In Reply to: YOUR FIRST TIME... posted by Pel-It on August 03, 2000 at 17:08:26:
Sometime back in the 60's when I bagged a small varmint with the Crosman .22 pumper pistol I had just purchased as a replacement for my V300 BB pistol.
Jack
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so who?
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In Reply to: Re: Gamo 880 power? posted by TheMatrix on August 04, 2000 at 05:55:50:
Well I have the S890 Hunter which is about the same power
plant as yours and I am hammering squirrels at 40
yards through the lungs and breaking their backs!
I use the Crosman Premiers in 10.5 grain and it
also likes the Beeman Ram Jets.... the Crow Magnums
loose to much energy out at 40+ for my weapon.
I have it sighted in for 35yrds and I'm hitting
a Quarter size circle.. Take the trigger adj screw
clockwise as far as you can without the weapon
going off by itself and get used to the heavy trigger
pull, (no problem if you have done time in the military)
and you will be on your way! The Daisy Max Speeds
are way too lite for this powerplant.. No abaility to
group..
Randy
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In Reply to: Simmons 3-9x40 on a RX-1 / WH-90 posted by Marco on August 04, 2000 at 05:59:01:
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In Reply to: Local Laws posted by BUD on August 04, 2000 at 01:13:21:
It's a very common law in the USA.
I don't recall a lot of basements in NMB, SC. A garage can be used if it's long enough. Some folks I know shoot in their apartments or through a couple rooms in their house. Necessity is the mother......
It's not legal technically, but it's common to shoot inside one's home in the city. The key to this is;
(A) don't wave guns around outside advertizing the fact,
(B) shoot relatively quiet guns,
(C) don't wave guns around outside advertizing the fact,
(D) Be friends with your neighbors,
(E) don't wave guns around outside advertizing the fact.
And whatever you do, remeber this: don't wave guns around outside advertizing the fact.
There is a lot of land around your area where you could shoot airguns safely outside city limits. You'll just have to look for them and find land owners willing to let you shoot. Finding the owners is the tough part. It's not hard to convince someone to let you shoot an airgun if you demonstrate some responsibility.
A rock quarry might be a good place I suppose.
Jack
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In Reply to: Beeman Pellets posted by Cody Dotter on August 03, 2000 at 18:56:32:
Will the Beeman Crow Magnums work in a .22 cal.
Super Sport? What about Beeman SilverStings?
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In Reply to: Got a rat with my Crosman 1377 today... posted by Josh P. on August 03, 2000 at 20:48:13:
just got my 1322 on tuesday wil be doing alot of spureiling and ratting with it
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In Reply to: Re: Gamo 880 power? posted by Marco on August 04, 2000 at 06:10:01:
I use Walmart pellets...AKA Crosman Premiers, and Daisy MAXSpeeds. Also, do you think at about 15 yards, it could take a groundhog? Just wondering...It came with a BSA Sport scope...I'll get more details later, because I dont have the box, etc. here now.
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In Reply to: Gamo 880 power? posted by TheMatrix on August 04, 2000 at 05:55:15:
I own a one. VERY powerful. Enough to kill a pigeon, rabbit or crow with a headshot out to 50 yards, IF you can make a headshot...
Learn to control the trigger, and by doing so, your shot. Wich scope do you use?
Tip: Do not use the lightest pellets. Look for H&N Baracuda's or so. Where do you live?
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I might have the possibility to buy me a nice second-hand RX-1 / WH90 but I'm trying to confince the owner to sell me his Simmons 3-9x40 too. It's installed in a Dampa Mount.
Is this a good choice?
I owned a Tasco 3-9x40 wich broke in a day, and 3 Bushnell 3-9x32 ones wich do fine. How do you guys like Simmons?
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In Reply to: Gamo 880 power? posted by TheMatrix on August 04, 2000 at 05:55:15:
I forgot to say both are .177.
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I bought a Gamo 880 a few months ago, but winter came and I never really bothed to sight the scope that came with it. Finally I have made time (8 months later...isnt that scary I waited that long?) and I am curious as to the power it has. It is supposedly 1000 fps, but that's all I know. What kind of varmints could this take with a clean headshot from a relatively close distance? Thanks. Also, I have a Walther CP88, could that take a mouse from a few feet (headshot)? The Walther is 435 fps.
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In Reply to: Watch up!! the FBI has files of all of us. Check URL inside. posted by Marianillo on August 04, 2000 at 04:27:03:
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In Reply to: Peter it's quite possible. I might ask Swinson to let me try his. posted by Steve in CT on August 03, 2000 at 08:31:40:
I believe I'm getting this thing figured out -- it seems as if the latest models have the Lothar-Walther barrel, and possibly some other mods too.
The one I shot had the LW-barrel, and slugged heavy lead at an alarming rate and impressive accuracy.
If I figure this gun out right, it's only a matter of time before they come up with a multishot version.
peter
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In Reply to: Re: Scope choice decision ....... Swift that good really ??? posted by Derrin on August 03, 2000 at 23:30:27:
I gotta Swift 669MTA, and I am very happy with it. Their strongest point IMHO is exactly the optics. It's very nice that it has good, repeatable-action target turrets, it's nice that it's completely waterproof, but the optics is where it really shines. Rangefinding is almost "clicking" in and out with this quality level.
Some people accuse me of saying so because I happen to like Marty. I will admit to liking Marty, as well as liking his level of customer service, but hell, if I hated the man's guts, I would still stand by my opinion about the scope. Darn, I love it.
peter
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In Reply to: Watch up!! the FBI has files of all of us. Check URL inside. posted by Marianillo on August 04, 2000 at 04:27:03:
nt
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http://thecenter2000.com/access_public_records.htm
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In Reply to: which pistol? posted by CurtB on August 03, 2000 at 08:54:38:
Maybe a Umarez air pistol. They make CP88, Colt 1911, CP99, Beretta 92 and S&W look-a-like pistols - but are of a very good quality.
They're CO2 pistols (semi auto).
Not sure of dealer, but I'm sure someone on this forum would know.
Chris
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In Reply to: Re: Who sells Bisley magnum .22 pellets? posted by GMackeddie on August 03, 2000 at 10:52:39:
nt
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In Reply to: Scope Mounts for Springers posted by Harold on August 03, 2000 at 20:29:29:
the Burris signiture mounts with offset inserts look solid they are steel not alum. and the inserts will let you adjust for droop..if you want you could get Mac 1 droopers took the custom or one ones
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In Reply to: TF 90 or 96 Red Dot Sight for Super Max posted by Fun Supply on August 03, 2000 at 21:02:29:
sorry but will the RD30/22 work?
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In Reply to: Well, at least I'm not the only one... posted by John S. on August 04, 2000 at 02:14:26:
john its that fat middle thang..they cant make them fit all of us..it would drive the maker nuts with all the grip sizes..the 65 is an old pistol as ergonomics goes..you should see those adjustable grips now caunt, angle, twist. adjustments out the butt the 65 even with its age is still one of the best spring match guns..i hear the FWB 95 was even better with the electronic trigger
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is the super max a good air rifle? with daisy pellets what groups does it produce? crosman copperheads? gamo? rws meisterkugein?
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In Reply to: Local Laws posted by BUD on August 04, 2000 at 01:13:21:
rock quairy even
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In Reply to: Local Laws posted by BUD on August 04, 2000 at 01:13:21:
Bud laws like that are made for stupid people who may indanger others by shooting windows & lamp post out..if you could find some farm land or rocl quairy (SP?) that might be safer or more legal..God bless stupid people. they screw it up for us all..city limit law is almost the same across the board
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In Reply to: Re: Why do I have to remove the shelf from my match pistol grips? posted by M Boyle on August 04, 2000 at 00:11:22:
I have considered just ditching the match grips and trying to find or make some 'combat' style grips. I've never had this kind of problem with them. Thanks for the info. At least I feel better knowing that others are having the same problem. After all, after dropping about $1000 for what is supposed to be the premier spring piston match pistol, one is loathe to conclude that the grips are going to have to be deep-sixed.
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In Reply to: TF 90 or 96 Red Dot Sight for Super Max posted by Fun Supply on August 03, 2000 at 21:02:29:
So when I get this will I need just that? No accessories or anything to hold the sight on the gun? How much will everything be total? (S&H) I'll get one, but it won't be until September. Thank you.
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In Reply to: Re: Darwinian evolution is fact. posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 00:26:03:
Your right. What you are describing is known as the Punctuated Equilibrium model, an idea put forward by Niles Eldridge and Stephen J. Gould. They suggested that organisms may remain relatively the same for long periods of time (the equilibruim), which are puncuated by brief periods of rapid evolutionary change. This idea does contrast with Darwin's model of more gradual ghange over long periods of time. There is no reason that both processes could not operate. There is evidence that something like puncuated equilibrium does occur, but there is also abundant evidence that gradual changes in populations also occur. For those who wonder about the reality of evolution, I'd suggest that they reflect for a moment on the fact that we actually promote evolutionary change whenever we selectively breed plants or animals to perpetuate those traits we feel desirable. This is an engineered (via artifical selection) change in the genetics of these populations; and that's evolution. What Darwin suggested was simply that a similar kind of selective process (without the conscious engineering) might occur in nature, due to circumstances that organisms face in their everyday lives, driving changes in the characteristics of the populations. At the time, Darwin was unaware of the underlying mechanisms of inheritance. He knew that there had to be some,as heridity is explicit in his model, but our understanding of those mechanisms had to await the work done by Gregor Mendel, presented in about 1866. I agree, that the concept of evolution is fascinating. I was able to travel to the Amazon (near Iquitos, Peru) last summer, and only needed a few moments in the rainforest to witness the marvels of the evolutionary process. Everywhere I looked there were amazing examples.
Mike
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In Reply to: Re: Adjusting trigger a super sport posted by RBest on August 03, 2000 at 23:51:58:
Russ, don't forget to tell him that this screw turn counting only applies to airguns! When you work on a lawn mower carburator or an old Holly just start turning screws randomly. This always works out the best for me!....Willey M
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Well,I went to the library today to check the local laws in my city limits.I wish I did not went!!I find it and it said "16-13-280"
"It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge or cause to be discharged any firearms of any Nature,any air rifles,slingshot or explosives at any place." So I suppose that means anywhere???And they think a slingshot is a firearm!!Well, guys do not move to North Myrtle Beach S.C.And the state do allow shooting of airguns but its left up to the cities if we are allow to shoot them or not.So where do I go to shoot??I can shoot my rifes now,because I live in the county they cannot do nothing,but in 20 days I will be in the city limits.I am only moving 1.3 miles from where I live now!!
Guys better check all laws in your city.The fines are out of this world!!The worse fine I found was $10,000 AND 2 years in jail.Thats what one man got for shooting one shot in his backyard!!(pellet gun).I suppose they are showing what would happen if we brake the law..
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Well,I went to the library today to check the local laws in my city limits.I wish I did not went!!I find it and it said "16-13-280"
"It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge or cause to be discharged any firearms of any Nature,any air rifles,slingshot or explosives at any place." So I suppose that means anywhere???And they think a slingshot is a firearm!!Well, guys do not move to North Myrtle Beach S.C.And the state do allow shooting of airguns but its left up to the cities if we are allow to shoot them or not.So where do I go to shoot??I can shoot my rifes now,because I live in the county they cannot do nothing,but in 20 days I will be in the city limits.I am only moving 1.3 miles from where I live now!!
Guys better check all laws in your city.The fines are out of this world!!The worse fine I found was $10,000 AND 2 years in jail.Thats what one man got for shooting one shot in his backyard!!(pellet gun).I suppose they are showing what would happen if we brake the law..
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In Reply to: Re: YOUR FIRST TIME... posted by karl on August 03, 2000 at 18:06:20:
The first airgun that got my juices flowing was a Sheridan Silver Streak. It would reach up into the tall Oak and Walnut trees and drop squirrels without a problem, that is if I did my part right.
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In Reply to: Re: " The War of Yankee Aggression " ? posted by Uncle Gary on August 03, 2000 at 17:53:24:
Unc,
I recall it the other way about. The Yankees had a fort set up to opress the South, the Rebs laid seige to it and the defenders surrendered without a single casuality. In fact the only injury to the 'invaders' was self inflicted.
My understanding of the basis of the war was a social and economic attack on the South by the North. Could be wrong, of course.....
Still, like the expression...
Doug Owen
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In Reply to: Headshot or not ??? posted by DJ_PAl on August 03, 2000 at 23:13:20:
Everything RBest says is true; SuperSoakers are genuinely upsetting to felines, especially if surprised. So what if you have to hunt the dumber ones twice sometimes? Beats hell out of jail! And lawsuits. And no more guns.
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In Reply to: Re: post office? Have you heard the phrase " going postal " ? posted by Darrell Scoggins on August 03, 2000 at 09:20:21:
Darrell,
'Going Postal' has absolutely nothing to do with customers bringing guns, conventional or air, into the Post Office, does it?
Doug Owen
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In Reply to: Re: Darwinian evolution is fact. posted by Mcunningham on August 03, 2000 at 23:46:02:
Mike: I've read some interesting stuff recently that seem to indicate that sometimes evolution isn't a slow, drawn out thing. There is a growing body of evidence that suggests that sudden mutations can occur, and if the mutation gives it's 'owner' an advantage, it can rapidly become a dominant trait in that areas gene pool. Fascinating stuff! RB
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In Reply to: Old Weihrauch WH80 posted by Marco on August 02, 2000 at 08:57:17:
10 years isn't real old. The R-1 appeared 20 years ago ('80-81). I don't know whether HW has a website yet, but they probably do have an e-mail address. Anybody know it? RB
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In Reply to: Norica Mod 61 (young black) .177cal posted by Znagge on August 03, 2000 at 05:54:56:
As always, it depends on the pellet used. My son has a 61-C, which I've never chronied, but it can't be over 500 fps with the "average" pellet(or so it seems). RB
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In Reply to: Re: Why do I have to remove the shelf from my match pistol grips? posted by John S. on August 03, 2000 at 23:30:14:
sorry i couldnt help john..im thinking of buying that pachmeyr rubber tape to tweak my 65 it unstable one hand for me as well ..ive stuffed paper in parts of my palm like the middle and where the fingers are "top of the palm" plus the gap at th wrist and think i know about where my probs are..ill tweak it when a get the rubber tape
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In Reply to: Headshot or not ??? posted by DJ_PAl on August 03, 2000 at 23:13:20:
DJ: shooting cats is politically unacceptable. Most communities have animal control officers you can call. SuperSoakers are a more viable option if you MUST pull some kind of trigger.
Numerous states can levy fines of up to $2000 and 6 months in jail for shooting domestic animals without good cause. (digging the garden, wailing at night and peeing on your truck tires are not acceptable reasons). In addition, if the cat belongs to a neighbor, a long fight may ensue with further legal consequences. And if that wasn't enough, some states allow the police to enter your home and seize ALL weapons if you are SUSPECTED of shooting animals in your neighborhood. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: I heard that you should never fire a springer when it's clamped....Is this true, and why?.........nt posted by Defiance on August 03, 2000 at 16:07:08:
If it turns out to be OK, and you try it, please post the results ... PLEEEEZ?!!
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In Reply to: Adjusting trigger a super sport posted by wayne parrish on August 03, 2000 at 23:20:41:
Wayne: turn it out a half turn at a time until the gun will no longer tach the sear, then turn it in two turns and try that. A NOTE OF CAUTION: At some point, you will get to an adjustment that lets the trigger latch, but the gun will fire when the barrel is brought back up ! This condition is dangerous and you should excercise great care when doing this. Do it in a safe area outside with no people around. If this occurs, turn the screw IN about 1 1/2 turns.
Addendum: ALWAYS count the number of turns you make on a trigger set screw, so that you know where to go back to if you don't know what you are doing. RB
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In Reply to: Evolution = fact; DARWINIAN evolution = theory [NT] posted by Jim R on August 02, 2000 at 20:54:26:
Darwinian evolution is NOT a theory any more. There is 140 years of research evidence (subject to the same rigorous standards as in any other science)to support it, available in any college or university library (Mark Ridley's text Evolution would be a good place to start for anyone interested). While the details of various evolutionary processes are still being investigated, there is no doubt by the professional scientists that make their livings studing such things that evolution does occur and pretty much in the way that Darwin outlined in 1859. The earth is not flat, living things evolve, and "were not in Kansas anymore".
Mike
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In Reply to: Scope choice decision ....... Come on guys , give me a hand ........ posted by Derrin on August 03, 2000 at 22:18:52:
I'm putting a Sightron 4x12x42 A/O on my gun. I have a 6x24 and it is great very clear and bright.
It will focus as close as about 8'.
I called them the other day to ask if it would be ok on a springer and they said no problem. Lifetime warrenty, nice folks too.
I like the Loupold compact 3x9x33 EFR too but it does not focus so close.
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In Reply to: Scope choice decision ....... Come on guys , give me a hand ........ posted by Derrin on August 03, 2000 at 22:18:52:
The Swift thing has me baffled. I have heard mixed reports on the Swift's optics. Some people swear by them and yet , a lot of people have said that their optics are only so - so.
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In Reply to: Re: Why do I have to remove the shelf from my match pistol grips? posted by M Boyle on August 03, 2000 at 22:59:35:
I tried pushing it down, but until it is pushed down til it leaves contact with my hand, there is no joy. Also tried pushing it up tighter and varying the angle. No luck there either. It's somewhat infuriating.
I carved a bit on the grips of the previous gun, but, other than the palm rest, the FWB grips seem to fit me pretty well.
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In Reply to: Re: err, ya can't calculate B.C. posted by Doug Owen on August 03, 2000 at 00:27:03:
took a while to get an answer..this wasnt an answer i would have liked to hear ..but i now understand sorta
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Hey, I would just like to know if anybody can give me some hints on adjusting my ss trigger. If I screw it all the way in about how many turns should I back it out. Im just trying to improve accuracy. thanks
Wayne Parrish
In Reply to: Re: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by Pavel Podvoiski on August 02, 2000 at 00:53:51:
well sorta..if the the had explosive and nuclear bomb great material yup it was a working model..after that the gov shut down many websites and clean its on house up..they found many Gov spouncered site had this same info..aint it neat what you can find on the net :|
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In Reply to: My NEW Pro Elite Hunter By AA-PICS posted by Tony Kujis on August 03, 2000 at 18:44:04:
Tony cant get into Defi. Is theAA about the same size as a Kodic 46" long and wheith? thanks sounds like my dearm gun thanks Willy.
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In Reply to: Re: Energy and varmint posted by RBest on August 03, 2000 at 20:15:59:
Even if it isn't a headshot?
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In Reply to: Russ...BSA Super Sport in .22 VS R in.20 posted by Gary on August 03, 2000 at 19:20:54:
I'd get the R9 and have RB install a Maccari Tarantula or Steelgate tune kit. Should exceed 800fps for near 17 ft lbs with 11.6 FTS pellets and still be smooth. I've also found that the higher power that my R9's are tuned to, the more they like the tight bores.
I actually see over 19 ft lbs with a highly tuned R9 with a 22 barrel. It has a Maccari Steelgate kit with his Accuglide seal. The spring is stacked very tight, but according to Maccari it should be no problem. For the last year it's been about the only gun I shoot.
Billy
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In Reply to: Re: Scope choice decision ....... Come on guys , give me a hand ........ posted by Gary on August 03, 2000 at 22:55:52:
oops i forgot the swift err i second that
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In Reply to: Scope Mounts for 3/4 " scope tube, are they available.... posted by Chavez on August 03, 2000 at 22:44:28:
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In Reply to: Scope choice decision ....... Come on guys , give me a hand ........ posted by Derrin on August 03, 2000 at 22:18:52:
one of the trophy should work great..you pick the power..ive got the x12 trophy and it works fine on my R1
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In Reply to: AirMonkey QB-77 10 Meter Conversion (url w/pics) posted by AirMonkey on August 03, 2000 at 16:04:30:
Monk, I believe if you try enter serious 10 meter competition, that a thumbhole stock does not fit the definition of an stock that is allowed under the International Rules. vonBrink
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In Reply to: Re: PS or For your info posted by Steve in CT on August 03, 2000 at 22:05:14:
Steve,
I have been into airguns before Maccari and Zasadny even got started. So I am somewhat opininated. I distinctly dislike the Career rifles which I have seen you like. I also don't like RWS guns and numerous others. I have a few that after years of buying that I consider to be worth owning. You see i have this notion that I can only shoot one gun at a time. Hence if I can only use one, what do I want? The Career is so very loud! Since where I live I can use rimfire and centerfire and since moderators are a no go, then the Career has NO APPEAL to me. It simply is a loud piece of junk. For that matter I'd spend 129 and get a Ruger 1022. It will do the same thing in my book. Now talk about non-PC posts, I guess this is one.
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In Reply to: Why do I have to remove the shelf from my match pistol grips? posted by John S. on August 03, 2000 at 22:33:30:
its called a palm rest ..it sound like your hand is to wide at the palm for that grip(they cant make grips for all hand sizes so they pick the fat mid for the large grips) you might try to make modifications to it..the palmrest like push it down all the way and tilt it up& down..it this doesnt work make a new one to suit you that fits..short of that surey guns in the UK in the resources section seems to do custom grips for the 65 ..btw i have the same gun..the one thing shooter do when they get a new gun is play with the grips sand, carve, putty..and so on
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In Reply to: Getting my first PCP posted by Ian on August 03, 2000 at 16:19:09:
Go Harrier PH6 or BSA S10 for about $725.oo depending if you want bottle gun or fast handling. The PH6 system is very reliable, and will take any .22 shape,size or weight of pellit on the market. You have a lot of choices and all PCPs are super shooters by nature, good luck.
Regards KB
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In Reply to: Re: Scope choice decision ....... Come on guys , give me a hand ........ posted by Uncle Gary on August 03, 2000 at 22:34:40:
I agree, I own one and love it. In fact the next rifle I get will get one on it for sure.
Gary
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without the wrap-around/single screw clamp design?
If so, where can I get a set?
Thanks for your time.
Chavez
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In Reply to: Heh-Heh-Heh! yup, I LOVE electronic stuff!.... [GRIN!] posted by Unc on August 03, 2000 at 22:07:59:
Hey, the digital multi-thingees are way COOL!
However, carrying one on an air gun hunt is either
hard core or just plain disturbing! :-)
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In Reply to: Scope choice decision ....... Come on guys , give me a hand ........ posted by Derrin on August 03, 2000 at 22:18:52:
I'd go with the Swift Model 676; good optics, compact design, and a lifetime warranty, all at a great price. Hard to beat that combination! Regards,
Unc
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I have owned a couple of match airpistols. Currently, I have a FWB 65. The odd thing is, that until I remove the adjustable 'shelf' from the bottom of the grip, I am virtually unable to shoot match pistols. I can't get two shots to hit anywhere close together. With the shelf off, the difference is immediately obvious. I don't think that this is a mental thing, since I sold my last match pistol around 4 years ago and only recently purchased the FWB. I didn't remember the problem I had with the old pistol until I spent a couple of evenings trying to determine why I couldn't get the FWB to group with any of the pellets I tested. Sure enough, removing the 'shelf' fixed the problem.
Does anyone know what is causing this and how I can remedy the problem without removing the part?
BTW, what is the proper name for the 'shelf'?
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In Reply to: Does anyone make metal receivers for these guns? posted by John S. on August 03, 2000 at 22:20:51:
Or maybe they discontinued them?Any way,can you email me that info about stopping the leak?
Incase it ever happens...
thanks-Josh P.
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In Reply to: Airmonkey... i need your help.... posted by Nick F. on August 03, 2000 at 22:08:19:
Nick,
If you're getting either an "illegal function call" or "virtual memory error" message, it most likely means you don't have enough memory in your computer to handle this webpage, or the webpage is trying to access your computer's memory in a way that it won't allow. I've run into this myself on some webpages, and there's no easy fix for it. HTH. Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Here's another Modification for the Crosman 13xx's... posted by Josh P. on August 03, 2000 at 22:04:15:
I have an effective but unpleasant solution for preventing the air leak between the receiver and the compression chamber. The real solution is a metal receiver that doesn't deform when you tighten the screw. I have been looking for one for around 10 years with no luck.
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I'm trying to decide which scope to put on my newly purchased R-1 Laser. I consider this gun to be of near custom quality , and I want to put a really neat scope on it. It obviously has to be airgun rated and I don't want a real heavy scope like the big B&L Elite 4000. Any suggestions on something in the 3 to 12 power range ??????
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In Reply to: YOUR FIRST TIME... posted by Pel-It on August 03, 2000 at 17:08:26:
when Beeman first imported the P1 it was got to have gun. in 86-87 i guess
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In Reply to: Throw away the BBs. posted by RickK on August 03, 2000 at 19:51:13:
It may be difficult, but you need to ditch the BBs. If you shoot them in a rifled barrel, you will eventually ruin it. This will cost you more than you saved by using the BBs. Sell them to a friend or toss them.
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In Reply to: Is there any kind of ammo that should NOT be used in a rifled barrel?.......nt posted by Steve T on August 03, 2000 at 16:16:31:
BBs steel ..maybe plastic ones as well ..darts i think arent a good idea
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In Reply to: Got a rat with my Crosman 1377 today... posted by Josh P. on August 03, 2000 at 20:48:13:
I have a FWB 65, a P1, an S&W CO2, and an ANICS BB pistol, but I find myself shooting my 1377 more than all the rest combined. Handy little things aren't they?
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yes, thats right, me, nick f****lds whom you know nothing of needs your expert help... its about your website.. every time i try to get on to see the 10m QB-88 a thing pops up for aol that says this program has performed an illegal operation and will now end... whats this mean and howcome it only does it on your site? could you possibly email me the 10m QB pic? i would really like to see it
thanks alot
Nick F.
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In Reply to: Re: From one old " fuddy-duddy " to another old " fuddy-duddy " !.... [GRIN!] posted by bcd on August 03, 2000 at 21:17:13:
Even after 30 years of working in this fields it's still fascinating! There's so much neat stuff out there you can learn new things every day for the rest of your life and still only scratch the surface! I've gotten so bad about it, I tote a Fluke dual-channel Scopemeter around in the truck all the time, never know, might want to measure something interesting, you know? [GRIN!] Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Re:(Finally!!!!!!) Positive News Reporting posted by Bob Kelly on August 03, 2000 at 18:33:12:
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In Reply to: PS or For your info posted by Hawley on August 03, 2000 at 21:20:43:
You are darn right you are not going to own my Career for Anything you mentioned hehehe couldn't resist sorry pal.
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In Reply to: Re:(Finally!!!!!!) Positive News Reporting posted by Bob Kelly on August 03, 2000 at 18:33:12:
or the anti's would stomp it into the ground..i think the IPSC shooters might like fieldtarget though they had some tpc & IPSC games on espn some days ago..if they got into in it..then youd see a fast moving of this sport
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This is for everybody here that has a Crosman 1377,1322 or and maybe even the 22xx's with the shoulder stock on it.
Ok,you know how the stock still wiggles even if you have both screws tight,well here's how to fix that problem:
Ok,take a drill and a small bit made for drilling metal and drill a hole in the back part of the synthetic shoulder stocks grip(where the palm of your hand goes),anywhere up high should work,now put the stock on the gun and drill a matching hole through the metal grip frame(make sure the piece of metal your drilling isnt too narrow or you could break it).Now find a matching screw and tighten it with a screw driver as tight as you can.
This should prevent the stock from being able to move forwards or backwards.And should help the gun be more consistant(especially if you are using a scope).
HTH-Josh P.
PS-Anybody using a scope on your 1377 or 1322?If so,which scope and hows the accuracy?
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In Reply to: Beeman Pellets posted by Cody Dotter on August 03, 2000 at 18:56:32:
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In Reply to: Re: Actually my 5th air rifle.. ;-) posted by RBest on August 03, 2000 at 19:47:35:
Russ;
I was shooting a can hanging by a line of twine at 50yrds, got tired of making the can dance every time so I decided to try to cut the twine, I think it took me two shots! That's when I became sold!!!!!
William
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In Reply to: Beeman Pellets posted by Cody Dotter on August 03, 2000 at 18:56:32:
13.? gr i think i know Cps 14.2\.3
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In Reply to: Turkey hunting problem posted by matt sudol on August 03, 2000 at 20:46:46:
in the main part of the page theres a hunting review of the tominator :hunting turkey..there might be an email in the story
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In Reply to: Re: PS or For your info posted by M Boyle on August 03, 2000 at 21:48:53:
some times they learn it in school ..even
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In Reply to: PS or For your info posted by Hawley on August 03, 2000 at 21:20:43:
stupid= mentally challanged at birth ;) some time learn in school..they teach dyslexia now..outcome based see N say but dont sound it out..method..
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In Reply to: Energy and varmint posted by DJ_PAL on August 03, 2000 at 19:30:14:
christ cats again geez... everything you said to maybe 30-35 yrds..but not cat..anti watch this site could you not put cat killin in a post..please id say find the ft lds at the target based on the speed of the pellet then if its 3-5 ft lbs im sure it will take those fine ..
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In Reply to: If you live on the planet earth,rats are near. posted by Harold on August 03, 2000 at 21:03:05:
Did anyone else flash the visual image of Josh strapping
tiny little antlers on rats for sport?
Around here in So. Cal., Ivy beds were pretty popular
until folks discoverd what sort of critters like to
live in 'em. Don't see many Ivy beds around anymore ...
Now it's Iceplant ... now it's field mice instead of rats.
Field mice + Southwest = Hanta virus; also ground squirrels
+ Soutwest = Bubonic plague ... (sigh)
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In Reply to: .311 slug sources posted by tcross on August 03, 2000 at 09:15:50:
".303 British" (caliber of the very common Lee-Enfield rifle) is also .311 .
In Reply to: Getting my first PCP posted by Ian on August 03, 2000 at 16:19:09:
I'm gonna order a CA 707 II .22 from Mac1 tomorrow, It'll be my first quality airgun! It's also about $600. It will get the most shots per charge of any other gun exept maybe a bottle gun. It's fully adjustable, Super accurate, quick lever action, can be very impowerful or the most powerful! It'd be fine for FT even in .22! I don't know why everyone says .17 is better for FT, You can propel either a .17 or .22 to plenty flat shooting velocity and the size diff is so small, plus the CA707 is so accurate! I know I'm gonna love it! I think it's a very unique looking gun, but kind of like a mutant or somthing, it has a reciever that looks like a pump shotgun, the air tubes look like an overunder and then it has a straight heel and a lever WILD! Most people say, it may look a bit weird but it makes up for it in PERFORMANCE! Nothing will be better for the this price! And if you think you won't be able to stand the look and feel then get a DaveG stock, you'll have the most high performance gun and it'll be pretty!
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In Reply to: Airguns for sale or trade, perhaps posted by Hawley on August 03, 2000 at 21:02:28:
By the way, I would not own a Career or any or the Chinese guns. My JW's are not for sale either. I have no moderated guns so sorry if that is a need for you. I mostly shoot rimfires and centerfires so all the fuss you all make about mods. seems stupid (is there a more PC term to use?) to me. CO2 is not a desire and most of my 10M collection went years ago. Many of my custom stocks cost $500 or so so we are not talking newbie/beginner rifles!
