It is not really summer in Hyannis until our senior senator veers the Rosemobile onto a busy sidewalk sending vacationers ducking and t shirts flying. Ten hours later the Globe runs its annual Profiles In Courage Award to the "hero of Poucha Pond" for checking into the Betty Ford Clinic. Twenty four hours later a puff piece written by tootsie Molly Ivins denounces high energy projectiles on public sidewalks and submits a new gun control ballot question with a ban on bad ice cubes for Public Safety.
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In Reply to: Re: Cool Crosman posted by Quack on August 13, 2000 at 21:36:38:
Paul im not sure as Jeff is a friend and I know he is cutting me some slack I told him I would be up in 3 weeks so I'll let ya know more about it then sorry for not being much help but like Mike said the gun when gone through trigger tuned and seal worked on is one heck of a shooter and Jeff works on them untill he finds a barrel that the rest of the gun likes not to mention cutting it down and recrowning also.
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In Reply to: Even though I have a Steriod 392 coming,can you give me the link to his page(if he has one),sounds sweet... posted by Josh P. on August 13, 2000 at 23:03:13:
Josh, I don't think he has a web site. I asked him if he frequented The Airgun Forum and he said no. I could be wrong though.
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: Dare Devil Dinkum posted by Dave B on August 14, 2000 at 03:38:52:
Belgium?
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In Reply to: Re: Ripoff Artist posted by M Boyle on August 14, 2000 at 05:45:46:
I'm wondering though how you were ripped off.
Any details?
'Kiwi' Kev
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In Reply to: Spring tempaccuracy posted by Sid E. on August 14, 2000 at 02:20:29:
sid it couldbe more you then the gun..the body starts knowing a gun..the rest may mess this up..that said i think its a change in the seal not the spring..the spring doesnt really warm up but the seal with direct contact with the air in the chamber when fired should heat up some
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In Reply to: Ripoff Artist posted by Ralph on August 14, 2000 at 04:21:47:
in what way? doesnt NZ have strict gun laws like the UK..maybe what you ordered is stuck in customs..ho did he rip you off
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In Reply to: Loading Variants posted by Zero on August 13, 2000 at 15:45:03:
Sharpened dowel rod 3" longer than barrel with slight groove around circumference to tie 8lb. test mono fishing line, about 50'. You can attach
cheap spinning reel to barrel and open bail to allow line to "play" out. Give it a try. Won't damage gun however I wipe dowel dry B4 inserting
it back into barrel.
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Swinson and I did some shooting this weekend and he brought along some "Sidewalk" chalk and some gray
Spacemen. The spacemen are the same size as green Army men except they're made of a harder plastic. A
good solid body hit blows them to pieces. Heads, legs and arms go flying everywhere!
The chalk is great too. POOF! instant clouds of colored dust. Craig was picking off chunks of chalk at 55
yards with one of his .22 Falcons using hold over and a 16x scope!
The spacemen and chalk were fun but we decided to switch to .38 Special cases, 9mm cases and 240 gr
.44 cal bullets. Let me tell you. A .429" bullet is a tough target at 55 yards. Dead center on a .38 case is
also very challenging, to say the least. I was using my Pro-Target with a BSA 10x50.
We also had fun shooting into the hollow point of the .44 bullet at 30 yards and into the case mouth of the
9mm's at 30 yards. Those case really went flying!
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In Reply to: Re: Kids and airguns lately posted by Sammy on August 14, 2000 at 01:05:11:
And who's fault do you think it is that there's no father in a given home? That's right, the father's.
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In Reply to: accurate posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 14:17:31:
nt
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In Reply to: Electric Pump for PCP Air Rifles posted by Vic Thompson on August 13, 2000 at 13:38:09:
nt
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In Reply to: Career 9mm questions posted by matt sudol on August 13, 2000 at 18:39:54:
The 9mm Career produces energies about equal to that of a .380 Auto. And they shoot the same caliber bullet.
I wouldn't shoot a deer with a .380 and I hope you wouldn't shoot one with a 9mm Career.
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In Reply to: Don't exceed 24 BAR, 22 BAR or lower is best posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on August 13, 2000 at 14:06:53:
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Does anybody have experience with this rifle? Any info appreciated.
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In Reply to: Re: Are Prometheus pellets any good? The ones in plastic... (nt) posted by Fen on August 13, 2000 at 14:57:23:
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Keep clear of this guy. "Alex Gorodetzky". email is AKGordos@cs.com
This guy ripped me off. Trouble is I can't do anything about it. He is in the States, I am in New Zealand. But I can warn you guys to steer clear of him.
Ralph
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In Reply to: can the Beeman P1 shoot BB's?? posted by nin1974 on August 14, 2000 at 01:41:00:
Before you do, sell the P1 to me for $5 which is about what it will be worth when you finish with it. Airgun barrels are made of relatively soft steel since they are only designed to shoot lead pellets.
You know what, I'm rescinding the offer of $5, because it occurs to me that if you don't know this, you didn't read any of the material that came with the gun and you have probably already damaged it.
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Could any one help me? I have an old GAMO air pistol (.177,underbarrel cocking lever,black,serial #183758, with a r.hand grip) It was given to me a while ago . It still works but over time the plastic handle got brittle and later broke. I was wondering if anyone can help me find someone who knows where i can get a replacement.
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In Reply to: Convincing a mother to buy an airgun update posted by Eli Gratz on August 13, 2000 at 22:19:30:
You might want to try the high road. Airgunning is a recognized Olympic sport and a good place to start yourself on the road to being an Olympic champion would be a Crosman Pellet Rifle. If money is not a problem, the Crosman Challenger 2000 is a heck of a good place to start. It is very match looking and might help with the argument. Joining a club that supports Match shooting would be good also. Holding a certification of gun safety training could make all the difference.
dt fletcher
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In Reply to: BSA Supersport Shooting 6-8 inches higher? posted by Pat on August 13, 2000 at 20:13:59:
Have you slipped when cocking the gun so the barrel slammed to it's uppwards position? If the barrel is probably bent uppwards.
Mikael
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In Reply to: Shooting springers from the bench....... posted by Sean on August 13, 2000 at 22:15:29:
Practice,Practice and more Practice. When i first got my BSA Supersport 4years ago i couldnt get it to group better than 1.5" at 33y (30m). Today after 20 000 shots and a home tune i shoot an average about 0.9" (5 shot groups c-c) at 55y (50m)from a soft rest.
Mikael
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I'm looking for the country of origin for the above pistol.As pictured on Beeman catalog, edition #16. 1990-1991. Any info would be great!!!
Thanx
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In Reply to: Anti-Gun Laws in US. Any comments or concerns???? posted by Chazzz on August 13, 2000 at 03:27:38:
Simply refuse to give in! Hide your guns. Lie to the Gestapo. Don't register a damn thing. Laws that would disarm us are illegal and need not be followed.
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In Reply to: Questions for TAU-7 owners posted by TCooper on August 13, 2000 at 02:48:26:
Todd. For indoor 10 meter target this gun is more than accurate enough. At 20 meters the only limiting factor for shiloute shooting is the user. For the price you get more than your moneys worth. Just follow the instructions ie: cock before charging and definitely alternate the CO2 piercing caps when changing powerlets. The grip is decent and reasonably adjustable. The assortment of sights included should have something for every preference. One thing I have noticed which I have not seen mentioned is that the accuracy of this pistol is affected by the tension of the front screw which is used to attach the front woodwork to the barrel. As this screw tensions against the barrel I have noticed significant group size changes when the tension is adjusted. I would be interested if other users have had the same experience.
StuartH
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In Reply to: Re: Visiting the Alamo Tomorrow posted by chasm on August 12, 2000 at 00:15:34:
Chasm. If you get a chance tour the other missions in the area (there are four of five). You can do them all in a day and it is interesting to see some of the other structures. Just my opinion but for a defendable structure one of the other missions would have made a better choice.
StuartH
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In Reply to: Re: Entry Level Match Air Rifles Advice Needed posted by Driskill on August 13, 2000 at 08:26:26:
Thanks!
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In Reply to: We should be careful with our terminology posted by Fearon Steele on August 12, 2000 at 03:49:53:
Fearon. The only thing you ran afoul of here is the concealed weapon issue. That has been in effect for many decades. It would be the same if you walked around in public with a pocket knife over 2.5 " of blade lenngth. If its in your pocket it is a concealed weapon if it is in a sheath on your belt you can carry it anywhere. I find that with air guns in general education is needed. When I am out shooting and get a nasty look from passers by, the first thing I try to do is explain the weapon and its use. More often then not the fear turns to a curiosity which leads to the "Want to try a shot?" question. Most folks cannot resist.
StuartH
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In Reply to: Re: Daisy Model 45, anyone know anything about this gun? posted by Steve on August 14, 2000 at 02:10:46:
I have the Daisy 45, and it will fire the Crosman domes. You have to load them into the clip "backwards" - ie from the end that they present to the receiver.You can load the flatheads this way also. I've managed to load up to 14 or 15 into the clip this way. My only complaint was about the loose barel which rrequired some tape to tighten. This has also improved the accuracy.
georgB
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In Reply to: Re: Entry Level Match Air Rifles Advice Needed posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 00:14:23:
Thanks! Will look closely at those models. The Chinese model is an eye-opener, price and accuracy wise.
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In Reply to: Re: Kids and airguns lately posted by Sammy on August 14, 2000 at 01:05:11:
Sorry for the typo Russ. "I afraid" should have been "I'm afraid". Boy I hate when I do that.
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In Reply to: Re: Entry Level Match Air Rifles Advice Needed posted by Phillip Reedy on August 13, 2000 at 02:16:50:
Thanks Phillip! I'm checking the used airgun market as soon as I read all the follow-ups. Your advice is as good as it could get. I'm really keen on the used Feinwerkbau 300s or Diana 75s, and am hoping to find a good one. I'm from the Philippines and there isn't much to find here with regards to match airguns, much so support for the sport. But I'm very keen on purchasing one. I will also look at the TAU-200.
So, I'll start from here, and your advice is very encouraging at the least. Hope it's ok if I ask further questions later, and I'll keep you posted.
Thanks again!
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In Reply to: Ordering Crosman 160s from CMP? posted by Lon on August 12, 2000 at 22:45:42:
Yes! You must be a member of a DCM affiliated club. However - Virtually every state has a '___________ Rifle & Pistol Association'. ALL of these 'state associations' are DCM affiliated.
They are essentially administrative organizations handling the competitive shooting activities and some political affairs. As such, they do not have ranges and other expenses and therefore their dues are usually about as cheap as you can get. Membership in your 'State Association' is a prerequisite to participation in most 'major' competitions. If you know any serious competition Rifle or Pistol Shooters, they will be able to put you in touch with your State Association. Also, since ALL State Associations are DCM affiliates - all you will need to send is your current membership card. With other types of affiliated clubs - you will need to find out what that clubs DCM 'ID number' is, and provide that as well.
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In Reply to: Re: Daisy Model 45, anyone know anything about this gun? posted by Steve on August 14, 2000 at 02:10:46:
Steve, I have a Daisy Power Line 45, 13 shot clip (made in Japan) that I bought as a refurb from Sportsman Guide about 5 years ago. I think that the new Daisy 45 has probally been totally redesigned. SSlick
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In Reply to: Spring tempaccuracy posted by Sid E. on August 14, 2000 at 02:20:29:
Wild? As in unpredictable? Always high? Always low?
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Sometimes after shooting for a while then taking a break,say to change a target,my first shot is wild.I am wondering if the rest gives the spring a chance to cool down.Could the spring be warming up with repeated shots?Does the temp. of the spring change its behavior?Has anyone else had this problem?
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In Reply to: Daisy Model 45, anyone know anything about this gun? posted by Jason on August 14, 2000 at 00:22:35:
Jason, I have one I bought about 5 years ago. I think I've shot it two or three times. It does look good, but, that's about all I can say about it. I could'nt test the accuracy because the trigger is about the worst I've ever seen. Mine also seemed to jam quite frequently. SSlick
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In Reply to: Re: FX-2000 owners, I need your opinions........ posted by RGunn on August 13, 2000 at 17:27:33:
We actualy did a test with and without the BBMF with a meter and it came in 70 decibals with and 91 without the BBMF. To the ear it sounds nice and clean, doesn't kill the sound but makes it very clean with very little to no "CRACK". I have gas that is louder then the gun.
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In Reply to: Re: Converting 12 gram to bulk. posted by Whitewolf on August 14, 2000 at 00:28:42:
Thanks for the info!! Dave
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In Reply to: Kids and airguns lately posted by RBest on August 14, 2000 at 00:34:40:
The direction all of the answers have taken so far
is probably pretty much on the mark.
There is one other possible situation. Example:
I usually didn't have to talk my dad into things
like air guns. Mom was the obstacle. I think dad
used to make me go through the process just so I
was prepared to make rational arguments, appreciate
any positive results, and deal with negative results.
Anyway, 'single mom' is almost certainly the situation.
Perhaps we'll hear from the kids on their individual
situations. Even a silence may tell the tale. No?
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In Reply to: Daisy Model 45, anyone know anything about this gun? posted by Jason on August 14, 2000 at 00:22:35:
I've noticed you have been asking this question for quite sometime and no one has responded, reason being this gun came out the beginning of this month and not many people own/seen it. I bought one of them at k-mart. Has pretty good accuracy. Love the grip, comfortable. Hammer is aligned straight on this gun unlike the competition (Crosman 1008). You get about 50 good shots per CO2. The clip idea is pretty cool and its fast to reload if you buy more. Only thing I hate is the fact it uses the flathead pellets only (Although they tear the hugest holes I've seen in an aluminum can). I'm gonna take it hunting tomorrow, hopefully I'll pluck some birds and cans. I would suggest it, hell if you don't like it keep the receipt and you can always get your $ back if it doesn't meet your desires.
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I have a Beeman P-3 and have owned the Webley Nemesis. I have never seen a Gamo Compact but I like the look of the wooden target grips(in pictures).
I know all these guns have similar internal power systems.
Are the internals on the Compact made of metal components like the P-3 or are plastic parts used?
I noticed that a lot of Compacts end up on Brad Troyer's classified ads. Is there a reason for this? Is the P-3 better made?
I heard they are accurate but what about dependability?
Thanks,
Todd
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In Reply to: Techforce 97 or 25? Help!!!!! posted by AAR on August 14, 2000 at 01:42:16:
Get a B21/B22 or an XS-B18 from James Kitching and Fun Supply. URL below. SSlick
In Reply to: Techforce 97 or 25? Help!!!!! posted by AAR on August 14, 2000 at 01:42:16:
How big are the pest you going to shoot?
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In Reply to: Techforce 97 or 25? Help!!!!! posted by AAR on August 14, 2000 at 01:42:16:
How big are the pest you going to shot?
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In Reply to: Re: Kids and airguns lately posted by Sammy on August 14, 2000 at 01:05:11:
Sammy:You are right and the mothers have to put in 20 to 23 hours of work a day to pay the rent and the bills,because the "father"is not paying no money to the mother.Thats is usually the hours for a mother.Q:HOW many jobs do a single mother have? A:three jobs total about 20 to 23 hours a day.And only one job cannot even pay the rent when they only make 150 a week!!TO make matters worse the companys today are hiring part-time,so when busness gets slow so the hours get cut and the mother has to find another job.
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In Reply to: Can someone with an IZH-61 Measure the diameter of the barrel for me? posted by Steve T on August 13, 2000 at 12:15:57:
I have two IZH-61s. The barrels measure:
Gun #1-- .511 at muzzle and .517 at receiver
Gun #2-- .512 at muzzle and .510 at receiver
Yes, that's correct. Gun #2 has a barrel that gets a bit larger at the muzzle. Built in muzzle weight?
I bought #1 from Golden Toller and #2 from Cabela's.
Both guns shoot great.
Todd
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In Reply to: El Gamo 126 Pnuematic Target Rifle posted by DeathDancer on August 13, 2000 at 11:47:06:
You might also try Daisy Airguns. They marketed these as part of their youth competition shooting promotions - as recently as about 5 yrs ago - if not still.
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In Reply to: Are Prometheus pellets any good? The ones in plastic... (nt) posted by Marco on August 13, 2000 at 08:50:13:
The are really bad (or at least from my experience with them).
They clog up the barrel's rifling with plastic.
Plus, sometimes the head detaches while in teh barrel, and the zinc head shoots out, but the plastic butt is left stuck in the barrel (which is a really annoying to get out).
I'm pretty sure that they'd be too light for most magnum springers aswell.
And for all of the trouble involved with them, they are really really really expensive.
Chris
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Compasseco has deals on the Techforce 97 ($132.00 with 4X scope) and Techforce 25 ($157.00 with 4x scope). I want an inexpensive .22 cal for pest control and these are within my budget. Are these guns any good? Which should I get? Thanks!
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In Reply to: can you recommend a good online... posted by nin1974 on August 14, 2000 at 01:38:09:
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In Reply to: Re: whats a STRONG airGUN not air rifle posted by jeff Guinan on August 13, 2000 at 10:30:32:
Thanks guys!! OK, any Q, recommend a good Online store for the spoken Airguns and I rather NOT use CO2, so any recommended models WITHOUT CO2 BUT still strong??
BTW, whats "magnum"??? Is 500FPS strong i heard you can get 600FPS from the Beeman P1...
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In Reply to: Need info on and price of Air rifle (old) posted by Wayne Allen on August 14, 2000 at 00:48:06:
According to John Knibbs' book this gun was made between January 1913 to December 1914. I've seen guns that are complete and functioning with a nice brown finish on the metal and somewhat scratched and dented wood go for about $250.
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I would like to scope these two rifles, but need
a source for scope rings.
Awhile back someone had posted that these where
available, but I do not recall who the maker was.
If you have thier email or phone number I would
appreciate it.
Thanks
Chavez
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In Reply to: Re: Kids and airguns lately posted by Sammy on August 14, 2000 at 01:05:11:
Sammy: I suspect you're right on all counts. I suppose it'll have an indirect affect on the numbers of shooting enthusiasts over time too. It IS a sad state of affairs. RB
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In Reply to: Re: 14.3gr Crosman Premiers in a .20 R1 Laser--too heavy ? posted by John Sa. on August 14, 2000 at 00:54:56:
John: I've never seen a Laser spring, but I suspect it isn't THAT much different from stock (dimensionally speaking). BTW- those numbers are just guidelines for springers with .128 wire diameter springs or smaller. They aren't all inclusive or perfect. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Kids and airguns lately posted by RBest on August 14, 2000 at 00:34:40:
more single parant families russ..mom gets the kids dad gets the house..sad..to raise men you need both mom and dad..if not you get half an adult somtimes
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In Reply to: Kids and airguns lately posted by RBest on August 14, 2000 at 00:34:40:
I afraid that is a sad sign of the times as I am sure you already know. While I don't know if it is the case with the kids that post on this board, I believe in general that a great number of kids today have no father in the home. I believe the statistics that I saw last said that over half of kids had no father in the home. I don't know if that is accurate or not. But I have seen a lot of it. And it is not getting any better. While people say that adult crime is down, they fail to tell you that juvenile crime is way way up.
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In Reply to: Re: 14.3gr Crosman Premiers in a .20 R1 Laser--too heavy ? posted by John Sa. on August 14, 2000 at 00:59:12:
John: many sources over a long period of time. I've been an airgunner for 44 years. 40 of that is shooting springers. I've never had a spring fail yet on guns that are decades old, when I stick to those guidelines. RB
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as i was searching for BC info i found this site. btw last time i did a search i found some minor info on CS BC it was a BC for round ammo like flintlocks use..never found more..it only mentioned that BC type and i wounder if there was more on it..anyone know were i can get info on the different BC theorys?
In Reply to: Re: 14.3gr Crosman Premiers in a .20 R1 Laser--too heavy ? posted by John Sa. on August 14, 2000 at 00:54:56:
Actually, if they are tight, that's two strikes, right? Heavy and hard to get started...
Thanks for the info, by the way, how did you find all this out?
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In Reply to: Phun with a pellet gun... posted by Zero on August 13, 2000 at 10:43:03:
I read, 'We also found out that this does fun stuff to triple-paned office windows. If you catch my drift...'
Catch your drift? What are you advocating here? Unless you're a glazier or otherwise have access to glass panes the only way you'd be able to 'find out' what this does to 'office-windows' is with windows that are installed in actual offices.
Jeez! .... 'office-windows', 'cats', 'dogs'.... what the hell are we shooting at here lately?????
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: 14.3gr Crosman Premiers in a .20 R1 Laser--too heavy ? posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 23:56:54:
I had noted that they were harder to load, but chalked that up to composition difference, not diameter...
By the way, the Laser spring is different from the stock R1 spring, do you know if it's heavier or lighter???
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In Reply to: What worries me is that I am at the extreme upper end...(nt) posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 23:27:26:
John: I only worry about extreme upper ends when my doctor is talking about my blood pressure. As long as the pellets aren't a tight fit(added backpressure), don't worry about it. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Are Prometheus pellets any good? The ones in plastic... (nt) posted by Dave B on August 14, 2000 at 00:30:15:
I just KNEW they had to work in something! :>) Russ
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I am trying to find out some info on a old air rifle for a friend. I want to thank in advance for any information that I can pass on to him. I have pics that I can email if someone would like to see it. Well here I go I will try to descride it. It is a Birmingham Small Arms, Improved Model# D, S# 66848, with a pat date of 3-4-06. Not know much about these it looks in very good shape, for as old as it may be. The cocking lever, and triger seem to work well. This item is not for sale at this time.
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In Reply to: Re: what is a blue yugo??? posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 19:23:42:
John: certainly less aggravation, that's for sure. I mean- who knows..... people may come from miles around just to snicker at it and kick tires and tell Yugo Stories ! heh heh "..Yeah, last time I had to change a tire on one, I picked it up and rolled it on it's side.." or. "I backed into one in a parking lot with my '58 Edsel. They didn't call for a towtruck, they just cleaned it up with a streetsweeper!" HA Russ
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Is it my imagination? Or do I only see kids dealing with their moms for airguns here? Where are the fathers and their input/influence? Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Are Prometheus pellets any good? The ones in plastic... (nt) posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 21:18:06:
I have used them in a HW54 EL with the pellet going thru a stop sign. They are the only ones that will work inthe Harper Classic Wolf!!!!
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In Reply to: Big ol' WUSS posted by bearridge on August 13, 2000 at 21:24:50:
nt
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In Reply to: Converting 12 gram to bulk. posted by Dave P on August 13, 2000 at 22:31:58:
Contact Tim at MacI he has a kit for the 262 for around $50.00 He's in the resources on home page.
Later Whitewolf
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I've seen it in the store for about $50. Is this a good gun for $50? Does anyone own one or have any opinions on it? I'd appriciate any commentary. thanx!
J
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In Reply to: Re: If anybody knows NJ state regulations (regarding airguns)? posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 23:47:56:
Russ, Only handguns are registered here. Rifles and shotguns require a fid to purchace but no registration. Handguns require a "Permit to purchace & register" for each gun purchaced.
Airguns are considered firearms and must follow the same rules as such. But there are legal ways around this. For airguns and BP guns that is.
James L
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In Reply to: Re: If anybody knows NJ state regulations (regarding airguns)? posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 23:47:56:
Russ, Only handguns are registered here. Rifles and shotguns require a fid to purchace but no registration. Handguns require a "Permit to purchace & register" for each gun purchaced.
Airguns are considered firearms and must follow the same rules as such. But there are legal ways around this. For airguns and BP guns that is.
James L
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In Reply to: Sorry, physics really does work. posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 21:14:12:
Bingo!
You forgot to mention that the energy is concentrated and timely spent on the POI , and since the leading edge of the pellet has essentally stopped the skirt has to continue it's forward movement, surface tension of lead alloysis weak, and the still spinning, moving mass of the skirt, fragments the projectile.
It still barely moves the 1 lb plate!
Relate the wasted energy as the pellet passes thru a water filled soda can... Lots wasted.
Pellet hit on vermin, has a better chance of using the energy.
I still like splats, and really wonder if theres a set velocity standard?
Dave N
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In Reply to: Don't understand! posted by Jon F. on August 14, 2000 at 00:00:42:
John: I explained it a couple days ago- probably farther below. Heavies (and tight pellets) induce a situation called piston bounce. Yes- very light pellets in magnums are no good either- they tend to cause burnt seals and damage from detonation of lubes. RB
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In Reply to: What I meant was that the CP is only available in one weight in .20 cal posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 23:25:48:
If your gun does fine with the CP's, don't worry, keep shooting.
Regards
Roland
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In Reply to: Convincing a mother to buy an airgun update posted by Eli Gratz on August 13, 2000 at 22:19:30:
WELL,it sames like you had the same problem as I did!!You must be the only child in the family,because I was and my parents was very over protective of me,but my mom's uncle had to heip me get my first pellet rifle.You think this is bad!wait until you ask her you want to learn how to drive!! What about your father can he help??
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As i am a recent owner of a minty FWB 124 Deluxe, I would love to purchase a publication (or copy) of the Air Rifle Headquarters publication Shop Manual for the FWB 124.
Thed gun shoots great and is lovely.
It is a Beeman San Rafael , Calif. version of the 124.Also, who can supply me with the proper sportsmatch rings for a FWB 124???
Serial number is in low 39xxx range, can anyone date this for me? Also it has the aluminum trigger, not the plastic one.
Thanks for the help-
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
A very good friend of mine, Ace Tan, spotted this beauty at the Reno Firearm show over the weekend and after checking with me bought it until I could drive the 150 miles to Reno. Lovely gun. DL
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In Reply to: 14.3gr Crosman Premiers in a .20 R1 Laser--too heavy ? posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 21:53:13:
Wouldn't heavier pellets give the spring a "good" type of resistance? Wouldn't too light of pellets be worse? What happens when kodiacs or equivilant is used in a springer? Wouldn't the spring/piston just close a bit slower and smoother? What about gas ram guns? I don't own, nor have even shot a spring gun.
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In Reply to: 14.3gr Crosman Premiers in a .20 R1 Laser--too heavy ? posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 21:53:13:
John: the R-1 has a heavier spring and is less affected. You could also try Kodiaks, as they are a bit lighter than Premiers and shoot very well at long ranges. The problem with some .20 Cal HW barrels is that they are rather tight for Premiers, and a velocity loss will be noted with these tight barrels. RB
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In Reply to: Who sells Webley besides Pyramid ??nt. posted by Derrin on August 12, 2000 at 21:33:07:
No test. Really.
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In Reply to: 2-stage trigger question posted by Larry on August 13, 2000 at 12:37:52:
one of the best triggers on a sporter airgun is a record R1 trigger..very adjustable..more you spend the better they get..im sure some history books on guns have trigger types "trigger to muzzle" may have info..pellethead sells many airgun books it can be found there
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In Reply to: Shooting springers from the bench....... posted by Sean on August 13, 2000 at 22:15:29:
Try the FAQ section on the site below and see if it helps. There is NO substitute for practice. RB
In Reply to: Re: Best pellet/weight for Air Force Talon??? posted by M Reames on August 13, 2000 at 22:45:34:
All depends on what ya wanna do. If you want to hunt at long ranges I'd use Kodiaks or bigger. Use lighter pellets for general shooting as you can shoot them as fast with less air/pressure and gain more shots.
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In Reply to: Best looking pistol around...suggestions? posted by s[i]lencer on August 10, 2000 at 14:02:32:
I love the looks of my CP88 (nickel 6"). I like the realism. I have a PPK/S and it looks very nice as well. It's a shame it doesn't perform as well as its appearance.
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In Reply to: Who's got the best price online for a Beeman Super 12? posted by Sean on August 13, 2000 at 13:00:28:
try rasco rod n rifle..they seem to have very good prices..i neve bought from them so im not sure of the service
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In Reply to: If anybody knows NJ state regulations (regarding airguns)? posted by oleg on August 13, 2000 at 22:33:51:
While I'm no Jerseyite, the situation there probably requires you to register them. Ck your local library for precise laws concerning airgun ownership. RB
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In Reply to: Which better, Gamo Hunter 440 or Beeman R9 posted by Cry Havok on August 10, 2000 at 17:29:06:
The R9 is way better. Yes, it may cost a bit more but it's more than worth it. The quality is high. From what I've heard Gamo quality is only so so, nothing compared to Beeman. Accuracy is very good and it's definitely more powerful at 14-16ftlbs. I've had mine for four years now and the appearance is still very good and I've had no problems with it at all. Ditch the Gamo go for the R9!
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In Reply to: Do not take this person's comments seriously! posted by RGunn on August 13, 2000 at 17:22:11:
RG, anyone who would..gets what they deserve..this guy not only only will shoot his eye out some day he may blow half his head off checking the muzzle end to see if his guns loaded or not
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In Reply to: Chronograph posted by Keith on August 13, 2000 at 18:40:46:
Kieth if you have the money Oehlers "the proof" chrony seems the best as its two chronys that avg out the data..but it costs
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In Reply to: No.... Russ has a chart posted by Gary on August 13, 2000 at 22:34:55:
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In Reply to: Re: 14.3gr Crosman Premiers in a .20 R1 Laser--too heavy ? posted by M Boyle on August 13, 2000 at 23:08:36:
I have other .20 cal pellets, lots, in fact, but I like the CPs accuracy and long range performance.
Thanks for the suggestions though, I don't have any of the pellets you mentioned. I may have to try some of them.
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In Reply to: Chronograph posted by Keith on August 13, 2000 at 18:40:46:
I started with 2 types of Chrony. Then the accuracy went south. I now have the Oehler 35P with printer for $345. The printer is outstanding. The whole thing including printer runs on one 9 volt battery. It saves a lot of time you would otherwise have to spend tabulating each shot. What it does not have is an indoor lighting accessory, which would be handy since airguns can be tested indoors.
Happy shooting,
Tom Jue/ca/usa
Tom Jue/ca/usa
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In Reply to: BSA Supersport Shooting 6-8 inches higher? posted by Pat on August 13, 2000 at 20:13:59:
pat, is this a scoped gun? most have assumed it is...if not the death grip prob applys or the stock screws are lose..tighten the screws and loosen the death grip..if you have a scope..then they are right..
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Check out this airgun Forum
Lots of info lots of posts, easy to use
Thanks
Diamond
In Reply to: 14.3gr Crosman Premiers in a .20 R1 Laser--too heavy ? posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 21:53:13:
john? you say you have no other choice? you cant order on the net? the FTS in 20cal works well and the H&N fieldtarget trophy smooths are the same but maybe 2$ cheaper pyramyd arms sells the FTTS
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In Reply to: Re: Cool Crosman posted by Mike Pearson on August 13, 2000 at 22:34:50:
for rat hunting...
Thanks-Josh P.
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In Reply to: Shooting springers from the bench....... posted by Sean on August 13, 2000 at 22:15:29:
Sean, you need a squair of foamrubber or something soft to lay the gun on. and very light contact with the gun. death grips on a airgun makes it worse let it recoil..Russ has a page on the faq of the BSA owners club website
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In Reply to: Fun Supply is OPEN Thanks for the orders guys, Wow! posted by Fun Supply on August 13, 2000 at 22:19:49:
i dont blame you a bit..my comps acting goofy too..i got 5 page fault OE errors, in the last 3 days one was 5 minutes after i booted.when it happins online it slams the modem drives and i end up reinstalling the modems drivers, which isnt a big deal.all i was doing was reading a txt file at the time.when the FP, OE error happined.not sure why its happining..im testing it by not running some software i had running ..seeing if it helps when it crashes and i learn why, the crash is worth it. in some sick way, as i find some new things out, i didnt know..sence i have some old shareware that i cant replace i really dont want to start over like you have..i do have a tape drive backup..if i need to i could, but dont want too :)
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In Reply to: Dogs in Rural Country posted by MarkD on August 11, 2000 at 19:59:22:
Mark,
Thanks for your perspective. I agree wholeheartedly,
but I also feel the sickness of the situation
Russ encountered. I think his saddness was at the
senseless execution of a harmless alley scrounger.
bearridge
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In Reply to: Rebuilt posted by ZAck on August 11, 2000 at 19:52:58:
I'm curious to find out just what it is myself. You'll have to excuse my odd sense of humor, when I read the post, for some reason, it struck me as quite funny.
