Airgun Letter Forum: Messages posted in the past 2 days

Re: Curious about Bulk CO2...


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Msg. 276718  Posted by Joe Whittaker on August 18, 2000 at 05:57:58:

In Reply to: Curious about Bulk CO2... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 20:27:39:

Josh
When you say welding shop do you mean supply by
chance. I get my co2 at a welding & gas supply. It
cost me $89.00 up front and &20.00 a fill. I don't
have to worry about hydro just drop my empty and
pick up a full. A dollor a pound beats $6.00 a pound
at the paintball shop.

Find a good scale, I use a charge scale at the HVAC
shop at work. I have thought about the wally world
digital fish scale, but only because I can check it
at work. Paintball store websites have a hanging scale
you could check on as well. Be carfull and do your
math.

On charging, I've done it both ways. Chilling the tank
by blowing off gas seems a waste, and I get better fills
by poping my tanks in the freezer a while anyway.

The main thing is to be CAREFULL !!!!!!!!!!!!!


In HIS Service
Joe W.
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Re: Career .22 rifle A-TEAM reg and spring kit


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Msg. 276717  Posted by jukt on August 18, 2000 at 05:32:19:

In Reply to: Career .22 rifle A-TEAM reg and spring kit posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 18:42:20:

The A Team url is below, not mine.

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Need chrony strings on crosman 2289 and 1377.


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Msg. 276716  Posted by Rob on August 18, 2000 at 05:16:24:

If you have real life data on any of the crosman pump-ups in unmodified form pls let me know.
Thanks,
Rob
PS if you own one and have comments on on of the both, please let me know as well.

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Re: Chinese Tech Force Air Rifles


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Msg. 276715  Posted by jukt on August 18, 2000 at 05:15:12:

In Reply to: Chinese Tech Force Air Rifles posted by KC on August 18, 2000 at 00:17:02:

Got a 38d from Compasseco, and it is just fine. Got a free cleaning kit and a pack of match pellets. It had a cheap 22 scope, and it is accurate at short range. It was my first ag, and I cannot shoot at long range. After fooling with the rear site, it shoots high/low at longer yards, so it is probably me.

After 225 pellets, it is going well. I am glad I got a Tech Force. It is not an R-1, however.

Get one.
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Re: Violating A Personal Prime Directive ...


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Msg. 276714  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 18, 2000 at 04:07:44:

In Reply to: Violating A Personal Prime Directive ... posted by bcd on August 18, 2000 at 02:20:03:

With head shots, it's not just a matter of hitting the head, but hitting the brain.
If you hit the medulla oblongata (where the brain and spinal colum meet), then the kill is instant. Not an instant-5-seconds-of-flopping instant, but more of a dead-in-milli-seconds type of instant.
If you hit the head, you can sometimes just hit the nose, etc which which just cause the animal pain. You need to take out the actual brain.

Chris
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Steve, regarding the Mac 1 LD pistol...


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Msg. 276713  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 18, 2000 at 04:05:56:

...I believe it is pretty much out of the picture for Canada. Even if it does honestly shoot below 500 fps in .22cal, importing it could be a nightmare (and a long one).

I'm not sure about the .25cal Quackenbush/Crosman pistol. Ammo and trajectory would likely be my gripes there.
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Re: I read on Mac1's site...me too...


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Msg. 276712  Posted by Steve B. on August 18, 2000 at 03:37:09:

In Reply to: I read on Mac1's site... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 22:35:43:

Josh: Yes I've read it there too. I've never done it that way, I just used the quick chill evaparation method. It is my understanding that the tanks that Mac1 sells are figured at their working fills; that is the 3 1/2 oz tank is going to be safe at a fill of 3 1/2 ozs.

What your going to do is weigh your small tank when it's empty (MT) and write that down. Then your going to add it's rating weight to that empty weight to get its total weight. This is what your maximum target is going to be. Note that you don't have to fill it up to this, it can be less.

Can you overfill a tank - yes, I've done it a few times usually about 10-20 grams (thats not much). Thats why you weigh the tank after filling it and bleed it back down to it's working weight if it overfilled. I use a 1 kilogram scale, convert the ozs. to grams. Grams are 28.34 times more accurate than ozs - makes me feel better anyway if nothing else. The 20 lb tank I use is not a siphon feed; no biggy I turn it upside down for filling chores.

This also applies when you go to fill the gun, if it doesn't use the small tank as it's gas storage source - as per the Mac1 extended Cr 160 tanks etc. Except that you are going to subtrack your tank weight after filling from the total weight to find out what you got into the gun. If you got to much into the gun you may be able to shoot some out before the gun locks up. Where do you find this stuff out - from the guy that sold you the set up in the first place.

What I would suggest is study the pressure curves and information at the URL below (explore a bit to find the FAQ section AND READ IT!!!!) also save it for further study. When you understand what it all means then proceed with this venture, not until. But that me, it's your head, your gun etc. Good luck...

HTH - Steve B.

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I've seen that ... is that it though, only last 7 days? NT


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Msg. 276711  Posted by bcd on August 18, 2000 at 02:26:40:

In Reply to: Thread is saved! posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 01:53:39:


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Violating A Personal Prime Directive ...


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Msg. 276710  Posted by bcd on August 18, 2000 at 02:20:03:

On two occasions now I took head shots on rabbits
rather than my preferred "boiler room" aim point.
The conditions were such that the chance of a
crippling shot was nil, inspite of using iron
sights. The first shot was taken because I didn't
want to miss the opportunity to eliminate the little
pest. Its reaction was to flop around for a few
seconds. The second time was a similar risk-free
opportunity, so I took it. The flop around factor
lasted for a full 30 seconds! Both shots were made
at a significant downward angle, horizontal distance
less than 30 feet. In both cases, the brain was
scrambled. Once again, flop factor does not equal
suffering! I shall now return to the security
of heart/lung shots.
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Right! The Al Gore who has $500,000 in Oxidental, and owns a polluting zinc mine in Tennessee. Sure!


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Msg. 276709  Posted by Craig W. on August 18, 2000 at 02:16:24:

In Reply to: Re: I'll see things differently when this country has... posted by Mark Lemm on August 17, 2000 at 21:11:37:

n/t
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I remember back before the government got into the medical business


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Msg. 276708  Posted by Craig W. on August 18, 2000 at 02:12:24:

In Reply to: I'll see things differently when this country has... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:31:33:

and I could AFFORD to go to the doctor! Just about everything government touches turns to shit. All they do is take our dollars and shrink them, then dole some of them back, IF we jump through their hoops.
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Doc, you have missed the point entirely...


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Msg. 276707  Posted by John Sa. on August 18, 2000 at 02:09:00:

In Reply to: Do you vote? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:24:12:

If you think for just a second you will realize that there is a common source for the push to gun control, socialized medicine, and lots of other things that you probably like.

The source of all of these things is the concept that people (are not/should not have to be) responsible.

Not responsible for what they did with a gun--the fact that they could get it was the problem.

Not responsible for the fact that they didn't provide medical coverage for their family--it should be theirs by right.

That is complete and unadulterated 'hogwash'.

In this case, the solution to the healthcare problem is simple.

You are in an ideal position to alleviate the problem. Why don't you begin donating a percentage of your time to helping those who can't afford healthcare? Then, persuade your fellow healthcare providers to do the same. Seems like from the numbers you provided, that if you and every other doctor in the U.S. donated just 10% of his time to providing free healthcare to the 'less fortunate', the problem would be solved.

If you're not willing to donate your time, why are you trying to push a system that forces all wage earners to contribute cash in the form of taxes to solve the problem?



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Re: There is a nice 400 on Auction Arms now that is up to $136


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Msg. 276706  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 18, 2000 at 02:08:17:

In Reply to: There is a nice 400 on Auction Arms now that is up to $136 posted by TStray on August 17, 2000 at 18:37:01:

If I had to choose which gun to take into the field for some serious shooting, I would pick the late-model 180, that is also up on Auction Arms, everytime. It's an all-around better gun.
DT Fletcher
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If Gore is elected. . .


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Msg. 276705  Posted by Craig W. on August 18, 2000 at 02:06:07:

In Reply to: And I suppose you think that the... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:38:46:

and appoints two or three Supreme Court Justices, this country will take a hard turn left (yes, even further!). We will lose our Second Amendment rights, and once that happens this country is OVER!

BTW, for those who (incredibly!) think Al Gore is more intelligent than Bush, you are wrong. Bush scored considerably higher on the SAT.

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James Kithcing whatever happened to.....


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Msg. 276704  Posted by Dmitry on August 18, 2000 at 02:05:38:

those Russian red dot sights you had -- email me your answer if you don't mind I'm not on line that often anymore.
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Re: One more thing...


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Msg. 276703  Posted by todd bates on August 18, 2000 at 01:57:31:

In Reply to: One more thing... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 23:59:58:

ALGORE gets millions from the labor unions, which
i must belong to as a requirement for employment.
this is my money legally taken w/o consent.
this is MUCH worse than "big business".
you have the right to your opinion, just do not
"squint" so much!
communism/socailism has been proven unworkable.
if you want to support others outside of your family,
put your money out there, just leave me out of it
and i will not put my hand out!
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Re: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots?


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Msg. 276702  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 18, 2000 at 01:54:11:

In Reply to: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots? posted by jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:22:01:

12-15 sounds about right for the technique you are using. A bulk extension tube, or drop tank, is pretty much a must for bulk filling a 160.
DT Fletcher
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Thread is saved!


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Msg. 276701  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 01:53:39:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Firearm posted by bcd on August 17, 2000 at 23:58:55:

B, go back to the first page of the forum, then go to "Archives at Tradermics", the last seven days of messages on this forum are archived there, and you can download them. Cheers!
Unc

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That's because he doen't have to pay for medical expenses...


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Msg. 276700  Posted by John Sa. on August 18, 2000 at 01:53:04:

In Reply to: I never asked YOU to pay for MY health insurance... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 23:33:00:

It's a neat little thing that doctors have called professional courtesy.

It's important for everyone to realize that what he's selling won't apply to him. The medical profession takes care of it's own.
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Re: Are you SURE you read that on Mac-1's site?


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Msg. 276699  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 01:47:38:

In Reply to: Are you SURE you read that on Mac-1's site? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 23:46:11:

For safe operation, the best method is a 70% fill; that is, 70% of the internal volume of the tank is filled with liquid CO2. Paintball tanks already have this fill capacity calculated: filling a 9 oz. paintball tank with 9 ooz. of CO2 results in a 70% fill. One has to be careful when chilling tanks; it's possible to get liquid fills right up to 100%, which could result in dangerously high pressures later if the tank is heated too much, like inside a car in the summertime. HTH
Unc

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Re: is the crosman 1077 worth my $?


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Msg. 276698  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 18, 2000 at 01:45:30:

In Reply to: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? posted by Eli Gratz on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:46:

Absolutely! The 1077 is great for what it is, a super-fun rapid-fire plinker. There are more powerful guns, and more accurate guns, however, a more fun gun is hard to find.

I invested in a 1077W which has one of the nicest walnut stocks you could ever ask for.
DT Fletcher
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Off Topic- The Democratic Mindset


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Msg. 276697  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 18, 2000 at 01:44:12:

Some of my relatives are democrats. They are very much interested in their "rights". In order to pay for their rights the govt. needs to tax and control everyone else. Charity and initative are history, the list of rights keeps growing. The govt. is viewed as a free supplier of rights.

People certainly have an obligation to help others. The debate will continue and champions of the poor are never in short supply.

My guess is that a combined tax rate of 50% will be a ceiling. My best answer is to eliminate all income taxes and use sales taxes for both the state and federal govts. This eliminates the free money incentive and provides limited taxation.
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Ditto. (nt)


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Msg. 276696  Posted by John Sa. on August 18, 2000 at 01:43:27:

In Reply to: Re: In search of a double action or semiauto pistol posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 00:55:42:

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Re: Crosman 167


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Msg. 276695  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 18, 2000 at 01:41:27:

In Reply to: Crosman 167 posted by jon on August 17, 2000 at 23:15:40:

Like you say, 167s don't come up for sale very often. A couple years back, I sold a mint 167, type II with open sight, for $200. As much as anything, the outstanding condition determined the price more than the fact that it was a 167. If it had been a 160 in the same mint condition it would have been priced only a bit less. 167s have never really gone for that much more than the 160, even though it is rather rare. I think the reason for that is that the value of the 160 is based on it's outstanding reputation as a shooter, it is certainly not a rare collector's item. And, when it comes to the American airgun shooter their preference has always gone for the heavier .22 punch.
dt fletcher
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Re: Hey guys,how you you measure how much CO2 to put in a tank?By pounds?...


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Msg. 276694  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 01:40:34:

In Reply to: Hey guys,how you you measure how much CO2 to put in a tank?By pounds?... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 22:40:15:

Nope! You weigh it on an accurate scale. Bulk CO2 is filled by weight, which will typically be a certain number of ounces. A postal scale works well for this, You weigh the tank before filling, and after; the difference is the amount of CO2 in the tank. Regards,
Unc

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Re: RWS rear sight


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Msg. 276693  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 01:37:11:

In Reply to: Re: RWS rear sight posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 23:11:13:

No problem Albert, why spend money if you can make the old one work okay? If you decide you need the rear sight, let me know, no problem either way. Cheers!
Unc

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MATT!! You're getting tiresome!! Just DO IT and find out for yourself . Do you expect us to do it and possible do damage just so you can go to school on us?????nt


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Msg. 276692  Posted by ICON on August 18, 2000 at 01:34:33:

In Reply to: Airshot gun/pistols posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:35:39:

ntnt
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Re: Chinese Tech Force Air Rifles


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Msg. 276691  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 18, 2000 at 01:33:13:

In Reply to: Re: Chinese Tech Force Air Rifles posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 00:23:15:

Russ is right: forget all the advertising, these are basically 650 FPS airguns (200m./sec.),and the quality varys considerably depending on which factory produced them. The exceptions are the XS-B18 and the SM-1000, which are excellent values for the money. If you want a cheap airgun to experiment with, the ones you mentioned are a good value for the money, just don't expect European quality and performance. Regards,
Unc

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Re: Airshot gun/pistols


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Msg. 276690  Posted by ICON on August 18, 2000 at 01:30:54:

In Reply to: Airshot gun/pistols posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:35:39:

nt
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Re: Does anyone ever used a bushnell 3x9-40,are bushnell any good?


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Msg. 276689  Posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 01:03:43:

In Reply to: Does anyone ever used a bushnell 3x9-40,are bushnell any good? posted by Greg S on August 17, 2000 at 23:11:52:

Many Bushnells are pretty good for airgunning, but the 3x9x40 isn't one of them. The 3x9x32 isn't bad though. RB
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Re: Airgunaholic


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Msg. 276688  Posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 01:01:49:

In Reply to: Airgunaholic posted by Sid Edgewater on August 17, 2000 at 22:01:35:

Sid: getting into airgunning is like standing on the event horizon of a Black Hole. You're gonna get sucked in ! (well- black holes don't work like vacuum cleaners- but you know what I mean). BTW_ there IS no cure. RB
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Mark Lemm! Is that short for LEMMING?? You seem to have found the proper " LOCKSTEP " the liberals taught you. I hope you're willing to give up another 15% in higher taxes or are you buying airguns with gov. subsidies??nt


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Msg. 276687  Posted by ICON on August 18, 2000 at 01:01:30:

In Reply to: Re: Do you vote? posted by Mark Lemm on August 17, 2000 at 12:32:05:

nt
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Mark Lemm! Is that short for LEMMING?? You seem to have found the proper


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Msg. 276686  Posted by ICON on August 18, 2000 at 00:59:14:

In Reply to: Re: Do you vote? posted by Mark Lemm on August 17, 2000 at 12:32:05:

nt

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Re: HW30 piston seal


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Msg. 276683  Posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 00:57:12:

In Reply to: HW30 piston seal posted by T. McManus on August 17, 2000 at 22:13:20:

Try Pyramyd Air in Ohio or Beeman in California. RB
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Re: In search of a double action or semiauto pistol


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Msg. 276682  Posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 00:55:42:

In Reply to: In search of a double action or semiauto pistol posted by Slick on August 17, 2000 at 23:50:38:

Slick: the Umarex S&W revolver with the 8" barrel is pretty good. True to life DA feels and the single action mode was very good. Probably Umarex's best airgun. RB
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Re: Pubs vs Dems


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Msg. 276681  Posted by Sammy on August 18, 2000 at 00:55:17:

In Reply to: Re: Pubs vs Dems posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 22:41:04:

Yes James I did see the Republican convention. And isn't nice to see we can beat the Democrats at there own game. I loved it.


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DOC!! Where does it say " life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and FREE DRUGS AND HEALTH CARE AND INSURANCE " ?


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Msg. 276680  Posted by Icon on August 18, 2000 at 00:48:03:

In Reply to: See, there's the difference... posted by Doc on August 18, 2000 at 00:13:25:

Soon we'll have to pay for auto insurance and tires for "poor" workers so they can get to work and pay no taxes because they don't earn enough.
If they make too many babies or did'nt complete
the FREE education and therefore are poor then they can perish like injured animals in the wild.

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DOC!!! You're talking like an idiot. In Kanada you have to wait months for operations and sometimes much longer for elective surgery. ME THINKS YOU FEEL YOUR OX HAS BEEN GORED.


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Msg. 276679  Posted by ICON on August 18, 2000 at 00:36:24:

In Reply to: I'll see things differently when this country has... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:31:33:

Also are you willing to give up another 10% to 15%
to pay for all the crybabies who should have feathered their nests at a younger age instead of spending on what they WANTED INSTEAD OF SPENDING ON WHAT THEY NEEDED. NUFF SAID
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Re: Chinese Tech Force Air Rifles


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Msg. 276678  Posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 00:23:15:

In Reply to: Chinese Tech Force Air Rifles posted by KC on August 18, 2000 at 00:17:02:

I can tell you from personal experience that the 38's aren't very good. Accuracy is fair, but power is considerably lower than advertised (-200 fps!). RB
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Re: Anics A-3000


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Msg. 276677  Posted by John on August 18, 2000 at 00:21:02:

In Reply to: Anics A-3000 posted by Tim on August 16, 2000 at 18:46:50:

Can you get one for $45?

If you can I would take it!
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Chinese Tech Force Air Rifles


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Msg. 276676  Posted by KC on August 18, 2000 at 00:17:02:

I would like to hear from anyone who has recently purchased a Tech Force 99,25,97,36,88,38,41. I would like to hear about their performance. I've purchased TS-45's in the past and have been pleased with their performance for the dollar.
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Re: Japs?!? Tech Force guns are made in CHINA! By CHINESE people.


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Msg. 276675  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 18, 2000 at 00:14:44:

In Reply to: Re: Japs?!? Tech Force guns are made in CHINA! By CHINESE people. posted by Lloyd S. on August 17, 2000 at 19:59:32:


I know I grew up hearing the term in movies and from members of family (World War 11 age) and I never really thought of it as derogatory. HOWEVER, your post does put things in a different light for me.Just because a person doesn't mean anything by a given term doesn't mean that others wouldn't take it that way! My ex is Mexican-American and that was a real learning experience for me (and a good one too). I got a chance to see things from a completely different perspective.

I thank you for your classy post and I am making a change in my thinking and the use of that word based on it (your post). I don't know how much into airguns your wife is but I got the picture of her seeing the word you say is offensive to her (and you). Well, I have to admit, as I thought about it that bothered me and I am NOT going to knowingly be the sourse of someone else's discomfort. I disagreed earlier with the other posts but yours is one that really reaches me.

Thanks for the lesson! --- Mike
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Msg. 276674  Posted by Doc on August 18, 2000 at 00:13:25:

In Reply to: Re: I never asked YOU to pay for MY health insurance... posted by Jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 23:59:56:

YOU believe that it makes more sense to have those who can't afford medical insurance or overpriced medications to go without. I believe that every citizen in this country should be afforded basic health insurance and that drug companies need to be held accountable for huge price increases and price desparities between the US and other countries.

Luckily I have and can pay for my families health insurance. There are many that can't. To me, a single health insurance plan that everyone pays into and benefits from would be much more efficient and cost effective than a bunch of HMOs and health insurance companies that consider only one thing...the bottom line.

I'll take my plan over yours.

Doc
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Re: RWS address and phone number inside.


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Msg. 276673  Posted by José M on August 18, 2000 at 00:12:23:

In Reply to: RWS address and phone number inside. posted by Chavez on August 18, 2000 at 00:02:08:

Thx Chavez!!
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Re: Can a muzzlebreak effect accuracy?


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Msg. 276672  Posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 00:09:16:

In Reply to: Can a muzzlebreak effect accuracy? posted by Tom L. on August 17, 2000 at 22:28:35:

My R-9 is accurate both with and without the brake, but then I've never measured it's groups to the thousandth of an inch either. RB
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Re: BLF fitting


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Msg. 276671  Posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 00:07:19:

In Reply to: BLF fitting posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 23:20:05:

It's a Bottom Line Feed set up. RB
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Re: Beeman GS700 vs. Gamo Young Hunter


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Msg. 276670  Posted by RBest on August 18, 2000 at 00:06:05:

In Reply to: Beeman GS700 vs. Gamo Young Hunter posted by Young Shotter on August 17, 2000 at 23:17:15:

My son's GS700 is pretty accurate. Actual velocity with 7.9 gr Crosman Premiers was around 580 fps. RB
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Re: .177 Firearm


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Msg. 276669  Posted by BCall on August 18, 2000 at 00:04:43:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Firearm posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 23:41:40:

No problem! Just let me know when you get that sub-.177 airgun figured out! I'd be fascinated! Love those small guns! Thanks, Bill
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RWS address and phone number inside.


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Msg. 276668  Posted by Chavez on August 18, 2000 at 00:02:08:

In Reply to: RWS address posted by José M on August 17, 2000 at 23:49:44:

Dynamit Nobel-RWS INC.
81 Ruckman Road
Closter, New Jersey 07624

1 (201) 767-1995

hth,
Chavez

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One more thing...


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Msg. 276667  Posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 23:59:58:

In Reply to: Don't expect me to pay for your health insurance! posted by Jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 22:27:08:

You don't want me to preach to you about greedy companies?

How's this for preaching: Where do you think good old George W. Bush obtained most of his campaign funding?

Clue: It wasn't from the US gov't (AKA the tax payers). He turned it down.

It was from private BIG business.

Now who do you suppose he is going to represent? The working stiff or...

Another commentary by, you guessed it,

Doc
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Re: I never asked YOU to pay for MY health insurance...


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Msg. 276666  Posted by Jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 23:59:56:

In Reply to: I never asked YOU to pay for MY health insurance... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 23:33:00:

If I can't afford something (including medicine), I have no right to force others to buy it for me, or to force tha pharmeceutical company to lower its price. If someone wants to give it to me because they're filled with love for their neighbor in need, fine - but I would never want them forcefully taxed to provide it for me. Forceful extortion of the "wealthy" (defined by democrats as anyone making over $40K a year)is something that appeals on to liberals and the lazy.
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Re: .177 Firearm


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Msg. 276665  Posted by bcd on August 17, 2000 at 23:58:55:

In Reply to: .177 Firearm posted by bcd on August 16, 2000 at 23:41:15:

Is this message traffic saved somewhere, or do I
have to capture it myself?
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Re: Japs?!? Tech Force guns are made in CHINA! By CHINESE people.


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Msg. 276664  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 23:56:36:

In Reply to: Re: Japs?!? Tech Force guns are made in CHINA! By CHINESE people. posted by Phillip Reedy on August 17, 2000 at 20:57:15:


Phil, I know what an abbreviation is. I also know that I happen to disagree with you on this. Maybe I'm missing something here but this is how I feel about the subject and I saw nothing in either of your posts that would lead me to believe otherwise. ----- Mr.P
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In search of a double action or semiauto pistol


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Msg. 276663  Posted by Slick on August 17, 2000 at 23:50:38:

I'd like some recommendations for semiauto or double action pistols for firearm practice. Don't really care about caliber, would love accurate <.5 @ 10M. Cost isn't an issue. Please suggest dealers too.

Regards, Slick
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Yup,here's the direct URL...


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Msg. 276662  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 23:49:58:

In Reply to: Are you SURE you read that on Mac-1's site? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 23:46:11:


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RWS address


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Msg. 276661  Posted by José M on August 17, 2000 at 23:49:44:

Hi,

Someone know the address or phone number of RWS in Closter, NJ.
Thx in advance. Best regards.

José M
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My pleasure, Mark...


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Msg. 276660  Posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 23:47:59:

In Reply to: Re: I'll see things differently when this country has... posted by Mark Lemm on August 17, 2000 at 21:11:37:

It's too bad that so many people are being blind sided by the threat of stiffer gun control laws that nothing else seems to matter. In Josh's case case, I can understand why unlimited airgun power is paramount to him. It's because he's only 13! But in Charlton Heston's case, there is simply no excuse. I've lost all respect for him with his anti-Democrat ads and all. Oh well.

Doc
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Are you SURE you read that on Mac-1's site?


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Msg. 276659  Posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 23:46:11:

In Reply to: I read on Mac1's site... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 22:35:43:

Tim is a strong advocate for safety in bulk-filling and always cautions against doing anything that could result in overfilling a CO2 tank.
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Re: Leapers 6x40 AO Scope


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Msg. 276658  Posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 23:42:36:

In Reply to: Leapers 6x40 AO Scope posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 23:07:49:

I received one from Straight Shooters, but returned it because I wanted a Bushnell Banner Scope instead. However, Kevin at SS did tell me that the Leapers Scope would have been fine on my Vulcan .22cal carbine, so I can't imagine you having any problems with it on your R9. Send Kevin an email at Straight Shooters and ask about it if you want, as I have found him to be pretty helpfull.

jcbii
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Bushnell 4x sportview and B-Square adjustable mount


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Msg. 276657  Posted by James King Sr on August 17, 2000 at 23:42:19:

for sale. I have recently upgraded to a 6x-24x scope on my RWS 48 and no longer need my 4x bushnell. The scope is in great condition and I will include my B-Square adjustable scope mount for $65.00, shipping included. Serious inquiries can contact me at my e-mail address and I will send a photo of scope and mount along iwth payment instructions.
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Re: .177 Firearm


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Msg. 276656  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 23:41:40:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Firearm posted by BCall on August 17, 2000 at 21:57:40:


Thanks Bill for the correction! As for the really small cartridges, take a look at Frank Barnes 'Cartridges Of the World'. I think you'll find it fascinating.

Yes, Mr.Eichelberger is a really nice guy. Along with those two tiny spitzers he sent me also was a nice letter answering numerous questions I had. Nice guy!

Thanks for the heads up about small caliber news. The idea of a small caliber for airgunning is a good one I think and not just as a novelty either. Of course, a smaller caliber would have limitations but within it's limits could be a very viable choice for certain uses.

Again, thanks for the correction. ---- Mr.P
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Re: BEST price online site for the P1???


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Msg. 276655  Posted by jcbii on August 17, 2000 at 23:38:24:

In Reply to: BEST price online site for the P1??? posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 23:57:00:

Might also consider the Winstar HS550 from Rutten. It supposedly does 550fps, and costs $235.00. Russ Best bought one, so he may be able to give additional info if you were interesed. I have wanted one of these for awhile now, but have had other things on the "want" list that have priority right now.

jcbii
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The ones that can AFFORD to get medical care in the US...


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Msg. 276654  Posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 23:37:11:

In Reply to: Then, why to do many Canadians.... posted by Simon Slick on August 17, 2000 at 23:11:16:

do at their OWN expense. There's a big difference between affording basic medical insurance for every American and sending everybody to a private medical clinic such as the Mayo clinic. Think about it.

Doc
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I never asked YOU to pay for MY health insurance...


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Msg. 276653  Posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 23:33:00:

In Reply to: Don't expect me to pay for your health insurance! posted by Jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 22:27:08:

you simply don't get the point. Countries like the UK, Germany, Canada and Japan got the point and a long time ago at that.

Typical Republican attitude. Go figure.

Doc
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RWS model 52 stock wanted


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Msg. 276652  Posted by James King Sr on August 17, 2000 at 23:32:52:

I am looking for a RWS 52 stock for my model 48. I've heard that they are inter-changable and would like to have the 52 stock for the cheek rest. Please e-mail me with information on how to get one.
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Pretty weak retort! (nt)


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Msg. 276651  Posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 23:23:54:

In Reply to: Hog wash....(nt) posted by Simon Slick on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:39:


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BLF fitting


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Msg. 276650  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 23:20:05:

I want to bulk up my 2240 and I need to know what a blf fitting is. Thanks Matt Sudol
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Beeman GS700 vs. Gamo Young Hunter


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Msg. 276649  Posted by Young Shotter on August 17, 2000 at 23:17:15:

Accuracy wise.
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Crosman 167


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Msg. 276648  Posted by jon on August 17, 2000 at 23:15:40:

I'm trying to get some more information on the Crosman 167. I know the basics; its the .177 version of the 160, not as many made, much harder to come across.

How was the 167 marketed? Did it come with the S331 peep or only with the open sights? What is a fair market value today for one? Since I don't have a specific one in mind, I would say if it were in very good to excellent condition. Since I have never seen one up for sale, I have no point of reference for its value.

Thanks for any info.

-jon-
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Does anyone ever used a bushnell 3x9-40,are bushnell any good?


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Msg. 276647  Posted by Greg S on August 17, 2000 at 23:11:52:

For plinking and light hunting.
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Then, why to do many Canadians....


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Msg. 276646  Posted by Simon Slick on August 17, 2000 at 23:11:16:

In Reply to: I'll see things differently when this country has... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:31:33:

come to this country to get decent medical care.
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Re: RWS rear sight


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Msg. 276645  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 23:11:13:

In Reply to: Re: RWS rear sight posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 22:22:53:

OK Unc, I'm trying to un-bend it, like Russ told me to do, and I'll see what kind of groupings I can get out of it. If it doesn't correspond to what I expect, then I could buy yours.

Thanks a lot though (do you have other parts, still ?)

Al..
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i couldn't find it,i've only seen the " Software download " NT


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Msg. 276644  Posted by steve on August 17, 2000 at 23:10:53:

In Reply to: check Ian Pellant's site -- listed in the weblinks N/T posted by Greg Fischer on August 16, 2000 at 23:45:11:

..
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Leapers 6x40 AO Scope


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Msg. 276643  Posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 23:07:49:

Has anyone had any experience with this scope or heard anything about them good or bad. Will it hold up on a medium powered spring gun. This would be going on a .22 R-9 shooting at around 16-17 foot pounds. Any comments would be appreciated.
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how does Beeman P1+Crow Magnum Pellet for (rodent)hunting sound???


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Msg. 276642  Posted by steve on August 17, 2000 at 23:06:36:

think thats enough POWER and ACCURACY???
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Re: is the crosman 1077 worth my $?


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Msg. 276641  Posted by Roland Martens on August 17, 2000 at 23:01:09:

In Reply to: is the crosman 1077 worth my $? posted by Eli Gratz on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:46:

Want to have more bang for the buck? Go for a 2250 or a 2260 (both single shot). The 1077 has two major problems:
1.- A real heavy trigger which cannot be improved (through the trigger you have to cock the hammer & index the magazine).
2.- The pellet is propelled by the CO2 through the magazine into the breech and through the bore. The fit between magazine, CO2 nozzle and breech is not perfect, thus, a variable amount of CO2 leaks on each shot, making the gun quite inaccurate.
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Re: A-team Reg and Spring Kit...


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Msg. 276640  Posted by Jim Slomski on August 17, 2000 at 22:55:49:

In Reply to: A-team Reg and Spring Kit... posted by DougA on August 17, 2000 at 22:17:34:

Hello Doug,
I am not an expert to answer your questions, but
if you go to the top of this forum and click
on the airgun letter, this will take you to a
site of all kinds of neat things. Scroll down and
look in the middle for "airgun resources". Click
on this and then scroll down to the "A" team.
I believe you will have a great start to what you
are looking for.
Jim
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Re: For all you Career owners. (URL/Photos)


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Msg. 276639  Posted by RGunn on August 17, 2000 at 22:55:26:

In Reply to: Re: For all you Career owners. (URL/Photos) posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 18:54:14:

Mark, Marty once told me the Career was butt ugly like Shania Twains butt! LOL. What could I say? Hehehehe.
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It seems they have fooled you into being a tree hugger.(nt)


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Msg. 276638  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 22:47:59:

In Reply to: Re: I'll see things differently when this country has... posted by Mark Lemm on August 17, 2000 at 21:11:37:


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I agree 100%.


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Msg. 276637  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 22:45:47:

In Reply to: Don't expect me to pay for your health insurance! posted by Jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 22:27:08:

Although it may not make a difference since I'm only 13.

Josh P.
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Sorry,should be " how do you measure.... " nt.


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Msg. 276636  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 22:41:20:

In Reply to: Hey guys,how you you measure how much CO2 to put in a tank?By pounds?... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 22:40:15:


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Re: Pubs vs Dems


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Msg. 276635  Posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 22:41:04:

In Reply to: Re: Pubs vs Dems posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 21:59:42:

Did you see the Pub conviention, sounded like the Dems.
Actually I am not conservative, I am Libertarian for the most part, tho I dont agree with them 100 percent either.

The fact is, to get elected in post constitutional america, you gotta talk leftist.
The "consumers" all want more "free stuff"


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Re: You, too, have been duped.


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Msg. 276634  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 22:40:48:

In Reply to: You, too, have been duped. posted by Jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 22:33:44:

"Those who know, need not be told, and those who don't, can never be told!".
Karl Von Mueller
1967
Things haven't changed since then! Regards,
Unc

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Hey guys,how you you measure how much CO2 to put in a tank?By pounds?...


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Msg. 276633  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 22:40:15:

In Reply to: Curious about Bulk CO2... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 20:27:39:

So the master tank must have a guage on it to measure how much CO2 you have in the tank right?

I know that seems like a simple question,but remember I'm totally new to Bulk CO2.

Thanks-Josh P.
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Re: Yes, I invert the tank to get liquid in, but ...


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Msg. 276632  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 22:37:15:

In Reply to: Yes, I invert the tank to get liquid in, but ... posted by jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 19:29:03:

That's right Jeff. I usually store my CO2 guns in the basement where the temp. is usually about 66-67 degrees F. and keep my tanks outside, where the daytime temp. varys from about 75 degrees to 95 degrees here in N.C. in the summer. This temperature differential insures that you get the maximum amount of liquid CO2 transferred into the gun during filling. If there is any remaining CO2 in the gun and it is at an equal or higher temp. than the bulk tank, the gas pressure will be high enough in the gun to prevent sufficient liquid transfer from the bulk tank. This is an important point to remember. If you want to REALLY know how much liquid CO2 you've transferred after a fill you can weigh the bottle before filling and after with a postal scale, then you'll know exactly how many ounces were transferred. Regards,
Unc

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I read on Mac1's site...


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Msg. 276631  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 22:35:43:

In Reply to: Re: Curious about Bulk CO2... posted by Steve B. on August 17, 2000 at 20:56:22:

That you could put the smaller tank your gonna fill from the master tank in a freezer for 30 minutes so it will take the full fill,sounds like the easiest way for a newbie to Bulk to do it.

Any thoughts?

Thanks-Josh P.
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Re: I think your's is the RWS 35, am I right ? (nt)


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Msg. 276630  Posted by RL on August 17, 2000 at 22:35:32:

In Reply to: I think your's is the RWS 35, am I right ? (nt) posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 22:02:30:

Wrong!
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Re: What is the current state of quality of Air Arms products ?


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Msg. 276629  Posted by Richard B. Long on August 17, 2000 at 22:34:12:

In Reply to: Re: What is the current state of quality of Air Arms products ? posted by TStray on August 17, 2000 at 18:38:45:

Nothing has changed. If your on here for more than a week
you here the grief-still crap!
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Sid, I caught the bug last November......


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Msg. 276628  Posted by acet on August 17, 2000 at 22:33:50:

In Reply to: Airgunaholic posted by Sid Edgewater on August 17, 2000 at 22:01:35:

..but it was a different strand of virus: there's no varmint involved but I wanted to shoot at pin-head sized bulls at ten long paces. So far I've sold about half a dozen of firearms but had spent about twice the proceeds I got on airguns. This strand of virus attacks indoors so there is no relieve even when winter comes and you can imagine my concern about my future well-being. However, this concern has come to past after I contacted a number of airgunitis virus carriers in this area and found that when you get past a certain point, usually after a come-together with your latest acquisition, the virus will mutate and you will reach a state of nirvana and will happily accept the transformed being that is the new you. Some such nirvana had been recorded and can be seen on pages of "The Manic Compressive" or similar publications. So just relax Sid, and enjoy the journey that will take you from being a newbie to the status of airhead.
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Sid, I caught the bug last November......


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Msg. 276627  Posted by acet on August 17, 2000 at 22:33:46:

In Reply to: Airgunaholic posted by Sid Edgewater on August 17, 2000 at 22:01:35:

..but it was a different strand of virus: there's no varmint involved but I wanted to shoot at pin-head sized bulls at ten long paces. So far I've sold about half a dozen of firearms but had spent about twice the proceeds I got on airguns. This strand of virus attacks indoors so there is no relieve even when winter comes and you can imagine my concern about my future well-being. However, this concern has come to past after I contacted a number of airgunitis virus carriers in this area and found that when you get past a certain point, usually after a come-together with your latest acquisition, the virus will mutate and you will reach a state of nirvana and will happily accept the transformed being that is the new you. Some such nirvana had been recorded and can be seen on pages of "The Manic Compressive" or similar publications. So just relax Sid, and enjoy the journey that will take you from being a newbie to the status of airhead.
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You, too, have been duped.


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Msg. 276626  Posted by Jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 22:33:44:

In Reply to: Re: I'll see things differently when this country has... posted by Mark Lemm on August 17, 2000 at 21:11:37:

You've been fed the lies so often you believe them. 40 million without health insurance! What preposterous nonsense! NO ONE in this country is every denied health care because they're poor - even if a pregnant woman slipped over the border from Mexico into California this morning, she will - by law of the land - get free medical attention for herself and her child if she needs it. And the republicans are not out to destroy the air and water because the penalties for doing so are so severe.
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is the crosman 1077 worth my $?