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In Reply to: Re: From one old " fuddy-duddy " to another old " fuddy-duddy " !.... [GRIN!] posted by Uncle Gary on August 03, 2000 at 20:48:55:
Thanks for the info on the XO's used in chronographs.
On the quality of XOs, my experience differs a bit,
BUT if the mfgrs are being honest about the 10 PPM,
it shouldn't matter. Unfortunately, I've learned not
to trust 'em!
Even with the more modern cuts, to make the military,
or even industrial, temp. ranges, compensation is needed
to get down to the couple PPM territory. It's just not
always done with tempco parts in an analog circuit anymore.
Oh, and all this assumes the crystal mfgr bothered to age
the rocks ... for which you pay more.
Seiko does the pretty much the best Quartz forks for
wristwatches (for the innocent bystanders, the Quartz
watch resonators are Quartz forks, not the same beast
as used in most "digital" equipment). Here too, my
experience differs, but it all depends on where you
put that watch when it's off your body, AND for how long :-)
I've heard the Oehler is good, and so probably will go that
way when the time comes. I had a Chrony Buddy (SP?) on loan,
and it was disappointing but certainly adequate once you
know its quirks (I could care less about a few fps
variation).
I included the path angle part to make folks think about
how they use the tool. It isn't hard with the low cost
chronographs to have a 10, 20 or even more, degree path
error!!!
Ain't this fun?! Sounds like it's busman's holiday for
Unc!!!!!
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In Reply to: AirMonkey QB-77 10 Meter Conversion (url w/pics) posted by AirMonkey on August 03, 2000 at 16:04:30:
Looking good. I like it. It is certainly different.
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In Reply to: Re: Scope Mounts for Springers posted by Uncle Gary on August 03, 2000 at 21:01:23:
I'll look at the mounts you have recommended. Barrel droop is definitely a problem and I'll keep that in mind.
Thanks,
Harold
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In Reply to: Got a rat with my Crosman 1377 today... posted by Josh P. on August 03, 2000 at 20:48:13:
Congrats on ridding your environment of the rodentia. I use my RWS34 to go miniature deer hunting quite frequently. I sit on my back porch and wait until the little bucks come out of the trees to raid the bird feeders.When I first noticed that there were rats in the trees of my neighborhood I was completely aghast.I live in a good neighborhood and the thought of rats around the house really made me crazy.I immediately upgraded to my model 34 with scope and have been trying to rid our planet of rats ever since. Well over 100 confirmed kills so far and I aint even trying. My wife thought I gone off when she caught me crawling across the backyard in a ghuille(sp) suit. Not really, I just wear the face paint. Anyway, good hunting and fight the good fight.
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In Reply to: Red Dot Sight for Super Max posted by SM on August 03, 2000 at 20:53:44:
Both will work, no it does not have a Weaver rail on the gun, you need a sight that has a 11 mm mount. I have the 96 for $40, the 90 for $50 url below
I have more airguns than common sense. Since my wife broke her back at the end of April I just haven't used any. I have about any custom gun you might want and most are tuned and stocked by JM. I have no idea what I might actually like to part with. Hence if anyone has a burning desire for soemthing let me know. I have several JM Crows, lots of TX's and R 9's, several Rapids, a chrome Super 10 and various random pieces. I won't part with my Stalkers and nothing is a need to unload. Hence no fire sale but if you let me walk away without a great hit to the pocket, maybe we can find common ground.
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In Reply to: Scope Mounts for Springers posted by Harold on August 03, 2000 at 20:29:29:
I'd recommend B-Square or Beeman mounts; in my opinion the RWS mounts now being made in Korea are a POS! Also, try to get mounts with built-in elevation adjustment, RWS break-barrel guns suffer from barrel "droop", and you will need adjustable mounts to compensate for it. Trust me on this, I'm an old RWS man myself! Cheers!
Unc
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Hello I am getting a red dot sight for my Super Max (rifle hasn't arrived yet) and am wondering what mounts to use (dovetail, weaver)?? And if it's the dovetail like i think it is would the BSA RD30/22 be a good sight for it? And would the iron sights on the gun get in the way? Thank you.
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In Reply to: Benjamin 392 on Steroids fits the bill! posted by Lloyd S. on August 03, 2000 at 19:43:06:
You have me sold. This seems like a compact and light airgun for small game. Best wishes and lots of luck in the field.
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In Reply to: Exercising the right of the elderly to be "picky "... posted by bcd on August 03, 2000 at 19:51:22:
Well, since I'm another old "fuddy-duddy" (GRIN!),
and in this case the person who made the statement about chronographs being calibrated, let me explain it, and perhaps answer some of the questions you raised. What I actually said was, "most modern chronographs are totally digital, and as such need no calibration". I'm an Industrial Instrumentation Technician, with over 30 years experience in this field. I was referring to older chronographs with analog adjustments (trim pots), versus modern ones which use digital ICs, and hence need no adjustment, because they are simply clocking circuits and digital counters and dividers. As far as the definition of "calibration", in my field it refers, as you said, to comparing the chronograph readings to a known standard, but also to performing whatever adjustments are needed to bring the chronograph readings into agreement with the standard. This is the way you calibrate any electronic measuring device. In the case of the digital chronograph, if the problem is in the electronic circuitry, it can only be corrected by replacing the defective component, because, as I noted, there are no "adjustments" as such. I also noted in the original post that the most common cause of incorrect chronograph readings is simply incorrect screen spacing, and this is true! Good quality chronographs, such as my Oehler 35P, have detents for the screen mounting bolts, which are at precisely measured points along the screen axis, to insure correct screen spacing, and thus accurate velocity measurements. Now let me discuss each of the 5 possible sources of chrono error:
(1) the system clock. You said you'd wager that they are no better than a PC clock; sorry, you'd lose that bet! Even the most inexpensive (the Shooting Chrony) has a system clock that's accurate to 10 ppm. My Oehler 35P has a 4MHZ system clock oscillator that is accurate to 3 ppm. Per the need to be temperature compensated, this was true in the past, but is not today. I hate to have to tell you, but your wristwatch will still keep good time whether you wear it or not, modern IC quartz oscillators are very stable within a relatively wide temperature span. (2) the distance between the sensors; yes, this is critical, and I've already discussed it above. (3) The angle of projectile path through the "gates" ("light screens"). It's quite easy with most modern "sky screens" to maintain a straight flight path. (4) velocity loss through the gates. Yes, what about it? The passage of time between the gates is what is measured to determine the velocity. My Oehler 35P has 3 screens and two separate measuring channels; both results are compared together and must agree within a very small percentage to validate the reading. In the case of airgun velocities it is actually less than 1 FPS. (5) the quirks of light/shadow in the case of devices (guess you mean "sky screens"?) that use shadow-cast to sense presence through the gates. Yes, this can be a problem at times with any chronograph that uses photoelectric screens ("sky screens"), especially with .177 pellets, which cast a small shadow. In the case of my Oehler, these errors are detected by a disparity in readings between the 2 channels and indicated on the LCD readout. This problem can be overcome by using indirect overhead lighting, such as a small flourescent droplight. The plastic opaque diffusers over the tops of the screens also help to mitigate this problem. But even with these difficulties, modern chronographs function extremely well, given the precise measurements they must perform. Want to know the biggest cause of chrono failure? Shooting the screens! It can happen to anybody, even the most careful person!
Here's a tip: when you buy your chrono, also get the price on a new screen, they vary from different manufacturers, and are difficult to repair. A complete screen assembly for my Oehler only costs $22, that's another reason I bought it!
Regards,
Unc
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This morning before going to work I was walking up the steps on the back porch and out of the corner of my eye I caught movement in the carport,the water in my dogs water bucket was splashing all around,so I look down from the deck and see a medium sized rat in there with his lil paws goin wide open just to stay above water,so I run in and grab the 1377 and 2 daisy pointed pellet(I didnt have to use a follow up shot though)loaded the pellet,and pumped the gun 3 times then ran back out and held it point blank to the rats head,right as I pulled the trigger the water like swept him and the pellet hit him in the middle of the back,he was dead insantly and sunk,so I threw him in the field behing my house and cleaned the dogs bucket out.
I think the rat came from under the new edition we're adding on the the house as it's not sealed up yet and there has never been any mice or rats in the rest of the house.
Josh P.
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Now that I know how to hunt them with an airgun I must find a state that allows me to. Pennsylvania allows rifles but not air or gas powered rifles. Does anyone know of any state in the Union that allows this?
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In Reply to: Getting my first PCP posted by Ian on August 03, 2000 at 16:19:09:
Ian I did not see the Daystate Harrier on your list This gun I can tell you it should fulfill the demands you listed gun is about $600 fill kit around $100 (sometimes fill kit comes with gun no extra charge) pump around $200 and if later you decide to shoot 177 you can buy a barrel for about $150.
Air guns of Arizona also had a AAs310 for around $600 (may have been cheaper) I have no experience with this one but I have heard good things about it.
Then you have the gun (you know which one) that will probably out shoot both and faster (#of shots repeater) hit harder and is a heck of alot of fun but you did not want to talk about it, did you. I wont mention any names
Hope this helps
MarkD
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In Reply to: I luv my R9 but it's too heavy and I want something lighter. Suggestions? posted by JackG on August 03, 2000 at 16:09:23:
Just like everyone else has said, the SS is lighter than the R9. I had a RWS 34 (8.0 scoped)and had to get rid of it because of the weight. My SS is scoped and I'd have to say it around 7.0 lbs now. Its very tolerable to haul around the woods. I'd take Russ's advice though, and see if its just not you holding the gun correctly. That being said, the only other option I could see besides the SS would be the B18. Its supposed to be a half pound lighter than the SS. Just an option but I don't think it will measure up to the quality of the R9, nor the SS for that matter. Hope this helps,
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: More 1322 questoins..... posted by GMackeddie on August 03, 2000 at 05:26:55:
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In Reply to: Re: Energy and varmint posted by RBest on August 03, 2000 at 20:15:59:
Around here, the coyotes take care of the cats ... so I leave the coyotes alone other than to shoo them away. Anyone remember the Smothers Bros' line "Shoo!! Ferocious pumas!" ??
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I am trying to remount the scope on my RWS34(.177) and I need some advise on what mounts to use.The problem started when I noticed that myscope and mounts had mysteriously migrated to the rear of the scope rail.I noticed that the rear scope mount was hard up against the stop screw at the rear of the scope rail to the point that the stop screw was being pulled out of its threads.I made a trip to the gun shop where I bought the rifle(and paid too much,I know)and gots some advise on how to stop the problem. Anyway,I was remounting the scope and one of the aluminum tipoff clamps popped in two and now I'm in the mood for some better mounts.The original mounts are stock RWS. If I should go back with these please advise where to get them. Any help would be appreciated. I'm a novice airgunner and I know you guys would have the answers.
Thanks and Regards,
H. Childers(Houston,TX)
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In Reply to: Mhz... posted by daver on August 03, 2000 at 20:08:13:
Good info fellers. I really am not volunteering to
fiddle with the subject, though.
By the way, while I was bashing out the note, I debated
just saying "path related factors" rather than things
like angle and velocity loss. However, discretion
got the better of me :-)
I just got back from one of those "we do this every couple
of years" part of a general physical exam, and hence
all this free time to be picky in print.
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In Reply to: What CO2 gun? posted by ryan on August 03, 2000 at 18:47:49:
1077 is good for teaching kids and similar duty, but if you are a bit beyond this, there is a LOT of better stuff out there. I have some velocity figures and some tune info for the 1077 in interested send me email
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In Reply to: Energy and varmint posted by DJ_PAL on August 03, 2000 at 19:30:14:
Forget the cats. The rest are do-able with no problem. RB
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In Reply to: Re:trees emit a humungus amount of CO2 at night. ?? posted by Matt Donovan on August 03, 2000 at 20:02:06:
No wonder I like airguns and chili ! LOL RB
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In Reply to: Re: Exercising the right of the elderly to be " picky " ... posted by RBest on August 03, 2000 at 20:04:48:
Russ: Oehler has theirs posted at 4Mhz on their site. I think that this works out to .003 inches/cycle with a 1000fps pellet.
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In Reply to: Exercising the right of the elderly to be " picky " ... posted by bcd on August 03, 2000 at 19:51:22:
BCD: just to let you know- quartz crystals are used in many chrony's. Just like a watch. I believe I read somewhere that the oscillation was set at 40K hz. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Exercising the right of the elderly to be " picky " ... posted by bcd on August 03, 2000 at 19:51:22:
Talk about timing... I just finished writing a note to a Hector on this same issue, as well as how SD is used in the shooting fraternity.
Does anyone out there know the SDs of the common chronographs? I suspect that several FPS of variation can be attributed to the instrument and how it is used.
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In Reply to: Re:trees emit a humungus amount of CO2 at night. ?? posted by M Boyle on August 03, 2000 at 00:43:18:
Mike,
I've been sifting through my few remaining healthy brain cells and seem to remember that 40 years ago we learned the following in high school biology:
1) When the sun is shining, trees use photosyntisis to make sugar out of CO2, water and dirt giving off a little oxygen in the process.
2) After dark, they eat the sugar mixed with oxygen giving off CO2 in the process.
I wonder if political correctness keeps them from teaching about the dark side of trees.
If anyone actually knows the facts, please explain.
Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: Russ...BSA Super Sport in .22 VS R in.20 posted by RBest on August 03, 2000 at 19:50:11:
Yep, ya saw righ through that one hugh Russ? ;-}
Thanks again
Gary
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In Reply to: BSA Super Star Review posted by Lee Chastant on August 03, 2000 at 10:51:34:
Lee: I;ve always liked the Superstar myself, and the .22 is just as accurate (that's what mine is).
Some time ago, I was on the phone with Davis Schwesinger at ARS, and we were talking about BSA's. He echoed my sentiments that the Superstar has been a sleeper for a long time. Why would that be? Well- the normal price for the gun puts it squarely in TX-200 territory, which is a very hard act to follow ! Bring that price down, and you have yourself a real bargain ! I can tell you that internally, the gun is just as solidly built as the outside would indicate. And- for theoben gas ram fans- the gun is easliy converted. Try that with a TX or and R-9 ! I'm glad you enjoy the gun, and welcome to the BSA Club ! Russ
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In Reply to: YOUR FIRST TIME... posted by Pel-It on August 03, 2000 at 17:08:26:
Me well it started for me when I was about 8-9 yrs old with a B/S
my parents bought a RV trailer park and there was a problem with chipmunks well at a nickle a chippy I did ok.......well its been 30 some years later and several other guns but I still have that 1970's pumper
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I noticed a post a few days ago (chronograph discussion as
I recall) that said something to the effect of:
"... it's digital, so it doesn't have to be calibrated ..."
I know this is picky, but since no one else said
anything, I figured I would.
The word "calibrate" is frequently used when what
was really intended is "adjust".
"Calibration" means comparing with a standard.
The standard used to actually do the comparison should
be "traceable" to a known standard, e.g. the NIST
(formerly the NBS). This can be a non-trivial exercise.
This means that "calibration" can mean simply writing
down (and preserving) the results of the comparison
to a standard. For example, if you have a length gauge
made of a solid piece of metal, you could find a
recognized standard measurement device, use it to
measure the length of your gauge, write down the
length and a reference to the standard and its traceability,
to official standards, and, voila', your gauge is
"calibrated"! This of course means that there are
limitations on what/how you measure.
You could also "adjust" your gauge to a specific length
by either stretching or grinding it to a desired
length. In that case, assuming you verified the
final length after "adjustment", it would also be
calibrated.
In the case of the chrono, I suspect that most of the
inexpensive (and maybe even the expensive) products
do not provide a means of "adjustment". That's probably
what the poster meant to say.
As a quick aside on the subject of chrono calibration,
there are at least 5 sources of error: (1) the clock that
runs the counter, (2) the distance between sensors, (3) the
angle of the path of the projectile through the
"gates", (4) the velocity loss between the gates,
and (5) the quirks of light/shadow in the case of the
devices that use shadow-cast to sense passage
through the gates. The velocity loss issue could
create a lot of debate, but really just needs a
convention to be established.
The rest is a "statistical tolerancing" exercise,
which is easy to do, but actually quite boring
when you've had to do a lot of it. ;-)
To whet your appetite, I'll wager that the clocks
used in the "inexpensive" products could be as bad
as what you find in a PC. These things are not even
temperature compensated, and could be as bad as
several hundred parts per million (PPM) in error. It
wouldn't add a lot to the cost to have a temperature
compensated crystal (TCXO) good to a few PPM.
50 PPM (0.005%) is sort of the entry point into reasonably
good TCXOs, and is actually pretty wretched.
Oh, the reason wristwatches are easy to make perform
on the order of 1 or 2 PPM is that they usually
ride on one of mother nature's most excellent temperature
controlled environments: YOUR BODY!
No, I do not recommend wearing your chronograph on your
body ... nor on the body of some gullible volunteer, like
your little brother. There, see what an old fuddy
duddy I am?!
HTH ... if you even care!
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In Reply to: What CO2 gun? posted by ryan on August 03, 2000 at 18:47:49:
It's not worth buying a gun just to use your left over lowwer grade of ammo. You will want to shoot the pellets anyway, so eat the cost of the BBS and move on.
RickK
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In Reply to: Re: Russ...BSA Super Sport in .22 VS R in.20 posted by Gary on August 03, 2000 at 19:44:17:
Gary: to further add to the confusion; both guns, when tuned- are sweet. It's up to you. Of course, if you're looking for an excuse to buy another airgun- be my guest! heh heh Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Actually my 5th air rifle.. ;-) posted by William on August 03, 2000 at 15:00:31:
William: you're right. From a bench, my .22 Superstar will stack the pellets on top of each other at 25 yards, and you can't get much better than that? Even my .22 HW-77 can only tie it, but it can't beat it. Plus- the Superstar is more potent than the -77 (both guns are older versions). Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Russ...BSA Super Sport in .22 VS R in.20 posted by RBest on August 03, 2000 at 19:34:55:
Hi Russ,
I have the R9 in .20 and find your right about the twang for sure. I shoots great and very accuratly. Of course ALL my guns shoot better than I do. I have also found the Premiers are tight and don't work well in it but the FTS's do a fine job. I was wondering if the SS in .22 would do anything more than the R9 is doin for me now or would I be in better shape buy askin you to tune the R9 instead. Would it make sense to have both an R9 and a SS or is it kinda redundant?
Thanks agian
Gary
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In Reply to: Re: probably NOT ... posted by Cody Dotter on August 03, 2000 at 17:42:28:
ask Russ.
no experience in this area.
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I am a happy man tonight. I received my Benjamin 392 back from Mac-1 yesterday. A scope on the integramount and lots of pellets later, and all is right with the world!
Even though Tim says that you don't really need the extended billet arm, it DOES make a difference when looking for the 14th pump on a consistent basis! (And with a scope, it is a necessity) Also, they took the arm off the bolt and put a knurled knob on it to allow scopes with bigger bells to be mounted closer to the rifle. BIG plus! It's blown through everything that I have shot at -- even at fifty and sixty yards!
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In Reply to: You have no idea how helpful that is. Waiting for my IZH-61 to arrive right now!............nt posted by Steve T on August 03, 2000 at 19:33:16:
Guns and Things in Calgary. The price is $179.99 Canadian dollars.
I bought my first 61 from Golden Toller and my second from Cabela's. I save a bit of money when I purchase from the south because I go to the border and pick the gun up myself.
Great little guns. You will like it.
FWIW,
Todd
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In Reply to: YOUR FIRST TIME... posted by Pel-It on August 03, 2000 at 17:08:26:
I got hooked about 3 months ago with my cousin's Laserhawk Competition Trainer. Ok, so it's only 450 fps, and it's break-action. But until then I had been shooting 3 different ancient, rusty, slow, hard-to-pump guns.
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In Reply to: Energy and varmint posted by DJ_PAL on August 03, 2000 at 19:30:14:
Go to http://www.airguns.net/fuoaa.html
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In Reply to: Russ...BSA Super Sport in .22 VS R in.20 posted by Gary on August 03, 2000 at 19:20:54:
Gary: the SS and R-9 run VERY close in power. One problem with the .20 R-9's is that some are either not producing full power or the bore is too tight for pellets such as Premiers. I have one in for a tune- just got it today(new gun). It chronies 14.3 .20 cal Premiers and B/S 14.3 Diabolos at 628 fps and 11.6 gr FTS's at 710. The BSA Supersport shoots the 14.3 .22 Premiers (larger frontal area) at 675 fps and 11.9 gr Hobbies at 730fps.
The SS out of the box is a smoother firing springer than the R-9 fresh from the box. The R-9 is a twanger in stock form (but still a great shooter). The R-9 is stiffer to cock, and there are some issues right now with HW piston seals (some are poorly molded). Jim Maccari and I have talked to each other about this development. We don't know whether it's temporary or maybe HW changed their process or seal material.
Except for the seal situation with the R-9's, both guns are very solidly built and should last many years. Hope this helps- Russ
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In Reply to: Customs charges posted by TCooper on August 03, 2000 at 19:18:55:
nt
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Hello !
What can you get rid of with 10-12 lbs-ft on energy ? Squirrels ? Small birds ? Crows ? Cats ? Do you have any chart for those things ?
Thanks a lot !
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In Reply to: Re: I heard that you should never fire a springer when it's clamped....Is this true, and why?.........nt posted by Tom B on August 03, 2000 at 17:19:14:
nt
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In Reply to: H U G E P E L L E T posted by Cody Dotter on August 03, 2000 at 15:43:04:
Cody: the Supersport likes lighter pellets in ,22 caliber. Stuff in the 11 to 14.3 grain range. Mine likes RWS Hobby's (11.9 gr)and Beeman Silver Bear hollowpoints. The Hobbys shoot at 730 fps and are quite accurate. They produce 14 ft/lbs. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Daisy Avanti 888 posted by Tom Gaylord on August 03, 2000 at 10:51:01:
I think the price was about $248.00
HTH,
Todd
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In Reply to: My NEW Pro Elite Hunter By AA-PICS posted by Tony Kujis on August 03, 2000 at 18:44:04:
Does P.E.Hunter have a super-spring? How many LBS. at muzzle?
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Russ
How does the Super Sport hold up compaired to the R9 for accuracy and hunting power? If I got one I think I would go with the .22 for hunting. What do you think? Quality fit finish and service life. Would the SS need a tune or do they shoot pretty well without?
Thanks Russ for 185 they go me thinkin.
Gary
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In Reply to: Canadian customs / tariff charges? posted by Steve T on August 03, 2000 at 12:19:08:
When the airgun is American made there are no duty charges.
If the gun is made overseas there will be a 3.5% duty on the Canadian value.
I bought an IZH-61 and paid 3.5%. The 61 is made in Russia.
HTH,
Todd
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In Reply to: I luv my R9 but it's too heavy and I want something lighter. Suggestions? posted by JackG on August 03, 2000 at 16:09:23:
Jack: the BSA Supersport is about a pound lighter with no sacrifice in veloicty. But I don't think weight is your problem. You're probably not using a solid stance and just need some instruction on how to make your body a more solid platform for offhand shooting. There are some internet sights for 10M shooting, etc. where the guys are pro's at offhand shots. Regards, Russ
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Anybody going to the shoot and show that would be willing to share some air with me? I'm bringing one of the Fire 201 .45 calibre guns from Ron Sauls. I'm flying in late on Friday and leaving early on Sunday. The scuba shop isn't open on Sunday for me to return the tank or late on friday to pick it up so I'm SOL unless someone would be kind enough to share air with me. I'll still bring the pump along to fill if I can't find anything other source of air but I don't know if I can fire all my shots in the time limit allowed if I have to pump the gun up for the shots, that and it will do wonders for my stability and hart rate! ;^D
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In Reply to: Re: Fun Supply will be open Friday afternoon B18 is cheaper txt posted by Sammy on August 03, 2000 at 15:48:09:
YES I will turn it on when I get everything else working on this end.
In Reply to: AirMonkey QB-77 10 Meter Conversion (url w/pics) posted by AirMonkey on August 03, 2000 at 16:04:30:
UUGLYY! Try again!
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I finally got my computer back at home and took some pictures of the air canes I got from Sotheby's. I've got most of the computer running fairly well again but the modem is still not connecting at 56K. The best I get right now is about 32K and I can't figure out why. Anyway, I've been promising to take those pictures for some time now.
I know some people where interested in getting them sent. Problem is I lost all of my address book and folders for IE5.0 and don't know who they were. Anybody interested, e-mail me and I'll send out a couple of pictures. I got them developed and also one of those "Picture Disks" they offer with developing. I'll try to send them out and see how it goes. I also took some of the Butt-Resevoir and Ball-Resevoir guns. If sending them takes too long or doesn't work right I'll try to post some on Delphi or something as I don't have a web site.
In Reply to: M.Boyle - You are sorely.... posted by R.P. McMurphy on August 02, 2000 at 18:22:07:
Based on the tone and verbiage of your reply, you do make it look like you are! We never knew this was a contest... to us it looks like an airgun board, so references to one's "current intelligence" as well as the blatant assumption that Mike is trying to mislead people (to mislead = to provide faulty informnation on purpose) seem to be a bit off track.
peter
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In Reply to: Beeman Pellets posted by Cody Dotter on August 03, 2000 at 18:56:32:
Go to Straight Shooters. The have done a great work with all that stuff.
Gary
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How much do Beeman Kodiaks weigh? Will they work
in a BSA SuperSport .22 cal.? What will the FPS
be? What about the FPE? What about Crow Magnums?
How much do they weigh? Will the work in a BSA
SuperSport .22 cal.? What will the FPS and the
FPE be?
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In Reply to: Re: ?????!!!!!!$$%%£%%£??????HOW THE **** posted by GMackedide on August 03, 2000 at 10:53:34:
A .177 caliber hole is a .177 caliber hole, and higher velocity only increases shock value.
A .177 caliber hole in the exact right place will do the job.
Most shooters on this board, including me, would be uncapable of such a shot from a .177 CO2 pistol, though.
peter
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In Reply to: Trevor - 1 or 2 Schimel articles in NZ Airgun? posted by DT Fletcher on August 03, 2000 at 11:57:26:
a gentleman has made a steel trigger for the Schimel and has it coming to me for checking out. He may make more when they finally let him retire from work(they won't let him go!). I told him many folks would pay too much($25-$35) for a good steel trigger if he wanted to make some. He may make a run of 10 or 20 soon. Lots of $, but who you gonna call!? At least a steel one will be around a while. Even I(!)broke a trigger a while ago. Seems this pot metal(zink?)has a shelf life and begins to oxidize and weaken after many years. As for pistols, I have maybe 3 but they have been asked for by some folks in Europe whenever I get around to rebuilding them. Thanks, alan in ga.
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In Reply to: Re: How do I get to Carnegie Hall? posted by JS on August 03, 2000 at 10:34:24:
You're doing fine, though, Jack!
A few points that I would like to emphasize -- Jack makes these points; I just want to stress their importance:
Hold the gun as loosely as possible.
Jack says that he has a loose hold on the forestock, just lightly holding the sides of the stock. I'd like to say that even that is not necessary. Just rest the forestock of the gun on your hand.
The right hand should NOT hold the pistol grip in a restraining grip.
Key here is to let the gun recoil freely as you shoot it. The looser your hold, the easier it is to reproduce that loose hold shot after shot.
Also, make a point of it to hold the gun in a perfect upright position when aiming (do not cant it to left or right over the longitudinal axis). You'll be happy you learnt to do that once you'll start using a scope.
But the most important thing Jack brought up, and that I would like to stress most is:
practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice
ad infinitum
It does help, really.
cheers,
peter
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I am looking to buy a CO2 rifle that can shoot bbs and pellets. The only CO2 rifle that I could find is one made by crosman (1077?) and than one only shoots pellets. The reason I want to be able to use bbs is because I already have a few cases of bbs that I need to use up. Any gun suggestions?
Thanks
Ryan
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I uploaded a picture to Delphi.
Velocity with Wasps .22 is 910-920 fps.
Iron sights standard
In Reply to: Re: Is there any kind of ammo that should NOT be used in a rifled barrel?.......nt posted by Barry on August 03, 2000 at 17:04:59:
I'm with you Barry. I have yet to try the tin Prometheus Dynamics, so I'll reserve judgement on them. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Positive News Reporting posted by RonC on August 03, 2000 at 17:50:33:
Now if we could get the networks to pick this kind
of thing up we would see some (smooth-sailing ahead).
Thanks for some positive news. It would do everyone
good to hear things of this nature as "the norm.".
Thanks Again
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In Reply to: I luv my R9 but it's too heavy and I want something lighter. Suggestions? posted by JackG on August 03, 2000 at 16:09:23:
Hi,
BSA SuperSport 177 cal, good price, good quality. Regards.
Jose M
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In Reply to: What is the proper procedure for zeroing in a scope? nt posted by Jacob M on August 03, 2000 at 12:21:50:
Another thing to consider during the mounting process is that the
vertical crosshair is absolutely perpendicular to the barrel. This
is so that when you want to adjust your range by using the vertical
(i.e. up/down) adjustment turret, you don't introduce an unwanted
horizontal component. I do this by clamping the rifle on a solid rest
and using a level, make sure the rifle is absolutely level. Next, I
tie a weight to a piece of string and hang it at the shortest distance
that the scope can focus in front of the rifle. At this point, I
rotate the scope in the loosely clamped mounts until the vertical
crosshair is perfectly parallel to the string. Finally, at this point
I slowly (i.e. carefully) finish clamping the scope firmly in the mounts.
HTH
Charlie
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In Reply to: I luv my R9 but it's too heavy and I want something lighter. Suggestions? posted by JackG on August 03, 2000 at 16:09:23:
Jack:
All other things equal, a heavier gun will be generally more accurate as much of the recoil is absorbed in the gun mass. Rather, the sensitivity due to recoil and hold would be less for a heavy gun than a light one of the same power and build. Point is, if you go with another spring gun, you have to go for a much lower power gun to get the light weight you want and still be accurate what with the recoil and hold sensitivity, maybe RWS 24 or Beeman R-7, that sort of gun.
Or, you could go with a pump up or a CO2 gun. If your problem is just that you have difficulty holding steady for offhand shots, these would be much lighter and probably shorter as well.
You are not alone in having trouble holding steady for offhand shots.
The above is just my observation and opinion.
Sloop
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In Reply to: I luv my R9 but it's too heavy and I want something lighter. Suggestions? posted by JackG on August 03, 2000 at 16:09:23:
I had an R9 and I sold it! I didn't like its Weight either! I felt like I was carrying a boat out into the field, especially up here in the high altitude of the Rocky Mountains. I now have an R7 and it is noticably lighter, and much gentler in firing behavior, hence, easier to shoot well. Other than that, I got a Mac1 Qb77 and love it, it is extremely light, extremely accurate, and quite powerful,especially if you get a .22 version. I think a PCP would also be a possible good choice if you can afford the luxury. Personally, I think most springers are to "rough" with their firing behavior when they get up to the high-power levels, and their weight is ridiculous if you have to carry them affield for more than 15 minutes. Get a good CO2, or pneumatic, like a Sheridan, or a PCP if you can afford it, or............ask yourself if you really need all that power in a springer, and if not, get an R7, as it is light and fires like a pussycat with extreme accuracy! Good Luck!
