
To the contrary my friend, airgunning is strong and clean on this beautiful day. This forum weeds the rats out right quick leaving a whole lot of good reading for wanna be airgun encyclopidias like me.
Truly and passionately
Pel-It... and yes I have thought of changing my license plate to it..
Cheers
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Msg. 277235  Posted by Albert on August 19, 2000 at 23:35:04:

In Reply to: What is a good ballistic putty substitute for a pellet trap? (nt) posted by dscott on August 19, 2000 at 23:34:12:

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Msg. 277234  Posted by brad on August 19, 2000 at 23:34:31:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Rings! posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 23:29:01:

No, I did not send it back. I was concerned that it would never be returned. I love the rifle. Thanks for the tip!
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Msg. 277233  Posted by dscott on August 19, 2000 at 23:34:12:


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Msg. 277232  Posted by dscott on August 19, 2000 at 23:32:31:

In Reply to: Daystate PH-6 owners , lend me your opinions.... posted by Derrin on August 19, 2000 at 21:21:37:

I have a PH6 in .22. It is well balanced and has the legendary Daystate quality and accuracy.
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Msg. 277231  Posted by The Checkbook on August 19, 2000 at 23:32:15:

In Reply to: Re: Spouse in the house posted by Wife on August 19, 2000 at 12:40:56:

After bailing out my wife's antique acquisition addictions for the past 18 years, frankly, dear, I don't give a broken spring what the *&%^&$%$#@^@& she thinks.
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Msg. 277230  Posted by Hawley on August 19, 2000 at 23:31:46:

In Reply to: Re: So Long, Far Ye Well posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 23:15:38:

Now I thought you had the gift of poetry For people like Craig and myself this forum ( any forum)may at times be frustrating. We have collected for years. I have no interest in so much of what is posted. I do not mean to be a snob or lessen newcomers. Yet what interest does a 707 have? Perhaps years ago it would cut the mustard. Most Whiscombs and Stalkers seem so so to me. Yet they are the BEST. And I mean the BEST. No one in my opinion comes close to Adrian Hartley. Period, end of story. If you want an airgun, save your pennies and buy a Stalker. If you settle for anything less, then that is your problem. Years ago I collected rimfires. A dealer told me to buy everything and then some day i'd sell them all and stick with Hammerli. He was right! My advice is to sell them all and ONLY BUY STALKER!!! Airguns is a progressive addictive illness. Someday you will find you move on to the hard stuff. PCP is Stalker, Spring is Whiscombe. Yet what do I know???? I have collected JW's and Stalkers and custom Maccari's and not to mention some slouch companies like Venom and Theoben.
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Msg. 277229  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 19, 2000 at 23:30:47:

In Reply to: Scoping older Sheridans posted by Quack on August 19, 2000 at 12:20:10:



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Msg. 277228  Posted by GF on August 19, 2000 at 23:30:01:

In Reply to: The Battle of the Birdfeeder posted by Zero on August 19, 2000 at 21:57:50:

You may catch some things you don't want to, but if you are using a live trap you can always release the things you don't want to be rid of. And as far as that goes you don't even have to kill the bad guys. Just haul them off a few miles and they are not likely to find their way back. Carefull though a scared squirrel will urinate all over the place.
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Msg. 277227  Posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 23:29:01:

In Reply to: The Battle of the Birdfeeder posted by Zero on August 19, 2000 at 21:57:50:

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Msg. 277226  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 23:29:01:

In Reply to: Scope Rings! posted by brad on August 19, 2000 at 23:25:09:

Brad: there are different height rings. Try the Beeman 5030H or 5040H rings- available from any Beeman dealer(see Airgun Resources section). What diameter is your scope's objective lens? I worry about BSA scopes on the ultra magnum rifles like yours- I can't say that the scope will last. BTW- how do you like the gun? Have you sent yours back for the recall on the safety yet? RB
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Msg. 277225  Posted by brad on August 19, 2000 at 23:25:09:

I just purchased a BSA scope for my gamo 1250 rifle. The scope rings that I purchased do not allow for enough clearance between the scope and barrel. Are there different size rings and if so where can I purchase them? Thanks for the help!
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Msg. 277224  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 19, 2000 at 23:20:08:

In Reply to: So Long, Far Ye Well posted by Hawley on August 19, 2000 at 21:56:30:

Please take a look at the response by Marty Silver Streak about the Swift 8x32x50 scope. He sells Swift scopes. He WON'T sell the 8x32x50 because it has problems -- he is sending them back to the factory. I like enthusiasts who are in the business and remember what got them in the business in the first place.
As I get older, I have to work harder against giving in to cynicism.

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Msg. 277223  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 23:19:29:

In Reply to: Re: Eley Wasp Domes posted by Bubba on August 18, 2000 at 09:53:48:

Bubba: good to hear from you. The Walther LG-55 is an older style break barrel match rifle, with performance about equal to an HW-55. The silhouettes I use are the Beeman jobbies, and with this gun, I keep the distances from 15 to 25 yards. Beyond 25 yards, this old goat couldn't see the steel goat, even if it was painted Dayglo Orange !(thru a peep sight at least). I've tuned this Walther and made a custom fitted piston seal also. It's incredibly slick and smooth, with barely any recoil, shooting the Wasps at around 675 fps and Premier lites at around 625 (plus or minus 1FPS !). It's nice to hear that the STF is expanding it's facilities and that the 'tradin' fever' has nearly passed. Give my regards to the Bubbettes and the Hiney family. RB
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Msg. 277222  Posted by Doug Law on August 19, 2000 at 23:17:41:

In Reply to: Feinwerkbau C 5 posted by Steve on August 19, 2000 at 22:14:48:

Steve-if the price was halfway reasonable , you should have grabbed it. Its listed in Brett Renos used airgun values at $850 foronly one offered in two years. Came out in 1990. repeater.,Listed in 1992 Gun Digest, Oct. 1991 issue of American Airgunner, and Airgun Digest issue three (green cover). I have that issue of American Aiorgunner.
I believe the C5 was the forerunner of the FWB 55, both very high quality repeating pistols, very accurate-buy it quick or let me have it!
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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Msg. 277221  Posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 23:15:38:

In Reply to: So Long, Far Ye Well posted by Hawley on August 19, 2000 at 21:56:30:

It's too bad it has to be that way, most people carry
a lot of respect for people like yourself and can
learn alot from your knowledge. But it is just a hobby
and should be put into the correct perspective. I
gave up golf when it became more trouble than it
was worth because of BS.
Cheer Up!
Full many a glorious morning have I seen
Flatter the mountain-tops with sovereign eye,
Kissing with golden face the meadows green,
Gilding pale streams with heavenly alchemy;
Anon permit the basest clouds to ride
With ugly rack on his celestial face,
And from the forlorn world his visage hide,
Stealing unseen to west with this disgrace:
Even so my sun one early morn did shine
With all triumphant splendor on my brow;
But out, alack! he was but one hour mine;
The region cloud hath mask'd him from me now.
Yet him for this my love no whit disdaineth;
Suns of the world may stain when heaven's sun staineth.
William Shakespeare
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Msg. 277219  Posted by JRW on August 19, 2000 at 23:05:52:

Just got through shooting at 15 yds with an S1.Used the SS samplers.Best 5 shot groups were with RWS pistol and Superpoints.I don't have a chronograph.Has anybody out there ever chronied the S1?If yes lets see some results please,I'm curious to know what speeds it actually does.
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Msg. 277218  Posted by Mac1 on August 19, 2000 at 23:05:02:

In Reply to: QB-1 Info. needed... posted by Josh P. on August 19, 2000 at 22:57:01:

The QB1 I worked on did about 500fps in .177. The porting is fairly restrictive. The orings are cheap but it has potential. I got the one I worked on up to the same speed as a LDMKI is .22 with a slightly longer barrel and the porting work. The gun is fairly easy to do a 3.5oz hangy tank on. The block that accepts the factory bulk tank can be removed, annealed, threaded to accept the Tank-Top screwed in from the borttom and the hangy tank can be fitted. The factory bulk tank acts as a vapor chamber to have ready to fire gas volume. Works pretty good with the hangy tank as the 3.5 oz makes a natural handle.

Later

Tim

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Msg. 277217  Posted by Hawley on August 19, 2000 at 22:57:58:

In Reply to: Re: So Long, Far Ye Well posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 22:04:40:

Russ,
On that I could agree with you except i need the computer for work. Airguns are a hobby and for relaxation. Now over the past few years many of you have made it a pain in the ..... computer. So when relaxation becomes a source of stess, then one needs to rethink the whole affair. The issue for me is honesty and integrity. Things I have seen in both regiards. Instances when you all rise to the heights but too many times the opposite.
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Msg. 277216  Posted by Josh P. on August 19, 2000 at 22:57:01:

Hey everybody,

I need some info on the QB-1 CO2 rifle/pistol.These look like they have alot of potential for a DIYer to work with.Anybody know the real FPS?How many shots can you get with those lil 35(or whatever) gram tanks?How's the accuracy at 25 yards max?Can it be bulked using a 3.5 oz bottle?If so,how many shots?

This is a candidate fo rmy first bulk CO2 gun...

Thanks-Josh P.
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Msg. 277215  Posted by Raj on August 19, 2000 at 22:49:47:

Hi,
anyone have any opinions on these pistols?
or chrono info?
I'd like to use them for "meece" control.
Im leaning towards the EB 17,as I already have a
HB 17 pump.
any insights or hunting stories would be much appreciated

Thanks
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Msg. 277214  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 22:35:39:

In Reply to: Re: I agree posted by s[i]lencer on August 19, 2000 at 17:08:13:

Silencer: you are mixing your metaphors. Starving children in Africa don't have Daystates or Theobens. We're talking about an American generation that barely (if at all) shows any respect to their elders; DEMANDS instant answers to their questions (without having to do the real work of research or experience). While you may be the applaudable exception, most younger people today are terribly spoiled. They have far more advantages than any other generation in history.
As far as respect goes, you may be confusing it with just good old fashioned civility. I can be quite civil to someone I don't respect. I think MB had it right. Respect is earned by deed-- not by position within a society. Civility on the other hand seems to have gone downhill in the last 35 years. Regards, Russ Best
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Msg. 277213  Posted by doyle on August 19, 2000 at 22:35:21:

Ran across a gun shop with new condition Crosman CO2 cartridges (short) in the black box with the target logo. (mid-'60s?) Also found unopened near new spam cans of Crosman pellets. What would be a good price when I go back to buy these? I don't thin the guy realizes (or cares) how old they are. Thanks!
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Msg. 277212  Posted by Bodycount on August 19, 2000 at 22:22:42:

In Reply to: ...and a first aid kit..........nt posted by Flak on August 19, 2000 at 17:17:07:



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Msg. 277210  Posted by Steve on August 19, 2000 at 22:14:48:

I am seeking more info on the Feinwerkbau C-5.

I saw one at a gun show today and I would like to know what a good price is and also I would appreciate any input on this pistol. TIA
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Msg. 277209  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 22:11:31:

In Reply to: Re: I just mean the magnification seems high posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 20:20:54:

Greg: as Art explained, it's for purposes of rangefinding. We don't necessarily need a hugely magnified target, but in order to place the shot with precision, you must know the range to the target and the guns' ballistic curve. The high mag scopes simply rangefind better (very short depth of field)as a general rule, and allow greater accuracy to be realized. Regards, RB
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Msg. 277208  Posted by IDB on August 19, 2000 at 22:09:35:

In Reply to: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? posted by Eli Gratz on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:46:

Does anyone know the velocity (FPS) you typically get with a 1077?

Ian
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Msg. 277207  Posted by Jennifer on August 19, 2000 at 22:04:46:

In Reply to: .22 Remington posted by matt sudol on August 15, 2000 at 21:56:26:

I shoot my Rem 597 a lot and like it as an alternative to airguns. Its not as accurate with CB Long as I would like, but they are fine for larger vermin. Its a lot of gun for the money.

Accuracy is fine with regular ammo. I like Remington subsonics with 93 ftlb better than CCI CBs.
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Msg. 277206  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 22:04:40:

In Reply to: So Long, Far Ye Well posted by Hawley on August 19, 2000 at 21:56:30:

Hawley: say it ain't so ! I certainly hope you keep at least a few of the fine pieces you own and enjoy the sport privately. I think I'd throw the computer out before I gave up airgunning !. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 277205  Posted by Zero on August 19, 2000 at 21:57:50:

Okay, here's the deal. My stepmom's really into birds. We've got feeders and birdhouses all over the back yard, and more finches, jays, and starlings than you've ever seen. We also get some really weird exotic guys from time to time. We also have squirrels. I have no problem with our little red squirrels. They make little chittering noises and wiggle their noses and the whole nine yards and generally act cute. However there's a gang (a family, I'll bet) of these damn grey squirrels that lives in my neighbor's yard. These guys are real bastards. They chase away the other birds and critters, tear up our feeders, and generally act like furry little assholes. If you try'n go for them, they run away and his at you from my neighbor's tree. As soon as you turn your back, the little bastards are back causing trouble. We've tried those suet cakes, corn, traps, and all those other "humane" methods. Zilch. My father has given me an ultimatum. The squirrels must die.

My problem is this: Sometimes the squirrels will attack the feeders while people are on the porch, sometimes they won't. I can't plug the squirrels in my neighbor's tree 'cause she gets all pissy about that sort of thing. I can't sit out there with one of my rifles 'cause they make too much noise and said neighbor gets pissy again. I can't use my P23 because if no squirrels show all day I waste a CO2 cartridge, and if I leave it in too long it runs down anyway. I've killed two of the squirrels (out of nine, I think) by pouncing on them with my katana. (Yes, I'm a psychotic son of a bitch.) They've caught on to that, though. What I need is a good, powerful and accurate air pistol.

I want something that packs a bit of a punch, and will kill or severely wound a squirrel at close range. Say, 5 to 25 feet. I need something that I can stick a pellet in and leave it in my pocket all day. If a squirrel comes by all I have to do is yank the lever and blow his fuzzy nuts off. Thus an underlever would be best. It needs to be suitable to use indoors, firing from a window if I'm inside. I also need something accurate enough to hit one of these things at the stated 5 to 25 feet.

It boils down to this. So after this extremely long-winded post, does anyone have any suggestions?

-Zero the Inestimable

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Msg. 277204  Posted by Hawley on August 19, 2000 at 21:56:30:

I have been a long time collector of airguns. I am getting rid of my collection and a good friend will be dispersing it. So you ask why? First of all, my biased opinion is that most of the dealers are in for one and only one thing. To make money. I was in this game before Maccari did his first tune and Zasadny did anything at all. To be short there are only two people that I have never had any question about in my dealings. Adrian Hartley of Stalker and John Whiscombe have always been 100% above board. If you have to stay in the states the only person I know who can service your guns is Allen Zasadny. Many pardons to the "new" kids on the block such as Russ Best but I never used them. So take your chances. Over the past few years since the advent of the internet, airguns have gone down hill on the whole. Not that the quality of the product is bad but there is so much BS over the net and no accountability that I am sick and tired of the whole affair. It used to be that airguns was a small community and we policed our own. Now both dealers and individuals out there are such that i have been burnt one too many times. I may still make posts or give references for where to get a rifle, but I am out of the airgun collecting hobby. My collection as well is out of here. Perhaps I'll finally use my Steinway that I had reconditioned. So someday when the thought police come knocking on your door, I'll play you a tune on my piano. For the last 30 years or more I thought I ought to learn to play the silly thing.
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Msg. 277202  Posted by Tir on August 19, 2000 at 21:33:50:

In Reply to: Re: best approach with pump pneumatics? posted by CharlesC on August 19, 2000 at 19:50:37:

it kinda' made sense to vary the power for distance, thanks for the confirmation (I think I'll have to get a CB next - would be nice to have a rifle in the same caliber as well. Lesse, three rifles and a pistol since this spring - and thinking of another already? Heeeelp - I'm falling!!! ;)

I think I'm a goner for sure.

Tim
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Msg. 277201  Posted by Tir on August 19, 2000 at 21:28:16:

In Reply to: Re: best approach with pump pneumatics? posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 20:14:35:

I want this to last more than 3 days (or weeks - ideally, years?)

Not really a 'power monger' anyway - I like to think I'll do better with finesse than force, lol.

Thanks,
Tim

btw - glad you enjoyed your evening out!
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Msg. 277200  Posted by Tir on August 19, 2000 at 21:22:54:

In Reply to: Re: best approach with pump pneumatics? posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 20:23:03:

Thanks - that makes a lot of sense. There really is no substitution for experimentation - just trying to ensure my experiments are within the scope of practicality and safety (both mine and the gun's).

I hadn't thought about the effect of varying power to accomodate different pellets, but I've only been shooting the diablos at 14.3 gr so far. I'm expecting some FTS pellets in .20 this week and they are lighter - about 11+ gr - and I'm sure that the weight difference will affect the poi at any given power level. I'll have to get used to, and learn to take advantage of this additional 'variable' that 'set power' springers don't share.

Thanks,
Tim
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Msg. 277199  Posted by Derrin on August 19, 2000 at 21:21:37:

Monday, I'm gonna buy a Ph-6. I have only one concern. The reciever looks very beefy and lifted up above the rest of the gun. Does this cause the gun to balance and handle poorly ?? Thanks for your input.
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Msg. 277198  Posted by Art on August 19, 2000 at 21:15:10:

In Reply to: Re: I just mean the magnification seems high posted by Art on August 19, 2000 at 21:12:02:

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Msg. 277197  Posted by Art on August 19, 2000 at 21:12:02:

In Reply to: Re: I just mean the magnification seems high posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 20:20:54:

Separate range finders are not allowed in FT matches. But a high magnification scope with an adjustable Objective can be used as a range finder. Instead of setting the scope's AO to a known range ,look through the scope while adjusting the AO. When focused the read the range on the AO's bell. Some hunters also like to do the same thing. You can then adjust the target knows to the range instead of having to hold over.
Of course the shooter will also measure know ranges and check the readings on the AO bell. You can make you own if need be. Also number of scope clicks is also tested by firing a known distances or using a ballistic program such as the A team's.

Hope this has helped,
Art

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Msg. 277196  Posted by BSJ on August 19, 2000 at 21:05:34:

Should make things verrry interesting.

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Msg. 277195  Posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 20:48:30:

In Reply to: What is the actual velocity of a Crosman 2240??? posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 20:33:10:

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Msg. 277194  Posted by DougWall on August 19, 2000 at 20:46:37:

In Reply to: Hyscore pistol velocity posted by DT Fletcher on August 18, 2000 at 22:30:40:

Thanks for the info. I'm still on my quest to start collecting these.
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Msg. 277193  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 20:41:21:

In Reply to: Re: I did ! I'm glad someone did, I'm out here in the doghouse.. posted by Bob Kelly on August 19, 2000 at 11:45:49:

Bob: my gropes-- er ah groups were just fine, thank you !. :>)
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Msg. 277192  Posted by Charlie on August 19, 2000 at 20:40:49:

In Reply to: What is the actual velocity of a Crosman 2240??? posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 20:33:10:

The Crosman 2240 I had (stock, off of the shelf) actually did the
rated 460 fps. This was with Crosman Premiers in .22 caliber (I'm not
sure if this pistol is available in .177 caliber). Very nice
performance for the money. Wish the receiver was all steel, however.

Charlie

Forgot to mention, I got about 30 good shots off of a CO2 powerlet......


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Msg. 277191  Posted by Charlie on August 19, 2000 at 20:39:40:

In Reply to: What is the actual velocity of a Crosman 2240??? posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 20:33:10:

The Crosman 2240 I had (stock, off of the shelf) actually did the
rated 460 fps. This was with Crosman Premiers in .22 caliber (I'm not
sure if this pistol is available in .177 caliber). Very nice
performance for the money. Wish the receiver was all steel, however.

Charlie

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Msg. 277190  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 20:36:09:

In Reply to: Can you lightly lubricate 25cal CROW MAGNUMIII PELLETS posted by Jason Lowe on August 19, 2000 at 20:03:31:

Generally, springers (and gas rams) don't get their pellets lubed. This could cause dieseling. Finish Line Dry bike chain lube works OK for some springers, but I'd use caution and try just a few lubed with Finish line in your gun before doing a whole box of pellets. RB
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Msg. 277189  Posted by Rene Sevilla on August 19, 2000 at 20:34:49:

Once again I am asking if someone has any information on this circa 1960s wood and steel BB rifle. I have sale price and description on GunsAmerica Website.
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Msg. 277188  Posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 20:33:10:

I was wondering how the mv compares to the Mark 1.
My Mark 1 does up to 435fps with 14.3gr copperheads and an extra power spring.
I stock form the Mark 1 usually does about 400fps. The four I had did anyway.

Please mention the pellet used in the test and the number of shots per CO2 bulb.

Thanks,
Todd
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Msg. 277187  Posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 20:27:21:

In Reply to: Sight recommendations for IZH-61 posted by Steve T on August 19, 2000 at 16:30:19:

On one IZH-61 I have a Bushnell 3-9 sportview (79-0039) with Burris medium height rimfire rings.
On my other gun I use the factory peep sight.

Joe at Golden Toller recommends the Tasco Mini-Mag red dot for the -61. This particular red dot is quite short and does not interfere with the mag release.

The William's FP-AG peep works good on the -61. I had one on my gun last week.
HTH,
Todd
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Msg. 277186  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 20:23:43:

In Reply to: Re: R9 Cocking lever play ... how much is too much? posted by TerryD on August 19, 2000 at 17:12:37:

"..going to Montana soon... gonna be a dental floss tycoon". :>) Russ
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Msg. 277185  Posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 20:23:03:

In Reply to: best approach with pump pneumatics? posted by Tir on August 19, 2000 at 18:53:58:

I would suggest taking advantage of the variable power and tune the gun to the pellet. You can vary the number of pumps until your group size gets the smallest. I think the max pumps for the gun is 8.
Start at 4 pumps and shoot a few groups. Increase by one pump each time and shoot a few more groups.
Next change pellets and start over.
Eventually you can make up a chart with the various pellets you like to shoot and the best number of pumps for each pellet(for best accuracy).
Accuracy is the most important factor with any gun, IMHO.
I'm a bit of an "experimenting addict" as you might have guessed by now.
Enjoy the gun and experiment.
Todd
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Msg. 277184  Posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 20:20:54:

In Reply to: Re: What size of pellet rifles do you use these on,curious posted by Tom B on August 19, 2000 at 19:11:31:

How powerful are these rifles for that much magnification,im confused.Mines only 930/psi
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Msg. 277183  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 20:14:35:

In Reply to: best approach with pump pneumatics? posted by Tir on August 19, 2000 at 18:53:58:

Tim: my sons friend trashed one of those pistols in three days by overpumping( I think he kept using 12 pumps- sometimes 10). I cautioned him about it, but he said he "didn't care". It didn't take very long, but I have no idea of the numper of pellets fired during those 3 days. RB
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Msg. 277182  Posted by Jason Lowe on August 19, 2000 at 20:03:31:

Will lightly lubricating the 25cal pellets for the CMIII hurt this gun.Also does anybody know about 25cal H&N superfield pellets.Theobens web site says this pellet will shoot 32fp of energy and is the most accurate.
Thanks,
Jason
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Msg. 277181  Posted by Mike Cooper on August 19, 2000 at 19:57:12:

In Reply to: Why I became a machinist posted by CJ on August 19, 2000 at 10:13:29:

Sounds good, but first time I heard it,it was regarding plumbers. :-)
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Msg. 277180  Posted by CharlesC on August 19, 2000 at 19:50:37:

In Reply to: best approach with pump pneumatics? posted by Tir on August 19, 2000 at 18:53:58:

I use 4 pumps at 10 meters indoors and more as the range increases outside. I use an extra pump for every 10 extra yards to a max of 7 pumps at 40 yards. Works for me with my Sheridan CB.
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Msg. 277179  Posted by Ron Y. on August 19, 2000 at 19:46:22:

In Reply to: So you get a piece of PVC and an air compressor... (NT) posted by Zero on August 19, 2000 at 16:52:00:

Now youre talking about my potato gun, except I don't need an air compressor. A can of hair spray does just fine.
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Msg. 277178  Posted by cvarcher on August 19, 2000 at 19:43:58:

In Reply to: Thanks Bill! posted by Quack on August 19, 2000 at 19:33:16:

I keep posting this over and over , Just get a hold of the first original one peice mount with the three screws and overhang.lock it on so the overhang is flush with the breech opening.now mount a scope with no more than a 32mm objective.I use a sportview 4X 32mm plenty of view.Loading pellets are easy clearing the bolt is easy except for pre1968 models cause the bolts are too straight.DAS can help here with a rteplacement bolt.And pumping is a snap, I pump it to 6 in my car.
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Msg. 277177  Posted by Ron Y. on August 19, 2000 at 19:41:43:

In Reply to: Sight recommendations for IZH-61 posted by Steve T on August 19, 2000 at 16:30:19:

I've got a BSA 2x7x44 AO on a scope mount purchased with the gun from Joe at Golden Toller. It's all this gun needs to cover the extent of its range. .2 at 10M, .5 at20M, and .7 at 30M with CP 7.9s.
What more can you ask for.
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Msg. 277176  Posted by Driskill on August 19, 2000 at 19:33:24:

In Reply to: "FOR COLLECTORS " posted by donnie bryant on August 19, 2000 at 11:35:08:


Donnie,

Welcome to the forum!

