In Reply to: YES! He wrote a made for tv script titled " a Christmas Story " I think about a kid from Gary, In. posted by gene shepard on August 26, 2000 at 00:09:29:
I do have that movie. I watch that every Christmas. It's funny. I DO KNOW STUFF.
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In Reply to: Re: TX200 SR? posted by AC on August 26, 2000 at 00:00:03:
Yeah - it's a great price.
Perhaps too good.
Still - I'll give the guy a ring. He's in another city to me (about 100km away).
If it's in great cond, then I'll buy it (try and get him to take it down to NZ$340 (might aswell get as good a deal as possible)), then sell it, and buy some stuff for my HW97.
Chris
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In Reply to: Re: YES! He wrote a made for tv script titled " a Christmas Story " I think about a kid from Gary, In. posted by Mike Ullrich on August 26, 2000 at 03:35:52:
Did you ever see the tv made movie about the 4th
of July with the huge firecracker? Really good.
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NT
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In Reply to: Piston Seals posted by James McAllister on August 24, 2000 at 14:35:04:
You are much better off in the long run with a leather seal. It will outlast the synthetic one by about four times. If it is fit correctly and cared for it will far outlatst the other one.
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In Reply to: Actually Peter, I think you may be right about the sharpness... posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 20:55:03:
A heads-on comparison revealed the difference to be hard to detect -- with both scopes at their max settings. You could see a difference, but it was very hard to tell what it was, until I focused both scopes on a specific branche in the willow tree -- it was the depth of field thing. At precise focus, the detail shown was almost indistinguishable.
With both scopes set at 18x, the depth of field was similar, and the impression of sharpness was equal: stunning.
In the very crisp morning light, the 677 was definitely running right up with the 669.
My only complaint: the AO bell needs to loosen up to the same slickness of the one on the 669MTA to be really nice. I hope it will. Mine already has loosened up a bit compared to Janny's, which was monted this morning. I remember having the same complaint on the 669MTA in the beginning, so I guess it will.
Marty: Jeroen will be dropping by this afternoon to get his scope mounted too. Darn, I'll have to mount a scope on a Career *grmbl*. Can someone please poke my eyes out before he shows up?
;-)
peter
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In Reply to: Roland and M54 Owners posted by JRW on August 26, 2000 at 00:25:46:
JRW,
Sounds like you are lost!! Tell you about my way. I have a 54, old man cannot see well, Tried "C" mount, did not work! Purchased "Dampa Mount" from Theoben in England, about $60.00. (1 of 6) Installed Dampa mount and RWS 450 scope, Been playing much, no problem. My favorite rifle, and I have a wonderful R-1 and a mark 4 TX -200 JM tuned, and many other good ones!!!
Later,
Karlous
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In Reply to: whats the most powerful spring handgun??? nt.. posted by rick on August 26, 2000 at 00:50:42:
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In Reply to: whats the most powerful spring handgun??? nt.. posted by rick on August 26, 2000 at 00:50:42:
I had an old Gamo underlever spring handgun lying around. One day a buddy came along with the spring from a rifle. The pistol was a little under powered so we decided to switch the springs. We put (forced) the spring into the gun and put it back together. It was harder to cock but the power really improved. There is alot of recoil from this thing but it was fun to shoot. I dont know the exact velocity improvement but im sure it was big. Whatever you do, dont do this, common sense tells me this might be dangerous. Though I never experienced too many problems with it, I just had a fear the spring would fly back in my face or somthing like that.
So I stopped using it. Just thought I'd mention it
Tyler
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In Reply to: Picking Chinese Rifles posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 25, 2000 at 22:42:41:
The QB-78 and the Dianamodel 48 look-a-likes are by far are the best air rifles to come out of China. I too have considered upgrading the stockand add a Mac 1 bulk fill tank.
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...I'm not a big fan of CO2 in general, even less of a fan of the double-action (NOT a real semi-auto) firing pellet guns.
I would however be interested in a life like immitation PPK or Makarov pistol. Are these airpistols I see made of REAL, SOLID, BILLET and beautifully BLUED STEEL like the genuine article? Or are they just more budget-minded cast metal pieces?
I've never actually been close to one. I've only seen the RWS225 through a shop window.
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In Reply to: YES! He wrote a made for tv script titled " a Christmas Story " I think about a kid from Gary, In. posted by gene shepard on August 26, 2000 at 00:09:29:
The author actually grew up in Hammond, IN. (The town I happen to have grown up in). In the book he called the town Hohmann. It was originally settled by a number of Germans (among others) and Hammond and Hohmann were very prominent among them.
His name was Jean Shepherd. He wrote the book in the 50's I think, which was made into a movie in 83 or so. For those overly curious, this webpage contains some basic info - scroll down to 1939 to get to the relevant part. http://hammond.k12.in.us/HammondHs/chron04.html
For those really with nothing better to do, check me out in 1974. (I was robbed - some other accomplishments were left out. Oh well, fame is fleeting.)
For those REALLY in need, the leg lamp can be purchased on the web, even delivered in a crate labelled just like in the movie. http://www.leglamps.com
The book is so funny, and still popular. It's available on Amazon etc.
Mike Ullrich
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In Reply to: BSF posted by Doug Law on August 26, 2000 at 00:33:25:
I am selling my BSF55 if your interested, e-mail me for details. Especially interested in a full or partial trade for quality airpistol(s) (Diana 6M/10M, IZH46, Walther LP53, Crosman 600, any FWB pistol, Record Jumbo, older Webley's, Hy-Score, etc...).
It has the short barrel. I would imagine the longer barrel wouldn't help the veolocity to any great extent, although it may make the rifle a little more silent.
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In Reply to: Re: You get one guess. Don't blow it. posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 19:33:24:
An adult airgun is an airgun not meant for kids, i.e. not a BB gun. While that statement suggests that all kids should get a BB gun, I would not subscribe to that.
The TX200 is the most accurate springer that regular money can buy.
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In Reply to: Thanks and more...... posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 25, 2000 at 15:24:29:
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In Reply to: Re: Daa'a. }:o)))))) nt posted by JRW on August 26, 2000 at 01:48:29:
Ok I got it! but you'll have to follow these directions carefully.
Say the sounds of this word (Daa'a)(Hawaiian word) ten times and each time you say it, put the enfis'sis' on a differant part of the word. This will only work if you do it in front of a mirror.
Aloha John
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Any sugestion or comment would be appreciated.
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In Reply to: Re: Red Dot MOA posted by David Bruce on August 26, 2000 at 01:33:23:
I also heard of only a few 2min sights.
A 3min dot can be found on some of the better sights.
something else that also important is the light intensifer How many settings?? the more the better.
W/E look for quailty.
mine stands up to my RWS54 (8months+) and counting.
you get what you pay for
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Re: Daa'a. }:o)))))) nt posted by jr99 on August 26, 2000 at 01:32:02:
One of us must be hammered because I still am clueless.
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In Reply to: What pellets does the Daisy 747 digest best? posted by Dave N. on August 25, 2000 at 20:14:56:
Dave,
Gecos do best for me,and the price is a bonus...
under $3 for a 500 tin....
GH
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In Reply to: Re: Pellets posted by M Boyle on August 25, 2000 at 22:58:27:
What will you be shooting with these pellets and at what range?Will you shoot paper targets,field targets,varmints(starlings,rats,squirrels)?Beeman and RWS make great wadcutters for fairly close range shooting.Crosman,RWS and Beeman make some very decent diablos for hunting small vermin up to 50yds,Beeman and RWS make excellent expansion pellets for hunting up to about 30-35yds.I've gotten some decent groups with Silver Arrows and Silver Jets(both pointed pellets) in 177 from Beeman.With well made pellets and lots and lots of practice you can shoot some good groups with a number of different pellets.When I shoot a bad(about every other one) group I tend to blame myself more than the gun or the pellet.Determining which pellet works best for your gun is an art.Consistency in shooting technique is tantamount to matching the right pellet to the right gun. I myself still have a lot work to do before I get excellent consistency in my technique.
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In Reply to: 1:25AM...Watching Matlock rerun.....(nt) posted by Simon Slick on August 26, 2000 at 01:23:15:
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In Reply to: Re: Red Dot MOA posted by Unclle Gary on August 26, 2000 at 01:15:25:
Thanks, I was wondering if you can see through the dot or is it a solid light over the target. The only one I have tried is a 13$ Copperhead. It is a blur of light. Thanks Dave
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In Reply to: Its that easy... posted by Whiteleather on August 25, 2000 at 23:53:19:
Unless you're fibbing, in which case I say:
Neener neener neener!!!
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In Reply to: Hi guys It's 6:50pm Hawaii time. So whats happened today---- posted by jr99 on August 26, 2000 at 00:46:31:
Well John,for us in Conn. we have had we have had
an unprecedented 5 days of clear warm,[as in pleasent],
weather...Now,good weather should provide some relax'n shooting time
but that ain't the way it works....gotta get the outside work done!!!
Must be awful to have nice weather year-round like you do...can't use it as a gude for
NOT planning projects!!! Hy De Ho!!!
GH
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In Reply to: Re: Daa'a. }:o)))))) nt posted by JRW on August 26, 2000 at 01:04:32:
I knew you'd figgeret out.
Its nice to see people grow
Aloha John
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In Reply to: 1:25AM...Watching Matlock rerun.....(nt) posted by Simon Slick on August 26, 2000 at 01:23:15:
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Hi guys It's 6:50pm Hawaii time. So whats happened today---- posted by jr99 on August 26, 2000 at 00:46:31:
x
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In Reply to: Red Dot MOA posted by David Bruce on August 26, 2000 at 01:09:22:
David, I know of no commercially available Red Dot sights that have a 1 MOA dot. The smallest I know of is a 2 MOA dot. Actually, I can shoot quite accurately with a 3 or 4 MOA dot out to 75 yards or so. The reason is that by using the center of the dot, instead of the entire dot, you can achieve a little better target resolution. Beyond 75 yards the problem becomes lack of magnification, rather than the dot size. HTH!
Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Its that easy... posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 00:03:51:
I never had a problem with springers either. I guess because no one ever told that I was supposed to. I did however, have to overcome flinching because of the weird recoil of that Weirauch 35L that I purchased from AHR 30 years ago. It even got to a point that I was clinching my teeth in acticipation of the recoil. SSlick
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In Reply to: Picking Chinese Rifles posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 25, 2000 at 22:42:41:
The B7 is better build quality and finish. Accuracy and power should be similar on the two guns. I could sell the QB88 if I wished, but choose to carry only the Xifeng spring guns as they are superior to the Industry guns in fit, finish, and build quality.
In Reply to: Re: Daystate Harrier posted by Chavez on August 26, 2000 at 00:18:49:
steve the o/o of Pomona airguns will talk as much as you would like. Give him a call
1-760-244-8271
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Re: Favorite Target! posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 00:49:53:
The metal tops off of bottles of Snapple or Starbuck's frappucino (punch holes in the sides of the caps opposite each other and thread them onto a finish nail stuck in a 2X4) Great homemade 'spinners' and depending on where they stop their rotation after being hit they present you with some pretty tough target areas. i've had to hit them with only the 'edge' facing me at times. They do get beat up and punctured pretty quick - but I just save all my caps and put new ones on as needed.
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: Wood+Pigeon?... Maybe, or how about " Woodcock " ? posted by BCall on August 25, 2000 at 22:21:01:
Sure not me, but maybe you and some of the younger fellers! But you're absolutely right, they stop at the top of their climb to get their bearings for a split second, and that's the time to get 'em, otherwise they're gone in a flash, swerving erratically at 50 MPH+ through brush and branches, leaving the hapless wingshooter standing open-mouthed in total amazement and frustration! Ah, to be young again! Regards,
Unc
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Does anyone know if there is a 1 MOA red dot available? Would this help in pinpoint accuracy or is 1 MOA too small. Who makes 1 or 2 MOA red dots? Thanks for your help. Dave
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In Reply to: Re: Daa'a. }:o)))))) nt posted by jr99 on August 26, 2000 at 00:52:02:
My ignorance is showing-I don't get you.
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In Reply to: BSA 2-7x32 posted by I'm a Cheapskate, 2 on August 25, 2000 at 23:57:21:
i agree. I have one on my Beeman R6. When it's set to a power level it's fine. Change it and you have to re-zero it.
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In Reply to: Re: Are The Red Dot Scopes Prone To The Same Problems Of Regular Scopes On Springers?? posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 23:32:15:
Yeah - my Vulcan is really solidly built, but the single stage is pretty cr*p (well atleast when compared to my HW97's Rekord trigger - but I suppose that the HW97's trigger should be better - it did cost a lot more).
The Vulcan is a great plinker (I have the long barrel version - which is really easy to cock), but I do prefer my HW97.
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In Reply to: Re: Make that Medina...not Gonzales. posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 22:46:22:
Give him my regards, and try not to get TOO drunk! [GRIN!] Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Its that easy... posted by Whiteleather on August 25, 2000 at 23:53:19:
What? It took a beginner buddy to teach you this? Dammit, I've been telling you this for YEARS, and you wouldn't listen to me! Serves you right, maybe next time you'll just listen to good advice and quit trying to analyze everything....Hell, just shoot the gun and enjoy being alive! [GRIN!] Cheers!,
Unc
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In Reply to: Roland and M54 Owners posted by JRW on August 26, 2000 at 00:25:46:
Aloha John
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nt....
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In Reply to: Favorite Target! posted by Matt Donovan on August 25, 2000 at 23:58:07:
Chalk sticks and lead sinkers hanging from a tree, the lead to lead contact welds the two together on the sinkers.
Regards,
Craig
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Aloha John
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In Reply to: Re: Burris Scopes Signature vs R/A : Answers posted by M Boyle on August 25, 2000 at 23:05:39:
I trust most of the people here also. I believe we were all in agreement that the Elite 4200 was an excellent scope and it did focus to 10 yards.
The question on the Burris was difference between the R/A models and the Signature models.
The answer was the Signature only went to 50ft.
The R/A goes to 10 yards and it is a 44mm obj.lens scope.
Art
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In Reply to: Wood+Pigeon? posted by José M on August 25, 2000 at 20:52:04:
Might be the same bird known as the bandtailed pigeon that lives in the forest of northern California. Just a thought.
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In Reply to: Re: What pellets does the Daisy 747 digest best? posted by Matt Donovan on August 25, 2000 at 23:31:53:
If I can get tins of H&N from Toronto for $6.95 Canadian dollars I will call that cheap! We're talking about a difference of pennies, the extra few cents is worth the concentration of each shot in my opinion.
I would like an old HW35 just for the fun of it.
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I didn't even knew AirArms of UK made pistols. I have check all known information i can find on the web and nowhere does it states they make pistols. Yet low and behold, i was at my local shop looking for a 308, ventured into the airgun section and there she was, an AirArms 10m target match pistol, 440 fps, .177, side cocking, match trigger, great feeling grip. I ask the salesman and he had no idea that he even had one. It has no box or anything, but all the markings and stamps looks like AirArms and as far as i can tell it was superbly made. Price was $245 but i didn't bring any money with me that day, might come back and see if it is still there. Can anyone tell me what the heck i saw? I owned a few AirArms rifle and their great, but if they made pistols, how come i never see them for sale anywhere?
Thanks,
Peter
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I'm looking for a BSF air rifle because I like German made guns. Would I get a bit more power with the longer 19 inch barreled 60 or 70 series compared to the 55 which had a 16 inch barrel.
Yeah, yeah I know, buyt a R1 or R9-no thanks, I like the older guns, how about it Mike any suggestions?
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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In Reply to: Sooooooooooooooo........ posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 22:16:20:
nt
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In Reply to: Axor or FX2000 posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 00:17:56:
An air guage, some options on some of the guns, and a magazine change (has nothing to do with functionality, just marketing). One is as good as the other accuracy wise and power.
Regards,
Craig
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To Roland(and any other RWS54 owners)- I think I figured my floating groups problem.That C mount has to be clamped tighter than a buzzard's but in a free fall dive. This afternoon after zeroing in at 30yds I hit a small star three times consecutively.Then the next three were grouped about an inch below those.Something had to be shaken with the scope.The groups were great,they just kept moving around the target.It was obvious upon inspection that the entire mount scooted backwards about 0.1".I followed the instructions on the package and did not tighten the recoil screws too much.Well they had completed unscrewed almost to the point of falling out.I took the whole thing apart and remounted the scope from scratch.I used a spirit level and a plumb line this time to get the scope reticles perpindicular and parallel with the rifle.Then I tightened every damn screw on the mount(except for the rings,there is still a little turn left in those screws as the ring would bite into the soft aluminum of the scope tube) as tight I could get them with the supplied hex nut wrenches.After zeroing in again and shooting a few CPs,I checked the tightness again.One of the hex nuts tightened down a cinch more.Then I shot until until it got too dark to see the target.So far,after torqueing every clamp screw down as tight as I could get them,I've had no drifting groups- yet.Does my story sound familiar?
I have several places lined up to go graydigger hunting and am glad I'm taking my time to get to know this new outfit before going out to field.I'll keep shooting paper until I'm certain my groups are going to stay in one place and that the gun is hitting on all 8 cylinders.
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In Reply to: Re: Its that easy... posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 00:03:51:
Whiteleather and RB,
If I didn't know better, I'd swear that ya'll were both from Texas. Tell you what, if you want to come down here, I'll be happy to supply you with enough recalcitrant springers to cure your bragadocioness.
chasm
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In Reply to: Re: Questions (Cr 262, 1077 Crappy Tire Crosmans) posted by Brian E on August 25, 2000 at 13:35:28:
Brian;
They say so but in all actuallity, their barrels are button rifled, a shallow process at best, and the steel BB, burnishes the bite that they have out. BB's are smaller than pellets by thousandths and rattle down the bbl striking any part that they wish, and being steel they do damage at random.
WHY RUIN FUN GUNS TO TRY TO SAVE PENNIES?
The older guns that are smooth bored are on the auction sites for cheap,get one of those if you have to shoot BB's.
Better yet. take a $100 bill and do what I did and buy a Daisy 499 target gun, now theres an honest one hole shooter! ask around to see that I'm telling you the truth on the 499. that one LOOKS like a Red Ryder, but it dose'nt sound or shoot like anything you've ever shot!!!It's a unforgiving true precision match rifle in the purest sense it even comes with it's own chroney reads, and test target, this one is no joke , a serious competition gun right out of the box. It even has it's own special steel shot developed specifically for it.
You'll like the cheap Crosmans once you shoot em, and youll cringe at the thought of ruining their accuyacy.
I mean NOT one BB down the spout either!!
Ask Tim at Mac-1, he'll tell you the same thing , not one BB.
Good luck, been fun writing to you, let us know what ya get.
Dave N
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In Reply to: Daystate Harrier posted by B on August 26, 2000 at 00:04:09:
At Airguns of Arizona.
hth,
Chavez
What is the real differece between the two other than the price.
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In Reply to: Re: Picking Chinese Rifles posted by BCall on August 26, 2000 at 00:00:58:
Absolutely right on that one. I've become so enamored with mine though that I'm, um ... having someone make me a ...MUCH, much, much... better stock for it ;)
"Diamonds on a poodle"? Possibly - but I've seen stranger things, lol.
Tim
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In Reply to: lol, i looked it up and bcall was right posted by john on August 25, 2000 at 23:54:43:
Thanks for the input. Is there anyone out there that has both?
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In Reply to: I dunno about Darrin McGavin but Gene Shepherd is a TV personality/writer from Gary Indiana (NT) posted by Mike in Indy on August 25, 2000 at 21:49:24:
who wanted a red ryder bb rifle. Everyone said he would put his eye out. Darrin McGavin played his dad, a grumpy guy with a good heart. Loved it when dad won the 1st prize of a female "leg" lamp.
See, kids don't know crap.
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In Reply to: Re: from the right angle and in the right lighting she bears a remarkable resemblence to Martha, lol (nt) posted by Tir on August 25, 2000 at 21:56:42:
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Where can i buy a daystate harrier in the U.S.? Thanks.
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In Reply to: Its that easy... posted by Whiteleather on August 25, 2000 at 23:53:19:
LOL. Must have been beginners luck, huh? Springers have always been easy for me also. Some folks have the knack and some don't I guess. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Picking Chinese Rifles posted by john on August 25, 2000 at 23:49:02:
The QB-88 is a side-cocking rifle. Very simple and easy to use. The QB-78 is the CO2 gun. I have two of them and enjoy them very much. I made the same mistake initially too. The 88 is simple to use and reliable. Cheaper than the 78 too. I still much prefer the 78, but you do have to buy CO2 for it, so it costs a little more to shoot. I bought both guns because I wanted them(anybody ever needed any other reason?), and have been pleased with them all. They don't have the finish of a more expensive gun, but so what! All of the expensive guns I have ever owned only ended up getting scratched, and with these I really don't have to worry about it. Not up to par with the more expensive guns I have seen, but I don't care. I bought them for fun. So thats what I do with them, learn and have fun. Thanks, Bill
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In Reply to: Re: TX200 SR? posted by Chris Farhi on August 25, 2000 at 00:31:13:
That sounds like a great price if it's in that good condition and has a scope to boot. Seems like you could buy the combo, sell the gun for what you paid for both, and keep the scope. If it wasn't in New Zealand, I be interested in buying it.
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In Reply to: Marksmanship posted by Mastek on August 25, 2000 at 20:20:11:
Thanks! Very much appreciated those words and Mastek, I think there would ALOT of readers on this forum who'd be interested, very interested in any links regarding marksmanship you might have to offer.
You're right about spring-pistons revealing flaws! If EVER there was a type of gun that reveals flaws it HAS to be the spring-piston! I find that follow-through (always important for any gun) is VITALLY important for springers and the one marksmanship building block most likely to need work for someone just starting to shoot springers.
500-1000 rounds a week! Wow!!! That's a whole lot of lead flying!
Anyways, welcome to the AGLF and feel free to assist us in shooting technique as you deem fit. I've been shooting for 37 years and I'm always eager to learn new things OR the old established things in new ways. ---- Mr.P
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My favorite target is a used CO2 bulb hanging from a string. I drill out the end of the bulb, tie a knot at the end of a piece of heavy twine, stick it into the bulb and give it a shot of hot glue. The pellets do glance off at a 45 deg. angle but never seem to come straight back. Lots of action and sounds cool. Every now and then, the pellet actually sticks in the dent.
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In Reply to: BSA 2-7x32 anyone familiar wiyh this scope? posted by Greg S on August 25, 2000 at 01:34:03:
I have one.
Good news = quite clear/sharp ... OK brightness
Bad news = It does not keep its "zero" when going from one power magnification to another. In other words, if you have it zeroed-in while it is on "4x"-power, but then want to zoom-in and turn it up to 7x-power, your point of impact will change. Well ... at least it does with my scope.
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In Reply to: One more thought posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 23:41:31:
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In Reply to: Re: Picking Chinese Rifles posted by john on August 25, 2000 at 23:49:02:
the QB-88 is a spring piston side lever air rifle while the QB-78 is a co2 powered rifle. lol sorry for the mixup.
john
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Springers are NOT hard to shoot. I have always felt that, and last weekend I had it proven again.
My buddy, Lou, from Queens is not what you would call macho. He ain't gay or nothin' (not that there's anything wrong with that...errrr), but he had never fired any kind of a gun til last weekend.
He came over for a visit. We ended up at the lake, drinking some beverages with bubbles. I decided to get the guns out.
Lou watched me shoot the springers (break-barrels) and thougt it was queer. I challenged him to hit the target. He aimed, fired, and hit the center of the target...now get this...the target was:
A piece of wood 16cm X 16cm...
35m BELOW us...
at an angle of less than 45deg
Floating on choppy water!!
The most stunning thing was that he did it with open sights while facing into fading light.
I was watching through a scope. He asked, "Did I hit it?" I replied: "Bite me, you freak".
Springers are easy. Don't let anyone tell you differently.
Kris
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In Reply to: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 07:34:12:
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I am looking at an air rifle for my sons 7th birthday. I saw what looked like a well made scaled down springer in cabelas catalog. It was a Eurolux by BEC rated at 500 fps and 36.5 overall length. they also list the beeman FH 500 almost same specs with scope. does anyone have any experience/knowlege of these two rifles and what are your opinions. Thanks in advance.
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In Reply to: Re: Picking Chinese Rifles posted by BCall on August 25, 2000 at 22:50:26:
ummmmmm, i may be wrong but isn't the QB-88 a co2 powered gun and you are saying it is a springer in your post. don't mean to correct you or anything, but i don't want to lead Tommy astray in his purchase of a chinese air rifle. my advice tommy is to go to www.funsupply.com as it carries multiple chinese imports and has good review and specs on all of them (including the b7 and the QB-880.
hth,
john
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In Reply to: 53 grains ? (nt) posted by .. on August 24, 2000 at 21:23:50:
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In Reply to: Pellet Suppliers in NY posted by Whiteleather on August 25, 2000 at 23:38:33:
Kris,
Golden Toller's prices are reasonable and he only charges actual shipping costs.
Matt
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In Reply to: Repair parts posted by Leslie R. Wood on August 25, 2000 at 12:44:29:
Sheridan is still a manufacturerm but now owned and combined with Crosman. Same goes for Benjamin. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Pellet Suppliers in NY posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 23:40:42:
do you have any Sports Authorities there? RB
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In Reply to: Pellet Suppliers in NY posted by Whiteleather on August 25, 2000 at 23:38:33:
Try Crosman- right down the road! There are Beeman dealers in New York (supposedly) so maybe Beeman could send you a copy of the latest dealers list? RB
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Anyone have a supplier of pellets close to Syracuse or Rochester New York? Shipping cost wipes out any benefit of pellet sales at the usual on-line spots.
I am looking for RWS stuff. Not interested in the high-end Beeman stuff.
Kris
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In Reply to: I STAND CORRECTED.... posted by Mike in Indy on August 25, 2000 at 21:37:36:
That was a smart aquisition! 3 in 1 oil beat WD-40 in the Consumer Reports tests for rust prevention and lubricating ability, but WD turned out to be a decent penetrant. RB
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In Reply to: Pellets posted by Larry on August 25, 2000 at 22:41:23:
Is it a new gun or spring? Maybe it need some more breaking in.
I got a GREAT price on about a million Crosman wadcutters. I use them in RWS 38 and 24 with excellent results.
Remember to keep your barrel clean, as that will affect flight.
The RWS Meisterkugeln and Hobby pellets have given me better groups than the Super points or Super H-Points. The Superdomes are consistent once you sight in with them. Avoid the FTS at all cost. I think they are too heavy for our guns (my 38 is a dressed up 34, I think).
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In Reply to: PCP Adapter Idiocy posted by Charlie on August 25, 2000 at 22:32:33:
The answer is at the Mac1 web site. I have been setting folks up with universal Charging yokes for a year now. The Career probe and the Axsor probe both get fitted to a male Quick connect ($9.50 each) and the Female quick connect takes the place of the Career Probe on your hose end ($15). If you send me your probes I will machine them and turn them around the same day. End of hassle. When you get a falcon we can put that probe on a male QC for $9.50. Get the picture? The manufacturers would rather sell you a new yoke every time. Don't let them stroke you. You only need one but it has to be set-up right to work for all your PCP's.
Later
Tim
In Reply to: Re: Are The Red Dot Scopes Prone To The Same Problems Of Regular Scopes On Springers?? posted by BCall on August 25, 2000 at 23:26:49:
The primary cosmetic difference between the C-1 and Vulcan is the stock. Innards are pretty much the same. Pretty accurate gun with a simple trigger that had a pull rate adjustment. Very solidly built(typical for Webleys). I like mine. They take the same Theoben conversion gas rams (should one want to do so)as the Vulcans. RB
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In Reply to: Re: What pellets does the Daisy 747 digest best? posted by Fearon Steele on August 25, 2000 at 22:48:36:
I like the Daisy pellets for 3 reasons:
1) They're cheap.
2) Wallmart carries them.
3) they're very soft and work good in low powered guns. My tired, old HW-35 thinks they're great.
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In Reply to: R1 FP? posted by José M on August 25, 2000 at 21:31:13:
I doubt you'll find tunes with energy that high for an R-1. I do recall a super-duper R-1 that was done in the UK that could achieve just under 30 fpe, but I hear it was a rather nasty bugger to shoot. Don't know about reliability at that level either. For all I know, it was probably just some UK urban legend. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Are The Red Dot Scopes Prone To The Same Problems Of Regular Scopes On Springers?? posted by Chris Farhi on August 25, 2000 at 23:14:01:
The catalog I have is older, but it lists the C-1 below the Vulcan. It has a listing for the Vulcan III and it looks like all the other Vulcan pictures I have seen. The C-1 is listed at 38.2 inches long and 6.2 pounds. 5 inches shorter and a pound and a half lighter than they list the Vulcan III. It also has a straight stock instead of a pistol grip one. It looks neat, maybe it's a modification of the Vulcan? I really don't know, just curious. Thanks, Bill
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In Reply to: Santa in the brown truck posted by Mike G on August 25, 2000 at 22:24:36:
Mikey havin' fun this weekend! Good luck with the new gun. RB
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In Reply to: Anybody know about the Air Logic Genesis?.... posted by OT on August 25, 2000 at 21:33:42:
OT,
I had the fortune of shooting one of these very nice rifles in 1988, it was .22 cal. and shot 575 fps with one stroke (single stroke penumatic side lever), it's was very much like the Daystate Sportsman, but the lever was closed in the opposite direction, I drooled for a long time over that one, but could'nt spend the $675 (think of what a Sportsman goes for now, and this was 1988).
Keep Shooting Straight... Howard
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In Reply to: PCP Adapter Idiocy posted by Charlie on August 25, 2000 at 22:32:33:
Hydraulics or pneumatics shops can also come up with what you need. See if Hydraulic or Pneumatic fittings are listed in your yellow pages. RB
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In Reply to: Pellets posted by Larry on August 25, 2000 at 22:41:23:
My RWS 34 loves Crosman 7.9 premiers. They fit nice and tight and don't leap out as you're closing the barrel like the RWS Miesterwhachamecallits so often do.
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In Reply to: Em-Ge Air Rifle posted by Brian on August 25, 2000 at 13:49:13:
I use to have one. It was relatively small gun with
weak spring, 12 grooves in the barrel brass front
sight and beach stock. I bought it in 1985 for about
$25 from a person, then I sold it to a friend of mine for the same money.
He put in it a new spring for IZH-38 and still use it
for pidgeon hunting. It makes now about 200 m/s muzzle
speed. I sold the gun, because I didn't like how the piston is
is made. It is sheet metal. I had once bad experience with
an italian air-pistol. The piston was from tha same type
and it die for very short time - the bottom flew away.
Iordan
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In Reply to: Re: Are The Red Dot Scopes Prone To The Same Problems Of Regular Scopes On Springers?? posted by BCall on August 25, 2000 at 22:35:51:
I'm pretty sure that the C1, is the Beeman equivilent to the Webley Vulcan.
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In Reply to: " Military scholars estimate that during World War II, 10,000 shots had to be fired before one hit the enemy. " posted by vZc® on August 25, 2000 at 00:15:48:
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In Reply to: Em-Ge Air Rifle posted by Brian on August 25, 2000 at 13:49:13:
I'm surprised I'm the first to answer this.
I had an Em-Ge. It is a Diana pattern, seemed very well made, and was pretty accurate in spite of the fact I've never shot springers well. Mine was not quite as nice as yours and sold for ~$45.
I kinda wish I never sold it.
HTH
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In Reply to: Burris Scopes Signature vs R/A : Answers posted by Art on August 25, 2000 at 22:12:43:
art yer a touchy feely type arent you..thats ok..most of us know how good nightforce, B&L\Bushnell, leupold and Burris is..i have both a B&L tagged 36X benchrest 4200 Elite and a trophy. i trust people here who say the burris is top noch..for the money i hear swift is great too
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In Reply to: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN???? posted by Dan on August 25, 2000 at 17:52:47:
I also have Benjamin Franklin .22 cal Pellet gun.
On the hand grip it has "Benjamin (HC) High
Compression". Model 132. I need a rear sight for mine. If you find out any thing about this gun i
would like too know where I can get parts. Could
you let me know if you find some think. THANKS
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In Reply to: Re: What pellets does the Daisy 747 digest best? posted by Chris in North Va. on August 25, 2000 at 21:55:23:
I live in Whitehorse, Yukon and am big into airpistols. I shoot a modified Daisy 717, Crosman 150, Crosman MkII, Beeman P1(HW45), Webley Tempset, Aeron B4 Chameleon and have owned various other airpistols.
This time I'm going to do things right and escape to Van in the winter instead of the summer! I love Vancouver; its seaside air, it's prodigious amount of pawn shops that sell airguns, the fact that you have girls there (unlike the Yukon) and so much more...
If you'd like I'd be happy to let you try some of my airpistols next time I'm down there.
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In Reply to: Pellets posted by Larry on August 25, 2000 at 22:41:23:
larry in short yep..better pellets beter groups..most if not all airgun shops online have pellet sample kits that have 25 to 15o of about 10 type of pellets ..thats the best was to test for the best pellets..then when you find the best buy as many tins as you can..same lot if possible
with crosman premiers the same die #
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In Reply to: Daisy 747 manual posted by Mark er on August 25, 2000 at 13:34:33:
I bought a 777 new back around '81 or '82 for $90.00. The grips don't look that nice. How did you finish them?
Thanks,
jcbii
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In Reply to: Re: Armor plated crow? posted by Charlie on August 25, 2000 at 18:05:33:
I was shooting a .22 h-point.
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In Reply to: Picking Chinese Rifles posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 25, 2000 at 22:42:41:
Don't know about the B-7, but the QB-88 I recently got is a fine gun for the money. South Summit has them for $50 plus shipping and it has been very reliable. Haven't shot it alot, but I am pleased with the performance for such an inexpensive rifle. Not bad at all for $50, I would reccomend it. It will take some time to break in though, but I am sure that is common with most spring rifles. Good luck, Bill
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In Reply to: What pellets does the Daisy 747 digest best? posted by Dave N. on August 25, 2000 at 20:14:56:
I (and my Daisy) like the Match-Kugeln High-Speed pellets by Haendler&Natermann. These are the German (H&N) 7.55 grain pellets.
Be sure to get the blue tin and not the brown one (which is 8.3 grains). Beeman markets these as something like "Match Wadcutter" even though they're the same H&N pellets. Be sure to get the light 7.55 grain ones as they perform much better in low powered pistols.
They are more expensive than the Daisy and Crosman pellets the others have mentioned but are more uniform, lighter grain, better cast and thus more accurate. Guess it depends on how serious about scores you are...
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In Reply to: Re: Make that Medina...not Gonzales. posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 22:44:48:
Went to FT Benning Sniper School, me too. I figured if he was gonna show up to the shindig, we could go shooting.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Wood+Pigeon? posted by José M on August 25, 2000 at 20:52:38:
Woodpigeon= White-winged dove... they are edible and as i have heard are comparible to mourning doves.
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In Reply to: Make that Medina...not Gonzales. posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 22:20:09:
One very sharp Mexican fella, but I don't know what the "sniper reunion" connection is. I do know he is 100% trustworthy though. Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: PCP Adapter Idiocy posted by Charlie on August 25, 2000 at 22:32:33:
Get thy self to a SCUBA shop and see if any of the gear heads in the back can come up with something, that or a Paintball shot, or a High performance car shop.