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In Reply to: YOUR FIRST TIME... posted by Pel-It on August 03, 2000 at 17:08:26:
My Sheridan Blue Streak! I bought it with my first paycheck from my first job back in 1976. It cost $59 at Wards, and that was a "load" of dough for a "pumper" back then. Crosmans were only about $35 at most. The Sheridan was of an absolutely superior quality back then in every respect, and it dropped small critters with authority! Something that my Crosman 760 never seemed to do all that impressively.Since then, I now have an R7 and a QB77 and have an Old hold-down safety Sheridan on the way, but that first "dan" will always hold special memories for me. It was the "cadillac" of pump guns back in the 70's!
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In Reply to: Hmmm........a little testy aren't we? posted by JS on August 03, 2000 at 12:00:43:
Have trouble with verbaly induced bi-polarness.
I'm ok now except I just remembered you had to go and ask me what my point was! AHHHHH! Here I go again! (Where's that vein!) LOL!....Willey
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In Reply to: How do I ship a pellet pistol legally?....... posted by JimC on August 03, 2000 at 08:58:40:
Aside from the issue of fines / prison, the more practical question of insurance coverage for loss or damage: you are unlikely to be able to make a claim on prohibited goods.
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In Reply to: Civil War? posted by Doug Owen on August 03, 2000 at 00:37:53:
Well, actually, I guess you can't call it that, because the South fired the first shots at Fort Sumpter. I know, remember, I was there, Heh-Heh?
Cheers!
Unc
(P.S.: the reason it wasn't "The Civil War", is because there wasn't ANYTHING "civil" about it!)
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In Reply to: Who made the Schimel/American Luger? posted by Chavez on August 03, 2000 at 12:39:59:
The Schimel is long gone Chavez.The factory was located in north Hollywood,Calif.and as far as I know operated from the late 1940s into 1950.I guess the chap to contact about these lovely old guns now is, Alan(Schimelman!) in Georgia.Maybe he has a spare working gun........!
The American Luger was produced by American Weapons Corps associate A.G.Swanson Co. The American Luger had a striker valve as opposed to the Schimel blow off one.It used 8 and 12gm powerlets and it had a magazine that held .22ball ammo. Production was halted after a few months and when the maufacturer was reminded that Stoegers had the trademark rights to the word Luger! The guns new name,Carbojet,was nowhere near as fetching!Production was abruptly terminated-but not before a mysterious new model,the Martin,was advertised!!
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In Reply to: Positive News Reporting posted by RonC on August 03, 2000 at 17:48:53:
Go near the bottom and access Shooting sports attact a crowd.
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Just read a article done on our 4-H club, I thought that it was positive in the way it was reported. You should be able to read it by going to
In Reply to: probably NOT ... posted by $.02 on August 03, 2000 at 17:25:38:
What about the ARS Ultra-Mag Domes? Would they
work? If not what about the ARS Cobra Magnum Alloy
Pellets? If not finally will the ARS Viper Magnum
Lights work? The ones that will work tell me how
many FPS will they develop? And tell me me how
much FPE will they develop? They will be in the
BSA SuperSport in .22 cal.
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I've been casting bullets for my Barnes .459 Expedition Bison for some time now, and it's one of the nicer parts of the hobby. I cast a 40/1 lead/tin alloy which is very soft and perfect for the low pressures and velocities involved. The microgroove rifling Gary puts in his barrels takes this softer lead well, and there is no need for the bullet to obturate on firing - though with the velocities I am getting, I think it must be.
I use an RCBS single bullet mold, designed for .45 caliber black powder cartridge rifles. It throws a slug weighing about 410 grains with this alloy. I finger-lube with SPG - a remarkable soft lube that the BPCR shooters all seem to like.
Gary also makes bullet molds. He patterned tham after Harry Pope's designs, though the molds are nowhere near as complex as a Pope mold.
Lee makes a great 20-pound lead furnace. It's bottom pour and you can alloy and flux while you cast. It draws 800 watts, so you won't blow the circuit breakers. Just remember to keep at least 1/4 potfull at all times to keep from burning out the element.
There is no sizing required with my mold. You should always try for this. Sizing more than 0.001" distorts the axis of the bullet, rendering it inaccurate.
Bullet casting is safe, as long as you follow common sense rules. Wear glasses at all times; never allow water to drop in the pot and always cast in a well-ventilated place. Also, wear long sleeves and long pants when you cast.
Big bore airguns are a great link to the past. If you are interested in this part of the hobby, buy a copy of Lyman's "Cast Bullet Handbook," and start learning today.
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
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In Reply to: Trevor - 1 or 2 Schimel articles in NZ Airgun? posted by DT Fletcher on August 03, 2000 at 11:57:26:
There were only the two pieces Dean.George Lowe wrote the bit on the American Luger,don't think any of us had heard of the Martin!
By the way,Trevor Morris made the walnut grips for those Crosman pistols featured on the cover of vol.2 #1!
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In Reply to: H U G E P E L L E T posted by Cody Dotter on August 03, 2000 at 15:43:04:
[ http://www.air-rifles.com/pel.html]
" The ARS/Ultra-MAg is designed to be most accurate and efficient when fired from high-powered pneumatics "
"... though it will also perform quite well in other top magnum-class sporting models. "
i.e. Kodiak & Crow Magnums
Super SportTM Mk II Magnum Rifle
Specifications:
Power System: Spring Piston
Cocking Method: Break Barrel
Cocking Effort: 39 ft.-lbs.
Overall Length: 42 1/2"
Barrel Length: 18 1/2"
Weight: 6 lbs., 8oz.
Muzzle Velocity:
.177 - 1,020 fps
.22 - 800 fps
.25 - 675
In Reply to: I heard that you should never fire a springer when it's clamped....Is this true, and why?.........nt posted by Defiance on August 03, 2000 at 16:07:08:
what do you mean by "clamped" ??
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Many moons ago when I decided to give this "adult airgun" thing a try, biggest and baddest seemed the only plausable route. Upon recieving and tearing open the package containing the 25 caliber Kodiak, I looked for the first and not neccesarily safest thing to shoot, no scratch that, pull the trigger at and a chunk of 1 inch ply looked to be just about right. Of course the pellet buttered the ply and managed to touch every wall in the garage... I was hooked, No I mean REALLLLY hooked. What was the first "real" airgun that got your juices flowing???
Cheers
Pel-It
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In Reply to: I luv my R9 but it's too heavy and I want something lighter. Suggestions? posted by JackG on August 03, 2000 at 16:09:23:
I have an R9 and a BSA Supersport. Both shoot well, but the SS is much lighter. Check out the weight specs. at Straight shooters. Precision has a sale on SS, I think. HTH
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In Reply to: Is there any kind of ammo that should NOT be used in a rifled barrel?.......nt posted by Steve T on August 03, 2000 at 16:16:31:
Darts and bb's will trash it. If you want to use round ball ammo, use H&N Roundkugel instead of bb's [unless you're shooting a Haenel 310 or a Schmidt, I don't know why you'd want to use round ball ammo in a rifled airgun in the first place, though]. Basicly, my understanding is that so long as you stick with lead ammo or Prometheus plastic-skirted ammo you're OK.
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In Reply to: Re: Recommended (or not) woods for storage/carrying case posted by Dwight C on August 03, 2000 at 16:29:24:
Koplin is the company that sells them. Rhino is the brand name..Rug just means its a soft case.but you may know that part.
for soft zippered cases they are pretty tuff it has a thin sheet of rubber on the outside so you are less likely to bang the finish up..i didnt bookmark Koplins URL sorry..i saw it when i was looking for a case for my FWB 65 mk2..think ill good with the rugs sold by Marty ill do some searching to find it again and ill be back with there url\website ok
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In Reply to: Hmmmm hunt with a berreta????..... posted by GMackeddie on August 03, 2000 at 05:29:21:
Target practice
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In Reply to: Re: Canadian customs / tariff charges? posted by Ralph45 on August 03, 2000 at 15:04:27:
nt
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In Reply to: Is there any kind of ammo that should NOT be used in a rifled barrel?.......nt posted by Steve T on August 03, 2000 at 16:16:31:
Dont use copper BB's
Ira
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In Reply to: Re: Recommended (or not) woods for storage/carrying case posted by M Boyle on August 03, 2000 at 16:06:09:
Thanks for the info. I just like to keep my stuff is good condition not matter what the original cost. I paid Can$300.00 plus 14% socialist tax for it. For me that is still a bit of change.
I would be thinking of one of the local 'cheap' woods such as Douglas fir, pine, spruce or red cedar which is readily available but not 'fancy'.
What is a 'Rhino Koplin pistol rug'? I am not familiar with the term/item.
Up here is Canada its getting hard to even find knowledgable 'gun' type people. Urbanization/socialism/animal rights, etc. etc.
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In Reply to: Suggestions on what pellets shot best in a Career .22 posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 03, 2000 at 07:58:36:
I have shot .22 premiers and .22 kodiaks, both seem to shoot about the same out to 80yrds both feed well in mine and shoot great. I am afraid to shoot the big ones (the 29gr korean pellet) they might shoot even better, Good Grief I am spending enough on pellets trying to keep this beast feed!!!
MarkD
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In Reply to: Re: So where's Brad's page (and who is Brad)?Barry do i need to stick a smilley on all my posts? posted by M Boyle on August 02, 2000 at 20:41:08:
JM has a new one on his one off list which has the new no burn seal. I think itd $525. complete?
In Reply to: I luv my R9 but it's too heavy and I want something lighter. Suggestions? posted by JackG on August 03, 2000 at 16:09:23:
Your best bet would be to save your money and get a
PCP. The R9 is quite light for it's power. Wait for
the other post first and then put another posting
for suggestions on one and where to get a great deal
with great service. A really great price is totally
worthless without good service and support. Genrally
speaking airguns are far more complicated to break-
down for the simple reason the are the power supply.
There are several knowledgable PCP users here, use
their knowledge!!!!!!
Good Luck..
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I am considering getting a pre-charge in .22. So far I am looking at: Webley Axors, Webley FX2000s and Daystate Mirages. I plan to do all of the above: plink, pest control and maybe some FT. I know .22 is not the best for FT, but I like it and have bee reasonably successful with it before. Well guys, give me your comments. (I am trying to keep it below $900.) Do any of you have any of these models? Any other choices? I believe that the Mirage is a single shot. I like the idea of a multi-shot. I used to hear that multiple shots were rarely as accurate as single shots. Do you think that this is still true for the Webleys? Would a multi-shot not be very suitable for FT? (I know that Ray Apelles (sp?) uses his Career for FT.)
Any and all comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Ahead of Time!
Ian
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In Reply to: BSA Super Star Review posted by Lee Chastant on August 03, 2000 at 10:51:34:
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I have an R9 that is really nice to shoot. I can get very close groupings at a variety of distances - WHEN I AM SITTING DOWN AND RESTING MY ELBOWS ON MY KNEES.
My accuracy is terrible when I stand up with the gun because IT'S TOO HEAVY FOR ME TO HOLD STILL WHILE AIMING.
As much as I like the R9, I've decided to get another LIGHTER rifle to shoot. I want something in .177 since my R9 is in .20. Although I like the R9, I'm not wed to Beeman and would consider something by BSA or RWS or ...
Any suggestions?
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In Reply to: Recommended (or not) woods for storage/carrying case posted by Dwight Carlson on August 03, 2000 at 15:46:53:
Dwight, from reading i did in the past. some rose woods have resins, that are hard on tools. and from pieces of cocobolo ive drilled, its very waxy and clogs tools. Zebra wood, is also hard to work with.the grains not that tight and if done wrong can brake..why spend that money & time on a tempest? is it gold plated?
a Rhino Koplin pistol rug has a hard rubber shell and should work just as well and is only around $50 or so..
the wood case is a cool idea though..i can see doing one for a match pistol that cost over a grand, with custom grips ..but for a tempest i dont see that its worth the time..
btw cocobolo can give you a skin rash when the saw dust hits the skin..mexican king wood & cocobolo is my favorite woods..i get it from Gilmers hardwoods in OR
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Enjoy!
In Reply to: Hmmm...more of how do I get to Carnegie Hall..... posted by JS on August 03, 2000 at 11:29:11:
I enjoyed your post JS! I've shot alot of game and pests through the years with 4 calibers, a slew of different pellets, and a WIDE range of energy impacts and shot placements. What you said about your Raven and squirrels I find very credible! I see it as a truthful accounting of fact (based on my own observations in the field). I see no opinion here. Also, I have seen enough hunters in the field to know that some would not be consistently humane with a .22 rim-fire on squirrels (simply because they can't shoot worth a darn)! This too I see as fact. Their lousy shooting and poor discipline (in taking their shots) is fact, not opinion.
Now with your post (and I've seen others affirming the use of air pistols out to and including 25 yards on similar sized game), we have one more piece of evidence that air pistols IN THE RIGHT HANDS can be deadly on small game at modest ranges. Still, I'll bet donuts to dollars that we'll get posts in the future advising against air pistols out of hand for the hunting of small game. Many of these posts will simply say that the air pistol is not powerful enough. When I read posts such as those I KNOW the poster has never shot any (or much) game with an air pistol or low powered air rifle!
There is NO opinion worthy of credence on these matters. With a given hit, with a given gun/pellet, the gun either has enough punch to do the job or it doesn't. The shooter either has enough shooting skill (and discipline for taking the right shot) or he doesn't. Again, this is simply hard fact.
Those squirrels you took with the Raven don't seem to leave alot of room for opinion relative to it's effective killing power (with precisely placed hits) or your ability to place those shots.
JS, again I liked your post. I'm just speaking out on those posters out there who are less than clear (and less than accurate) in their assessments.
Take Care, Mr.P
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In Reply to: A Tip For BONEHEADS! posted by BR on August 03, 2000 at 01:05:17:
BR: I figure if nature wanted me to do something like that my finger tips would look like vice grip jaws.
Inquiring minds want to know: did you find the gas cap?
HTH (yea right) - Steve B.
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Somebody asked me if I had an extra copy of a certain issue of NZ Airgun. Didn't have the one he wanted but in going through I discovered that I indeed had an extra copy. Vol 2 No 3 is now up for auction on Ebay.
DT Fletcher
In Reply to: Fun Supply will be open Friday afternoon B18 is cheaper txt posted by Fun Supply on August 03, 2000 at 15:27:12:
Hey James glad to see you will be back up and running by Friday. I am assuming that on-line ordering by credit card will be back up again on late Friday as well.
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In Reply to: squirrels and crows posted by Steven Taylors on August 02, 2000 at 17:28:49:
Are there any "Ratbusters" in your area? If you are not sure what I am talking about, there should be a link to it under the resources or airgun links section of this very web site. They would probably love to give you some help free of charge.
IDB
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Recently bought a Webley Tempest. Rather disappointed that it just came in a flimsey carton with styrofoam protective (formed) packaging. I guess it is too much to expect to get a nice wooden carrying/storage case; not everyone would need/desire one.
I however would like to make my own carrying/storage case out of wood. Being rather a cautious person I am wondering if there are certain woods I should use or more importantly stay away from. Do certain wood species give off any harmfull gas/resins even after finishing with a urethane or conventional varnish finish?
I would line the case with one or two layers of felt to prevent shafing etc.
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Hi I have a question. Go to
http://www.air-rifles.com/pel.html Go to the
bottom of the page. Look at how much the pellet
weighs. Would that pellet work in a BSA
SuperSport? How much FPE would this pellet
produce in a .22 cal. BSA SuperSport? How much
FPS would the pellet produce?
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In Reply to: I am with Sammy on this one. posted by Steve in CT on August 03, 2000 at 15:04:25:
Thanks Steve. I guess then it is probably not regional as I suspected but more of an isolated problem.
Regards
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Sorry for all the delays, one problem after another cropped up.
Lower prices on the B18, $10 cheaper. I got a better price and am passing it along.
In Reply to: Re: What is the proper procedure for zeroing in a scope? nt posted by Ira on August 03, 2000 at 13:25:34:
The second way is true theoretically. It will be accurate IF you repeat the same procedure ie. clamp your gun solid as you shoot. This is hardly practical in the field say when you want to shoot a squirrel. If the gun is a springer I would factor in all the movements and try to REPEAT it . Anyway ok as long as you get the result you want.
This was my experience, I could be all wrong. Let some experts have opinions on that.
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In Reply to: Canadian customs / tariff charges? posted by Steve T on August 03, 2000 at 12:19:08:
IF the airgun is produced in a NAFTA country (Cda, USA, Mexico) there should be no duty as long as item is accompanied by a properly completed Certificate of Origin. Where you might end up with charges is when your shipping company sends the article through customs brokerage and incurs brokerage fees. These can be a significant percentage of the value of a less costly item. This is the theory of it as I have not done it myself. Let us know how it turns out.
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In Reply to: Re: How do I ship a pellet pistol legally?....... posted by Sammy on August 03, 2000 at 12:24:52:
My post office has no problems either shipping or delivering airguns and they know the contents too. Sammy I live in the Northeast too.
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In Reply to: Canadian customs / tariff charges? posted by Steve T on August 03, 2000 at 12:19:08:
Thats one of the reasons I left British Columbia 10 years ago, nice people but very stupid anti gun laws. I bet you theyll charge you 7% for their insame "goods and services tax" which they lop on top of all goods and sale tax-you know, tax a tax.
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
Glad to be back stateside!
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In Reply to: what´s all the fuss abaout? posted by a guy from Sweden on August 02, 2000 at 12:57:49:
jeeezzz, When you buy a knife in Sweden do you call a cop to carry it from store to kitchen?
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In Reply to: Actually my 5th air rifle.. ;-) posted by Lee Chastant on August 03, 2000 at 13:33:04:
Lee;
I shot some bench rest with mine, and the accuracy is amazing ! Try it sometime!!
William
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In Reply to: BSA Super Star Review posted by Lee Chastant on August 03, 2000 at 10:51:34:
Lee,
Nice review. I couldn't agree more. I was at a loss
as to which air gun to purchase and after settling on the
Super Star I could not be more pleased. I am, like you, impressed
with the fit and finish - and the firing of this gun is a
pleasure.
Keith
Seattle
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In Reply to: Gun Of The Future-Pro Elite Hunter posted by Tony Kujis on August 03, 2000 at 13:32:21:
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In Reply to: I've got an open tin of .177 and posted by Zeke G. on August 03, 2000 at 14:30:59:
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In Reply to: Beeman SLR 98 , any opinions ???? posted by Derrin on August 02, 2000 at 23:10:49:
Thought long and hard about this rifle. Theoben quality; multiple shot capacity. I'm told it shoots like a dream. Down side is that the underlever cocking effort required Theoben to lower the ft pds. @16pds., I think. Nice hunting rifle for 35 to 40 yds (but so is an R9). Workmanship is first rate, and so is the price. Bottom line is your paying lots of $$$ for that multiple shot capacity without higher fire power/range. Most guys I've talked to like theirs, but then again they have already spent their money.
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In Reply to: I called Beeman and they said they are the same. nt posted by Steve in CT on August 03, 2000 at 10:56:19:
they look nothing like the kodiaks I have. The Bisley is kinda like a mushroom, while the kodiak is more of a dome.
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has anybody had any experience with the b42 rifle? just curious. thanks.
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In Reply to: READ PUBLICATION 52....Don't rely on the guy behind the counter posted by JS on August 03, 2000 at 13:14:48:
Oh here we go again with the Don't trust what the federal employee says. There has been a lot of that lately. And there is probably some merit to what you say. But the postman pulled out the book and looked it up. What am I a suppose to say,"No you are wrong, I cannot ship this item."
You gave the gentleman your opinion on the law. I merely gave him my personal experience. I was not advising him on the law.
Now if you wish to discuss it further I will gladly do so via email. If you had an email address posted I would not have responded at all and would have emailed you. But I will not get into this on the board as it always seems when we get into a discussion of the interpretation of federal law it gets ugly. And I come to this board to relax and talk airguns not to get involved in this kind of discussion as it usually goes no where and nothing is every solved.
Regards
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In Reply to: I bet Canadian Customs knows... posted by Doc on August 03, 2000 at 14:09:43:
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In Reply to: Canadian customs / tariff charges? posted by Steve T on August 03, 2000 at 12:19:08:
a phone call might just get you an accurate answer.
Doc
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In Reply to: Gun Of The Future-Pro Elite Hunter posted by Tony Kujis on August 03, 2000 at 13:32:21:
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In Reply to: Gun control Sex Ed are completely different topics posted by BSchulz on August 03, 2000 at 10:52:15:
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In Reply to: Re: BSA Super Star Review - Ditto ! What you said ! posted by William on August 03, 2000 at 11:23:08:
William, I bought the Super Star in .177 so I would have an airgun that shot flatter & a little more accurately than my .22's - kind of a longer range brain pan buster. I am tickled to death so far. I also noticed that my BSA is more hold sensitive to cheek placement & pressure than hand placement pressure, unlike my RWS airguns. Glad you enjoyed the read! Have a good one!
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I just got back from the UK.
I brought back the new PE Hunter.
18 inch barrel with Iron sights.
Smooth and powerful.
I'll try to get a site and post pics or upload to Delphi. Its a dream gun!
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In Reply to: What is the proper procedure for zeroing in a scope? nt posted by Jacob M on August 03, 2000 at 12:21:50:
There are two main ways that you can zero in your scope. The first one is to shoot a three shot group (I like to shoot three shots but it doesnt realy matter as long as you get a group) Then adjust your croshairs up down right or left so that the gun is sighted in. I like to make one adjustment at a time. And then shoot another three shot group.
The other way is eiser with a friend, get as solid a rest as you can and aim the croshairs right at the middle of the target. Then take one shot from your rock steady rest. Say the shot went high and to the left. Tell your friend to slowly move the croshairs to the left. As he does this make sure that you never move your gun. You should see the croshairs move to the left. When the verticle croshair is verticle to the pellet hole tell your friend to stop. Then tell him to move the horizontal croshair up. When it is at the same highth as the pellet hole tell him to stop. Your croshairs should now be aiming at the pellet hole. now shot your gun back at the bulls eye and make any minor adjustmaents that need to be made. The August issue of either Field and Stream or outdoor life I cant remember explains that way to sight in your gun.
I hope that that is help full,
Ira
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In Reply to: Re: How do I ship a pellet pistol legally?....... posted by Sammy on August 03, 2000 at 12:24:52:
This thread comes up every couple of weeks.
Half the people have no problem, half the people can't get their USPS people to say yes. The bottom line seems to be that each post office has it's own concept of the law.....not a good thing.
Do not place yourself at the mercy of the guy behind the counter's knowledge. Read the USPS regulations for yourself, then decide.
Publication 52 (located on the USPS site in pdf format), will tell you what the law is. Read it.
The penalties are pretty stiff....so it's best to understand for yourself what the USPS regs are. That guy behind the counter won't be fined or face possible jail time, but you might. Be armed with knowldege...it's free and easy to find.
btw- I personally have received many USPS shipped
airguns (long and short). But there are regulations written down for us to read. Ignorance or "he told me I could" is not an excuse in court.
hth, Jack
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In Reply to: Trevor - 1 or 2 Schimel articles in NZ Airgun? posted by DT Fletcher on August 03, 2000 at 11:57:26:
Is the Schimel still available and from whom?
I saw a picture of one in the online airgun
museum. It's a very nice looking pistol.
Thank you,
Chavez
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In Reply to: depends on how you look at it.... posted by jj on August 03, 2000 at 12:09:53:
forgot the important part.
I think that you may be comparing apples and oranges here.
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In Reply to: How do I ship a pellet pistol legally?....... posted by JimC on August 03, 2000 at 08:58:40:
I don't know why a lot of folks continue to have problems shipping airguns. I have shipped 2 2240s in the last month by United States Postal Service Priority Mail. I am about to go to the Post Office right now to ship 2 air rifles. I always identify the contents and have no problems. When I shipped the 2240s I identified them as air pistols. The guy checked the book and said no problem.
I have to guess that the majority of folks who have these problems are living either in the Northeast or out West where there is already an anti gun attitude. In the South I don't believe that we have as many problems when shipping airguns because the average postal employee doesnt blink an eye when you tell him you are shipping a pellet gun. I am sure somone will correct me if I am wrong on that.
I can tell you this, when I was going to ship an air pistol overseas before we realized that the gun was illegal for the guy buying it to possess it in his country, I discovered that UPS and Fed Ex would not do it and the only people who would is the USPS. So I cannot explain your problems.
Well good luck with it.
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What is the customs charge for bringing an airgun across the border into Canada? I checked around on the net, and got an estimate at 3.5%, but a book I have told me 7%. Does anyone know?
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In Reply to: your flat opinion on sheridan vs the b22/sm1000 posted by overton on August 02, 2000 at 22:49:28:
Depends on what you want. If you want a light weight hunter, then by all means go with the Benjamin. It weighs in at ±5.5 lbs with a peep site. The Benjamin will do both the pest control and hunting. The only solution to carrying around the B22 would to have a sling put on it as the gun weighs 10 lbs. What the other guys have said about the Benjamins capabilities after a MAC-1 tune are true. I'd go with the Benji myself. I own and love a Sheridan Blue Streak, a very similar gun to the 392. Hope this helps,
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by RSO on August 02, 2000 at 09:49:40:
I was under the impressions of the following;
If a child is brought up in a middle class environment, with church going parents, then the answer to sex education is obvious.
However, sex education, as how I understood it, was not meant for the above. But rather for the poor inner city child whose parents don't follow the afore mentioned standards.
Where the mother may be a junkie and her boyfriend, a child abuser, alcholic and/or junkie or gang member and neighbors that fall into this same catagory. I would guess you get the idea.
Certainly not the type of people you would want to teach anyone about anything, much less sex education.
This, I thought was what sex education was supposed to address. The inner city children, not the Ozzie and Harriett family.
Of course, if you have a better idea, I am sure lots of folks in high places would like to hear about it.
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In Reply to: Re: RWS Model 75 (seal problems??) posted by Leigh Wilcox on August 03, 2000 at 07:35:27:
All,Leigh,
I'm glad Leigh corrected my post and that they now do repair the RWS-75. AGE is real easy to deal with.
When I checked a while ago (probably a year - time flies.) They indicated that the '75 was the only RWS gun that they didn't do factory service on. So that is what I reported - but times change.
Thanks for the update.
Do you also carry the parts?
(Seals,Butt Plates, spacers, lubes, etc.)
And Is there a repair manual on this gun? Parts Diagram? Any factory litterature? (Sorry, Doug Law I still don't "need" that poster yet.)
Jim P.
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In Reply to: If I hear " P to the C " one more time I'm gonna open a vein! posted by Willey M. on August 02, 2000 at 17:44:19:
I am not sure where the discussion is during this thread. But if folks are enjoying patting each other on the back because they agree that some people are badmen, have at it. Everyone needs a hobby :-) It's these vital discussions on airgunning(?) that I look forward to.
I ate the apples and the oranges, they were delicious, thanks......been there, done that but I don't need the T-Shirt, thanks anyway........sat on the box and thought deep thoughts......I already know my point, so what's yours?......don't look under the bed, there are monsters down there...oh yeah.....LOL.....!
Jack
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Went browsing through my collection of NZ Airgun and could only find the one article (vol 1 No 3) on the Schimel. Also, found the short American Luger article too. By chance, was there another Schimel article?
The Schimel article holds up well. The steel replacement trigger is brillant.
The New Zealand Airgun magazine is still one of my all-time-favorite airgun publications. It had just the right combination of vintage and modern airguns and each one is a small treasure trove of knowledge. The treatment that Trevor Adams gave to the vintage guns was at least part of what imspired me to get a little more serious about the old airguns and start collecting the paper that went with it.
Thanks
DT Fletcher
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KryTech Wax Lubricant by Finish Line is now in stock at Mac1. $8.95 per 11 Fluid oz.
Formulated With DuPont Krytox & Specialized Paraffin Waxes. It has M2 Moly. This is the Juice that my bud ld
tested and it works in Springers and PCP guns. When pellets are lubricated it makes the barrels a breeze to clean
and the leading disappears in all but the worst cases.
Later
Tim
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In Reply to: ?????!!!!!!$$%%£%%£??????HOW THE **** posted by GMackeddie on August 03, 2000 at 06:38:45:
Shot placement.
Although, from your text, you didn't say you shot at the squirrel.
I am assuming you are thinking that a CO2 repeater in .177 pistol doesn't have enough power to kill a squirrel at 15 yards. It does if the shot is right. It's not something I'd recommend though unless you are certain of placement.
I've hunted ground squirrels and lizards with a Daisy Raven pistol in .177 quite successfully. Kept shots close (under 20 yards) and only took them when I was sure of things.
But many people wouldn't recommend a 1322 for squirrels either. Considering it not sufficient in energy. Opinion varies.
Pistol hunting in general requires a lot of practice and getting closer. Well, unless you have a scoped ARS off a rest.
Jack
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In Reply to: BSA Super Star Review posted by Lee Chastant on August 03, 2000 at 10:51:34:
Lee;
My sentements exactly ! I have been telling people who ask about a first time gun, the merits of buying this gun, but not as eliquently as you !
I have owned one for about 3yrs now (got it from Airgun Express on a closeout sale) and I still cannot believe the great deal it is!
William
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In Reply to: which pistol? posted by CurtB on August 03, 2000 at 08:54:38:
There are not many semi-auto pellet pistols produced currently....Steyr makes a lovely 5-shot PCP semi-auto pistol for about $1199.00!
You can find the nice vintage Crosman 600 still between $200-$300 (10-shot .22 CO2).
There are lots of "revolvers" dressed up to look like semi-auto firearms though!
On the low cost end of things, your local Walmart and KMart carry the Crosman 1008. It's an 8-shot revolver in Smith&Wesson semi-auto clothing. Low cost and a decent plinker in .177 caliber. Got mine from Walmart for $45 with a nifty red dot sight included. Mine shoots well enough....would be fine for what you want to do probably. There is a more rugged metal version from Crosman also called the C40 for around $80-$90....also a Beretta clone called the CK92 from Crosman.
The price goes up from there for semi-auto look alikes. Uremax makes several nice ones....and there is a cool Colt 45 clone.
Gamo sells two that look like semi-autos, shoot BB's that way, but pellets only single shot.
Have a look at D&R Sports or Golden Toller sites.
Also, Crosman makes a nice revolver (Colt Python lookalike) that I think shoots better than the 1008. Has both 6 and 10 shot cylinders. Walmart sells the 6" barrel version for about $35.
Personally, I prefer the vintage Crosman .22 revolvers 38T and 38C (and 44 Peacemaker). But I have a Walmart Crosman 3576GT also and it shoots well.
hth... Jack
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In Reply to: Crosman 2240 $40 shipped - don't ask don't tell! posted by James L on August 03, 2000 at 10:31:28:
It is legal if you have a Federal Firearms Permit.