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In Reply to: Re: My neighbor's son is 12 (and big for his age) and he is not able to cock my R9. (NT) posted by mel on August 12, 2000 at 23:47:11:
You may get lucky and not get caught this time, but if you persist in such postings, you will likely find yourself unable to access this site.
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In Reply to: How do I choose between the 3 different WALTHER co2 pistols? posted by TinkerMan on August 11, 2000 at 08:17:24:
Don't get the PPK. I bought one
not too long ago. It's fun, sure, but it's pathetically weak and very
UNaccurate. I'm talking like 3" groups at ten feet! I also just got a CP88
(6" nickel). This gun is great. Quality is superb and functions like a
dream. Accuracy, it's pretty good, but more for shooting for fun not highly
accurate target practice. I've heard great things about the CP99 and for
the price I think it's an excellent deal. Just my thoughts. Hope I helped.
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Have any of you tried a JM springed TF99.
how does it shoot?
Thanks
DAve P
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In Reply to: Best pellet/weight for Air Force Talon??? posted by Chazzz on August 13, 2000 at 22:21:09:
I use Marksman FTS in both barrels,(177&22) comparable to premiers, but FTS shoot better in my Stealth. Try 'em all. Mike Mike
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In Reply to: Choices posted by Jason on August 13, 2000 at 22:31:35:
if you could aford a P1, P2, or P3 id pick one of those..my P1 is a bit heavy but i hit what i aim at even to 20+yrds in wind..WilleyM can tell you that..try to save around $400 and your choice of a better gun will expand..
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In Reply to: Shooting springers from the bench....... posted by Sean on August 13, 2000 at 22:15:29:
I'm stilling trying to sort it all out, so this is
just to let you know you're not alone, especially
concerning vertical spread.
I'm having a couple of current frustrations with
shooting from a "bench". First is that the rest
material slowly changes shape. So, I'm trying to
find the best "padding" material. Next is that
subtley changing the direction the gun is pointing
on a 5 bull target affects POI. This means either
moving the rest or the target when I change bulls.
Kinda defeats the purpose of 5 bulls per sheet :-)
Then there's all the human hold sensitivity stuff
that is independent of bench shooting. Dealing
with that part is some of the fun, but then I have
this warped attitude about what's fun :-)
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In Reply to: BB vs pellet posted by James Kitching on August 13, 2000 at 22:30:01:
BB's bounce, hard, off almost anything. Off a hard surface they come back at around 95% of their speed. I would never allow any of my kids to shoot a BB ever, though they are well behaved, responsible, and careful.
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In Reply to: Convincing a mother to buy an airgun update posted by Eli Gratz on August 13, 2000 at 22:19:30:
Eli, find a gun safety course in your area.many shooting ranges have them. see if she will go with you..if you have a cert, saying you know what you are doing..it may help. "may help" as i was in my 20's when i really got into adult airguns mom had little to say..she wont be the one to get arrested or fined. as im of age..37 now
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In Reply to: 14.3gr Crosman Premiers in a .20 R1 Laser--too heavy ? posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 21:53:13:
John,
I just asked Russ the same question. He posted this chart further down the list.
HTH
Gary
As a very general rule:
.177's keep pellets between 7.3 and 9.5 gr
,20 " " " 10.5 and 14.3 gr
.22 " " " 11.5 and 15.5 grains
This applies to most 'magnum class' spring rifles, but not all. Lower powered rifles should try to stay on the lighter end of pellets. Regards, Russ Best
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In Reply to: Cool Crosman posted by Quack on August 13, 2000 at 20:45:29:
You're more than welcome Paul! Jeff is a well kept secret (too much so) of the airgunning community. His accurized Crosmans are a steal price and performance-wise. I can tell you for a fact that he sells NO gun without it first being THOROUGHLY checked and tested by himself.
I know too that he goes through quite a few barrels before he finds one that he feels good about selling and you can bet that when he says it shoots good, it shoots GOOD, as in REAL GOOD!
A 4 pound, compact carbine that spits .22 Premiers out at 590fps and is exquisitely accurate to boot is very hard to beat! He has made kills with these guns that are simply astonishing. Also, what I love about these guns is there accessability to scope use. No special mts., no special scopes (except for parallax that is), no problems common to the Sheridan/Benjamin (as much as I love those guns). One of Jeff's little 2200's would be an ideal choice for our winter cottontails (in the heavy thickets). ---- Thanks For the Report, Mike
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In Reply to: Shooting springers from the bench....... posted by Sean on August 13, 2000 at 22:15:29:
Sean,
If the gun has less than 1000 shots through it, the vertical stringing will probably go away after the excess lube is burnt off. If you haven't shot it at least 2000 times, you are probably not used to it. The more you shoot it, the better it'll get. This is true for all springers (even air springs). Keep shooting.
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In Reply to: Chronograph posted by Keith on August 13, 2000 at 18:40:46:
I just bought a Pro chrono. It is far superior to the Chrony's that most use. Cost just a little more and worth it. I will never use a Chrony again.
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Please, can anybody tell me if some special rules or regulations exist in NJ regarding airguns. Do i need to get a permit of any kind to buy and airgun.
Thanks
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In Reply to: Choices posted by Jason on August 13, 2000 at 22:31:35:
I forgot to add, what types of ammunition would hurt either gun? Thanks
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I have a Crosman 262 sporter and I was thinking about bulking it .It is a very accurate rifle so I think it would be worth it. Do any of you have a bulk filled 262? Who wants to do it? If it is a sucess then I will go as far as having a nice thumbhole stock made for it.
Thanks
Dave P
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I've decided to go with either a Walther CP-99 or a Gamo P23 laser. I'm not a sport shooter, but I still would like accuracy. Which woule be best for a plinker like me. Which gun is better in terms of durability, accuracy, etc. Also, what else do I need, cleaning supplies, whatever. Thanks
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In Reply to: The disneyization of America. posted by John Sa. on August 11, 2000 at 22:56:57:
Thanks John. Perhaps we would have been better off if
Lee Harvey had shot Walt? Naw. But I do
appreciate you post.
bearridge
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In Reply to: Re: BSA Supersport Shooting 6-8 inches higher? posted by R J K on August 13, 2000 at 21:33:50:
If, as you say you did, a drastical elevation correction has no influence at all, seems to me the erector assy. in the scope is not moving the way it should be when turning elev. screw!
Regards
Roland
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In Reply to: Convincing a mother to buy an airgun update posted by Eli Gratz on August 13, 2000 at 22:19:30:
Pellet wins on all counts except price.
BB's are quite likely to bounce back and hit you, maybe in the eye. I would never shoot a BB now. I did when I was a kid, and got hit with plenty of em, luckily, never in the eye.
Never had a pellet bounce, though they can, it is FAR less likly. Always wear eye protection when shooting anything.
I were glasses all the time, and they have saved my vision more than once.
???????
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I am am back with a new operating system W2k and redundant backups.
Thanks for the orders. Sorry for the long delay in opening, but I was rebooting up to 15 times a day, and vowed to get things right.
I had no idea it would take so long. I wasted most of the time tryig to recover the old W98 system, finally gave up and insalled w2k clean.
Works great. he Internet moves at least twice as fast as well.
Now I can get back to filing orders and shooting airguns, I am pretty sick of computers right now.
Today we went over to the good old sportmart. We went past the football, baseball, and billiards sections and slowly made our way to the airgun counter. (don't get excited). WE got there and i looked them over and she was having none of it. Would not even look at them. She knows i am a responsible kid, but i havn't got a snowballs chance in hell. She is afraid that it is real. So i would get something that does not resemble a real gun, by NOT BEING MADE OF WOOD!!! So i would choose a crosman or something. They money is not an issue, but she is also afraid that someone will get hurt. There was no guy at the counter to reassure her that unless i am careless and point it at something i don't want to die, the chances of someone getting hurt are greatly reduced. But i will look into the gun club idea, and also tell her about the limited ricochets of pellets. And also how likly (like out of 100) is it that a bb ricochets? Because they are incredibly less expensive. Thanks
--Eli
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In Reply to: Re: It seems like the world posted by Mitch on August 12, 2000 at 06:20:17:
Mitch,
I agree, but I think this is just another example
of internet "failure to communicate". At least I
hope that's all it was.
bearridge
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How do the best scoring shooters handle their springers from the bench? As a newbie, I'm finally beginning to figure out my Beeman Crow Magnum springer after numerous unsuccessful trips to the range. Previously, I'd been attempting to shoot it like a benchrest rifle: Free recoil off sandbags, and was rewarded with terrible 1.5 inch groups at 25 yards. Regardless of pellet type. Have finally gotten my groups down significantly in size, but am plagued by verticle stringing. Don't know any other airgunners in person, so all handling advice is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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In Reply to: Anti-Gun Laws in US. Any comments or concerns???? posted by Chazzz on August 13, 2000 at 03:27:38:
I believe that if all firearms are banned this society will become an anarchist society. Criminals will not have to take the chance that you may or may not have a gun, they will know you don't. I watched a NRA "infomercial" not too long ago, and I wrote an essay about the anti-gun laws already inforced in other countries (and even here in the U.S.)Ithink that outlawing guns is like giving a child a handful of M-80's and a lighter with no supervision. How many guns are currently on the street ready for sale without any records??? Do anti-gun activists really think that demolishing all registered firearms is actually going to reduce crime? I thnk that the police, who are already overwhelmed with crime are going to be the first victims of crime for their weapons!!! I feel it. Join the NRA, Vote, "Loose" your weapons hunting, but don't give in to the demands of people that can't tell the differance between their ass and a hole in the ground!!!
-Chazzz
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In Reply to: Re: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by DougWall on August 13, 2000 at 12:49:10:
Where is a safe place to shoot?
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In Reply to: Re: Russ..How do you know what is right??? posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 21:11:17:
Got it Russ. It was posted today under spring life.
Gary
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In Reply to: Russ..How do you know what is right??? posted by Gary on August 13, 2000 at 21:05:06:
Hi Unc! I'm no expert but it SEEMS to me that my airguns kinda tell me what IT likes best by it's firing behavior. If I shoot a light Geco in my Steelgated R10 (17-18fpe) the gun really seems to slam. On the other hand if I shoot CP heavies in my HW77 it kinda groans with strange vibrations. Funny thing is that CP lights do seem to shoot pretty good in both guns, but aren't as accurate as the heavies in the R10. I know this doesn't help with your question about spring life, but it does make sense to me that the smoothest shooting pellet MIGHT have something to do with the equasion. I also have a several year old JM softspring that has shot tens of thousands of pellets including two boxes of CP heavies, several tins of Kodiacs and RWS Supermags, and my R10 will still shoot CPLs at 880-900 fps (910 when new). When I use this gun to squirrel hunt I just cock it and hunt. I doesn't seem that waiting a 1/2 hour or so between shots makes any difference at all. Now I'm huntin with the Steelgate/CP heavy setup and I really don't worry about it. One of the nice things about the R9 is that it only takes about 15 minutes to swap springs if needed so spring life to me isn't a concern when using Maccari springs. I don't know if factory springs hold up as well or not because I haven't kept the factory spring setup in my guns long enough to find out. The HW factory setups just plain twang & vibrate too much for my liking! Regards, wved
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The idea that heavy pellets are bad for springers is something I'm still getting used to. But, I hate to ignore the experience of others.
The Crosman Premier is only available in 14.3 grains in .20 caliber. If I want to shoot CPs in the .20, I have no other choice.
My R1 Laser is the spring version, not the gas ram type. Should I save the CPs for the Sheridan?
Input Appreciated,
John
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In Reply to: Re: Yes, I " got it " ... posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 21:13:57:
I'm currently between headaches. Just got over my
normal 'back from the mountains' headache in time to
get the 'company's coming over' version.
Fioricet works most of the time, but I worry about
taking too much. The usual migraine meds make me
feel punk. Have to be near death to take one.
As ole Huey said: "I want a new drug!"
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In Reply to: Re: Super star mk2 carbine posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 11:46:24:
The carbine isn't on sale but the rifle is.!!!!!Check em anyway, I can't remember the price of the carbine.
Gary
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In Reply to: Electric Pump for PCP Air Rifles posted by Vic Thompson on August 13, 2000 at 13:38:09:
It would be nice if some one could come up with a small electric pump suitable for airrifles. Say the electric version of the Axor pump. Shouldn't be to hard to do. Be nice if it could run 12 VDC from a car lighter or 120 VAC standard wall socket. Of course it would require a safety valve. But you dont really need the power of the scuba tank pumps.
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In Reply to: Re: Super star mk2 carbine posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 11:46:24:
The carbine isn't on sale but the rifle is.!!!!!Check em anyway, I can't remember the price of the carbine.
Gary
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In Reply to: Re: Russ..How do you know what is right??? posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 21:11:17:
Russ,
That's funny. LOL ;-} Can't say I've ever had that problem. (yea right)
I will look but I'm not on Anything Go's what is that URL? If you think of it will you let me know or post it?
Thanks Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Cool Crosman posted by Tom B on August 13, 2000 at 20:57:22:
What did he charge ya Tom?
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In Reply to: Re: BSA Supersport Shooting 6-8 inches higher? posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 20:20:50:
CHECK THE STOCK SCREWS ROR TIGHTNESS.......MINE SHOOTS HIGH WHEN THEY GET LOOSE HTH RJK
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In Reply to: Re: Anti-Gun Laws in US. Any comments or concerns???? posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 13, 2000 at 15:43:45:
Self-defense is the only reason we still own guns. When that right goes away, so will the guns. People who think that sports or hunting is enough reason for society to tolerate guns should rethink the issue. How many people will tolerate something that they consider dangerous just so a few people can keep having fun?
Airguns are certain to be heavily regulated just as soon as firearms become hard to get legally--especially now that there are airguns that equal the performance of lower-powered firearms.
Bottom line is--if you enjoy shooting sports, you had better stand up for all gun owners. The dollars you send to organizations like the NRA are really spent to ensure that you can continue your particular pursuit of happiness. We are already seeing regulations which restrict guns specifically made for self-defense. It's not too hard to see that once laws make self-defense guns illegal, it's going to be impossible to justify sporting firearms.
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In Reply to: Re: FT group sizes posted by Wade on August 13, 2000 at 18:57:51:
Thank you very much, This was what I was looking for.
Art
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In Reply to: You're just a big ol' WUSS Willie, you know that? [GRIN!] posted by Uncle Gary on August 13, 2000 at 13:29:12:
Unc,
I know the 48 can't compare with Nordic Trak or
Bow Flex, but if you get one and the Mike P. and
Richard Simmons video "Sweatin and Shootin with
the Oldies," I bet you look like Swartzenager before
you can say "Shriver"....or "Chappaquiddick"(sp).
You know our Commander in Chief is a rank amateur
compared to Ted K.
Would you be more comfortable if I said "Charles
Atlas"? (Heh Heh)
bearridge
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In Reply to: Re: Are Prometheus pellets any good? The ones in plastic... (nt) posted by TerrD on August 13, 2000 at 10:12:16:
They probably don't provide enough back pressure for springers. In addition, all of the comments I have heard about Prometheus pellets' accuracy were decidedly negative.
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In Reply to: How many hours does the Daisy Electronic Point sight last before batt. must be rep.? posted by Crane on August 13, 2000 at 20:53:23:
I never timed one, but it sure isn't real long. In contrast, my TF=96 and BSA Red Dot batteries seem to be good for about 1500 hours each. RB
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In Reply to: Hello everyone I am back home.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 13, 2000 at 12:50:46:
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In Reply to: Splats posted by Dave N on August 13, 2000 at 11:30:35:
The extra energy goes into smashing the pellet into tiny pieces. Take a hammer and try to smash a pellet in the same way that the impact did and you will get an appreciation for what footpounds are.
To get the plate to move 1 foot (i.e. transfer 100 percent of the energy to the plate) neither the pellet or the plate could deform, and the pellet could not rebound at all since any of those things absorb energy.
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In Reply to: Yes, I " got it " ... posted by bcd on August 13, 2000 at 21:10:32:
I hear you there!. Been fighting a massive headache all day, plus it's been raining---- which keeps me cooped up when I should be out shooting. RB
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In Reply to: Theoben Taunus or Sirroco 2000 ? posted by Gary on August 12, 2000 at 21:08:35:
I've owned a Theoben Sirroco since Sept. 1988. Works great,
and it is very accurate. It perfers the heavier pellets.
Currently Cro-Magnums rule. It is a .177 and it
certainly has proven itself in the past 12 years...
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In Reply to: Russ..How do you know what is right??? posted by Gary on August 13, 2000 at 21:05:06:
Gary: I've posted the 'proper weights' just this week, for each caliber class. I just can't recall where I posted them ! Maybe here, maybe Straightshooters, maybe Anything Goes.. RB
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In Reply to: Re: The Illusive One Shot Group posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 19:51:24:
... it was my feeble attempt at humor:
- How to measure a one shot group (tsk tsk)
- That maybe a different kind of paper would help
Well, it was funny to me!
Akin to the electronikers' "Write Only Memory".
Guess it was too far out, huh? Guess who's not
looking forward to going back to work tomorrow.
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In Reply to: Beeman R9 posted by Pepi on August 13, 2000 at 21:02:03:
Barrel droop is manufactured into the gun. It's not something modern breakbarrels develop over time unless the gun is REALLY worn out. Proper maintenance will prevent this from happening. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Pellet mass/squirrelswarranties posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 20:03:35:
Russ
Is there some way I can figure what weight is best for my airguns? Is there some kinda formula dealing with caliber or somethin? I guess with pumpers it doesn't make much difference but I have both an R9 .20 and a SuperStar in .22. Where should I be weight wise for pellets for performance and spring life?
Gary
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Will a Beeman R9 get barrel droop over a period of time?
Thanks
Pepi
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In Reply to: Re: And your point is? (nt) posted by Jim Baumann on August 13, 2000 at 18:16:38:
I "here" what you are saying. And I agree, regarding the terminal affect on any given medium (animal).
However, like Mr.P said, for a basis of pellet comparison, a consistant test medium is the best place to start.
I wouldn't be surprised if the pellet with the best deformation in a given test medium, would also give the best deformation (although maybe not to the same degree)in any number of game species.
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In Reply to: Chronograph posted by Keith on August 13, 2000 at 18:40:46:
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In Reply to: Cool Crosman posted by Quack on August 13, 2000 at 20:45:29:
heheheh
I ordered one from him on saturday Paul
Jeff is one heck of a good guy too
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How many hours does the Daisy Electronic Point sight last before batt. must be replaced?
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In Reply to: A Christmas Story (the movie)........ posted by Troy on August 13, 2000 at 17:46:31:
Be careful, you might shoot your eye out kid!!
;o)
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In Reply to: Re: Better solution!!! posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 20:43:48:
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Mr Pierson, you weren't kidding about Mr Wolgast's ability with the 2200W mods. I checked out his little hunter at the Swartz Creek gun show today and it was a real keeper. 590 fps with Premiers with only 8 pumps. I especially liked the trigger on the gun. Now all I have to do is convince the wife I need one, haha. Thanks for letting me know about him, I really appreciate it. Later, Paul in MI
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In Reply to: they are 4mm posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 20:29:26:
I'll have to get another set or try another wrench. The 4mm I have will go into the head but there is a bit of slop. If I crank on it I will slip. Somethin ain't right.
Thanks Russ
Gary
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In Reply to: Better solution!!! posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 20:39:40:
I might be getting one in FEB. :-) Look out
birds n squirrels! HEHEHE...
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In Reply to: Re: chamber oils posted by steve on August 13, 2000 at 18:21:18:
OK- the diana guns (RWS) are notoriously dry inside. Not really factory lubed at all. What these guns need is a professional tune or at the very least a pro lube job; then the chamber oil will be a moot point. Unfortunately, using chamber oil is not going to lube the guns internals to any degree, beyond the piston head. Why don't they lube their guns? because they feel that the lubes may detract from the velocity. Some lubes (albeit expensive ones) will actually bring the velocity up- but then it'll cost them more per gun. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Solution!!! posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 20:31:23:
The model 48 will be even better!!! Yes, yes, get one as soon as you can find the cash!!! You will love it--don't let anyone tell you any differently!!! The weight, recoil and cocking effort will be no problem for you!!! Pay no attention to any of these experienced shooters who counsel you against it, what do they know anyway!!!
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In Reply to: Can someone with an IZH-61 Measure the diameter of the barrel for me? posted by Steve T on August 13, 2000 at 12:15:57:
They vary somewhat from gun to gun. I don't think the russians considered it to be a critical dimension. RB
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In Reply to: Solution!!! posted by John Sa. on August 13, 2000 at 19:37:04:
WOW! YOU TOLD ME TO GET A MODEL 54! MOST PEOPLE I
ASK SAY IT'S TO BIG AND TO HARD TO COCK. There's 1
problem ;-( I can't afford a Model 54. I can
afford a Model 48 though. Used. If I could find a
Model 54 used in mint condition fo $200 I would
absoluteley buy it. Could I get a Model 48 instead
? Are they acurate at 50 yards? Can they shoot 1/2''
groups at 50 yards? THANKS! :-)
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In Reply to: Re: 5030M mounts hex wrench posted by Gary on August 13, 2000 at 20:17:00:
Gary: don't know what to tell you. All my 5030M and 5030H's are 4mm. Have you closely examined the ends of your wrench? maybe something is wrong there? RB
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In Reply to: A Christmas Story (the movie)........ posted by Troy on August 13, 2000 at 17:46:31:
If you like old mystery movies, (1940 -50s) there are 3 or 4 Charlie Chan movies that the murder weapon turns out to be a ''silent spring gun''. There is also a Sherlock Holmes (Basil Rathbone) movie that the murder instrument turns out to be a gas (co2) powered gun. I don't remember the names of the movies but I've seen them all on the AMC channel.
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In Reply to: BSA Supersport Shooting 6-8 inches higher? posted by Pat on August 13, 2000 at 20:13:59:
Pat: there must be some good reason for this. Has the gun been dropped or banged in any way since the last time you shot it? Are there household members who may have neglected to tell you this? Have you changed pellets recently? Is the gun acting OK when fired ?(firing cycle feels funny?). Has anyone else used the gun and made their own adjustments? Is the scope still mounted properly? At what distance were you shooting previously? Is it the same distance you just shot at? Are you shooting from a hard rest this time and a soft rest last time? RB
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In Reply to: Re: 5030M mounts hex wrench posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 19:56:54:
It's one of those fold out types with a few sizes in the handle. It only has one side. The 4mm will go into the slot but it's to small to put any pressure on it. The 5mm is just to big. I am talkin about the "cap screws" that hold the base and rings to the rifle.
Gary
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In Reply to: A Christmas Story (the movie)........ posted by Troy on August 13, 2000 at 17:46:31:
Men at Work, as steve said, where charlie sheen shoots a guy in the but with a Crosman 2200 Magnum, and "Rushmore", where max shoots the Scotish kid in the ear with a Benjamin Pellet rifle.
-good viewing-
john
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Hi
I was just wondering if anyone out there knew what if any games will be covered by the news media( probably not any considering how politically incorrect it is ). I just was thinking of all the games that go on including Archery that I would like to see, but won't due to their lack of support or small interest group. Also was wondering if any special interest group was going to video any of these? I would like to see some one offer these special tapes with coverage of the atheletes and their gear as well as the actual events. I suppose this is not realistic. Any way ! Just some food for thought.
Len
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my sons want to get into air rifle comp. what would be a good rifle to start out with?also is there competition in the nebraska area?
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In Reply to: and where is Mr. Bulk's webpage? URL? Thanks n/t posted by douglas on August 13, 2000 at 19:56:30:
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On my latest shooting outing my SuperSport would constantly put pellets well above the target. Even after drastic elevation adjustments the pellte continued to hit very high. I am very confused and would like anyone theory on why this is happening. Thanks.
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In Reply to: Re: TX 200 is far better. posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 20:00:59:
Turkeys generally require a headshot from an airgun, so you need to do a lot of practicing to sharpen your aim. The gun can make 16 to 17 fpe, depending on the pellet weight used. New ones can cost $450, but you need to research that. Call Airguns of Arizona or Pomona Airguns for pricing- or visit their websites. Don't know whether it'll go thru the plywood or not at 20 yards. It might with a hard pellet like a Premier. RB
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In Reply to: Pellet mass/squirrelswarranties posted by Sid Edgewater on August 13, 2000 at 19:49:11:
CP's in a .22 model 54 would (or should) do quite well at 50 yards. No need to go any heavier, although Beeman FTS's may do pretty well, and they are slightly heavier. Heavier springs can mean heavier cocking effort and recoil, so that question should be best answered by the german engineers who designed the gun. RB
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In Reply to: Career 9mm questions posted by matt sudol on August 13, 2000 at 18:39:54:
Most all States have a caliber/foot pound limits on
legal game, and your 9mm does not fit the bill for
Deer. The squirrel, rabbit and Coon are game animals, too
and is not a varmint which can be legally taken out
of season!
The other varmint you mentioned would be well
suited for the Career.
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In Reply to: Re: TX 200 is far better. posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 19:45:10:
How much fpe does the .22 TX200 shoot? Could I take
turkeys with it? Could it shoot through 7/16 in.
plywood at 20 yards? How much would a new one in
.22 cost? Where could I get one?
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In Reply to: Can someone with an IZH-61 Measure the diameter of the barrel for me? posted by Steve T on August 13, 2000 at 12:15:57:
Steve: Mine tapers from 0.5136 at the breech to 0.5113 and the muzzle. The taper appears to be relatively uniform. Your milage may vary...
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Re: 5030M mounts hex wrench posted by Gary on August 13, 2000 at 19:49:51:
It's not a Beeman tool. These are made by Sportsmatch in the UK. If 4mm didn't fit, perhaps there are burrs on your wrench end or in the screw head? Did you try both ends of the wrench? RB
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In Reply to: R gunn's web page ? url? n/t posted by douglas on August 13, 2000 at 19:36:38:
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In Reply to: The Illusive One Shot Group posted by bcd on August 13, 2000 at 17:45:56:
BCD: you didn't get it yet, eh? A one shot 'group' is a single shot in a target! It's a joke we use around here once in a while. What Cody is referring to is multiple shots through a single hole (which is true match winning accuracy), but his phraseology was incorrect. RB
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In Reply to: Re: 5030M mounts hex wrench posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 16:44:15:
Russ
I checked the 4mm and it's to small and the 5mm is to big. I then went to sae. The 3/16 is to big and the 5/32 is to small. I guess it must be a Beeman tool? What do ya think?
Gary
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I read in the Straight Shooters chat room RBest's reply about pellet weight and warranties.Yesterday I asked here about pellet weight and the lack of manufacturers warnings - got some good info.I am shooting an entry level Beeman .177 now and would like a magnum recoilless like the RWS54 in 22. I often shoot 45-60 yard shots at ground squirrels(and get a surprising number of hits/kills). In order to deliver the power to the target I have been shooting Kodiaks in 177(one tin of 500).This leads me to several questions:have I done much damage to my spring in the Beeman S1?Will a medium weight pellet like a CP or a Ram Jet(from a 22 cal. 54) deliver the power needed for ground squirrels shot from a 54 out that far?Will those companies back peddle on their warranties if the the springs break prematurely due to shooting too heavy of a pellet?Just how quick can a spring get pooped when shooting heavy pellets?Since their are so many heavy pellets available nowadays,why don't the companies spend a couple of extra Duetsch Marks on thicker springs?I thought the Europeans were into over engineering anyway.
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In Reply to: Re: TX 200 is far better. posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 19:21:30:
Yes- and it's quite accurate even then, although it's most famous for it's accuracy in .177. It's also not as powerful as the 48. RB
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In Reply to: Need info of Daystate HH146 posted by Mike G on August 13, 2000 at 14:36:19:
Not sure what you have with the description (or lack
of) that you gave as I am not farmiliar with the number
you gave, either. It was probably made in the early 80's
and is an early version of the Huntsman. Does it have a
round receiver with a dished out area at the loading
port with a knurreled cocking knob.
There was another gun of that era that I can't recall
the name just now, but in any case the price would be
hard to determine without seeing it or without a better
description. The price range could be from [junk] to
upwards of a $1000.
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In Reply to: Re: Chronograph posted by Keith on August 13, 2000 at 19:26:55:
The URL is below however I must tell you that his website has not been updated in a while so it is best to call Davis at (607) 734-7340 and I would not waste my time emailing either. Phone is the best way. I believe he is in New York and he is a real nice guy.
And I have found that I can fit it on most guns.
In Reply to: Re: Questions for TAU-7 owners posted by Rada(EAP) on August 13, 2000 at 15:17:21:
What kind of accuracy can be expected at 20 yards with a TAU-7 in .177? Good enough for Silhouette?
I plan on using the gun for 10 meter target shooting in the winter so I prefer to stick with .177 caliber.
Is it possible to have a "quick change" system with 2 barrels(.177 and .22)? Cost?
Thanks,
Todd
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In Reply to: R gunn's web page ? url? n/t posted by douglas on August 13, 2000 at 19:36:38:
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In Reply to: Thoughts on adequate accuracy for plinking at 15 m posted by Crane on August 13, 2000 at 18:52:44:
Dr. Joe is about right. I'd like to see a plinking gun do a quarter sized 5 shot group at 15M (an inch or so). But then, I'm kinda fussy too. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Questions for TAU-7 owners posted by Rada(EAP) on August 13, 2000 at 15:17:21:
What kind of accuracy can be expected at 20 yards with a TAU-7 in .177? Good enough for Silhouette?
I plan on using the gun for 10 meter target shooting in the winter so I prefer to stick with .177 caliber.
Is it possible to have a "quick change" system with 2 barrels(.177 and .22)? Cost?
Thanks,
Todd
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In Reply to: anybody try the new RWS 350 Mag yet...(nt) posted by Pel-It on August 12, 2000 at 15:18:20:
as # HA-22-3538 on page 524.
use the " SHOP BY CATALOG ITEM # " on url
In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
If I were you, I think I'd go with a springer, an RWS 54 in specific. I've heard that they aren't that difficult to cock--you should be able to handle it. Also, it is recoilless so that takes care of that problem.
Don't listen to those who tell you that it's not a good fit for you, they only wish to deny you the intense pleasure that this, and only this, airgun can bring you.
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In Reply to: Chronograph posted by Keith on August 13, 2000 at 18:40:46:
I have had good luck with my PACT basic model I got from Midway several years ago. Cost now is about $150 and has a lifetime gaurantee.
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In Reply to: Re: And your point is? (nt) posted by Jim Baumann on August 13, 2000 at 18:16:38:
You're right Jim. The use of test mediums for terminal performance is highly misunderstood IMO. Sometimes a shooter will shoot into a medium and get good expansion and expect that same expansion on small game. My experience has been that if you want to know how a pellet expands in a squirrel or a rabbit with a particular gun, then shoot a squirrel or rabbit with that pellet out of that gun and find out first-hand.
However, if you want to know how a pellet will do compared to a KNOWN performer, you can then at that point use a test medium as a BENCHMARK of pellet performance. Again, the performance on the test medium may or may not be indicative of the performance said pellet will get on game BUT it will serve as a benchmark for comparison. A pellet that performs consistently on game will cause a a certain amount of damage to a given test medium (regardless if it expands or not in the game). If I test another pellet that causes that same damage in the same medium (using the same gun at ranges where good performance was found with the star performer), then I have a pretty good idea of what to expect in the field. ---- Mr.P
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In Reply to: where to get tung oil in the UK? posted by Hans on August 13, 2000 at 11:29:28:
Tung oil is often used to finish "real" butcherblock countertops and cutting boards. A good kitchen utensil shop may have tung oil for refinishing the cutting boards.