Regards,
Craig
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I've come down to either the B-7 or the QB-88. They are both priced the same. So all I need to know is, which one is more accurate and better build quality overall? Thanks
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I have a RWS 34 and I've been shooting low cost daisy and crosman pellets,they don't group at all.So i ordered some rws pellets,There on the way but can i expect much better performance from them?
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In Reply to: Santa in the brown truck posted by Mike G on August 25, 2000 at 22:24:36:
Ah, a Huntsman! Very fine gun indeed! My congratulations Mike. If I can ever scrape together enough cash, I'd like to get one too! Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Heh... posted by Brian E on August 25, 2000 at 16:37:18:
LeBaron has much better selection of air guns and way lower prices for the same kind than Can. Tire Le Baron also sells the Crosman 2200 for $99.00 CDN that is a better choice.
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In Reply to: Re: Are The Red Dot Scopes Prone To The Same Problems Of Regular Scopes On Springers?? posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 20:21:22:
Hey Russ, this is the first reference to a C-1 I've seen, so I've got a couple of questions. Is this the same C-1 Beeman sold? I've got an old Beeman catalog that shows it, but I'm assuming they don't sell them anymore. Is that true? Does Webley even make them anymore? Kind of seemed like a neat little gun from the picture. Straight stock and short gun. Looked interesting anyway. I was just curious for future reference. Thanks for all the help, Bill
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In Reply to: Marksmanship posted by Mastek on August 25, 2000 at 20:20:11:
yep, i am..forgive the tone of my replys to yer P1 post..lots of kids have posted here with braggy posts and i assumed the same of your post. i still cant picture 70yrds with a P1 though..i guess you can do it..the trigger on the P1 is adjustable so you can tweak it..i did mine..shorter second stage and lighter pull helped me some..my best group was a 25 foot dime size group..which suprised me
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Once again, I've waited weeks for an airgun to arrive, only to find
out that the idiotic $5.00 thread adapter to attach the charging connector
to the Axsor pump hose assembly DIDN'T come with the $775.00 rifle!!!!!
Here goes another beautiful weekend where I get to look at the fine
air rifle that I bought that I cannot CHARGE!!!!!!
Can the airgun industry stop this madness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can the airgun industry PLEASE standardize the charging connectors
on these air rifles and finally put an end to this stupidity!!!!!!!!!!!
In the mean time (while we wait for the world to be a better place), does
anyone know where I can get a workable charging hose assembly for the
Axsor pump for a Daystate Hunstman MKII? The charging connector that came
with the gun is a female fast-on type connector. The threads on the connector
do not fit the hose assemblies I have for the Career 707. The threads on the
Daystate charging connector are smaller. Please don't tell me Air Rifle Specialists
is the only place as getting ahold of Davis these days is a month long
endeavor. I can't stand the thought of looking at this rifle for a month
waiting for a $5.00 thread adapter!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Charlie
P.S. Thanks for listening to my venting.............
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by Jerry on August 24, 2000 at 22:13:03:
Anyof you guys near the Blackwater range in NC? near VA beach area?
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Armor plated crow? posted by steve d. on August 25, 2000 at 07:48:48:
I recently knocked one out of a tree with a breast shot at 20 yards.
I was shooting a 5mm Crossman Primier from an HW-97.
It did not kill the bird, it was flopping around slowly, perhaps
mortally wounded. I quickly gave it the "Coup de Grace" with
a second shot to the head.
Mike
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In Reply to: Santa in the brown truck posted by Mike G on August 25, 2000 at 22:24:36:
Coolio! After seening your posts I pulled one out and been shooting mine...it's a nice gun. Very simple in design but accurate and it's got a good punch.
Regards,
Craig
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UPS finaly cane today and it's hard to believe but he knew just what I wanted!
Huntsman deluxe, scope mounts, charge adapter ,two boxes of pellets.
wouldn't you know it I just happened to have a new swift 6-18 laying around.
I think I'll get up early tomorrow.
I would like to thank Russ Best and Craig Swinson and all the other people in this forum
for their time and patience in answering all my questions.
Mike Gohsman
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In Reply to: Anybody heard of AIRARMS HIGH POWER ? posted by JAY on August 25, 2000 at 16:41:51:
The High power or Firepower came out about 1987. They shot about 600 actual fps I think in .22 and werent too powerful. They are more a curiosity than aything. I see one offered for sale about once a year, hard to find over here.
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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In Reply to: Re: Wood+Pigeon?... Maybe, or how about " Woodcock " ? posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 21:14:38:
Woodcock always give that nice little pause after going straight up though, if you're quick, it's almost like shooting them sitting still. I always thought so anyways, after I learned to keep my heart still when they jump. Always used to kind of startle me. I think woodpigeons are an english bird though, always saw them mentioned as woodies in British gun mags. Still not quite sure what they are though. Good luck, Bill
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In Reply to: Where the heck is that Hector Gonzales dude? posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 22:18:27:
Whoops.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Are there Starlings in Central New York? posted by Ray Pyke on August 25, 2000 at 20:28:26:
Yes, There are Starlings in almost every state.
Check out the population maps on my web site to see the highest concentration. 100 of these birds were released in New York's Central Park in the late 1800's. They have managed to breed their way across the country. I also have bait tips.
Happy shooting
Steve
In Reply to: Anybody know about the Air Logic Genesis?.... posted by OT on August 25, 2000 at 21:33:42:
the Air Logic Genesis was an older English single stroke pneumatic rifle that came out about 1987. It was limited in power and perhaps hard to cock. I think I have a review in a British airgun magazine if youre intersted.
contact me at dlaw@cyberhighway.net
if youre interested in buying the magazine issue.
Doug law
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In Reply to: R1 FP? posted by José M on August 25, 2000 at 21:31:13:
I have a R-1 with Pauls Watts tune and it shoots CP's at 810fps or 21fp of energy. It is also twice as smooth with less felt recoil than a stock R-1. I think 25fp is out is out of range though. Thats what a CMIII shoots.My accuracy is better also. It is a 22cal carbine barrel with moderator.
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E-mail me as there is a Sniper class reunion thing at Ft Benning. It's open to "all calsses", wanted to see if you were going.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Well...no hunter injoys death posted by TK on August 24, 2000 at 22:43:00:
TK same here..but i dont bellyache if a person here does it..its a waste of the forum to complain tomuch about posts unless you feel info is very wrong or a lie and dis-service to the sport..then by almeans complain
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In Reply to: TAU-200 posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 25, 2000 at 17:10:03:
The trigger is very adjustable, stock is and so is the velocity. It is a nice 10meter rifle. They sell for $335.00 + S&H from EAP ask re. the sights. Golden Toller has them also.
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In Reply to: Burris Scopes Signature vs R/A : Answers posted by Art on August 25, 2000 at 22:12:43:
Which one did you buy!?!?! Biggest grip for me on the Burris...that silly looking sun shade!
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Wood+Pigeon? posted by José M on August 25, 2000 at 20:52:38:
In Reply to: Havin Extreme Trouble Deciding...... posted by Jason on August 25, 2000 at 14:32:42:
I love my QB88. There, I feel better. I know ti doesn't have quite the fan base as some of the others you mentioned, but I was just shooting it again in the basement tonight - and I gotta' tell you, I do enjoy this gun. I have a Leapers 6x AO compact mounted on it and the gun is nicely broken in since the spring of this year. Ragged one-holers at the 25ft. I can squeak out in the basement and easily sub 1" out past 25 yds. I've dropped starlings and sparrows with it at that range, and a spring gun is always ready when you are, no CO2 to stock or worry about, just the pellets and the desire to shoot (and a suitable target).
Keep this one in mind as you shop, definitely.
Tim
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OK I went to a large gun show in Indianapolis today so I could see and handle some of the scopes.
There was a scope dealer there from Kansas that I have dealt with in the past.
I was able to see a Bushnell Elite 4200 8x32x40,
and Burris Signature 8x32x44 and Burris R/A 8x32x44.
The 4200 is a very nice scope,bright and focuses to 10 yards.
The Signature is also a nice scope does not focus to 10 yards on goes to 50 FT. Hits a stop just past the 50 Ft mark.
The RA does focus to 10 yards and it does have a 44mm Objective lens.
There was a nice Tasco for $150, focus to 10 yards very bright. Don't know model number but it was a 5x to ??x by 50MM.
Of course all the other brands were there too. Even found a NightForce 8x32, no sidewheel adjuster did not go down to 10 yards and only $848.
If any on the forum is looking for a scope try logging on the 'ShotGun News' web page and go to the gun show section to see if there is a show in your area. Internet is nice but putting all these scopes side by side , seeing,feeling ,adjusting makes a big difference in picking a scope. This is especially true of some of the lower cost ones. Most were just that,but some were worth considering. I did not see any Swifts so I can't comment on those.
And thanks to all who responded to my previous posts.
Art
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In Reply to: Re: Anybody know about the Air Logic Genesis?.... posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 21:52:31:
Oops, my bad. Ok everybody, the Sharp Ace is multiple choice...or whaddaya call it.....multi-something.
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In Reply to: Re: Are the Pro Elite and TX2000 worth their weight and price?nt posted by FPoole on August 25, 2000 at 13:25:09:
FP, i think its the first cute girl sindrome..my first look at adult airguns was Beeman..some PCP guns too me are just plain ugly..they look like plumbing jobs to me..same for some of those skinny RWS guns ill take a R6-7 over some of those anerexic pellet guns
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In Reply to: Anyone from Va respond inside!! posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 10:37:22:
Half way between the beltway and Fort Belvoir on Rt l. SSlick
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In Reply to: I'll listen. posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 21:11:50:
Dude I don't think anybody takes offense about your choices...it's your life. You'll end up with a bunch of different guns...remember airgunning is about being happy, so get what makes you happy.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Well, I do and I'm sure Russ does too! posted by Mike Pearson on August 25, 2000 at 18:59:04:
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In Reply to: What pellets does the Daisy 747 digest best? posted by Dave N. on August 25, 2000 at 20:14:56:
Over 6 yards for the PYO shoot, mine loves the cheap Copperhead 7.9 wadcutters from Wal-Mart.
It prefers 7.9g CPs for starlings at longer distances :-)
Chris
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In Reply to: Does anyone " wire " money for their postal transactions? posted by Fearon Steele on August 25, 2000 at 16:33:09:
Sometimes quite a lot - have paid 50 bucks to wire money overseas.
Shop around for the cheapest rate if you choose this method.
Mike
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In Reply to: Anybody know about the Air Logic Genesis?.... posted by OT on August 25, 2000 at 21:33:42:
The Sharp Ace Hunter is not a single stroke. RB
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In Reply to: Ship it by UPS...... posted by Simon Slick on August 25, 2000 at 21:34:32:
they will loose it or break the box..thatll learn um to not snap custom stocks in half
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In Reply to: If Anyone is interested - Swinson I havent got a clue what you are trying to say. posted by Jim P on August 25, 2000 at 12:36:09:
Just look at the diagram, if that doesn't explain it then just move on. It seems pretty simple and straight forward to me.
Here's maybe something that might help:
The thing he is seeing is called yaw. Pellets spin but sometimes they spin unevenly due to things you may or may not be able to control. Shooting straight up in the air will make the effect look worse and it is a dumb thing to do anyway. Those patterns may not repeat (that funny spinning zig zag) but by no means are they random.
It is certainly not centrifugal or centripital force as those forces are at work but on a different part of the flight path and projectile.
Physics hasn't changed all that much in the 25 ish years are degrees are apart. But then again maybe working for the gov't has made my mind dull. I mean you've worked on aeromechanics
and at aerobalistics research facility, right? I mean you have heard of a two arms model of yaw? Yaw of repose? Those things are really IMPORTANT when launching something intospace and getting it back to earth.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Can any of you older guys fill in this posted by gene shepard on August 25, 2000 at 19:49:28:
EOM
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In Reply to: Re:ok, color me stupid. whats a smith chart?NT posted by M Boyle on August 25, 2000 at 11:59:26:
Smith Chart plots complex impedances. It's a
graphical aid that provides a way to visualize
how impedance varies, usually related to
transmission lines, but not necessarily.
Availability of computers has changed the way a lot
of folks do the same analysis, BUT Smith Charts
continue to be used because of their imagery.
To be honest, when I saw the yaw plot, it reminded
me more of a Nichols' plot. Totally different
discipline, control systems, and I'm really dating
myself by confessing that I know what it is. :-)
One might use a Nichols' chart in the air gun world,
but likelihood of encountering a Smith Chart is
gotta be just about zero (no pun intended or even
appropriate :-)
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In Reply to: I'll listen. posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 21:11:50:
ive had my R1 sense 95..just add to it dont sell it..just for the weight i would have gotten a tuned R9 if i had known about Jm then..the forst gun is important dont take to big a bite..my first adult airgun was a P1
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In Reply to: R1 FP? posted by José M on August 25, 2000 at 21:31:13:
ive heard 19FP with nasty recoil..short spring life & seal life
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In Reply to: Uhhh? Mike.......... posted by GH on August 25, 2000 at 01:49:29:
Prior to December 1995 WD-40 had only one product.
They now own 3N1 Oil and Lava soap brands.
Mike in INdy
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In Reply to: I'll listen. posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 21:11:50:
IMO, you should start with the R9.
It's a great gun. It's well priced, accurate, powerful, and is lightweight.
It's 2 lb's lighter then the R1 aswell.
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In Reply to: Note to self: posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 18:35:47:
And let the boys in the short brown britches earn their money (If they don't get a hernia first). Oh yeah, don't forget your checkbook. SSlick
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In Reply to: Re: Help posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 21:03:04:
Sweet.
That's what I did (I'm 15). Started with a Webley Vulcan (3 years ago), got good with it, sold it, and bought my new airgun - HW97.
Get the R9 though. It's lightweight, great power and accuracy, and lots of aftermarket tunes and stuff.
Try Straightshooters:
They have a great selection of stuff, good deals, and great service.
It looks like a either a sidelever, or a single-stroke pneumatic like the Sharp Ace Hunter.
Anyone know about this rifle? I saw it in a hunters book.
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Hi,
It is posible to get 25 FP at the muzzle, from a tuned R1?. Thx in advance.
Regards.
José M
PS: I am 100% sure about woodpigeons, a few min ago
I got the info from an old AirGun World magazine. Thx anyway :)
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 10:41:35:
Great cops that live two sides of the law. And people wonder why law enfocement gets such a bad rap.
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In Reply to: Update ... posted by bcd on August 25, 2000 at 20:02:10:
yeah, that's something to think about ... I know how I get if someone just cuts me off in traffic. I call it 'someone trying to put their thumb on my head' (if that makes any sense at all). Sometimes it takes a lot to refrain from the immediate desire to 'reassert' one's self. I'm choosing my words carefully here, hopefully spelling them right too ;)
I really cannot even imagine the emotions that an experience such as your son just endured must provoke. My best to him.
Tim
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In Reply to: I'll listen. posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 21:11:50:
Hey, you sound like owning an R1 or R9 is some kind of curse, not hardly! Weihrauch doesn't make junk guns, and the power level will satisfy you too. Learn to shoot either one of them well, and you'll be able to shoot well with just about anything else later on. Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by Jerry on August 25, 2000 at 10:37:17:
Right, dude the feds come to your house I will bet that you'll give up pretty quick. Ask Randy Weaver if he had it to do again would he have don it differently. You wanna risk your family over a gun and some macho BS, welcome to the worst part of America.
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In Reply to: What pellets does the Daisy 747 digest best? posted by Dave N. on August 25, 2000 at 20:14:56:
I use Crosman supermatch. They work good for me. I can hit beer cans at ten meters every time. :)
--Mark
In Reply to: They took the kerosene out of it Russ..... posted by Brent on August 25, 2000 at 17:07:54:
Got a lotta punch. All I've ever used. SSlick
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In Reply to: I'll listen. posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 21:11:50:
Good thinking Cody! One thing, I bet you won't want to sell you R1 or R9!
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In Reply to: Re: Wood+Pigeon?... Maybe, " Wood duck " ? posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 21:07:24:
Yup, I used to hunt 'em years ago Cody, fast little devils, they take off straight up out of heavy cover, then usually make a 90 degree turn at lightning speed and streak in any direction (usually the opposite one from where your gun is pointed!) Fun! Regards,
Unc
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Sorry ignoring you guys that told me not to get a Career or TX200. I'll listen. I'll buy a R1 or a R9 or something like that. I'll kepp it for about 3 years. Then sell it. And use th emoney to buy a new gun. :D
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In Reply to: Re: No, No, No, No, posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 19:03:52:
Nope, I ain't gonna say it Russ, I'm gonna let you slide this time! [GRIN!] Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Help posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 18:46:43:
Cody, I don't think you will be happy with anything but a cannon. ;>) Just remember, bigger is not always better. I think you have this thing in your head you need super power. More power harder to shoot!
Believe me, get a tuned R9 and you will we VERY happy.
Pepi
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In Reply to: Re: Wood+Pigeon?... Maybe, " Wood duck " ? posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 20:59:02:
There's a bird called a Wood Cock. I don't know anything about it.
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In Reply to: Looking for opinions for Magnum Air Rifle posted by Slick on August 25, 2000 at 07:24:52:
The R9 in .20 cal. would seem to fill the bill here, and if you want a tad more out of it, send it to RB to get it hopped up a bit. Just my thoughts, Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Help posted by Chris Farhi on August 25, 2000 at 20:58:25:
I might get a gun you guys are talking about. Because I can sell them in the future. And use the money to buy a new one. Never thought of that before. I must be a idiot. :D
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In Reply to: Help the kids and the sports.....Old guns wanted.. posted by commando on August 25, 2000 at 08:00:46:
How's that RWS 46, still shooting straight I hope?
Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Wood+Pigeon? posted by José M on August 25, 2000 at 20:52:04:
There is probably some other type of "woodpigeon" , but in New Zealand we have a a bird called the woodpigeon.
It is a native bird, is illegal to shoot, and apparently doesn't taste too good.
If you're not in New Zealand, then I doubt that the woodpigeon you're talking about is the same bird though.
Chris
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In Reply to: Wood+Pigeon? posted by José M on August 25, 2000 at 20:52:38:
Never heard of a Wood Pigeon Jose, maybe something is getting lost in the English translation here? [GRIN!] Or perhaps it's just a pigeon that happens to make it's home in the woods? Sorry, no pigeons around here anyway, only "Doves"! Pigeons only live in the big citys anyway, don't they? [GRIN!] Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Help posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 20:16:25:
RX-1's have quite a bit of cocking effort.
Try a R7 or R9. They are smooth shooters. You can always get a better one in the future.
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In Reply to: First impressions... posted by peter huppertz on August 25, 2000 at 18:29:54:
I really believe my 669MTA did focus a trifle more sharply than my new 677M at maximum power, but the difference is very slight. I believe if you set your new 677M at 18X, (so we're comparing apples to apples!), you'll find the difference very hard to detect. At any rate, my opinion is that the new 677M is the finest scope in this price range I've ever used. Cheers!
Unc
P.S.: my AO bell is a bit stiff too, but it should smooth out after some use.
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In Reply to: TX200??? posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 18:02:13:
the older tuned ones with thumbhole stocks can run $800-$1600..used..untuned about as much as a R1
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Hi,
What is a Woodpigeon, it's airgun quarry?, it's edible?. Thx in advance.
Regards.
José M
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Hi,
What is a Woodpigeon, it's airgun quarry?, it's edible. Thx in advance.
Regards.
José M
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In Reply to: Re: Right on man!Where in VA are you? posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 09:32:26:
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In Reply to: Re: Alternative to Airgun: Traditional Archery, Baby! posted by Bubba on August 23, 2000 at 12:44:19:
About the BBQ, I mean. Turns out the BBQ was not everynight...just the last night...a little miscommunication with the guy taking the money.
Still, venison, roast pig, and whole turkeys deep fried (I kept as far away from that little heart stopper as I could) made it worth the effort. The beer was cold and never seemed to run out. I was given the head from one of the pigs as a door prize.
I didn't find one airgunner in the whole group. Kind of odd when you think about it.
The peep sight you sold me is great. Helped to dispatch a foundation digging whistle pig (pasture puppy, groundhog, woodchuck, marmot, whatever...).
Took him at only 8m from the back. He wasn't killed instantly like the pigeons. He flipped over and pawed the air for about 20 seconds. I didn't need a second shot, but didn't like the lag time between shot and death.
I have put that gun and setup up for auction at Auction Arms. I am financing a scope for an RWS 54 in .22.
Kris
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In Reply to: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN???? posted by Dan on August 25, 2000 at 17:52:47:
1) Could be one of several models made by Benjamin, pls give more description.
2) Benjamin+Sheridan merged in the 80's, Crosman bought the company a number of yrs ago.
3) No.
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In Reply to: Tuned/scoped R9 .177 for sale American Airguns Classified. nt posted by Ray Pyke on August 25, 2000 at 20:38:26:
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In Reply to: Re: Are The Red Dot Scopes Prone To The Same Problems Of Regular Scopes On Springers?? posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 19:49:57:
i never got the hang of the one WilleyM has on has crosman. i saw there is a new trophy red-Dot under $90. if i could find rings to fit the P1 i have i might try it out. i hated not being able to hit a can with his red-Dot
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In Reply to: Re: Are The Red Dot Scopes Prone To The Same Problems Of Regular Scopes On Springers?? posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 20:21:22:
I've checked into this a bit myself, and my experience and what I've learned from others indicates that all the better quality Red Dot sights hold up very well on springers. I think the reasons are: lense systems that are much simpler than scopes, no discreet reticle to come loose or move around, and much less mass for the recoil of the spring to affect. This assumes of course that the sight has a sturdy mount, and most Red Dots do. Like Russ, I have several different ones that I've moved around and tried on different guns. My personal favorite is the 25MM Simmons with integral dovetail mounts and a 4 MOA dot. Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Sign me up!! posted by Driskill on August 25, 2000 at 13:33:34:
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In Reply to: Just stay on topic Russ....... posted by GH on August 25, 2000 at 02:16:51:
GH: I have a rather beat up Kentucky UltraHigh BB gun in the garage... Hmmm. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Alternative to Airgun: Traditional Archery, Baby! posted by Steve Parker on August 23, 2000 at 22:42:17:
Steve!
I grew flax in the garden this year to make traditional linen bowstrings! I made my own tabs, thumbring and arm guard from the top of a my old LLBean boots!
SOMEBODY STOP ME BEFORE I TRY TO MAKE MY OWN BOW (sure to cause some bodily injury when it snaps)!
In my garden, I have one shooting lane for airguns(up to 35m) and one for archery (up to 38m). When it rains I go to the range for 20-30 yard 3D targets.
I actually score better with the longbow than I do with the compound. Its all in the release.
Didn't go to Denton...gotta spend SOME time with my new son (Cooper is 13 weeks old).
Kris
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In Reply to: Re: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by M Boyle on August 25, 2000 at 12:02:09:
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In Reply to: A good use for your starling harvest. posted by Steve on August 25, 2000 at 14:11:29:
I have been looking for them, and have not seen any. Would appreciate any suggestions or help.
Thanks
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In Reply to: see my scope article on low cost scopes url posted by James Kitching on August 25, 2000 at 13:11:18:
Is this the same scope in percesion air products
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In Reply to: What pellets does the Daisy 747 digest best? posted by Dave N. on August 25, 2000 at 20:14:56:
Mine likes those cheap daisy wadcutters.
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In Reply to: Re: Are The Red Dot Scopes Prone To The Same Problems Of Regular Scopes On Springers?? posted by McClure on August 25, 2000 at 19:54:37:
Both sights have spent time on my .20 R-9 (beefed up gun), but they are currently situated as follows: BSA 30mm on a BSF S70 springer.
TF-96 on my tuned C-1 Webley. Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Thanks for the advice, and my appology posted by Mike Pearson on August 25, 2000 at 18:41:18:
Mr. P.
I would point out that it was YOUR classy post that brought me to my senses.
Regarding marksmanship - I must say that I only shoot at the Master level (maybe one day). Also, there is much more to coaching than merely shooting. My approach is lots of practice on the fundamentals: hold, sight alignment, and trigger control. I usually shoot at least 500 rounds per week, sometimes up to 1,000. Much of this is with a .22 because it is so convenient. Ironically, one of the things that got me interested in airguns was that I heard spring guns will help point out flaws in follow through.
Another thing is that contrary to most airgunners, I am primarily a pistol shooter. If the list is interested, I could post some on-line references to pistol shooting fundamentals. There would obviously be oriented towards firearms, but the fundamentals are largely the same (except for hold).
Cheers,
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In Reply to: Home made bench rest/bags posted by Mark Ferreira on August 24, 2000 at 22:19:05:
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In Reply to: Re: Help posted by Pepi on August 25, 2000 at 20:04:02:
What about a .22 RX-1?
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In Reply to: Note to self: posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 18:35:47:
Do what former owner of this place did ... leave
it behind!
We have a safe-thing in the garage that must weigh
1000#, and the lock was broken to get it open (long
boring story).
We too may just leave it behind when we go :-)
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About out of pellets for my relatively new Daisy 747, and I'm too cheap to buy a whole sample kit. Anybody got recommendations on what seems to work best with this pistol? What grain weight seems to work well?
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In Reply to: Re: Get a supersoaker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 19:41:02:
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In Reply to: Any safety issue in exposure to lead from pellets? posted by T Moench on August 25, 2000 at 14:19:13:
I found it interesting that my IZH-46 instructiuon manual contains a warning to use only in a well ventilated area. Funny since the manual is nearly uninteligible otherwise that it has this warning. If I locate the manual I can be more specific but I remember the warning being a reference to lead spitting from the barrel.
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In Reply to: Re: Way off topic ... posted by Craig W on August 25, 2000 at 19:10:37:
OUCH! My son was in Sacramento a few weeks ago to
visit friends.
He rowed for UCI for 4 years, and the PCRC's are
held up there every year (in 100+ degree heat!), so
he's spent a fair amount of time in that area. We
also have long time family friends who live in
that area. It never struck me as a crime infested
place, but I guess that impression was false.
Sure hope your nephew and his girl friend don't
suffer any residual effects.
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Any one know of these are available for the 34 model, and if so, where and how much? Thanks in advance.
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: Help posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 18:46:43:
Cody, Why don't you get a Beeman R9 or R7 until you get a little older. I really think your looking at airguns that will only upset you when you shoot them. A R9 will last you many years and with a tune you will never want to get rid of it!
Pepi
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In Reply to: Way off topic ... posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 23:34:00:
First, thanks for all the good thoughts from everyone.
They found the car. Unfortunately, he didn't get
word until the impound had closed, so he doesn't
know what shape it's in. That was a complete
surprise, 'cuz usually a carjacking means they were
after the car.
His wallet was found by a family a few miles away,
and all the cards, etc. were in it. The money was
missing, but he only had a dollar in it ... hey,
he's a Med student, what do you expect! :-)
Unfortunately they lost some high dollar school
related stuff that will have to be replaced ...
oh well.
Good thing about going to a Med. school is that
the necessary kind of doctors are available to
handle any residual effects. One never knows how
the mind will react.
The other student that was with him was treated
differently. The guy holding a gun on him told
him they didn't intend to hurt them, and to just
run. Unfortunately, my son didn't hear that from
his assailant.
Anyway, sounds like it's turning out way better
than any of us expected, less of course any residual
effects on the psyche.
We've majorly lucked out!
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In Reply to: Re: Bad Day At The Bench posted by bcd on August 25, 2000 at 17:33:58:
You'll both get better and I think it's probably a little more the gun's fault until well broken in. Vertical groups are usually a mechanical problem and a horizontal spread (not the case here) is normally caused by the shooter. I don't normaly use a rest but, when I do, my left is between the rest and gun which seems to work. Let us know what works for you.
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In Reply to: TAU-200 posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 25, 2000 at 17:10:03:
Tough to find anything better even at four times the cost.
My silohuette shooting jumped from 25 with a springer scoped to 48 with the Tau with peep sights.
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In Reply to: Re: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 25, 2000 at 14:23:34:
That's a great scope for the money.
I have one that's a backup for FT.
Shot straight pal.
Stocky
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In Reply to: Re: Are The Red Dot Scopes Prone To The Same Problems Of Regular Scopes On Springers?? posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 19:49:57:
Hey Russ, what gun do you have them on??
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In Reply to: I need help... posted by Daniel on August 25, 2000 at 14:48:24:
Daniel,
Consider Russ Best's suggestion.
I got an IZH-61 for my 10 year old, and he'll never be the same!
He absolutely loves it.
I do too!
Get one with confidence...
from Golden Toller.
$85.
Have fun,
Stocky
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In Reply to: Are The Red Dot Scopes Prone To The Same Problems Of Regular Scopes On Springers?? posted by McClure on August 25, 2000 at 19:44:59:
I have two and so far I've had no problems. The sights are aged 3 years and two years, respectively. One is a TF-96 from Compasseco and the other is a BSA 30mm tube Red Dot.(I like it the best). As with any Red Dot- you can get parallax error. The best thing to do is shoot them as you would a peep sight. Always make sure the dot is in dead center. Russ
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In Reply to: Re: did you get rid of the glasses and get contacts yet, how's darrin Mcgavin? posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 19:44:55:
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Do they hold a good zero even on Mag Springers,,are they prone to internal problems as are some regular scopes??
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In Reply to: did you get rid of the glasses and get contacts yet, how's darrin Mcgavin? posted by gene shepard on August 25, 2000 at 19:42:21:
What are you talking about? I don't wear glasses and I don't wear contacts. And who's Darrin Mcgavin??? ThanX! ;o}
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In Reply to: Gimme her phone number then. posted by peter huppertz on August 25, 2000 at 19:28:13:
I'm telling Janny ! She'll put that new Swift where the sun does NOT shine! he he RB
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In Reply to: Re: Get a hardy build with a supersoaker in 5 years maybe a red ryder bb rifle. posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 19:38:17:
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In Reply to: Does anyone " wire " money for their postal transactions? posted by Fearon Steele on August 25, 2000 at 16:33:09:
I have used PayPal when I wanted something quick and I like it a lot. It also allows you to use your credit card when the person you are buying from doesn't take credit cards. And in my personal opinion credit card is the safest way to buy on the internet.
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In Reply to: Get a supersoaker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by franklin w. dixon on August 25, 2000 at 19:27:39:
I already have one. And how am I suposed to get that annoying squirrel that eats my black berries?
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In Reply to: what's the best way to clean the barrel of a career?nt posted by gw on August 25, 2000 at 19:16:47:
Patchworm from me, slips right in the single pellet loading port on the right side. Works like a charm. $5.00 including shipping.
Marty
SSSports
I decided to play around with various main guides, tophats(front spring guides/piston weights/spacers) and assorted goodies that I've I;ve managed to accrue fron doing R&D tunes on numerous springers. The focal point of all this was my BSA Superstar(not a mark II)in .22. By noontime, I had put together a combo that fit rge factory spring fairly well( A tiny bit loose on the main guide) that included an experimental HW-97 tophat I had saved-- made from delrin. I did the requisite cleaning and relubing, then put her all back together. After 50 shots with 14.3 Premiers, it's Chronying at 705 fps. Gotta try some lighter pellets tomorrow- who knows, 775 fps may be attainable with Silver Bears or Hobbies! No loss in its excellent accuracy was noted either. All in all, for a mix and match tune- it turned out pretty dang good. It's got a bit more kick, but should be a real fine hunter, as the kick is totally linear and not jumpy at all. RB
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
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In Reply to: Get a hardy build with a supersoaker in 5 years maybe a red ryder bb rifle. posted by franklin w. dixon on August 25, 2000 at 19:32:34:
I alredy had a Red Ryder. And I might shoot my eye out.
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In Reply to: airgun classified ads posted by Paul J on August 25, 2000 at 19:02:31:
That happens to me often. I just keep going back every now and then and eventually the newest ads are there.
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In Reply to: You get one guess. Don't blow it. posted by peter huppertz on August 25, 2000 at 19:20:33:
Peter, if I get a Career I'll have my dad pump it for me. I can hold a double barrel 20 gauge for about 25 shots and hit about 23 out of the 25 shots. All offhand. And that gun is heavy. So weight is not a problem. And I would be using a rest most of the time. I want to get a good gun. I have a Daisy 880. I dislike it ALOT. It's very inaccurate. The barrel flexes WAY to much. So I'm looking for a gun that will last me 4 ever. And is accurate and powerful. And is not made completley out of plastic (like my 880, well almost all plastic). So that's why I want a TX200 or a Career. Peter, also why did you say: The TX200 is an adult airgun if there ever was one. I thought there was a real TX200. I am 99.9% sure.
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In Reply to: You get one guess. Don't blow it. posted by peter huppertz on August 25, 2000 at 19:20:33:
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In Reply to: Hey ! Watch it !! posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 19:26:55:
Yee, har.
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In Reply to: TX200??? posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 18:02:13:
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In Reply to: See? Even Russ likes it! posted by peter huppertz on August 25, 2000 at 19:13:06:
now that you mention it, I think I just got my twentieth gray hair!(only two more to go- heh heh) Just kidding- I have more hair than that. Just ask Martha. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Marksman Laserhawk Competition posted by Ron Y. on August 25, 2000 at 10:08:43:
I bought one of these laserhawk competition airguns for my son to learn proper sooting technique. I have to say that although it looks kinda cheesy, my son bud has had me watch him shoot large asprins mounted in closepins at about 20 yards. He is obviously a lot better shot than I am. I did find out rather quickly that the fibre optic wannabe sight is for the birds. I got out my dremel tool and cut the pink nightmare from the front sight mount leaving only the round hoops that held it in place. I then cut the rearward one off to allow him to use the small ring in front as sort of the front diopter. It sounds hokey, but it sure as hell made him shoot a lot better with it. I found that both he and I could pinpoint the center of a regulation NRA target much more precisely with the sight set up this way. If you try this, be aware that the little hoops are VERY fragile so cut with caution. The front sight is hooded so It is generally safe fron getting damaged by anything else. I also put a small screw thru the plastic base of the rear sight that rests on the very back of the reciever. This allows more elevation adjustment as well as steadies the rear sight. The gun has not malfunctioned at all since I bought it. Good luck and happy airgunning.
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In Reply to: dumb questions posted by Mike Lee on August 25, 2000 at 14:13:53:
FPE = Foot/Pound Energy.
Tim has already provided the correct formula (fps squared, multiply that by pellet weight in grains, and then divide the result by 450240, or in short: (fps^2 x pellet weight)/450240))
peter
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In Reply to: Re: Lubing springer pellets posted by Bubba on August 25, 2000 at 11:29:32:
Bubba: I admit it. You got way ahead of me in the pellet lube testing. This tuning and powerplant R&D takes up lots of time, so something had to fall by the wayside. Glad to see the STF Team is still chuggin' away at improvements. A B-96 eh? Been lookin' at one a those meself, but am having fun with a recently aquired Crosman 600 repeater. It sure makes those tomato paste cans dance ! After I have enough perforated 'mater paste cans , I'll sell them as Fiat fuel filters.