Any dealer can send, no problem. I'm talking here about PRIVATE sales, like those that occurr on Brad's site. Good Shooting!
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In Reply to: Re: Knives make no noise in the dark posted by MikeZ on August 03, 2000 at 10:06:42:
Mike, it is true that guns make killing more EFFICIENT, but not easier. The "easy" part comes from a breakdown in the killers value system and lack of fear of any consequences. It's whats in their head that makes them dangerous, not whats in their hand.
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In Reply to: Re: How do I ship a pellet pistol legally?....... posted by Zacch on August 03, 2000 at 10:37:15:
Ship it FEDEX...least hassle.
Rifles are okay I believe...but....
Go to the USPS site and read PUB52....a 353 page pdf file that outlines what you can and can not do with the USPS as far as guns go.
Postal regulations appear to state that air pistols and firearm pistols are not treated differently....it is illegal to mail them unless between licensed dealers with all the papers filled out.
I know...it's silly...but go to the USPS website and read the regulations yourselves.
There have been many threads about this subject...and the regs are online for all to read.
Good luck though...lots of verbage to wade trhrough.
That said, you can mail them if you don't mention what's in the box. But you will be taking the risk of it. There is a fairly hefty fine and risk of jail time.
Hoewever: I know at least one major online vendor shipping air pistols via USPS. I've received two from them this way. A few smaller dealers ship pistols USPS also....I've received them in Priority Mail boxes. All were unmarked as to what was in them.
So go figure....
Jack
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In Reply to: I called Beeman and they said they are the same. nt posted by Steve in CT on August 03, 2000 at 10:56:19:
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In Reply to: squirrels and crows posted by Steven Taylors on August 02, 2000 at 17:28:49:
BSA Super Sport is on sale now/
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In Reply to: Re: Who sells Bisley magnum .22 pellets? posted by GMackeddie on August 03, 2000 at 10:52:39:
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its me gun from shooters talk
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In Reply to: Re: ?????!!!!!!$$%%£%%£??????HOW THE **** posted by Jim Baumann on August 03, 2000 at 10:18:33:
im talking 177
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In Reply to: Re: Who sells Bisley magnum .22 pellets? posted by Zacch on August 03, 2000 at 10:30:33:
thought they were the same my mistake
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Mark Budai on August 02, 2000 at 10:38:21:
First off, let me agree with Mark, and also point out that Sex Ed. and Gun Control are two completely different topics, and the same logic cannot be used in both places. Sex Ed. is a moral issue, not a civil rights issue. Gun control, on the other hand, is a civil rights issue, not a moral issue. I would like to contribute a couple thoughts on both points:
SexEd.: I agree with Mark and wholly believe in the reality of God. It is God that teaches in the Bible that sex is designed by HIM for several reasons, and that sex outside of marriage is sin. This is God's view, not my view or the view of a few "self-ordained Preists". As much as we would like to think more highly of ourselves, we have nothing to do with authoring or creating this thought. I think that most religious folks (Christian, Jewish, Morman, Muslim, etc.) agree that sex education rightly belongs with the parents. IF we simple HAVE to educate children in school, as a results of parents sliding on their responsibilities, then I think most people would advocate that we teach older children (7th grade and up) that it is best to NOT engage in sexual activities until marriage. However, the liberal view (the few, and the messed up) is that making 4th grade girls put condems on the fingers of the boys is somehow making social progress. I suppose it is making BACKWARDS progress. They also want to teach that it is not only acceptable, but also GOOD, to embrace or experiment with homosexuality - WOW, how mixed up can you get?! This has nothing to do with social enlightenment or progress - they would know this if they have read any history at all. There have been plenty of societies going way back in history that have embraced this view. Where are they all today?
Now for the gun thing: I don't know of any moral law from the Bible that says that we have a right to own guns. But, our founding fathers rightly saw a need to protect this liberty and provided for it in the constitution. People have died for this right, and I don't think that is something we should take lightly. I don't think this point is up for debate. Again, if you know anything at all about ancient societies way before guns where even dreamed of, there have always been problems in dealing with violent crime and murders. What about the Naitive Americans before the evil white man drove them out. Anyone else ever remember reading about these different groups in your history books...they used to kill each other over food and territorial rights. Where were the guns? Unfortunately, pride, lust, bitterness, greed, selfishness, and shame are among the sins that mankind is subject to that makes us susceptable to violence and murder...and don't rule out good 'ol accidents and mishaps. Which one of you has not have violent, hateful, or lustful thoughts towards someone else? What does a gun have to do with those producing those thoughts? Would the presence of more gun laws or absense of guns have anything to do with preventing them? Not one of us is free of those thoughts, and thoughts turning to action is not as far apart as we might like to think. King David was described by God himself as a "man after God's own heart." But even David succumed to lust, and then later when trying to cover up his sin and shame, he fell to murder. No guns around then. Controlling guns, knives, axes, chain saws, matches & gasoline, bats, bow and arrow, or any number of "instruments of destruction" is not going to change the crime equation. It is not brought about by these instruments, but instead by the inborn sins we are all subject to falling to.
I have been a counseling inmates for a few years now, and have talked to rapists, murderers, and all mannor of criminals. If you get to know these folks, you might even describe many of them as basically "good" people (like King David) that fell to sin. They have the same problems the you and I both have...the battle begins in the mind. Maybe that is why the Appostle Paul gives us the insight "For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ." Notice that last little bit about bringing every thought into captivity? That is where the battle is, and guns have nothing to do with it. James also tells us how this turns into action: "But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death."
Just my thoughts...
-Brad
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.177 BSA Super Star Review
Lee Chastant
Precision Sales recently had a promotional sale on both the Super Sport & Super Star models of BSA air rifles. Being stricken by that near fatal disease, airgunitis, & the sure knowledge that I would be getting a REALLY GOOD DEAL, it took very little time to develop an overwhelming need for another airgun. After reading reviews that have been posted at the PSI web site & burying poor Russ under a deluge of silly-ass questions, I decided to go with the Super Star. Since all of my other airguns are .22 cal., & since I didn't see where BSA offers a .20 cal., & since I had recently gone over Mr. P's scintillating ode to the .177 pellet, I opted for the mini-speedster of fame & legend. I made the phone call, slagged down the old Visa, & settled in to await delivery.
Oh yes - the accessories that I just had to have! Well, start with the .177 pellet sampler & B-Square scope mount from Straight Shooters, then we might as well get a Marksman pellet trap (do away with the old box full of phone books out back) & a portable gun bench to make mounting the scope easier from Cabela's. Thank God I already had a spare scope around the house - the Bushnell Sport View that came off of my RWS 48 - so I didn't have to buy another one.
Ok, the Brown Santa pulls to a stop out front & jumps to the sidewalk clutching the long narrow box (which he almost drops) that just has to contain my new toy. I sign for it (snarling), snatch it from his grasp & run into the sunroom, sit on the carpet & begin to open up the box.
After finally figuring out how to remove tab A from slot B (those Brits do have a different way of making their boxes) without tearing the box, I remove the protective plastic wrap & paper & expose the rifle. BSA has thoughtfully provided a vial of their Excalibur pellets, literature, allen wrenches, & even screws to fill the holes in the barrel when you remove the rear sight. First impression…. WOW!
The Monte Carlo stock is very well made with an excellent satin finish. The wood is beautiful with a tigers eye - birds eye sort of grain when the light hits it right, no rough edges, lots of attention to detail. A very nice piece of workmanship! The rifle balances well & the stock meets my shoulder perfectly. The rubber recoil pad makes the trigger pull length just right for my 5' 11" (average, they say) frame. The cheek pad puts my eye a little high for the factory open sights (personal preferences here), but is just right once I mount the scope.
The barrel, mechanism & finish are first rate - a nice gleaming black color, all edges smoothly milled. One very good idea - the screws all have allen wrench heads on them - no more buggered up phillips head screws! The under lever release & hinge pivot are very smooth with no lateral movement. The trigger mechanism is great! All of the major airgun manufacturers claim to have fully adjustable triggers, but my experience with Gamo & RWS is that there is very little actual adjustment & the trigger is not very smooth. The BSA trigger mechanism is easily adjustable to less than 2 pounds and has a very smooth, effortless release with no rough spots to hang up on you. The rotary breech mechanism was really awkward - for all of 2 minutes. Once you get the hang of it, it's easy & effortless. I have only had to fire one pellet backwards - dome pellets will flip over on you & go in backwards at first if you are not real careful, but loading soon becomes second nature.
Ok, let's clean the barrel out before firing. The patch with Simple Green comes out really caked with black preservative grease. After about 15 more patches (a couple of more with SG, the rest dry), the barrel is spotless. Since I had to cock the rifle to open the breech, I'll have to fire it to release the spring (shucks). Open the window; point it at the oak tree & fire!
I was surprised by the relatively small amount of recoil (I am used to a .22 RWS 48, remember) and the loudness of the shot. There was a little dieseling at first (as expected), but this soon stopped after 15 or 20 shots & the volume did go down somewhat. Nevertheless, this is not a covert operations airgun!
One thing I immediately noticed was a lack of vibration & audible spring twang. After putting a few hundred pellets through this airgun, I really don't see why you would want (or need) a tune, unless you put in a gas ram to eliminate worries over leaving the rifle cocked for extended periods (I know, Peter… but some folks still don't believe our experiences with springers that are left cocked). A very smooth firing airgun with a great trigger. I have been able to produce 3 shot groups as small as 1/4 inch (occasionally, average is about ½ inch) at 25 yards with this Super Star & the Bushnell 3X9 scope. This is one instance where "accuracy right out of the box" is an actual description of the product. It can only get better with practice.
After shooting a lot of different domes from the pellet sampler, it looks to me like the RWS Super Domes group about as well as any of them in this rifle, including the CP Lites. I will probably play around a little more to check on foot pounds & such. One thing I noticed was that this particular BSA did not seem to like any of the wad cutter pellets that I tried much as far as grouping goes. Maybe it was just me, or screws loosening up - sounds like another excuse to do further testing! I hope to run some pellets through my chronograph this weekend & see what fps & foot pounds are being produced at the muzzle. The BSA box was marked "For export only," so I'm thinking (or hoping, anyway) that maybe this one exceeds the 12 foot pound limit that the Brits use for domestic production.
A word about the B-Square scope mount - because of the oddball (to us, anyway) 14 mm width of the scope rail, there are only a few scope mounts over here that will fit BSA airguns. I went with the B2 model 17501 mount (as recommended by PSI) that is made especially for the 14 mm BSA rail. This is a windage & elevation adjustable mount. The instructions that come with it are less than detailed, so go to Straight Shooters' web site for detailed info (with pictures) on how to mount & adjust this thing.
The first problem with the mount is that the stop pin that protrudes from the underside does not fit properly into the hole in the scope rail - the rear of the mount is elevated! I initially tried simply reversing the mount so that this pin butted the front of the rail. This worked, but it moved the scope too far forward & covered the rotary breech mechanism. The rifle could still be loaded, but it was rather difficult to rotate the breech open & closed & guide the pellet down the groove. I ended up taking a small fine tooth file & rasping off just enough of the pin to allow the mount to fit flush with the rail. Go easy & take off a little bit at a time, checking for fit frequently. This solved the mount problem in this respect. Please note that even with the scope mount properly in place, a scope much longer than 13 inches will encroach on the breech mechanism & cause problems with loading. You can gain a little room by moving the scope back in the rings, but this brings the lens too close to my eye for comfort (for me, anyway).
The next problem is the way the mount is adjusted for windage & elevation. You put everything together (first making sure that your scope turrets are centered), aim at a target (a large one) & see where it hits. Then you have to remove the scope, loosen the 2 locking screws for each post (4 total), adjust the posts laterally by turning 2 screws on each post, place the scope back in the ring saddle to align everything & then tighten the 4 adjustment screws & 4 locking screws to hold everything in place. Remount the rings, tighten everything up, aim at the target & shoot again. See where it hits & repeat the process. This assembly - disassembly process took me about 30 minutes each time & 5 tries were needed before I got the POI close enough to use the scope turrets to finish zeroing in - do the math - 2.5 hours just to get the mount adjusted right. Oh yeah - elevation adjustment is also a trial & error thing that requires the same take-it-apart-put-it-together routine, except you have to raise or lower the posts by screwing (or unscrewing) them. Do this while adjusting for windage, as the side adjustment screws must be loosened to allow the post to move up or down. Well, I finally got it all done, but I nearly wore out the little allen head locking screws with all the adjusting. After all, you have to really tighten them all up each time to lock the scope in place. There has to be a better design to do this!!
The simple manual that comes with the Super Star should really be looked over. It doesn't take long, but it does give you some good info. For example - using oil with silicone in it can damage the finish on the metal and actually harm the trigger mechanism - who would have thunk it? You also want to keep your allen wrenches handy, as the front stock screws have really had a tendency to loosen up after 50 shots or so. I'm a little hesitant to really crank down on them at this point, so maybe I'm not getting them tight enough. Any input on this one, Russ? Point is, the manual says to check those screws frequently, especially while the rifle is "new."
My final impressions? The .177 cal. BSA Super Star is a well built air rifle with lots of attention to detail & some real thought put into it. It is very accurate, has a good & flat trajectory & relatively less recoil than I am used to, has no discernable spring vibration or twang, & an excellent trigger. Hell, it even looks good! If you are looking for a good airgun in .177 (I suppose the same holds for .22 cal.) & if PSI still has some in stock for $302 (which includes shipping), then I would be all over one like white on rice (that's one of them Cajun sayings, folks - substitute "like a duck on a June bug" for SE Texas). I am very pleased & recommend the Super Star without reservation.
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In Reply to: Daisy Avanti 888 posted by Juan Mijangos on August 03, 2000 at 10:27:32:
Juan,
I am testing an 888 for the newsletter right now. If they are available for sale, it happened recently, as I have the prototype to test. The company said they would soon be in production a few months ago, so perhaps they are.
All I can say at this point is, it's a bulk-filled CO2 gun with a very nice stock and the same Lothar Walther barrel as the 853. That should result in a good youth target rifle.
Regards
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
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In Reply to: Re: How do I get to Carnegie Hall? posted by JS on August 03, 2000 at 10:34:24:
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In Reply to: Cheap scope for QB-88? posted by Dan D on August 03, 2000 at 10:17:23:
Let it smooth out first....
Any of the less expensive springer scopes will work....but the short action of the QB-88 is an issue. Makes it difficult to load with a longer scope over the port. The cool solution is a Beeman SS1 or 2 short scope. But why mount a $200+ scope on a $60 gun? :-)
The Bushnell Sportview works with tall mounts..but it's a little sticky loading pellets then.
Beleive it or not, Mine currently sports a cheap $10 Walmart 4x scope from Daisy! And it has for several hundred shots now. Still putting the pellets where I aim them. Beyond 20 yards it's not very useful, but I try to stay under 25 yards anyway with the 88. This scope is small enough not to interfere with the port...mine is mounted way back though. I have it on some odd looking see-thru mounts....so I can use the iron sights in the "POS Rifle Shoot" and still have a scope there for bird popping.
Does it work? Ask the two starlings that I holed yesterday. Seemed to reach out and touch them okay at 20 yards. But Mr. Sparrow at 30 yards was pushing my ability with this gun...he fled.
Jack
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In Reply to: How do I ship a pellet pistol legally?....... posted by JimC on August 03, 2000 at 08:58:40:
You can ship a pellet pistol just like you can ship a letter the air pistol is not regulated in this country so the post office is just filled with a bunch of retards, I would insist that they ship it.
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In Reply to: How do I become a better shot? posted by Dan D on August 03, 2000 at 10:07:01:
"Practice, practice, practice."
But don't try to take too big of steps yet.
Your QB-88 is a springer and has all the quirks of them. Learn the gun, what works for you....do this a step at a time.
Start out at 25 feet.
Print out some of those nifty 25 foot air rifle targets (5 on one sheet) and use those for practice.
First off: DO NOT WORRY ABOUT HITTING THE 10 SPOT!
It is more important to learn to obtain and hold the same aim point for every shot at first.
Then to learn to pull the trigger without losing the sight picture.
Then to follow-through after firing.
Then to obtain a group (the key to it all I think).
After (and only after) you are obtaining consistant groupings of 5 shots or so, should you worry about moving that group into the 10 spot.
Right now, just get used to holding and firing the QB-88. You are breaking it in anyway, so your shot to shot placement will vary some while the gun settles down. Although you may not notice this. But you may as well use this inconsistant time in your 88's life to get the hang of how it feels to shoot, and how to shoot it. Try shooting it off a rest....just to see how well it will shoot and to take out some of the hold variables. That will give you some confidence in the gun.
By the time you QB-88 starts shooting consistantly, you'll be holding better....and the two of you will start placing those pellets where you want them to go.
Mine works well without the deathgrip approach. I rest the forearm in my left hand, just lightly holding the sides of the stock. Lets the gun do what it wants while the spring uncoils. As it smooths out, this works even better.
Themost important thing is to repeat the same hold shot to shot. So spend time getting used to how this feels so that you can repeat it. Again, while it's breaking in is a good time to practice this sort of thing. Think about the trigger ans such while you go through the firing sequences.
Oh yeah.....you are using open sights. focus on the front sight...let the rear line up automatically....focus hard on the front blade and place that at 6:00 o'clock under where you are aiming.
I'm no expert, hth.... Jack
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In Reply to: Re: which pistol? Crosman 2240 $40 shipped posted by Bob Kelly on August 03, 2000 at 09:09:54:
Then why is it every time I order a pellet pistol from an out of state store they send it to me via the US post office?
James L
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In Reply to: Who sells Bisley magnum .22 pellets? posted by Steve in CT on August 03, 2000 at 09:20:06:
I stock them and they are not as you already know ( Kodiacks ) They are much heavier and also a totally different shape.
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Is this rifle good? For the specifications in the Daisy site it looks like a good starting point with 10 meters rifles (light and 300 shots per fill). If you have the chance to shoot one, please tell me your experience.
Thank you very much.
Juan
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In Reply to: ?????!!!!!!$$%%£%%£??????HOW THE **** posted by GMackeddie on August 03, 2000 at 06:38:45:
A 22 caliber hole is a 22 caliber hole, and higher velocity only increases shock value.
Jim
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As you may have read in my post below, I'm looking to improve my accuracy with my new QB-88. Naturally, "throwing money at it" seems like a good idea. ;) But not too much money. According to the review in the link below, mounting a scope on this gun is not simple, full of compromises. I'd like to know what you have found that works for you.
Thanks.
Dan.
In Reply to: How do I ship a pellet pistol legally?....... posted by JimC on August 03, 2000 at 08:58:40:
Why don't you use FedEx. You even get a tracking number. They never asked whats in the box. One time I shipped a rifle using the fedex tube box. Unfortunately the rifle was to long so I cut another fedex tube in half. Taped it up nice and secure, and they never asked what was in the box.
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Thanks to you all for the advice I've gotten on my first air rifle. It was this forum that recommended the QB-88, and I'm totally pleased with it. I put 30-40 rounds through it last night. The smoky chamber from the dieseling is a neat effect! :) I'm making progress on the '2000 pellet tune'.
So far I've learned that I'm a terrible shot. Using the mechanical sights (I have only a very rough idea how to adjust this thing) I can hit a soda can about 50% of the time from 10 paces. I want to be 100% from 30 paces! ;) What can I do to improve? Practice, of course, but that gets frustrating if I don't seem to make progress. What can I do as a shooting excercise to improve myself?
Thanks,
Dan
In Reply to: Re: Knives make no noise in the dark posted by M Boyle on August 03, 2000 at 00:34:20:
Guns does make it easier, just one pull of the trigger. Of guns never existed, the many drive by victims would still be alive.
I agree that the killing and muders will still exist but guns does make it very very to talk a life - just squeeze the trigger and someone dies.
MikeZ
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In Reply to: Who sells Bisley magnum .22 pellets? posted by Steve in CT on August 03, 2000 at 09:20:06:
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In Reply to: Making of a better brush gun... posted by matt sudol on August 02, 2000 at 13:02:44:
The Beeman C-1 (.22), the Webley Tracker (bit heavy though) and surprisingly enough (to some out there), the Crosman 2200 make dandy carbines for what you outlined.
I, too, hunt cottontail in the thick brush and what I've always felt it desirable to have a lightweight, compact gun that was impervious to the sometimes very cold weather as well as scratches. This gun needs to have enough punch out to about 30 yards (40 would be nicer but 30 is fine). Believe it or not, that spells Crosman 2200 more than just about any other gun I can think of. It has more than enough accuracy for the job as long as a little judicious selecting of pellets is done. While I do like more punch in my guns, this one has enough for cottontails at these modest ranges. ------- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Hunting pellet... posted by GMackeddie on August 03, 2000 at 08:30:17:
Either flathead or hollow point will kill your prey with proper shot placement.
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In Reply to: Re: post office? Have you heard the phrase " going postal " ? posted by Darrell Scoggins on August 03, 2000 at 09:20:21:
First of all it was totally packaged. If I had not done the right thing by declaring it, it probably would have shipped OK. What,s this "bad name" stuff? Back off, until you understand the situation. I'm just asking a question here. There's no need for a self riteous sermon.
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In Reply to: How do I ship a pellet pistol legally?....... posted by JimC on August 03, 2000 at 08:58:40:
why would you walk into a public place with anything that
remotely resembled a firearm.... please use some common
sence and stop giving us a bad name. hth
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please give me a url if you know
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In Reply to: .311 caliber, 180+ lb. ft., from GL Barnes, is it worth the money? posted by peter on August 03, 2000 at 00:44:53:
HI,
The older Lyman Bullet moulds for .308 used to cast a .311 bullet that you then sized and lubricated down to .308. Now they only cast at about .309. If Lee or Lyman make moulds to cast bullets for 7.62X39 - the old Russian AK-47 caliber - they could be .311.
The cast lead bullet purveyors like Bull-X may sell a .311 bullet alread cast for 7.62 X39 or maybe for .32 ACP which I think is .310.
Certainly there is a cast bullet that is .311 in diameter.
The price is usually quite inexpensive.
In any case - check out lead bullet suppliers for the right diameter. Cast bullets are a relatively hard alloy of lead.
Tom
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In Reply to: Re: which pistol? Crosman 2240 $40 shipped posted by JimC on August 03, 2000 at 09:04:19:
Check out above posting and check gun laws where
you're shipping. The I didn't know doesn't work as
well as it used to, like back in grade school.
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In Reply to: How do I ship a pellet pistol legally?....... posted by JimC on August 03, 2000 at 08:58:40:
Fed-x or UPS...
I had the same exact thing happen to me. Ignorance
is an amazing thing, huh. This is where our gun laws
are going and damn quick!!
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In Reply to: which pistol? posted by CurtB on August 03, 2000 at 08:54:38:
I have a Crosman 2240. [See review on Brads page] brand new in unopened original package.....IF I can figure out how to ship it!!!
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I tried to ship a pellet pistol yesterday at the P.O. You would have thought it was a machine gun! Guys were coming out of the back room like crazy with thick books citeing paragraphs about concealed firearms and all, and how I needed to have a Federal Firearms Permit. I just want to ship a Crosman 2240. Any help is appreciated.
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Can anyone recommend a decent semi-auto CO2 pistol?
I don't expect one-hole groups, just a good gun to
with, and to do a little paper punching in my backyard
or basement. There are no local dealers of airguns where
I live, (except K-Mart, etc) so any recommendations on
who to order from would be greatly appreciated.
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In Reply to: .311 caliber, 180+ lb. ft., from GL Barnes, is it worth the money? posted by peter on August 03, 2000 at 00:44:53:
I have one....... 25 cal.
Is it worth the money ? That is up to the shooter/owner. My 25 has been sitting collecting dust. Reason : My Titan 12" action carbine has
better accuracy, stock design makes it easier to shoot and carry and you can by 2-3 of them for the price of one of GL Barnes creations.
I also have a "Big Bore 44" by Saver, its cost
delivered anywhere in the US is under $600. The
Big Bore 44 check it out at.
URL.. www.airpower.welcomeyou.com
Or go to the Stalker site , or check out the 9mm Career. And you won't have to wait 1-2yrs. for delivery of any of these guns.
Bob
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In Reply to: Steve, if you ever get over here... posted by peter huppertz on August 03, 2000 at 05:22:30:
But I believe Stocky said to me that Swinson thought the gun was a fine gun if it sold for $100.00 cheaper. Basically what I am maintaining that it is not a bad gun if it sold cheaper.
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for the 1322, which is best thi pistol prefer flat heads and hollow points, round heads just go through the target at short range and thats the range i shoot at ,accupell dont seal in the bore properly anyway. So any way could some one recomend a flat head or hollow point pellet for hunting small game such as squirel, rats and ferals
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In Reply to: Re: ?????!!!!!!$$%%£%%£??????HOW THE **** posted by sman on August 03, 2000 at 08:13:57:
Maybe, i use open sights though he uses his red dot. wouse that he is i think open sights are a good chalenge
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In Reply to: Suggestions on what pellets shot best in a Career .22 posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 03, 2000 at 07:58:36:
Wayne,
Ask Mac-1 to send you some of the heavy Korean's.
I found those to be the most accurate one's in mine with the kodiak's very close behind.
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In Reply to: ?????!!!!!!$$%%£%%£??????HOW THE **** posted by GMackeddie on August 03, 2000 at 06:38:45:
LOL i don't know but i guess it was because your friend was a good shot!
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In Reply to: Anyone have current email address for David Rabenius? (nt) posted by R Yost in St. Louis on August 02, 2000 at 23:45:10:
Roger:
Try DavidRabenius@aol.com.
Many mail systems put a dot in the space between his names and the AOL server flakes out. No space works OK.
Al
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I will be getting my new Mac-1 Career in a week or two. Since I will be using this gun for hunting. I would like to know from your experience what pellets shoot and feed the best in this rifle.
Thank you for your suggestions.
Wayne
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In Reply to: More 1322 questoins..... posted by GMackeddie on August 03, 2000 at 05:26:55:
Purchased it from MAC-1 at the same time as my rifle. I imagine it would fit yours. Check with Tim at:
In Reply to: RWS Model 75 (seal problems??) posted by Allen on August 02, 2000 at 13:43:07:
Your 75 needs seals!
We are the RWS repair center and we repair them all the time. Give us a call and we will be glad to fix it up for you. Total overhaul runs a little over 100.00
Thanks
Leigh
RWS Service Center
606 South Front St.
Montezuma IA 50171
641-623-3098
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In Reply to: Buy them fromJames at fun supply. Great honorable guy. posted by Steve in CT on August 02, 2000 at 22:27:22:
Been wanting to get a gun from there this week myself, but they aren't taking orders. The site has a big yellow banner explaining this. James said they'd be back to ordering "today or tomorrow"...but that was on Tuesday. I just had a look and the banner is still in place.
Out of curiousity, I wonder how many sales this loses? Some folks just might pay the little bit more to be able to order something when they want to. Bummer.
Jack
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i got my 1322 on tuesday and now im getting resonably accurate with it. so i invited my freind up, and he brought his S & W Co2 revolver we wentfor a walk in the woods for a hunt /plink and i spoted a big fat squirel at about 15m and i aimed and my freind shot it dead with one shot to the chest. how in the name of god did he manage that with such a low powered gun????
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I wonder what "Norica Mod 61 (young black) 4.5mm"'s shot speed is.
ex: 160m/s
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In Reply to: Re: Red dot sight or lazer.HELP! posted by Luis G on August 03, 2000 at 02:42:26:
hunt what???? a berreta cant kill anything other than at point blank!!!!!! Shooting animals with a pistol like that is mad and unfiar on your qaurry!!!!
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After using a falcon trigger the crosman trigger is thin and dinky and heavy to pull i was wondering if it is posible to fit a trigger shoe???Also any pellet recomendatoins,Can I lighten the trigger somehow????
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In Reply to: Re: Talon vs. other PCP's posted by Steve in CT on August 01, 2000 at 09:15:04:
... we'll set you up to shoot a Gunpower Stealth that may have you thinking differently.
The nore I think about it, the more I sense that there was something horribly wrong with the one you shot.
peter
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The last two copies of the first edition of 75 Years of Crosman Airguns - the official history of every airgun model produced by Crosman - are going on the auction block. Serial number 11 is up for auction on Ebay right now. And once this auction is over, the last copy, literally, of the 1st edition (no. 306) will go up.
Thanks
DT Fletcher
In Reply to: What causes the valve to flutter on a co2/pcp gun when fired? NT posted by Mike T on August 01, 2000 at 21:16:36:
lack of pressure behind the firing valve, or a valve return spring that's not up to the task at hand.
Please note: I'm not exactly a saint on pcp technology, but I'm learning as I go ;-)
I know less than zilch on CO2 guns (our climate precludes the widespread use).
In an unregulated gun, the counterpressure behind the firing valve is in the tank. Valve fluttering can, and on many pcp's will, happen if the gun runs out of air.
In a regulated gun, the counterpressure is behind the valve, ie the valve chamber (is that the right English word? Too bad I dan't draw here).
If a regulated pcp runs out of juice, either of two things may happen:
- the valve will no longer close, causing the air to run out of the barrel at a steady pace (that's what happens with my AA reg, that regulates from a pressure chamber);
- the valve will start clattering wildly, and your shots will drop (that's what happens to Janny's Shamal, of which the regulator has atmospheric pressure to the other side -- excuse my bad English at this point).
I believe that Gary Barnes regulates against atmospheric pressure as well. If the Barnes Nitro Express that I was once exposed to runs out of air, the valve clatters in such a way that all inhabitants of the village reach for their scuba tanks ;-)
If the gun is properly set up, the valve should only clatter when the gun runs out of juice.
Is your Farco regulated?
peter
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In Reply to: Re: Which Red dot sight? posted by MarkWBØSYV on August 03, 2000 at 03:20:45:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: Which Red dot sight? posted by AUG on August 02, 2000 at 23:51:14:
http://goldentoller.freeyellow.com/
THere it is - sorry about that!!
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In Reply to: Re: Which Red dot sight? posted by AUG on August 02, 2000 at 23:51:14:
Golden Toller
Here's his URL - you won't be disappointed! I have bought several
items from him and plan to order a rifle next week!
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In Reply to: Red dot sight or lazer.HELP! posted by Greg on August 03, 2000 at 02:08:18:
Hey, Greg, mount a C-More red dot sight on the Beretta. Hehe, I think it will cost you more than buying the Beretta!
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In Reply to: Re: Which Red dot sight? posted by Greg on August 03, 2000 at 01:57:16:
Beretta looks cool~~
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In Reply to: Re: Which Red dot sight? posted by Greg on August 03, 2000 at 01:57:16:
Recently I saw a movie (a chinese one, I'm a chinese), in the movie the main character uses a cool competition handgun. I think the model of the pistol is a Colt Government, and a C-More red dot sight is mounted on it. I just found that it looks very good (I think it's useful too...), so I decide to buy a red dot.
I like the Beretta pretty much. Before I always think that Japanese airsoft guns look the best, but now I have a different view~~! So, what's the color of your Beretta? I have a silver one.