Benjamin made airguns for about 100 years. You'll need to give us a little more info about configuration, markings, etc. Please turn off your caps lock and re-post this info, and several people will jump in.

The definitive source on Benjamin gun is D T Fletcher's book--check out the link the previous guy posted.
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Msg. 277175  Posted by Quack on August 19, 2000 at 19:33:16:

In Reply to: Re: Scoping older Sheridans posted by BCall on August 19, 2000 at 19:23:45:

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Msg. 277174  Posted by BCall on August 19, 2000 at 19:23:45:

In Reply to: Re: Scoping older Sheridans posted by Quack on August 19, 2000 at 18:45:22:

I bought one to try. It does not work. Once screwed down it will not hold tightly. Very little pressure is needed to get it to rock back and forth, as the only thing holding it in place it the 2 screws. If someone wanted to cut the arm down so it would rest on the receiver, it might work. Otherwise you would have to epoxy it in place, which I had no desire to do as you need to rough up both surfaces to get it to hold. It is made so it sits a little higher over the receiver so you can use the iron sights if you want. Sitting up so high gives it very little stability. BTW, if you cut the arm down so it sat on top of the receiver, it wold make it very difficult to load in my opinion. Nice idea for a mount, but not functional or worth the time without modification. If I get a Benjamin or sheridan thats a little beat up, or I don't care about sometime, I might try to make it work by epoxying it down, Hope this helps, Bill
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Msg. 277173  Posted by Tom B on August 19, 2000 at 19:11:31:

In Reply to: Re: What size of pellet rifles do you use these on,curious posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 17:27:00:

Greg,
these scopes are used for field target and varment hunting

HTH
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Msg. 277172  Posted by JRW on August 19, 2000 at 19:01:36:

In Reply to: You really wanna know how wives feel ........ posted by Ima Nag on August 19, 2000 at 15:24:23:

Sorry boys,I didn't see this one coming.I hope I didn't put too many of you in the soup with my commentary.My wife never reads this site.Plus,all my toy money comes from my own OT at work.We both get toy accounts to buy whatever we can afford.This is a luxury not all can afford. I was just wondering how you fellows dealt with the monitary issue of this hobby with your SO's.Hope I didn't start too many Jerry Springer episodes out there.
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Msg. 277171  Posted by Tir on August 19, 2000 at 18:53:58:

Just getting the feel for my new Ben/Sher HB20 pistol and I'm trying to figure out the best approach to shooting at various distances. I'm entirely new to this with a pump gun so here goes: Is it better to stay with a consistent power level (ie; # of pumps) for all distances and adjust the aim point accordingly, or is it easier (more accurate) to adjust the power level for a given distance? For example - shooting indoors at 20' I initially was pumping the gun about 5 to 6 times and for longer ranges outdoors about 7 to 8 times for a little extra oomph downrange. Then I was thinking, maybe I'd be better off sticking with the higher # of pumps even indoors. Anybody more familiar with this than I am have any suggestions? btw - anybody know the *real* max # of pumps that this pistol can handle without damage? The recommendation is eight, but I'm guessing they're being conservative to ensure longevity of the mechanisms. I don't want to prematurely damage or wear out the gun - just utilize it to it's max potential, safely.

Thanks for any thoughts,
Tim
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Msg. 277170  Posted by JRW on August 19, 2000 at 18:45:43:

In Reply to: Re: Spouse in the house posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 16:02:58:

Sorry to hear about your loss.I appreciate your feedback.
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Msg. 277169  Posted by Quack on August 19, 2000 at 18:45:22:

In Reply to: Re: Scoping older Sheridans posted by Swinson on August 19, 2000 at 12:58:08:

Hey Craig, thanks for the tip, but the integramount will not work. I was told the only options were the intermount(which I am familiar with) and the B-square mount #17010 that mount in the peep site holes on the Sheridans. Has anyone tried this mount and is it any good? Thanks again
Pual in MI
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Msg. 277168  Posted by John Y on August 19, 2000 at 18:43:51:

In Reply to: I got one. posted by jukt on August 19, 2000 at 08:16:38:

If you compaire with the XS-B4-2 plus same cleaning kits and scope from South Summit, you will pay less than what you paid. And you will find the B4-2 is better than the 38d.At least the XS-B4 serial has more power (+120fps more) and more solid. I imported Industry Brand airgun for more than five years then switch to XS serial airgun. No reasons but quality.
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Msg. 277167  Posted by trevor on August 19, 2000 at 18:32:40:

Anyone want to trade their ANICS revolver(NOT pistol) for a Webley Junior??
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Msg. 277166  Posted by Andrew on August 19, 2000 at 18:25:58:

I can not find slick 50 one lube or Castrol spray lube, has anybody used airtool oil for lubing pellets for pneumatic guns, will it destroy seals? If you know where I can order slick 50 one lube from please let me know. TIA
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Msg. 277165  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 18:20:48:

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Msg. 277164  Posted by s[i]lencer on August 19, 2000 at 18:03:32:

In Reply to: Re: only one type of respects not earned : Human respect you give it to man woman or child..the respect i get i earned with my life posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 17:48:50:

I am 16 and have grown up on a very rough street east van. My point was you should be able to give respect to people according to what they have endured Not how old they are. A younger person might have endured more (in a shorter epriod of time of course) then an older person who has had life easy. More respect should be given to the younger person. They have endured more. They deserve it no matter the age.

s[i]lencer

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Msg. 277163  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 17:48:50:

In Reply to: Re: I agree posted by s[i]lencer on August 19, 2000 at 17:08:13:

there are 3 types of respect..human respect that should be given to anyone..respect an elder gets..theyve been around longer..and rspect a tearch or parant gets..the only respect that wasnt earned was human respect,,some how my point was lost..as i read yer reply it has very little to do was my point..guess my dylexia got me again..some of your post makes me think you dont understand some aspecks of respect..what does well off old people have to do with respect?i respect people for life they have lived, knowledge they have gained and hardship they have lived through. heres some thing about life under my belt ..i was born with spinabifada, the doctor told my mother i wouldnt live past 2yrs of age, after i went way past that. they said i wouldnt live past 18. ive had 12 operations im now 37. they told my mom id be retarded.and be in a wheelchair..only the last 5 yrs have i had to use a wheelchair. although my spelling sucks i do have a high IQ. my first step dad was a drunk, he beat mother and i he beat me daily and when drunk my mom was the target. in school they never new or found out i was dylexic. and they didnt want to deal with it, so with no grades at all they pasted me till i hit highschool..at that point my health wasnt the best so i quit school took a yr off. at this point i was a Bruce Lee nut and wanted to try studying karate. i called 10 schools and only one took me. being disabled. at this school i studied ryukyu kempo. after 3 yrs of karate, i was given a chance to get my GED. and did. and past. studied one more yr of karate. my health after that has been off & on good and bad..in my eyes respect is earned "human dinity" and Human respect is given..in my 37 yrs ive lived a lot of life ..some day youll understand this.. Age-ism? what have you done in your short life.

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Msg. 277160  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 19, 2000 at 17:33:33:

In Reply to: CAN ANYONE REPORT ON THE SWIFT 678M 8X32X50? posted by Lloyd S. on August 19, 2000 at 17:24:43:

It is back to the drawing board on that one. Have 15 here that are going back to Swift on Monday. Me thinks the factory put bags over everyones head when they made it. Working on getting it fixed. It is a don't buy. Min focus 27 yards, and the AO bell is totally out of whack, in addition the clarity and focus is bad.

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Msg. 277159  Posted by CJ on August 19, 2000 at 17:31:17:

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Msg. 277158  Posted by chasm on August 19, 2000 at 17:30:33:

In Reply to: Re: You really wanna know how wives feel ........ posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 16:07:58:

Hey Russ,

Take it easy on golf. I find it much more interesting than watching auto racing for example. If you haven't gotten into "Tigermania" you might be surprised. As far as the wife question goes, the choice made as to a mate most times determines how the marrige works out IMHO. I'm pretty lucky, but I still have to be careful not to abuse my good fortune.

chasm
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Msg. 277157  Posted by NS Canuck on August 19, 2000 at 17:28:56:

In Reply to: Airgunaholic posted by Sid Edgewater on August 17, 2000 at 22:01:35:

Got bit by the bug myself about two years ago. Tryin to keep a handle on it by getting the wife involved. Now she wants'em too!

Good things can be very infectious.

Now I have a few rifles and a couple of pistols and my favorite is the one happen to be using at the moment.

Cheers!

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Msg. 277156  Posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 17:27:00:

In Reply to: CAN ANYONE REPORT ON THE SWIFT 678M 8X32X50? posted by Lloyd S. on August 19, 2000 at 17:24:43:

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Msg. 277155  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 19, 2000 at 17:24:43:

Does it focus down any closer than the Swift 677M 6x24x50?
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Msg. 277152  Posted by Lon on August 19, 2000 at 17:19:30:

Can somebody give me Airmonkey's email address.
Thanx in advance
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Msg. 277151  Posted by Flak on August 19, 2000 at 17:17:07:

In Reply to: So you get a piece of PVC and an air compressor... (NT) posted by Zero on August 19, 2000 at 16:52:00:

nt
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Msg. 277150  Posted by TerryD on August 19, 2000 at 17:12:37:

In Reply to: Re: R9 Cocking lever play ... how much is too much? posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:02:21:

Russ, I forget who gave me this tip but I was told to use dental floss. I tried it on one of my sloppier R1 cocking levers and it did take up some slop and quieted the rattle.
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Msg. 277149  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 19, 2000 at 17:11:54:

In Reply to: Test of the new Swift Model 677M scope....... posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 13:01:31:

Thanks for a great review!! I didn't want to mount any and go through the clicking and make one used right off the bat. I have just one left out of 15 but more on the way.

Besides it is raining to beat the band here. ;-(

Did however get a Squirrel and a Crow this morning, shot the Crow while on the phone with Mike P lol. Don't ya just love those cordless phones???

Marty
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Msg. 277148  Posted by s[i]lencer on August 19, 2000 at 17:08:13:

In Reply to: Re: I agree posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 07:02:01:

You treat people with respect as a matter of basic courtesy. And who says that children who have gone through a rough childhood dont know have as much things about life then some well-off old people. The fact is children sometimes have experienced much more radical events than adults. Take for example some poverished African boy who endures hunger, war etc... as compared to an American millionaire who has always lived in comfort. Please refrain from demonstrating ageism. Also from what youve wrote I have to have "life under my belt to gain respect" , the more life i have under my belt the more respect I get. I dopnt agree, would you give equal amounts of respect to the African child mentioned above and the lucky millionaire adult?

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Msg. 277147  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 19, 2000 at 17:05:24:

In Reply to: Test of the new Swift Model 677M scope....... posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 13:01:31:

Gary the scope said 27 yards at 30 because the minimum focus is 13 not 10 like it is supposed to be, therefore the AO bell is right on the money.

I knew this was going to come up. So everyone that is why I said min 13 yard focus before any were shipped. Adjust the AO bell and it will indeed be right on the money. When I reported the rangefinding right on the money I took this into consideration. Sorry if I confused anyone by not qualifying that!!

Marty
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Msg. 277146  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 17:03:55:

In Reply to: Re: I told you those writing lesson would pay off!;) posted by Mike Pearson on August 19, 2000 at 15:41:24:

Thanks Mike, coming from you that really means something. Just remember, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while! Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 277145  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 16:59:48:

In Reply to: Unc, postpone any further reports until a week or two... posted by peter huppertz on August 19, 2000 at 13:57:49:

Seriously, I think you're going to love this one! ;-)
Unc

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Msg. 277144  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 16:58:10:

In Reply to: How far down can you focus it? posted by Lloyd S. on August 19, 2000 at 14:09:00:

Mine would focus down to 12 yards - that was it. At this point it actually read just below 9 yards on the bell. After I reset the bell for a true 30 yards reading at a measured 30 yards, the bell also read 12 yards at 12 yards distance, so it's linear betwen 12 and 30 yards, which is important.
Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 277143  Posted by Zero on August 19, 2000 at 16:52:00:

In Reply to: So you basically want an air-powered cannon : - ).......nt posted by Flak on August 19, 2000 at 15:32:13:

Just like Windows NT!

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Msg. 277141  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 19, 2000 at 16:47:38:

In Reply to: Re: Spouse at the range posted by peter huppertz on August 19, 2000 at 16:25:01:

You are lucky. I can con my wife into shooting or fishing but she really does not enjoy it. I take her to resort-vacation areas for dining out and even dance a bit. I guess a little give and take never hurts.
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Msg. 277140  Posted by C Brown on August 19, 2000 at 16:39:07:

Sorry if this is a repeated inquiry. Can't find my original posting. Where can I find


a procedure for replaceing an exhaust valve on the S&W 77A rifle? I have an exploded parts diagram but no information as to repairs. Just checking to see if there are any " tricks " , or minefields in the dissasembly and repair of this model ....Thanks all.....cb
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Msg. 277139  Posted by Happy gardener on August 19, 2000 at 16:36:50:

In Reply to: Why I became a machinist posted by CJ on August 19, 2000 at 10:13:29:

A machinist is the only person who can buy a Chevrolet Vega or a Ford Pinto and make it run for 15 years. They make good friends and their house is full of company. A machinist can help fix your guns and knows about all kinds of metals and their arcane properties.
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Msg. 277138  Posted by Steve T on August 19, 2000 at 16:30:19:

What king of sight would you mount? Scope, red dot, diopter, etc?
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Msg. 277137  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 19, 2000 at 16:29:05:

In Reply to: Starlings = Primary Target posted by Steve forbes on August 18, 2000 at 23:39:09:

Your information about the depletion of cavity nesting songbirds by starlings is important. I will put more effort into increasing my harvest of starlings.
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Msg. 277136  Posted by Tir on August 19, 2000 at 16:27:32:

In Reply to: Re: Spouse at the range posted by peter huppertz on August 19, 2000 at 16:25:01:

nt
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Msg. 277135  Posted by peter huppertz on August 19, 2000 at 16:25:01:

In Reply to: Re: Spouse in the house posted by Wife on August 19, 2000 at 12:40:56:

I thought I'd solve it by letting my SO shoot an airgun.

It didn't help much. She liked it, and she was good at it too. Now the money pit has become twice as deep and she's a bloody serious competitor in matches.

Serves me right, I guess. I should have known, there is a pattern in there. While she initially wasn't too fond of me riding a motorcycle, she looked again, got her license, and now rides her own sports bike as well. Talk about money pits.

peter

ps: in case you wonder: do not, repeat NOT, feel sorry for me.
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Msg. 277134  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 16:22:31:

In Reply to: Re: ??????if these careers are so good why is everybody selling them posted by Swinson on August 18, 2000 at 21:37:45:

I have a theory to add to that. The guns are loud! Guys buy 'em cause they like the power stats, but then find that in order to enjoy the gun at it's higher levels, they need to be at least 1/4 mile from the nearest house, the novelty wears off and the gun goes up for sale. Nothing wrong with the gun per se, but rather it was just an ill informed purchase to begin with. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 277133  Posted by mansit on August 19, 2000 at 16:19:46:

what are your views on the cinease pump rifle called the b45-3
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Msg. 277132  Posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 16:18:59:

In Reply to: Re: ReIm sorry to ask but is there any brand you would reccomend other ten swift? posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 15:54:24:

I can pick up the bushnell for 85 canadian.I would like that swift but when i convert the exchangeits about 180.
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Msg. 277131  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 16:17:04:

In Reply to: SMG air gun.........? posted by Flak on August 19, 2000 at 15:18:51:

In all honesty- it probably won't happen. I have a distinct feeling that if airguns were made to look like assault rifles, they too would get regulated !(or the owners will get themselves shot by Reno's boys or a SWAT team that happens to be driving by-LOL). RB
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Msg. 277130  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 16:07:58:

In Reply to: You really wanna know how wives feel ........ posted by Ima Nag on August 19, 2000 at 15:24:23:

So much for credibility and the sanctity of marriage ! Doing something is far better than lying around in a recliner all weekend. TV can turn you into a mental vegetable !(especially watching golf). RB
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Msg. 277129  Posted by Sammy on August 19, 2000 at 16:07:29:

In Reply to: Re: Shipping an LDMkI with two 3.5 oz. tanks...... posted by MarkWBØSYV on August 19, 2000 at 15:11:02:

Same thing with my postmaster. No problems shipping air rifles or pistols.
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Msg. 277128  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 16:02:58:

In Reply to: Spouse in the house posted by JRW on August 19, 2000 at 01:31:00:

JRW: the engineers must answer to the 'bean counters' in the corporate world, so sometimes shortcuts are taken as a matter of saving a couple bucks here and there per gun. Many airguns are built to a price, so engineering compromises are bound to be found.
I myself, am single(widower); so I only argue with myself over which airgun to buy next. Having been married for 20 years however, it's like any other sport/hobby. I let my wife have hers and I had my own. Sometimes she'd even shoot with me!
If you are working within a budget, don't let us GONZO types push you around! Stick to your plan. Regards, Russ Best
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Msg. 277127  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 15:54:24:

In Reply to: ReIm sorry to ask but is there any brand you would reccomend other ten swift? posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 15:00:35:

Greg: what's your price range? The Bushnell Sportview 3x9x 32AO (Bushnell number 79-0039) can be had for around $60 From Natchez Shooters Supply, and the BSA 4x32 AO can be purchased from Airgun Express for around $50. Below that, I can't recommend any scope. The Sportview comes with some very inexpensive nounts, which MIGHT work for you, but the BSA does not come with rings,so you'll need to spend around $20 for some rings. Regards, Russ Best
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Msg. 277126  Posted by Warren on August 19, 2000 at 15:48:14:

In Reply to: Daisy 747 posted by Gary on August 18, 2000 at 16:30:01:

Yes, there is only one 747. "Triumph" is a marketer's idea of enchancing its appeal.

We currently have them on line at the link below.

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Msg. 277125  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 19, 2000 at 15:41:24:

In Reply to: Test of the new Swift Model 677M scope....... posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 13:01:31:


Seriously Unc, that was a great review! Very informative and you covered alot of bases most people wouldn't even have thought of but are nonetheless very important. --- Mr.P
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Msg. 277124  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 19, 2000 at 15:36:05:

In Reply to: Yep... Swift has a 4-12x40 that goes at $125. posted by peter huppertz on August 19, 2000 at 13:54:23:



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Msg. 277123  Posted by Flak on August 19, 2000 at 15:32:13:

In Reply to: Yes, and I would like one that looks like . . . . posted by Tony Clifton on August 19, 2000 at 15:29:34:

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Msg. 277122  Posted by Tony Clifton on August 19, 2000 at 15:29:34:

In Reply to: SMG air gun.........? posted by Flak on August 19, 2000 at 15:18:51:

an anti-aircraft gun - like the pom-pom guns they have on those WWII destroyers. No wait, I'd like one that looks like one of those artillery pieces - you know, the kind they used to drag behind the jeeps. I could hold my ear when the pellet flies out with a great big PFFFFT.
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Msg. 277121  Posted by Ima Nag on August 19, 2000 at 15:24:23:

In Reply to: Re: Spouse in the house posted by Wife on August 19, 2000 at 12:40:56:

We wish you overage kids would just grow the hell up and stop wasting household money on the what amounts to bb guns. We'd rather have husbands who lay on the couch all weekend watching sports than having them dropping hundreds of dollars on airguns so they can go sit on their cute little bunsbags and shoot feeltargets or whatever the hell you morons call them. My husband spends more time with his guns than he spends with the woman who cooks, cleans, and raises his snotnose kids. You asked for my opinion. And PS, I find a guy on the side who can shoot more than pellets if you know what I mean.
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Msg. 277120  Posted by Flak on August 19, 2000 at 15:18:51:

I would like an airgun which looks like an SMG (sub machine gun) or assault rifle. NOT the Starfire thing, or the Junker or Skan. DEFINATELY not an airsoft, either. One which preferably looks similar to an MP-5 (Heckler & Koch model 54), HK 94 carbine, MP5K PDW, HK 51, HK 31, M-16, HK 11, AR-15, etc.
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Msg. 277119  Posted by MarkWBØSYV on August 19, 2000 at 15:11:02:

In Reply to: Re: Shipping an LDMkI with two 3.5 oz. tanks...... posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 19, 2000 at 14:31:26:

Our postmaster has told me it is fine to ship airguns
as long as there are no full CO2 canisters, that, according
to him, was the only problem. I have shipped several
CO2 pistols with no problems.

Mark
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Msg. 277118  Posted by Jeff Guinan on August 19, 2000 at 15:07:05:

In Reply to: who makes a short stock single shot (say that three times fast) bolt action Co2 rifle? posted by Chris on August 19, 2000 at 12:59:35:

There's not much new around that's kid-sized. Even the Crosmans with the detachable stocks have a long pull. Try to find a Crosman 180 (with the adjustable trigger, if you can). Your kids and you will love it. And it's wood and blued steel, too.
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Msg. 277117  Posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 15:00:35:

In Reply to: Re: does it come in black.Thanks for the feedback posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:54:55:

Still a little expensive.
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Msg. 277116  Posted by Postman on August 19, 2000 at 14:55:13:

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Msg. 277115  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:54:55:

In Reply to: Re: does it come in black.Thanks for the feedback posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 14:31:21:

Yes- in fact most all scopes come in black. Trying to find any other finish is harder(although I do have a silver Weaver V-16). RB
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Msg. 277114  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:53:21:

In Reply to: Priorities! posted by RGunn on August 19, 2000 at 14:44:13:

LOL. At least I pick 'em from within a 5 mile radius . heh heh RB
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Msg. 277113  Posted by RGunn on August 19, 2000 at 14:44:13:

In Reply to: Re: SPY EYE says: posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 13:57:20:

Glad to see you are able to keep your priorities straight. Poor Marty just wasn't the same for several days after his date with that gal from Oregon! LOL.
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Msg. 277112  Posted by Tony U. on August 19, 2000 at 14:40:58:

In Reply to: Re: Shipping an LDMkI with two 3.5 oz. tanks...... posted by Sammy on August 19, 2000 at 13:51:27:

Thanks for your input.
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Msg. 277111  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 19, 2000 at 14:31:26:

In Reply to: Shipping an LDMkI with two 3.5 oz. tanks...... posted by Tony U. on August 19, 2000 at 13:37:28:

I have had considerable experience with damage with UPS. If adequately packed they would not have damaged it, but short of 1 foot of packing material on all sides raising shipping costs, I will not ship with UPS again (well never say never, they are cheap). I recommend you pack with at least 3 to 4 inches of fill around everything. The CO2 containers should be empty for safety, but probably doesn't matter as much as a PCP tank. Pack it thinking that is might tumble down a 30 degree slide about 50-75 feet and have other packages fall on it.