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In Reply to: Re: Chronograph posted by Sammy on August 13, 2000 at 19:04:42:
What is url for where you bought it? Is it in US?
Will it fit on most guns?
Thanks
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
THAT'S why people keep talking about Benjamins and Sheridans. Three pumps is enough for plinking. (Come on, guys, a little workout never hurt anyone!) It's less than six pounds, and it will last forever, if properly maintained. It has the PCP advantage of little or no recoil and is more forgiving with hold technique than springers are.
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In Reply to: Re: what is a blue yugo??? posted by john from NY on August 12, 2000 at 23:45:21:
That's a new price. Used, they go for a bit less. Quite a bit less. Actually, it's probably cheaper to park it in the woods than to take out an ad in the paper and sell it.
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In Reply to: TX 200 is far better. posted by GF on August 13, 2000 at 19:07:05:
Does the TX 200 come in .22 cal?
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In Reply to: Re: SURVEY: Damage posted by Pepi on August 12, 2000 at 15:23:11:
I used to know a fellow who removed one of his eyes with a BB gun.
Worst I ever did was break a window. BB ricochet. I was glad it missed me and didn't mind replacing the window. I got the materials and had it mostly finished before dad got home. Another reason I don't shoot BBs much anymore.
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In Reply to: Firearm bullets in airguns? posted by Dimitris on August 13, 2000 at 08:26:36:
Those are Eley "bullets" Number 2 which are net exactly like the eley bullets that you find in .22 rimfire bullets or on top of "centerfire rounds. The Eleys bullets in that tin are slightly smaller then the Eley rimfire bullets and they do not have the "expanded base, nor do they have any "gas checks" of sorts. The Eley rimfire "bullets" are 41 and 43 grains and some of that extra weight is in the added diameter as well as length. Also the coating on the real "bullets" are a bit different.
Regards.
Craig
In Reply to: Re: Electric Pump for PCP Air Rifles posted by Lloyd on August 13, 2000 at 19:18:55:
Sorry about that
www.syphers.com
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In Reply to: Electric Pump for PCP Air Rifles posted by Vic Thompson on August 13, 2000 at 13:38:09:
Try here. I have one of the small electric pumps and it works great. He also has the same unit with a gas motor.
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In Reply to: Re: yeah , Right nt posted by Mustapha on August 12, 2000 at 21:57:51:
Gun Owners of America. No compromises.
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In Reply to: Chronograph posted by Keith on August 13, 2000 at 18:40:46:
Keith, The Oehler 35P is considered one of the best by many (345$). The Shooting Chrony is another good one (200$ with remote and printer). I would recomend the remote and printer, that way you just mark your printout with info and have a record. PACT is also suspose to be good. Here are some urls to their pages.
PACT, http://www.pact.com/
Shooting Chrony, http://www.pathcom.com/~chrony/homepage.html#list
In Reply to: Re: Price posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 15:05:36:
No, you must have misunderstood my earlier posts, I think that the 54 is the gun for you. Please don't disappoint me by purchasing something else.
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In Reply to: Re: Not illegal in the US. Just payt the $200.00 tax posted by Mustapha on August 12, 2000 at 20:51:34:
If you are building a silencers they are actually considered to be firearm in and of themselves and as such are thus illegal to possess unless you have paid the tax. If you are interested in this sort of thing log on to the BATFs web site and read all the FAQs for youself. You can get the applications forms there too.
In Reply to: Targets posted by Mike Lee on August 12, 2000 at 13:13:29:
Criteria for determining which animals to shoot:
1. Is it legal?
2. If yes to 1, then does it make sense?
3. If yes to 1&2, then do you have a reason to?
4. If yes to 1,2,& 3, then do you have the equipment to kill it humanely with a single shot?
5. If yes to 1,2,3,&4, then do you have the skill to use the equipment to kill humanely with a single shot.
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In Reply to: accurate posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 14:17:31:
These rifles might be in the same price range but they are not even in the same class accuracy wise. The TX200 is far superior.
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In Reply to: Chronograph posted by Keith on August 13, 2000 at 18:40:46:
I like my Combro cb-625 a lot. It is very easy to use. It attaches to the end of the barrel. I bought mine from ARS for 69.00. I also bought a reconditioned F-1 Shooting Chrony for 50.00 but it seems to be a lot more light sensitive and takes a little time to set up. To be honest I don't even use the F-1 unless it is impossible for me to mount the cb-625 on the barrel of the particular airgun I am shooting. They are both good products for the money. Good luck.
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In Reply to: Thoughts on adequate accuracy for plinking at 15 m posted by Crane on August 13, 2000 at 18:52:44:
I assume you mean plinking at coke cans and the like. I have heard of some speak about a "minute of coke can" accuracy. Somewhere about 1" to 1.5" at that distance appears to be right. I have a IZH-61 and easily hit a coke can about every shot out to 20-25 yards with the peep sights (SS3 sold). I have a Umarex Baretta with a red dot scope and hit a coke can at 20 yards about 70% of the time. I have a record 1 (low powered very cheap, fixed sights) and hit a coke can about 50% at 15 yards. I have a Crosman 1077 with the supplied red dot scope and hit a coke can about 90+% at 20-25 yards.
In other words, at that distance it doesn't take much. You would want the CTC to be about half to 3/4th the width fo the intended target.
In Reply to: Re: Dogs posted by Ian on August 13, 2000 at 13:57:42:
Anytime you have to call authorities regarding an animal, you MUST follow up to ensure that the owners are prosecuted. After having several run-ins with a particular pet owner at a past residence, I asked animal control how the owner could continue to pay the fines required to reclaim the animal. They stated that they normally waived all fines and penalties unless there was a specific complaint or a request not to do so by a concerned party.
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In Reply to: FT group sizes posted by Art on August 13, 2000 at 18:44:41:
The AFFTA handbook suggests that a course set up for
expert shooters - target max range are as follows:
3/8" to 20 yards
1/2" to 30 yds
3/4" to 40 yds
1" to 50 yds
1+" from 51 to 55 yds.
These are not "rules" but are suggested under the
guidelines.
I practice mainly on 3/4" at 50 yards, so that the
1" in a match doesn't look so small.
Wade
AAFTA Sec./Treas.
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In Reply to: Re: Extremely valuable 'ruger i thing'!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by Art on August 12, 2000 at 23:07:45:
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In Reply to: Can someone with an IZH-61 Measure the diameter of the barrel for me? posted by Steve T on August 13, 2000 at 12:15:57:
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yup, what kind of c-t-c accuracy would you recommend for plinking at 15 m?
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In Reply to: Hunting lasers ?... posted by Albert on August 13, 2000 at 17:11:34:
I believe they are illegal for hunting in TX, probably elsewhere too...
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In Reply to: Targets posted by John Sa. on August 12, 2000 at 08:48:46:
a large circular disk of chalk. BIodegradable and really cool when hit!
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How Good of groups at 50 yards do you need to shoot in FT matches with a PCP. Such as a CR97.
In your respones please indicate if groups are CTC or Outside diameter.
Art
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What is a good brand of Chronograph to buy?
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I am only a phone call away from ordering one of these fine guns. I looked at the .22 and .25 caliber as well a farco airshotgun all appeared to be nice guns but proved not so hot in the feild for my style of hunting. In my "world" there is no such thing as overkill so I won't think twice about shooting a rabbit or squirrel with a 92 grain 9mm pellet doing 950 on a good day so I have pulled out all the stops and settled on this one for some good varmint shooting. I like to raccoon , possom and other varmint hunt so this gun fits the bill for 75+ yards. Is there anything to watch out for? I am ordering this from air-rifles.com . Will this gun take a deer at reasonable range? My 12 and slug can take them at 150 no problem. Thanks, Matt Sudol
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In Reply to: Gamo pistols posted by Jason on August 13, 2000 at 15:16:20:
Ive heard that the p23 is much more accurate than the auto 45 (.4" ctc vs .8" ctc). Other than that i know little about this glock clone. OH can u plz tell me the pros and cons you heard about the p23 PLZ!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: Best Gun for under $100 posted by shooter on August 12, 2000 at 19:56:19:
The Daisy 717 or 747 are both excellent single-stroke pnuematic guns for under $100. D&R has the 717 for $54 and the 747 for $94. Not powerful airguns, but very accurate. The 747 has a better barrel and trigger, both use the same powerplant.
The Crosman 2240, 1740 and 2250 are all well under $100 ($56 and less at D&R Sports). These are all CO2 powered single shots that hit hard and are quite accurate for the price tag. The 2250 "rifle" with a set of 2240 grips will make a 14" barreled pistol with a bit of punch.
The tuned 2240 from Mac1 would be an excellent choice.
The Crosman 1377 and 1322 are both great pump-up pnuematic pistols....also quite accurate. These will run anywhere from $20 (for a reconditioned one) to $50 new.
The Sheridan pistol line is good also....bordering around $100.
You can also find things like the Gamo Compact under $100 if you look around. Lots of good used guns out there.
Honestly, I would not recommend something like the Gamo P23 or 45 if it's your only gun. These have rather short barrels and double-action only trigger mechanisms. Not conducive to the best accuracy. Less than 1/2" groups at 10 meters? If you are very lucky I suppose. I could never come close to that at 6 meters with my P23....I did shoot it in the POS Pistol Match once though. The are fun to shoot though and do look cool.
If you like rapid fire guns that are still fairly accurate, look at the Daisy 45, the Crosman 357 series or "auto-clones" like the Crosman 1008, C40, or Ck92. All very good CO2 powered repeaters in .177 caliber pellet. All fire both double or single action.
Some of my favorite shooters are the old Crosman revolvers. I love the 38T!!! And the 38C with the shorter barrel is fun also. I also enjoy the 44 Peacemaker in .22 caliber.
Watch the auctions or Brad's classifieds.....you'll see these all the time for less than $60 in good condition. I just got a resealed 38T for less than half a hundred from Bryan & Associates in .22 caliber...what a shooter!
Lots of choices.....but I'd advise staying away from the BB repeaters which also shoot pellets. You'll soon wich you had something else probably.
hth, Jack
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In Reply to: Re: chamber oils posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 16:33:54:
RWS 34, and i might get a supersport soon too.
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In Reply to: Re: Recoilless logic? posted by Mike Pearson on August 12, 2000 at 13:46:41:
But BEFORE you take that next shot, with a recoilless gun that also maintains a good sight picture, you'll be able to see the pellet hit the target... or the grass next to it. And on distances over 30 yards, with a REALLY good gun and scope, you'll even be able to see the pellet fly if conditions are favourable. A 54 or a TX200SR is not going to pull that off.
If there's one way to be able to compensate for the next shot, that is it.
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In Reply to: And your point is? (nt) posted by RGunn on August 13, 2000 at 14:50:52:
While I have used Plumers putty myself as a test materal; I really don't think that it gives any real view of expansion of pellets on anything else execpt the putty, and putting it on the floor tends to make it unable to move, or roll with the impact.
As Russ pointed out, velocity has a great deal to do with expansion, and the softer the tissue, like birds, the less likely it is to happen.
This does not mean that hollow point, or flat nosed pellets won't deliver more energy to a soft target than pointed, or round nosed pellets.
After all, they cut better holes in paper, don't they?
Jim
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In Reply to: A Christmas Story (the movie)........ posted by Troy on August 13, 2000 at 17:46:31:
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In Reply to: Re: The TX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 16:32:21:
Will the RWS Model 48 in .22 cal. shoot tiny
multiple shot groups at 20 yards?
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In Reply to: Loading Variants posted by Zero on August 13, 2000 at 15:45:03:
HEHEHE...I tried the shotgun thingy. Wotked GREAT!
Got my first bird with the gun tonight.It was a
Daisy 880 open sights pellet gun. :-)
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In Reply to: Re: Splats posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 16:54:52:
Whoops, sorry!
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In Reply to: Re: Splats posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 16:54:52:
Pellet of choice is the Crosman Super Match in .177 cal, and the Crosman .22 Wadcutter, these two produce the most enjoyable "whack at the POI. Pointed Daisys are barely audible in comparison, Daisy,and Gamo match .22's are delightfully athouratitive in their report , But the Crosmans win hands down for noise. In reality the .22 Daisy field pellets smash flat or explode as fired from my 24" barrel 2240, a testament to their veloicity, and to the fact that the pointed center pushes thru the skirt on impact with a bone ,creating super mushrooming.
Various pellets such as Beeman laser .177& .22 are good mushroomers Crosman points are about the same splat as w/c's, Crosman domes.177,.20,.22 and Premiers both calibers fare the same, and the.177 Benjamin's deform unusually hard,even though they LOOK like the Premiers(?).
I usually stick to the CrosmanW/C's though.
Where'd the power go? You guess...
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In Reply to: Re: Splats posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 16:54:52:
Pellet of choice is the Crosman Super Match in .177 cal, and the Crosman .22 Wadcutter, these two produce the most enjoyable "whack at the POI. Pointed Daisys are barely audible in comparison, Daisy,and Gamo match .22's are delightfully athouratitive in their report , But the Crosmans win hands down for noise. In reality the .22 Daisy field pellets smash flat or explode as fired from my 24" barrel 2240, a testament to their veloicity, and to the fact that the pointed center pushes thru the skirt on impact with a bone ,creating super mushrooming.
Various pellets such as Beeman laser .177& .22 are good mushroomers Crosman points are about the same splat as w/c's, Crosman domes.177,.20,.22 and Premiers both calibers fare the same, and the.177 Benjamin's deform unusually hard,even though they LOOK like the Premiers(?).
I usually stick to the CrosmanW/C's though.
Where'd the power go? You guess...
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In Reply to: BSA Air Rifle Scopes posted by James McALLISTER on August 13, 2000 at 13:06:14:
I'll second that emotion unc!!!! :(
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In Reply to: taiyo juki posted by John Forrest on August 13, 2000 at 16:32:35:
john,
if you don't have any luck and would like to sell, just drop me an email.
jo
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I was just wondering if anyone knew of any other movies like this about air guns? "A Christmas Story" has to be my all time fav christmas move, it still makes me chuckle to this day :)
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In Reply to: Re: The TX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 16:32:21:
I've tried this 'one-shot group' stuff myself, but so far haven't been successful. I can't find a gauge capable of making a sufficiently accurate measurement. I'm thinking of changing from paper targets to something else. Any suggestions?
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In Reply to: Splats posted by Dave N on August 13, 2000 at 11:30:35:
Ah, the eternal question, "Where did all the energy go?!"
VS.
"What the heck is a 'foot-pound'?"
Tsk tsk
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In Reply to: Loading Variants posted by Zero on August 13, 2000 at 15:45:03:
Soak that Daisy in transmishun fluid. light it on fire and see how many times you kin shoot it b4 it turns into a mass of molten plastic.
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In Reply to: Re: FX-2000 owners, I need your opinions........ posted by K.B. on August 13, 2000 at 14:58:59:
How loud is the rifle with the BBMF? Compare in % of a standard R9 or similar. Thanks.
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In Reply to: Loading Variants posted by Zero on August 13, 2000 at 15:45:03:
Very many of his remarks could not only cause damage to your airgun, but potentially to you as well!
I assume the above post was a joke. At least I hope it was :-(
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In Reply to: Electric Pump for PCP Air Rifles posted by Vic Thompson on August 13, 2000 at 13:38:09:
It runs about $1250 and runs on 220 volt. I've got one I bought through Alan Z. and it will go up to about 3500 psi with a little tweaking.
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In Reply to: Phun with a pellet gun... posted by Zero on August 13, 2000 at 10:43:03:
Sound barrier ? With 2 pellet colliding ? and newton stuff ? Geez, where have you learnt all your physics ?
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Hi !
Are lasers any good for hunting purposes ? Is it better to combine it with a scope ? And what is the difference between the cheap 40$ Crosman and other ones at 300$+ ? QUality ?
Thanks a lot.
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In Reply to: Electric Pump for PCP Air Rifles posted by Vic Thompson on August 13, 2000 at 13:38:09:
Pick up a diving magazine. They have ads for compressors that are suitable for use. They come in Electric & gas engine power. They are not cheap however.
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In Reply to: Splats posted by Dave N on August 13, 2000 at 11:30:35:
Dave: when talking splatology, you should mention the standard pellet you are using. RB
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In Reply to: Re: The TX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 15:15:41:
Yes the TX is a springer.
Check out Golden Troller for a carbine model in .22 caliber. Price is $440
Click on clickable link below for Carbine.
Cut & paste this for Air Arms home page for all there products.
http://www.air-arms.co.uk/
In Reply to: taiyo juki posted by John Forrest on August 13, 2000 at 16:32:35:
Imported in 60's - 70's, TJ's came in several variants, all using standard 12 gm CO2 (some hold 2 cartridges, one waiting as a spare). Often they're quite accurate shooters. Repairs can be made using Crosman seals, etc. as the internals are pretty much a knock-off of similar-age Crosmans (yours is likely to leak if sitting a long time) HTH
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In Reply to: 5030M mounts hex wrench posted by Gary on August 13, 2000 at 15:50:16:
Gary: the 'claw' screws are 4mm and the screws for the top caps are 3mm (at least last time I checked). RB
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In Reply to: Beeman Super 12 in 22 caliber: Cylinder shot capacity? posted by Sean on August 13, 2000 at 12:21:42:
Depends. The Supertwelve has adjustable power. The higher the power , the less shots. I shoot mine at 980fps. with Crosman Priemers. At this power I get around 50 shots per charge. Most S-12's won't shoot real accurate at this high of a velocity. I got lucky , my gun IS special. Most S-12 owners keep their power ,with this pellet, at around 930 fps. At 930 you will probably get around 60 to 80 useable shots.
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In Reply to: Re: Whoa there, Nellie ! posted by Marco on August 13, 2000 at 13:59:41:
As for the pellets I would tape the box shut and use them as a paperweight. As a general rule you want to avoid pellets that are light or heavy for your caliber. For example in .22 cal 14.5 grains is a good average weight, if you stay within 3 grains above or below that you should be ok. There are several kinds of funky pellets made and you do not want to shoot them in your fine gun. Get some Crosman Premiers or Beeman pellets as they are of the right quality.
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In Reply to: Re: chamber oils posted by steve on August 13, 2000 at 16:07:48:
Steve: what gun are you talking about? RB
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Quite few years ago I inherited a .22 cal.Taiyo Juki air gun.It has sat in the closet from that time to now. It has no co2 bottle and I don't know what size to get or where to get one I understand this is not a very popular air rifle however,I would like to try to put it to use. It seems to be in quite good condition. Any information you may have on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
John Forrest
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In Reply to: Re: The TX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 15:15:41:
Every gun can shoot a one shot group! The TX will shoot tiny multiple shot groups at 20 yards. RB
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In Reply to: Loading Variants posted by Zero on August 13, 2000 at 15:45:03:
Zero: sounds like a good way to louse up the barrel and/or spring. RB
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does anybody have the daisy powerline model 1700 (looks like a glock with a longer barrel)? i saw it on display at a local wal-mart and i am thinking about buying it. any comments?
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In Reply to: Re: chamber oils posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 13:14:40:
So during the life of my synthetic seal gun, should I ever lube the chamber?
Where can I find more information on the proper lubrication/maintenance of the gun?
thanks
Steve
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In Reply to: Benjamin Pump pellet pistol posted by Joe Dan Brown on August 13, 2000 at 14:27:17:
The Model 132 pistol was made from the early 40s until the early 80s. Based on the serial number, yours was made in 1961. Benjamin-Sheridan was bought out by Crosman in the early 1990s. HTH
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Does anyone know the size of the hex wrench needed to loosen the 5030M mount from the base? I can't find mine and I need to adjust the position of the scope. I bought a set of metric hex wrenches and none seem to fit properly. Is this a "Beeman" special size?
Thanks
Gary
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hi, any webley experts out there? i have a pre war jr. in fair condition, it's all there, been resealed, works,but the bluing is rough, it has the black hard rubber grips, with the webley script, was wondering what it may be worth,tia
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In Reply to: Re: Dogs posted by Doc on August 12, 2000 at 23:42:52:
Hey man, hope your dog gets better. Dogs are my favorite kind of pet. Later
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These are all different "shots" my nephew and I have tried on his Daisy 121. Most of these are only useful is special situations, but they're fun nonetheless. Note that most of these will only work with a break-barrel type of gun.
The .177 Guage Shotgun:
Open the barrel and insert one pellet. Use the little allen wrench that you use to adjust your sights to shove the pellet down about 4 inches into the barrel. Now drop 4 or five BB's in the barrel. Cock the gun and close it up. Remember how you used to have trouble hitting birds? Not anymore. The cool part is the pellet keeps the BB's from rolling out, so you can also use it on frogs, snakes, mice, and other fast-moving targets.
The Nailer:
We found out that framing nails fit very nicely into .177 pellet gun barrels. Take a hacksaw and slice of the head of a nail. You want the point, and about 1 inch of the shaft left. Sand it real good so you don't scratch up your rifling too much. Epoxy a piece of kite string onto the non-pointy end of the nail. Good for things that are damn hard to kill, like crows and geese. Not much to write home about in the range department, though.
The Hollow Point:
This one is easy. Ignore what your manual says and insert a pellet backwards. Shoot a pellet the normal way at a hard boiled egg. Watch it leave a little hole. Now shoot one backwards at an egg. Watch it explode! Use pointy pellets for the best accuracy, though any pellet looses its accuracy after 25 yards or so.
The Slug:
Take a SMALL dab of Krazy Glue and glue 3 pellets together, point to skirt. This gives the shot ridiculous knockdown power, but also a much shorter range. And don't get any glue in your barrel.
The Windowbreaker:
Load one pellet normally. Load another into the muzzle of the gun, with the point facing into the barrel. Push it in about an inch with a cleaning rod. Load the muzzle first, genius, and don't cock the gun 'till both pellets are in there. Now fire it into the air. Loud, huh? Fire one into some glass. Can you figure out why it's called The Windowbreaker?
Have you ever done something completely insane with a pellet gun? Share your stories here!
-Zero the Psychotic
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In Reply to: Anti-Gun Laws in US. Any comments or concerns???? posted by Chazzz on August 13, 2000 at 03:27:38:
We have to stay united. I ran a Gunsmithing business for for severasl years and I'm never too amazed at gun owners. Several of my customers were shotgunners, they didn't care when the "assault weapons" were banned. I've had dearhunters make comment about "saturday night specials" when talking of handguns. Now that I'm shooting air rifles I've heard from certain circles that "air rifles are safe...they'll never legislate changes.." Take a look at NJ, NY and CT. I was amazed at the number of customers that weren't NRA members. I'd always ask and I heard numerous replies but the one that made the least amount of sense was, "I was a member but got sick of them asking for money." During the clinton administration we've been vilified and made into second class citizens. The law suits against manufacturers is a lawyer(clinton) way of doing things. They are using the legal system to go after a legally made and sold product. Outrage is what is needed. People tend to go with the flow even though their rights are being attacked. We have to elect Pro-2nd Amendment leaders. If they vote against our wishes throw the bum out! We are empowered but we have to show up at the poles.
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
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In Reply to: Gamo P23's at Wal-Mart... posted by Josh P. on August 12, 2000 at 22:23:21:
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In Reply to: 10 Meter / Silhouette Rifle. Recommendations? posted by dscott on August 12, 2000 at 20:31:38:
The rifle is much harder to recomend since the distance is rather long for a standard 10 meter rifle. (45 yards) Tau-200 can be adjusted to 700 fps or so and has a standard 11 mm rail for scopes. The new Aeron M-41 is the single shot version of the Chameleon with velocity of just under 600 also with a short rail for scope. I think for this game (silhouete) I would recomend something dedicated.
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In Reply to: 6 Meter / Silhouette Pistol. Recommendations? posted by dscott on August 12, 2000 at 20:37:03:
The pistols that we see a lot at our mathes is the Tau-7. Either in .177 or .22. The velocity can be adjusted to flaten the trajectory or economical for target shooting. Prices for the Tau are also easy on walet. Otherwise just about any 10meter pistol will do for the silhouete game since there are few restrictions.
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In Reply to: BSA Air Rifle Scopes posted by James McALLISTER on August 13, 2000 at 13:06:14:
The very best BSA scope, regardless of price, is the 4x32 oa and noa.
I use them on all my air rifles. The variables are not as good optically or as strong.
It is not absolutely assured not to tear up. What is unless you spend muti hunderes or even thousands for a Mil spec scope, but I, as well as many others have good results with them.
In Reply to: Questions for TAU-7 owners posted by TCooper on August 13, 2000 at 02:48:26:
There is a .22 version also that may be better at the 20 yard mark. The .22 will do 500+ with standard weight pellet. And there is a Tau-7S with a imporved trigger mechanism.
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I've heard pros and cons about the gamo p23, but not on the auto 45. Can someone compare them and give me info on both, like range, accuracy, durability, etc. Thank you.
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In Reply to: The TX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 14:29:02:
Is the TX200 a springer? Can it shoot 1 shot groups
at 20 yards? Can a RWS Model 48 shoot 1 shot groups
at 20 yards?
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In Reply to: Urban coyotes posted by Michael A on August 13, 2000 at 12:05:01:
I think they prefer Taco Bell ... based admittedly
on somewhat limited personal observation :-)
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In Reply to: Hope Everyone Here Votes For Bush posted by HG on August 13, 2000 at 15:00:35:
Hey HG I like that Nader idea. Pretty neat. I just hope he stays in the race so for once the 3rd party candidate will hurt the left and not the right.
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In Reply to: Re: yeah , Right nt posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 21:42:44:
The key words there are, "The Clinton administration". Get this bozo out of office and we might actualy see less government intrusion, laws, taxes, ect... I have read all the California laws and Federal laws pertaining to firearms, BBMF and DRD exclusively made for airgun use are truly a gray area, at some point someone will be made the example of and the law will then have meaning regarding airguns. PRay the officer that stops you see's the state or federal law like I do and lets you go.m For now I will enjoy the use of one.
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In Reply to: Re: Effects on " Ecology " posted by Mitch on August 13, 2000 at 07:58:24:
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In Reply to: Peep sights? posted by Pat on August 13, 2000 at 14:32:45:
Also at Golden Toller. Click the link below.
In Reply to: Re: Effects on " Ecology " posted by Mike Pearson on August 13, 2000 at 10:27:40:
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In Reply to: Hello everyone I am back home.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 13, 2000 at 12:50:46:
Marty, that is great news about your mom! I (and the rest of the forum) hopes you have many, many more years, good, happy years with your mom! Perhaps now you can get a peaceful night's sleep (or two) with your mom out of imminent danger! I'll continue to keep her in my prayers though. --- Mike
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In Reply to: Re: Anti-Gun Laws in US. Any comments or concerns???? posted by Sammy on August 13, 2000 at 13:58:17:
He is endorsed by gun rights organizations. If you are a Buchanan voter (like me) vote for Bush to keep Gore out. Ask your spouse to vote for Bush. Deep six your liberal friends by talking up Nader. Steer them right into the swamp by pointing out that Nader best represents the environment and will prevent corporate lobbyists from influencing the public interest.
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Does anybody own a Crosman 782B air rifle? If so, is it accurate and powerful enough to take down a small bird? I'm sort of a beginner, about 6 months, and I'm tired of shooting at targets and want to move onto small game like rabbits, squirrels, and small birds. I read in a description that it had a 21 shot BB magazine. Does that mean that you can blast off 21 shots as fast as you can without reloading? (semi-auto) I know that that's what it means with the five shot pellet clip, but not sure about the BB magazine. And how many shots can you get out of a single C02 cartridge? Any input would be appreciated! Thanx!!!
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In Reply to: FX-2000 owners, I need your opinions........ posted by Derrin on August 12, 2000 at 21:35:42:
I have been shooting the gun a couple of days now and have a good feel fir it. I would say the 8 1/2" BBMF does make the gun a bit heavy, but is still fairly well ballanced at around 8 lbs. This gun is damn accurate at a very good range too. I have the gun shooting around 880 fps and am comfortable that I do need to dial any more power into it. We have serious problems with ground squirels here and easily was getting neck shots from well over 30 yards. With this power in .22 cal the squirels would be blown backwards from the impact. My gun has the walnut stock and it is a good clean stock with clean machined checkering.
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In Reply to: Are Prometheus pellets any good? The ones in plastic... (nt) posted by Marco on August 13, 2000 at 08:50:13:
I HAVE ALWAYS RESERVED A FEW PROMETHEUS PEELETS IN MY POCKETS FOR CERTAIN LARGER VARMINTS TO SHOOT AT. THEY ARE DAMN EFFECTIVE WITH PENETRATION. YOU CAN TRY TO OPEN UP THE VARMINTS SHOT WITH PROMETHEUS AND FIND THAT THE PLASTICS SKIRTS PENETRATE IN A CERTAIN DEPTH AND THE HEAD OF THE PELLETS GOIN MUCH DEEPER, SOMETIMES THE HEAD JUST GOES THROUGH THE VARMINTS. TRY IT OUT AND SEE HOW YOU COMMENT.
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In Reply to: Re: Hollow pellets vs other types posted by Jim Baumman on August 13, 2000 at 12:50:02:
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In Reply to: Re: Anyone coming to the Olympic Games ?? posted by pilkguns on August 13, 2000 at 09:57:13:
Scott: the reports will be much appreciated. Sydney is a fun town, so I hope you get to see some of it. Some years back, the Kings Cross section had a few good nightspots. Hope the weather is good- spring is just about around the corner there. RB
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It is a single shot with a brass air reservoir
any ideas as to age and worth
looks like english walnut stock end of barrel is threaded
with a cap
Thanks Mike
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In Reply to: Peep sights? posted by Pat on August 13, 2000 at 14:32:45:
Natchez Shooters Supply. URL link is below.
In Reply to: Hello everyone I am back home.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 13, 2000 at 12:50:46:
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Where can i get a peep sight for under $50.
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In Reply to: Re: Paul Landrith in Texas nt posted by M. Reames on August 13, 2000 at 14:06:11:
Thanks Mike- I knew I left somebody out. RB
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In Reply to: Benjamin Pump pellet pistol posted by Joe Dan Brown on August 13, 2000 at 14:27:17:
Joe: Benjamin is now part of the Crosman corporation. Contact Crosman of you have any questions(they have a website). RB
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In Reply to: accurate posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 14:17:31:
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I have a Benjamin 22 cal. pump pellet pistol model 132 serial # B51039 that belonged to my grandfather has anyone ever seen one of these or do you have any idea how old it might be? Also, do you know how to reach the Benjamin company? Thanks Joe Dan Brown.
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In Reply to: Re: Theoben Taunus or Sirroco 2000 ? posted by Hans on August 13, 2000 at 09:11:47:
Hans, I have been doing a little research on this rifle as well. Not only is the stock beefed-up, but the aluminum barrel shroud/moderator is thicker. The Original Sirocco stock and barrel shroud both were prone to cracking when the ram was boosted to 15fpe or higher.
This rifle is certainly on my list of possible, "next rifle"!
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Which is more accurate, a RWS Model 48 or a TX200?
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In Reply to: Hello everyone I am back home.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 13, 2000 at 12:50:46:
Glad everything turned out well for you and her Marty !!
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In Reply to: Hello everyone I am back home.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 13, 2000 at 12:50:46:
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In Reply to: Re: Whoa there, Nellie ! posted by Marco on August 13, 2000 at 13:59:41:
Marco:
Russ is correct. Beeman no longer sells RX pumps because they found many consumers were pumping their RX-1 way over the recommended levels. The failure rates are very high when you exceed 24 BAR.