I can't find the heart to take away Nixxa's only telephone booth, even if it is plastered with Big Reds hiney ads. Repectfully-- Mork (oops!_ er- Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Best pellet shape to reduce drag.... posted by Uncle Gary on August 24, 2000 at 20:43:25:
Not so Gary, not even for .177 pellets only! The CP heavies get the nod there. Oh well, we all boot a grounder every now and then!;) --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: SUPERSOAKER???????????????????????????????? posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 19:07:24:
You cannot Axsor-pump a Career, and you cannot cock a TX200 and still keep a steady aim. Hell, with 4'7 and 130 lbs, even if someone else cocks it for you, you won't be able to keep it steady on offhand shots. The TX200 is an adult airgun if there ever was one, and the word adult means something here.
oh dammit, why do I even try?
You just get a 48, or a Beeman Kodiak for all I care. Damn you boy, go ahead, waste your money. I give up.
peter
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In Reply to: Re: I need help... posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 18:45:48:
... and he's got about 1427 years of airgun experience!
;-)
peter
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In Reply to: No rods for this gun- PERIOD ! posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 19:06:34:
Thanks a million !
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In Reply to: Way off topic ... posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 23:34:00:
My nephew was robbed at knifepoint the same day in Sacramento, CA. The two thugs also held a .38 revolver to the head of his girlfriend, I guess to make him think twice about resisting. Where is our society headed? Sigh.
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In Reply to: is the saver 7000 any good ?? posted by daisy on August 25, 2000 at 08:59:52:
I have a Golden Saver 700 and like it just fine. Powerful, and VERY similar in design to the Career. Word is that the same guy designed both guns. I don't jnow if that is true, but they certainly LOOK related. RB
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In Reply to: Re: skills... posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 18:33:07:
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In Reply to: SUPERSOAKER???????????????????????????????? posted by franklin w. dixon on August 25, 2000 at 19:03:25:
What's that mean??? I know what the water guns are but why did you type Supersoaker???
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In Reply to: BSA SUPERSTAR MK2 Air Rifle Accs for .22 posted by jukt on August 25, 2000 at 19:02:54:
The Crownsaver from Mac-1 or the Patchworm frim Silver Streak. Both are cheap (under ten bucks) and will do a great job, even with the rotary breech. The Beeman Zip kits also work, but are harder to deal with because of the curvature of the guns loading port. RB
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In Reply to: No, No, No, No, posted by Simon Slick on August 25, 2000 at 02:16:28:
Simon: that has worked for me also (mineral spirits). It seems to dry the blisters out pretty quickly. Seeing as how mineral spirits are a benzine compound and some folks get a nasty rash from from it(probably from defatted skin tissues), I don't recommend it for everyone. I believe benzines are listed carcinogens too. RB
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In Reply to: Help posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 18:46:43:
NT
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What kind of cleaning kit is best for my (soon) new superstar .22 ?
What esle will I need ?
thanks again -jukt
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I'm not getting any ads with todays date. Is this normal? I hit refresh and it didn't change.
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In Reply to: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Omer on August 25, 2000 at 06:45:08:
The career .22 is my favorite.I love it because there are so many things you can do to and with it and it always turns out great no matter what.
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In Reply to: Re: Make fun of Wilma all you want, but leave Betty alone. nt. posted by bcd on August 25, 2000 at 02:47:20:
Mike Pearson, President of the June Cleaver Fan Club
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In Reply to: WD-40 MSDS- no DMSO posted by DougWall on August 25, 2000 at 08:15:09:
Doug: MSDS sheets do not to have disclose all compounds found in a product, and should not be considered a chemical breakdown of any product. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Career 707 (carbine and Long rifle) my two! (NT) posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 09:57:47:
That's great Swinson,although I thought you was Stalker pcp man.Later
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Gary: your latest e-mail to me got deleted accidently. Could you please resend? RB
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In Reply to: Armor plated crow? posted by steve d. on August 25, 2000 at 07:48:48:
the H-point hit the fearthers. 22lr have been known to bounce off the wing fearthers of crows at long range..try round nose\Domes
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In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Jon van Ark on August 25, 2000 at 08:02:58:
Thank you for the compliments. As far as the archive, that's entirely in Edith's hands but she will do it when the time is right for her.
As far as the RX-1 is concerned, aside from pcp's, this is one of the finest hunting airguns ever made! I prefer it in .20 but .22 is a good caliber for it too. I am aware of the downrange figures of SS and they are helpful. But energy figures, no matter how accurate they are do NOT tell you, in and of themselves, how deep the pellet will penetrate, how big the wound channel will be, how much expansion a given hollowpoint will get (or fail to get) because of it's construction. It's a starting point and SS is to be commended for providing it. Use it as PIECE of the puzzle for pellet performance. As you shoot and test different pellets for different applications, what I am saying will make even more sense to you than it might now. Thanks again for the very nice words. ---- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: homegrown Career speedloader posted by JS on August 25, 2000 at 12:18:44:
jack you makin fun of my specklin? err spillin, umm spelling?
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In Reply to: Thanks and more...... posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 25, 2000 at 15:24:29:
Thank you for your informative post.I am new to airgunning and had the same conern as T Moench.I always wash my hands after handling pellets and am conscious not to put them near my mouth/nose during and after shooting.
The candle issue has me more concerned now than the pellet issue.My wife burns candles often in our house.How can I determine if the wicks contain lead?Must I get them tested?Does a patient simply need to ask for a lead test from a lab or must he/she go through a doc's shop first?
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I'm having trouble deciding what gun I want. A Career 707 in .22 cal. or a TX200 in .22 cal. It's confusing. Please help. :D
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In Reply to: I need help... posted by Daniel on August 25, 2000 at 14:48:24:
Danliel: I can recommend the IZH-61 if you want a spring powered gun, and the Crosman 2260 if you like co2 power. The advantage the Izh-61 has is that it's quieter, more accurate, better trigger, looks way cool! It's main disadvantage is that it's not high powered (may be just what you parents want!). Both guns are great fun to shoot but your buddy's will get 'drop jaw' when they see a -61. Regards, Russ Best
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In Reply to: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 18:11:43:
N/T
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In Reply to: Crosman Premiers=Dirty Bore? posted by Joe G. on August 25, 2000 at 18:28:50:
yep. if you hang here youll see lots of howto posts on cleaning the CPs thats why FT shooter lube the pellets with FP-10, slick 50. and now pledge or finishline dry for spring guns
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In Reply to: Thanks for the advice, and my appology posted by Mastek on August 25, 2000 at 09:48:40:
Thank you for the gracious, classy post!
We have some people whose backgrounds, shooting and otherwise I think you'd fine interesting. We have (and have had) tournament shooters (FT and target), military snipers, and others whose experience in shooting is beyond the "norm".
As far as guns and accuracy are concerned, I think you would agree that the accuracy of most guns most definitely exceeeds the skill level of most shooters. Put the same gun in the hands of someone who really KNOWS how to shoot and the results can be seemingly miraculous!
Yes, sea gulls (one of I least favorite of all wildlife) are federally protected and this forum is monitored by different agencies so we try to let newcomers know that it's in their (and our for that matter) best interest to be very circumspect in our posts. NOT pc mind you, but just circumspect.
Perhaps you could provide some article/posts on marksmanship and the training that goes into making a trained tournament shooter. Believe me, you'd have ALOT of readers who'd be EXTREMELY interested including one diehard hunter who goes by Mr.P. heh,heh!
You can go to the main page and create a new post on anything airgun related. Posts on marksmanship training are ALWAYS welcome! We'd more than grateful for your efforts (and I'm sure ole Mike would agree with me on this too!). --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Note to self: posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 18:35:47:
ouch, lol..bet that hurt ..cost or weight wise
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Never stockpile lead at a house you KNOW you are going to move from!
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: How good are Slavia Airguns? posted by Tyler on August 25, 2000 at 18:31:55:
I had a 631 for several years. Quite accurate actually. Rather large and long for it's power output. Good backyard plinker and tunable , RB
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In Reply to: Re: The brown/red Santa came today. posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 25, 2000 at 14:00:27:
First impressions are in -- see above.
I doubt if I can get Janny to post on any forum, but I know that she will be trying to hammer an English-language email together for you somewhere over the weekend. Her English is not in the same league as mine, but she'll be able to get across what she wants to say.
peter
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In Reply to: skills... posted by hmm on August 25, 2000 at 18:31:03:
Skills are: fitness, training and tons of practice. Not to mention a good sense of timing and focus. RB
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I am looking at a Slavia 630 or 631. Can someone tell me how good these things are? I have read reviews on them but I would like to hear more from different people. Thanks for any help.
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In Reply to: TX200??? posted by Cody Dotter on August 25, 2000 at 18:02:13:
Yes, they are accurate and come in .22. Go to the Airguns of Arizona or Pomona Airguns sites. RB
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this might be a stupid question but what skills do an expert marksman hold? besides all the ballistics and all that stuff, is it how still he/she holds the gun properly on target? thanx.
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In Reply to: The brown/red Santa came today. posted by peter huppertz on August 25, 2000 at 12:19:11:
... are mainly in the league of "Gawd, I love this thing".
I've been playing too much to really form myself a good opinion that can be verbalised. I do know that it rangefinds well, MUCH better than the 6-18x44 over distances between 30 and 50 yards. Clarity and brightness is excellent.
Also, my first impression is that the sharpness is not in the same laser-cutting league as the 669MTA.
This may be due to two things:
1. I'm an idiot and have a bad visual memory, or
2. my 669MTA is an exceptionally good sample, or
3. the smaller depth of field is playing tricks on me.
I hope it will turn out to be the latter when I really put it to the test tomorrow.
I have always commented on the 669MTA as being incredibly sharp, and since I had that one, I have been disappointed in any other scope up to $350 I looked through. Yet, up to this point, I would request EVERYBODY, including myself, to take my remark about the sharpness with a grain of salt, since Uncle Gary, who also owns both scopes, didn't report this.
I am going to buy meself a set of high mounts tomorrow, so that I can get the 669MTA on the HW97k (where it is really tailor-made for) and do a heads-on comparison.
Another mild irritation is that the AO ring doesn't turn as smoothly as the 669's AO ring. This may be a matter of it still having to be "ran in". I remember having a bit of a hassle with that when I first started to use the 669MTA initially, and I also note that, as I went on, I either got used to it, or it sort of settled in. When I turn it around now, as I write this, it seems to be smoother than when it just got outta the box. I will do a heads-on comparison with Janny's scope, which is still virgin, tomorrow.
The turrets give an even more nicely positive feedback that is similar to the turrets of the 669MTA. I don't know about the repeatability yet. These seem to be different from the turret design on the 669MTA, so I WILL have to retest.
Janny will be around for the better part of the day tomorrow. She will see the Tasco 6-24x40 going off her Shamal, and her Swift go on. She has already had her first peek through the Swift, and I *know* that nothing is going to get her gun out of her hands for the rest of the day once that Swift is on there. The Tasco is just blown out of the water completely in each and every respect (clarity, sharpness, brightness, rangefinding, weight, user-friendlyness).
I also have a feeling that Redroof, who is the owner of the B&L Elite 4200 that I have been comparing the 669MTA with on a couple occasions, will be a bit pissed when he sees this scope.
More useful info will certainly surface tomorrow.
cheers,
peter
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I am just getting into FT and air rifle silhouette. I have heard rumours that Premiers leave more residue in the bore necessitating cleaning. I am more familiar with 10 meter pistol where this not a major concern with the match pellets. Any thoughts or experiences? Thanks.
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becomes the post was waay down the page i felt a post farther up was in order.
seems i have overstated my reply to the "Flying rat at 70yrds with a P1" post. i was unaware that you were into long range firearms shooting. if anyone could hit a gull at 70yrds it might be you.
one reason i posted, the way i did. is over the last yr we have had about 12 kids with some unbeleavabel posts. like 100yrd 1" groups, with a biathlon trainer.(a $50 gun at best) when i saw your post i wrongly assumed, it was another post from a nother 12yr old bragging kid. i got a little annoying by it. becomes i thought it was a nother wasted post. and, because ive had a 5mm P1 for 13+ yrs. and know what i can do with it..
last time willeyM and i went shooting, i was able to hit a 3" shoot N see sticker from 20+ yards in wind, after 5 sight in shots..
i was amazed i hit it! If you had a scope i guess 70yrds might work but it would be one BIG arc.if it was open sights yer eyes are better then mine. but as you shoot long range, it might be more true then i thought..we all have fibbed on this website, and do tell some fish stories..
when i saw it, i assumed the worst and ripped into you,i should have held jedgment. and could have had more tacked. and for that im sorry. i guess i channeled LD when he forgot his fiber :)
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In Reply to: 707 posted by Mac1 on August 24, 2000 at 21:56:55:
Thanks Mac1! <;o)
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In Reply to: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Omer on August 25, 2000 at 06:45:08:
I have to say that the Career 707 long rifle is awesome. Especially
since I've installed a Ateam regulator! 1.5" groups at 75 yards are
commonplace with this rifle now. Of course, my Daystate Huntsman II
from Rodney Boyce just came in today.............
Charlie
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In Reply to: Armor plated crow? posted by steve d. on August 25, 2000 at 07:48:48:
What caliber?
Charlie
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In Reply to: I need help... posted by Daniel on August 25, 2000 at 14:48:24:
Hi Daniel.
You've had the best advice a few times already: get a gun with what they call a rifled barrel.
A rifled barrel is a barrel with rifling in it (spiraling grooves through the inside of the barrel). This type of barrel is NOT fit to shoot BB's, but it will shoot pellets with superior accuracy.
A pellet is a special airgun projectile, usually the shape of a diabolo, almost invariably made of lead. It's a lot more accurate than a BB, and also a lot less dangerous, because, as BB's have a nasty habit of ricochetting (which has led to the infamous phrase "you'll shoot yer eye out, son!"), the pellet will just splat against a hard surface.
Therefore, airguns that shoot pellets are sometimes called pellet rifles, and as such placed higher in the food chain than the so-called BB guns.
The best example of a low-budget, excellenty accurate, very good triggered and easy to use airgun is the IZH-60 and its multi-shot brother the IZH-61 that Joe Matusic mentioned. I myself would prefer the IZH 60, because of the hassle of the multishot version (which it shares with many multishots way up in the price range).
While the Daisy may quickly bore you -- when you learn to shoot it may appear to be not as accurate -- the IZH60 and 61 are among the favourite airguns of seasoned airgunners 5 times your age.
The biggest advantage of the IZH I can think of apart from its astounding accuracy and trigger quality is its low weight and its low cocking effort. Also, in the USA this air rifle is incredibly inexpensive.
If you can stretch your budget that way, it would in my opinion be the best choice -- you'd be likely to love it for decades.
peter
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How much are TX200's? Do they come in .22 cal? I've heard they are very accurate. Is this true? ThanX! ;)
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I have an old .22 cal pellet gun that says "Benjamin Franklin" on it.
Can anyone tell me anything about the gun?
I have looked on the internet and can only find Benjamin/Sheridan. Is this the same company?
Can you still buy the Benjamin Franklin guns?
If so, where?
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In Reply to: Do Bulk CO2 bottles have vavles so you can take then off if you dont use all the gas? posted by Josh P. on August 25, 2000 at 17:09:16:
In theory they all can - in theory. The big industrial jobs have a valve like any other industrial tanks. Paintball tanks (and that's really what were talking about here) are set up like propane bottles or the inner tube on a bicycle. They can be unscrewed and a valve in the end will close. You will lose some gas as it does this, but thats the way they work.
The 3 1/2 oz. Tank I got from Mac 1 has an on/off valve on it. You can (you have to actually) shut it off before you remove it (no matter how your using it - as a tank or as a filler only). It does have the same threads as a regular tank - it just has the valve. I don't know if the other sizes he carries have this or not, but the valve is nice. You will have to email him and ask.
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Re: Bad Day At The Bench posted by Matt Donovan on August 24, 2000 at 22:30:31:
Matt, I tried to blame "break-in", but from day one
the velocity has been very consistent. This means
the only thing that can further "break-in" is,
perhaps, smoothness of the firing dynamics. Well,
I just don't detect that to be changing a whole
lot. Still, I'll sure never say "Never". So, I
continue to shoot the darn thing in hopes that one
of us, me or the gun, gets better :-)
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In Reply to: Re: RWS 6M rear sight posted by Driskill on August 25, 2000 at 17:22:30:
Thanks for the quick reply! I just tried it and that's the way. I purchased the pistol used and did not receive a manual. Thanks again!
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In Reply to: Do Bulk CO2 bottles have vavles so you can take then off if you dont use all the gas? posted by Josh P. on August 25, 2000 at 17:09:16:
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In Reply to: RWS 6M rear sight posted by DrewS on August 25, 2000 at 17:19:14:
It's been a long time, but I think you just remove the elevation wheel. You have to hold the sight down against the pressure of the elevation spring to put it back, but that's easy to do.
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In Reply to: Re: Havin Extreme Trouble Deciding......don't forget the QB78 posted by Jason on August 25, 2000 at 15:28:32:
Jason,
It really comes down to what your main use of the gun will be. If your main use will be hunting, I'd suggest the QB-78 in .22 caliber, because the CO2 cost won't be that high considering one doesn't really make all that many shots in a day. If the primary use is plinking and target shooting, you'll be making a lot more shots with it and CO2 cost might be a factor to consider. In that case I'd get the XSB18 springer from Fun Supply; no CO2 to buy, and the gun is well built, accurate, and fairly powerful. Another point: it doesn't cost any more than the QB78 or 1760 either. HTH. Cheers!
Unc
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I need information on properly installing a rear sight on a RWS 6M pistol. There is a small screw hole under the elevation wheel, what's the proper way to "uncover" the screw hole in order to install the sight on the pistol. Thanks.
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In Reply to: Re: Sad times ... posted by Tir on August 25, 2000 at 08:10:19:
Thanks for the thoughts, Tim. You're right, that
sort of thing frequently ends badly. They were
very fortunate that it wasn't much worse.
Needless to say, it doesn't leave old mom and dad
with a good feeling about life in those parts!
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In Reply to: Anschutz 34 magnum??? posted by Darin on August 25, 2000 at 16:02:43:
I just got an Anschutz 35 Magnum..
Tom L.
If anyone owns one of the se Czech CO2 rifles please let me know the pros and cons of the package. I'm looking for something to get me into a league. How are the sights? Is the trigger adjustable? What is the stock like, is it adjustable for length of pull? Where are they available? Any comments are appreciated. Thanks
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That may be a stpuid question...
Thanks-Josh P.
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In Reply to: Re: Some WD-40 info. posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 00:46:19:
Screwed up the potato gun bizz for a little while. Feel like a fool buying hairspray now. Later, Brent.
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In Reply to: i know its airsoft, but i cant find any airsoft forums so u guys will have to do, any help is much appritiated thanx (nt) posted by azzer on August 25, 2000 at 16:30:59:
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In Reply to: Does anyone " wire " money for their postal transactions? posted by Fearon Steele on August 25, 2000 at 16:33:09:
No fee for using PayPal, don't know if it's available out of US. You have a account with positive balance or you can use credit card.
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In Reply to: Airguns BCE posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:44:00:
nt
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In Reply to: I NEED SPECS ON MY CROSMAN 1400!! posted by Mike Slaker on August 25, 2000 at 11:55:40:
Get Dean Fletcher's book(s) on Crosman guns for the info you need. For basic specs, use 10 pumps max for longevity to the gun. This should give in the mid to high 600's with Crosman Premiers. Lots of power, but bad trigger and sights. Not sure about the scope mounts though. Good luck!
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In Reply to: Used to live there, might be able to help posted by Harvey on August 25, 2000 at 04:56:05:
Thanks Harv ... will E-mail.
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This is a military look like rifle , made
by airarms , is this any good ?
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In Reply to: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Omer on August 25, 2000 at 06:45:08:
Price, performance, the Career is a hands down winner. You just get too much for your money!
MarkD
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In Reply to: Re: Where R U? posted by Dwight C on August 25, 2000 at 16:22:32:
... you're asking someone who knows less than you! :)
interestingly, I have found that the further out into the boonies you go, the more likely the Crappy Tires and Wal-Marts are to have gun stuff...
regards, Brian
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In Reply to: Re: RWS Model 6G Pistol posted by Driskill on August 25, 2000 at 13:40:56:
..RWS could have easily lost the front hooded sight for a ramp-style one. The pistol would have been 10M legit, easier to transport and holster without increasing cost of production!
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Just curious. Why should I pay big bucks to have a money-order sent Expresspost or next-day delivery? There must be a quicker, less expensive method in this day and age. What is "pay pal" what are their middle man fees?
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In Reply to: Should they have used airguns instead? posted by Douglas on August 25, 2000 at 11:40:16:
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In Reply to: That would be AirSoft- Generally not us. NT posted by DougWall on August 25, 2000 at 16:25:34:
nt
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In Reply to: homegrown Career speedloader posted by Jack Stinson on August 25, 2000 at 08:50:32:
na
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In Reply to: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Omer on August 25, 2000 at 06:45:08:
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In Reply to: Re: dumb questions posted by Tir on August 25, 2000 at 14:27:08:
PCP guns are very high pressure (3000 psi) compared to CO2 (~800 psi), and are therefore generally higher velocity and higher FPE.
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In Reply to: Daisy 747 manual posted by Mark er on August 25, 2000 at 13:34:33:
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In Reply to: Re: Well, sort of... posted by Rolo101 on August 25, 2000 at 15:12:12:
...and besides, I think you overestimate the cylinder gap problem. I know that one of dad's .38 Special loads, when fired out of a 4" barrelled Ruger Security Six, and a MAXIMIM shot to shot deviation of less than 15 fps. Cylinder gaps are less of an issue than you think.
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In Reply to: bb paintball posted by azzer on August 25, 2000 at 16:21:05:
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In Reply to: Where R U? posted by Brian E on August 25, 2000 at 13:21:19:
I've never seen any gun 'stuff' at Canadian Tire here in the Lower Mainland of BC either. This is tree hugger country! Guns are bad things!
Brian,
Are their any indoor ranges which cater to air gunners here on the lower mainland?
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In Reply to: The brown/red Santa came today. posted by peter huppertz on August 25, 2000 at 12:19:11:
I bet that scope would even be better if it were attached to a Career hehe
MarkD
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is there a cheap bb gun capeable of fireing the 6mm paintballs?
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In Reply to: Re: There are claims that...... posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 02:00:32:
Really! ... used to get poison ivy so bad I would scrub it all open and douse it with the stuff. Hurt like hell - but was better than the incessant itching. Sometime's a guy's just gotta' do what a guy's gotta' do)
I've since been told that this can be dangerous -and Toxic! ... so I'm not advising this approach. Alcohol will due the same thing with less risk (though still as much pain ;)
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: There are claims that...... posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 02:00:32:
Really! ... used to get poison ivy so bad I would scrub it all open and douse it with the stuff. Hurt like hell - but was better than the incessant itching. Sometime's a guy's just gotta' do what a guy's gotta' do)
I've since been told that this can be dangerous -and Toxic! ... so I'm not advising this approach. Alcohol will due the same thing with less risk (though still as much pain ;)
Tim
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Anyone heard of this model Anschutz? whats the accuracy like? whats it worth in good condition?? thanks
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I have a Beeman s-1,and crossman 1077. I have some fruit rats i need to eliminate. Need advice on shooting in low light such as laser sights or spotlights?
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In Reply to: Would a bushnell sportview 1.5x4.5x32 shotgun... posted by Greg S on August 25, 2000 at 00:26:27:
I have the Simmons 1.5-5x20 shotgun scope on my HW-30. It does not have paralex adj on it but at the lower power it is OK at 10 yds and from 20 out it is great. It is a shotgun scope with para set at 50 yds. It is not airgun rated and I know I am taking a chance that it might fail but after 500 rounds its still ok and Simmons has a lifetime warrenty. It is just a light plinking and fun gun so I am not too worried about it and the scope is small and compact in keeping with the guns design. You might also look at the crossbow scopes. They are meant for close in use and I belive Simmons makes one with the lifetime warrenty also.
Sam
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In Reply to: I need help... posted by Daniel on August 25, 2000 at 14:48:24:
I can remember the feeling when I got permission to get my first airgun. The reading and research to find the perfect one is very exciting. If you are in the same boat I was when I was 12 you budget is going to be limited. I do suggest you look at the Crosman lineup before you make your final decision though. When I got my first it was a Crosman 760 and my brother got a Dasiy. His was smooth bore and mine was rifled. That was in 1966 and I assume the 760 still has a rifled barrel. I could shoot circles around him. You could watch his BBs or pellets arc off to the right or left and he quickly got tired of not hitting the smaller targets as we got better. I still have that 760 but my brothers rifle was gone a few years after he bought it. You can still stay under 40 dollars or so and get a decent rifled barrel gun from Crosman. You wont regret it.
Sam
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In Reply to: Re: Havin Extreme Trouble Deciding......don't forget the QB78 posted by James L on August 25, 2000 at 14:46:02:
Well, the only place I can get the 78 charges extreme prices, and I can get the 1760 and the 78 for the same price.
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In Reply to: Any safety issue in exposure to lead from pellets? posted by T Moench on August 25, 2000 at 14:19:13:
Thanks to you both for the link.
Lead is as safe as anything when handled safely. My article goes over the risks and safe handling procedures. I have had my lead level checked and it was undetectable, but I am very strick about following the safety rules. I have also checked my 2 and 5 year old daughter's lead levels and they were undetectable also. I don't shoot into metal traps and the girls have shot with me frequently. I do not allow them to handle the lead pellets as their hands go to their mouths often.
I did have one patient test high for lead on a finger stick lead test. It turned out the patient was handling lead pellets the morning before the check up. He failed to wash his hands before we did his finger stick and we even cleaned his finger with an alcohol pad before the prick. When we performed a blood lead level (drew blood from elbow area) his level was undetectable also.
Regarding lead alternatives: they don't appear to be as accurate and are expensive. I haven't seen enough about the Dynamic Promethius (? right name) lead alternative pellet, but they sound promising.
I have not seen an elevated lead level on any airgunner to date, but I doubt if any have checked their levels. I have seen numerous posts about shooting into metal traps indoors and it alarms me. Currently we have a frequent cause of lead poisoning in kids you would never think of. Some candles have lead wires in the wicks to hold up the wick so it doesn't fall into the liquid wax as it burns. From what I have read, all of these wicks contain from 70-80% lead. The lead vaporizes at the candle burns. In one reference I saw, after a couple burned 2 lead wicked candles per day for 6 months, the dust in the house contained an alarmingly high level of lead. I think the level was 40mcg/sq ft or something like that. We did have one child get lead from this manner in our practice. His lead level was 26 and we hospitalize at 30.
Again, lead is as safe as anything. Don't throw out the lead or give up airguns, just follow simple quidelines and you will be safe.
In Reply to: I need help... posted by Daniel on August 25, 2000 at 14:48:24:
I would generally agree with the posts below. A gun with a rifled barrel would probably be a better choice for accuracy reasons. I would also suggest that you, and your dad, take a gun safety course together. If your dad is already a shooter, it would still be a good father/son activity. Have fun and shoot safely!
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In Reply to: No, No, No, No, posted by Simon Slick on August 25, 2000 at 02:16:28:
You sure you don't have to light the gasoline too? [GRIN!] Hey, scratch that one, it was just a joke!
Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Crosman 262 posted by johnooh on August 25, 2000 at 15:02:16:
ah, thanks! the small stock is probably ok for me anyway.
$50 US right? The one here is about $100 Canadian, which is what in US, about 10 cents? ;)
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In Reply to: Well, sort of... posted by scot on August 25, 2000 at 12:12:00:
A vise is not gonna help. Problem is inconsistency by propelling the pellet through the magazine into the barrel. Sometimes lots of co2 are spilled out, sometimes less. Maybe you can get a bunch of very accurate shots, even a 1 hole at 10 Yds, consistantly not.
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In Reply to: The brown/red Santa came today. posted by peter huppertz on August 25, 2000 at 12:19:11:
;-)
Unc
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In Reply to: I need help... posted by Daniel on August 25, 2000 at 14:48:24:
You write pretty well for a 11 year. There are a few things to think about regarding your age. First, can you cock the gun. Most of the youth model Crosman and daisy guns should be easy enough, especially the single pump ones. The multipump pneumatics (which give higher power) are harder to cock after the first few pumps). Its a little tricky to learn to shoot from open sights, therefore you may want to get one that can accept a red dot scope or a regular scope. I think most of the ones made by the above fit that bill. Next is the skill level. Firing an airgun accurately takes experience that you will soon be getting. If you wanted a gun to learn on then move up, you appear to have made a good choice. If you want to grow with this gun, then you may outgrow it sometime in the near future. In that case you may want to spend a little more for a IZH-61 or even the marksman break barrel that Walmart sells (I think its the 35). break barrels are harder to cock though. The IZH-61 is easy to cock, very accurate, futuristic, has a fair peep sight and open slot sight, extra parts, the stock can adjust with you as you grow and it has a match style trigger. They are available for about $80 mail order. See the web links part of this site for Golden Toller, et al.
Also you may want to check you state and local laws regarding restrictions on where and when you can fire the gun.
In Reply to: I need help... posted by Daniel on August 25, 2000 at 14:48:24:
Daniel: The Daisy 840 would be on par with say Crosman's 760 and close to others. They shoot BBs so they're not going to be very accurate but they will be fine for can plinking out to 15-20 yds - CAUTION: watch out for bounching BBs. They will be cheap to shoot. It's your call here. You didn't mention how much you have to spend on this venture. If bucks are tight and you like the 840, go for it.
There are several nice (and many so so) rifled pellet shooting rifles out there that you could handle (though pellets cost more than BBs). If you can reach the $100-120 mark you can get into one them. There's no point in buying a $35 cheapo when getting something better will last you for years. It won't take long to pick up the basics and then you be ready for something better anyway in a few weeks.
Without a budget it hard to advise any further. Good luck...
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Re: FT PCP choices posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 21:31:44:
I wasn't sure which one had the biggest reservoir.
And I assumed he'd be shooting the FT rifle more often than the Career. Shootn' 50 shots with the Career would be a lot of shots. You're just starting to warm up with 50 shots during FT practice.
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In Reply to: Re: 262 posted by Brian E on August 25, 2000 at 13:51:58:
brian,
mine is very accurate. i shoot one hole groups at 25 ft. until i had the 2260 barrel tweeked by mac1 it was my favorite basement gun. it shoots in the 500 - 550 fps depending on ammo. mine really likes the meisters. i have topped it with a simmons 4 x 32 proair. nice combo. you can easily add a stop screw to the trigger too. Oh BTW the 'Y' stands for youth model, the stock is a bit smaller than the adult version. If they don't want more than say $50 i'd snap it up.
john
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Hi,
My name is Daniel, and I am a boy of eleven from upstate New York. My father and I are considering a Airgun for me. I have done much research on different models, and I have come to rest on a Daisy Model 840 Grizzly. I am not really looking for a high-performance Airgun, due to my age and skill level. I really like this model, but if you could help me out a little with a nice, quality Airgun (prefretabally pretty easy to find) it would be very much appreciated, thanks!
Sincerely,
Daniel M.
In Reply to: I've had this problem aswell posted by GMackeddie on August 25, 2000 at 11:40:18:
Depends on the gun. You are correct when shooting something like the 34, but that does NOT apply to all guns. The .22 Career with the Crow mag pellet leaves one inch holes in a Crow at 30 yards.
Crows are tough. Especially the fact that the dense feathers act as a cushion and springboard when the pellet hits.
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: Havin Extreme Trouble Deciding...... posted by Jason on August 25, 2000 at 14:32:42:
Its an accurate, powerful, steel and wood gun also any decent scope will do. Springers of any type will be harder on scopes. The QB is one of the best buys today.
James L
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
n/t
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In Reply to: Havin Extreme Trouble Deciding...... posted by Jason on August 25, 2000 at 14:32:42:
Forgot to mention that the 1077 is also a viable choice.
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In Reply to: Re: dumb questions posted by Tir on August 25, 2000 at 14:27:08:
Found it.
fpe= pellet wt times velocity squared, divided by 450240.
There's an online calculator for this at the URL below also.
Tim
In Reply to: Re: a press and forty posted by Jack Stinson on August 25, 2000 at 09:45:09:
great tip, jack! about the wife ....
john
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In Reply to: Any safety issue in exposure to lead from pellets? posted by T Moench on August 25, 2000 at 14:19:13:
Lead is a nasty, cumulative poison. Avoid metal traps indoors. Avoid eating or any activities that get your hands near your mouth while shooting. Wash well after handling pellets.
See Dr. Joe Matusic's site below for more info on hazards.
In Reply to: Any safety issue in exposure to lead from pellets? posted by T Moench on August 25, 2000 at 14:19:13:
Doc Matusic has an article pertaining to this on his site at the URL below.
Tim
I’m having trouble which gun I should get. I’m planning to mount a scope on the gun I purchase. I’m a young guy lookin for an accurate, easy to use gun. The guns I have lined up, so far, are a QB-88, a B-7, a Crosman 1760, and maybe a IZH 61. Will I have mount a more expensive scope on the Chinese springs, because of the recoil? Will the co2 usage really cost me a lot. I assume the IZH 61 and 1760 are safer considering I don’t have to load a pellet into the breech with my fingers. I heard there are a few problems mounting scopes on the 88, is there a problem like that on the b-7. Can I mount a scope on the 1760. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
Russ,not only are you always there to help us, you have some of the best ideas and the willingness to share them with all. Having more recources on the sport we all love available to us by seeing some of its earlier roots is one of the coolest things anyone could do. I wouldn't be surprised if people give you stuff for this that you never saw before. I wish I could meet you, man.
Yer 'Bro in airarms,
Harv
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In Reply to: dumb questions posted by Mike Lee on August 25, 2000 at 14:13:53:
Thumbnail description - others may provide more details:
PCP stands for Pre-Charged Pneumatic. These guns use compressed air the propellent. This air is stored and compressed in a chamber either by using a hand pump (sililar to a bicycle pump) or is filled from a SCUBA tank.
CO2 guns work on the same principle but use compressed carbon dioxide gas instead of air. Usually in the form of small bottles either installed in, or attached to the gun.
Spring guns use the energy of a compressed spring, which when released, compresses a column of air at the front of it which propels the projectile (pellet).
fpe = foot pounds of energy. The energy of a given mass travelling at a given velocity, calculated by a formula (which escapes me at present- I'm sure someone will fill it in ;).
hth,
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Stocky on August 25, 2000 at 13:12:19:
Hi Stocky,
Yep, it's all set up and shooting well. The scope on the Career is a Simmons 6X18X40 Proair.
Later,
Wayne
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Does anyone know of information about whether lead pellets result in significant lead exposure (from handling pellets, or from spatter or vaporization of pellets striking metal pellet trap backstops? Have blood lead levels ever been measured in airgun enthusiasts?
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In Reply to: Recoilless M52 RWS posted by William slagal on August 24, 2000 at 21:20:08:
The Brownell's catalog lists such a recoil reduction device. It's main purpose is for "trap" model shotguns.
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hi i was wondering if anyone knew where i can get an owners manual or a copy of one for this gun? any help would be great!!
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What is a PCP gun? What's the difference between that and a CO2 or spring gun?
What does fpe stand for? I know fps is feet per second, but I've never heard of fpe.
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In Reply to: Anyone from Va respond inside!! posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 10:37:22:
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I was speaking to a state biologist the other day and one of the questions I asked him was what to do with all the dead starlings.
He said to call your local zoo or rehabber. Most of the time they will be happy to take these birds to feed their raptors. I called a small local zoo about 30 miles from the house and sure enough, they want them.
