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Re: Morini 162e


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Msg. 278683  Posted by pilkguns on August 24, 2000 at 06:43:24:

In Reply to: Morini162e posted by Jerry on August 23, 2000 at 14:51:38:

is the one on the back of the recevier. turning it in, clockwise , makes it go faster. Next time you hav Morini quetions youmight try asking them onthe 10m BBS, occasionally you will see the owner of Morini answering questons there

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Msg. 278682  Posted by RGunn on August 24, 2000 at 06:36:10:

In Reply to: STANDING GUARD, LAPIERRE, 9/00 posted by Brian Wheater on August 24, 2000 at 01:56:51:


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Re: FX2000 And Max. ft/lb ???


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Msg. 278681  Posted by Omer on August 24, 2000 at 06:15:56:

In Reply to: Re: FX2000 And Max. ft/lb ??? posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 14:51:06:

Thanks Craig,
I know the answer would remain same but i was thinking if it can make it because it cost too much as compared to the carrer .....

And can u tell tht how much shots the carrer can make on full power ......... ie the fx2000 make 100.

Do u have one of this gun?


Thx,
Omer
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Re: Purchasing Pellets


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Msg. 278680  Posted by Dutch on August 24, 2000 at 06:00:28:

In Reply to: Re: Purchasing Pellets posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 23:03:40:

D&R Sports: If you buy atleast 6 boxes you get a discount. I think it worked out to be 9.99 per box for .22 CPs and that includes shipping.

Dutch
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Re: Air Rifle Specialist


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Msg. 278679  Posted by Sammy on August 24, 2000 at 05:08:18:

In Reply to: Air Rifle Specialist posted by Charles on August 24, 2000 at 03:39:11:

It's hard to get him by email. I have found that it's easiest to call him on the phone at (607) 734-7340. It might be busy but you will eventually get him.
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Re: Purchasing Pellets


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Msg. 278678  Posted by Sammy on August 24, 2000 at 05:06:01:

In Reply to: Purchasing Pellets posted by Stu on August 23, 2000 at 22:46:39:

Another vote for Golden Toller.
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For me it's got to be QB78/22 (nt)


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Msg. 278677  Posted by Sammy on August 24, 2000 at 05:03:45:

In Reply to: Fun posted by AirShooting Fun on August 24, 2000 at 01:27:37:

nt
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Re: Conversion from mg to gr.


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Msg. 278676  Posted by jukt on August 24, 2000 at 04:54:14:

In Reply to: Conversion from mg to gr. posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 18:55:37:

Probably Tech Force pellets. Made in Shanghai.

Mine look nice and clean.
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Msg. 278675  Posted by jukt on August 24, 2000 at 04:48:24:

How good is the BSA SUPERSTAR MK2 Air Rifle ?
Is it a supermagnum ? How well will it Field Target ?

Thanks.


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Re: Purchasing Pellets


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Msg. 278674  Posted by jukt on August 24, 2000 at 04:42:13:

In Reply to: Purchasing Pellets posted by Stu on August 23, 2000 at 22:46:39:

Wal Mart has Crossman Premiers for less than $4 a tin, 250 each of .177 10.5 grain. Didn't see any other CP's.
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Msg. 278673  Posted by Charles on August 24, 2000 at 03:39:11:

Does anyone know if A.R.S. is still in business? If so, please e-mail me at cbh11966@aol.com Thanks. Charles.
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Re: I hate to put you off whenever you ask a question, but:


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Msg. 278672  Posted by Eric P. on August 24, 2000 at 03:25:44:

In Reply to: Re: I hate to put you off whenever you ask a question, but: posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 19:14:29:

130 lbs? you're a heavy boy. Must have a stomach like a bowling ball :). Seriously, I have friends with kids 5 foot some who have difficulty cocking even an r9. They ain't skinny either. Please seriously consider a springer; they're much more attractive than a CA 707, and easy to shoot. With practice, you may even do it accurately. Save the PCP's till you dead serious know you will love this hobby. IMHO, they're not a gun you want to learn on. Besides, it's not much fun jumping up and down on the handle of an axor pump trying to get it down.
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Re: .177 Verses .22


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Msg. 278671  Posted by Charles on August 24, 2000 at 03:18:41:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Mike Pearson on August 24, 2000 at 00:08:23:


+I have to agree on the .22. I have made more one shot kills on pigeons with my patriot .22 than my .177 using SilverBears or Crow Mags. Believe me, I used to step out on to my patio here in phenix last year and watch the palm trees move ( yes, their was that many pigeons). Equasion; NO MORE PIGEONS! HA! HA! HA!
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Msg. 278670  Posted by KC on August 24, 2000 at 02:52:10:

Would like to hear from persons who have shot a B-21, or B-22. Is the rifle all they claim it is for the money? Any hunters use it???

Thanks

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Antique German Air Rifle


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Msg. 278669  Posted by Brian on August 24, 2000 at 02:29:08:

I need any information about a German made air rifle circa 1940-1950. I need value info badly.
If you happen to know anything about foreign antique air rifles, please contact me.
prizmlife@hotmail.com

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Re: Challenge!!!!


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Msg. 278668  Posted by John Sa. on August 24, 2000 at 02:01:59:

In Reply to: Challenge!!!! posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:35:10:

The point was to be careful enough with the post that it made it past the moderator. The moderator looks at everything BEFORE it posts. If you were able to do that, the implication is that they haven't even figured out that you're making fun of them.

Posting something to a public forum isn't exactly infringing on someone's rights. If they don't like it, it'll get deleted, just like on this forum.

Another example:

I just got a new baby starling, I am trying to think of a good name for him. I think Skeeter is cute. Does anyone out there have a better name? I would call him Skeet for short.
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STANDING GUARD, LAPIERRE, 9/00


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Msg. 278667  Posted by Brian Wheater on August 24, 2000 at 01:56:51:

Patriots, I invite your attention to the above article in the 9/00 American Rifleman. In the most powerful editorial I've ever seen in American Rifleman. Mr LaPierre has revealed the true colors of the Clinton/Gore regime. For 8 years their contempt for the Constitution has gone far beyond the 2d Amendment. The Founding Fathers dedicated their "lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor" for our liberty. As election day approaches let us observe their example. Write checks, volunteer and get out the vote to destroy the Clinton/Gore regime and their wicked party. Do not let positive poll results make you complacent. Remember, evil triumphs when good men do nothing!
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How else would he keep the heathen out of it? (nt)


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Msg. 278666  Posted by John Sa. on August 24, 2000 at 01:47:49:

In Reply to: Re: Ask the authorities on the subject--Texans. posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 17:56:42:

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I actually like sparrows amd when I tried to bait starlings, I got mallards.


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Msg. 278665  Posted by Brian Wheater on August 24, 2000 at 01:44:07:

In Reply to: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds. posted by Brian Wheater on August 23, 2000 at 02:21:02:

nt
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A word for .177 (Re: .177 Verses .22)


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Msg. 278664  Posted by Brian Wheater on August 24, 2000 at 01:39:51:

In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:

My .177 1377, TS45, RWS36 and R9 have taken hundreds of pests and quite a bit of game over the years. I'm hesitant to mess with success. It will take a long time for my scopeless .22 Ben 312, overcharged Ben 132 and B/S E22 to catch up, though I realize these are totally dissimilar sets used under different circumstances. Even in my carefully measured shooting area I still missestimate hold over or under. I'm inclined to stick with .177 for magnum rifles, or the smallest caliber that won't go supersonic with a practical pellet in a given gun model. In pistols I'm starting to lean to .22, since practical pistol range (20 ft) renders trajectory irrelevant. Or is it? My 132 and E22 are more accurate than my now departed 1377, but my 1377 racked up more kills more easily. I used Crosman points in the 1377, TS45 and RWS36 and only adopted domes later. I won't try hp's or wc's for hunting. If it kills at 50 yds, it should kill at 10.
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Msg. 278663  Posted by AirShooting Fun on August 24, 2000 at 01:27:37:

Just for some fun what is everyones favorite airgun to shoot for all around
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Re: TX200 SR?


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Msg. 278662  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 24, 2000 at 01:25:17:

In Reply to: Re: TX200 SR? posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 00:48:23:

What is the reason for them being hard to find? has AA stopped producing them?

I was looking through American Airguns, it says the retail price is about $500 - is this right?

Also, is this gun a scope killer. I've heard that semi-recoiless actions (Such as the RWS 54) are scope killers. Is this gun as such?

Also, how would it compare to my new HW97?

Thanks,

Chris
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Wholesale Sports in Edmonton and Calgary. Your local gun shop could also get them for you run you about $20 to $25 Can. n/t


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Msg. 278661  Posted by Whitewolf on August 24, 2000 at 00:59:01:

In Reply to: Re: What holsters are available for the P1? Websites? Thanks! (nt) posted by TCooper on August 23, 2000 at 22:54:19:

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Neat link


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Msg. 278660  Posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 00:56:38:

Would be nice to see some stuff about airguns in the mag.

Regards,
Craig

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Re: Xenobiologists and Marlin Perkins


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Msg. 278659  Posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 00:55:46:

In Reply to: Xenobiologists posted by bearridge on August 24, 2000 at 00:11:46:

Bear: they probably wouldn't let him increase his insurance. he he RB
PS_ a debate with that crew WOULD be Wild Kingdom!
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Re: I found a welding equipment supplier nearby,do they know all of the procedures required to fill a CO2 Bottle?


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Msg. 278658  Posted by Dave B on August 24, 2000 at 00:53:46:

In Reply to: Re: I found a welding equipment supplier nearby,do they know all of the procedures required to fill a CO2 Bottle? posted by MAD DAWG on August 23, 2000 at 22:33:38:

From being in the welding gas business all carbon dioxide has the same purity wether for medical or industrial. the only difference is that medical gases must pass a minimum purity level! ie 99.9%, 99.4% ect.the other difference is the medical gas has a different CGA fitting. Which means that a hospital can not fill any peice of equipment, even if it was LEGAL for them to do so. Dry carbon dioxide is created by over filling the bottle and when the moisture in the bottle condenses at the top the valve is then opened and the moisture is blown off. And of course this can not work when you have a syphon tube as the paint ballers would know.
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Re: izh-61 is torn down, what lubes can i use when i put it back together...


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Msg. 278657  Posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 00:51:22:

In Reply to: izh-61 is torn down, what lubes can i use when i put it back together... posted by dana on August 23, 2000 at 22:42:57:

I use either 65% moly grease ot a teflon grease (Slick50 Onegrease) on the spring, and moly on the piston. Go easy with the grease. Too much will slow it down. RB
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Re: TX200 SR?


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Msg. 278656  Posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 00:48:23:

In Reply to: TX200 SR? posted by Chris Farhi on August 24, 2000 at 00:32:47:

The SR's were semi recoilless. Nice guns. Hard to find over here now. RB
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Re: Leapers scope


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Msg. 278655  Posted by Tir on August 24, 2000 at 00:39:19:

In Reply to: Re: Leapers scope posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 23:48:30:

I agree, though it makes a nice addition and alternative to iron sights on a QB88 (or other sidelever I would guess, where a scope's length is a factor)and one is limited to a compact scope.

Just be prepared to disregard the numbers on the AO bell. Also mine is a bit stiff to turn.

hth,
Tim


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Re: .177 Verses .22


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Msg. 278654  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 24, 2000 at 00:33:43:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Quack on August 23, 2000 at 20:45:44:


No Paul, I was referring to the .22 H-Point vs. the .177 Crow Mag. The H-Point in .177 is better than any dome of course but not up to a .177 Crow Mag in my opinion. That .177 Crow expands!

I have more .22 H-Point experience than I do .177 H-Point. It has been my experience that the .22 version at least has a tendency to tumble in test mediums and in game.

The .20 Crow Mag beats all the above in medium and in game. Just the other day 8 pumps and 12ft.lbs. from a Sheridan made a bigger wound channel on a bar of Ivory compared to a .22 H-Point (admittedly a VERY deadly killer) at 15ft.lbs.. The .20 Crow Mag beats EVERYTHING else (this side of the .25) for destruction capabilities.