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Msg. 277110  Posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 14:31:21:

In Reply to: Re: Yep... Swift has a 4-12x40 that goes at $125. posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:13:18:

Thanks for all your responses
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Msg. 277109  Posted by I was not thinking. on August 19, 2000 at 14:29:39:

In Reply to: 896 7.9 gr Premiers to a pound. posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:07:10:

Right I was not thinking in grains and you are also right that a 1/4 oz pellet would be heavy.
I think my new name should be Bambam or Pebbles.

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Msg. 277108  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:18:56:

In Reply to: Re: Does anyone ever used a bushnell 3x9-40,are bushnell any good? posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 01:03:43:

Greg: I just recommended one! The Bushnell Sportview 3x9x32(Bushnell # 79-0039). This one has the AO feature needed for more accurate airgun shooting, and will parallax correct to under 10 yards. Not all Sportviews will do this. RB
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Msg. 277107  Posted by BSJ on August 19, 2000 at 14:13:37:

In Reply to: Shipping an LDMkI with two 3.5 oz. tanks...... posted by Tony U. on August 19, 2000 at 13:37:28:

Yes you can ship it UPS.

If the tanks are full you'll pay more for the extra weight.
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Msg. 277106  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:13:18:

In Reply to: Yep... Swift has a 4-12x40 that goes at $125. posted by peter huppertz on August 19, 2000 at 13:54:23:

Yup- very nice scope for the money. Swift offers excellent value for your hard earned $$. The scope presently resides on a Marksman 40, but may get promoted to my BSA SuperStar very soon ! RB
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Msg. 277105  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 19, 2000 at 14:12:58:

In Reply to: Re: Blue Streak Gun Question? posted by matt sudol on August 18, 2000 at 13:53:48:



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Msg. 277103  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 19, 2000 at 14:09:00:

In Reply to: Test of the new Swift Model 677M scope....... posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 13:01:31:

Someone indicated that the scope doesn't focus down to 10 yards. Any word on that? How close will it focus?
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Msg. 277102  Posted by bcd on August 19, 2000 at 14:07:21:

In Reply to: Re: R9 Cocking lever play ... how much is too much? posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:02:21:


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896 7.9 gr Premiers to a pound.


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Msg. 277101  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:07:10:

In Reply to: Re: Counting with my toes posted by Fred Filtstone on August 19, 2000 at 12:18:18:

Fred: a gram equals 15.4+ grains ! An 8 gram pellet would be pretty darn heavy! There are 896 CP lites in a pound. RB
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I was afraid it would be airsoft...nt


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Msg. 277100  Posted by Defiance on August 19, 2000 at 14:04:11:

In Reply to: Check this gun out.... posted by Defiance on August 18, 2000 at 21:39:26:

nt
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Msg. 277099  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 14:02:21:

In Reply to: R9 Cocking lever play ... how much is too much? posted by bcd on August 19, 2000 at 13:54:06:

BCD: don't worry about it. Your friend is right. Some break barrels(like some Webleys) rattle even more than the HW guns! Keep the cocking lever pin lubed with a drop of motor oil (I like Beemans Ultralube best- it contains moly), to prevent excessive wear; as there is a considerable amount of pressure on that pin when the gun is being cocked.
For total quiet during hunting(not reallt needed for most small game)wrap some oily thread around the pin. It's tedious, but it works. RB
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Msg. 277098  Posted by bcd on August 19, 2000 at 13:59:55:

In Reply to: How many grains = 1oz ? nt posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 11:28:54:

It's 7000 grains per pound, so Albert should be
right if the rest of his arithmetic is error free,
which eyeballs out to look close enough to me.
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Unc, postpone any further reports until a week or two...


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Msg. 277096  Posted by peter huppertz on August 19, 2000 at 13:57:49:

In Reply to: Test of the new Swift Model 677M scope....... posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 13:01:31:

... the waiting is killing me already as it is.
Aargh.

cheers,
peter
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Msg. 277095  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 13:57:20:

In Reply to: SPY EYE says: posted by Swinson on August 19, 2000 at 12:36:17:

Now THAT'S scary ! Got back in at 10:30 am. Up until a few minutes ago, I was outside testing a mess of different pellets in my BSA SilverStar. It's shooting Beeman Trophy's really well, but the 7.66 gr Chinese match wadcutters are producing very tight groups within 1/4" POI of the Trophys. I think I'll leave all the settings just where they are ! RB
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Msg. 277094  Posted by peter huppertz on August 19, 2000 at 13:54:23:

In Reply to: Re: Is there a swift scope that has little strength and a little more affordable. Thanks posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 13:44:11:

Mike Pearson and Russ Best have had one for quite a few months now, and as far as I heard they're still darn happy with it.

Check the URL below for details.

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Msg. 277093  Posted by bcd on August 19, 2000 at 13:54:06:

As I approached about 500 shots from a new R9, I
noticed that the cocking lever (pretty sure that's
the right term) was loose. I noticed it because
it would rattle a little when I'd tilt the gun,
which I had not detected when it was brand new.

One of my coworkers has several Beeman air guns,
and he said that the break-barrels all do that.

So far, I don't hear any squeaking noises. Closing
the barrel still has that satisfying clump sound
like a vault door closing.

I've now become more conscious of avoiding any
twisting force as I cock the gun. Also, I always
hold the barrel with a cotton cloth when cocking it,
so it's hard to get much axial torque on the barrel.
However, it's tough to make the cocking motion purely
a hinge axis rotation unless you use two hands on
the barrel and brace the stock "elsewhere". I don't
do that because I value body parts more than gun
parts :-)

Side to side play of the lever is pretty noticeable
now. When does one start to worry?
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Msg. 277092  Posted by Sammy on August 19, 2000 at 13:51:27:

In Reply to: Shipping an LDMkI with two 3.5 oz. tanks...... posted by Tony U. on August 19, 2000 at 13:37:28:

A lot of the guys have had bad luck with things getting damaged with UPS. I have never had that experience. Although I have used UPS and FedEx, I have been using Priority Mail a lot lately. I shipped 2 3.5 ounce tanks recently by Priority Mail and both tanks just happened to be empty. When I purchased them from Mac1 I believe they were shipped to me full of CO2 so I don't believe it matters. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
Bottom line is whoever you ship with, pack it well.
Good Luck
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Msg. 277091  Posted by Greg S on August 19, 2000 at 13:44:11:

In Reply to: Test of the new Swift Model 677M scope....... posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 13:01:31:


+


I live in ontario canada our taxes are killers
My rifle is 630/psi its pneumatic/co2.



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Msg. 277090  Posted by Sid Edgewater on August 19, 2000 at 13:42:53:

In Reply to: Starlings = Primary Target posted by Steve forbes on August 18, 2000 at 23:39:09:

When I first got into airgunning just a few months ago it was to eradicate some greydiggers in my backyard.I caught the airgun bug upon my first bead down of a section 8 flea flea rental.I wanted new targets.I have a friend in the country with a starling population.I thinkd it is interesting that the animals I chose to hunt are all the same ones discussed here on this forum(and others).I had not even seen these sights before then.
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Msg. 277089  Posted by Tony U. on August 19, 2000 at 13:37:28:

Is UPS the way to ship this pistol, and should the small tanks be empty? I'm saving for a rifle, so I'm about to put my pistol on Brad's Classifieds. Thanks.
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Msg. 277088  Posted by bcd on August 19, 2000 at 13:19:24:

In Reply to: SPY EYE says: posted by Swinson on August 19, 2000 at 12:36:17:

What kind of resolution are we talking?!
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Msg. 277087  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 13:01:31:

As promised, here are the results of my first tests of the new Swift Model 677M scope from Silver Streak Sports. As most of you know, this is a 6-24X50MM AO scope with target turrets, 1/4 minute adjustments, and a duplex reticle. After mounting the 677 on my HW-77, the first shot at 30 yards was 1.5 inches low, and 1 inch right. I fired a 3-shot group to settle the gun and scope in and verify POI, which measured a very satisfactory .42 inches. I moved the elevation adjustment first, since I wanted to see if it would intereact with the windage. This is very important in Field Target, since most fellows"click" up and down to compensate for range differences, and a good FT scope should allow precise elevation changes without any right or left movement. 12 clicks up produced a POI change of 1.5 inches at 30 yards, with no left or right deviation. So far so good! After firing another tight 3-shot group to verify that the setting held, I next moved the windage adjustment 10 clicks left, and the group moved exactly 1 inch to the left. I then fired a 10-shot group (Beeman FTS pellets) which formed one ragged hole in the center of the bull that measured .37 inches! WOW! Note that this was from a rifle rest, I certainly can't hold the gun that steady for ten consecutive shots without a rest.
A word about mounting the 677M: some guns may require higher mounts so the large AO bell doesn't contact the receiver or barrel. On my HW-77 the scope bell just barely cleared the receiver, but if I'd mounted it any further forward it wouldn't have cleared the barrel. The eye relief on the 677M is quite generous, which allows you some latitude in positioning it when mounting. The turret adjustments function smoothly, with just enough drag to hold them firmly in place. Resetting them is done exactly like the the Simmons 44 Mag: a small allen wrench is used to loosen the knob, then it's raised up and repositioned where you want it. The knobs are large and well marked making resetting a breeze. One thing I immediately noticed is the 677M has a good wide field of view even at the highest magnification, and down at 6X it is so bright and sharp that it would make a great varmint hunting scope, not just for airguns, but for rimfires and centerfires too. To test it's performance at 6X, I centered the number "6" on the 6 ring exactly in the crosshairs and drove an FTS right through it with one shot! Obviously the POI on the 677M doesn't vary when turned up or down in magnification. The range markings on the AO bell were a bit off on this particular scope; at an actual measured 30 yards the bell read 27 yards when in sharp focus. This is easily changed by loosening up the tiny AO set screw (jewelers screwdriver needed for this!) and simply rotating the bell to the 30 yard marking. I haven't tested this scope enough yet at greater distances to tell how accurate the rangefinding is beyond 30 yards, but I certainly will do so before I go to another FT match. In conclusion, I've tried hard to find something about the 677M that I don't like, since I hate to sound like an advertising blurb for Swift, but I just can't find any weak points. This is a very fine scope, has unbelievable quality for the price, and I think it's going to make a lot of shooters very happy! Marty and Bruce Mercer are to be commended for soliciting customer input before designing this scope, and then following through to make sure Swift implemented the suggestions. I think anyone would be very pleased with it, I know I am! Regards,
Unc
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Msg. 277086  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 12:59:57:

In Reply to: Okay I'll be the first to ask. Where's Russ??? posted by RGunn on August 19, 2000 at 12:30:50:

;-)

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who makes a short stock single shot (say that three times fast) bolt action Co2 rifle?


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Msg. 277085  Posted by Chris on August 19, 2000 at 12:59:35:

I'm getting my kids a Savage 15Y. I would like to have an airgun similar so they can practice in the bakyard.
Thanks,
Chris
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Re: Scoping older Sheridans


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Msg. 277084  Posted by Swinson on August 19, 2000 at 12:58:08:

In Reply to: Scoping older Sheridans posted by Quack on August 19, 2000 at 12:20:10:

Just give Tim a call, he'll hook you up with more options then you can count.
Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 277083  Posted by Wife on August 19, 2000 at 12:40:56:

In Reply to: Spouse in the house posted by JRW on August 19, 2000 at 01:31:00:

Hey guys, how far off can you get. None of you even answered this guy's question. First are you married? Second, just how does your wife feel about your airgun hobby? I as a wife would like to know how your wives feel?

The wife
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Msg. 277082  Posted by JRW on August 19, 2000 at 12:40:28:

In Reply to: Re: Spouse in the house posted by Randy from Va on August 19, 2000 at 08:19:36:

Yes and we love our toys.We also have an innate need to have a bigger,better,shinier toy than the next boy.If we can't invite them over to play with us,then we tell them all about it on the Net!
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Msg. 277081  Posted by Swinson on August 19, 2000 at 12:36:17:

In Reply to: Okay I'll be the first to ask. Where's Russ??? posted by RGunn on August 19, 2000 at 12:30:50:

He's at home sitting at his computer. He had a date last night...I can give you high angle photos if you want.

Regards,
Craig
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Re: Counting with my toes


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Msg. 277080  Posted by Swinson on August 19, 2000 at 12:33:54:

In Reply to: Re: Counting with my toes posted by Fred Filtstone on August 19, 2000 at 12:18:18:

I don't think pellets are in grams...they are in grains... so it's 8 grains not grams.

Regards,
Craig
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Okay I'll be the first to ask. Where's Russ???


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Msg. 277079  Posted by RGunn on August 19, 2000 at 12:30:50:

We all Know Russ had a hot date last night. So where is he this morning? FT match? I doubt it. :-)
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Re: Pro Sport vs. Texas Moonrise


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Msg. 277078  Posted by RGunn on August 19, 2000 at 12:27:18:

In Reply to: Pro Sport vs. Texas Moonrise posted by chasm on August 19, 2000 at 00:18:57:

Pretty hard to describe the feeling a man gets from handling his favorite rifle. But I surely know what you are talking about.

I know the other side as well. My wife is making me go to a wedding this afternoon :-(
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Msg. 277077  Posted by Pavel on August 19, 2000 at 12:25:36:

In Reply to: Does anyone make an airgun which looks like a sub machine gun?........nt posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 21:21:40:

http://izhmash.udm.ru/arms/junker.html

And they sold in US
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Re: A time for peace?


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Msg. 277076  Posted by RGunn on August 19, 2000 at 12:23:37:

In Reply to: A time for peace? posted by BDG on August 19, 2000 at 12:17:37:

Good advice, but don't be surprised if the warring parties don't listen. Some of their animosity runs deep. To bad, because their is a ton of wasted airgun knowledge between them all.

Best to stay neutral, and not feed the fire.
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Msg. 277075  Posted by Quack on August 19, 2000 at 12:20:10:

I have the Williams peep site installed on my hold down safety Sheridan. Was wondering how good of a mount the B-square's where that mount in the same tap holes of my peep? Any other better alternatives? Thanks,
Paul in MI
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Msg. 277074  Posted by Fred Filtstone on August 19, 2000 at 12:18:18:

In Reply to: Re: How many grains = 1oz ? nt posted by Fred Fintstone on August 19, 2000 at 11:33:59:

28.349523125 grams per oz (If you want to know)
8 grams per pellet
8 goes into 28.349523125, 3.54369039062 times


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A time for peace?


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Msg. 277073  Posted by BDG on August 19, 2000 at 12:17:37:

I don't post too much because I don't know to much but I do know that these forums, Straight Shooters, here, Anything Goes have all go in the crapper lately. I vote for amnesty for all and a fresh start for everyone. We have enough forces working against us, the ATF, anti-gun nuts, people doing stupid things with guns. If we can't even get along we are lost. just my two cents BDG
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Msg. 277072  Posted by RGunn on August 19, 2000 at 12:17:28:

In Reply to: Starlings = Primary Target posted by Steve forbes on August 18, 2000 at 23:39:09:

I know this sounds a bit hypocritical. But I really enjoy watching the antics of all the native song birds while I am waiting in my blind for the "yellow beaks" to arrive at the bait station. Don't ask me why, but I feel no remorse about sending a CP through a Starling that just replaced the finch at my feeder!

I might feel differently if the starlings co-habitated with the other birds, but they don't. When the starlings arrive, the other birds scatter, or risk being attacked by the "bullies of the birdfeeder"!


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7000 grains in 1#, 35#=245000grains, /7.9 grains = about 31000 pellets (nt)


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Msg. 277071  Posted by Albert on August 19, 2000 at 12:12:41:

In Reply to: (3.544*28)*35 = 3473.120 Pellets (I may have exaggerated) -nt- posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 11:47:25:



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You can post your guns in the airgun letter classifieds...URL inside..nt


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Msg. 277070  Posted by Chavez on August 19, 2000 at 12:03:25:

In Reply to: Selling Airguns posted by Denis Hershman on August 19, 2000 at 11:55:16:


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Msg. 277069  Posted by Don R. on August 19, 2000 at 12:02:07:

In Reply to: Selling Airguns posted by Denis Hershman on August 19, 2000 at 11:55:16:

Would suggest Brad Troyer's airgun classifieds page 'www.airguns.net/class_ad.html'. Folks go there specifically to buy / sell, and generally response is very good on appropriately priced items.
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Msg. 277068  Posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 11:57:22:

In Reply to: AirPistol Selection posted by Bill Russell on August 19, 2000 at 11:25:53:

If your'e talking about 10M there are a lot of
possibilities depending on price range. The
Beeman P3 comes to mind as it is single stroke
pneumatic and will be the least amount of hassel
compared to Co2 or precharged. The pistol is very
accurate at 10M but they cost about $130.00 ea.
Heres a review of that pistol (URL enclosed)
Tom L.

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Msg. 277067  Posted by Denis Hershman on August 19, 2000 at 11:55:16:

Hi, Folks:

I'm new to this forum so I don't know all the rules.

I have some air guns I'd like to sell and I was wondering if its all right to list them here or is there some other place where stuff is sold.

Thanks a lot.
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Msg. 277066  Posted by Chavez on August 19, 2000 at 11:53:30:

In Reply to: " FOR COLLECTORS " posted by donnie bryant on August 19, 2000 at 11:35:08:

DT offers a book on benji's history and guns.

hth,
Chavez

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Msg. 277065  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 11:48:14:

In Reply to: " FOR COLLECTORS " posted by donnie bryant on August 19, 2000 at 11:35:08:

for people who may know this info they could tell you more if you had the S\N # btw :all caps=yelling ..its rude
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Msg. 277064  Posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 11:47:25:

In Reply to: Re: How many grains = 1oz ? nt posted by Fred Fintstone on August 19, 2000 at 11:33:59:

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Msg. 277063  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 19, 2000 at 11:45:49:

In Reply to: I did ! posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 11:22:56:

Didn't mean any disrespect from earlier post above,
only teasing. Let us know how you make out with your
groupies, I mean groupings.ha,ha,ha.......
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Msg. 277062  Posted by donnie bryant on August 19, 2000 at 11:35:08:

I HAVE RECEANTLY RECIEVED A AIR GUN BUT DO NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT. IT DOES NOT HAVE A DATE. ALL IT THAT IS ON IT IS BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. CALL. 22. BENJAMIN AIR RIFLE CO. I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT SOME DATES ON WHEN IT WAS POSSIBLY MANUFACTURED.
SINCERLY,
DONNIE BRYANT
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Msg. 277061  Posted by Fred Fintstone on August 19, 2000 at 11:33:59:

In Reply to: How many grains = 1oz ? nt posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 11:28:54:

3.544 pellets per oz
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Msg. 277060  Posted by Don R. on August 19, 2000 at 11:32:08:

In Reply to: Seeking info on Hy-Score side-lever posted by Dusty on August 19, 2000 at 10:33:32:

This is a Hammerli from late 70's / early 80's, mdl 894 if memory serves. Decent gun, modest power. Mac-1 had quite a few of these for sale some months ago.
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Msg. 277059  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 11:30:00:

In Reply to: Yea but I never said I could afford too! Never claimed to be smart either! n/t posted by Anthony on August 19, 2000 at 06:51:05:


;-)
Unc
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Msg. 277058  Posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 11:28:54:

In Reply to: Re: Man my pellet trap weighs 35lb!! posted by Swinson on August 19, 2000 at 11:03:01:

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Msg. 277056  Posted by Bill Russell on August 19, 2000 at 11:25:53:

Hi;
I am an NRA Instructor and Advise a Law Enforcement Boy Scout Explorer program. I am thinking of starting an air pistol team. Any suggestions on type and quality of air pistols I should check out.

Saw info from Walther.

Thanks in advance.

Bill

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Msg. 277055  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 11:22:56:

In Reply to: Re: Ol' Russ won't be around tonite posted by Tom B on August 18, 2000 at 19:09:08:

Now let's see if I shoot any better today! HA RB
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Msg. 277054  Posted by Swinson on August 19, 2000 at 11:21:31:

In Reply to: Ol' Russ won't be around tonite posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 19:05:57:

I certainly hope she likes airguns!

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 277053  Posted by RBest on August 19, 2000 at 11:14:58:

In Reply to: Beeman monoblock lever pin-removal... posted by Alan in GA on August 18, 2000 at 22:40:19:

Alan: A little of both. Drill out the center using a drill that's probably 1/2 the diameter of the pin, then knock the pin thru with a punch. RB
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Msg. 277052  Posted by Swinson on August 19, 2000 at 11:03:01:

In Reply to: Man my pellet trap weighs 35lb!! posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 10:42:02:

Is that from the added weight of lead in the putty or did you just forget how heavy it was. That's a lot of lead at say 8gr a shot.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 277050  Posted by Roland Martens on August 19, 2000 at 10:45:51:

In Reply to: Spouse in the house posted by JRW on August 19, 2000 at 01:31:00:

It's easy... you have only two alternatives:
1.-Get her involved too, buy her an R9 or something and compete together.

If this fails...

2.-Buy her a Ming or something she really desires and is as expensive as your hobby.

This way she is'nt gonna feel 2nd place!
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Msg. 277049  Posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 10:42:02:

I moved the thing for the first time in months
the putty is still holding up, but I couldn't
believe how heavy it is. Think I'll wait til
it gets to about 50# then re-putty.
Just babblin
Tom L.
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Msg. 277048  Posted by Dusty on August 19, 2000 at 10:33:32:

By brother-in-law has a Hy-Score side lever in .177 caliber that was given to him and he is seeking any information about it that he can. It is 44" long, .177 caliber, the stock is 27 1/4" long and was made in Germany for Hy-Score Arms Corp. Brooklyn N.Y. USA.
I have not seen it, but I do know that the side lever was broken and welded it has a number of 12898 on it. If anyone has any idea what it is worth he is interested in selling it since he uses it very little.
Thank you for any info.
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Msg. 277047  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 10:32:42:

In Reply to: Why I became a machinist posted by CJ on August 19, 2000 at 10:13:29:

my moms a machinist..man yer dreamin :)
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Msg. 277046  Posted by Steve B. on August 19, 2000 at 10:30:21:

In Reply to: Range for IZH 61 posted by Jason on August 19, 2000 at 00:13:55:

Jason: I can hit cans at forty six yards (very regularly) if I crank the scope up to 12, adjust the AO to 50 and use about 3/4 of the lower half of the verticle rectile. Then I give it time cause it takes a while to get there (...pink). What the paper groups size looks like I haven't a clue.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 277044  Posted by Jeff guinan on August 19, 2000 at 10:26:31:

In Reply to: Re: DIY spinners posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 18, 2000 at 20:05:51:



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Msg. 277042  Posted by Driskill on August 19, 2000 at 10:25:23:

In Reply to: Re: Breaking in a springer posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 21:54:32:


You might want to buy the "Airgun Revue no. 1," in which Tom Gaylord wrote an excellent article on breaking in a Webley C1 carbine.