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Msg. 276625  Posted by Eli Gratz on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:46:

It seems to have nice qualities. Anything i shoudl know about before i invest?
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Hog wash....(nt)


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Msg. 276624  Posted by Simon Slick on August 17, 2000 at 22:30:39:

In Reply to: If the only thing that matters to you is gun control... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 16:46:00:

x
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can you tell me more and where i can get a Mac-1 Mark1 LD pistol


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Msg. 276623  Posted by steve on August 17, 2000 at 22:29:22:

In Reply to: Re: Too much..... posted by James D. on August 17, 2000 at 19:48:16:

...
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Msg. 276622  Posted by Tom L. on August 17, 2000 at 22:28:35:

Has anyone ever tested accuracy with/without
a break on. Does it cause any disturbances I am
talking about a Beeman MB on an R9.
Tom L.
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Msg. 276621  Posted by Jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 22:27:08:

In Reply to: I'll see things differently when this country has... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:31:33:

Don't make your personal health problems EVERYBODY'S problem. If you want better health care for you and your family, then YOU pay for it. What's next? Higher taxes on all of us so you can have better food on your table? And don't preach to us about greedy companies. This is a capitalist nation which is precisely why we are so wealthy. If you want the government to step in and tell companies how much they can charge for their products, move to a communist country where "greedy" companies are state-owned and everyone has the same as everyone else, and wishes to God they lived in America.
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Msg. 276620  Posted by Chris in Va on August 17, 2000 at 22:24:38:

In Reply to: Re: Another Nail In Aussie Shooters Coffin posted by daisy on August 17, 2000 at 17:29:07:

Daisy,

That's OK, I was still getting over United stranding me in Nevada twice - on the way to LA, and then on the way back - so I should have used a Smiley or two :-)

What are Little Johnny Howard's chances?

Chris
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Msg. 276619  Posted by bing on August 17, 2000 at 22:23:07:

In Reply to: Airgunaholic posted by Sid Edgewater on August 17, 2000 at 22:01:35:

I am a airgunaholic also. I have been addicted for over ten maybe twelve years. I have seen, owned traded swapped shot fondled outgrew and discarded more than I reremember!
As tree rats go... I've found the best way to keep them away is to use a BLOWGUN. It works because they do not like to get stuck more than once. I have seen them come ruuning across my neighbors yard only to stop at my rock wall to look and stare into my yard. And if the tree rats do have brains, at that point they really use them and make a wide detour! So now I only have teach a few new ones a year. I get all my tree rats out in the deep woods of Conn. Happy hunting
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Msg. 276618  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 22:22:53:

In Reply to: RWS rear sight posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:52:50:

Albert,
I have a good used one if you want it. Price is $20 which includes shipping and instructions on how to install it. Email me if you want it. Regards,
Uncle Gary

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A-team Reg and Spring Kit...


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Msg. 276617  Posted by DougA on August 17, 2000 at 22:17:34:

Can someone tell me what these are, where to get them, the cost, and how difficult are they to install? As a Career 707 owner I'm almost embarrassed to admit to not having one, even though this is the first I have read about them.
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Msg. 276616  Posted by CJ on August 17, 2000 at 22:13:31:

In Reply to: Curious about Bulk CO2... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 20:27:39:

CJ

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HW30 piston seal


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Msg. 276615  Posted by T. McManus on August 17, 2000 at 22:13:20:

I am trying to find a piston seal and retainer for my son's hw30. It now has a leather seal which is quite worn and the retainer for the seal is cracked, but otherwise the piston is in good shape. Thank you
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Re: QB-88


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Msg. 276614  Posted by Dr.J. on August 17, 2000 at 22:13:02:

In Reply to: QB-88 posted by JS on August 17, 2000 at 13:22:16:

I have both. They are each accurate with Chinese match pellets with perhaps a slight edge for the 500 mg (blue label) over the 530 mg (green). The 88 has more velocity but the main advantage is the length of pull, which is in the typical range for US adults. The 41 has a short stock; purportedly because it was a training rifle for the Chinese Army whose soldiers are typically of smaller stature than Americans. Each is a good value in my opinion. Dr.J.
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Msg. 276613  Posted by DougA on August 17, 2000 at 22:09:38:

In Reply to: Re: What is the current state of quality of Air Arms products ? posted by TStray on August 17, 2000 at 18:38:45:

I've had mine for nearly 2 years, so things may have changed since then, I don't know.
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Re: markman 45 versus Beeman S1


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Msg. 276612  Posted by bill on August 17, 2000 at 22:07:27:

In Reply to: Re: markman 45 versus Beeman S1 posted by Dr.J. on August 17, 2000 at 21:52:41:

Oceanside CA, On clearance regular price was 159.
Now I have to find a place legal to shoot it.
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Msg. 276611  Posted by Art on August 17, 2000 at 22:06:33:

In Reply to: What scopes are least affected by parallax errors nt posted by Mike G on August 17, 2000 at 20:36:55:

Well I will try and answer this.
All scopes have parallax errors. With AO (adjustable objective) type of scopes you can correct the parallax but setting the objective lens to the correct yardage. If you are shooting at 20 yards set scope to 20 yards. It's best to look through the scope and focus in on the object itself. An AO type of scope can be corrected from about 10 yards to infinity for parallax.

.22 rimfire scopes and I believe airgun non AO type scopes have their parallax adjusted for 50 yards.

Centerfire non AO type scopes have their parallax adjusted for 100 yards.

I believe that takes care of most of the problems with only a small amount of parallax error remains and that may not cause that much of a problem wit the centerfires.

Airguns with the ranges being shorter causes more of a problem.

If you are wondering a 3x 9 AO airgun runs about $60 and go on up to $700 for higher power quality brand name types. There are quite a few good scopes for a lot less. You should probably write down some of your requirements you want in a scope so you can compare what's available. For example if you just plink you may not want to go High $$ and a $39 scope may be OK or if you are hunting and most shots you take are offhand a good 4x or 6x may be all you need. If you like to hunt crows then might need a 6x18 with AO so you can use 18 to range find and 6x for standing shots or roll it up to 18x if have a good rest and range is long.

This is just my opinion and is not meant to be all inclusive.

Hope this helps.
Art
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Msg. 276610  Posted by bill on August 17, 2000 at 22:05:23:

In Reply to: markman 45 versus Beeman S1 posted by Bill on August 17, 2000 at 15:27:04:

No it was new. the only one they had. on clearance, the regular price was 159. I wasnt sure it was worth that but it looked really well made with a stock better than my hunting rifle.
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Re: Career .22 rifle A-TEAM reg and spring kit


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Msg. 276609  Posted by DougA on August 17, 2000 at 22:03:57:

In Reply to: Re: Career .22 rifle A-TEAM reg and spring kit posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 19:53:16:

Where do I get the A-Team reg and how much is it (and how hard to install). Same questions for the spring kit. Thanks.
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Re: Al Gore equals more anti-gun legislation !!!!!!!!!


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Msg. 276608  Posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 22:03:14:

In Reply to: Al Gore equals more anti-gun legislation !!!!!!!!! posted by Derrin on August 17, 2000 at 21:50:16:

I agree 100 percent.
Hey Derrin did you ever find an S-310?

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Re: OK, now what about the rear one ?


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Msg. 276607  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 22:02:37:

In Reply to: OK, now what about the rear one ? posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:40:40:

Bent rear sights are often fixable. They need to be removed and manually straightened- gently. A good solid bench vise or even just Vise-grips help. RB
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I think your's is the RWS 35, am I right ? (nt)


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Msg. 276606  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 22:02:30:

In Reply to: Winchester Model 353 posted by Art on August 16, 2000 at 21:31:02:

..

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Msg. 276604  Posted by Sid Edgewater on August 17, 2000 at 22:01:35:

"High,my name is Sid,and I'm an airgunaholic".I caught the airgun bug in May of this year.At first the squirrels had a right to peacefully coexist with me.When they began digging under my foundation and new brick wall my attitude changed. I figured I'd go down to our local sporting goods store,get a cheap pellet gun,dispatch the critter humanely,then store the gun away only to be used occasionally from then on. With the bagging of the first rodent,I was hooked.From there on after it has only gotten worse.I went through tin after tin of different types of pellets.I worry about dumb things like spring life,shooting positions,footpounds delivered at 50 yds,parallax distortion,the coming of winter when the targets go into hibernation,the list could go on ad infinitum. I Now have read all there is to read on the net about airguns,I have bought two scopes,and now an RWS 54 is in a big brown truck being driven by a man wearing a brown shortpant outfit(can you say,"Toyman?") on it's way to my house.I know it's just a hobby,but I never thought I would be so engrossed in something like this.For those of you with my same disorder-will I get better,is there hope for me?"It's only a hobby,don't take it so seriously",I tell myself.
I was just stalking another pest/digger in my backyard not five minutes ago.I told myself I was going to wait to try and get it with the new 22 cal 54 but could not resist.Would it be more thoroughly dead if I shot it with the 54 as opposed to a Beeman S1?Fortunately for both the critter and myself,it managed to evade.The irony of it all is that I wanted to get rid of the varmints from my garden,now I hope for more to invade so the game can continue.Will I end up at an Airgunner's Anonimous meeting one day? Woe is me):
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Msg. 276603  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 22:00:02:

In Reply to: Parallax error variable-power scopes posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:07:50:

.

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Re: Hey Russ... 707 Lube for A-Team spring kit.........


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Msg. 276601  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 21:59:51:

In Reply to: Hey Russ... 707 Lube for A-Team spring kit......... posted by Jeff on August 17, 2000 at 20:43:27:

Jeff: you're welcome. I've worked with LOTs of lubricants over the years, and yes- my job requires an engineering background. RB
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Re: Pubs vs Dems


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Msg. 276600  Posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 21:59:42:

In Reply to: Pubs vs Dems posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 19:56:14:

I am as conservative as any of you here probably more than most and I just don't understand your way of thinking. I can understand it coming from the admitted Leftists on the board but from folks who are conservative in nature as I think you are James I don't get it.
James as I said in a post the other day, that kind of thinking is what gave us 8 years of the current administration.
And that kind of thinking again will give us 8 more years of the same.
Please tell me if I read you wrong but I understood your post to mean you were either staying home or going 3rd party. Hope I read it wrong.
Bush is the only way to vote in this election if you have those conservative views and there is a large difference between him and his opponent.



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Msg. 276599  Posted by BCall on August 17, 2000 at 21:57:40:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Firearm posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 09:52:06:

Mike,
After a little checking, I did find some info on the .17 Javelina. It is formed from the .222 Remington case, the .221 Fireball necked down is the .17 Mach IV. A great little magazine for small caliber stuff is "Small Caliber News." They have printed many articles by Mr. Eichelberger about the .14 caliber cartridges. I find them all extremely interesting. Neat idea about the sub-.177 airgun though. Intriguing to say the least. If you ever attempt it let us know. I think the main problem would be the difficulty in getting a quality barrel with shallow grooves suitable for airgun usage. The other guy who posted about the .12 caliber cap and ball pistol has intrigued me also. I would sure like to see one of those and one of the .10 caliber pistols you mentioned. I love those small calibers! Good coments, I enjoyed them. Bill
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Re: Thanks guys but...


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Msg. 276598  Posted by Jennifer on August 17, 2000 at 21:57:30:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks guys but... posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 23:43:44:

The BSA units are quite nice. You could get the superstar and a Theoben gas ram conversion for about $450. See Airgunwerks web page for conversion.

Very nice.
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Re: Breaking in a springer


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Msg. 276597  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 21:54:32:

In Reply to: Breaking in a springer posted by Sean on August 17, 2000 at 21:15:18:

Sean:parts are just wearing in for best fit and function. About 1000 shots. Gas rams maybe a little less. RB
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Re: markman 45 versus Beeman S1


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Msg. 276596  Posted by Dr.J. on August 17, 2000 at 21:52:41:

In Reply to: markman 45 versus Beeman S1 posted by Bill on August 17, 2000 at 15:27:04:

Bill: Did you buy at a K-mart in Oceanside CA or Oceanside Long Island NY? Do you know whether othr K-marts have the Marksman 45 for $63? I saw a closeout special for $110 and the ad claimed "identical to Beeman S1" so I was tempted. Sounds like I might do better. Advice appreciated. Dr.J.
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Msg. 276595  Posted by BSJ on August 17, 2000 at 21:52:25:

In Reply to: Parallax error variable-power scopes posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:07:50:

To reduce the amount of error concentrate on a consistent hold. If your eye is in the same place every time,
in relation to the scope, you will have very little parallax error. As you're looking through the scope pay
attention to where the crosshairs are. They should appear to be centered in the field of view.

Another trick is to place the scope a bit further away from your eye. So that there is a thin black ring
around the field of view. You can now very easily see when your eye isn't centered behind the scope.

I was a very good shot using non AO firearm scopes on airguns long before I even knew what parallax
was. I just messed around trying different things until I figured out what worked best for me.

Paying attention to these things even helps when you have an AO scope. After all, the key to accuracy is always
consistency.
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Msg. 276594  Posted by Derrin on August 17, 2000 at 21:50:16:

I WILL NOT talk politics or who you should vote for. However , Gore WILL continue to attack the lawful ownership of guns in America. Please think on this.
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Msg. 276593  Posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 21:41:30:

In Reply to: Re: New article on low cost scopes at Fun Supply posted by Pepi on August 17, 2000 at 21:11:10:

Don't know what warranty from factory yet.
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Re: 2240 VS. Backpacker


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Msg. 276592  Posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 21:38:39:

In Reply to: 2240 VS. Backpacker posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:47:17:

2250B is the co2 version as James said. Has a longer barrel than the 2240 thus more velocity. I have had both and I prefer the 2250B. For about 16 to 20 dollars more than the 2240 you get the stock, scope(cheap) and mounts, and the longer barrel. Not too bad. It's really fun to shoot.
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Msg. 276591  Posted by Charlie on August 17, 2000 at 21:36:25:

In Reply to: Career .22 rifle A-TEAM reg and spring kit posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 18:42:20:

Mark,

I know what you mean. The thrill of the Career is definitely back! I
installed an Ateam regulator last week (mine is set for 1600 psi).
No comparison to non-regulated gun!! It's so nice to see every shot
of a charge be dead-on. I shot a 1.5" group at 75 yards (ten shots)!
At first the stock Career was a thrilling gun. I got tired of the
accuracy problem without the regulator installed. Now the rifle is
back in the forefront of the ones I shoot regularly. Ray did a very nice
job!!!! Did you get his ballistic program? Definitely worth the $15.00!
I have my Career set for 780 fps for 35 regulated shots with the Dae Sung
30 grain pellets. I use my Career to compete against rimfire rifles in
.22 rimfire metallic silhouette. The ranges are 50 yards for the pigs,
75 yards for the chickens, and 100 yards for the rams. The Career delivers
well at all of those ranges. It always did, but now it does the job with
tremendous consistency.

Charlie

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Msg. 276590  Posted by bing on August 17, 2000 at 21:30:09:

In Reply to: Bing,a few more questions for you... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 20:54:50:

Owning a carbon dioxide bulk tank has the same responsibility and safty factors as owning a scuba tank!!!! But yes you can purchase a tank from your weld shop. But they have several options available,i.e. renting, not so good for airgunner unless you shoot alot. best to buy outright. A5 pounder should be less than 60 bucks in southern Ct. And the fill is less than $10.
I think approximately ten full fills. And if you tend to top things off before they are empty you will get alot more. I got out of carbon dioxide because it's a seasonal shotting source.
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Msg. 276589  Posted by Sean on August 17, 2000 at 21:15:18:

How many shots does it typically take to break in a springer (for instance, the Beeman Crow Magnum). And what is changing between the broken in rifle and the non-broken in rifle?

Thanks.
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Msg. 276588  Posted by Mark Lemm on August 17, 2000 at 21:11:37:

In Reply to: I'll see things differently when this country has... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:31:33:

I couldn't agree more. I love shooting but there
are more important things at stake in this election.
If the Repubs get in you can kiss the enviornment goodbye!
For me clean air and water is just a *little* more
important than how powerful an airgun I get to shoot.
Thanks for your comments Doc.

-Mark Lemm
Martinez CA
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Msg. 276587  Posted by Pepi on August 17, 2000 at 21:11:10:

In Reply to: New article on low cost scopes at Fun Supply posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 19:19:22:

Hi Jim

What is the warranty on these scope?

Thanks
Pepi
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Msg. 276586  Posted by Pepi on August 17, 2000 at 21:11:07:

In Reply to: New article on low cost scopes at Fun Supply posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 19:19:22:

Hi Jim

What is the warranty on these scope?

Thanks
Pepi
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Tech force 38s Hercules B4-2 - compatable stocks?


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Msg. 276585  Posted by Chris on August 17, 2000 at 21:09:34:

I've heard on a different airgun forum that the hercules B4-2 has a stock that is painted brown and it looks plastic. So, can you take the stock off of a Tech Force 38 and put it on a Hercules B4-2? Has anyone tried this? Any input would be appreciated! Thanks.
Chris
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Msg. 276584  Posted by Don R. on August 17, 2000 at 21:08:51:

In Reply to: Smith Wesson 77a valve repair info needed posted by CBrown on August 17, 2000 at 09:18:04:

Seems to me the hammer spring doesn't want to be in the right place when you finally try to jam the two receiver halves back together - a line-up pin helps some - sure are a lotta pieces inside this gun - worse than a 622. Do it when you have plenty of time & patience; good luck.
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Msg. 276583  Posted by Chavez on August 17, 2000 at 20:57:33:

In Reply to: RWS rear sight posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:52:50:


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Msg. 276582  Posted by Phillip Reedy on August 17, 2000 at 20:57:15:

In Reply to: Re: Japs?!? Tech Force guns are made in CHINA! By CHINESE people. posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 18:13:28:

Mike wrote:
"The use of the word Jap is sometimes derogatory but not always. Sometimes it's just a shortening of the word Japanese."

Hello Mike,

The shortening of a word is called an abbreviation. To shorten the word Japanese, you would write the abbreviation "Jap.". The *word* Jap is a derogatory word.

regards,
Phil Reedy
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Msg. 276581  Posted by Steve B. on August 17, 2000 at 20:56:22:

In Reply to: Curious about Bulk CO2... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 20:27:39:

Josh: I use a 20 lb. tank and get it refilled at a welding supply house for 12 bucks. This works because it is an industrial size. I don't know about other sizes, it has been said that Fire Extingisher places can fill them and if a 10 lb. bottle is for Beer Taps then a Beverage Distributor may be about to help you.

Your notion of fill bottle (oz.)divided into Big fill bottle (oz.) is correct except for one thing. The smaller fill bottle (or perhaps it's a tank) will generally be partially filled and then emptied to chill the tank down for the actual fill. The chill fill (kewl) will screw up the calculation. I'm using a 3 1/2 oz. tank that I chill till the lower half is frosted, then put it back on the big tank and go for the fill. I haven't a clue how much gas this uses - maybe an oz or two.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 276580  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 20:54:50:

In Reply to: Re: Curious about Bulk CO2... posted by bing on August 17, 2000 at 20:46:51:

So your saying that a 5 lb tank would be better than a 10 lb tank?I have 2 welding shops in my area,can they sell me a 5 lb tank,can they "hydrostaticly recertify" my tank in 5 years,and can they FILL the tank?

Any idea how many times a 5 lb tank can fill a 7 ounces bottle?

Thanks for answering all these questions,I'm considering getting started in bulk CO2.

Josh P.
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Msg. 276579  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:52:50:

Hello !

Do anybody knows where I could find an used or new RWS rear sight (well, if it is sold with the front sight, I would take it also, I think) ?

Thanks a lot !
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Msg. 276577  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:47:23:

In Reply to: What scopes are least affected by parallax errors nt posted by Mike G on August 17, 2000 at 20:36:55:

Ok, although I'm not really well placed to answer your post, I would say those with AO (of course those made for airguns, not like mine, you'll regret it)

Al
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Msg. 276576  Posted by bing on August 17, 2000 at 20:46:51:

In Reply to: Curious about Bulk CO2... posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 20:27:39:

Carbon Dioxide cannot be purchased at a dive shop! If you have a 10 lb. tank or even better is a 5 lb. tank. It must have what is kwon as a 'syphon' tube. which is a tube from the valve to the bottom of the tank, so the liquid, and not the gas, will come out the valve. You will be using the liquid, and when you "syphon" some from the tank, the space vacated by the liquid is replaced by the gas vapors. There is only so much room for the gas to expand so the rest stays as a liquid. Which is why you will NOT get the full poundage that you pay for. The tank it self must be recertified hydrostaticly every five years. The best and cheapest place to make this purchase is at your local welding shop.
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Sorry ! Those weren't CP but Crosman flat-noses... are those OK ?


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Msg. 276575  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:44:17:

In Reply to: Re: Yeah... but it's strange though posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 20:27:54:

well at least "Premier" is not written on the tin !

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Hey Russ... 707 Lube for A-Team spring kit.........


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Msg. 276574  Posted by Jeff on August 17, 2000 at 20:43:27:

Hey Russ, are you an engineer? I ordered the spring kit from The A-Team and was in need of a lube to install the kit. I decided to use white litheum grease. I was told it would be OK. The trigger pull in a world better than it was without the kit. I also installed the heavy spring supplied in the kit. The gun is whisper quiet on low power setting. I have not had the chance to try it on full power. I have been off the computer for a few days,and I go back to check my post on spring lubes and you question w/lith. So far so good. Just thought that I would babble, later! And thanks.......
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OK, now what about the rear one ?


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Msg. 276572  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:40:40:

In Reply to: Re: Loose front sight ! posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 20:11:57:

Ok thanks a lot Russ, it works like new now !

Now, I've got another problem (this one seems tougher though (sp)) :

Hmmm perhaps you read it in my other post, but my rear sight is slightly deformed, it is not more horizontal. The main frame (the long U made in metal that you screw on the barrel, where you screw on the sight) is the part that is giving the sight this non-horizontal look, and that's quite disturbing when shooting. Do you know what can I do ? Can I buy or get used other RWS/Dianawerk rear sights ?

Thanks a lot already !

Al
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Msg. 276571  Posted by Mike G on August 17, 2000 at 20:36:55:

nt
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Re: .177 Firearm


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Msg. 276570  Posted by Jim R on August 17, 2000 at 20:32:37:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Firearm posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 09:52:06:

I seem to recall that at one time you could mail-order (adds in the back of, ehem, comic books) a 0.12 caliber cap&ball revolver. Never had the guts as a 12 year old to buy one, though.

Jim R
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Msg. 276569  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 20:27:54:

In Reply to: Yeah... but it's strange though posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:20:43:

CP's aren't the best in every gun. That's why I test various pellets in each gun I shoot or buy. RB
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Curious about Bulk CO2...


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Msg. 276568  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 20:27:39:

I'm curious about Bulk CO2,I read somewhere that you can buy a 5 or 10 lb tank,made for serving beer and use it to fill Bulk airgun tanks,is this
true?If so,what happens when the 10 lb tank itself runs out?I dont have a paintball shop nearby(that I know of)so would like a welding shop be able to fill it for me?If not a welding shop-who can?

Also,approx. how many times could a 10 lb tank made for serving beer be able to fill a 7 ounce bottle?Can I just do 10x16(16 ounces in a lb.)and then divide that figure with the capacity of the Co2 bottle(7 ounces)?I hope that wasnt a stupid question...

Thanks-Josh P.
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Each rifle has its place. But CCB longs don't work for me.


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Msg. 276567  Posted by GF on August 17, 2000 at 20:27:35:

In Reply to: The Heretic Speaks posted by Happy Gardener on August 15, 2000 at 23:32:27:

I have a FWB 300 S match that is a near tack driver even at 22 yards. I have killed starlings with this rifle out to 60 yards.
My TX200 is much more powerful than the FWB but not quite as accurate. I have killed pigeons out to 60 yards and a squirrel with this rifle at 63 yards.
My Anshutz 64 MPR with a legal homemade silencer is shooting 1 hole groups at 50 yards with Lapua Scoremax. With the silencer it is about as loud as the FWB and quieter than the TX200. I can shoot the 22LR most anytime I want, because the neigbors will never hear it.
The 22LR could never be fired in the hangers, where I hunt, as it would blow a hole in the roof every time. The FWB 300 S match won't dependably kill pigeons at 50 yards. The TX200 fills a nice nich between these too. Neither of the pellet riles will do anything like the 22LR beyond 40 yards. But the 22LR is dangerous upt to 1.5 miles. Each rifle has its place.
But CCB longs were far to inaccurate to use in my rifle.
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Msg. 276566  Posted by Lew on August 17, 2000 at 20:24:18:

In Reply to: The scene in Canada licks... posted by Fearon Steele on August 17, 2000 at 19:36:17:

http://www.lebaron.ca
sells high powered air rifles, ( >1000fps ) but you need FAC for over 500 fps.
All Crosmans in Canada are less than 500 fps though.

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Re: Russ, don't you think this could result from an inconsistent hold? (NT)


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Msg. 276565  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 20:22:52:

In Reply to: Russ, don't you think this could result from an inconsistent hold? (NT) posted by John Sa. on August 17, 2000 at 01:40:05:

John: it could well be a hold issue too, but I KNOW that non-AO scopes have driven me crazy trying to get small groups, unless I was totally meticulous about consistent hold. A hold sensitive gun gets even worse when the scope's parallax isn't right on the money. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 276564  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:20:43:

In Reply to: Re: At least I was right for one point : I was confused posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 20:13:49:

I keep tighter groups with Copperhead Pointed .177 than with CPs... Well, I throw away 1 Copperhead on ten cause it looks strange, but... seems strange that for 3$ I can get 500 pellets better in my rifle than CPs.
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Msg. 276563  Posted by dscott on August 17, 2000 at 20:19:59:

In Reply to: What Rifle and Scope for Airgun Silhouette? (nt) posted by dscott on August 17, 2000 at 11:09:05:

What caliber is your gun? Is it a FAC or 12 ft. lbs.? What brand pellet do you use? Thanks for your help!
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Msg. 276562  Posted by Roger Barker on August 17, 2000 at 20:13:51:

In Reply to: Re: Career .22 rifle A-TEAM reg and spring kit posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 19:53:16:

Thanks, Mark,

I have the rifle in .177 and the carbine in .22. The rifle has the A-Team regulator and light trigger return spring. I love it, & am thinking of getting the regulator for the carbine. I was wondering just what I’d give up in peak power. Thanks again.

Roger Barker

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Msg. 276561  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 20:13:49:

In Reply to: Re: At least I was right for one point : I was confused posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:50:11:

That's it pretty much. Sometimes, some pellet testing will reveal a better shooting pellet, and the groups can get smaller (less flyers). RB
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Msg. 276560  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 20:11:57:

In Reply to: Loose front sight ! posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:08:50:

Albert: if the screw is too long and is bottoming before getting tight, grind off a couple threads worth of length (and then re-touch the thread ends smooth). It should then snug up. (assuming it's the proper thread for the hole). RB
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Loose front sight !


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Msg. 276559  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 20:08:50:

Hello !

I wanted to put back again my iron sights on my rifle, just to see what groups I was able to get with them.

I can't keep my front sight from moving ! I screw it on it's rail (RWS model 36-like sight), until I can't anymore, but it keeps on moving from right to left if I touch it just a bit... Do you have tips to screw it more ?

Thanks !

-Al
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Msg. 276558  Posted by Ted on August 17, 2000 at 20:04:24:

In Reply to: Re: My kid knocked his front teeth out on a bike, useless helmet. YOUR POINT! posted by Cody Dotter on August 17, 2000 at 06:21:49:

Mine got a B-1 and a chinese break barrel pistol, both under 400 fps. Try to teach them safe habits but they will screw up and ignore safty tips.
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Msg. 276557  Posted by jeffl on August 17, 2000 at 20:03:14:

In Reply to: Re: Rifle Orders from Straight Shooters posted by Sid E. on August 17, 2000 at 19:06:58:

I too have bought several guns from them in excellent condition but my comment relates to there service.
I needed a $3 bottle of chamber oil and frankly I was embaressed to phone in an order and charge it for such a small amount so I added some pellets and stuff that I did not really need at that time. Somehow they figured out what I was doing and assured me that they are just as happy to provide a $3 item as a $1000 gun. Of course next time I buy a $1000 gun it will be from Straight shooters. Why can't all the other businesses and services I buy from figure out this piece of logic?
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Msg. 276556  Posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 20:02:11:

In Reply to: How soon and how much, James?....nt posted by Chavez on August 17, 2000 at 19:54:24:

Don't know got em ordered, exact price and deivery is a mystery. A bit cheaper than the BSA brand tho.

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Re: Russ?


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Msg. 276555  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 20:02:05:

In Reply to: Russ? posted by Sloop on August 16, 2000 at 23:54:55:

Sloop: it's just as powerful as a FWB 124. Mine shoots Cp lites at around 820 fps and Silver Bears at around 860. BSA hardly advertised the gun to the masses (perhaps not at all) don't ask me why. It was not particularly easy to tune either. I have a review of it in the FAQ section of the BSA Owners Club site. RB
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Msg. 276554  Posted by Chavez on August 17, 2000 at 20:01:26:

In Reply to: Re: 2240 VS. Backpacker posted by James D. on August 17, 2000 at 19:56:51:


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Msg. 276553  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 17, 2000 at 19:59:32:

In Reply to: Re: Japs?!? Tech Force guns are made in CHINA! By CHINESE people. posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 18:13:28:

In retrospect, I may have been a little harsh. However, I lived in Japan for many years, and my wife is Japanese. I often deal with the term -- as do my wife and children. On a sliding scale, the use of the term is either careless, lazy, thoughtless, or indicative of deep-seated prejudice. In any case, it is ALWAYS unappreciated by those to whom it "sticks".
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Re: Yes enough derogatory comments.


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Msg. 276552  Posted by Ted on August 17, 2000 at 19:58:36:

In Reply to: Re: Japs?!? Tech Force guns are made in CHINA! By CHINESE people. posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 18:13:28:

Tech Force, most of their product line is under 100 what do you want for under 100. If you want to exceed 100 shop other than chinese. If you are not going to shoot but a couple times a year buy a cheap plinker chinese, crosman, daisy, etc, want to make it a once a week or more habbit of 500+ rnds a week buy a good airgun. Want a colectable buy one.
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Msg. 276551  Posted by James D. on August 17, 2000 at 19:56:51:

In Reply to: 2240 VS. Backpacker posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:47:17:

The 2240 is a C02 pistol, the Backpacker is a Pneumatic carbine.
2250 c02 carbine
2289 pump carbine
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Msg. 276550  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:56:46:

In Reply to: Do you think I could shoot better with iron sights ? posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:54:41:

Free is the BEST price going ! Nothing wrong with that! RB
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Pubs vs Dems


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Msg. 276549  Posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 19:56:14:

In Reply to: And I suppose you think that the... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:38:46:

They are both socialists now, embracing the whole egalitarialn, totalitarian agenda. But the Pubs move slower. Depends on whether you want to go to hell on the slow boat ot the fast train.

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Msg. 276548  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:55:12:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks guys but... posted by Chris on August 17, 2000 at 11:35:32:

Damn! You mean I have a collectors item already? I reviewed the .22 Silverstar that was doing the airgun show circuit, then bought a .177 SilverStar (now tuned and with a tricked out trigger). It's a shooter! RB
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Msg. 276547  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:54:41:

In Reply to: Re: At least I was right for one point : I was confused posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:47:54:

Well, not exactly iron sights. The rifle was owned by somebody else before me, who was sometimes careless, so the rear sight suffer from a deformation... instead of being level, it formes an angle of more or less 15 degrees with the barrel... And my front sight is pretty loose, I can't screw it more, it becomes too tough to ! And I don't want to use a drill (for obvious reasons). And sorry, no $$$ to spend on another scope or red-dot for the moment. (don't laugh for the rifle, I got it for free).

Thanks a lot !

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Msg. 276546  Posted by Chavez on August 17, 2000 at 19:54:24:

In Reply to: New article on low cost scopes at Fun Supply posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 19:19:22:


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Msg. 276545  Posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 19:53:16:

In Reply to: Re: Career .22 rifle A-TEAM reg and spring kit posted by Roger Barker on August 17, 2000 at 19:46:58:

I used 14.3 premiers max vel is 1069 next click down was 1055 next down was 1009 next down was 925 next down was 830
With kodiaks max vel is 950 The reg is set at 1700psi. I used the med hammer spring and the light return spring.
Hope this helps
MarkD
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Msg. 276544  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:50:11:

In Reply to: Re: At least I was right for one point : I was confused posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:47:54:

So I should be happy with 1/2"-3/4" groupings at 10 meters and 1"-1"1/2 at 25 meters ? Even if my rifle is a POS -but supposedly able to shoot better than that ?
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Msg. 276543  Posted by James D. on August 17, 2000 at 19:48:16:

In Reply to: Too much I think..... posted by Fearon Steele on August 17, 2000 at 03:41:16:

I agree.

For the price one could have a custom Mac-1 Mark1
LD pistol! Or two P3's, or even a Baikal IZH-46.
(maybe a Mac-1 modified IZH-46)

If you have access to a P1 and can inspect it, or
shoot it, i'm sure that will shy you away from
one.


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Msg. 276542  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:47:54:

In Reply to: At least I was right for one point : I was confused posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:34:19:

It really depends on the scope, but the error could be an inch to an inch and a half. Scattered 'groupings' is common with parallax problems. RB
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Msg. 276541  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:47:17:

Isn't the backpacker a 2240 with a stock on it or is it a different gun? Crosman.com has them listed for different velicoites what is the deal? They look the same.
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Msg. 276540  Posted by Roger Barker on August 17, 2000 at 19:46:58:

In Reply to: Career .22 rifle A-TEAM reg and spring kit posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 18:42:20:

Mark,

Just wondering, what pellet did you use, what's your max. velocity with Kodiaks, & what psi regulator do you have?

Roger Barker

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Msg. 276539  Posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 19:45:30:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 Pellet Selection... posted by Doug A on August 17, 2000 at 18:57:03:

I too believe this to be true> two pellets traveling the same speed the heavier one should be the best choice. But at 80 yrds the premiers and the kodiaks were a tie in fact they hit to the same point of impact at 80yrds at the time the kodiaks were .5 inches low at 40 yrds and the speeds were about the same so therefore I concluded no real outstanding winner (not including energy, just accuracy)
I do not shoot much game at this distance so I really do not worry about the retained energy factor.
MarkD
PS I recomend you shoot every pellet you can because it is fun trying all the different types
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Msg. 276537  Posted by James D. on August 17, 2000 at 19:39:22:

In Reply to: Re: spotting scope posted by ^tg^ on August 17, 2000 at 07:03:14:

I bought an Orion 80mm short-tube. Multi-coated optics, 6x right image finder, R&P focuser, $221 including a 10mm and a 25mm kellner EP, and a 2x barlow. Cheaper than a Kowa, Swift, Redfield, Team Unertl, etc. Smaller in size when compared to Tasco's, Bushnell's, etc.

The purpose was to help me see .22 holes at 200 yards, (rimfire), and for Star gazing.
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Msg. 276536  Posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:38:46:

In Reply to: The only thing that matters to me is my freedom. (nt) posted by All-American on August 17, 2000 at 19:20:23:

Republicans will give you more of it?

Get real.

Doc
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Msg. 276535  Posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:37:04:

In Reply to: Yes please..................Doc and Steve B............... posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 19:27:29:

he not my type AND he doesn't like Corvairs!

Doc
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Msg. 276534  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 17, 2000 at 19:36:17:

In Reply to: Airguns canada only sells Crosman, is this true? posted by s[i]lencer on August 17, 2000 at 15:40:48:

..unfortuneately we just don't have the market base, coupled with our stupid laws to bring in the "good stuff".

Check out Granlund Firearms in Cambell River, BC. They import the good stuff straight from the German factories. They can also sell you a detuned airgun so you won't need an FAC and their prices are competitive with US dealers. I've ordered a Weihrauch rifle and pistol from them and the service is good. They occasionally have used airguns as well.
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Msg. 276533  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 19:35:39:

Do you think that the airshot gun would work for frogs under 10 yards? Just dumping 8# shot down the tube and putting cotton as a wad to stop it would work for frogs?
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Msg. 276532  Posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 19:34:36:

In Reply to: Re: Parallax error variable-power scopes posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:25:38:

Here is the story, they are both right, just looking at it from different perspectives.
A lower power scope will exhibit less parallax thru out a wider range of distances than a higher power one. but it it is still only right at one distance and this is hard to tell exactly with a low power scope because it has a high depth of field. Objects are more or less in focus over a wide range.

A high power, on the other hand will be terrible, both in focus and parralax at any distance other than that which it is focused, so you can get it exactly right, IF your have good scope capable of focusing at these short distances.
It has a very low depth of field, making it easier, but more time cnsuming, to get everything just so so.
Move outside the short depth of field, things go real bad, real fast.

Hope this makes sense.



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Msg. 276531  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:34:19:

In Reply to: Re: Parallax error variable-power scopes posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:28:35:

Well, let's assume that my rifle is an old 70's nearly POS, near the 700 fps, what kind of loss of accuracy should I get with a cheapo Bushnell scope, parrallax free at 50 yards, when I'm shooting at 10 meters ? I would get less p. error at 30 meters, right ?