It sounds like you're having fun with the RX-1. To keep it in good working order, I prefer 22 BAR. The power at this level is still in the upper quartile for spring air gun performance and accuracy.
Thanks for your postings and honest thoughts. Russ is our technical expert on this forum and he knows his stuff. I think his advice is sound. He is experienced with a wide range of air rifles.
Tom Jue/ca/usa
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In Reply to: El Gamo 126 Pnuematic Target Rifle posted by DeathDancer on August 13, 2000 at 11:47:06:
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In Reply to: Whoa there, Nellie ! posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 11:58:57:
Hey, I was in NO WAY offensive to you...
But I guess I better get the power on my gun lower, instead of complaining to you...
Thanx for the tip. Anybody else anything to add?
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In Reply to: Anti-Gun Laws in US. Any comments or concerns???? posted by Chazzz on August 13, 2000 at 03:27:38:
My hope is that Bush wins the presidency and that the Republicans keep the House and Senate.
If that occurs I believe that a lot of these foolish laws could be repealed. And it would certainly be 4 years without any additional laws which would be good. I think things in general would get a lot better for gun owners. Just my opinion.
Of course if you live in anti-gun state where the state laws are just as oppressive as the Federal laws or worse it won't do you much good. I am blessed to live in a state in the south where we have virtually no gun laws to abide by except Federal laws.
A Bush administration I believe would also be more prudent in enforcing exisiting gun laws which would keep career criminals off of the street which is all that needs to be done. Generally 90 percent of the violent crime is committed by 10 percent of the criminals.
My fear is what some of the folks posted below when it was brought up about giving George W. an airgun if he wins. Some of them have the attitude that there is no difference between either candidate and they don't trust any politicians. Big mistake. That thinking is what gave us 8 years of the current administration. For those who don't think there was a big difference you should realize that the current administration appointed over half of the Federal Judges who are now on the bench for LIFE. Which is the reason you get some of the most insane decisions coming from the Federal bench.
Even if a consevative pro gun candidate decides for political reasons one day to go along with some stupid anti gun law, always remember that in the big picture there is still a difference between him and his liberal opponent.
You would not believe the number of people I know who constantly gripe and b#$#%, but do nothing on election day except say they could not get to the voting booth or say all of the candidates are the same and it would not have made any difference if I voted. Personally I have voted in every election since I was 18 years old and I am now 41.
Always go to the voting booth. If you don't prefer any candidate, come up with the lesser of 2 evils in your mind and pull the lever. As much as I despise 3rd party candidates because I also blame them for giving us 8 years of the current administration, voting 3rd party is still better than not voting at all.
VOTE!
It is the only way things will change.
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In Reply to: Dogs posted by Doc on August 12, 2000 at 10:14:54:
Yeah, I had to call the police on my neighbors Rottweiler a week ago. It was loose (they had left it on the deck!! =0 ) and hadn't HURT anyone although it threatened me and chased another woman. It is generally a nice dog but is still a guard dog type of breed with guard dog instincts. The police came (they were very nice), picked him up, took him to the shelter and his owners picked him up the next day.
Ian
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In Reply to: Firearm bullets in airguns? posted by Dimitris on August 13, 2000 at 08:26:36:
Per the previous respondents, firearm bullets can work very well in high-powered PCP guns. But for more typical springers or pneumatics in the power range of 5 to 20 foot pounds, there are good reasons for the traditional "diabolo" dumbbell-shaped pellet.
A bullet is basically a cylinder whose entire length contacts the bore of the gun, generating a great deal of drag. The diabolo pellet has only two narrow rings of contact, one at the head and one at the base. With the limited power available to an airgun, the greatly decreased drag of this design is greatly preferable and allows much higher velocities to be achieved.
Diabolo pellets typically have a head diameter that just rides the lands of the rifling (in a ".177" gun, usually .176 or .177), while the skirt diameter is larger in order to seal properly against the rifling grooves (.182 to .186 typically). The larger skirt is especially important in springers, to "grip" the pellet until maximum pressure has built up in front of the piston. This built-in dimensional "customization" is not easily achieved with a cylindrical design.
Finally, the diabolo is inherently stable in flight at airgun velocities for the same reason that an arrow or dart is--most of the weight in front, most of the drag in back. It can be very consistent and accurate even from a smoothbore barrel.
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In Reply to: Re: spring life posted by Cody Dottter on August 13, 2000 at 07:55:56:
Try Jim Maccari. His URL is below. RB
In Reply to: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by Eli on August 13, 2000 at 00:30:27:
now i have an airgun
DO NOT BEG YOUR MOM
show her the benifits of airgunning on this and other sites
if you do get a gun dont put holes in the basement wall like i did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by Eli on August 13, 2000 at 00:30:27:
now i have an airgun
DO NOT BEG YOUR MOM
show her the benifits of airgunning on this and other sites
if you do get a gun dont put holes in the basement wall like i did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: Electric Pump for PCP Air Rifles posted by Vic Thompson on August 13, 2000 at 13:38:09:
Vic: the Typhoon pump is available for $1400 list price. I've heard of pumps selling for as little as $1100, but cannot recall the brand. RB
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In Reply to: 2-stage trigger question posted by Larry on August 13, 2000 at 12:37:52:
2-stage triggers were used on many military guns as a form of safety device, i.e. the gun doesn't go off if the trigger is accidentally bumped, and even a rookie can "feel" the letoff point.
As used in modern target arms, the idea is to give the best possible feel to the letoff point, also you can "pre-load" much of the required pull weight into the first stage, so that the additional pressure required for letoff is small and easily controlled.
That being said, a 2-stage trigger is certainly not a necessity in a hunting/plinking gun; and even a single-stage trigger can give a wonderful feeling of control. I think the best trigger I ever fired was on an old BSA Martini-action falling-block target .22--a very simple single-stage design that's as slick as breaking an icicle.
It's interesting that trigger design is to some extent a regional phenomenon. Germans like 2-stage triggers, thus they are usually seen on German guns (HW, FWB, Anschutz, Walther, Diana)--or on other brands that have to compete with the Germans in the marketplace!
In America and Scandinavia, single-stage triggers are the traditional favorite. Believe it or not, guns like the Webley Tracker are preferred in Sweden to Weihrauchs, in part because their trigger design is considered more durable and more like a firearm.
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Does anyone know of a small compressor suitable for use on PCP Air Rifles. My air bottle always seems to need re-charging, and my Webley pump is too much like hard work. Any suggestions ?
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In Reply to: 500 FPS = weapon in the eyes of the law in Canada. posted by NS Canuck on August 12, 2000 at 10:03:05:
Yes, the NFA is interested in airgunners in Canada.
I have been a member for 3 years now and am proud to say it. $30 per year for a membership is a small price to pay to support shooting sports in Canada.
All shooting sports are under attack and airgunners cannot single themselves out from others. Pistols in Canada are currently being whittled away because not enough shooting enthusiasts are willing to say anything.
I sincerely hope you are a member of the National Firearms Association. They are more than firearms, I assure you. If you are not a member, PLEASE join if you don't want to see another part of our freedom taken away by special interest groups.
Regards,
Dave Krawchuk
Canada
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In Reply to: How good is the Daisy Model 45? posted by Jason on August 13, 2000 at 01:06:52:
I bought one for $50 at k-mart. Seems like a neat little gun. Haven't taken it hunting yet though. Almost got a visit by some guys dressed in black with shooting gear cause I was firing it in my backyard and my panzy neighbor said she was gonna call if I didn't stop. Anyway the gun seems pretty cool in feel, I like the 13 shot mag it comes with as well as the grips, pretty comfortable. It does feel like it would break if dropped. Compared to the 1008 (which I have also) the guys at daisy actually aligned the 2 halves of the gun correctly, unlike the 1008. I'd like to know any other feedback myself.
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In Reply to: Yes posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 13:18:01:
Thanks RB. Ibought them to use on some of my .22 RF rifles, and they are great, but have not had occaision to give them a real shakedown (pun intended) test yet. James
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In Reply to: Re: What's so confusing??? posted by bearridge on August 13, 2000 at 12:43:20:
But you're right, a 48 is a real German Howitzer, no doubt about it! Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Does anyone on here own a beretta made by umerax posted by Miguel on August 13, 2000 at 06:01:28:
Any one experience this?
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In Reply to: Hello everyone I am back home.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 13, 2000 at 12:50:46:
;-)
Unc
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In Reply to: BSA Air Rifle Scopes posted by James McALLISTER on August 13, 2000 at 13:06:14:
:-(
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: RBest posted by Dan on August 13, 2000 at 13:11:08:
Dan: those screws can be coated with Loctite, and then they should stay in place. The williams? Try the URL below. Regards, Russ
In Reply to: BSA Air Rifle Scopes posted by James McALLISTER on August 13, 2000 at 13:06:14:
But- sometimes they don't. The quality is inconsistent, and you are at the mercy of the 'luck of the draw'. You may get a good one and then again, you may not. RB
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In Reply to: chamber oils posted by steve on August 13, 2000 at 03:41:20:
These items were made for leather sealed guns. Guns with synthetic seals require different lubes. If you think that two drops of chamber lube evey few thousand shots is actually helping the gun-- it's not. Those couple drops are burned off pretty quickly via dieseling- probably within a couple hundred shots. So why do they tell you to use it? To SELL you another product! Some factories are now lubing their guns much more effectively when the gun is assembled, and NO lubes are needed at all. Do you see BSA and Air Arms pushing chamber lubes? Defintely not. Why? because the guns have the right lubes in them from Day One. HW is now putting more grease in their new guns, but does Beeman tell you that? Nope- they want to sell chamber oil! Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: RBest posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 13:03:54:
I might have said it wrong. The screws on the rear sight adjustment plate came loose and fell out both times.I hadn't even adjusted them they just came loose. I didn't mean the sight fell off.
I would like to know where i could buy the Williams peep sight.
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In Reply to: Sammy , please read this ........... posted by Derrin on August 13, 2000 at 11:17:26:
OK thanks Derrin. I had ordered another gun from him however I had not discussed the S-310 from him in a while. I just assumed he still had them in stock. Sorry.
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Has anyone had any experence using one on a heavy recoiling rifle, such as an RWS 48/52 in .22 cal? Inother words have they shaken apart yet? Thanks, James
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In Reply to: RBest posted by DAN on August 13, 2000 at 12:44:15:
Dan: I don't know you, but I know BSA's and lots of BSA owners. If the sight has broken twice on you, there's something odd going on. They generally only break when the gun gets dropped. Sometimes, this comes from leaning the gun against something and it falls over, which in essence is shooter error because the gun should not be stored or set aside that way. A $15 to $20 plastic gun case will prevent it from ever happening again. No matter how you look at it, breaking the rearsight off a gun two times indicates carelessness with the gun. In 44 years of shooting, I've never broken off a sight (and some of them were plastic cheapo's too!). RB
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In Reply to: Fun Supply is open B18 is $10 cheaper posted by James Kitching on August 13, 2000 at 09:43:26:
Glad your open again James.
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In Reply to: Are Prometheus pellets any good? The ones in plastic... (nt) posted by Marco on August 13, 2000 at 08:50:13:
nt
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Who's got the best price online for a Beeman Super 12?
Thanks,
Sean
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In Reply to: Re: What's so confusing??? posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 12:28:50:
Most Springers are just as accurate as PCP's.
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In Reply to: There is an alternative called CO2. nt. posted by acet on August 13, 2000 at 12:28:39:
Yeah, you could get a Crosman 2260 with a steroid valve from mac-1 for about $160. Velocity 675 fps in .22. Definitly somthing to look in to.
lotsa luck-
john
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
I have two good choices
The BSA supersport
The Benjamin/Sheridan pump
Both rifles are of good quality and light weight.
They need to be .22 caliber. Both guns would be nice for an 11 yr old shooter or an adult. The B/S pump gun can be souped up by an airgunsmith called Mac-1 later on for serious power. The BSA Supersport is a really nice springer and is my current favorite airgun. If you buy one of the two choices you will never need to buy another airgun. Good luck, HG
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In Reply to: Re: Attention NY airgunners posted by Tom on August 12, 2000 at 21:44:27:
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
Cody-
Not all springers are hard to cock, A Beeman R-7 and HW-30 only require 18 pounds of cocking effort. Although these guns are not that powerful, you can still take pests and possibly small game at close distances with head shots.
Also, The springs won't wear out until after 40,000 shots or so, (According to beeman), and they will probably last even longer.
Good luck-
john
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I just arrived home it is Sunday, the 13th of August, I decided to stay a little longer in KC as my mom had a difficult time coming out of the anesthesia, and they had a hard time getting her body temp back up to normal. (They chill them down to prevent brain damage) The surgery took 12 hours, they had to replace about 6" of her pulmonary artery, and then reattach all the heart arteries that supply blood to the heart. They also repaired the pulmonary valve as well. She is out of intensive care now and on the heart surgical ward. She is starting to do very well, just the chest drain tube remains in, but all I.V.'s have been removed down to the shunts, (so that they can administer I.V. medicine) but no permanent bags any longer. She is still pretty woozy and disoriented. But considering is doing very well at recovery.
Just to let you all know, I received a phone message from Bruce Mercer at Swift, not sure what day he called, but the scopes are in, and should be on their way to me. I will call on Monday to get the date they shipped to me if they have yet, and give you all an update tomorrow on the two new ones and their arrival here at Silver Streak Sports.
Once again thanks everyone for your support, your emails and most especially your prayers. It meant a great deal to me. This is a great bunch of people here on the forum.
God Bless all of you,
Marty,
SSSports
In Reply to: Re: Hollow pellets vs other types posted by Chris Farhi on August 12, 2000 at 22:49:36:
While Ian's stuff is interesting; the last time I shot a small animal, it was not pressed into a ring; nor was it laying on the floor!
Jim
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In Reply to: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by Eli on August 13, 2000 at 00:30:27:
First: Assuming that you have a safe place to shoot, take a gun safety course, and have your mother take it with you!
Second: Plan on getting a gun tha doesn't really look like a real one. Earn the money to buy it.
Third: Only shoot in approved places and use a "silent", duct seal pellet trap.
If you're responsible, and work out a plan for where and when you will shoot, you should be able to get your mother to approve it. You may have to make some concessions to get the approval.
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In Reply to: Re: Problems With BSA SuperSport rear sight! posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 11:37:22:
How are you going to tell me i'm careless with my gun when you dont know me. I take very good care of the gun and have had no problem other than the rear sight. Because i am 15, am I immediatley considered reckless or irresponsible?
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In Reply to: Re: I'm CONFUSED posted by DougWall on August 13, 2000 at 12:35:33:
I'm getting a SuperSport than. It's fairly powerful
can take squirrels. Easy to cock. Comes in .22 cal.
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In Reply to: Re: What's so confusing??? posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 12:28:50:
Cody,
Eleven huh? You wanna be a middle linebacker,
right? You get a 48 and you will have arms like
Popeye and an upper body like Hulk Hogan...unless
you do your shooting from a bench...in which case
you'll just have forarms like Popeye.
Hope you like spinach!
I yam what I yam...but I'm a little tired of
carrying my 48 around.
Good Luck,
bearridge
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In Reply to: ask " ld " posted by vZc® on August 13, 2000 at 09:50:44:
:-)
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In Reply to: Re: What's so confusing??? posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 12:28:50:
Son, if you're only eleven, you can still cock and shoot most break-barrel guns. Why not get an RWS 36 or Beeman R9? If money is a problem (and it usually is for a young person), You can often find a good used one for around $150-$175. If you outgrow it in a couple of years, you can always sell it and get back your money to buy something else. Cheers!
Unc
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Anyone know where a newbie can find information about triggers? In particular, I'd like to know why 2-stage triggers are even used considering the number of complaints I've heard about their adjustability or lack there of.
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In Reply to: Re: Checking for parallax error posted by K. Swicegood on August 13, 2000 at 08:52:43:
The 4x Banner almost certainly had some parallax error in it, and having the scope set to the right distance on the 4x12 does not assure freedom from error either. The 'head bop' method will tell you for sure. RB
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
Cody,
The problem is that your head is in a "Magnum" mentality!
I have a Diana 27 springer in .177 that shoots about 700 fps. Pretty easy to cock, gentle recoil, very accurate, about 25 years with no spring replacement. I also have a Crosman 140, which would be similar to a Benjamin/Sheridan (about $100). Shoots .22 at about 600 fps. You could get a QB-78 (about $80) in .22 that uses CO2 to get maybe 600 fps.
ANY of these types of guns are of decent quality, and are much better suited to an 11 year old than a magnum springer or PCP. Dump the magnumitis and get realistic!
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In Reply to: El Gamo 126 Pnuematic Target Rifle posted by DeathDancer on August 13, 2000 at 11:47:06:
Try Rick Willnecker at Precision Pellet in Pennsylvania. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Firearm bullets in airguns? posted by Tom Gaylord on August 13, 2000 at 10:22:57:
Most .22 cal. pellets have a diameter of .221", many .22 bullets for firearms have a diameter of .224", so like Tom said, they'd be too tight a fit . If in doubt, measure them! Cheers!
UNc
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In Reply to: What's so confusing??? posted by Uncle Gary on August 13, 2000 at 12:19:27:
Some springers are hard to cock like a Crow Magnum
3. And I'm only 11 years old. And I want a RWS Model 48.
They make more recoil than a PCP.Springs wear out
if you leave them cocked.But I won't leave them
cocked anyway. I was going to get a SPRINGER
anyway. But then I heard that PCP'S are very
accurate. But now I'm back to SPRINGERS. I might
get a SPRINGER this FEB.
<:-@
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
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In Reply to: recomend a gun?? posted by Alan Mclean on August 13, 2000 at 11:35:02:
A BSA Supersport if you have under $300 to spend, a HW-77 if you can go up to $400. You'll love either one! Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Anti-Gun Laws in US. Any comments or concerns???? posted by Chazzz on August 13, 2000 at 03:27:38:
Along with AA I support instant check. A card system that would let any sport shop owner know the guns he is selling are going to a responsible person. Beyond the ability of sport shop owners to check their customers there is nothing to support in new gun laws.
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In Reply to: Re: Pop Quiz: What's cheaper? A Tank or a spring? posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 12:13:37:
A spring at $15-$20 is a WHOLE lot cheaper than a SCUBA tank! I've got an old RWS 36 with well over 12,000 rounds throught it; it still has the ORIGINAL spring, and hasn't lost any velocity either. She's a good ol' girl, no doubt about it!
Cheers!
Unc
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How many full power shots are Beeman Super 12 22 caliber owners getting from a full cylinder? Thanks.
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In Reply to: Have you given fishing a thought? (nt) posted by Dave L on August 13, 2000 at 12:14:56:
Yeah I go fishing about every Friday. My biggest fish
was 16 in. :-)
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
Son, you're laboring under a whole bunch of misapprehensions here! Springers hard to cock? Nope! Lots of recoil? Nope! Springs wear out? Not for a long, long time! Cheap to shoot? Yep! Easy and uncomplicated to operate? Yep! Accurate? Yep!
Now let's look at PCP's: Yes, they are very accurate, but they require a lot of auxiliary equipment, and are not for the beginner! You'll need either or SCUBA tank with the proper fittings or an Axsor pump to charge them. Needless to say, these cost extra! Let me tell you something, punping an Axsor 150 times for one charge will wear you out in a hurry, and build wrists and arms like King Kong! Another thing: dealing with high pressure air is not for the beginner, mistakes can cause you serious injury! Think it over a bit before you buy, you can always start with a good springer and then go to PCP later if you want. Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
Start with a quality springer, a BSA Supersport or R-anything; only a few are hard to cock, almost all are powerful enough, reasonably quiet, and very accurate (which is what this all about!) Later you'll likely add other types, etc.
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I need to know what it is. I'm looking into muzzle breaks that will fit. Millimetres or inches.
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
Start with a quality springer, a BSA Supersport or R-anything; only a few are hard to cock, almost all are powerful enough, reasonably quiet, and very accurate (which is what this all about!) Later you'll likely add other types, etc.
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
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In Reply to: Pop Quiz: What's cheaper? A Tank or a spring? posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 12:02:27:
So I should get a springer?
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In Reply to: Re: Not illegal in the US. Just payt the $200.00 tax posted by Mustapha on August 12, 2000 at 20:51:34:
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In Reply to: A Place to Shoot posted by Happy Gardener on August 13, 2000 at 11:59:18:
Exactly right Hap! Many wealthy people have parcels of property here and there they rarely visit; often they'll give you hunting and shooting privileges for being the unofficial caretaker and keeping an eye on their property for them. Keep an out for these opportunities, because they exist virtually everywhere. Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: P.S. Wolves and coyotes fear men, ferals don't posted by bcd on August 13, 2000 at 01:26:59:
....bagels from Starbucks?
LOL
Michael
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In Reply to: I'm CONFUSED posted by Cody Dotter on August 13, 2000 at 11:55:04:
Cody: nothing lasts forever, but a good springer will last for many years if it's properly used. RB
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Getting permission to shoot on a wealthy person's estate is a windfall. There are plenty of wealthy people who build custom houses on large plots and then are almost never home. They like to jet-set and attend to business all over the world. If you provide services to such an estate you have a shot at your own shooting park. The best way to worm into groundskeeper status is to cozy up to the owner, not merely provide the service and split. Let him know you provide provide periodic inspections for busy owners. There is no better place to hunt small game than a manicured estate where the electric gate closes behind you. Your vehicle is not parked in public and the whole 40 acres is yours.
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In Reply to: Re: RX-1 / HW90 operating pressure posted by Marco on August 13, 2000 at 08:36:40:
Marco: what you've done is precisely the reason Beeman no longer sells the pumps. The customers felt that they knew better than the manufacturer, and would over pump the ram, and ruin the gun. Please drop your pressure back down. 22 bar is NOT too low and is close to the max pressure that the gun was designed to operate at.
Since you obviously don't care a whit for your gun or for following instructions (YOU know better-right?)you may find the Prometheus pellets exactly what your looking for. Let us know if you can get them up to 1400 fps.
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I want a pcp or a springer. Heres the pros and cons.
PCP GUNS
PROS: recoilless, low cocking force, very powerful
CONS: no dive shop in town, don't have money to buy
scuba tank or hand pump, expensive
SPRINGER GUNS
PROS: No need for scuba tank and cheaper
CONS:Lot of recoil,high cocking force, some not as
powerful,holdsensitive,springs wear out
I would like to get a PCP but I don't have enough
$$$ and the closest dive shop is 1 hour away. But
a springer is to hard to cock and I'll have to
replace the spring.This is VERY confusing!
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In Reply to: recomend a gun?? posted by Alan Mclean on August 13, 2000 at 11:35:02:
I recently bought a Super Star from PSI in .177 cal (also available in .22) and I love it! Very accurate & also fairly powerful. Very well built & crafted, great trigger. An excellent choice, IMO. Have a good one!
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I have an El Gamo 126 Pnuematic Target Rifle that need repair. Recommendations on whee to send it?
I think it needs the seals replaced.
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In Reply to: Super star mk2 carbine posted by BUD on August 13, 2000 at 03:03:42:
Try Precision Sales International. I think the price will be lower. RB
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In Reply to: recomend a gun?? posted by Alan Mclean on August 13, 2000 at 11:35:02:
Alan: the requirements tend to point you towards the BSA Superstar underlever, which happens to be on sale for under $300 at PSI right now. It features a rotary breech that is totally safe, with good power and excellent accuracy. RB
In Reply to: Problems With BSA SuperSport rear sight! posted by DAN on August 13, 2000 at 11:01:20:
Dan: stop breaking sights. I'd wager there is a certain amount of carelessness involved. Have you thought of using a peep sight instead? The Williams FP-GR units work great and cost under $50. Regards, Russ
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Hi.
I am looking to replace my old blue streak with a secondhand springer/ram type. I do not like sliding breach designs, as I'm attached to my fingers, but would prefer fixed barrel with an ambydexterous or left hand stock.
I plan to use it for some not too serious FT and possibly a little hunting. So as I see it it should be accuracy first then power.
Regards Alan
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Lacking a chronograph, I've always used Splats off a steel plate to evualuate a guns preformance,this and a water filled soda can at various ranges give a ballpark estimation of what any gun will do.
I was wondering,during the testing of a 2240 I'd built up , if anyone has actually done a read on various caliber splats, and their velocity measurements?
My plate is a 2 1/2"thick by 12"dia machined face piece of immovable steel approx 25lbs.
Heres another one for you...
Hang a 1 lb steel plate on a 6 ft string, whack it with your firebreathing 12+ ft lb gun. It won't move even a foot, much less 12ft!
We fool ourselves with figures,and overshoot with our guns at game sometimes. Huh?
Just an observation,and somthing to chew on for yall.
Dave
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I'm going to try to finish one of JM's stocks... I've rad a lot about it so the proces (ands it's variations) is clear. I want to know where to purchase the tung oil, wether it be Birchwood Casey's or otherwise.
How many of you use a sealer before finishing?
Thx, Hans.
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In Reply to: Re: Air Arms S-310 wanted... Sell me one , please..... posted by Sammy on August 12, 2000 at 23:31:13:
Steve at Pomona has told me that the S-310 is not going to be available any more since the S410 is coming out. He also said that he has none left in his invetory.
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I'm 15 years old and recived a supersport from my parents as a gift. The rear sight has broken two times. The first time i called precision sales and they immediatley sent me a replacement. After the replacement broke i'm not sure what to do. I dont want another BSA sight. Any advice would be grately appreciated. thanks
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In Reply to: Re: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 00:57:08:
While I WAS given a bb gun as a Christmas gift (my first gun, an 1894 Daisy and I was John Wayne and Roy Rogers all wrapped into one!), my first really serious performance gun was a '66 Sheridan Bluestreak. They retailed for $35.00 at that time but I was a (young 13yr. old) man with a plan. I had noticed that my dream gun was listed in mom's J.C.Penney's catalogue for $27.95. Well, I'd shot my Daisy since the Christmas of '63 without undue incident and I'd also had the NRA Safety Course that I'd taken after school (it was sponsored by the school). I was able to get permission because of those two factors and the fact that I specified that I would pay for it myself. Well, I did. I worked for .50 an hour on my grandfather's farm and on my father's smaller farm (no hourly pay there but mom and dad were generous in their own way. They would give me lots of time between farming seasons to do all the hunting and trapping I wanted. Once planting seasons came, they were still good to me and my brother. They gave us time off whenever possible and which we jumped at! It seemed there was always pockets of time made available between work to go hunting). Well, I got my Sheridan that fall of '66 and Russ, can you imagine going from an 1894 bb gun to a Bluestreak with ashcan pellets in one jump? WOW!!!!! You'd of thought I was shooting a .30-06!!! First night I got it, I took a couple of sparrows and one of them had half his head taken off! My mouth was open and stayed open! My 1894 never did THIS! I still have that old Sheridan and I still take stuff with it too! If I had a buck for every critter I took with that gun, I could probably retire now! I got to where that gun was like a third arm to me. When my best friend,younger brother and I went camping, that gun literally was in my bedroll with me (couldn't afford a sleeping bag but we made do)! I'd like to think that that was a more innocent time (and it was for my brother and I) but even then we knew there was something going on in a far away place called Viet Nam. ---- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Tech Force Airguns posted by Zero on August 13, 2000 at 10:45:22:
THe 78 is good, the 88 is good, I have not heard anything but bad reports on the 66.
In Reply to: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by Eli on August 13, 2000 at 00:30:27:
hey eli,
trust me dude i was in the same spot you are in. My parents didn't want me to get mine for a lot of reasons but what i did was let them know exactly when and where the gun would be stored and i offered such things as "can you hold on to the ammo for me" now that crap gets you mucho brownie points. Your gonna have to play it like a game but remeber all parents are different, try to figure out what she wants to hear.Concerning the prob finding somewhere to shoot i never had that prob but i am sure you can find somewhere (ie local gunclub)And about someone mistaking it for a real weapon NEVER take it out in public just use it when you target practice or whatever have a gunbag. And lastly about the money factor what i told my mom was is that shooting to me is as big as my other sports (track and field, cross country) and that may change her mind. I hope this helps you out man.
good luck
Does any one have any experience with Tech Force airguns? I was wondering if getting a TF66 was worth it, or if the thing would just break after 50 shots, like other cheap imports...
-Zero
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In Reply to: Anti-Gun Laws in US. Any comments or concerns???? posted by Chazzz on August 13, 2000 at 03:27:38:
I support the instant check. Most gun owners
support it as well. But the anti gunners
have made buying guns a hassle in New Jersey.
Why must we wait 6 months to get our ID cards?
We have to pay $15 for the instant check. $49 for
fingerprinting. $17 for a handgun permit + $15 for
another instant check when you buy it. All the
hassle at the police station - they have other work
to do. They shouldn't have this burden.
Our congresswoman Roukema pretends to be in support
of our rights, but have you looked at her record?
And finally, we have the Lautenburg law. Now if your
girlfriend accuses you of domestic abuse - unsubstantiated
possibly - your guns will be taken away without trial.
Roukema calls NJ laws "comprehensive". Let's
hope that your state doesn't become "comprehensive"
Try buying a pellet pistol in NJ.
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
My nephew figured out (don't ask me how) that if you load one pellet in the barrel the normal way, and one in the font of the barrel backwards, it does relly nifty stuff. A cheesey diagram follows:
(Stock) --------------------------------------
=> Barrel <=
---------------------------------------
Anyhoo, when you fire this it makes a really loud CRACK! noise, which we think is the pellet(s) colliding and breaking the sound barrier. (One of Newton's combining velocity laws or something...) He calls it the "windowbreaker" because if you shoot a window with it, it sets up a shockwave along the glass. Instead of just punching a hole in it, the shot turns the whole window into confetti.
We also found out that this does fun stuff to triple-paned office windows. If you catch my drift...
-Zero
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In Reply to: Re: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 01:12:52:
I hear you Russ! God forbid my dad should find out something like that about me! Mom would have been bad enough believe me! LOL! She would have used every limb on a tree to switch my behind with! Lord how I hated that (but it WOULD get my undivided attention)! There was NO gun in the world worth all that! --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: gamo 440 hardwoods hunter posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 20:13:18:
A good reason NOT to buy GAMO products!
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In Reply to: whats a STRONG airGUN not air rifle posted by nin1974 on August 13, 2000 at 01:23:01:
Find a used Crosman SSP250 in .22 caliber (500 fps with Premiers), or a Crosman bulk-fill CO2 112 pistol (480-510 fps with Premiers). For an airgun, get a Ben/Sher pump pistol in .22 and have Mac-1 steroid it to 500 fps. Airpistols using the name "magnum" are compensating for non-magnum power.
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In Reply to: Are ya using lead pellets,or steel?I heard its bad to use steel BB's in this gun... posted by Josh P. on August 12, 2000 at 23:42:35:
On the left side of the BB "magazine" on my P23 it says "USE LEAD BB's ONLY!" Yet the gun uses a magnet to hold the BB's in place, which will not hold lead BB's. What gives?
-Zero
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In Reply to: Effects on " Ecology " posted by bcd on August 13, 2000 at 02:02:15:
In a past edition of Varmint Masters, I read where a game biologist said that where there is a shortage of female coyotes, male coyotes will mate with dogs in the area. The writer went on to say that once the population of female coyotes was again back up to snuff, the coyotes would then convert dogs back to where they were originally. In other words, the dogs were again a part of the food chain. Practical and pragmatic animals these coyotes! ------ Mr.P
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In Reply to: Firearm bullets in airguns? posted by Dimitris on August 13, 2000 at 08:26:36:
I saw that posting, too. Tim was advertising Eley Magnum “bullet heads.” A lot of people refer to lead bullets as bullet “heads.” I believe what Tim was referring to are the solid 30-grain lead pellets Eley sells. They do look alot like a hollow-base lead bullet. I think I even referred to them that way when I reported on them in “The Airgun Letter.”