I guess it costs them a good chunck to money to feed them frozen dove. The keeper at the zoo voiced a slight concern about the lead pellets but I use pointed pellets that ice pick through the bird anyway. He said that they have an xray unit similar to the ones in airports and that they would just run the birds through that. Way cool I get to help the environment and the zoo all at the same time.
Also if you know anyone who is into hunting with falcons, im sure that they would love them also. I cant tell you how thrilled my wife is about the fact that the freezer in the garage will be filled with starlings but what the heck. We are getting free zoo passes for the kids out of it.
Im going to add a better composed version of this information to the site in the near future. Heck, I may even use spell check. LOL.
Happy Shooting
Steve
In Reply to: Career 707 (carbine and Long rifle) my two! (NT) posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 09:57:47:
The more I shoot my .25 long rifle and my .22 Carbine the more impressed I become. It isn't fancy, has some poorly designed wood, but as far as shooting goes, it is one AWESOME gun for the money.
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: The brown/red Santa came today. posted by peter huppertz on August 25, 2000 at 12:19:11:
Your welcome Peter! Give us a report when you get in from shooting if you would be so kind.
Would like to hear from Janny too.
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: Re: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by Jackie Collins on August 24, 2000 at 22:56:49:
NT
In Reply to: I NEED SPECS ON MY CROSMAN 1400!! posted by Mike Slaker on August 25, 2000 at 11:55:40:
Crosman will provide you a photocopy of the booklet that came with it no charge. Send them an email request..
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In Reply to: Re: 262 posted by Jack Stinson on August 25, 2000 at 07:34:50:
Thanks for the info, the gun I saw had 262Y stamped on the barrel, and a funny yellow label saying: "To cock gun, pull out two (notches?)" next to the knob. The box also said 600 fps(or something) but I don't know if I should believe that or not...
.22 cal might be nice, but there's real slim pickings around here for .22s (not to mention ammo), so I think I'll stick with .177.
If this 262 is "detuned" will decreased velocity affect how accurate the gun is? One website said it was pretty accurate, and I wouldn't like to buy it if that's not neccessarily true anymore.
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In Reply to: DRY FIRING WEBLY TEMPEST posted by MATT G on August 24, 2000 at 22:17:56:
The Tempest is supposed to shoot in the low to mid 400's with light pellets. Be sure the gun is properly lubed and then chrono it to see if something is really wrong before dismantling it.
It's possible the spring is just worn out, which eventually happens to all springers. The piston seal may not even be damaged, as it is very tough.
It is relatively cheap and easy to work on the Tempest. For a complete rebuild you only need to replace the spring, piston seal (a snap-on fit to the piston), and the breech seal (the snap-in rubber doodad that the rear of the barrel sits against when closed).
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Thank you to those of you who helped me figure out what kind of gun this is. It is an Em-Ge, with original cherry stock with a break barrel. It is in really great shape with no rust, scratches, or tampering. I just need to know what a gun like this is worth because I may be willing to sell it depending on value. Thanx again.
-Brian
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In Reply to: RWS Model 6 G Pistol posted by RON on August 25, 2000 at 09:28:55:
I had one years ago which I sold and would like to have back! The Diana Giss-system double-piston guns are amongst the all-time great classic airgun designs, and are almost gone the way of the dodo.
I have to agree with Fearon though, the 6G just got too expensive to compete with the ergonomically superior Gamo, Tau, and IZH entry-level pistols. A shame but such is progress.
I also had a 6M for awhile, but I had problems with this gun shooting very high at 10 meters. I never understood how its low front sight (from the top-of-the-line model 10) and high rear sight (same as the 5G and 6G) were supposed to work together, and in my case they didn't!
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In Reply to: Re: Questions (Cr 262, 1077 Crappy Tire Crosmans) posted by Dave N on August 25, 2000 at 10:30:58:
Thanks Dave, but why would firing BBs ruin the barrel? Crosman's website says you can fire them.
Following your reasoning, I'm hoping that "SB" means "silver burnished"... I should check.
Now I'm thinking that I should get _both_ rifles! (sheesh, what happened to my "cheap plinker" idea??)
Unfortunately the store selling the 262 is a tiny hardware store (but reputable) so all i can give u is a phone #: (604)277-7031 or 275-7612 (fax)
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A few days ago someone was looking for a manual for a daisy 717. The link below has a 747 manual. It should be close enough.
--Mark
In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
And it would be great if we could maybe talk (a very busy) Edith and Tom into stashing those reviews into the Reference Library on this site which has been inactive for awhile.
A great one to begin with would be the Diana 35, easily the most asked-about classic on this forum...must be a zillion of these things lurking in closets out there! I even have some stored verbage you can start with on this one.
Great idea!
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In Reply to: Re: Are the Pro Elite and TX2000 worth their weight and price?nt posted by M Boyle on August 24, 2000 at 11:54:23:
The Pro Elite is definitely worth the price, although it is a bit heavy. My TX 200 isn't broken in yet, but I prefer to do my plinking with my PE. The TX just doesn't look as good to me.
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In Reply to: FYI: Canadian Tire Guns on Sale This Week posted by Shane on August 25, 2000 at 08:34:52:
Where abouts are you? I'm in Vancouver and I'm not sure I saw anything like that... Come to think about it, I don't think I've EVER seen airgun stuff in the ads here.
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In Reply to: Steyr LP5P and red dot sight posted by DSpencer on August 24, 2000 at 19:26:31:
I bought mine directly from Scott Pilkington. He milled 2 parallel slots in the shroud to accept the mounts for the red dot scope. I tried is a few times and noticed that I SHOT BETTER WITH THE OPEN SIGHTS. I know it sounds odd. You can probably get on target faster with the red dot, but I doubt you will be more accurate unless you have an extreme problem with open sights. The balance of the gun, which is near perfect to start with, will be thrown off with the scope.
My 2 cents.
In Reply to: Umarex Beretta or cp-99? posted by Crane on August 23, 2000 at 15:35:49:
Either gun looks great, but accuracy deteriorates after 5 meters to such an incredible degree. In that regard, you could join the POS league with a Crosman 1008 for a lot less money.
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In Reply to: Lubing springer pellets with Slick50 Onelube posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 21:35:37:
Makes my Pro Elite in .22 diesel like crazy even after trying to dry them with paper towels.
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In Reply to: Repair parts posted by Leslie R. Wood on August 25, 2000 at 12:44:29:
CJ
In Reply to: Re: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 25, 2000 at 11:52:14:
So you got that thing set up just right yet ???
Anything new about it you want to mention?
What scope you usin' ?
Stocky
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
For long term rust prevention try LPS or CRC Store & Lube. Don't know if it effects seals and such, but it really keeps rust off for a very long time.
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In Reply to: BSA 2-7x32 anyone familiar wiyh this scope? posted by Greg S on August 25, 2000 at 01:34:03:
url
Go to airguns, them Stay TUNED, its linked on that page
In Reply to: Re: Anyone from Va respond inside!! posted by Chris in Manassas, V on August 25, 2000 at 13:03:17:
Chris,
Nice to hear from you again!
I am going to purchase an Laminated R9 .20 with a
Beeman super tune and a .22 Beeman R1 here in the
real near future!!! Also have the Gamo S890 that I
have been nailing squirrels with out to 50yds with
head shots!
Randy
rmihacsi@hotmail.com
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
Russ,
That's a fantastic idea. Not only is it fun to know about older guns which you own/would like to own, it would be useful to hear something about how they are currently being used, how they perform and what pellets are suitable if we are not talking true antiques here. If the gun was a popular platform for mods like the earlier TXs, it might be fun to see what had been done with them. I have a couple of candidates for you if you are interested in that last idea, specifically an Anschutz 335 and a Crosman 1400. This could even be somewhat of an e-zine feature of the Airgun Letter.
Overall a great idea Russ.
John
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In Reply to: Re: Odd flight pattern. - Some Thoughts. posted by Jim P on August 25, 2000 at 01:48:11:
Gordon, All,
I realize that sometimes when we respond to these questions the desire not to type too much can lead to a response that might not be understood.
If you have ever "spun a top" you will recognize from your experience that a "good top," while it is spinning fast enough, doesn't wobble. It will wobble if it is out of balance i.e not a good top = the suggestion that the pellet has a heavy spot (more likely a light spot = air bubble) not in line with its central axis. And it will wobble when you first throw it if for some reason it doesn't start out perfectly straight up = the suggestion that the head of the pellet may have been too small. The top will stabilize after a number of turns but pellets don't really make that many turns in a short distance. The top will also wobble when it slows down - but I don't think that applies here unless you have a very slow twist in your rifeling.
Second point: The wobble wouldn't really amount to much deviation if there were no air. The force that makes the pellet move around is the lift created because the wobble puts the pellet shape at an angle to a high speed air flow (remember that at about 200 ft/sec the air flow over the wing of a 747 will lift it off the ground and the effect increases with the square of the speed so at 400 ft/sec it would lift 4 of them.)
Maybe this will help.
Jim P.
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In Reply to: Anyone from Va respond inside!! posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 10:37:22:
Randy,
You pulled up a couple of new ones :-)
Where are they, I wonder?
See you at DIFTA on the 9th?
Chip is also in Manassas, and I believe that he will be there on the 9th, as well.
BTW, the current collection is a BSA SuperStar .177, a Daisy 747 and a P3 :-)
Chris
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Need the neoprene plunger that compresses the air for a model "blue streak" manufactured by Sheriden Products, Racine Wis. They are no longer in business.
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In Reply to: Can the 1077 shoot accurately posted by Shawn Halin on August 25, 2000 at 00:01:27:
From the prone position at 10 meters, I get 5-shot groups of one slightly ragged hole. And that is with my old eyes and iron sights. It is a very accurate gun. Paul Anderson told me that a trick shooter (can't remember the name) years ago used it to shoot something like 10,000 consecutive targets. Could be true, could be exaggerated, but the gun is certainly capable of that kind of performance.
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In Reply to: Can the 1077 shoot accurately posted by Shawn Halin on August 25, 2000 at 00:01:27:
I can hit the bottom of a pop can 12 times in 3 seconds from
30 feet with mine. I have a Bushnel 4x32 on it.
Bob
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In Reply to: Regulator volume posted by wimone on August 25, 2000 at 10:59:33:
Wim on the Internet. That's amazing ;-)
peter
ps: the new scope is in. CU next week sometime.
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In Reply to: Re: Odd flight pattern. - Some Thoughts. posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 09:25:45:
All,
If anyone is following this thread and "Yaw" and thinks that what Swinson is saying here might make sense but they just don't understand it. I'm with you! - but I'm not even sure that it makes sense the way it is written. I have an aerospace engineering degree (admittedly not recent -'67) which should give me some advantage in deciphering this stuff.
So don't feel too bad.
Swinson maybe if you "dumbed it down" a little for the readership here we might have a clue as to what you are trying to tell us.
Jim P.
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In Reply to: Re: Some WD-40 info. posted by GH on August 25, 2000 at 01:45:37:
My favorite is G-96 Gun treatment. I've been using it for years and it works well foe me.
Bob
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In Reply to: Anyone from Va respond inside!! posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 10:37:22:
It looks like there are plenty of outlets for my airgunning energy around here, and plenty of people to share it with! Keep me posted on any airgun stuff going on in the area! Talk to you later.
Patrick
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Your scope is in already (I didn't expect it so soon). Read your email, my cell phone number is in it. Gimme a ring tonight (Friday night). I'm in Alphen and can easily drop it!
peter
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
Im have used WD40 to power my potato gun. It worked beter than Aqua-net. I would think it would diesel in an air gun.
Bob
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Darn, this is a nice scope. Very, very nice.
OK... now that the sun has disappeared, it's dark enough to shoot without getting a splitting headache from the bright sight picture, so I'm out for a couple hours... until it gets dark. Very dark.
See ya folks!
peter
ps: thanks Marty!
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In Reply to: Re: homegrown Career speedloader posted by M Boyle on August 25, 2000 at 11:33:50:
"Mr Bulk did one like that only metel. think it was for a bigger cal too..yours almost looks saleabe. if i had a career id buy that fer $6.95 max"
--------------------------
Great minds think alike...LOL...
What is "metel"? Some new type of plastic?
Easy to do it in brass...like making a slot car chassis.
Bigger caliber is just using larger ID tubing.
Almost "saleabe"? Add a rudder and it's sailable.
What, you have no career? Retired?
youd buy for $6.95? Keep watching QVC :-)
Jack
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In Reply to: I NEED SPECS ON MY CROSMAN 1400!! posted by Mike Slaker on August 25, 2000 at 11:55:40:
D.T. Fletcher has a good manuel on the 1400. I ordered one and was well satisfied.
His e-mail is fletcherOR@aol,com
Bob
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In Reply to: No gun with a poor trigger can ever be made to shoot accurately!... [nt] posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 01:29:49:
I'd say the 1077 is a hell of a lot more accurate than most DAO airguns, since it has a stock. And a gun with a crappy trigger CAN be made accurate, all you have to do is have a good vise...
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In Reply to: Home made bench rest/bags posted by Mark Ferreira on August 24, 2000 at 22:19:05:
Mark i once saw a large desk\chair highscohools useto use in school, in a junk story..it would be a prefect start to a very stable bench
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
being too helpful again..it may make you nuts ;)
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In Reply to: Re: Yaw Model posted by Mikey on August 24, 2000 at 23:31:16:
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In Reply to: Randy - you are 35 minutes from DIFTA and the Damascus Airgun Show! posted by Tom Gaylord on August 25, 2000 at 11:56:20:
Tom,
I was there for the FTS in July as a spectator. I hung around DaveG
and asked you a few questions concerning the TX200.
But I will be back up there again in Sept!!
Randy
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Looking for airgunners in Port Charlotte, Punta Gorda FL area. I just moved here and am looking for a place and for people to shoot with. Are there any clubs in area? COntact: RON at VIKIRON@EARTHLINK.NET
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In Reply to: Anyone from Va respond inside!! posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 10:37:22:
Radny,
Come up to Damascus, Maryland. We are only 35 minutes away (if the beltway isn't jammed). Go to our main page (www.airgunletter.com) and then go to the Clubs page. From there, click on the DIFTA web page and read all about field target! See the map! From Alexandria, go north on the beltway to I-270. Take 270 north to the Route 27 exit. Take 27 east to the town of Damascus and follow the map from there. We shoot every Monday evening, plus the field target schedule on the DIFTA page. We also have 10-meter pistol in the fall/winter.
Don't miss the Mid-Atlantic Airgun Show there on September 9!
Glad to have you come up.
Regards,
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.com
In Reply to: Re: Yaw Model posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:32:19:
i remember reading an article in a gun mag about a wildcat load for the Rem XP100 bolt action pistol. it was a 35 cal. he found that if the bullit was short\light it was fine..double its wieght and increase the lingth and it keyholed. he had a barrel mad with i faster twist and it worked..i think its why some put the career barrel on a JW80 ..faster twist-rate
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I was given a crossman 1400 air rifle as just something to do, unfortunately it came with no manuals. I was wondering if anyone knew the fps on this rifle and also if any of the new scopes can be used on it. thanx
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In Reply to: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Omer on August 25, 2000 at 06:45:08:
I have two PCPs, Rapid 12, and a Mac-1 Career 707. Taking in consideration their strengths and weakness of both rifles. I feel that the Career is the best all around shooter, especially for hunting.
Wayne
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In Reply to: RWS Model 6 G Pistol posted by RON on August 25, 2000 at 09:28:55:
nice pistol, fun to shoot. Unfortuneately not 10 meter legal (due to hooded front sight). Also a very much overpriced pistol. I've heard the RWS6M balances much better.
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In Reply to: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Omer on August 25, 2000 at 06:45:08:
FALCON RAPTOR
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In Reply to: Armor plated crow? posted by steve d. on August 25, 2000 at 07:48:48:
First change your pellet.A hollow point isnt suitable for culling crows
Second change your aim- go for head shots or if thats not posible ive found getting the pellets under the feathers (like on its back or from underneath its breast)
I hope this helps
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In Reply to: " Military scholars estimate that during World War II, 10,000 shots had to be fired before one hit the enemy. " posted by vZc® on August 25, 2000 at 00:15:48:
Since "airgunners" are more accurate shooters?
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In Reply to: homegrown Career speedloader posted by Jack Stinson on August 25, 2000 at 08:50:32:
Mr Bulk did one like that only metel. think it was for a bigger cal too..yours almost looks saleabe. if i had a career id buy that fer $6.95 max
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In Reply to: Lubing springer pellets with Slick50 Onelube posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 21:35:37:
Russ, Russ, Russ,
Now you know why we removed that statue of you that stood in front of the Southern Test Facility.
You didn't pay attention to what we were doing here. We have been shooting lubed pellets in springers, incluiding magnum types, for about two years. We learned in the first few sessions, the skills needed to determine the proper amount and application of the various lubes. We have successfully used Dextron ATF, RemOil, FP-10. amd Johnson's spray wax. We have noticed that CP 7.9s with FP-10 carefully applied, increases accuracy in the TX-200 MK4, and the R-9. All stock rifles. The FWB 603 likes a very light coat of FP-10 in H&N Match. The BS-4 likes spray waxed RWS Hobbies. Note: let the wax dry before shooting. We use ATF on some pellets for CO2 guns, and some FP-10. You see a preference after shooting for a while.
The learning curve has gone up, since we stopped doing so much buying and trading, and started shooting. Have'nt bought anything in almost 90 days, when we added a much needed Aeron B-96 pistol to the collection.
The removal of your statue from the front of the building does not in any way indicate a loss of respect. We got a deal from Hiney Wineries to put a wind can up, and they would give us money. So we still like and respect you. We stil have the statue. If you send money we could be convinced to replace the Hinney Wine Aluminum Can/Telephone booth combo.
Respectfully,
Bubba
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In Reply to: Re: Some WD-40 info. posted by Malcolm - UK on August 25, 2000 at 07:53:20:
Works on cars and hardwood floors, so it's safe for wood and metal, it doesn't rub off, doesn't collect dust, doesn't float off when wet, doesn't make the surface nearly as slick as oil does.
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In Reply to: homegrown Career speedloader posted by Jack Stinson on August 25, 2000 at 08:50:32:
Jack,
VERY NICE!! Job well done. Looks spiffy as all get out. Drilled hole in plastic cap as Craig suggested would spiff it up a bit, but not shabby at all!! Gonna have to whip me one of those up.
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: Re: BSA web page? posted by Gary on August 25, 2000 at 11:05:35:
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In Reply to: Need some Scope Suggestions for Crosman 600 posted by Neil on August 25, 2000 at 11:04:16:
Is the gun stock or did u have Dave put extended barrel, shoulder stock etc? I'm going to try a red dot on mine.
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In Reply to: BSA web page? posted by Lon on August 25, 2000 at 08:58:10:
http://home.beseen.com/hobbies/airgun/
I think this is what you are lookin for. As far as I know BSA doesn't have a web site per say.
HTH
Gary
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A Few months ago I was able to purchase a Crosman 600, modified by Dave Gunter(I have another one in the works by Mr. Gunter himself, so I'll have 2). The that I have currently has scope mounts, but was wondering if anyone one has any suggestions of scopes to purchase for it.
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Is there a way to calculate the volume for a regulator. And differences between small or big regulator volume. Thanks all info about this is appreciated. Wim W
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Is there a way to calculate the volume for a regulator. And differences between small or big regulator volume. Thanks all info about this is appreciated. Wim W
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In Reply to: Re: Anyone from Va respond inside!! posted by Jerry on August 25, 2000 at 10:45:44:
Jerry,
I added you to my buddy list on AOL IM!!
Randy
rmihacsi@hotmail.com!!
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In Reply to: Re: Right on man!Where in VA are you? posted by Jerry on August 25, 2000 at 10:32:06:
Are you near Rt.656 and or 626???
That is about 1hr 45min from me!!!!
Randy
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In Reply to: Anyone from Va respond inside!! posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 10:37:22:
Count me in.
Unseendestr0yer@aol.com
-Jerry
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by Jerry on August 25, 2000 at 10:37:17:
They do and I have to keep the civil unrest down and
keep my bearing while they throw blood over everything to include me...
Which really is simple assault!!!!!
But when off duty! Watchout cause I'm a true blue
country boy!!!
Randy...
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In Reply to: Re: " Military scholars estimate that during World War II, 10,000 shots had to be fired before one hit the enemy. " posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 09:03:29:
the rifles [barrels] probably are mo' better.
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In Reply to: Career 707 (carbine and Long rifle) my two! (NT) posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 09:57:47:
nt
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Just trying to get all of the Airgunners in the
DC Metro area together in one post...
I am on AOL IM also, under the screen name of Daddylead.
My emails are
m1202@erols.com
rmihacsi@hotmail.com
Randy from Va....
I know of Josh, Jerry, and Chris... Also Dave and James
of WVa....
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 23:12:58:
I'd like to see the day when the PETA-heads come to these parts... or for that matter... when the Govt. comes through town trying to take our guns. It will not be pretty.
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In Reply to: Right on man!Where in VA are you? posted by Josh P. on August 24, 2000 at 22:21:52:
I live in Chesterfield, on a 49 acre plot of land surrounded by Pocahontas State Park.
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In Reply to: Questions (Cr 262, 1077 Crappy Tire Crosmans) posted by Brian E on August 25, 2000 at 02:19:54:
BRIAN;
I hate to contradict other posters but the newer Model 66's are neat little guns.
These come( here in Calif.) with rifled barrels,and are quite accurate at 25' to 33'. My Model 66 scoped with a cheap Tasco 4X regularly shoots 3/16 to1/4 inch 5 shot groups with the CHEAP Crosman Pointed prllets, using a 4 pump charge! these fine guns cost about $24.00 here and can be a ball to shoot.
Allthough the looks and price may say TOY, these guns will get up tp dangerous velocitys using BB's (please don't as they quickly ruin the barrel)and richoets are disasterous!!Results thru the entire power range are so satisfying with pellets, that there is no choice anyhow.You'll find that owning a 66 is a love it, or hate it thing, but most of us waste that much on sodas in a year.
The 66 is really not a hunting gun, thiugh it will dispatch SMALL pests at short ranges, Its primaraly a trainer/fun gun.
The letters indicare trim levels of the models, ie Silver?Black, scope included, Red Dot, etc.
I'd have a time choosing a plinker out of that group also. All have their own traits ,accuracy on all is fine for their class,and I've always had an interest in that 262 myself(do you have a site adress for that store???).
I have always had a 66 ,and got a 664GT (gold trim) to add to the battery and never regretted it once! Near the first of this year I replaced my tired 66 with a 66D, Plastic yes, but better than ever!
Have fun with whichever one you choose!
Dave N
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In Reply to: Questions (Cr 262, 1077 Crappy Tire Crosmans) posted by Brian E on August 25, 2000 at 02:19:54:
The 262 is a very accurate gun, altho low-powered. It is as consistent as my IZH-60, and has a very nice feel for my shooting style.
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In Reply to: Marksman Laserhawk Competition posted by Scott on August 25, 2000 at 00:08:10:
If the other guns shot as true for the money spent, we'd all shoot single hole groups at 50 Yds. At 10 M and 25 Ft targets this is one of the best teaching tools available. That what it was designed for
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In Reply to: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Omer on August 25, 2000 at 06:45:08:
NT
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In Reply to: Armor plated crow? posted by steve d. on August 25, 2000 at 07:48:48:
I think crows have a food pouch (crop) in the front. if he was full, he was bullet proof. may have entered and not hit anything "important".
As well you may have just missed.
If you did hit him mostlikely he'll die some horrible death later...at which point it will be considered west nile and freak out your town.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Logun Update and a gripe or two. posted by John on August 24, 2000 at 23:00:59:
It makes it look silly. It would be better to compare the Logun to a Daystate or Air Arms (well not even an air arms) maybe a ripley. It's a totally different level of workmanship.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: this sounds like one big friggin lie - NO ITS NOT:Just ruffled tham a bit and they flew posted by Mike Pearson on August 24, 2000 at 17:11:48:
Mike:
Thanks for the good advice. I think I'll chalk it up to a misunderstanding and let the matter drop. My appologies to the list for perhaps over reacting.
My background may be unusual for this list. I'm a serious Bullseye and IHMSA pistol shooter (all of which takes place at 50 -200 yards), and come from a culture where 1" groups with a pistol off sandbags at 50 yards is routine. This is my first "adult" airgun, and I made the post not to brag about my shooting because I don't consider it remarkable, nor to stir up discussion about sea gulls, but rather to express my amazement about the P1 pistol. I really have no idea what airgun people expect from them, but I was surprised. I only purchased the P1 for indoor winter practice after noting that its frame is similar to a 1911 .45. It's really a nice piece of work, although with a lousy trigger compared to what I am used to.
I must admit that the flock of comments about gulls being protected caught me total off-guard. I had no idea about that, but will certainly heed the advice. Although, in my area there is little likelyhood of trouble, as people do all sorts of things to rid themselves of these pests.
Cheers, and good shootin to ya!
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In Reply to: Re: Right on man!Where in VA are you? posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 09:32:26:
I just moved to Alexandria this summer from MN, and I've been looking for fellow airgunners around here. Hope you don't mind my jumping into this thread. I'd like to email, or possibly meet up with others in the area. Coming from rural farmland where I could shoot anything, anywhere, to a an apartment in the city has been a bit of a downer with respect to my shooting hobbies! Talk to you later.
Patrick Sween
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In Reply to: BSA 2-7x32 anyone familiar wiyh this scope? posted by Greg S on August 25, 2000 at 01:34:03:
If it's the airgun model AR it's an excellent little scope. It adjust down to 7.5 yards is exceptionaly clear and bright for indoors and has taken a pounding from a SM 1000 and now lives succesfully on a IHZ 61 were Iwould expect it to live out its day in relative comfort. It's not quite powerful enough for FT's but then that would be up to you.
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In Reply to: Re: homegrown Career speedloader posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 09:29:35:
First off, Thanks Craig!
Now I do have access to a drill press, mill, etc...and other plastics. But I was determined to work up something that used common material and minimal tooling. It's sort of a pet thing of mine; to de-rocket-science these projects whenever possible. Everyone can get styrene tubing, cut it, and glue things together (for styrene, I combine styrene cement and CyA) without power tools. And spend that saved $30 on pellets or flowers for the wifey :-)
btw- I find that my wife has difficulty screaming at me for buying a new airgun, when she is holding fresh roses.
Jack
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In Reply to: tau 200 posted by trevor on August 25, 2000 at 09:14:26:
Yes Trevor you can. I did it for 4 months until I got a left hand stock from Great Lakes Airgun. Had to relieve the bolt slot on the right since the action is still right handed.
The gun shoots great either way so the only difference is it's more comfortable to off hand with the left stock. Thre are left hand and ambidexterous models out there. Give European Air Pistols a call. They had one on order.
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In Reply to: Home made bench rest/bags posted by Mark Ferreira on August 24, 2000 at 22:19:05:
You can take the legs off old blue jeans, sew one end up, fill with sand then sew the other end.
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In Reply to: Make fun of Wilma all you want, but leave Betty alone. nt. posted by acet on August 25, 2000 at 02:24:28:
I said she was HOT!
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Right on man!Where in VA are you? posted by Josh P. on August 24, 2000 at 22:21:52:
Josh,
I sent you an email reply but got nothing back..
I live in Loudoun Co. Interested in getting together
and doing some shooting on a weekend???
randy
rmihacsi@hotmail.com
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In Reply to: homegrown Career speedloader posted by Jack Stinson on August 25, 2000 at 08:50:32:
If you had a press and drilled something like that out of delrin you could charge $40 for it.
Oddly I have found that the containers that come with Bimoco (sp) pellets work well too!
Regards,
Craig
That's a great design.
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I saw that the 6G was not in the latest catalog I got from RWS. When was it discontinued? Any reason for dropping it? I've owned one for 8 years and it has been a fun, accurate workhorse. What has been your experience ?
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In Reply to: Re: Odd flight pattern. - Some Thoughts. posted by Jim P on August 25, 2000 at 01:48:11:
I was certainly not talking about centrifugal force at all.
Yaw and yaw of repose really are not matters of centrifugal force, as the center mass of the pellet is not deviating, it's really the leading edge of a pellet that makes that deviation in a helical path. The bullets CG as it is gyroscopically stabilized and those forces are working "inward" might be considered centripetal BUT it's not a reaction of center mass effect per moment to center mass effect per moment. The center mass and any centrifugal or centripital forces are working but in a smaller system in coincidence with the path of flight.
In your instance you are applying a smaller system to a larger dynamic which inturn would then subvert the first system. ( the pellet would never come back "inline" ). And since the pull to centerline mass is inward again, at best some may mistake it for centripital. Nor does your model allow for that static stablity factor of the pellet.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Vote the best PCP rifle posted by Omer on August 25, 2000 at 06:45:08:
First we would have to vote for what 'Best' means.
They are different uses and thus needs a different Air rifle. Also would you include a custom such as a Stalker or any ZM model? or does it have to be stock out of the box?
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I am a left handed shooter and looking
at the picture on "airgun in arizona web site"
can i shoot this gun left handed i am looking for
and airgun to practice with during the winter
months. If not can anyone suggest another
model.
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In Reply to: " Military scholars estimate that during World War II, 10,000 shots had to be fired before one hit the enemy. " posted by vZc® on August 25, 2000 at 00:15:48:
Question is, are the soliders any better?
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Did the dropping of the 2 A-Bombs bring the average up?? NT posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 07:26:51:
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I am thinking of getting a pcp. The only ones I found on the net in OZ are a saver 7000 for $1050 AUD or a beeman super12 for $2750 AUD both are a bit too much money, for the time beeing.
daisy
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I saw on a lower post you have a BSA web page. What is the url?
BTW, I am not the person making disparaging remarks about MR Bulk on Brad's web page, I have never associated with him.
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In Reply to: I know it's early, but... What airguns do you want for X'mas? posted by Peter Kay on August 24, 2000 at 23:31:42:
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I had already tired of loading pellets one at a time in the magazine of my Career rifle...a speedloader was in order. To get me through the weekend, I whipped one up quickly out of McDonalds straws and duct tape.
This week I dropped by my local hobby shop and picked up some tubing to make a nicer version. Handcrafted from genuine styrene plastic, holds six magazines worth of .20 caliber pellets, the magazine slides into the rotating cap, and the pellets drop right into it...pretty as you please.
No earth-shattering concepts here, but it is a low-expense design that works very well. Have a look at the prototype.
Jack
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/HobbyCt/stinsonx/speedload1.jpg
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/HobbyCt/stinsonx/speedload2.jpg
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In Reply to: QB or not QB posted by Mac1 on August 24, 2000 at 22:19:42:
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In Reply to: Re: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by Jackie Collins on August 24, 2000 at 22:56:49:
Well, Jackie
I don't much care if you want to make pets out of them(starlings) from what I read on your site(yes I have been there) they are quite intellgent for birds and apprently make goood pets for "bird people"(people who like birds for pets) Just so YOU don't have a problem with me shooting every one who desides to nest in MY yard and drive my other birds away or kill them. Can we agree to dis agree? You keep your pets and I will kill my pests. See both happy.
Robert
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In Reply to: Canadian Tire Guns posted by Tyler on August 25, 2000 at 05:32:57:
Noticed their most recent flyer does list $20-$25 off
a number of their air rifles.
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In Reply to: BSA red dot sight posted by Jack Lynskey on August 24, 2000 at 18:51:30:
The BSA sight base is for a Weaver style mount. I don't know if you can get a Weaver-to-rimfire adapter.
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In Reply to: Home made bench rest/bags posted by Mark Ferreira on August 24, 2000 at 22:19:05:
I have seen reports of using an old cardboard box with two opposing notches cut in it to rest the rifle. Cheap and recycleable.
docwells
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
Here's the real low down.
In Reply to: Way off topic ... posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 23:34:00:
Sorry this had to happen at all, but I'm relieved he wasn't hurt or worse.
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Mike Pearson on August 24, 2000 at 13:18:04:
Wow! Nice post! Thanks for your insight.
I think a nice .20 may be in order next. Say an
RX-1. StraightShooters has some very good info
on various guns with different pellets (velocity
and FPE at various ranges); do you know of other
sites that have similar info for comparison.
thanks again for all your info.
When's that archive going to be together and where
will it be?
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In Reply to: Re: Don't forget the "mess around with it " factor posted by Mike Reames on August 24, 2000 at 18:07:27:
This isn''t a pot shot, but Craig said that he understands the hobby thing, but sending it off is what he questions. I really don't have an opinion on this since I went into reloading to save money, but have spent so much on gee whiz gizmos that I will never break even. Just wanted to set the record straight. There is no doubt that the 78 is a great tinker gun.
JMO,
docwells
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Please, help to keep the shooting sports alive
by giving air rifles to your local 4-h clubs Boyscouts and America leigon
and or give your time to these young men and women.
My father past the love of the shooting and hunting to me.
But, Not all kids have dads ...Kids really need leadership today more then ever. IMHO
Thank you ......
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In Reply to: Re: Some WD-40 info. posted by Slick on August 25, 2000 at 07:19:07:
Yep I agree, WD40 is only good as a rust preventer short term (say a month). I much prefer to use 3-in-1 oil on a rag to wipe my guns over with. At least you get a reasonable film of oil on the metal surfaces.
Malcolm.
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Yesterday there were a few crows in my backyard. I aimed at the closest one with my RWS 34, super-h-point loaded. The fat crow was about 30 yards away when I took my shot. I hit him dead center in the breast and heard a loud thud, and the crow let out a sqwaak, then flew away! It landed in a tree about 75 yards away, and I watched it with my binoculars, it seemed just fine... It sat there for about 30 seconds, then flew off unharmed.. What happened? I am sure i hit the crow dead center, and have the gun sighted in perfectly. Was 30 yards too far for a hollow point pellet? I've heard stories like this- that crows have very tough breastbones, but i didnt think it would be a problem with the rws 34.. this crow didnt show any signs of damage, should i start using domed pellets? (ramjets)
Educate me, please.
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In Reply to: Re: Yaw Model posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:32:19:
So Russ, are you saying it's the main cause for any rifle matching up with any particular pellet?
Regards,
Stocky
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In Reply to: Canadian Tire Guns posted by Tyler on August 25, 2000 at 05:32:57:
The Cr.262 was essentially a .177 longer-barreled, wood stocked carbine version of the SSP250 pistol. It is powered by CO2, single shot, uses the basic SSP action with it's swingout loading gate.
My SSP250 has two power levels, changed by where you pull the cocking knob back to. But I think Canadian version only has the low power setting to keep velocity under the 500fps range.
Personally, If I were going to buy a Crosman rifle in Canada, I'd go with the 2250 or 2260 in .22 caliber. A 7.9 grain Crosman .177 pellet out of the 262 at say 490fps is going to give you maybe 4.2 foot pounds of energy. The 14.3 grain Crosman .22 pellet at that same 490fps will yield 7.6 foot pounds. number of shots per CO2 cartridge doesn't change, .22 is more efficient in most CO2 guns. And since you have a 500fps limit without the extra paperwork, the .22 will give you more energy than the .177 bore.
hth, Jack
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In Reply to: Kinda like watching the ATeam re-runs posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 00:24:51:
nt
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I'm looking to add an air rifle to my collection. I desire high power and accuracy of <.5" cc at 30 yards.
I'm thinking of a .20 caliber because of its BC seems better than a .22 or .25. Only concern is limiting my selection to Beeman products.