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In Reply to: Re: Webley Vulcan posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:15:07:
Thanks Russ,
BTW, I wanted to quote your post regarding a Vulcan only getting around 600fps (590fps?), but I wasn't sure if you were refering to an older model of the Vulcan as opposed to the latest model out (which I have).
regards,
jcbii
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In Reply to: Red dot sight or lazer.HELP! posted by Greg on August 03, 2000 at 02:08:18:
A red dot sight is better because the lazer will someones spook your prey. If your going to plink with it I will get a lazer for the fun.
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In Reply to: squirrels and crows posted by Steven Taylors on August 02, 2000 at 17:28:49:
Why don't you head over to Beeman in Huntington Beach and shoot a few of their guns. (If it's not to far from you.) They usally have good deals on used ones that would probably do the trick. IF you don't want to pump either a Supersport or R9 (just outside your price range) would do the trick. For around $100 a .22 Sheridan 392 would probably do the trick.
-Mark
P.S. Also check out Mac-1 in So.Cal
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In Reply to: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 07:02:38:
"Then, if they say, “Isn’t that limited lethality too great a risk?” you might point out that over the past ten years, far more (perhaps 10 times) people have been killed playing football than have died from airguns."
--------------------------------------------
Josh,
I understand what you are saying, but unfortunately, when it comes to the gun debate, reason and logic go out the window. Take for instance the fact that more children lose their lives in automotive accidents in America than by accidental shootings. Do you think people would consider banning automobiles? Sorry, I think not. How about swimming pools? Nope. But guns -well they are evil, and are used by evil people. See where I am going? Sometimes I really think its hopeless and just a matter of time before airguns are restricted in some fashion. I wouldn't even be surprised if airguns were banned outright. Why? Because, when it comes to guns of any kind, people vote on emotion, and usually nothing else.
Anon
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In Reply to: Should I get an .177 R9 for $230 or spend the extra $35 and get the .20? posted by chris on August 02, 2000 at 20:14:33:
I own the .20 cause I like to hunt with it and already owned a .177 gun. There should be no price difference between the two. I suggest going to aaasportinggood.com and get the Goldfinger combo with a Maccarri tune kit. That would be one sweet gun! Good luck!
-Mark
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In Reply to: .311 caliber, 180+ lb. ft., from GL Barnes, is it worth the money? posted by peter on August 03, 2000 at 00:44:53:
You could get a Carreer for a lot less that still has a heck of a lot of power. Are Barnes guns worth the money? You're getting a HAND MADE gun that is really one of kind, look great, and has power other air guns can only dream of. I think 3k is a small price to pay for somthing like that. I hear they are very loud though at discharge so I'm not sure they will be that more advantangeous over a centerfire.
I also live in CA and am finding places to hunt and shoot more difficult. I just keep my gun hobby quite and try to get out and shoot any time I can.
Good luck!
-Mark Lemm
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I have a umerax beretta air pistol and im looking for a sight for it any suggestions.Thanks
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In Reply to: Which Red dot sight? posted by AUG on August 02, 2000 at 19:13:49:
I have the same pistol.
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In Reply to: Which Red dot sight? posted by AUG on August 02, 2000 at 19:13:49:
How do you like your beretta?,Why red dot and not laszer,curious.
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In Reply to: A Tip For BONEHEADS! posted by BR on August 03, 2000 at 01:05:17:
"At the time, it SEEMED like a good idea."
O.T.
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In Reply to: A Tip For BONEHEADS! posted by BR on August 03, 2000 at 01:05:17:
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In Reply to: Re: golden toller CO2s posted by James L on August 02, 2000 at 12:30:25:
Shipping is the most reasonable I've seen from an internet dealer. This is due to the fact that Joe doesn't charge flat rates, he charges the actual cost of shipping. Can't beat that.
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In Reply to: BSA guns posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 15:56:30:
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In Reply to: .311 caliber, 180+ lb. ft., from GL Barnes, is it worth the money? posted by peter on August 03, 2000 at 00:44:53:
You could buy a Saver Big Bore 44 off the shelf, or a 9mm Career off the shelf. RB
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In Reply to: What is the ballictic coefficient of a 22 cal CP?... (n.t.) posted by Jim G. on August 01, 2000 at 20:21:06:
According to the FSI ballistic charts, the 14.3grain .22 Crosman Premier has a ballistic coefficient of 0.035. The tables indicate that the velocity should fall off by about 130 fps over the first 50 yards.
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In Reply to: Re: Which Red dot sight? posted by AUG on August 02, 2000 at 23:53:49:
The Millitt ($125.)
11 intensity settings
very good E/W adjusters
3min dot
sun shade
metal
Aloha John
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In Reply to: .311 caliber, 180+ lb. ft., from GL Barnes, is it worth the money? posted by peter on August 03, 2000 at 00:44:53:
Gary Barnes guns are some of the coolest customs around, worth every penny..forget the guys first name but quackenbush does some of high power, as well..on the 311 lead slugs. Gary barnes does molds that are custom made as well.. if you know how to do it make yer on lead slugs he might make molds too
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In Reply to: A Tip For BONEHEADS! posted by BR on August 03, 2000 at 01:05:17:
in my best Forest Gump voice.
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Don't remove the cap (the one where the CO2 cylinders go) while the gun is under pressure. Don't ask how I know!
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In Reply to: Re: Crosman # 400 magazines posted by Matt on August 02, 2000 at 11:48:08:
He posted on Brad Troyers page that he had the last ones he was going to make for sale. If you want some, I'd call now. Good luck, Bill
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Jim R on August 02, 2000 at 20:42:38:
"It's just possible that the ACLU does support the Second - I am very sure that if the Federal govt tried to disarm the National Guard
the ACLU might well intervene - and you do know that when the Supreme Court has ruled on this issue, that has been their interpretation - arming of the militia, not individuals."
Actually I don't think either statement is true. The ACLU has a published policy (46?) that is against private ownership of guns. I have a very tough time seeing them acting otherwise.
The SC has never ruled on that issue directly, no matter what HCI has told you. If they had, RKBA would be a 'dead issue'. The oft quoted Miller case is regarding a sawed off shotgun not being military fare (which it is of course), but since Miller never showed..... Interestingly enough the latest trend in scholarly work on the second holds it to be as written. Let's hope it's Bush that appoints the next several Justices, if it's AlGore, all I fear is lost...
Doug Owen
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In Reply to: Anyone have current email address for David Rabenius? (nt) posted by R Yost in St. Louis on August 02, 2000 at 23:45:10:
He had a posting on Brad's page for crosman 400 magazines for sale with an email address on it. You could try there. Good luck, Bill
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Jim R on August 02, 2000 at 20:42:38:
the miltitia act was ratified in the 1920s the mitltia spoke of in the second amen is us..citizin soldier.. we is the militia
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Charlie on August 02, 2000 at 21:02:38:
agree 100%
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In Reply to: Making of a better brush gun... posted by matt sudol on August 02, 2000 at 13:02:44:
I suspect it would be harder to cock for sure, but still manageable.
Velocity will no doubt be higher, and there should be no reason for accuracy to suffer. If you get the barrel choked, it might even be better too.
Doug Owen
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Well i am in a dilemma. I live in california and as any californian know you say gun and they scream. So instead of getting a .308 styer, i am thinking of getting a PCP that is capable of 100yd+ range since that is what i use most. The only person i know of that offer this in a good looking air rifle is Mr. GL Barnes. He will make me a 32 caliber rifle capable of at least 180ft lb and easily pass 200ft lb of power. he makes up to .561 i believe, but that's too much for me. Everything is handmade by him and is one-of-akind. Well i will probably have to shell out around $3,000. Now i will probably do it but does anyone know of any other places or individual that will do custom handmade air rifle capable of this power? And has anyone ever purchase one of his rifle? How hard is it to find .311 lead pellet(slugs)? And if anyone can convince me out of this, by all means do, because i am getting into that place all American like to go, big, bad, and power.
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Matt Donovan on August 02, 2000 at 21:35:30:
sounds like somthing ronny regan would say..as i dont know plants & trees that well ok what ever you say
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In Reply to: Dont miss the Reno air gun show! posted by Doug Law on August 02, 2000 at 22:25:54:
A MEN ill be their Willy from EUREKA"
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In Reply to: Okay, so what if I am, what's your point, Willey? posted by Uncle Gary on August 02, 2000 at 15:26:16:
"(P.S.: IT AIN't THE "CIVIL WAR", DAMMIT, IT'S THE "WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!")."
And here I thought it was 'the War of Yankee Agression'.....
Doug Owen
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In Reply to: Re: How good are Smith Wesson C02 Revolvers? posted by Derrin on August 02, 2000 at 09:21:39:
While it's true that they are all made by the same company, the S&W is a cut above the rest. I have both the RWS C225 (Sig lookalike) and the S&W. The S&W beats the RWS for accuracy and trigger.
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In Reply to: Re: got my 1322 yesterday.... posted by Cody Dottter on August 02, 2000 at 16:41:36:
Cody,
So I take it you think you're cleaver by doing something the manual says not to?
Do you think they put the warning in to intentionally lower the performance or safety of their product? Or the reliability?
I sincerely hope most readers are smart enough not to follow your example, and hope you reassess the attitude before you come to grief.
Doug Owen
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by MikeZ on August 02, 2000 at 10:52:14:
Mike, murderers are murderers. they do it with guns, thay do it with knives, they do it with cars, and rocks, and ballbats ..so the argument about getting rid of all guns will curb murder doesnt wash ..good ligic though..the other half i agree with..we are getting dumber and are lacking in common sense when a girl gets killed because she wanted to lissen to the radio while taking a bath so she plugs it in the wall.. gets inthe tube full of water.. cant hear the music so her turns up the radio..ZZAAPPP!!..when i hear stuff like that, the sinic in me says, death is the way God weeds the idiots out..but stuff like that just makes me sad
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In Reply to: Re: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Bill on August 02, 2000 at 17:42:02:
While the idea of suing the government for making laws that harm you is indeed attractive, you can't.
It comes from way back, you can't sue the monarch unless he consents to be sued. You're even severely limited as to folks like the police not protecting you.
Too bad, though. I'm sure they'd behave differently otherwise, as it is they have nothing to fear and know it.
OTOH, you probably could show that Sarah B and the HCI crowd know their lying and putting folks at risk......
Doug Owen
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In Reply to: Red Dot Sights posted by Fun Supply on August 02, 2000 at 21:36:15:
I'm sure my endorsement isn't worth much, but I'm very much satisfied with James's red dot sight as well as his service. Anyone looking for a quality deal should check these out.
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In Reply to: Re: err posted by M Boyle on August 02, 2000 at 17:29:10:
There is a very simple reason that nobody will tell you the 'secret formula' for calculating B.C., there isn't one.
There are processes for approximating velocity, path and other parameters, but they are far from simple. And they don't work for pellets. They don't really work all that well for small arms bullets (like say .30 cal rifles) even.
Loss due to drag is a very complex issue, and it changes a lot with velocity. The best you can do is model it, and try to match to that model.
I'd suggest you start out with one of the excellent ballistics programs, then try to fit your range and velocity into the existing profile for that pellet.
Doug Owen
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In Reply to: your flat opinion on sheridan vs the b22/sm1000 posted by overton on August 02, 2000 at 22:49:28:
There is no definative answer to your question!
Both guns are top quality, you will not get a junker no matter which you choose. They are radically different designs.
Both will kill pests and small game, both will last a long long time, both are accurate and reliable.
I have a Sheridan, very similar to the Benjamin, and if I had to choose between the two, I would pick up the B22 if I didn't have to lug it around to far, and the Sheridan if I was hauling it through the woods on foot all day.
In any situation that you will be taking a lot of shots, the B22 has the advantage for less pumping, but the Ben or Sheridan comes out on top for light weight if you are a carrying it any distance. 10 lb. 11 lb. scoped, gets heavy real fast.
Another viable low cost option would be a B18, a good compromise between weight, power, and losts of pumping.
The B18 is more directly comparable to a stock Benjamin than the B22, which is more powerful than the stock Benjamin. B18 = one pump for 710 pfs with 13.9 pellets, vs Sheridan at 685 = 10 pumps with 14.3 CP's.
Ultimate accuracy will vary from gun to gun, but on average is very similar with proper pellets.
The Benjamin or Sheridan will be easier to master and shoot consistently, as spring airguns take some getting used to compared to pneumatics.
The Steroid Sheridan will out power the stock B22 by about 2 fpe, and 60 fps, but at a cost of about 14 pumps. Parity is achieved at about 10 pumps. ( According to posts below, not tested by me)
Weight: B18 6 lb. Sheridan a few ounces lighter? No practical difference.
Noise: B18 or B22, very quiet, can barely hear it. Benjamin or Sheridan, more noise the more pumps, a lot louder at comparable power, similar to a long barrel (24 or 26 inch) .22 firearm.
Below are all athe posts I have saved regarding the Benjamin, the Sheridan, and the Steroid.
The comparisons above were obtained from this information, not commercially published info, or personal testing of the Benjamin, Sheridan, or Steroid.
B18 shooter opinions may be found on the Fun Supply website, as can B22 opinions.
Chrono results of the B18 and B22 posted on my site were measured with a Chrony F1 and Daisy Maxspeed 13.9 gr. pellets.
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Begin previously posted info on the Benjamin, Sheridan and Steroid. I hope the previous and following information is useful to you in choosing an air rifle. You really cannot go wrong either way, you may end up with both of these and more anyway. This is a great hobby, always something new to try!
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Posted by DAS on December 30, 1999 at 11:47:37:
In Reply to: Sheridan bolt removal - drilling holes for peep posted by daver on December 29, 1999 at 22:30:42:
Your breech bolt locking lug can be removed by using the hex head end of a 1/4-20 set screw as a mini nut driver. The little hole that you describe contains a tiny roll pin which is used as a locking mechanism to keep the locking lug from backing out. It can be accessed through a small hole in the receiver on the right hand side. You will need a tiny pin punch to remove it. When you remove the breech bolt, be careful not to lose the small friction spring as it will come flying out. Drilling the peep sight mounting holes must be done with the utmost care as there is no forgiveness if you screw up! The thread size is 6-48.
Dave
Posted by chieftd on November 25, 1999 at 15:45:01:
John, Here is some data I gathered this past summer
Steroid Crono/10 July 99
(The following stats were done indoors, temp at 70 degrees and the crono at the muzzle)
Each pump factor is a 5 shot average with 14.3gr CP, fps and fpe given
1 pump 297fps 2.8fpe
2 pumps 418fps 5.5fpe
3 pumps 494fps 7.8fpe
4 pumps 564fps 10.1fpe
5 pumps 599fps 11.4fpe
6 pumps 650fps 13.4fpe
7 pumps 687fps 15.0fpe
8 pumps 707fps 15.9fpe
9 pumps 723fps 16.6fpe
10 pumps 757fps 18.2fpe
11 pumps 772fps 18.9fpe
12 pumps 783fps 19.5fpe
13 pumps 799fps 20.3fpe
14 pumps 812fps 20.9fpe
Best crono at each pump factor:
1p 299fps 2.8fpe
2p 421fps 5.6fpe
3p 495fps 7.8fpe
4p 574fps 10.5fpe
5p 601fps 11.5fpe
6p 654fps 13.6fpe
7p 694fps 15.3fpe
8p 717fps 16.3fpe
9p 727fps 16.8fpe
10p 760fps 18.3fpe
11p 774fps 19.0fpe
12p 788fps 19.7fpe
13p 802fps 20.4fpe
14p 829fps 21.8fpe
I would recommend the steroid tune as well as getting the billet lever too. It really
amazing how good the performance difference really is.
Hope this helps. chieftd
In Reply to: What is a good, light 5.5mm round for the modern Crosman pneumatics? posted by Fearon Steele on July 12, 1999 at 05:20:51:
I am an expert neither on pneumatics or .22's, but I did recently test 5 pellets in a .22 Webley Viscount.
The most consistent was the RWS Meisterkugeln, the fastest was the RWS Hobby at just about 12 grains. The RWS Superdome was mediocre, the traditional British Eley Wasp was terrible, and the Premier turned in by far the lowest power output and poorest consistency.
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Msg. 136411 Posted by BALLISTIC1 on August 09, 1999 at 08:59:43:
In Reply to: Re: sheridan equipement posted by Chip Gibbs on August 09, 1999 at 07:15:05:
True, but if you set up your gun and scope a certain number of pumps at a certaian distance and practice, this can be used to your advantage.
Personally my scope is zeroed at 20yds(that is the distance I have available in my yard) at 4 pumps. I actually have dope for 4, 6, and 8 pumps as I shot my Sheridan in a FT match(16 out of 40 first time out). Anyway once you have a little data compiled you can use pumps instead of clicks, I.E.
15-25yds 4pumps
25-35 6
35-45 8
This may not be quite good enough for FT use but everybody knows that Benjamins and Sheridans are only good for hunting or plinking!!!!!!!!! And this system is more than adequate for these purposes.
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Re: Trust
What is the really accuracy of a sheridan .20 cal with Williams peeps
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Msg. 126224 Posted by Nick on July 07, 1999 at 04:48:06:
In Reply to: What is the really accuracy of a sheridan .20 cal with Williams peeps posted by jd on July 07, 1999 at 01:26:10:
I can get 1" groups or alittle less at 40 yds(I have 2 sheridans and both will do this) with sheridan diablos. This is with a tasco 4x32 w/AO airgun scope
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Msg. 124860 Posted by Nick on July 02, 1999 at 15:49:38:
In Reply to: 392 or Blue /Silver Streak? posted by Omen on July 02, 1999 at 10:57:17:
My sheridan blue streak shoots under 1" at 40 yds. Also I have used the intermount for over 7 yrs with no problem. Great guns and not given the credit they deserve.
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Msg. 124926 Posted by Nick on July 02, 1999 at 19:37:49:
In Reply to: Re: 392 or Blue /Silver Streak? posted by ERIC on July 02, 1999 at 16:36:37:
If you were using the 4 piece intermount that was the problem. I tried the 4 piece for a month then threw them away. Then I tried the 2 piece and it was a world of differnce....Nick
In Reply to: Are the twio piece intermounts any better than the four piece? posted by TM on July 02, 1999 at 18:29:50:
the 2 piece are much better than the 4 piece. I consider the 4 piece to be junk, I could not keep them tight. I have been using the 2 piece for years with no problems.
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Posted by Bob G. SJ.Ca on October 04, 1999 at 20:24:30:
In Reply to: Anyone done long range accuracy test with Benjamin 22 Steroid?? posted by Robert on October 04, 1999 at 12:14:24:
I have a benjamin 392pa that got the treatment a couple of months ago. Before, in box-stock condition it could print a 5 shot 1 hole group at 25 yards( my good days). The pellet of choice was the Crosman pionted copperhead pellet 14.3 gr. and 10 pumps (685 fps.). After getting the treatment the gun now preferes the Premier 14.3 pellet. the grouping is slightly larger but well under the size of a dime. 35 yard squirrel head shots rested against a tree are not hard.The increase in power is great, 825 fps. with 13 pumps shooting CPs, thats 21.6 ft.pnd.s. This is good for the 45 yard thorax shots up high in the walnut and oak trees. Man if you have a Ben 392 go for it. I have my rifle topped with a 3x9x32 Bushnell scope, in home made mounts. Go for the Integra mount it looks better than what I made. IHTH seeya
" INTEGRABASE " review
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Msg. 144231 Posted by Barnaby on August 31, 1999 at 17:38:54:
I was looking to mount a scope on my Ssheridan H9 Chrome plated pistol and e-mailed DAS if he had any mounts that would work. He said he did, but thought they might be a little cheesy, so he sugessted trying the "INTEGRABASE" sold by MAC1. Well I never heard of it so I made a post here, a few weeks back looking for info on the base. Greg Lundy of "Ballistic1" replied and answered all my questions and informed me that I could order them from MAC1. The mounts are finished in black (powder coated I believe) but my pistol is Chrome so he said he could send one that has not gone to the finisher yet and that it could be polished. He also wasn't sure if it would work on this pistol and it may have to be cut. If it didn't work he would buy it back(provided it wasn't cut of course) They are made from aluminum, so polishing it wasn't a problem. Well I decided to try it and placed an order. Greg sent the base before he received my money order. Most people want their money first. I was a little surprised at that and
appreciated the trust but would suggest in the future to wait till you receive your money Greg. Anyway upon arrival, I was thoroughly impressed, it is robust yet sleek/simple in design. It drops down over the barrel and then slips back kinda "dovetailing" over the receiver. I would indeed have to cut it to make it work, but I had just sharpened my chainsaw so it was easy.(kidding) There are three set screws on the top of the base which secure it to the gun. It will also work on my Benjamin 397P which is also chrome and I believe it will also work on my CrosSman 150. The key to determine whether it works is that the barrel or receiver should be 9/16 diameter and this radius should continue all the way down to where it meets the compression tube. If the radius stops about half way and then continues straight down to the compression tube, it will not work. I just wanted to say that Gregs' enthusiasm and professionalism is gonna get him into a lot of trouble, (via orders).
P.S.s - CrosSman and Ssheridan, just to annoy Tom. ; )
E-mail GCLundy@aol.com
or Mac1
Greg Lundy
6015 Cambridge Ave
Cincinnati, Ohio 45230
513 233-3616
Msg. 143938 Posted by Jerry G on August 30, 1999 at 14:47:01:
In Reply to: Can someone tell me what velocity a stock 392 will toss a 21grain Kodiak? Thanks posted by jason on August 30, 1999 at 00:17:46:
Mine did 565 fps (15 ft/lbs) with Kodiaks.
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Msg. 144069 Posted by Larz on August 30, 1999 at 23:33:02:
In Reply to: Sheridan trigger posted by Jon Powell on August 30, 1999 at 22:44:24:
Jon,
Crosman has put out a trigger fix for thier current
line of Benjamin /Sheridan guns (pre 2/99)
It consists of a new hammer and hammer spring and takes about 5 min
to install.
Crosman will send you a kit free of charge. Simply call thier customer service Dept. and request one.
HTH Larz
In Reply to: Scope for Benjamin or Sheridan Rifle posted by Eian on August 14, 1999 at 18:16:38:
Any mount which is 2 or more pieces usually attaches to the rifle with a clamping action, and therefore MAY over a period of time tend to TEAR the barrel or breech from the lower tube. When you install a multi piece mounting base on your rifle as tight as you can, the clamping action of good(Sportsmatch) scope rings actually counteracts the clamping action of the base(s) and the whole assembly WILL move. The other problem is you won't be able to mount your scope far enough back to get proper eye relief.
The INTEGRAMOUNT is precisely machined out of one piece of aluminum to exactly fit over and almost completely encapsulate the breech, it is locked to the breech with three set screws on the top which pull it up, not applying any additional load to the joint between the breech and the lower tube.
I talked to Tim at MAC1 he said that the surface area of the soldered joint SHOULD be more than adequate to support the largest scopes.
I have had B&L 6-24X40 scope on my Steroid Streak for close to 6 months and have had no problem whatsoever, and believe me I don't BABY my rifle like most airgunners do!! I had my rifle balancing on a Sheridan pellet box to take some pictures and it fell off right onto the scope, I thought from the impact that I had probably ruined the scope.
I was amazed!!! The point of impact did not even change!!!
At about $40.00 the INTEGRAMOUNT may sound kind of expensive, but if you are planning to put a scope on your rifle Tim MacMurray says"In my book th
The best way that I've found to scope a ben/sher rifle is with a red dot sight.
These work well regardless of mounting method.
If an intermount type of system is used, the sight can be mounted far forward on the gun (scout style) where it will not interfere with pumping of the rifle.
If reciever dovetails are cut or an integramount is used on the reciever, the red dot is short enough to allow room in front of the reciever for holding the gun while pumping.
Another good scope choice is the Bushnell Sportview model number 79-0428. This is a 4x28 Compact rimfire scope. It is very short and will fit well over the reciever of the rifle. The Bushnell scope cost $42.24 at Midsouth Shooters Supply (1-888-SHOOTER) and is catalog number 027-790428. This is a nice little scope and rings are included with it.
As others have noted, the williams peep sight is a good choice and works well at the ranges this rifle is good for.
Therealld,Are you refereing to the Ace?Brian said it has an adjustable trigger, and other shooter on the forum claim its not bad at all.What about Mr. Bulks review?Im eager but at $400 I have top be cautious,especially since Ive never seen it or shot it.If it is what they say I am definately interested in buying one.I havent put my 1968 blue strek to the distance test but I was able to put the pellet thru the same hole shot after shot at 14yards.It was chronied at 3pumps-442fps,4-494fps,5-546fps,6-584fps,7-615fps,8-646fps,9-664fps,10-688fps,11-697fps,12-705fps with the benjamin/sheridan diablo domes which were even better than the crosman premiers.Same weight-14.3gr.this adds up to just over 15lbs.but you can see that 10 pumps is the last big gain at 15lbs.The ace is rated over 20lbs, with sub 1" at 50yards!
Don't pump the new Sheridan guns over 8 times, the lever will eventually buckle. The new guns have kinda crummy triggers and the levers and valve are either deliberately designed to fail above 8 pumps, or they have cost cut the design to the lowest possible that will work due to cost reasons.
The gun is ok for about $100 or so, since it has brass and walnut materials mostly, but just barely because of the crurmmy sights and trigger.
If you fit a Williams peep on it and have the trigger done for about $40 more or so, its a MUCH better gun.
It you want power tha will humble most springers tho, you need the full Steroid treatment, with all parts beefed and massaged for xtra strength and power, but you better have the xtra strenght to pump it as high as 14pumps to get ALL the power (thos Its actually more powerful at 6 pumps than a stock is at 8 usually).
This probably ups it another hundred bucks or so, and most every internal working part is addressed, but it still looks the same.
I helped Tim develop most of the mods for this gun, tho credit for the neat billet steel lever goes to Terry Depew in AZ.
We wanted to be able to make the American made gun one of the best vermin blasters available, and it is.
ld
I have both, the Sharp Ace in .22, and the Benjamin 397 and 392. With a 4x scope on the Sharp it will shoot one hole groups out to at least 25 yards. Neither of the Benjamins will match this at 10 meters. The 397 has an apperature sight and globe front with interchangeable inserts, the 392 has a 4-12x scope. Both of the Benjamins have modified triggers in the 2-3 lbs. range. The Sharp is by far the best built rifle with its only drawback being the trigger. At three pumps it is about 3 lbs. but gets harder the more you pump. I consider seven pumps to be the upper end of usability offhand, from a rest ten pumps is usable.
I use the Sharp as a pure hunting rifle. Unlike a PCP there is nothing else to carry in the field except pellets. At $400 it may not seam like a bargin but when you add the extra cost for a pump or a scuba tank and the adapters it doesn't seam to bad.
I have only had the Sharp for about 8 months but have had no problems at all with it. It will never be used in wet weather, that's why I keep the Benjamins, brass doesn't rust.
Just my opinion, and don't try to change it, the sparrows and starlings know I'm right.
Dr. Leung:
Sounds to me like the Ace is the CM of the pumpers...only the Ace maybe more accurate. I agree with you; I think a Steroid Sheridan is less money better spent. For another hundred bucks over the Ace, one could buy the JM R9 TK RAID and have the perfect balance of power, superb accuracy, and a self-contained hunting arm. I bagged five squirrels yesterday with mine. The furtherest being 45 yards... all one stop shots.
Msg. 134893 Posted by DAS on August 05, 1999 at 22:23:02:
In Reply to: new oldie sheridan streak posted by cvarcher on August 05, 1999 at 20:53:21:
Use extreme caution if you are going to use the older style one piece intermount with three screws. They are notorious for separating the barrel to compression tube solder joint if overtightened. Safer to go with the 2 pc C as well as two older Benjamin models. Click on the link below and scroll down to the bottom of intermount. Regarding parts for your rifle, I have an on-line parts list for the Sheridan model my web page.
Dave
In Reply to: Re: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Tom @ Buzzard Bluff on August 02, 2000 at 17:55:48:
Tom,
Well, if I told you that there would be a suit
against the tobacco companies for manufacturing
defective and dangerous products ten years ago,
you would have laughed, right? What if I said
the suit would be successful? ROFL
If you could prove that the legislators knew that
their pandering legislation would serve no purpose
except to expose citizens to unnecessary risk...well,
that begins to sound plausible. Perhaps there were
studies that told the truth which were ignored,
like in the tobacco litigation. Perhaps there is
a whistleblower?
Would you have ever thought that cities would bring
suits against firearm manufacturers for crimes on
their streets? The scent of money really brings
out creative thinking.
Whew...I'm back to reality now. Kind of a Kubla
Khan for former-opium lovers.
bearridge
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In Reply to: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by RSO on August 02, 2000 at 09:49:40:
seems they love twisting what we say and beleave..
Sex edu in a perfect world, mom & dad should &would teach this. with "there" morals. to there kids..but many just dont know how to teach this. so they make schools do it,,so they do it with "there" morals and so we whine about sex edu and the schools doing what we should be doing..well yaa got what they thought you wanted. if you let the schools &Gov put there logic to things. like No guns=no violance ..you get what you ask for. i dont blame anyone but me if things go wrong for me..we need to take responsability back..for our self & kids..bottom line, is get in volved. NRA, PTA, local Gov, Church cubscouts..what ever it is..if you dont speak they cant hear!
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In Reply to: Re: Which Red dot sight? posted by jr99 on August 02, 2000 at 23:15:18:
John, what models do you own?
thanks...
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In Reply to: Re: Which Red dot sight? posted by MarkWBØSYV on August 02, 2000 at 23:26:09:
Thanks!
Does Joe have an email address?
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In Reply to: Re: I bought a neat gun today !! posted by Derrin on August 02, 2000 at 23:05:07:
Derrin, tell the truth pyramyd arms\stone sells the H&N field target trophy smooths for less then the stock Beeman fts price ..Beemans tins are 250 H&N FTTS is 500 they are the same pellet $9.89for a tin of 500. Beeman is more like 6.98 for tin of 250 the phone is 1-888-guns the resource setion of the main page has the link for pyramyd arms
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I said nt but thanks in advance.
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In Reply to: Re: Should I get an .177 R9 for $230 or spend the extra $35 and get the .20? posted by wved on August 02, 2000 at 21:05:35:
Chris:
Price should be the same, regardless of caliber. Shop around some more.
As far as which is better, I've had both (actually same gun but changed barrel from .20 to .177). IMO, accuracy is a little better with the .177, but it will shoot thru a lot of critters and birds. The .20 has more pop for hunting. Also, seems like many .20 caliber pellets fit loose in the R-9 barrel, or CP's are too tight and heavy. So, you get limited to just a few choices like the FTS. At least that was my experience. Either way, the R-9 is a really fun, light, and accurate gun.
HTH, Sloop
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In Reply to: Which Red dot sight? posted by AUG on August 02, 2000 at 19:13:49:
Call Joe at Golden Toller and tell him you want the
Tasco MiniMag Red Dot. For $49.00 its a good deal.
I have one on my Umarex RWS C-225 and have no problems
at all. I think you would be satisfied with this one.