Thanks!
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Msg. 276530  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 17, 2000 at 19:31:59:

In Reply to: Owners of more than one gun how do ya.......... posted by Tom B on August 16, 2000 at 20:03:41:

If I am drawing down on a gray squirrel in the garden or birdfeeder, I pulll out the .22 cal RWS 48 (trusty elephant gun equivalent). If I am gonna pop a grackle or starling at under 30 yards, I drag out the .22 RWS 34 (considered my 30:30 equivalent). If I want to reach out there at 40 plus yards for a bird or head shoot a squirrel out to about 40 yards max (just for a change of pace), I grab the .177 BSA Super Star (considered as my long range sniper special). When I need a blast from the past, I reach back in the closet & find my old 1958 .177 Benjamin (can't see the rear sight very well anymore, but fun). If you really want to see if you have all of your springers sighted in properly for the same hold technique, then line them up & shoot 2 or 3 shots with each one at a target. Keep playing with them until you can go from one to the other without an "adjustment" shot or two being required as you switch guns. That ought to keep you busy for a while!! Have a good one!
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Msg. 276529  Posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:31:33:

In Reply to: I think you guys will see things differently when we have a 500 fps law like canada,or a 12 ft lb law like the UK.(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 18:43:45:

national health insurance LIKE Canada and the UK. I strongly believe that there should only be one health insurance company and it should be owned by American citizens. No more HMO's deciding who can get health insurance and who can't (because of age, medicare, etc.). No more HMO CEOs getting paid millions in bonuses as a reward for minimizing it's benefits to their subscribers. And, it's about time that somebody stand up to our greedy pharmaceutical companies. Why are the elderly forced to take bus trips to Canada and Mexico to buy their needed medications at 1/2 to 1/3 the US price?

Our country is the richest and most advanced country on earth yet we still have more than 40 million of our citizens without health insurance. This is nothing less than a national disgrace and has much greater implications than Clinton's stupid indiscretion that the Repulican party can't seem to have enough of.

In the mean time, for ME, the threat of more gun control laws in the US goes on the back burner.

Now I'll get off my soapbox.

Thank you,

Doc
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Msg. 276528  Posted by jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 19:29:03:

In Reply to: Re: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots? posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 15:56:19:

I think the gun needs to be cool for the best fill. I've gotten nearly 100 shots from a 112 that was refrigerator cooled before filling.
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Msg. 276527  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:28:35:

In Reply to: Re: Parallax error variable-power scopes posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:25:38:

You are confused. I told you to use the highest power! RB
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Msg. 276526  Posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 19:27:29:

In Reply to: You got that right... posted by Steve B. on August 17, 2000 at 17:27:48:

vote for Nadar and please tell all of your liberal friends to do the same. He is exactly what a good liberal needs. HeeHee. It wasn't my original idea. I owe that to the guy who posted to my post a few days ago, I believe it was HG. Thanks HG.
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Msg. 276525  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:25:38:

In Reply to: Re: Parallax error variable-power scopes posted by Roland Martens on August 17, 2000 at 19:22:17:

Well, I don't know if I have strange eyes, but I do focus down to 10 meters at 7x. Don't ask me why, but my dad and brother aren't able to do so (?).

So now Russ tells me that I should stay to 3x to get less error, and Roland tells the opposite. Who's right or wrong ? I'm a bit confused...
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Msg. 276524  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:23:36:

In Reply to: Re: Eley Wasp Domes posted by Bubba on August 17, 2000 at 11:57:23:

Bubba ! How be ya? Those Wasps are the deadliest pellet in my Walther LG-55. I use 'em for silhouette shooting with the Walther (peep sighted). Russ
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Msg. 276523  Posted by All American on August 17, 2000 at 19:22:39:

In Reply to: animal shooting question posted by Mike Lee on August 17, 2000 at 11:30:51:

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Msg. 276522  Posted by Roland Martens on August 17, 2000 at 19:22:17:

In Reply to: Re: Parallax error variable-power scopes posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:11:44:

Russ:
I think he is getting a blurry image because the scope he is using cannot focus at airgun ranges.
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Msg. 276521  Posted by All-American on August 17, 2000 at 19:20:23:

In Reply to: If the only thing that matters to you is gun control... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 16:46:00:

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Msg. 276520  Posted by Roland Martens on August 17, 2000 at 19:20:08:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 Pellet Selection... posted by Doug A on August 17, 2000 at 18:57:03:

If you can get the Dae Sungs moving at some 900 fps, they will be unbeatable at that range. Much more downrange energy, speed, thus lesser flight time, lesser wind influence.


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Msg. 276519  Posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 19:19:22:

URL below
Advice on low cost scope for airguns.
Why spend a bundle when you don't have to?

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Msg. 276518  Posted by Mitch on August 17, 2000 at 19:19:16:

In Reply to: Parallax error variable-power scopes posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:07:50:

Russ must have thought you were talking about rangefinding error.
Parallax error does get worse with higher magnification, that's why scopes under 10x don't normally have AO unless they are intended for airguns.
Parallax error gets a lot worse at close ranges. I once reset a fixed focus 4x scope at 10M and it was way off at 7M. OTOH, the same scope focused at 100 yards would work fine at 50 yards.
Parallax error is not a factor if you always center your eye perfectly behind the scope. To check for error, put the gun in a vise, aim it at your target, and wiggle your head while looking through the scope. If the reticle wanders around on the target, you've got error.
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Msg. 276517  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:16:36:

In Reply to: Re: Wonderfully written treatise on the history of gun controls. posted by Mark er on August 17, 2000 at 09:00:53:

Mark: even though it's equivalent to 55 printed pages in length, it should be required reading for all shooters and LEGISLATORS !. RB
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Msg. 276516  Posted by Sid E. on August 17, 2000 at 19:16:01:

In Reply to: Re: markman 45 versus Beeman S1 posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 18:44:30:

I have an S1.Paid $169.I'm on my second one.The first jammed shut and would't open.Had no complaints until then.I've had no others to compare it to.Bagged plenty of squirrels at 40-50 yards with it.
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Msg. 276515  Posted by Roland Martens on August 17, 2000 at 19:15:20:

In Reply to: Parallax error variable-power scopes posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:07:50:

Of course, with less magnification you will have larger depth of field, thus less parallax, but I imagine you bought a 3-7 because you want to use the 7x magnification!

With an airgun rated scope you would'nt have this kinda problem.

Roland Martens
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Msg. 276514  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:11:44:

In Reply to: Parallax error variable-power scopes posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:07:50:

Al: the higher the power you are dialed to, the less error you should have. This is because the optical depth of field gets shorter as power increases. (more accurate ranging). In 2x7 scopes (or other low powered scopes) it's difficult to rangefind accurately because of the long depth of field. RB
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Msg. 276513  Posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 19:11:23:

In Reply to: You got that right... posted by Steve B. on August 17, 2000 at 17:27:48:

picking the guy who will most likely do the least amount of damage to our country?

You're 100% right, it is pathetic. But...you gotta vote!

Doc
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Msg. 276512  Posted by Albert on August 17, 2000 at 19:07:50:

Hi !

Can I reduce my scope's parallax error if I'm on 3x instead of 7x ? Well, that's what a webpage told, but I want to make sure with you guys...

Thanks a lot !

Al
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Msg. 276511  Posted by Sid E. on August 17, 2000 at 19:06:58:

In Reply to: Re: Rifle Orders from Straight Shooters posted by Andrew on August 17, 2000 at 16:44:16:

I recently got a scope and a sampler from them which arrived in perfect condition.Am currently awaiting the arrival of an RWS54 from same.Kevin has been only curteous and respectful and patient with my questions over the phone.He answers all of my e-mails within 24 hrs.I expect the gun will arrive timely and in excellent condition.
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Msg. 276510  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 19:03:27:

In Reply to: TX200 break-in problem? posted by FPoole on August 17, 2000 at 13:51:31:

Mine did the same thing, and started doing it in the middle of an FT last summer. Blew my scope dope all to hell, because velocity jumped to 1034 fps with CP lites! The dieseling probably cost me close to 10 points in that match. I later tore it down, cleaned it and lubed with moly, plus fitted a tighter piston seal. All is well now. RB
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Msg. 276509  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 18:58:11:

In Reply to: Other factors being equal ... posted by ProfHoff on August 17, 2000 at 14:16:56:

Pellet weight has something to do with it. ld has said that for dieseling .177's, use a heavier pellet for a few shots; and I think using two lighter pellets (in an 'emergency') will accomplish the same thing. RB
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Msg. 276508  Posted by Doug A on August 17, 2000 at 18:57:03:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 Pellet Selection... posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 18:48:25:

Someone told me that the farther out you are shooting the heavier the pellet should be. Is this wrong? Are the Crossmans heavy enough at that range? Thanks.

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Msg. 276506  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 18:54:23:

In Reply to: CO2 Cartridges posted by Mark Budai on August 17, 2000 at 14:25:21:

Mark: they are scrap metal after being used. Save them for a yearly trip to the dump. Metal recyclers may pay $25/ton for steel. RB
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Msg. 276505  Posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 18:54:14:

In Reply to: For all you Career owners. (URL/Photos) posted by RGunn on August 17, 2000 at 17:13:33:

Randy, I got to get you some pictures this fall after some good squirril hunting action.
I know the gun (Career) is ugly in fact it is butt ugly but the things SHOOT!!!
MarkD
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Msg. 276504  Posted by CJ on August 17, 2000 at 18:51:36:

In Reply to: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots? posted by jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:22:01:

I've got my QB bulked and put a remote line on it for FT. The line goes in my lane box 400shots and consistant.

Lob'n lead
CJ
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Msg. 276503  Posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 18:48:25:

In Reply to: Career 707 Pellet Selection... posted by Doug A. on August 17, 2000 at 18:40:05:

I would recomend below 950 and above 850 for long range. Over 900 you may have some leading going on but I feel you need the speed for long range. I get about 300 shots with premiers over 900 and I have to clean, but I figure that is the price you pay for with high velocity.
I have found that premiers and kodiaks shoot the best out of my .22 Career.
MarkD
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Msg. 276502  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 18:44:30:

In Reply to: markman 45 versus Beeman S1 posted by Bill on August 17, 2000 at 15:27:04:

$63 !!! Wow ! Is it new or remanufactured?
These aren't bad actually, and at that price, it's terrific value. The main difference is the stock and possibly the front sight (not sure on that one).
BTW, if you ever want to remove the front sight for scoping purposes, heat the plastic with a high wattage hair dryer until the plastic is too hot to touch, then place a wooden block behind the front sight and strike the block several times with a mallet. The sight will pop off. Someone may need to hold the gun firmly while you do this. RB
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Msg. 276501  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 18:43:45:

In Reply to: If the only thing that matters to you is gun control... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 16:46:00:


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Msg. 276500  Posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 18:42:20:

I just had to tell you guys about the performance of this Career again because it just does not stop amazing me!
I ordered the A-TEAM reg and spring kit, got it on monday and installed it yesterday. Fairly simple instalation.
The trigger went from 2.5 pounds to somewhere under a pound. The hammer is not as loud as it use to be. Shooting it over the chrony from a 3000psi fill The vel went from 935fps to 909fps after 69 shots!
If you are like me, you may be asking yourself "so" what does this all mean it sounds good but how does it perform in shooting?
I have swinging targets at 30yrds 40yrds 50yrds and at 80yrds. While shooting today I decided to try the 80yrd target. Top swinger is 1.5x1.5 inches bottom swinger is 2x2inches it just happens to work out that at 4x (bushnell 4x12 trophy) using the post as the aiming device it is dead on at 80yrds (yup targets at 80yrds are very small with 4x) after hitting the bottom swinger 3 times in a row (big smiles all over my face) I decided to go for the top one) I hit it with the next 5 shots at 80 yrds (measured with bushnell 400 range finder) Ok so this may very well be possible you say (this is what I said being I am a skeptic)what if you charged the gun back up? Well I went and charged it, the gun was at 1800psi I charged it up to 2750psi (all the tank would give, did not feel like pumping)went back outside and shot 5 times the first 2 were missis then 3 in a row were hits (now I am dancing around on the deck thank god no neighbors could see!!)
I would have to say that the Career has always shot nice groups but now they should be in the same place for atleast 69 shots!!!
Look out squirrels, fall is comming fast and the Career and I are ready!!
MarkD
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Msg. 276499  Posted by Art on August 17, 2000 at 18:41:03:

In Reply to: Re: Dave, tell Dave... posted by peter huppertz on August 17, 2000 at 12:21:00:

Very interesting , I really never thought about using an everyday object and using it to help estimate distance.

I also ride motorcycles 35 years with 6 years racing and 1 year as a pro. That was a long time ago.

Well thanks for the info and good luck in FT.
Art
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Msg. 276498  Posted by Doug A. on August 17, 2000 at 18:40:05:

I will be target shooting tomorrow with my .22 Career 707 at 100 yards. I have Crossmans (14.5g), Beeman Silver Arrows (21g), and Dai Suns (31g). I'm sure one of the last 2 would be best, but not sure if one would be better than the other. Which pellet and which of the 12 power settings do you recommend?
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Msg. 276497  Posted by TStray on August 17, 2000 at 18:38:45:

In Reply to: Re: What is the current state of quality of Air Arms products ? posted by Doug A on August 17, 2000 at 18:34:43:

How long have you had yours ?
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Msg. 276496  Posted by Tom B on August 17, 2000 at 18:38:15:

In Reply to: Re: What is the current state of quality of Air Arms products ? posted by Doug A on August 17, 2000 at 18:34:43:

quality is not a problem with any of the AA guns I have they work just fine as well as shoot better than I do (1-TX mk V in 177 JM tuned , 1-TX mk V in 22 cal stock,1-PE in 22 cal best tuned)
all of mine were bought used and were stock when bought
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Msg. 276495  Posted by TStray on August 17, 2000 at 18:37:01:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 400 Info needed posted by DT Fletcher on August 17, 2000 at 04:52:20:

It has the cross-bolt safety,and it still has a few days left.
This one could get interesting.
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Msg. 276494  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 18:36:49:

In Reply to: Re: How to determine the 'best' pellet for my gun? (QB-88) posted by Art on August 17, 2000 at 09:49:23:


Thanks for the mention Art and yes, I do use Ivory soap as a part of my gun/ammo testing. --- Mr.P
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Msg. 276493  Posted by Russ Best on August 17, 2000 at 18:35:40:

In Reply to: Rifle Orders from Straight Shooters posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 16:38:59:

Jihn: I've ordered several guns from them, and received lots more for tunes. Service is excellent and I've yet to see a damaged gun arrive. Don't worry about the expensive case yet. RB
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Msg. 276492  Posted by Doug A on August 17, 2000 at 18:34:43:

In Reply to: What is the current state of quality of Air Arms products ? posted by TStray on August 17, 2000 at 18:15:26:

Extremely high quality. At least that has been my experience with my .22 pro-elite.
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Msg. 276490  Posted by G. Jang on August 17, 2000 at 18:29:58:

In Reply to: Re: New comer alert!!! posted by Wade on August 15, 2000 at 16:17:40:

Neck shots in some ways may be more effective and efficient. There is slighty less movement and it is somewhat more hitable in the vertical plane when the bird's head becomes erect when slightly alerted.
GJ
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Msg. 276489  Posted by Chris on August 17, 2000 at 18:25:48:

In Reply to: Rifle Orders from Straight Shooters posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 16:38:59:

I ordered a Beeman R7 (sweetness)last year. Great service. Gun was in excellant condition. I've since ordered many accessories and not a one problem.
happy shooting,
Chris
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Msg. 276488  Posted by Steve B. on August 17, 2000 at 18:24:12:

In Reply to: 2240 question posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 17:27:46:

Matt: Go to Mac1's site he's got various setups and prices. The setup is a bit different than Mr. Bulk's. But they are commerially available.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 276487  Posted by steve on August 17, 2000 at 18:17:55:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin/Sheridan 392 lubrication posted by Robert on August 17, 2000 at 16:12:06:

what kind of oil would you suggest?
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Msg. 276486  Posted by TStray on August 17, 2000 at 18:15:26:

I have the hots for a new springer and since I already have a BSA SS .22 and a R11 in .177
I am thinking about a Pro Elite in .22 I like the break barrel breech over the sliding breech
hence my choice for the PE.

With all of the quality problems of the past I am concerned with how the newer ones are holding up now.


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Msg. 276485  Posted by Dave Monck on August 17, 2000 at 18:14:51:

In Reply to: TX200 break-in problem? posted by FPoole on August 17, 2000 at 13:51:31:

Tom has told you it all (as usual!) If you have any problem or need to know what lubricants Air Arms use, you can get a question to them on the net and I'm sure that Bill Saunders, their technical director will pleased to help in any way.

Regards

Dave m
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Msg. 276484  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 18:13:28:

In Reply to: Japs?!? Tech Force guns are made in CHINA! By CHINESE people. posted by Lloyd S. on August 17, 2000 at 14:49:14:


I am 100% with you against the use of derogatory terms on this forum (or anywhere else for that matter) but I have to disagree with you on this one. The use of the word Jap is sometimes derogatory but not always. Sometimes it's just a shortening of the word Japanese. I didn't any sense of disrespect in this use of the word "Jap" (other than he doesn't like these guns). All the other words you mentioned are clearly in the derogatory category as far as I'm concerned but this one is "on the fence" depending on how it was used. One thing for sure though, in a typed message, the difference between deragatory and not derogatory is sometimes very hard to ascertain for the reader. In that case, it's better for the writer to err on the side of caution probably and or the reader to give the writer the benefit of the doubt OR inquire of the writer what their intent was in writing what they did. ---- Mr.P
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Msg. 276483  Posted by Dave Monck on August 17, 2000 at 18:10:56:

In Reply to: Red dot sights....question posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 17:19:55:

Uncle gary said it all - except that sometimes the size odf the dot can vary, on older models, at the various ranges you're shooting at and also the actuall visibility of the dot, if not battery assisted, can change radically in varying light conditions.

It has been about 12 years since I last owned one, but it did a good job on bunny battering when fitted to a ,22 HW77.

Enjoy!

Dave m
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Msg. 276482  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 18:06:58:

In Reply to: " our country has been led by a Communist administration for the past 8 years anyway " ? posted by vZc® on August 16, 2000 at 22:56:01:

Yeah, that's a good quote, whatever it means! And just think, they accused poor old Dick Nixon of double-talk! He's a real straight-shooter compared to Slick Willie, wouldn't you say? Cheers!
Unc
P.S.: I'm sorry, I meant to say "Socialist", not "Communist" administration. Now you can all explain to me what the difference is, because I can't personally see any myself! ;-)

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Msg. 276481  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 18:03:23:

In Reply to: " Now you're starting to sound like vZc! " but i agree with him... posted by vZc® on August 16, 2000 at 23:04:06:

Vern, will you never learn to be discreet? [GRIN!]
"Moderators" Vern, call them "moderators"! Cheers old friend!
Unc

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Msg. 276480  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 18:00:11:

In Reply to: Re: rimfire and airguns posted by Driskill on August 16, 2000 at 22:27:52:

[GRIN!] me too!
Unc

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Msg. 276479  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 17:51:22:

In Reply to: Red dot sights....question posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 17:19:55:

Tom's right, but sometimes it helps to visually align the vertical plane of the front sight blade with the dot when sighting in, gets you on target a bit faster. When properly sighted in the Red Dot will usually appear to hang in space a bit above the front sight blade at normal airgun shooting distances of 10-40 yds. Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 276478  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 17:46:05:

In Reply to: RWS 45 Main Spring posted by José M on August 17, 2000 at 16:13:16:

Hi Jose!
Any RWS authorized service center can sell you a mainspring; the same one is used in the 34, 36, and 45. The North American service center is Airgun Express, in Montezuma, Iowa. They have a website, and the address is listed in the Resouces page on this forum. Why not email them and ask them what the price would be shipped directly to you? My guess is it would probably be about $30 US or so. Cheers my friend!
Unc
P.S.: keep eating those doves, them danged ol' possums is stringy and hard to chew! [GRIN!}

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Msg. 276477  Posted by Roland Martens on August 17, 2000 at 17:41:22:

In Reply to: RWS 45 Main Spring posted by José M on August 17, 2000 at 16:13:16:

José:
I got a GSI kit (mainspring+guide+lubes) from Jim Maccari. I let the stuff be shipped to a mailbox address in Miami and got it in less than a month. Btw, I live in Venezuela.

Check Maccari's URL and some ideas you could apply to your 45 at the URL below.

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Msg. 276476  Posted by Tom L. on August 17, 2000 at 17:40:35:

In Reply to: Red dot sights....question posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 17:19:55:

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Msg. 276475  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 17:38:55:

In Reply to: Re: Breaking in an R-7 posted by AC on August 17, 2000 at 16:49:02:


Offer them up for sale on this forum or hold-on to them for your next .177 gun. I'm sure there are alot of people who would be more than glad to take these pellets off your hands! ---- Mr.P
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Msg. 276474  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 17:36:23:

In Reply to: How about windage??? posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 22:18:52:

Yes, that's right on this particular sight. Keep in mind though that a lot of different companies, many of them in China, are now making Red Dot sights, and they often vary in methods of adjustment. The adjustment procedure I gave you will work on all of them though, including the laser sights. Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 276473  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 17:32:30:

In Reply to: How far from the target should you be while using this procedure?Or does it matter?(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 16, 2000 at 22:09:26:

Pick whatever distance you want the gun zeroed for, because using this method it will hit dead-on once you adjust the sight. Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 276472  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 17:30:26:

In Reply to: Failing to resist the temptation ... posted by bcd on August 16, 2000 at 23:33:12:


Now BCD, quit implying that the poor guy is looking through the Red Dot in the wrong direction, thus making HIM "backward", and not the sight! [GRIN!] On this particular model if you look through it the wrong way, you won't see anything, so he's the right track in that respect.
I know what he means on this, it can be confusing at first! ;-) Cheers!
Unc


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Msg. 276470  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 17:29:19:

In Reply to: Re: Why can't you trap? posted by David on August 17, 2000 at 16:50:39:


Reliable frontal shot? In a word, NO! Wait for that side profile shot on the critter's brain (between the eye and the ear or just below the ear) or a shot directly into the rear of the coon's head (centered). A pellet that hits these aimpoints with enough energy to penetrate 3 bars of Ivory soap(at the coon) will kill a coon instantly but the shot has to be right on the money, no if, and's or maybe's allowed. --- Mr.P
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Msg. 276469  Posted by daisy on August 17, 2000 at 17:29:07:

In Reply to: Re: Another Nail In Aussie Shooters Coffin posted by Chris in Va on August 17, 2000 at 15:56:05:

Chris
I see your point, but guess I didn't put the two together in that way.
daisy
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Msg. 276468  Posted by Steve B. on August 17, 2000 at 17:27:48:

In Reply to: If the only thing that matters to you is gun control... posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 16:46:00:

Doc: Absolutly, I agree on all counts, especially the moron part (make that a double ;)). It is not clear where Bush stands on Gun Control he's been waffling all over the place. I've not heard a position one way or the other. I have a gut hunch he would roll either way if the contribution were right. I may have to go with Ralph just to jerk a chain or two. I'm really pissed about the whole thing this election. I don't think they're evil, just pathetic.

regards - Steve B.
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Msg. 276467  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 17:27:46:

What is the approximate cost of buying all parts to make it bulk fill besides the co2 tank. Like the one on mr.bulks site?
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Msg. 276466  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 17:25:08:

In Reply to: Re: Why can't you trap? posted by David on August 17, 2000 at 16:50:39:

There is a "leghold" trap called duffers coon cuffs. Doesn't break skin and dogs can't stick their paw in it. If you live in ny it is ok to trap with legholds but you must be like 175 feet from a dwelling but just keep it in your yard.
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Msg. 276465  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 17:24:05:

In Reply to: not appropriate for public viewing! posted by mako on August 17, 2000 at 00:42:23:

Maybe be they've been monitoring some of RC's posts here...??? :-(
Unc

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Msg. 276464  Posted by darrell on August 17, 2000 at 17:21:23:

In Reply to: benjamin pellets-GOOD STUFF posted by Brian Wheater on August 17, 2000 at 16:28:17:

nt
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Msg. 276463  Posted by Tir on August 17, 2000 at 17:20:21:

In Reply to: Rifle Orders from Straight Shooters posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 16:38:59:

Two rifles (R9, HW30), and terrific shipping/service and communication.

Recommended.

Tim
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Msg. 276462  Posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 17:19:55:

When using a red dot sight, do you have do line the dot up with the front sight or does the sight work independently?
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Msg. 276461  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 17:18:52:

In Reply to: Re: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots? posted by Max on August 17, 2000 at 16:05:35:

I've got my Valiente set up the same way, with both 4 oz. and 9 oz. bottles, and 5,000 psi rated Parker hydraulic quick-disconnects. Works great, the little 4 oz. bottle is not that heavy, but of course the 9 oz. adds a bit of weight to the forend. I'm getting about 200 shots on the 4 oz. tank, and about 500 on the 9 oz. Going bulk on these guns increases velocity about 30 FPS, and accuracy is improved because gas pressure doesn't vary as much. Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276460  Posted by RGunn on August 17, 2000 at 17:13:33:

I just added a great airgun hunting photo to my site. Yes, a Career owner has stepped forward and proved that those ugly rifles are indeed varmint killn' machines! :-)

Click below, enjoy.

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Msg. 276459  Posted by Harold on August 17, 2000 at 17:13:12:

In Reply to: Rifle Orders from Straight Shooters posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 16:38:59:

I recently ordered an R1 in .22 with scope from Straight Shooters and was very pleased with the entire package.



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Msg. 276458  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 17, 2000 at 17:07:39:

In Reply to: Do you vote? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:24:12:


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Msg. 276457  Posted by David on August 17, 2000 at 16:50:39:

In Reply to: Why can't you trap? posted by DougWall on August 17, 2000 at 10:33:40:

Doug,
I have trapped approx 35 racoons in the last two year. I own my own live trap. The city picks up the live racoons and disposes of them. Occasionally there are racoons that I simply cannot trap. The reason I stay after the racoons so much is that my next door neighbor had to pay an exterminator a lot of money to trap 10 racoons out of his attic. It took the exterminator about 6 months to get them all. I don't get out the trap until they start getting on my roof. Then it is time to do something to get rid of them.
I would still like to know if there is a reliable kill zone for a frontal shot.
Thanks for the responses.
David
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Msg. 276456  Posted by AC on August 17, 2000 at 16:49:02:

In Reply to: Re: Breaking in an R-7 posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 10:12:02:

Yea, Mike, I was bummed about the CP lites. I had ordered a box of 1250 along with the pellet sampler as I thought they'd work well in the R7. However, Straighshooters said they'd allow me to exchange them for something else. And you're correct, I have no reason to doubt their velocities. Assuming my Chrony is working well, it shows the variation you'll find among guns and pellets. AC
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Msg. 276455  Posted by Doc on August 17, 2000 at 16:46:00:

In Reply to: Do you vote? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:24:12:

then vote Republican. If other issues such as:

Social Security
The spiraling cost of prescription drugs
Paying down the deficit
A woman's choice for abortion
Continued economic growth
Education
Universal health care

are more important to you, then you better think twice. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gun ownership rights. If the Republican platform included the above, I would most certainly vote for Bush (despite the fact that he is as big a moron as his father was). Unfortunately the Republicans have a different plan which for the most part, I don't agree with.

Doc


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Msg. 276454  Posted by Andrew on August 17, 2000 at 16:44:16:

In Reply to: Rifle Orders from Straight Shooters posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 16:38:59:

I gota GS1000 and a HW97 from them. Plus a scope and two mounts... great service, nothing I got was even scratched.
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Msg. 276453  Posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 16:38:59:

I'm going to be ordering an R-7 from Straight shooters soon, and was wondering if anybody who ordered a gun from them recieved one in broken or bad condition, or if they are they are a reliable company, etc. I was thinking about having one sent in one of those hard boxes, but $75 is to expensive.

thanks for any input,
-john
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Msg. 276452  Posted by MarkD on August 17, 2000 at 16:32:35:

In Reply to: what kind of power adjustments can the Career Carbine have... 3 or 13? I want to go from plink to POWER... thanks posted by jason on August 17, 2000 at 01:00:45:

Jason if you want to go from plink to power call ARS or Allan Zasadny They will take care of you I think MAC-1 also does this.
Mine from AZ goes 600fps up to 1200fps in .22 cal with premiers this is the long gun.
MarkD
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Msg. 276451  Posted by Brian Wheater on August 17, 2000 at 16:28:17:

In Reply to: benjamin pellets posted by darrell scoggins on August 17, 2000 at 13:25:55:

These sound like Benjamin HC's. They are superb pellets if clean. Unfortunately, age can cause them to develop a tan crud that resembles lithium grease. This is lead oxide and the original pellet lube and it will affect their accuracy. Clean HC's are great. My 1967 Benjamin 312 rifle loves them. It fired a 5 shot group at 10m that looked like 1. The cans are also nice for collectors that have a boxed Benjamin and are missing the pellet tin that was in the box. I might offer to relieve you of them, but I already have a bunch that I obtained through the internet. Many airgunners are happy to give them away for only the postage(We're such cool people). They're great pellets, but their increasing scarcity and expense of obtaining them makes them a poor choice for everyday use.
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Msg. 276450  Posted by BCall on August 17, 2000 at 16:26:05:

In Reply to: Re: Electronic game callers posted by Randy from Va on August 17, 2000 at 09:39:02:

Hide the caller in a brushpile, and don't use any decoys! The decoys excite them and very few will land. Put the caller in a brushpile and they will fly down confused trying to figure out what is going on. Then just pick them off the brushpile. Read this in an article, then I tried it with my 10-22 @ 75 yards. Worked better than anything I had ever tried. Bodies fell into the brush and disappeared too! No cleanup! Good luck, Bill
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Msg. 276449  Posted by RGunn on August 17, 2000 at 16:23:23:

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Msg. 276448  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 16:18:50:

In Reply to: .177 Firearm posted by bcd on August 16, 2000 at 23:41:15:

The .17 Remington factory round has always been a favorite of mine. High velocity, a fairly low report, and excellent accuracy, all in a light and compact package that literally vaporizes varmints out to 300 yards or so. Hard to beat! Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276447  Posted by Fred on August 17, 2000 at 16:18:49:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin/Sheridan 392 lubrication posted by Robert on August 17, 2000 at 16:12:06:

Thanks for the quick response. I guess that the oil thrown into the tube will seep past the pump seal and be blown up to the bolt and o-ring. This must be why the manual does not state to oil bolt.

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Msg. 276446  Posted by José M on August 17, 2000 at 16:13:16:

Hi all,

I need to know if some company sell rws45 mainspring overseas,
I live in South America, and here in my country there is no
way to get the spring, so I need to buy it in the States,
how can I do??. Please help. Thx in advance. Regards.

José M

PS: If someone of you can help me, I can send the money to you,
and then you can buy the spring for me, and mail it to my country.
I'll be very grateful if this is posible. Sorry for my bad english
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Msg. 276445  Posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 16:12:25:

In Reply to: Re: Natural Progression.... Match rifles..... Your thoughts posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 11:00:39:

Also, a Daisy 853 or 753 would also be a good choice, or a used 603.
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Msg. 276444  Posted by Robert on August 17, 2000 at 16:12:06:

In Reply to: Benjamin/Sheridan 392 lubrication posted by Fred on August 17, 2000 at 13:48:53:

Oil tends to be "thrown" from the pivot points onto the pumptube walls on closing of the pump arm. System works quite well. Just oil pivot points.
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Msg. 276443  Posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 16:10:01:

In Reply to: markman 45 versus Beeman S1 posted by Bill on August 17, 2000 at 15:27:04:

Both companies are owned by S&R industries, so they are probably the same gun.
-john
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Msg. 276442  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 16:07:59:

In Reply to: Uncle Gary..... posted by Dutch on August 17, 2000 at 09:37:16:

Dutch,
Mike's right, happy99 is a "worm" virus that is contracted through infected e-mail. That probably explains why you are having email problems. As for the Norton 2000, since I ran it on my hard drive I haven't had any more problems from happy99. Don't try to access our forum until you get this problem straightened out first on your computer; the security measures on our forum will only cause you more problems that you'll have to contend with.
Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 276441  Posted by Ted on August 17, 2000 at 16:07:27:

In Reply to: um... what's YOUR point? posted by peter huppertz on August 17, 2000 at 10:59:35:

Everything on the planet is to an extent dangerous. The only thing we can do is give warning and not worry about it. Just think you could spill water all over your coffed pot and get shocked or worse tommorow. Children will do dumb things no matter what we tell them, we did.
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Msg. 276440  Posted by Max on August 17, 2000 at 16:05:35:

In Reply to: Re: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots? posted by Jeff on August 17, 2000 at 15:34:07:

Mine shots forever.
My 7 oz paintball bottle is attatched to the tube parallel to the barrel. Screw it in once, unscrew it out when its empty. Kinda heavy, but I get full power everytime. My CR 400 loves it too.
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Msg. 276439  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 16:02:22:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet Lube. posted by JS on August 17, 2000 at 07:29:42:

jack in pcp and co2 guns "both" is the reason. the co2 12gram tubes do have some oil in them but bulkfilled i dont think has oil so its both for leading & rust
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Msg. 276438  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 15:59:17:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet Lube. posted by Omer on August 16, 2000 at 14:32:59:

Omer thats incorrect and misspelled
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Msg. 276437  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 15:57:31:

In Reply to: Pellet Lube. posted by James McAllister on August 16, 2000 at 09:45:33:

FP-10 or the slick 50 libe 1 works for co2 as well..krytech finishline dry for spring gun pellets
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Msg. 276436  Posted by gary w on August 17, 2000 at 15:56:50:

In Reply to: What Rifle and Scope for Airgun Silhouette? (nt) posted by dscott on August 17, 2000 at 11:09:05:

daystate huntsman with a bsa 6x24 platnuim great set up that what i shoot
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Msg. 276435  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 17, 2000 at 15:56:19:

In Reply to: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots? posted by jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:22:01:

Jeff,
I don't think you're getting a good fill, are you inverting the tank while filling the gun? This allows the CO2 gas in the bulk tank to force the liquid out the bottom and into the gun. You should be getting at least 30-40 shots on a good fill. I usually try to fill from a warm tank into a cool gun; this also facilitates liquid transfer from tank to gun. Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 276434  Posted by Chris in Va on August 17, 2000 at 15:56:05:

In Reply to: Another Nail In Aussie Shooters Coffin posted by daisy on August 17, 2000 at 03:52:17:

Daisy,

I would have thought referring to coffins and handguns in the same line was inappropriate :-(

Chris

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Msg. 276433  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 15:52:36:

In Reply to: Re: Not normal... posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 17:00:23:

thats not so true..fixed scopes have less parts but my trophy 4x 12x is a very tuff scope..willey M has the same on his kodiak and its been shot to death.his trophys still fine.Russ can atest that willeyM has shot the gun thousands of times after the tune russ gave it
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Msg. 276432  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 15:43:47:

In Reply to: R1 New Scope posted by John S on August 16, 2000 at 15:57:32:

vari by leupold& Elite by bushnell\B&L both should be fine..i also have the trophy 12x on my R1 and its fine..i would like a little extra power 18x wouldbe better..i will say dont go to high on power with the R1..i have a 36x Elite 4200 B&L brand (one of the last) and although it make sparrows look like crows at 50feet. you sneeze and its alover the place ..12x-18x would work better for the R1
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Msg. 276431  Posted by Douglas on August 17, 2000 at 15:43:19:

In Reply to: Re: not appropriate for public viewing! posted by StuartH on August 17, 2000 at 07:15:07:

'Nuff said!
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Airguns canada only sells Crosman, is this true?


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Msg. 276429  Posted by s[i]lencer on August 17, 2000 at 15:40:48:

There arent any other airgun models on airguns canada other than crosman yet they advertise having stock for gamo, rws etc etc... what is up?
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Re: Air or rifle scope which is better for an airrifle?


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Msg. 276428  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 15:34:27:

In Reply to: Air or rifle scope which is better for an airrifle? posted by Greg S on August 16, 2000 at 17:10:52:

airguns unless co2 or pnuematic will pop a fireairm scope..that said top of the line scopes like leupold\B&L now bushnell should do fine trophy scopes by bushnell are good i have one on my r1 so fare its fine ..willeyM has the same on his kodaik also is fine
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Re: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots?


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Msg. 276427  Posted by Jeff on August 17, 2000 at 15:34:07:

In Reply to: Re: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots? posted by Steve B. on August 17, 2000 at 14:32:37:

Steve: I'm using the stock chamber, not an extended bulk-fill tank. I saw in DT Fletcher's book that they were getting 18 shots max when they bulk-filled it instead of using powerlets.

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markman 45 versus Beeman S1


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Msg. 276425  Posted by Bill on August 17, 2000 at 15:27:04:

What is the difference between the two rifles. I have looked at both and to my knowledge they are Identical. In fact if you look up the company phone and address they are both almost identicle.
Are they in fact the same rifle. What is your opinion of the Marksman 45 I just bought one for 63 dollars new at a K-Mart in Oceanside.
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Re: Uncle Gary.....


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Msg. 276424  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 15:15:22:

In Reply to: Uncle Gary..... posted by Dutch on August 17, 2000 at 09:37:16:

does this mean you clicked a file called happy99? it not really a virus but a worm ..dont click an attached file and yer ok..i did hear of a self running virus .. all you needed to do was highlight an email..you didnt need to double click the attached file. aint java&html neat? :\ but it was a research virus not in the wild
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Re: definately light green tops


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Msg. 276423  Posted by darrell scoggins on August 17, 2000 at 15:13:55:

In Reply to: Re: benjamin pellets posted by Steve B. on August 17, 2000 at 14:21:40:

they are "high compression" and have a ring on the
skirt. they are somewhat domed on the top but do not resemble
the premier type . there were some of the white top
tins there also.
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Re: Other factors being equal ...


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Msg. 276422  Posted by Waldink on August 17, 2000 at 15:11:47:

In Reply to: Other factors being equal ... posted by ProfHoff on August 17, 2000 at 14:16:56:

Heavier pellets tend to slow the whole thing down
less explosive detonation

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Msg. 276421  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 15:01:14:

In Reply to: Other factors being equal ... posted by ProfHoff on August 17, 2000 at 14:16:56:

i think you answered the Q..(cheap) can mean out of spec\round. and lube getting in the airchamber..this is more a guess then fact
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Msg. 276420  Posted by Zero on August 17, 2000 at 14:56:25:

In Reply to: 22 cal racoon? posted by David E on August 17, 2000 at 10:04:23:

If .22 cal airguns are illegal, get a .25! Even a higher powered .177 could take out a raccon from 30-40 ft. Check out the Gamo Hunter 1240.