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In Reply to: Home made bench rest/bags posted by Mark Ferreira on August 24, 2000 at 22:19:05:
How about going to the market and buying a couple of 5lb. bags of rice. It works well for me. The type of rice is your choice, of course.
PS: cover the plastic with duct tape, so the kids won't poke holes in it right away.
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In Reply to: Re: Lubing springer pellets with Slick50 Onelube posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 00:02:45:
Thanks (no more WD 40)
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In Reply to: Re: That's the gun! posted by JRW on August 25, 2000 at 01:34:29:
Jrw:
Your groups are definitely gonna tighten once the gun after braking in (some 1000 - 1500 shots).
I enjoy tinkering. Besides of that, I jad to wait almost 2 months for a new stock, cause mine came cracked from factory (maybe the transport). To receive the replacement I needed to send back the cracked stock. Therefore I was plenty of time looking at the naked action and realized about some finish details the action had. I also received the advice to buy a spare spring, cause in case of failure, I would be stuck for a couple of months waiting for a new one.
This is not my job, just my hobby, but I enjoy it.
I also enjoyed constructing my site. I never did it before, so it really was a challenge for me. Still a lot of things which could be improved on the site.
If the mods are worth it? Definitely. It's a totally different gun now. Very smooth to cock and to shoot.
Enjoy your gun
Roland
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
I'm very leery of using WD-40 as a rust preventive. It has allowed rusting after only 6 months of storage on gun surfaces. Gun Tests recently did a test of many rust prevention products and didn't far well in their tests.
Just my experience and opinion.
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In Reply to: Re: Some WD-40 info...the only other thing... posted by Jerry Rhodes on August 25, 2000 at 00:48:35:
Thanks to all on your valuable oppinions about the matter. It's absolutely no info to be obtained here (Venezuela).
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what are the best type of pelets to use for hunting small critters with the crosman 2100, and what kind of range will i need to be in to get a clean kill?
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Hi,
Since there area too many guns to choose from, what would you guys vote for the best two pcp air rifles. and why?
Thanks,
Omer
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In Reply to: Re: Lubing springer pellets with Slick50 Onelube posted by Roland Martens on August 24, 2000 at 23:58:50:
I keep a supply of disposable syringes on hand to apply lubes to things. The rubber piston seals die eventually from exposure to oils. The one time I tried to use a syringe full of WD-40, I drew it into the syringe, and a few seconds later could not push the plunger and make the WD come out. The rubber seal was ruined that fast.
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In Reply to: Re: Great scope deal at Natchez. posted by Tom L. on August 24, 2000 at 16:35:17:
Haven't purchased another air rifle yet. The scope is going on a rimfire.
There is to many good rifle choices, and not enough money in my pocket :-)
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In Reply to: Re: There are claims that......it's the DMSO... posted by John Sa. on August 25, 2000 at 04:12:16:
John: The last word I had on WD40 was that DMSO was in it. I haven't had to mess with Safety Data Sheets in years, what there now I don't know. Ask the WD40 factory for one. Mill workers are exposed to the stuff all the time so I can't comment on the disolved organic toxins part. I do know it works pretty cool taking carbon off the tops of pistons and tweaking a sore back.
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Questions (Cr 262, 1077 Crappy Tire Crosmans) posted by Brian E on August 25, 2000 at 02:19:54:
The 4 in 664 probably stands for the 4xpower scope included with the gun, maybe the gun comes without it? The S in SB most likely stands for Silver. Or its probably a simple spelling error made by the people of Canadian Tire. Go to the store and ask. Good luck with that one, (the employees dont know thier butts from a hole in the ground). The 1077 will fire as quikly as you can pull the trigger. I have heard that the 1077 uses up those Co2 canisters very quickly and trust me they become expensive and a pain to keep replacing over time. (I advise you buy the bulk Co2 boxes that they sell) As for the 262 I havent ever used one so I cant say anything on that. The 66 series fire both BBs and Pellets, BB guns usually have a smooth bore barrel (no rifleing grooves) so they are not as accurate. Get one that fires pellets only. What kind of shooting will you be doing? It all depends. If youre target shooting dont get the 66 but if you just want it to screw around with go ahead. Good Luck
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In Reply to: help with daystate posted by thom on August 24, 2000 at 22:03:36:
Before I give you advice on how to turn up your velocity, could you tell me what your original velocity is at now, and what you were hoping for after the mod. (And also which pellets you were planning on shooting)
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In Reply to: Just ramblin! posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 21:47:33:
some years ago some PETA types, maybe a similar group, tried to put holstien size rubbers on a couple of bulls on a farm. One was killed, one was injured, and two got away. This was in good old Wisconsin. My friends and I laughed for days. They're all good ol' boys who knew the constitution (all of it) better than many other people I knew then.
Harv
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In Reply to: Way off topic ... posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 23:34:00:
Are you talking by the old Froedert complex??? I grew up in Brookfield and have friends on the Force. The perpetrator might be easier to track than you think. Either way its worth a shot if you're interested.
Harv yamaha@scc.net
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In Reply to: Re: There are claims that......it's the DMSO... posted by Steve B. on August 25, 2000 at 02:59:23:
Are you saying that there's DMSO in WD-40? I don't think I believe it. If it's true, that would make WD-40 extremely dangerous to use around any type of toxic substance. One of DMSO's unusual properties is the ability to dissolve most organic substances and carry them into the bloodstream through the skin.
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In Reply to: Re: Even cooler then airguns posted by MarkD on August 24, 2000 at 21:40:30:
A local outdoor show did a feature on a guy who hunted squirrels with a pair of hawks.
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In Reply to: Co2UNE your Qb78 or Cr160 posted by CJ on August 24, 2000 at 07:07:09:
If I can ever locate another QB78/22 it will be on the way CJ as we discussed via email. But I just can't find any out there now. There are some .177s available but no .22s. I think estimated time of arrival is 3 weeks for Prince Williams. I will have to check with James again at Fun Supply but he has been out also.
Keep up the good work.
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In Reply to: There are claims that...... posted by Simon Slick on August 25, 2000 at 01:29:25:
DMSO is an organic solvent - the by product of the wood industry here in the Pacific Northwest. Of course it hasn't been USFDA approved but lots of people use it for muscle pains etc., goes right through the skin and leaves a garlic aftertaste. Now thatsa Italian....
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Make fun of Wilma all you want, but leave Betty alone. nt. posted by acet on August 25, 2000 at 02:24:28:
I bet you thought The Beav's mom was hot too, huh?
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In Reply to: Would a bushnell sportview 1.5x4.5x32 shotgun... posted by Greg S on August 25, 2000 at 00:26:27:
Greg: If this scope has an adjustable objective on it (for parallex correction) it would be GREAT! I would be envious, but I don't think it does. I've got an old one - for a 45-70. It starts out at about 25 yards.
If the scope you're looking at doesn't have an AO, keep walking. Except for not working well your pumper/CO2 won't hurt it.
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: What are you doing up this late?.... posted by SSlick on August 25, 2000 at 02:26:23:
Simon, ye I qualify,and not as a teenager....just
working hard today and relax'n abit with a brew before bed..
GH
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In Reply to: Re: No, No, No, No, posted by GH on August 25, 2000 at 02:22:06:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Only old geezers like me with too much time on their hands and unsupervised teenagers can handle these hours. SSlick
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In Reply to: Yeah RIGHT! posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 23:29:58:
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In Reply to: No, No, No, No, posted by Simon Slick on August 25, 2000 at 02:16:28:
Alcohol is better,Simon,ya can safely "wash down" alot
of things w/ it......Prosit!
GH
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I'm new to this, but this looks like a good place to get answers.
Can you really fire the Crosman 1077 quickly, say 1 or 2 shots per second? I thought I read something once about CO2 that amounted to saying you should wait a few seconds between shots (for consistency, etc)
Also, does anyone know what the heck Crappy Tire (Canadian Tire) means by Crosman "66SB"??? This is probably either the 664SB (cool...) or the 66BX (not so cool). All I know is that I haven't seen it and they don't got one. Can someone clarify and offer any good/bad comments on the 66 series?
Another shop also sells the Crosman 262, which I'm also looking at. Comments on that one would be helpful. Thanks!
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
Can the chilli recipes!!!!!!
Two that I find interesting because of their asthetics
are the S&W 77A and the Kentucky Rifle by Ultra High...
Fine contributional idea Russ...also Splendid resource for your book- ehhh?
Hmmmm
GH
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In Reply to: Re: There are claims that...... posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 02:00:32:
After you first come in contact with poison ivy, wash it down with gasoline or mineral spirits. This removes the oily residue and keeps it from spreading. Ain't these ole home remedies great....SSlick
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In Reply to: Re: gold trigger posted by Darry H on August 24, 2000 at 22:21:54:
I agree. This combo seems to get a bad rap sometimes, but I think if you're looking for a preset package this is the best combo deal around.
-Mark
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In Reply to: I know it's early, but... What airguns do you want for X'mas? posted by Peter Kay on August 24, 2000 at 23:31:42:
I'm keeping my eye on the Webley Tomohawk. IF it lives up to it's billing it could be a really nice gun. I'm a springer fan.
-Mark
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In Reply to: There are claims that...... posted by Simon Slick on August 25, 2000 at 01:29:25:
Yeah, and they say Chlorox can cure Poison Ivy too, try it sometime! [WINK!] Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: " Military scholars estimate that during World War II, 10,000 shots had to be fired before one hit the enemy. " posted by vZc® on August 25, 2000 at 00:15:48:
covering fires' purpose is diversion and reductio
of enemies visual contact.....lotsa rounds!!!!!
GH
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In Reply to: Some good uses for WD-40 posted by Mike in Indy on August 25, 2000 at 01:42:43:
......"only one product".....??? Alot of companies did at their begin'n
but tain't true no mo....check their website.....
GH
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In Reply to: Just ramblin! posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 21:47:33:
Had the same thing happen to me.
You spend ages growing a beaut garden, with dozens of fruit trees, but all you're doing is feeding them darn starlings.
Tried putting bird nets over the trees (to prevent birds from eating them), but it wasn't helping.
I've got nothing against native birds eating the fruit (we share the land with them), but when some introduced bird, which actually kills the native birds, starts eating my fruit, that's where I draw the line.
That's where my Hw97 comes in. I have a sniper pirch (a room, 2 storeys up, with windows all around it), which gives me a view of all of my yard.
Chris
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In Reply to: I know it's early, but... What airguns do you want for X'mas? posted by Peter Kay on August 24, 2000 at 23:31:42:
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In Reply to: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 18:11:43:
Gordon,
Two possibles that I can think of.
The pellet is not ballanced about the spin axis that your rifle gives it (This might be the same thing that Craig was trying to say.) If the head size is too small centrifical force would push the head to one side and the center of mass of the pellet would not be centered. Same thing if the head size is a good fit but the center of mass of the pellet is off to one side. This effect would even happen in a vacume, but it would be small.
However Pellets don't fly in a vacume so either the effect above causes the the pellet to Fly in a spiral or some damage to the pellet by your gun (even the high pressure air from your new xfer port) makes it asymetrical and it trys to "lift" in one direction - of course because it is spinning that turns into a spiral.
At 800 ft/sec and slowing and a CP with round head it is probably not a local supersonic effect.
The repeatability of these spirals will determine your accuracy.
Try some other pellets - with larger heads and see if that makes a difference. And if you can find one of the pellets that came down in a soft area look at it closely.
Interesting Problem. I haven't been able to duplicate seeing a pellet yet.
Jim P.
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
Since it displaces water,might it be used inplace
of an umbrella or raingear,which are so cumbersome, when hunting?????
YUK!YUK!
GH
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
1) Fish bait - yes many fisherman keep a can in their boat. You spray it on artificial baits to attract the fish!
2) Engine starter - excellent, especially for single-cylender engines as the ether used for auto engines is too "hot" and can blow up a small engine.
3) Hand cleaner/lotion - great for getting off grease and it leaves your hands soft (and smells good too).
4) Any others? I must be forgetting some....
And remember the WD-40 company is the only Fortune 500 company that makes only ONE product - WD-40.
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In Reply to: Home made bench rest/bags posted by Mark Ferreira on August 24, 2000 at 22:19:05:
triple layers of socks and aquarium sand and some rubber bands
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Re: That's the gun! posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:36:32:
Thanks,I've visited your sight a couple of times.Nice job.Are more into computers than airguns?I look for your responses on this forum.I was wondering,how long did you have the gun before you started tuning it?Do you do these tunes because you enjoy tinkering?Did you do these tunes because your gun really needed it?Did you get your money's worth with all the tunes?I'm new at this hobby.I'm hoping to get the most out of this gun with as little extra $ going into it as I can.I don't want to get into deminishing returns(plus I don't have a shop with a full set of tools,nor the mechanical IQ you seem to have).I shot about 50 pellets today and still get smoke,but no wild mustangs(so far).Do you think my groups will tighten up in the next 500-1000 shots or sooner when the excess oil burns off?How long until I can consider the gun broken in?
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Have any of you experts know or used BSA scopes any suggestions would be apreciated
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In Reply to: Re: Can the 1077 shoot accurately posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 00:04:31:
:-(
Unc
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
It's good to rub on arthritic joints to relieve the pain. SSlick
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In Reply to: " Military scholars estimate that during World War II, 10,000 shots had to be fired before one hit the enemy. " posted by vZc® on August 25, 2000 at 00:15:48:
Vern:
I guess those enemy fellows are pretty hard to hit!!
Sloop
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
These guys have all given you some VERY good advice! WD-40 is NOT a lubricant! It is a petroleum based solvent! It is good for REMOVING rust, but does not prevent rust! As a matter of fact, it can even encourage rust by removing oil from the metal, thus providing an unprotected environment that encourages rust to form! Use it only to remove surface rust, then coat the metal with a good rust-preventative oil. I base this on 35 years experience in industrial maintenance. WD-40 is not a lubricant, it is a solvent, regardless of what the advertising says. Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: " Military scholars estimate that during World War II, 10,000 shots had to be fired before one hit the enemy. " posted by vZc® on August 25, 2000 at 00:15:48:
That figure gradually rose in Korea and in Vietnam it was estimated at 200 to 250 thousand rounds expended for an enemy killed.
StuartH
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In Reply to: Re: Would a bushnell sportview 1.5x4.5x32 shotgun... posted by john on August 25, 2000 at 00:34:28:
Would i be better with a fixed?
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In Reply to: Re: Would a bushnell sportview 1.5x4.5x32 shotgun... posted by john on August 25, 2000 at 00:34:28:
Would i be better with a fixed?
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In Reply to: Re: Some WD-40 info...the only thing... posted by Steve B. on August 25, 2000 at 00:38:49:
WD-40 is a relatively safe diesel engine starting fluid.
Other than that, I can't think of anything. Certainly not as a rust preventive.
Jerry
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
The info I had came from Consumer Reports tests on WD-40 versus several similar products. This was done perhaps 15 years ago. WD-40 came in last in the tests and kerosene was mentioned at the time, along with a compound known as DMSO (DMSO has medical uses). Perhaps they've modified the formula since them? It's still no good for many seal materials- over longterm usage. Regards, Russ
PS: I doubt they would include any derogatory comments on their own website too.
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In Reply to: Lubing springer pellets with Slick50 Onelube posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 21:35:37:
Been doing it for awhile, no problems.
In Reply to: OK- I'll cook up the first one this weekend. posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 00:00:31:
BSA Scorpion .177 caliber pistol
ssssssSnake
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In Reply to: Some WD-40 info. posted by Roland Martens on August 25, 2000 at 00:27:01:
Marten: The stuff is a poor lubricant and does a poor job preventing rust. Works ok for cleaning off the bottom of an oil pan I guess. This is based on thirty years of using it.
The ONLY reason I like the stuff is that you can hold a flaming cigerette lighter in front of the nozzle and push it and kill cockroaches. Cool.
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Your input please posted by JRW on August 24, 2000 at 23:55:52:
Nice selection JRW!
I've the same gun ...and love it!
I also have the C-mount problem you described. I'm gonna exchange the mount by a fixed 1 piece droop mount. Either Beeman or Mac-1 do sell'em.
Take a look at my site. Some interesting ideas there.
In Reply to: Would a bushnell sportview 1.5x4.5x32 shotgun... posted by Greg S on August 25, 2000 at 00:26:27:
what type of rifle. if it is a springer, the forward reverse action will probably tear the scope to pieces. pneumatic and pcp have no recoil so you should be fine there.
hth,
john
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In Reply to: Just ramblin! posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 21:47:33:
I've got the same thing: berrys: raspberrys, blackberrys boisenberrys and strawberrys, apples, cherrys, plums, pears, filberts and walnuts etc. If you don't take proactive steps (starting in the early spring to the end of summer) all you're doing is feeding the birds - ROBINS, BLUE JAYS, Starlings and Sparrows are the big fruit feeders. Pitty they're too small to eat. The skunks, coons and oposiums seem to likem' just fine though. It looks like I'm about out of ground squirrels for the year but the rats are making a comeback. I've got a full tank of CO2 and I'm not afraid to use it;). There are also several deer that are starting to piss me off.
I understand the rage. I like animals just fine but If we didn't kill and eat them we would starve. They don't feed us, they plant nothing that we can distroy either.
regards - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Re: TX200 SR? posted by Larry on August 24, 2000 at 18:01:15:
Thanks for the info.
I saw the TX200SR in the classifieds for NZ$395 (that's like US$170), in (supposedly) mint cond, and with a 4x32 scope.
I thought - wow that looks cool, but since I already have my new HW97 (which I got less then 1 month ago), I figured that I should put that money onto a new scope (I currently have a Simmons 4x32 - going to get a Weaver V16 probably).
Thanks anyway,
Chris
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In Reply to: Re: hey russ, i used the new spring that came with the gun and... posted by Steve B. on August 25, 2000 at 00:12:03:
Steve: you're right. Silicone flat out reeks as a metal to metal lube. May as well use water. RB
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Here some info about WD-40:
What does WD-40 contain?
While the ingredients in WD-40 are secret, we can tell you what WD-40 does NOT contain. WD-40 does not contain silicone, kerosene, water, wax, graphite, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), or any known cancer-causing agents.
What is the shelf life of WD-40?
Indefinite. While some products may have an expiration date, WD-40 lasts so long that a "use by" date isn't necessary.
How long does WD-40 last after application?
While this may vary depending on the application, WD-40 remains effective even after it appears to dry. The corrosion and rust protection ingredients remain adhered to the surface. External conditions may, of course require additional applications of WD-40 for maximum protection.
What does WD-40 do?
WD-40 fulfills five basic functions:
1. CLEANS WD-40 gets under dirt, grime and grease to clean. It also dissolves adhesives, allowing easy removal of labels, tape and excess bonding material.
2. DISPLACES MOISTURE Because WD-40 displaces moisture, it quickly dries out electrical systems to eliminate moisture-induced short circuits.
3. PENETRATES WD-40 loosens rust-to-metal bonds and frees stuck, frozen or rusted metal parts.
4. LUBRICATES WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and tenaciously held to all moving parts.
5. PROTECTS WD-40 protects metal surfaces with corrosion-resistant ingredients to shield against moisture and other corrosive elements.
What surfaces or materials are OK to use WD-40 on?
WD-40 can be used on just about everything. It is safe for metal, rubber, wood and plastic. WD-40 can be applied to painted metal surfaces without harming the paint. Polycarbonate and clear polystyrene plastic are among the few surfaces on which to avoid using a petroleum-based product like WD-40.
What about using WD-40 on my sports equipment?
WD-40 is safe and effective to use on all types of sporting goods. Use WD-40 on your bike to clean, degrease and lubricate your chain, derailleur, gears, cogs, and moving parts. It will help remove stickers. Use WD-40 to clean and protect your gun. It will prevent corrosion and it won't damage bluing. Spray it on dirt bikes to protect parts and prevent mud from sticking. Use it on watercraft to protect metal surfaces from corrosion and to drive out moisture.
would this scope work fine for a 630/fps air rifle,light hunting and plinking or a fixed 4x32
Thanks
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In Reply to: " Military scholars estimate that during World War II, 10,000 shots had to be fired before one hit the enemy. " posted by vZc® on August 25, 2000 at 00:15:48:
Those clowns would blow thru clips and never hit a single bad guy. RB
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In Reply to: Re: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by Jackie Collins on August 24, 2000 at 22:56:49:
Jackie knew right where to come to. LOL RB
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In Reply to: Beeman SLR-98 posted by Brian on August 24, 2000 at 08:19:27:
Brian, I agree with everything Derrin said.I have had mine for over a year now. Mine seems to like mid weight pellets the best. FTS's ect.Of all the air rifles I own, and someone told me I could keep only "ONE" this would be the one.Buy a extra magazine and watch yourself smile.
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In Reply to: hey russ, i used the new spring that came with the gun and... posted by dana on August 24, 2000 at 23:26:12:
Dana: I used BELRAY Motorcycle Chain Lube (the black smelly kind) on my spring it works great and it's still there over a year later. I used Machinists Center Lube (gray/black smelly stuff) on the piston. I personally have always been totally underwhemed with silicon lubes for ferrous applications. Good luck...
Oh yea, listen to Russ on the pellets - use light ones, Hobbys also shoot well, I've gotton best best groups with Copperhead domes and CPLs though (both 7.9).
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: I know it's early, but... What airguns do you want for X'mas? posted by Peter Kay on August 24, 2000 at 23:31:42:
A .22 Pro Elite (already got a Burris 4-12 compact to sit atop it). That would be sweet!
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Can this gun even shoot? It's so cheap, do you get what you pay for?
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In Reply to: Can the 1077 shoot accurately posted by Shawn Halin on August 25, 2000 at 00:01:27:
What's your definition of accuracy? 2" at 20 yards? Less?
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In Reply to: Re: Antique German Air Rifle posted by Driskill on August 24, 2000 at 15:11:10:
Mike, et al: the gun is an Em-Ge rifle, model 'Krone'. Nice simple barrel-cocker. Mine is 38.5" long, adj' trigger, tangent rear sight, walnut with nice figure in the butt - much like a better-built Diana 25.
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In Reply to: Re: Lubing springer pellets with Slick50 Onelube posted by Roland Martens on August 24, 2000 at 23:58:50:
Roland: yes. WD will damage the seals eventually. Nearly any airgunsmith will tell you to stay away from that stuff. RB
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Can this crosman gun shoot accurately once you get used to trhe trigger, if that's that possible?
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In Reply to: Bring it on! nt posted by Willey M on August 24, 2000 at 23:57:29:
Any first choices? Or should I just reach into the airgun grab bag(or one of my gun safes)?RB
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In Reply to: Re: Lubing springer pellets with Slick50 Onelube posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 22:24:22:
m54 .22 GSI
Lubed the last 400 CP's 14.3 gr I shot wiht WD40. Heads up on top of a cardboard. Let'em dry for 1 hour, back to the tin.
No dieseling at all, consistant vel (av. 789 fps), tight groups at 50 yds, no fliers, some light bore cleaning after 200 shots showed less lead dirt on the bore.
Do you have any experience with WD40 regarding to possible seal agression?
Regards
Roland
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
nt
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In Reply to: I know it's early, but... What airguns do you want for X'mas? posted by Peter Kay on August 24, 2000 at 23:31:42:
The ZM2002, but barring that, a Stalker Tiger ten LE in .22 will suffice.:>) Russ
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In Reply to: Too bad he doesn't carry his own gun, eh? (nt) posted by Dave L on August 24, 2000 at 23:54:47:
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In Reply to: Re: FT PCP choices posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 21:31:44:
I agree. I do have the pump but rarely use it. I have an AA S300 and pumping it from around 1500 PSI to 2600 is a piece of cake. 2600 to 2800 is a lot harder but not that bad.
I just got a real nice CR-97 yesterday and I got a new scuba fill station from a paintball supplier. Just a note on this. It was too thick to fit on my tanks valve so I had to put it in the mill and take a bit off so it would fit. It will fit newer style valves as we tried it on the tanks at the shop before I bought it.
In case anyone is wondering yes the CR-97 is why I was asking all the scope questions today.
Art
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Santa came early to my house today.He finally brought me that 22cal DIANA 54 I've been wanting.I have been shooting a Beeman S1.I posted earlier how I was shooting wild ones about 20% of the time.After I read all the instructions that came with the gun I shot some CPs out of it at 12yds.,no adustment to the iron sights.First shot missed a .25" star by 0.5".The next three all touch each the star and each other. I then shot some other pellets and got decent groups.Decided the CPs did best.Proceeded to put on the Bushnell Troph.4-12.The first shots with it on when in the ground.It took a lot fiddling but I got the scope to group about .5" from the stars.They grouped this well at 15,20, and 25yds.The only problem I'm trying to figure out is that when I zero in on one star,stars below and to the right of the zeroed star would have groups low and to the left by about .75" @25 yds.I'm guessing my scope isn't plumb.I'm using and RWS C mount and the tube fits really tight in the rings making it hard to twist because it scratches it.Any ideas on how to deal with this prob.Otherswise I love this gun.I have a line on at least three good places to go after graydiggers.
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In Reply to: Re: Way off topic ... posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 23:40:30:
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In Reply to: Re: gold trigger posted by Darry H on August 24, 2000 at 22:21:54:
Darry: the trigger blade is the only thing gold in the trigger assy'. The sear and levers inside are all identical. The gold should have nothing to to with friction reduction or break in, as there is none inside. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 23:25:46:
OK- how about this? I post it here, then archive it at the BSA Club? Do we have the space? Can you make a Collectors Corner page? Russ
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In Reply to: hey russ, i used the new spring that came with the gun and... posted by dana on August 24, 2000 at 23:26:12:
Dana: my mistake, I thought you were chronying CP lites! OOps! Why use heavies in that gun? Geco's shoot great in them and are a LOT faster. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Yaw Model posted by Mikey on August 24, 2000 at 23:31:16:
Smith Chart for projectiles ... hmmmm interesting
concept ... I need to think about this :-)
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In Reply to: Yeah RIGHT! posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 23:29:58:
Yup- back in those days, we all had leather seals, which had just replaced shaped fish scales. The hot set up for pteradactyl was a TREX200, which was bellows charged by the village idiot. When we finally went to bulk, we'd store air in a cured Brontosaurus lung. The gun of choice for archaeopteryx was the Veloci-Raptor with solid bone Bedrock™ pellets. A ghillie suit usually consisted of a smelly Dire Wolf skin. Them's was the days alright! RB
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In Reply to: thats what that burning smell was, won't do it again. thanks russ nt posted by dana on August 24, 2000 at 22:55:22:
Works good in spud gun. Also has a little propane in there, says so right on the can next to the Extremely Flammable caution.
Art
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In Reply to: Re: Bavaria 55 Please email for informative booklet posted by Book Butler on August 24, 2000 at 16:27:57:
Book Butler-I've always wanted a BSF fgun so your booklet would be of great interest to me. I would be interested in any bookelet syou have on the BSF or Bavaraia series of air rifles.
Drop me a note and Ill get a check in the mail
Do you have a copy of the ARH FWB 124 shop manual for sale?
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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In Reply to: Re: Way off topic ... posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 23:36:44:
Thanks ... he's pretty shook up ... don't think
he caught the serial number on the shotgun pointed
at his face, either.
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In Reply to: I know it's early, but... What airguns do you want for X'mas? posted by Peter Kay on August 24, 2000 at 23:31:42:
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
Russ-you hit on a winner. Plus it would force me to shoot more on a chrony to get results. I like the idea and I have a few toys to test, thats for sure.
Stuff like HW55MM, FWB 300S, K60 Pardini, Skanaker; Diana target model 5 pistol (1930 era). Thansk for the thoughts.
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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In Reply to: Way off topic ... posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 23:34:00:
Bummer, good thing he wasn't hurt!(side note: I wonder if the gun was registered and if the perp uses a trigger lock at home?)
Real glad he's OK.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
Russ,
That's a great idea, nothing I like better than free reliable information (actually, I like anything free). I think your stuff belongs in one of the resuource links of this fourm and it will become historical data. I wonder if future anthropologists will research the anchent "web" for insights on the crowmagnum ets.?
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My son just called from Milwaukee, where he's going
to Med School ... he was robbed at gunpoint, car, etc.
gone ... he's talking to detectives now.
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In Reply to: Yaw Model posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 23:24:47:
Craig: you mentioned before something about twist rates affecting yaw. I have some knowledge of this myself in the firearms arena, where-in you can have a custom barrel made to fit the specs of your bullet and load. Such isn't the case with airguns. We are pretty much stuck with the twist rate the manufacturer gives us. In these cases, switching to a pellet of different length and weight can help solve the problem. Spring gun twists run from 1:9" to 1:19" depending on the gunmaker (I don't think AA publishes their twist rate). Russ
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I want a the new Air Daystate Sportman MkIII (.22 cal) (if/when it becomes available in the US), FWB P70 with aluminum stock and a Career Tanker 707 (.22 cal)...
Let's hear what you want... airguns and accessories wise.
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In Reply to: Yaw Model posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 23:24:47:
Looks loke the very first Smith Chart I tried to do. Ahhh, that was so many years ago.
Sorry, just a little off topic reminicing.
Mikey
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In Reply to: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 18:11:43:
Yaw is a likely culprit. I assume your gun is a bolt action type. The pellet may not be centered exactly in the same axis as the barrel. I would try other pellets with a larger skirt diameter. Also check the bolt face for uniformity. I have seen variations in breach size in airguns. Getting a proper fit solves most problems.
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In Reply to: Great idea Russ, you can really help us newbies to learn more about classics that we missed. nt. posted by acet on August 24, 2000 at 23:22:40:
Like I want to learn from Russ how when he was a child they hunted with the BSA Fintstone, bought it for 3 clams and it shot 5,5 mm stones at 200 Willma's a second. Good for good for hunting eohepuses but not T. rex although some neaderthal always tries to do it.
Regards,
Craig
PS Betty was HOT!
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In Reply to: Re: Home made bench rest/bags posted by Art on August 24, 2000 at 23:14:35:
It's better if you get some piece of screen wire and sift the sand. Play sand has some larger pebbles in with the mix. Also don't over fill the bags as you want it to sag a little in the middle.
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
a forum can't get any better, WHAM,it happens. (That's a yes vote for those of you who aren't right on top of things tonight) :-)
Dave
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In Reply to: Re: izh61 self tune info posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:07:21:
russ, i used the new spring according to this site that someone gave me. your name was mentioned a few times too. anyway, according to dave remling, his izh61 after a tune was shooting cp heavies at 355 fps. so i thought i was ok. the sear seams fine. but i need to get the right lubes for the job and take my gun apart again and do it over. i used dow 111 silicone grease and a little motor oil on the spring. i'm having fun with it. later - dana
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In Reply to: Re: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:21:07:
Need more hits on the BSA page.
Also user guns would be nice, people always ask.
Regards,
Craig
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Here's the diagram for the yaw model. Green is the begining, red is the end. Please remember these are very small variations that can be seen in slow moving projectile systems(like airguns and pellets) For faster moving systems you need some very sophisticated cammeras and such.
In most systems it will start at 0 degrees at muzzle exit (T) and work it's way out to 1 degree then back into near 0 degrees.
Regards,
Craig
In Reply to: Great idea Russ, you can really help us newbies to learn more about classics that we missed. nt. posted by acet on August 24, 2000 at 23:22:40:
That was my premise. There were some great airguns in days done by, and airgun fans could find some quite interesting. Too bad I don't have a scanner for some of the photo's. RB
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
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In Reply to: Re: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 23:16:48:
Now there's an idea!(although it won't necessarily be BSA related). RB
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In Reply to: QB or not QB posted by Mac1 on August 24, 2000 at 22:19:42:
1)-Do you have any QB77 left? 2)-How's the CMP-160 I sent you for the "works" coming along? Can't wait to compare it against the QB22 Custom that I got.
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
I say add it to the BSA page.
Regards,
Craig
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I was just thinking about an idea where I could choose an airgun each week from the volumes of airgun books I have in my library, and do a brief write-up on it. Guys like Driskill and Doug Law could help me out of I get off track- or maybe do a write up of their own once in a while. This would feature airguns that are currently NOT being produced.
One other possibility could be that readers would submit requests about a particular gun, and then I would gather as much info as I can on it; printing it here. I have very little info on american made airguns, except Crosman (thanks to Dean Fletchers' books), but have plenty about euro guns. What say gang? Anyone interested? Russ
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In Reply to: Home made bench rest/bags posted by Mark Ferreira on August 24, 2000 at 22:19:05:
Try going to a local Skeet or Trap range and explain what you are doing. I am sure the shooters would donate some empty 25 Lb. Shot bags(the shot is 25 lb not the bags).
The bags are canvas and when filled with play sand they make very good bench rest bags.
Art
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 22:25:19:
Like I said most are running and hiding, some are standing their ground, some are recruiting others, and some are out picking on starling lovers, playing into the "crazy gun lovers" image.
There are more against us and "don't care" then there are those that do.
Logic wins, emotions cloud the issue.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: PEANUT-BUTTER-- posted by jr99 on August 24, 2000 at 18:53:58:
I think the rats around here went to "rat survival and training" college.... They won't have anything to do with peanut butter. I but some out for them, right along their normal little route, they wouldn't touch it. Days later it finally disappeared.. Who knows what ate it.... I was even careful to not touch it so they would not detect as much of a "human" smell.....
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In Reply to: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 18:11:43:
The way you describe it it sounds like an incidence of Yaw.
As you shoot the pellet spins around it's axis, based on how stable that pellet is it may deviate slightly off of it's axis either due to imperfections in the bore, imperfections or imballance in the weight distribution of the pellet, improper rates of twist, bad crown or it can be induced externally by wind or secondary natural forces. Since you are shooting UP gravity is doing only one thing, pulling the pellet back down, so it's inducing a speed decrease and it is not effecting the trajectory of the pellet (in the most general of terms)
That being said the dynamically stable pellet is trying to center itself along its axis.
The simple two arms model adequatly describes the yawing motion of spin-stabilized bullets, resulting from the action of all aerodynamic moments. The yawing motion can be understood as a superposition of a fast and a slow oscillation, often called nutation and precession.
In truest laymens terms, if you ever had a spyrograph (that plastic thing with the outter circle and an inner plastic disc) as the inner disk moves around an axis point, the disk also rotates around it's own axis as it navigates the rotation of the cirumference of the outer disk.
Sort of small circles inside big circles.
Now as the pellet travels along the effect is nominal then gets larger then after a few hundred to few thound calibers distance it "calms down".
In your instace shooting UP the whole process is somewhat enhanced as gravity can not work to counter the gyroscopic stabilization, and the speed is decreased so the yaw is not as effectively overcome by speed and gyroscopic stabilization. Lastly when you shoot UP there really is no "bowed" trajectory (or minimal (based on the fact that there may be drift of 10 or so degrees) so the pellet doesn't drop out of your line of site persay, as it would when firing horizonatally. So the effect is easier to see.
Ater yaw is dampend out the left over shift as exhibeted by the bullet´s axis of symmetry and the tangent to the trajectory deviation (a small angle) is called the yaw of repose,
If you would like a diagram of this effect please e-mail me, I have one that is PERFECT.
To stop it, mostlikely you have to change one or more of those internal modifiers, twist rate, imperfections in the bore or breech (most likely cause), maybe some bad crowning, maybe you are overstabilizing the pellet by shooting too fast or two slow. Also I think that shooting UP will make it look worse.