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In Reply to: Re: your flat opinion on sheridan vs the b22/sm1000 posted by CCR fan on August 02, 2000 at 23:15:20:
In a few years, you may nead a new spring in the b22. The sping is not covered in the limmited lifetime waranty. For the price of that, in a few years you could send your gun to Mac1 for a steroid tune. That would give you a very powerfull gun (820 something fps). I'm guessing that for right now you want a cheeper gun, so thats why I thought that you might want to wait.
Good luck again, and great hunting!!!
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In Reply to: I bought a neat gun today !! posted by Derrin on August 02, 2000 at 22:19:31:
Ive always wanted one and a friend helped me out,"Thanks Mike!" and sold me his Diana 65! Im still trying to set up a target trap the neighbors wont object to. The gun is great, fabulous blue onthe receiver-amazing how theybuilt guns back in 1973! I took off the barrel sleeve and gun weighs about 8 1-2 pounds. Loove it. plastic trigger and all.
Diana rules!
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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In Reply to: your flat opinion on sheridan vs the b22/sm1000 posted by overton on August 02, 2000 at 22:49:28:
get the benjamin
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In Reply to: Crosman Model 115 CO2 pistol posted by Dick Purvis on August 02, 2000 at 22:40:55:
The 115 was made from 1951 - 1953. It was replaced by the model 157 in in 1954.
There are 4 guns in this series (111,112,115,116) and the 115 is by far the most rare. Value is very much dependant on condition. A mint boxed 115 might fetch $175 - $200 on the right day at auction. One in typical to fair condition might have a hard time fetching half that. Bottom line is about $100 and up to $200 or more if in top condition.
dt fletcher
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In Reply to: your flat opinion on sheridan vs the b22/sm1000 posted by overton on August 02, 2000 at 22:49:28:
I'd say to go with the benjamine. The chinese gun is the best of the chinese guns, and is actually pretty good. However, you said that you wanted a long term solution. Though the B22 is more powerfull (750 fps on a good day), thats not a whole, whole lot faster than the 685 that the Benjamin puts out. The B22 isn't junk though, it does come with a limmited lifetime waranty from cisico, and you can get a good one at funsupply.com(They will test the sights for you, and make sure that you don't have a junky gun before they send it to you).
Though the B22 is a good gun, the Benjamin is a proven lifetimer. If you take good care of it, you can have it arround for life.
Ask the folks at funsupply.com about the B22. As I write about it, I don't think that it would be that bad of a choice. I love my Ben., but I know from others that the b22 is good. I just havent had anyone put it in the lifetimer bracket yet. Solid gun, and pretty fast. I just know that you can't go wrong with a Ben. (well if you don't mind pumping) I don't.
good luck.
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In Reply to: Which Red dot sight? posted by AUG on August 02, 2000 at 19:13:49:
No offence too any one
I have two red dots and find them very easy to shoot with ether hunting or target.
Ther'er good forquarters and dimes at 50 yds
My 41/2 year old little girl was able keep her shots inside a 5in target at 10m useing a good reddot sight after 4 sessions.
Pease remember "you get what you pay for"
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Beeman SLR 98 , any opinions ???? posted by Derrin on August 02, 2000 at 23:10:49:
Derrin: there is writeup in the Our Take section od Straight Shooters site. RB
I got to handle this neat little gun today but not shoot it. Really neat concept and balance. Does anyone know how it performs ??
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In Reply to: Re: BSA guns posted by Dr.J. on August 02, 2000 at 21:21:22:
DrJ: Precision has the lowest prices on the Supersport that you can find. The price was $189, then dropped to $185. If it went lower than that, I'm not aware of it and PSI is pretty good about keeping me posted on sales. Regards, Russ Best (pres. BSA Owners Club)
In Reply to: Re: BSA guns posted by Dr.J. on August 02, 2000 at 21:21:22:
185.00 from Precision Sales is going to be the cheapest price as far as I know. As was said Russ will know for sure.
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In Reply to: Re: your flat opinion on sheridan vs the b22/sm1000 posted by matt sudol on August 02, 2000 at 22:54:37:
I own a B3 underlever (Chinese in .177) and it's more of a fun gun than a serious shooter or game-taker for me. It's a plinker really. I suppose if one knew what they were doing they could tune one and dress it up, but I think right out of the box the BenSher .22 (392) is the better ticket, as I own one and also have had a lot of experience with the Sheridan .20 Streak which I've owned 2 of... as much as I like the Streak and favor the .20 cal., the .22 sure does pack a whallop... and puts a good hole in squirrels. And I'm sure the tune from MAC-1 along with all the other options you can get them to do would really ice the cake of the BenSher. Furthermore, no recoil means smoother shooting and more forgiving shooting unless you shoot a springer more often. You can also mount about any scope on the pump rifle. I'm a fan of them, I'll admit it! Good shooting! -Glenn
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In Reply to: Turkey Hunting(again) posted by matt sudol on August 02, 2000 at 21:45:30:
Thanks again a lot of good information.
Point what type of rifle will you be useing PCP, springer, co2 or???
springers and bipods ??? I have'nt read to much positive about this combanation. PCP, and co2, pumps much fewer problems.
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Re: I bought a neat gun today !! posted by M Boyle on August 02, 2000 at 22:54:06:
That is one pellet I have never tried , but have heard good things about. I find that either Premiers or Kodiaks almost always perform well in most any gun I've ever tried. Where is a good place to order the FTS pellets ??
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In Reply to: Another liberal for guns... posted by JP on August 02, 2000 at 18:16:40:
I think you've made some interesting points. I'm an older guy whose only income is from cab driving, which I've done for 25 years. I have a permit to carry, but I've only carried when someone in this town is robbing or killing cab
drivers.
Also, as I'm getting older and more vulnerable, I'm more likely to pick up my gun when answering a loud knock at 3 a.m.
A big drawback to having a permit to carry in Washington state is that the cops know you might be carrying when they check your driver's license, and so I feel prone to being shot by nervous cops. As a night cab driver, I'm pulled over quite frquently by cops..they usually say it's because of improper driving, but really they just want an excuse to check out me or my passenger for drugs, etc.
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Just came home from 12 days in the U.K., England and Wales. Lovely weather, great friends, good walks in the country with my sweet wife. But I had been offline all that time, and decided to go find Airgun World and Air Gunner in a Newsagent shop, which I did. I personally love them for a number of reasons, though some might think them a bit juvenile. I happen to get excited by a country that has two regularly published mags. that actually have photos, d.i.y. projects, news on items of maufacture and news bits on the sport, as well as wishbook listings of various airguns I've never seen in the U.S. nor expect I'll ever have enough loot to own myself! Also, if they seem somewhat childish, thank God somebody is doing publications that may well whet the appetite for our sport in the minds of the young... because THEY are the future of it all! I saw a number of field-shoots set up, but never had the time (business and brief walks... sigh) to do any shooting. But squirrel season just opened (Yahoo!) so I'm off to the woods next week for a few days with my wife... who's not only lovely, but a GREAT game cook. Maybe I'll post a report on the BenSher .22 rifle and Sheridan .20 pump pistol shootin' experience sometime later this summer or fall. Great forum Edith, keep it up!!! -Glenn
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In Reply to: Re:Great honorable guy.most of these dude are posted by M Boyle on August 02, 2000 at 22:58:49:
dude=dudes..and so on
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In Reply to: Buy them fromJames at fun supply. Great honorable guy. posted by Steve in CT on August 02, 2000 at 22:27:22:
its the ones that sniff the lubes we need to whach out for..theyre by-poler..nice one sec, rip yer head off the next ;)..see a smiley..it was a joke ;)
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In Reply to: looking for daisy collector posted by Jim W on August 01, 2000 at 18:25:17:
Actually, you don't need a Daisy collector. There is more general value in the 118 than any collector's value. Daisy must have made millions of the 118. Even in the box complete and mint is not an unusual find for the 118. Most serious Daisy collectors will probably not be interested, unless there is something unique about it.
The value on these guns is actually going down, as I can see, since so many have been put on the market. When Ebay was still accepting airguns there were so many up for auction that there was simply no bidders for most of them.
I would suggest taking good pictures and trying to auction on Yahoo or AuctionArms.com
I would estimate a mint 118 in the box being worth about $65 - $75 these days (even at that price it might be hard finding a buyer.) A few years ago it was close to twice that. Much the same thing is happening to the old cap guns. Once the internet exposed how many of these guns were actually around, the value for anything not extremely rare, or desirable, started going down.
dt fletcher
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In Reply to: your flat opinion on sheridan vs the b22/sm1000 posted by overton on August 02, 2000 at 22:49:28:
B-S 392 with out a doubt you can get it steroid tuned by MAC-1 I know I will it tunes the gun to around 825 fps producing 21 fpe pure knock down power at it's purest. The .22 is the best for squirrels and crows.
In Reply to: Re: Rebuilding Dad’s Old Crosman 140-LONG posted by mike on August 02, 2000 at 00:04:46:
Try Precision Pellet or Jim Maccari, maybe D.T. Fletcher has some other ideas.
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In Reply to: I bought a neat gun today !! posted by Derrin on August 02, 2000 at 22:19:31:
Derrin did you try the fts in it yet? it might come closer to 800fps..i like the old stock myself
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i need some help from some of you more experienced shooters in terms of what would make the best long term solution for pest control and small game hunting between a benjamin 392 22cal and the b22. im aware of the pump advantage but have heard things like crooked barrels , poor sights, and sometimes poor worksmanship on some of the chinese rifles. just honest opinions is what im after from people who shoot . Please chime in i dont want to buy a junker
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In Reply to: What causes the valve to flutter on a co2/pcp gun when fired? NT posted by Mike T on August 01, 2000 at 21:16:36:
I worked out this problem on a model 180 that fluttered so bad that it sounded like a machine gun when fired. What causes this is, what I call, reflections of the CO2 stream back into the valve. When CO2 is released by the valve it, of course, moves violently out of the exhaust port. It this stream of CO2 hits any obstruction it can reflect or bounce back towards the valve with enough force to actually reopen the valve. That is the flutter you hear. The valve opening and closing. Once the valve opens again and more CO2 is released it again hits the obstruction and reflects back again towards the valve and opens it again. This will continue until the reflected CO2 doesn't have enough energy to open the valve again. The reason this will happen more in a gun low on CO2 is because of the lower pressure behind the exhaust valve makes it easier to open.
The cure is to smooth out and remove any obstructions in the CO2 exhaust path. In particular, try and smooth any corners or right angles in the exhaust path. When MAC-1 (Larry Durham did the actual work) did the port tuning on the Ultimate QB-22 they went to great pains to make the exhaust port as smooth and rounded as possible. See the Crosman Model 160 Pellgun for pictures and more details.
dt fletcher
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I have a Crosman Modle 115 .177 cal. pistol (serial number 2322XX) in excellent condition. I has a large CO2 cylinder that threads into the front of the gun just below the barrel. I received it 20 years ago and there is still CO2 in the cylinder. It shoots very well and will put a hole thru a soda can and out the other side witn no problem. I do not have the booklet that came with the gun but do have the box and a listing of where to get the canister refilled. Looking for someone to give me an idea of how old the gun is and its value to a collector, if any. Thanks in advance.
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In Reply to: squirrels and crows posted by Steven Taylors on August 02, 2000 at 17:28:49:
BSA Supersport in .22 cal should do the job. It is light, accurate and just powerfull enough.
A second thought can be given to a B22 (.22) for $137 from fun supply. It is a lot more powerfull but also a lot heavier.
For around $230 you could get an R9 in .20 which is also more powerfull than the SS to give you longer ranges.
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In Reply to: Re: Falcon raptor take 40yrd yard cock pheasant????.... posted by jr99 on August 02, 2000 at 17:40:07:
ONLY WITH A HEADSHOT !!! Going for a bodyshot will require perfect placement and NOT hitting any hard quills or you will wound the bird.
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In Reply to: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 07:02:38:
Most people think of airguns as small toys for children. Slightly less dangerous than a good sized thrown rock.
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In Reply to: Best Pellet for Super Max posted by SS on August 02, 2000 at 10:38:49:
I have tried CP's in .177 and .22 in quite a few Xifeng Chinese air rifles, and so far never had any good results. The poster below had good results in his gun with them. It just goes to show you that you have to check your particular gun to be absolutely sure which pellet/pellets work best, you can't ask anyone else and be 100% sure.
In Reply to: Re: Crosman # 400 magazines posted by Matt on August 02, 2000 at 11:48:08:
I have bought from both people and the ones that Dave makes are better. Herbs magazines vary from mag to mag, the first two that I bought, I had to shorten the plunger as it was too long and went into the feedarm.
I have also bought # 118 mags from Dave and they are excellent. Side by side the #118 mags are identical.
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Will the gentleman who wanted more info on Haenels drop me an email.??I just moved and finally my literature on Haenel show ed up. I'm the dude who bought the 312 and it shoots fine. Sorry for the delay.
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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In Reply to: RWS Model 75 (seal problems??) posted by Allen on August 02, 2000 at 13:43:07:
The other two guys know whereof they speak. Do NOT take the 75 apart unless you are an expert!
Call Tim Challener at RWS. They will take care of you right, and it's not even that expensive.
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In Reply to: where to buy a sm1000 22cal for a low price posted by dton on August 02, 2000 at 19:56:47:
He stands behind what he sells.
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In Reply to: Range Finders posted by Quack on August 01, 2000 at 21:45:27:
Hey man,have you seen the rangefinder in Bass Pro Shops(and I assume Cabelas has it too)made by Ranging called the TLR 75,says it can read from 10 to 75 yards,perfect for us airgunners.Its $40,$50 if you want the camo version.Now remember I have never used one and dont know how good the quality is,just pointing it out to you.
Josh P.
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the rumor I hear is Reno will have a air gun show first weekend of November, so watch for it-you heard about it here first!
Should be super and Ill be there with lots of airgun literature.
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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Leupold Vari X III , 4.5 x 14 -50mm AO, like new , $ 350 FIRM.
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I found a old style Beeman Laser in .22 cal , new on a gunstore's shelf. This is the old style straight classic, laminated stock with Rosewood grip cap and checkering on the forearm. It is only my opinion , but this is about as fine of a stock as one could expect to get on a gun without spending a FORTUNE on a custom handmade stock. It is shooting 14.3 Preimers at 780 fps !!
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In Reply to: Bu[pe]llet pictures: in flight + impact posted by vZc® on August 02, 2000 at 21:18:14:
shazam
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In Reply to: Re: Should I get an .177 R9 for $230 or spend the extra $35 and get the .20? posted by Gary on August 02, 2000 at 20:28:36:
How about get the 20. from Pamona Airguns for $229
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In Reply to: where to buy a sm1000 22cal for a low price posted by dton on August 02, 2000 at 19:56:47:
If you have a problem with the gun, I will take care of it. I also test them before I ship them.
I should be open for business again sometime tommorow.
I have been doing my homework on this subject. I have e-mailed people posted here as well a few other forums and even went as far as calling up stores and vetern turkey hunting buddies. I have hunted them with shotguns and they are tough as it is but to add a little more challange why not reach for an airgun with more energy at 45 yards than a magnum load of #6's!? This is what I have come up with.
1) Guns - .20 caliber guns doing 500 at the range to turkey A.K.A 8 fpe
2) Scopes- high adjustuable magnifications of 6-18 because you must be able to hit a .5" circle at your range
3) Pellets- Domed or hollow point everyone's favroite two pellets crow mags and crosman premiers
4) Stand- Mono/Bipod a good steady rest is an absoulte must to hit an object of that size at that range
All the rest you will need is some camo , all your calls box,push/pull,mouth,striker,ect. , decoys and of course your TAG and or stamp if nessary. Hope this helps anyone that was considering taking a turkey with an airgun.
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Matt Donovan on August 02, 2000 at 21:35:30:
With the number of stupid kids posting brags about what (songbirds, pets, you name it) they just killed with their new airgun, you can bet your sweet a** that PETA is monitoring this site.
Jim R
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In Reply to: squirrels and crows posted by Steven Taylors on August 02, 2000 at 17:28:49:
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In Reply to: Re: BSA guns posted by Dr.J. on August 02, 2000 at 21:21:22:
Mine came from Precision. Admittedly, that was two years ago, but at the time they had the best price that I could find. They are likely to be at or near the lowest price point now as well, though RBest ("Mr. BSA") may be able to give you the definitive answer.
Their service was very good.
Jim R
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In Reply to: Re: Need help buying first airgun. posted by DaveG on August 02, 2000 at 10:40:53:
I bought a dozen Chinese AGs and gave some to relatives as gifts ans sold a few. I like the QB 88. The two I bought were accurate with Chinese match pellets (both 500 and 530 mg). The most accurate I bought was the TF 97 underlever in .177 which groups about 0.2-in at 10 m with a Trophy 4-12 scope. The TF 97 in .22 wouldn't group. The cheap TF 22A barrel cocker is quite a nice little gun for about $30 from Compasseco and about $20 if you buy five. Dr.J.
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In Reply to: Which Red dot sight? posted by AUG on August 02, 2000 at 19:13:49:
The Crosman and the Daisy cheap red dots do work in all but bright sunlight, but very small viewing area, so slow, and lots of parallex too.
Not so good for pistols, better for rifles where you have indexing from the stock and cheek weld. Pistols need a much larger veiw area so you can pick up the dot faster, you will see what I mean if you get one, you will spend a good bit of time wiggling the pistol around, trying to find the red dot.
In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom Gaylord on August 02, 2000 at 11:59:10:
I believe in reasonable gun control (keeping them out of the hands of criminals, morons and kids)but, the antis are unreasonable and mostly morons. Therefore, I won't give an inch and have the NRA to back me up.
I'm more worried about them grabbing my air guns because we are an unprotected minority and banning them would make headlines no matter how twisted the logic. The earth muffins would be delighted to see greenhouse gas spewing CO2 guns banned in spite of the fact that their precious trees emit a humungus amount of CO2 at night. That lead is bad stuff too. I don't know why the PETA fools haven't been whining about all the animals made stupid by gnawing on pellets. I hope they're not monitoring this sight.
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In Reply to: Re: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Charlie on August 02, 2000 at 21:13:41:
Cruise by you local high school and see how many new cars are in the STUDENT parking lot. Walk the mall and notice how many kids are wearing $200 shoes.
I think hoping that no irresponsible kid will wind up with a 9mm airgun because of cost is naive. There are a lot of rich, stupid parents out there.
Jim R
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In Reply to: Re: BSA guns posted by Jim R on August 02, 2000 at 21:05:55:
I checked out Precision's prices on the BSA Supersport and the sale price went from $169.90 to $185. Is this the only place to get the BSA Supersport? Someone posted Airguns of Arizona for BSA but I couldn't get into their website. Any suggestions for buying BSA?. Dr.J.
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In Reply to: Re: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Lon on August 02, 2000 at 08:44:10:
We can only hope that the price tag will be too prohibitive for
the purchase as a "child's toy".
Charlie
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In Reply to: Re: Say what , Mike?? posted by Matt Donovan on August 02, 2000 at 18:05:12:
they care about what? acounting? money? let me tell ya somthin about cigna..because of these silly feet i have to wear jobst fastfit compression stocking. they wanted me to wear custom one with a zipper, so they wouldnt have to pay for a nurse to do wound care..this is the kicker..cigna rules state that you have to go through the Hospital it get these custom stockings.
Messuring the stockings cost cigna $250+ (1 pair) was almost $350. fitting not done. cost $275..they just handed them to me. and said bye..this was through KU med..the home health company (gentiva) was going to do it for $80 + cost of stockings
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In Reply to: BSA guns posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 15:56:30:
I can testify to the SuperSport - solid, reliable, and accurate. Mine is in 0.177, but the powerplant is the same.
The open sights will shoot about as good as your eyes can see and your hands can hold. If you're getting old like me, get an airgun rated scope.
For woodchucks, I would recommend at least a 22 rimfire, if not a 22 magnum or a light 22 centerfire, like a hornet. Iknow, I know, folks will tell you that they have killed elephants with their trusty airgun, but good huntilg ethics tells you to be adequately armed, and a 15 ft/lb pellet gun is awfully little gun for a 'chuck.
That said, if you still want to do it, work on your stalking skills. You are much more likely to hit a one shot kill zone from 30 fett than from 75.
Jim R
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In Reply to: Should I get an .177 R9 for $230 or spend the extra $35 and get the .20? posted by chris on August 02, 2000 at 20:14:33:
In my opinion a stock R-9 is better suited to the .177 cal. Now if you were to respring with a Maccari Steelgate spring, it MIGHT be a different story.
Regards, wved
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom Gaylord on August 02, 2000 at 11:59:10:
I agree Tom. We look at our politicians and think they are a few bricks
short of a full load because some of them sign on to the gun control bandwagon
in order to reduce crime. This, despite the fact that every statistic points
to the contrary. In actuality, I think they are much smarter than they let on.
I think that there are those amongst them who want citizens to be disarmed for
the very reason that the 2nd ammendment was put in the constitution in the first
place. To defend against tyranny from those very same types of politicians. We'd
better wake up to that fact in numbers before the world becomes a much tougher
one to live in........................
Charlie
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In Reply to: Re: BSA guns posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 02, 2000 at 16:59:04:
The BSA guns are nice. They are not exotic handmade airguns with very expensive components. The key is that BSA is offering the guns for a very attractive price point for the different models. Good prices plus good quality equals value in the BSA line. For the average airgunner the BSA warrants a close look.
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In Reply to: Range Finders posted by Quack on August 01, 2000 at 21:45:27:
I stopped by my local Walmart to check out any airgun stuff that looked interesting and spotted a Bushnell 400 laser range finder for $79 (brand new) on clearance. I grabbed that puppy before anyone could lay their eyes on it! Of course, it's no longer the most advanced finder, but for $79 I can't complain.
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom Gaylord on August 02, 2000 at 11:59:10:
I suggest you read the conclusions of the study by Prof. John Lott who found a statistically significant decrease in violent crime in the 31 (now 33) states that have concealed carry. Dr.J.
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Mark Budai on August 02, 2000 at 10:38:21:
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In Reply to: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by RSO on August 02, 2000 at 09:49:40:
The only thing that liberals want individuals to learn is Socialism (that the State is more important than any individual). They don't want individuals to form their own opinions, but want them to spout politically correct speech to not offend anyone. They want everyone to not act in their own private interests, but to serve the eletist liberal leaders of the State without question.
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In Reply to: Should I get an .177 R9 for $230 or spend the extra $35 and get the .20? posted by chris on August 02, 2000 at 20:14:33:
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom Gaylord on August 02, 2000 at 11:59:10:
Tom,
It's just possible that the ACLU does support the Second - I am very sure that if the Federal govt tried to disarm the National Guard the ACLU might well intervene - and you do know that when the Supreme Court has ruled on this issue, that has been their interpretation - arming of the militia, not individuals.
Jim R
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In Reply to: So where's Brad's page (and who is Brad)? posted by Barry on August 02, 2000 at 18:50:39:
i asked if he was going to choke the barrel after the cut..that all ..i then said if so i felt a TK was a better gun, and that he should get one of those..i assumed he new that it would need to be used & not new..by doing that i felt he new this and didnt need to be told it..i respected the fact that he was intelligent & that he new it would be used not new (here comes the smilley) :) HTH we dont always need to hold the hands of an adult poster. i have respect for every poster here new & old. there are times when i need fiber, and i some times have my moods. like the post some days ago thats nolong on the forum i felt Mac1 was very clear and said as such. but over did it by adding the word "Doh" to the post..and im sorry for that. 99% of the time youll over see me give it if im attacked ..the other 1% is me shoving me foot in my mouth..Hey im Human..btw Brad airgun ads where youd find a used TK
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In Reply to: Re: Eh? Start a little club; call ourselves the posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:00:15:
You know you could count me in as a Streaker - the Blue Streak is my favorite airgun for dispatching trespassing critters.
Edith Gaylord
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In Reply to: Scope Suggestions for QB78-22 posted by TinkerMan on August 01, 2000 at 22:18:45:
BSA 2x7 32AO 69.95 at compasseco
Go to the bottom of the page.
In Reply to: Should I get an .177 R9 for $230 or spend the extra $35 and get the .20? posted by chris on August 02, 2000 at 20:14:33:
The first thing everyone is goin to ask is what do intend to do with it? I have the .20 and love it. The other question is why is the .20 $35 more than the .177? Pomona has em for $229 last time I looked. I presonaly think the .20 is a better all around caliber. But you will find just as many or more that think otherwise.
Gary
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It seems to me the the .20 would be a better caliber for general use excluding FT.
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In Reply to: Re: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Lon on August 02, 2000 at 08:44:10:
I don't think that as long as 9mm pcp's are $500.00 and the pumps are $200.00 you will see too many children running around with them. Especially as hard as they would be for children to pump up.
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In Reply to: M.Boyle - You are sorely.... posted by R.P. McMurphy on August 02, 2000 at 18:22:07:
if that wasnt clear get a TK Raid "used"
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In Reply to: squirrels and crows posted by Steven Taylors on August 02, 2000 at 17:28:49:
another good candidate is the RWS 34- about $170. Good power & accuracy necessary for your application- i would also go with 0.22 for much better knockdown for these sometimes tough critters
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In Reply to: Re: Say what , Mike?? posted by M Boyle on August 02, 2000 at 17:46:18:
The only REAL disability, is a disability of the MIND. You definitely don't have that, so in my eyes, you're way ahead of a whole lot of people!
Don't let the BS get you down, the whole world's gone mad anyway, just keep doin' what you're doin'! Cheers Bubba!
Unc
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In Reply to: So where's Brad's page (and who is Brad)? posted by Barry on August 02, 2000 at 18:50:39:
Barry, Mike didn't go off. I know, mistakes happen. Here's Brad...
where can i find a sm1000 in 22 cal at a great price and good customer service
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In Reply to: My QB-88 will be here soon - what do I do next? posted by Dan D on August 02, 2000 at 13:57:28:
A lovely evening....very humid though.
No piney squirrels were seen.
Two lovely fox squirrels were seen, but left for Stan's 9mm Career when it's the proper season.
The only woodchuck we saw was the remains of the one Stan shot last Sunday....bones picked clean.
One sparrow narrowly escaped the wrath of the QB-88. Too freakin' small and too far away.
TWO particularly nasty starlings were holed with RWS R-10 match pellets nicely.....stone dead at 20 yards.
Yes, even the lowly QB-88 is a decent starling gun at modest ranges. Spend time shooting it, get to know it on paper.....then head for the woods.
Jack
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In Reply to: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by RSO on August 02, 2000 at 09:49:40:
Read the following for a great take on this subject!
In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Mark Budai on August 02, 2000 at 10:38:21:
AMEN!!!! Good show Mark; right on the money! It would also help if our society required a person to be responsible for his/her actions!
"You ARE free to choose, but you ARE NOT free to choose the consequences of your action."
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I'm going to mount a red dot sigh on my umarex beretta. Which red dot sight is good for a tight budget? I plan to start with a crosman's one, which is probably the cheapest. Any comment on that? Thanks!!
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In Reply to: RWS 48 posted by matt sudol on August 02, 2000 at 10:17:23:
I had a 52 in .22(traded it) and have a .177 and .20 cal. This is the one to get for your need. The .20 stands alone at the 60 yard line on CPs almost like its another model. Get the .20(sound like Mike P.)but its the truth, it will only like CPs and Crow Mags but thats all you need.
Regards KB
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In Reply to: Re: assuming the MV is correct, using 14.3 Premiers= a wild guess posted by Mitch on August 02, 2000 at 07:14:59:
That's because there is something out of kilter in those chrony readings. RB
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In Reply to: Brads's page has 1-3 per month for sale posted by Willey M on August 02, 2000 at 18:42:05:
...and Mr. Boyle, would you please lighten up a little?
Anyway, would like URL for the mysterious Brad.
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In Reply to: BSA guns posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 15:56:30:
You may want to check out the BSA Owner's Club at http://www.home.beseen.com/hobbies/airgun/index.html. It's got links to retailers (lists others, but of those listed I think only Preceision Sales & Airguns of Arizona carry BSA's) and a chatroom from which, by seeing the sort of concerns folks have, you can tell what sort of glitches are associated with which models.
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In Reply to: M.Boyle - You are sorely.... posted by R.P. McMurphy on August 02, 2000 at 18:22:07:
R.P. (Mcmurphy?), Brad's page has TK's come up real regular. Don't know what Harry Placid's guns went for but I'd have gobbled em' up if I could. You don't really need to hang around a rose bush too long to know that roses smell good!
Mcmurphy? ROFL!...Willey Bill
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In Reply to: Best Pellet for Super Max posted by SS on August 02, 2000 at 10:38:49:
My B21 likes the Chinese match pellets and the Premier 10.5 grain dome pellets about equally. The Premiers will out shoot the Chinese for one 5 shot set and the Chinese will do better the next. That should give you a good place to start.-----PJ
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In Reply to: BSA guns posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 15:56:30:
Two of my favorite springers are the Supersport and Superstar. Woodchucks are generally not considered do-able with spring guns unless you start getting WAY up in power- such as the Kodiak. They are often tough enough to take solid hits from a .22 rimfire and run away. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Making of a better brush gun... posted by M Boyle on August 02, 2000 at 17:09:37:
lacking in current intelligence regarding ANYTHING relating to JM services other than spring kits & parts. The TK RAID is a thing of the past. As a matter of fact, I have in my possesion the last one he built/sold via regular channels. I'm a lucky guy. It's an awesome piece of work and is the most capable all-around airgun on earth IMHO.
Anyways, just wanted you to gets your facts straight before you go misleading folks with guns which are unavailable unless purchased used.
R.P. McMurphy
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom Gaylord on August 02, 2000 at 11:59:10:
I'm not sure I agree with the logic that crime will always go down if we can have concealed carry, but I'm not going to doubt it when the evidence starts rolling in. I think we should adopt a wait-and-see attitude. If crime drops uniformly in states with concealed carry--why not allow it more uniformly?
The only problems I have are 1) accidents like the lady in Memphis a few years back who dropped her purse and "shot" and killed the guy next to her in the theatre, and 2) hotheads like I used to be who might use it if they have it with them. And possibly the "arms race" factor--it would push people to have guns, guns would become more common, making it still easier for the baddies to get them, plus there would be an awful lot of money going into guns that might be better spent elsewhere--but that's just guessing.
I don't buy the arguments that countries with gun control have less violence because of just that. I think that America is more violent because of a number of reasons unrelated to gun ownership. First, we are a violent people. Second, we are an outspoken, self-sure people--that goes for everyone inluding the criminals; we take action, for better or worse. Third, we've got more ethnic blending and racial tension than most places--partly a carry-over from slavery I think and partly because of past (1900s on) liberal immigration policies that encouraged blending.
Anyway, that's another liberal pro-gun-with-some-reservations viewpoint to go along with Grisham's.
Oh another funny aside on his Nazi angle: I read an article in Lingua Franca few months ago about a sociology doctoral candidate in Florida who went undercover for his dissertation to research white supremacists in the Southeast. He observed at one point that most of those Nazi types barely knew which end of the gun went where, and that they didn't seem to be able to shoot their way out of a paper bag. Maybe we should allow guns for everyone, but marksmanship training only for good citizens?