Betcha a bear trap 'd get those raccons, too...

-Zero the Inestimable.
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Msg. 276419  Posted by darmtn on August 17, 2000 at 14:53:52:

In Reply to: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots? posted by jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:22:01:

About 32 good shots - I use the method of firing a few shots while the refill tank is screwed on , to cool the internals down.
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Re: animal shooting question


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Msg. 276418  Posted by Zero on August 17, 2000 at 14:52:12:

In Reply to: animal shooting question posted by Mike Lee on August 17, 2000 at 11:30:51:

Depends. Pointy pellets will work better on smaller things, so that'll help. Also, nailing it in the head has a much greater tendancy to kill it. I have a P23 and I can take out a squirrel from 30 ft... I dunno if rats have the same armor class and hit points, as it were.

-Zero the Inestimable
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Msg. 276417  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 17, 2000 at 14:49:14:

In Reply to: Re: Tech Force gums at Compasseco posted by bonge on August 16, 2000 at 21:49:18:

Get real! They're not japs, or chinks, or dinks, any more than they are wops, or krauts or micks or limeys. For crying out loud, you can't even get the geography right! Tech Force guns are made in CHINA ... by CHINESE workers. BTW, What kind of car are you driving? TV/VCR you are watching? Camera you are using? Cool it with the derogatory references. That's not what this forum is striving to be about.
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Re: That's odd...


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Msg. 276416  Posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 14:44:26:

In Reply to: That's odd... posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 14:27:48:

Crosman must have decided to de-tune the 1740.
I have the new Crosman catalogue on my lap and it shows the mv of the 1740 at 560fps. The 2240 is rated at 460fps.
There is a small Canadian flag beside the 2240 indicating that a Canadian version exists. The flag is not beside the 1740.
The small flag is beside the model 1377 that is rated at 600fps. The flag indicates a de-tuned version at 495fps.
This catalogue was printed in year 2000.
Maybe Crosman decided to de-tune the 1740 after the printing of the catalogue. I hope so.

My Lebaron catalogue is last season issue.
Can you please e-mail me the prices of the 2240 and 1740 if they are in there? My address is in blue , up top.
Is the Crosman 2250 in the catalogue? Price?
Crosman sells a Canadian version of the 2250 also.
Thanks,
Todd coopers@air.on.ca
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Re: CO2 Cartridges


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Msg. 276415  Posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 14:42:27:

In Reply to: CO2 Cartridges posted by Mark Budai on August 17, 2000 at 14:25:21:

I'm sure it's possible, but would probably be to expensive abd time consuming to be worth it.
-john
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Re: CO2 Cartridges


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Msg. 276414  Posted by JS on August 17, 2000 at 14:36:22:

In Reply to: CO2 Cartridges posted by Mark Budai on August 17, 2000 at 14:25:21:

Of course, many of us can relate tales of youthful stupidity and how we made rocket motors with them.....but I won't go into that.

I don't think anyone has come up with a viable method of recharging stock apent CO2 cartridges yet. Those that want to recharge generally convert to bulk in some manner. I just buy 25 packs of 12-gram catridges to get the 52 cent per price at Walmart. Cheap enough thrills for me.
There are rechargable CO2 and air cartridges made, haven't tried any though.
I suppose you could save them up and sell them to a scrap yard....finance your next airgun that way?

Jack


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Msg. 276413  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 14:36:11:

In Reply to: Tech Force gums at Compasseco posted by Jason on August 16, 2000 at 21:02:24:

I bought one I think it was a 38b. The day I got it I cut off the butt stock sanded it nice nice lopped off the barrel and cocker to about 6". This thing had about or close to 75 pounds of cocking effort to cock it. Try this take your spring gun grab 3" from the reciver and cock it , hard right? Then I put on a laser site good to about 50 yards in daylight put a sling on it and crusied the backwoods for frogs , chipmunks. Then I sold it for 45 dollars without the sight. The only reason I bought it was to cut it down into a pistol.
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Msg. 276412  Posted by Steve B. on August 17, 2000 at 14:32:37:

In Reply to: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots? posted by jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:22:01:

Jeff: What (if anything) are you using for the tank. I stuck a Mac 1 extended tank of mine. I've never shot it dry with 40+ shots per play session - all are full power. I do know I'm not getting a full charge into it. Weighing the filling tank, my best seems to be 2 oz. Maybe eleven cents worth, heh heh :). Remember when you used to put a bucks worth in?

HTH - Steve B.
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That's odd...


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Msg. 276411  Posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 14:27:48:

In Reply to: Re: Still looking for a pistol... posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 13:53:30:

I have a LeBaron's Catalog here which states the velocity of the 1740 as being 485 fps.
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CO2 Cartridges


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Msg. 276410  Posted by Mark Budai on August 17, 2000 at 14:25:21:

Does anyone recycle these things? I've heard some rumors of refillable cartridges, but am wondering about what to do with all the empty ones I have now.

I'm considering taking a 2X4, drilling in some appropriately-sized holes, and "recycling" these things myself! IN A SAFE MANNER, of course...
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Re: benjamin pellets


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Msg. 276409  Posted by Steve B. on August 17, 2000 at 14:21:40:

In Reply to: benjamin pellets posted by darrell scoggins on August 17, 2000 at 13:25:55:

Darrel: I don't know just what you found but the newer Benjamins I've looked at are domes and appear to be Copperheads or Premeirs. The new ones come in a White Tin. You may have found some new old stock (as in really old) pellets that came in a Light Green (Lid) Tin about the size of a shoe polish can. I've never shot any Benjamin Pellets new or old so I don't know; they're rare around these parts. This is Crosman country so I've always stuck with Crosman Superpells or later.

HTH - Steve B.
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Re: TX200 dieseling?


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Msg. 276408  Posted by Tom Gaylord on August 17, 2000 at 14:17:56:

In Reply to: TX200 break-in problem? posted by FPoole on August 17, 2000 at 13:51:31:

It sounds like your TX is dieseling a little from the grease you noticed. It's summer, and the grease airgun manufaturers use is not too viscous. It will turn to liquid and run around the piston seal into the compression chamber. This is not a problem for just the TX - all spring guns, except the BSAs that are lubed with moly, can have it.

If you know how to disassemble the rifle, then that's the best way to stop the dieseling. Be sure to re-lube the piston with moly after you have carefully cleaned out the compression chamber.

Hope this helps,

Tom Gaylord
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Msg. 276407  Posted by ProfHoff on August 17, 2000 at 14:16:56:

(whatever that means) ... do 177 cal springers tend to diesel more often than 22 cal guns? If so, why?

I ask because I have never experienced the phenomenon with my 22 cal guns. However, it has occasionally occurred with two different (cheap) 177 rifles that I own.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Msg. 276406  Posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 14:14:12:

In Reply to: Anyone know of any airgun distributors in Canada other than guns n things and SIR? (mail order or shipping) posted by s[i]lencer on August 16, 2000 at 00:40:44:

INTERNATIONAL IMPORTS in Toronto- they sell RWS pellets, Anschutz & FWB guns

GRANLUND FIREARMS in B.C.- they sell HW guns


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Re: Thanks, ...i just saw a typo..i buged the gun +i bugged the guy


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Msg. 276405  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 14:08:27:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks, ... posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 08:02:36:

my ride showed as a wrote it
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Msg. 276404  Posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 14:07:11:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman P1 Magnum posted by Whitewolf on August 17, 2000 at 01:44:20:

The .22 caliber does less than 495fps so it is okay to own in Canada. The .22 version would not be considerd a firearm so permits are not required.
The .177 version IS a firearm in Canada. MV over 495fps.
fwiw,
Todd
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Re: Order from Pyramid air ?


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Msg. 276403  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 14:05:11:

In Reply to: Re: Order from Pyramid air ? posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 08:20:35:

Marco, i might not say it if i got a suprize like that..maybe to him..just saying you you ask why he did it..couldbe he had a good reason..and i agree it would be a good idea to inform you before the extra charge was put on the card..i still wonder if the exchange rate or customs fee changed ..but only he knows..
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Re: Why is that?!


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Msg. 276402  Posted by FPoole on August 17, 2000 at 14:05:02:

In Reply to: Why is that?! posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 17:45:43:

They're the most fun to shoot is one reason.
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Msg. 276401  Posted by Mom T on August 17, 2000 at 13:54:21:

In Reply to: God Bless America (nt) posted by AirMonkey on August 17, 2000 at 11:55:31:


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Re: Still looking for a pistol...


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Msg. 276400  Posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 13:53:30:

In Reply to: Still looking for a pistol... posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 12:16:51:

Steve,
If you live in Canada the decision is easy. You cannot buy a 1740. The stated muzzle velocity is over 495fps so it is considered a firearm and goes by the same laws that a 44 magnum owner would. You would be required to register and get a conveyance permit. You could only shoot it at a gun range approved for restricted weapons.
You can own a 2240 though. MV is stated at less than 495fps.
I wasn't too impressed with the 1008. I sold mine a few weeks ago.
hth,
Todd
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Re: The Precision Cheesometer Sight


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Msg. 276399  Posted by Mom T on August 17, 2000 at 13:52:52:

In Reply to: Re: The Precision Cheesometer Sight posted by CharlesC on August 17, 2000 at 09:44:42:

I modified the rear sight on my 717 by removing it and applying some plastic welder (epoxy) to the sides and bottom of the sight where it fits into the frame. I then filed down thw epoxy to the point where the sight is a slightly snug fit. I adjusted the sight over a year ago and it still shoots to the same point. The sight has not moved. From a rest, the gun will shoot about .25 to .33 inch groups.

Good luck.
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Crosman Premier BC in .22 caliber? Try 0.030 - that'll be pretty close. . HTH . . (nt)


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Msg. 276398  Posted by larry on August 17, 2000 at 13:52:13:

In Reply to: Ballistic Coefficientecy: Crosman premier .22 caliber? posted by Don on August 16, 2000 at 19:47:41:


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Msg. 276397  Posted by FPoole on August 17, 2000 at 13:51:31:

After 100 shots with 7.9's my TX suddenly sounded like a .22 rimfire, so I fired two more times to confirm, with the same results. I switched to 10.5's and it went away, the cracking sound that is. From shot one it has had a little smoke in the breech and barrel when I cock it after a shot. Also some translucent grease has extruded from the front scope stop pin hole. Should I tear it down and degrease it a little, or just shoot 10.5's till it clears up? I really don't want to send it back to the dealer unless it's a must. Thanks for any help.
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Benjamin/Sheridan 392 lubrication


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Msg. 276396  Posted by Fred on August 17, 2000 at 13:48:53:

I just purchased a 392. The instructions provided state that you only need to oil the pump pivot points. What about the pump piston walls or the bolt. The gun clearly states a prohibition to placing oil in the air hole. Does this mean no oil is ever required. Also, why does the gun come with the the bolt and o-ring oiled?
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Msg. 276395  Posted by larry on August 17, 2000 at 13:47:21:

In Reply to: INFO ON MINNEAPOLIS FT MATCH, 8/26??? posted by Brian Wheater on August 16, 2000 at 15:05:26:


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Msg. 276394  Posted by Michael Aos on August 17, 2000 at 13:46:33:

In Reply to: Owners of more than one gun how do ya.......... posted by Tom B on August 16, 2000 at 20:03:41:

I find I shoot my Tau Safari .22 mostly in the
backyard, and mostly for POS rifle shoot.

I've been taking my Huntsman .177 hunting a lot more
now that I put a Bushnell Scopechief 4-15x50 scope
on it.

My QB77 has been out-of-commission lately with a
busted barrel-band screw, but now that it's fixed,
I'll be taking it hunting as well. It's nice & light,
EXTREMELY accurate & has a sling. I'm going to add
a lace-on cheekpiece shortly as well.

My Crosman 160 is at Mac1, getting new seals, power
mods & bulk-fill. I'm not exactly sure what I'll
do with it when I get it back.

Mike
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Msg. 276393  Posted by larry on August 17, 2000 at 13:41:31:

In Reply to: Light Scope posted by Sammy on August 16, 2000 at 14:07:21:


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Msg. 276391  Posted by darrell scoggins on August 17, 2000 at 13:25:55:

I have just come across some pellets , 22 cal. and in
a green topped tin. they are called benjamin high compression
pellets made in racine wisconsin. are they good pellets or not?
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QB-88


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Msg. 276389  Posted by JS on August 17, 2000 at 13:22:16:

In Reply to: qb88 vs b4-1 posted by phil on August 17, 2000 at 13:02:06:

It's designed for target work, much more than the B41. The trigger on the QB-88 is better, the gun handles nicely and shoots quite accurately once broken in. The sear mechanism is nicer on the 88 also I believe.
Basically, the B4-1 is a wood stocked version of the folding AK type. The QB-88 is a slightly different gun, more purpose-built rather than adapted. And only $49 right now from South Summit!

The sight on the 88 is actually in the better spot. The rearward sight of the 41 is too close to your eye. Gives a large notch picture that for me is difficult to automatically align the front sight in.
The rear sight on the 88 is far enough forward to give a nicer sight picture while focusing on the front sight, yet far enough rearward to provide adequate distance between sights.
I think the B41 sight is way to far back for an open notch.

Yes, the QB-88 is grooved for scope mouting. A peep sight can be mounted on it. Mine has a scope on see-thru mounts to enable me to use both.

hth, Jack

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Msg. 276388  Posted by W.S. on August 17, 2000 at 13:20:02:

In Reply to: Yep - Vote Early, Vote Often. (nt) posted by John Congleton on August 17, 2000 at 12:29:41:



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Msg. 276386  Posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 13:16:04:

In Reply to: Do you vote? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:24:12:

I will in 4 years when I'm 18 :)
-john
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Re: spotting scope - The BSA cheapie works for me.


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Msg. 276385  Posted by Jim P on August 17, 2000 at 13:12:08:

In Reply to: spotting scope posted by RLowe on August 17, 2000 at 06:20:33:

RLowe,

For the 10 yard range in my garage I use the BSA cheapie (It cost ~$30 and comes with a red dot finder scope on the top - Bought on sale from Midway USA a year ago. Says,"SPS20X40ORD on the eye piece - other than that I don't know how to identify it)Came with tripod. Works fine.

The reason I need it is for 10 meter target rifle work. Yes, I guess you could mount a scope on a tripod; but it would have to be an AO scope and this arrangement would have to cost more than $30.

Jim P.
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Msg. 276382  Posted by Sammy on August 17, 2000 at 13:09:36:

In Reply to: Do you vote? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:24:12:

nt
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Msg. 276381  Posted by Ryp on August 17, 2000 at 13:07:14:

In Reply to: Do you vote? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:24:12:

You better believe it!!
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qb88 vs b4-1


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Msg. 276380  Posted by phil on August 17, 2000 at 13:02:06:

Looking at these two for indoor practice - I want a sidelever since it looks like it would be easiest to mount a service rifle type leather sling.


Is one better than the other? The b4-1 looks like it has the sight in the better spot (more to the rear) but appears shorter in the stock. Does the QB-88 have a dovetail where a peep sight could be mounted?

Anything else to consider between the two?
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Thanks everyone! I think i'll get the 2240...nt


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Msg. 276378  Posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 12:50:58:

In Reply to: Still looking for a pistol... posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 12:16:51:

nt
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I agree,the 357 is a lil more accurate than the 1008.Do you know if the CB40 has the same sheet metal internals?


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Msg. 276377  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 12:43:46:

In Reply to: Re: Still looking for a pistol... posted by JS on August 17, 2000 at 12:38:42:

I was considering a CB40,but does it have better quality internals too,or just a metal frame wrapped around the same parts?

Thanks-Josh P.
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Msg. 276376  Posted by jon on August 17, 2000 at 12:43:02:

In Reply to: See ya around... posted by Roy on August 17, 2000 at 12:08:21:

Roy,
Good luck with your next "adventure". I don't know what you were doing at the ISP but if you had anything to do with web development and you live anywhere near the Washington/Baltimore metro area, give me a call. I manage several programs doing web development and am always looking for people.

-jon-
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Msg. 276374  Posted by Sloop on August 17, 2000 at 12:39:52:

In Reply to: Re: airgun smithing posted by docwells on August 17, 2000 at 08:27:48:

Doc:
Beemans has it, most dealers carry it, I think I bought one from AirgunExpress.

I'm with you on the tinkering, reading up, etc. Thats half the fun of this hobby.

Sloop
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Msg. 276373  Posted by JS on August 17, 2000 at 12:38:42:

In Reply to: Still looking for a pistol... posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 12:16:51:

I've had them all.


The 1008 is a fun gun, but has fairly cheap mechanism. There are some glitches in single-action mode....sometimes the transfer bar gets whacked and you have to recock the gun. The internals are simply not made of very strong material, sheetmetal sear and a transfer bar that resembles coathanger wire. But they are a fun gun to shoot and reasonably accurate. I'd suggest loading the frame with more lead for better handling. Or just get the C40...same basic gun in a metal frame.
Also, the modern Crosman 357 revolver is a better shooter than the 1008 in stock form. Or the older Crosman 38T in either .22 or .177 calibers.
Got them all and my favorite is an old 38T in .22!

The 1740 is nice. Accurate and zips the pellet out. But I'd recommend going with the 2240 instead....if this is your final choice.
The .22 caliber pellet has better energy transfer in this frame. Accuracy at pistol ranges is not really different....but the energy sure is.
Install a lighter trigger spring and you'll enjoy it more.

If you want to pop out a bunch of pellets quickly and reliably, the Crosman 357 revolver with a 10 shot cylinder is a good inexpensive choice...better I think than the 1008.
If you want more accuracy and a bit of power, the 2240 is a great choice...with the 1740 as second.

hth, Jack



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Msg. 276372  Posted by Josh P. on August 17, 2000 at 12:37:10:

In Reply to: Still looking for a pistol... posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 12:16:51:

I had the chance to shoot a 1008 a while back,I had ordered a Crosman 1377 and got sent a 1008 instead,well needless to say I "tested" it out for them before I sent it back...

Well I'd say its a decent pistol just for plinking and such,heavy trigger,and I might have had a lemon but it seemed that if I pulled the trigger as fast as I could the gun couldnt keep up and would stop firing,but I mainly used it on single action(pull the hammer back manually).It wasnt all that accurate,good enough to hit a soda can at 15 yards every time,like I said-a plinker.

You might want to look at the Crosman 3576GT CO2 revolver.I have one and in my opinion its a lil more accurate than the 1008.

HTH-Josh P.
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Msg. 276371  Posted by Whitewolf on August 17, 2000 at 12:36:52:

In Reply to: Does Airguns Canada still exist? posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 12:30:28:

Yes they do still exist. Roger has been tied up personal matter from what I understand. E-mails are slow but he is aval by phone.

Later Whitewolf
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Msg. 276370  Posted by acet on August 17, 2000 at 12:36:17:

In Reply to: 160 Bulk fill...How many shots? posted by jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:22:01:

I've got about 35 shots per fill, of which the first 25 are quite consistent.
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Msg. 276368  Posted by Mark Lemm on August 17, 2000 at 12:32:05:

In Reply to: Do you vote? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:24:12:

Sure I vote! Democrat!!!


-Mark L
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Msg. 276366  Posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 12:30:28:

The "Monthly special" has been the same since July, the page was last updated on May 4, 2000, and they have never responded to any emails. Do they still exist?
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Msg. 276365  Posted by John Congleton on August 17, 2000 at 12:29:41:

In Reply to: Do you vote? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:24:12:


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Msg. 276364  Posted by Barry on August 17, 2000 at 12:28:28:

In Reply to: What kind of rear sight does/did the Daisy 777 have? Micrometer? Click adjustable? Worth upgrading a 717 with? Still available? nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 17, 2000 at 02:11:01:

The 777 became the current 747. Differ at least in rear sights, don't know what else. Apparantly 777 rear sights are better than those for the 747. I've got a 747, and rear sight doesn't have the sloppiness described by other reponders to you post.

Daisy has 747 sights to sell as parts, but none for the 777: (800)713-2479. Daisy would probably know whether 747 sight will mount on a 717. I suspect it will. I used to have a 717 and the only difference I can see from the 747 was that it had the sloppiness that other responders talk about.


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Msg. 276363  Posted by AIRPOWER on August 17, 2000 at 12:27:29:

In Reply to: Do you vote? posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:24:12:


HELL YES !

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Msg. 276362  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 12:25:09:

In Reply to: Still looking for a pistol... posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 12:16:51:

I have shot both but shot the 2240 not the .177 version for hunting squirrels out to 20 yards get the 1740 not pass throughs but enough to hit the lungs through the ribs. For plinking you should get the 1008 only because you have more pellets and don't need to reload. Mac-1 I am pretty sure can setup a bulk co2 system on the 1740 just e-mail them or go to website.
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Msg. 276361  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 12:25:01:

In Reply to: Still looking for a pistol... posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 12:16:51:

I have shot both but shot the 2240 not the .177 version for hunting squirrels out to 20 yards get the 1740 not pass throughs but enough to hit the lungs through the ribs. For plinking you should get the 1008 only because you have more pellets and don't need to reload. Mac-1 I am pretty sure can setup a bulk co2 system on the 1740 just e-mail them or go to website.
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Msg. 276360  Posted by Jeff guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:24:12:

I've been very curious about the posters here who enjoy shooting. Will you be getting off your bench rest/bum bag and voting in November for Republicans (local and national)?
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Msg. 276359  Posted by jeff Guinan on August 17, 2000 at 12:22:01:

I've been bulk-filling my 160MT from CMP and getting maybe 12-15 full-power shots. Is this low? I haven't cooled the gun prior to fill, either by dribbling gas through an uncocked action or sticking the gun in the refrigerator. thanks for input.
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Msg. 276358  Posted by peter huppertz on August 17, 2000 at 12:21:00:

In Reply to: Re: Dave, tell Dave... posted by Art on August 17, 2000 at 10:19:42:

Funny that you ask, I've just been thinking a *lot* about that today.

Actually, nope, but that's more of an anomaly on my part. Lemme see, I just explained this to someone else today, so I can just do a copy/paste here:

I have a wildly dominant left eye. My left eye is extremely good -- up to the point where an optimetrist cannot value it anymore using standard equipment, whereas my right eye is at around 75% of the norm -- most likely because it decided to stop trying to compete with the left eye a very long time ago and just called it a day.
One of the consequences of this is that it necessitated me to shoot left handed, even though I am quite right-handed when it comes to anything else, and not even close to being ambidextrous.

Another consequence of this is that I do have trouble with depth perception.
I understand that "normal" people see the world flatten as soon as they close one eye. I don't have that. When I get into a situation in which BOTH eyes are actually playing a role (and the only way for me to get into that is by looking through binoculars), I get a "...whoa! the depth!" experience. I guess that to me, the visual world is rather flat. When I look through my bino's, then close both my eyes for a few seconds, and then open only my left eye, the world looks like I know it. When I then open my right eye, I get the stunning depth experience.

Of course, this condition doesn't help in estimating distances. Now, as you can imagine, the ability of estimating distances is crucial in some situations. Riding a motorcycle and surviving it (which I have done for the past 23 years) is one that comes to mind.
It is very likely that I have subconsciously developed some tricks to compensate for a handicap -- that initially I didn't even know I had.

So, no, in my particular case, my range estimations haven't improved. I do find myself estimating ranges at inappropriate times every now and then, since it has grasped my interest, but no, I haven't found it to improve. And yes, a decent scope still outdoes me. I can rangefind 32 yards as "around 6 Rover 600's", but the difference between 6 Rover 600's and 32 yards (which is 2 yards) is beyond me, whereas my Swift knows.

Some tricks I use on short ranges:
I just imagine how many standard 1 square foot tiles would fit in between me and the object I want to range.

On long distances, it does get to be a bit trickier. But I can do fairly well with a scope that rangefinds well up to 35-40 yards, with the following trick:
When I am on a lane that holds several targets, I rangefind a target that is well within the 40 yds limit that my Swift rangefinds comfortably within, and then I imagine how many times my 5 yard car would fit in between that and the target that I want to rangefind. That usually brings me within a yard or so to true distance. While estimating true yardage directly may be pretty hard, using a known constant (which your car will be if you wash it often enough, hehheh) translating that into an absolute distance works quite well for me.
This is pretty easy for me to do, probably since I've been doing so all my life.

peter


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Msg. 276356  Posted by Steve T on August 17, 2000 at 12:16:51:

I can't decide between the Crosman model 1008 RepeatAir and the Crosman model 1740 pistol. Any suggestions?
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Msg. 276355  Posted by vZc® on August 17, 2000 at 12:13:46:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Firearm posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 09:52:06:

try Teflon coating the .172" up to .200" or .177"
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Msg. 276353  Posted by Roy on August 17, 2000 at 12:08:21:

Just got word that my job has been declared "unnecessary" at the ISP where I work. So, as of right now, 11:11am, I'm unemployed. Am getting a very generous severance package so I won't be hurting.

I guess it will be a while before I get back on the forum.

I want to tell all of you what a great time I've had. I've never had the privilege of dealing with so many intelligent and courteous people.

See you in the funny papers...

p.s. Be sure to vote this November. Get the scoundrels out of office before we're all disarmed.


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Msg. 276352  Posted by AirMonkey on August 17, 2000 at 11:59:43:

In Reply to: WOW! I never thought. posted by CJ on August 17, 2000 at 11:29:22:

Sounds like you do some very nice machine work on the QB and CR160. I liked your attention-to-detail on the QB barrel band-Well Done!

Keep up the good work,

Jeff
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Msg. 276351  Posted by Bubba on August 17, 2000 at 11:57:23:

In Reply to: Eley Wasp Domes posted by Andrew on August 16, 2000 at 22:15:06:

I have a bunch of them Eley Wasp dome pellets, in .177cal. I have yet to find much use for them. If I'm a shootin low powered stuff, usually at 10m or at 17yards fer the rams in pistol shiloputte, I like the wad cutter style pellet. Especially on paper. Makes nice clean holes, don't ya know. Them wasps are short fat, light little fellers. They do OK at short distance, but seem pretty wild at longer distances. They do pretty well in my Ben/Sher 397, with three pumps, but any ole thing does pretty good in this ole rifle. They will shoot OK in the QB78 too, but at short distances, and in cool weather. Kinda tweaked it a little, and it likes CP heavies, or Kodiaks in hot weather. So I cain't figer out where there is any use for this little feller. I got them as a prank. Had to drive 60 miles to buy out all the tins that a friend had discovered at a pawn shop, where they were selling them for $1.89 per tin. He bought one tin and bragged about it. Big mistake. I drove down and bought all the remaining stock at that price. Now, you can only do this sort of a thing to a friend. And I offered to sell him all he wanted at the price I paid, after he found out they were gone from his honey hole. Now I don't know who was smarter. I still have the pellets, he still has his money.

I'm done now.

Respectfully,
Bubba
Air Gun Guru of the Ozarks
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Msg. 276350  Posted by AirMonkey on August 17, 2000 at 11:55:31:

In Reply to: not appropriate for public viewing! posted by mako on August 17, 2000 at 00:42:23:

nt

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Msg. 276344  Posted by Randy from Va on August 17, 2000 at 11:46:48:

In Reply to: 22 cal racoon? posted by David E on August 17, 2000 at 10:04:23:

Take a steel plate and some electrical wire. Hook
one wire to a steel plate locate on the ground and
the other wire to a another type of conductor that
you can place some food on... When he steps on the plate
and puts his front paws on the conductor with food
on it... ZAP! no more problem... Make sure that the
circuit is not ground faulted or is may pop too soon!

Randy

By the way, some of us, (Boys in Blue), know the
difference between air propelled projectiles
and powder burning ammunition...
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Msg. 276343  Posted by Chris on August 17, 2000 at 11:35:32:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks guys but... posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 23:43:44:

I spoke with Precision Sales. BSA dropped the
Silver Star a couple years ago. That would've fit the bill. The next in line would be the HW77.
Chris
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Msg. 276340  Posted by Mike Lee on August 17, 2000 at 11:30:51:

Would a daisy 1700 kill a rat? P-23? I'm not sure who made this other airgun, but it's a revolver and says 357 on the side. Anyway, would that kill a rat?
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Msg. 276339  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 11:30:28:

In Reply to: Why can't you trap? posted by DougWall on August 17, 2000 at 10:33:40:

Contact your local aspca and borrow a trap from them and then return it. All it costs is a 50 dollar deposit then just bring the trap back. But then again you can buy a 220 conibear for about 15 dollars and take all city critters.
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Msg. 276338  Posted by CJ on August 17, 2000 at 11:29:22:

I never thought I would get so many inquires.
Thanks, I'll also have some .22 cal figures soon as someone is dropping a 160 off this evening. I'll still try to keep the three to four day turn around, I hope I can keep up with the orders. I do this in my spare time to keep my airgun addiction going. Also I'll be working on a web site to show what I do Pics and chorny results before and after tune. I've had a lot of questions on the price of shipping. $40 for the tune and what ever it cost you to ship it to me just include that amount in the money order for me to send it back to you.

Thanks again
CJ


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Should be available in September


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Msg. 276337  Posted by AirMonkey on August 17, 2000 at 11:19:59:

In Reply to: Re: Placing Bogus Ads On The Airgun Classified Page posted by Dutch on August 17, 2000 at 09:48:15:

The AirMonkey Sheridan C9 stock and CR-160/QB-77
B U L K Adapter will be available in September.

have a good day,

Jeff


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Msg. 276336  Posted by dscott on August 17, 2000 at 11:09:05:


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Msg. 276334  Posted by john from NY on August 17, 2000 at 11:00:39:

In Reply to: Natural Progression.... Match rifles..... Your thoughts posted by peter kay on August 17, 2000 at 01:45:45:

A Feinwerkbau 603 would be my choice, they run about 1,200 dollars or so from straight shooters.
-john
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Msg. 276333  Posted by peter huppertz on August 17, 2000 at 10:59:35:

In Reply to: Re: My kid knocked his front teeth out on a bike, useless helmet. YOUR POINT! posted by Ted on August 17, 2000 at 00:17:06:

I really don't get it.
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Msg. 276332  Posted by Craig W. on August 17, 2000 at 10:58:25:

In Reply to: not appropriate for public viewing! posted by mako on August 17, 2000 at 00:42:23:

n/t
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Msg. 276330  Posted by Hans on August 17, 2000 at 10:49:14:

Where can I purchase them, pref. online?
Thanks, Hans.
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Msg. 276329  Posted by Phil Herman on August 17, 2000 at 10:35:00:

In Reply to: 22 cal racoon? posted by David E on August 17, 2000 at 10:04:23:

David,
I took care of two racoons this Spring with my .22 Talon cranked to 35ft/lbs. at 10 feet for one and 20 feet for the other. That said, I live in the country so I had no "problems" to deal with but I can tell you as others will that the "Boys in Blue" will treat and air rifle the same as a firearm and can confiscate your gun.
Be careful,
Phil Herman

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Msg. 276328  Posted by DougWall on August 17, 2000 at 10:33:40:

In Reply to: 22 cal racoon? posted by David E on August 17, 2000 at 10:04:23:

Seems to me that there should be a way to trap. If it's a concern about trapping pets, use a live trap. If you already have a .22 rifle, you could use CB longs in it. Almost silent, with about 30 FPE or so.
With either the pellet, or CB, a side head shot, in front of the ear may be preferable. Having never killed a raccoon, there may be better opinions from those who have.
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Msg. 276327  Posted by Art on August 17, 2000 at 10:19:42:

In Reply to: Dave, tell Dave... posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 10:23:31:

Peter, I noticed that when I was shooting in IHMSA that my range estimations improved by a large margin. Now that you are shooting FT have you noticed an improvement or could you estimate as well as you are doing now?
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Msg. 276326  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 10:17:13:

In Reply to: Re: What is " dry firing " and why should it not be done?......nt posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 21:05:12:


On the bright side of things Russ, for close to 60 shots, the owner of that gun HEARD the awesome power of his gun!;) ----- Mr.P

BTW, I'll have to try some of those BS pellets!
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Msg. 276325  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 10:12:02:

In Reply to: Re: Breaking in an R-7 posted by AC on August 16, 2000 at 21:19:19:


AC, sorry to hear about the CP's not performing for you but I've a couple of friends who swear by CP's for R-7's. Just goes to show that nothing really takes the place of real-time testing of the gun we have in our hands. As far as SS is concerned, I do believe that their figures are legit (I'm sure you would agree with this) but I HAVE found some of their RWS 48 and 52 figures to be significantly lower than my own testing. Vern has reported his own chronographing on this forum and found the very same to be true too (again with RWS 48's). ---- Mr.P
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Msg. 276324  Posted by David E on August 17, 2000 at 10:04:23:

I had planned to get a 22 cal air rifle to attack problem racoons that I cannot trap. I live in the city and both 22 rimfire and air guns are outlawed but I feel the air rifle would be "less illegal" and also safer because of the quick loss of energy with a pellet. But comparing a 22 pellet from a Kodiak at 25 to maybe 30 fp to a 22 short which winchester says has 77 fp of energy makes me question if a pellet gun should be used on something as big as a racoon. My shots will be at 20 feet max with frontal shots. Is there a reliable kill zone for a pellet at that range?
Thanks,
David E.

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Msg. 276323  Posted by Art on August 17, 2000 at 09:59:59:

In Reply to: Re: .22 Remington posted by Chris Farhi on August 17, 2000 at 03:32:12:

True, but a new CRX will cost $1895. Don't know exactly what a ZM2002 costs.
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Msg. 276322  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 17, 2000 at 09:52:06:

In Reply to: .177 Firearm posted by bcd on August 16, 2000 at 23:41:15:


There have been many .17 firearm cartridges, mostly center-fires but some obscure wildcatted rim-fires too. The .17 Javelina was based on the .221 Remington Fireball case necked down to .17. The .221 is a shortened .222 Remington case, shortened to better burn powder from the 10" barrel of their XP-100 pistol. Another interesting .17 is the .17 Hornet. This one has the full range of the .22 Hornet but with a flatter trajectory and a quieter report. I have even seen pictures of .17 shorts and long rifles!

Also knew a guy who experimented with the 25gr. Hornady bullet (.17) in his .177 rifles. This way was before we knew of piston-bounce. He did say that this "pellet" was a penetrator from an airgun. Indeed!!! I wouldn't recommend it.

I do think that sub-caliber would be a viable choice for some future airgun calibers though. A man named Eichelburger sent me two .14 jacketed spitzers of about 12 grs. if memory serves (I have them stashed away somewhere) that are very streamlined and VERY deadly pushed out at over 5,000fps. A pellet of .14 could have the same sectional density of a .177 and still be a couple grains lighter. For plinking or close target shooting, such a pellet would be an interesting possibility. I wouldn't choose it for hunting but considering how the .177 is a headshot only proposition only caliber for alot of game, the idea of a really heavy .14 of relatively high SD and pellet pressure --- say 7-8grs.--- with a correspondingly high BC is again interesting. No shock or wound channel value to be sure BUT deeper penetration at farther, downrange distances and better wind bucking over any .177 pellet even close to the weight range. I believe such a pellet of say 8grs. would probably outpentrate a Premier heavy and do it with a much,much flatter trajectory.

We have even had a .12 caliber wildcats (don't know much about them) of blazing velocity and at least one very low-velocity pistol cartridge of .10 caliber (yes, you read that right). Shooting flies and cockroaches was never so much fun! ------- Mr.P
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Msg. 276321  Posted by Art on August 17, 2000 at 09:49:23:

In Reply to: How to determine the 'best' pellet for my gun? (QB-88) posted by Dan D in MA on August 16, 2000 at 13:06:54:

You have the idea. A couple of other things may help, if you don't zero the scope with every pellet is probably better. The reason is you are looking for group sizes. If scope is not zeroed your aiming point remains the same. If scope is zeroed the pellets will start to enlarge the hole and your aiming point gets a little larger so naturally your groups will get a little larger. This assumes your gun is capable of shooting small groups. Another is if you are hunting you should try to match pellet performance to size of game you are hunting.You may want to compromise a small amount of accuracy for a better performance.
For example Mike Person tests group sizes and also performance tests using Dove soap at different ranges.
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Msg. 276320  Posted by Dutch on August 17, 2000 at 09:48:15:

In Reply to: Placing Bogus Ads On The Airgun Classified Page posted by AirMonkey on August 17, 2000 at 09:38:04:

How is your Crosman 160 bulk conversion thingy going??

Dutch
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...wait until the parents of little ones find out........


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Msg. 276319  Posted by Michael A on August 17, 2000 at 09:47:40:

In Reply to: The Heretic Speaks posted by Happy Gardener on August 15, 2000 at 23:32:27:

....and you will hear a noise that will certainly mute the .22


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Msg. 276317  Posted by CharlesC on August 17, 2000 at 09:44:42:

In Reply to: The Precision Cheesometer Sight posted by Slug on August 17, 2000 at 06:03:52:

I've worked on and shot two 717's. One was box stock and the other was highly modified. The stock sight was real loose in the frame and moved around to the point where precision shooting was impossible. The modified one had the frame sides filed down so there was no side to side movement. Slight for and aft movement doesn't affect accuracy but can be shimmed to tighten it up. Once the stock sight fits the frame it works fine. It's coin adjustable and holds settings. I don't see any reason to replace the sight, just make it fit the frame. The modified 717 was as accurate as my IZH-46.
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Re: Electronic game callers


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Msg. 276316  Posted by Randy from Va on August 17, 2000 at 09:39:02:

In Reply to: Electronic game callers posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 09:16:10:

My buddy and I purchased a tape from Jim Stewart
I believe of an Owl/Crow fight and the sky turned
black with crows!