These pellets are smaller in diameter than true .22-cal. lead bullets and are, therefore, correctly sized for an airgun barrel. They will work perfectly in a Career (if I’m correct about what Tim was talking about), as long as the feed mechanism is properly set up.
The 30-grain Eley Magnum pellets come packed in a tin of 300. They’re definitely pellets and not bullets, because they have no lubrication grooves nor are they outside-lubricated.
You can shoot some lead firearm bullets in airguns, but you have to be very careful about how they are sized. In big-bore airguns, we frequently use firearm bullets, however the barrels are sized for them. For the smaller calibers, though, you have to mike the bullet. Popular wisdom is to shoot a lead bullet no greater than .001 inch larger than your bore diameter.
Hope this helps.
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.com
In Reply to: RX-1 / HW90 pellet operating pressure question - Thanx in advance! posted by Marco on August 13, 2000 at 02:25:07:
While I can't speak authoritatively on the subject, I know that Prometheus pellets NOT good for the health of alot of airguns. I also know that ballistically speaking, they are less than impressive (although I do have a friend who killed an oppossum one shot using a mid-eighties' vintage Prometheus pellet from a .177 P-1 and wrote a story about it in American Airgunner). --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Are Prometheus pellets any good? The ones in plastic... (nt) posted by Marco on August 13, 2000 at 08:50:13:
Maybe for certain lower powered, non choked guns but I've had them melt on the way up the barrel in a power tuned R1, an getting the plastic they left out of the barrel is a pain. They like a surgicaly clean barrel without a choke. I have half a dozen examples in .177 and .22 but don't find much use for them.
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In Reply to: EXCELLENT RWS 48/52/54 info here: posted by peter huppertz on August 12, 2000 at 11:59:41:
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In Reply to: Re: QB78 .177 cal and your stock posted by CJ on August 13, 2000 at 09:58:51:
If I can get a picture, no camera. Freddy has started working on it, should be done in a week or so.
In Reply to: Fun Supply is open B18 is $10 cheaper posted by James Kitching on August 13, 2000 at 09:43:26:
Do you have any in yet? Talked to Don he said you like the stock, when you get it back from your stock guy send me some pics and I'll put it on the web site.
In Reply to: Anyone coming to the Olympic Games ?? posted by daisy on August 12, 2000 at 23:42:21:
Yes, I'm coming, as part of the Shooting Team in fact, But i'm afraid my responsibilities as gunsmith for the Team, won't let me get that far away from Sydney. Otherwise I might head North to visit my employee's parents at their gunshop in Brisbane.
I will be giving live reports, well daily anyway, from the Olympics, on my website.
In Reply to: Firearm bullets in airguns? posted by Dimitris on August 13, 2000 at 08:26:36:
on Delphi
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Got a new system operational eith Windows 2000, Retrospect tape and CD backup, and QB2000 that lets my accountant do my books while I continue to operate. Hopefuly, this type of extended outage should not occur in the future.
Thanks to all who helped me and waited patiently for me to re open.
James Kitching
Fun Supply
In Reply to: Theoben Taunus or Sirroco 2000 ? posted by Gary on August 12, 2000 at 21:08:35:
There is a new version of the sirocco, called the HV (high velocity). Theoben made a new stock for it, practically the same as the taunus. All new FAc-actions are the same, the rifle is called after the stock that is fitted.
The sirocco 2000 is not up to the fac levels, there for they alterd dthe internals of the rifle and fitted a Heydua-stock. Take the sirocco HV if you're righthandd. If not you'll need the Taunus stock which is made in LH.
h.
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In Reply to: Checking for parallax error posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 00:27:21:
Russ,the 4x Banner I have on now does not have the AO,however the Banner 4x12 did and I had it dialed in at the correct distance while trying to zero it.I'm an avid hunter and have been shooting firearms for many years and have never seen anything quite like this.I feel this is recoil/scope related and would like to know your recommendations for a stout 4x or 6x or 2x7 airgun scope for my R9.I've been reading this forum for about two months and respect your opinions.
Thanks, Ken
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In Reply to: Re: RX-1 / HW90 operating pressure posted by Slug on August 13, 2000 at 06:42:43:
Well, I incidcently pumped it to 30 bar. Hard to cock, but it shot hard too!
I hear other people talking about 25/26 bar. And yours came from the factory at 24. So 22.5 seems too low to me.
Haven't tried that recoil differnce yet. This morning I did some fast plinking, hitting coca cola cans up to 30 yards. So I guess there is something wrong with your gun...
Do you have any comment on pellets? (prometheus good or bad?)
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In Reply to: Who has shot the Daisy 400GX and the Model 45? posted by A. Roehm on August 10, 2000 at 02:11:38:
Try looking at dnrsports.com or daisy.com if you want to buy them on-line. Price range is around $40-50.
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In Reply to: Who has shot the Daisy 400GX and the Model 45? posted by A. Roehm on August 10, 2000 at 02:11:38:
Try looking at dnrsports.com or daisy.com if you want to buy them on-line. Price range is around $40-50.
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A couple of days ago I think I read a message from Mac-1 saying that he sells .22 firearm bullets. I was wondering, is it possible to use bullets instead of pellets in an airgun? Is it safe for the rifle's barrel rifling (harder lead material)? If it is a springer, does it harm the spring in any way due to bad air sealing between the projectile and the barrel (no skirts)? Are they accurate enough? Finally, can I load them in a Carreer?
Thank you in advance for your answers,
Dimitris
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In Reply to: Re: Entry Level Match Air Rifles Advice Needed posted by Phillip Reedy on August 13, 2000 at 02:16:50:
I second Phil's motion 100%.
Save your pennies for a good used FWB 300S or Diana 75. You won't be sorry.
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In Reply to: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by Eli on August 13, 2000 at 00:30:27:
!:No real problem with pellets, as long as you don't do something stupid like shooting golf balls.
2:So don't point it at anybody, or anywhere near them. If a cop treats you like an armed felon, place the gun on the ground and back up with your hands raised. Now is not the time to argue, you can sue him for assault later if he pointed a gun at you.
3:She may be right. Is there 25' or more available for an indoor range in your home? How far away is the nearest shooting range?
4:Shoes are dangerous if you use them to walk in front of a car. The trick is to never let the gun point in a direction that you can't afford to release a pellet in. More safety rules at link below:
In Reply to: Effects on " Ecology " posted by bcd on August 13, 2000 at 02:02:15:
"A minute or two later, along came their owner, obviously enjoying the chase."
Did you stick out your foot and trip him? :-)
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In Reply to: German Luger airgun ? posted by jon on August 11, 2000 at 00:01:09:
Jon,
Do you have a Schimel Pistol? My Uncle, a tool and die maker made that pistol back in 1946-7 through 1957.
I'm in the process of building a database program of serial numbers I can find through people that have the pistol. This may help determine production runs, condition, and people interested in buying and selling the pistol.
In the process I will determine how expensive it would be to build replacement parts for this pistol. If there's enough demand I will create a parts break down and drawings for each parts that are most likely to break.
Is that something you or others may be interested in? If so send me your serial number, condition, and what parts you have had break.
My Email address is d.schimel@worldnet.att.net
Thank You
Dave Schimel
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In Reply to: Re: spring life posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 00:41:45:
Does anyone make an aftermarket spring for the RWS
48 that's thicker than .128''? Thanks!
<:-@
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In Reply to: Anti-Gun Laws in US. Any comments or concerns???? posted by Chazzz on August 13, 2000 at 03:27:38:
Well, the way I see it the anti gun group wants the U.S.
not to have any guns . This gos along with what they are pushing all
over the world . The U.N. has called for that.And the places that have went for the bull
they are selling .Crime has sky rocketed and the people can't defend them selfs.
If no one stops them . It will be one step at a time untill you can even have a bb gun.
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In Reply to: Pistols in Canada posted by Mac2 on August 12, 2000 at 21:10:45:
...just plinking outside city limits. Technically, even when the people saw me I was not "concealing" a weapon.
The police have a fine line to walk in rural communities between upholding stupid laws and pissing off law abiding citizens.
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In Reply to: whats a STRONG airGUN not air rifle posted by nin1974 on August 13, 2000 at 01:23:01:
..an Aeron B4 Chameleon in .22 and a Weihrauch 45 (known as the Beeman P1 in the US) in .22cal. Both shoot around 450 fps in .22cal w/light pellets. The Czech built Chameleon is C02 powered and the German built HW45 is spring powered. The Czech pistol is more accurate while the German pistol is not temperature sensitive like CO2.
Quality does not come cheap though and both pistols retail for over $300 USD. On the other hand you get what you pay for and probably won't regret the money spent on either one.
If this is out of your budget consider a Crosman 1322 for around $60 USD new. Nowhere near the quality of the aforementioned pistols but similar power output at the muzzle.
I'm not a big hunting guy but any of these pistols would be capable of taking out small game at close ranges.
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In Reply to: whats a STRONG airGUN not air rifle posted by nin1974 on August 13, 2000 at 01:23:01:
airguns r us sells a falcon airpistol that is a bad ass for hunting the best one out there
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In Reply to: Re: Gamo P23's at Wal-Mart... posted by BUD on August 13, 2000 at 01:58:46:
Same thing happend to mine.
Something broke inside and it stopped shooting.
And when it did work, the trigger pull was much too hard to shoot accurately with one hand.
Mike
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In Reply to: RX-1 / HW90 pellet operating pressure question - Thanx in advance! posted by Marco on August 13, 2000 at 02:25:07:
- The gauge I got came with a single small sheet of instructions. The maximum pressure is rated by caliber:
.177 > 22.0 Bar
.20 > 22.5 Bar
.22 > 22.5 Bar
.25 > 23.0 Bar
Same also says never to exceed 24 Bar at 70 degrees F, uncocked.
- I've gotten my .177 back from factory service set as high as 24 bar, but it's obvious: it vibrates lots when fired (isn't accurate at all, 6" at 30 yds) and smokes badly. I keep mine at 16-20 Bar unless someone wants to shoot an airgun that "shoots as fast as a .22 LR". The cocking effort usually gets to 'em pretty quickly. ;) - Slug
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In Reply to: Does anyone on here own a beretta made by umerax posted by Greg S on August 12, 2000 at 22:10:07:
Is great, heavy and realistic. Very good accuracy and one of the best buy for Triple-P or airgun practical shooting.
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In Reply to: Crosman 167 posted by jon on August 11, 2000 at 00:17:04:
Anyone out there that has a nice triggerblock 167 for sale? I have been looking for one for about 6 years, I have found 2 earlier 167's, but need to round uot my collection.
Thanks
Dave
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In Reply to: Re: spring life posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 19:59:04:
i know you're not supposed to oil the chamber often, and when you do, to use very little oil- but isnt it necessary to use chamber oil/spring oil? why do you say its just another moneymaker?
confused,
steve
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In Reply to: Re: ProPoint on a BSA SuperStar posted by Gary on August 12, 2000 at 16:26:18:
Here you go:
Chris
@!#$ that!!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: Re: The Starling...Portrait Of A Killer posted by Art on August 12, 2000 at 22:52:15:
Art,
Order this one, it is cheeper and a better trap.
I used to have it pictured on my site but do to
copyright problems I was asked by the PMCA to remove it.
This link will take you to the order page.
In Reply to: Questions for TAU-7 owners posted by TCooper on August 13, 2000 at 02:48:26:
I have the TAU 7 and also my son has one also.The gun is very accurate, He has one a silver medal at the georgia games and I one a silver also. The gun will shoot one holers all day long.It will also run on bulk or co2 cartrages. Mine are shot indoors most of the time so temp has not affected them that much. The gun come in a fitted case with bulk tank, extra orings,sights and barrel weights, very nice. HTHs R J K
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Is 329.99 a good price for a Super Star mk2 carbine??And do anybody have one??(in .22cal)Is it a good rifle??
The price I got was at Cubeta's.
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I am thinking about getting a TAU-7 for indoor 10 meter target shooting during the winter and outdoor plinking (silhouettes) during the summer.
Would the TAU work okay at teperatures of 60 degrees F or is this to cold?
How accurate is the TAU-7 at 20 yards?
Any opinions/advice on this gun?
Thanks,
Todd
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In Reply to: Re: New IFP International Match World Record posted by Phillip Reedy on August 12, 2000 at 21:47:51:
Phil,
There's a web page devoted to the IFP sport --- www.delphi.com/airrifle. If you aren't registered at Delphi, you can always visit as a guest. Also try the Field Target Forum at www.delphi.com/fieldtarget.
Good shooting,
Bob
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In Reply to: One of those days.... posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 15:25:04:
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Since a week or two I own a RX-1 (HW90). It's a great gun, although I have the feeling I still gotta 'learn to shoot it'. I still gotta get 'the feel of the gun'. But I have a questions:
1) I found that at 22 bar, I shoot most pellets at 2/21 lbs,
but the 15,5 grain H&N Field Target Trophy at almost 24 lbs!
Should I get 18 grain pellets for the best performance?
2) I bought so called 'Prometheus' pellets, they are covered
in plastic. What does it 'add' to normal pellet-shape?
Is this advicable in my gun?
3) Should I use my gun at 26/27 bar, higher or lower?
Thankx guys, I learned so much from you alredy...
-=MP=-
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In Reply to: Entry Level Match Air Rifles Advice Needed posted by Mike F on August 12, 2000 at 23:49:35:
Hello Mike,
If you even think that you will want to get serious about the 10m game, or maybe even formally compete one day, you would be better served by either a TAU-200, or better yet a used German Feinwerkbau or Diana. I consider the Daisy 753/853 rifles to be good rifles to learn the mechanics of shooting, but they lack the weight, shape, and fine trigger of a true 10m match rifle.
A true match rifle weighs around 10lbs. (or more), has a stock with an unobstructed, deep forearm bottom that allows the shooter to place his off-hand just in front of the trigger guard, and a very fine trigger that is adjustable in position. A Daisy does not have any of these things.
A TAU-200 is probably the least expensive, new true match rifle than I can think of. As long as you will be shooting indoors during the winter, you will be OK. A better choice IMO is used version of either a Feinwerkbau 300s or Daina (RWS) 75s. Both of these can be readily found on the used market, many times for less than $500. These two rifles are spring-powered, but are recoilless. They are true 10m match rifles in the classic sense -- world-class accuracy combined with Germany precision in craftsmanship. These things last for decades, so you can get a used one and be confident that any shot that misses the ten dot is your fault, and not the rifle's.
If your budget only allows you to purchase a Daisy or Crosman (they have a new 10m rifle out too), then buy one and practice as much as possible. After all, they are better than nothing. However, I can guarantee you that if you purchase a Daisy or Crosman, and then decide to really pursue the 10m game, you will quickly be looking to upgrade. Save your money and then buy good stuff from the beginning, so you won't one day be in the position of having to dispose of a used 853.
have fun,
Phil Reedy
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In Reply to: Re: R9 scope posted by Pepi on August 12, 2000 at 09:44:01:
For that price get a Bushnell Banner or Swift scope. I have a 4x12x40 Banner and am very happy with it.
-Mark
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In Reply to: Avoid Hassles With Busybodys and The Law posted by Happy Gardener on August 12, 2000 at 11:06:04:
Good advice! Private lands are always best with REMOTE public lands second.
-MArk
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In Reply to: Re: Beeman S1? posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 17:11:51:
The S1 is ok for a first gun. You can find them used on Beeman's site for closer to $100.
-Mark
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In Reply to: Re: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 00:57:08:
My mom used to hate ANY gun, weapon or anything that looked like it. Even in movies and so. I was never allowed to have a toy like that, or a videogame or stuff. That was wrong. Everytime we walked into a toyshop, I sneaked away to take a look at the toy-guns. And now?
I'm 20 years old, live on my own, own a lot of books and magazines about weapons and guns and I am the proud owner of 10 airguns. I love 'em!
BUT! I really do agree with Russ you MUST have a certain proven responsibility. When you are plinking cans, you WILL get the feeling you want to try it's power. Maybe on another can, maybe some wood, maybe the neighbours cat... That's what we try to tell you! And then?
No, I'm not going to tell you I'm not shooting starlings and so on, or sometimes a window ;-) but you should understand HOW DANGEROUS an airgun CAN BE!
I'm concerned about what you told 'no save place to shoot...' Maybe a low powered airgun is better, and shoot indoors with a good pellet-trap?
Be sure to post your further story to use, we'd all love to know!
-=MP=-
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In Reply to: Dogs in Rural Country posted by MarkD on August 11, 2000 at 19:59:22:
I've wandered the Southwestern mountains and deserts
for over 40 years. The problem of stray dogs
increasingly has become a major problem, but gets
essentially zero attention.
In a mountain community where I own a home, the
threats to humans are recognized, but little is
"openly" done about it. Worse yet, the problem is
not "feral" dogs, but pets that pack up to pursue
just about anything that moves.
There is an unspoken law among those of us locals
who take our hunting and conservation seriously:
if you see an obviously unattended dog in the wild,
you kill it.
All of the descriptions of what loose dogs do to
domestic animals are true also of game. There
used to be deer in the region around our land,
which borders National Forest. Since the human
and associated roaming dog populations have
increased, the deer are gone from the area.
The coyote population is on the upswing, but
they are acquiring the characteristics of urban
coyotes. For some reason, they don't seem to
bother the dogs beyond harassment. Perhaps that's
because they are eating too well to be bothered.
Oh, one little anecdote to broaden the subject:
I was hiking with my wife on the Cougar Crest trail
in the San Bernardinos (long but easy and scenic
trail in So. Cal.). It was mid-day, and suddenly
a deer burst over a ridge and ran right down the
trail past all the weekend hikers. A few seconds
later, along came two pointers in full chase. A
minute or two later, along came their owner,
obviously enjoying the chase.
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Not mine just thought some would like to know.
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In Reply to: Gamo P23's at Wal-Mart... posted by Josh P. on August 12, 2000 at 22:23:21:
I got one at the Sports Authority about a year ago and it was ok and then it stop shooting.Something broke in side of it.I like Gamo's Rifles,but I do not want to buy another junk gun!!!
Bud
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In Reply to: itty bitty vehicles posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 01:07:42:
Did a clutch in one years ago, all parts up there, engine, transaxel, and drive shafts manufactured By Fiat of Italy, even stamped Fiat made in Italy.
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In Reply to: P.S. Wolves and coyotes fear men, ferals don't posted by Michael A on August 12, 2000 at 11:47:14:
I have found that "urban" coyotes have lost their
fear and respect for man ... guess why!
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Are there any STRONG air gun(not air rifles) that shoots BB's?? for hunting...
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Hi, was wondering whats a strong and prcise Air Pistol for hunting?? I know a air rifle would be better but whats a good+strong airgun for this???
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In Reply to: Quackenbush Brigand XL posted by Dave B on August 12, 2000 at 22:01:46:
Have you thought about trying a set on Millet 30mm steel rings they just have the right amount of gripping stegth that you're looking for.
Hope this helps
Later Whitewolf
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In Reply to: Ordering Crosman 160s from CMP? posted by Lon on August 12, 2000 at 22:45:42:
The NRA doesn't count as a club, but some State orgs. require you to be an NRA member to join their club. BTW - it's worth the hassle. Virtually new 3rd model 160s just aren't found every day. I've got 2 CMPs. One of them still has the red paper warning stapled around the barrel.
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In Reply to: Easily posted by Craig W. on August 13, 2000 at 00:18:25:
True. Not only that, really dried or dryrotted plywood would just shatter. Fresh,wet plywood is like shooting at a flat spring. RB
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In Reply to: Re: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by daniel on August 13, 2000 at 01:01:16:
That's the difference between than and now. If I had ever done that, the doctors would have had to surgically remove the gun barrel from my posterior and the stock splinters from my skull ! Then... I would have to face DAD ! (shivvers!)RB
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In Reply to: Re: oh a yugo car our uncle had one(nt) posted by AGiles on August 12, 2000 at 21:54:58:
AG: don't feel bad--- years ago, some of my 'buds' decided to carry my VW Beetle and place it between three trees ! I was out in another friends car at the time, and when we got back.. hooo boy ! I had to gather up some other friends and pick the car up and carry it back out! I imagine any Fiat Topolino, Isetta, Gogomobile, etc. must face the same embarrasment sometime during it's 'life'. :>) Russ
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How good is the Daisy model 45? Anyone have any oppinions they could offer on this gun? Thanks!
J
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In Reply to: Best Gun for under $100 posted by shooter on August 12, 2000 at 19:56:19:
gamo p-23. no doubt about it. it shoots either bbs or pellets at 400 fps, has a rifled bore, can group .4" at 10m and man does it look sweet!
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In Reply to: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by Eli on August 13, 2000 at 00:30:27:
im 16 and i just bought a b22. my best advice is to get your own money and just tell your mom that you are buying yourself an airgun. then just dont let her ever see it.
or just steal her credit card by the most expensive one there is and deal with the consequences later.
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In Reply to: How to convince a mother to buy you an airgun posted by Eli on August 13, 2000 at 00:30:27:
Ricochets aren't much of a problem with pellet guns. BB's yes- pellets-no. The pellets splatter and flatten when striking a firm object. Getting hurt with one? Yes- you can get hurt. Show her you are considerate and careful in other things, and you will be doing well. If you're a natural klutz, she may have justified beliefs. If you don't listen to her when she wants you do do things a certain way, you could be sealing your fate. The thing is.. being a responsible gun owner doesn't start when you want a gun. It starts years before, by showing that you are a responsible person in many other ways. Do you accept the consequences of your behavior without putting up a fight? Do you accept responsibility seriously, or do you act impulsively?
The fact that she is your mom means she knows you a lot better than we do. It doesn't always mean she's right, but she does have a lot more insight into your past behavior. Show her that you can be responsible and careful, and she may change her mind. Money can also be a real issue, so if you can help earn some money towards the gun, you will be showing both responsibility AND a willingness to meet her halfway. Regards and good luck- Russ Best
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In Reply to: Re: spring life posted by Sid Edgewater on August 13, 2000 at 00:10:17:
Sid: by asking. Another factor is the wire diameter of the spring. Slender springs (.128" and under)don't particularly do well with heavy-ish pellets. Many airguns fall into that category. Some of the bigger magnums like Kodiak, Pro Elite and R-1 have heavy springs and can take it somewhat better. ( the RWS sidelevers use .128 springs). Heavy pellets can produce something called piston bounce, which happens when a pellets is slow to start moving up the barrel. The column of compressed air behind it causes the piston to act like it's hit a wall- even though it hasn't. Just at that point, the pellet is now moving again and the piston resumes it's forward motion to the endwall of the chamber. This sudden stop-start-stop of the spring stresses it, and eventually can cause the spring to fail.
As a very general rule:
.177's keep pellets between 7.3 and 9.5 gr
,20 " " " 10.5 and 14.3 gr
.22 " " " 11.5 and 15.5 grains
This applies to most 'magnum class' spring rifles, but not all. Lower powered rifles should try to stay on the lighter end of pellets. Regards, Russ Best
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In Reply to: Commemorative Air Rifle for " W " , (if he wins) posted by chasm on August 11, 2000 at 19:58:04:
His old man didn't have a clue, and near as I can
tell, neither does he.
Guess we need to vote for him to avoid Gore (wretch, hurl),
but I sure wouldn't send him any "perc's".
Hope 'W' doesn't drive the nation back to the Dem's
before John Mc. get his change to work the problem.
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This is my problem. I am 15 years old and would like to buy an airgun. She has several problems: 1) ricochets(or however it is spelled) and me getting hit
2) someone might think it is real
3) no place to shoot it safley
4) that it is a lot of money for somethign that is dangerous.
Can anyone please help me by addressing her concerns. Thanks
--Eli
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In Reply to: Re: Quackenbush Brigand XL posted by Dave B on August 12, 2000 at 22:50:36:
Thanks man ,, let us know how it does with sight,s. thnxs RJK
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In Reply to: Re: R9 scope ? Need opinions posted by K Swicegood on August 12, 2000 at 23:22:52:
Parallax error is scope related,and it's easy to run across in low powered scopes. Many of them have a very long depth of field, and if the AO bell isn't dialed in perfectly, you will have sighting error. Being dialed in doesn't necessarily mean having the target in perfect focus either. To check for parallax error, you need to be able to hold the gun very still while focused on a single spot downrange. Now- without moving the gun, shift your eye side to side and slightly up and down. Do the crosshairs stay nailed to the aimpoint? Or do the croshairs shift somewhat while doing this? If the croshairs move- you have error. Sometimes, you can alter it some by refocusing the ocular to a different point in it's adjustment. The initial adjustment of an ocular lens (eyepiece) is correct when you quickly bring the gun to shoulder and the hairs are in perfect focus right away-- no staring or straining until they focus,
One more thought-- are your crosshairs PERFECTLY straight and perpendicular to the guns axis, or are they tilted very slightly? HTH, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Will everyone please post the URL for their personal Airgun site? posted by wayne parrish on August 11, 2000 at 19:44:14:
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In Reply to: Entry Level Match Air Rifles Advice Needed posted by Mike F on August 12, 2000 at 23:49:35:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: Ply wood posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 20:22:15:
Plywood can be quite inconsistent. Inner plies can have voids and soft spots that allow easy penetration.
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In Reply to: Re: I think you're right on the other guy's problem - .... posted by Swinson on August 11, 2000 at 11:58:37:
Gosh, another use for the force of a mouse passing
wind! I thought only rocketeers used that term :-)
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In Reply to: Entry Level Match Air Rifles Advice Needed posted by Mike F on August 12, 2000 at 23:49:35:
Mike: the chinese match rifle BS-4 is a copy of the FWB-300. It's very accurate and sells for around $550 new from Compasseco. Another to look at is the Tau-200. For real entry level match, try the Daisy 753. RB
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In Reply to: Re: spring life posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 19:59:04:
Thank you for your answer Rbest.My suspicion was that the answer was to be found in a ratio of mass of the pellet to volume of air being used to do work on that pellet.It still seems like there is more to it than just that.Factors like friction,surface volume of the pellet,acceleration,time the pellet is in contact with the barrel,heat build up and dissipation,rotational enertia,the net force the pellet puts on the spring,etc. all might be figured into the equation.It feels a bit like a college physics problem. Too bad I missed class the day we studied pellet gun equations.
Generally,how does one know what weight pellets are most efficient for the spring being used?
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In Reply to: Re: Targets posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 13:28:02:
Rats are vermin, non-native species. Whack at will.
What about tree rats? (Squirrels) I would only whack a tree rat if they were overpopulated. I had 21 squirrels in a single tree in my back yard- chasing each other like they were crazy. The neighbor had them eating through his eaves to build nests in his attic. One evening the problem was quietly resolved.
Rabbits. A friend is trying to reforest 100 acres (total) of old bad farmland. Rabbits had severely damaged 8,000 hardwood saplings. Not enough natural predators, and too much edge habitat. They were REALLY overpopulated, and still are. We are hunting them very aggressively- but I see a bunch of new stupid young ones jumping around just waiting for opening day. As I'm not the land owner, I don't think it's ok to whack them out of season (and I work for the DNR... got to follow the rules.)
Here is a fun one though- ketchup packets from Mcdonalds, taped to a board. Icky when hit!
Web
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Hi to all. I'm very keen on match air rifles but
have found the FWBs and the Steyrs beyond the
reach of my budget. Would anyone know of entry
level models and price ranges, not necessarily for
hi-level competition already?
Would really appreciate any advice on this.
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In Reply to: Ordering Crosman 160s from CMP? posted by Lon on August 12, 2000 at 22:45:42:
Lon: Go ahead and order the gun via internet. If you use plastic they don't charge it until they ship. If they have any left, they will set one aside for you. Then, search the list of affiliated clubs/orginizations and find the cheapest and join it (your call here). I found one in my state that pro-rated their dues in Jan. so it cost me $12.00 - cool. When you get your club card fax/email/snail mail them a copy. When they get it they will ship. Happy hunting and good luck...
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Ordering Crosman 160s from CMP? posted by Lon on August 12, 2000 at 22:45:42:
Lon: Go ahead and order the gun via internet. If you use plastic they don't charge it until they ship. If they have any left, they will set one aside for you. Then, search the list of affiliated clubs/orginizations and find the cheapest and join it (your call here). I found one in my state that pro-rated their dues in Jan. so it cost me $12.00 - cool. When you get your club card fax/email/snail mail them a copy. When they get it they will ship. Happy hunting and good luck...
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: My neighbor's son is 12 (and big for his age) and he is not able to cock my R9. (NT) posted by TinkerMan on August 12, 2000 at 18:36:04:
That boy is a pussy!
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In Reply to: Targets posted by Znagge on August 12, 2000 at 08:29:01:
Get yurself a tank a propane n some balloons. fill them balloons with the gas and tie em up real good. secure em so's they dont blow around in the wind too much and then place a candle near the balloon. now mind you not too close or you might be missin some eyebrows. I reckon you will be able to tell if you bust that balloon even 50 meters away.
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In Reply to: what is a blue yugo??? posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 14:56:04:
Yugo's are made in Yugoslovia, and are essentially a chassis, 4 seats, an engine, and a couple of spark plugs. they cost 3,500 american.
-john
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In Reply to: Re: Dogs posted by ED on August 12, 2000 at 11:06:44:
Ed,
Thanks for the kind words about my dog. Mac, is as gentle as they come, a great rabbit dog and friend. He is still lying around somewhat but has started moving around this evening and finally ate some food. Guess time will tell. Normally I'd have apistol handy but put it away due to company being over(little kids). Now I guess I'll have to find a place to keep it handy but concealed so kids can't get to it.
I filed a complaint with the sheriffs office and they talked to the owner. Tonight when I got home I found they had bought a new steel cable to hold in the front yard. Maybe it will help if they keep him on it. Again thanks for the kind words.
Yes I do like this forum and occaionally post on it about my guns like super ten shotgun that I'm presently trying to build a fill device for. So I can use it with my scuba tank instead of co2.Well I got to go get some shuteye have a good day(night that is), shoot staight and good shootin.
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In Reply to: Re: Gamo P23's at Wal-Mart... posted by Billc. on August 12, 2000 at 22:53:28:
I'm thinking about getting itand then ordering the lazer made for the P23...
Josh P.
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If anyone is coming to the games and doing any traveling around Oz after, stop in and have a beer.
I,m at the bottom of NSW near the Victorian boader, about 6 hrs south of Sydney on the coast road.
The town is Pambula so if at a loose end let me know.
Daisy
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In Reply to: silencers posted by me on August 12, 2000 at 18:28:42:
Nnnnnnooooooooo!!!! not again! Previous flame wars all coming back to me!!!!!!!
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It is a co2 and looks like a target gun? Thank you for any help you can give.
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In Reply to: Air Arms S-310 wanted... Sell me one , please..... posted by Derrin on August 12, 2000 at 21:37:01:
Derrin I know you want a used one but I have been looking to buy a new one and Pomona has some pretty good prices on the S310. I am sure you are already aware of this but I did want to let you know just in case.
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In Reply to: A good hunting airgun for under $150??? posted by Steve FL on August 12, 2000 at 22:02:42:
Try airgun express! They have spring guns at great prices. You do not want to pump that sheridan. If you are looking for a hunting rifle
check them out. Yes sheridans are great rifles
but, you can have an 850+ fps rifle that will shoot consistantly shot after shot with no pumping.
Just my opinon.
Dave
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In Reply to: Re: R9 scope ? Need opinions posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 21:25:02:
Russ does'nt it sound more scope related than gun related? I've made up my mind to get another scope.Do you have any suggestions in a 4x or 6x or 2x7? Ken
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In Reply to: Re: Air gun club near Ottawa? (Ontario, Canada).....nt posted by Lew on August 12, 2000 at 20:37:10:
There is a club in Elmira (near Kitichener) see Airgun shows
(main page AGL) for contact number.