If you are using the .177, try the Crow Mag first. On fox squirrels Paul, you better really center the lungs and quite frankly, chances are your results are going to be spotty. I say that because even though I was using a 54 at 10 yards, I found the Crow Mag's performance just passing. To me, passing is 10ft. or/and 10seconds expiration after the hit. For me, great is 5 seconds and/or 5ft.. The H-Point (.22), the .20 Crow Mag and of course, the .25's fall in the great category. The flat head .22's hitting @ 12ft.lbs., the .177 Crow Mag at 16ft.lbs. passes and a .22 dome hitting @ 15ft.lbs. is in the "just passing" category.
I fully realize that I recommend larger amounts of energy than do some others but bear in mind I have a time/distance criteria for what I expect from a fox squirrel that I adhere to. Also, these endorsements are for double-lung shots only. Heart shots don't count because on squirrel sized animals they are much more immediate than lung shots. Heart shots make a very small aimpoint to deliberately aim for too. It's much better too have a gun/pellet combo that can handle lung shot squirrels quickly because I can assure you the same combo will do just fine on a show a bit too low in the heart.
Sometimes airgun writers simply mention squirrels as if one size fits all. Not so! Although there is no doubting the tenacity of a gray squirrel, there is a substantial difference between it and his larger cousin the fox squirrel. These squirrels run a good 1/3 larger than the smaller gray and they are the very essence of tenaciousness!

Hope this helps clarify things a bit! -- Mr.P
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TX200 SR?


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Msg. 278653  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 24, 2000 at 00:32:47:

I got the urge to get another airgun (although I just got one less then 1 month ago - go figure), anyway, I was looking through some classified adds and came across a TX200 SR.
I know a fair amount about the TX200, and it's HC counterpart, but what is the SR? Is it a early version of the TX200 or something?
Also, what would one expect to pay for a mint condition TX200SR?

Thanks

Chris Farhi
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Re: Purchasing Pellets


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Msg. 278652  Posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 00:31:15:

In Reply to: Re: Purchasing Pellets posted by TStray on August 24, 2000 at 00:18:21:

Hey do live in St Loius?

Regards,
Craig
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Re: .177 Verses .22


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Msg. 278651  Posted by Tir on August 24, 2000 at 00:30:53:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Mike Pearson on August 24, 2000 at 00:08:23:

Mike, I agree with you 100%.... sometimes even the preposterous is taken at face value, and I HOPE that my mere mention of a trying to thread a pellet (regardless of caliber or *air*gun used) through the eye socket of a small bear doesn't incline someone to think this is really plausible!

I think I'd really rather put my bet on "Bubba'" and his wrasslin' partner (the estimable Mr. Best ;) if push came to shove. Assuming of course that one or the other was, in fact, swingin' a Career (preferably the 'Tanker'version).

cheers,
Tim (address always included :)
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Re: .177 Verses .22


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Msg. 278650  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 24, 2000 at 00:27:33:

In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:

.22 is better. A low speed projectile kills by creating a wound in the game. The bigger the wound the faster the game is put down. High speed projectiles like rifle bullets create hydrostatic shock in addition to creating a wound.
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Re: Don't tell my dad he'll make me sit out all day, he loves duck! (nt)


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Msg. 278649  Posted by Ted on August 24, 2000 at 00:24:52:

In Reply to: Hey, I tried that! I got Mallards instead! posted by Brian Wheater on August 23, 2000 at 02:24:59:

nt
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Re: .177 Verses .22


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Msg. 278648  Posted by Sloop on August 24, 2000 at 00:21:58:

In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:

David:

Well, if we were back in 1976 you might get some different answers. But airguns have come a long way since then, especially in the velocity and accuracy of the larger calibers.

As for me, in survivalist mode, I'll take a .22 cal BSA S-1 or Career and an Axsor pump.

Sloop
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Re: Purchasing Pellets


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Msg. 278647  Posted by TStray on August 24, 2000 at 00:18:21:

In Reply to: Purchasing Pellets posted by Stu on August 23, 2000 at 22:46:39:

Try D&R Sports they seem to have the BEST prices on the net,next would be Joe at Golden Toller.

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All Wabbits are horny (nt)


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Msg. 278646  Posted by bearridge on August 24, 2000 at 00:16:42:

In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:

Jeez, I can't believe I just posted that! Worse
than that I can't believe you are reading this
non text. Where do you think Viagra comes from?

have a moderate one...

bearridge

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Xenobiologists


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Msg. 278645  Posted by bearridge on August 24, 2000 at 00:11:46:

In Reply to: Re: Got a Jackalope last year. Question for xenobiologists posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 22:21:32:

As Pat Paulsen used to say during his frequent
presidential campaigns....picky, picky, picky...

Too bad Pat isn't around...he and Ralph Nader were
on the same learning curve...politically that is.
Maybe he could have won this one? Can you imagine
a debate between Paulsen, Gore, Bush, Nader,
Brown, Buchanan, etc. Is Jerry Brown going to give
it another shot?

bearridge

P.S. Russ, you need to take the Jackalope issue up
with Marty Stouffer or Marlin Perkins..opps, he's
dead. What about Sidekick Jim who used to get
suckered into jumping into the waterhole with the
alligator? Boy was Marlin a manipulator! Wonder
why he never ran for president?

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Re: .177 Verses .22


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Msg. 278644  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 24, 2000 at 00:08:23:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 20:54:14:


Tim, I picked up on what you meant I believe. I tried to answer in a way that wouldn't bring about a huge passel of, "Can I kill a deer with my air rifle?" posts!
In a true survival situation, you would quite naturally do some things you wouldn't otherwise consider and not think twice about it either! However, I'm well aware that when a post is put out saying something can be done, there will invariably be those that take it(the post) as an endorsement sanctioning the activity talked about.
While I won't back off from a subject per se, I am trying to be more and more sensitive to the readers here. Some will take 2 + 2 and come up with 5. I guess sometimes you just have to read between the lines and of course, if it's me writing the post, I always leave my address so that if people should want more of an explanation, they can contact me. ----- Mr.P
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Re: Starling Lovers Main page did you see this


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Msg. 278643  Posted by Ted on August 23, 2000 at 23:58:05:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Board, Recomendation This is America Right. posted by Steve Forbes on August 23, 2000 at 10:15:39:

This person really likes starlings. But in some country the cow is sacred. Whatever, people like what they like.

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Re: Leapers scope


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Msg. 278642  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 23:48:30:

In Reply to: Leapers scope posted by Pepi on August 23, 2000 at 20:53:48:

Thick reticle, ok optics, an AO that wishes the numbers had something to do with distance I think it's just sort of random and arbitrary that application of numbers on the AO.

I have two and think they are cool just for the size but they ain't that good.

Regards,
Craig

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Pistol Shooting Books


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Msg. 278641  Posted by Matt Williams on August 23, 2000 at 23:45:35:

I'm looking for recommendations on books that discuss pistol shooting techniques. Thanks.
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Information pleaze


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Msg. 278640  Posted by Gunner3315 on August 23, 2000 at 23:44:03:

In New Jersey near newark if anyone lives here would i be able to shoot my airgun outside?
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Re: Love to shoot em! But don't Kill and tell (nt)


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Msg. 278639  Posted by Ted on August 23, 2000 at 23:41:34:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Board: Love to shoot em!: Recomendation This is America Right. posted by Jon G on August 23, 2000 at 05:16:17:

nt
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Re: TO TIM MCMURRAY AT MAC1


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Msg. 278638  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 23:23:00:

In Reply to: TO TIM MCMURRAY AT MAC1 posted by Jon F. on August 23, 2000 at 23:09:36:

Hey where did you buy that 4200?

Regards,
Craig
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No Mac Glashan is from WWII (1943) -Vulcan in 2000 (nt)


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Msg. 278637  Posted by Kelly on August 23, 2000 at 23:17:07:

In Reply to: Re: Full auto BB gun posted by mikesb on August 23, 2000 at 12:38:09:



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Msg. 278635  Posted by Bob Miller on August 23, 2000 at 23:14:52:

In Reply to: Re: 30 grn. pellet in RWS 54? posted by Charlie on August 23, 2000 at 19:31:46:

Thanks for the info.
Bob
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Msg. 278634  Posted by Jon F. on August 23, 2000 at 23:09:36:

Hey Tim, We've spoken on the phone about my CA707 a few times and how I was havung zero problems. Well, I double checked to make sure the windage and elevation knods were exactly inbetween the total number of clicks by counting them. Then I made a set of V-blocks out of wood and clamped it to a heavy oak table. I set the scope in it and turned it, sure enough, it was very off center! Man, for a $400 Elite 4200 it should be right! So I'll send it back and try it again. The Gun however was worth every penny!!! It is super accurate, I was getting PERFECT ONE HOLERS out to 30 yards with lubed CP'S! Thanks alot for your time and patience!

PS. do you think the 30 minute mounts will still be too high? Thanks again!
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Msg. 278633  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 23:03:40:

In Reply to: Purchasing Pellets posted by Stu on August 23, 2000 at 22:46:39:

hard to say but Golden TOller has most at a very good price, try Mac-1 and Pyramyd as well.

Regards,
Craig


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i got dow 111, silicone grease. but no moly stuff. nt


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Msg. 278632  Posted by dana on August 23, 2000 at 22:57:08:

In Reply to: Re: izh-61 is torn down, what lubes can i use when i put it back together... posted by TCooper on August 23, 2000 at 22:52:04:

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Msg. 278631  Posted by Matthew Grantonic on August 23, 2000 at 22:55:13:

I have owned this gun for about 15 years. It does not seem to have the power it used to. I was not informed of the damage that could be caused be dry firing this gun and I am sure that this has caused my problem. any info on obtaining parts and which ones for the repair would be helpful. Thanks
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Msg. 278630  Posted by TCooper on August 23, 2000 at 22:54:19:

In Reply to: What holsters are available for the P1? Websites? Thanks! (nt) posted by Fearon Steele on August 23, 2000 at 22:27:44:

Fearon,
UNCLE MIKE'S makes a holster that fits the P-1 perfectly. I cannot remember which number it is though.
The holster is a stiff black nylon with a removable top flap.
You can buy them in Canada from most gunshops
HTH,
Todd
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Msg. 278629  Posted by TCooper on August 23, 2000 at 22:52:04:

In Reply to: izh-61 is torn down, what lubes can i use when i put it back together... posted by dana on August 23, 2000 at 22:42:57:

You can try silicon grease on the mainspring. You can buy the stuff at a dive shop or industrial supply store.
I used Beeman's Spring Gel on both my 61 springs with good results. I think silicon grerase is the same thing.
The piston, sides of seal and spring ends are best lubed with moly. There are a couple of sources for moly besides Beeman but my city had nothing(no surprise).

Later,
Todd
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Msg. 278628  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 22:51:14:

In Reply to: Re: Spitfire photos URL enclosed posted by TStray on August 23, 2000 at 22:31:43:

Thanks that is what I was lookin for.

Gary
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Msg. 278627  Posted by Stu on August 23, 2000 at 22:46:39:

Who has the best prices for .22cal pellets -Premiers,Trophys.FTS', Diablos,etc.
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Msg. 278626  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 22:43:47:

In Reply to: Where Can I See a Picture Of the CRX???? NT posted by McClure on August 23, 2000 at 21:03:39:

Regards,
Craig

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Msg. 278625  Posted by dana on August 23, 2000 at 22:42:57:

i know there is lots a info about lubes floating around. what i'm looking for is what lubes can i use that i can get quick and local without sending away for them. the "do-it yourself stuff". i put the gun together and replaced the seal and spring. the gun cocks very rough and feels like it lost power. it's also very quiet when when shot too. thanks for your input - later dana
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Msg. 278624  Posted by Steve Parker on August 23, 2000 at 22:42:17:

In Reply to: Re: Alternative to Airgun: Traditional Archery, Baby! posted by Bubba on August 23, 2000 at 12:44:19:


I'm with you, Kris. Traditional archery is more than just a hobbie for me. I eat, sleep and drink it! I haven't pulled the trigger on an airgun for close to a year now. I'm at the archery range at least three times a week. Any chance that you were at Denton Hill?

Bubba: The longbow has remained virtually unchanged for around 10 THOUSAND years. Some say longer.

Slingshots are a natural addition to trad archery.
Steve
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Msg. 278623  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 22:40:26:

In Reply to: Craig: Stalker version? posted by Sloop on August 23, 2000 at 16:54:16:

Cald the lion cub now....20 and 40 FPE models...nicer wood, better trigger, bull barrel.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278622  Posted by MAD DAWG on August 23, 2000 at 22:33:38:

In Reply to: I found a welding equipment supplier nearby,do they know all of the procedures required to fill a CO2 Bottle? posted by Josh P. on August 23, 2000 at 18:53:01:

If you want a little 'dryer' C02 - locate a Medical Gas Supply house. If you're in the wilderness, contact your closest hospital and see who they use, and how often and when they come.
Then contact the supplier and make arrangements with them to meet at the hospital or.......
Best.....

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Msg. 278621  Posted by Mike on August 23, 2000 at 22:31:49:

In Reply to: Re: Broken HW97 cocking lever - Beeman's Response posted by ~shabang~ on August 23, 2000 at 21:48:50:

Exactly where is that set screw you mentioned? I had my HW97 to Beeman a couple of weeks ago for another problem. I notice just behind the spring mechanism there is a hole with a pin in it, as if to hold something in place. I don't recall if that was there before I sent it in or not.