Just about any springer works better after a couple thousand shots than when new. It's more noticeable on some guns than others, e.g. the Webleys in particular go from really rough to pretty sweet during the process.

Don't let the word get around, though. You can pick up some real bargains on next-to-new used guns from guys who just aren't patient enough to break them in! Just check out Brad's page any time and look at the RWS 48's fired "only 50 times," etc.
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Msg. 277041  Posted by Jeff Guinan on August 19, 2000 at 10:21:05:

In Reply to: Ol' Russ won't be around tonite posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 19:05:57:


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Msg. 277040  Posted by Tom L. on August 19, 2000 at 10:18:22:

In Reply to: Why I became a machinist posted by CJ on August 19, 2000 at 10:13:29:

nt
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Msg. 277039  Posted by CJ on August 19, 2000 at 10:13:29:

Why I became a Machinist
I looked at a lot of different jobs and here is what I found out about machinists.
When machinists go hunting, they generally get bigger deer than most folks. When they go fishing, they generally catch so many fish that their arms get tired from reeling them in.
Machinists tend to be better looking than the average. This means they have better social lives than almost anybody else. At least that's what I heard.
Machinists almost always have better-looking spouses, smarter kids, greener lawns, redder roses, and generally seem to have fewer weeds in the garden. Their cars seem to run a little faster and use a little less gas. Things generally seem to work better for a machinist than they do for the rest of the world.
Machinists do things that no one else can do. They live and excel in a world where things too small to see make a big difference. They possess special skills and unique knowledge.
Machinists do real work in a world full of made-up stuff. Machinists make real things like cars and tools and a better America.
Machinists tend to be more honest, better friends, and slightly better adjusted than the world in general. It comes from making a career in a professional world of exact specifications and real deadlines. It seems to show in their character.
Machinists just generally seem to be clearly superior human beings, which is why I am a machinist. That and all the good jobs were taken. And now for the rest of the story. They sometimes stick parts of their bodies where they mangle them or sever them,by being to involved in the end product than the process.But it all comes down to the one person that gave me a chance and thought I had the skill, taught me to do the job and think on my feet. For that I thank you.

CJ


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Msg. 277038  Posted by Driskill on August 19, 2000 at 10:13:02:

In Reply to: Just curious...velocity... posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 17:26:42:


The wimpiest, non-broken airgun I ever chrono'd was a Diana model 2 "gat" pistol. It shot less than 150 fps, ever punier than the infamous Marksman pistols, though admittedly with pellets instead of BB's.

The straight-push action of this pistol made it a nightmare to cock and impossible to shoot with any accuracy at all. In spite of the quality of its construction, it is a mystery to me that guns like this were actually popular in their day.
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Msg. 277037  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 10:12:05:

In Reply to: You'll shoot your eye out kid! posted by trevor on August 19, 2000 at 07:39:24:

loved that movie..i like the scene with the over dressed kid..in 1st grade that happined to me..mom over dressed me for school in winter..fell and wasnt able to get up..yelled my head off for what seemed like 5 minutes before some one helped me up..scarry then & funny now
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Msg. 277036  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 10:07:38:

In Reply to: broken air rifle? posted by SM on August 19, 2000 at 09:08:29:

both replys lead to one thing:it dieseled big time and poped the pistol seal or broke the spring..see if you can fix or get it fixed
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Msg. 277035  Posted by Tir on August 19, 2000 at 10:01:20:

In Reply to: broken air rifle? posted by SM on August 19, 2000 at 09:08:29:

Sounds like initially the rifle was dieseling, but now has 'settled down' some. Often in a new gun the first shots tend to burn off exces lubes and the result can be an almost firearm-like bang (and sometimes smoke from the breech), and irregularly higher power. This is normal, and if the workings of the gun are still smooth probably nothing to worry about. If on the other hand you find the gun to be 'sticky' or hear things rattling or grinding you may have indeed broken something.

hth,
Tim
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Msg. 277034  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 19, 2000 at 09:35:35:

In Reply to: broken air rifle? posted by SM on August 19, 2000 at 09:08:29:

Does the cocking or firing sound different or grinding? I would suspect a broken spring might make a funny sound.

Do you have access to a chronograph? If not, do you remember a certain penetration into a piece of wood or clay or coke can, etc. You can also estimate a dramtic decrease in fps if the pellets hit ver much lower than usual at moderate to long distances. If the fps of the pellet is dramatically lower, then you probably have a broken a spring.

You can occasionally see pellets in a functional gun due to lighting conditions, but if you mean you saw it and it appeared much slower, then its probably broke.

It is also possible that you might have bought the same pellets, but they might fit tighter or looser in the barrel making the firing sequence sound different.

Obviously I defer to those more learned should you provide more information to aid thier diagnosis.
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Msg. 277032  Posted by Randy from Va on August 19, 2000 at 09:26:23:

In Reply to: Re: Spouse in the house posted by Ryp on August 19, 2000 at 09:15:26:

Yea, I have 5 cars and a 48" 30cc homelite gas boat!!
Think of getting rid of all but the Monster truck and
boat... Looking at the R9 Goldfinger...
I have a 10th scale On Road that does 0-60 in about 2seconds
that I race in Waldorf Md on occasion...

This hobby tend to lean more towards the more mature crowd
rather than snotty nose 12 year old spoiled kid!
Something I really don't care to deal with when I'm
off duty!!!

Randy
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Msg. 277031  Posted by Ryp on August 19, 2000 at 09:15:26:

In Reply to: Spouse in the house posted by JRW on August 19, 2000 at 01:31:00:

Hey Randy, I run a GT and Nitro Stampede! Heck yeah, this is much cheaper than racing especially if you travel from race to race! Airgunning is the ultimate in stealth and challenge, but.....I love the smell of NITRO in the morning.
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Msg. 277030  Posted by Nik on August 19, 2000 at 09:11:36:

In Reply to: Does anyone make an airgun which looks like a sub machine gun?........nt posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 21:21:40:

A number of the chineese guns bear a resemblence to sub guns. The TF-6 looks somewgat kike a Sten or Grease Gun.
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Msg. 277029  Posted by Ryp on August 19, 2000 at 09:11:29:

In Reply to: You'll shoot your eye out kid! posted by trevor on August 19, 2000 at 07:39:24:

Yeah, who'll ever shake the term "you'll shoot yer eye out!"? I love to watch the beginning of the movie "Men at Work". This one captures some moments in my history...hehehehhhe. Love it!
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Msg. 277028  Posted by SM on August 19, 2000 at 09:08:29:

i have the b21 air rifle and when i shot it a couple times it was pretty powerful, but then i ran outta pellets so then a couple days later i got some more, same kind, and it didn't make that loud bang like it did at first. also it didn't seem too powerful or accurate. one time i actually saw the pellet. is my gun broke or anything wrong with it? thank you
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Msg. 277027  Posted by Driskill on August 19, 2000 at 08:41:25:

In Reply to: Airgunaholic posted by Sid Edgewater on August 17, 2000 at 22:01:35:


My sympathies, you poor old sod...

I saw my first Beeman catalog in 1985. Since then I've owned 61 airguns, and have 20 in the closet at the moment.

You are DOOMED.
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Msg. 277026  Posted by Driskill on August 19, 2000 at 08:37:46:

In Reply to: how does Beeman P1+Crow Magnum Pellet for (rodent)hunting sound??? posted by steve on August 17, 2000 at 23:06:36:


I agree with the comments about hollow-points not doing much expanding at pistol velocities. BUT the RWS H-point is a well-made pellet that penetrates well for a hollowpoint. If it shoots accurately in your gun, by all means use it, just don't expect miracles of explosive destruction.

You might want to consider a light springer rifle instead for this sort of close-range pest shooting. Even a little gun like the R7 shoots quite a bit harder than a P1, can usually be found cheaper, is much easier to shoot accurately even with open sights, and is almost as easy to carry.

Don't get me wrong, I love my P1, but I have an old Diana 27 that I picked up for 50 bucks, a HW 50 beater that cost little more, and an R7 that all shame it in both accuracy and power.
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Msg. 277025  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 19, 2000 at 08:34:30:

In Reply to: Does anyone make an airgun which looks like a sub machine gun?........nt posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 21:21:40:

The larc bb machine gun looked like a futuristic machinegun. Out of production for years, about $75 to $150 used.

Starfire makes the same gun used in carnivals: http://www.nextfrontier.net/starfire/

There are numerous airsoft examples of machine guns.

The skan looks like an assault rifle.

The IZH-61 resembles a futuristic machine gun.

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Msg. 277024  Posted by Driskill on August 19, 2000 at 08:24:22:

In Reply to: seeking info on old airgun posted by mitch on August 19, 2000 at 01:06:20:


"Em-Ge" is the manufacturer, a phonetic spelling of M-G (Moritz & Gerstenberger). Do not confuse with Mayer & Grammelspacher, maker of "Diana" guns! "Zenit" is the model name.

As Trevor mentioned, these are prewar though rather common as collector pistols go, and were copied by Milbro after the war.
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Msg. 277023  Posted by Randy from Va on August 19, 2000 at 08:19:36:

In Reply to: Spouse in the house posted by JRW on August 19, 2000 at 01:31:00:

I can tell you that this "hobby" is ALOT cheaper
than my previous one, which was Nitro RC Racing..
In the last year I spent over 7k!!! My wife is
more than happy since I decided I didn't need another
500+ toy car!! Plus this hobby relates itself to
my day job, (the trigger control that is)!...

Remember the human male is the "hunter" and we tend
to look for every possible edge we can have on the
prey we stalk... Maybe that is why we have the
unstoppable desire to make every weapon we handle
that much effective and efficient..

Not a sermon, just a thought!
You gotta kill it before ya can grill it!!!!

Randy
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Msg. 277022  Posted by jukt on August 19, 2000 at 08:16:38:

In Reply to: springers not so good posted by James Kitching on August 19, 2000 at 03:31:52:

For $69.00 I got a 38d, a cheap 4X 22 scope, a cleaning kit, and a pack of pellets.

It is my first air gun, and I am happy with it and Compasseco. It is very accurate at about 15 yards, and I have not learned to shoot it well yet at longer distances.

It is well worth the price.

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Msg. 277019  Posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 07:45:02:

In Reply to: Looking for red dot sight for IZH-61 posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 20:46:58:

Have a look at the Tasco Mini-Mag($47) and the TF96($36). Both these red dots are short and should work okay on the 61.
Joe at Golden Toller recommends the Mini-Mag because it doesn't interfere with the mag release button.
Some of the cheap Crosman red dots have parallax problems and fuzzy dots from what I have read.
The better red dots have intensity adjustment which help tune the dot to the lighting .
Later,
Todd
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Msg. 277018  Posted by Alan in GA on August 19, 2000 at 07:43:07:

Have one that is on only second fill and no shots out of that fill! Got lots of projects and now that new house is next door, loud shots are out. Also have 'low power' wheel sent by Tim at RWS but not in gun yet. Just curious what lowest price you've seen around. May make this one real attractive. It's a 22, of course. alan in ga
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Msg. 277017  Posted by trevor on August 19, 2000 at 07:39:24:

Just watched Ralphie and his Red Ryder again on TCM.Never get sick of this flick which captures a time in my life so accurately!
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Msg. 277016  Posted by trevor on August 19, 2000 at 07:27:15:

In Reply to: seeking info on old airgun posted by mitch on August 19, 2000 at 01:06:20:

Made between 1935-39.In post war period copied by Millards in Scotland and Stiga,Sweden.
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Msg. 277015  Posted by TCooper on August 19, 2000 at 07:21:45:

In Reply to: Range for IZH 61 posted by Jason on August 19, 2000 at 00:13:55:

At 10 meters my gun will group 5 pellets into .20" ctc.
At 20 meters it will group 5 into 5/8" ctc.
Much more than 20-25 meters and the drop gets to be like a rainbow. Wind will effect accuarcy to a great degree at further distances.
On a calm day you might be able to lob usable groups at 30 meters. I can hit pop cans at 30 meters with heavy hold over.
The muzzle velocity of these guns varies between 400-480fps with 7.9gr pellets.
HTH,
Todd
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Msg. 277014  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 07:19:31:

In Reply to: what do you mean by " too slow " ??? NT... posted by nin1974 on August 18, 2000 at 12:32:38:

nin, to expand an H point needs the speed a P1 doesnt have..as the rws H point is thin it may do ok..try this in soap at 15 yrds to see
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Msg. 277013  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 07:14:26:

In Reply to: Re: what do you mean by " too slow " ??? NT... posted by Chris Farhi on August 18, 2000 at 18:37:07:


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Msg. 277012  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 07:02:01:

In Reply to: I agree posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 18:49:34:

the more you live the more you learn. the less youve lived the less youve learned..btw respect is earned not given..the thing is you have to have some time under yer life belt before you get respect
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Msg. 277011  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 06:56:01:

In Reply to: M Boyle and others posted by matt sudol on August 18, 2000 at 18:35:34:

matt, i guess i hurt yer feelings ..wasnt my intent. as you get older youll find, you dont use a screwdriver as a prybar, you dont use a knife as a screwdriver, and you dont use BBs in a pellet gun. use the tools as they are intended and be safe. what you dont learn from dad try to learn from books. gun safety is serious business. the antigun types get a sick joy out of hearing some kid who checked to see if a gun was loaded by looking down the barrel and pulling the trigger..it gives them ammo to ban guns.the better "precaution"wouldnt be use a paintball mask and do the dumb thing..the better "precaution"wouldbe dont do the dumb thing in the first place.
this is from a guy who was raise by his mom..no dad just mom..btw at 14 i stabbed my chin with a screwdriver..so we all do dumb things..some times repeatedly
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Msg. 277010  Posted by Anthony on August 19, 2000 at 06:51:05:

In Reply to: Yeah, but I ain't got your money Anthony..... [GRIN!] posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 00:40:34:

n/t
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Msg. 277009  Posted by M Boyle on August 19, 2000 at 06:12:44:

In Reply to: Could anybody reccomend a half descent bushnell scope posted by Greg S on August 18, 2000 at 19:55:56:


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Msg. 277006  Posted by Slug on August 19, 2000 at 05:50:02:

In Reply to: Check this gun out.... posted by Defiance on August 18, 2000 at 21:39:26:

- I realize different people like different things,
-and some people are located where lead-pellet firing guns are harder to own,
-but I think that I would get bored with an airsoft gun in about 20 minutes. Which in this case, pegs its price at roughly $15 per minute, well out of my price range for leisure activities. - Slug
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Msg. 276998  Posted by Steve B. on August 19, 2000 at 03:37:31:

In Reply to: IZH-61 Help Needed posted by Vlad B on August 19, 2000 at 01:25:25:

Vlad: Somebody else did this a few days ago. The post may still be online down below. Good luck...

The only child that handles my 61 is 52;).

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 276997  Posted by James Kitching on August 19, 2000 at 03:31:52:

In Reply to: Tech Force airguns: any good? posted by TK on August 18, 2000 at 22:52:31:

Poor build quality, over rated power
Xisico brand is far superior, similar pricing.
url below for details and LOTS of user comments

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Msg. 276996  Posted by Jon S on August 19, 2000 at 02:24:41:

In Reply to: Re: IZH-61 Magazine and rear sight posted by docwells on August 18, 2000 at 15:38:51:

Re inserts (front): I've had good luck with 'Shavers' inserts purchased from Brownells's gunsmith supplies (large Lymann size). Instead of the usual thick post or crossbars supporting an aperture ring, these have spidery crosshairs to a fine ring (plus plain crosshairs, post only, etc.
They are made of thin spring steel and come as a card set (break-off individual inserts). The only fitting needed is to slightly narrow one of the alignment tabs (Lyman uses one thicker, IZH has both sides identical). I used a sheetmetal 'nibbler' but careful filing w/o excess flexing should also work. Between $10-15 per set-excellent!
My rear aperture is the Crosman (411?) plus B-Square dovetail riser from Golden Toller.
Be patient during the first 500 rounds or so, till things smooth up and the group sizes shrink. With pellets YOUR 61 likes, it's capable of 5 thru a .20 hole at 25ft from a rest (tho I'd have bet not for the first few hundred rounds). Mine likes Crosman wadcutters.
Have fun.
Jon S.
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Msg. 276994  Posted by Chazzz on August 19, 2000 at 02:17:16:

In Reply to: Some BB toys are worth having... posted by scot on August 18, 2000 at 17:51:54:

I don't disagree, all I am saying is that if one spends their entire airgun budget on 5 toys instead of one quality airgun that will yield far better results one will not be satisfied. I have many toys, and enjoy them all, but if that was all it took I wouldn't be in the "airgun debt" I am in now ;^P
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Msg. 276993  Posted by James Kitching on August 19, 2000 at 01:53:52:

In Reply to: Loose scope rail on XS-B4... posted by Josh P. on August 18, 2000 at 15:36:37:

Find out where your piston seal stops when cocked. You can drill holes behind it, but not on, or in front.
Use fine thread screws, at least 40 tpi or more.
Also glue the rail down with Goop, get it at Walmart or soem Auto parts stores.
You will have to make sure that the screws do not protrude past the cylinder wall.
I have nevr seen this model, so these are generic instructions.
Just use common sense, dont drill a hole where it will interefere with anything or into a compression chamber.

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Msg. 276991  Posted by JRW on August 19, 2000 at 01:31:00:

I've been reading the posts here and on another forum. I am awaiting the delivery of a new RWS 54.It seemed the logical choice after deciding I wanted a bigger caliber recoilless gun that did not have the extra expense of air tanks,adapters,etc.I'm hoping I will thoroughly enjoy this gun just the way it comes out of the box. It is so easy to get caught up into the perfectionism of the gun and lose site of the shooting.I haven't even gotten the dumb thing yet and I'm already worried about upgrading the trigger,spring, and doing other tweaks.I don't even know if I'll personally need any changes to it.Didn't the engineers work out all the bugs before they put it on the market anyway?Would all of those tunes run me into diminishing returns.Have any of you ever felt/thought this way too. Besides,don't you guys have wives?How do you manage to spend so much money on toys without spousel approval?I was doing just fine with the gun I had until I started reading this forum.
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Msg. 276990  Posted by Vlad B on August 19, 2000 at 01:25:25:

My son accidently pulled the trigger while cocking an IZH-61. The cocking lever stocked in the middle and wouldn't cock further. What should I do to cock or uncock the rifle? Thanks.
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Msg. 276989  Posted by Paul on August 19, 2000 at 01:17:22:

In Reply to: Re: Why would you want to kill frogs? posted by Bob Miller on August 18, 2000 at 22:50:47:

Hee-hee... oh yeah, I forgot : )
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Msg. 276985  Posted by James Kitching on August 19, 2000 at 01:11:09:

In Reply to: Looking for red dot sight for IZH-61 posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 20:46:58:

See my siter a good red dot.
url

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Msg. 276983  Posted by mitch on August 19, 2000 at 01:06:20:

I have a German air pistol from the beginning of the 20th century. The markings on the gun are as follows:

(on the handle)EM-GE
(on the top) >ZenitEm-GeIt is a .177 caliber single pump.

I'd like to know more about this gun. Can you help?
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Msg. 276982  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 19, 2000 at 00:56:04:

In Reply to: Old Daisy Pellets posted by Bob Miller on August 18, 2000 at 23:17:42:

Some small value ($3 - $4 maybe) as a collectable, no value for shooting.
DT Fletcher
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Msg. 276981  Posted by RandyB on August 19, 2000 at 00:50:07:

In Reply to: Pistols posted by CurtB on August 18, 2000 at 17:54:23:

I have a CP-88 and a Colt, and I like them fine as fun guns. However, I try to get to the range every couple of weeks to shoot firearms (including my .45) so I don't have any real feel for using them to simulate firearms. I don't like either one double action.
Just my two cents.
RandyB
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Msg. 276980  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 00:48:14:

In Reply to: Re: Ol' Russ won't be around tonite posted by chasm on August 18, 2000 at 21:18:49:

;-)
Unc

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Msg. 276979  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 00:44:39:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for red dot sight for IZH-61 posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 21:23:48:

I agree with Wade, I also like the 25MM Simmons Red Dot which comes with 3/8" dovetail mounts, last I knew Natchez S.S. had them for $36.95. Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276978  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 19, 2000 at 00:40:34:

In Reply to: Re:Damn Unc, when I get something new to play with I take OFF work! n/t posted by Anthony Storey on August 18, 2000 at 21:34:08:

Cheers! ;-)
Unc

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Msg. 276976  Posted by bcd on August 19, 2000 at 00:34:40:

In Reply to: It's not any kind of reflex... posted by John Sa. on August 18, 2000 at 23:03:37:

I've had a few jackrabbits, everything gone from
the shoulders up, thrash around kicking up dust for
a very long time. Those were long range firearms
shots (typ. >100 yards), and they'd continue to
thrash darn near long enough for me to walk the
whole distance.

Also, ever seen the proverbial chicken with its
head cut off? Messy business. Though I expect
birds react differently than mammals.

I'm sure you're right about the reaction being
nervous action. What struck me as odd were the
cases where the animal seemed to be pre-programmed
to run for cover, as opposed to just randomly
thrashing about. Admittedly that may have been
just random motion (note how he managed to resist
using the term "random walk" :-)

Another example from my personal experience are
doves. Immediately on picking up a bird (giving
all appearance of being dead), I pull off the head
to facilitate bleeding it out. Once in awhile,
with the head and sometimes the entire spine pulled
out, it proceeds to flap its wings violently.
Again, birds probably are "different".
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Msg. 276975  Posted by DonC on August 19, 2000 at 00:28:05:

In Reply to: DIY spinners posted by Albert on August 18, 2000 at 18:13:24:

Hang short 1" chuncks of steel pipe (various diameters) from wire. A pipe cutter makes the job a breeze.
Don
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Msg. 276973  Posted by DonC on August 19, 2000 at 00:23:01:

Northern Illinois Field Target is this Sunday at Plainfield, Illinois at the Hickory Hills Rod and Gun Club. Gate opens at 8:00 and match starts at 9:30. Weather forcast is perfect. Hope you can come and join the fun.
E-mail for directions if you need them.
Don
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Msg. 276971  Posted by chasm on August 19, 2000 at 00:18:57:

Fellow Airgunners,

Having a hard time deciding which is prettier, tonight's moonrise here in Austin, or the Pro Sport with Leupold 6.5-20 AO Walnut stocked air rifle in my hands. Fortunately, I don't have to chose between them. On the other hand, I'd better retire from this esteemed group and pay some attention to a certain person or else I may be in trouble. Adios!

chasm
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Msg. 276969  Posted by BCall on August 19, 2000 at 00:18:03:

In Reply to: Re: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? - depends on what you want it to do... posted by James L on August 18, 2000 at 10:42:57:

James, whats the weight difference between the two stocks? I bought mine for the heck of it, and it has been extremely fun, so much in fact I have considered upgrading to the walnut myself, for the extra weight. Crosman wants $85 dollars for just the stock(isn't that ridiculous), and I was just wondering if it was worth my time to sell this one and buy the walnut. Thanks for the help, Bill
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Msg. 276968  Posted by Jason on August 19, 2000 at 00:17:37:

In Reply to: YA but You'll use all the free bb's in 1.25m then what? nt posted by Tom L. on August 18, 2000 at 22:30:21:

Electrics are also used for skirmishing.
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Msg. 276966  Posted by Jason on August 19, 2000 at 00:13:55:

What's the max range for this russian gun and what kind of grouping's can you get at it? Thanks
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Msg. 276965  Posted by chasm on August 19, 2000 at 00:10:09:

In Reply to: Crosman 167 posted by jon on August 17, 2000 at 23:15:40:

jon,

I've got a Ron Robinson modified 167 that I will never part with. It is a piece of art and a shooter. Call Ron if you want some poop about 167's. (512-894-0777) HTH

chasm
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Msg. 276963  Posted by Greg S on August 18, 2000 at 23:53:20:

In Reply to: Greg at my site, I carry them (the Swifts) .... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 18, 2000 at 23:27:24:

15% tax SUCKS!!!
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Msg. 276961  Posted by Steve forbes on August 18, 2000 at 23:39:09:

Starlings kill over 25% of our Native Cavity nestind birds every year.
Who cares? I do because after 28 years on this
earth, I saw my first Downy Woodpecker that is a
damn shame. I should be able to see one every day.
I was 26 before I saw my first Blue Bird.