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In Reply to: Extremely valuable 'ruger i thing'!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by John Sa. on August 12, 2000 at 06:56:25:
Interesting,
Is there a web site that has a picture of one.
If you have a picture of one would you email me a picture of one? my email address is in header of post.
Art
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In Reply to: Then we'll just have to " convert " more to our cause... :- ) ....nt posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 15:19:52:
nt.
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In Reply to: Re: Russ what about in a .177 RX-1 gas-ram???? (nt) posted by RBest on August 11, 2000 at 23:17:45:
Dea Sung "Cobra" Is what your thinking of. My Vortek rammed R1 shot them around 800fps and they were very accurate.
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In Reply to: A good hunting airgun for under $150??? posted by Steve FL on August 12, 2000 at 22:02:42:
Less than 1/4 of the way down this forum, the very same question was asked by Glenn. Please scroll and read before asking questions. The answers may already be here ! Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Seen feral dogs tear up a small critter? posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 13:45:38:
Cody,
feral refers to a once domesticated animal that has reverted to the wild. These can include Hogs also known as razorbacks, feral pigeons, feral cats, just to name a few. Also can be several generations in the wild. Dogs can be a real problem as that do not fear man. Georgia had a problem with these quite a few years ago with packs of feral dogs would attack hunters, some deaths occured IIRC.
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In Reply to: Ordering Crosman 160s from CMP? posted by Lon on August 12, 2000 at 22:45:42:
You have to belong to an organization
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In Reply to: Ordering Crosman 160s from CMP? posted by Lon on August 12, 2000 at 22:45:42:
You have to belong to an organization
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In Reply to: Okay people I need your help posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 09:41:47:
Do you think that this is some sort of conspiracy to keep you from buying a magnum RWS? If no one cared, we would all tell you where to get one, or better yet, one of us would sell you one of ours. The only reason anyone bothers to type a reply is to help you make a decision which you won't regret. I, personally, can't think of many things worse than shelling out a bunch of cash for something I couldn't use.
This is the last post from me counseling against the RWS magnum springers for you.
The next time you ask this question, I'll tell you what an excellent gun they are, how well they will fit you, and help you find one.
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In Reply to: Gamo P23's at Wal-Mart... posted by Josh P. on August 12, 2000 at 22:23:21:
I just pick up one at the local wal-mart and it is a neat little gun. No laser ,But i got a daisy laser and it works good after ajusting it . 60.00 for the gun 30.00 for the laser.oh and the gun will shoot bb.s on semi and single pellets. lots of fun..
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In Reply to: Re: The Starling...Portrait Of A Killer posted by Steve Forbes on August 12, 2000 at 10:45:00:
I saw the trap on your page. Where can I order one. I have hunderds of Starlings & grackles.
Art
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In Reply to: Re: Quackenbush Brigand XL posted by R J K on August 12, 2000 at 22:25:25:
Fit and finish is excellent. Shoots good but can,t say more until I have a sight on it! The trigger is single stage and set to go off by breathing on it.
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In Reply to: FX-2000 owners, I need your opinions........ posted by Derrin on August 12, 2000 at 21:35:42:
Well, it certainly doesn`t look like it belongs. I have an Axsor in .177 that shoots CP heavies at 880 fps and it isn`t what I`d call loud. Don`t worry about the DRD. It`s too much hassle and adds weight to an already wonderfully balanced gun.
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In Reply to: Hollow pellets vs other types posted by Albert on August 12, 2000 at 21:50:15:
Dome pellets are the best overall pellet (especially for long range). Hollowpoints don't get as good accuracy at long range compared to domes.
Have a look at the link below. It was done by "Pellant" and it shows the expansion/pentration of various pellets using pistol and rifle power.
In Reply to: License for taking non game animals? posted by Steve on August 12, 2000 at 13:16:56:
I can tell you what the TX game folks told me when I called them about hunting nongame, nonprotected animals.
The person asked "Will you be hunting?" I said yes. She said, "You need a license to hunt".
End of story.
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Do you HAVE to belong to an organization to purchase these or can you just fill in those spaces in the online order form with x's.
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In Reply to: silencers posted by me on August 12, 2000 at 18:28:42:
They're illegal.
No they're not, just pay the tax-that doesn't apply to airguns anyway.
Yes it does.
Well, I'm going to do it/have done it anyway.
Great, what was your email address again, or did I forget to mention that I work for the BATF?
I'm kidding, but it might serve you well to remember that this is a public forum, and anyone can listen in. Why make yourself a target for an agency which must justify its existence by prosecuting citizens?
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In Reply to: Who sells Webley besides Pyramid ??nt. posted by Derrin on August 12, 2000 at 21:33:07:
Also http://www.compasseco.com/
In Reply to: A good hunting airgun for under $150??? posted by Steve FL on August 12, 2000 at 22:02:42:
Any of the Benjamin/Sheridan pump-up pneumatic rifles makes a good hunting airgun. Later, if you feel the need for more power, there are a couple of people doing upgrades and modifications to the rifles. The rifles can be had for just over $100.
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In Reply to: Hollow pellets vs other types posted by Albert on August 12, 2000 at 21:50:15:
With the power your talking about use a dome-pellet for short to long distance shooting,
however the wadcutter in your gun will give you the best short distance impact. The wad-
cutter will give you good groupings at less than 25-35yds(gestimate) depending on pellet
quality, power of gun, quality and cleanliness of rifling. From all I've read the domed
is the way to go for all around shooting (ex.compitition). Hollow points like the crow-
magnum are for guns 16ft.lbs. and up at the 35yds and under because of over penitration.
In the powerrange your talking about I don't think that would be a major problem. Pointed
pellets could cause this issue though and should be avoided. Beeman.com is a sight that
could shed a little more light on this for you. ....Bob Kelly....
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In Reply to: Quackenbush Brigand XL posted by Dave B on August 12, 2000 at 22:01:46:
I have been been very interested in one of these for a long time. How does it shoot ? how is the fit and finish ? is the trigger good ,great or average let me know. This the may be the only way I can afford a custom gun . THNX RJK......
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I just noticed tonight that they have Gamo P23 pistols at Wal-Mart,4 of them.They come in a carrying case too.It didnt say what was in the box w/the gun it just had a sticker with the P23 and "Gamo P23 CO2 semi auto pistol".Anybody know if this is the kit where it gives you the laser?I couldnt make out all the small letters as it was inside a glass case.
Thanks-Josh P.
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What do you think about it?
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Whats a airgun that is under $150 that can be used for hunting purposes? Any thoughts or suggestions?
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I need to know what kind of mount for my XL so as to use a 30mm Propoint. I tried the burris 22 rimfire rings and did not get enough of a grip, about 1/32in. Any help?
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In Reply to: Re: yeah , Right nt posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 21:42:44:
Ho $#@!, NRA memberships anyone?
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In Reply to: Re: oh a yugo car our uncle had one(nt) posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 21:09:10:
No, something far worse - driving everyday to work!! The vehicle is actually a "Reliant Robin". With an 850cc engine, 3 wheels and a completely fiberglass body. Lovingly know as the "Plastic Pig" to all those across the pond. It was the ahem....car you could drive if you only held a motorcycle license, which I did at the time. I remember parking it on the side of the road one night to go out. When I returned, I thought it had been broken into; everthing had been pulled out, stuff all over the place. Just as I was tidying it up a police officer appeared and asked if this was my vehicle. I said it was, and that I thought it had been broken into. "Ho no, we found it upside down, in the middle of the road blocking traffic, so me and a few other officers rolled it back into it's parking space." was the reply from the officer. Apparently a group of drunken teenagers straight out of a nightclub had had some fun with it.
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In Reply to: Hollow pellets vs other types posted by Albert on August 12, 2000 at 21:50:15:
Hollow points like plenty of power for full expansion. On birds, wadcutters are often extremely good, if it isn't a long shot. RB
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In Reply to: Best Gun for under $100 posted by shooter on August 12, 2000 at 19:56:19:
There are lots of options, but at that price point, used may be the way to go. There is a .22 Winchester 353 at www.auctionarms.com which sounds like a nice gun for $70. I have recentely seen a Gamo Compact which is a very nice entry level match pistol for $100 on the American Airguns web page. As I said, there are many options, but for that amount of money I would definitely consider used.
John
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Hi !
For small birds and small animals hunting purposes, with low/mid powered rifles (9-10 ft-lbs), is it better to use those hollow point pellets (like the beeman crow magnum), or stick along with regular dome-pellets ? (let's assume that both pellets get the same grouping). And what about those pointed pellets ? (Wadcutters are unsuitable, I suppose)...
Thanks a lot !
Al.
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In Reply to: New IFP International Match World Record posted by Bob W. on August 12, 2000 at 21:12:20:
Hello Bob,
IFP sounds interesting. Do you know of any web sites that might have some information about this shooting discipline?
thanks,
Phil Reedy
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In Reply to: Attention NY airgunners posted by Bill Chase on August 12, 2000 at 20:42:32:
In Rochester
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
Popped many dozens of old radio-tv tubes in the days of my foolish youth!
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In Reply to: Re: yeah , Right nt posted by Mustapha on August 12, 2000 at 21:27:47:
At least one was arrested, but not prosecuted a couple years ago. Things are now changing, and the BATF has a mandate to enforce from the Clinton administration, because they've been critisized for NOT enforcing current laws. Things are going to go downhill...... RB
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In Reply to: Who sells Webley besides Pyramid ??nt. posted by Derrin on August 12, 2000 at 21:33:07:
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Looking for a used S-310 in walnut and .22 cal.
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Talked to one gent who told me : Awesome gun but , with the BBMF on the end , it was a terribly long gun. Is it so long that it is akward or unbalanced ??
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In Reply to: Re: Not illegal in the US. Just payt the $200.00 tax posted by Mustapha on August 12, 2000 at 20:51:34:
Keep spouting that and you could wind up in court! While it's true they have no authority over airguns, they DO have authority over silencers on airguns IF (big IF) the silencer can be removed readily and installed on ANY type of firearm. This is NOT my opinion--- it's a fact published by the BATF !!!! They also have authority over any silencing device that COULD be used on a firearm, even if it's not attached to one. They even have authority over PIECES of a silencer (even if incomplete). RB
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In Reply to: Re: Anyone know a Airgun dealer in Upstate NY?????? posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 21:26:57:
Russ,
Anything north of hilery's house is considered "upstate".
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In Reply to: Anyone know a Airgun dealer in Upstate NY?????? posted by Tom on August 12, 2000 at 21:18:13:
Air Rifle Specialists is not far from Elmira.
Check links this site.
Bob
In Reply to: yeah , Right nt posted by CJ on August 12, 2000 at 21:06:36:
So how many airgunners do out there using silencers have been arrested and prosecuted by the BATF?? None by any chance....?
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In Reply to: Re: Anyone know a Airgun dealer in Upstate NY?????? posted by SWAT955 on August 12, 2000 at 21:24:14:
Great Lakes Airguns is probably who you are talking about. They may not qualify as 'upstate' though. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Not illegal in the US. Just payt the $200.00 tax posted by Mustapha on August 12, 2000 at 20:51:34:
I agree Mustapha.
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In Reply to: R9 scope ? Need opinions posted by K. Swicegood on August 12, 2000 at 21:18:46:
KS: sometimes, eye fatigue and resuming shooting after taking a break to check targets can throw you. When you resume, your body and face may not be going into precisely the same position as earlier. Also- parallax error in the scope can aggravate the problem of shifting groups. I'm not saying that this is what is ocurring, but- it can happen. RB
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In Reply to: Anyone know a Airgun dealer in Upstate NY?????? posted by Tom on August 12, 2000 at 21:18:13:
hey tom,
well i am from upstate ny (near syracuse) and i have yet to find one around me. I buy mine online if i am looking for something special but i have heard of a finger lakes airgun shop or something like that, i am probaly wrong, i hope this helped alittle.
thanks
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In Reply to: Attention NY airgunners posted by Bill Chase on August 12, 2000 at 20:42:32:
Bill
I am in Sullivan County 18 miles NW of Monticello Raceway.
BOB
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I put a Bushnell Banner 4x scope on my R9 shortly after buying the gun.I know its not airgun rated but it seemed to do okay for a while.I could shoot 1/2'' groups at 35 yards with ease.Then the scope appeared to drift.Dead on at 35 yds. one day and 3'' high and left a couple of days later when I would shoot again. I decided I need another scope and bought a Bushnell Banner 4x12x40.I mounted the scope(rws 2 pc. mounts)and while I was trying to sight it in it too appeared to be drifting and would not hold zero. I removed it and put my 4x banner back on and had it zeroed in 10 minutes.Again 1/2'' groups at 35 yards.Today I shot and again my groups a now low and left at 35 yards.I know that the rings and mounts are solid and tight and I've checked the guns screws for tightness.What is happening??? I think it's a scope problem and need some opinions on a durable scope for my R9.I would like to stay with a 4x or 6x and may consider a 2x7. I didnt like the size of the 4x12 Banner.Any help with this problem and scope recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Ken
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In Reply to: Re: Visiting the Alamo Tomorrow posted by daisy on August 12, 2000 at 19:59:21:
Daisy: that's how I spent my day away from basic training too (67). Visited the Alamo and walked around San Antone stopping in every chili joint I could find. (I was sick of chow hall food). I was also sick of chili by the time nightfall arrived-- but only very temporarily ! :>) RB
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At our IFP (International Field Position) match today at Prado Olympic Shooting Park in Chino Hills, CA a new world record of 30 ex 50 in the International Match class was shot by Kevin Higashi of Chino, CA. Kevin used his Anschutz 2002CA (575 fps) with a Leupold 36x BR scope and Crosman Premier 7.9 gr pellets to break his previous world record of 24 ex 50. This new score is absolutely amazing, in view of the difficulty in shooting such a rifle at the IFP distance of 30 yards. Also, many IFP shooters using FT rifles (PCP's and spring guns) with a muzzle velocity of 300+ fps greater than the match rifle haven't approached this score. For those of us who witnessed this achievement, it was truly a great day. If you are interested in pushing the envelope of air rifle accuracy, then IFP is a real challenge.
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In Reply to: Best Gun for under $100 posted by shooter on August 12, 2000 at 19:56:19:
If you go for a 2250, buy it at MAC-1. They sell'em with some important aftermarket mods.
Take a look at:
In Reply to: Warning to Canadians! Airguns are now " weapons " under the criminal code! posted by Fearon Steele on August 12, 2000 at 01:47:18:
I was under the impression that it is and has been for quite some time, illegal to hunt any sort of game, even pests, with a pistol of any kind in Canada. The velocity of the pistol does not really matter, the fact that it is concealable is the issue. The crimes committed with air pistols and replicas has put more pressure on the police to be stricter when enforcing the laws. The remoteness of your home helped you to get your guns back, I am sure. Down in Toronto and surrounding areas where population density is high, if a handgun is taken away, your chances of getting it back are lower than winning the lottery. Later.
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: oh a yugo car our uncle had one(nt) posted by AGiles on August 12, 2000 at 21:04:46:
What was it used for? Delivering bacon and hocks? RB
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I am thinking about getting either a Taunus or a Sirroco 2000. If anyone has one of these please let me know how you like it and what caliber you have with feet per second. Thanks for any information you can give me.
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In Reply to: Targets posted by Znagge on August 12, 2000 at 08:29:01:
My favorite is NECCO wafers. Those are the little candies that come in rolls with about thirty to the roll. I can usually find them on sale 3 rolls for a dollar or so. They seem to fragment pretty well when hit.
The way I usually set them up is I take a board like a piece of 1x4 lumber that is a couple feet long and I use a circular saw to cut a groove in it length wise that is about 1/8 to 1/4 inch deep. I can then set the board on an old stump or any other suport and stand up a line of the NECCO wafers in the groove spaced about an inch apart.
The best part is that the wafers are biodegradable so there is no mess to clean up afterward. Incidentally, any similar hard candy or small cookies would work equally as well.
Good shooting.
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In Reply to: Re: Not illegal in the US. Just payt the $200.00 tax posted by Mustapha on August 12, 2000 at 20:51:34:
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In Reply to: Re: what is a blue yugo??? posted by Tom @ Buzzard Bluff on August 12, 2000 at 17:44:26:
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In Reply to: Re: Supersports posted by TCooper on August 12, 2000 at 20:24:32:
TC: you don't adjust the tension, Besides, the 'ears' are thicker and stiffer. Unlike HW's, the Supersport has a lateral groove machined across the bottom of the barrel on the breech end. There is a second pin that passes through the 'ears' that locates in this groove, which when under latching tension, helps maintain barrel straightness. It also pretty near eliminates a drooping barrel. Webley uses a similar arrangement on some of there breal-barrels. RB
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In Reply to: oh a yugo car our uncle had one(nt) posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 15:03:49:
Yugo!! You think that's bad. I used to drive a 1974 plastic pig with an orange interior.
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In Reply to: black birds and sparrows????????? posted by Gmackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 14:41:19:
I would watch out for the Plod. Blackbirds you will find are a protected, since they are classifed as song birds by HMS Govnt. Sparrows on the other hand are fair game.
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In Reply to: Re: Best Gun for under $100 posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 20:19:57:
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In Reply to: Re: Ply wood posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 20:22:15:
That's less than HALF an inch! 20 ft/lbs should make it thru that- especially with a hard pellet like a Premier. RB
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In Reply to: 6 Meter / Silhouette Pistol. Recommendations? posted by dscott on August 12, 2000 at 20:37:03:
If you are only shooting 6 meter sihlouette(POS shoots) the IZH-46 would be great.
If you want a decent gun that is lower in cost, try the P-3.
The TAU-7 is also a good silhouette gun for a full size course.
The "MAC-1 Custom Mark 1 Long Range Pistol" is a GREAT silhouette gun for a full length course(18m). This gun is a specialized piece for the elite taste.
HTH,
Todd
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In Reply to: Not illegal in the US. Just payt the $200.00 tax posted by GF on August 12, 2000 at 18:49:01:
Actually, the BATF only regulates silencers for use on firearms. Because airguns are not considered firearms by the BATF there use is perfectly legal.
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Hello, I am interested in starting a club in Central/northern NY. Something that could be enjoyed by airgunners of all calibers and ages. I myself am interested in competition and can not find anyone locally that has a league or a club. The nearest clubs are an hour away from me and all for junior/highschool ages shooters. If anyone in the Central/northern NY region are interested in starting/ joining an Airgunners association please contact me.
Bill Chase ammodawg18@aol.com
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In Reply to: Re: Air gun club near Ottawa? (Ontario, Canada).....nt posted by Pel-It on August 12, 2000 at 15:15:45:
Could you give info on the Toronto Air Gun Club?
I have been trying to find one here.
Thanks
Lew
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I am looking for a 6 meter / silhouette combination air pistol. What would you recommend? I want to buy once and buy right, so do not consider cost in your recommendation. Thanks!
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I am looking for a 10 meter / silhouette combination air rifle. What would you recommend? I want to buy once and buy right, so do not consider cost in your recommendation. With out knowing more, I guess I would want a rifle that would accept both peep sights and a scope. Thanks!
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In Reply to: An update for everyone posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 11, 2000 at 22:02:16:
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In Reply to: Re: Ply wood posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 20:15:47:
If you hang your target in the same place and are a reasonably good shot you will chew through it eventually.
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In Reply to: Re: Supersports posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 17:38:33:
Is the barrel pivot pin a punch fit with the SS?
My HW has a threaded pivot bolt.
How would the pivot point be tightened if it was only a pressure fit???
How do you eliminate side play between the receiver ears when it needs adjusting?
Todd
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In Reply to: Re: Ply wood posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 20:15:47:
OOPS!!! It was 7/16 of a inch thick.
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In Reply to: Best Gun for under $100 posted by shooter on August 12, 2000 at 19:56:19:
Crosman's 2240 and 2250 are pretty good for co2. Take a look at the Benjamin& Sheridan pump pistols too. RB
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In Reply to: Best Gun for under $100 posted by shooter on August 12, 2000 at 19:56:19:
Ben,
I hear the Daisy 717 is a great pistol for the money. One pump. Never shot one but you can find it on their web site. I just ordered a Beeman p3 a few minutes ago. Only shot it a couple of times but it sure is sweat. Not much power but pretty accreate and a great trigger!!!
Gary
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In Reply to: Ply wood posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 20:11:15:
If it's truly an inch thick- probably not. Plywood is pretty tough. RB
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In Reply to: gamo 440 hardwoods hunter posted by roger on August 12, 2000 at 19:56:02:
Well- it's somewhat less that 1000 fps with 'normal' weight pellets. It's not bad, but you could do better for ther money. If you break anything, Gamo must fix it, as parts are not available for repairs by owners or airgunsmiths. No aftermarket parts either. RB
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In Reply to: Re: BS HB series air pistols? Ok Russ, (or anyone) what do you know about these? posted by Joe S on August 12, 2000 at 17:47:39:
Thanks Joe, - going there now ;)
Tim
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Would a 20 fpe gun in .22 cal. go through a piece
of 1 inch thick ply wood at 20 yards?
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In Reply to: Re: BS HB series air pistols? Ok Russ, (or anyone) what do you know about these? posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 17:14:47:
Thanks Russ, I'll chk it out sometime (we also have a SA nearby in Orange that's a little closer - but I haven't really investigated it much yet. Do most of my 'researching' and buying right over the net so far.)
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: BS HB series air pistols? Ok Russ, (or anyone) what do you know about these? posted by DaveG on August 12, 2000 at 17:09:48:
Primarily indoor and backyard plinking with the pistol- really just fun. This gun struck me with it's looks and I like the idea of a spring or pneumatic pump. I've never fired a CO2 powered anything , so they're all very unfamiliar to me. I like the idea of the gun always being 'ready when I am' and not having to worry about the varying pressure of a cartridge (or whether or not I even have any available ;) It's enough for me to ensure I always have *pellets* on hand as it is :)
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: " the eye thing " posted by CharlesC on August 12, 2000 at 16:59:40:
I can empathize with the powder gun. I've never shot one, but my very first experience shooting as a kid in the Boy Scouts was a bolt action single shot .22 rimfire - kept catching the ejected shells in my face each time I pulled the bolt back, lol.
The 'eye thing' is an interesting circumstance. I've always been left handed, but was always 'right eye' dominant. When I was shooting a .45 in the service much effort was put into trying to persuade me to shoot with my right hand. Just couldn't do it to save my life.
Then, when I shot with my left hand (cross sighting, as you mentioned) I began shooting well enough to actually be considered for the post's pistol team! (My CO wouldn't let me go - damn him ;)
However, I lost the sight in my right eye a few yrs back and now have no hand/eye conflict whatsoever ...lefty all the way, and usually that works in my favor - I don't think I could shoot (as has already been tried) as effectively with my right hand.
I have to admit though, it's been since that time in the service that I've tried, so maybe it'd be worth giving a shot again.
Thanks for the thought
Tim
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In Reply to: Visiting the Alamo Tomorrow posted by chasm on August 12, 2000 at 00:01:11:
I visted there in 69 on my big day out from basice training USAF. Still is a special place in my mind.
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In Reply to: spring life posted by sid edgewater on August 12, 2000 at 18:57:52:
Sid: The same springs are used, regardless of the caliber. Why do .22's that use heavier pellets have the same spring life as .177's ? Because the size of the bore presents a larger area at the back of the pellet for the pulse of air to work against. A spring doesn't feel any more stress shooting a 12 grain .22 than it 'feels' shooting an 8 gr. 177.. Manufacturers don't generally warn you about heavy pellets or light pellets. This may sound cynical, but it gives them an 'out' on warranties (abuse) and they make money from the parts they sell. The sale of airguns isn't the only way they generate income. Perhaps someday they will warn potential owners about things like this, but like other industries, they may not do so until they are pressured. Look at all the unwary folks who buy chamber and spring oils- it's another money maker; and a way to get out of warranty repairs. RB
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What would you consider to be the best pistol for under $100? I would like a good quality gun that is fun to shoot as I will mainly be doing recreational shooting. Thanks
Ben
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an advertised 1000fps!!! what is everyones opinion on this gun
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In Reply to: License for taking non game animals? posted by Steve on August 12, 2000 at 13:16:56:
Yes, you do need a hunting licence in California. See the attached link at the California DFG...
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/title/d2_c6.html
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In Reply to: License for taking non game animals? posted by Steve on August 12, 2000 at 13:16:56:
Crows may be protected to some extent and will probably require a license. But Ferral Rock Doves (WILD pigeons), Starlings and English Sparrows do not require a license in any state that I have ever lived in. These are considered non native pests. If you are shooting pigeons just be sure they are ferral. The easiest way to tell is whether they have leg bands. If the pigeons you are seeing have leg bands they are likely to be domestic pigeons. Ferral and Domestic pigeons look exactly alike to the non pigeon person. Be sure of your target before you pull the trigger.
The only other thing that might get in you trouble is knowing where you pellets are going. Just know the range of your weapon and be sure that you can't possibly cause callatoral damage.
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How do heavy pellets break springs?Do the manufacturers warn about using heavy pellets when you buy one of their guns? Why don't pellet makers warn shooters about their heavy pellets? Since heavy pellets can wear out a spring quickly,what do the manufacturers do when they put higher caliber barrels on same makes of guns?
For instance,if you can get the RWS48 in 177 and 22 calibers,does each caliber for that gun have a different spring? I have read that heavy pellets wear the springs out fast for that gun.Isn't the lightest 22 cal pellet heavier than the heaviest 177?So why then doesn't the spring on the 22 wear out ultra quick compared to the same gun in 177? I picked the 48 only because it came to mind first.I'm sure there are other guns out there that poop out with heavy pellets too.
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In Reply to: EXCELLENT RWS 48/52/54 info here: posted by peter huppertz on August 12, 2000 at 11:59:41:
Thank's Peter:
It's a good advice. I'll do it. Any case I've no iron sight on the gun since I received it. Just took'em off. If you have other valuable advices for the sidelevers, just send'em to me. The idea about the RWS54 page was to share info among owners.
Keep shooting...
Roland
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In Reply to: silencers posted by me on August 12, 2000 at 18:28:42:
Depending on where you are, they are not neccessarily illegal (I think that they are legal in the UK, don't know about US, Canada or elsewhere). If you are looking for something to give weight to the front end, increase accuracy, or just make your gun look cool, you may want to consider a Muzzle Brake as a cheaper alternative. But if you really want to decrease noise, you will need a silencer.
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In Reply to: Re: silencers posted by Coy Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 18:33:55:
Silencers are not illegal in the US. Just pay the $200 tax and you can build one or buy (build and buy are not the same form). I have a legal silencer on my Anschutz 22LR. Any silencer that could be attached to firearm (any firearm) is subject to the tax. Airguns that are imported with permanentaly attached silencers (ie Air Arms TX200 which I also have) are exempt. It is probably not a good idea to get caught with a silencer without paying the tax as the fine can be $10,000 (plus prison).
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In Reply to: R9 scope posted by Pepi on August 11, 2000 at 22:36:59:
It's the one that comes with the Goldfinger combo that I purchased and it really works well. Golden Toller has them separately for $92 plus mounts, I guess. That's a good price.
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In Reply to: Neither. posted by peter huppertz on August 12, 2000 at 10:05:39:
NT
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In Reply to: silencers posted by me on August 12, 2000 at 18:28:42:
THERE ILLEGAL!!!
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does anyone make a silencer for an air rifle or pistol. please email me with info if so.
thanks
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In Reply to: Re: Supersports posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 17:38:33:
I was refering to the pivot pin, and then the pin for the cocking linkage, or do you not want to take that pin out. I just took it apart, is it just a matter of pulling the two fingered (w/spacer) linkage that pushes the sear back when cocking, as well as reattaching the spring to the trigger(anti-beartrap?) along with the obvious pivot pin. That was a beauty of a run on sentence. Anyways, I appreciate your help Russ. Thanks again
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: BS HB series air pistols? Ok Russ, (or anyone) what do you know about these? posted by Tir on August 12, 2000 at 16:46:39:
Try D&R Sports Center. I got good prices from them and fast delivery. www.dnrsports.com
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In Reply to: Supersports posted by Quack on August 12, 2000 at 17:28:46:
Paul, Dave Slade told me you will pickup about 10-15fps. if you install the .177 ram in a .22 SS. That is, 10-15fps. over what the original spring version of your .22 was.
Although I have no first hand experience at swapping barrels between the two rifles, I would say if BSA held close tolerances, you should have no problem.
I would think if you just pull the breech block pin, the whole cocking arm/linkage should also fit. I wouldn't think the cocking arm is any different either. Don't hold me to that, I don't know for sure.
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In Reply to: Re: what is a blue yugo??? posted by Ryp on August 12, 2000 at 17:21:18:
RYP, I still have a permanantly strained spincter muscle from driving a VW camper across the Mackinaw bridge nearly 20 years ago. Not for the faint of heart in high winds. Cheers, Tom
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In Reply to: Re: Beeman S1? posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 17:41:57:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: Beeman S1? posted by Nigel Z on August 12, 2000 at 17:36:03:
Yes they do. I have the Beeman GS1000 and GS-700 here- all Norica's, as well as a Norica 61-C for my some and a Norica 80-G of my own. The 80-G is the most accurate of them, featuring a factory peep sight and a copy of HW's Rekord trigger. RB
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In Reply to: Supersports posted by Quack on August 12, 2000 at 17:28:46:
Two pins? Only one will allow removal- the pivot pin. Support the 'ear' on the side opposite the side you are punching to avoid spreading the 'ears'and developing excess side play. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Beeman S1? posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 17:11:51:
Does Norica make other guns too? Any S1 owners out there? Please tell about your experiences.
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I got lookin at my SS today and am contemplating buying a .22 SS and swap out the barrels from my Gas Rammed .177 SS. Is there much to switching out the barrels besides punching the 2 pins? I would think that these pin diameters are the same from gun to gun, just want to make sure that I don't have any problems. Thanks for your responces,
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: An update for everyone posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 11, 2000 at 22:02:16:
N/T
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In Reply to: Re: Why CRX Hard To Cock? posted by CJ on August 12, 2000 at 07:56:53:
The gun is broke in. I don't think that is it. It is almost as though there is something stopping the bolt from traveling all the way back to allow it to cock.
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In Reply to: And they make you shoot better too. posted by BSJ on August 11, 2000 at 22:01:23:
Brian: it's true ! My yellow Mac-1 T lulls me into a sense of overconfidence too! heh heh Russ
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In Reply to: what is a blue yugo??? posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 14:56:04:
A yugo is the kind of car that ran off the side of the Mackinaw Bridge and plunged into the water. Not good in high winds, I guess.
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In Reply to: Re: SURVEY: Damage posted by Pepi on August 12, 2000 at 15:23:11:
Are you alluding to the movie "A Christmas Story," where the kid wants a Red Ryder BB gun? (It has this "thing in the stock which tells time.") Throughout the movie he is told (by parents, teacher, even Santa), "you'll shoot your eye out, kid!"
He of course gets the gun for Christmas and nearly shoots his eye out - luckily he wears glasses! Very funny movie!!
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In Reply to: Re: ProPoint on a BSA SuperStar posted by Gary on August 12, 2000 at 16:26:18:
nt
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In Reply to: BS HB series air pistols? Ok Russ, (or anyone) what do you know about these? posted by Tir on August 12, 2000 at 16:46:39:
Tim: Sports Authority in North Haven carries a fair lineup of Crosman, Benj/Sher, Gamo, and even a couple Beeman guns. RB
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In Reply to: Beeman S1? posted by Nigel Z. on August 12, 2000 at 16:25:17:
Nigel: the Beeman S-1 is made by Norica in Spain. It was an intro model into the Beeman line. The better Beeman springers are german made. You could also look at the BSA Supersport for $185, imported by Precision Sales Int'l. Both guns produce similar power, plus the BSA can be had in .22 caliber if you so desire. Either gun will provide lots of fun. RB
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In Reply to: BS HB series air pistols? Ok Russ, (or anyone) what do you know about these? posted by Tir on August 12, 2000 at 16:46:39:
Tim, I used to have one of those bad boys a while back... They hit real hard, but accuracy is not that great. Stiff trigger too...