Mike in Indy
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Msg. 278620  Posted by TStray on August 23, 2000 at 22:31:43:

In Reply to: Spitfire photos posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 20:11:42:

Marty has the cover photo in question on his website under AIRGUN REVUES follow link.

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Msg. 278619  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 22:30:52:

In Reply to: True weights of chinese match pellets. posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 22:16:52:

These are domes. They say on the "tin" 530mg which comes out to about 8.1 gr. Since I am shootin em in a P3 a bit lighter would be fine with me. Haven't gotten a chance to try em on paper yet.

Oh Russ, did you get the message I sent as a reply on your personal email?

Gary
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Msg. 278618  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 23, 2000 at 22:27:44:

dsaf
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Msg. 278617  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 22:21:32:

In Reply to: Got a Jackalope last year. posted by Mitch on August 23, 2000 at 14:34:52:

Why are they called Jackalopes, when they all have deer antlers(instead of pronghorn antelope horns)? RB
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Msg. 278616  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 22:16:52:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Russ N/T posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 22:02:37:

Are they domes or wadcutters? The chinese are making several different pellets- all of different weights. I have some that were advertised as 9.2 grains, but truly weigh 8.9 gr (on my swiss lab scale(these are domes BTW). Other chinese pellets weigh: pointeds 8.24 grains,
pistol wadcutters=7.66 gr., rifle wadcutters=8.37 grains. RB
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Msg. 278615  Posted by Phil Herman on August 23, 2000 at 22:16:20:

In Reply to: Light Optics Works Website ? posted by vZc® on August 23, 2000 at 14:54:22:

nt

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Msg. 278614  Posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 22:11:59:

In Reply to: Ouch!!!!!!!!!! any photos???n/t posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 20:21:09:

Inside back cover of the "AIR GUNNER" the June 2000 issue. The brit mag!
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Msg. 278613  Posted by Josh P. on August 23, 2000 at 22:10:52:

In Reply to: Re: I found a welding equipment supplier nearby,do they know all of the procedures required to fill a CO2 Bottle? posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 20:06:08:


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Msg. 278612  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 23, 2000 at 22:09:16:

In Reply to: HELP! Piston adjustment on Daisy 717. posted by Lloyd S. on August 23, 2000 at 20:14:41:

...take your pistol apart and have the grip tapped so a small screw will engage the trigger sear (behind the trigger) and make an engagement mark in the sear itself. A local machinist charged me $15 to do this. Now my pistol has an adjustable trigger and is MUCH more accurate!


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Msg. 278611  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 22:05:07:

In Reply to: VORTEK Gas Rams posted by Ron on August 23, 2000 at 05:40:14:

Ron: to my knowledge, there was ONE TX-200 Vortek ram in the field, but it subsequently failed, and the gun was returned to spring power. RB
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Msg. 278610  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 22:02:37:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Russ N/T posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 19:34:05:

Yes Russ on the bottom of the container. These are the numbers:

ZY99101131/59

0373/4.50/04

I did the math and they come out to 8.1-2 gr. I got em from Joe at Golden Toller but the weights he has on his pellet sheets don't match these.

Gary
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Msg. 278609  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 22:00:54:

In Reply to: Re: Hope one a y'all had a Career ...if you gotta' swing something, that's about the clunkiest thing I can imagine, lol posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 21:41:48:

LOL. You're doing fine Tim, just yell when you need a ladder! LOL RB
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Msg. 278608  Posted by Tom B on August 23, 2000 at 21:59:49:

In Reply to: Is a Swift 676M Likely to be a Survivor on an SM1000? posted by chasm on August 23, 2000 at 21:47:57:

I think it would be fine besides ya cant beat the back up that swift gives besides its held up well on my patriot

JMO
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Msg. 278607  Posted by AAR on August 23, 2000 at 21:55:56:

In Reply to: I hope you see this. How bad are spring guns? posted by mikesb on August 22, 2000 at 00:30:01:

They are generally pretty cheap like their cost. Some people start with those but quickly move to AEG's and get rid of them. People generally use gas pistols for backups.

Spring guns can't go full auto. Only AEG's and gas guns can. You have to recock for each shot with a spring.
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Msg. 278606  Posted by ~shabang~ on August 23, 2000 at 21:48:50:

In Reply to: Broken HW97 cocking lever - Beeman's Response posted by Bill in NC on August 23, 2000 at 21:17:28:

Typical response. Was it written or verbal?

FWIW, the person I delt with was Pam in customer service. I let her know right of the bat that I wasn't about to pay one cent...not even return shipping. She agreed to issue a UPS call tag and the whole thing was over in just over 2 weeks.

Don't accept anything less. This IS A WARRENTEE issue and Beeman must step up to honor it.

~shabang~

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Msg. 278605  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 21:48:32:

In Reply to: my new favorite airgun posted by ken on August 23, 2000 at 18:48:20:

Ya know I have always had a problem hittin anything with my B/S H9 .177. I just don't know what the problem is. What are you doin that I "ain't"? I asked earlier on the list what kinda accuracy I should expect but no one answered. I guess I have owned this thing for 20 years. I just gave up and got a P3. I sure would like to get better with it and get rid of the starlings and squirrel at the feeder this year.

Gary
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Msg. 278604  Posted by Van sharp on August 23, 2000 at 21:48:16:

I would like to have the heaviest weight possible for my career .22.
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Msg. 278603  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 21:48:08:

In Reply to: my new favorite airgun posted by ken on August 23, 2000 at 18:48:20:

Ya know I have always had a problem hittin anything with my B/S H9 .177. I just don't know what the problem is. What are you doin that I "ain't"? I asked earlier on the list what kinda accuracy I should expect but no one answered. I guess I have owned this thing for 20 years. I just gave up and got a P3. I sure would like to get better with it and get rid of the starlings and squirrel at the feeder this year.

Gary
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Msg. 278602  Posted by chasm on August 23, 2000 at 21:47:57:

Fellow Airgunners,

I need to scope my SM1000 and am wondering if a Swift 676M might work. The matte finish might go well with the SM1000's finish. I'd like to help out with Marty's overstock situatuion, but don't want to sacrifice a scope. Any opinions?

chasm

P.S. Had a Swift on the SM1000 briefly, but not long enough to tell if it would have been a Survivor.

cm
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Msg. 278601  Posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 21:45:10:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Roland Martens on August 23, 2000 at 21:29:02:

Definitely a given there ...

Maybe I'm just playing "Devil's Advocate" ;) ... though I have seen a doe stand pretty still if food (and a heap o' luck) were the only issues.

Just theorizing in the extreme,
Tim


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Msg. 278600  Posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 21:41:48:

In Reply to: Ol' Bubba and the Bear posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 21:15:43:

Not gonna' get me any points with Steve on that one, ...whew! I'm diggin' myself deeper all the time ;)

Tim
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Msg. 278599  Posted by Roland Martens on August 23, 2000 at 21:29:02:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 18:04:29:

Better accuracy in an extreme situation, i.e. hitting in an eye a bear running towards you?

I think it's easy for a good shooter to get an accurate shot placement if he is'nt being chased, is calm, the gun resting somehow, etc. And even so, if the game is moving, it will be extermely difficult to hit a small sensitive zone.

Roland

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Msg. 278598  Posted by Bill in NC on August 23, 2000 at 21:17:28:

Beeman Said:....."""We can repair this by just having you send in the cocking lever and locking
assembly. It would run $24 labor plus parts and return shipping. I imagine it would total about $35.

The other person's gun was repaired under warranty as his was a brand new
gun.""""

Owner's response:
Since this is a known engineering defect in your product, with other guns showing the same failure....I think you should fix it for free.

Kinda like Firestone's defects - ya know what I mean??

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Msg. 278597  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 21:15:43:

In Reply to: Re:kinda' my point exactly .... but in a life or death you use what you got, lol ;) (nt) posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 20:56:46:

Tim: that reminds me of the time ol'Bubba and me came face to face with a bear, and we only had RWS 34's.... Ol' Bubba wrapped his meathooks around the barrel and proceeds to club the bejesus out of the bear, jabberin' and cussin'all the while. After the stock broke, he commences to grapplin' with the bewildered bruin, whilst I was yellin' at him to hold the bears head still so's I could poke the gun muzzle into the bears' muzzle. Right about this time, Ol'Bubbas's showin signs of wear and tear, so I jimp into the fray...... RB
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Msg. 278596  Posted by Michael on August 23, 2000 at 21:14:50:

In Reply to: Pomona Air Guns (good or bad experience) posted by Todd in Spokane on August 23, 2000 at 14:24:09:

I can only say good things about Steve of Pomona Airguns
Professional; patient; knowledgeable; and flexible
a real gentleman
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Msg. 278595  Posted by McClure on August 23, 2000 at 21:03:39:

NT
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Msg. 278594  Posted by Jason Lowe on August 23, 2000 at 21:02:35:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Mike Pearson on August 23, 2000 at 20:25:04:

All I use my airguns for is a little target practice every now and then but mostly hunting. I have been hunting all my life and I can tell you from experience that the 22cal does a much better job on taking down squirrels and rabbits than a .177 will. Especially when your talking about real life situations where you don't always hit them in the kill zone. With a .177 I have had them get away from me when I hit them outside the kill zone but when I hit them outside the kill zone with a 22cal they never get away. And when you talk about hitting at longer ranges lets say fifty yards then you can really tell the difference with the 22cal.
Jason
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Msg. 278593  Posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 20:56:46:

In Reply to: Re: Theory is the domain of inexperienced... my world and welcome to it. posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 20:42:33:


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Msg. 278592  Posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 20:54:14:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Mike Pearson on August 23, 2000 at 20:07:24:

I think i may have misinterpreted the original premise for the question then. When it was mentioned that the articles themselves had conceded that neither caliber was capable of sufficient stopping power I had to believe they were writing with extreme 'survival' circumstances in mind (ie: larger than acceptable game/threat?) as I mentioned in my first post.

I *have* learned that for game within the means and range of an airgun the heavier caliber prevails in hunting. I was just allowing my thoughts to go beyond the sole realm of picking off rabbits and squirrels for dinner and entertain the extremes possible in survival circumstance.

I defer to to experience then, :)

Tim


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Msg. 278591  Posted by Pepi on August 23, 2000 at 20:53:48:

Any comments on the Leaper 6x scope.

Thanks
Pepi
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Msg. 278590  Posted by Quack on August 23, 2000 at 20:45:44:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by Mike Pearson on August 23, 2000 at 20:25:04:

Hey Mike, you are talkin about the H-point in .177 compared to the Crow mag .177, right. I used the H-point pellet in my RWS 34 in .177 and found it very effective for fox squirrel (brain shots). Just wondering if you are referring to the h-point in .177 and what did it expand too compared to the crow mag. Thanks,
Paul in MI
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Msg. 278589  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 20:42:33:

In Reply to: Re: Theory is the domain of inexperienced... my world and welcome to it. posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 19:30:05:

Tim: the accuracy difference between .177 and .22 is pretty slim at worst. If you know the guns ballistics (you should if it's YOUR gun), caliber should make little or no difference as to accuracy. That said, ANY airgun, including a 9mm Career, is mighty poor defense against anything over 200 lbs in weight- and that's pushing it ! Regards, Russ
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Msg. 278588  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 23, 2000 at 20:28:22:

In Reply to: Re: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds. posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 15:13:20:


Randy, I believe that I at 47 am only 3 years older than you! lol! ---- Mr.P
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Msg. 278587  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 20:26:19:

In Reply to: Re: Spitfire photos posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 20:18:05:

I now have a way to eliminate the 400 cc bottle. All you need is a hose from the tank and the adaptor for the hose. This should save $100 !! Of course, if you own a Theoben or BSA Super ten, you won't need a bottle anyway. If you own a scuba set up for another PCP, you won't need the pressure head (another $100 saved!). If you already have a PCP gun-the Spitfire is a bargain. Like any PCP gun, if you have to buy the ancilliary equipment, the intial cost is higher. Still: it's a damn good and accurate $350 airgun with zero recoil and adjustable power. RB
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Msg. 278586  Posted by Mac1 on August 23, 2000 at 20:26:09:

In Reply to: HELP! Piston adjustment on Daisy 717. posted by Lloyd S. on August 23, 2000 at 20:14:41:

The lever should be one inch away in the back when you push it home and it is about to overcenter. This adjustment is done withoput the thing cocked. Not pumping air.
It should pop home when the lever is 1" away if you have the proper amount. Don't overdue or it will wear out the lever.