Lots of people think that this is just an airgunners excuse to
find a legal target to shoot, but I don't my kids
to have to ask me what a blue bird or a woodpecker
is. I want to be able to show them.

So have fun, knock off a few starlings and know that
you will be helping the environment if you like it
or not.

Thanks

Happy Shooting

Steve (aka) Starlingkiller


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Msg. 276960  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 18, 2000 at 23:36:40:

In Reply to: A-Team reg question posted by JonF. on August 18, 2000 at 21:29:45:

It means that the chamber in the reg will only allow 1800 psi into it. After the psi in the main air chamber goes below 1800 psi you are "off" the regulator, and the gun will continue to shoot as though it is unregulated until empty of air.

An unregulated PCP gun is somewhat self regulating to a small degree. The hammer spring is set in strength, so when the psi is high in the air chamber the hammer can only open the valve a small amount so less air is expelled. As the psi goes down the hammer is able to open the valve for a longer duration and so allows more air to discharge, somewhat making up for the constantly diminishing pressure. A regugulator also limits the amount of air discharged to a specific volumn that in in the chamber of the regulator.

HTH
Marty
SSSports

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Msg. 276957  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on August 18, 2000 at 23:31:08:

In Reply to: RX-1 problems need help, posted by TimH on August 18, 2000 at 10:52:20:

Hi Tim H:

The Rx-1 safety\trigger problem is usually due to re-assemblying the trigger guard without holding in the safety reset switch. If you're not experienced with airgun repairs, it would be best to send it in to Beeman's. If you are experienced, here's what to do.

Happy shooting,

Tom Jue/ca/usa
.................................

Beeman RX-1 SHOP MANUAL Page 14

Disassembly/Assembly, Procedure:
3. Remove the trigger guard...When replacing the trigger guard unit, ensure that the safety retaining pin is in position. It is suppose to protrude a little for easy removal. next, make sure the trigger mechanism is not cocked. If it is, uncock it by pulling the trigger. Now - VERY IMPORTANT - hold the safety button in the OFF-fire position (red showing) while positioning the trigger guard into its cut out in the stock and also while installing and securing the front trigger guard screw.

If the safety is not held in the OFF-fire position it will bind on the sear (H2048a), and when the front stock screw is tightened, both parts could be damaged and/or broken. After fully securing the trigger guard screws, ensure that the safety button moves freely prior to attempting to cock the gun. The safety is automaticand will only come to its full ON position once the gun is cocked. Only with the gun cocked can the safety be reset from OFF to On using the safety reset lever (H2058).

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Msg. 276954  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 18, 2000 at 23:27:24:

In Reply to: Re: Where can i find these scopes on line posted by Greg S on August 18, 2000 at 22:52:41:

Click the Swift scope link, and scroll down the page to the table. For your gun, you don't need more than the 676 4-12x40mm. $125 + ship.

URL below
Marty
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Msg. 276944  Posted by Bob Miller on August 18, 2000 at 23:17:42:

I found an old hardware store today that had several boxes of Daisy 22 cal. pellets.
They are in a tin box with hinged lid (yellow and black) made in United Kingdom.
They are probably 20 or more years old. $1.89 per 200. Is this a good deal?
Are they good pellets?
Bob
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Msg. 276939  Posted by Swinson on August 18, 2000 at 23:03:39:

In Reply to: Check this gun out.... posted by Defiance on August 18, 2000 at 21:39:26:

Airsoft and Replicas abound all over the internet.
They even sell "tunes for airsoft and replica guns.
3 inch groups at 25 feet is common

Regards,
Craig

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Msg. 276938  Posted by John Sa. on August 18, 2000 at 23:03:37:

In Reply to: AGAIN FOLKS: " In both cases, the brain was scrambled. " posted by bcd on August 18, 2000 at 20:48:48:

I've heard of this happening when the subject was too far to hear the shot before the thrashing started.

It's just a matter of scrambling the neurons. Although the consciousness is already gon, the individual neurons are still alive and firing, but all of the connections are randomized by the scrambling. That make a lot of random things happen including random, uncontrolled movement. Shots that ruin the brainstem cause an instant no reflex drop because they sever the connection of the brain to the muscle system.
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Msg. 276937  Posted by Greg S on August 18, 2000 at 22:59:41:

In Reply to: Just got a new scope today... posted by SWAT955 on August 18, 2000 at 22:44:57:

Thanks
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Msg. 276936  Posted by TK on August 18, 2000 at 22:59:34:

In Reply to: I agree posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 18:49:34:



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Msg. 276934  Posted by Greg S on August 18, 2000 at 22:52:41:

In Reply to: First impressions of the new Swift 6-24X50 target scope.... posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 20:59:40:

One a little less stronger?
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Msg. 276933  Posted by TK on August 18, 2000 at 22:52:31:

I was just at www.compasseco.com, looking at Tech Force guns. They same very cheap for guns made of metal and wood. Are they any good? Also has anyone here ordered from www.compasseco.com?
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Msg. 276932  Posted by Bob Miller on August 18, 2000 at 22:50:47:

In Reply to: Why would you want to kill frogs? posted by Paul on August 18, 2000 at 19:35:17:

Fried frog legs....Yummmmm
Bob :-)
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Msg. 276931  Posted by Greg S on August 18, 2000 at 22:48:15:

In Reply to: First impressions of the new Swift 6-24X50 target scope.... posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 20:59:40:

Where can i find these scopes on line is there any a littleless stronger.My rifle is only 630/psi. Thanks
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Msg. 276930  Posted by SWAT955 on August 18, 2000 at 22:46:43:

In Reply to: Check this gun out.... posted by Defiance on August 18, 2000 at 21:39:26:

nt
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Msg. 276929  Posted by Bob Miller on August 18, 2000 at 22:46:03:

In Reply to: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? posted by Eli Gratz on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:46:

I bought my 1077 at a pawn shop. It was like new and all it needed was a clip.
I got it for $20.00. It is one of my favorite plinkers and very accurate at 10 meters.
Bob
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Msg. 276928  Posted by SWAT955 on August 18, 2000 at 22:44:57:

I was just looking through the wal-mart sporting goods section for the first time in a while and i saw a nice scope for 78$. It was a 4-12 by 50 made by BSA. After some thought i bought it and mounted it on my marlin .22 and it looks downright cool and i cant wait to try it out on some woodchucks. Anyone have this scope? It says its a "classic" whatever that means. Anyone with experience with this scope? Any info appreciated.

thanks

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Msg. 276927  Posted by Mike in Indy on August 18, 2000 at 22:40:45:

In Reply to: Re: Help with HW-97 problem - any gunsmiths? posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 15:19:54:

Thanks for the suggestion. One thing - after the gun had dieseled I fired it 20 or 30 times. How could the skirt of a pellet have remained in the bore?

Thanks,

Mike

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Msg. 276926  Posted by Alan in GA on August 18, 2000 at 22:40:19:

How hard is it to drive this pin out. Bought the R1 22 barrel on Brad's page and will put it on my R9 with steel gate spring/top hat/accuglide seal setup. Had a R10 in 22 and really miss it. Hope the R9 fills the bill.
The lever pin looks a bit swaged on ends. Drill or drive out? Need new pin from JM? thanks, alan in ga.
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Msg. 276925  Posted by ron on August 18, 2000 at 22:36:31:

In Reply to: N Cal FT shooters or matches??? posted by K.B. on August 18, 2000 at 18:41:23:

http://www.napanet.net/~perfcomp/californiafieldtarget/index.html
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Msg. 276924  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 18, 2000 at 22:30:40:

There was a recent thread about the lubrication of the vintage Hyscore pistols. Anyone interested in this should read Smith's on the subject. He states that the Hyscore is very prone to dieseling, in fact, he states that up to 90fps of the velocity of these guns is from dieseling (not sure how he determined this.) Smith even notes that, when fired in the dark, sparks are seen to come from the barrel.
DT Fletcher
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Msg. 276923  Posted by Tom L. on August 18, 2000 at 22:30:21:

In Reply to: Check this gun out.... posted by Defiance on August 18, 2000 at 21:39:26:

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Msg. 276922  Posted by Greg J. on August 18, 2000 at 22:25:27:

In Reply to: Adjusting the Daisy Electronic Point Sight posted by Crane on August 18, 2000 at 21:41:07:

Crane,
Have you tried shooting after the adjustments were made on the sight to see if the point of impact had changed?
G.J.
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Msg. 276921  Posted by Greg J. on August 18, 2000 at 22:10:58:

In Reply to: Pistols posted by CurtB on August 18, 2000 at 17:54:23:

Curt,
I like the CP-99 enough to consider buying the real thing (P-99) for around $600. This gun is factory sighted for 10m. The 3" barrel is very accurate. Tha single-action trigger pull is very nice and the double-action isn't too shabby either. More bang for the buck than the other Umarex pistols.
Good luck, G.J.
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Msg. 276920  Posted by James D. on August 18, 2000 at 22:07:19:

In Reply to: Which Adult CO2 automatic airpistol to get? posted by Simon Lee on August 18, 2000 at 15:19:57:


Depending on budget but The Umarex seem to be ok.
rugged materials, and realistic weight. At 10 meters I shot 1/2" groups, one handed. The Umarex pistols are miniature revolvers at heart except they resemble automatic firearms. smaller parts, more problems.

The problems are poor double action trigger, and a long travel single action trigger, jams, misfires, and price. (mostly automatic plagued problems.) The Gamo P23's accuracy isn't too good but anywhere within 20 feet it's a bundle of fun for a 1/4 of the cost of a Umarex, (maybe add a longer barrel to the P-23?)

These are the only pistols that I have had experience with, besides a pneumatic single shot.
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Msg. 276919  Posted by James D. on August 18, 2000 at 21:58:30:

In Reply to: can you tell me more and where i can get a Mac-1 Mark1 LD pistol posted by steve on August 17, 2000 at 22:29:22:


Maybe if you leave an e-mail address you will get more information!

Goto the Delphi forum and do a search, they keep a nice collection of past archives which is very helpfull.


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Msg. 276918  Posted by Swinson on August 18, 2000 at 21:55:27:

In Reply to: I did... posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 21:40:00:

MOVING that week...Ughhhhh!
If you get the stock and you "happen" to show it to DonC tell him it's mine mine mine all mine.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 276917  Posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 21:44:59:

In Reply to: Re: DIY spinners posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 18, 2000 at 20:05:51:

I bet that restaurant of yours runs short of spoons
regularly ;-)
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Msg. 276916  Posted by Crane on August 18, 2000 at 21:41:07:

I mounted the Daisy on a pistol and want to adjust it (shoots to the left and up). Thye say to loosen or tighten two screws (one controls elevation, the other lateral shift) but I have done so and the sight does not tilt or shift. Is it only the red dot that moves? If so why is it not appearing to move? I have some duck tape on both sides of the daisy mount so it will fit in my larger dovetail. How do I know when the red dot is perfectly positioned? Plz help this is driving me insane =)

Cheers,

Crane
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Msg. 276915  Posted by bcd on August 18, 2000 at 21:40:25:

In Reply to: More on archives posted by Mitch on August 18, 2000 at 06:29:43:


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Msg. 276914  Posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 21:40:00:

In Reply to: Re: URL Inside... posted by Swinson on August 18, 2000 at 21:32:24:

Gary said he would be shipping the stock today!!!
I will be gone to the Worlds/Nationals next week so
I should be able to send it off to you the next week.
Hopefully, Gary will be prompt.
Why don't you take a day or 2 off and go to see the
big shoot??? Couldn't hurt.
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Msg. 276913  Posted by Torsten on August 18, 2000 at 21:39:39:

In Reply to: Could anybody reccomend a half descent bushnell scope posted by Greg S on August 18, 2000 at 19:55:56:

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Msg. 276912  Posted by Defiance on August 18, 2000 at 21:39:26:

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?item=463824

anyone tried it?
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Msg. 276911  Posted by Swinson on August 18, 2000 at 21:37:45:

In Reply to: ??????if these careers are so good why is everybody selling them posted by gary on August 18, 2000 at 19:14:11:

I have a theory on that:

A lot of people buy careers as their first PCP as they hear great things about them.
Some of those people do not last in the airgun hobby so they sell them.
Other people last but then refine their tastes and buy something else (not everybody "collects" airguns, oddly some only have one or two)
Some buy a PCP as a transition gun from Co2 to PCP or springer to PCP but revert back to their "first love" and powerplant.
Lastly, due to their relative low cost there are a lot of careers out there so maybe it's just shear numbers that make it seem like there are a lot of them being sold.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 276910  Posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 21:36:03:

In Reply to: A-Team reg question posted by JonF. on August 18, 2000 at 21:29:45:

It means your gun will shoot consistant from the
3000 psi fill charge all the way down to 1800 psi
where the reg will quit working. Then you will start
notice a serious drop in your POI at the longer ranges.
If you want it to scream all the time, them you need a
higher reg setting, but you will loose a large number
of shots per fill.
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Msg. 276909  Posted by Anthony Storey on August 18, 2000 at 21:34:08:

In Reply to: First impressions of the new Swift 6-24X50 target scope.... posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 20:59:40:

n/t
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Msg. 276908  Posted by Swinson on August 18, 2000 at 21:32:24:

In Reply to: URL Inside... posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 21:30:08:

Wade-o didja get that e-mail about the stock and where to ship it? (or really where not to ship it ot )

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 276907  Posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 21:30:08:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for red dot sight for IZH-61 posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 21:23:48:

https://www.eabco.com/

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Msg. 276906  Posted by JonF. on August 18, 2000 at 21:29:45:

When someone says there reg is set for 1800 psi, what does this mean? That's not the fill pressure,
is it? Is the reg externally adjustable or even internally? What are the advantages/disadvantages of the higher/lower settings?

Thanks!
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Msg. 276905  Posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 21:23:48:

In Reply to: Looking for red dot sight for IZH-61 posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 20:46:58:

The Tasco PDP111SPL is on sale at "E. Arthur Brown"
for $39.95 which includes the rings, battery and scope bikini cover.
I bought 2 and find them well worth the money.
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Msg. 276904  Posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 21:21:40:

nt
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Msg. 276903  Posted by chasm on August 18, 2000 at 21:18:49:

In Reply to: Ol' Russ won't be around tonite posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 19:05:57:

Russ,

I, for one, hope that we don't hear from you for several days and that when we do, that you are obviously "modified or tuned". Forget the Bowflex and go for the present. Good Huntin.

chasm
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Msg. 276902  Posted by AC on August 18, 2000 at 21:18:49:

In Reply to: ??????if these careers are so good why is everybody selling them posted by gary on August 18, 2000 at 19:14:11:



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Msg. 276900  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 21:02:28:

In Reply to: Get a Xifeng B18 instead, you will be glad you did posted by James Kitching on August 18, 2000 at 17:30:49:

Without a doubt, probably the best value for the money of any spring-piston airgun on the market today! Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276899  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 20:59:40:

I received my new Swift 6-24X50 scope this afternoon, just 20 minutes before I left for work, so this won't be any kind of in-depth review. With Marty's usual impeccable service, it came in perfect condition and already checked out by him. This is a very handsome scope, and I was happy to see that the ocular (eyepiece) assembly is a speed focus type, very similar to the Simmons 1048T, which I personally happen to favor. Another neat thing is that the power adjustment ring works opposite most other scopes - the highest magnification (24X) is on the left side of the ring, rather than on the right. I've always wondered why scope manufacturers didn't do this, it makes more sense to me to turn the ring to the right to increase magnification, rather than to the left. Just my thoughts, others might feel differently of course. Even though this scope has a 50MM objective, it's quite compact for the power range and it doesn't appear "clubby" like some. Like the Swift 669MTA, the focus is extremely sharp and the sight picture is very clear and bright, all the way out to the edges of the field. Even at 24X, the image is still quite bright and focuses sharply, which should make range-finding accurate and precise. I haven't mounted it on one of my guns yet, so I can't comment on how the distance markings on the AO bell tally with reality, but it has a nice wide spread between 10 and 50 yards, and so should work at least as well as the 669MTA. Adjustments were smooth and accurate, with enough drag to prevent them from being accidently bumped and changed. I hope to test it on my HW-77 over the weekend, but I may have to go with some higher mounts to make sure the large AO bell clears the receiver of my 77.
Regards,
Unc
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Msg. 276898  Posted by bcd on August 18, 2000 at 20:48:48:

In Reply to: Violating A Personal Prime Directive ... posted by bcd on August 18, 2000 at 02:20:03:

The "autopsy" was pretty straightforward ...
brain condition "visually verified".

R9, H&N Match wadcutter, lots of bone (skull)
fragments, etc. turned the entire brain area into
bloodshot hamburger. No exit in the second hit
(due to downward angle's longer path I suspect).

All of the long time hunters I've polled agree with
my choice of the heart-lung shot. Too much can go
wrong with a precision head shot under even my
short range, well controlled conditions.

We've also talked about what triggers the nervous
reaction and tend to agree on the answer. The
animal is on a hair trigger, and may even hear the
gun's report just prior to the hit. The hair
trigger reaction is, therefore, pre-programmed.

I've also observed that the reaction to a heart hit
is the classic jump straight in the air, sometimes
followed by a kick or two, sometimes even followed
by a "run to cover". Whether lung or heart shot,
they've never gone more than a few feet. Also,
lung/heart hits have never been accompanied by a
scream or even a hoarse croak... for obvious
reasons. Not enough brain shots to say if it's
true in that case as well, and I don't plan to
make a habit of those. For me, the test is over.

Back to my PERSONAL comfort zone :-)
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Msg. 276897  Posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 20:46:58:

I have been loking into red dot sights for my not-yet-received IZH-61. I am trying to deide between the Crosman Wide View Red Dot Sight and the Crosman Universal Red Dot Sight. Will either of these fit? What do you think of them?
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Msg. 276896  Posted by Roland Martens on August 18, 2000 at 20:37:46:

In Reply to: Could anybody reccomend a half descent bushnell scope posted by Greg S on August 18, 2000 at 19:55:56:

Sportview 3-9 x 32 AO (parallax adjustable down to less than 7 Yds).
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Msg. 276895  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 20:37:43:

In Reply to: Co2 question and shooting environment. posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 17:51:09:

As long as the seals in the gun are good, you can safely leave a CO2 powerlet in it. Per the rain, any gun, whether airgun or firearm, is best protected in humid or rainy weather by a good coat of rust preventative oil, like Sheath or Remoil. And don't forget to dry it off and re-oil it when you come in out of the rain. That's about it. Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276894  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 20:32:48:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Russ make sure the cars back seat is empty, only kiddin' kiddo. Have fun...2cents Uncle Gary?? posted by Bob Kelly on August 18, 2000 at 19:16:59:

"Ta-Ta!" is it Russ? Heh-Heh-Heh! Say boys, ever notice how "nicey-nice" he gets when he's got a gal on the string! Ain't love grand? [GRIN!] Don't stay out too late now Russ, like me, you need all the "beauty rest" you can get! Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276893  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 18, 2000 at 20:07:17:

In Reply to: Re: DIY spinners posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 18, 2000 at 20:05:51:


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Msg. 276892  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 18, 2000 at 20:05:54:

In Reply to: DIY spinners posted by Albert on August 18, 2000 at 18:13:24:

Get some cheap spoons from the Dollar store. Take a hammer and flatten them out. Get some coat hangers and make a "U" shape out of it. Invert the "U" so the ends stick in the ground and take the handle of the spoon and bend it around the top of the arch This should hang fairly well and make a great spinner. You can experiment with bent notches in the coat hanger to keep the spoons from sliding to one side or the other. You can get different sized spinners using teaspoons, tablespoons or serving spoons.

Just don't use the wife's good silverware or she'll take away your guns! ;^D
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Msg. 276891  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 18, 2000 at 20:05:51:

In Reply to: DIY spinners posted by Albert on August 18, 2000 at 18:13:24:

Get some cheap spoons from the Dollar store. Take a hammer and flatten them out. Get some coat hangers and make a "U" shape out of it. Invert the "U" so the ends stick in the ground and take the handle of the spoon and bend it around the top of the arch This should hang fairly well and make a great spinner. You can experiment with bent notches in the coat hanger to keep the spoons from sliding to one side or the other. You can get different sized spinners using teaspoons, tablespoons or serving spoons.

Just don't use the wife's good silverware or she'll take away your guns! ;^D
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Msg. 276890  Posted by Lon on August 18, 2000 at 20:04:36:

In Reply to: DIY spinners posted by Albert on August 18, 2000 at 18:13:24:

I waste a lot of perfectly good welding rod from time to time and considered this as a project. I concluded that there are so many good, cheap spinners for sale through the mail order catalogs that it's better just to buy one.
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Msg. 276889  Posted by Lon on August 18, 2000 at 19:59:23:

In Reply to: CR160/QB77 Production Laminated Thumbhole Silhouette Stock Pictures posted by AirMonkey on August 18, 2000 at 19:21:02:

Are the bulk tank adapters for the 160/QB available yet?
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Msg. 276888  Posted by Greg S on August 18, 2000 at 19:55:56:

I have a pneumatic/co2 air rifle-630/psi,plinking and light hunting.
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Msg. 276887  Posted by Barry on August 18, 2000 at 19:55:38:

In Reply to: Re: Order from Pyramid air ? posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 12:36:02:

If you'd already brought it to Pyramid's attention & it still wasn't resolved, that puts your post in an entirely different light. In that light, your post was rather charitable.
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Msg. 276886  Posted by Barry on August 18, 2000 at 19:49:47:

In Reply to: DIY spinners posted by Albert on August 18, 2000 at 18:13:24:

Don't know how to make a spinner that works, but hard to beat Necco wafers for frangible targets.
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Msg. 276885  Posted by Albert on August 18, 2000 at 19:43:03:

In Reply to: Just curious...velocity... posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 17:26:42:

The slowest airgun was probably my custom-made PAL-1 by Praxis Advanced Laboratories, for a physic experiment. It was around power adjustable, from 5 to 45 fps and was dead-on accurate up to 3 yards, with a positive shooting angle. Tons of maths behind it ! Of course, it was shooting a bigger pellet, in fast it was a plastic super-sized BB, weighting 200 grains, for a total kinetic energy of 0,9 foot pounds. I can sell it to ya if you want, 5$ plus shipping, but it's really a piece of shit.