What is your main use for the gun going to be? There may be some others that fit that orice range that may give better results...
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Re: looking for good pcp. any sugg. r welcome... posted by john from NY on August 12, 2000 at 00:32:27:
the supertwelves are going for somewhere around $1300 U.S. ...
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Re: Price posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 15:05:36:
If you go to the home page of this forum, there are tons of links to dealers and such, where you can get lots of info on lots of guns and stuff...
you can get there by clicking on the "airgun letter" link at the top of this page, and then once on the home page, go under the resources section, and it will take you to a page with bunches of links... I recommend such site as straight shooters, as they have tested many of the populer guns, and have right ups as well as charts and stuff... as well as comprehensive price lists... Also, when looking for additional pricing, it might be a good idea to check out the American Airguns Classifieds to see what is selling for what... you can get there through the resources section as well.
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Re: Baikal 53M? Is anyone familiar with this pistol? posted by Tir on August 12, 2000 at 16:33:05:
I'm mildly left eye dominate and shoot my IZH-46 right handed. I cross sight and am very accurate shooting it that way. Oddly enough I'm completely ambidextrious shooting a rifle and sometimes switch sides in the middle of a shooting session to see which way I'm shooting best that day. I had to learn to shoot rifles right handed when I started shooting black powder muzzle loaders. Way too much fire and brimstone in front of your face to shoot a right hand muzzle loader left handed.
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I'm looking at Crosmans' website and these pneumatic pumps look like fun - anyone nkow any dealers where they can be found?
(Looks like a pretty ambidextrous grip I could handle with my 'wrong hand')
Thanks again ... pistols are a whole new deal for me here ... I've always looked right past them before - now they've caught my eye and I can't remember all the places I've come across them before.
Tim
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
with the Sheridan C model I gave him for squirrel control a couple years ago. He had it in corner of porch, pumped, cocked, and yes, loaded. His fault there, and MY FAULT for 'checking the trigger pull'. ooops. I repair so many guns I am used to checking trigger/sear engagement. Guess I got totally careless-I know, all guns are always loaded. Not to fond of his keeping it pumped and loaded and cocked-another error! alan in ga.
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In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2240 posted by Howard on August 11, 2000 at 19:44:52:
:~)
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In Reply to: Re: Baikal 53M? Is anyone familiar with this pistol? posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 16:14:45:
Ack!..... damn - I knew there was going to be a hitch - I'm about as 'lefty' as they get shooting - have no choice (the eye thing, ;)
Thanks Russ for the info. ... I'll keep looking then.
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: ProPoint on a BSA SuperStar posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 14:10:53:
Thanks Russ
Maybe I'll try to get a hold of Tasco. You wouldn't have a url for em would ya?
Gary
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I am looking to get my first airgun.I saw a Beeman s1 at a store for $169. It shoots at 900 fps. Would this be a good gun for a beginner? The man at the store said Beeman is best. Has anyone ever used one of these? Could I get a better gun than that for a price in that same neighborhood?
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In Reply to: Baikal 53M? Is anyone familiar with this pistol? posted by Tir on August 12, 2000 at 15:41:20:
Tim: The grips are dull black plastic. I've chronied it with 7.9 CP's at 285 fps and Wasps shoot at around 380 fps. The trigger is adjustable as are the sights, but it tends to shoot high even with the sights lowered all the way-(at least the one I'm using does). It groups OK once you have the hang of it, but being a spring pistol, there is some jump when the gun is fired. It's fairly quiet, and should fill the bill for impromptu backyard plinking. It's definitely a RH pistol--- no lefties. RB
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In Reply to: License for taking non game animals? posted by Steve on August 12, 2000 at 13:16:56:
Usually unless you are on your own property you will need a license. States want the money and second how does Game warden know what you are hunting, game or non-game? Sometimes just out target shooting or plinking can get you in trouble if you do not have a license.
Best always to call local DNR and ask them.
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In Reply to: rws45 Front sight posted by Jose M on August 12, 2000 at 14:11:57:
It has a single screw that tightens it on the dovetail grooves, just loosen it and the whole sight will slide off. Cheers!
Unc
P.S.: How's the possum hunting going? [GRIN!]
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
I adjusted a trigger a bit light and applied moly.
I cocked the gun and a .177 cal pellet hit a native art painting in my basement and lodged into the tungue and groove cedar behind it.
It's a good thing my wife doesn't like the painting. Yard sale product anyway.
The hole in the wall kinda peed me a bit.
Considering the many, many thousands of pellets I have shot in my basement , I'm doing pretty good.
Todd
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In Reply to: Re: Warning to Canadians! Airguns are now " weapons " under the criminal code! posted by Mikey on August 12, 2000 at 14:28:00:
Join the NRA and get out and vote. Your vote really does count. If not! DON'T COMPLAIN!!!
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I'm thinking I may try to pick up an airpistol, just for fun, to go along with the couple of rifles I have. I came across this on the Golden Toller site but can't find much info or reviews on it.
The price at under $50.00 is certainly right - but how much does accuracy and appearance suffer for it? Are the grips wood or synthetic (plastic?).
Any thoughts or reviews would be helpful, thanks.
Tim
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
i shot between the power lines going to an aluminum trailer. there was a blinding blue flash followed by a loud pop. now, whenever we have a good rain, you can feel a little shock when you open the door.
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In Reply to: Cody, listen to Peter on this one... posted by Lee Chastant on August 12, 2000 at 13:34:33:
I have an HW30 and both my 11yr old son and I both enjoy it - the R7 has also impressed a lot of people from what I've read. Either one would be a better fit for your size and the cocking effort is half of that required for some of the magnum springers.
hth,
Tim
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
i was fiddling with the triger and pop 1 22rws super point into the foot
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In Reply to: Re: SURVEY: Damage posted by Pepi on August 12, 2000 at 15:23:11:
nt
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I went hunting today with a freind( he invited me over to his farm) hes just got a 177 pro elite(with open sights).
We started early about 7am at the woods taking any bird we saw(except nice birds).Well i took aim with his new PE ,its a very nice rifle, on a starling and fired the pellet ,struck low
and hit an apple,the apple just fell to bits and the starling flew off.so i recocked the rifle and while thumbing a pellet into the breech spotted that lucky starling again,this time i had
a clear shot at it it was giving me your a crap shot and you cant hit me look, well it was wrong the 177 cp light drilled straight throught its head. turned out thats all i got that day but it was fun it was also my first time using 177 for hunting
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
Shot my eye out ;)
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In Reply to: Re: Air gun club near Ottawa? (Ontario, Canada).....nt posted by Pel-It on August 12, 2000 at 15:15:45:
nt
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In Reply to: Air gun club near Ottawa? (Ontario, Canada).....nt posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:15:25:
Nearest one that I know about is in Toronto and nothing closer; not enough of us around!!!
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In Reply to: well i would recommend it then it would be fine posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 15:12:27:
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In Reply to: well i would recommend it then it would be fine posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 15:12:27:
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In Reply to: Re: well kinda depends on what your going to use it for posted by evil_guy on August 12, 2000 at 15:11:30:
enjoy it!!!!
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In Reply to: well kinda depends on what your going to use it for posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 15:10:07:
just shooting paper targets, tin cans and the occasional rat
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In Reply to: Re: oh ok where you going to buy it??? posted by evil_guy on August 12, 2000 at 15:08:43:
also MAINTAIN it very well or it will go crappy
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
Well one a bb bounced off a piece of wood and hit
me in the leg. And once (or more like 10 times)
I shot my self in the foot with a very cheap piece of
crap gun. It only stung a little. No bruises.
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In Reply to: oh ok where you going to buy it??? posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 15:07:13:
mabey budget guns and tackle, so your recomending the b45.3 now?
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In Reply to: Re: chinese pump= b45.3(in britain) posted by evil_guy on August 12, 2000 at 15:05:56:
Budget guns and tackle???? also dont buy any smk scopes/mounts and pellets
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In Reply to: Re: chinese pump= b45.3(in britain) posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 15:02:37:
i live in England / hampshire and those statistitcs seem better than the crosman 2100
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In Reply to: Re: Price posted by john from NY on August 12, 2000 at 14:45:02:
Jhon Sa., I'm not going to buy that gun. I was just
wanted to know how much one costs.
<:-@
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In Reply to: Re: what is a blue yugo??? posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 15:00:32:
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In Reply to: Re: chinese pump= b45.3(in britain) posted by evil_guy on August 12, 2000 at 14:56:22:
velocity @ 6 pumps=
accupell 730.9
super h pel 749.4
bisley long range gold 761.7
smk domes(crap) 756.4
and accuarcy[in inches] at 30yrds=
accupell 1
super h points 0.89
bisly lrg 1.54
smk domes(crap) 1.49
PS where do you live???
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
My uncle has an old Ford pickup in the woods behind his yard from the early 1960's. He lets me shoot it whenever I want. theres no windows, the tires are crap, completely rusted over, and it still runs!
-john
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In Reply to: what is a blue yugo??? posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 14:56:04:
A yugoslavian mode of conveyance of dubious quality. Don't know much about cars, eh?
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In Reply to: chinese pump= b45.3(in britain) posted by GMackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 14:54:14:
could u please give me some statistics like fps, accuracy
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In Reply to: Re: SURVEY: Damage posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 14:54:27:
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In Reply to: crosman 2100 or chinease pump posted by evil_guy on August 12, 2000 at 14:49:58:
nt
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Hi sorry i forgot to post my e-mail address ...........kac1345@aol.com
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
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In Reply to: SURVEY: Damage posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 14:50:27:
Took out a blue Yugo that was 'nesting' in the woods. RB
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In Reply to: starlings, sparrows, crows, etc. (nt) posted by Steve on August 12, 2000 at 14:19:37:
There probably legal to shoot any time. Call up the DEC or whoever makes the hunting rules in your area for specifics. I know there is a season for crows in NY.
-john
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In Reply to: crosman 2100 or chinease pump posted by evil_guy on August 12, 2000 at 14:49:58:
not worth it!!! i would get the 2100 or 2200 they have more power aswell
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In Reply to: Re: black birds and sparrows????????? posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 14:51:49:
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In Reply to: black birds and sparrows????????? posted by Gmackeddie on August 12, 2000 at 14:41:19:
GM: since you aren't in the US, why would we object? Over here, some blackbird species are protected. RB
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What's the most damage you've ever done (accidental or intentional) with an Airgun? Ex. Broken windows, punctured tires, etc.
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could anyone tell me the pro's and con's of both the crosman 2100b and a chinease multi pump rifle i don't know its name but it has a 12 shot bolt action 6 pump rifle i would also like to know which is better.
Thanx
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In Reply to: Re: whats the best gun for $150 posted by john from NY on August 12, 2000 at 12:38:19:
As Russ said, a Super sport is only $30 more from precision-sales.com. that would probably be a better choice.
-john from NY
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In Reply to: Price posted by Cody Dottter on August 12, 2000 at 14:31:47:
A new one from Cabelas costs $484.99. a used mint condition would go for, (my guess), about $400.
I really, really think you should get a different gun. The 54 is simpley to big and hard to cock for a 4'8" 11 year old. You might want to look at the BSA Super sport instead for around $200.
-good luck
john
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In Reply to: Anyone ever tried the crossman Auto Air 2? Comments?.....nt posted by Steve T on August 12, 2000 at 13:28:42:
Steve: I've had one for quite a while (back when they were gray and no dovetail). Almost completely plastic, shoots steel BBs, 60-70 shots per cartidge, accuracy is good enough for cans to maybe fifteen yards. This is interesting with the BBs bouching all over. Good for hip shooting if you can handle a double action revolver (it's strickly double action), load the magazine and party. Total trash, but fun trash...
I don't shoot it all that much anymore so I can't comment on overall longevity.
HTH - Steve B.
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we FAr to many of both of these birds.In less than one week they ate the crop of 2 redcurent bushes i was just wondering about thining there numbers out. Any objections???
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Around how many $$$ should a RWS Model 54 in .22 cal.
used in mint condition with NO modifications cost?
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In Reply to: Warning to Canadians! Airguns are now " weapons " under the criminal code! posted by Fearon Steele on August 12, 2000 at 01:47:18:
I am a Canadian living very close to Toronto and although I understand what you are saying there have been a couple of robberies locally where the criminal was using a pellet gun. Problem was that some pellet guns look so real that the police have no idea if it is real or not. I hate the fact that Airguns are so feared in Canada but as far as the Cops go in thier place I would not take a chance either.
Just some thoughts.....
Mikey
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Hi I have a crow magnum that I have only shot around 100 times it is still like new .....no scratches or dings!! lookes like it just came out of the box. I just don't have time to use it so am selling! I have shot a few groups with it at 25yards and it shoots kodiac match around 3/8" If you are interested I can send pics of the gun and groups. asking $700.00 buyer pays shipping.I live in santa rosa ca. Please e-male me in private.
Thanks Keith.
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In Reply to: Beeman R10 RWS SuperMags. posted by James McAllister on August 12, 2000 at 12:58:51:
James: the 9.5 Supermags are about as heavy as I'd go. The heavy Premiers shoot well, but you may wind up replacing your spring prematurely. For some, that's no biggy; so if you don't mind- try the Premiers. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: What kind of animals? (nt) posted by john from NY on August 12, 2000 at 13:23:03:
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In Reply to: The disneyization of America. posted by John Sa. on August 11, 2000 at 22:56:57:
Well said. I will recount events which occured a couple of years ago in a rural area in which my twin brother has resided for 25 yrs.
The stock [cattle mostly] kept by the local agricultural college was suffering nocturnal attacks by packs of dogs. The area had, over the years become popular with people wishing to live in the bush and commute to a large industrial city approximately 20 miles distant.
The woman who runs the college placed an advertisement in the local newspaper advising that poison baits were to be laid on the propert, and the reason for this. She had no intention of laying baits but thought that the advertisement may cause the owners of the animals to be more responsible.
The attacks ceased, FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS! then back to business as usual! We spent four nights freezing our butts off and shot fully 20% of the local pet dogs. [a Remington 700VS and a Remington 700VSSF,both in .308] The local law then delivered the registration tags to the former owners.
These weasels were most distressed that their animals had been shot. I feel that had the law not been involved we may have been offered violence by some of those effected, without exception they thought they had been hard done by.
The poor bloody dogs were unfortunate enough to be owned by irresponsible airheads, it saddened both of us every time a dog went down.There was no alternative unfortunately.The problem has not yet reoccured.
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Hi,
How can I remove the front sight of this rifle??. Thx in advance.
Regards.
Jose M
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In Reply to: ProPoint on a BSA SuperStar posted by Gary on August 12, 2000 at 11:39:50:
If it'll properly fit the 14mm wide rails- it could be interesting. RB
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In Reply to: whats the best gun for $150 posted by glenn on August 12, 2000 at 12:29:34:
Possibly a B-22 from Funsupply. For $30 more, you can get a BSA Supersport. RB
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In Reply to: BSA SS .22 Barrels posted by Quack on August 12, 2000 at 12:20:49:
I asked the same question but for a .177 barrel.
I was told for about the same price you can get the entire gun. But if I'm sure Precision Sales would be able to get it. If not, direct you.
Good luck,
Keep us posted
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In Reply to: To Mike: posted by peter huppertz on August 12, 2000 at 09:18:39:
I just finished answering Happy and THEN I read your post! lol! As far as the other post, I know he was just asking and I was just answering too. Peter, it seems to me if the guy had a question, he should have just asked instead of hinting around and beating the bush with all these "meta-message" questions. If the guy wants to spend a paragraph and a half beating around the bush, that is his perogative. I just thought I would cut to the chase and answer the question.
To tell the truth, it wouldn't hurt for me to "get off my crotchety-high horse" now and so I will!
Sorry JRW! Didn't mean to sound so darn testy!
Take Care, Mike
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In Reply to: Re: To Happy Gardener and JRW posted by HG on August 12, 2000 at 09:20:32:
I don't think so! I have an RX-1 and I love the gun. It and the Vortek Kodiak (.25) are my two all-around favorite hunting guns BUT if my goal was to shoot smaller pest birds (even in the head), I'd choose the 54 over even these two EVERY SINGLE TIME! Sow's ear indeed! Fire one first before you editorialize! It's obvious you haven't fired a 54! --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: Recoilless logic? posted by peter huppertz on August 12, 2000 at 09:28:05:
Peter, you have to recock the gun and replace the gun into your shoulder for the next shot anyways!
I typically use a pellet hole in the target for my zeroing-in aimpoint. I hit said pellet hole and do so consistently. With the 54, it's not that big of a deal. But every time I shot, I had to recock the gun and place another pellet in which was hard on my sight picture!;) In other words, I think this is totally irrelevent! There are other reasons the 54 isn't accepted (high energy probably being the main culprit).Although the trigger isn't bad, I do think that FT shooters demand even better triggers. BTW, field of view isn't jerked from your eye (at least not from my gun). It comes straight back and very fast too. Tell you the truth, I never notice it. All I can say is that from a rest, this is the easiest airgun I've ever shot (never fired a pcp) for accuracy and that says it all! --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Seen feral dogs tear up a small critter? posted by Michael A on August 12, 2000 at 11:46:04:
What are 'feral dogs'???
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In Reply to: Re: Dogs in Rural Country posted by Blackleather on August 12, 2000 at 11:20:32:
HEHEHE...Hey Blackleather, I have a better solution.
A MINI VULCAN bb machine gun with 5000 bb's set up
in a sniper tower. With a 3-7X scope. HEHEHE
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In Reply to: Re: To Mike: posted by HG on August 12, 2000 at 09:37:09:
Until Peter's example, I have never heard of an inaccurate 54. Just goes to show you anything's possible!
I can't answer whether or not, the extra accuracy potention of a typical 54 is worth the extra outlay of cash or not. I can tell you that with a good scope, the 54 is a headshooter on birds at 50+ yards. No, it's not a carry-around type of gun but for shooting in the backyard, who cares?
Shooting from a rest, the 54 just might be the ULTIMATE backyard gun. It's extremely accurate, effortlessly easy to shoot (from a rest) and very quiet IMO. Add to that the fact that it is also very powerful and you have a heck of a combination!
I also have the 48 (have had a couple 48's and a 52). These are fine guns but nowhere near as easy to hit with from a rest as the 54. If price is a concern, go with the 48 and practice. It's a good gun and you can learn to become very accurate with it indeed! But from a rest, the 54 is immensely easier to shoot. --- Mr.P
As far as scopes, Peter hit the proverbial homerun with his post.
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In Reply to: Okay people I need your help posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 09:41:47:
I think that you were more on the right track with one of the Benjamin/Sheridan/Crosman pumpers. They are more suited to your size & strength, don't have the recoil & hold sensitivity problems, and offer a variety of power settings by varying the number of pumps. They are accurate, can take just about any scope without fear of damage, and the fact that they are a little louder than a springer doesn't matter since you live in the country. I shot my old Benjamin .177 from 1958 until 1996 with excellent results & no problems. They require little maintenance & can take the abuse of crawling through the woods & being dropped & come up working fine. Ok, so you have to pump them up... consider it as portable gym equipment & just alternate arms! ;-) If you decide to go this route, I can send you a set of scope mounts that are made to clamp on the little barrel of this type of airgun - hard to find & kind of expensive, or at least they used to be. I'll donate them to the cause in order to encourage your selection of an airgun that fits your physical requirements. Don't be offended because we don't think a springer (especially a high power magnum model) is beyond you right now - you will grow into them in a few years & be able to enjoy them much more at that time. Have a good one!
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In Reply to: Targets posted by Mike Lee on August 12, 2000 at 13:13:29:
I'm confortable with shooting game animals like squirrels.
Also birds like starling. Rats too. I wouldn't be
comfotable shooting domestic animals like cats and
dogs. Or shooting people.
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Thank you to everybody that gave me an informative reply to "Recoilless logic." My question was purely academic.I would still be ignorant had I not asked the question. Had I seen and shot a real 54 the question probably would not have been posted.I got some excellent answers from the replies.
I am just getting into airgunning. Like so many other stories I've heard/read,I got started with airgunning due to backyard squirrel problems. Without any research,armed only with the knowledge of my boyhood experience with a Crossman Powermaster,I went into the local Big 5 and within 10 minutes walked out with a Beeman S1(.177) and a tin of Bearcubs. My interest has continually grown from there. Once I aimed at and dispatched my first squirrel I was hooked. Now I am on my second S1(the first jammmed and wouldn't break open),have a cheap Bushnell from the same store which was soon replaced with a Trophy 4-12, and an RWS54 ordered from SS. After all of the reading and talking to other airgunners,I decided I wanted recoilless.I did not want the extra cost and hassle with tanks and pumps,etc. The only product option I could afford to meet my wants was the 54.I eagerly await its arrival.I'm sure that I will get years of enjoyment from it. So,for now I shoot my S1(hopefully this one will not jam shut),and wait for the 54. Once I actually get one to use my opinions can actually be based on my own experiences. Regards JRW
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In Reply to: License for taking non game animals? posted by Steve on August 12, 2000 at 13:16:56:
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In Reply to: Avoid Hassles With Busybodys and The Law posted by Happy Gardener on August 12, 2000 at 11:06:04:
Massachusetts is pretty clear about hunting on private land and puts the onus squarely on the owners. If they don't want you around....0
"Must be posted conspicuously" which is maybe every 100 feet or so.
I guess with this law if you skrew up there "will" be a decision in court!
Of course, then you have to be aware of the town laws as well.
It's all a wicked bouliabase(sp?)....
The law that is!!!
You're right about the farmstand thing though...
probably everybody's best bet.
Stocky
PS I just heard from a very reliable source that BB guns(air power)...this includes pistols, can be bought/owned in Mass. without an FID of any level! Bought can be controlled by a town.
And supposedly this was brought about by people within the Mass.State Police organization.
I gotta look into this though...the guy who told me, though reliable, lives in a heavily wooded area with an unusual variety of wild mushrooms!
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In the state of california, is a hunting license required for taking non-game animals?
Chapter6, paragraph 472 states what animals may be taken, but I can't find whether a license is required or not.
( http://www.dfg.ca.gov/title/d2_c6.html ) Also Los angeles county prohibits the use of pistols and rifles for taking small game, but what about non-game animals?
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In Reply to: Re: Alamo defense simplified........ posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 11:33:04:
Those were the days huh Russ? heh,heh!
We would have them don their masks (this was regular party Russ that I'm describing ---- you described basic training and I went through that hell too!lol!), do an airleak check and then take the thing off! They loved me for that!;) -- Mr.P
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Some people shoot at rats. Some shoot at birds. Some shoot at each other. My question: what animals do you feel are ok to shoot, which are not?
I haven't shot any animals and never will. This question is just out of curiosity.
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In Reply to: 1st Gun to teach 8 yr old posted by Ted August on August 11, 2000 at 17:52:28:
The Biathalon trainer is the best thing in my opinion. I've taught 1000's of new shooters with it. I have 25 I use for safe gun handling and they are very useful. They don't use CO2. The peeps give the easiest initial target acquisition. The stocks can be cut to the support rib with the same contour as at the rear and they can be used by sub juniors. I have taught good size five year olds with it.
First you bag the Biathalon pointing at a target(six o'clock hold). You have the whole group of kids look through the sight to get proper sight picture. Sight it at a turkey and tell everyone to make the turkey stand on the post. Sight the guns so they shoot center bull from a six oclock hold. This is the easiest way to get them on target.
Next. Look for goofy eyed kids. Those that are right handed with left eye dominate conditon or vice versa should be sorted out with the eye domination test. They will need special instructions. Have the whole group point the forefinger at a small object, then close the right eye. If the small object jumps off the finger the kid is right eye dominate. If they are also right handed they are the majority. The lefties will usually be left eye dominant so the small object will jump off the finger when the left eye is closed. The kids who are using the opposite eye to the way the want to hold the gun will need to figure out which is more comfortable. They need to either shoot with the non-dominant eye or they need to shoot from the opposite side than they will be comfortable with. It is awkward at first for them but they will get it if you are patient.
The most important thing is you are establishing proper gun handling, pointing, cocking, rendering safe and shooting. In this early phase of learning it is extraordinarily important to not let the kids get creative with unnauthorized cocking, loading, and shooting techniques. The game of shooting is a subcontious game if you do it enough. When you practice you must practice safe gun handling or you will be reinforcing habits which WILL CAUSE GRIEF. Don't be teaching kids if you don't know what you are doing or you are simply providing us with more loose cannons. And don't let them do it their way. You must reinforce the habits which will carry them forward to a lifetime of safe gun use.
Do not leave it cocked or loaded. Always open bolts, barrels, cocking levers or breeches when setting the gun down so that everyone can see it is disabled. Just open it and point downrange.
No pointing the gun at anything except a target.
No pulling or touching of triggers unless on the target.
On the Biathalon like all springers the barrel should be held during the loading phase and the trigger hand should be at the top of the gun forward of peep during the cocking stroke then use it to load.
Getting kids on target for the first time is one of the funnest things I can think of. I learn to shoot vicariously everytime. Giving back a little to the community is the easist thing I do. I'm a very lucky guy to do what I love and I like to share with others the joy of shooting.
The number one thing is to make sure you go in with the right attitude. Your there to have fun and to make sure the kids have safe fun.
If you teach the kids nothing else make sure they can all recognize an unsafe situation developing. If they go away with the knowledge to be able to sort out a safe gun handler from a loose cannon you have done a wonderful thing. You have empowered a kid to stay out of harms way and have given him/her the tools to be able to be in a shooting environment and gain respect from others who recognize the proper and safe gun handling techniques learned.
My Program (SBRC) is one of many nationwide that was funded by an NRA grant. Rangemasters are all voluntary so the programs proceeds and all donations go directly to support and promote safe gun handling.
Marksman, Beeman, Mac1, Daisy and many other manufacturers and individuals give product and financial support to the program whenever I ask them. The Brass in this industry know where the new blood is coming from and they provide support regularly. I thank them all for the past and future support.
Later
Tim
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Is it advisable to use these heavy (9.+)gn. heavy pellets in my .177 R10? Also CP heavies? The RWS SuperMag in my rifle is super accurate. Opinions please and thanks. James
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In Reply to: RWS stuff...Need HELP...Look inside... posted by Cody Dotter on August 11, 2000 at 22:49:04:
Dear Cody The RWS 48/52/54 are very hard on scopes and mounts, I have experience with 2 individual rifles that have done a lot of work.
Both rifles required shimming of the rear mount to avoid excessive internal elevation adjustment, I used shim brass folded double with a piece of approx 1.5mm resin cored solder at the fold [sort of inside the base of the U formed when you fold the brass]this stops the scope base riding over the top of the brass. The only mount with enough clamping force, apart from a Beeman "dampa mount" [$$$] I have found is the Sportsmatch mount out of the UK. A very tough scope is the Bushnell airgun scope in fixed 4X, mine has done 2000 rds without a problem, optically they are not brilliant but I find shooting with both eyes open helps to spot targets. I paid $140 Australian dollars [Pacific Peso] for mine a couple of years ago. Do not be discouraged by that figure, shooting stuff is really expensive over here. As far as the 54 is concerned, are they not much more expensive than the 52? They certainy are over here, one local dealer wants AU$650.00 for a 52 vs $800.00 for the 54. I gather from other posts that you are a young bloke, if so you will probably have much better eyes than most, why not learn to use the excellent iron sights fitted as standard? I only started using a scope in my mid 30s, shot hundreds of vermin over irons, I seriously contend that given young eyes there is no abvantage in scopes apart from on full on varmint rifles. Remember that you get very quick and precise range adjustment from the iron sights. Good luck.
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In Reply to: whats the best gun for $150 posted by glenn on August 12, 2000 at 12:29:34:
A Mac-1 tuned Crosman 2260 with a steroid valve for $140 might work.
www.mac1airgun.com
-john
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whats the best gun out there for $160 ?Rifle and something capable of small game hunting?
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I forgot how much they are and where are some places to get them? Thanks guys,
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: looking for good pcp. any sugg. r welcome... posted by pritam on August 12, 2000 at 00:08:31:
IMHO, you are going to have to spend a couple of hundred more than your budget allows unless you have the scuba tank, adaptors, yokes, etc. already. As for a gun in that range, I think your best bet is probably a Career 707 in .22 calibre. Although I don't know what a "Jeck" is I would suspect the Career would handle it. Keep an eye on the used guns pages or Airgun Ads for a used one. Next in price and performance would be a BSA Super 10.
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In Reply to: Airgun club in the Boston Area posted by Hector Gonzalez on August 12, 2000 at 08:41:37:
Braintree has a great club. They have a new indoor pistol range in one building and in another building is the old pistol range that is great for aiguns because most of the people use the new range.
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In Reply to: Crossman 66 powermaster repair. posted by Seppy on August 12, 2000 at 01:46:53:
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In Reply to: The Starling...Portrait Of A Killer posted by Steve Forbes on August 12, 2000 at 00:03:28:
Starlings, in addition to the general intelligence that characterizes all corvids, have two interesting physical features which have helped to make them extremely successful.
First, unlike most birds, the muscles which open the beak are almost as strong as those that close it. They use this facility as a "beater" to flush insects out of ground cover, and thus can generally feed much more efficiently than most native species.
Secondly, the lenses of their eyes are able to focus close-up and far away at the same time. Thus they can hunt and watch out for predators simultaneously--as you can imagine, a very useful detail in the natural world, or against airgunners!
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In Reply to: An update for everyone posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 11, 2000 at 22:02:16:
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In Reply to: Okay people I need your help posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 09:41:47:
I tend to agree with the gent who commented on excessive cocking effort etc. I have a 52 [in .22] which is a bit of a bodybuilder for the right arm. If you do buy one watch out for broken springs and speak to Jim Maccari for a permanent cure. His GSI kit gives better accuracy, less cocking effort [still a lot] and velocity of around 830FPS with RWS Superpoints [in .22] I am not a big fan of .177 in high power airrifles.
Good Luck.
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In Reply to: Re: Avoid Hassles With Busybodys and The Law posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 11:17:50:
When my spouse's Andover relatives found out what my hobbies were years ago they looked upon me as a cave dweller. Now I get a nice invite and they borrow my Connibears.
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In Reply to: Re: Recoilless logic? posted by Roland Martens on August 12, 2000 at 11:43:40:
Yes, one of the nice things about the RWS sidelevers is that it doesn't need any warming up whatsoever. Just take it out of the rack after having it sit there for a week, fire the first shot, and it's dead on.
By the way, Roland, your web site contains VERY good firsthand information on the RWS sidelevers! If I had awards to hand out, this week's award would be yours! Each and everyone interested in RWS sidelevers, go to the URL below.
Roland: one tip that I got from several others in the know:
- glue the barrel sleeve to the barrel! Loctite will do just fine. It's supposed to dampen barrel harmonics a bit, and even it if wouldn't do that, it'll cure the front sight falling off every 1000 shots.
peter
In Reply to: Re: Webley FX2000 vs Daystate Huntsman? posted by Art on August 11, 2000 at 09:23:00:
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In Reply to: RWS Diana Model 65 posted by Matt Judd on August 12, 2000 at 04:19:19:
Barrel-cocking recoilless target rifle, made in the 1960's. It has a manual barrel-lock lever and the famous Diana Giss-system double-piston recoil-eliminating system. It has an "Olympia" style rounded stock with pleasant old-syle lines, usually walnut though beech was also made, also some Tyroleans. Usually seen with a heavy removable barrel sleeve and match sights.