Now to get them to land... we purchased an owl decoy
but think we may have to get some standing crow
models to convince them to check it out!
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Msg. 276315  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 09:38:44:

As the post below by Mako states that he went into a public place to check on this active forum and see if he missed anything an as he is proceding to log on a popup message occurs stateing that the web site is innapropiate for public viewing. I suppose if something kills it is bad, next try to log onto a dart company like spalding and see if that is banned. One of those darts can kill a rabbit at 15 long paces.(Don't ask) So maybe if we called them airtoys and say we only shoot cans,paper and spinners with cleaning "bb's" not pellets we will get away with this whole thing. Airguns shouldn't be firearms but they are in my great state of NJ. Even a Beeman Kodiak .25 caliber doesn't have the same ammount as a .22 short CB 56.7 fpe. Airguns don't fire burnt powder out and most don't go beyond the 30 fpe mark unless you get into big bore airguns. The big bore and such should be kept as like classic cars they are fun to play around with no one seriously would take a .44 and go after a Deer (I thought about it) studies show you need at least 900 fpe muzzle to kill at deer that is why a .410 gauge/caliber with slugs can kill them with about 1041 fpe at muzzle. The big bore airguns would maybe have enough power to take coyotes and the like at 50 yards but most people want these guns to have the power in their hands or just to take it to the range and show it off.(That is what I had in mind for myself) Archery guys don't get looked at bad you know, their high tech bows have about the same power that our big bores have. I have a martin jaguar shoots 263 on a good day set at 65 shooting 400 grain carbon arrows beeman ics and a 150 grain broadhead about 85 fpe. Farco airshot gun 538 fps 135 has around 86 fpe with a .43 caliber ball. So the media should think about what they are hateing. People with neat toys or people with killing machinges. YOu decide.
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Msg. 276314  Posted by AirMonkey on August 17, 2000 at 09:38:04:

A moron is (again) placing bogus ads on the airgun classified page using my telephone number. Please do not respond to any ads that post an area code and prefix of (817) 732-____ until further notice.

thank you,

Jeff Natterer
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Uncle Gary.....


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Msg. 276313  Posted by Dutch on August 17, 2000 at 09:37:16:

I have yet another bug. When I tap into my email, I am automattically disconnected from my server. I tried to use your URL to get into the forum, but it won't let me. Could you put up the URL here so I can attempt entrance?

My understanding of the happy99 virus is that norton cannot get all of it. The best remedy is to wipe the hard drive clean and start from scratch. That virus will go else where and remain undected when you run norton. It likes to munch away at your files. That is the name of the game.


Later

Dutch
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Smith Wesson 77a valve repair info needed


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Msg. 276312  Posted by CBrown on August 17, 2000 at 09:18:04:

Any information on the repair or replacement of the exhaust valve of the S&W mod. 77A pneumatic rifle would be greatly appreciated, and reciprocated, if poss. I have a parts diagram but I am curious to find out if there are any special procedures I would need to know before I tear into it.....Thanks all.........
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Msg. 276311  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 09:17:51:

In Reply to: spotting scope posted by RLowe on August 17, 2000 at 06:20:33:

Why do you need a spotting scope in your garage even a fixed 1.5 bushnell banner would see individual holes.
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Electronic game callers


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Msg. 276310  Posted by matt sudol on August 17, 2000 at 09:16:10:

Has anyone ever tried like a jonny stewart or a Dennis Kurt electronic game caller for crows? Would you reccomend the hand calls or the electronic caller.
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Re: Not in the world of Bicycling...


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Msg. 276309  Posted by Larz on August 17, 2000 at 09:04:47:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks guys but... posted by chasm on August 16, 2000 at 22:55:30:

in that realm, lighter is better and much more expensive. :-)..

Later

Larz


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Re: Wonderfully written treatise on the history of gun controls.


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Msg. 276308  Posted by Mark er on August 17, 2000 at 09:00:53:

In Reply to: Wonderfully written treatise on the history of gun controls. posted by Russ Best on August 16, 2000 at 22:10:29:

Thanks for posting the link Russ. I like it so much that I e-mailed them to ask if they mind if I put a link to it on my website. Is that a run on sentence? lol
--Mark

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Any body been ratting?


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Msg. 276307  Posted by Ian on August 17, 2000 at 09:00:50:

If so, how about posting your ratting stories/encounters for us?

Ian
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Re: not appropriate for public viewing!


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Msg. 276306  Posted by Zero on August 17, 2000 at 08:59:38:

In Reply to: not appropriate for public viewing! posted by mako on August 17, 2000 at 00:42:23:

Those filters are real pain in the arse. The site contains the word "gun". Therefore, it's bad. We're all bad, WE'RE ALL EVIL I TELL YOU!


...

Well... Sorta.

-Zero the Inestimable
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Msg. 276305  Posted by Mark er on August 17, 2000 at 08:37:58:

In Reply to: What kind of rear sight does/did the Daisy 777 have? Micrometer? Click adjustable? Worth upgrading a 717 with? Still available? nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 17, 2000 at 02:11:01:

If you put the rear 777 sight an a 717 you will also need to replace the front blade. The 777 has a higher front blade than the 717. So if you don't change both, the rear end will run out of adjusment before you get it sighted in.
--Mark

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Re: airgun smithing


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Msg. 276304  Posted by docwells on August 17, 2000 at 08:27:48:

In Reply to: Re: airgun smithing posted by Sloop on August 17, 2000 at 00:11:29:

Where is the best source for the Trigger to Target book? Keep in mind that some people just enjoy reading about how to tinker and don't have any aspirations beyond that. In my opinion, you can gain a greater appreciation for your guns if you take the time to understand their mechanisms.
Take it easy,
docwells

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Re: Randy-where in VA are you from?


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Msg. 276303  Posted by Randy from Va on August 17, 2000 at 08:26:57:

In Reply to: Randy-where in VA are you from? posted by Josh P. on August 16, 2000 at 15:21:58:

Josh,
I live in Loudoun Co. Near Leesburg Va.


Randy
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Re: Natural Progression.... Match rifles..... Your thoughts


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Msg. 276302  Posted by Phillip Reedy on August 17, 2000 at 08:08:18:

In Reply to: Natural Progression.... Match rifles..... Your thoughts posted by peter kay on August 17, 2000 at 01:45:45:

Hello Peter,

Normally for a question such as yours, I would say that a used FWB 300s or Diana 75s would be great, but that is for normal ISSF 10m shooting. Three-position is another matter, as the cocking levers of these two rifles are not easy to manage while in the prone or kneeling position. Cocking these rifles will necessitate taking the rifle out of position for each shot.
Instead, you might want to look at a couple of CO2 rifles. For novice level, look at the new offerings from Crosman and Daisy. The new Crosman has an adjustable stock, and I believe uses CO2 cartridges. The new Daisy (Avanti?) is bulk-filled CO2. Note that Daisy also makes a single-stroke pneumatic match rifle, but I wouldn't consider that a good 3-pos. match rifle for the same reasons as the two German rifles mentioned above.
A much better rifle, and maybe could be called intermediate level, would be the TAU-200, which can be had in both junior and adult versions. You can do either CO2 cartridges or bulk-fill with this rifle.
The highest level would be the PCP rifles from Feinwerkbau, Walther, Anschutz, Steyr, and Hammerli. Of their current rifles, the Walther, Hammerli, and Anschutz would be the easiest to use from a 3-pos. shooter's standpoint.

have fun,
Phil Reedy
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Re: Thanks, ...


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Msg. 276301  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 08:02:36:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks, ... posted by ProfHoff on August 16, 2000 at 20:23:02:

ProHoff, me too..i bugged the gun i ordered from maybe 3 times this yrs..the shine has worn off some but ill live..give more time to pay it off ;)
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Re: seems my new toy is delayed: april 6 .99..15 months ago or so NT


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Msg. 276300  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 07:58:22:

In Reply to: Re: seems my new toy is delayed posted by ProfHoff on August 16, 2000 at 09:26:21:


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Re: How about a REAL airshotgun


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Msg. 276299  Posted by James L on August 17, 2000 at 07:54:42:

In Reply to: Don't go there. posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 16:10:36:

Get yourself a Crosman 1100 airshotgun and some of those 380 caliber shotshells fill them with lead 177 round balls. You should get 400 fps with these but range is short about 20-25 FEET. but it does work. I do keep a hb20 avaiable while doing this. Just in case for "finishing" shots. Hav'nt had to do it yet. Plan to send gun to Mac-1 some day for power mods. make it even better. You really wanna thump the RAT? put a scope on the gun and load 375 round ball in the cartridge. wow what a feelin.
James L

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Msg. 276297  Posted by M Boyle on August 17, 2000 at 07:44:18:

In Reply to: Natural Progression.... Match rifles..... Your thoughts posted by peter kay on August 17, 2000 at 01:45:45:

find a used FWB 300 or 300s to start out..after that the skys the limit..more things change the more they stay the same..when guns first came on the seen they had metal stocks. guess what! the latest from the top companys have aluminum stocks
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Re: Pellet Lube.


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Msg. 276295  Posted by JS on August 17, 2000 at 07:29:42:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet Lube. posted by Omer on August 16, 2000 at 14:32:59:

I was under the impression that lubing a pellet is done to reduce leading in the barrel, not rust.
At least that is why I lube pellets anyway :-)

Jack
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Re: Non-Lead Pellets?


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Msg. 276292  Posted by peter huppertz on August 17, 2000 at 07:19:59:

In Reply to: Non-Lead Pellets? posted by Rx4TRBL on August 17, 2000 at 02:36:19:

Various British shooters have been trying the Dynamics, and they seem to be surprisingly accurate!

Unfortunately, they're also hallucinatorily expensive. I do salute Prometheus, for stubbornly trying to get their act together against all odds.

Stay away from the plastic ones, btw -- your barrel won't like them, or so the guru's say.

peter
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Re: not appropriate for public viewing!


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Msg. 276291  Posted by StuartH on August 17, 2000 at 07:15:07:

In Reply to: Re: not appropriate for public viewing! posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 01:01:45:

Not surprising for Vancouver. The town that actually has posted "Nuclear Free Zone" signs at all the city limits. If those guys get any more PC they won't be able to get out of be for fear of offending someone.

StuartH
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Re: spotting scope


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Msg. 276290  Posted by ^tg^ on August 17, 2000 at 07:03:14:

In Reply to: spotting scope posted by RLowe on August 17, 2000 at 06:20:33:

try Orion Telescope, link below

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Re: times have changed, for sure


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Msg. 276289  Posted by jj on August 17, 2000 at 06:59:37:

In Reply to: times have changed, for sure posted by Doug Owen on August 15, 2000 at 15:46:30:

Doug,

I would love to "look it up". However, I wouldn't know a reliable place to gather this sort of information. Especially when referring to percentages.

In almost every issue, where there are sides taken, results are almost always skewed
to favor the position taken. This is most noticable in the media. To give an example (and only an example), to favor a particular position, the number of unwed mothers are compared to the whole population (even those who cannot possibly have children) say 10 or 20 years ago, then take the same sample of the the population and compare it to only viable females or better yet, only females that are not yet of legal age. *IF* what I say here is true, then you would certainly have to admit that the results are skewed in favor of a particular position.

Not to mention that the population has grown in 10 to 20 years. While numbers are certainly different from years gone by, unwed mothers is nothing new over the centuries. While the problem you mention seemed to slow down during some points in time, it never really disappeared, even during the victorian ages.

However, I would have to agree that attitudes have changed, which would certainly contribute to a decay in moral judgement.

Just my opinion.
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Re: My kid knocked his front teeth out on a bike, useless helmet. YOUR POINT!


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Msg. 276288  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 17, 2000 at 06:21:49:

In Reply to: Re: My kid knocked his front teeth out on a bike, useless helmet. YOUR POINT! posted by Ted on August 17, 2000 at 00:17:06:

Actually I'd rather have little kids shoot lower powered bb guns. Because some of the MAGNUM airguns could probably kill someone if they tried stuff like the shotgun thingy. The MAGNUM ones are a bit to big for most kids anyways. Also I'd make them were saftey glasses while shooting.
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Msg. 276287  Posted by RLowe on August 17, 2000 at 06:20:33:

Is there a reasonably priced spotting scope that will focus down to 10 meters? I have a Leupold 12-40 that does, but I am looking for a cheaper alternative to leave set up on my range in the garage.Thanks for any help.
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Re: Crazy guy with a pellet gun


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Msg. 276286  Posted by BSJ on August 17, 2000 at 06:04:56:

In Reply to: Re: Crazy guy with a pellet gun posted by RBest on August 15, 2000 at 22:11:31:

It's kind of funny. They're practically saying, Vote for Gore because Lieberman isn't like him.

I hope they keep it up, they'll lose for sure.
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Msg. 276285  Posted by Slug on August 17, 2000 at 06:03:52:

In Reply to: What kind of rear sight does/did the Daisy 777 have? Micrometer? Click adjustable? Worth upgrading a 717 with? Still available? nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 17, 2000 at 02:11:01:

- I don't know if it's still available or not.
- It adjusts up and down with a (loose) horizontal thumbwheel, and left to right with another (loose) flat screw, and the sight width has its own (not-quite-as-loose) screw adjustment set into it sideways. I don't know how bad the 717 is, but much of the reason that the 777 isn't real Olympic grade material is the rear sight: if you shake the gun, you can hear the sight rattle around. A couple strategically places springs could cure much of it, but I just put it where it works and then be careful enough not to touch it. - Slug
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Re: Crosman 400 Info needed


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Msg. 276283  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 17, 2000 at 04:52:20:

In Reply to: Crosman 400 Info needed posted by Scott S. on August 17, 2000 at 03:22:15:

Assuming you're looking for a shooter, I would suggest only purchasing a 400 with the trigger-block safety. These were only produced around 1962-1964 and seem to be much harder to find than the earlier 1957 - 1962 cross-bolt safety version. Of course, you probably already know all of this from my book, 75 Years of Crosman Airguns.

Value? It would be interesting to see how much a real nice late-model 400 would fetch on a hot internet auction. In lieu of that, the average price tag has been in the $125 range for one in excellent condition.
dt fletcher

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Msg. 276282  Posted by peter huppertz on August 17, 2000 at 04:30:52:

In Reply to: I've done it sereval times before while hunting mice with my old Crosman 2100(before it broke)and never once got hit by a BBand it killed them with no problem@3 pumps so I'm sure 5 or 6 would kill a rat.(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 16, 2000 at 18:51:22:

Well, really I haven't, but I know a guy that has. See where your logic flaws?

You just hang on in there... but sooner or later, normal traffic is going to get ya.

peter
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Msg. 276281  Posted by daisy on August 17, 2000 at 03:52:17:


I heard I report on the raido news today that from midnight tonight all imports of handguns are banned. For a dealer to import a handgun, he must have a order for it from a licenced handgun shooter. This from a federal goverment that is our right wing party. So watch it our you could be next.

daisy
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Too much I think.....


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Msg. 276280  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 17, 2000 at 03:41:16:

In Reply to: BEST price online site for the P1??? posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 23:57:00:

...I love my P1 (HW45) but I just don't think the quality justifies the BIG price on this pistol. I paid the equivalent of around $330 USD for my (new in box) P1, I feel that $230 USD would be more reasonable. For the price they go for they really should be solid, blued steel and not cast-alloy frames. I've owned a German RWS 6G too, and while a nice pistol it is also very much overpriced. Maybe the Germans have alot of taxation and duty fees? The P3's price would seem to be the exception to the "German rule".

I've seen the nickel plated Benjiman CO2 pistols and they seem a much better dollar for dollar value, albeit less exotic than the P1.

Thousand-dollar airpistols aside; it would seem to me the Czechs, Russians and American made Benjiman/Sheridans represnt the current best deals in airpistol land.
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Re: .22 Remington


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Msg. 276279  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 17, 2000 at 03:32:12:

In Reply to: Re: .22 Remington posted by RBest on August 15, 2000 at 23:27:30:

If you want a really beaut. piece of custom work, then try the Volquartsen Onyx .22
Beautiful gun, great accuracy, although it will leave your pocket pretty empty with it's US$1299 pricetag
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Re: Swift 669MTA vs Simmons 1048T?


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Msg. 276278  Posted by peter huppertz on August 17, 2000 at 03:26:31:

In Reply to: Re: Swift 669MTA vs Simmons 1048T? posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:22:16:

OK, thanks, that means I can now put my wandering soul to rest, and tell the owner of the 669MTA that either he has a defective one, or he needs a visit to an optometrist ;-)

peter
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Re: Beretta(R) Airguns, who makes 'em?


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Msg. 276277  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 17, 2000 at 03:24:44:

In Reply to: Beretta(R) Airguns, who makes 'em? posted by Joseph B. on August 17, 2000 at 02:18:05:

They are made by Umarex.

URL is below


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Crosman 400 Info needed


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Msg. 276275  Posted by Scott S. on August 17, 2000 at 03:22:15:

Greetings to all,
Now that I've decided to buy a Crosman 400 I'd like to ask a couple of questions:
1) Are these rifles exceedingly rare or are they fairly easy to come by?
2) Approxiately how much should I expect to pay for one in good to excellent condition?
Thanks again for everyone's input...it has proved invaluable in my quest.
Regards,
Scott
PS Daisy 2003 close out update. Apparently my 2003 purchase was some what of a fluke. I went to purchase more & the model they were offering was the Daisy 454 20 shot co2 BB Repeater at $12.00. I asked about more 2003's & they said they had no more in stock. I guess I just got lucky!
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Msg. 276271  Posted by Rx4TRBL on August 17, 2000 at 02:36:19:

Anybody tried 'em?

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Msg. 276270  Posted by James Kitching on August 17, 2000 at 02:33:23:

In Reply to: Re-zeroing every day ?... posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 15:45:35:

If its a spring gun go to my site to the Stay Tuned page, article there on accuracy check list.
Let me know if it helps.
To be that far off, something is moving somewhere.

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Msg. 276269  Posted by Joseph B. on August 17, 2000 at 02:18:05:

Hey, I was wondering, who really makes the Beretta 92FS pistol replicas? Here is a URL to an example of what I mean:

http://www.webcom.com/airguns/Beretta2.htm

They are made with the Beretta name, but does not mean Beretta REALLY makes them. Are they subcontracted to another company?

I would Like to know they URL of the subcontractors, if they have one.... And also, if they make em w/ plastic in the wrong places.

Thanks in addvance,

Joseph
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Msg. 276267  Posted by jcbii on August 17, 2000 at 01:58:35:

In Reply to: BEST price online site for the P1??? posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 23:57:00:

I can't say whether it is the best price or not, but Airguns of Arizona has them listed for $295.00.

jcbii
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Msg. 276266  Posted by peter kay on August 17, 2000 at 01:45:45:

What would be a good novice level 10 meter match rifle to start of with. I want to start practicing for three-position matches. Also, what are the best intermediate cost match rifle to graduate to and eventually the top of the line 10-meter match rifles currently available in the market.
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Msg. 276265  Posted by Whitewolf on August 17, 2000 at 01:44:20:

In Reply to: Beeman P1 Magnum posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 16:43:04:

Steve the P1 is rated as a restricted weapon in Canada. And will be treated as such ie belong to a gun club, min 8 range visits per year etc etc And that's a must just to keep restricted weapons. So there are a few of us Canucks that are fortunate.

Later Whitewolf
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Msg. 276264  Posted by John Sa. on August 17, 2000 at 01:40:05:

In Reply to: Re: OK, you've got an idea to help accuracy w/ this problem ? (nt) posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 01:08:53:

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Msg. 276263  Posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 01:26:59:

In Reply to: how much STRONGER is the P1 compared to the P3?? posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 22:30:06:

P-3 shoots 380fps with a 7.9gr CP.
I think the P-1 in .177 cal shoots well over 500fps.
The P-1 is made of a metal alloy. The P-3 has a polymer frame.

HTH,
Todd
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Msg. 276262  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 01:25:37:

In Reply to: Re: what kind of power adjustments can the Career Carbine have... 3 or 13? I want to go from plink to POWER... thanks posted by Van Sharp on August 17, 2000 at 01:12:17:

The older ones were 3 position units, like the current Saver guns. Power ran from around 45 to almost 80 ft.lbs, depending on the position. At those levels, there wasn't a whole heck of a lot of difference, noise-wise. The newer Career's need to have some additional work done to them in order to do what you are thinking of, which may take some power off the top end. (were talking .22 caliber right now). RB
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Msg. 276261  Posted by K.B. on August 17, 2000 at 01:23:10:

In Reply to: FX2000 Mods posted by Keith on August 16, 2000 at 21:02:25:

There are several things that can be done to this gun by the average home gunsmith. The first thing you are going to want to do is make certain that there is almost zero friction down the barrel for the pellet, makes it shoot much higher fps. This can be accomplished by super saturating the barrel with teflon powder being swiped through barrel mulitple times till it won't take any more.

Next you are going to want to raise the amount of air being released into the chamber upon pulling the trigger. This I found to be a bit more difficult due to the nature of this gun being built like a brick-@#$%house. I found it necessary to get a good new hacksaw blade and remove the rear cap by sawing it off giving me access to the firing mechanism and the spring. This spring will need to be replaced by one that is at least five times the static energy as stock, this give mondo power even exceeding the Career!

Now that this gun has so much power I felt it necessary to design a means of maintaining a grip on it when I was firing. This is the fun part, if not slightly messy. I found Mother Golds Homebrew mollasses to be an excellent way to keep the gun in my hands and had the bonus of offering a midshot snack and energy boost. Never know when your gonna bonk, definately want something nearby to pick you up.

Hope this is the kind of information you were looking for, home brewed gun mods.


K.B.


P.S. ;-) This gun is fine as it is.



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Msg. 276260  Posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 01:22:49:

In Reply to: Need pistol suggestions... posted by Steve T on August 16, 2000 at 20:08:40:

At $120 your can only get the plastic plinkers from Daisy,Crosman or Gamo.
Crosman 1008,357
Daisy 44
Gamo P23,others
I would be really surprised if any of these guns would reach much over 400fps.

You should consider the single shot Crosman 2289. You can convert it to a pistol and have a pumper with far more energy than the CO2 guns. About $100 at Cdn Tire. Or the 1377/1322 pumpers.
A used Crosman Mark 1 or 2 pistol would also be a good pistol. I think Fearon Steele has a Mark 2 he is selling. The Mark 2 is .177 and would give higher velocity than the semis and be more accurate.
HTH,
Todd

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Msg. 276259  Posted by V an Sharp on August 17, 2000 at 01:18:41:

In Reply to: Pumps for PCP guns, Axsor or Koriean? Dealers? posted by Jody Fite on August 16, 2000 at 19:48:22:

Axsor pump is the way to go.Dealers straightshooter. Mach-1. ARS
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Msg. 276258  Posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 01:12:40:

In Reply to: Big question for everyone posted by John Habanero on August 16, 2000 at 21:16:56:

I have experience with:
Daisy 717
Webley Tempest
Webley Hurricane
Beeman P-2
Beeman P-3
Crosman Mark 1 (x4)
Brno Tau-7
Crosman 1008
Beretta CO2
IZH-46

I now only have a P-3, Mark 1 and hopefully another TAU-7 soon. These are the guns I find the most use for with my shooting.
It would take too long to give a detailed summary of each gun. E-mail me if you have any questions concerning any of these guns.
HTH,
Todd
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Msg. 276257  Posted by Van Sharp on August 17, 2000 at 01:12:17:

In Reply to: what kind of power adjustments can the Career Carbine have... 3 or 13? I want to go from plink to POWER... thanks posted by jason on August 17, 2000 at 01:00:45:

In stock form the gun may have 13 clicks but there is little difference in power varible unless it has a gear wheel modification.Then and only then could I tell a difference in sound as well as fps/ft/lbs. Later
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Msg. 276256  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 01:08:53:

In Reply to: OK, you've got an idea to help accuracy w/ this problem ? (nt) posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 21:40:45:

A relatively decent AO scope would help. See my other post to you. A $60 US scope would do it. RB
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Msg. 276253  Posted by RBest on August 17, 2000 at 01:01:45:

In Reply to: not appropriate for public viewing! posted by mako on August 17, 2000 at 00:42:23:

Why, those anti-so and so's !! I'll be bet you could get into a filthy teen forum though! Did you try a 'side door'? It would be interesting to know if other gun related sites were also banned. RB
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Msg. 276252  Posted by jason on August 17, 2000 at 01:00:45:

I want to go from plink to POWER
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Msg. 276251  Posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 00:59:09:

In Reply to: Re: ok, please tell me the PROS+CONS between the P1/P2/P3... posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 00:55:53:

I didn't find any of the P series guns difficult to cock.
The P-2 and P-3 cock on closing.
The P-1 cocks on opening.
The P-1,2 have alloy frames and the P-3 has a polymer frame with metal interior.

Todd
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Msg. 276250  Posted by TCooper on August 17, 2000 at 00:55:53:

In Reply to: ok, please tell me the PROS+CONS between the P1/P2/P3... posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 22:45:34:

I owned a P-2 a while ago. I now have a P-3. A friend had a P-1 (.22 cal) when I had my P-2.

My P-2 did 390fps with Meisterkugeln heavies(8.3gr) and 420fps with Eley wasps(7.3-7.4gr).
My P-3 shoots 380fps with CPLs and 404fps with Hobbys.
I can't remember exactly what the P-1 did but I think it was 420fps.

The P-2 is a nice gun with a beautiful trigger. I had the wooden target grip model. Accuracy was good but not any better than the P-3. The P-3 is a cheaper version of the P-2 IMHO. I like my P-3 better because it has the same accuracy but is a lot cheaper.
The P-1 delivers more energy than the other two guns and is more suited to hunting. You will likely give up a little accuracy with the P-1 but the energy output is far superior.
HTH,
Todd
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Msg. 276248  Posted by mako on August 17, 2000 at 00:42:23:

While in Vancouver, Canada I tried to check out the message board while in a cyber cafe. When I tried to view the message board I got the following message:

"This site is deemed inappropriate for viewing in a public enviroment"m :-(

I guess you guys need to clean up your act! :-)

pretty sad that we get lumped in with the pornographers!
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Msg. 276247  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 17, 2000 at 00:34:48:

In Reply to: Re: Don't go there. posted by Cody Dotter on August 16, 2000 at 16:39:11:

Yeah - the shotgun spray won't have much power, and the risk or ricochets is huge.
It's better to learn to shoot, then to use a shotgun style BB gun, and loose your eye.

Chris
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Msg. 276246  Posted by Ted on August 17, 2000 at 00:17:06:

In Reply to: Re: You will shoot your eye out! posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 20:20:35:

Years ago my kid 7 at the time knocked his front teeth out going over the handle bars due to a bad section of sidewalk. Helmet did nothing to protect him. Your POINT of this thread is WHAT? The same evening we were in the hospital and another kid 14 or 15 was there also knocked front teeth out also wearing helmet and dislocated/broke shoulder diagnosis wasn't in yet. Children will be children, accidents will happen. Children won't do things like build things that go boom, shoot potatos, tenis balls, beer cans, and ETC. Yes they will, the BB guns were probably safer than some of the stuff we made.
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Msg. 276245  Posted by aaron gassman on August 17, 2000 at 00:12:49:

In Reply to: airgun smithing posted by John on August 16, 2000 at 23:55:25:

Includes chapters on trigger tricks, action tricks, customization, etc. Mostly pertains to CO2 and pnuematic guns, not much on spring-piston smithing.
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Msg. 276244  Posted by Sloop on August 17, 2000 at 00:11:29:

In Reply to: airgun smithing posted by John on August 16, 2000 at 23:55:25:

John:
Books? R-1 by Tom Gaylord and Trigger to Target by Cardew, for basics. Not much else, but you do have the forums. Don't know why your'e asking, but my thinking is this: don't spoil an enjoyable hobby by trying to make a living at it. Second, take the machine shop class at high school, your local community college, or an apprenticeship program. Theres only so much you can do to a gun unless you have access to the right tools and know how to use them, gunsmithing or airgunsmithing.
Sloop
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Msg. 276243  Posted by BCall on August 17, 2000 at 00:05:24:

In Reply to: .177 Firearm posted by bcd on August 16, 2000 at 23:41:15:

It was a wildcat caliber that was chambered in a few factory rifles. If I remember right, they were Sako actions. There was never any factory ammo available, so with the advent of the .17 Remington it died out. It was built on the same case as the .222/.223/.17 Rem, just a little shorter. Not as short as the .17 Mach IV, the Mach IV is built on the .221 Fireball case. Kind of an in-between case. BTW, the actual diameter of firearm .17 is .172, a little smaller than airguns. There are several books on cartridge conversions that should have some info on it, I can't remember the exact names, it's something like "Cartridge Conversions of the World". Similar to that anyway. Can't remember who marketed them, only option now is custom ar the .17 Remington. They are fast and fun, but a little fussy about what you feed them. Hope this helps, Bill
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Msg. 276242  Posted by Joe Whittaker on August 17, 2000 at 00:01:38:

In Reply to: .177 Firearm posted by bcd on August 16, 2000 at 23:41:15:

Most of the .17s I've read about were wildcats
like the .17/357. It may have been a custom.


Joe W.
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Msg. 276241  Posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 23:57:00:

thanks.....
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Msg. 276240  Posted by John on August 16, 2000 at 23:55:25:

I am looking for a good book or books on airgun smithing. Anybody have any suggestions?
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Russ?


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Msg. 276239  Posted by Sloop on August 16, 2000 at 23:54:55:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks guys but... posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 23:43:44:

Russ:

I forgot the details on this gun as far as velocity, but if I recall, it's got a little more pop than the R-7, has a standard size scope rail, and is easy to tune (relative to other BSA guns). Is that right? So, why don't we hear much about this gun anymore? It sounds like the underlever R-7 that Chris is asking about.

Sloop
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Msg. 276238  Posted by Jake on August 16, 2000 at 23:51:58:

In Reply to: How to determine the 'best' pellet for my gun? (QB-88) posted by Dan D in MA on August 16, 2000 at 13:06:54:

You seem to have a pretty good grasp on what you need to do. One thing you don't really need to do, though, is rezero your scope for each different type of pellet. What you should be mainly concerned with during your trials is group size. Once you find a pellet that gives the best groups, then zero your scope for that particular pellet and stick to that pellet. Please note that some pellets that are marketed under different brand names can come from the same manufacturer, i.e. Gamo makes Daisy pellets but they both come from the same production lines.
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Msg. 276237  Posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 23:49:23:

In Reply to: Re: ok, please tell me the PROS+CONS between the P1/P2/P3... posted by Greg J. on August 16, 2000 at 22:57:01:

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Msg. 276236  Posted by Steve Parker on August 16, 2000 at 23:49:05:

In Reply to: Re: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by cvarcher on August 16, 2000 at 22:08:56:


Hey Corrado, how are you? It's been way too long! I'd enjoy a NY get together, but I'm really only flinging arrows these days (gettin' pretty good too!).
Steve
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Msg. 276235  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 16, 2000 at 23:45:11:

In Reply to: are there any reviews on the P1?? posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 23:42:06:


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Msg. 276234  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 23:45:01:

In Reply to: .177 Firearm posted by bcd on August 16, 2000 at 23:41:15:

Hmmm,,, I only know of the Remington .17, but there are a couple others. RB
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Msg. 276233  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 23:43:44:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks guys but... posted by Sloop on August 16, 2000 at 23:23:30:

Sloop: you're right. At slightly over 6 pounds, it's light and quite accurate. Not a heavy recoiller, but somewhat twangy(less than a Diana 34/36)and easy to cock. I had mine out for some 'exercise' last week. RB
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Msg. 276232  Posted by Jake on August 16, 2000 at 23:42:38:

In Reply to: Tech Force gums at Compasseco posted by Jason on August 16, 2000 at 21:02:24:

Quality control at the Shanghai plant where these guns are made is circumspect at best. Some of the Chinese guns are good serviceable pieces, but others of the same model can be awful. Luckily though, if you don't like it, Compasseco will take it back. I bought a springer pistol from them a couple years ago and the barrel on it was bent in two places. They took it back and gave me a full refund (except for shipping). I bought a QB78 CO2 rifle from them and it was a good serviceable gun, but the sights on it were bad, so I put a scope in it and it shoots very well.
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Msg. 276231  Posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 23:42:06:

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Msg. 276230  Posted by bcd on August 16, 2000 at 23:41:15:

Long ago, I recall a gorgeous rifle that, I think,
was called the Javelina. It was a .177 caliber
firearm. I've done a little searching off and on,
but no joy. Anyone remember this?
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Msg. 276229  Posted by R Yost in St Louis on August 16, 2000 at 23:33:27:

In Reply to: Owners of more than one gun how do ya.......... posted by Tom B on August 16, 2000 at 20:03:41:

nt
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Msg. 276228  Posted by bcd on August 16, 2000 at 23:33:12:

In Reply to: Tasco Red Dot " backwards " posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:21:18:

Does the target look smaller when you look through the scope?

OK, OK, my most abject apology for this outburst,
I just couldn't resist ... and NO, you don't get to ask why
I'd ask such a question (double wide grin)
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Msg. 276227  Posted by James Kitching on August 16, 2000 at 23:30:35:

In Reply to: Tech Force gums at Compasseco posted by Jason on August 16, 2000 at 21:02:24:

The Xifeng guns are far better quality for about the same price.
See my site for detail, customer comments

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Msg. 276226  Posted by Art on August 16, 2000 at 23:29:14:

In Reply to: Daisy 747 posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 12:29:30:

Golden Troller has a pic on his page.
URL is Below

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Msg. 276225  Posted by Sloop on August 16, 2000 at 23:23:30:

In Reply to: Thanks guys but... posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 22:45:53:

Chris:

You might take a look at the BSA Silverstar. It's a little lighter than the other underlevers, by maybe a pound or so. Haven't heard much about it since the superstar has been on sale at Precision Sales.

Sloop
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Msg. 276224  Posted by Art on August 16, 2000 at 23:21:05:

In Reply to: Pellet weights for springer posted by Fred on August 16, 2000 at 17:45:10:

Fred here is Russ Best's post for Pellet weights.

Posted by RBest on August 13, 2000 at 00:41:45:
In Reply to: Re: spring life posted by Sid Edgewater on August 13, 2000 at
00:10:17:
Sid: by asking. Another factor is the wire diameter of the spring. Slender
springs (.128" and under)don't particularly do well with heavy-ish pellets. Many
airguns fall into that category. Some of the bigger magnums like Kodiak, Pro
Elite and R-1 have heavy springs and can take it somewhat better. ( the RWS
sidelevers use .128 springs). Heavy pellets can produce something called piston
bounce, which happens when a pellets is slow to start moving up the barrel. The
column of compressed air behind it causes the piston to act like it's hit a
wall- even though it hasn't. Just at that point, the pellet is now moving again
and the piston resumes it's forward motion to the endwall of the chamber. This
sudden stop-start-stop of the spring stresses it, and eventually can cause the
spring to fail.
As a very general rule:
.177's keep pellets between 7.3 and 9.5 gr
,20 " " " 10.5 and 14.3 gr
.22 " " " 11.5 and 15.5 grains
This applies to most 'magnum class' spring rifles, but not all. Lower powered
rifles should try to stay on the lighter end of pellets. Regards, Russ Best

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Msg. 276223  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 16, 2000 at 23:19:14:

In Reply to: Thanks guys but... posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 22:45:53:

Underlever rifles (especially the ones that have been refered to) are usually heavier, because they are of are more suited towards F/T (especially the Tx200 and the HW97/77).
Overall, most underlevers are heavier then their break-barrel counterparts.
If weight is a concern, then a PCP or break-barrel would be best.

Chris Farhi
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Msg. 276222  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 16, 2000 at 23:16:01:

In Reply to: ok, please tell me the PROS+CONS between the P1/P2/P3... posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 22:45:34:

P1 = powerful springer, recoilling, Colt 1911 grips, very good trigger
P2 = target gun, elegant steel and wood, pneumatic, nonrecoilling, superb trigger, cock hammer to fire
P3 = similar to P2 but plastic, very good trigger, automatic safety, "hammer" is cocking release (as in P1)
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Msg. 276221  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 23:13:06:

In Reply to: In spite of what the forum generally seems to say about you, you are a GENTLEMAN and a SCHOLAR! nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 16, 2000 at 22:55:27:

nt
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Msg. 276220  Posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 23:04:26:

In Reply to: Re: Tasco Red Dot " backwards " posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:35:05:

Uncle Gary,

Ok this it what I did.

I took a shot the pellet hit low. I turned the adjustment in the direction of the arrow that said "UP". I shot again and the pellet hit even lower. I then turned the adjustment in the other direction, "down" opposit of the up arrow, and the pellet hit higher. Does this make sence?

I'm not tryin to be "smart" I'm trying to learn somethin here.