Have fun with higher powered air rifles, although you don't need to get a custom supersonic 9mm PCP.

Al
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Msg. 276884  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 18, 2000 at 19:38:37:

In Reply to: CR160/QB77 Production Laminated Thumbhole Silhouette Stock Pictures posted by AirMonkey on August 18, 2000 at 19:21:02:

Wow - those are some very cool stocks.
Great work!

Happy Shootin,

Chris
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Msg. 276883  Posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 19:35:45:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo posted by Howard on August 18, 2000 at 18:40:47:

Yes the double action trigger cang et annoying...but for the price the pistol is awesome =) Unfortunately i dont have much money to spend on airguns, so the gamo p23 was a good choice for me.
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Msg. 276882  Posted by Paul on August 18, 2000 at 19:35:17:

In Reply to: Airshot gun/pistols posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:35:39:

I'm with Trevor on this one. Frogs are beneficial.
Why not shoot rats or pigeons if you have to kill something?
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Msg. 276881  Posted by dscott on August 18, 2000 at 19:30:41:

In Reply to: N Cal FT shooters or matches??? posted by K.B. on August 18, 2000 at 18:41:23:

Contact Mike McKeown at perfcomp@aesir.community.net
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Msg. 276880  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 18, 2000 at 19:29:14:

In Reply to: Co2 question and shooting environment. posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 17:51:09:

Just don't make it too easy for an accident to happen,
know what I mean???? Short term it won't damage, long-
terms a little different. Depending on quality of
workmanship of the gun (I'm not familiar w/said gun).
Leaving a loaded gun is just a bad idea!! Not lecturing,
just don't want anything bad to happen.
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Msg. 276879  Posted by Art on August 18, 2000 at 19:26:31:

In Reply to: Re: DIY spinners posted by Art on August 18, 2000 at 19:00:01:

As I read this Some of it wasn't too clear.
If you need help just email me and I will try and send pictures and a better explanation
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Msg. 276878  Posted by javier j. on August 18, 2000 at 19:23:40:

Can someone give me references of the rws 350
that Cabelas show in recent catalogs. Thanks
Javier
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Msg. 276877  Posted by Dwight Carlson on August 18, 2000 at 19:21:11:

In Reply to: Re: Which Adult CO2 automatic airpistol to get? posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 17:46:51:

Just wondering if s[i]lencer does his shooting in the Lower Mainland of BC. If so, are there any indoor shooting ranges which he could recommend?
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Msg. 276876  Posted by AirMonkey on August 18, 2000 at 19:21:02:

Enjoy,

Jeff

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Msg. 276875  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 18, 2000 at 19:16:59:

In Reply to: Ol' Russ won't be around tonite posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 19:05:57:

Hope you have a good time. Regards Bob Kelly
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Msg. 276874  Posted by gary on August 18, 2000 at 19:14:11:

????????????????? tell me

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Msg. 276872  Posted by Tom B on August 18, 2000 at 19:09:08:

In Reply to: Ol' Russ won't be around tonite posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 19:05:57:

HEY RUSS...........Have FUN !!!!!! and ENJOY!!!
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Msg. 276871  Posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 19:05:57:

I'm celebrating a special event with a lady friend, so I won't be posting this evening. I'll also run a little behind on my e-mails, as I REALLY must get my butt in gear, now. Ta Ta for now(TTFN). Russ
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Msg. 276870  Posted by Art on August 18, 2000 at 19:00:01:

In Reply to: DIY spinners posted by Albert on August 18, 2000 at 18:13:24:

If you have a welder then weld the pieces together otherwise try this method.

I have made some swinger type targets in this manner. Buy some round rod stock (1/4 to 3/8 is fine ) and two 90 degree elbows that fit the rod.Decide what size to thread the rods say 3/8 x 18 or 1/4 by 20 and thread them about 1/2' on each end. Now drill out the pipe thread on the elbows and tap them the size you threaded the rods. screw the rods into the elbows so you have a cross bar with two feet.

For the swingers you can use the proper size bolt and drill out the threads. this will slip over the crossbar . you will also have to drill a hole in one of the flats of the nut and tap it. You now need to get a small rod size you tapped the nut for and thread both ends. pick any size nut & bolt that you want to use, say a 7/8 inch bolt. Get a nut to fit the bolt drill a hole in it and tap the same size as your swinging rod. screw the nut onto the rod. The screw the bolt into the nut and measure and cut off bolt so it is flush with the nut. You now have a swinging action target to shoot at with no welding.

This is all easier to do than explain.

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Msg. 276869  Posted by Charlie on August 18, 2000 at 18:49:35:

In Reply to: RX-1 problems need help, posted by TimH on August 18, 2000 at 10:52:20:

I highly recommend that you send the rifle back to Beeman or
an authorized repair center for service. Firing the gun could
damage it or you.

Charlie

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Msg. 276868  Posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 18:49:34:

In Reply to: M Boyle and others posted by matt sudol on August 18, 2000 at 18:35:34:

I find that many adults immediately assign a certain stereotype to any child or adolescent. We are viewed as being completely oblivious of any safety measures, having little to no intelligence regarding airguns/other matters and being somewhat irresponsible. In other words, we require adult supervision. Being an adolescent myself I have endured such ignorant behaviour. The fact of the matter is, we - young adults - are in many cases equally or more responsible than older citizens. Just because some children run around with BB guns breaking windows, does not mean most young people participate in such...activities. The reverse is also true. I'm not accusing ALL adults of the aformentioned behaviour, I would just enjoy talking to understanding adults who treat young people with equal respect as their peers. We constitute the (excuse the corniness) "new" shooting generation. Treat us with respect and we will have a far more enjoyable shooting experience.

Thank you for reading this rather lengthy post,

s[i]lencer
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Msg. 276867  Posted by Quack on August 18, 2000 at 18:46:27:

In Reply to: Need chrony strings on crosman 2289 and 1377. posted by Rob on August 18, 2000 at 05:16:24:

Well Rob, before I sold mine I was getting 510 fps with 14.3 grain RWS superpoint pellets at the muzzle. This was a modified version from MAC-1, and I would strongly urge you to spend the extra money to get it from Tim. He makes the gun a little more powerful but much more accurate. He really makes the trigger nice and smooth. Hope this helps, Quack
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Msg. 276866  Posted by Charlie on August 18, 2000 at 18:45:53:

In Reply to: Just curious...velocity... posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 17:26:42:

The highest velocities for airguns hover around Mach1 (around
1200+ fps, it varies with respect to sea level). The lowest usually
go around 150 - 250 fps. (amongst some of the youth BB guns)

Charlie

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Msg. 276865  Posted by Charlie on August 18, 2000 at 18:42:31:

In Reply to: Pistols posted by CurtB on August 18, 2000 at 17:54:23:

I have no information on the pistols you've mentioned. I do know from
personal experience that the Beeman P1 and the BSA 240 Magnum are excellent
trainers for firearms. Being spring piston by design, they simulate firearm
recoil quite well. In the case of the BSA 240 Magnum, if you can get proficient
with this gun, you'll have no problems with your 9mm.

Charlie

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Msg. 276864  Posted by K.B. on August 18, 2000 at 18:41:23:

Pretty much what the titel asks, does anyone here know of any clubs or Field Target match shoots in the San Jose Bay Area?



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Msg. 276863  Posted by Howard on August 18, 2000 at 18:40:47:

In Reply to: Re: Which Adult CO2 automatic airpistol to get? posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 17:46:51:


I like my P-23. Quality is just fine for the price but I don't recommend it or the Auto-45 as an only pistol reason being that they're double action only. Most of us shoot better with a single action trigger.
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Msg. 276862  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 18, 2000 at 18:37:07:

In Reply to: what do you mean by " too slow " ??? NT... posted by nin1974 on August 18, 2000 at 12:32:44:

Have a look at the below website by Pellant.
It shows the expansion and penetration of various pellets using a pistol and rifle.

Pistols sometimes don't have enough energy to expand very much (even when using hollowpoints).
Although, the Crow Magnum pellet (fired from a BSA Mag 240), did expand reasonably.

Chris

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Msg. 276861  Posted by matt sudol on August 18, 2000 at 18:35:34:

I read your post about "You will shoot your eye out". I took precautions in this by filling the gun up with #8 shot. I used bb's because they were round and small so I used it, they didn't have enough power to go through a piece of cardboard and hardly any bounced back at me. I was wearing a Paintball mask with they eye protection and my hands if they got stung so what. I have gotten my hands slapped by 110 conibears before and when you feel that you are never the same. Then you said with no father to teach them they don't know any better. Well true about 3 out of 10 of people in my high school are from broken homes with no father hardly any live with their father. But the thing is I have not too many home problems other than the mild temper tantrum by a sibling we live fine. I do what I like airguns and animals, brother hockey and pokemon , sister her boyfriend and my father and mother buy me pellets , scopes and stuff like that and help me with my gun if I need a flashlight held. I am 15 and have a pretty
good handle on airguns for the past 10 years I have been shooting them so I know the power of my benjamin sheridian. The thing is 60% of the children on this forum aren't from broken homes and don't need remarks like that.
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Msg. 276860  Posted by Barry on August 18, 2000 at 18:32:15:

In Reply to: Get a Xifeng B18 instead, you will be glad you did posted by James Kitching on August 18, 2000 at 17:30:49:

Mr. Kitching is right. The Fun Supply Chinese rifles are better guns at a better price.
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Msg. 276859  Posted by Barry on August 18, 2000 at 18:26:51:

In Reply to: Daisy 747 posted by Gary on August 18, 2000 at 16:30:01:

Daisy appears to be marketing some of their Powerline products under the Avanti banner for reasons that escape me. Anyway, there's the 717 (utility grade, don't know whether or not it's still in production), the 777 (target grade, no longer in production), and the 747 (target grade, current production). The 777 had wood grips, whereas the 747's are plastic, but you can order 777 grips from Daisy. I think the 777 also had metal sights, whereas the 747's are [albeit good quality] plastic, but Daisy doesn't have any 777 sights left. Other than sights & grips I don't know if there is any difference between a 777 & a 747.
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Msg. 276858  Posted by Albert on August 18, 2000 at 18:13:24:

Hello !

Do one of you folks ever tried to make a home-made spinner ? I tried today with lame materials like paper clips and metal washers and wood, and found it very difficult to make one that could consistently repel a .177 pellet at 700 fps. Any suggestion for tougher models ?

Thanks a lot !

Al
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Msg. 276857  Posted by Tom on Long Island on August 18, 2000 at 18:11:47:

In Reply to: Semi-auto .22 rifle ? posted by Scott S, on August 18, 2000 at 14:12:10:

Scott you might want to look into a Crosman 622, it's a pump acton 6 shot clip CO2 rifle Crosman produced about 20 years ago. I have a restored one and for general plinking and close range hunting it's not a bad gun. If you check the airgun resources for The "Letter" click on Byran and Associates, they restore these guns and did the restoration on mine, in case the URL didn't take. Sometimes he has a few for sale, pricing is not to bad either, maybe around $100.00 or so. Good luck.

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Msg. 276856  Posted by matt sudol on August 18, 2000 at 18:06:58:

In Reply to: Just curious...velocity... posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 17:26:42:

Rifles: High- .22 career 707 with cp's about 1250
Low- .177 Marksman lazerhawk about 250

Pistols: High- .177 beeman p1 about 600
High- .177 crosman 1377 about 600 maybe more
Low- .177 marksman 45 about 175-200

If you are looking for a good hunting gun get a .22 over 650 fps.
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Msg. 276855  Posted by scot on August 18, 2000 at 17:55:31:

In Reply to: Re: is the crosman 1077 worth my $?YES!YES!YES! posted by Eli Gratz on August 18, 2000 at 16:19:28:

The conversion is rather expensive, $50 or more, but in the long run it will pay for itself in savings on 12 gram cartridges. It will also make it more consistent in rapid fire, since the big tank won't cool nearly as fast as the little 12 gram, and if you ain't gonna shoot fast, then you don't want a 1077.
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Msg. 276854  Posted by mike f. on August 18, 2000 at 17:55:29:

In Reply to: Daisy 747 posted by Gary on August 18, 2000 at 13:04:12:


The 747 is very accuate & you can get a mount from Daisy or someone that carries their products. It clamps to the barrel for a red dot type sight. I have a 747 with this set up. They also offer left hand grips.If you don't want a thumb rest you can order a set of left hand grips & use the plain grip on both sides.
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Msg. 276853  Posted by CurtB on August 18, 2000 at 17:54:23:

Does anyone have the colt gold cup or walther cp-99?
What is your opinion on the quality and accuracy of these
guns? Is there something better that I should consider?
I'm looking for something I can practice with (have to
qualify with a 9mm every year for my job) without having to
go to the range.

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Msg. 276852  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 18, 2000 at 17:52:22:

In Reply to: Which Adult CO2 automatic airpistol to get? posted by Simon Lee on August 18, 2000 at 15:19:57:

Perhaps the Umarex S&W pistol (the revolver) with the 8" barrel.
The are accurate, and fairly powerful.

Chris
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Msg. 276851  Posted by TCooper on August 18, 2000 at 17:52:06:

In Reply to: Daisy 747 posted by Gary on August 18, 2000 at 13:04:12:

I think Golden Toller sells a B-square mount for the Daisy 7X7 series guns. It is a barrel clamp mount. I think the price is only about $14.00.

The P-3 has built in rails so scope mounting is easy. My P-3 is capable of ragged hole groups at 10 meters.
The 717 that I had years ago would also shoot a ragged hole group.
HTH,
Todd
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Msg. 276850  Posted by scot on August 18, 2000 at 17:51:54:

In Reply to: Re: Which Adult CO2 automatic airpistol to get? posted by Chazzz on August 18, 2000 at 17:02:17:

I have a Daisy 693 that I've put over 5000 BB's through with no problem (aside half a dozen jams that were due to oversized BB's). The accuracy is only about 2-3" at 10 meters, but then most of the time I'm shooting much closer than that, and shooting fast enought that the group size doesn't matter. In terms of shots per hour, it's the fastest gun I know of. You can even swap magazines in about a second and a half, something you can't say about any of the 8 shot revolvers.
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Msg. 276849  Posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 17:51:09:

If i am going to use my airgun on a daily basis should I leave a half full co2 canister in the gun overnight for my next airgun session? Is it safe? Will the co2 leak? What is the max amount of time a half full co2 canister should be left in a gun?

On another note, it rains ALOT where I live and the only space I ave to shoot is outside. What should I do? The argun I own is the p23. Can I shoot when its raining? Will this damage the gun?

Thank you for reading this post,

s[i]lencer
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Msg. 276848  Posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 17:46:51:

In Reply to: Which Adult CO2 automatic airpistol to get? posted by Simon Lee on August 18, 2000 at 15:19:57:

Contrary to what most people say, gamo makes excellent co2 pistols. I own a gamo p23 and it is simply awesome. Mv of 406 with rws hobby pellets, can shoot either repeating mode with 10 bbs or single shot with .177 caliber. The p23 has yeilded accuracy of .4" c-t-c at 10m for me! Plus you can get it with a really neat laser sight mounted underneath the barrel and a pressure switch! AND IT LOOKS DARN COOL!! An awesome airgun that offers more power and accuracy than most of the umarex handguns (beretta, walther series etc...). Buy it and do yourself a favour =)

Cheers,

s[i]lencer
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Msg. 276847  Posted by s[i]lencer on August 18, 2000 at 17:42:26:

In Reply to: Accessories for CP-99?? posted by Chazzz on August 18, 2000 at 17:11:43:

Why dont you head over to www.pyramidair.com , click browse and find the walther cp-99. They show it with a really cool scope. Phone pyramid air and ask them where and how they got the scope. Im sure u can order it.

Cheers,

s[i]lencer
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Msg. 276846  Posted by James Kitching on August 18, 2000 at 17:33:57:

In Reply to: Are you SURE you read that on Mac-1's site? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 23:46:11:

I fill co2 tanks by freezing them 30 minutes. I have trouble getting a full fill if I don't. but on occasion, you can get a severe overfill.
YOu MUST weigh the tanks after filling them, its the only way to be sure you are safe.

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Msg. 276845  Posted by James Kitching on August 18, 2000 at 17:30:49:

In Reply to: Chinese Tech Force Air Rifles posted by KC on August 18, 2000 at 00:17:02:

Details on my site
Way better gun than any of the Tech force springers.
Shoots 200 fps faster too.
URL below

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Msg. 276844  Posted by Steve T on August 18, 2000 at 17:26:42:

What's the highest and lowest you've ever seen? NOT using a real firearm or "AIRSOFT" type gun.
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Msg. 276843  Posted by Andrew Leung on August 18, 2000 at 17:21:11:

In Reply to: Semi-auto .22 rifle ? posted by Scott S, on August 18, 2000 at 14:12:10:

I haven't seen a commercially available true semi-auto .22 airgun though I recall an article that I have that a UK gentleman has made himself one that is true semi-auto.

the CR600 can be a platform to perhaps make a conversion to a true semi-auto.

The 400 is a boltaction repeater and the 1077 (as well as AR6) are revolvers really...not a semi-auto.
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Msg. 276842  Posted by Don on August 18, 2000 at 17:14:10:

In Reply to: Can anyone recommend any diveshops for arigunners near Baltimore, MD? - NT posted by Ian on August 18, 2000 at 14:15:23:

Divers Den on harford rd. Also look in yellow pages.
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Msg. 276841  Posted by Chazzz on August 18, 2000 at 17:11:43:

Hello, I would like to know if any of you have an idea as to where I can get some accessories for my CP-99, i.e. Laser sight, or even that neat red-dot with mount thats seen on the gun at most web sites?? I have been looking very hard & can't find anyone who sells either of these. I would really like to get a laser w/ a pressure switch. Ore that will mount to the Tractor rail on the bottom of the gun, not the trigger guard.
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Msg. 276840  Posted by Chazzz on August 18, 2000 at 17:02:17:

In Reply to: Which Adult CO2 automatic airpistol to get? posted by Simon Lee on August 18, 2000 at 15:19:57:

I Had the same decision problem. I ended up buying a CP-99, I LOVE it, it looks & feels like the real thing. I would like it even more if it had a blowback action, but other than that I think it was a great buy. If you really can't make up your mind I deffinately agree with Haward. Having more than one is never a bad idea. Just dont buy a bunch of BB Toys, you won't be happy.
-Chazzz
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Msg. 276839  Posted by Pel-It on August 18, 2000 at 16:55:10:

In Reply to: RWS model 52 stock wanted posted by James King Sr on August 17, 2000 at 23:32:52:

I might have one for you sometime this winter. I'd like to have a custom stock made for my 52 at which point I'll post mine on the Airgun Classifides.
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Msg. 276838  Posted by MB on August 18, 2000 at 16:45:13:

In Reply to: Re: Violating A Personal Prime Directive ... posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 13:59:19:

at a "significant downward angle," horizontal distance
less than 30 feet: that could still be a prob at 30feet ..how much im not sure
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Msg. 276837  Posted by R J K on August 18, 2000 at 16:42:47:

In Reply to: B/S Mod. 392 in .22 cal for $87 posted by Douglas on August 18, 2000 at 15:35:09:

Are you the person with the ben/sher on Brads page,I,am interested. But you did not leave a phone number.I am at work and cant contact you thnx
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Msg. 276836  Posted by Gary on August 18, 2000 at 16:30:01:

Is there one model of the 747? Do or did they make them in the Avanti and Powerline models. Are all the 747's called Triumph.

There is only one 747 in the entire line right?

Thanks

Gary
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Msg. 276835  Posted by Eli Gratz on August 18, 2000 at 16:19:28:

In Reply to: Re: is the crosman 1077 worth my $?YES!YES!YES! posted by ^tg^ on August 18, 2000 at 07:14:13:

What does bulk it mean, and how do i do it?
Thanks
--Eli
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Msg. 276834  Posted by Howard on August 18, 2000 at 16:19:06:

In Reply to: Which Adult CO2 automatic airpistol to get? posted by Simon Lee on August 18, 2000 at 15:19:57:

Buy at least two or three of them. This has been my best remedy for indecision. Especially if you shoot frequently. In time most of us end up owning several poppers anyway. For an "only-gun"
the Gamo would be the least satisfying. All of the others are great choices.
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Msg. 276833  Posted by Eli Gratz on August 18, 2000 at 16:17:16:

In Reply to: Re: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? - depends on what you want it to do... posted by James L on August 18, 2000 at 10:42:57:

No, i don't like killing things. Just blasting the hell out of paper and action figures... So it is good for me then?
--Eli
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Msg. 276832  Posted by TStray on August 18, 2000 at 16:15:48:

In Reply to: What is the current state of quality of Air Arms products ? posted by TStray on August 17, 2000 at 18:15:26:

nt
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Msg. 276831  Posted by Singson Tiu on August 18, 2000 at 16:01:14:

In Reply to: Re: Entry Level Match Air Rifles Advice Needed posted by Mike F on August 14, 2000 at 02:35:34:

The only match air rifle that was make in the Philippines that can be considered as an entry level match air rifle is the discontinued SPITFIRE (C02 in .177 only) with trigger mechanism better than the TAU 200. If you can still find one used in the Philippines, that would be great. I still have mine in the Philippines and if ever you have missed your target on a bench rest, it means that your CO2 is low already. The velocity of the shot can be change by adjusting the spring tension on the steel block that hit the air release valve. Due to the accuracy of this air rifle, I have used it primarily for pest control. I really do enjoy this air rifle for the reason, it is accurate, the trigger is great (even better than Tau & IZH stuff), and there is no recoil to the airgun. I have always wanted to bring this air rifle over here in US, but due to the situation that is involved with the custom (too much red tape involved, and a lot of gray area on their procedure in doing this process), I leave with my brother in
the Philippines.
Singing the Blues,
Singson

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Msg. 276830  Posted by Swinson on August 18, 2000 at 15:55:07:

In Reply to: Can anyone recommend any diveshops for arigunners near Baltimore, MD? - NT posted by Ian on August 18, 2000 at 14:15:23:

That would sort of be a good "resource" to have air filling stations areound the US.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 276829  Posted by docwells on August 18, 2000 at 15:38:51:

In Reply to: Re: IZH-61 Magazine and rear sight posted by docwells on August 18, 2000 at 08:18:54:

I forgot to mention that I also bought the Daisy 853 aperture rear sight from Joe at Golden Toller. He also has a muzzle weight if recoil is a problem and you plan on using some sort of scope or red dot sight. The front inserts should be good to go with the rear peep. Good luck. docwells

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Msg. 276828  Posted by Josh P. on August 18, 2000 at 15:36:37:

The scope rail on my XS-B4 Chinese springer is loose,I was wondering what is directly under the scope rail?Is there enough room of me to drill a few holes and bolt the rail down,or will the bolts hit the spring or any other internals?