It's predecessor was the model 60 which had a trimmer stock and no barrel lock. It was followed by the model 66 which was the same action as the 65 in a more angular, 70's-style stock.
It was sold here under many names; as the Winchester 333, there was a recent article in Airgun Letter, which back issue you should buy. The model 60 was described in the same issue.
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In Reply to: Re: Trajectory problem solved pellet-dealer? posted by Hans on August 12, 2000 at 11:40:22:
He may not be the cheapest around, but he's surely the most helpful, knowledgeable and friendly pellet dealer around.
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In Reply to: Seen feral dogs tear up a small critter? posted by Michael A on August 12, 2000 at 11:46:04:
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In Reply to: It seems like the world posted by TimH on August 11, 2000 at 21:39:08:
It would change your mind about letting your children run loose on your spread.
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In Reply to: Recoilless logic? posted by JRW on August 12, 2000 at 01:06:52:
How do you shoot a regular springer? Let it float in your hands & pull the trigger. Action/reaction. The reactive mass, the whole rifle mass (In case an RX-1, about 9 lbs). In case of the 54, you can grasp the stoc firmly wherease the action+scope are floating on the rails. In this case the reactive mass is a bit less, let's say 6 lbs (4 lbs to the stock which remains out of the game in this case). So, some 30% more acceleration than that of an RX-1.
What scope? I have a Trophy 4-12 x 40 (some $155) on top of my 54, 5000 CP's .22 14.3 gr through without having even readjusted the mount screws.
Accuracy? Consistantly hit a sardine can at 85 Yds at the 1st shot without having shot the gun before! And the CP still passes the whole can at that dist. Quite a large backyard, isn't it?
Amazing is the word!
Happy shooting to all!
Roland
In Reply to: Re: Visiting the Alamo Tomorrow posted by Matt Donovan on August 12, 2000 at 00:09:45:
.....and check out how many Spanish names are on the memorial for the defenders out in front. While you're at it, read Travis' last letter out which is posted inside. If it doesn't raise the hair on the back of your neck you're dead.
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In Reply to: Trajectory problem solved. posted by peter huppertz on August 12, 2000 at 10:57:51:
who is your pellet dealer?
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Has anyone tried this combo? If so does it work and is it the way to go or are you better off with a scope? I was just tryin to keep the weight down.
Gary
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In Reply to: Re: Alamo defense simplified........ posted by Mike Pearson on August 12, 2000 at 09:24:19:
Jeez- and I thought the teargas building was bad enough! I damn near hacked up a lung trying to get through that. The problem with that building is that the entrances aren't directly across from each other, so when you run into the building,you cannot go straight, but have to hunt around for the exit. They also didn't allow us the use of a mask- we just held our breaths. To make this even tougher, it was situated in the middle of the obstacle course run, where we were already out of breath from exertion. Trying to hold your breath under thos circumstances is damn near impossible, Needless to say- I sucked in a huge lungful of the stuff ! The tears shot from my eyes like twin Supersoakers and my lungs turned inside out, but I still managed to keep running and finish the course. I'd rather crawl the minefield course 5 times than go through that building again! LOL RB
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In Reply to: Re: Alamo defense simplified........ posted by Mike Pearson on August 12, 2000 at 09:24:19:
Haha, ... anyone who's been through that particular experience will never likely forget it either. I know I won't.... Closest comparison would have to be like sticking your face in a fire (Really "in" the fire)- with smoke burning your lungs and eyes.
The NBC guys must laugh their tails off after each episode ;) It did do what it was designed to do - give you a healthy respect for the capabilities of the gas and make sure you 'pay attention' to the details of fitting the mask! One exposure to that stuff is definitely a lifetime's quota in my book.
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: Dogs in Rural Country posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 08:27:55:
I have an even better way. A savage 30/06 and a simmions 4X scope. With 165 grain softpoints.
Any dog on MY land (Not my own) gets a quick lesson in trespassing. They never do it again. ever! Seems to work
Blackleather
PS airgun content. I sometimes use a kodiak to discourage tresspas of feral cats.
BL
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In Reply to: Avoid Hassles With Busybodys and The Law posted by Happy Gardener on August 12, 2000 at 11:06:04:
Happy: such was the case with Martha Stewart. The local deer were chomping her extensive gardens and she was pissed! Even though it wasn't deer season, she put the word out that the deer HAD to go! I know, because I was there when she asked! RB
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In Reply to: Re: Where can i find info on diana airguns? NT posted by RBest on August 12, 2000 at 11:04:08:
Here a couple of links:
http://www.diana-airguns.de/english/index.html
http://www.dnrws.com/
http://www.straightshooters.com/ssmenu.html
Enjoy
In Reply to: Crosman 2240 posted by Gary on August 11, 2000 at 17:55:37:
Gary,
These little guns are an exellent value! Accurate, easly modified to a number of configurations, and can be bought a several stages of modification from several reputable dealers.
A stocker can be had , for around $40.
Too bad a repeater version is'nt out yet!
A good toy for you!
I put a 24" bbl on mine ,added some simple polishing and a sholder stock. WOW! Love it!
Dave N
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In Reply to: My Addiction posted by HG on August 12, 2000 at 10:21:15:
Try motorcycles and road racing bicycles, that'll cost you too.
In order to maintain my relationship, I have managed to drag my SO into my own addictions. This doubles the cost, since not only did she want her own bike and her own motorbike, but also her own FT rifle. But it's a surefire way of diminishing female impedance (she now KNOWS why I need a new scope, because yes, that Tasco is a POS, and the 18x Swift isn't that good at rangefinding), and one more terrific bonding excercise ;-)
Problem is, she's getting good at shooting -- we tied second place in the last FT match.
:-)
peter
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In Reply to: Dogs posted by Doc on August 12, 2000 at 10:14:54:
Sorry to hear that Doc. You didn't have a pistol handy? Do everything you can to get that Pit taken care of legally...it's gonna hurt another dog or kid one day. My dog got into it with a local junk yard dog and by the time I got my gun it was gone. I knew whose dog it was and went and put the fear of God in him...he has a pack of 'em that get loose once in a while, but not anymore. Got animal control involved and the cops. Took a long time but I don't ven hear his dogs barking at night anymore.
If his Pit were mauled by another dog I guarantee that he would see things differently. I keep a fiberglass fish billy handy when I walk my mutt...amazing how it can change a dogs attitude with just one good thump. Let us know how yer pup is doing.
Like this forum do you?
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Shooters and hunters are unwelcome in some areas. The best way is to avoid public areas. A jogger or dog walker will be on the cell phone in short order. Though you are perfectly legal the patrol car will soon arrive. All the PETA tire slashings and vehicle damage occurs on public land in my area. You need permission to shoot on private land. One good place to start is by visiting local farmstands and striking up a conversation about woodchuck or raccoon problems. Another has been other peoples houses in rural areas. I have shot woodchucks from one persons living room sliding door and been invited back for deer. If you come into contact with wealthy people who have large estates you may get a chance to solve their animal problem. People who get their expensive plants consumed by wildlife change their tune about hunting and trapping. It is very easy to strike up a conversation about animal problems and size them up. Your car is not parked in some public area for a rabid warden or policeman to hassle you.
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In Reply to: Re: Where can i find info on diana airguns? NT posted by Ryp on August 12, 2000 at 10:55:42:
RWS dealers will provide you with info. StraightShooters, Airgun Express, etc. RB
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In Reply to: IS A SCOPE A NECESSITY FOR HUNTING? posted by BSAHunter on August 11, 2000 at 14:31:29:
A scope is not necessary but you do need to learn the trajectory of the hunting pellet you are going to use. Also you need to determine the power requirements of the quarry you will be hunting.You need to practice using positions that will be used in the field. This will determine the Max range that you should take a shoot at game.
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In Reply to: Commemorative Air Rifle for " W " , (if he wins) posted by chasm on August 11, 2000 at 19:58:04:
FLASH! 7:37 AM Saturday, KCRA Sacramento TV
While reading these posts "W" is on , touting gun registration "The problem is these huge gun auctions, and private sales".
Any lights come on boys???
They're all the same, you're still gonna start loosing your guns. No matter which story you buy , it's still the gun that is blamed for the crime ,not the legal system for providing a loophole to plea bargan, increase indivudal D.A./ Justace sysetm budgets (aka $) via increased conviction stats.
It's not about a safe place for honest law abbiding people to live in peace and safety, it's about laws for ANY of them to tap the money pot
I'm sorry, I' hold my donation till the first one comes along that says he'll help me KEEP my guns!
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I thought you folks might like to know -- some of you asked.
The answer was simple: dirty bore. I know, I should have known -- since we were working on the gun, I had been shooting a LOT of pellets lately.
Today was a good testing day, little or no wind.
The H&N Field & Target Trophy, the Crosmans (lite and heavy) and the Barracuda's now fly straight (that is, they do go down, but no deviations to either left or right) up to 70 yards.
Which makes me a happy camper, since I had just ordered 10 tins of the H&N's Field & Target Trophy. I would have HATED it if it would have been the pellet -- the H&N's are MUCH cleaner, and they cost about half of what I have to shell out for the Premiers.
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In Reply to: Where can i find info on diana airguns? NT posted by Waddle_TheFuzzyDuck on August 12, 2000 at 10:39:42:
Try a search engine?
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In Reply to: Re: The Starling...Portrait Of A Killer posted by CBenson on August 12, 2000 at 07:40:53:
I don't have martins but I hope to soon. Right now I have
Grackles and Starlings but I am putting an end to that. Before anyone asks, no
the grackle is not protected here. On the subject of house sparrows, I don't
see too many of them but I hold them in the same regard as the Starling.
I would use a repeating bait trap also if you wish to remove these birds.
Thanks
Steve
In Reply to: Warning to Canadians! Airguns are now " weapons " under the criminal code! posted by Fearon Steele on August 12, 2000 at 01:47:18:
I have a copy of the 2000 Criminal Code of Canada in front of me. Section 84(3) refers to "Certain weapons deemed not to be firearm".
An airgun with a velocity under 152.4m/s (495fps) is NOT considered a firearm. By the wording of the CCC it seems to still be a weapon.
If I hit you with a stick, the stick is considered a weapon according to the law. Knives can also be weapons, obviously.
The new 2001 CCC is now out and it says the same thing.
It looks like you need to get yourself a nice holster for that HW45 so you can "show it off" when you take a walk in the tundra :^)
Maybe you can pop a few ptarmigan or sharp-tailed grouse this fall with it.
HTH,
Todd
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In Reply to: looking for good pcp. any sugg. r welcome... posted by pritam on August 12, 2000 at 00:08:31:
Well here is the problem.
$600 budget. either a charging adapter and gauge($110) & used scuba tank ($80)will cost around $190. Also the Hand pump will cost around $190, you don't have to have both just one of them will do. now a scope will run about the same or recoil not an issue so I guess you could put a $40 scope on it. So what you have left for the rifle itself is $370 to $220. Forgot scope mounts & rings so subtract those also. Not many PCP in this price range. I think I have seen blem Career 707 for $400 but not sure. Also MIT is only $275 but have no information as to its quality. I think a review is being done but have not seen it yet.
You might keep an eye on American Airguns page and wait for a used one to show up.
I bought my first PCP rifle this year it's an Air Arms S300 they cost $429. It has a good trigger and is accurate. I like it. Check out Pomona Guns and Airguns of Arizona for current prices.
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In Reply to: Visiting the Alamo Tomorrow posted by chasm on August 12, 2000 at 00:01:11:
I visited it back in '67. Somehow, I had envisioned it as being somewhat larger than it apparently was, but this fuels the imagination even more. I also enjoyed San Antonio and may have to repeat the trip someday. RB
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In Reply to: R9 scope posted by Pepi on August 11, 2000 at 22:36:59:
Pepi
Get a Swift from Marty. Scope and mounts are around that price. Crisp, clear, bright and guaranteed for life. Can not beat em.
Gary
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In Reply to: 500 FPS = weapon in the eyes of the law in Canada. posted by NS Canuck on August 12, 2000 at 10:03:05:
It's not the police. They are just doing their job. You would have to do the same if you were a police. IT'S THE LAW!!! Yeah, times have changed since I was a kid. We could go out shooting and nobody cared.
Now one must know all local laws before even thinking about guns. You don't carry gun in your pocket. Even if it's a replica. That's illegal too. Also how would the police know that it is <500 fps. Even if listed as such, it could have been modified. So they have to check it. Anyway, I am with you, but check with authorities before you go out, or even better, tell them your intentions, so you can avoid lot's of grief. I KNOW!!!!
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In Reply to: Re: To Mike: posted by peter huppertz on August 12, 2000 at 09:56:49:
is not limited to airguns. I like hunting, fishing and trapping. In order to feed all my addictions plus remain married a bit of cost-benefit analysis is required. Everything I have is of "good" but not great quality. As for the scope system I like to to refer to, the scope alone is not the total cost. My scope cost around $110, the mount $40 and two scope stops cost $18. My buddy with a FFL let me have the gun at cost $142 but add $30 for a sling - ouch! I also spent a fair amount of time making sure the mount was set for life. Being a lot older and a little bit wiser I could have got a Beeman R-9 and peep for less money.
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In Reply to: Targets posted by Znagge on August 12, 2000 at 08:29:01:
Someone further down the list mentioned chalk from K-Mart was on sale. I am told when they are hit the let ya know.
Gary
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I can relate to the problem on unrestained dogs and as of now just had my pet beagle attacked by a pitbull that is running loose. He is chewed up pretty bad with deep puncture wound all over his body. The owner of this dog has been told to confine the dog in the past but he laughs about it, well the only recourse I now have is to have the police intervene. It's a shame because there wouldn't be a problem if he were a resposile pet owner.
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In Reply to: Recoilless logic? posted by JRW on August 12, 2000 at 01:06:52:
JRW: the 54 action is mounted on rails and moves approximately 3/4" when fired. These rails are actually precision ground dowel pins that pass thru precision bored bronze blocks. Two of this pins are mounted just slightly out of parallel with each other, which creates a binding action on the pins when the gun recoils, The binding slows the recoil like a buffer mechanism so that the energy isn't transferred to the stock and shooter. RB
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In Reply to: Okay people I need your help posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 09:41:47:
I still think that handling any of the two is outside the athletic capabilities of any 11 yr old, however big and strong he may be for his age. When said person is 4'7", the plot thickens even further, because even if he could cock it (which I would think is unlikely) he wouldn't even be able to shoulder it and still reach up to the trigger.
Trust me, I have a 48. I just sized it up after typing the first sentence. If you are indeed 11, and if you are indeed 4'7, you're going to regret it for a couple years.
peter
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In Reply to: Warning to Canadians! Airguns are now " weapons " under the criminal code! posted by Fearon Steele on August 12, 2000 at 01:47:18:
I was told by a local police official that 375 fps makes the pistol a weapon in the eyes of the law.
Check my website about my situation with Customs Canada and the legal importation of a pellet pistol.
At 500 fps you need the FAC for ownership.
CBC did a story about pellet guns a few years back and I can't seem to find the URL at the moment. I will keep looking.
These pellet pistols are being mistaken for the real thing all the time and the police are quite tired of it. It takes away police resources when they have to investigate every "gun" call so their solution is to rid Canada of all these items.
The fact that you were not charged for carrying a concealed weapon is very interesting. I do have the greatest deal of respect for the RCMP because they are rarely unprofessional (unless you are a protester at the OPEC summit, look out then!). They could have tied up your possessions for a long time (as they are doing to me right now)if they wanted to but I think it is how we react to the situation (in some cases) that makes the difference.
I never carry any of my guns anywhere unless they are in a locked case ($18 for a cash box with limited fire protection for my two pistols at the old Walmart) with trigger locks and no pellets. Pellets and clips are carried in a different container. I do not want some intrepid member of the police force confiscating anything of mine EVER.
We have a National Firearms Association here in Canada but it is not clear as to whether or not they are interested in air gun enthusiasts.
Hope this has been informative.
In Reply to: Okay people I need your help posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 09:41:47:
I have seen used model 48 guns for $250-275 in local gun stores. Most are .177 so for a .22 the $275 range is more likely. No used model 54 yet.
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In Reply to: Questions about Benjamin 347 posted by Lloyd S. on August 11, 2000 at 09:47:13:
Sounds like he oiled the pump and the oil was forced into the air chamber. My experience has been that once this happens, a re-build is required. Petroleum based oil damages the pump washer, the inlet valve seal, and the outlet valve seal.
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In Reply to: Re: To Mike: posted by HG on August 12, 2000 at 09:37:09:
> Is it worth all the extra pesos?
To objective criteria: nope. But very little airguns are.
To subjectiove criteria, it rapidly becomes a different game. For you, it ain't. For others, it just might. The value of an airgun is a function of the fun derived from it, and therefore a subjective evaluation.
I shoot the 48 with open sights now, since ... drum roll... it broke a scope. But before you start jumping up and down, the scope was a BSA Contender, and it took the 48 well over 2 cartons of CP Heavies to break it, which is an accomplishment in itself.
I find it big fun to shoot it with its open sights. But there might just come a day when I will top it up with a Swift and try my hands at an FT match with it, just for fun.
Any gun that can do that to me is worth its money.
As it happens, the dollar outlay of a scope system (I still sit here wondering what the beep you mean with a scope system) that will survive on a 54 is less impressive than you may think.
peter
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In Reply to: Warning to Canadians! Airguns are now " weapons " under the criminal code! posted by Fearon Steele on August 12, 2000 at 01:47:18:
Fearon:
Alot of guys here in Ontario carry a pellet pistol in the bush
to shoot whatever. The thing is they carry it in a holster.
We both know that anything under 500 fps is not a firearm, the
thing the police hate is when it's hidden in your coat/pocket.
It's simialar to using a toy gun to commit a crime, the gun is
a toy until you commit a crime with it, then it becomes a weapon.
Next time just try a holster, or ask the police what to do first.
Hope this helps
Scott
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In Reply to: Re: R9 scope posted by Mark Lemm on August 12, 2000 at 00:51:08:
Hi Mark:
I want to spend around 150.00 dollars
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In Reply to: Where would I find these pellets for sale? Thanks by the way. (nt) posted by CCR fan on August 12, 2000 at 09:33:41:
It would be an interesting experience to shoot one, though. I know of a guy who killed his RWS trying to shoot them. From a gas ram, I think you'd have a hard time maintaining accuracy.
In my opinion, getting a .22 with corresponding pellets would be a better idea for quite a few reasons.
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I can't decide what to get. A RWS Model 48 or a
Model 54??? Also, what should the price of a used
Model 54, no mods., .22 cal., mint condition.
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In Reply to: To Mike: posted by peter huppertz on August 12, 2000 at 09:18:39:
A buddy has the 48. I have shot it enough to know the good and bad points of the gun. Accuracy is not a problem, all the RWS guns are accurate. My point is to use the gun for its best purpose. For a couple hundred $ you can get a RWS used and for another $40 put on a peep. The gun is now ideal for elimination of backyard vermin. If you buy the 54 new then put a high quality scope system on it look at the $ outlay. Is it worth all the extra pesos?
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In Reply to: Re: To Happy Gardener and JRW posted by HG on August 12, 2000 at 09:20:32:
A "scope system" that does well on it (including mounts) would cost around $200, which is way below the price of the 54.
Also, as to your suggestion that the gun is a sow's ear, I would suggest that you find yourself one and learn to shoot it. When used properly, in terms of accuracy it will shoot along with any gas ram, including the RX-1, without the inherent disadvantages of the gas ram.
Whether it's as accurate as a TX200 or a HW underlever remains to be seen, though.
peter
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In Reply to: Bisley Rabbit Magnum (at 15.3 grains I think) -- must be a real spring killer. (nt) posted by peter huppertz on August 12, 2000 at 09:13:34:
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In Reply to: Re: To Mike: posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 09:20:39:
No.
... hehheh... that was the short answer.
The complete answer would be: not as such. Butthe non-recoilless ones, the 48 and the 52, can be one h*ll of a b*tch to shoot accurately ;-)
I've seen inaccurate 48's, but that was because of abuse. I've also seen a wildly inaccurate 54, but that was because it was basically screwed up (someone used it to shoot waaaay too heavy pellets).
peter
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In Reply to: Recoilless logic? posted by JRW on August 12, 2000 at 01:06:52:
Others have explained the mechanism already -- the action is on a rail, and recoiling freely. The energy of the recoil is thus absorbed by the sliding action.
Since the scope sits atop of the action, it has to take all the abuse of the action bouncing to and fro.
This system has been deployed by quite a few manufacturers, such as Feinwerkbau, Anschutz, Air Arms and also Diana/RWS.
The most elegant application of the system must be the Anschutz 380 (I think it's the 380), which had the part of the action that was exposed to the world remaining stationary -- each and every sliding part was inside the action.
There are a few airgun scopes around that will take the beating of a 54, so basically a good recoil-absorbing gun like the 54 with a good scope would make a wonderful FT rig, right?
Not quite... when the action and the scope comes rearward, just as your eye has found the perfect distance to the scope, theoretically there goes your sight picture. I've shot a recoilless TX200 which doesn't really move a lot, so yes, you can actually see the target during and after the shot, but not as good as with a truly recoilless gun such as a good pcp.
The Anschutz 380 application would be good enough as well, but unfortunately this is a 10m gun.
peter
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In Reply to: Re: Does anyone know of a .177 pellet that is heavier than 11grains? posted by RBest on August 11, 2000 at 22:44:40:
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In Reply to: Re: Alamo defense simplified........ posted by chasm on August 12, 2000 at 00:33:04:
Charles, the army uses CS all the time for their chemical warfare trainging. They will have an NBC (nuclear,biological,chemical) Defense NCO set up a very strong concentration of CS in a closed off hut and have trainees come in, check their gas masks and take them off (many vomiting in the process). I know because I used to be that NBC NCO. You should have seen the reactions of those people coming through there! ;) --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Targets posted by Znagge on August 12, 2000 at 08:29:01:
Znagge, the shoot N see, targets are great but cost lots..they are are orenge stickers with a black wax -like front..shoot the black and the Orenge shows ..you should see a hit at 50yrds ez
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In Reply to: To Mike: posted by peter huppertz on August 12, 2000 at 09:18:39:
Are RWS sidelever guns inaccurate?
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In Reply to: Re: To Happy Gardener and JRW posted by Mike Pearson on August 12, 2000 at 09:07:30:
I have no doubt a scope system can be used on the gun. The problem is the components have to be of a very high quality to survive. Add up the costs for the scope system and you will have more $ tied up than the gun costs. In addition the gun is a sows ear. The best use for the gun is backyard vermin removal. If a shooter is looking for a high quality optical system he or she is better off with the Beeman RX-1 to mount it on.
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In Reply to: Re: To Happy Gardener and JRW posted by Mike Pearson on August 12, 2000 at 09:07:30:
Happy is just not happy about the 54, or any of the other RWS sidelevers. Not only does he think they break each and every scope in the universe, he also suggests that they are inaccurate.
Let him be, my guess is nothing is gonna change it.
And I think a good number of people misunderstood JRW: the guy just asked a QUESTION! He wanted to know! Sometimes, people are like that, you know?
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In Reply to: Airgun club in the Boston Area posted by Hector Gonzalez on August 12, 2000 at 08:41:37:
There's one in Dorchester...
But the Best is 20 minutes south, down the Xway in Braintree.
If you live North of Boston, The Woburn club is the oldest in the state...got a nice flavor to it.
Braintree has a nice web page showig their stuff...
Queerie gun clubs in Mass.
Or bring up the NRA, they have a link clubs by state.
LOL,
Stocky
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In Reply to: Does anyone know of a .177 pellet that is heavier than 11grains? posted by CCR fan. on August 11, 2000 at 21:43:32:
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In Reply to: Re:Forgetaboutit posted by Uncle Gary on August 12, 2000 at 02:12:19:
Unc, you're right in as far as you go but you should have been more specific you know (you know?)! A cheap scope is doomed but what IS a cheap scope? And more importantly, what is a good scope for this gun? The Swift and the Trophy to name two are scopes I would trust on this gun. Seems your cognitive faculties are murking up a bit as you approach your autumn years (don't ya know it?)! ------- Mr.P ;)
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In Reply to: And they make you shoot better too. posted by BSJ on August 11, 2000 at 22:01:23:
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In Reply to: Re:Forgetaboutit posted by Happy Gardener on August 12, 2000 at 01:39:39:
Happy, do you HAVE a 54? When you say that a 54 will ruin a scope, do you want to qualify that statement a bit, just a wee bit? You make it sound as though NO scope would hold up!
And JRW, do we really need some engineer muddying up the waters of clear perspective on this matter OR do you suppose that maybe we could find references that will tell us what we need to know about 54's and scopes?
I have had a Trophy 6x-18x on mine for over 5 years and many tins of pellets. I used RWS mounts. I had NOT one single, iota of trouble or problems with that set-up! Not one! If you want a 54 with a scope, get one. Just put a strong scope on it like a Swift or a Trophy! Use a good adjustable mount to deal with the inevitable barrel droop. --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Recoilless logic? posted by JRW on August 12, 2000 at 01:06:52:
The action is set up to slide backward slightly when the gun goes off. Since the shooter is holding the stock -- not the action -- it feels as if there is no recoil
The scope, however, is sitting on top of the action. It "feels" all the recoil of the gun going off.
You get the benefit of the "recoilless" action; the scope does not.
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In Reply to: Re:Forgetaboutit posted by JRW on August 12, 2000 at 03:13:14:
The deceleration of the piston+spring causes forward movement of the gun. When the reciprocating assembly bounces off the highly pressurized air a rearward recoil occurs. Moving counterweight on the 54 makes recoil even more complex. Scope components like lenses, crosshairs and adjustment devices break or shift. The whole scope shifts around also. The poor shooter sees his zero wander around and wonders what is wrong. It is common knowledge that the big RWS sidelevers are murder on scopes. Understanding the recoil characteristics of this gun will not enable a shooter to avoid the recoil problem. Using iron sights or a rear peep will allow you to skip all the scope issues. If you want a visual example of what happens in a spring airgun look at a slow motion video of crash test dummies.
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In Reply to: As one who owns a farm posted by Hawley on August 12, 2000 at 02:53:00:
I too am 47 and was raised on a farm. What do I believe? I believe that you have a very wise father! I agree with him 100%! --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Targets posted by Znagge on August 12, 2000 at 08:29:01:
35mm film canisters filled with flower. Tootsie
Pops. Charcol briquettes. Paintballs. Army men.
Poker chips. 9mm casings. And the classic, tin
cans.
<:-@
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In Reply to: Targets posted by Znagge on August 12, 2000 at 08:29:01:
Crackers
Starlings
Balloons (clean up after yourself)
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In Reply to: Re: I back you Dave posted by wved on August 12, 2000 at 06:29:22:
I got it now!LOL! Heck, ole Peter might have been using one of Gary Barne's creations!
You were right about his agreeing with you! He even admitted that he was going completely against his ballistics' beliefs with this one but he said that airguns was that strange exception to the rule (I can tell you for a fact that they're NOT!). Still, to me, that man's writing and great are synonomous! As far as the .177 is concerned, as much as I prefer the larger calibers for hunting, I'll always have at least one .177 around. I have owned more rifles and pistols in this caliber than any other. Why? Because I WANTED to believe the hype and kept thinking that maybe, just maybe, the next level of power (in this caliber) would make all the difference. Aside from bb guns as a kid, I've used .177 guns from about 475fps to 1050 (M-54 chronographed with Crosman domes) and about every velocity level in between. Ed, I like cheap shooting as much as the next guy so I kept on giving this caliber one more chance. Finally, I realized that it simply has some ballistics' limitations even at the higher velocities. They can be used effectively (as you know) but they are, beyond doubt, the least forgiving of the four major calibers from a terminal ballistics standpoint. Thanks for the reply! I think ole Peter had a smile or two about this thread eh? ---- Mike
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Hi all,
I am planning on buying an airgun. I live in Boston, but have not been able to find a club were I could do some shooting. Does anyone know if there is one in the area?
Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: RWS... posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 08:07:16:
I was asking them because I knew you were fairly young and I had counseled kids your age to stay away from the big RWS rifles because of their weight and cocking effort. I thought from your post, you already had one and wondered if it was working ok for you and if I needed to revise my advice for next time.
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In Reply to: Re: Dogs in Rural Country posted by Cody Dotter on August 12, 2000 at 08:27:55:
Blanks can be dangerous for several feet from the muzzle...
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In Reply to: Re: Recoilless logic? posted by John Sa. on August 12, 2000 at 06:33:06:
Everything you said was correct John. I would like to point out that this is NOT a problem for scopes and mounts as long as you get a good one to begin with. I have a Trophy 6x-18x on mine for over 5 years and it's been great (RWS mounts) with not a hint of trouble. Eventually, I'd like to replace it with a Swift (brighter optics) in a 6x-24x or more than likely a 8x-32x. Heavy recoil to the scope is a fact of life for all springers (albeit more so in a 54) compared to C02's and pneumatics. Whatever the gun though, the wise owner will find out his optical requirements BEFORE he makes his purchase. ----- Mr. P
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Anyone have any tips of any good targets, things to shoot at. Can be anything.
But i would prefer targets that you could see from a long distance if you hitted.
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In Reply to: Dogs in Rural Country posted by MarkD on August 11, 2000 at 19:59:22:
I know how to scare dogs away without hurting them.
Buy a 12 gauge shotgun. Then buy some 12 gauge blanks.
Then shoot the blanks at the dog.
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In Reply to: RWS... posted by John Sa. on August 12, 2000 at 06:48:30:
Hi Jon Sa.! :-) I'm asking all of these questions
about these 'RWS' guns is because I might be buying
one this X-Mas. Now I have to make a choice. A Model
48 or a Model 54. I want both in .22 cal.
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In Reply to: Why CRX Hard To Cock? posted by dscott on August 12, 2000 at 00:09:28:
A friend of mine just got one he was told it'll ware in after about 1000 shots. which doesn't bother me cause when I go shooting with him I get to shoot it. A lot. ;)
CJ
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In Reply to: TO BAD YOU DON'T HAVE THE NRA TO HELP THE GUN OWNERS IN KANADA!!! posted by dirk dingle on August 12, 2000 at 02:23:44:
JOIN A CLUB WHO WILL FIGHT FOR YOU RIGHTS..BEFORE IT IS TO LATE.
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In Reply to: The Starling...Portrait Of A Killer posted by Steve Forbes on August 12, 2000 at 00:03:28:
Hi Steve. The starlings used to dominate my suet and peanut
feeders, driving the woodpeckers and other birds away - until
I got my R9, that is. I haven't seen one in over a month now,
Gee, I wonder what happened to them? As a purple martin landlord, do you also have
problems with english house sparrows? My wife and I have
several bluebird houses, and after seeing a sparrow kill
5 bluebird nestlings, I shoot every one of them I can.
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In Reply to: RWS 54 is this a good gun ? posted by bill c. on August 10, 2000 at 00:49:26:
NT
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In Reply to: Recoilless logic? posted by JRW on August 12, 2000 at 01:06:52:
Scroll down on forum and click on RWS STUFF... by Cody,and check out a procedure I gave him for adjusting the recoil to scope weight ratio on the 54s.It works a treat and I won an FT match with a tuned 54 a few years ago.The runner up was shooting a pcp(just to stir things up a bit).On the scope issue,the 54 wont transfer the firing cycle "feel"to the shooter as directly as a fixed action air rifle ie:48 &52 and its hard to tell if the pellet you are using is allowing enough back pressure to cushion the piston at the end of its stroke.If you have it wrong the combined shock of the piston slamming into the end of the compression tube plus the action sliding back too fast will result in scope damage and loose stock screws for sure.What I can say about reports of scope damage is that there have been a few cases on this forum,and Im sure they have their own set of circumstances but so have many others using different springers and its all part of the learning curve associated with airguns,and its half the fun!Cheers k1w1.
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