Gary
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Msg. 276219  Posted by vZc® on August 16, 2000 at 23:04:06:

In Reply to: Oh quit it Jeff! Now you're starting to sound like vZc! ;-) posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 17:48:21:

...also bought a REM 223, 22LR cartridge adapters and contemplating legal silencer ownership & manufacturing.
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Msg. 276218  Posted by Greg J. on August 16, 2000 at 23:01:57:

In Reply to: ok, please tell me the PROS+CONS between the P1/P2/P3... posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 22:45:34:

Oops,
I like the Crosman Premier Lite domes or wadcutters.
So long, G.J.
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Msg. 276217  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 22:58:59:

In Reply to: OK, I,ve got a parallax prob, so now what ? (nt) posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 21:30:02:

You really don't have to go all the way to a Trophy for a 9 ft/lbs airgun. Try the Bushnell Sportview 3x9x32.... Bushnell number 79-0039. It has AO and should be quite serviceable. In the states- they can be purchased from Natchez Shooters Supply for around $60US. Don't tell them it's going on an airgun. RB
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Msg. 276216  Posted by Greg J. on August 16, 2000 at 22:57:01:

In Reply to: ok, please tell me the PROS+CONS between the P1/P2/P3... posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 22:45:34:

Steve,
My 16 yr. old daughter can cock the P-3 and she isn't big or strong- just wiry. She hasn't tried the P-1 yet, but that didn't seem too hard to me. P-1 has some recoil to get used to when shooting on high power (600 fps).
Good luck, G.J.
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Msg. 276215  Posted by vZc® on August 16, 2000 at 22:56:01:

In Reply to: No problem really with helping the Russians, they don't want anyones help anyway, right? ;-) posted by Unc on August 16, 2000 at 21:44:16:

slick Willy said: " if you want live like a Republican, then vote Democratic "
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Msg. 276214  Posted by chasm on August 16, 2000 at 22:55:30:

In Reply to: Thanks guys but... posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 22:45:53:

Chris,

Like a lot of mechanical things, more weight usually indicates higher quality construction IMHO (I expect that I may get some contrary opinions here). If weight is your primary criteria, then I suggest that you consider a SuperSport if springers are your thing. If not, there are many PCPs that are are light and quite easy to shoot. HTH

chasm
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Msg. 276213  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 16, 2000 at 22:55:27:

In Reply to: Re: Nothing on 'net. Who sells Micro brand rear sights?nt posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 22:47:03:



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Msg. 276212  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 22:47:03:

In Reply to: Nothing on 'net. Who sells Micro brand rear sights?nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 16, 2000 at 22:02:14:

Most large stores that cater to shooters should carry them. Many online mail order places SHOULD have them, such as Natchez Shooters Supply, Champion Shooters Supply, Midsouth, and possibly even Cabela's. RB
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Msg. 276211  Posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 22:45:53:

In Reply to: Is there an underlever airgun that's as nice as a R7? posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 21:42:21:

the guns mentioned (TX200, HW77 & HW99) are a couple lbs heavier than the R7. I would like a light spring gun. Is this out of the question
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Msg. 276210  Posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 22:45:34:

I think i decided on some pretty good models(yeah, i know same brand+pricey)
So tell me what you know or think between the 3 Air Pistols, i been researching and got plenty of help here on the Forum(thanks guys!!)
i think those rodents should be getting pretty scared now=^)
BTW, how hard is it to cock the P1-3??
and whats a good Strong and Accurate pellet??
thanks guys for all your help
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Msg. 276209  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 22:42:37:

In Reply to: Eley Wasp Domes posted by Andrew on August 16, 2000 at 22:15:06:

Andrew: in some guns, they are excellent. They can give the lower powered guns some additional velocity, and I've found them quite accurate and well made. The .177 Wasps fit very nicely in many airguns and the .22 Wasps in 5.6mm work well in .22's with slightly large bores and work well in some 5.5mm bores too. RB
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Msg. 276208  Posted by Patrick on August 16, 2000 at 22:42:20:

Hi! I am in dire need of schematics for the Daisy Model 25 Pump BB Gun. I took apart the parts around the trigger to clean them and I can't get them back in right! This sounds pathetic, but I really need a diagram to get them back in. Can anybody help me out?
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Msg. 276207  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 16, 2000 at 22:35:20:

In Reply to: Is there an underlever airgun that's as nice as a R7? posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 21:42:21:

The HW97/77 is a great gun.
I just got a HW97 a few weeks ago, and it is one very nice shooting gun.

Chris
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how much STRONGER is the P1 compared to the P3??


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Msg. 276206  Posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 22:30:06:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman P1 Magnum posted by James D. on August 16, 2000 at 19:18:01:

any other places cheaper than $300???
whats a good STRONG+Accurate Pellet(for rodent hunting)??
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Msg. 276205  Posted by Driskill on August 16, 2000 at 22:27:52:

In Reply to: rimfire and airguns posted by AirMonkey on August 16, 2000 at 17:27:12:


Point well taken!

No airgun infatuation can really be called logical, and I should have emphasized in my post that the opinion expressed was strictly my own.

I understand the appeal of Careers and their ilk, and certainly think nothing ill of their adherents. They may not appeal to me, but lust for them is no more illogical than my own affection for pricey 600 fps HW 55's (I have two, and it's near relative the HW 50 to boot)!
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Msg. 276204  Posted by Torsten on August 16, 2000 at 22:23:43:

In Reply to: OK, I,ve got a parallax prob, so now what ? (nt) posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 21:30:02:

I would recommend the Bushnell Trophy 4-12x40 (73-4124).
It's about cdn$250...

Take care,
Torsten
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How about windage???


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Msg. 276203  Posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 22:18:52:

In Reply to: Re: " HUGH " posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:52:01:

U.Gary

First of all thanks. I feel a little better.

What about windage?? If I recall, that worked the way I am used to. Whe I moved it in the direction of the left arrow the POI moved to the left. Is that right? That works the same as a scope, right?

Gary
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Msg. 276202  Posted by chasm on August 16, 2000 at 22:18:13:

In Reply to: Owners of more than one gun how do ya.......... posted by Tom B on August 16, 2000 at 20:03:41:

Tom,

I use the same random approach that Russ and others use in selecting the "Airgun of the Evening" for exercise ( I think I once, on this forum, likened this practice to having multiple mistresses to choose from). However, I've found that, like supermarket shelf space, proximity counts. My goal is to have all of my air rifles, 50+/- equally accessible. Not there yet. How do some of our serious airgunners keep that really worthy air gun from getting buried? I'll appreciate any advice I get from those more experienced. TIA

chasm
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Msg. 276201  Posted by Andrew on August 16, 2000 at 22:15:06:

Anybody shooting the Eley Wasp Domes in 177cal,,how do they perform in lower powered guns and pistols, accuracy, are the pellets well made, are they small in size ie. do they fit well in the gun or sort of drop down the barrel?? TIA
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Msg. 276200  Posted by CJ on August 16, 2000 at 22:14:50:

In Reply to: Is there an underlever airgun that's as nice as a R7? posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 21:42:21:

Yup the HW77 is it in a nut shell.BUT it'll cost ya more about 1/3 to 1/2 more.


Lob'n lead
CJ
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Wonderfully written treatise on the history of gun controls.


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Msg. 276199  Posted by Russ Best on August 16, 2000 at 22:10:29:

While skipping thru some UK sites, I ran across this long but superbly written article. Ck. it out. RB

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Msg. 276198  Posted by Josh P. on August 16, 2000 at 22:09:26:

In Reply to: Re: Tasco Red Dot " backwards " posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:35:05:


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Msg. 276197  Posted by cvarcher on August 16, 2000 at 22:08:56:

In Reply to: Re: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 17:57:25:

Hey guys Im from Long Island too (unfortunately)--Old Bethpage.Love pumpers.
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Msg. 276196  Posted by chasm on August 16, 2000 at 22:03:19:

In Reply to: Is there an underlever airgun that's as nice as a R7? posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 21:42:21:

Chris,

I agree with Unc. My HW77K will shoot as smoothly as my R7 with a little more poop and accuracy. R7's are nice shooters, but the HW is more air rifle. MHO

chasm
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Msg. 276195  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 16, 2000 at 22:02:14:

In Reply to: Re: Source for micrometer rear sight for air pistol posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 19:20:25:



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Msg. 276194  Posted by Derrin on August 16, 2000 at 21:59:41:

In Reply to: Re: Is there an underlever airgun that's as nice as a R7? posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:48:28:

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Msg. 276193  Posted by bcd on August 16, 2000 at 21:54:38:

In Reply to: Well maybe posted by Swinson on August 16, 2000 at 12:54:15:


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Msg. 276192  Posted by jimk on August 16, 2000 at 21:53:09:

In Reply to: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by Tom on August 16, 2000 at 08:03:06:

I do not believe Williamson is doing anything with airguns. I exchanged emails with the guy (sorry can't remember his name) that ran the matches and his last email was that the club had no interest so he was not going to run matches anymore. I would be nice to have something [local].
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Msg. 276191  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:52:01:

In Reply to: "HUGH " posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:45:21:

Sure, that's what I was trying to say. UP means the point of aim goes up, which therefore lowers the point of impact of the pellet on the target. Note that this is the opposite of how a scope elevation adjustment works. On a scope, "UP" means the point of impact will be raised. Not to worry, you're just fine on this. Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 276190  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 16, 2000 at 21:49:37:

In Reply to: Hallelujah! posted by Driskill on August 16, 2000 at 12:23:33:

in rimfires. A fine gun like yours can be had for maybe $125. The pcp craze reminds me of the beaver problem. In the past a beaver pelt was worth $50, you had to wait until winter for the fur to become prime but a trapper would get rid of your beaver problem for FREE. Now the state banned trapping, it now costs a homeowner $900 for a animal control specialist to catch beaver in a live trap and then shoot them with a .22. Many local govts. banned firearms discharge and now people are going the $1000 pcp route in response.
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Msg. 276189  Posted by bonge on August 16, 2000 at 21:49:18:

In Reply to: Tech Force gums at Compasseco posted by Jason on August 16, 2000 at 21:02:24:

ive had several jap guns , DONT WASTE YOUR TIME YOU WILL REGRET IT buy a bsa or a beemnan end of story
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Msg. 276188  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:48:28:

In Reply to: Is there an underlever airgun that's as nice as a R7? posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 21:42:21:

Sure Chris, it's the HW-77, or it's English counterpart, the Air Arms TX-200! Either will delight you I'm sure. Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276187  Posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:45:21:

In Reply to: Re: Tasco Red Dot " backwards " posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:35:05:

Uncle Gary,

Ok this it what I did.

I took a shot the pellet hit low. I turned the adjustment in the direction of the arrow that said "UP". I shot again and the pellet hit even lower. I then turned the adjustment in the other direction, "down" opposit of the up arrow, and the pellet hit higher. Does this make sence?

I'm not tryin to be "smart" I'm trying to learn somethin here.

Gary
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Msg. 276186  Posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:45:11:

In Reply to: Re: Tasco Red Dot " backwards " posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:35:05:

Uncle Gary,

Ok this it what I did.

I took a shot the pellet hit low. I turned the adjustment in the direction of the arrow that said "UP". I shot again and the pellet hit even lower. I then turned the adjustment in the other direction, "down" opposit of the up arrow, and the pellet hit higher. Does this make sence?

I'm not tryin to be "smart" I'm trying to learn somethin here.

Gary
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Msg. 276185  Posted by Unc on August 16, 2000 at 21:44:16:

In Reply to: Re: Oh quit it Jeff! Now you're starting to sound like vZc! ;-) posted by AirMonkey on August 16, 2000 at 18:06:52:

Besides, our country has been led by a Communist administration for the past 8 years anyway, right? [GRIN!] So what's the difference, Heh-Heh?
Komrad Krazy

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Msg. 276184  Posted by Best $$ - I shopped on August 16, 2000 at 21:43:50:

In Reply to: Who has the cheapest price on a Simmons Pro Air Scope posted by Troy Bates on August 16, 2000 at 18:20:10:

nt

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Msg. 276182  Posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 21:42:21:

If I get an underlever I'd like it to be as
smooth as sweetness. Quiet, accurate, easy cocking and nice trigger.
Thanks

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Msg. 276181  Posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 21:40:45:

In Reply to: Re: Re-zeroing every day ?... posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 21:17:18:

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Msg. 276179  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:35:05:

In Reply to: Tasco Red Dot "backwards " posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:21:18:

I believe this is the way it's supposed to work, I've had quite a bit of experience with all the red dot sights. The correct procedure to sight in is as follows: Take a shot at the target, using the bull as the aimpoint. Note where the shot strikes in relation to the point of aim (the bull). Now, holding the gun steady on the bull, adjust the red dot until it is exactly on the point at which the shot struck the target. That's it, you're correctly sighted in now! What the manufacturer means by "UP" is that the point of aim goes up, NOT the point of impact. This is also true of most laser sights, by the way. HTH!
Unc

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Msg. 276178  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 21:34:49:

In Reply to: Winchester Model 353 posted by Art on August 16, 2000 at 21:31:02:

Art: RWS in NJ has 'em and they are made from a better material now. The seal is cheap ( I think it was $6 last year), so don't sweat it. Call Tim Challenger at RWS in Closter, NJ. RB
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Msg. 276177  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 16, 2000 at 21:33:16:

In Reply to: INFO ON MINNEAPOLIS FT MATCH, 8/26??? posted by Brian Wheater on August 16, 2000 at 15:05:26:

It's comming up real soon. Here is a url for you.

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Msg. 276176  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 21:32:26:

In Reply to: Re: Glad to see PSI is presenting a more realistic muzzle velocity for the Superstar (and Supersport) posted by AC on August 15, 2000 at 22:42:32:

AC: that 950 is even a tad conservative, as I've seen 'em nudge 965 with with Silver Bears or Eley Wasps. The 950 is pretty fair though, because not every single gun will shoot identical velocities. RB
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Msg. 276175  Posted by Art on August 16, 2000 at 21:31:02:

Bought this airgun over 20 years ago when I was a teenager and now I'd like to get it working again for my son. I know that the piston cup/seal has disintegrated. From internet research, I have come to find out that it is probably an RWS that's kin to the 5G. Does anyone know the dimensions and composition of the piston cup? Can I buy one from a "seal house" and not have to pay the high price at an "airgun house"? Just wondering.
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Msg. 276174  Posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 21:30:02:

In Reply to: Parallax??? posted by Torsten on August 16, 2000 at 19:34:23:

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Msg. 276172  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:27:46:

In Reply to: leather for spring rifle main seals posted by John St;udt on August 16, 2000 at 18:48:45:

Good suggestions; I might only add that industrial maintenance supply stores often carry small sheets of compressed leather gasket and belt material, and I've found that this makes superb leather piston seals, often outperforming and outlasting the original leather seals. Cheap too! Cheers!
Unc


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Msg. 276171  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 21:27:29:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Supersport in .177 velocities posted by Wade on August 16, 2000 at 20:15:44:

Wade: yes- I does Beesa tunin'; 'course with yours shooting at 888 and all, it wouldn't get a whole lot faster, but it will be smoother. Gas rams are also a viable alternative in BSA's. They shoot pretty nice in these guns. RB
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Msg. 276170  Posted by Chris on August 16, 2000 at 21:26:31:

In Reply to: Owners of more than one gun how do ya.......... posted by Tom B on August 16, 2000 at 20:03:41:

R7 .177 for the backyard plinking
R6 .177 for breaktime at work
BSA SS .22 Hunting (when I get the chance)
Webley Vulcan III Carbine? I don't know yet. I got it 'cause it looked so cool but now I wish I hadn't got it. But we'll see what Dave Slade can do for it. Gas Ram and Trigger job.
The rest are helping me gather dust.
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Msg. 276169  Posted by Mike Landreth on August 16, 2000 at 21:25:41:

In Reply to: Re: That's not a fair question... posted by BSJ on August 16, 2000 at 21:02:40:

I like the feel of the Falcons better.
No spring vibrations on mine?
Mike
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Msg. 276168  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 21:23:43:

In Reply to: Tasco Red Dot " backwards " posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:21:18:

Gary: sounds just like some high dollar german peep sights- they use a bass-ackwards approach too! RB
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Msg. 276167  Posted by Simon Slick on August 16, 2000 at 21:22:18:

In Reply to: Maybe you are thinking of the old SSP 250 posted by MomT on August 15, 2000 at 10:21:11:

But at least it did have groves for a scope. SSlick
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Msg. 276166  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:22:16:

In Reply to: "Which one is the 669MTA? " posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 19:36:41:

Peter, in my honest opinion, the Swift 669MTA is superior in all the important respects to the Simmons 1048T. My important respects, I mean optical sharpness and clarity, accuracy of rangefinding, preciseness of focus. I also found the black matte anodizing on the Swift to be harder and more scratch resistant than the Simmons. Not that the Simmons 1048T isn't a good scope, it is! But the Swift is a better one, no question about that. Some tiny nitpicky things that would make the 669MTA better: perhaps a rubber eyepiece cup like the Simmons, and a sunshade that was the same diameter as the objective bell, but note that these are personal preferences of mine, not really problems. Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276165  Posted by BSJ on August 16, 2000 at 21:21:23:

In Reply to: No Time, can't elaborate. MKI LD 1# NT posted by BSJ on August 16, 2000 at 21:20:15:


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Msg. 276164  Posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 21:21:18:

Just got my P3 and a Tasco Red Dot off the UPS truck today. Already put about 150 rounds through it. Sighted it in with the "iron" sights" first then put the Tasco Mini Mag. on it. My first POS shoot gave me a 15. Anyway on the elevation dial on the Tasco when I turn it in the UP direction the POI goes down. The thing is backwards. Anyone else have this problem with the Mini Mag? Other than that she shoots great. I am concerned it that is backwards what else got past the "inspectors".

Gary
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Msg. 276163  Posted by BSJ on August 16, 2000 at 21:20:15:

In Reply to: Big question for everyone posted by John Habanero on August 16, 2000 at 21:16:56:


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Msg. 276162  Posted by AC on August 16, 2000 at 21:19:19:

In Reply to: Breaking in an R-7 posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 19:56:10:

I got my son an R7 in June. We haven't done anything special to break it in, so I'd be curious to know what others say about that. On the pellets, I got an ultimate pellet sampler (33 types) and a Chrony from Straight Shooters. The best pellet we've found (combo of velocity and accuracy) of the 25 we've tested so far in our R7 was the H&N Match wadcutters (8.09 gr). They avg 630 fps with good accuracy (ragged hole at 20 yards w/ bench rest and scope). My son was able to shoot a soda cans at 50 yards without having to aim too high above the cans. Virtually all of the various types of pellets we tested were slower than those velocities at the Straight Shooters website. And I was very disappointed in the Crosman Premiere lites. They were really tight when inserting them in the gun and they flew all over the target. Based on what I'd read, I figured they would have been ideal in the R7. Just goes to prove what the guys say about trying various pellets in your gun to see what works best. Have fun with it!
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Msg. 276161  Posted by chasm on August 16, 2000 at 21:17:49:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Supersport in .177 velocities posted by Wade on August 16, 2000 at 20:15:44:

Wade,

Don't be too concerned. I'm heading in the same direction toward alzheimer\GOP nirvana myself. Think of it this way, you get "new" air rifles without having to buy them. HTH

chasm

P.S. Didn't we already elect George Bush president a while back. cm
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Msg. 276160  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 21:17:18:

In Reply to: Re: Re-zeroing every day ?... posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 19:14:35:

Albert: nope- 50 yard parallax correction does NOT mean it's OK at 10 yards. It's OK for 50 yards AND BEYOND- which is no good for real good accuracy with short range airguns. I'll bet a good deal of your problem is due to parallax error! RB
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Msg. 276159  Posted by John Habanero on August 16, 2000 at 21:16:56:

I would like to hear everyone brag about or cut down the pistols they have or have used. CO2, pump and spring.
Remember many people (including myself) do not have the money nor the time to check out all airguns out there.
I told you this was a big question, but chances are, not that many people will want to take the time to respond to this.
Let us hear your stories.

Thank you for any input.

John Habanero

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Msg. 276158  Posted by BSJ on August 16, 2000 at 21:16:00:

In Reply to: Re: Every airgun has it's place posted by wved on August 16, 2000 at 20:36:00:

I think VT may be even more "back woods" than WV. The first question is usually "will it kill a deer"? If it ain't got antlers or wings it don't get hunted.

Kinda sucks for a guy who grew up hunting SQ's in Southeast Texas. There aren't enough hardwood "nut" trees around. All pines up high and maples down low. There are SQ's around, but not thick like in the south.

I lived in GA too.


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Msg. 276157  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 21:12:08:

In Reply to: Wisco 55-N Air Rifle posted by Denis Hershman on August 16, 2000 at 21:04:55:

Denis: good airgun. Make sure you treat it to a little silicone chamber lube every 500 to 1000 shots to keep the velocity up.
Wischo was actually a marketing company, that sold sporting goods in europe and abroad. The guns were actually made by BSF (Bayern Sportwaffen Fabrik) and distributed by Wischo, so your gun is actually a BSF-55N. These guns produced moderate to good power and were suitable for some small game and target shooting. I currentlly own two BSF's-- an S70 and an S80, both of which were descended from the -55. Weihrauch bought the BSF factory after BSF stopped production in the early '80's. Tune kits and springs are still available from Jim Maccari in Elkton MD>. RB
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Msg. 276156  Posted by Denis Hershman on August 16, 2000 at 21:07:03:

In Reply to: Wisco 55-N Air Rifle posted by Denis Hershman on August 16, 2000 at 21:04:55:

I posted the wrong email address for myself.

The correct address is denh97@aol.com.
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Msg. 276155  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 21:05:12:

In Reply to: What is " dry firing " and why should it not be done?......nt posted by Steve T on August 16, 2000 at 20:10:33:

Dry firing a springer means cocking and shooting with no pellet in the gun. Amateurs often do this to 'hear the power' (load of BS!). Without the initial resistance of the pellet in the breech, the piston slams the seal into the end of the compression chamber. This sudden and violent stop isn't healthy for the seal or the spring, and can result in internal damage. If it happens once or twice, it shouldn't be a biggy, but if it's done often enough with magnum springers, damage will occur. I tested a gun to destruction that wasn't even a true magnum class springer, but somewhere after the 60th shot, the spring bought the farm. RB
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Msg. 276154  Posted by Denis Hershman on August 16, 2000 at 21:04:55:

I have a Wisco 55-N air rifle that I've had for around 30 years.

I was wondering if anyone out there knows anything about the history of this gun. It's a very nice piece and works great.
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Msg. 276153  Posted by Tom B on August 16, 2000 at 21:02:48:

In Reply to: Re: Owners of more than one gun how do ya.......... posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 20:50:45:

Russ thats what ive been doing but I seem to be picking up the R-1 ..........but I love my PE!!!
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Msg. 276152  Posted by BSJ on August 16, 2000 at 21:02:40:

In Reply to: That's not a fair question... posted by Wade on August 16, 2000 at 20:28:31:

The hammer spring vibrates after the shot, on all three of the Falcons I've fired. Have you also found this to be true and does the Daystate do the same?
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Msg. 276151  Posted by Keith on August 16, 2000 at 21:02:25:

Has anyone out there done mods to their FX2000?
If so what have you done? Thanks in advance
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Msg. 276150  Posted by Jason on August 16, 2000 at 21:02:24:

I was looking at the Chinese Tech Force guns at Compasseco, and I've heard good and bad things about them. Does anyone know anything on these guns, specifically the model 99 and 97? Information on any of the tech force guns is welcome. Especially info on accuracy and durability, and quality of the guns. Thank you.
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Msg. 276149  Posted by JonF. on August 16, 2000 at 21:01:31:

In Reply to: Benjamin rebuild kits posted by john belmonte on August 16, 2000 at 20:35:48:

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Msg. 276148  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 20:59:04:

In Reply to: Re: what to use to clean barrel posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 20:31:24:

Better yet, get a Crownsaver from Mac-1. Under $10 and very effective, or a Patchworm from Marty at Silver Streak Sports. If you don't have any white gunpatches, try some old worn out flannel or cotton t shirt material cut into 1" to 1 1/4" squares. Shooting some Q Tips thru is a quickie way for .177's, but not as totally effective. Soak the front bud on each Q tip, and leave the back one dry. Finish up with an all dry one. RB
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Msg. 276147  Posted by Greg S on August 16, 2000 at 20:55:19:

In Reply to: Re: Air or rifle scope which is better for an airrifle? posted by Roland Martens on August 16, 2000 at 19:36:30:

Thanks for all of your feedback.
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Msg. 276146  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 20:54:31:

In Reply to: Winchester Mod 425 posted by G Little on August 16, 2000 at 19:58:20:

These were imported in the(mid to late?) 60's by Winchester, and manufactured by Diana (Mayer & Grammelspacher). Current parts are available thru RWS in the US. Yours should be the equivalent of the Diana 25, which was a very basic adult break barrel rifle of somewhat moderate power. RB
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Msg. 276145  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 20:50:45:

In Reply to: Owners of more than one gun how do ya.......... posted by Tom B on August 16, 2000 at 20:03:41:

Tom: some days, it's a tough decision. I've gone the rotation route, but I often just grab one that strikes my fancy at the time. RB
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Msg. 276144  Posted by darmtn on August 16, 2000 at 20:50:09:

Did anyone ever order one of these - the AK47 look alike.
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Msg. 276143  Posted by Jim R on August 16, 2000 at 20:41:04:

In Reply to: Re: .22 Remington posted by RBest on August 15, 2000 at 23:27:30:

Russ,

Buy the 10-22. Great gun out of the box, and when you get itchy for more there are off-the-shelf upgrades galore, and then there are the custom shops. Would you beleive a $3000 10-22?

Jim R
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Msg. 276142  Posted by Mike G on August 16, 2000 at 20:40:50:

In Reply to: That's not a fair question... posted by Wade on August 16, 2000 at 20:28:31:

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Msg. 276141  Posted by Jim R on August 16, 2000 at 20:38:30:

In Reply to: Re: .22 Remington posted by RBest on August 15, 2000 at 23:09:41:

Most accurate they ever made?

Have the 'forgotten' the 40X rimfire?

Jim R
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Msg. 276140  Posted by wved on August 16, 2000 at 20:36:00:

In Reply to: Re: Every airgun has it's place posted by BSJ on August 15, 2000 at 21:48:00:

Another good place is at the huntin ground. Last sq season my brother left the woods with a limit of 5 and met another gunner returning to his truck (empty handed). He said to my brother," nice bunch of sqs ya got, what ya shootin. He said a Beeman R9 airgun. The surprised answer was "WHAT A BB GUN"?? Henry was able to show him his "huntin rig" and let the guy shoot his gun. That guy got out a piece of paper, asked how much, where to order, etc. and was thououghly impressed.
Regards, wved
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Msg. 276139  Posted by john belmonte on August 16, 2000 at 20:35:48:

have friend with older benjamin .20 cal pneumatic. need a source for rebuild kits.
anyone with any insight would
be widely admired.

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Msg. 276138  Posted by PeteC on August 16, 2000 at 20:32:50:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman P1 Magnum posted by Mike on August 16, 2000 at 17:30:47:

The price is $289.00. I just got mine there 2 weeks ago.
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Msg. 276137  Posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 20:31:24:

In Reply to: Re: what to use to clean barrel posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:57:36:

what kind of material should i use for the patches? how should i attach the material to the string? or do you suggest i get a cleaning kit from beeman or rws?
thanks
steve

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Msg. 276135  Posted by Wade on August 16, 2000 at 20:28:31:

In Reply to: Which is the better rifle? Huntsman or FN19 nt posted by Mike G on August 16, 2000 at 20:09:43:

...too many variables. Out of the box (sporting the
same type stock, etc., there is nearly no advantage
in capable accuracy, trigger adjustment or number of
"usuable" shots. The Huntsman is heavier and has a
little more air capacity due to it's larger diameter
reservoir and is better suited for the installation
of a regulator. Daystate has a better presence in the
US and you may find parts and warranty service more
available. I own several Falcons and LOVE them, but
I have to say the same about Daystate!
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Msg. 276134  Posted by ProfHoff on August 16, 2000 at 20:23:02:

In Reply to: Re: seems my new toy is delayed posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:35:58:

... Russ. I was just wondering. I ordered a JW80 on Mar 2 of this year. Now I'm suffering envy and practicing patience.

Regards,

Richard
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Msg. 276133  Posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 20:20:35:

In Reply to: You will shoot your eye out! posted by Pepi (IN) on August 16, 2000 at 20:04:53:

It's true! My cousin's grandfather has a glass eye because of a BB gun incident as a child.
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Msg. 276132  Posted by BCall on August 16, 2000 at 20:19:55:

In Reply to: Re: The Heretic Speaks........ and now a word from Hetetic #2! posted by HG on August 16, 2000 at 16:20:33:

Superb ammo! Cut our standard group sizes in half! A bit pricey, but if you're doing any serious competition, it is well worth it! Bill
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Msg. 276131  Posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 20:18:19:

In Reply to: Need pistol suggestions... posted by Steve T on August 16, 2000 at 20:08:40:

Gamo P-23, Walther PPK/S, Crosman 1008, there's tons of good choices.

-john
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Msg. 276130  Posted by Wade on August 16, 2000 at 20:15:44:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Supersport in .177 velocities posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:27:57:

I went and chronoed it and sure nuf, it was shootin'
888 with CP lites. I haven't shot the gun in a long
time and alzheimered on what it was a shootin'?
I should have one tuned I reckon - errr, are you into
doin' that sorta thing? I got a good candidate. It
DOES come from a GOP home!
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Msg. 276129  Posted by Steve T on August 16, 2000 at 20:10:33:

In Reply to: Pellet weights for springer posted by Fred on August 16, 2000 at 17:45:10:

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Msg. 276128  Posted by Mike G on August 16, 2000 at 20:09:43:

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Msg. 276127  Posted by Steve T on August 16, 2000 at 20:08:40:

I want a CO2 pistol, under $120 canadian. 400-495 fps, semi-auto, pref. synthetic grips, .177 or .22, Available in Canada. Any ideas?
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Msg. 276126  Posted by Pepi (IN) on August 16, 2000 at 20:04:53:

It really surprises me to read how these young men are using their airguns for things there NOT designed for! I see where they are filling the barrels up with BBs and cotton? There shooting BB in pellet guns. I just pray none of them get hurt.. Any gun.. air or no air can be very dangerous when restricting the barrel.

Pepi
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Msg. 276125  Posted by Tom B on August 16, 2000 at 20:03:41:

find the time to shoot them all .......
I just shot my newist (R-1 in 22 cal acuglided) and it dawned on me that I havent shot my oldist in some time ......so tell me how do you keep up
with them all
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Msg. 276124  Posted by Don R. on August 16, 2000 at 20:03:28:

In Reply to: leather for spring rifle main seals posted by John St;udt on August 16, 2000 at 18:48:45:

John, I've used scraps from the belt-maker at the local flea mkt, 1/8" plus thk, made cup washers out of this using a home-made die set to form the leather after water soaking. Easiest plan is to find good thick leather cup washers at your old-style hardware store, turn to size and cut to length.
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Msg. 276123  Posted by G Little on August 16, 2000 at 19:58:20:

I have a 22 cal Winchester mod 425 in excellent condition. I'am trying to learn any history behind the rifle and value. Thanks
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Msg. 276122  Posted by GF on August 16, 2000 at 19:58:18:

In Reply to: Re: Broken TX200 Mk 4 ( Did you by any chance fool aroung with the trigger adjustments???) posted by William on August 14, 2000 at 20:14:16:

When I first purchased this rifle I made some ninor adjustments. That was over a year ago. Don't think it is merely out of adjustment.
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Msg. 276120  Posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 19:56:10:

I'm going to get an R-7 in a week or two (my first springer), and was wondering what the proper cleaning/breaking in procedure is. I was thinking about cleaning the barrel with a beeman zip-clean kit and de-greaser, running patches through until dry, and then run a wet patch with MP-5 oil, and more dry patches. does this sound alright? Also, I know you should fire about 500-1000 pellets before zeroing the gun and testing it with different pellets. Are there any particular pellets I should use? should they have a lot of lead residue like premiers, or should they be really clean, like H&N finale's?

Thank you in advance for your help,
john
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Msg. 276119  Posted by Jody Fite on August 16, 2000 at 19:48:22:

Just ordered pcp gun. Now got to decide how to fill it. Have friend with scuba compressor but wanted to know about pumps for backup. Any help
appreciated.
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Msg. 276118  Posted by Don on August 16, 2000 at 19:47:41:

Norma site; has a free balistic program, and I would need this info. Thanks
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Msg. 276117  Posted by Alan in GA on August 16, 2000 at 19:47:29:

x
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$429 in Canada


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Msg. 276115  Posted by TCooper on August 16, 2000 at 19:46:40:

In Reply to: Beeman P1 Magnum posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 16:43:04:

Fearon lives in Canada.
The exchange rate is 50% so $429 is a good price.
HTH,
Todd
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Msg. 276113  Posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 19:36:41:

In Reply to: Re: Unc, I know we're crazy... but am I blind or what??!? posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 19:17:41:

The 6-18x44.
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Re: Air or rifle scope which is better for an airrifle?


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Msg. 276112  Posted by Roland Martens on August 16, 2000 at 19:36:30:

In Reply to: Re: Air or rifle scope which is better for an airrifle? posted by AirMonkey on August 16, 2000 at 17:34:20:

Most regular riflescopes don't focus closer than 50 Yds or even 100 Yds. Will you really aim to a blurry target at 30 Yds? Think twice. It's not just about toughness!

Roland Martens
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Msg. 276111  Posted by Torsten on August 16, 2000 at 19:34:23:

In Reply to: Re: Not normal... posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 17:00:23:

It's quite possible that it's the scope. I have
to admit that I was a little concerned about the
quality of the cheap bushnell - especially once
I took a good look at it. The optics were quite
poor compared the Bushnell Trophy mounted on my
Diana 54...

...while I'm thinking...Parallax might be your problem.
Many non-AO scopes are only parallax free at 50yards+.
I actually spent a long time at LeBaron's a while back
trying to find a non-AO scope that was parallax free at
shorter distances - I had no success.

To test for parallax:

- fix the scope so that it remains pointed at a target.
- without moving the scope, move your head side-to-side
while looking through the scope.
If the location of the crosshair moves with respect to the
target, you have a parallax problem.
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Re: Springer and rain


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Msg. 276110  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 19:22:24:

In Reply to: Springer and rain posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 19:19:30:

Rain can always do damage if you don't tear the gun down for a thorough cleaning afterwards. At the very least- remove the stock, then wipe down and oil all metal parts exposed. RB
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Re: Source for micrometer rear sight for air pistol


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Msg. 276109  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 19:20:25:

In Reply to: Source for micrometer rear sight for air pistol posted by Lloyd S. on August 16, 2000 at 19:08:27:

Lloyd: I don't know if you could adapt a Micro® brand rear sight- it probably needs a transverse dovetail for mounting. RB
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Springer and rain


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Msg. 276108  Posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 19:19:30:

Hello !

I've got another question : can you shoot a break-barrel outside when it's raining ? I mean, my springer is rather old, and I'm wondering if rain could be damageable if it can get into the bore/action/scope/other thingies ?

Thanks !
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Re: Beeman P1 Magnum


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Msg. 276107  Posted by James D. on August 16, 2000 at 19:18:01:

In Reply to: Beeman P1 Magnum posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 16:43:04:

I paid around $300/w S&H from Holst Specialties.

It is powerfull, though accuracy will come with practice. If you want accuracy I would suggest the Beeman P3, 1/3 the cost!
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Re: Unc, I know we're crazy... but am I blind or what??!?


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Msg. 276106  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 19:17:41:

In Reply to: Unc, I know we're crazy... but am I blind or what??!? posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 19:05:34:

Peter: I currently have the 676M and the larger 6x18x50 Swift (forgot the number) and a 1048 Simmons, plus a host of other scopes. Comparing both my Swifts to the Simmons reveals optics that are the very least equal to the Simmons, if not a bit better. The 676M rangefinds at least as well as the 1048 and the Big Swift rangefinds superbly to 50 yards (within one yard of true physical measurements). Which one is the 669MTA? RB
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Msg. 276105  Posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 19:14:35:

In Reply to: Re: Re-zeroing every day ?... posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:23:19:

Hi Russ !

Well, the thingie you turn is just in front of the ocular piece (so we can say it is pretty close to your eye).

I see what kind of scope you are talking about, and I don't think mine's like that.

Although it is written on the box that the parallac is ok to 50 yards... should be ok then at 10meters ?

Also, parallax don't give 5" to the left shot (at 10 m.) errors, am I right?

Thanks a lot for your help..

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Msg. 276104  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 16, 2000 at 19:08:27:

Looking for source for micrometer open rear sight to mount on air pistol, prefer steel. Can modify or make mount to attach.
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Msg. 276103  Posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 19:05:34:

Don't ask me why... I could tell ya, but then I'd have -- you can guess where this would lead.

I know you have extended firsthand experience with both the M1048 and the 669MTA, so there's a few questions. I've only seen an M1048 for two days, and I know that the 669MTA had to grow on me, so I am prepared to leave room for doubt.

Someone mentioned to me in a private email (and yes, that does indeed imply that I'm not going to disclose it) that the 669MTA was inferior to the M1048 in terms of rangefinding, and that in terms of quality, in general "the 1048 wins hands down". This was not my impression after having seen a 1048 for a few days. In fact, after doing some thinking, it has me baffled.

So I'd like to ask you to come to my rescue and tell me how the two compare, since you have both, and thus might be able to shed some more light.

I would like to stress that, if you would take the trouble of answering this, you refrain from taking factors like customer service into the equation -- I think I know a bit about that part of the comparison. I'm just interested in a technical evaluation per se.

thanks,
peter
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Re: You forgot fast food restaurants..... a cash cow!


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Msg. 276102  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 19:04:42:

In Reply to: Re: You forgot fast food restaurants..... posted by docwells on August 16, 2000 at 11:55:44:

Doc: I know two people who have sued fast food restaurants for serving coffee that was too hot ! They won the cases- a few thousand $$ each!!! What idiots! (or maybe not..?) Coffee must be brewed at 190 degrees, so fresh coffee will burn your lips because it's damn near boiling. You'd have to be a total fool to slug down black coffee straight from a steaming pot, without allowing it to cool for a bit. But, knowing these people as I do, it was probably a calculated and deliberate move to win some money. RB
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Re: Shucks! (nt)


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Msg. 276101  Posted by dscott on August 16, 2000 at 19:01:02:

In Reply to: Nope! (nt) posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 18:54:45:


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Re: what to use to clean barrel


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Msg. 276100  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:57:36:

In Reply to: what to use to clean barrel posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 18:54:43:

Pull the patch from the breech to the muzzle. Here are some cleaners that work really well:
Fantastik
409
Simple Green
Goo Gone
Always pull a couple dry patches through after the cleaning. RB
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Nope! (nt)


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Msg. 276099  Posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 18:54:45:

In Reply to: 2 Hands Allowed in 10 Meter Pistol? (nt) posted by dscott on August 16, 2000 at 18:22:54:


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Msg. 276098  Posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 18:54:43:

I have an RWS 34 and I think its about due to have its barrel cleaned, and i've never cleaned a barrel before..What can I use at home as a cleaning patch? does it matter which way i pull the patch through the barrel? any techniques you would recommend? any help would be appreciated
Steve
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Re: leather for spring rifle main seals


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Msg. 276097  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:54:07:

In Reply to: leather for spring rifle main seals posted by John St;udt on August 16, 2000 at 18:48:45:

John: I've found that old cowhide belts work fairly well. You'll need a gasket punch set though to make the leather 'donut'. Some of these seals have an angle to them (usually a little thinner at the bottom, so a razor blade mat be needed to 'skive' the leather washer so that is sticks out evenly when finally in place(and soaked with silicone oil). RB
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Re: Daisy 2003 Closeout


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Msg. 276096  Posted by ben on August 16, 2000 at 18:53:35:

In Reply to: Daisy 2003 Closeout posted by Scott S on August 16, 2000 at 15:38:28:

Hey, it's cheap. Who cares? Buy it!