Thanks-Josh P.
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Msg. 276827  Posted by Douglas on August 18, 2000 at 15:35:09:

In Reply to: Blue Streak Gun Question? posted by Danny on August 18, 2000 at 13:17:44:

that's cheap in my book. Contact me for details
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Msg. 276826  Posted by Simon Lee on August 18, 2000 at 15:19:57:

Greetings! I am a relatively new person to the world of airguns. I've been considering various CO2 airpistols like the Walther CP-99, Walther CP-88, RWS C-225, Crosman CP-40, Gamo Auto 45 and Beretta 92F. I am having such a hard time! I want something with power, reliability and above all, looks good. Can anyone help point me in the right direction?
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Msg. 276825  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 15:19:54:

In Reply to: Re: Help with HW-97 problem - any gunsmiths? posted by Vanston(UK) on August 18, 2000 at 13:09:48:

I've seen pellets stuck in barrels where the head separated from the skirt and left the skirt in the bore exactly as you describe. Get a piece of .175" dia. drill rod and tap it to force the stuck skirt back out of the barrel. Then clean the bore throughly to remove any small lead fragments left. Per the dieseling, this is a result of the Beeman tune, you've got some excess lubricant in the compression chamber that is burning off every time you fire it. Shooting heavier pellets for a while will keep it under control until the rest of the lube burns off. Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 276824  Posted by Josh P. on August 18, 2000 at 15:08:01:

In Reply to: Need chrony strings on crosman 2289 and 1377. posted by Rob on August 18, 2000 at 05:16:24:

The 1377 is a nice all around air pistol.Good for plinking,can killing,etc and short range hunting(the 1377 works great if you have the shot placement right,but the 1322 would be better if your doing alot of hunting).Ad the Crosman shoulder stock and you have a nice carbine.You can put in a weaker trigger spring to make the trigger satisfactory(well it is for me anyway).I've popped starlings at 20 yards with mine no problem.I have no chrony readings for it cuz I dont have a chrony,and I have no experience with the 2289.

HTH-Josh P.
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Msg. 276823  Posted by Dick Kelso on August 18, 2000 at 14:57:10:

In Reply to: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? posted by Eli Gratz on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:46:

From a prone position, it is capable of 1-hole at my normal range of 10-meters. It has a lot going for it, but does use gas pretty fast. Bulkfill mods are more than the price of the gun. But it is a fun little thing.

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Msg. 276822  Posted by Steve B. on August 18, 2000 at 14:56:16:

In Reply to: Semi-auto .22 rifle ? posted by Scott S, on August 18, 2000 at 14:12:10:

Scott: The Crosman 400 is a bolt action. I've not seen anything like a 1077 in .22, .177 seems to be the only show in town.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 276821  Posted by Dick Kelso on August 18, 2000 at 14:53:31:

In Reply to: IZH-61 Magazine and rear sight posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 18, 2000 at 08:11:00:

I have a Beeman Sports Aperture sight on my -60, same mount as your -61. That sight is great, and is one of the most versatile peep sights around. Enjoy your -61, it is a fine gun.
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Msg. 276820  Posted by Tom Gaylord on August 18, 2000 at 14:53:09:

In Reply to: Can anyone recommend any diveshops for arigunners near Baltimore, MD? - NT posted by Ian on August 18, 2000 at 14:15:23:

Ian,

Columbia Scuba at 6695C Dobbin Road in Columbia fills the tanks of many airgunners in this area. They already have preprinted liability releases from "Airgun Revue #1", so all you have to do is go in. Call them at 410-381-1994.

Regards,

Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Msg. 276819  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 18, 2000 at 14:50:28:

In Reply to: Daisy 747 posted by Gary on August 18, 2000 at 13:04:12:

I have shot one and they are quite accurate. Some use them in informal 10m matches and do quite well. The next step up in price / accuracy is probably the 777 if you can find one used or the IZH-46.

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Msg. 276818  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 18, 2000 at 14:48:42:

In Reply to: Semi-auto .22 rifle ? posted by Scott S, on August 18, 2000 at 14:12:10:

I only recall seeing one or two C400 s at the auctions or on Brad Troyers site in this year. The prices were in the $90-130 range.

I rifle form, I don't know of any semi autos other than the 1077. In pistol form there are many real gun replicas using co2, but I don't know of any that use 22 cal.

In multi shot repeating mode (must actuate a bolt to advance pellet, not just pull trigger), there are several rifles that fit the bill, but all way over the C400 price.

Try airgun ads, auction arms, or putting a want ad on Brad Troyer's site.

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Msg. 276817  Posted by Ian on August 18, 2000 at 14:15:23:

NT

Thanks
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Msg. 276816  Posted by Scott S, on August 18, 2000 at 14:12:10:

Greetings to all,
Is there a .22 rifle that has the semi-auto capabilities of the Crosman 1077? I have been directed towards the Crosman 400 repeater which appears to be fairly rare & commanding a premium price. My dilemma is this...I bought a couple of cases of .22 cal coperhead pellets for $20.00 & I want a semi-auto or repeater I can use them with.
Any & all advice is greatly appreciated.
Scott S.
PS Do the Crosman 400's show up fairly regularly on the auctions?
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Msg. 276815  Posted by MB on August 18, 2000 at 14:02:20:

In Reply to: Re: Violating A Personal Prime Directive ... posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 13:59:19:

at a "significant downward angle," horizontal distance
less than 30 feet: that could still be a prob at 30feet ..how much im not sure
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Msg. 276814  Posted by Ray M. on August 18, 2000 at 14:00:30:

In Reply to: Re: Anchutz 250 Match air rifle posted by Tom Gaylord on August 18, 2000 at 10:40:47:

Tom,

Thank you very much for your comments!

Ray M.
St. Paul, MN
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Msg. 276813  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 13:59:19:

In Reply to: Re: Violating A Personal Prime Directive ... posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 13:07:52:

guess i didnt read that oops..yaa yer right
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Msg. 276812  Posted by Driskill on August 18, 2000 at 13:57:39:

In Reply to: Re: Anchutz 250 Match air rifle posted by docwells on August 18, 2000 at 10:26:13:

...to look up my post because Tom's is much more authoritative! I can add nothing to his comments.
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Msg. 276811  Posted by matt sudol on August 18, 2000 at 13:53:48:

In Reply to: Blue Streak Gun Question? posted by Danny on August 18, 2000 at 13:17:44:

yahoo auctions always has a few on check www.gunbroker.com and www.yahoo.com click auctions ebay doesn't sell them .
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Msg. 276810  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 13:48:35:

In Reply to: In spite of what the forum generally seems to say about you, you are a GENTLEMAN and a SCHOLAR! nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 16, 2000 at 22:55:27:

yaa what do you think we say? Russ has a lot of respect from us on the forum ..atleast the time ive been here. "way over a yr"
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Msg. 276809  Posted by Mike in Indy on August 18, 2000 at 13:44:08:

In Reply to: Re: Help with HW-97 problem - any gunsmiths? posted by Vanston(UK) on August 18, 2000 at 13:09:48:

Last weekend I had the gun at a local shoot and we tested it on a chronograph. A couple shots dieseled very badly - like 1053fps with a Beeman Ram Jet pellet (11.7gr)! It did this twice and we quit shooting for a while. I have fired the gun perhaps 35 times since then and don't think any large piece like a pellet skirt would remain in the barrel. Interesting thought though.
Thanks,

Mike in Indy

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Msg. 276808  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 13:43:59:

In Reply to: Ballistic Coefficientecy: Crosman premier .22 caliber? posted by Don on August 16, 2000 at 19:47:41:

0.027 :rounded off. for .22 cal CPs
B.C. = Ball Wt. in grains divided by (10640 x ball dia. x ball dia.)
14.3 devided by 514.976=0.0277682
i have no clue if thats good or bad..thats just what i got from a flint lock site that had BC for round ball ammo..i know it doesnt apply. but this is why BC can make you nuts. theres a dozen BCs out there..and BC will change with speed changes and Humidity and sea level and barometric pressure..and so on

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Msg. 276806  Posted by Danny on August 18, 2000 at 13:17:44:

Where is the cheapest place you've saw a blue streak? I'm desperatley looking to buy a blue streak, and the cheapest I've seen it is for $109. Has anyone seen a site that sells them for less? Any comments? thanks
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Msg. 276805  Posted by Vanston(UK) on August 18, 2000 at 13:09:48:

In Reply to: Help with HW-97 problem - any gunsmiths? posted by Mike in Indy on August 18, 2000 at 12:37:31:

I once tried a drop of mineral oil behind a pellet in an HW97(like you do, just to try it out!) and the dieseling fired the pellet out like a rimfire, and left part of the skirt of the pellet in the breech. Heaven knows what it did to the spring and piston.
Maybe its the skirt of a pellet that dieseled out and attached itself to the bore. You could have moved it up the bore with the patch.
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Msg. 276804  Posted by Tom Gaylord on August 18, 2000 at 13:09:46:

In Reply to: Re: The current quality of Air Arms products.How many rounds through it? posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 11:50:57:

MBoyle,

To answer your question, I am not positive how many shots were on our TX 200 Mark III when the test was completed, but a close guess would be 800. Since you are not a subscriber, you may not be familiar with how "The Airgun Letter" operates. When we test a rifle such as the TX 200 Mark III, we often test it more than once.

For the Beeman R1, which we tested in 1994 and '95, we published a record 9 articles, including the famous "Mainspring failure test" in which each of four different R1 mainsprings was left cocked for 735 hours, or one full month. We documented the power remaining in eacch spring at various hourly increments, and then published the most comprehensive set of test data ever written on airgun mainsprings. That test series was so well-received I put it into my R1 book.

After testing for the June, 2000 TX 200 Mark III article, our rifle went on to be the testbed rifle for the 6-18 power Swift scope test, which is reported in the current (August) issue of the newsletter. That brings the total number of shots on that gun to well over 1,000, of course. By the time we are finished with this rifle, our readers will know everything we are able to find out about it, plus they will have our documented tests, if they want to compare their own guns.

This level of thoroughness is most revealing. For example, when we purchased the TX 200 Mark II from former airgunsmith Jim Maccari back in 1994, he tuned it for us. He said he found several minor imperfections, which he corrected at tuning.

After testing Jim's excellent tune, we sent the same rifle to airgunsmith Ken Reeves. Ken found many MORE faults with the powerplant, including some rust and metal galling. This was AFTER Jim's tune, mind you!

Ken tuned the rifle with a high power Ox mainspring - a novel spring coiled from wire having a square cross section. Many people, including Jim Maccari (da Man, I believe someone called him) said the Ox would quickly break.

Not only did the Ox spring NOT break, the rifle kept increasing in velocity and smoothness over many months, until it hit 920 f.p.s., where it has remained for four years/8,000-10,000 shots.

That illustrates the thoroughness with which we test many of the airguns on which we report. So the TX 200 Mark III has a lot more in store for it. "It ain't over yet!"

Thanks for asking

Tom Gaylord
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Msg. 276803  Posted by Wade on August 18, 2000 at 13:07:52:

In Reply to: Re: Violating A Personal Prime Directive ... posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 08:19:11:

He mentioned the horizontal distance to be about
30 feet, which would have no significant poi change.
If the shot were taken at a much longer distance
and gravity had a chance to play a part, then the
high shot would be a good call.
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Msg. 276802  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 18, 2000 at 13:06:33:

In Reply to: Daisy 747 posted by Gary on August 18, 2000 at 13:04:12:

I saw a merchant referring to an add-on dovetail mount for the 717 series of pistols. Surfing the web -- can't remember who, but it may be a Daisy item -- call them.
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Msg. 276801  Posted by Gary on August 18, 2000 at 13:04:12:

Is there some way of mounting a red dot sight on the 747? Does the pistol have a dove tail grove on it or some other way of mounting sights? Are these pistols pretty accurate? How do the compair with the P3?

Thanks

Gary
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Msg. 276800  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 13:01:12:

In Reply to: Re: Curious about Bulk CO2... posted by Joe Whittaker on August 18, 2000 at 05:57:58:

is a Fire extinguisher supply company. They often have used 20-lb. bulk tanks for sale cheap, and getting your bulk tank filled by them is usually about $1/lb., as Joe already noted. DON'T get your bottles filled at a paintball shop, they usually charge 35 to 45 cents PER OUNCE, hell, you might as well use powerlets at these prices! Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276799  Posted by Bill on August 18, 2000 at 12:55:02:

In Reply to: Re: Chinese Tech Force Air Rifles posted by jukt on August 18, 2000 at 05:15:12:

The TF 38 is a good gun. I have a new one with nearly a thousand pellets through it with no problems. Is it a 1000 FPS magnum? Its not one of those but it still is a fun inexpensive plinker well worth the money.
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Msg. 276798  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 12:54:47:

In Reply to: I disagree with you Russ! ( "OOH, now I'm in trouble!) :-) posted by Darry H on August 18, 2000 at 09:10:14:

;-)
Unc

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Msg. 276797  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 12:52:00:

In Reply to: Bushnell 3200 - 5-15/40 AO - anyone? posted by Hans de Haan on August 18, 2000 at 12:37:56:

Good scope, not quite up to the 4200 of course, but still better than a whole lot others. I rate them a good value for the money myself. Swinson could probably advise you better, he has more experience with B&L scopes. Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 276796  Posted by FPoole on August 18, 2000 at 12:49:52:

In Reply to: Re: The current quality of Air Arms products.How many rounds through it? posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 11:50:57:

MBoyle, about 100 when it happened. Sounded as loud or louded than a .22 rimfire.
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Msg. 276795  Posted by Hans de Haan on August 18, 2000 at 12:37:56:

Anyone already bought one? If so what do you think of it? It seems the perfect companion for my R9TK and possibly others.
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Msg. 276794  Posted by Mike in Indy on August 18, 2000 at 12:37:31:

In mid-June I purchased an HW-97 "Millenium" and almost immediately had to send it to Beeman to repair a loose hinge pin in the cocking mechanism. They did this quickly
and even threw in a super tune for free.

Since the tune-up the gun has been dieseling a lot, so last evening I decided to clean it with my Beeman cleaning kit (a Zip Kit). The first time through the patch came
out really dirty as I expected. When I tried to put the cleaning wire through the barrel with a second patch it went exactly 15-1/4 inches and hit something hard.
No amount of "jiggling" would make it go any farther up the barrel! Looking down the muzzle with a flashlight I can see a few inches down a shiny ring of what looks
like lead fragments. This does not block the barrel completly, but restricts it enough that the cleaning wire end will not pass it.

What could this be and why would running a cleaning patch through the gun create this problem? My only guess is there is a gap at the end of the barrel where the muzzle
brake fits on and lead fragments have been collecting there. Then first patch somehow rolled up all the lead and created an obstruction in this gap??

I just talked with one of Beeman's gunsmiths and he had never heard of such a thing. He said I should send it to them. I have had the gun exactly two months today and
this would be its second trip to the factory. Obviously I am not a happy camper. Anyone got an idea how what happened and how to fix it?

Tnx, Mike in Indy
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Msg. 276793  Posted by tr on August 18, 2000 at 12:35:14:

In Reply to: Re: Why can't you trap? posted by David on August 17, 2000 at 16:50:39:

I've had trouble with frontal head shots but with patience you should be able to get side shots easily. Put out bait - peanut butter on crackers is good - and make two piles so he has to turn from one to the other. I have taken raccoon with the Crosman 760 so it can be done with little power but you've got to hit exactly the right spot. I think with frontal shots you often shoot under the brain, causing pain but not stopping him. Your power level for .22 sounds too high to me. If you are in a neighborhood trying not to be noticed this isn't going to work, you may be as loud as a firearm. My 392 at 5 pumps is too distinctly a shot in my area. (but i don't need more than 3).

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Msg. 276792  Posted by nin1974 on August 18, 2000 at 12:32:44:

In Reply to: Re: how does Beeman P1+Crow Magnum Pellet for (rodent)hunting sound??? posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 08:28:03:

..
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Msg. 276791  Posted by nin1974 on August 18, 2000 at 12:32:38:

In Reply to: Re: how does Beeman P1+Crow Magnum Pellet for (rodent)hunting sound??? posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 08:28:03:

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Msg. 276790  Posted by Shane on August 18, 2000 at 12:28:49:

In Reply to: Airguns canada only sells Crosman, is this true? posted by s[i]lencer on August 17, 2000 at 15:40:48:

Visit their website to be sure but the picture at

http://airgunscanada.hypermart.net/serv02.htm

would suggest they have a large range of products.

And there is now:

http://communities.msn.com/AirgunsCanada

If you go there right now you may even be the first
contributer.

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Msg. 276789  Posted by Jerry on August 18, 2000 at 12:24:44:

In Reply to: Leapers 6x40 AO Scope posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 23:07:49:

Tough scope. Will stand a lot of punishment.
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Msg. 276788  Posted by tr on August 18, 2000 at 12:22:22:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin/Sheridan 392 lubrication posted by Fred on August 17, 2000 at 16:18:49:

Dunno if it gets up to the bolt.

But I lube my pellets for the 392. I don't have a .22 springer, so I just squirt all my .22 pellets. Enough oil gets from the pellet to the bolt, I think.
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Msg. 276787  Posted by peter huppertz on August 18, 2000 at 12:13:44:

In Reply to: Re: Gun suit thrown out...... posted by Art on August 16, 2000 at 09:00:30:

... this wasn't the Country, or any Federal body... it was the city of Cincinnatti!
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Msg. 276786  Posted by Greg S on August 18, 2000 at 12:11:59:

In Reply to: Re: Does anyone ever used a bushnell 3x9-40,are bushnell any good? posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 01:03:43:

Pneumatic rifle

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Msg. 276784  Posted by peter huppertz on August 18, 2000 at 12:09:15:

In Reply to: God Bless America (nt) posted by AirMonkey on August 17, 2000 at 11:55:31:

We've been watching bits and pieces of both the Republican and the Democratic conventions lately. It was big fun, especially when we got to the part of imagining what it would be like if our politicians would have to go through all that!

As to restricting Internet contents, my remark is a bit more serious -- America (and yes, Canada also) could definitely do with some blessing in that department!

cheers,
peter
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Msg. 276783  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 12:00:06:

In Reply to: TX piston seal? posted by FPoole on August 18, 2000 at 11:51:55:

not sure if james Maccari is still doing them as i havnt been on the site in looking for that stuff but i think if he has them he is da man
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Msg. 276782  Posted by wved on August 18, 2000 at 11:52:32:

In Reply to: Not on my R9 posted by Gary on August 18, 2000 at 10:11:11:

My brother put a lightweight Beeman muzzle break on his Steelgate sprung R9 and the 30 yard groups immediately moved 1" (real surprising to me!). Once his gun was re-zero'd, he has been able to shoot excellent groups! I have a 5 bull target with one 3 shot group at each bull. The LARGEST group (had a flier) was 1/4" and the rest were one round hole. The nice thing about the break is that it saves the blueing on the gun barrel from wear. He wishes he had attached the break sooner because in the sun you can see where the original barrel blueing was worn thin from much cocking.
Regards, wved
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Msg. 276781  Posted by FPoole on August 18, 2000 at 11:51:55:

Is there a better than stock piston seal for the TX 200? If so, where do I get one?
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Msg. 276780  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 11:50:57:

In Reply to: Re: The current quality of Air Arms products. posted by Tom Gaylord on August 18, 2000 at 08:36:56:

just one Qustion. howmany rounds did you put through the TX200
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Msg. 276779  Posted by FPoole on August 18, 2000 at 11:36:58:

In Reply to: What is the current state of quality of Air Arms products ? posted by TStray on August 17, 2000 at 18:15:26:

My PE in .22 is doing well after 2-3000 shots, and I received it in May. My TX is suffering from dieseling so much that it shot a few supersonic shots. I can see a lot of assembly grease oozing out, so ti is probably overlubed. I plan to clean it out myself. Fit and finish is very good on both guns.
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Msg. 276778  Posted by docwells on August 18, 2000 at 11:27:52:

In Reply to: Recommendtions for a good airgun competition book? posted by Mikel F. on August 18, 2000 at 10:56:30:

Try pellethead in the resources section of the AGL. I think that there are both pistol and rifle books available. You may also want to check out the Airguns Express site.
HTH,
docwells

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Msg. 276777  Posted by Canary on August 18, 2000 at 11:11:31:

In Reply to: Any body been ratting? posted by Ian on August 17, 2000 at 09:00:50:

I saw some rats munching outside a petstore, several of them matter of fact, on broad daylight. I was thinking of a minivan with a porthole for such mission impossible assignment in an urban area. Obviously a very quiet gun would help since it is off a few yards from a well traveled highway.
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Msg. 276775  Posted by DaveG on August 18, 2000 at 11:07:15:

In Reply to: Re: A-Team regulator and spring kit posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 18, 2000 at 11:00:16:

Thanks! And yes, I think once you get good and familiar with that gun, you will find quite a few things you enjoy!
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 276774  Posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 18, 2000 at 11:00:16:

In Reply to: Re: A-Team regulator and spring kit posted by DaveG on August 18, 2000 at 10:52:17:

Dave...I gave up golf, because I could never hit the ball consistently..total frustration. After reading your post, I realized I was going about the game the wrong way. With the Career I might love hitting golf balls again.

Thanks, and good luck at the Nationals,

Wayne
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Msg. 276773  Posted by Mikel F. on August 18, 2000 at 10:56:30:

Hi. Would anybody recommend a good airgun book,
focusing on 10m match air rifle shooting?

Would appreciate it very much.
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Msg. 276772  Posted by TimH on August 18, 2000 at 10:52:20:

Guys,


Anyone have any info with the Rx-1 safety\trigger problem around? Rx-1's sear is not engaging anymore? I recall I have heard this problem before. Never thought it would happen to me. let me know if you can help,

TimH
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Msg. 276771  Posted by DaveG on August 18, 2000 at 10:52:17:

In Reply to: Re: A-Team regulator and spring kit posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 18, 2000 at 10:43:27:

Materials are in the house, but I'm shooting the nationals next week, so that is the prime focus today... I get back into the shop when we return from Minnesota, and everything I have should be wrapped up in a couple of weeks.
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 276770  Posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 18, 2000 at 10:43:27:

In Reply to: Re: A-Team regulator and spring kit posted by DaveG on August 18, 2000 at 10:25:25:

Thanks Dave..I will call Ray today. One more thing, have you started on my stock yet.

Wayne

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Msg. 276768  Posted by James L on August 18, 2000 at 10:42:57:

In Reply to: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? posted by Eli Gratz on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:46:

If you want a fun plinker and mouse blaster than yes its well worth it. If you want a serious hunting airgun then you need to look else where.
I love my 1077W its a lot of fun on a sunday afternoon to blast the "cowboys & indians" and then go on a "Dinosaur" safari (all courdisy of my local Dallor store) Its fun to blast away at a row of tin cans too and this winter I plan to make a bell ringer target too. If I however want to blast chipmonks then I use another gun. the BSA supersport maybe or the CR160 (If I want overkill I use the Quackenbush 25 of the CR1100 with a 77 grain round ball) It all depends on what you want/need it to do. The gun(CR1077) is great fun so much so I went out and bought the Walnut version and sold my plastic one. Its a keeper.
James L
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Msg. 276767  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 10:40:56:

In Reply to: Betty Ford Clinic new airgun addiction wing posted by Brad Troyer on August 18, 2000 at 09:26:05:

Yeah but, Brad you know you can't treat ANY addict unless they want to overcome their addiction! So them folks can just let me be, I'm just fine and so are you, thank you! [GRIN!] Cheers!
Unc

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Re: Anchutz 250 Match air rifle


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Msg. 276766  Posted by Tom Gaylord on August 18, 2000 at 10:40:47:

In Reply to: Anchutz 250 Match air rifle posted by Ray M. on August 18, 2000 at 09:35:41:

Ray,

I'm glad to answer your questions on the 250. I have owned two of them and handled many more.

The 250 was popular back in the 1970s, when it was truly a world-class 10-meter target rifle. It is a recoilless spring rifle that operates on a unique principal. When the air-compression piston shoots forward to compress air for the shot, another weighted piston shoots backwards. This piston is inside a sealed oil reservoir, so it only moves a fraction of an inch, but that is enough to completely cancel the forward thrust of the real (compression) piston, when it slams to a stop.