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In Reply to: Re: Say what , Mike?? posted by M Boyle on August 02, 2000 at 17:46:18:
Mike,
Those cigna people were not checking up on you, they just stopped by for a friendly visit because they "CARE". I know this for a fact because they said so in their TV ad.
Matt
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In Reply to: squirrels and crows posted by Steven Taylors on August 02, 2000 at 17:28:49:
if the range was $150-$250 id say a BSA supersport and the R9 both should do well out to 30-45 yrds ..as its your land id add a hide\blinde so you can shoot the crows closer then with camo..add a tape of crow fighting owls to the mix too
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In Reply to: Re: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Bill on August 02, 2000 at 17:42:02:
I'm sure the ACLU will get right on it Bill. BTW, if you think that possible I've got a great Ozarks real estate deal for you. Tom
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In Reply to: squirrels and crows posted by Steven Taylors on August 02, 2000 at 17:28:49:
The BSA Supersport would be good 1000 fps in .177
www.precision-sales.com.
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In Reply to: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Randy from Va on August 02, 2000 at 11:49:20:
Don't tell me about capital punishment. Don't tell me about deterent to crime. Try this. If you have a gun in your hand and you commit a crime, you FRY! I don't have a problem with this in any way. I would be happy to be the one flipping the switch. Talk about zero tolerance! We have it with drugs? Why not guns which kill people straight out? Would we really need any more gun laws than this? I don't think so....
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In Reply to: squirrels and crows posted by Steven Taylors on August 02, 2000 at 17:28:49:
that would be the supersport
http://www.precision-sales.com/
In Reply to: squirrels and crows posted by Steven Taylors on August 02, 2000 at 17:28:49:
You could get a BSA Supersport. I don't own one
but I've heard good things about them. There
pretty powerful. And accurate. The web site is
http://www.precision-sales.com/
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In Reply to: Re: Making of a better brush gun... posted by M Boyle on August 02, 2000 at 17:09:37:
You won't regret It.
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Say what , Mike?? posted by Uncle Gary on August 02, 2000 at 15:31:55:
i think its preceptions. i dont think im that tuff ..god gave me this life and i need to live it the best i can. when you are on the inside lookin out you dont always see the full picture ..some people see me on crutches or in the wheelchair and think, OH My God that poor man ..some just see a guy..i had one 70 yr old woman pat me on the head. and say, Its so good to see people like you in in public. in my day they were ashamed of cripples like you.. :\ oy!! and then you have the HMO probs. they thought i was faking the probs ive had..3 cigna people showed at my home last month to see just how crippled i was. Grrr. funny thing, after that they asked the nurse who helps me every other day. if he needed more visits..preceptions, they preceived i wasnt what i was..disabled
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In Reply to: Preaching to the choir? posted by JS on August 02, 2000 at 13:06:36:
This is an airgun forum, hence gun forum, hence buddies talking. This stuff is going to come up and this is what buddies talk about. Please don't use "P to the C" or I'll be forced to unload with "Apples to Oranges" and "Been there done that, got the T-shirt" and "Think outside the box" and "yeah, and what's your point?" and I think you get the idea!...Willey M
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In Reply to: Re: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Wallace Berry on August 02, 2000 at 14:15:00:
Wonder what would happen if, just if, somebody had the guts to sue the city/state/feds for a law that effectively took away all practical self-defense that is very specifically guarenteed in the B of R! If the country as a whole knew of it, the repercussions mighty be enormous! Ah well, I can dream, can't I!?
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In Reply to: Falcon raptor take 40yrd yard cock pheasant????.... posted by GMackeddie on August 02, 2000 at 15:52:39:
What cal??
while a 177 would do the job with a well placed head shot.
A 22cal will be much more humane. with the same head shots.
What type of sights will you be useing.?
If over time you get a chance to try a good reddot let us know how it works.
Aloha John
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I was considering purchasing a chronoscope from them
any comments
Thanks
Tj
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In Reply to: by a computer. heh heh nt posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:16:35:
Russ i just wanted the math of how it was done. i know its not magic. if their is math for FPE, then there is math for BC. i did read things about BC math being based on 1lb 1 inch long or wide slug. i know that doesnt apply well to a diablo 14.2\3 gr pellets just wanted to know the info on the math is all
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I live in Southern California on a 5 acre lot. I have a serious problem with squirrels and crows eating our Pecans and tomatoes and all other crops. With the crows all I can do is clap my hands and the poison for squirrels isn't doing very well. I'm looking for a powerful pellet rifle that doesn't wiegh a lot. Price: $150-$200 or less. If anyone can name any rifles and where to get them I would be much obliged.
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In Reply to: ?fpe2? posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 14:46:56:
If your asking for the muzzle energy for the .22
it will be around 15.5 ME
Tj
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom @ Buzzard Bluff on August 02, 2000 at 15:33:50:
As the Good Book says, "Let those who have ears, hear!" Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Lazers posted by john on August 02, 2000 at 08:37:57:
Looking for a lazer for my beretta air pistol know of one half descent?
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In Reply to: Making of a better brush gun... posted by matt sudol on August 02, 2000 at 13:02:44:
Matt will you rechoke the barrel after the cut? id just buy a TK Raid in 22\25 get a short scope and forget about a chop job..or have Jms do the shorter barrel..or mybe tim at Mac1 does that too
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In Reply to: camo....... posted by Hans on August 02, 2000 at 13:09:09:
Hans, most of the game airgunner hunt have "Very" good eye sight.
Deers see in black and white, and its rare to hunt them closer then 50+ yards.
the website does give good info about braking up the sillutte.
bunnys see movement that doesnt belong in the wood very well, and crows have 50% of there Brain devoted to sight..
crows are smart compared to rabbit. of course..rabbit have a bad habbit of thinking, "If I dont move the hunter wont see me" Doh! ez target.
the 3D die cut camo, or desert tigerstripe, or the jungle tiger stripe. ive seen works well in both blending the colors, and braking the line of the body at short range.(granted the jungle one is too dark).you need to consider angle of attack too.
if you are sitting or prone at the edge of some woods and a crows in a tree at 50 yrds. its looking down at you, not straight across. youll need to look less like a bush or trees. and more like the ground cover. thats why Ghillies, work well.
Beeman sells a pretty good book about crow hunting by Tom holzel. its a pretty good starter book for new hunters, even with the typos.
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In Reply to: BSA guns posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 15:56:30:
I have experience with the Supersport and the Superten. Both appear well made, great value for the money, accurate, powerful. The Superten has had problems with its pellet clip, but the dealer has fixed it well. No experience with the others.
In Reply to: 16MM JM's Kit posted by Mac1 on August 02, 2000 at 16:03:39:
nt
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In Reply to: I'm no expert, but here's what I did. (long) posted by JS on August 02, 2000 at 14:24:55:
No Text (Except:DO NOT DRY FIRE IT :-)
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In Reply to: Re: Info?? posted by GMakceddie on August 02, 2000 at 15:29:27:
The airgun letter and US Airgun as well as pellethead and the airgun ads.
In Reply to: camo....... posted by Hans on August 02, 2000 at 13:09:09:
Hans, most of the game airgunner hunt hav "Very" good eye sight Deers see in black and white and ite rare to hunt them closer them 50+ yards. the website does give good info about braking up the silluet bunnys see movement that doesnt belong well and crows have 50% of there sight devoted to sight..crows are smart compared to crow of course..rabbit have a bad habbit of thinking, "If I dont move the hunter wont see me" Doh! ez target.
the 3D die cut camo or desert tigerstripe or jungle tiger stripe ive seen works well in both blending the colors and braking the line of the body at short range.(granted the jungle one is too dark).you need to consider angle of attack too, if you are sitting or prone at the edge of some woods and a crows in a tree at 50 yrds.and its looking down at you, not straight across youll need to look less like a bush or trees and more like the ground cover. thats why Ghillies work well. Beeman sells a pretty good book about crow hunting by Tom holzel. its a pretty good starter book for new hunters, even with the typos.
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In Reply to: got my 1322 yesterday.... posted by Gmackeddie on August 02, 2000 at 15:24:47:
I've pumped my Daisy 880 20 pumps. More than once.
It said in the manual not to pump it more than 10
times. HAHA! And it still works great.
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In Reply to: RWS Model 75 (seal problems??) posted by Allen on August 02, 2000 at 13:43:07:
allen,
I agree with Doug the reccomended fix is to send the gun to RWS in NJ(Not Airgun Express they don't do the '75 yet.) Go to the resources section get a phone number call them (you'll probably talk to Tim - if he is still there) and set it up.
Given the age and lack of activity I'm surprised that it shoots at all! Look down your barrel or run a patch through it - you'll probably bring out pieces of your seal. They just crumble. If that is the case - I would NOT continue to shoot it.
It can be resealed (you'll still have to call and order parts.) But it is the toughest Air Rifle that I have worked on. It it beautifully built, but just soooo complex. If you decide to do it you'll need some special tools and a lot of information before you start. If you "just do it" I can almost garentee that you will have to send it to Tim and it will cost a lot more.
RWS NJ does an excellent job and the rifle will return with the new seals and lubes and be good for the rest of your life.
It is such a neat rifle how could you leave it in the closet for 9 years? If you don't need the power or to cary it the '75 is my all time favorite air rifle.
If you do decide to do it yourself (Not reccomended) I do have some of the info that you'll need.
HTH
Jim P.
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In Reply to: Marksman again posted by Mike Lee on August 02, 2000 at 14:10:35:
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In Reply to: RWS 48 posted by matt sudol on August 02, 2000 at 10:17:23:
My Diana54 is in .22cal.
Very effective.
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In Reply to: OD barrel FWB 124d and tunes? posted by Hans on August 02, 2000 at 11:35:37:
The Maccari components for the 124 rule. I fit the kit for $90 including parts and labor. Nothing comes close for performance and smoothness.
That's why they call him the springman. Stock parts are only available from Beeman and that tune will be around $150. The Maccari kit gives at least another 50 fps and is a lot more pleasant to shoot.
Later
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: Coming to " Nawlins " posted by ben on August 01, 2000 at 19:17:38:
Ben, thanks for the informative post. I'll be staying at the Fairmont Hotel in downtown area. I assume this is close to the French Quarter, but don't know. I'll keep all the tips in mind as I make my way about town. Too bad there are no airgun shops, I honestly would rather pick up some supplies than drink myslef into a stooper. But, if I must, I guess beer, beads, and boobs are better than nothing! Later chieftd
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Hello! Again. Are these BSA guns good? Airsporter
RB2, Silverstar, Super Star Mk2, and the Super
Sport Mk2 Carbine? They would be in .22 cal. Are
they accurate open sights? Can all of them kill
woodchucks? Could you give me the prices on the
guns all in .22 cal.?
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... one of my dads colegues/friend has a pheasant release pen on our farm and come pheasant season(when does it start in britain???) im alowed to shoot them and make money selling them to my local game/butcher/food shop
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In Reply to: Re: got my 1322 yesterday.... posted by GMackeddie on August 02, 2000 at 15:48:41:
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In Reply to: Re: got my 1322 yesterday.... posted by matt sudol on August 02, 2000 at 15:39:18:
I dont meen its loose i mean it moves to one side after 10 -40 shops.My dad has cotacted the gun shop and are sending a new roll pin and one of an old style 1322
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In Reply to: got my 1322 yesterday.... posted by Gmackeddie on August 02, 2000 at 15:24:47:
I think I have some answers for you.
1} Nope 10 pumps is max if you go over you could blow the seal.
2) I am sure it should stay in there on it's own. I am looking at mine right now and it is in there fine.
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In Reply to: Range Finders posted by Quack on August 01, 2000 at 21:45:27:
Good post Quack! I should imagine though that UNDER fifteen yards a person could just bring a tape measure with him!;) Again, I enjoyed the post. ---- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom Gaylord on August 02, 2000 at 11:59:10:
Tom, perhaps you would find the ACLU easier to understand if you just considered them a PAC (Political Action Committee) for the ABA (American Bar Assoc.) for that is indeed their role no matter how many layers of camaflage may obscure the fact. In the end, everything can be traced to $ and the simple fact is that the more laws we have and the more obscure they are then the more lawyers will be enriched. Now really, what chance do you earnestly think we have of reducing crime when the entire judicial system as well as our lawmaking bodies are controlled by members of the bar? Think about it> Tom @ Buzzard Bluff
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In Reply to: RWS Model 75 (seal problems??) posted by Allen on August 02, 2000 at 13:43:07:
Call RWS in New Jersey, they will install new seals for about $70. I would mail it to them and get it done right.
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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In Reply to: Re: Unc, surely your old enough to recall the Civil War? posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 20:09:21:
Say, I believe you're just as crazy as I am, and that's saying somethin', ain't it? [GRIN!] Please see my answer to Willey above about "owl shit" versus "buzzard shit", it'll help clear all this up for you! Cheers!
Unc
(P.S.: you're right, I really DON'T know how wimp is spelled, but Willey's spelling "ain't for shit", as the saying goes,, so I just naturally figured he was wrong, you know? [GRIN!])
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In Reply to: Info?? posted by Bob Kelly on August 02, 2000 at 15:01:13:
Try airgunner and airgun world at js Ramsbottoms site
In Reply to: Unc, surely your old enough to recall the Civil War? posted by Willey M on August 01, 2000 at 18:10:11:
Since I was there, I can tell you firsthand that the fable about "bowled owl shit" just ain't true! Actually it was buzzard shit, and only after they ate chokecherries; the pits covered with shit when boiled made half-way decent musket balls (only .36 caliber unfortunately; chokecherry pits ain't that big you see!). Now you know the truth Willey, so be sure and tell eveybody! (And I know you will, Heh-Heh!) Cheers!
Unc
(P.S.: IT AIN't THE "CIVIL WAR", DAMMIT, IT'S THE "WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!".
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In Reply to: heRe's " a poor " better " example of a silencer " [url] posted by vZc® on August 02, 2000 at 15:06:13:
and here too for good pictures
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/Reflex.html
afternoon. I fiddled with it all night. ive got a couple of questions though.
1. in the manual it says never pump it more than 10 times is this true or is it to stop people in britin using at really hi powers???
2.The forearm is atatched to the gun at pivot point. the pivot point is a spring steel roll pin, is it normal for it to losen and come out if not tapped back in?????
for any other interested owners my pistol likes gamo match pellets and RWS superpoints
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In Reply to: calculating ft-lbs from fps pellet wt. posted by Dan D on August 02, 2000 at 15:07:12:
V(V)xW/450240
velocity x velocity then multiply by weight (in grains)
and then divide the sum by 450240=ft.lbs. Weight has to
be in grains.
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In Reply to: calculating ft-lbs from fps pellet wt. posted by Dan D on August 02, 2000 at 15:07:12:
Here are two of them.
http://m1.aol.com/vintairgun/fpcal.htm
http://www.airguns.net/calculators.html
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In Reply to: Re: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Randy from Va on August 02, 2000 at 12:52:58:
Good point Randy. If I can make cut and paste work on this 'Devil machine' I'm going to insert a copy of a reply to the esteemed Simon Jay
posted on a different forum yesterday.
At risk of pointing out the obvious, I'm afraid that
complacency is just what got us all in trouble. As you
have pointed out in the past, English gun interests willingly
accepted incremental assaults on gun ownership thinking
to forestall the removal of all their guns by submitting to
lesser incursions. I see the same creeping complacency
happening here. We've already accepted the ban on
'assault weapons' without enough resistance to be termed
even token. The NRA spends more money soliciting
more money than they do in court actually defending us.
They have become a major bureaucracy in their own
right. We long ago accepted 'registration in fact' by
allowing a law to be promulgated that forces us to fill
out a form when we buy a gun telling the government
who we are and where we live. If someone can make a
case that that isn't registration I would certainly like to
hear it. And we still elect liberals, a major part of whose
agenda continues to be the disarmament of the citizenry.
The 2nd Amendment has been infringed upon to such a
degree that it is little more than a sieve with which no
water can be bailed to save the sinking boat of gun rights
and the ship of state is determined to ram us. If I sound
bitter and discouraged, it is only because the light I see at
the end of the tunnel is that of an oncoming train. No Cheer,
Tom
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In Reply to: Re: Actually... posted by Cornel on August 02, 2000 at 09:47:47:
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In Reply to: I'm no expert, but here's what I did. (long) posted by JS on August 02, 2000 at 14:24:55:
Hey, I said NT.
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I remember seeing a website that had a calculator built in. You input the pellet weight in grains, and the velocity in fps, and it would tell you how many ft-lbs that is.
Can someone point me to that page again? If not, could you tell me the equation so I could calculat it myself? Thanks,
Dan
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In Reply to: This is a poor example of a silencer posted by Slug on August 02, 2000 at 13:54:14:
reflex suppressor type
I'm looking for magazine(s) to subscribe to that are
dedicated to our sport. Thanks for the input.
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In Reply to: It is advertised as 750 FPS (305 M/S)... (nt) posted by Marco on August 02, 2000 at 14:51:28:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Wallace Berry on August 02, 2000 at 14:15:00:
The truth can never be construed as ranting!!
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In Reply to: ?fpe2? posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 14:46:56:
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What is the fpe on a Gamo Hunter 440 in .22 cal.?
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I would like to get the most accruacy from my H9. You guy's that shoot em, what pellets seem to shoot the best. It's a .177 cal.
Are there any good sights that work with the pistol? There must be somethin better than the stock sights.
Thanks
Gary
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In Reply to: My QB-88 will be here soon - what do I do next? posted by Dan D on August 02, 2000 at 13:57:28:
First
DO NOT DRY FIRE IT.
Then go to the URL I list below and READ READ READ!
DO NOT DRY FIRE IT.
Look at the manual....don't be frustrated, it isn't very readable. The literal translation from Chinese is fun to laugh at though.
DO NOT DRY FIRE IT.
Check the gun for obvious defects.
Check the stock screws for tightness....they'll loosen at first. Keep them snug.
DO NOT DRY FIRE IT.
I didn't clean mine...just wiped it down. The bore shot well from the box so I left it alone. Some like to run patches through first though.
DO NOT DRY FIRE IT.
Prepare a safe backstop and get your pellets ready.
When you are ready to fire a pellet: Cock the gun.
DO NOT DRY FIRE IT.
Now look inside the open chamber and make sure the anti-beartrap catch is sticking up to catch the piston tube in case of an accident. I always look at this when loading to make certain...I like my fingers.
DO NOT DRY FIRE IT.
Load a pellet.
With your right hand on the cocking lever, push the red release button under the forearm with your left hand...this will lower the anti-beartrap catch.
Watch how all of this works so you'll know when it's functioning right or not.
Move the cocking arm forward to close the breech.
The manual says the safety automatically engages...but mine never has. I never rely on manual safeties anyway....I just make certain I am the "safety".
Raise the gun, aim and pull the trigger.
It takes 100 shots or so to calm the dieseling down. So it'll be loud at first. After a couple hundred shots, things begin to settle in. After 500 or so, the trigger will get really nice.
There are ways to speed this up...but just shooting it will do the same thing.
Resist the urge to oil everything...especially the chamber.
Mine has just under 10,000 shots now. I keep the linkage oiled, but have yet to lube the chamber. So far, it's not been needed. These things come fairly soaked inside.
You'll probably have a leather seal..no matter what the vendor said. With the breech open, look into the opening, shine a light into the small air hole in the breech face....if you see a metal screw and washer, it's probably a leather seal...if you see sort of yellowish material it;s a synthetic seal. You can buy replacements, but the leather will give good service with proper care and no over-oiling.
I'm on my way in a couple hours to shoot my QB-88 out in the country. See what it can do against the starling population today! :-)
Mine loves RWS Meisters and R10 pellets in 8.3 grains.
I got mine from SouthSummit also....and have been elated with it. Just wish we could get them in .22 also.
hth, Jack
btw- did I mention DO NOT DRY FIRE IT :-)
There was a post sometime back with a movie shooting a starling...anybody has the URL?
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In Reply to: My QB-88 will be here soon - what do I do next? posted by Dan D on August 02, 2000 at 13:57:28:
I got a QB-88 a couple of months ago, so I'll fill you in on my experiences. First, as with all springers, do not dry fire (without a pellet)!
My QB-88 had lots of oil in the chamber, and as a result, expect lots of oil smoke for a couple hundred rounds (read as shoot with good ventilation).
The trigger was kind of hard and unpredictable. I put just a touch of moly on the sear and it helped a lot. You may also consider building a spring compressor, and taking out the mainspring to clean and grease it.
Keep the outside of the compression cylinder well lubed and just wear the gun in by shooting a lot. It smooths out nicely with use. For safety, make sure that all the anti-beartrap mechanisms are working properly.
Mine is still in the breakin stage, and I haven' really decided which pellets it likes best.
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In Reply to: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Randy from Va on August 02, 2000 at 11:49:20:
Death City is right. My wife's first cousing, David Butler, was murdered in Arlington (close enough to DC) just a couple of weeks ago. Apparently, he was beaten to death by muggers as he was walking from a metro stop to his apartment. People heard the commotion and called the cops but David was dead well before they arrived. Of course, no guns, or even pepper spray for that matter are allowed in DC. No effective self defense is allowed. I don't know about the laws in Arlington, but I would be surprised if they were much different from DC. Fat lot of good calling the cops did for my wife's cousin. Sorry for the non-airgun rant
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In Reply to: Re: can anyone help me please!!! posted by G. Jang on August 01, 2000 at 05:32:13:
Well then I stand corrected, thanks for your insight. Your point is well taken though, practice, practice!
-MArk
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I am still trying to repair that piece of crap marksman 1010. I went ahead and bought another gun, but I thought I should go ahead and try to fix the gun anyway. Marksman sent me the assembly instructions. The problem is, even though I put everything together exactly as the instructions tell me too, it still won't work. When I pull back the slide to cock the gun, the inner cylinder keeps popping out. Does anybody know how to repair that problem?
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So my very first air rifle (ever) is due to arrive tomorrow. It's a QB-88 from South Summit. I haven't shot an airgun in 15 years, and that was just my neighbor's cheap Daisy pump BB gun... I'm so excited! :)
So what do I do when it arrives? Open the box, read the manual, and then just start shooting? Do I need to clean anything first? If so, what and how? I know they come well lubed, so I won't need to do that for a good long time, right?
I've spent the last week and a half thinking about what targets to shoot at. I'll make one of the good doctor's pellet traps tonight, so I'm quite well set in that respect. I bought a Marksman self-resetting magnetic pellet trap too. I'll set that up on a sawhorse in the backyard, along with some soda or tin cans.
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In Reply to: " How in the world can a [ moderator] work? + What causes a sonic boom? " [urls] posted by Baffled on August 01, 2000 at 21:44:54:
- This isn't the first time this example has been posted.
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- Most commercial units look pretty similar; they use a few simple stamped one-piece recurve baffles welded inside the front end of the tube. This thing is a nightmare; too many parts, too many parts not shaped properly, and likely much heavier than it has to be. It's nearly as dumb as that guy stuffing cardboard into his muzzle weight. It would work (as most anything will, to some extent) but there are others that weigh less, work better and are easier to make. If you search for suppressor manufacturers, a few have cutaway-photos on their sites. Those companies actually SELL their products. - Slug
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In Reply to: Colt Gold Cup url posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 12:35:05:
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I won a model 75 about 17 years ago and have just now taken up shooting it again.... It hasn't been shot seriously for probably 9 years or so..... It doesn't seem to have nearly the velocity or accuracy that it use to have and some shot are a lot worse than others.... How hard is it to go through this gun and replace the seals and service it.... or would it be better for a professional to take a look at it.... I am pretty handy with other guns but have NEVER tried anything like this in an air rifle...
any suggestion are appreciated...
thank you
allen from K.C.
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In Reply to: Re: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by Mitch on August 02, 2000 at 07:29:10:
And I'm sure that has deterred some hijackings...
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In Reply to: Re: Gamo trigger posted by Cornel on August 02, 2000 at 10:55:32:
HI,
I thought that the design of the safety on a Gamo trigger required a long travel for it to
work. I note that several Chinese copies that are similar to Gamo us the same sdafety.
The safety has to have enough room in front of
the trigger for the safety to be settable and prevent the trigger from operating. I do not think you could get a shorter travel without changing the safety.
Thus the basic design of the trigger and no amount of spit and polish (as with a typical trigger tune) will change this.
However, it is not a "turd" as another more prejudiced poster wrote. The trigger can be used quite reasonably if you take up all the stage travel before what can actually be a light trigger.
Tom
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In Reply to: Anybody Have The Springmans URL? posted by Mike Vasquez on August 02, 2000 at 13:20:46:
here ya go..
In Reply to: Re: Chimpmonks? sorry chipmonks posted by James L on August 02, 2000 at 12:27:34:
James,
since you are correcting the spelling....
chipmunks, not chipmonks.
squirrel, not squirril
stripes, not strips
veggie's, not vegie's
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In Reply to: Re: Blame the media!! But keep the facts straight... posted by Doug Owen on August 02, 2000 at 09:35:22:
nt
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The weblinks address is wrong and puts you on the message board only. Thanks Guys, MV
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom Gaylord on August 02, 2000 at 11:59:10:
Very well put! Ditto!
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom Gaylord on August 02, 2000 at 11:59:10:
I remeber a professor that my wife had. What an arrogant
putz. I helped her with a report on personal safety and
the direct relationship to the control there of.
A town in Washington state(it was some time ago) enacted
a must-carry law. And guess what happened, crime dropped
not 10% not 30% not even 70%. I believe the figure was
on the order of mid to high 80's.. Go figure. Thank you
for sharing the truth.
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http://www.whitetail.com/camo1.html ,
enjoy!
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In Reply to: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Randy from Va on August 02, 2000 at 11:49:20:
Crime happens....guns or no guns.
And in DC, what is the shock here? Even in Cowtown, Ohio we have violence....it's American society in the year 2000. What is the surprise?
The national news the other day gave the statistics on states which adopted Brady type laws for gun buying not having any less gun crimes than before.....no new news here.
But what I'm reading is pretty much the choir here reading all this preaching and saying, "amen brother, lawd have mercy, testify brother....".
Sort of moot....we pretty much all agree there is crime and there are people who blame it on guns.
I could go on and on about society in general wanting to always make someone else the responsible party, about the glaring lack of decent childrearing these days, etc etc....but I won't. The choir already knows the words.
And all the people said; "amen"
Jack
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by MikeZ on August 02, 2000 at 10:52:14:
Some interesting opinions. But if saving lives was the issue then why the hell are you driving a car? Cars kill a lot more poeple than guns per year. And the ability to drive a car is a privilage in any state that I am familiar with. Something the government is free to regulate to death.
I have to agree with Tom. In areas where the right to own and use firearms freely is supressed ; the crime rate is dramaticly higher. Aks the folks in Austrlia how a ban has made them safer. The answer is not additional regulation. Enforcement of existing laws would prevent many crimes. Education would prevent many accidents.
Common sense mandates you replace ignorance with education. That the existing laws are enforced. That criminals are punished. That kind of common sense appeals to me.
Just another guys opinion. Fortunatly we can still do that.
Al
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Have you ever seen an article about a better brush gun for deer. I did and this is how they went about doing it. They took a bush and put it infront of a target and fired bullets at it the best brush gun they found was in the higher 30 calibers which didn't deflect off the limbs as much as the lower 30's and high 20's. For airguns I have come up with something also. I own an rws 45 with a real long barrel the factory barrel with a muzzle break on it and a scope. I am going to cut the barrel down to 13" then putting the muzzle break on and a either holosight or tasco red dot sight on. I have come to this conclusion because where I hunt for rabbits I am constantaly wacking the end of the gun on trees when I am swinging on a rabbit that is running through the brush. The result would be a few pounds lighter from lack of a big scope and 6" of barrel. The gun may be harder to cock and the groups might open up but I take close shots on fleeing rabbits anyway.
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In Reply to: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by RSO on August 02, 2000 at 09:49:40:
here in sweden the latest weapons law states that you can´t even hawe a knife in your car while in a public place (inside city limits!) now that is a seriusly skary law! now, if knifes are that restrickted just imagine the gun laws....
BTW, i will be posting as "Erik" from now on! i hope nameshifting is ok if i tell yall abaut it!=)
happy shooting!/Erik
please forgiwe my spelling!=)
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In Reply to: Re: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by DaveG on August 02, 2000 at 11:56:11:
A Federal Police officer at that! My daddy raised me right!
A REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Randy
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In Reply to: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 07:02:38:
the body has built in weak spots and stengths. i studied karate (yaa even though im disabled) for 4+ yrs if you know where to hit a 300lbs man a 100 lbs woman can disable them in quick order btw bigger the guy weaker the knees they snap like toothpicks if hit to the side. most of these kid deaths are supervised kids mom & dad pay attinition to yer kids
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In Reply to: Re: fNJ has airguns firearms. NT posted by ron on August 02, 2000 at 12:17:57:
This British airgun site http://www.airguns.f9.co.uk/ (down until Thursday)
had an article about Brit pols trying to increase regulations on airguns to do to them what was done to firearms- BAN THEM.
So join the NRA or send some money to the NRA for the fall elections- BUSH needs to beat GORE or we are dead!
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In Reply to: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Randy from Va on August 02, 2000 at 11:49:20:
You know that it blows my mind that people
are still surprised by these headlines. They (our
politicians) have made/designed thousands
of laws protecting us foolish, ignorant citizens,
because we are not capable of rational thought.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I don't know about you, but after
decades of making laws that affect the law abiding
citizen 99% of the time and do little in the area
of constuctive/longterm stays for the criminals.
I know I've gotten the hint, how about you AMERICA?
If some bunny-hugging extreamist could possibly
clarify how resricting LEGAL OWNERSHIP AND USE
affects how a criminal thinks or acts, PLEASE
EXPLAIN!!!!! Because so far I'm not see the
connection and it hasn't stopped anyone yet...
Constructive critisism welcome!! America open your
eyes please!!!
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In Reply to: Colt Gold Cup posted by Curt B on August 02, 2000 at 10:02:06:
http://daisy.ifware.com/cgi-bin/daisy2/products_coltco2_goldcup.html
In Reply to: ?FPE? posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 06:39:53:
at the muzzle no but 5 or so at target should do the trick ..the gun should do 12+FPE at Muzzle
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In Reply to: The Talon is probably the MOST efficient PCP made posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 15:07:51:
I am just stating my experience. that's all.
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In Reply to: golden toller CO2s posted by LarryH on August 02, 2000 at 01:31:12:
Did that include shipping? Thanks I will check it out
James L
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In Reply to: Re: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by M Boyle on August 02, 2000 at 12:26:12:
Yeah BUT...If you outlaw them in the other states they 'll be getting them from china's black market. Then the money will be leaving the country too.
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In Reply to: Colt Gold Cup posted by Curt B on August 02, 2000 at 10:02:06:
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In Reply to: Chimpmonks? NT posted by ??? on August 01, 2000 at 17:52:12:
Sorry misspelling chipmonks = small squirril like rodents brown with yellow strips on back. Real cute except when they are in your garden eating the vegie's.