Later

Tim

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Msg. 278585  Posted by Greg J. on August 23, 2000 at 20:25:17:

In Reply to: Umarex Beretta or cp-99? posted by Crane on August 23, 2000 at 15:35:49:

Crane,
I think the CP99 is a better buy because it's cheaper at $130 than the Beretta at $168 (Golden Toller prices). The 2 guns perform about the same in accuracy althogh the Beretta barrel is 1.5" longer. The 8-shot magazines seem to fit better in the CP99 with less binding when cocking the hammer. I've seen the velocity of the CP99 rated at 360 fps and I imagine the Beretta is a little faster. I change CO2 after 64 shots on each gun.
Good luck on your choice, G.J.
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Msg. 278584  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 23, 2000 at 20:25:04:

In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:


David, I have the articles you mentioned. A little after that article (early 1980 to be exact), I started a study of my own on the stopping power of the four major calibers using different pellets on a variety of game but most specifically the very tough, tenacious fox squirrel. I can tell you beyond the shadow of a doubt that .22 is the better stopper (over the .177) pellet type for pellet type, shot placement for shot placement on the same game. Yes, brain shots are equalizers for calibers BUT you don't judge stopping power by brain pan shots. On chest cavity shots, the 35% frontal AREA superiority of the .22 is really telling. David, this means that for every increment of pentration that .22 pellet does in the animal, it is crushing 35% more tissue,bone, and vital organs than the .177. This is precluding any expansion BTW. 35% is substantial!

So what would make a .177 EQUAL a .22 on these tough animals. It took a fast expanding .177 Crow Magnum hitting at 16ft.lbs. to equal a NON-expanding .22 flat head pellet (Meister)to such an extent that one pellet could not be told from the other on the basis of the animal's reaction. The Crow Mag expanded to a consistent .24" on these animals (shot behind the shoulder through both lungs at approx.10 yards to ensure the impact energies and precise placement.
The H-Point at 12ft.lbs. was substantially better than the .177 Crow Mag. on these animals even with the Crow Mag hitting at 16 big ones.

All the calibers, including the .177 have very valuable hunting uses so I would never disparage any of them. Work within their parameters and they'll serve you well.---- Mr.P
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Msg. 278583  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 20:21:09:

In Reply to: Re: Spitfire photos posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 20:18:05:

n/t
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Msg. 278582  Posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 20:18:05:

In Reply to: Spitfire photos posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 20:11:42:

Precision Sales International of Westfield Mass.1-800-221-2613
gun=$360
scuba clamp=$99
400ltr bottle=$145
totle $604
plus shipping
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Msg. 278581  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 23, 2000 at 20:14:41:

I just bought a used Daisy 717. No paperwork! I see where the adjustment is for the piston. But I don't know how many turns or clicks or ... to turn it for max and minimum adjustment.
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Msg. 278580  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 20:11:42:

Where can I get a picture of the Spitfire? Also what does this rifle go for? Is it a better alternative than the Superstar?

Gary
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Msg. 278579  Posted by Raymond L on August 23, 2000 at 20:10:47:

In Reply to: Re: Super 10 posted by Raymond on August 23, 2000 at 12:01:36:

Raymond, I find your questioning offensive to say the least and hurts the entire airgunning community at large. If you don't agree with having moderators on airguns, fine. Just don't come out and disrespect Alan Z and other airgunsmiths who contributed so much to the sport. I have never seen you post here before. But because we have the same name and I never wish to be confused with you, I am from here on end adding an "L" after my name in my future post. Oh by the way, if you are an anti-gun nut as Singson had pointed out, there is no place for you on this forum.
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Msg. 278578  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 23, 2000 at 20:07:24:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:14:10:


Thanks Peter, that was a darned good post and you saved me alot of typing!

If it was my choice between the two calibers (.177 vs. .22) for a survival situation, I'd opt for the .22. You can get enough penetration (and accuracy) to kill some very large animals which of course would necessitate some fairly close ranges (say 30 yards and in). I'm NOT talking about a bear here BTW. The answer there would lie elsewhere (NOT an airgun!)!

I look at this from a purely pragmatic viewpoint. What is MOST likely to give me the most meat for my campfire with the least amount of shots. If a person makes well placed brain pan shots, caliber matters little. In fact, the .177 has some advantages in that it's flatter trajectory would make placement even easier. However, the hunter needs the versatility IMO of being able to take shots in the chest cavity with a high likelihood of game recovery. The .22 wins hands down here.

As I see it, a survival hunter would have to place a very high emphasis on discipline. If he doesn't, he'd be very susceptible to despair and desperation which is NOT going to aid him in his hunting. In other words, he wouldn't have the luxury of getting "cute" with his shots! Yes, he needs a gun and pellet that will give him some substantial range BUT he'd be well advised to make sure his hunting creates the easiest, closest set-up shots he can possibly muster. His life could very well depend on a miss or a hit.

If I had my druthers, from a caliber basis, I'd prefer a .25 with a good penetrating pellet like the Ram Point, Silver Arrow or Kodiak Match. Why? I want a penetrating pellet that will cold-cock small game with a chest shot and still have that deep penetration for the widest range of opportunities possible. Also, such a pellet out of a high velocity .25 (25+ft.lbs.) would be the best choice possible (of the major 4 calibers) on the larger fowl at lengthier distances. One of the pellets I mentioned would give you your best choice of anchoring a wild goose at 60-70 yards. I'm talking about those times when 60-70 yards is the very closest you could get. You wouldn't be too fussy at that point! You'd be glad for all the extra energy, sectional area, sectional density and momentum you could muster. Your one sole objective is to anchor that bird and of course, when you're trying to keep hide and soul together, you'd give it your very best shot (literally)!

I'd want the most reliable scope I could get my hands on too. As much as I love variables for normal use, this is one area where a fixed power scope of very high quality would be worth it's weight in gold. A high quality 4x or 6x scope would be my choice.

Anyways, these are my thoughts on the subject and again, cheers to Peter for a really good post! --- Mr.P
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Msg. 278577  Posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 20:06:08:

In Reply to: I found a welding equipment supplier nearby,do they know all of the procedures required to fill a CO2 Bottle? posted by Josh P. on August 23, 2000 at 18:53:01:

Having worked in a welding supply store I can garrentee that they know how. They do not need to chill a bottle for the fill because they use a high presure liquid pump!!! They fill to a specific wieght on ascale!! They have to be knowedgable because it's there business to know!!! I have filled more carbon dioxide bottles than I want to think about.
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Msg. 278576  Posted by Greg J. on August 23, 2000 at 20:02:21:

In Reply to: Walther Air Gun posted by Dan on August 23, 2000 at 14:08:17:

Dan,
My CP99 has me tempted to buy the real thing (p99). How do you like yours? The CP99 is one of the more accurate Umarex pistols,even with a 3" barrel. The s/a trigger is really nice and the d/a is a long pull, but preictable. The Gamo 45 is just d/a and you have to use lead bbs for rapid fire.
Good luck, G.J.
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Msg. 278575  Posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 20:00:49:

In Reply to: BSA Spitfire posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 14:09:55:

Thanx for all the input. Much appreciated.
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Msg. 278574  Posted by chasm on August 23, 2000 at 19:55:48:

In Reply to: Re: Super 10 posted by Raymond on August 23, 2000 at 12:01:36:

Raymond,

As Archie Bunker would say "Stifle"

chasm
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Msg. 278573  Posted by Bill Warren on August 23, 2000 at 19:46:47:

In Reply to: Walther Air Gun posted by Dan on August 23, 2000 at 14:08:17:

I have both, a Gamo 45 I bought from Pyramyd and a CP99 I bought from AAA Sporting Goods. In my honest opinion, the CP99 is of much higher quality overall, much better trigger, and much more accurate than the Gamo. I would also have to agree that anything made by Umarex in Germany is at least twice the quality (on their worst day) of anything from Gamo. If I had bought the CP99 first, I would most likely have not even bothered with the Gamo 45.

HTH
Bill
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Msg. 278572  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 19:45:03:

In Reply to: also... posted by TCooper on August 21, 2000 at 23:42:20:

n/t
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Msg. 278571  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 19:34:05:

In Reply to: Thanks Russ N/T posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 19:10:58:

Gary: there should be a little white tag in that container with the true weight and pellet diameter on it (4.50 mm for example). RB
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Msg. 278570  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 19:33:05:

In Reply to: 65mg = 1 grain posted by Greg Fischer on August 23, 2000 at 19:19:44:

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Msg. 278569  Posted by Charlie on August 23, 2000 at 19:31:46:

In Reply to: 30 grn. pellet in RWS 54? posted by Bob Miller on August 23, 2000 at 18:23:28:

Years ago I tried the ARS Cobra .22 pellets (26 grains, forerunners
to the now common Dae Sung .22 30 grain pellets) with my RWS Model 52. I
only got about 540 fps (16.8 fpe). With the then popular Marksman Field
Target Specials (14.6 grains), I got 780 fps (19.7 fpe). That one test
showed me that the heavier pellets simply weren't getting enough airflow
out of the RWS 52 to be efficient. Trajectory was predictably horrible too.

Stick to the medium weight pellets with the RWS 48/52/54 in .22 caliber.

Charlie

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Msg. 278568  Posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 19:30:05:

In Reply to: Why the dissertation if you're not, I repeat not, a hunter? Shock basically does the job with wound being secondary, I think. nt posted by icon on August 23, 2000 at 18:37:27:

Often thoughts that employ logic can be as valid as those that are based on experience.

Let me ask you - why the criticism?

I've never shot a neighbor's cat - but I don't have to have to know that it is illegal. Gained knowledge can be as accurate experience.

Also, the issue here was survival with an airgun. I doubt , but would love to hear from anyone who has, that you or anyone has that experience either. So, - this is all 'theory', regardless.

In survival, two factors may be present. Provision of food, yes... but how about defense? If I'm a quarter of an inch more accurate with a .177 than a .22 in either case I'd rather put a .177 through the eye of a doe or a potentially menacing black bear than whack either on the nose with .22. How much tissue damage would a .22 do on something larger than what is normally considered for an airgun at all?

Just my opionion, read it or not.
Tim

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Msg. 278567  Posted by Greg J. on August 23, 2000 at 19:28:05:

In Reply to: Walther ppk posted by Christopher Robins on August 23, 2000 at 10:52:56:

C.R.,
If you want an illustration of field-stripping, check Pyramyd Air. They have online manuals for some guns including PPS/S.
Good luck, G.J.
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Msg. 278566  Posted by Quack on August 23, 2000 at 19:27:48:

In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:

Hey Dave, this is an endless debate that probably will never be settled because both calibers are effective when used under the right circumstances. My only experience with magnum airguns is the .177 caliber. My rational was the same as yours, flat tragectory and shot placement. But I have only used my guns for fox and grey squirrels as well as cottontail rabbits. I have always taken the time to get the good shot, other wise I will pass it up. On my toughest quarry, the fox squirrel, I try to take brain shots. If I could get the crow magnum pellet to shoot well in my guns, I would go for that upper thorax shot. That is the advantage of the .22 (or .20, .25) calibers that you have more room for error because of there increased frontal area. For survival reasons, the .22 would be the better choice. But for me, its not that I got the food on the table, but how I got it there. I like the challenge of sniping them down with the .177. Unless you have a pump pneumatic or PCP, most of the super magnum rifles will be +8lbs at least in .22. Thats kinda heavy to be luggin around the woods. Hope this helps,
Paul in MI
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Msg. 278565  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 23, 2000 at 19:19:44:

In Reply to: Re: Conversion from mg to gr. posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 19:04:05:

like Russ said...
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Msg. 278564  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 19:14:29:

In Reply to: Re: I hate to put you off whenever you ask a question, but: posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:37:32:

OOPS I'm 130lbs. I though the CA707 came with iron sights.
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Msg. 278563  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 19:10:58:

In Reply to: Re: Conversion from mg to gr. posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 19:04:05:

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Msg. 278562  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 19:04:05:

In Reply to: Conversion from mg to gr. posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 18:55:37:

They are good pellets! One milligram equals 0.01543 grains. RB
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Msg. 278561  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 19:01:19:

In Reply to: Re: Super 10 posted by Singson Tiu on August 23, 2000 at 13:41:29:

Singson: I'm with you. The questions were simply too blatant and showed a lack of good sense. I'm not sure whether Raymond is very naive, or just plain mean spirited. RB
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Msg. 278560  Posted by Tom L. on August 23, 2000 at 18:56:37:

In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:

Don't Forget the Ubiquitous Little .177
(that was one post to save as were most of
Mikes in depth discussions on the subject)
For me the accuracy and trajectory can not be
compromized. The energy delivered by a .177
Crow Mag out of a powerful springer has been
more than sufficient, And I am more likely to
make the shot with a .177.
JMHO
Tom L.
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Msg. 278559  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 18:55:37:

I have some pellets here that a guy sent me when I bought my pistol. They are Chinese and are marked 530mg. Anyone know what that is in grains? They seem to fit great and look like well made pellets. I don't know who makes em but they have a green lable and come in a plastic "tin" of 500.