As an aside, I got married on Old Airport Beach back in '97. Man I love the Big Island...lotsa varmints to practice on. :)


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I've done it sereval times before while hunting mice with my old Crosman 2100(before it broke)and never once got hit by a BBand it killed them with no problem@3 pumps so I'm sure 5 or 6 would kill a rat.(nt)


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Msg. 276095  Posted by Josh P. on August 16, 2000 at 18:51:22:

In Reply to: Don't go there. posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 16:10:36:


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Ready to order need a little nudge


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Msg. 276094  Posted by Mike G on August 16, 2000 at 18:51:20:

I'm ready to order but I can't deciede which one a new daystate Huntsman with deluxe walnut stock in .177
Or an Falcon fn19 rifle slightly used in beech also .177, a bsa super 10 is almost out only because of the looks
next purchase will be a tank gun. need help please! scuba tank will be here tonight!
Mike
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Msg. 276093  Posted by ben on August 16, 2000 at 18:49:24:

In Reply to: Who has the cheapest price on a Simmons Pro Air Scope posted by Troy Bates on August 16, 2000 at 18:20:10:

usually Natchez
http://www.natchezss.com/
ask for a sale catalog...Proairs go on sale frequently.

Look at the Swifts that Marty carries...nice scopes & worth the little extra money.
http://www.silverstreaksports.com/

I've got several ProAirs, BTW.
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Msg. 276092  Posted by John St;udt on August 16, 2000 at 18:48:45:

Is there a particular sort of leather to be used for main seal replacement in older spring rifles with leather seals? Is a certain thickness necessary?
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Anics A-3000


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Msg. 276091  Posted by Tim on August 16, 2000 at 18:46:50:

I need some help in buying something. Yes, an Anics A-3000. Who here can tell me a good price for it. I mean like someone is offering it to me for $45. I say to myself, "It seems like a good deal." So what do you say?
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Re: seems my new toy is delayed


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Msg. 276090  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:35:58:

In Reply to: Re: seems my new toy is delayed posted by ProfHoff on August 16, 2000 at 09:26:21:

Prof: I think he ordered it a year ago last May ! RB
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Re: Scope mounts


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Msg. 276089  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:32:28:

In Reply to: Scope mounts posted by Jose on August 16, 2000 at 18:27:42:

The Contender's are kind of 'iffy' quality-wise. Hope you got a good one ! Try some Beeman 5030 M mounts or some BKL mounts. Both are quite good. RB
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Re: BANG SNAPS as Target practice


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Msg. 276088  Posted by Tim M. on August 16, 2000 at 18:31:58:

In Reply to: Re: BANG SNAPS as Target practice posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 16, 2000 at 11:42:31:

Always be sure the opposite end of the primer has open space to shoot the gas created upon firing! I learned the hard way, when I put some into a thick board, only partially drilled through. No puncture, but at ten yards it, raised a welt and made me change targets immediately. Good luck and good shooting. Tim M.
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Re: BSA Supersport in .177 velocities


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Msg. 276087  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:27:57:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Supersport in .177 posted by Wade on August 16, 2000 at 12:58:07:

Wade: yours is shooting slow! Typically, the SS's I get in for tunes shoot 7.9 cps at 880, and they usually shoot at 905 after the tune. Box stock SS's should shoot Silver Bears and Eley Wasps at around 960 fps. RWS Hobbies might touch 1000 fps! Regards, Russ
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Msg. 276086  Posted by Jose on August 16, 2000 at 18:27:42:

Hello,

I finaly went and bought a scope for my Marksman mod 70. A BSA Contender 4x16x40. Now I hope this is a good beginner scope. Which type of scope mount should I use? Anybody in Silver Spring Md that could give me instruction on using it?
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Re: Re-zeroing every day ?...


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Msg. 276085  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:23:19:

In Reply to: Re-zeroing every day ?... posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 15:45:35:

Albert: does your scope have an adjustable objective lens on the front? If not, you may be experiencing parallax error. RB
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2 Hands Allowed in 10 Meter Pistol? (nt)


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Msg. 276084  Posted by dscott on August 16, 2000 at 18:22:54:


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Msg. 276083  Posted by Troy Bates on August 16, 2000 at 18:20:10:

Thank You for your help guys.
Troy
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Great Idea. I'm in. We need someone organized. It's not me!! nt


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Msg. 276082  Posted by Ray Pyke in Camillus on August 16, 2000 at 18:19:32:

In Reply to: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by Tom on August 16, 2000 at 08:03:06:

nt
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Re: Pellet weights for springer


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Msg. 276081  Posted by RBest on August 16, 2000 at 18:17:57:

In Reply to: Pellet weights for springer posted by Fred on August 16, 2000 at 17:45:10:

Fred: somewhere on this main page is a post I put up concerning min/max pellets weights for most 'magnum' springers (does not apply to ALL springers). RB
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I am in camillus. nt


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Msg. 276080  Posted by Ray Pyke on August 16, 2000 at 18:17:19:

In Reply to: Re: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by SWAT955 on August 16, 2000 at 14:59:51:

nt
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Re: Oh quit it Jeff! Now you're starting to sound like vZc! ;-)


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Msg. 276079  Posted by AirMonkey on August 16, 2000 at 18:06:52:

In Reply to: Oh quit it Jeff! Now you're starting to sound like vZc! ;-) posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 17:48:21:

I'm not a defector but I think there will be some defectors, posthumous or otherwise, if we end up helping the Russians.

regards,

Comrad AirMonkey
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IHMSA allows either meters or yards...


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Msg. 276078  Posted by scot on August 16, 2000 at 18:03:21:

In Reply to: Re: Air Pistol Silhouette Distances... Which are correct? posted by aaron gassman on August 15, 2000 at 23:37:52:

...in smallbore, meters only in fullbore. Dunno about airguns, they aren't listed in that set of rules. I think rifles can use meters or yards in both, but I could be wrong.


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Re: 9mm career barel


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Msg. 276077  Posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 18:01:21:

In Reply to: Re: 9mm career barel posted by Mike Reames on August 16, 2000 at 16:59:53:


Mike,

Yes I know it isn`t that easy but i give it a try..
I`am looking for a barel off .630" or less..
Do you have info where to buy ?
I`am from the Netherlands and i don`t think they sell them overhere.

Thank you for the info

Marco
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This darned FT stuff must be making me crazy too...!


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Msg. 276076  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 17:59:16:

In Reply to: Re: Unbridled Curiosity ... posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 10:09:07:

I find myself agreeing with you on this! Not for general airgun shooting, but yes, for FT! Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276075  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 16, 2000 at 17:58:50:

In Reply to: Benjamin Question " blue streak " posted by Matt Sudol on August 16, 2000 at 12:59:50:

If cost really is your major consideration then, if you think about it, the cost of shipping the gun is pretty minor compared to the cost of attempting a DIY speed tune. Remember that you only need to send the action, not the stock, when getting a tune. Shipping cost should be less than $10.
DT Fletcher
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Msg. 276074  Posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 17:57:25:

In Reply to: Re: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by Neil on August 16, 2000 at 11:54:14:

south shore of Suffolk county, right on the bay. (Sayville) we are right in the middle of the county. I mainly shoot in my basement or in my uncle's yard. (3 acres).
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Msg. 276073  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 17:56:38:

In Reply to: Re: Unbridled Curiosity ... posted by Mike Pearson on August 16, 2000 at 09:48:51:

My shooting partner at the Oak Ridge FT match was Jim Geddes, otherwise know here on the forum as Jim G; guess what HE used??? A .22 cal. SM1000 with a PEEP SIGHT! I'm not kidding! Talk about breaking all the rules! Not only that, he did very well with it! I'm certainly NOT recommending this for everyone, but in the hands of a fine shot, it can be done! Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 276072  Posted by Tom on August 16, 2000 at 17:51:57:

In Reply to: Re: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by Steve Miller on August 16, 2000 at 16:20:54:

Steve I would love to take you up on that. It is a small world I lived in Sodus for 14 yrs before moving back to Greece NY. Now that I am in the burbs it is harder to shoot and to think that when I was in sodus you could shoot anywhere, unfortuately I wasn't into airgunning at that time. What kind of guns do you have? We could have some fun trading off. I have a B21,B18,PPk/s, Walther 99,Gamo Compact & BSA 240. Tom
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Msg. 276071  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 17:48:21:

In Reply to: rimfire and airguns posted by AirMonkey on August 16, 2000 at 17:27:12:

[GRIN!] Sorry, the devil made me do it! Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276070  Posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 17:45:53:

In Reply to: Air or rifle scope which is better for an airrifle? posted by Greg S on August 16, 2000 at 17:10:52:

Nothing will destroy a good rifle scope quicker than a spring piston air-rifle. Don't ask me how I know.

-john
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Great HG, I think you'll love it.


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Msg. 276069  Posted by Unc on August 16, 2000 at 17:45:44:

In Reply to: Re: The Heretic Speaks........ and now a word from Hetetic #2! posted by HG on August 16, 2000 at 16:20:33:

Not cheap at about $5.00/box by the brick, but superb ammunition. Regards,
Unc

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Why is that?!


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Msg. 276068  Posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 17:45:43:

On the airgun classfied ads http://www.airguns.net/class_ad.html there is no spring guns on there that people post for sale. Why is that?
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Msg. 276067  Posted by Fred on August 16, 2000 at 17:45:10:

I have seen posts that suggest "too heavy" pellets may damage or affect spring life. It is also common knowledge to not dry fire a springer. The prohibition against dry firing suggests that there needs to be some mass for the spring/piston to resist. My question is this, Is there a minimum pellet weight for a springer. Since most pellets that can be purchased in .177 are around 8 grains and .22 are around 15 grains, is there really a concern. I have a Gamo 220 (please no Gamo bashing, I already own the gun so I want to live with it.)
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Msg. 276066  Posted by Steve T on August 16, 2000 at 17:43:48:

nt
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Msg. 276065  Posted by Tir on August 16, 2000 at 17:43:21:

I've read it's advisable to keep one or two pumps of air in a Sheridan or Crosman pump pneumatic rifle to preserve the pressure on the seals - does this apply to a pump pneumatic pistol like the HB series as well? Max pumps (recommended on mine - HB .20) is eight - would two pumps on it before putting it away help or harm?

Thanks,
Tim


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Msg. 276064  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 17:42:59:

In Reply to: .22 Remington posted by matt sudol on August 15, 2000 at 21:56:26:

Don't try it unless you want a faceful of brass splinters! Per the accuracy of the 597, I've heard different things from different owners; some say it's accurate and fun to shoot, others can't get rid of them fast enough! And of course accuracy is a subjective thing in .22 semiautos anyway. Most .22 RF semiauto rifles have poor triggers that limit their accuracy. I have a little $90 Savage Model 62 that's a tack driver and a lot of fun to shoot, but it had only fair accuracy until I reworked the trigger on it. Note that this is NOT for the beginner!; lightening the trigger pull on a semiauto .22 too much can cause it to slam-fire in a "full auto" mode. Leave it to a gunsmith if not fully qualified! Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276063  Posted by MIke Reames on August 16, 2000 at 17:39:16:

In Reply to: whats a SWEET Air PISTOL?? posted by Steve... on August 15, 2000 at 01:33:01:

If you are looking for a nice piece, try the Falcon Raptor Pistol, 8 shot repeater, bolt action, walnut stocked, 24 shots per fill at around 12 ft lbs.(22 cal) Big bucks, by the time you get it scoped,it's easy to put a grand into one. I haven't seen any pics of them on the net, I bought mine at the Baldwinsville show this year........ Mike
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Msg. 276062  Posted by Sammy on August 16, 2000 at 17:37:31:

In Reply to: Air or rifle scope which is better for an airrifle? posted by Greg S on August 16, 2000 at 17:10:52:

It is best to use scopes specifically designed for airguns on spring type airguns because of their recoil.

However on my CO2 guns I use cheaper .22 rifle scopes as they do not have the recoil that spring guns do so they don't destroy scopes.

I don't own any PCP guns but I believe PCP guns are the same as CO2, no recoil so any scope will do. I am sure one of the PCP guys here will correct me if I am wrong.

Good luck.
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Msg. 276061  Posted by AirMonkey on August 16, 2000 at 17:34:20:

In Reply to: Air or rifle scope which is better for an airrifle? posted by Greg S on August 16, 2000 at 17:10:52:

If you have a recoiless (sometimes called pneumatic), or nearly recoiless airgun, you can use an airgun scope OR a firearm scope.

If you have a "spring gun" that generates bi-directional recoil you can only use a scope designed specifically for bi-directional recoil producing (spring) airguns.

Plainly said: If you pump your gun you can use any scope. If you compress a spring in your gun you need an airgun scope.

good luck,

AirMonkey
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Msg. 276060  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 17:32:47:

In Reply to: What The Heck Are These Things? - Pics - posted by MR Bulk™ on August 15, 2000 at 18:24:35:

Always right out there on "the cutting edge", aren't you Charlie? [GRIN!] Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276059  Posted by Mike on August 16, 2000 at 17:30:47:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman P1 Magnum posted by Don on August 16, 2000 at 17:18:39:

Go to Pomona's "Price List" page and it says $289. Go to their "Handguns" page and it says $309 for the P1.
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Msg. 276058  Posted by Alan on August 16, 2000 at 17:28:43:

Does anyone know where I can get a drop in regulator and a valve spring kit for the 707 in the UK ?
Thanks for your help,

Alan Marshal
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Msg. 276057  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 17:28:01:

In Reply to: Re: Mounts??? posted by James Kitching on August 16, 2000 at 02:37:57:

Right on James, I love that mount too, think BKL calls it the "cantilever" one piece, also the two-piece BKL mounts are very solid and a good price too at $18.75 per set. Great mounts at a great price! Cheers!

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Msg. 276056  Posted by AirMonkey on August 16, 2000 at 17:27:12:

In Reply to: Hallelujah! posted by Driskill on August 16, 2000 at 12:23:33:

The high end of the airgun spectrum is characterized by relatively high cost to low performance ratio.

The low end of the .22 caliber rimfire spectrum is characterized by a relatively low cost to high performance ratio.

The answer to the question: "Why do Monster Korean Boomers and high end airguns exist?" cannot be reached through logic.
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Msg. 276055  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 17:23:45:

In Reply to: Dûh. Try shooting a rimfire at the FT Worlds. posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 09:58:07:

Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276054  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 17:21:09:

In Reply to: I'm ALIVE AGAIN..... server is up posted by CJ on August 16, 2000 at 13:28:50:

;-) A famous person once said that, but darned if I can remember WHO? Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 276053  Posted by Don on August 16, 2000 at 17:18:39:

In Reply to: Beeman P1 Magnum posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 16:43:04:

P-1 Sells for $289.00 at Pomona.

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Msg. 276052  Posted by Greg S on August 16, 2000 at 17:13:24:

Can't decide
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Msg. 276051  Posted by Greg S on August 16, 2000 at 17:10:52:

I was told airrifle scope are made a certain way,braces at the front of the inside of the scope.fixed or variable adjustment?

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Msg. 276048  Posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 17:04:25:

In Reply to: Re: Re-zeroing every day ?... posted by RGunn on August 16, 2000 at 16:15:58:

Yeah, my scope is a 30$ Bushnell S-view... Yeah, I remember I had to un-screw it and advance it on the rail yesterday (since the rear mount was about to leave the rail)... Perhaps this caused the 40+ clicks re-zeroing... But in any case, I often re-zero it, even if I don't mess with my scope... for 5-10 clicks only, though.

Do you have any suggestion for good mounts ? That I could use after with other scopes that i would buy ? My scope is 3/4" I think...

And my rifle isn't really new, it has been made in the 70's...

Thanks a lot !


Al
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Msg. 276047  Posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 17:00:35:

In Reply to: Re: Sheridian air shotgun? posted by Cody Dotter on August 16, 2000 at 16:48:07:

Seems to work even better when you take gamo domed pellets stuff 10 down backwards and top it off with cotton to save on weight of stuff in there. I got a nice pattern 1/4" c-t-c obliterating the ram on the POS target you couldn't see it anymore it was torn up at 10 yards. This works better than the 8# shot and penetrates a half a bar of soap at 10 yards now multiple hits takes on a whole new meaning. I would like to christian this gun as the "CRITTERNATOR" kills any critter smaller than 6 pounds inside 20 yards as from the penetration I am guessing about 500 fps and about 5 fpe per pellet. But it is all mutiple hits.
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Msg. 276046  Posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 17:00:23:

In Reply to: Not normal... posted by Torsten on August 16, 2000 at 16:34:17:

Yeah, I know your scope... mine is supposedly the one just above (in quality), the 3-7... But variable scopes aren't as strong as fixed-power ones...

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Msg. 276045  Posted by Mike Reames on August 16, 2000 at 16:59:53:

In Reply to: 9mm career barel posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 16:38:08:

It could be tough to make a 9MM fit. I rebarrelled my Stealth with a .32 barrel, and had to make a new bolt/breech cover, barrel spacers, hammer, sear, heavier spring and a valve cap adapter to fit on the face of the bottle. Depending brand, a 9MM barrel could go as large as .750". My 32 barrel was a little over .500" even after I turned it down. Good luck, Mike
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Msg. 276044  Posted by catdog on August 16, 2000 at 16:55:42:

In Reply to: Daisy 400GX--Good or bad? posted by A roehm on August 16, 2000 at 15:16:29:

I have both and i must say i like the 400gx better because the trigger on the 93 is very stiff,the double action moves the barrel and loads the bb during the pull and is very hard.But Greg and doug are right about the 400,when the co2 is low it wont cycle by it self but then again your not getting the full power shots anyway so just shoot out the remaining air and put in another.I use them for action shooting not 10m as neither of these guns are very accurate they both have smooth bore barrels and even though the 400 is longer it doesnt seem to be any better.Hope this helps.
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Msg. 276043  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 16, 2000 at 16:49:46:

In Reply to: What Next? posted by BK on August 15, 2000 at 22:55:36:

Since you own the gun your best bet is to make it work for you as best it can. Beeman admits it is not the most accurate gun they sell. I would throw in the towel and see if Russ Best could possibly depower it slightly and tune it to be smoother shooting. The gun is very powerful in stock form and this can contribute to inaccuracy. Even if you lose 10-15% of the power with a spring change or gas ram there is still plenty of power. There is another issue that may be a problem and that is the barrel. Lots of things can be wrong with a barrel, oversize breech, damaged rifling, no choke, bad crown. A good airgunsmith may be worth the expense.
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Msg. 276042  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 16, 2000 at 16:48:07:

In Reply to: Re: Sheridian air shotgun? posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 15:34:08:

Try this. Put some lead bb's down the barrel. Then get a pellet and put it down the barrel. Use a wooden dowel to push the pellet down the barrel. And there's a shotgun thingy. Have fun. <:-@
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Msg. 276041  Posted by Tom L. on August 16, 2000 at 16:47:10:

In Reply to: Beeman P1 Magnum posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 16:43:04:


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Msg. 276040  Posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 16:43:04:

Whats the going price for this awesome gun$400??(am i right Fearon?)
and where the Best deal i can get for it ONLINE, how does it compare to the P2/P3(Accuracy+POWER!!)
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Msg. 276039  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 16:41:00:

In Reply to: Daisy 2003 Closeout posted by Scott S on August 16, 2000 at 15:38:28:

Unc

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Msg. 276038  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 16, 2000 at 16:39:11:

In Reply to: Don't go there. posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 16:10:36:

I can hit a soda can at 20 yards with shotgun spray. But hardly any power and the bb's bounce back. I almost got hit by a bb. I don't recomend trying the shotgun thingy. But that's just my opion. Nobody ever listens to me. Accept some people. <:-@
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Msg. 276037  Posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 16:38:08:


Hello,

Where can i buy a 9mm career barel ?
I`m going to try to modificate the talon to 9mm i also change the valve of it or rebuild the valve..
Also interested in stronger springs to put the valve open...
Can someone tell me what diameter {outside} the 9mm career barel is ?

Thanks

Marco
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Msg. 276036  Posted by Howard on August 16, 2000 at 16:36:24:

In Reply to: Daisy 2003 Closeout posted by Scott S on August 16, 2000 at 15:38:28:


Buy them all! Not the greatest pistol, not the worst but there's some awesome potential in the semi-auto action of these guns. Do-it-yourselfers may realize this someday and will seek them out. Are these unsold stock that have been in the store all this time or are they cleaning their warehouse? Kauai K-Mart hasn't had them for 2 years! Serious, for $12 I'd buy every one they've got.
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Msg. 276035  Posted by Greg S on August 16, 2000 at 16:34:41:

In Reply to: Can i please get some expert opinion on which type of air rifle scope to purchase posted by Greg S on August 15, 2000 at 23:17:26:

Is air rifle scopes made different then say 22 scopes because of some of the recoils of pellet guns.
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Msg. 276034  Posted by Torsten on August 16, 2000 at 16:34:17:

In Reply to: Re-zeroing every day ?... posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 15:45:35:

Albert,

This is not normal, something must be loose, or the
scope is bad. Check all screws, and the scope mounts.

My daily keep-me-in-shape gun, a Slavia 631, almost
never needs re-zeroing while shooting at 25yards. This
scope is a REAL cheap Bushnell 4x15 (about cdn$14),
with the cheapest crap-metal mounts known to mankind...

Keep yer stick on the ice!
Torsten in Kanada
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Msg. 276033  Posted by steve on August 16, 2000 at 16:31:29:

In Reply to: Steve, if you want accuracy and power from an airpistol..... posted by Fearon Steele on August 16, 2000 at 06:27:09:

thanks for your help...
BTW, i have the old Crossman CO2 pistols, forgot he Model#, it's common
please answer these Q's..
1)what and where can i get a Tominator
2)know any good online sites to BUY air pistols
3)whats the HARDEST and Accurate Pellet(for rodent hunting)
4)do you know which Pistol has the highest FPS(power), NOT using CO2
5)which Makers pistols is better:Benjamin/Seridan or Beeman
thanks for all your help from a Newbie=^)
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Msg. 276032  Posted by Greg S on August 16, 2000 at 16:30:09:

In Reply to: Daisy 400GX--Good or bad? posted by A roehm on August 16, 2000 at 15:16:29:

Ive had both,the 400gx has the blowback slide I think,the fad wears off after awhile.I think the co2 gets used up more whith that one.
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Msg. 276031  Posted by TK on August 16, 2000 at 16:29:13:

In Reply to: Daisy 2003 Closeout posted by Scott S on August 16, 2000 at 15:38:28:

Buy one. Any airgun for $12 is a good deal.
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Msg. 276030  Posted by RGunn on August 16, 2000 at 16:27:12:

In Reply to: BSA Supersport in .177 posted by Jason on August 16, 2000 at 12:26:57:

Jason, from my own testing, the SS will approach 1000fps with the very lightest pellets. However, those very light pellets will not be the best choice for your rifle. Like Wade, my SS shoots CP lights (7.9 gr) at 865fps.

Check out the link below and browse through all the various post. You will find much info. regarding the SS.

Oh yea, the factory unaltered trigger can only be adjusted to a pull weight of about 2-1/4 pounds pull weight.

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Msg. 276029  Posted by Steve Miller on August 16, 2000 at 16:20:54:

In Reply to: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by Tom on August 16, 2000 at 08:03:06:

Tom
I live in Williamson N.Y. Our club used to have an air gun shoot on saturdays. It has been a long time since i have been to the club because of my job, and the expense of shooting skeet three times a week.
Anyway, try calling the Williamson gun club to see if they are still shooting airguns. If they are, I will take a day off and meet you there and try my hand at Field Target with you.
They also have a web site so you could E-MAIL them.
Steve


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Msg. 276028  Posted by HG on August 16, 2000 at 16:20:33:

In Reply to: Re: The Heretic Speaks........ and now a word from Hetetic #2! posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 01:07:13:

The Federal Gold Medal Match has been reccomended and I plan to try it out.
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Msg. 276026  Posted by RGunn on August 16, 2000 at 16:15:58:

In Reply to: Re-zeroing every day ?... posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 15:45:35:

Albert, check the action (stock) screws. When a spring airgun is new it takes some time for the action (spring tube) to seat itself in the stock. You will have to retighten the stock screws several times before everything settles down.

The same thing may be true with your scope mounts. In fact, depending what mounts you are using, you may not be able to keep them from moving. If you are using some basic aluminum mounts that often come with lower priced scopes, you should discard them and purchase some good mounts designed for spring airgun use.
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Msg. 276025  Posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 16:14:47:

In Reply to: I just did it!!! Read on posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 15:32:19:

I doubt that you have enough penetration to kill a rat at more than about 5-10 ft.
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Msg. 276024  Posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 16:10:36:

In Reply to: Smoothbore BB gun that I can use " shotgun style " for rats? posted by Josh P. on August 16, 2000 at 15:58:52:

This topic comes up often. It won't work effectivly. Bad accuracy, not enough power to kill rats, and a real danger of ricochets. If you can't take a well aimed shot with a single pellet, don't shoot.
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Msg. 276023  Posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 16:09:08:

In Reply to: Re: Re-zeroing every day ?... posted by TJ on August 16, 2000 at 15:57:16:



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Msg. 276022  Posted by Harold on August 16, 2000 at 16:05:58:

In Reply to: R1 New Scope posted by John S on August 16, 2000 at 15:57:32:

I have a Bushnell Trophy 4x12 on my R1 that I really like.
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Msg. 276021  Posted by jon on August 16, 2000 at 16:04:21:

In Reply to: PEEP SIGHT? posted by LUCKIE7 on August 16, 2000 at 15:31:10:

I believe the peep you are referring to is the Williams 5D. You can get them at Golden Toller for $22.00. The rifle is already pre-drilled for the sight so it installs in a matter of a couple minutes.

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Msg. 276020  Posted by Johnny on August 16, 2000 at 16:03:10:

Do the newer versions of this gun have the same design as the older Daisy Powerline 856 Eagle? The look the same but do they perform the same? If not what's the difference?

Also, what effect does overpumping/ keeping pumped for long periods have on this gun(pneumatic)? Could it cause loss of pressure when pumped? Is there any way to modify an older gun to add power? Thanks for any help.
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Msg. 276019  Posted by Josh P. on August 16, 2000 at 15:58:52:

Hey everybody,

Whats a cheap smoothbore gun that I can use 3 or 4 BB's at a time to hunt rats with,using a pellet gun to "sniper" them is fun,but I'm under circumstances that I have to shoot quickly,so I want to have more than one projectile.

Thanks-Josh P.
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Msg. 276018  Posted by John S on August 16, 2000 at 15:57:32:

I now have a Beeman 4X scope on my Beeman R1 (springer).

I would like at least 12X scope (vari=ok).

What scope/scopes will will stay together on this rifle?

Thanks.


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Msg. 276017  Posted by TJ on August 16, 2000 at 15:57:16:

In Reply to: Re-zeroing every day ?... posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 15:45:35:

What Kind of air gun?
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Msg. 276016  Posted by Douglas on August 16, 2000 at 15:57:02:

In Reply to: How to determine the 'best' pellet for my gun? (QB-88) posted by Dan D in MA on August 16, 2000 at 13:06:54:

Yes the "best" pellets for your gun may be indeed relative to the distance you are shooting at. Some pellets group really well at close ranges but are miserable for long range work. Normally most pellets work well up to 10yards then you start seeing a shift in your groups. Knowing this may allow you to keep using pellets that otherwise would be rejected as being not "good" for your gun.



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Msg. 276015  Posted by Tony J Skyler on August 16, 2000 at 15:56:55:

In Reply to: Re: Any results from the DIFTA shoot???? - not yet posted by Tom Gaylord on August 16, 2000 at 13:52:41:

Thanks Tom,
Don't let it happen again.
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Msg. 276014  Posted by James McAllister on August 16, 2000 at 15:55:42:

Can the target rear sight of the Tech Force target rifle be used on an QB-22 rifle? Any comments, pro and con about the QB-1 CO2 rifle. Thanks all James.
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Msg. 276013  Posted by Albert on August 16, 2000 at 15:45:35:

Hello !

I have a question that may have happened to a lot of newbies like me :

is it normal to find your airgun un-zeroed every day ? Ok, you need a few shots of warm up, but today, I went in the field and found 30 minutes later that my zero my 40 clicks right and 20 clicks up. What's the prob ? Is it my scope ? A Bushnell 3-7x20mm, that works pretty fine... Ah yes, I zero at 10 meters... But I'm always sure I'm at 10 meters !

Thanks a lot for your help !

Al
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Msg. 276012  Posted by Scott S on August 16, 2000 at 15:38:28:

Greetings to all,
The Kmart in Kailua-Kona, Hi. has the Daisy 2003 CO2 35 shot semi-auto pistol on sale for a close out price for only $12.00. These are all NIB. As I said in an earlier post I am new to airgunning & was wondering....should I buy one of these? I realize they are low end entry level pistol but at this price I was thinking I should get one if only for the fun factor! Please advise...
Regards,
Scott S.
PS Many thanks for your advice concerning my last post regarding semi-auto rifles. I have decided to acquire crosman 400.
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Msg. 276011  Posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 15:34:08:

In Reply to: Sheridian air shotgun? posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 14:54:57:

Matt,
I was down that road many years ago. It won't work. The rifling spins the shot and makes most of it fly out into a doughnut pattern. The best that I was able to do was to put 3-5 lead BBs in a paper cartridge like you describe (in my old CR140 .22).
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Msg. 276010  Posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 15:32:19:

In Reply to: Sheridian air shotgun? posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 14:54:57:

I put a little bit of cotton up the bore from the bolt then dumped about 40 #8bb's down there and put a bit of cotton from the top and packed it down there nice and tight with a wooden dowel. Resulting in 15 bb's in a 4X5" area and all 40 in a 10X10 area. Now when I try it on 20 yards I will let you know. Can't wait until I see a rat. Go on try it yourself it works and won't ruin your bore I checked mine and no wear and tear it is perfectly fine.
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Msg. 276009  Posted by LUCKIE7 on August 16, 2000 at 15:31:10:

SOMEONE SUGESTED THAT I GET A PEEP SIGHT FOR MY SHERIDAN C9. ANY RECOMENDATIONS AS TO WHICH SIGHT I NEED AND WHERE I CAN FIND ONE?
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Msg. 276008  Posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 15:28:27:

In Reply to: Daisy 400GX--Good or bad? posted by A roehm on August 16, 2000 at 15:16:29:

I have the older Daisy 400 (black), and although the blowback slide is kind of cool at first, it has its drawbacke.
he trigger is kind of heavy and long (double action all the time), and the slide stops cycling long before you run out of gas. his means that when the gas gets a little low, you have to cycle the slide manually for each shot. If I were to go down this road again, I would get one of the simpler, cheaper pistols (lower cost, same trigger, same velocity, higher capacity, and you can shoot till you run out of gas).
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Msg. 276007  Posted by Josh P. on August 16, 2000 at 15:27:56:

In Reply to: Cheap scope for Crosman 2289 posted by Felix on August 16, 2000 at 15:03:19:

You'll have to buy the clamp on Crosman B272 4 piece scope base,and one of the Gamo IR AO scopes would probably work good on it.

HTH-Josh P.
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Msg. 276006  Posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 15:22:19:

In Reply to: summer vacation getting alittle long there eh matt?nt posted by SWAT955 on August 16, 2000 at 15:07:05:


adf
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Msg. 276004  Posted by Josh P. on August 16, 2000 at 15:21:58:

In Reply to: Any results from the DIFTA shoot???? posted by Randy from Va on August 16, 2000 at 13:39:05:

I'm from South Eastern VA(on the eastern shore).

Where are you?

Thanks-Josh P.
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Msg. 276003  Posted by A roehm on August 16, 2000 at 15:16:29:

Should I get this gun or a Daisy 93 for high cap bb shooting fun?
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Msg. 276002  Posted by docwells on August 16, 2000 at 15:15:27:

In Reply to: Re: How Good is the BAIKAL IZH-61 posted by docwells on August 16, 2000 at 14:50:01:

This should give you a good bit of info on the IZH-61. Good site in general.
HTH
docwells

http://olympia.fortunecity.com/kickbox/377/index.htm

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Msg. 276001  Posted by docwells on August 16, 2000 at 15:14:35:

In Reply to: Re: How Good is the BAIKAL IZH-61 posted by docwells on August 16, 2000 at 14:50:01:

This should give you a good bit of info on the IZH-61. Good site in general.
HTH
docwells

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Msg. 276000  Posted by SWAT955 on August 16, 2000 at 15:07:05:

In Reply to: Sheridian air shotgun? posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 14:54:57:



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Msg. 275998  Posted by Brian Wheater on August 16, 2000 at 15:05:26:

Please send info, incl Eaddies, websites, etc on the World and Nat FT match in Minn, MN 8/26-27. No promises, but if time and budget permit after wild summer, might drag my beat-up, but trusty R9 up there to shoot for S&G's.
TIA Brian
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Msg. 275997  Posted by Felix on August 16, 2000 at 15:03:19:

Anybody have a suggestion for a cheap scope that will
work with a Crosman 2289?
Where would it mount?

Thanks.
Felix
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Msg. 275996  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 16, 2000 at 15:02:22:

In Reply to: Re: Steve, if you want accuracy and power from an airpistol..... posted by bing on August 16, 2000 at 12:24:38:

nt
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Msg. 275995  Posted by SWAT955 on August 16, 2000 at 14:59:51:

In Reply to: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by Tom on August 16, 2000 at 08:03:06:

hey tom,

i am afriad i am in the same boat as matt; i am 16 but have plenty of land. Just to let you know i am from syracuse


thanks

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Msg. 275994  Posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 14:54:57:

I just spent about an hour trying to make an airgun become a shotgun with my sheridian. I tried putting a bit of cotton up the barrel loading it like a pellet then dumping about 25 #8 shot down there and seeling it off with another bit of cotton I only got one bb to hit a 4X6" paper at 10 yards. Then I tried to make a little cartrige by wrapping paper around a nail that is about .177 size and putting about 20 #8 down there and pushing it in the top of the gun and seeling it off no bb's in the paper. I tried the later method and just twising the paper at the end , nothing. I then tried it again and cutting the paper like a plastic shotgun shot caseing nothing again. I want a little gun like this just for like rats at 15 20 tops yards. Has anyone ever tried this? It is just lead so it won't mess the rifleing up so ?
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Msg. 275993  Posted by docwells on August 16, 2000 at 14:50:01:

In Reply to: How Good is the BAIKAL IZH-61 posted by Tyler on August 15, 2000 at 13:37:55:

If you search around the Golden Toller sight, you will find a muzzle break/weight that is sized to fit the 61. I just bought one from Joe last week and it should get here today or tomorrow. He informed me that you can mount the 853 rear peep site which is more precise for adjustments than the factory sights. I bought it as a starter for 10m target shooting, but if and when I make the move to a higher end target rifle, I'm thinking of putting a red dot (holosight) sight and the muzzle weight on the end. There is a picture of this set-up on the fun-supply site under gun reviews. I just don't think that you can go wrong with this one.

HTH,
docwells

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Msg. 275992  Posted by FPoole on August 16, 2000 at 14:33:59:

In Reply to: Re: TX 200 breechseal question ? posted by RBest on August 15, 2000 at 18:16:15:

O-ring is good, and since then I have checked it cocked and I can't feel it seat. I then checked it after firing and I can feel it seat when cocking lever is one inch from detent ball. I am assuming the air pressure when fired presses it into place? Thanks for the help.

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Msg. 275991  Posted by Omer on August 16, 2000 at 14:32:59:

In Reply to: Pellet Lube. posted by James McAllister on August 16, 2000 at 09:45:33:

No i dont think so tht lubing is nesessary for a CO2 gun. The tech reason for lubing a PCP rifle is tht the compressed air is composed of many gases like nitrogen oxygen and some other gases prsent in the environment thats why it contains a little bit of moisture so it may rust the barrel.

While Co2 is pure it will not rust the barrel.

Ne way ask few more persons ........ may b they know better..

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Msg. 275990  Posted by Sammy on August 16, 2000 at 14:07:21:

Trying to find the lightest Airgun rated scope of any magnification. Lightest I have found so far is one of the Bushnell 4xs at 11 ounces other than a 2.5x that Gamo makes that I am still trying to find the weight on. No red dot, must have magnification even if it is 2.5x, 4x, single power, multi power, does not matter. Just trying to keep the total weight on a gun that I have ordered to a minimum. And every ounce adds up. No price limit low or high and does not have to be of great quality.
Thanks for your help.

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Msg. 275989  Posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 14:01:00:

In Reply to: Order from Pyramid air ? posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 06:04:30:


Explanation;

Apparently, the Post Office originally quoted us on the phone the shipping price in the amount of $39.12. When the bill came a few days after shipping the charge was $51.17. The weight of the package was greater than I thought.

The only thing i can say is Joshua take more care off your paperwork....

Thanks to the forum !!!

Marco
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Msg. 275988  Posted by Randy from Va on August 16, 2000 at 13:57:54:

In Reply to: Re: Any results from the DIFTA shoot???? - not yet posted by Tom Gaylord on August 16, 2000 at 13:52:41:

Thanks Tom.

Randy
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Msg. 275987  Posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 13:55:54:

In Reply to: Hallelujah! posted by Driskill on August 16, 2000 at 12:23:33:

... is that phrase copyrighted? ;-)
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Msg. 275986  Posted by Tom Gaylord on August 16, 2000 at 13:52:41:

In Reply to: Any results from the DIFTA shoot???? posted by Randy from Va on August 16, 2000 at 13:39:05:

Randy,

We are waiting for Steve Schulz to send them to us. When we get them, they will be posted within a day or so.