Regards,
Craig
I will say it's most prob not RANDOM, it's almost predictable.
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In Reply to: izh61 self tune info posted by dana on August 24, 2000 at 22:53:21:
Dana: it sounds weak. You may want to use the additional spring to swap out. also- if the sear isn't lifted to clear the piston during piston removal, the seals lip can become damaged and power will be lost. The same is true when installing the piston. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Supermax 1000, B-21, B-22 user comments posted by James Kitching on August 24, 2000 at 10:53:57:
hey there worth alot more than what you pay for them thats for sure.i have two a sm 1000 /and a b/21 .and i would put them both up face to face with the rws 48.s that there knock offs of.they take alot of shooting to get them to settle down,with brake in and giving the shooter time to master the recoil and the power.both of mine group at 3/4 to 1 in. at 30 yards on a average day and better groups on a good day,,,,,woody
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In Reply to: Logun Update and a gripe or two. posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 15:54:53:
Craig,
How does the Logan compare with the Falcon Raptor?
JP
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In Reply to: Re: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by Ryp on August 24, 2000 at 09:51:59:
You don't need to do that the "Staling Lovers" are quite capable of reading messages on other forums too.
Jackie Collins
Moderator of Starling Talk
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In Reply to: Re: i sprayed some pellets with wd-40 because they looked dull and fps went way up, is this a good thing? posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 21:05:58:
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tore apart my izh61 because it jammed. after cleaning and rebuilding the gun it was shooting cp heavies at 355 fps. biggest problem was the screws holding plastic reciever to gun. the front screw was stripped and the other two by the trigger are next. i tapped 11/32 in the front and will do the others soon. also put a hose clamp on the stock because i extended it all the way out and it is very flimsy when cocking. i will eventually replace all phillips head screws for hex screws. this was my first tune and i think it went well. thanks to all who have posted info about the izh61 - later -dana
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In Reply to: Home made bench rest/bags posted by Mark Ferreira on August 24, 2000 at 22:19:05:
How about a canvas sand bag
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In Reply to: Re: Well...no hunter injoys death posted by M Boyle on August 24, 2000 at 20:38:50:
I have nothing against hunting except for people bragging about it. Oh wow, how macho, you killed a small aminal. Thats what I don't like.
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In Reply to: Re: i sprayed some pellets with wd-40 because they looked dull and fps went way up, is this a good thing? posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 22:02:07:
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In Reply to: Re: Don't forget the " mess around with it " factor posted by Mike Reames on August 24, 2000 at 21:08:49:
I put in the order for a Huntsman yesterday! should be cool. Now I just have to learn to shoot!
Dave
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In Reply to: DRY FIRING WEBLY TEMPEST posted by MATT G on August 24, 2000 at 22:17:56:
The spec. for that gun is 525 fps. In the real world if you get 450 fps the gun is probably ok. If it shoots ok at 33 feet there is no real need to overhaul it. If you decide to, the piston seal and mainspring are the best bet. Springs get weak after ten years with lots of use. If you take the gun apart a new seal for the piston is good insurance. If you get new parts post again to get lubrication instruction for the piston and spring.
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In Reply to: Ian Pellant Article posted by Happy Gardener on August 24, 2000 at 14:27:55:
Ian has a lot of interesting ideas to share including
his software.
I have had the pleasure to write to Ian and he has always
provided detailed well thought out answers to my questions.
Ian really is a credit to airgunning.
Keith
Seattle
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In Reply to: Bad Day At The Bench posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 15:11:16:
At 500 shots, the gun ain't even broken in. I had the exact same thing happen, the pattern looked like a worm crawling up the target (it was a one hole group though). Don't worry about it, keep shooting off-hand for another 1000 shots then check it again. I bet you'll see a round one hole group.
Matt
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 21:57:57:
Your right of course. But apathy and the ostrich effect are not gong to get us any place. I'm not a zealot but I do like to stand up for whats due. Good OR bad. I liken it to this Firestone tire recall, in that these SUV drivers know that their tires are under a recall but they just keep up driving at 75mph!! Is that a death wish?? Or a Life Insurance policy??
Or maybe that "Million Mom" march. Who,when on their way home were driving along at 75mph, smoking their cigarettes, talking on their Cell phones, and yelling at their children in the back seat who don't know how to use a seatbelt.
You are right!! But I guess one mans trash is another mans treasure, and the twain shall never meet!!
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In Reply to: Which pelets work best in the Crosman 600?.... posted by JimC on August 24, 2000 at 10:54:15:
They are the number one. If the gun is beat on an undersize pellet like crosman wadcutters work OK. The really screwed up frames sometimes work OK with Eley wasp, FTS, crosman premiers. You really have to ask the gun. If it doesn't like the Miesters try everything else to see what groups the best.
Later
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: Lubing springer pellets with Slick50 Onelube posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 22:00:10:
Just roll 'em on your arms!
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In Reply to: DRY FIRING WEBLY TEMPEST posted by MATT G on August 24, 2000 at 22:17:56:
You have to OPEN it first before you can really tell, piston seal, spring, chamber face 9can't really replace that one", piston, ground out the chamber...ohhh boy that's about $200 worth of work. Might be better off getting a new one for $150, that's $10 a year.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: R9 Combo posted by RBesdt on August 24, 2000 at 21:11:16:
The Gold plated trigger does seem to shorten the break-in process for the trigger. It seems to smooth up faster.
I liked the combo well enough to buy it myself, and I sell airguns for a living!! I got the .20 caliber, Goldtrigger Combo, and I added a Supertune, and a Crow Magnum Style muzzle break.
First two groups out of the box were about 1/4"
at ten meters. All I had to do was turn a screw and lighten my trigger just a little, and I also had to raise the crosshairs about 1".
I won't argue that it can be more fun, or better to put together your own combo, I just happen to like this one.
Good Shootin!!
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by Jerry on August 24, 2000 at 22:13:03:
I have the same deal as you,except I live on a 30+ acre farm.
I live on the Eastern Shore of VA,where are you?
Thanks-Josh P.
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by Jerry on August 24, 2000 at 22:13:03:
Read the papers? Your gestalt is not neccesarily the rest of the country, and by no means do I want you to take offense BUT every day it gets a bit dimmer for the gun owner in the US.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: QB-78 bla bla bla posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:16:25:
QB fits folks who can't shoot a big gun. It weighs 5.75 lbs and it can be operated by a six year old. The gun is such a tack driver it should be a part of everyones arsenal and then you will discover why everybody loves the QB. It is so darn easy to shoot it is amazing. The trigger can be ouncy and safe, the barrel is XLNT. The gun has great ergonomics and it is real powerful for a CO2 gun. The bottom line is people migrate toward those guns that are the easiest to use and no gun is easier to use than a QB. When a kid shows promising accuracy potential I like to put the QB in thier hand to see what they can do. When people take it out and it keeps up with guns that cost 4 times as much it makes them want to accesorize. I have seen numerous 3-9 leupolds fitted to this gun. I have seen many guys go out with High dollar springers and they take more game with the QB.
I did the Project so the public could once again enjoy the incredible value known as the Crosman 160. WQe always thought it woulde be a real keeper with a good barrel and my valve. When I did the project the 160's around were fetching over $200 once fitted with my valve and dovetails. We knew we could build it to retail for far less than that. It is now a ten year old project and there are a lot of them out there. I knew everyone would buy it or we wouldn't have bothered. It fits a niche nobody else tries to fill. When you figure your getting a metal and wood gun for a little more than American Plastic it is a great deal. The only way to discover the reason is to get one and try it. They don't suck. Accurate guns are the only fun guns and these will keep high dollar equipment honest. Try bit and see what all the excitement is about.
Later
Tim
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Several boys in my son's Boy Scout troop want to get their Rifle Shooting merit badge. They can use a air rifle, and have to shoot frombench rest. I need to make 3 or 4. I know this question has come up before, but not needing one, I didn't pay much attention. Thanks for the advice, the cheaper the better, I'm not sure they will get used much after they get their badges.
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In Reply to: Re: Bad Day At The Bench posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 21:29:14:
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When I purchased this gun about 15 years ago I did not realize that dry firing could damage this gun. I am now more into airguns and own several so I see the extremely low power it has as compared to my others. Where do I get parts and which parts should I replace while it is dismanteled. Thanks
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In Reply to: Just ramblin! posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 21:47:33:
I thought your earlier post title was in good humor. Our benefactor, Tom Gaylord was of a different opinion. He is concerned with the image that the airgun community presents. He has erased some of mine and I have no hard feelings about it. One thing the Airgun Forum has tought me is that if I declared the sky blue a lot of posters would be only too happy to correct me. They would point out why I was a large scale fool for overlooking overcast days. Everyone has a particular angle of viewing the same thing.
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In Reply to: Accuracy on a Gamo Young Hunter? posted by John Osto on August 24, 2000 at 19:50:32:
At ten meters, with pellets they like, I can cover 5 shots with a shirt button.
Once you get used to the trigger, the gun usually shoots very well.
Good Shootin!!
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by Jerry on August 24, 2000 at 22:13:03:
Did you hear the stink in WI about the PETA billboards?
Guess they got the WI residents pretty well torqued up!
Best not to be a PETA type in WI farm country about now.
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In Reply to: Re: Just ramblin! posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 21:57:57:
I am sorry but i disagree. I live in semi-rural VA and my friends and I love guns! we shoot damn near every day. I love shooting, cleaning, reading about, and talking about guns. Can't get enough of them! I also will gladly take on any of those PETA-heads who think pests should take control of my property!
Guns are life.
Respectfully,
Jerry
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In Reply to: Craig, should have asked what you do with the butt end?? NT posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 17:15:17:
Rabbit ear rear rest by Hoppes.
Regards,
Craig
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I followed Robert's(AG of AZ)directions to increase adj the power by adj the plunger of my huntsman mkII, but have ran into a problem. I took the bbl of, the brass keeper (behind the safety) and the tooled steel piece out (this piece has the spring between this piece and the brass piece that the safety attaches to). but I cannot see a "plunger. it is the small "looks like a fiber, or brass piece about 3/8 inch in diameter that is screwed into the end of what looks like teh compressed air chamber? does this just screw out, where I will fing teh adjusting nut behind it? and since there is a rod in the middle, how do I get it out. need a special tool? humm. I think I may need to send the gun off to get the powr increased. any sugggestions, or someone who can help? is this dangerous? Robeert seemed to think I could do this with no prob.
thom
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In Reply to: i sprayed some pellets with wd-40 because they looked dull and fps went way up, is this a good thing? posted by dana on August 24, 2000 at 20:42:32:
Lubing with WD-40 is like smoking while pumping gas, you can do it but one day you are gonna pay, and pay BIG!
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Lubing springer pellets with Slick50 Onelube posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 21:35:37:
What shooting lubed pellets in spring guns? Sure do it all the time, just store the gun horizontal on barrel down on a cloth otherwise those first few shots are "lube mist". Was wondering if I could lube my pellets with DEET.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Even cooler then airguns posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 21:29:51:
Hawks like to set up in one of our backyard trees
because of the coverage. Even though the view is
mostly down, I've seen them jump UP and go for
some unsuspecting bird passing overhead, all very
acrobatic. Until I saw it, I always thought they
needed the dive to score.
I can always tell where the hawks are, because the
neighborhood crows like to gang up on them. Once
saw a hawk flying at about eye level with a rabbit
hanging from its talons. Crows all over the place.
Hawk finally set down in a tree below our property
and proceeded to jump up and flip over to grab at
passing crows. Had to leave, so don't know how it
ended.
Hawks are COOL!!
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In Reply to: Just ramblin! posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 21:47:33:
Get past it, it's no big deal. Sometimes we got hot on a topic and that's cool. To me it seems most just don't want to "inflame" the psycho pest bird lovers out there as we are running scared. So when they say gun control isn't working, yeah it is...slowly but surely we are more and more afraid to talk about what we love, guns are now a stigma and it's not going to get better.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: 707 with pointed ammo.. posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 18:35:14:
Can the stock gun shoot any pellet as long as it's not pointed
without the mod? If not how come? CD
Without the modification, the gun needs to be taken apart and the pellet stop adjustment needs to be done for every different pellet length you choose. If two pellets are the same length, they will both work. With the modified shuttle, it accepts long pellets within a certain range of length. With the shuttle modification, it will not work with short pellets like Crosman Premiers.
I have the Korean Heavy ammo in stock. The lightest ammo that will shoot in the 707 is the lightest ammo available in .22, but it would be the worst choice. This gun shoots heavy ammo better than anything. Normal pellets will just lead up your barrel if you shoot them hard, requiring extensive cleaning, if you decide to push them. You may think you need to go 1400 fps, but it is just a recipe for inaccuracy.
To put it in terms of energy you could use the same amount of air to shoot Crosman premiers (14.3) at 20 ft. lbs., Kodiaks @ 25 ft' lbs. of Dae Sungs at 30 ft. lbs. Seems a no brainer to me.
Later
Tim
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In Reply to: Doves posted by B on August 24, 2000 at 15:20:27:
I have killed many doves with my air rifle. I usually just set out a few decoys, maybe use some seed to bait them and chill until they come in. You can get some very good shots this way.
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In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:
nt
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In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:
A nice compound bow will dispatch much larger game than a typical airgun. With a rear peep and pins on the front they are very accurate. During the fall K Mart or Walmart will have a decent bow for $125 or so. Low price, accurate and maybe mom will approve.
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I would like to say a few words in my own defense concerning some vermin (starlings) on the post of this morning. I don't know how many of you out there are home owners, BUT I am!! And I put in my time tending and caring for a small garden, which includes a small Raspberry patch. And again I don't know how many of you will even eat a Raspberry. But I, myself enjoy eating them and giving some to friends. What is so disconcerting is to see the fruit of your labor being gobbled up by a bunch of voracios vermin!! And then the proverbial icing on the cake, they drop their red colored CRAP on my truck, patio, and windows!!
I have had them clean me out in ONE day. That means Nothing for me.
You might think I'm being greedy. But I've shared my berry's with a flock of Cedar Wax Wings and they have never cleaned me out. Robins, Mocking birds, and Blue Jays are all lone wolf feeders and can never eat the quatity of a s**t bird!!
And as far as bird feeders go I use them. I have trained the squirrels to stay away. I know you think I'm going to just shoot them right??
Well YES i shoot them . But with a blow gun using push pins. I give them the incentive to stay away! This incentive overcomes the urge to munch on the acorns in my oak tree!
So all you bunny huggers know I don't execute, assasinate, terminate with extreme prejudice, or slap them down. I just rid my humble home stead of a few pests.
I know you spray your Apple tree for insects, are you not killing them??? How do you feel about the reintroduction of Wolfs into you favorite hiking area, How about Mountain Lions?? Would you be scared?? Would you carry a BIG gun witht you???
You know I really don' have to defend my position! I was defending my raspberry's! So until I retire and am able to sit on my patio ALL DAY LONG just to be able to eat the fruit of my labor, I WILL continue to --------
Long Haired Country Boy
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In Reply to: Even cooler then airguns posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 21:29:51:
Craig you are right hawks have a certain style about them sorta like a heat seeking missile.
Once while Bow hunting I watched a hawk take out a chukar in mid flight, and have seen sparrow hawks chase squirrels!!!
MarkD
PS if only we could get this action on video
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In Reply to: Even cooler then airguns posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 21:29:51:
Craig: were the Hawks wearing A Team decals? RB
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Having run out of 'dry' Premiers, I grabbed some lubed ones and shot them through my .177 R-9. They appear to be shooting very well with no dieseling. I don't know how ell this would work in a Patriot .177 or RWS 48, but it's looking good in the mid range magnums. Any body else try this yet? Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Best pellet shape to reduce drag....take what i said with a grain of salt ..short mem ;) posted by M Boyle on August 24, 2000 at 21:02:38:
Oh no, you're right on as far as the heaviest pellets in .177 having the best BC's; CP heavies, Kodiaks, and RWS FTS pellets all weigh in right around 10.5 grains and have great downrange ballistics. My problem has always been finding one of them that also shoots accurately in my guns. The best compromise I've been able to find is the Marksman FTS (8.9 gr.) and Beeman Ramjets (9.8 gr.). But between those two, the FTS is still the most accurate overall, short distance or long. This is just in my own guns of course, others may have had different experiences with them. Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: TO TIM MCMURRAY AT MAC1 posted by Jon F. on August 23, 2000 at 23:09:36:
Generally, optics should be somewhat centered when you count the clicks and go halfway. This is not cast in concrete and it doesn't necessarily mean the scope is damaged if it doesn't center up halfway through the adjustment. The V blocks will enable you to find center adjustment by continuing to adjust the scope until spinning the scope in the V blocks does not change the crosshair impact point. You need to have the scope centered to know how much droop you need, and the only way to get it truly centered and verify that, is with the V blocks. The closer you get to the center, the smaller the circle will be that the crosshairs cover. Before you send your scope back, try to find optic center in this fashion. You might find you need a different degree of droop than you anticipated.
Later
Tim
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In Reply to: Full auto BB gun posted by Jon Powell on August 23, 2000 at 01:56:05:
Thanks, everyone.
Maybe we need to develop a competitive event around full-auto BB guns. I guess it would be a rapid fire event, right?
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In Reply to: Re: FT PCP choices posted by BSJ on August 24, 2000 at 21:23:07:
You're right that AA is really good BUT the guys pumping up a 707 and I don't think it gets much worse than that so pumping up an AA's is childs play.
Regards,
Craig
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I am trying to find individuals in the CNY are that would be interested in an adult league for people who like to shoot Airguns. Even if you are not interested in matches or precision shooting. ANYONE is welcome to give it a try. We can conduct special events such as Field target shooting, and steel siloettes(spelling?), 10m rifle/pitol. You need nothing more then interest, time, and a weapon(if we cant provide one), Forget any skills, we can provide you with the proper training. I myself and in the US army stationed at Ft Drum and shoot things ALOT larger then airrifles. If you are at all interested in this group and live in Central or nothern NY please email me at ammodawg18@aol.com
PFC Chase, William, S
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Went up to NH to help a friend clear out a barn full of pigeons. I guess the are gonna be cutting the grass soon and don't want the pigeons making a mess on the new hay.
Took a stalker and a logun, figured we would tag team and shoot from the loft and from below in the tack room.
Anyways we shot about 3 or 4 and some flew outside, they sit on the edges of the barn and on the roof line when they get "scared".
We went out and were walking around the side of the barn, getting ready to line up some shots when out of nowhere this Red tailed hawk comes flying in at some ridiculous speed and angle and plucks one of the birds off the roof. About 5 seconds later another comes in and does the same thing.
The birds got scared and flew into an old frame barn (no roof just support timbers) we took a couple and in process another hawk came in and darted through the rafters and plucked one off.
By the end of the evening it was airgunners 13, hawks 4.
Hawks won on points for style.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Bad Day At The Bench posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 19:24:14:
It may just be a pellet issue. Try some high quality domed pellets. Kodiaks, Premiers, etc. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Steyr LP5P and red dot sight posted by pilkguns on August 24, 2000 at 21:06:50:
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In Reply to: FT PCP choices posted by Ralph M. on August 24, 2000 at 20:18:18:
My Pro Target FT is great right out of the box.
Get a QC adapter from Mac-1 for your pump. You can switch back and forth from the probe to the Air Arms QC with your hose set up this way.
Why don't you want a SCUBA tank? They're cheaper than you think. I paid $85 for a used one. Plus you'll be so worn out from pumping the PT you won't want to shoot it very often. BTW I can get about 60 shots at 17 ft/lb with mine. No way in the world I'd want to pump it back up after that. So I only use my pump to top it off as the tank gets low.
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In Reply to: i sprayed some pellets with wd-40 because they looked dull and fps went way up, is this a good thing? posted by dana on August 24, 2000 at 20:42:32:
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Has anyone considered those recoil dampers commonly intended for firearms? They are available filled with mercury,its supposed to react to the movement of the gun. I've seen these also available for bow shooting. It would require a hole drilled in the stock under the recoil pad. any body have any advise on this ?
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In Reply to: Re: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 19:37:21:
Some evidence suggests that pellets in the high 900 fps range can start showing effects, but this would vary with pellet configuration. The design dictates how the boundary layer will act. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 19:48:01:
What did you do to the port? As a general rule, factory transfer port diameters are very close to optimal. RB
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In Reply to: R9 Combo posted by Pepi on August 24, 2000 at 19:47:52:
I'd rather buy the base gun then choose my own accessories, rather than get the ones chosen for you. You may come up with a superior scope mounted on your gun for less money. The goldfinger has a gold colored trigger, but that does nothing for the gun. Otherwise, the gun is identical. If you hate shopping or have difficulty making decisions, then get the Goldfinger. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Don't forget the " mess around with it " factor posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 21:02:23:
Nah, that ol' beater isn't worth messing up! Can't swing St Paul, Ingvar is probably po'd at me, but I'll be in Md..... M
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In Reply to: Re: Steyr LP5P and red dot sight posted by David Bruce on August 24, 2000 at 20:18:31:
there are a number of diffent ways we scope thses guns, depending on how you want to do them
Best thingto do is give us a call and explain what yu want, an we can advise from there
Scott
PS typcial unmdodified speed with 53 g match pellets, is 510- 520 fps
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In Reply to: i sprayed some pellets with wd-40 because they looked dull and fps went way up, is this a good thing? posted by dana on August 24, 2000 at 20:42:32:
One of the chemical components in WD-40 is kerosene. Not a good idea. I'd clean the pellets off with hydrocarbon derivative spray cleaner such as Brakeleen or Electro Clean then spread onto a papertowel to air dry. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Best pellet shape to reduce drag.... posted by Uncle Gary on August 24, 2000 at 20:43:25:
you can take what i said with a grain of salt..im no number nut. and only remember what i glanced at..so i can truely be semi wrong..wont admit to being fully wrong..;) i remember 0.035 and 0.040 ..i remember kodiaks were a close second BC wise..only had the books for 2 days. they seem to be one set of books id recamend to any airgunner. and im dyslexic :)
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In Reply to: Re: Don't forget the " mess around with it " factor posted by Mike Reames on August 24, 2000 at 18:07:27:
Hey Mike thats not the QB I traded off to you is it?? Must have been a noble cause. Why ain't you in St.Paul??
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In Reply to: Re: Check this first...... posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 20:41:10:
Tighten them as much as possible, but don't crunch the wood! A lot of guys put metal star washers, etc., under the screws, but I like Loktite best. Actually you can use the red on these screws, they're big enogh to break them loose again if you have to. As for the partial turn, well, 1/4 turn loose on either one of the forend screws in my HW-77 is all it takes for accuracy to start evaporating in a hurry! You also might try loosening all the screws, then rocking the action a little bit to make sure its firmly bedded before tightening them all up again. This is a matter of the individual gun, but I've seen it make a big difference on some of them. Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: i sprayed some pellets with wd-40 because they looked dull and fps went way up, is this a good thing? posted by dana on August 24, 2000 at 20:42:32:
WD-40 will eat seals and diesel. next time dont worry about the looks so much. wanta spray anything on it use pledge. or finishline dry Krytech wax spray. search Tower hobby\bobbies then when there search finishline dry finishline has a cleaner too..2 days ago i tryed fingernail polish remover on a rag...roll them on a dampened rag with the remover roll them around the rag with yer hand the rag with water do the same spray with pledge or finishline
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In Reply to: i sprayed some pellets with wd-40 because they looked dull and fps went way up, is this a good thing? posted by dana on August 24, 2000 at 20:42:32:
as the spring of the gun pushes forward, it produces massive amount of heat for a macrosecond. this heat is igniting the wd-40 which then is propelling the pellet even faster. it will make ur gun shoot inconsistent because fps will vary greatly depending how much wd-40 u use. i can't image it being very good for the gun as it is an airgun and you are making it into a firearm.
hth,
john
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In Reply to: FT PCP choices posted by Ralph M. on August 24, 2000 at 20:18:18:
Hard to beat the Air Arms Pro-Target. I have a righty for myself and a lefty for my son. Extremely accurate and can be tuned by Allen Zasadny for better efficiency if you want. I also have a CRX and had a ZM2002 so I can make some comparisons. The CRX and ZM are awesome but the Pro-Target ranks right up there with them in accuracy.
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In Reply to: Re: Best pellet shape to reduce drag.... posted by M Boyle on August 24, 2000 at 20:24:29:
Agreed as for the MV Mike, but what I was going by was my chrony figures for the pellets mentioned at 35 yds. I thought we were talking about CP lites, the CP heavies do have a higher BC. Actually I think the .177 Kodiak overall has the best downrange performance, but some guns don't handle them well. Cheers!
Unc
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just put my izh61 back together and it functions great. i was shooting over a chrony with 10.5gr cp's at about 350fps. i had some pellets that were a little dull looking and sprayed them with wd-40(little bit). i noticed that while shooting these pellets(coated with wd-40) over the chrony the fps jumped up to 380's. is this a good thing or a bad thing? tried this with my 48(22) and the fps jumped from 750's to 800's.
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In Reply to: Check this first...... posted by Uncle Gary on August 24, 2000 at 19:59:29:
The time before this session, I did snug up the
stock screws just to make sure there wasn't a
problem. At that time, they were definitely not
loose, but I was able to sneak in a partial turn
on all but one (rear trigger guard). I stopped
there, because I was concerned about compressing
the wood (less than one "grunt" force). Should I
have cranked 'em down until they won't go further?
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In Reply to: Well... posted by TK on August 24, 2000 at 18:38:45:
the point has alway been the hunt. i know of people who have hunted 10+ yrs. either never got a deer or only got 1 deer. they love the outdoors, they love to shoot. they like deer meat. some give it to the poor free..hunting vermin is a service..remember india had a plague prob..sp? killing rats isnt hunting its pest removal..pests carry desease
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In Reply to: QB-78 bla bla bla posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:16:25:
all i can say is IPSC colt 45 ..stock $300ish race gun $2000+
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In Reply to: Re: Best pellet shape to reduce drag.... posted by Uncle Gary on August 24, 2000 at 20:09:27:
Unc, its not how fast it comes out of the barrel its downrange speed that gives kodiaks and CPs a step up in BC. BC for CP is a think 0.035-0.040 FTS is under the 0.035..FSI tables..granted id check it with your own gun..might be higher
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In Reply to: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 18:11:43:
I noticed with my Crosman 2200 / 2100. From a solid rest position, most of the pellets go normal, hit center target, but some spiral. I can clearly see them. They can hit anywhere 1" to 1.5" from the group. I just consider them as flyers. No air movement in the basement. I cleaned the barrel still happaning. It seem to be worse with pointed pellets and even worse with smaller diameter CP-s.
So far I didn't come to any definite conclusion.
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In Reply to: Steyr LP5P and red dot sight posted by DSpencer on August 24, 2000 at 19:26:31:
DSpencer, You should talk to Scott or Warren at Pilkington Compition. I was talking to them a couple of weeks ago. They said they are working on getting some barrel shrouds machined to take Weaver type scope mounts. I'm not sure if this was for the LP10 or the LP1/LP5. They should be able to help you out. Here is the URL for their home page.
I'm thinking of buying a PCP rifle in .177 for field target use in the next few months and was wondering what you all consider to be the best for $1500 or under.
I'd really like to be able to use my Axsor pump with this rifle,so any help regarding what type of adapter I'd need for said rifle would be appreciated.Currently the pump is set up for my Career.
Thanks a bunch.
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In Reply to: QB-78 bla bla bla posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:16:25:
Craig, you need to do the obvious: since you like to hunt squirrels, get your hands on a good QB-22 for a few days and shoot it! Hunt with it! When you see what a nice handy, accurate little gun it is, you'll like it! Besides, like others have already said, you DON'T necessarily have to spend $70-$300 to make it a honey, you can do most of it yourself. It doesn't take that much to redo the stock into a pretty little sporter either. Hey, try it, you can afford it! [GRIN!] Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Logun Update and a gripe or two. posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 15:54:53:
you know you could spend the money on developing you own pcp..as much as you seem to spend on all these toys..if it worked out, you'd make money by selling them. (this was said tungue N cheek):)
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In Reply to: Re: Air Resistance to Pellets posted by HG on August 24, 2000 at 15:10:16:
I can't agree that the CP is necessarily the best design shape, in all of my springers the Marksman FTS (8.9 gr.) produces very nearly the same muzzle velocity of the lighter RWS Superdome (8.3 gr.), and better downrange ballistics than the Superdome. The same holds true for the CP lite; the FTS produces almost as much MV and downrange ballistics than the CP. Obviously then the FTS has the better shape as far as air resistance. Most of the .177 shooters I know favor the FTS over the other pellets for this reason. Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 19:37:21:
i forget who, but some where way down the page or archeived is a post of a person who had the same prob..turned out the barrel niced a cleaning..just a thought..they were doing long range 60-70yrd bench shooting..
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In Reply to: crow mag III trigger posted by Larry Weldon on August 24, 2000 at 11:54:15:
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In Reply to: A few pistol questions.... posted by JoshieCK on August 24, 2000 at 17:58:11:
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In Reply to: Bad Day At The Bench posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 15:11:16:
Stout break-barrel springers have the nasty habit of regularly loosening the forend screws, sometimes even after they've been secured with blue Loktite! Make sure they're good and tight, because if they're not this gun will NEVER produce good accuracy. HTH!
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Air Resistance to Pellets: vented muzzle brake posted by M Boyle on August 24, 2000 at 17:48:21:
I recently made a home-made vented muzzle brake from a mag-lite flashlight. really helps
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What groups does a broken in Young Hunter get at 10 and 30 meters?
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In Reply to: Re: QB-78 bla bla bla posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 15:36:46:
craig,
my 160 is used just for that purpose. I can take them out to about 35 - 40 yards. I have a 4 x 32 Simmons ProAir on mine. Great field gun.
john
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In Reply to: Re: Odd flight pattern. posted by peter huppertz on August 24, 2000 at 19:20:37:
OK thanks for the input. I've just rebuilt the gun
with some mods and I pulled some cotton patches through
the barrel. I used alcohol (isopropanol) for this
but I suspect that only cleared the cutting oil and swarf
after machining the transfer port. Did you use anything else
to clean the barrel - lead is'nt soluble in anything I know
of but there may be something I'm missing?
Gordon S
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Any comments on the R9 Goldfinger combo set from Beeman. I know the R9 is a good gun but how about the add-ons with the combo?
Thanks
Pepi
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In Reply to: Are the new 1377 and 1322 really more powerfull? posted by Fred on August 24, 2000 at 15:56:39:
I bought a 1377 several months ago new. It shoots about 550 max., with 7.9g premiers, 10 pumps.
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In Reply to: Re: Odd flight pattern. posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 19:17:33:
Scope Abberation. Mmmm. I can't see it somehow.
However - I will try with another scope when I
get the chance.
Me moving. Ahh well. If I were to move and the
scope suffered from parallax then I'd get a apparent
shift of the image around the reticule. Problem is
the pellet moves round very fast - faster than I'd
move my head. It's an agitated motion.
Air pockets / breezes. Yep I could understand that
would affect the trajectory. I'll need to check it
at an indoor range before I can comment further on
that one.
The only thing I could think of (assuming it's not
illusion) is how near to the speed of sound does a
pellet need to be before it begins to be affected?
Gordon
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I was wondering if anyone in internet land has mounted a red dot on a Steyr LP5P pistol. I really hate to have it drilled and was wondering if there is anyway around it. I was even thinking of purchasing an extra barrel weight and fabricating something that attaches to it just so I won't have to drill the barrel of the pistol. Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated.
Also I was curious if anyone has chronographed these pistols and if so how fast they typically shoot? Thanks.
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In Reply to: Re: Bad Day At The Bench posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 19:12:17:
I experimented with several pad positions, with
minimum of 5 shots per position. Even tried full
stock contact approach. Note that I also asked
what folks do about the butt end of the gun. I
experimented there too, but not a whole lot.
Pellets: H&N Match wadcutters, the ~8 gr guys with
the grooved skirts.
Breathing and trigger control are easier from the
bench. So I think the best test of that is
offhand, where I do MUCH better in terms of
vertical spread. Ditto the flinching issue.
Also, I have a wee advantage for some of the
control issues ... I'm on drugs :-) Before you
call the cops though, it's 'cuz I use a Beta
Blocker for hypertension ... cheating, huh? ;-)
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In Reply to: Re: Purchasing Pellets posted by jukt on August 24, 2000 at 04:42:13:
That's about $20 per box of 1250 at that rate! Hardly the cheap way to buy them. A single box of 1250 (rather than 5 containers of 250 each) would be at least $5 cheaper ! RB
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In Reply to: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 18:11:43:
I had the same spiraling thing happen to me. It disappeared when I cleaned the barrel.
I find that CP's foul up the barrel *VERY* quickly -- I have to clean the barrel after every 400-500 rounds, or accuracy at longer ranges goes to pot. Using any other pellet, that would be at least 1500 rounds.
Just a thought...
peter
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CJ
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In Reply to: Re: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 19:09:17:
Gordon: it could well be an abberation of the scope, or even you moving slightly after the pellet has been in the air. This would make it seem as though you don't have a true vertical arch to the trajectory. Another thing- breezes and winds exist in distinct layers and pockets, and can be opposite each other. These WILL affect the pellets flight. RB
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In Reply to: Opinions wanted on Crosman 2240 nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 24, 2000 at 17:09:50:
I have had a 2240 for about six months now. I am happy to say that this is one nice pistol. It is the most accurate air pistol I own. I have mounted a laser sight and a red dot sight on it, but I like the red dot sight better. The gun has some real power for a co2 cheapie from walmart. I was outside yesterday with my son shooting little army men at about 20 yards and I hit most of them. ( I can't shoot a pistol to save my life) The gun is very well put together and I have modified the trigger with a different spring to get a lighter pull. It is very easy to work on and there are quite a few companies making custom goodies like a billet reciever with scoperail and bulk fill adapters. I guess I mean to say that I am happy with the gun for the $40.00 I paid for it, You can't go wrong.
Little Pete
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In Reply to: Bad Day At The Bench posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 15:11:16:
Are you resting the gun on the same spot each time? about 3 to 4 " in front of the trigger? Which pellets are you using? Breathing and trigger technique OK? also- are you flinching during recoil? (no follow thru). Some folks flinch and never even realize it, and will even insist that they are not, yet an observer will see it. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Odd flight pattern. posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 18:33:04:
I don't think it's an illusion. I can see *some*
pellets forming a nice arc - but the others are definite
wobblers. You can watch them cross from one side of
the vertical reticule to the other!
Maybe the wobble should'nt have much chance to effect
things at target ranges - but then again there is a loss
in accuracy as distances go out to 40 and 50 yards.
Gordon S
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In Reply to: BSA red dot sight posted by Jack Lynskey on August 24, 2000 at 18:51:30:
Yes- I encountered the same problem. The BSquare 17021 base solved it quickly and beautifully. Try Golden Toller or direct from Bsquare. Regards, Russ
In Reply to: A few pistol questions.... posted by JoshieCK on August 24, 2000 at 17:58:11:
Rats will come out during the day for P.B. and you'll be able to set them up for whatever range you want. Choose your background for safty and something which will highlight the rats presence.
Camouflage the AREA between you and the rat. Picture frame the target area.
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Why Antagonize Folks???????? posted by William on August 24, 2000 at 10:47:36:
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I'am trying to mount a BSA red dot sight RD30 on a Gamo Hunter 220, but am not having any luck. The mount on the BSA sight is to wide to fit the groooves on the Gamo rifle.