Gary
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Msg. 278558  Posted by Josh P. on August 23, 2000 at 18:53:01:

I was looking thru the phone book and found out that there is a welding equipment supplier nearby after all.I was just thinking...do the people there know how to fill a CO2 bottle,with all the requirements to get it to fill to its maximum capacity,like chilling the bottle or whatever?If not,what will I have to do to get it so they can be filled properly?

Thanks-Josh P.
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Msg. 278557  Posted by ken on August 23, 2000 at 18:48:20:

Is a Benjamin-Sheridan .177 pump pistol with a stock from a Crosman 2250 and a scope.
I was sitting in my smallish backyard shooting grapes off the vines and knocking dead leaves off by their stems with the 2250, when I suddenly got very tired of CO2 cartridges. I was just going through them too fast, and because my 2250 is, um, quieter than normal I have a hard time knowing if my bottle is going or if I my marksmanship is waning.
So I went to put away the 2250 when I spied the BJ just sitting there. Out came the screwdriver and viola, the BJ got a stock. Not quite a perfect fit but good enough. I've never been able to shoot the bj properly, it's 'kick' and strange trigger always threw me off. But now I can shoot one-hole groups with it.
So now it's my favorite gun, small enough for my small backyard, quiet, and no cost to operate.


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Msg. 278556  Posted by icon on August 23, 2000 at 18:45:49:

In Reply to: Don't answer me, answer him. posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:40:55:

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Msg. 278555  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 18:45:47:

In Reply to: Re: P3 Safety Problem posted by ben on August 23, 2000 at 17:32:23:

Ben,

I'm not sure that is exactly what is happening with my P3. When I load it and close the "action" everything seems fine. Now I take the safety off and go through the first stage of the trigger. When I try to go further I can't, its as thought the safety is still on. I then have to hit the pistol with the heal of my hand and then I can fire it. I tried one time to open the action but it was so hard I was afraid it would "over power" me as it snapped open with the piston full of compressed air.

Gary
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Msg. 278554  Posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:42:10:

In Reply to: 30 grn. pellet in RWS 54? posted by Bob Miller on August 23, 2000 at 18:23:28:



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Msg. 278552  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 18:41:13:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Spitfire posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 15:00:18:

The current guns no longer have the 'holding' problem, but the earlier ones wouldn't hold pressure beyond a day or so. Certainly not a problem while hunting or plinking, but a pain in the butt a couple days later. The problem IS fixable with the older guns. The fix appears to be that the surface finish where the valve seals needed to be improved. Early ones were rough, and caused a very slow leakdown. RB
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Msg. 278551  Posted by JRW on August 23, 2000 at 18:40:58:

In Reply to: Hobby VS. Hobby posted by matt sudol on August 23, 2000 at 17:59:02:

Sounds like you shoud join our AA(airgunaholics Anonimous) meeting at
http://www.airgunletter.net/forum/messages/278518.html
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Msg. 278550  Posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:40:55:

In Reply to: Why the dissertation if you're not, I repeat not, a hunter? Shock basically does the job with wound being secondary, I think. nt posted by icon on August 23, 2000 at 18:37:27:

And make sure to also explain how this pertains to his question.
I don't need to know. Another useless post.

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Msg. 278548  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 18:39:02:

In Reply to: Re: QB-1 Bulk Fill Thanks, but not interested in a hangy tank..... posted by JimC on August 23, 2000 at 16:43:30:

Jim

When did you get the QB-1? If you don't mind me askin where did you get and how much was it? Have you checked into the practicality and cost of the C02 in bulk? Have you shot the rifle yet and what kinda proformance did you get, power and accuracy. How many shots per charge?

Gary
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Msg. 278547  Posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:37:32:

In Reply to: Re: I hate to put you off whenever you ask a question, but: posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 18:08:00:

Many PCP's assume you'll have a scope; they don't come with open sights.
The Tasco rimfire scopes are considered to be substandard by many. But that's not the worst prospect you're facing.

As to the pump: Oh jeez, here's Cody Dotter again with his assumptions.
You're 4'7" and 110 lbs, right? My SO is 5'2 and 118 lbs, and when the gun is filled up halfway, she can't get the pump handle down even if she puts her full 118 lbs on it.

If YOU are going to get a PCP, you'll need a scuba bottle as well, sonny. Or you gotta learn to eat fast, or how to ask your dad to pump it.

peter


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Msg. 278546  Posted by icon on August 23, 2000 at 18:37:27:

In Reply to: Re: .177 Verses .22 posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:14:10:

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Msg. 278545  Posted by JRW on August 23, 2000 at 18:35:37:

In Reply to: ...and I am an " airgun addict " posted by Fred on August 23, 2000 at 17:14:32:

You've made the first step by admitting you have a problem.I too have the same problem.I am waiting for a big brown truck and a man wearing a brown uniform to set on my doorstep one 22 cal RWS 54.I have been anxious all day for it to arrive and can't wait for it to get here.I did not sleep well last night and I have no appetite.I'm already considering selling my Beeman S1 to get something like a TX200 or an R7.My only ray of hope is to pray to higher maker of pellets that the 54 will be a perfect airgun.I understand your pain man.
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Msg. 278544  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 18:35:14:

In Reply to: 707 with pointed ammo.. posted by Mac1 on August 23, 2000 at 16:53:49:

I went to your web site. There's a shuttle mod thingy. What does it do??? You say : When a gun has a shuttle mod you can use factory ammo, Kodiaks, Eley Magnums, and Crow Mags. Can the stock gun shoot any pellet as long as it's not pointed without the mod? If not how come? And where can I get factory ammo? And what is short ammo? Finally, what is the lightest pellet I can use in the CA 707? ThanX! <:o)
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Msg. 278543  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 18:35:03:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Spitfire posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 15:49:13:

Bing: the valving is located centrally-but closer to the trigger. The trigger is different than the standard Supersport trigger-- very crisp actually.
The power increase can be done by the shooter quite easily: remove the stock and pull the endcap off. You'll see a hole, inside of which is an Allen head set screw. Insert wrench and screw inwards to increase power(do this when reservoir pressure is low- prior to charging). Two turns raised my power 3 ft/lbs, and there was more to go. I've "heard" that 20 ft/lbs is acheivable, but at the cost of a lot of shots. Just guessing, but you may only get maybe ten shots from a charge at that level. At 14.8 ft/lbs, I get 25 good shots, plus 4 slower ones from a single charge. RB
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Msg. 278542  Posted by Driskill on August 23, 2000 at 18:28:42:

In Reply to: Whats the HARDEST HITTING 177 pellet for my P1??? nt posted by Jake S. on August 22, 2000 at 11:24:29:

I'm assuming you are asking this question to maximize short-range hunting efficiency. Try any good target-style flathead. My current favorite is the rather slow buy incredibly accurate RWS R-10.

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Msg. 278541  Posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:27:26:

In Reply to: Re: Alternative to an airgun posted by Jerry Rhodes on August 22, 2000 at 22:36:21:

I bow to you, Jerry. No irony in here, just the truth.

regards,
peter
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Msg. 278540  Posted by dirk dingle on August 23, 2000 at 18:26:55:

In Reply to: Re: ...and I am an " airgun addict " posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:52:39:

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Msg. 278539  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 18:26:13:

In Reply to: 30 grn. pellet in RWS 54? posted by Bob Miller on August 23, 2000 at 18:23:28:

Not a heck of a lot. That's twice as heavy as the pellets that should be used in that gun. The spring would not be very forgiving either. RB
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Msg. 278538  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 18:23:44:

In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:

David: I can't recall any Guns& Ammo articles about airguns that WEREN'T rife with errors. While it's great to see our toys get some positive attention once in a while, they should leave the airgun articles to airgun qualified writers. While I have numerous airguns in each of the 3 main calibers, and have hunted with them all; I would unquestionably give the nod to the .22 for putting food on the table. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 278537  Posted by Bob Miller on August 23, 2000 at 18:23:28:

Not that I would try it, but what would a RWS 707 22 cal. 30 gr. pellet do in a RWS 54 or 52?
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Msg. 278536  Posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:19:20:

In Reply to: ...and I am an " airgun addict " posted by Fred on August 23, 2000 at 17:14:32:

You might want to call it "to enhance your life". ;-)

Whether it helps or not I'm not sure about, though, said he who owns only 6 airguns.

cheers
peter
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Msg. 278535  Posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 18:18:40:

In Reply to: Craig: Stalker version? posted by Sloop on August 23, 2000 at 16:54:16:

Sorry but I'm not (yet) astalker type. I am awaiting delivery of a Daystate Mirage and Huntsman. Just idle curiosity about the spitfire, it sounds interesting.
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Msg. 278534  Posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:14:10:

In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:

Mike Pearson would be the authority on this, and he WILL come up with an answer, but in my humble, non-hunter opinion, that is fed with some knowledge of biology, the issue is not penetration per se, but tissue damage.

It would depend largely on the type of game you're after, but when trying to make a good clean kill, you would either want to:

1. try to disconnect the brain from the engine room by hitting the brain stem, which can be VERY hard;

2. try to demolish the brain altogether, for which you do not need maximum penetration (as soon as the pellet comes out at the other end, you're wasting energy that could be used for more tissue damage), but tissue damage;

3. try to make the blood pressure drop fast enough to have the brain disconnect itself instantly, which is supposedly best done by a heart/lung shot, taking out as much tissue as you can.

In order to attain 2 or 3, you need enough energy over as large a surface as you can get. When you manage to hit the quarry at the right place, speed no longer counts -- it's energy transfer that does the trick.
At the somewhat more substantial ranges, a heavier .22 pellet will generally retain more of its energy than a lightweight .177 pellet.

The trajectory of a heavier pellet is more football-like than that of a .177 pellet, so you'd need a good idea of your trajectory. Having that, the heavier pellet with the larger frontal area would be the way to go.
Your mileage, or rather that of the quarry you're after, may vary, though.

Last, discount my authority completely, since I am not, repeat NOT, a hunter... I'm just someone who is not horribly bad at accumulating and understanding information. So you might as well wait for Mike Pearson to drop in here.

peter


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Msg. 278533  Posted by Rick McAllister on August 23, 2000 at 18:13:57:

In Reply to: Re: My products available at the Nationals, new surprise product for FT. posted by M Boyle on August 23, 2000 at 15:27:53:

Well I'm here in St. Paul - Woodbury, MN with all of Joe's offering, so you'll just have to come to the range on Thursday and see.

Let me know if you can't make it, and I'll give you a couple more hints.

Rick.
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Msg. 278532  Posted by Rick McAllister on August 23, 2000 at 18:10:19:

In Reply to: Good Luck To All At U.S. Nat./Worlds posted by Phil Herman on August 23, 2000 at 09:53:17:

Hi Phil: Dave Goldfarb and I just arrived in Woodbury - St. Paul, MN at 6pm EST. What a trip. We drove from 6pm on Tuesday even, straight through to 7am Wednesday morning and only made it to Madison, WI. Extreme thunder storms and really bad fog early in the am made the trip even more difficult. We slept for a couple of hours and then drove the rest of the way in this afternoon. We are beat already and we haven't even fired a pellet. We should recover well by Friday morning however and are looking forward to shooting well.

I had no idea that you would not be here. I was all ready to compare or CR-X's and see what you'd think. I was looking forward to shooting with you some. Maybe in Youngstown on October 1st.

Since I have a good connection here, I'll try to post something each evening as this big match progresses.

Sorry you can't be here!! Take care of those kids too.

Rick and Dave's Excellent Adventure (so far)

RM
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Msg. 278531  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 18:08:00:

In Reply to: I hate to put you off whenever you ask a question, but: posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 17:38:39:

Open sights, OR a scope. I already have a scope. It's a 3-7 power scope. Don't know the name of it. And it's made by Tasco.
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Msg. 278530  Posted by CJ on August 23, 2000 at 18:05:24:

In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:

Think of it this way. Yes the .177 has flatter trajectory and greater accuracy. If the FPS is up in the same speed in .22 as in the .177 say 900FPS in .22 it will be flatter than a .22 doing 600FPS. In FPE just go this route, Would you like to be hit by a ping pong ball doing 500fps or a golf ball doing the same. Knock down power is knock down power.

CJ
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Msg. 278529  Posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 18:04:29:

In Reply to: .177 Verses .22 posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:

Wow.... counting on an airgun for survival - now there's a challenge.