Tom Gaylord
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http://www.airgunletter.com

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Msg. 275985  Posted by midnight on August 16, 2000 at 13:46:50:

Anyone know if this gun is available to purchase yet?
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Msg. 275984  Posted by MikeZ on August 16, 2000 at 13:40:49:

In Reply to: Benjamin Question " blue streak " posted by Matt Sudol on August 16, 2000 at 12:59:50:

If you know which area in the rifle to tweak and you have the equipment, you can do it yourself. Since I have a Mac-1 modified Streak, I know where the areas are. His tweak are not magical, but they are very clever. I couldn't have thought of them myself.


Go the the resouce page to find out more about Mac-1.
MikeZ

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Msg. 275983  Posted by Randy from Va on August 16, 2000 at 13:39:05:

I have been on vacation and missed the FTS in Md...
Was looking forward to being there but priorities
rule.. (mom)...
Does anyone have the final scores??

Randy
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Msg. 275982  Posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 13:33:34:

In Reply to: How to determine the 'best' pellet for my gun? (QB-88) posted by Dan D in MA on August 16, 2000 at 13:06:54:

Order a pellet sampler from straight shooters, Beeman, or RWS, shoot of a rest and see which one groups the best. Premiers seem to work well in most guns.

-john
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Msg. 275981  Posted by Tir on August 16, 2000 at 13:33:34:

In Reply to: How to determine the 'best' pellet for my gun? (QB-88) posted by Dan D in MA on August 16, 2000 at 13:06:54:

Sounds like the way I'm doing it....

My experience so far has been that flat or domed pellets, between 7+grs. and 8+grs. work best in mine. some have suggested that pellets approaching or over 10 grs. might shorten spring life in a gun with this power level.

I've had the best performance with the chinese wadcutters and Beeman FTS's - both are 8.6grs.

hth,
Tim
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Msg. 275980  Posted by S. Edwards on August 16, 2000 at 13:33:13:

In Reply to: Anyone know of any airgun distributors in Canada other than guns n things and SIR? (mail order or shipping) posted by s[i]lencer on August 16, 2000 at 00:40:44:

You could try Airguns Canada at:

http://www.AirgunsCanada.com/

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Msg. 275979  Posted by CJ on August 16, 2000 at 13:28:50:

I haven't check my e-mail yet but my ISP is up and said that I lost no E-mails. I will get back to those of you who replied.

CJ
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Msg. 275978  Posted by Zero on August 16, 2000 at 13:28:21:

In Reply to: Zero! Found my 20+ year old sheridan blue worked very well. I will take Tom's advice and fashion more practical harpoons. posted by icon on August 15, 2000 at 16:27:20:

Yes...

Chopsticks work quite well, if you've the time to sand or lathe them down.

Note that my now-very-controversial Nailer is intended to be an air, and not water, projectile. The string on it is only a few inches long to make it fly straight. And yes, the infamous Daisy 121 is a smoothbore gun, so there is no rifling to mangle.

-Zero the Inestimable
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Msg. 275977  Posted by Dan D in MA on August 16, 2000 at 13:06:54:

I'm a newbie (I won't try to hide it :). I've been reading and surfing the various websites here and there, learning about airguns. This forum is wealth of information!

I keep seeing statements like "such-and-such gun likes the Crosmann Premier 7.9's". How does one determine what a particular gun 'likes'?

If I had to take an educated guess, I'd say that you buy an assortment of different pellets. Then you shoot some amount of each of them from the bench, zeroing the scope for each different pellet. Then you look at which pellet gives the tightest group, and that's the 'best' for that setup.

How close am I? :)

But wouldn't the best pellet change depending on lots of variables like range, for instance? Wadcutters tend to be better for shorter distance, and domed better for longer distances. Pointed or hollowpoint are better for hunting.

It's not so simple, is it?

FWIW I've been plinking with RWS Superpoints (8.3gr), Copperhead domed 7.9, Copperhead Supermatch Wadcuters, and Crosmann Premier 10.3's. The only difference I've noticed is that the Premiers seem to be slower, but I haven't done any serious comparisons (yet).

Dan in MA
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Msg. 275976  Posted by Matt Sudol on August 16, 2000 at 12:59:50:

Are there any do it your self speed tunes that you can do on this gun? I would much rather I do it myself than pay shipping and such to send it off but if that is what it comes down to I guess I might have to do that. So is there anything I can do myself?
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Msg. 275975  Posted by Wade on August 16, 2000 at 12:58:07:

In Reply to: BSA Supersport in .177 posted by Jason on August 16, 2000 at 12:26:57:

My SS shoots CP 7.9's at 830 fps - no where near
1000 fps! The are very good rifles for the money
and are very durable. The trigger is adjustable,
but not match grade - neither is the gun.
I wouldn't hesitate as I think it's about the best
buy for the money, in a break bbl .177 air rifle.
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Msg. 275974  Posted by Swinson on August 16, 2000 at 12:54:15:

In Reply to: The Heretic Speaks posted by Happy Gardener on August 15, 2000 at 23:32:27:

Sure there are LOTS of good reasons to buy .22 rimfires but to me they are not mutually exclusive to airguns.
I shoot an airgun in my back yard, no real problems, I shoot a rimfire I go to jail.
I miss with an airgun or it over penetrates a squirrel, not a huge worry. I take a squirrel at 25 yards with an .22LR and I've got all kinds of isses if it pulls a through and through.
You're buddy misses with his in his trailer park he's looking at gobs of over penetration, and to me that's not just stupid that's dangerous.
It's stories like that that antiguns folks feed on.
I got lots of really nice and not so nice .22 rimfires and they are great little guns, but they are for a different use for me then my airguns.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 275973  Posted by matt sudol on August 16, 2000 at 12:43:35:

In Reply to: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by Tom on August 16, 2000 at 08:03:06:

We have a 100 acre plot of land with a house on it and ther is over 500 acres to hunt from on the whole thing. Only problem is I am 15 and you wouldn't want to hang around with kids.
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Msg. 275972  Posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 12:36:02:

In Reply to: Re: Order from Pyramid air ? posted by Barry on August 16, 2000 at 11:29:57:


I did e-mail him twice but so far not a good explanation from him he says it`s for shipping & handeling..

I did tell you because i wanted to know if anyone else had this problem...

Marco
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Msg. 275971  Posted by Douglas on August 16, 2000 at 12:33:02:

In Reply to: What The Heck Are These Things? - Pics - posted by MR Bulk™ on August 15, 2000 at 18:24:35:

gotta be!
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Msg. 275968  Posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 12:29:30:

In Reply to: best is a relative term....... posted by JS on August 16, 2000 at 09:59:48:

I looked on the Dasiy sight and didn't see the 747. Do you know where there is a picture?

Gary
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Msg. 275967  Posted by Driskill on August 16, 2000 at 12:27:06:

In Reply to: Catalogs posted by Jason on August 15, 2000 at 21:14:55:

Spend some time exploring the links to dealers and distributors off this site. Many have catalogs that you can order for free online, e.g. Beeman and RWS.
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Msg. 275966  Posted by Jason on August 16, 2000 at 12:26:57:

I was thinking about buying a Supersport in .177. I wanted to buy a cheaper .177 that I would'nt have to worry about. My question is about the trigger, recoil and does it actually shoot 1000fps. How would it compare to myR-9 in trigger,fps and reciol. Thanks for your info.
Jason
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Msg. 275965  Posted by bing on August 16, 2000 at 12:24:38:

In Reply to: Steve, if you want accuracy and power from an airpistol..... posted by Fearon Steele on August 16, 2000 at 06:27:09:

in simple terms you get what you pay for
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Msg. 275964  Posted by Driskill on August 16, 2000 at 12:23:33:

In Reply to: The Heretic Speaks posted by Happy Gardener on August 15, 2000 at 23:32:27:

I gotta go with you guys on this one. To me, "airgun" means a low-powered arm with a self-contained powerplant. Outside of FT which does take some specialized hardware, the appeal of monster Korean boomers and scuba bottles completely escapes me.

My ancient Remington 521T, firing Remington Subsonics through its 27-inch barrel, is quieter than my Sheridan, let alone a Career. And I can shoot a 3/8 inch group at 25 yards off a sandbag with the peep that came on it.
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Msg. 275963  Posted by bing on August 16, 2000 at 12:20:18:

In Reply to: FX2000 Vs. Carrer 707 ..... !@#$%$@ posted by Omer on August 16, 2000 at 09:49:33:

Scrap both guns and get the Falcon Raptor! It's a much better looking gun than both you sellected. And price wise in the same ballpark as a tricked out 707
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Msg. 275962  Posted by Driskill on August 16, 2000 at 12:12:56:

In Reply to: Any good Airgun stores in Alanta, GA? posted by Mike Fujioka on August 16, 2000 at 02:03:38:

I haven't been in several years so things could have changed, but there was a place called Rick's Firearms in the trendy Buckhead area. It's on a small side street just off Peachtree.

They used to carry a lot of Beeman stuff, with an emphasis on the high-end target hardware. Their high prices and nose-in-air attitude never impressed me much, but they did have a good selection of guns, pellets, and miscellaneous airgun goodies. Lots of nice high-grade firearms and accessories too.
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Msg. 275961  Posted by docwells on August 16, 2000 at 11:55:44:

In Reply to: You forgot fast food restaurants..... posted by Simon Slick on August 16, 2000 at 02:45:48:

Don't know if that's a joke or not, but there are a lot of similarities between the two markets. Both bad for you, both market to youngsters to get them hooked at a young age, cartoons/happy meals targeted at kids...

It's rediculous. There is absolutely no personal responsibility in this country any more! It saddens me because what used to be a pioneering country is now becoming stagnant and boring because the legal climate punishes anyone for anything that has any "potential" danger associated with it. Everyone is looking for that big score (read $$$$).

Oh well, enough ranting. We should enjoy what freedoms we have while we still have them.
AAAAAAAARGH!
docwells

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Msg. 275960  Posted by Neil on August 16, 2000 at 11:54:14:

In Reply to: Re: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 11:19:53:

Where on Long Island are you from? I'm from Long Island also. Where do you go shooting on LI? Is there any good place? I would shoot in my back yard but it's not closed off.
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Amen!


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Msg. 275959  Posted by DougWall on August 16, 2000 at 11:53:51:

In Reply to: The Heretic Speaks posted by Happy Gardener on August 15, 2000 at 23:32:27:

A couple of months ago, I posted about using the right tool for the right job.
I love shooting airguns, but I can duplicate the advantages of airguns with the right .22 ammo choice.
CB longs, out of a 22 inch barrel are almost silent. Higher power ammo is more appropriate for raccoon and woodchuck size game than most airguns (PCP excepted).
I picked up a nice, used, .22 bolt gun for $90. If you want to spend hard earned money for expensive toys, that's fine, but if you're looking for a "tool", then a .22 could be a better choice.
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Msg. 275958  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 16, 2000 at 11:42:31:

In Reply to: BANG SNAPS as Target practice posted by mike on August 16, 2000 at 04:32:55:

I would not use them. Like golf balls they would have a tendency to bounce the pellets back very hard. You could try the caps for capguns. We've done that in puddy in a trap and they work fine with no problems. I've also stolen and idea from others. Take a plastic cutting board, drill holes in it and push shotgun primers into the holes. Put it out about 25 yards and shoot them with your pellet rifle. Makes a very satisfying pop when you hit them.
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Re: Order from Pyramid air ?


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Msg. 275957  Posted by Barry on August 16, 2000 at 11:29:57:

In Reply to: Order from Pyramid air ? posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 06:04:30:

Sounds out of line to me, but the big question is: Why are you telling us and not Pyramid? Seems to me this isn't really a problem until you've brought it to their attention & still have not obtained satisfaction.
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Msg. 275956  Posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 11:19:53:

In Reply to: UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER posted by Tom on August 16, 2000 at 08:03:06:

I'd come, but I live on Long Island :(

-john
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Re: best


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Msg. 275955  Posted by john from NY on August 16, 2000 at 11:18:57:

In Reply to: best posted by charlie on August 16, 2000 at 06:07:31:

The Crosman or the Ben-Sher would be the best.
-john
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Re: FX2000 Vs. Carrer 707 ..... !@#$%$@


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Msg. 275954  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 16, 2000 at 11:18:10:

In Reply to: FX2000 Vs. Carrer 707 ..... !@#$%$@ posted by Omer on August 16, 2000 at 09:49:33:

Omer,

Yes the Career is availible in a thumbhole stock, but it is custom by Dave G. The pictures of the custom stock is at my website (URL below) click the hard to find airguns link in the left menu, and when that page opens click the Dave G custom stock item first on the list.

The Career mag capacity depends on the pellet, as it is spring loaded straight line feed, so the longer or shorter the pellet you can get between 6-8 pellets in the magazine.

Threaded barrels depend on the model of Career you get. The .22 and .25 Carbine and Rifle have the threads. On power the Career is the Top dog, but it is NOT as powerful as a .22 LR. Whoever told you that was incorrect. The .22 gets around 50 ft lbs, and the .25 around 80. More than enough for hunting. Barrel length on the Carbine is if memory serves me right 14" and the long rifle is 21" (I just measured the rifle, my Carbine is not here at the moment) but I think that is correct. Numer of shots depends on the gun, (they are not exactly alike) Carbine or Rifle, and what you consider ok, POI drop or not. Regulated or not. I start at 3200 psi, but never shoot mine below 1500 psi, so can't answer that.

I have the hand pump, and it is much easier to fill back to max by not going farther down in psi. The air tubes are longer on the rifle so you get more shots. Look at the tables at the "A" team website for shots per charge.

Prices range from around $450 bare bones, to $900 fully tricked out with custom stock, regulator, power wheel mods, pellet port access mod, trigger kit etc.

HTH
Marty
SSSports

I also have a Career info page at my site in the left menu that may answer a lot of your questions.

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Re: Marty, some questions about the new Swift 6-24X scopes...


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Msg. 275953  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 16, 2000 at 10:48:52:

In Reply to: Marty, some questions about the new Swift 6-24X scopes... posted by John B on August 16, 2000 at 08:04:41:

John no dumb questions, only dumb answers lol.

The 677 will focus to 10 yards at 10x and below. A little fuzzy but you can use it at ten yards at up to around 14x, after that it gets too fuzzy (out of focus for my taste) at 10 yards. At 13 yards it is razor sharp at all mags.

I and the guys getting them will most definetely let everyone know their test results, and 7 are going out today. If I mount a scope and shoot with it, it becomes used, so I will wait on some tests from my compadres, as I have limited quanties right now, and don't want to short anyone that wants one.

HTH
Marty
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Msg. 275952  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 16, 2000 at 10:29:38:

In Reply to: PCP Beginning posted by chasm on August 15, 2000 at 22:35:49:


PCP's are not THE way to go; they are A way to go. I say this because Charles you know you have to try them! You're curiosity would allow no other other outcome! ;) ------- Mr.P
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Re: What Next?


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Msg. 275951  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 16, 2000 at 10:24:45:

In Reply to: What Next? posted by BK on August 15, 2000 at 22:55:36:


BK, yours is a really good post of someone who is NOT ready for a particular class of gun. Your post indicates that you've not yet done your homework to make sure you understand the different options available to you from any given pcp gun. You need to learn from your Kodiak experience. Get razor sharp clear about what your needs and wants are first. Write them down! Get clear about what you want to avoid in a gun and write that that down too. Get clear about how much (total amount) you are willing to shell out for said gun and stick to this amount. Take your time and do your home work.
Be patient and persistent. The best decisions and outcomes are formed from patience and persistence.
Carry this same kind of mind-set to your practice sessions. You don't need hours on end everyday but you do need to practice intelligiently. LEARN how to do that! Set marksmanship goals but always, always, always make your shooting sessions FUN! Use some imagination and enjoy your practice sessions while at the same time intelligiently challenging yourself to higher and higher standards. ----- Mr.P

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Msg. 275950  Posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 10:23:31:

In Reply to: Peter, tell Janny... posted by DaveG on August 16, 2000 at 09:00:34:

... that there are other factors in the equation here, such as me having overspent this year's airgun budget on the Shamal. As it is, at the price we do not have a choice. When Marty's assessment of the 6-24 is correct, $200 isn't going to buy you a scope of which the optics are "close to being comparable". Even if the Tasco WOULD focus down to 9 yards, rangefinding with it would be a lot harder than with even my Swift 6-18x44.

Just yesterday, I did a little test that you might find interesting: I threw out a target (a pebble), set the scope at 13 yards, spotted the grass where it was sharp, guesstimated the distance between the pebble and my sharp spot, measured the actual result. I repeated that a couple of times. Furthest I was off was 15 inches, and usually I got it right to within 10 inches.

That, and it didn't really require much thinking on my part.

If I had a choice, things might be different.

peter



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Msg. 275949  Posted by Swinson on August 16, 2000 at 10:17:58:

In Reply to: FX2000 Vs. Carrer 707 ..... !@#$%$@ posted by Omer on August 16, 2000 at 09:49:33:

Get the 707. MAX FPS really mean nothing as I can get some pretty zippy FPS from both but MAX POWER is what you are looking for, or so it sounds like it.

Career is more powerful in any of it's varients.
It has ADJUSTABLE power Accuracy wise the FX is a bit more accurate BUT both are VERY accurate and I think most of that accuracy is in the trigger.


Regards,
Craig
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Re: Career 707 or Air Force Talon


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Msg. 275948  Posted by Swinson on August 16, 2000 at 10:15:02:

In Reply to: Career 707 or Air Force Talon posted by Andrew on August 15, 2000 at 20:08:30:

That's easy. Get the 707! The talon is really not that good. It's really rinky dink with some very rudimentary parts like a "wire" saftety

Regards,
Craig
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Re: Order from Pyramid air ?


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Msg. 275947  Posted by Swinson on August 16, 2000 at 10:11:11:

In Reply to: Order from Pyramid air ? posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 06:04:30:

Like I have said before Pyramyd (Joshua) is a really nice guy BUT often times things get sort of screwed up in shipping and billing. Now I have NO DOUBT that this is entirely due to HONEST mistakes. He has ALWAYS made right what was wrong and then some. Just call him talk to him, send supporting documentation via e-mail and it will get fixed.
I find it sort of fun in a way, I mean if it were my only gun and I was missing parts it would sort of make me angry but he's a really nice guy and has always come through for me in the end, making it right plus some! I really like the guy even though I think his shipping folks are hitting the sauce a bit!

Regards,
Craig
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Re: Unbridled Curiosity ...


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Msg. 275946  Posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 10:09:07:

In Reply to: Re: Unbridled Curiosity ... posted by Mike Pearson on August 16, 2000 at 09:48:51:

Well... to a CERTAIN extent, your scope should focus down to at least an approximation of the shooting distance, or else you get troubled by parallax errors.

When a scope will focus down to 15 yards on full 24x mag, I reckon it'll come close enough to 10 on, say, 16x mag or something.
I know, I know. Real men laugh at targets at 10 yards. But we FT shooters couldn't care less about being real men, we're just FT shooters, right? While a target at 10 yards may have you grab the gun by the barrel and just slam its skull in, I am led to believe that in FT that's not counting as a hit. ;-)

Also, the kill zones at 10 yards tend to be not much larger than a pellet, causing us to have to be able to make sure we're not having any parallax trouble, so at 10 yards we'd probably go off the 24x setting. This is exactly what Janny is doign now when she's shooting below what the Tasco will focus down to. The reason that the Tasco doesn't cut it is not that it doesn't focus close enough -- compared to the 669MTA it just refuses to focus at whatever distance, making any form of rangefinding a pain in the nether regions. But any scope, however good, that wouldn't focus down below 20 yards would NOT be cutting it in Field Target.

It's been said that FT shooters are crazy. If that's what it takes, so be it. *insert maniacal laughter here*

peter

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Msg. 275945  Posted by Raymond on August 16, 2000 at 10:03:17:

In Reply to: seems my new toy is delayed posted by M Boyle on August 16, 2000 at 06:01:24:

Hello M.Boyle, I can relate to your wait. My JW60 and a JW80 destined for MAC 1 was also delayed about a month and a half because of some mixup by the port authorities in England. The person checking the packages at the time ended up sending the guns back to John after a 3 week turnaround trip. John found them sitting on his doorstep one evening and telephoned me explaining what had happened. He sent them out again the same way the next morning, but this time I got my JW60 and I assumed MAC 1 got his JW80.
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Msg. 275944  Posted by JS on August 16, 2000 at 09:59:48:

In Reply to: best posted by charlie on August 16, 2000 at 06:07:31:

The suggestion to look at Ben/Sher is a good one.
And the Crosman line of pumpers 1377, 1322 and 2289 are good also. Accuracy is good, but the .22 caliber versions would be most effecient at energy transfer (1322 and 2289). The option of being able to attach a shoulder stock to them is very useful also. I use a 1377 for my "truck gun".
The Daisy 717 and 747 are both priced under $100. They use the same single-stroke pnuematic powerplant, so they are not "powerful". But they are accurate .177 target type pistols. I got my 717 from D&R Sports for around $53. They have the 747 also (it has a better barrel and trigger).
Look at used guns while you are thinking about what to buy. As long as the thing has not been abused, a used pumper will often get you more gun for less than you'd pay for the same new.

hth, Jack



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Dûh. Try shooting a rimfire at the FT Worlds.


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Msg. 275943  Posted by peter huppertz on August 16, 2000 at 09:58:07:

In Reply to: The Heretic Speaks posted by Happy Gardener on August 15, 2000 at 23:32:27:

As we discussed earlier, there are no solid airgun truths (remember the 54 discussion?)
What works for you, may not work for me.

peter
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Msg. 275942  Posted by Omer on August 16, 2000 at 09:49:33:

Hi Guys,

I m about to but a PCP rifle but a lot confused........ i have been searching & exploring the net for last three weeks and found these two best but i still need a alot info to select one of those ...... so plz help. And although i have to import it from uk or usa since i cant get it from here.

I wanna know user comments on the two guns, i liked the fx2000 but some one told me tht it doesnt have much power to pull the eley magnum 30 g solid pellet to over 900 fps to make high muzzle energy. While the carrer 707 can make around the same to my .22 LR and tht is 90 ft/lb. Is tht true?

DO ne one knows tht what is the max fps u can get from both of the guns and how... and how many shot it will give on tht power?

So what would u guys say which gun is more powerful and which is good overall regarding all aspects? Plz tell me the avg. price tags for both of the guns

I cannot find any official or non-off site and product details about carrer 707 .... can ne 1 hlp me plz in telling the site?


And is the carrer 707 available in the pistol stock? .... i mean rather than its shotgun fashioned english stock

Can ne one help me in finding complete datails like:

- Muzzle threaded for silencer or not?
- Max shots per charge on full power
- loading method and mag capicity.... like the fx2000 have a bolt action and 8 shot mag
- barrel length
- overall length

etc etc.........


PS. I need the urls of the so called KWC,IZH air rifles .......... and the g10 pistol site ..... tht .177 repeating action pistol.

Plz leave ur mail address if u can.


Thanks a lot for your replies...


Bye,
Omer



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Msg. 275941  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 16, 2000 at 09:48:51:

In Reply to: Re: Unbridled Curiosity ... posted by Uncle Gary on August 16, 2000 at 02:24:54:


While I am like Dave in the sense that I like to make things as simple as possible for myself and just simply focus on the shot itself, what you say makes good sense too, real good sense. Heck, on a good day, you should just about be able to SPIT and hit the target at 10 yards!
I also thought the need for range finders that measured down to 20 and below yards was a bit silly too. If you have to know the exact range, a tape measure would do just fine thank you very much. Gee Gary, how did I ever get along with my iron-sighted Sheridan Bluestreak? ---- Mr.P
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Pellet Lube.


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Msg. 275940  Posted by James McAllister on August 16, 2000 at 09:45:33:

Iv,e read that lubeing pellets is recomended for PCP rifles. Is this also true for CO2? What lubes are the best? Any spray types? Thanks for any and all help. James
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Re: Anyone know of any airgun distributors in Canada other than guns n things and SIR? (mail order or shipping)


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Msg. 275939  Posted by Lew on August 16, 2000 at 09:35:59:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone know of any airgun distributors in Canada other than guns n things and SIR? (mail order or shipping) posted by Whitewolf on August 16, 2000 at 01:07:54:

http://www.lebaron.ca is the correct URL.
They have stores in Montreal, Markham,On. Ottawa, Mississauga,On.
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Re: Career 707 or Air Force Talon


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Msg. 275938  Posted by Marco Peter on August 16, 2000 at 09:30:28:

In Reply to: Career 707 or Air Force Talon posted by Andrew on August 15, 2000 at 20:08:30:

The 707 is much more powerfull, but of both guns the power is adjustable. The 707 with a wheel, the Talon by turning the air-outlet (or whatever it is called).

The amount of shots from a tank depends on the power of the shots. And so is the loudness of the shots. I've heard a 707 at full power with silencer, and is was quite quiet. (wrong grammar?)

BUY A CAREER!
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Re: seems my new toy is delayed


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Msg. 275937  Posted by ProfHoff on August 16, 2000 at 09:26:21:

In Reply to: seems my new toy is delayed posted by M Boyle on August 16, 2000 at 06:01:24:

Mr. Boyle,

When did you order your gun? Ordinarily, producing such airgun perfection takes about a year. Even so, I'm confident the wait will be worthwhile.

Please do tell us your impressions after you have had an opportunity to shoot your new prize.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Re: New Airgun Field Target Program-Tacoma Washington


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Msg. 275936  Posted by Crocodile hunter on August 16, 2000 at 09:22:31:

In Reply to: New Airgun Field Target Program-Tacoma Washington posted by MAD DAWG on August 15, 2000 at 23:50:26:

Thanks alot for the info might go check it out. are you going to shot at the match? I want to go check this range out I hear they have 1,000 yard comps. there
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Re: seems my new toy is delayed


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Msg. 275935  Posted by DaveG on August 16, 2000 at 09:22:09:

In Reply to: seems my new toy is delayed posted by M Boyle on August 16, 2000 at 06:01:24:

Mike, that's just one of the drawbacks when buying a hand built piece of art... In the long run, once you've taken delivery of the gun, you will forget all about the waiting, and just enjoy the heck out of it! I know that's not much comfort for today, but like i said... In the long run the waiting will be worth it... Just hang in there!
Regards,
DaveG
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Re: Need Phone Number Help


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Msg. 275934  Posted by Art on August 16, 2000 at 09:19:36:

In Reply to: Need Phone Number Help posted by chasm on August 15, 2000 at 20:33:22:

If you know there name or their last name try going to Brad's page and click on his sponser's banner (411.com). Once there click on White pages and enter what you know about the person and it will give you the phone number & address. Or a list to choose from.

We all should be clicking on this anyway. And it is a usefull site.


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Msg. 275933  Posted by Piter M on August 16, 2000 at 09:17:42:

In Reply to: Here we go again--just read this and you can skip the rest. posted by John Sa. on August 12, 2000 at 22:42:45:

In many countries (UK for example) silencers are legal and VERY popular!!!
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Re: Career 9mm questions


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Msg. 275932  Posted by Rob M on August 16, 2000 at 09:06:44:

In Reply to: Re: Career 9mm questions posted by BSJ on August 14, 2000 at 20:41:08:

How many shots do you get out of a charge with one of these?
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Msg. 275931  Posted by Art on August 16, 2000 at 09:04:38:

In Reply to: What Next? posted by BK on August 15, 2000 at 22:55:36:

Cody,
read the above post. Most of the suggestions for you to buy a certain type of airgun is so you won't have to go through this process.
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Msg. 275929  Posted by CJ on August 16, 2000 at 09:01:08:

Alot of guys E-mailed me last night and I want to thank you. I sent E-mail out to where and how to send them and later tried to log on but the sever was dead . If you got the E-mail good, if not I'll try to resend it this evening. Also if you sent confromation I didn't get it and they most likly bounced . I will have a talk with my ISP and get this worked out. I'm writing this from work and have no outside E-mail right now, Sorry for the trouble.

CJ
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Msg. 275928  Posted by DaveG on August 16, 2000 at 09:00:34:

In Reply to: Re: More than parallax... posted by peter huppertz on August 15, 2000 at 19:18:01:

If I have a choice between a scope that focuses down to 9 yards, and one that focuses down to 13 yards, provided the optical quality is close to being comparable, I'm going with the one that focuses down to 9 yards any and every time, no questions asked. Can I compensate, yes of course I can... When I hunt I usually use hold over/under for the majority of my shots, and I do a decent job of taking the game I am after. When I shoot Feild Target, I don't want to have to think that much about the shot... that's why I buy the equipment I buy... This season has been a learning experience for me, and I approached it as such, having fun and meeting people...learning the game so to speak... next season the bar gets raised, and you can bet that I will be using a scope that will focus down to 10 yards or below. JMHO
Regards,
DaveG
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Re: Gun suit thrown out......


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Msg. 275927  Posted by Art on August 16, 2000 at 09:00:30:

In Reply to: Gun suit thrown out...... posted by Simon Slick on August 15, 2000 at 22:29:07:

For a country that was set up with a limited Federal Government I wonder where the right to sue it's own people and business came from?
I don't remember seeing it in constitution.
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Re: Customs in Canada: reaction time


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Msg. 275926  Posted by StuartH on August 16, 2000 at 08:56:03:

In Reply to: Customs in Canada: reaction time posted by Steve T on August 15, 2000 at 18:06:01:

There is really no way to estimate their turnaround time. I had a Makarov come in in less than a week. I also had a Hw40 which took six weeks, came in as a Final notice to pick up (I never recieved the first two notices.) It simply depends on the quality of the person who inspects the shipment. It also may help if you have the sender quote the Canada Customs number regarding the section the gun falls under ie over 500 fps or under.


StuartH
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Re: Any good Airgun stores in Alanta, GA?


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Msg. 275925  Posted by Art on August 16, 2000 at 08:51:23:

In Reply to: Any good Airgun stores in Alanta, GA? posted by Mike Fujioka on August 16, 2000 at 02:03:38:

Here is AIRGUNNING ATLANTA web page URL.
It may help.

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Re: M54 .177 or .22 cal?


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Msg. 275924  Posted by Roland Martens on August 16, 2000 at 08:47:47:

In Reply to: Re: M54 .177 or .22 cal? posted by HG on August 15, 2000 at 22:01:36:

Check out at SS page too. Some $450 I remember. You can buy a package with Trophy scope & droop compensation 1 piece mount.

Recoil system will not wear out, cause the fit is accomplished by means of spring loaded bearings. You eventually will have to readjust the tension of the rear bearing by means of an Allen screw inside the rear sliding block. Take a look at the URL below for some understanding about the rail system.

I've shot some 5000 rounds through my m54 GSI .22 and it rocks. Quarters at 75, no problemo (although without wind).

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Re: The Airgun God come'th to my home.


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Msg. 275923  Posted by Rob M on August 16, 2000 at 08:46:53:

In Reply to: The Airgun God come'th to my home. posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 14, 2000 at 07:48:05:

You got it wrong: The airgun God is at my place and it's a......BSA SUPER 10! HA!
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Re: Anyone know of any airgun distributors in Canada other than guns n things and SIR? (mail order or shipping)


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Msg. 275922  Posted by StuartH on August 16, 2000 at 08:46:28:

In Reply to: Anyone know of any airgun distributors in Canada other than guns n things and SIR? (mail order or shipping) posted by s[i]lencer on August 16, 2000 at 00:40:44:

You can also try London Arms (see Airgun Resources page). He is located in Mississauga Ont and a pleasure to deal with. Deals in the Checz line of air guns.


StuartH
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Re: Order from Pyramid air ?


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Msg. 275921  Posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 08:35:32:

In Reply to: Re: Order from Pyramid air ? posted by Tom on August 16, 2000 at 07:56:59:


I don`t say he is not honest but why didn`t he notify me when he charged that extra $51.17
nowhere on my bill i can find that amount off money..

Well he took a lot of time for you and your son but with me he sometimes don`t even answer my e-mail...
And no i don`t mail him 7 times a week ;-)

Marco


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Re: Career's Rule!


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Msg. 275920  Posted by Rob on August 16, 2000 at 08:35:02:

In Reply to: Career's Rule! posted by Swinson on August 14, 2000 at 20:37:24:

That's as may be, but I could never own a rifle with that awful mock 'engraving' on the side!
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Re: Probably...


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Msg. 275919  Posted by Gary on August 16, 2000 at 08:26:43:

In Reply to: Probably... posted by Penn on August 16, 2000 at 07:30:11:

I hear, thought I have never shot or seen, that the Daisy 717 is pretty good. Single pump. The price is about 75 bucks ret. I have seen prices as low as 53 bucks.

Gary
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Re: Order from Pyramid air ?


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Msg. 275917  Posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 08:20:35:

In Reply to: Re: Order from Pyramid air ? posted by M Boyle on August 16, 2000 at 06:12:43:


I made a deal for $609.02 and that includes shipping {$39} and for that amount i did gave him permision to charge the card..
Is it then normal to charge my card again for $51.17 without notifying me ? so in total i pay +/- $90,- for shipping and i can tell you that is a lot of money for only shipping a gun ;-)

Thank you for the reply and i hope you never get a surprise like this ;-)

Marco
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Marty, some questions about the new Swift 6-24X scopes...


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Msg. 275916  Posted by John B on August 16, 2000 at 08:04:41:

You mentioned that the 6-24X will not focus down to 10m at full power but will it focus down to 10m at other power settings (6X, 20X etc...)? Sorry if it sounds like a dumb question, but I don't really know much about scopes.

Are you planning to post a more detailed review of your findings on this scope soon?

Do you have any pictures of the 6-24X?

Thanks



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UPSTATE NY GET TOGETHER


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Msg. 275915  Posted by Tom on August 16, 2000 at 08:03:06:

Hey guys I live in Rochester how about we communicate with each other and try and organize a shoot or something. Anyone have a farm or something that we can meet at. I'll provide the donuts. Tom.
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Re: Order from Pyramid air ?


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Msg. 275914  Posted by Tom on August 16, 2000 at 07:56:59:

In Reply to: Order from Pyramid air ? posted by Marco on August 16, 2000 at 06:04:30:

Met Joshua and his son at the airshow in Baldwinsville. Joshua took a lot of time with my son before I even bought anything. Did by quite a bit from him though. Had a problem with the CP99. He sent me another one EVEN before he had received my broken one. I would say that Joshua is a very trusting and honest retailer. I have also dealt with Golden Toller(satisfies to the nth degree). I also bought from FUNSUPPLY and got some unbelievable Chinese guns. Tom White
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Probably...


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Msg. 275912  Posted by Penn on August 16, 2000 at 07:30:11:

In Reply to: best posted by charlie on August 16, 2000 at 06:07:31:

...should be looking at the HB line of pistols from Benjamin.

Also Crosman 2289, 1322, 1377... far less expensive that the Benji, but there's a reason for that.
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Re: Are Diablos CPs


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Msg. 275911  Posted by M Boyle on August 16, 2000 at 06:56:21:

In Reply to: Re: Are Diablos CPs posted by Sid E on August 15, 2000 at 16:02:47:

ftts=fts and the field targets=ramjets the match pellets are sold by beeman as well..not sure of the rest
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Re: Crosman 1760 vs QB78


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Msg. 275910  Posted by Mitch on August 16, 2000 at 06:44:04:

In Reply to: Crosman 1760 vs QB78 posted by Mark Ferreira on August 15, 2000 at 21:48:01:

The 1760 and 2260 are basically 2250s with long barrels and walnut stocks. Only advantage over QB is the wood. Trigger is crude, breech is plastic.
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A taxpayer and his money...


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Msg. 275909  Posted by Mitch on August 16, 2000 at 06:36:14:

In Reply to: Gun suit thrown out...... posted by Simon Slick on August 15, 2000 at 22:29:07:

...are soon parted. You can bet they will appeal this one as far as they can. The gunmakers have to pay for lawyers with their own money. They city uses taxpayer funds to pay for theirs. It doesn't matter that they lose the suit, if they can use lawyer's fees to destroy legitimate companies.
I hope that the gunmakers ask for lawyer's fees from the city on the grounds that the suit is without merit.

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Steve, if you want accuracy and power from an airpistol.....


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Msg. 275908  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 16, 2000 at 06:27:09:

...I suggest the Chameon B4 in .22cal (the .177 version isn't nearly as powerful). Being in the US you don't have the temeperature flux to deal with when opting for a C02 pistol.

The Beeman P1 is; just as powerful as the Czech B4, about $100 less expensive, more accurate (designed for target shooting) and NOT as good a $ for $ value as the B4 Chameleon.

Being in the US though, you can also opt for the Tominator (more expensive and more powerful than the P1 or B4).

Other pistols you may wish to consider (on a much varied budget) are the Quackenbush Crosman, Tau-7 in .22, the venerable Webley Tempest, an old (and used) Crosman 150 or one of the similar modern Benjiman/Sheridan pump or C02 pistols, the Crosman 1322 or a modified Crosman 2289.

There's alot of money to be saved on used airpistols. Generally, the more it looks like an automatic pistol (and made of plastic without an at leat $150 USD tag) the bigger POS it is!

Also, you may find you have to go buy a few $60 airpistols before you learn to appreciate how good the high-quality stuff is. Buy an airpistol you know that you would be proud for your grand-childen to enherit, will last you a lifetime and save yourself some grief.
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Msg. 275907  Posted by M Boyle on August 16, 2000 at 06:25:13:

In Reply to: Temp. Stock Modifications for Field Traget posted by Tom L. on August 15, 2000 at 20:38:53:

tom basspro\redHead has a turkey hunting Knee dovetail rest it velcros to the knee to set a gun on..im not sure if it would need to be mod or not but id check it out..you maybe able to rig a knee shelf to the stock
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Re: AIR-17


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Msg. 275906  Posted by M Boyle on August 16, 2000 at 06:17:43:

In Reply to: AIR-17 posted by john on August 15, 2000 at 21:33:00:

i think kmart sold them for around $40..i had one..weak shooter but ok for 15 feet can killin
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