Does anyone have any ideas what I can do to get this sight mounted on the rifle?
Thanks,
Jack
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In Reply to: R9 gold finger posted by Pepi on August 24, 2000 at 17:34:01:
I own the Banner and think it's a fine scope especally for one in a "combo" deal. The R9 I think is the best deal out there if you're looking to get everything you need from one purchase.
-MArk
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In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:
Thanks everyone for your input. I just bought a Steyr LP10 for paper punching. While talking to Scott and Warren from Pilkington Competition we discussed a modified LP5 (14" barrel, larger air reservoir, modified regulator, modified barrel shroud for scope mounts/red dot, .177 cal at 750 fps).
My dilemma is do I want to buy this gun at 1500$+ or go with a Falcon FN8 in .22 cal.
Are there other high power PCP pistols I should consider? I've heard about a Falcon Raptor, 8 shot .22. Is this the same as the FN8? Tough decisions.
Maybe I just need to go to AA (Airguns Anonymous) I think I may be an addict.
ps, Do any red dods besides the Bushnell Holo Sight have a 1 MOA dot?
Thanks Dave
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In Reply to: Ditto. (nt) posted by RGunn on August 24, 2000 at 15:52:54:
The way he writes it makes it sound like he enjoyed killing them. There is something wrong with enjoying death.
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In Reply to: Air Resistance to Pellets posted by Happy Gardener on August 24, 2000 at 14:51:26:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: VORTEK Gas Rams posted by RON on August 24, 2000 at 13:11:37:
It means they were unreliable. RB
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for the anal long range shooters
In Reply to: Odd flight pattern. posted by Gordon S on August 24, 2000 at 18:11:43:
It must be an illusion, especially if the gun shoots straight and on target at various distances. RB
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In Reply to: Re: VORTEK Gas Rams posted by HG on August 24, 2000 at 17:28:57:
I haven't had my RX-1 all that long but I do have to say that I love the thing! I can definitely understand what all the enthusiasm has been about.
Look Happy, you're a guy who simply wants to make sure you're getting more than just some dealer's hot air in return for your money. I can't say as I blame you for that! ---- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Yup, Mikes the man...Dude when you going to do a book? -NT- posted by MarkD on August 24, 2000 at 18:02:20:
Thanks Mark! Actually, I have about 2 dozen posts comparable to the one that you've read that Edith has pulled and is, in her own time, going to put into an archive's section. THAT will be my book and of course, she'll be the publisher! Thanks again! ---- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: My Pellet Trap: Another simple Design. posted by Joe on August 24, 2000 at 16:38:07:
And what about the mess of wood...I mean of course I NEVER miss (cough...ahem), but certainly at least ONE of our shooters would shatter pieces of the wood off onto the floor.
On a more serious note, hard surfaces like wood can actually put lead dust into the air. Since traps are usually used in an enclosed space, this would be a problem.
I have learned, much to my chagrin, that some wood (black locust) can actually bounce a pellet right back at you!
Cheers,
Kris Whiteleather
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In Reply to: A few pistol questions.... posted by JoshieCK on August 24, 2000 at 17:58:11:
on the 88 sights..you might try the 3 dot glow sights for the 45colt or what ever look a like that it fits. you could try that..short that a MiniMag with a pressure switch will give extra sight to see the sights. id use a CO2 semi -auto rifle like Mac -1 or Mr Bulk use\have..for rats..on the pellets try the larger size RWS R-10 4.51mm i think is the size..they may work better
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In Reply to: Re: BSA Spitfire who has it online with pricing? N/T posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 11:29:50:
See my post on this subject- yesterday. Should be farther down. RB
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I wonder if anyone can help me with a little
understanding of something I've seen?
When I aim to the sky and watch a fired pellet it
usually does some (to me) random swerving before
disappearing. The best way I can describe the
motion is to liken it to a small agitated fly
zooming around. Sometimes it seems like a spiral
path is being traced but usually it's random.
I kind of expected to see a nice rise and fall
of the pellet as it reached the top of it's
trajectory and fell to earth.
Has anyone got any ideas how to explain and stop
this behaviour?
For the record the rifle is a .22 PCP running CP's
at around 800 to 900 feet per second. But it shows
the same behaviour with other pellet brands too.
I've looked at the crowning through a magnifyer
and it all the lands seem in order.
I've pushed pellets through by hand and the
rifling marks look even.
Anyone got any ideas?
I've been away from the forum for some months so
not sure if I've missed any recent relevant threads?
Gordon S
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In Reply to: Piston Seals posted by James McAllister on August 24, 2000 at 14:35:04:
Not sure about the 35. I know some Diana pistons have to be replaced in order to go to a synthetic seal, as the leather was thin, and crimped around a steel form on the piston head (I've seen mod.45's like this). Why don't you call Tim Challenger at RWS in NJ and ask him. He would know. RB
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In Reply to: A few pistol questions.... posted by JoshieCK on August 24, 2000 at 17:58:11:
That CP88 has a round clip like a revolver right? If so, id try seating the pellets in with a pencil. Lay the clip on a flat table and load it normally then push the pellets down with a pencil. this helped me out with my S&W revolver jams and tightened up my groups.
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In Reply to: QB-78 bla bla bla posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:16:25:
One reason the gun is appealing is you can pretty much do your own thing with it. Adjust,port, polish, paint, grind,& hacksaw. If you screws it up, you are out a few bucks, BUT you can hide it! On a more expensive gun, hesitation(read common sense) rears it's ugly head, and you decide to not try that velocity doubling valve grind you've just thought up. I think this pretty much describes my own thoughts anyway. I had funeral services last week for a QB that gave it's life for an "idea".
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In Reply to: R9 gold finger posted by Pepi on August 24, 2000 at 17:34:01:
I was lookin at the Goldfinger when I got my R9 but decided to go with the standard R9 and add the extras myself. Yes, it cost a little more money but I got what I wanted. In my case I don't get rid of my firearms and airguns. I keep em forever. Get what you want in the first place and enjoy. It's cheaper and more fun in the long run.
Gary
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In Reply to: TO TIM MCMURRAY AT MAC1 posted by Jon F. on August 23, 2000 at 23:09:36:
I counted the clicks over and over a few times until I felt like I was as accurate as possible. This time though, I turned the knobs and they got very tight but I kept turning, I didn't notice this the last time. I then turned the scope in the v-block, making sure everything was steady. It didn't seem quite as bad as the first time but still off a bit. So I called D&R and they said they could and would take care of sending it back to Bushnell but they said it didn't seem like a problem and that Bushnell would probably send it back saying it was fine. D&R said it sounded like my mounts had too much compensation which is what Tim said so I'll call Tim on Fri and see about some 10 minute mounts.
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In Reply to: Bavaria 55 posted by Markus L on August 24, 2000 at 16:09:36:
Marcus: it's an excellent airgun.Hopefully, it'll be servicable and will no doubt need a couple doses of Beeman or RWS chamber oils (leather seals). It was the forerunner to the later BSF guns such as the 60,70 and 80. Jim Maccari sells tune kits for BSF guns, so if the gun is really tired, contact with Jim would be a good idea. RB
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In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Mike Pearson on August 24, 2000 at 13:18:04:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: TX200 SR? posted by RON on August 24, 2000 at 13:20:16:
I own a whole range of air rifles and I consider my TX200 Sr one of the best I have ever owned. I have also heard of some of the difficulties others have had with this rifle but I have personally never expierenced any of these problems and neither has a good friend of mine. It would be one of the last air rifles I would ever sell out of my collection. Just my two cents.
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In Reply to: Re: Air Resistance to Pellets posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 15:16:56:
i recieved the FSI pellet balistics books yesterday. and have been reading a nother book on firearms balistics..you can get a log from FSI that lets you put yer own data down too..makes me want a portable altimeter ..i found one that has berometric pressure, humidity, temp, time, altitude, "windspeed" and windchill not much smaller then a cellphone. for geting data on every shot it wouldbe a help with a compass or wind flag..longrange benching of airguns is a sinch
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I have a walther CP-88. Now to the questions:
I have problems with the pellets staying in the clips. It always seems that they're too loose. I'm always very careful not to crush the pellet at all but they always are a bit loose. This isn't much of a problem (usually) with wadcutters, but it's ALWAYS a problem with pointed pellets. They're as long as the clip itself so if the slide backwards just a tiny bit they jam the pistol and the hammer can't be cocked. Any suggestions on that?
Next questions involve rats, and the killing thereof. :-D (BTW: We live on a 12 acre piece of land. No houses around or neighbors to be a problem.)
We're developing more of a rat problem around here. I've taken it upon myself to try and kill a few. Poison is straight out 'cause of the other wildlife around. So I've been trying to get them with my pistol. Getting into range isn't a problem. I can get within about 30 feet easily. The problem lies in the fact that they almost always come out in the evenings in the semi-dark or after dark. Not too much of a problem because of the lights we have around. I can still see them, targeting is just hard. Any suggestions? A laser, red dot, some sort of paint on the front sight so that I can actually see it?
I *KNOW* the number one suggestion is to get a rifle. Believe me, that's on the list of things to get. But I don't have much cash.. I'd like to get a crossman 2250 I think... Idealy I'd like to get a beeman or something... Just not sure I want to save that much extra money before I can get it...
Anyway.. Thanks for the help everyone!
--Josh (ie!)
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In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:
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In Reply to: Air Resistance to Pellets posted by Happy Gardener on August 24, 2000 at 14:51:26:
a vent muzzel brake would be much easier. im betting paul watts or JM could help there..you could even use a crowmag brake by only using 2 screws and letting the last screw hole stay just past the crown..K.I.S.S principle. keep it simple stu***..wasnt an insult thats what is stands for..
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In Reply to: Anybody know the pattent numbers on the BKL's? posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 11:34:47:
I have found 4 patents with BKL and mount in their text. Can you be more specific as to just what the heck it is, etc.?
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In Reply to: Doves posted by B on August 24, 2000 at 15:20:27:
Only shotguns for dove. They are a wonderful game bird. They fly like champ and swoop off to one side when they spot you. The only problem is you need so many to make a meal. Better to concentrate on pest species.
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In Reply to: Does anybody have the url for the pellet man that makes custom weight pellets for the career .22 caliber?.......... posted by Van sharp on August 23, 2000 at 21:48:16:
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In Reply to: Bad Day At The Bench posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 15:11:16:
boinkers are hard to bench..only thing i could say is the more back N forth movement you let do the less up N down it will do. goto a fabric story buy a big chunk of foam nylon\rubber..suport thw gun at its sweet spot..it wont hurt and may help
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Is the Bushell banner scope (4X12x40) that comes with the R9 goldfinger combo any good?
Thanks
Pepi
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In Reply to: Re: VORTEK Gas Rams posted by Mike Pearson on August 24, 2000 at 16:53:00:
Tom Jue has posted about the RX-1 for some time. It seems to be a fine gun, so fine that it is on my want list. Gas ram shortcomings are not a problem with the RX-1 according to the majority of posters here. All I need is some extra money and a deal. If a cheap stiff like me is eyeballing the RX-1 it must be good. The Theoben gas ram for the Patriot may be another exception. The retrofit gas rams may improve accuracy a bit but the price is 90lbs British, that is somewhere around $140 US for a typical airgun. Seems kind of high for the possible improvement. The Maccari spring kit upgrade is only $60 and is a sure thing.
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In Reply to: Doves posted by B on August 24, 2000 at 15:20:27:
There should not be any, as hunting a dove with a rifle or air rifle is illegal. Shotgun only, and only on the "wing" not resting in trees or on wires. The "Morning Dove" is protected not only by state game laws but as a migratory bird is also controlled by federal statutes as ducks and geese are. The individual states may institute more severe restrictions on the limits, and seasons but they may not be greater than the federal law pertaining to this.
And in some states they are by federal statute illegal to shoot at any time. (Breeding states) this is due in part to agreements with the member nations from which they migrate from and to each year.
HTH
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: Re: Bad Day At The Bench posted by Mikael on August 24, 2000 at 16:35:52:
Neat! Do you put a second bag under the butt end, or just rest it on your shoulder?
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In Reply to: Re: No problem with gun stability resting on a ball? posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 16:24:52:
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In Reply to: Where can I find The gamo p23 laser and special mount? posted by Crane on August 24, 2000 at 15:30:33:
compasseco.com. They seem OK. URL below.
In Reply to: Re: Great scope deal at Natchez. posted by Tom L. on August 24, 2000 at 16:35:17:
hehehe
Josh P.
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In Reply to: Re: this sounds like one big friggin lie - NO ITS NOT:Just ruffled tham a bit and they flew posted by Mastek on August 24, 2000 at 13:43:55:
Mastek, I don't think Mike is questioning your veracity at this point. He's a good guy who is NOT in the habit of deliberately insuliting others (this incident notwithstanding).
Considering your background and the way you described your shots, I don't doubt you did exactly what you say you did.
One thing though you COULD do if you are of the mind to is to state your background credentials alongside your shooting. Your NOT doing that made it hard for some to believe at face value. I'm sure that Mike, if he could do it all over again, might ask you more about your shooting background before he made any conclusions but of course, we all live and learn.
Good shooting guy but stay away from those sea gulls. I'd hate to know you got in any trouble even pointing a gun their way, let alone shooting them (can't stand the things myself!lol!)
Take Care, Mike
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Has anyone shot one of these? What is the bull barrel silencer like?
Cheers
Nick
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In Reply to: Re:Did the 'copy/paste/save' on this one...thanks! (nt) posted by Tir on August 24, 2000 at 14:39:03:
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In Reply to: Re: Bushnell vs Simmons posted by RGunn on August 24, 2000 at 15:45:27:
Randy, I have peered through some Tasco and BSA scopes that would turn your opinion (and stomach) regarding poor scope optics I promise you! Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: VORTEK Gas Rams posted by Happy Gardener on August 24, 2000 at 16:18:19:
Happy, you're right in that some people have adjusted their gas-rams too high. Some pneumatic users have repeatedly over-pumped their guns to their chagrin. However, if a gas-ram (such as the time-tested and proven high-performance RX-1) provides you with all the performance you need and WITHOUT the necessity of having the gun sent back to a tuner on a periodic basis, I'd say that was a pretty significant virtue. Also, others like myself, like the fact that we don't have to worry about spring cant with our gas-piston guns. I'm one of those people who DON'T like having their guns entrusted to the good folks at UPS or the Post Office.
Just another thought on the subject. --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: So Sorry GOD, I will refrain in the future. nt posted by icon on August 23, 2000 at 18:45:49:
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In Reply to: Great scope deal at Natchez. posted by RGunn on August 24, 2000 at 16:21:30:
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In Reply to: Silent Pellet Trap: Simple Design. posted by Whiteleather on August 23, 2000 at 14:25:32:
A 6"x 6" x 4" wooden block,(size varies), drill as many 1/2" diameter,2-3" deep holes as you can on ea. face of the block.
You aim and shoot into those holes as if they are bull's eye.
If you miss, the pallet would stick on the surface.If you hit the bull's eye, the pellet would be traped inside the dead end of the hole.
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In Reply to: Bad Day At The Bench posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 15:11:16:
My advise is to check the barrel lockup and the scope if you got any on the gun. I dont have an R9 but a Supersport and at 10y i cant get more vertikal spread than 3/8" and that if i rest at completly different spots every shot.
I have made a couple of benchresting pillows that i use and gets an average about 4/5" 5shots groups c-c at 55y (50m). I put one of the pillows in to the scanner a year ago and put it up on the net and you can check it out at http://home.swipnet.se/airguns/bench.jpg.
Guess what they are filled with? Dont laugh, maccaronies (not boiled of course).
Mikael
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In Reply to: Great scope deal at Natchez. posted by RGunn on August 24, 2000 at 16:21:30:
That is a great price for that scope.
I have one on my .22 SS and like it alot,
it's perfect for smaller sporter rifles.
I think I will get one for my CR160.
I see from your pictures you've had pretty good
luck with that Scope on your BSA.
BTW- Did we get a new toy for that scope Randy?
Tom L.
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In Reply to: Great scope deal at Natchez. posted by RGunn on August 24, 2000 at 16:21:30:
Every time I read look at your page I get jealous.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Bavaria 55 posted by Markus L on August 24, 2000 at 16:09:36:
I have 2 booklets for sale that will help your friend tremendously with their new gun. Please email at your earliest convenience.
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In Reply to: No problem with gun stability resting on a ball? posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 16:02:19:
Ball is snug in the sandbag (imagine like a bowling ball in the middle of a pillow), doesn't move. Gun rests on top, you can slide the gun back and forth side to side but if you put a line across the ball you can then match that line with any place on the stock. Not really hard to get used to, follow through is a bit tough as it will come of the ball but try it and you'll get the hang of it.
Regards,
Craig
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Natchez has Bushnell Sportview 3X9 AO airgun models on sale for $57. Even after freight it's still a great price.
The price is valid, the "brown truck" just dropped one off at my house.
The scope is not shown on their web site, but they have them in stock.
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In Reply to: Old airgun magazines posted by Doug Law on August 23, 2000 at 15:41:48:
Doug
Try giving Dave kielon a call @ 716-872-2256.
He did some writing for air gun and is still in buisness. He may even have some old magazines around. Very nice man.
Steve
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In Reply to: VORTEK Gas Rams posted by Ron on August 23, 2000 at 05:40:14:
According to James Maccari the gas ram problem stems from the desire of shooters to have them adjusted to deliver maximum power. This guarantees early seal failure. This leads to another question, why spend big bucks for a device which provides only modest advantages? It makes more sense to get an upgraded spring and tune kit.
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In Reply to: weihrauch posted by JOHN DONNELLY on August 24, 2000 at 15:45:29:
You are stating a make and caliber but nothing else. If it helps you can see the entire HW line with specs here....
click on "airrifles" on the left and you will see.
In Reply to: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 07:34:12:
Bing, I personally enjoyed your post. However, please remember there is a very fine line between what is acceptable, and what is not when writing about your hunting. take it from a guy who runs a varmint hunting web site, I know!
If you consider that many non-hunters may see what you have written, then it is easier to tell the story in a way that is acceptable to all.
Oh, bye the way. Consider yourself lucky you were able to harvest all four of those starlings, most of the time they are gone after the first shot! Sometimes a starling will circle over the fallen bird, but usually just "turn and burn"!
Sometimes young birds will hang about when the shooting starts.
Keep shootn'those starlings, it's enjoyable airgun sport.
A friend of mine is about to get an airgun from his old grandma. It's called BAVARIA 55 I think. Is that gun any good ?
Thanks in advance
/ML
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In Reply to: Re: Where are you resting the gun?? posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 15:59:14:
BTW, this is what I was thinking of in my comment
on elastomeric rest! You may have stumbled on the
right stuff!!!!
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In Reply to: Re: Where are you resting the gun?? posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 15:59:14:
I must have a bad mental image of the setup.
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In Reply to: Re: QB-78 bla bla bla...But But But posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 15:42:17:
You really should try one Craig. QB's and 160's are the only air rifles I have other than all the different 10 meter guns that I shoot mostly. O.K. I also have a Sharp Ace but that's because of its name, I hardly ever shoot it.
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In Reply to: Re: Where are you resting the gun?? posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 15:56:43:
This is gonna sound funny but I rest my airgun on a lacrosse ball...the ball rests on a sandbag, the gun rests on the ball (real dense and hard rubber). Most consistant way I have found to shoot bench with a springer.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Where are you resting the gun?? posted by Paul Luhmann on August 24, 2000 at 15:52:12:
OK, I've got that part covered ... never rest on the
barrel ... tried several different spots under the
forearm, including resting the whole length of the
forearm on the padding. Weird!
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I was looking at a recent Crosman publication stating that the 1377 and 1322 are improved. I thought that they were just making claim to the bolt and receiver. The printed FPS numbers state that the 1377 will obtain 600 FPS. They do not state if it is for pellets or BB. My 1377 was purchased in 1997 and states that it is 510 FPS with pellets and 570 FPS with BB. Is there really an improvement or is Crosman just inflating the numbers?
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In Reply to: Re: QB-78 bla bla bla...But But But posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 15:42:17:
If you get one I think you'll pleased. My shooting bud( who's in Minn to watch the FT event had to gig him) has a A lot of nice airguns, too many to list, wants to get one after shooting mine just for the grin factor. I might tune his 160 also.
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Been shooting the logun for most of the day, it's a pretty good gun and very accurate (actually that sums it up).
Stock is a bit blocky, you gotta unscrew the muzzle brake to fill the gun (big AA style quick connect). Trigger is great, magazine works well (with the right pellet), pretty hard hitting in the carbine 22 CP's at 850 or so. Nice shots per fill (50ish). Smooth action. It is actually the way a gun should be from the get go...and really I think you shouldn't have to spend the money that I did for it. What I really think is that we've become used to "less than perfect" guns and hence are truely impressed with a "funtioning" rifle. Myself I have come to think that the "bar hasn't been raised" at all just the price and our expectations have been LOWERED. Instead of $1400 this gun should cost about $800 and function the same.
I mean heck even the CP's have sort of gone down in QC as of late. Such a difference between dies 5 and 6...heck if really they were that "supurb" they would be clean, uniform across dies, and cost less....so much for my rant today.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Why Antagonize Folks???????? posted by William on August 24, 2000 at 10:47:36:
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In Reply to: Re: Ick.... posted by M Boyle on August 24, 2000 at 11:46:05:
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In Reply to: Bad Day At The Bench posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 15:11:16:
If its sandbag to barrel, that would be your problem. It's my understanding, and I'm sure someone who knows more about this than I do will correct me, you need to find the sweet spot on the stock for the rest. This may be different from gun to gun but once you find it you should always use that exact spot.
Just a thought, IMHO.
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In Reply to: Bad Day At The Bench posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 15:11:16:
If its sandbag to barrel, that would be your problem. It's my understanding, and I'm sure someone who knows more about this than I do will correct me, you need to find the sweet spot on the stock for the rest. This may be different from gun to gun but once you find it you should always use that exact spot.
Just a thought, IMHO.
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In Reply to: QB-78 bla bla bla posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:16:25:
I think it's all in the good name of customizing. You know what, I bet peoples' urge to customize is a result of all the stuffs they read over the net and literature.
Have you noticed that a lot of website features a customized gun and next to that lies a few dead birds or squirrels??? This will lead people to deduce that a customized gun will equate to lots of games. This must be it.
Sometimes I envision myself with a magical tuned .177 21ft-lb recoiless R9 that is capable of dropping every game I point at. Luckily I still have a sense of what reality is.
MikeZ
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Please could you tell if the Weihrauch sportwaffen
cal 22/5.5mm rifle is a good make and model ,I have a
chance to buy one in good condition for £150 pounds is this a good buy thank you
JOHN
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In Reply to: Bushnell vs Simmons posted by BR on August 24, 2000 at 10:05:07:
To put it bluntly, Simmons scopes have the worst optics available! Of course, that is my opinion, and it comes from owning many different scope brands over the years.
My Sportview 3X9 A/O has held up without any problems after thousands of shots from the "springer" it is mounted on. And the optical quality is far better than what you might think from an inexpensive scope.
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Please could you tell if the Weihrauch sportwaffen
cal 22/5.5mm rifle is a make and model ,I have a
chance to buy one in good condition for £150 pounds is this a good buy thank you
JOHN
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In Reply to: Re: QB-78 bla bla bla...But But But posted by CJ on August 24, 2000 at 15:33:42:
Cool just sort of wondering. Makes perfect sense it's just the economy of scale that off for me...$70 gun $85 on parts (scopes a wash). But I see what you mean. I guess there really isn't another $70 gun out there that has the potential for performance? I really don't know but I would imagine people would be talking about it if there were.
Sort of makes me want to get one and see what's up.
regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: BSA Spitfire who has it online with pricing? N/T posted by Douglas on August 24, 2000 at 11:21:14:
Link below.
In Reply to: Re: QB-78 bla bla bla posted by acet on August 24, 2000 at 15:26:26:
So that's what most are used for? Hunting and such? I really know very little about them and don't really think I will ever venture to that spectrum of the market but I see a lot of folks with them.
I saw one and I thought it looked a good bit like my first "chipmunk" gun a .22 rimfire that shot .22 short, long and long rifle....real light, real small single shot.
Thanks for the info.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: QB-78 bla bla bla posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:16:25:
Well , I guess I'm not the one to ask cause I'm bias but I'll give it a shot.
I bought my QB for $70 the tune is $40 Don Main stock is $45 scope $70 . It shoots as accurate as my Gamo126 super match but with about 200FPS more. Not bad for $225 . Cheapest TAU I've found is about $300 new and I've seen them for 250 used. Then you have to tune it to get it up to hunting speed and then scope it. $350-400.
Us guys on a budget can buy a lot pellets for the differents.
Lob'n Lead
CJ
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Where can I purchase (online) the gamo p23 special mount and laser?
Thanks a bunch
Crane
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In Reply to: Pistol Shooting Books posted by Matt Williams on August 23, 2000 at 23:45:35:
Try PISTOL SHOOTING by Ragnar Skanaker. It can be difficult to find, but I have heard that the ISSF (Int. Shooting Sports Fed.) website has them for sale. It is an excellent book, and not difficult to follow. One other excellent book is the Russian book COMPETITIVE SHOOTING by A.A. Yur'Yev. This book covers rifle and pistol, and is totally amazing in its content and detail. You can get it for $18 from Guncraft Books at (800) 966-4538. It is a more indepth version of the Skanaker book, but will tell you almost the exact same thing. What the Skanaker books tells you in pages, the Russian book tells you in chapters. HTH - Jay V
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In Reply to: QB-78 bla bla bla posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:16:25:
A QB77 from Mac-1 costs $160, a QB78 plus tune costs $130. They are both light rifles(5.5 lbs.) with excellent field accuracy. The lowest price on Tau-200 is $350. Eventhough it is more accurate, more refined and has a better trigger, it weights 9 lbs. and shoots at lower velocity. If you want an entry level 10 meter gun, go for the Tau, but if you are looking for a handy field gun, the QB's are much more suitable. IMHO.
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In Reply to: Why Antagonize Folks???????? posted by William on August 24, 2000 at 10:47:36:
William, please dont include me with those you think are attempting to aggrevate the "starling lovers" by my reply to bing's post. It was one of humor AND with the same genre of thought that it would be stirring to those folks. I really could care less about the starling lovers page and how it affects my daily life. However, I was not trying to aggrevate anyone.
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Does anyone know of any sites that have info on dove hunting with air rifles? Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: Air Resistance to Pellets posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 15:16:56:
You just caught a blithering idiot at his best moment. Guaranteed it will all be downhill from here.
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In Reply to: Re: Air Resistance to Pellets posted by HG on August 24, 2000 at 15:10:16:
HEY!!!
What's all this aero talk going on here?!!
Keep it up, and people will start to realize there
are some folks here that actually know something.
Next I suppose someone will start talking CFD!
STOP IT!
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I hesitated to raise this topic again, but frustration
has overcome common sense. Or, at least that's my
excuse.
Hadn't shot at paper in a few weeks, so decided it
was time to see how the gun (R9), and I, were
performing. When I started the session, total
pellets through the gun were still just shy of 500.
To make a long story short, the vertical spread on
shots was on the order of 2 to 3 inches at 10 yards.
That's from "the bench"!! Opened a new tin of
pellets, which had a decidedly tighter fit, and
got the same result.
The rest is a rice bag with a folded blanket on
top, again per "conventional wisdom".
On the last of three 5-bull targets, I shot the last
3 bulls offhand. Vertical spread essentially gone,
replaced by my usual wobble factor.
OK, OBVIOUSLY there's still bounce on the rest in
spite of the padding, but I suspect there's more to
this. I am not using the classical firearm bags as
the rest, because of what I've read on this forum
and elsewhere. That leaves the butt of the gun
supported either by the "light" contact with my
shoulder (more forum, etc. advice) OR, my
preferred fist-under-the-toe.
Any clues? Do I just need a different blanky? :-)
Actually, I'm tempted to start looking into fancy
elastomers that are tricked out to damp certain
frequencies and still hold their form at others.
Whatever I use as a rest is continually changing
shape as it is hammered by the recoil. The
exception, of course is the standard firm rest bags,
but when I use those, the POI moves very high, as
expected.
One last thing ... the sight picture doesn't change
enough for this to be a change in POI. Rather, it's
a product of overall dynamics, which we used to call
"toss". I intend to try to model this stuff as soon
as I get some free time and sufficient motivation.
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In Reply to: Antique German Air Rifle posted by Brian on August 24, 2000 at 02:29:08:
Brian, there are many respondents to this forum who have the expertise you seek. Just post a good description of the airgun in question, including any markings on it, and you will probably get info from several sources.
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In Reply to: Re: Air Resistance to Pellets posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:58:45:
Well put. For now the best shape is the CP. Another sleeper is the Beeman Silver Arrow. The ideal pellet has a domed nose, a thick waist and a short skirt. With todays design weight is near the nose and drag is behind the skirt. That is why a short skirt reduces drag.
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In Reply to: Air Resistance to Pellets posted by Happy Gardener on August 24, 2000 at 14:51:26:
You would really have to tapper the back of the pellet to fix that and then you would also have to overcome the problems at the head behind the dome, which is only evident with smoke flow pictures.
I guess really what would be neat for me to see would be a pellet that has the center pressure and center of gravity nearer to each other.
Regards,
Craig
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A few weeks ago vZc posted a jpeg link which was enhanced to show sources of air resistance to an in flight pellet. There was very little drag from the head and skirt on the domed pellet. 90% or more of the drag was from a vortex churned up behind the skirt. Prehaps a plastic insert behind the skirt can reduce this resistance?
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In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Mike Pearson on August 24, 2000 at 13:18:04:
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In Reply to: dumb newbie lead BB question posted by Joe R on August 24, 2000 at 13:11:23:
NT
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Can the leather seal of an Diana 35 be replaced with a synthetic seal of the RWS 36? Anyone have a junker DIANA 35 in either cal. they would part with reasonably? Need one for parts snd stock that can be refinished.
Thanks for any help and reply. James
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In Reply to: Re: Co2une posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:18:02:
No, I got it from CMP and it worked fine for a about 100 shots then the seals went out. I never really had a chance to sight it in. I sent it to CJ and he replaced all the seals plus the tune for $40.00 bucks. Nice guy huh!
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I read a nice article on pellet deformation at Pellant Airguns. He shot many types of pellets into ballistic putty to see how deep they penetrate and how much they expand. A few observations are worth noting.
Match pellets expanded well
Hollow point pellets expanded well.
If most of your shooting is close the match and hollow point pellets may be a better choice than the traditional pointed pellet.
Low powered airguns had better penetration with pointed pellets. If you have a 800 fps or less airgun the pointed pellet is a good choice. I first noticed this on cottontails many years ago.
Dome pellets expanded the least and had good penetration. I would expect pointed pellets to penetrate the most but that was not the case.
Mr Pellant favored the Beeman Silver Bear as the best for hunting. This is not news to Airgun Forum readers as several posters have favored hollow point pellets. They tend to expand well and tumble inside the game.
I am not looking to start a rumble, only to provide some general starting points to begin pellet selection with.
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In Reply to: Re: QB-78/22 posted by Jack Stinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:08:54:
I bid on one at Auction Arms and won the auction $69.00 but he sent me an email saying it was damaged when he opened the box(yeah right)and to check with him in a couple of weeks. When the shortage first started I found one at Prince William's Antiques & Collectables. The guy said it was sitting in front of him. I said the cashier's check will be in the mail today and called back to confirm that it had been mailed. When it never arrived I called and he said he was out. I was pissed needless to say. He sold my gun to someone on credit card while waiting for my check. Lesson learned and a month or more later I'm still looking.
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In Reply to: Re: Co2une posted by BR on August 24, 2000 at 14:12:21:
Now that's something. Did you do any accuracy testing before? to compare to an after?
Regards,
Craig
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I gotta ask, I see a lot of folks focusing on that segment of the market, I see even more people doing all kinds of crazy stuff with the gun, stocks, exta tubes, bla bla bla.
Now what is the facination with that thing? Pretty much I've seen guys go so far as to replace 80%+ of the gun and spend in upwards of $300 on the thing (stock, tune, etc).
Now for me a $60-$70 gun that you spend 2-4x's as much on doesn't make a lot of sense. Gun is like $70 tune is like $70? Why not buy something that starts off more expensive and go from there?
I realize that some do it because it's their hobby to tinker but if you are sending it out, you're spending the money anyway so why not just spend it on something better to start with.
Now realize, I like CJ a lot, like Mac-1, and have no beef, I just "gots to know".
For me I would buy a Tau-200 if I was gonna tune the heck out of the QB, seems to have a better trigger and all and for the same money in tune (60-70) you can really do some stuff.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Co2une posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 14:04:34:
Before Tune
630FPS 11.8FPE w/13.2gr .22 cal. Daisy pellet
After Tune
740FPS 16.05FPE w/same
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Though the airgun show does not start "officially" until tomorrow afternoon, I'd just like to welcome all the airgunners from the USA & abroad to the Twin cities area.
We'll be looking forward to seeing all airgunners at the airgun show - the show will run through Sunday afternoon.
See you all there! - Ingvar
PS The show is located about 15 min. south of St. Paul at the Inver Grove Heights National Guard building just 1/4 mile West of the intersection of Highway 52 & 80th Street S.
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In Reply to: Co2une posted by BR on August 24, 2000 at 13:55:42:
Check both Auction Arms;
http://216.25.120.66/Pages/AIRPage1.htm
and another auction site;
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/browse.asp?cat=1013
I bought my new .22 QB-78 off Auction Arms for $70. I see them on both these sites regularly for starting price of $69 + shipping.
hth, Jack
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In Reply to: Co2une posted by BR on August 24, 2000 at 13:55:42:
Check the chrony sheets that he sent with the gun, what do they say.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Starter Air Rifle Beeman or RWS posted by Todd from Spokane on August 22, 2000 at 13:03:16:
Jim Maccari has a tuned .177 R9 on his special 'one-off items' in his on-line catalog for $375.
Betcha it would be hard to find a nicer shooting new R9...
Here's the link...
Ken
In Reply to: dumb newbie lead BB question posted by Joe R on August 24, 2000 at 13:11:23:
RWS makes a special gallery gun to shoot the lead balls in. I would not use them in a pellet gun but see no reason why they should not be used in a smoothbore bb gun.
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CJ just did a tune on my CR160. I don't have a chronograph but it definitely shoots MUCH harder than before. He put a bolt probe on(I'm still not sure what that does) added a set screw in the breech to stabilize the barrel(that definitely helped) and obviously did some valve work for better flow. I plan to have him do some more work on this gun and if I could find a QB78-22 I'd have him tune it also. Anyone have one they could part with? Anyway, I'm very happy with his work. BR
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In Reply to: dumb newbie lead BB question posted by Joe R on August 24, 2000 at 13:11:23:
NT
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In Reply to: Which pelets work best in the Crosman 600?.... posted by JimC on August 24, 2000 at 10:54:15:
Crosman wadcutters(the cheap ones) seem to work in almost all the 600s. They are decently accurate.