Let me qualify my thoughts by saying that this is pure theoretical speculation. I think the debate regarding caliber has always fallen more favorably towards the .22 for the *small game* that normally is considered to be within the cpacity of an airgun in the first place. In this instance a .22 'is' capable of delivering (with a well placed shot) "stopping power". My guess would be that the thrust of the article you mentioned possibly meant to imply that when forced, out of necessity - in a survival situation- to attempt game larger than what is considered to be within an airgun's normal capacity the flatter trajectory, higher velocity and penetration - and perhaps better accuracy might be more effective?

Extreme situations call for extreme measure ... but I'd hate to have to rely them.

Just my thoughts,
Tim


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Msg. 278528  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 18:01:23:

In Reply to: Re: ...and I am an " airgun addict " posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:52:39:

Airguning is a fun addictive hobby. Also it can be dangerous. If you do dumb things. Air is not a toy. ;-) hehehe
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Msg. 278527  Posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 18:00:46:

In Reply to: Those scenes make the gun more accurate! (NT) posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:21:53:

Not really, that's just an illusion: if an animal gets a look at the panels, it'll sink to its knees in laughter, making it easier to draw a steady bead ;-)
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Msg. 278526  Posted by matt sudol on August 23, 2000 at 17:59:02:

It always happens to me every time I enter a sportshop I end up spending at least 150 there most of the time it is over 200. Every month I spend about 25$ on pellets mostley crosman premiers say 8.50 for 500ct , in .177 and .20 caliber. Then I always find something new to buy like a different sight peep or ramp then scopes, I just bought a Bushnell 8X32 75$. Bought a hurricane this month 145$ and mount 28$. Bought 2 slings at 40 each nice leather. So that is about 350 a month but generally about 400 between scopes , and updateing my gun(s). Then there is bow hunting pretty cheap you think right? I have a Martin jaguar 55-70# cost about 350.00 , predator sight 55 , carbon beeman ics hunter 75 , Easton super slam xx78 70$ , Quiver 35$, Release aid 35$ , Stabilizer 25$ , tips/heads 75$ (broadheads are 30 for 6!) Then throw in 200 worth of camo and 50 of sents. So that is like 750 worth of bow supplies. So I spend a few bucks and I only get to shoot my gun half a dozen times a month and the bow once a week. I AM HAPPY!
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Msg. 278525  Posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 17:56:42:

In Reply to: Ask the authorities on the subject--Texans. posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:57:50:

Texas? God's country? With attacks of 110 in the shade with 95% humidity, the occasional tornado to look forward to, and the heaviest polluted city in the USA?

Surely God would be able to afford better than that, wouldn't He?

;-)

peter


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Msg. 278524  Posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:52:39:

In Reply to: Re: ...and I am an " airgun addict " posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 17:26:24:

Cody, I think some have a Lot more than 60. You have a good start. Your kinda young to become a addict aren't you. heheheh
Good luck with your hobby (addiction) Dave
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Msg. 278523  Posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 17:46:45:

Back in about 1976 Guns and Ammo magazine had a bunch of articles called Survival. One of these was on the air gun for survival. There take on the caliber issue was .177 was better for hunting due to the fact that neither cal. had sufficient ft/lbs to rely on for stopping power. They chose the .177 due to flatter trajectory and greater accuracy. The theory was to rely on better shot placement and deeper penetration into the kill zone for stopping power.
On this forum everyone talks about ft/lbs as the important factor. What are some of your opinions on penitration verses ft/lbs. Do you have any expieriences with .177 verses .22 on the same type game and which one stops better.
Just curious.
Thanks Dave
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Msg. 278522  Posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 17:38:39:

In Reply to: I want your opinion. posted by Cody Dotter on August 22, 2000 at 20:16:04:

You have a $500 budget. The cheapest decent PCP around is a Career, and if you're lucky, you might get yourself a Career and a pump for that money.

Now what are you going to aim with?

peter
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Msg. 278521  Posted by ben on August 23, 2000 at 17:32:23:

In Reply to: P3 Safety Problem posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 14:03:44:

I've had this happen a few times...it seems to not fully cock, only set the safety. I recock the gun & it shoots normally.

Keep a good grip on it because you're experiencing the reverse of the effort expended to cock it.

The next time this happens, I'll take the cover off & poke around a bit.


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Msg. 278520  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 17:26:24:

In Reply to: ...and I am an " airgun addict " posted by Fred on August 23, 2000 at 17:14:32:

I'm only 11 and I have 3 airguns. A Daisy 880, a Daisy Red Ryder, and a pistol. I forgot what the pistol is called. And I'm considering a CA 707 in about 2 years. I think there are some gugys on this forum that might have 60 airguns! That's ALOT.
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Msg. 278519  Posted by Bob Miller on August 23, 2000 at 17:16:44:

In Reply to: Re: Full auto BB gun posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 08:18:23:

David,
I wish you hadn't told me about the Starfire.
Now I won't be satisfied until I get one..
Bob :o)
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Msg. 278518  Posted by Fred on August 23, 2000 at 17:14:32:

Hello, my name is Fred and I am an "airgun addict." Is there anything like AA that I can join. My wife is threating to leave me, my son has caught me borrowing his BB gun and I can not drive past any sporting goods store without "checking if they have any airguns. It started with a Crosman 1377 then went to a Benjamin/Sheridan 392 and HB22. I almost bought a Beeman Tempest today and I am sure I will have an R1 by the end of the year. When will it stop taking over my life?
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Msg. 278517  Posted by Bon Miller on August 23, 2000 at 16:58:32:

In Reply to: Re: Full auto BB gun posted by mikesb on August 23, 2000 at 12:38:09:

I remember seeing adds in magazines years ago about full auto bb guns that were powered by small cans of automotive Freon 12.
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Msg. 278516  Posted by Sloop on August 23, 2000 at 16:54:16:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Spitfire posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 15:00:18:

Craig:

Seems like I recall you are a Stalker person, so, have you seen the Stalker version of the Spitfire yet? Any reports on what mod's are made?

Sloop
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Msg. 278515  Posted by Mac1 on August 23, 2000 at 16:53:49:

In Reply to: Modifacations posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 14:50:09:

Is not going to happen. The closest thing to pointed you'll get is the Kodiak. When the pellets ride front to back in a magazine they need to slide off the next cleanly. That is why 400, 600, 118, Tayo Jukis and everything else with staked lead won't operate with points. They don't shoot that well anyway so be glad the domes do group about as well as anything. Flats, heavy hollows or domes. Take your pick.
The only aftermarket stocks I have heard of are done by Dave G. We don't offer any optional stocks.

Later

Tim
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Msg. 278514  Posted by Bob Miller on August 23, 2000 at 16:45:32:

In Reply to: Re: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds. posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 07:04:27:

RGunn You have a nice web page.
Bob
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Msg. 278513  Posted by JimC on August 23, 2000 at 16:44:08:

In Reply to: Re: QB-1 Bulk Fill posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 14:53:08:

I want to be able to fill using the ORIGINAL valve and tank. I will probably build a new extended tank and fill it from a large paintball tank.
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Msg. 278512  Posted by JimC on August 23, 2000 at 16:43:30:

In Reply to: Re: QB-1 Bulk Fill posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 14:53:08:

I want to be able to fill using the ORIGINAL valve and tank. I will probably build a new extended tank and fill it from a large paintball tank.
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Msg. 278511  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 16:43:19:

In Reply to: Re: How can you say you have enough money if you don't know what the gun costs? posted by Eric P. on August 23, 2000 at 16:34:42:

I wish I had a SCUBA tank. But I'll get a axor pump. Noise is not a problem. I'm pretty sure I wan't a PCP. about 99.9 % sure. ;-)
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Msg. 278510  Posted by Ken A. on August 23, 2000 at 16:35:46:

In Reply to: Buying an R7, What caliber? .177 or .20 posted by Ken A on August 23, 2000 at 11:37:32:

Thanks guys. I plan on doing some plinking in my garage and back yard. .177 cal sounds good.
Thanks Again,
Ken A
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Msg. 278509  Posted by Eric P. on August 23, 2000 at 16:34:42:

In Reply to: Re: How can you say you have enough money if you don't know what the gun costs? posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 06:23:26:

That's smart. I wish I had done the same years ago. Are you sure you want a PCP? They're accurate, powerful, but a real hassle to pump up. You could go to scuba tanks, but again, expensive. They are also very noisy. I'd give some nice spring guns(or gas rams) a chance first. They have sufficent power, much more inexpensive, and easy to maintain. Plus you'll be able to buy it sooner.
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Msg. 278508  Posted by M Boyle on August 23, 2000 at 16:22:00:

In Reply to: Re: Yes, and they're very dangerous...... posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:11:58:


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Msg. 278507  Posted by MarkD on August 23, 2000 at 16:19:55:

In Reply to: Re: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds. posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 07:04:27:

Randy you do have the perfect pet starlings how did you train them to lay so still for the picture this baffles me.
I have not seen any starlings around my place since around the time I got the HW97 I suppose it is mere coincidence hmmm
You know come to think of it Crows dont even fly near my house any more, they circle around my 4 acres.
nice site Randy
MarkD
p.s. Hey when you going to teach me to talk to the Coyotes
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Msg. 278506  Posted by Douglas on August 23, 2000 at 15:56:05:

In Reply to: Silent Pellet Trap: Simple Design. posted by Whiteleather on August 23, 2000 at 14:25:32:

and to think I was given a lot of carpet samplers
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Msg. 278505  Posted by Greg on August 23, 2000 at 15:50:55:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin Sheridan 392PA posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 15:48:55:

I have already ordered the Williams peep sight from Joe
at Golden Toller.
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Msg. 278504  Posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 15:49:13:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Spitfire posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 15:04:08:

Thanx just what I was interested in knowing. With the air resevoir located where a spring would normally be, is the valving setup located between the resevoir and the transfer port? If so is there a long trigger linkage?
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Msg. 278503  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 15:48:55:

In Reply to: Benjamin Sheridan 392PA posted by Greg on August 23, 2000 at 15:20:25:

Greg,

The changes were made somewhere around the first of the year. I agree, I like the new look. I have a new Sheridan and love the thing. I keep it in the truck as a "truck gun". I put a Williams peep on it. No question it's the way to go. The trigger is a little heavy but I don't mind it and it shoots straight so it's fine with me. Enjoy your new rifle. There a lot of fun.

Gary
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Msg. 278502  Posted by Doug Law on August 23, 2000 at 15:41:48:

Can anyone tell me when the last issue of Air Gun was published. I have the first issue in the fall of 1978, most of 1979 and the last issue I have is vol two, number two, april thru june of 1980,.
Also does anyone have Air Rifle Monthly issues one , two or three or the ARH annual catalogues for trade or sale?

Thanks again
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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Msg. 278501  Posted by M Boyle on August 23, 2000 at 15:39:09:

In Reply to: Re: good way of cleaning CP\Ben sher Dome posted by jon on August 23, 2000 at 09:12:57:

jon, i dont have a PCP, but many here will spray a paper towl and roll the pallets round in it..btw dont soak them in in the nail polish remover ..dampin a paper towl and push them around on it.i goofed and soaked them and the pellets turn white and funny looking. it was moved ez put it made me think the stuff could eat the pellets.wash hands after..it was revlon asitone free btw took less then 1 oz on a rag.
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Umarex Beretta or cp-99?


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Msg. 278500  Posted by Crane on August 23, 2000 at 15:35:49:

I have thought long and hard on this subject and have decided that a umarex beretta or cp99 suits my needs. These guns seem to work just like revolvers on the inside. Because revolvers are relatively simplistic, I believe that umarex guns would have less mechanical failures. Anyhow, I wanted to know which is a better buy, the beretta or the cp-99? Which groups better? How much shots per co2 out of each? And finally what kind of velocities out of each?

Thank you very much for your time I appreciate it,

Crane
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Re: My products available at the Nationals, new surprise product for FT.


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Msg. 278499  Posted by M Boyle on August 23, 2000 at 15:27:53:

In Reply to: My products available at the Nationals, new surprise product for FT. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 23, 2000 at 09:42:44:

wonder what the surprise is..
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Looking for gun info on the internet?


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Msg. 278498  Posted by Wilco Jerink on August 23, 2000 at 15:25:10:

Looking for a specific brand, or information about guns? Surf to:
The Schietsport.pagina.nl

Here you'll find all sorts of information about guns.

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Msg. 278497  Posted by Greg on August 23, 2000 at 15:20:25:

I recently purchased the above referenced air gun.
I was pleasantly surprised to learn that this airgun has
had some design changes (cosmitic only?) that make it
different from the rifles shown in the promotional photographs.