The rifle cocks via a short sidelever, which has the most beautiful ratchet safety mechanism. It almost sounds like winding a fine clock.

The rifle is large and heavy, and is stocked in walnut. The earlier ones are checkered on the pistol grip, the later ones are stippled.

Typically, there will be a hairline crack that runs horizontally through the pistol grip, following the grain of the wood. These cracks were always stable on the 20 or so guns I have seen. In other words - no problem.

The sights are another thing of beauty, especially the rear one. As a result, many times they have been removed. I would subtract $150 for this.

An excellent 250 is worth $500-600 these days. Any blemishes in the bluing or wood detract from that, of course.

As for faults, the 250 has two: a leaky oil reservoir and a weak spring. You can refill the oil reservoir yourself, if you get an owner's manual for the gun, and the mainspring is also easily replacable. John Groenewold probably has the springs, or something equivalent. If your oil reservoir REALLY pours oil, Neal Johnnson, out in Colorado can fix it by installing two O-rings. This work is not inexpensive!

Don't buy a 250 as a competitive rifle, but as a fine vintage airgun that shoots well - it's hard to beat!

Regards

Tom Gaylord
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Msg. 276765  Posted by Michael Aos on August 18, 2000 at 10:39:11:

In Reply to: Benjamin/Sheridan 392 lubrication posted by Fred on August 17, 2000 at 13:48:53:

http://www.mac1airgun.com/maintenance.html
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Msg. 276764  Posted by Ray M. on August 18, 2000 at 10:33:00:

In Reply to: Re: Anchutz 250 Match air rifle posted by docwells on August 18, 2000 at 10:26:13:

Thanks for the info.

Ray M.
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Msg. 276763  Posted by docwells on August 18, 2000 at 10:26:13:

In Reply to: Anchutz 250 Match air rifle posted by Ray M. on August 18, 2000 at 09:35:41:

Check way down on the site, maybe an inch from scrolling all the way to the bottom and there is a similar post answered by driskill (sp?) Should answer your question.
docwells

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Msg. 276762  Posted by DaveG on August 18, 2000 at 10:25:25:

In Reply to: A-Team regulator and spring kit posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 18, 2000 at 10:07:54:

Wayne, you won't loose anything... well except maybe a couple FPS off the top. Contact Ray(ATeam), and tell him exactly what you want to use the gun for, and he'll put a reg. together for you. By giving up a few top end fps you are rewarded by a much more consistant gun throughout the charge range. I have my .22 set up like this, and the thing is just awesome. I was out on the range last weekend, and nailed a golf ball on the bank, behind the 100 yards stands, 27 out of 30 times...
I get 60 shots, before I ever have to think about touching the power wheel...
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 276761  Posted by Rolo101 on August 18, 2000 at 10:16:24:

In Reply to: Violating A Personal Prime Directive ... posted by bcd on August 18, 2000 at 02:20:03:

Heart lungs shot, specially if it compromises both lungs is VERY effective. A massive bleeding leads to an almost instantly blood pressure drop on the vessel system. The brain detects the lack of irrigation and disconnects to avoid brain damage (called blackout). To get a good heart lung shot is much easier also, because the sensitive area is much bigger than the brain or even the medula oblongata, specially on small critters.
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Msg. 276760  Posted by Gary on August 18, 2000 at 10:11:11:

In Reply to: Can a muzzlebreak effect accuracy? posted by Tom L. on August 17, 2000 at 22:28:35:

Tom

It didn't make any difference on my R9 at all. I put the break on after using the rifle for a while and the groups were the same. I have put 6 shots on top of each other at 25 yards. Can't do it all the time but that's me not the rifle.

Gary
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Msg. 276759  Posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 18, 2000 at 10:08:46:

In Reply to: Re: IZH-61 Magazine and rear sight posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 18, 2000 at 09:23:00:

Dr. Matusic,
Thank you for your help! I looked at the illustation in the manual and I was doing exactly as you stated! Well thank you for not ribbing me too bad! Once explained, it makes perfect sense. Thank you, Ugo.
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Msg. 276758  Posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 18, 2000 at 10:07:54:

I was wondering if I install a regulator in my Mac-1 career. What kind of fps range will I get, and how much will I loose of Mac-1's power wheel modification range. This gun is used primarily for hunting.

Thank you,

Wayne
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Re: Eley Wasp Domes


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Msg. 276757  Posted by Bubba on August 18, 2000 at 09:53:48:

In Reply to: Re: Eley Wasp Domes posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:23:36:

Russ,
I am finer than frog hair. Thanks for askin'.

I don't own a Walther LG-55. I don't even know what that is. If it is a rifle, and you are using it at regulation air rifle silhoutte distances, with peep sights, I am sure suprised that them wasps do that good. If it is a pistol, I am curious about your use of peep sights. Reckon I had thought of that too, but never tried it. I think it would work, if the right combination of sights could be found. Tell me more please.

We still sperimentin here at the Southern Test Facility (STF) Been shootin a lot of pistols and once in a while drag out a dusty ole rifle, and shoot it. Also workin with some match rifles at BVR, and off hand 10m. Iffin I could stop swayin back n forth, reckon I could hit somethin with them. Been shootin more than tradin. Painful withdrawal from tradin, but I have got some good equipment now, and tradin wernt makin my shootin any better. Havin a hard time gettin the locals to shoot with me cause the results are always the same. I beat em. Tried to dumb down, but hours of practice to shoot well, make this hard to do. Good habits die as hard as bad ones. So I remain the crazy ole fart with the pellets guns and a range in the house, and one out in the back yard. Covered (roofed over) and widened the patio this year, and added lights to shoot after dark, and a cieling fan, and shades on each side (east and west) to keep as cool as possible.

Welp, I reckon I'm done now. Hope this finds you well and prosperous.

Respectfully,
Bubba
Lonley in Nixa, MO.
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Msg. 276756  Posted by Mark Budai on August 18, 2000 at 09:43:59:

In Reply to: CO2 Cartridges posted by Mark Budai on August 17, 2000 at 14:25:21:

Thanks, all! I think I will attempt to do double recycling: use my 2X4 and drill, then drag the cartridges off somewhere after they have finished their second life...
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Msg. 276755  Posted by Chris on August 18, 2000 at 09:43:29:

In Reply to: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? posted by Eli Gratz on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:46:

If you don't intend to buy another gun this will fine. But as soon as you upgrade to a decent springer this would've been a waste of money. But if you do get it buy lots of Co2, extra mags and lots of cheap pellets then go out and have fun.
:-)
chris
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Msg. 276754  Posted by DaveG on August 18, 2000 at 09:42:18:

In Reply to: Re: A-team Reg and Spring Kit... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 18, 2000 at 09:01:28:

the one in my .22 (hunting gun) is set at 1850psi, and I get 60 shots at 908fps-cp 14.3's with a max of 1170fps. The .177's are set for 1600, and 1650fps, and I'm shooting those at 850-910fps w/cp 10.5's, for the 80 shots... I don't know what the max fps are on these, as I just looked to get it into the right fp range for accuracy, and legality in F/T. They are set very low on the power wheel though...
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 276753  Posted by Ray M. on August 18, 2000 at 09:35:41:

Hi,

I'm interested in purchasing a used Anchutz 250 match air rifle. Does anyone have some information on this gun. The owner is clueless and got it from a relative.

Ray M.
St. Paul, MN
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Msg. 276752  Posted by Brad Troyer on August 18, 2000 at 09:26:05:

In Reply to: Airgunaholic posted by Sid Edgewater on August 17, 2000 at 22:01:35:


The people at the Betty Ford Clinic have contacted me recently to
let me know that they have opened a new wing of the clinic for airgun
addiction. They have seen increasing instances of airgun addiction
hear in the US and saw the need to help some airgunners "dry-out".
They will use a 12 step program to help addicted airgunners break
free of their addiction and learn that there are more important
things in life than airguns (those are their words, not mine).
Perhaps some others are addicted to airguns, but I don't have a
problem with airguns, no, really, I don't.

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Msg. 276751  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 18, 2000 at 09:23:00:

In Reply to: IZH-61 Magazine and rear sight posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 18, 2000 at 08:11:00:

This is one post that I had a great laugh with and even I have to restrain from any name calling (all in fun of course). This is one of those simple (stupid) mistakes we can all make and I have made them myself.

First, the clip is bored a little too much so that the pellets fit loosely. When you turn the clip over, the pellets will fall out. You have to angle the gun muzzle down the fit the clip in so the pellets won't fall out.

Second, when the clip is properly inserted ALL THE WAY IN, the pellets are all contained within the gun and CANNOT fall out. With each actualtion of the cocking lever the clip is advanced to the next pellet. I think you must be pushing it in just enough to get the first pellet in, then firing and then pushing it in more for the second pellet.
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Msg. 276750  Posted by Robert on August 18, 2000 at 09:11:05:

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Msg. 276749  Posted by Darry H on August 18, 2000 at 09:10:14:

In Reply to: Re: Airgunaholic posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 01:01:49:

I see two cures for airgunitis. I see these cures EVERY day. One is "laziness", and just not taking the time to shoot.
The other cure is "a Wife", who has not been invited to join in the hobby with her husband.

I have found that if you can at least get the wife sitting down and watching you shoot, you can often times get the gun into their hands.
My wife does not like to hunt and kill things, but she loves to shoot. She does not mind my hunting. Take the time to get friends, relatives, and your family involved with the shooting sports. It will benefit us all!!!!!
(by the way Russ, I know that none of this is actually anything you didn't already know!!!)
Good Shootin!!
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Msg. 276748  Posted by Robert on August 18, 2000 at 09:09:45:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin/Sheridan 392 lubrication posted by steve on August 17, 2000 at 18:17:55:

Typically I have been using 30 wt non-detergent, when I can get it. If not a drop of air tool oil
has worked fine. Have had my Benj. 312 for 33 yrs.
No problems. Same with 342 purchased last year and the 397 I got this year. Just don't get crazy with the oiling. A drop or 2 on the pivot points in the linkage every 200 shots or so.
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Msg. 276747  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 09:07:25:

In Reply to: Re: Shucks! (nt) posted by dscott on August 16, 2000 at 19:01:02:

thats what makes it an Olypic event. the grips made for one hand..better the grip the better the feel..to help get a dumbbell 3-5lb and work the arm like the wieght is the gun..relaxed but strong bring it up to the target..this will help some plus practice practice practice..look for Don Nygords website and pilkingtons\plinkgun site for info and advice
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Msg. 276746  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 18, 2000 at 09:01:28:

In Reply to: Re: A-team Reg and Spring Kit... posted by DaveG on August 18, 2000 at 08:21:55:

Dave,

What PSI are your regs set up at?

Marty
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Msg. 276745  Posted by Darry H on August 18, 2000 at 09:00:57:

In Reply to: Beeman GS700 vs. Gamo Young Hunter posted by Young Shotter on August 17, 2000 at 23:17:15:

I say they are very close to the same!!!
I shoot both quite a bit, as I sell them and have to sight them in frequently.
With iron sights, I find the Young Hunter to be a bit easier to get consistent groups out of. The reason is, the Young Hunter has a blade front sight, while the GS700 has a bead front sight. With a scope, they are VERY close. I usually see the edge go to the Young Hunter though. The big difference is power. The young Hunter is advertised at 590FPS, The GS700 at 700FPS. Neither usually make their claims, but the GS700 is a better "hunting" gun. I find it is a bit underpowered for rabbits and squirrels, and best for sparrows and the occassional pidgeon.
Hope this helps.
Good Shootin!!
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Re: Owners of more than one gun how do ya..........


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Msg. 276744  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 08:51:50:

In Reply to: Owners of more than one gun how do ya.......... posted by Tom B on August 16, 2000 at 20:03:41:

tom when i get bored with the recoiless one hole groups of a FWB 65..i switch to my P1 ..when i want to shoot longer range i switch to the R1..and when i get the jw80 ill switch to recoiless longer ranges still..thats how ;)
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Re: You will shoot your eye out!


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Msg. 276743  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 08:48:19:

In Reply to: You will shoot your eye out! posted by Pepi (IN) on August 16, 2000 at 20:04:53:

Pepi when you arent tought, you learn on yer own..some times you learn very wrong things..if they just ask will i get hurt doing this? will the gun get hurt? will i hurt some one doing this? if they just ask this of themself they may learn something useful "commen sense"which is lacking with many today with no dad teaching them about how NOT to do stuff and howto do stuff..
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Re: The current quality of Air Arms products.


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Msg. 276742  Posted by Tom Gaylord on August 18, 2000 at 08:36:56:

In Reply to: What is the current state of quality of Air Arms products ? posted by TStray on August 17, 2000 at 18:15:26:

We tested the latest TX 200 Mark III in the June 2000 issue of "The Airgun Letter." We tested the gun SPECIFICALLY because there were rumors of quality problems, even though all the recent TX 200s I have seen were in excellent condition.

What we found was that the new TX is an even better air rifle than the older Mark II. It shoots smoother right from the box, the bull "barrel" (actually, it's a barrel jacket that houses a silencer) looks nicer, the gun cocks far easier than the Mark II, it shoots harder, the offensive hold-open ratchet has been redesigned to a much nicer operation, and the cocking lever lockup is much more positive. To get a Mark II to shoot as nice as the new Mark III, you would have to tune it.

As far as accuracy is concerned, the new rifle is still a TX, which means it will equal anything less than a Whiscombe, and it beats most other springers, hands down.

The only complaint I had with the Mark III was the pressed checkering. There is also some spring twang in the new guns, but I plan to get rid of it soon, on our test rifle.

Others have told you what they think. This is what we found after a thorough shooting test. Soon, we will open up our gun and go inside for a closer look. From the performance we been getting, I'm pretty confident we will find everything in the right place.

As for the other guns in the Air Arms line, all the examples I have seen recently look great. That doesn't mean there will never be a problem. All airguns (except for Venomacs tuned by Ivan Hancock and Whiscombes) can have probelms. But you work with the dealer and get things put right. Look at the five years we have been laboring to get our test Beeman Crow Magnum III to shoot accurately, and the story was only just finished in June of this year.

When you read bad things (or overly good things, for that matter) on the Internet about certain airguns - stop and consider the source for a moment. What does the person doing the writing have to gain by what they are saying? A lot of what gets "reported" is filled with hidden agendas.

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Msg. 276741  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 08:33:22:

In Reply to: What scopes are least affected by parallax errors nt posted by Mike G on August 17, 2000 at 20:36:55:

a scope with AO adjustment like trophy or Elite. for airguns 10yrds to 50feet and out, is best both buy Bushnell..there are others the A-team has a great page on adjusting AO.
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Re: Why can't you trap?


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Msg. 276740  Posted by DougWall on August 18, 2000 at 08:32:29:

In Reply to: Re: Why can't you trap? posted by David on August 17, 2000 at 16:50:39:

Sounds like you're the expert on trapping. The problem with straight on frontal shouts is that the skull is sloped and the pellet might "slide off". If you can't get a side head shot, how about a down angle into the top of the skull? Pointed pellet would probably be best.
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Msg. 276739  Posted by trevor on August 18, 2000 at 08:29:49:

In Reply to: Airshot gun/pistols posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:35:39:

DON"T DO IT!Frogs are protected(here anyway) now-when I was a kid in the 30s-40s there were billions of frogs around.Now you never see or hear them.Spare the little green hoppers!!
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Msg. 276738  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 08:28:03:

In Reply to: how does Beeman P1+Crow Magnum Pellet for (rodent)hunting sound??? posted by steve on August 17, 2000 at 23:06:36:

not sure of the range or the cal but id try the FTS\ H&N field target trophy smooths they will have good speed in the gun and the soft lead will impact about as good as a H-point..P1 is a little slow for the H-points
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Msg. 276737  Posted by DougWall on August 18, 2000 at 08:27:22:

In Reply to: Airshot gun/pistols posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:35:39:

Try it on a pop can with a picture of a frog taped to it. If you can't put 4-5 shot pellets into the kill zone on the picture, and go through the can, don't try it on a live frog!
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Msg. 276736  Posted by DaveG on August 18, 2000 at 08:21:55:

In Reply to: Re: A-team Reg and Spring Kit... posted by Jim Slomski on August 17, 2000 at 22:55:49:

As Jim said, you can find the ATeam links on the resources page, and they do have quite a bit of documentation on their site about the things you ask about...
The reg. is just that, a regulator, and depending on your needs/wants they set one up that will work for you. I have four of em, in four different 707's, and I swear by em'! In my .177 F/T rig I get approx 80 shots per fill, with less than a 7 fps spread form shot 1 to shot 80... never have to touch the power wheel. The hammer spring kit is very easy to install, and the additional trigger spring makes for one very light trigger...
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 276735  Posted by Tom L. on August 18, 2000 at 08:19:55:

In Reply to: IZH-61 Magazine and rear sight posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 18, 2000 at 08:11:00:

I have one but I,m not sure what you mean by "fly out"
is the magazine coming out? CP lites work well.
Golden Toller has some options for sights, but I
have found the peep site discs that came with the gun
to be quite adequate and accurate. It's a cool,
accurate and addicting little gun Have fun..
Tom L.
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Msg. 276734  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 08:19:11:

In Reply to: Violating A Personal Prime Directive ... posted by bcd on August 18, 2000 at 02:20:03:

you may have hit just a bit high on the bunny. you might play with a protractor and slop dop it so you know if you are hitting high or not 5 degree angle shouldnt matter much but 30-45+ degree's will matter.
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Msg. 276733  Posted by docwells on August 18, 2000 at 08:18:54:

In Reply to: IZH-61 Magazine and rear sight posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 18, 2000 at 08:11:00:

Could you give more details. I just got mine the other day, and can't picture how what you've described can happen. If you put the magazine in until it's flush, the pellets shouldn't be able to fall out. They are in the magazine well. If you are not pushing the magazine in all the way, I could see where the problem is. The mechanism was a little strange at first, but I can't imagine how the pellets could fall out if the magazine is placed correctly.
Add a little more detail and someone on the forum should be able to solve this one.
docwells

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Msg. 276732  Posted by James L on August 18, 2000 at 08:14:44:

In Reply to: 2240 VS. Backpacker posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:47:17:

Quackenbush custom 25 caliber carbine. A barrel a little shorter than a 2250, a bit longer than a 2240. Steel reciever iron sights and a crosman shoulder stock. I have also added a dot sight using the crosman scope mount.(1/2 of them)
25 caliber pellets 20 grains at 420 fps what more could you want. And accurate too. Great carbine.
I love it.
James L
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Msg. 276731  Posted by M Boyle on August 18, 2000 at 08:14:30:

In Reply to: Steve, regarding the Mac 1 LD pistol... posted by Fearon Steele on August 18, 2000 at 04:05:56:

fearon the 25cal Quacks like an elephant gun.of airguns.off hand i forget in willeyM was hitting 450 or not but im sure it was under 500fps it still was hitting with a WHACK!!
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Msg. 276730  Posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 18, 2000 at 08:11:00:

I just received my new IZH-61 and was wondering if any one else has had this problem. I load the magazine with pellets, I load the magazine into the rifle, when I pull the trigger the pellets in the magazine fly out due to the rifles recoil. If this is my ignorance please let me know how to fix the situation. Are special pellets to be used? I'm using RWS Superdomes, Chinese Match 4.5 and Beeman Match. I think this rifle has some very good points like its trigger and front sight. The rear sight is very poorly made. Any recommendation for an aperture rear sight? Thank you for your input, this forum is excellent. Ugo
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Msg. 276729  Posted by TCooper on August 18, 2000 at 07:52:30:

In Reply to: Re: HW30 piston seal posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 00:57:12:

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Msg. 276728  Posted by Mitch on August 18, 2000 at 07:37:45:

In Reply to: Re: Curious about Bulk CO2... posted by Airsmith on August 18, 2000 at 07:24:56:

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Msg. 276727  Posted by Penn on August 18, 2000 at 07:28:32:

In Reply to: CO2 Cartridges posted by Mark Budai on August 17, 2000 at 14:25:21:

Carry them to a nearby factory with scrap metal bins outside, and dump them in there. You may need to call and make sure it's okay first.

They also make good targets... just drill holes in a 2x4 to stand them up. Do NOT shoot any steel BB's at them.
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Msg. 276726  Posted by Airsmith on August 18, 2000 at 07:24:56:

In Reply to: Curious about Bulk CO2... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 20:27:39:

I don't usually post, but before you injure yourself or anyone else, I thought I give you a hand.
C02 at equilibrium at room temperature is gas form at 850-900psi for 40% of volume and 60% liquid CO2. Therefore a gauge will never tell you how much CO2 you have left at lower temperatures the gauge will read less than 850 and at higher temperatures the gauge will read greater than 900 psi.
What you want to measure is the liquid form of C02.
A completely full 7 ounce tank will weight 7 ounces more than the empty 7 ounce tank. A Full tank is 60% by volume liquid weight of 7 ounces.
What you should do is weight your tank dry and empty. Add 7 ounces to the dry and empty weight, and etch it into the tank or mark the valve with the total. That is your full weight. Do not exceed this when filling.
You may purchase a 15 or 20 pound tank from a welding/fire extingusiher service or gas shop. Make sure it has a siphon tube in it. What the siphon tube does is allows you to fill using the liquid portion of the C02. It is just a tube that extends down from the vavle to the bottom of the tank. Otherwise you will have to turn your tank upside down anytime you want to fill.
A 5 or 10 pound tank for soda machines are quite uncommon now days, and chances are they are out of date of their hydro inspections.
In anycase, about 20% of the C02 will tend to be left in the bulk fill tank (unless you use advanced techniques to obtain the C02 which we won't get into). Therefore a 5 or 10 pound tank won't be feesable. So a 20 pound tank will yield about 16 pounds theoretically if there is no waste. Allowing for waste and other factors you should get at least 12 usuable pounds out of a 20 pound tank. That roughly breaks down to (12X16)divide by 7. About 27 or so fills.
Quick chilling a tank (fill the tank, then empty it rapidly to chill the tank) to fill generally works well, but you must take into conisderation that solid C02 sometimes forms inside the tank, also the condensation on the outside tends to though off the weight.
Freezing the tank also works well but it takes a long time.
Make sure that your bulk fill tank has a CGA 322 valve and a siphon tube.
Be Careful, liquid CO2 will take an eye out.

Anymore questions juse email me xtreme@hi.net

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Msg. 276725  Posted by ^tg^ on August 18, 2000 at 07:14:13:

In Reply to: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? posted by Eli Gratz on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:46:

buy it and bulk it!!! this is a fun gun and quite accurate.......inspite of what other people say, the trigger is very predictable once you learn its 3 stages......buy some extra clips and magazine have a ball!!!!

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Msg. 276724  Posted by DougWall on August 18, 2000 at 07:12:01:

In Reply to: Chinese Tech Force Air Rifles posted by KC on August 18, 2000 at 00:17:02:

I recently got a QB-88. It's breaking in nicely. Velocity is lower than advertised (600-650fps). The factory sights a pretty cheap. "Tech Force" is a Compasseco label. You can get the guns a lot cheaper through other dealers. The '88 is a good value.
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Msg. 276723  Posted by wayne on August 18, 2000 at 06:58:25:

In Reply to: Re: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? posted by Roland Martens on August 17, 2000 at 23:01:09:

I just traded my scoped 1077 for a Sheridan 397. The 1077 is a nice little rifle but be prepared to buy a lot of CO2 powerlets.
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