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I recently moved to SW FLA (Port Charlotter / Punta Gorda area. I'm looking for other airgunners in my area to shoot with. ARE YOU OUT THERE? Contacy me : vikiron@earthlink.net
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In Reply to: Re: this sounds like one big friggin lie - NO ITS NOT:Just ruffled tham a bit and they flew posted by M Boyle on August 24, 2000 at 12:16:05:
Well, you may call it an overstatement but "sounds like a big friggin lie" says to me that you are calling me a liar. All I can say is that just because you can't do it yourself doesn't mean that someone else can't. Like I said, I'm a very experienced competitive pistol shooter. I routinely hit a 2" x-ring at 50 yards offhand (one handed) with a .22 or .45 target pistol. I suggest that you begin eating your shorts or pay me a visit and bring plenty of money to bet.
I also said that off SANDBAGS it took several shots to hit one at 55-60 yards, and lots of shots to hit one at 70 yards. Since I can routinely keep iron sights within 2-3 MOA off sandbags, my guess is that the Pistol would group maybe 5" at 50 yards, and 10-12" at 70 yards.
When I said "ruffled their feathers" I meant that I hit them, but didn't hurt them - they just flew away acting a bit annoyed. I guess there is very little energy left at that range.
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In Reply to: Re: TX200SR KEN REEVES TUNE posted by Mike V on August 21, 2000 at 18:06:14:
What were the "problems" you found in the gun?
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In Reply to: Re: Why Antagonize Folks???????? posted by William on August 24, 2000 at 11:58:13:
dude, umm dont think you got my intent..or only read part of it :| as Mr Myagi said "left side of road safe, right side of road safe. middle of road squish like grape" the tune sounds like yer sittin on an fence. if thats mistaken :sorry
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In Reply to: dumb newbie lead BB question posted by Joe R on August 24, 2000 at 13:11:23:
Joe,
The reason I wouldn't use lead balls is twofold. One, they are lighter than the recommended pellets for the gun. If your 52 is a .177, a lead ball weighs about 8.1 grains. That's a bit light for the power of the rifle. I'd use pellets weighing more, if possible.
Reason two is, the lead ball (it's not a BB, which is a specific size ball and really not apppropriate for most pellet rifles) seals around its circumfrence when it's in your bore. It will either deform or else shave a very narrow band aound the circumfrence to take the engraving of the rifling. A pellet, by contrast, has a huge soft lead skirt that fills with air and deforms into the barrel walls to take the rifling. It also rides the rifling on its nose. The pellet seals far better than the ball, and that is important in a powerful springer like the RWS 52.
Regards,
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.com
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In Reply to: dumb newbie lead BB question posted by Joe R on August 24, 2000 at 13:11:23:
some do in 25 cal in other guns..but the groups arent good..i would stick with pellets
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In Reply to: TX200 SR? posted by Chris Farhi on August 24, 2000 at 00:32:47:
TX200SR
They were available in the Mark 1 and Mark 2 runs. Their action was
mounted on a rail system that would let the action move back when
fired. This would give the feeling the gun wasn't recoiling. Bushing and
Oring wear cause group shifts on many. Their trigger was also prone to
going out of adjustment. Air Arms dropped them from the line. They're
no longer available.
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In Reply to: Re: TX200 SR? posted by Chris Farhi on August 24, 2000 at 01:25:17:
http://www.airguns.net/rws.html#tx200sr
This location has "specs" and you can click on a picture.
I own a TX200SR. Air Arms sold it in the USA for about two years through RWS.
The shooting is very smooth with the recoil damping sled. Trigger is OK but not easy to adjust.
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In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Jon van Ark on August 24, 2000 at 11:40:38:
My two favorite hunting calibers are .20 and .25.
The .20 Crow Mag is the most explosive pellet we have expansion-wise BUT the drop-off in stopping power from a (.20) Crow Mag and a .20 flat head is fairly substantial compared to a .22 H-Point vs. other .22 flat heads. The H-Point IS noticeably better than the rest of the .22 shocker-stoppers but the drop-off is not so steep as it is in the .20 Crow Mag (vs. .20 flat head equation).
The .22 dome IS a better squirrel and rabbit stopper on small game at normal (say 40-50 yards) than a .20 dome. However, when you move significantly past 50 yards, the .20 comes into it's own. Why and how can this possibly be? Well, when you move past 50 yards, there are only a small handful of airgun quarry that are really feasible on a consistent basis for an airgun. I am thinking mainly of crows, pigeons and ground squirrels. There may be some others but these are the ones that really come to (my) mind when I think about longer range airgun hunting.
The .20 Premier starts showing an energy retention edge and a very definite penetration edge out at say 70-80 yards while at the same time having a large enough wound channel for these particular critters (as opposed to the .177 penetrating pellets that don't). I've never shot a ground squirrel but have shot pigeons and crows and I can tell you that they very frequently (more times than not) offer difficult shot angles and in the case of crows, this is often a very fleeting shot presentation at best. Point is, if you don't take the shot you're given, you'll very often miss out on the shot entirely as the birds take wing (with you waiting for that perfect shot presentation).So what is wanted is a pellet that will penetrate a crow from stem to stern at any angle. The .20's are the best at doing this (per ft.lb.) while at the same time providing a large enough wound channel (almost 22% better than .177) for one pound birds. The Premier .20 typically penetrates a good 27% more than dome .22's at the same impact energy and way out there the .20 Premier is developing an edge over even a comparable powered .22 Premier, let alone .22 domes with lesser BC's.
The Premier also has an edge in wind bucking which is very important for this type of hunting.
The .20 FTS penetrates right at the same level as .22 domes at the same impact energy. Remember, this is an 11.5gr. pellet so we get the advantage of a flatter trajectory (and in this particular case, a relatively high BC). I can tell you for a fact that out of a 48-RX-1 (.20), these pellets will handle pigeon easily at 80+ yards. If you're shooting in Galen Jang-Jeff Wolgast country though, I'd go for the superior penetration and ballistics of the .20 Premier.
The .22 does have a wider selection of pellets to choose from over .20 but IMO the .20 has more quality "premium" pellets to choose from. Aside from the premium pellets I mentioned, the .20 also has the Beeman Kodiak (Russ dotes on them), the Benjamin/Sheridan dome and diablo (both have had many really good reports for long-range accuracy and energy retention). The Ram Jet is not worth a darn in this caliber IMO (very low BC) whereas this is a true sleeper in .22. There is no H-Point (which would be a nice addition for this caliber if the Crow Mag didn't shoot).
I personally didn't care for the Silver Arrow in this caliber. It's a penetrating pellet that was somewhat short on penetration (for the weight of the pellet that is) and short on BC. I took some bigger critters with it but I wasn't impressed with it. There ARE better pellets in this caliber.
The Silver Bear in this caliber is definitely one of the least impressive IMO. Sure if you put ENOUGH velocity behind it, it will work okay but we're talking about ALOT of extra velocity (over a stock Sheridan) and also keeping the ranges to say 30 yards. This is one pellet BTW that at 8 pumps wouldn't even expand in ballistic putty! That was one tin but to me that was pretty sad!
I do think that the beginning hunter has a bit of margin going with the .22. The beginner (and some who are anything but beginners) will oftentimes pick the most accurate dome for his hunting and simply use it for any and everything. Most airgun hunting (especially from those who are starting out) is done UNDER 50 yards as opposed to over. Under 50 yards, the .22 dome has plenty of penetration (assuming enough power from the gun in the first place) for any reasonable(and a few that aren't deemed so reasonable) airgun hunting application and it will do this with a bigger wound channel (than a .20 dome). Me, I like to match the gun & pellet to the game/range/situation. I like to use my S&W 77-A for hunting thick brush situations (winter cottontail in the thickets and some early season squirrel hunting, particularly at the end of the day when I'm dragging tail from carrying one of my cannons around earlier in the day). My 77 does a very, very consistent 15ft.lbs (and a hair more in most cases) so I try to keep the ranges to about 20 yards and less on fox squirrels with it. The places I hunt with this gun and the way I hunt make 20 yards an expected outcome. Indeed, anything over that is a long shot and not very likely (although out to 30 yards with the H-Point still attainable with a well-placed shot). I tested the H-Point on game and pests way before I used it on test mediums with other pellets. It was a VERY deadly killer. As it turns out, the fact that it was the most destructive (of the .22's) in a variety of test mediums came not as a surprise. The only real surprise was just how much better it was over the 2nd place contender. Were it that I had a 77 in .20 doing the same 15ft.lbs. and shooting the Crow Mag (.20) with accuracy! Talk about a brush gun!
My favorite squirrel caliber has to be .25 hands down (although that .20 Crow Mag holds it's own pretty well with the NON-expanding .25's at the 30 and under yards I hunt at). Any pellet from a .25 is a deadly proposition indeed for squirrel in early season hunting. I have taken squirrels with so-so fringe vital organ hits and still got great (by my time and distance criteria). Sometimes you hear people say that you don't have much selection of pellets in this caliber. Well, that's just balderdash of the worse sort from people who in most cases have never even shot a .25. Truth is, the .25 has MORE choices when it comes to hunting.
For example, the .20 I love so much (my favorite for open-field hunting) has one pellet that I would really feel comfortable shooting fox squirrels out to 30 yards (actually a bit farther than that but 30 yards is MY self-imposed limit for me, NOT the gun or caliber). One pellet. The .22 has one pellet that falls in the great category with several (hollowpoints and flats) that are in the adequate category. The .177 has one pellet in the adequate category IF you're taking very close shots with a VERY (54,RX-1) powerful gun so I do NOT consider it a good caliber for these larger squirrels. Marginal has a way of quickly becoming mediocre under hunting conditions. Now, when we get to the .25, we can easily see that while some of the lineup is clearly better than others for CERTAIN uses, there are really NO weak links here! From a terminal standpoint, they are all pretty formidable performers! With no expansion at all, .25 has a frontal area superiority of 23% over .22. All .25's have this advantage!
I like my 77 for very thick brush work as I mentioned earlier. I prefer my Vortek Kodiak .25 for squirrel hunting. My .20 RX-1 (.20) gets the call for birds the size of pigeon and crow over the fifty yard line. My 54 (.177) is ideal (from a rest) for shooting starlings and sparrows out to fifty yards and a bit farther. Do these guns overlap? You bet they do. For example, I love the .20 Crow Mag pellet for squirrel too. Does a great job on them (not quite the hammer the .25 Crow Mag is but a great job nonetheless). Point is though, I like to have my guns/pellets/and scopes fit the situation and game like a glove.
I hope this answered your question. --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: VORTEK Gas Rams posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 22:05:07:
When you say "FAILED", what do you mean? What were the problems?
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Is it o.k. to shoot lead BBs in a rifled barrel??
I have a RWS mod 52 that does not shoot to suit me and a friend keeps trying to get me to try some lead BBs..Thanks..and have a good .1"...Tater..
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In Reply to: Keep up the good work! posted by AirMonkey on August 24, 2000 at 12:57:22:
Send me your e-mail And I'll give you my mailing Address.
CJ
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In Reply to: Need info on Anschutz 2001 posted by Mike F. on August 24, 2000 at 10:47:44:
Mike, this is an amazing deal! Anschutz 2001 is an earlier version of a single stroke pneumatic 2002. If you're interested in 10M you just can't go wrong with this rifle. I just bought a new Anscutz 2002 CA with aluminum stock for $1400. The other rifles you mentioned are spring piston rifles not SSP. Unless you're considering buying a new Compressed Air (Precharged) gun a used Anschutz 2001 or Feinwerkbau 600/601/602 would make a perfect 10m rifle. A used Anschutz 2001 in very good to excellent condition would sell for $850-950. For $450 I would take it and run. I hope this helps. If you decide not to go with this rifle I'd be very happy to buy it for my wife. If you have more questions feel free to email me or post them on 10 meter forum (link below).
In Reply to: Co2UNE your Qb78 or Cr160 posted by CJ on August 24, 2000 at 07:07:09:
Some very positive feedback has been posted regarding your "attention-to-detail" tunes. I'll probably be sending a QB/160 or two your way soon.
regards,
Jeff
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In Reply to: Re: I'll try to get them all. posted by Tom Zablocki on August 24, 2000 at 12:27:58:
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In Reply to: Re: I'll try to get them all. posted by Tom Zablocki on August 24, 2000 at 12:27:58:
I using the delrin as the body of the stem instead of brass to decrease weight . The valve seal itself will be Poly, UHMW,or HDPE.
This is still in the trail an error stage.
I'm ready to get your gun send it any time.
CJ
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In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:
re-read and in my big friggin lie post. you said you only ruffled some feathers..which is it?
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In Reply to: Re: I'll try to get them all. posted by CJ on August 24, 2000 at 11:18:42:
Delrin for valve could work. Was thinking about this myself. How about Delrin/Teflon (Delrin AF)
Properties similar to Delrin but more dimensional stable and is more slippery (very low coefficient of friction).
I don't have time for anything.
My QB78 is ready for shipment and tune-up. Just as Uncle Gary, I've heard a lot of good things about your work. Cheers Tom.
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In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds-I believe it! posted by Brian Wheater on August 23, 2000 at 01:56:37:
Brian, an R9 has 12-14foot lbs power and 800fps. a P1 is 450-600fps and your push the power limits at 5 ft lbs with the P1 ..try fsi book at 500fps and BC of .011-.016..it wont make 70yrds
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In Reply to: Re: Air Rifle Specialist posted by Sammy on August 24, 2000 at 05:08:18:
Fax Davis if the phone is busy. The fax machine is right in front of him when he's on the phone.
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In Reply to: Reclassified as " What " ? nt posted by Stocky on August 24, 2000 at 11:43:36:
As native.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Reclassified as " What " ? nt posted by Stocky on August 24, 2000 at 11:43:36:
My best guess would be as "migratory game bird", same as the crow. Then you would need a duck stamp for shooting them during a limited reason.
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In Reply to: Re: this sounds like one big friggin lie - NO ITS NOT posted by Mastek on August 23, 2000 at 09:11:30:
first if i over stated that i thought it was a "big friggin lie" sorry but this post sounds like a "big friggin fib" at best..as "i" stated i have a P1. i have had it for 13+ yrs. i know what they can and cant do..a crow "same size as a gull" looks like a sparrow at 70yrds with a pistol scope of 1x. with open sight it looks like a smallish bug. you may have scarred it off with the noise ..but if you ruffled it feathers or hit it ill eat my shorts.3x70=200feet its a 25yrd gun at best
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In Reply to: The Starling Lovers Thing posted by Steve on August 24, 2000 at 10:51:41:
I am with you 100%. They help me with feeding the poor birds their favorite mixtures to bring in as many as possible.
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In Reply to: " The 8X-32X focuses from 10 yards to 100 yards... posted by Myopic_shooter on August 24, 2000 at 11:58:30:
Vern you are killing me.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: crow mag III trigger posted by Larry Weldon on August 24, 2000 at 11:54:15:
larry sound like its to light ..how new is it? you might send it to Beeman for a trigger tune..
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In Reply to: Burris Scopes Signature vs R/A posted by Art on August 24, 2000 at 08:58:18:
... The 8X-32X has a parallax lock ring allowing you to precisely set focus/parallax for your eye."
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In Reply to: Re: Why Antagonize Folks???????? posted by M Boyle on August 24, 2000 at 11:33:55:
M Boyle;
I'm not cowering to anyone, you are assuming and lumping these people together, just as they lump us together with radical fringe elements in our sport! If you have proof that one of them offended you that is one thing but to paint them all with the same brush is not right! It's about capturing the moral high ground!!!! Not about abusing people that have not been proven to have done anything to us!!
William
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In Reply to: Are the Pro Elite and TX2000 worth their weight and price?nt posted by OT on August 24, 2000 at 11:40:34:
im sure TX2000 was a typo..the older TX200 that have been tuned by james maccari are worth every penny. and will be worth more to collectors who know of them..i see old ones go for $800-$1600 ..$1600 is a bit steap in my mind but they may have a grade 4 thumbhole stock on those..AA had probs in the past and still seems iffy..atleast two here had probs with in 500+ shots...one was out of the box with probs.
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Who is the trigger man for these rifles? I can not tell exactly where the end of first stage ends and second begins. I have alot of shots go off before I'm actually ready. There is not a smooth transition between stages. I have an RX1 and it has a smooth first stage. There is no doubt when you get to the second stage of it. Is this normal for this crow mag?
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In Reply to: Buying an R7, What caliber? .177 or .20 posted by Ken A on August 23, 2000 at 11:37:32:
Good choice. You're gonna love it. I just got
one for the family for my son's birthday from
StraightShooters. We had it out for a couple of
hours on Tuesday and went through most of a tin of
pellets (250 count). Killed paper, tin cans, pine
cones, sticks, shrub branches. What a blast. The
wife was PO'd she didn't get a crack at it 'cause
she had to go to a meeting. :-(
Are you gonig to scope it? If not, the open sights
are good but, I got a Crosman peep sight ($10) from Golden
Toller for ours. I have to do a little surgery on
the sight though 'cause it won't adjust down far
enough with out the adjustment post hitting the
stock. But a little time, a rasp, and some elbow
grease and all should be well.
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In Reply to: Ick.... posted by TK on August 24, 2000 at 10:02:18:
TK i guess you havnt been here long. many here hunt pests. sparrow, starling,grackles. many types of Garden eaters. bunnys, squirrels..vermin; rats nuetrea. (SP?) point being that some who want to learn to hunt these pests learn from these posts
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In Reply to: Re: The Starling Lovers Thing posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 11:06:18:
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In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Mike Pearson on August 24, 2000 at 00:33:43:
So, Mike, what in your opinion happens to this
debate when the debate is expanded to include .20
and .25 cals? Your comments in the above post
would seem to indicate a certain affinity to the
.20 cal. Is this true?
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In Reply to: Re: Why Antagonize Folks???????? posted by M Boyle on August 24, 2000 at 11:33:55:
i can spell better then that..7=& bomd=bombed..it you=if you
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In Reply to: Pistol Shooting Books posted by Matt Williams on August 23, 2000 at 23:45:35:
Just click on the link below. This is for NRA bullseye type shooting (i.e. one handed, slow and rapid fire).
In Reply to: Why Antagonize Folks???????? posted by William on August 24, 2000 at 10:47:36:
william i sorta agree..but, live & let live? many of these persons are like the ones who email bomd Kathy and herassed her. they didnt feel that way. im above attacks like that but dont feel a live 7 let live attitude about it..it you let the PETA types put you down they will..i personally will never look at anyones feet..ill look them in the eyes..i will respect there Opinions but never actions like attacking sites for differing views
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does anyone have any info on the airgun at this URL? http://izhmash.udm.ru/arms/junker.html
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In Reply to: BSA Spitfire who has it online with pricing? N/T posted by Douglas on August 24, 2000 at 11:21:14:
precision sales international in beautiful downtown Westfield Mass.
telephone 1-800-221-2613
gun $360
bottle $145
charging clamp $99
They are in stock
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N/T
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In Reply to: Co2UNE your Qb78 or Cr160 posted by CJ on August 24, 2000 at 07:07:09:
First, Thanks Uncle Gary.
Second, I'm getting about 25-30 shots before it drops below 625-650 in .177. I didn't get a chance to check in .22 but it should be close to 25 shots. If and when I get anther .22 I'll do a series of shots. There also a little louder in both cal's.
Third, I'd love for the AGL to check a tune if there interested. I'm also working on vavle made out of Delrin to help with lift speed. Remember this is just a side line to support my hobby.
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In Reply to: Robert Smith posted by Tom Gaylord on August 24, 2000 at 10:39:08:
I will be more understanding in any future post.
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In Reply to: Which pelets work best in the Crosman 600?.... posted by JimC on August 24, 2000 at 10:54:15:
The RWS/Superdome, Crosman/Premier & Wadcutter.
The Superdomes jammed badly/too large.
The Premier jammed 2 out of 10 shots on average.
Sometimes will go through all 10 without a problem.
The Crosman Wadcutters work best in my 600, very
few jams.
Best pellets to use in the 600 are domed and wadcutters.
You'll have to experiment with some to see what
works best in your gun.
Avoid pointed and hollow point pellets.
hth,
Rene
p.s. anyone tried chinese match pellets in thier
600?
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In Reply to: Re: TO TIM MCMURRAY AT MAC1 posted by JonF. on August 24, 2000 at 11:02:12:
Dude if it's that messed up I would send it back. Maybe get a refund and try someplace else if you are worried about more that are that off center.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Challenge!!!! posted by John Sa. on August 24, 2000 at 02:01:59:
LOL Skeet, now that is funny!!!
In Reply to: Re: my new favorite airgun posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 21:48:32:
Gary, if you want to get rid of the tree rat try a more powerful gun a BSA SS or the R9 would be much better..the P3 would be ok on the starlings but inhumane on squirrels at less then 3 ft lbs it well wound them more times then kill
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In Reply to: The Starling Lovers Thing posted by Steve on August 24, 2000 at 10:51:41:
Yeah it seems they sent a couple nasty-grams to geocities about you. Myself I think they are a bit crazy. I'm very into birding and participate on several birding forums, most "sane" people think that starlings are a pest bird. As well Starlings as pets is just one silly way to circumvent native species...but that's ok as the "european starling" will be reclassified someday soon.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Which pelets work best in the Crosman 600?.... posted by M Boyle on August 24, 2000 at 10:57:01:
My 600 will only cycle flat-heads. The Crosmans and RWS miesterkrugins shoot the best. Dave
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In Reply to: Why Antagonize Folks???????? posted by William on August 24, 2000 at 10:47:36:
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In Reply to: Re: TO TIM MCMURRAY AT MAC1 posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 23:23:00:
I got it at D&R Sports for $387. Swinson, do you think I should send it back or will I probably just get another one thats off center?
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In Reply to: Burris Scopes Signature vs R/A posted by Art on August 24, 2000 at 08:58:18:
They are basically the same scope save the fact that the R/A has a "factory custom" parallax to 10 yards in the 8-32 and 7 yards in the 3-9 and 4-12. They do not change the body type and AO size just because a parallax.
4mm isn't just about light it's about field of view. Myself I would take the Burris over most even if it were 40mm as the optics are real good.
The Bushnell 8-32 is VERY good and does 10 yards (mine does about 8 or so it seems). The beauty of the Bushnell is that it presents much less of a mounting hassle as it's a bit smaller then the burris. Either one is great. Burris gets my nod as there are more options for it later in life (reticles, turrets, etc)
Regards,
Craig
In Reply to: Purchasing Pellets posted by Stu on August 23, 2000 at 22:46:39:
This probably won't help right now, but try to plan ahead and get your pellets from Mac1 during his annual "Whole Lotta Lead" sale. Buy a years worth and he'll pay the shipping (if $100 or more). I figured I saved probably 50% on my pellets this year by taking advantage of it, amnd he's got the biggest selection of anyone I know.
Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Which pelets work best in the Crosman 600?.... posted by JimC on August 24, 2000 at 10:54:15:
if this is a semi auto im betting wodcutter or round nose..just from what i have read over the yrs
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In Reply to: BSA SUPERSTAR MK2 Air Rifle posted by jukt on August 24, 2000 at 04:48:24:
jukt;
Ask anyone who owns one, It is a very underrated rifle,super accurate, very capable of field target if you can handle it, as well as a capable hunting rifle. The rifle is still on sale I believe for around $280.00, this is a super deal!!! jmho
William
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In Reply to: Re: Burris Scopes Signature spec sheets url posted by Art on August 24, 2000 at 10:42:34:
art good luck..when i emailed springfield armory they never answered the qustion i had..almost like some one who didnt know an answer was told to answer it..Q what does X-model focus down too? 10yrds? 50yrd?
A: the Objective lens adjusts the scopes AO range. DOH!! ;) so good luck on the answer
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Which pellets are least likely to jam, and still shoot accurately? Thanks
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In Reply to: Supermax 1000, B-21, B-22 posted by KC on August 24, 2000 at 02:52:10:
Lots of user comment on my site url below
In Reply to: Co2UNE your Qb78 or Cr160 posted by CJ on August 24, 2000 at 07:07:09:
Been hearing some good things about your tunes son, keep up the good work! Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 07:34:12:
The PC way????
Man that was hard to write!!!
Randy
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In Reply to: Re: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by Ryp on August 24, 2000 at 09:51:59:
Guy's I can't Stress enough that messing with these anti gun, anti hunting, anti Starling removal people is a bad Idea.
The lynch mob is already forming on the other side of the fence. Please leave the flipping tree huggers and ther flipping starlings be.
They are a valuable source of information to us if used correctly.
They will tell you cool things like what feed to use, how to make your bird feeder starling friendly, what colors starlings like "I didnt know they saw color myself" and many other usefull tips for the hunter "ummm i mean starling lover.
Have fun and happy shooting
Steve (aka) Starlingkiller
Hello. I am just about to begin on the sport of
10m shooting and still scouting for a used
European match air rifle to purchase. I reside
in the Philippines.
I found an offer here for an Anschutz 2001 that
shot around 1000 pellets said the owner, for $450.
I know the name says it all, but would like to
know more about the air rifle. Also considering
used FWBs or the Diana 75 from the U.S., or a
brand new TAU-200.
Would be happy for some advice.
Thanks.
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In Reply to: Re: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by Ryp on August 24, 2000 at 09:51:59:
To RYP&bing;
Why do you wish to create enemies for us here?
Aren't you old enough to understand that different folks have different strokes ? I agree with you that starling's are a blight on the bird world,(I'll plink one whenever I can!) but that does not justify your antagonism toward those people on the other site!!! Your actions and words are causing those people to classify us as redneck gun toten creatins! I ask you, do we really need anymore ill feelings toward our gun community????? Live and Let Live !!!!! And stop causing animosity toward us ! Remember, Karma teaches "What goes around comes around"!!
William
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In Reply to: Bushnell vs Simmons posted by BR on August 24, 2000 at 10:05:07:
On a QB I'd prefer the Bushnell Sportview over the Deerfield, which is one of Simmon's low end models. Just my thoughts! Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Burris Scopes Signature spec sheets url posted by Myopic_shooter on August 24, 2000 at 10:00:24:
The Burris web site is not listed on the AGL resources or on American Airgun web pages so that you for the URL.
I have the chart but if you notice the min parallax focus is not listed also chart does not have the R/A series listed.
I emailed burris customer support so I should find out the answer.
Again thanks,
Art
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In Reply to: Re: Did you just get the QB-1? posted by JimC on August 24, 2000 at 08:54:34:
Where was the sale? For 20 bucks I'll get one.
Gary
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In Reply to: Re: Please be more careful with your message titles in the future. nt posted by Robert Smith on August 24, 2000 at 10:18:22:
Robert,
I object to the specific wording of the title. I came within a hair's breadth of removing this message because of that title, and I will remove the entire thread if the other titles that follow continue down the same road.
As far as the original message is concerned, I have no complaint. In fact, it is one of the better-written and -composed messages I've seen.
Regards,
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.com
In Reply to: Please be more careful with your message titles in the future. nt posted by Tom Gaylord on August 24, 2000 at 09:35:56:
TG,
Exactly what are you objecting to the misspelling or the actual title? There is no profanity so what wrong with it? Its simply a take off of a movie tag line. please tell us what you are objecting to. thanks
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In Reply to: Ick.... posted by TK on August 24, 2000 at 10:02:18:
NT
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I'm considering a couple of scopes for a QB78 and would like some opinions from anyone firmiliar with these scopes. Bushnell Sportview 4x12x40 AO $49.95 vs Simmons Deerfield 4x12x40 AO $59.95. Both are NIB. Is there another that I should consider?
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In Reply to: Re: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by Ryp on August 24, 2000 at 09:51:59:
We don't need to hear the details of your bird slaugter.
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In Reply to: Burris Scopes Signature url posted by Myopic_shooter on August 24, 2000 at 09:55:24:
Adobe Acrobat Reader required
In Reply to: Burris Scopes Signature vs R/A posted by Art on August 24, 2000 at 08:58:18:
click onward
In Reply to: Burris Scopes Signature vs R/A posted by Art on August 24, 2000 at 08:58:18:
the 8x32 Elite 4200 does do 10yrds.D&R sports has it for under $400. that i know..the rest i deferr to some one else here
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In Reply to: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 07:34:12:
Shall we fwd this to the starling lovers website?? :)
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I am looking for a good, used Benjamin Sheridan EB17 CO2 Pistol. Let me know if you have one that needs a new home.
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In Reply to: Re: Theory is the domain of inexperienced... my world and welcome to it. posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 19:30:05:
trust me..i used logic with little fact about shooting up in a tree and what the pellets does and why..logic isnt fact and i was very wrong and was called on it
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In Reply to: I love the smell of dead starlings in the morming posted by bing on August 24, 2000 at 07:34:12:
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.com
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In Reply to: Hobby VS. Hobby posted by matt sudol on August 23, 2000 at 17:59:02:
matt, the only hobby i know of, that doesnt need more stuff, for your stuff. is magazine\comic collecting. but even the nuts in that hobby buy humidifiers\de-humidifiers. knive collecting doesnt need tomuch stuff. past a neat new knive. shadow box to show them off. oil to keep rust away. seems we always need more stuff for our stuff ;)
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In Reply to: To Mac1 posted by Cody Dotter on August 24, 2000 at 07:40:46:
Cody the shuttle mods let you shoot long and short pellets in the same gun without having to adjust the shuttle stop.
The gun has a clip in the side and it feeds the pellets, the shuttle slides out pellet goes through. shuttle slides back. If you don't have the mods you have to shoot same length pellets in the gun. (some are short and some are long). Pointed pellets are not the best because the point of one pellet goes up the skirt of the other, hence when the shuttle closes it crimps the front of the next pellet and jams a lot.
Great thing is a lot of domed pellets work so well in it and the gun is so powerful you don't need pointed for anything.
Factory ammo is just the brand made by the factory and really doesn't have to be used with the gun. You can get it from Mac-1 or several other places.
I would suggest that you get the Career in .22 (bag the CR-97 idea) and get it from Mac-1. You'll have so much fun witht hat gun it will keep your interest for at least a couple of months.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: FX2000 And Max. ft/lb ??? posted by Omer on August 24, 2000 at 06:15:56:
I have several of both and cost really has noting to do with power persay. There is no real way to make the fx go past 40 FPE without some very expensive changes...like taking the gun apart and putting new parts into it. Maybe if it was 25 caliber you goud get about 10-20 more FPE out of it. If you want power FX aint the gun.
Got the 707 in Rifle and Carbine in three calibers. .22 is my favortie. I've never shot it to empty on full power...I never need full power.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Co2UNE your Qb78 or Cr160 posted by CJ on August 24, 2000 at 07:07:09:
How many shots are you averaging with dual CO2's.
Have you chronied FPS ovet the entire range of shots per charge:?
Later
Larz
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In Reply to: Re: Purchasing Pellets posted by Dutch on August 24, 2000 at 06:00:28:
yeah but the other pellets are more expensive...so I was trying to give him the best place to buy all BUT that's very good info none the less.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Pistol Shooting Books posted by Matt Williams on August 23, 2000 at 23:45:35:
Try Amazon.com and search or go to NRA home page and search. Both have a selection of books.
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I know that the Burris Signature 8x32 is a 44mm Objective lens.
My question is the Burris R/A 8x32 a 44mm?
If not does the Signature series focus to 10 yards?
Also does Bushnell 4200 8x32 focus to 10 yards, I know the 6x24 does but these are 40MM.
Does the extra 4mm gather that much more light?
Art
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In Reply to: Beeman SLR-98 posted by Brian on August 24, 2000 at 08:19:27:
I've had mine for a couple of weeks. This gun is powerful enough to hunt up to rabbit sized game out to 50 yds with well placed head shots. However , if you're looking for a real powerhouse , look elsewhere. Accuracy is very good. The build quality and fit and finish are TOP notch . A neat gun , and worth the coin.
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In Reply to: Did you just get the QB-1? posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 18:39:02:
They were on sale last week for $20, but were sold out when I called. I got mine NIB on Brad's page for $60. I am modifying mine to look like the $400 take down rifle on Marty's site. Also putting on a 22 barrel and extended bulk fill resevoir. No shooting info yet.HTH
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In Reply to: Neat link posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 00:56:38:
On the web site did you click on Firearm humor.
Cute story,wonder if any one at the Worlds will use that excuse, HaHA.
Art
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In Reply to: AAAAAA!! " Verses " are in the bible. You guys are looking for " versus. " NT posted by Spellpest on August 24, 2000 at 07:41:19:
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I saw this gun advertised at the Straight Shooters site. Have any of you used or purchased this gun? I'd like to hear your opinions and reviews. To what does it compare in this price range for FPE, accuracy, what is it similar to? This seems like a neat gun but is it worth the coin?
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In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:
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I went to your web site. There's a shuttle mod thingy. What does it do? You say: When a gun has a shuttle mod you can use factory ammo, Kodiaks, Eley Magnums, and Crow Mags. Can the stock gun shoot any pellet as long as it's not pointed without the mod? If not how come? And where can I get factory ammo? What is short ammo. Also, could I shoot pointed pellets single shot? Finally, what is the lightest pellet I can use in the CA 707? ThanX!
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In Reply to: Co2UNE your Qb78 or Cr160 posted by CJ on August 24, 2000 at 07:07:09:
sounds pretty neat. I've been in bunches of these valves and wondered if a 'coke bottle' waist on the valve stem brass head would increase flow. I would like to see a field test of your mods in an AGL writeup. thanks, alan in ga. PS I got a nice few fps using old hardened valve stems trued and turned on a lathe but always hesitated to send a rebuild off with one because I did not know how long the older black material would last. A nice hard urethane trued flat and true might make a nice valve stem.
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I woke up to a nightmare this morning! I heard the starling singing out side my window. Well i guess it wasn't a nightmare, just a rude awakening. So while making coffee I spotted four of them varmints sitting in a row facing me 30 yds out. In there usual tree,one that I have already ranged.Well I just go grab the Falcon Raptor open the kitchen window and put the cross hairs on the first shit bird, and pow! Thats one down. Looking thru the scope I only see two left, hmmm where'd the other one go? Taking the gun down I see number two on the ground looking at his fallen comrade, asking "hey Joe are you ok?" Well I just popped him on the ground. Now I had two dead birds within two feet of each other.
now to the live varmints. Yep. They where still sitting pretty. This to easy. Just put the cross hairs on him and squeeze the trigger.POW!!Down goes dirty bird number three. And that makes a pile of three that I don't have to search forin the bush. Well old number four was probably pretty nervous by this time because he had moved a couple of branches closer. And some people think these birds are smart. Needless to say the Raptor spoke and I got a clean sweep. All before my morning coffee!!! It doesn't get any better than this.
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Co2UNE
Here’s some background, I've been a Toolmaker for 10yrs. Co2UNE’s are done professionally on machinery. I’ve tuned my gun by trial and error and with consulting a mechanical engineer on how to increase flow. I’ve have had consistent results with the other guns I've tuned. All guns have the original parts except for the bolt probe and some seals. This is what is done to them. Match and increase the barrel port, Part off the bolt and install a probe, Profile the valve for more flow, increase the hammer spring, put extra set screw in the breech to hold the barrel to help with the plastic barrel clamp. For the .177 cut a better O-ring groove on the bolt for a better seal.3-4 day turnaround (work time).
Co2UNE’s are $40 plus $7 S/H.
Results of a Co2UNE
Cr160 .22 cal 13.2gr Daisy pellet’s 90degsF
630FPS 11.8FPE stock
740FPS 16.05FPE Co2UNED
QB78 .177 cal 7.9gr CPL 85degsF
620FPS 6.74FPE stock
770FPS 10.40FPE Co2UNED
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