The 397PA now has a butt plate. All pictures I have ever seen
show this rifle with no butt plate. Also, the forearm is extended
almost to the end of the muzzle(just like the Blue Streaks).
Does anyone know when any of these changes were made?

Also, the trigger, while far from a gunsmithing object of beauty,
does not appear to be nearly as bad as the one that Ian Pellant describes
in his review of the Ben/Sher 397PA. Does anyone know when this change was made?

Thanks in advance,

Greg
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Way to use that resource Steve :-) (nt)


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Msg. 278496  Posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 15:15:40:

In Reply to: Re: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds. posted by Steve on August 23, 2000 at 10:21:56:


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Msg. 278495  Posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 15:13:20:

In Reply to: Re: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds. posted by Mike Pearson on August 23, 2000 at 14:16:59:

Ha, Ha, Ha, very funny Mr. P! If you keep up with statements like "life off the internet", people are going to figure out what an old (very old) fart you are! :-)
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Re: 6-18x50 swift scope. Need to read this.


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Msg. 278494  Posted by john on August 23, 2000 at 15:04:41:

In Reply to: Re: 6-18x50 swift scope. Need to read this. posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 23, 2000 at 09:14:03:

lol, the riser costs an extra 50 bucks. i guess it will be another couple of weeks before i can order my scope then. maybe i'll ask my parents if they'll spot me the fifty and when i get the cash i can pay them back. hmmmmmmm.
thnx marty and rbest,
john
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Re: BSA Spitfire


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Msg. 278493  Posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 15:04:08:

In Reply to: BSA Spitfire posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 14:09:55:

Go to the site below and read post numbers 558, and 559. Look around for other post about the "spit". You will find all kinds of info. on that rifle. HTH.

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Re: BSA Spitfire


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Msg. 278492  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 15:00:18:

In Reply to: BSA Spitfire posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 14:09:55:

Cost and turn around for modification...about $0 and about 2 minutes.
Big problem was that some of the guns would leak out after a couple days. Makes sure it's not one of those as they will not fix it for you. They say they can't help with those. If it's a new one and doesn't leak buy it take it out of it's stock and turn the allen headed screw for power adjustment, I't loctighted but it's easy to do.
I think about a 1/4 to a 1/2 turn will do it to get it up to about 14 FPE past 16 FPE there are not a lot of shots per fill.
If you are worried about the adjustment I'm sure we could take some pictures and post them for you.

Regards,
Craig
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Why not ask him, instead of us???? nt


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Msg. 278491  Posted by DougWall on August 23, 2000 at 14:59:03:

In Reply to: Modifacations posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 14:50:09:


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Msg. 278490  Posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 14:54:47:

In Reply to: Pomona Air Guns (good or bad experience) posted by Todd in Spokane on August 23, 2000 at 14:24:09:

Haven't purchased from Pomona, but have spoke with them on the phone. Based on conversation, I would trust them.

Many on the forum have purchased from Pomona, I haven't heard any complaints.
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Light Optics Works Website ?


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Msg. 278489  Posted by vZc® on August 23, 2000 at 14:54:22:

In Reply to: Hakko Website posted by Phil Herman on August 23, 2000 at 09:46:39:

same or a different company and a WEB site url ?
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Re: QB-1 Bulk Fill


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Msg. 278488  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 14:53:08:

In Reply to: QB-1 Bulk Fill posted by JimC on August 23, 2000 at 14:48:53:

Jim,

I think the site is Fun Supply. Go there and follow the thread about the QB-1. I think it will answer a lot of your questions.

Gary
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Morini162e


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Msg. 278487  Posted by Jerry on August 23, 2000 at 14:51:38:

Help!! Cant find my manual and want to adjust the velocity. I know I have to take the grips off but dont remember which adjustment to make. Appreciate the help.....
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Msg. 278486  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 14:51:06:

In Reply to: FX2000 And Max. ft/lb ??? posted by Omer on August 23, 2000 at 14:15:07:

Asked and answered SEVERAL times:

FX 2000 with Eleys will do at most 40 FPE.
No matter how many times you ask the answer isn't going to change.

Regards,
Craig

You want 80 FPE buy the career.

Eley bullets are 30.6 grains.
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Msg. 278485  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 14:50:59:

In Reply to: Pomona Air Guns (good or bad experience) posted by Todd in Spokane on August 23, 2000 at 14:24:09:

I bougth two R9's from Steve. Went out of his way to give me a hand. I had some special requests and he took care of them for me. I just bought a P3 from someone else because I couldn't get a hold of Steve one day. Anyway, the price for the pistol was different that the web site price. I learned to ask the price just don't assume. I had no problems with Pomona and would recommend him.

Gary
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Msg. 278484  Posted by James L on August 23, 2000 at 14:50:57:

In Reply to: Walther Air Gun posted by Dan on August 23, 2000 at 14:08:17:

Anything made by unimax is much better than a gamo. That said the gamo is ok too just not a unimax. If you are intrested I have a Gamo 45 for sale like new excellent condition $45.00 shipped us mail.
James L
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Msg. 278483  Posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 23, 2000 at 14:50:55:

In Reply to: Pomona Air Guns (good or bad experience) posted by Todd in Spokane on August 23, 2000 at 14:24:09:


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Msg. 278482  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 14:50:09:

Does Mac1 do any mods to the CA 707 so it can shoot pointed pellets? Also, does he make a thumbhole or a pistol grip stock? How much for the stock? How much for the pointed pellet thingy? ThanX!
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Msg. 278481  Posted by JimC on August 23, 2000 at 14:48:53:

Can the CO2 containers that come with the QB-1 be filled using standard paint ball hardware, or is an adapter needed? If an adapter is needed, where can I get one?
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Msg. 278480  Posted by Mitch on August 23, 2000 at 14:34:52:

In Reply to: No Joke! posted by Sled2live on August 23, 2000 at 14:09:44:

Just kidding, I didn't get one. I think this trophy belongs to Mike Reames. Fine looking example of a jackalope though.

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Silent Pellet Trap: Simple Design.


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Msg. 278479  Posted by Whiteleather on August 23, 2000 at 14:25:32:

Greetings!

I have finally figured out how to use my AOL server space.

I have put up my simple design for a silent pellet trap. I use it here when I sight in at 10m.

The file is in MS PowerPoint and MS Word. For the Word file, change the .ppt in the url to .doc.

The trap is cheap, effective and easy to make. I recommend it only for pumps and springers. I don't know if it will stand up to the big PCPs.

Let me know how the file looks from your perspective.

Regards,

Kris

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Msg. 278478  Posted by Todd in Spokane on August 23, 2000 at 14:24:09:

Has anyone purchased from these folks? They have the Beeman R-9 @ $ 229.00 and the P-3 @ $ 115.00.

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Msg. 278477  Posted by Tony Z on August 23, 2000 at 14:22:58:

In Reply to: P3 Safety Problem posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 14:03:44:

nt
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Re: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds.


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Msg. 278476  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 23, 2000 at 14:16:59:

In Reply to: Re: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds. posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 07:04:27:


Randy, your love and affection for our little feathered friends is simply too much and overwhelming! It sure is reassuring to know that there are still people like you in this world in light of the fact that there some (ruffians and brutes all) who would even go after and (unthinkable of unthinkables) raise their instruments of destruction towards our little friends!

Take Care, Mr.P

Randy, libraries have all kinds of books on bird feeding and you can get loads of information that way. There IS life off the internet highway (at least that's what I read the other day on uh, well, I forgot the web page but you just take my word for it okay? There is life off the internet!)
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Re: Benjamin 342


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Msg. 278475  Posted by Mac1 on August 23, 2000 at 14:16:12:

In Reply to: Benjamin 342 posted by jon on August 22, 2000 at 23:11:49:

Jon,
Since the gun has the predrilled holes for the Williams peep it indicates that it is a fairly late 342. Only the last few years of 342 production in the late 80's (feb 84 is your production date) had the holes. The bad news is if it needs a mlever they have been discontinued. So keep it lubed so you keep it serviceable. And don't let the pivots get sloppy or the problem will be no parts without paying the price asked. The good news is it is the same valve, piston and guts are used in that gun as a sheridan from the same era so the gun has more potential. It can even be steroid tuned with billet lever. That runs $115.

Later

Tim

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Msg. 278474  Posted by Omer on August 23, 2000 at 14:15:07:

Hi,
Has any one tried to pump out the max energy of fx2000 from a normal 14 grain pellet and from the eley magnum 28 grain or similar pellet?

Hopefully one has.....

plz let me know.....

Some one told me tht the carrer 707 was able to make 80 ft/lb ..... wow much close to .22 LR (100 ft/lb)

I hope if the fx2000 could make it.


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Msg. 278473  Posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 14:09:55:

As PSI only has 12ftlb 22cal in stock, I was wondering what the cost and turn around time is for a power modification up to 18-19 ftlb's? I understand that R.Best is "THE MAN" to make this so. And what other options are available. TIA
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No Joke!


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Msg. 278472  Posted by Sled2live on August 23, 2000 at 14:09:44:

In Reply to: That's a Jackalope - old western joke posted by Mike in Indy on August 22, 2000 at 23:10:03:

Hey we were hunting for them last weekend. The season in Utah is year round, with no limit. In fact we got about 15 of them on our morningf foray. They were all does though...this time! Scott
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Msg. 278471  Posted by Dan on August 23, 2000 at 14:08:17:

Hello.
I'm having a small problem. I am debating on weather to purchase the Gammo 45 air pistol, or the Walther CP99 air pistol. My problem is that I really don't know much about the Walther. I own a P99 and I'm quite familiar with Walther's quallity, but, if anyone could help me compare the CP99 to the Gammo 45, it would make it a lot easier. Reveiws anyone?

Thanks,
Dan
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Msg. 278470  Posted by A Roehm on August 23, 2000 at 14:07:02:

In Reply to: Re: Walther ppk posted by Jack Stinson on August 23, 2000 at 11:16:26:

I saw a chrome PPK on a German airgun site a while ago. Does anyone know when this gun is coming out? And what kind of groups does the PPK get and how many shots per 12gram? Thanks
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Msg. 278469  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 14:03:44:

I have had my P3 now for just a bit over a week. I love the thing. Quiet, accurate and just feels right in the hand. I do have a problem thought and thought I would as to see if anyone else experienced the same thing. This has happened a few times. I load the pistol normaly and reliease the safety. I can pull through the first stage of the trigger and then it stops. Just as though the safety was on. Now I have a loaded pistol in my hand that I can not discharge. I took the heal of my hand and gave it a sharp smack I was then able to fire the round. This as I have said before has happened a few times. Has anyone else had this problem and what did you do about it. I am gonna send it back for a replacement but wonder if this is a prevenlent problem with the P3.

Gary
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Msg. 278468  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 23, 2000 at 14:02:04:

In Reply to: Buying an R7, What caliber? .177 or .20 posted by Ken A on August 23, 2000 at 11:37:32:


.177 makes sense to me for this gun (as much as I love the .20 caliber in other guns) for the reasons Craig outlined also for another. The R-7's forte' as I see it is as a plinker and perhaps some informal target shooting ----- definitely a fun, relaxing type of gun to shoot. Well, .177 is the least expensive in pellets cost-wise and for most plinkers (who tend to shoot ALOT) this is an important asset to figured in. Yep, .177 makes the most sense for an .177 to this airgunner! --- Mr.P
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Msg. 278467  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 13:53:54:

In Reply to: Re: Hakko Website posted by LOU V.K. on August 23, 2000 at 13:39:33:

No

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278466  Posted by Mike V on August 23, 2000 at 13:46:35:

In Reply to: answers posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 23, 2000 at 13:06:27:

I posted on here about _____, as I wanted one. Within 10 hours I was visited by a plain clothes ATF agent. I asked for his badge and particulars.

It was them alright. He was in the area reviewing FFL logs and payed me a visit-doorway only, and he said this was only a notification that _____ are illegal and it is a federal offence to solicite them on the Internet.

He told me they can track my ISP to my house and if it continued they would be back-this time the results would not be so friendly-So I'm outta here.
Thanks but no thanks, I'm scared! Mike V.
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Msg. 278464  Posted by LOU V.K. on August 23, 2000 at 13:42:31:

In Reply to: Hi Ho, Hi Ho I'm off to shoot some Mo! posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 23, 2000 at 09:13:02:

I have to wait until my buddy Janis gets off from work, at about 2200 tonight. I will see you up there. Drive safely.