James L
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In Reply to: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Randy from Va on August 02, 2000 at 11:49:20:
ez they steal them from the others states ..
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom Gaylord on August 02, 2000 at 11:59:10:
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In Reply to: Range Finders posted by Quack on August 01, 2000 at 21:45:27:
Paul:
I have a Bushnell 600 laser rangefinder. It's most useful for still hunting, i.e., in a stand or blind where you can find distances before you do any shooting. I use it for bowhunting too, but if you have one, you'll find all kinds of uses for it. Really helps if you sight in somewhere other than a formal range, as you can use it to set target distances without a tape. Also helps settle disagreements about how far away stuff is, i.e., your brothers 100 yard head shot turns out to really be 40 yards, etc. Mine doesn't work under about 15 yards, so if thats important to you, keep it in mind when you shop.
Sloop
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In Reply to: Aeron Guns posted by Jody Fite on August 01, 2000 at 18:57:32:
I think that it would be a good idea for some dealer to offer the B-96 for free, with a contract that stipulates that the purchaser buy all their pellets from that dealer. The B-96 will encourage you to shoot a lot of lead very quickly. The B-96 I have now is both accurate and reasonably dependable. Sometimes does not feed a pellet when first charged, but it is not a big problem, and is occurring less frequently with the shooting of the pistol. I own some other 10m pistols, and the B-96 is inherently as accurate as any, as far as I can determine. If you were to compete in 10m pistol competition, live and in person, as opposed to postal competition, you would have to use the single shot magazine that comes with the pistol. This is a pain in the ......, but sure could be done. I have no experience with the Styer, or FWB five shot pistols, but I suspect that the problems, when and if they do occurr, are very similar, and related to the magazine feed, and the critical timing, and adjustment required to coordinate the power with the machinery required to work the magazine feed mechanism.
I do hope these rambelings are of some use to you.
Respectfully,
Bubba
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In Reply to: fNJ has airguns firearms. NT posted by matt sudol on August 02, 2000 at 09:58:33:
I once lived in NJ. I needed to get finger printed and wait a couple weeks to get a police permit before I could purchase an air riflr. Needed a full blown pistol permit to buy an air pistol!
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In Reply to: Re: How good are Smith Wesson C02 Revolvers? posted by Derrin on August 02, 2000 at 09:21:39:
n/t
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Tom Gaylord on August 02, 2000 at 11:59:10:
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In Reply to: Re: Need help buying first airgun. posted by DaveG on August 02, 2000 at 10:40:53:
The old SouthSummit catalog had QB-88's listed in both .177 and .22 (not now though), but I've only seen .177 elsewhere. Mine is .177
Too bad....the QB-88 would be cool in .22 caliber also. It's a nice inexpensive gun, accurate and easy to shoot. I'd love another one in a larger bore size.
Looks like the closest to it would be the B7 or the older version B-41. But they are basically wood stocked XS-B3's, where the 88 is a slightly different bunch of components. And The 88 has a different trigger that smooths out nicely in spite of it's odd geometry.
I'm planning on getting a B7 for an inexpensive .22 springer....if FunSupply ever gets back to taking orders. :-)
Other options in inexpensive .22 shooters are the QB-78 ($69+)and Crosman 2250 ($56+) or 2260 ($94+). But these are all CO2 guns.
Other inexpensive Chinese .22's worth looking at would be the B18/19 (break barrel $79+) or B-4-2 (TF38 $34+) (underlever), and XS-B3 (sidelever folding stock $59+).
Jack
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In Reply to: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by RSO on August 02, 2000 at 09:49:40:
I'll join this conversation. Here is a question I've had all my adult life: If the American Civil Liberty Union defends the rights of the people, why do they NOT defend the Second Ammendment? The answer is - they are not defending any rights unless they agree with them. A "liberal" camp, without a doubt, but it caused me no end of confusion when I was in college. Author John Grisham, a talented writer and admitted liberal, explained it to me in his novels.
I used to take the view that power was beyond the reach of the common man; that the NRA was a bunch of fuddy duddys out of step with the times. Then I met some Nazis - real believing Heil Hitler German Nazis (Germany, 1976). They taught me that gun control is the first step to population control. But my learning wasn't over, because the lesson hadn't sunk in yet.
What REALLY sent the message home was when liberal state of old Virginia passed a "Right to Carry" law and violent crime dropped immediately. Same in Florida. But here in Maryland "The Free State," with Governor Glendenning in office, there is not only no carry right, they are doing everything possible to disarm the public. And Maryland, a state that borders Virginia, has a horrible crime record. Not just in Baltimore, where you might expect it, but in Columbia - a "planned" community and the showplace of the entire state. Drugs, sexual violence, and capitol crimes are way higher here than in Virginia, which is less than 30 miles away.
Now, I'm old enough to be a fuddy duddy in my own right, and that's the position I have taken - the very one I used to laugh at. I look at the recent increase in violent crime in England, and I see it was directly caused by disarming the poulation and making self-defense a crime. That was the clincher for me!
So, I'll be numbered with Moses from now on. Airguns, firearms - they are all the same. And, to own and hold them is my RIGHT!
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.com
In Reply to: Another 6 shot/4 dead and guns are illegal in the city??? posted by Randy from Va on August 02, 2000 at 11:49:20:
Randy, it does me good to know that you are a federal employee, and yet you can still see the truth... Outlawing guns, will never solve the problems we face in our society... they are only one small symptom of the true problems... And if we really want to change the way society is traveling, we need to start looking at the REAL issues instaed of the smoke screen (ie gun control) that politicians are constantly throwing in front of us...
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Colt Gold Cup posted by Curt B on August 02, 2000 at 10:02:06:
I just finished a brief test of the Colt Gold Cup in blue finish for a magazine article. Manufactured to the exact size and weight of the Colt Government 1911A .45 caliber pistol, it pumps out 8 shots as quickly as you can pull the trigger. The Gold Cup features both single and double action, a three-chambered compensator, checkered full house combat grip, competition trigger, and grip safety with beaver tail.
I haven't chronoed the Gold Cup, but velocities appear to be similar to the Daisy 747 Match pistol I have.
With the optional adjustable sight kit and careful pellet selection (Beeman H&N match) I was able to put 7 of 8 shots in the black at 10 meters without a great deal of practice.
I'll be testing it soon with a Bushnell Hologsight. HTH
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Now how can that be???
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, guns are against the law in DC,(death city),
but yet they seem to killing just the same!
Could it be that the law abiding individual has none,
and the criminal has all????
Randy
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In Reply to: Crosman # 400 magazines posted by Steve Kuhn on August 02, 2000 at 01:19:21:
Try David Rabenius at (480) 966-0111. His repro magazines are the best on the market. HTH
Matt
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In Reply to: Re: Gamo trigger posted by Cornel on August 02, 2000 at 10:55:32:
Larry,Cornel,
And before you go too far with that adjustment screw you might want to read my experience with the Qb-88 (Same trigger.)URL below.
Jim P.
Whatis the outer diameter in mm of barrel of the FWB 124d and which tunes are likely to let the rifle perform better?
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In Reply to: Best Pellet for Super Max posted by SS on August 02, 2000 at 10:38:49:
Below is copy/paste of an earlier post.
The chinese 7.6 work VERY well in these guns.
The only way to know if there is a better one for your PARTICULAR gun is to shoot each and every pellet to see if it outperforms the Chinese.
The Chinese is the best starting point and so good in most of the guns probably not worth the time and money trying to find soemthing that outperforms them.
They have also been found to outperform RWS and H&N in other guns. This of course will vary from gun to gun, the point being they are very consistent pellets and capable of world class accuracy if your gun likes them.
CP's do not work well in any of the Chinese springers I have tried them in.
Posted by Dr.J. on August 01, 2000 at 22:19:20:
In Reply to: Pellets for SM 1000 posted by MP B21
I just took out my SM-1000 with only 50 pellets through it and fired a group at 10 m from an informal rest. I used Chinese 500 mg match pellets (blue label)from Compasseco and 5 shots went in two holes, 0.35 in apart. Three went through the same exact hole. Given that I used the stock open sights and have aging eyes, I think these pellets have potential in the SM. Dr.J.
In Reply to: Re: Need help buying first airgun. posted by DaveG on August 02, 2000 at 10:40:53:
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In Reply to: RWS 48 posted by matt sudol on August 02, 2000 at 10:17:23:
Matt;
I feel like this gun's main purpose is for hunting. I have a RWS52 which is the same gun with a different stock. Slightly on the heavy side it gives me super accurate shot placement at 40 yards. My gun is in .22cal and the squirrel's don't stand a chance with it! Can't say for sure what it would do to a 6lb. Hare; but I would guess they would not have a chance either. I have only taken squirrel's at 40yds. but I am pretty sure that the guns effective range is farther, probably close to 70 yds. Stay with it in .22cal for hunting. HTH
William
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by MikeZ on August 02, 2000 at 10:52:14:
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by Mark Budai on August 02, 2000 at 10:38:21:
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In Reply to: Moly and bullets, pellets url posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 16:46:27:
James,
This is one of the best sites on moly coating I've seen, although firearm shooters will probably benefit more from it than airgun shooters. You're right though - best to turn off graphics before visiting, or prepare to wait all day for it to load in your browser! Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: benjamin sher vs. sm1000 for $150 posted by dton on August 02, 2000 at 08:40:31:
I have both -- and the Benjamin in .177 and .22, as well as the Sheridan in .20. I have the honor of having been quoted by J.Kitching on his web page as liking the SM. Which I do. However, under the limitations that you set forth, I'd get the Benjamin. The SM is a springer in every sense of the word and with all of the demands for good technique that a springer makes on the shooter. As a pneumatic, the Benjamin allows you to concentrate on the shot without worrying about the rifle.
Even without a steroid job, the Benjamin gives good service and is highly accurate. Chances are that you won't get many second shots with the SM, either. And pumping iron puts hair on your chest!
BTW, on the auction pages you can pick up a NIB Benjamin for under $100.
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In Reply to: Gamo trigger posted by Larry on August 02, 2000 at 10:24:04:
There is a tune, Russ Best posted a couple of months ago for the Gamo trigger. In fact is a Rapid Trigger and you may see its internals at http://www.theoben.co.uk/r7_trigger.html
The long first stage of the factory trigger is because the fat trigger pull pin(item 15l) is too far from the strut(item 15e). Enlarge the fat trigger pull pin diameter by about 1.5-2mm by adding a steel cilinder that should act as a roller on the mentioned pin. It is very important that the roller is fit but not tight on the fat pin.
For the second stage adjustment use a screw about 3mm longer than the original.
Best wishes,
Cornel
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In Reply to: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by RSO on August 02, 2000 at 09:49:40:
No guns mean making it harder for criminals and kids to get hold of them. This is the same as we take all the precautions when shooting to lessen the probability of accidents. If I’m not a airgun enthusiast, I would be all for gun control. Hell I bet if all the guns were to disappear off the face of the USA, homicide would decide simply because it would be harder to kill a person. I believe this is why people want gun control – just to save a few lives. All the crap reason like “the governement wants to supress us” is all crap! We no longer live in the wild wild west, its not gun power, but political and financial power today.
I’m hate to say this but from the posts I read over and over, some airgunners do lack common sense. People on come here and ask if it’s a good idea to take airguns along while traveling. My answer is if you are so addicted to airguns, why don’t you just stay home and play with them until you are sick of them and then go travel. Why would anyone want to explain to an police officer that its only a BB gun?
Censorship? Get another ISP! Got in trouble with a moderated gun? Contact your expensive lawyer!
I don’t see a debate, just lack of common sense!
MikeZ
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In Reply to: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 07:02:38:
ban cars! And climbing! And fire! And alcohol and swimming and boating and flying and -- well, you get the picture. ;^)
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In Reply to: Best Pellet for Super Max posted by SS on August 02, 2000 at 10:38:49:
SS, actually you will want to try them all. You will find one or two that work better out of your particular gun, than any others... try tham all, and find the ones that will give you the most consistant results.
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Headless Turkeys... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 18:55:21:
Doesn't even take a Career Marty! Any accurate .22 airgun shooting around 600 fps or so (springer, CO2, pnuematic, take your choice!) will drop a turkey dead in their tracks out to 30 yds or so. Nice, quiet, and very efficient! Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Need help buying first airgun. posted by zippy on August 02, 2000 at 10:35:42:
Side cocking, $100, well, there is only a couple that even come close to filling your wants...
One would be the Chinese QB-88, for a bit more than half of what you quote, or the bigger more powerful SM1000(B-22) for a bit more than you quote... Now that I think about it, I'm not sure the QB-88 is available in .22...
Regards,
DaveG
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ok ok ok, which pellets would be best for the Super Max: Gamo, Daisy, Copperhead, or RWS? I can't find the crow-magnums here. Which kind of the best should I use? thanks.
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In Reply to: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by RSO on August 02, 2000 at 09:49:40:
I certainly agree that gun control won't end violent crime. And I also agree that ending the teaching of sex education and evolution won't stop kids from having sex (or killing each other). I would just like to point out that evolution has not been censored in our schools for a long time. And school board actions in recent news were not attempting to censor evolution, but to correctly label it as a theory. In fact, it is the creation "theory" that is being censored in schools. And
Oh! And tolerance is great, but what are we tolerating? The destruction of young peoples' lives? The downfall of our society? I believe there is a point at which we must draw the line.
When a person (especially an impressionable youth) is immersed in or continually bombarded by some type of language, philosophy, or activity, it is *generally* only a matter of time until that language, philosophy, or activity becomes part of the person's life. So no, sex education does not automatically mean that a teenager will go out and have sex, but if you teach them how, say that nothing is wrong with it, and give them "protection," then give them "music" and movies and TV filled with sex (and violence), I'd say you have a much higher likelihood of kids getting out and doing some of the stuff they're being taught.
Make no mistake - I believe that individuals have the right to make certain choices on their own, even if the decision is bad for them. However, I also believe we have a RESPONSIBILITY to take care of our children. And instead of doing that, we are basically teaching them how to do things that will cause them physical and emotional harm!
I guess I've gone on long enough, so let me wrap up by saying that I believe God is real and is not just 'a few self-ordained "leaders."'
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I apologize for going on so long about something unrelated to airguns. But this IS an important topic, and I earnestly believe that we are making some BIG mistakes in this country.
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In Reply to: Gamo trigger posted by Larry on August 02, 2000 at 10:24:04:
Larry, you ever hear the expression "you can't polish a turd"?... Gamo's are what they are... basic entry level airguns without much promise of being anything else... Their basic trigger design does not lend itself to much improvement... Now, if you think you can make one feel like a rekord unit, or even as satisfactory as the parent companies other offerings, ie BSA triggers, well have at it, and let us know how you pulled it off...
Happy Polishing
DaveG
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Can anyone ggive me some pointers on buying my first air rifle. I want it to be a side cocking one in 22 cal. I only have about $100 to spend so I know this will be very limited. I want to use it for target practice so I can't build up my shooting skills. I will also use it to shoot an ocasional varmint. I new at this so any advice would be great.
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Everyone that complains about a Gamo seems to pick on the trigger as the main problem with the gun. So why can't this trigger be improved with a little fluff and buff like is commonly done to the triggers of other firearms. I'm far from a gunsmith but I have sucessfully polished and honed the triggers of dozens of guns I've owned. And in so doing improved their shoot-ability. It's not exactly rocket science.
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What would say the best caliber for this gun would be. I would mainly use it for hunting hares at the biggest animal maybe 6 pound ones at a range of 40 yards max. Any tips on how this gun is for hunting?
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In Reply to: Re: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by aare on August 02, 2000 at 10:05:25:
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In Reply to: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by RSO on August 02, 2000 at 09:49:40:
>"Thoughts? How about a little more tolerance, a little less soap box rhetoric, a little less revolution, a little more understanding."
Or, how about we just put a bounty on democraps...
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I'm considering buying a nickle finish gold cup
mainly to use for practice when I can't get to
the range to shoot my powder-burners.
Does anyone have any experience/impressions
concerning this gun? TIA
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In Reply to: Re: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by John Congleton on August 02, 2000 at 09:07:26:
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In Reply to: Re: assuming the MV is correct, using 14.3 Premiers= a wild guess posted by Mitch on August 02, 2000 at 07:14:59:
Once again, Mitch is 'right on'. BCs in that range put you right in with rounds like the .308 150 grain round nose from Sierra. While this isn't the hottest round out there, I'm sure we'd all gladly trade whatever we're shooting for performance like that.
Doug Owen
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Good day all,
I have been lurking for awhile and thought I'd contribute to the debate.
There has been a lot of debate here lately on gun contol, political correctness, violations of privacy, police state search engines, ISP censorship and even paranoia surrounding the professional careers of some of our fellow air gunners.
It would seem that the "liberal" argument about removing guns from schools, speech, sporting good stores, the olympics and other areas, ad nauseum would be a parallel argument to the following:
The "conservative" argument that if we don't teach sex education in schools, then our kids won't have sex early in life and we wouldn't have a need for abortion rights. And furthermore, if we don't teach an evolutionary or scientific approach to the history of mankind, then people wouldn't beieve themselves to be connect to animals and thus animal instincts of procreation, further excusing the desire to have premarital sex and question the word and will of God (read: will of a few self ordained "leaders" who know better about how everyone should live their lives).
Isn't there some incongruity on the arguments made here by seemingly different ideologies.
The point of the post is to illustrate two classic arguments of two dissimilar ideological groups which use the same rationale to further their ideology.
1. Enlightened gun control opponents (arguably conservatives) who oppose an oppression by a government that cannot be overcome if they lack arms to defend rights and incite revolution should the government become too oppressive and not serve the interest of the people.
2. Liberal education advocates who arguably oppose censorship in education regarding evolution and sex education and defend the individuals' rights to learn, form their own opinions and act in their own private interests without involvement of third parties.
Thoughts? How about a little more tolerance, a little less soap box rhetoric, a little less revolution, a little more understanding.
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In Reply to: To Marco posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 06:52:51:
there is a trigger job, Russ Best posted a couple of months ago for the Gamo trigger. In fact is a Rapid Trigger and you may see its internals at http://www.theoben.co.uk/r7_trigger.html
If you are interested feel free to e-mail me or ask RBest. I did it for mine and works great.
Best wishes,
Cornel
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In Reply to: Any research on conventional pellet lubes vs leading of barrel? posted by James Kitching on August 02, 2000 at 09:38:23:
James, I don't know how sientific of research you are looking for... But, a while back LouVK made an extensive post in regards to this topic. The bottom line was that Slick 50 1lube made a significant difference in the amount of leading in a barrel. He stated that even if there was leading, that it remained soft, and easily removed in a lubed barrel (one used with lubed pellets) as compared to one where no lube was being used... The post impacted me enough to go oiut and buy some lube, and I've been lubing my pellets ever since.
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Re: Range Finders posted by G. Jang on August 02, 2000 at 06:58:52:
Galen, you don't post frequently but your posts are always WORTH waiting for! Another great post!!! ---- Mr.P
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Excluding the moly treatments.
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In Reply to: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:32:02:
I work for a midwestern internet provider. We were recently purchased by a much larger national isp. The book of company regulations stated, no weapons on company property. This includes the parking lot. Since 1995, when I started here, there have been five employees assaulted or robbed in the parking lot. Three were women.
Here's what I did. I approached the new manager and told him that since this area was frequented by human predators and the parking lot was not secure, I feared for my safety when coming and going. I then explained to him that I regularly carried a pistol (Smith and Wesson Sigma) and had a concealed carry permit. I also asked him if the company would appreciate a lawsuit holding them responsible for any damages to me or my property if I was mugged/robbed/assaulted in the parking lot because I was unable to defend myself because of company policy. He said he would check.
The next day he said that he was starting a "don't ask, don't tell" policy and that "officially" he didn't know if I carried a weapon or not.
I believe that large companies are really frightened by the possibility of lawsuits and bad publicity.
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In Reply to: Blame the media!! Read My Opinion posted by Ted on August 01, 2000 at 23:41:57:
"The NRA is not tax exempt"
I could be wrong here (it sure happens often enough these days), but it's my understanding that the NRA itself is tax exempt. That is it's primary missions, Education and organization of the shooting sports is 'not for profit' in the legal sense.
The NRA-ILA is however not. That is the "Institute for Legislative Action" is separately organized and funded for exactly that reason.
Put another way, Charlton Heston and James Baker are different guys, with different jobs. We need to support both.
I think it's very important to stick to the exact facts, trading in lies (big and small) is the tactic of 'the other side'. This is just my understanding, if I'm wrong, I'm sure to be corrected in a matter of minutes.....
Doug Owen
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In Reply to: Re: benjamin sher vs. sm1000 for $150 posted by dton on August 02, 2000 at 09:10:26:
They are both good, depends on which type gun you want.
Pros and cons on both.
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In Reply to: Scope Suggestions for QB78-22 posted by TinkerMan on August 01, 2000 at 22:18:45:
Mine has a Bushnell Sportview 3-9x 32AO on it. The target turrents are handy on it and it works well.
While it's a long scope, even with low mounts it sits high enough to load without a hassle.
Mine is on Millet "high" mounts though. I like Millets with their built-in windage adjustment.
Note: I also uses a basic $10 Daisy 4x for awhile and it worked great! Just not as crisp or versitle as the Bushnell.
hth, Jack
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In Reply to: RWS 34 Trigger adjust posted by Don Trinko on July 31, 2000 at 14:18:11:
I think it was a ballpen spring.
The spring is quite thin and light.
But I do not remember for certain.
I looked for a similar spring that was lighter.
Tom
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In Reply to: Re: benjamin sher vs. sm1000 for $150 posted by dton on August 02, 2000 at 09:10:26:
Me personally, I'd grab the SM first... But a big part of that is that I do not like to have to pump for every shot. The Benjis are good, just not my style... I have a SM, and it has seen plenty of use. If the spring does go, there is always the GSI kit, and that makes a big improvement in the way the gun shoots...
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: How good are Smith Wesson C02 Revolvers? posted by John in Alaska on August 02, 2000 at 04:00:45:
The S&W , Beretta, Sig and Walther copies are all made by a company called Umarex. Theese guns are all okay at best. Their build quality, heft and operation is very nice , but they are only so accurate. I would buy one of theese guns for the " real gun copy " factor and use it to shoot tin cans at 10 or 15 yds. If you want a gun to bench and shoot one hole paper groups, buy a Beeman P-3. The trigger on this gun is MUCH better and it WILL shoot one hole. Hope this helps.
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In Reply to: Re: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Lon on August 02, 2000 at 08:44:10:
I live in Holland, and all airguns are allowed, except for the Career. Strange enough, the 9mm and tanker aren't... The other versions are.
So you can have all other PCP, CO2 and springer airguns.
(Only the CO2 pistols must be red or green colored...)
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In Reply to: Re: benjamin sher vs. sm1000 for $150 posted by DaveG on August 02, 2000 at 08:48:49:
its irrelevant to me whether its a spring or pneumatic ive shot pneumatic and i am aware they have less recoil than the spring but i really want some quality and power in 22cal . I wouldnt mind the learning curve involved in shooting a spring piston either though ive heard about broken springs and the such. Best gun for 150.00
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In Reply to: What is the best scope mounts to use on a Career 707 posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 01, 2000 at 15:18:03:
RWS old style C mount. take note that I mentioned the old style....the new ones are crap.
Dutch
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In Reply to: What is the best scope mounts to use on a Career 707 posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 01, 2000 at 15:18:03:
RWS old style C mount. take note that I mentioned the old style....the new ones are crap.
Dutch
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In Reply to: What is the best scope mounts to use on a Career 707 posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 01, 2000 at 15:18:03:
RWS old style C mount. take note that I mentioned the old style....the new ones are crap.
Dutch
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In Reply to: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 07:02:38:
I think the comparison of airguns to firearms is misses the mark. In order to make the argument that airguns shouldn't be banned because they aren't firearms, the concession is made that it is acceptable to ban firearms. This is an unacceptable concession. I believe the argument must focus on our (as an American) constitutional right to bear arms. If we concede on this point the battle is lost. Just as toy guns are banned, even children pointing their fingers in the form of a gun is banned, so all forms of guns will be banned (except of course when in the hands of government agents). Their practical use, energy, projectile size, etc, is irrelevant. The opposition is not concerned with these matters. As long as they continue to make inroads on controlling and banning guns they will not stop.
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In Reply to: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 07:02:38:
and the sky might fall in too.
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In Reply to: And a scope railing hanging off the front of the block for a shotgun scope. (NT) posted by Jeff Guinan on August 01, 2000 at 23:14:05:
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I just recently bought an old WH80. Real old, I think. 10 years or so? How can I check exactely HOW old?
Thankx...
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In Reply to: ?FPE? posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 06:39:53:
In Reply to: benjamin sher vs. sm1000 for $150 posted by dton on August 02, 2000 at 08:40:31:
It really depends more on what you want, rather than what we think... Aside from the price being comparable, they are completely different guns. Do you want to pump in-between every shot, or do you want to simply cock it one time, and be good to go? Do you want a spring gun, or a pneumatic? Can you handle the weight of the SM, or would you prefer the light, quick handling ability of the Sheridan... Apples, and oranges, which do you generally prefer
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 07:02:38:
As an avid shooter, both powder & pellet, I have to say I am concerned about the Careers going mainstream in Cabelas.
The thougth of a youth running around the neighborhood with a 9mm(as alot of would probably have to admit to doing with our Daisy's as kids)is disturbing to me.
I will probably get replies about parental responsibility and supervision but with the extremely powerful airguns going mainstream I expect we hear about more of these incidents.
I pray I'm wrong.
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In Reply to: To Marco posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 06:52:51:
No, there is not. And if I was you: Ask for the money or another gun.
Advice: Buy a 2nd hand gun in good condition. If it's 2 or 3 years old, but still in a perfect condition, you can have it for the same price as a cheap new one. A high-quality gun should last for over 30 years!
I recently bought a BSA Meteor (as good as new) for $64 and a Weihrauch WH80 (old one, not so good shape, but still hard-shooting, accurate and with a ovely trigger) for $75 including a 6x20 scope.
THAT 'll make you REALLY HAPPY! You should just once feel the difference. Come visit me: in The Netherlands! Hehehe....
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which of these two airguns would you purchase if you had a 150$ budget for a gun. Any other suggestions and i really dont want to go any higher in price just something to "pop" some squirrels and rabbits
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In Reply to: Range Finders posted by Quack on August 01, 2000 at 21:45:27:
I am looking to replace my old "bow" type rangefinder.
I was testing a Bushnell last night.
Worked great from 18 to 500 yds. Only so so optics and an LCD display that was impossible to read in low light.
I looked at a Leica LRF800 Friday for a few minutes. First time I used a laser rangefinder. Couldn't quite figure out how to use the single button. Ranged well from 12 to supposedly 800 yds. Great optics. LED display and recticle make it easy to use in any light condition. It is a lot smaller than the others about 3.75 x4.25 x1.25. Price about $400. I suggest you take a serious look at it.
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In Reply to: Lazers posted by Greg on August 02, 2000 at 00:27:01:
Greg-
Crosman Makes a cool looking laser sight. It can be mounted on the trigger guard and has a pressure switch to go on automaticlly. there selling it at www.airgunstore.com (click optics and sights) I think its abour $50. If your Berreta has scope rails, you can also mount a laser on that for about $30.
good luck-
john
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In Reply to: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:32:02:
When you have a little authority like the liberal teachers that blocked out the NRA and other sites, you as an individual can make a difference. When the company I work for was in the process of constructing a Employee Handbook we were given guidance on what to put in it by a law firm. They said no guns on Company property and in no vehicle. Well I squashed that piece of garbage right away, I'm not driving 15 miles back home and back to town for 4-H shooting and I have employees who shoot sporting clays after work plus several who hunt and trap after work. As far as the couple in Cabellas who raised a stink about buying a gun, they must have been "TOURISTS" who were passing through.
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In Reply to: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 07:02:38:
I think its unrealistic that our country could ever ban air guns. We have a gun culture and the gun lobby is just too strong. I think it is relistic to see a movement to restrict use to certain areas or to restrict sales in certain areas or to certain people (convicts or age restrictions). The gun lobby could abandon us (air gunners) as a sacrificial lamb to policy makers, but even there I don't think that will happen. Enough of the gun lobby would probably agree with the slippery slope arguement of "if they ban air guns, then next go our Glocks". I agree with your essential arguement over the relative safety of airguns, just remember that politicians are masters at twisting reality to fit their agenda.
In Reply to: airgun deaths and sensible science (long) posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 07:02:38:
Canada already has it going. Airguns are limited to 500 fps..
England also has a 12 FPE (I think) limit, without FAC. Sure am I live in the USA.
Our only hope to prevent those types of restrictions here is to fully support organizations like the NRA.
If you aren't already a member, JOIN NOW!!!
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In Reply to: The new scopes have landed....matter of fact.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:24:50:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: Calibration of Chronograph unit? posted by Doug Owen on July 30, 2000 at 23:56:15:
Oehler uses PCP rifles [ask them].
Another more accurate chrono: separate sensoes into a frequency counter in time base [start-stop]mode.
A singular event trigger of sequencial blinking light source.
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In Reply to: very cool (found the Theoben gas spring) posted by Tom L. on August 01, 2000 at 23:48:05:
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In Reply to: Resident Skunk under my kids play structure. posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 11:50:26:
I have shot skunks in the chest area with no spraying. However, without a well placed shot, it may spray. As a nuisance wildlife trapper, place a double door trap in the pathway of the holes where the skunk exits. You may have to do some digging to allow the trap to bed properly ....can't wobble. You may also have to place pieces of plywood on both sides of the trap to funnel the skunk through the trap as it exits. If you leave any room between the sides of the trap and the hole, it will get around your trap without walking through. Once trapped, now simply walk up (very slowly) and cover with an old towel. Darkness and not being able to see what's around a skunk, is what keeps one from spraying. Oh, by the way, ammonia, moth balls, castor oil, etc. all don't work consistently. Trapping is the only means. Good luck.
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In Reply to: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:32:02:
That rural school parking lot full of guns is likely in violation of multiple "gun-free school zone" laws. When I was growing up, everybody went hunting after school, dozens of guns on the property, and nobody feared them at all.
Today, guns in the hands of the law-abiding is about the only defense we have from people like the two assholes at Columbine. Yet we vote for idiots who seem to think that the way to stop people from engaging in school massacres is to loudly proclaim that all the innocent people there are unarmed and helpless.
We could learn something from Israel. When terrorists started hitting their schools, they armed the teachers. Only school massacre since then was the time children were attacked while visiting Jordan. The authorities there demanded the teachers leave their guns in Israel.
In Reply to: assuming the MV is correct, using 14.3 Premiers= a wild guess posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:32:48:
With PC ballistics, I got .272.
That's only about 10 times the BC I'd expect from a .22 premier.
I'd like to get some pellets like that.
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In Reply to: Re: Range Finders posted by G. Jang on August 02, 2000 at 06:58:52:
Thanks man, thats what I thought.
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