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Msg. 278463  Posted by Singson Tiu on August 23, 2000 at 13:41:29:

In Reply to: Re: Super 10 posted by Raymond on August 23, 2000 at 12:01:36:

Seldom do I respond to AGL forum post, but this particular post, I have to voice out. The manner that you have asked your questions do disturbed me. Your last part of your question, "aren't you worried?". Yes, I am really worried. I'm worried with people like you who have been asking this type of questions. "is he a citizen of the US or living here
illegally?" If you asked this type of question, couldn't I also asked you this "Are you an anti-gun nuts who is just pretending to love airguns?" Enough is enough in dealing with this issue. The worse part is mentioning people's name in this issue. Keep it to yourself or e-mail the person who is asking. Since you didn't put your e-mail address, I'll do the same. But anyway, with other post you can find my e-mail address.
Singing the Blues,
Singson

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Msg. 278462  Posted by LOU V.K. on August 23, 2000 at 13:39:33:

In Reply to: Re: Hakko Website posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 13:16:05:


Do you mean like my old 30X56, with satin chrome finish ?
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Msg. 278461  Posted by Mac1 on August 23, 2000 at 13:38:56:

In Reply to: Does anyone here own a Crosman 2289? Any modifications possible? posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:55:18:

I haven't figured out how to push the system without stressing it excessively. We have the mods that make it more accurate, give it a better trigger and a more ridgid mounting arrangement for the butt stock. We put the Extended probe in them and redo the chamber and crown. These guns get lots more accurate but I would suggest a 2100 if you want more power or a used benjamin if the budget is tight.

Later

Tim
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Msg. 278460  Posted by Mac1 on August 23, 2000 at 13:33:30:

In Reply to: Who sells 9mm career barel posted by MCG on August 23, 2000 at 12:29:23:

I have the factory Shin-Sung barrel on hand. They are $50 plus $4 shipping.

Later

Tim

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Msg. 278459  Posted by jon on August 23, 2000 at 13:20:05:

In Reply to: Did Joe at Golden Toller change phone #'s and URL? posted by Jim G. on August 23, 2000 at 11:38:09:

Try this, I believe he did change his ISP a few months back.

-jon-

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Msg. 278458  Posted by jon on August 23, 2000 at 13:17:10:

In Reply to: Crosman 166 BB repeater........... posted by Darry H on August 23, 2000 at 09:51:38:

Try the URL below. There is currently an auction on yahoo for two of these.

-jon-

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Msg. 278457  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 13:16:05:

In Reply to: Re: Hakko Website posted by Raymond on August 23, 2000 at 13:13:01:

I was thinking maybe some stuff in 56mm.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278456  Posted by Bubba on August 23, 2000 at 13:15:22:

In Reply to: I hope you aren't using that metal trap indoors! posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 20, 2000 at 13:04:19:

Well, Doc, I am using that trap indoors. Shooting at a distance of 10m, with low powered pistols and rifles. Usually under 600fps. I did try a magnum air rifle (approx 935fps, with CP 7.9) on the target, indoors, and I heartly agree that some vaporization, and fragmentation does occur. I quit that. I have no children to crawl on the floor, and unless I am intoxicated or incapacitated, I do not cralw on the floor either. And I never breathe when emptying the trap into the garbage. I read your research on the effects of lead, and was impressed with your knowledge, and writing ability. I like the steel traps, cause you can use them indoors, or outdooer, and if used outdoors, they may be left in the rain, snow, or whatever, with no structural damage, and still do the job fro which they were intended. I would question the ability of the putty to stand up to such abuse. As to the cosmetics, of course the individual finish, and the commitment to maintain that finish would resolve that issue.

Respectfully,
Bubba

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Msg. 278455  Posted by Raymond on August 23, 2000 at 13:13:01:

In Reply to: Re: Hakko Website posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 11:31:36:

Craig, sounds good to me. I was looking for a 1" Superb scope about 4-16 power with a 40-45mm objective lens. Anyone else interested?
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Msg. 278454  Posted by Marianillo on August 23, 2000 at 13:10:36:

In Reply to: Walther ppk posted by Christopher Robins on August 23, 2000 at 10:52:56:

I have the same one and share the feeleings about it.
I only had a couple problems with it that can easily solved.
The triger starts failing when you want to do rapid fire. Once you release it, it doesn't shot back. When I sripped it up I found that there is a little pin close from the hammer that seems to be the axis of the retention piece from the hammer that goes out a little bit. At the other side the same pin gides the safety lever and once it goes out the lever tends to stay in an intermediate position between fire and safe.
Push the pin in back and aply just a tiny bit of Loctite to the hole.
Another problem I had is that the out of ammo receiver retention lever wears and doesnt retain the receiver anymore. The lever is the piece of metal wit a little spring that comes out when you dissasemble it.
You have to put it in a vise and very carefully bend it up. Carefully here because you can break it. I broke that piece on mine and now surprisingly works more reliably than before. The only difference is that the receiver stay a couple milimeters forward when you run out of BB balls.
I'm not telling you to break the piece, It works broken but is not desirebly.
I tell you these things because mine failed after 200 shots an one of my friend's after only 50 shots.
After the repairing didnt fail anymore.
Have fun the toy is great.
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Msg. 278453  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 23, 2000 at 13:06:27:

In Reply to: Re: Super 10 posted by Raymond on August 23, 2000 at 12:01:36:

There are a number of people making and selling airgun sound modification devices (silencers). The price ranges from $150 on up. He is a citizen and very well respected by everyone in this forum to my knowledge as an upstanding citizen and airgun guru.

The language of the law is available on a number of sites (ATF / Federal Register). The language states that any silencers or parts thereof that are INTENDED to be used on a FIREARM are illegal unless you pay the firearm tax of $200. Taking the language very literally, I do not beleive that AIRGUN silencers are illegal since they are not INTENDED to be used on a firearm. The ones I have seen would most likely be destroyed on the first shot. Those used in .177 cal are almost certainly safe since they cannot be used on a .22 at all unless modified. Those .22 cal and above are a little tenuous depending on the design.

The part about being permanently mounted only has to do with labeling the device. Firearms must be labeled with the manufacturer name, etc. If the device is permanently mounted to the gun, then it itself does not need labelled. This has nothing to do with legality if its permanently mounted. Now a barrel with a built in silencer that could not be removed most likely would be safe since it could not be mounted to a firearm and be used as a silencer.

Now that is my interpretation of the law. I would not like to be the test case, nor would anyone else here at this forum. We are currently operating in a grey area that suits us all for the time being. I do beleive if the law was tested in a .177 caliber silencer INTENDED for use on an AIRGUN, that the owner of the device would prevail.

The law does state that manufacture of silencers intended for use on FIREARMS and parts INTENDED for use on FIREARMS silencers are illegal unless the tax is paid. Since washers, cardboard tubes, tissue paper, pillows, etc can be used as silencers, they are not declared illegal just because they can be used as silencers. They are illegal and you have broken the law when you take those parts and assemble them to make a silencer intended for use on a firarm.

There may be local laws in your area that are not addressed above. I know ther are none in West Virginia or any of the cities I shoot in.

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Is there one for Sheridan's???? N/T


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Msg. 278452  Posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 12:57:06:

In Reply to: Try this site. posted by Chavez on August 23, 2000 at 00:17:42:

N/T
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Re: Hi Ho, Hi Ho I'm off to shoot some Mo!


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Msg. 278451  Posted by JRW on August 23, 2000 at 12:55:38:

In Reply to: Hi Ho, Hi Ho I'm off to shoot some Mo! posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 23, 2000 at 09:13:02:

Which world would that be?Watch out for the storm troopers.Have fun.Wish I could go too.
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Re: Alternative to Airgun: Traditional Archery, Baby!


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Msg. 278450  Posted by Bubba on August 23, 2000 at 12:44:19:

In Reply to: Alternative to Airgun: Traditional Archery, Baby! posted by Whiteleather on August 23, 2000 at 08:47:48:

So, they lured you in with BBQ, and now yer hooked on archery. Well, if we had to lose you to another sport, at least you picked one that some of us can appreciate. I have never ever used a compound bow, or modern cross bow, and have no desire to do so. Them long bows was good enough several hundered years ago, and they still have a following today. That tradition is worthy of my respect. Course the re-curve and semi recurve bows also date back to the Turks, or Bizentine empires, maybe China too. BUT you never saw any wheels on the damn things. Whiteleather, I applaud your good taste in hobbies. I am not a participant in archery at this time. Trying to learn to shoot 10s with 10m pistols and rifles.

I'm done now.

Respectfully,
Bubba
the guy that sold you the sight for your Ben/Sher.
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Re: Here is just a question of curiosity. About laws (fun).


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Msg. 278449  Posted by mikesb on August 23, 2000 at 12:41:25:

In Reply to: Re: Here is just a question of curiosity. About laws (fun). posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:13:48:

In my community bordering Pittsburgh, you pretty much can't fire an airgun at all. So I just wondered if anyone else had that problem. Though no one has called the cops yet.
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Re: Full auto BB gun


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Msg. 278448  Posted by mikesb on August 23, 2000 at 12:38:09:

In Reply to: Re: Full auto BB gun posted by pilkguns on August 23, 2000 at 06:49:28:

Is the MacGlashan the Mini-Vulcan?
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Re: I'm just around the corner in Forney. (nt)


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Msg. 278447  Posted by Bill A on August 23, 2000 at 12:32:51:

In Reply to: I'm just around the corner in Forney. (nt) posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:41:13:

John Sa
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Who sells 9mm career barel


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Msg. 278446  Posted by MCG on August 23, 2000 at 12:29:23:

See subject...

Grtz.

M.
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Re: Career barrel threads


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Msg. 278445  Posted by MCG on August 23, 2000 at 12:26:55:

In Reply to: Career barrel threads posted by Don on August 22, 2000 at 18:03:13:


Yes the threads are M10x1 i have made 4 silencers for the career so no mistake M10x1..

Grtz.

M.

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Re: Buying an R7, What caliber? .177 or .20


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Msg. 278444  Posted by Bubba on August 23, 2000 at 12:19:13:

In Reply to: Buying an R7, What caliber? .177 or .20 posted by Ken A on August 23, 2000 at 11:37:32:

Ken,
I'm with Swinson on this one. I have owned both. I still have a tuned R-7 in .177. A sweet shooter. The .20 cal was the "Goldfinger" model, and that particular rifle would not group for me or my Friendly Local Dealer. Was returned to Beeman. The best thing on the "Goldfinger is the muzzel brake. I am told that they are not available as a separate item. The scope warnt too bad neither. Bout the onliest thing that would replace my R-7 in .177cal is an R-8 in similar condition. The R-8 is everything that the R-7 almost is. Just a little more velosity, and a smidgeon more cocking effort, and in my experience no loss in accuracy.

I'm done now.

Respectfully,
Bubba
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Re: Help! I need the email address to " the book butler "


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Msg. 278443  Posted by Book Butler on August 23, 2000 at 12:08:49:

In Reply to: Help! I need the email address to " the book butler " posted by karl on August 23, 2000 at 10:31:04:

Hello Karl, your book was shipped on Monday 08/21 email me for further details.
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Re: Super 10


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Msg. 278442  Posted by Raymond on August 23, 2000 at 12:01:36:

In Reply to: Re: Super 10 posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 23, 2000 at 09:10:58:

alan sells silencers for guns? how much do they cost? will he ship it to me in the mail? is he a citizen of the US or living here illegally? does he make them in 22 caliber? what caliber was your gun? did you have to pay a tax on it? isn't that illegal? are you breaking the law in your own state? are you breaking any federal laws by having one? aren't you worried? thanx
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Re: Correct pistol sight picture....?


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Msg. 278441  Posted by Jon van Ark on August 23, 2000 at 11:52:34:

In Reply to: Correct pistol sight picture....? posted by Crane on August 22, 2000 at 23:56:35:

Here's a link to a page that has "The US Army Marksmanship Unit Manual (Pistol)
available. I believe it's a .pdf file. Very
good read.

http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/afl/801/
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Was just at his site, He's closed this week.nt


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Msg. 278440  Posted by Joe Whittaker on August 23, 2000 at 11:40:11:

In Reply to: Did Joe at Golden Toller change phone #'s and URL? posted by Jim G. on August 23, 2000 at 11:38:09:

nt
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Re: Buying an R7, What caliber? .177 or .20


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Msg. 278439  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 11:39:37:

In Reply to: Buying an R7, What caliber? .177 or .20 posted by Ken A on August 23, 2000 at 11:37:32:

.177 as the R-7 is a bit anemic when it comes to power and a heavier pellet just makes it slower and a more bowed trajectory.

Regards,
Craig
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Did Joe at Golden Toller change phone #'s and URL?


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Msg. 278438  Posted by Jim G. on August 23, 2000 at 11:38:09:

Been trying the Phone # I had used before, but no answer. Ditto the URL. Please advise if you know the above. Thanks
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Msg. 278437  Posted by Ken A on August 23, 2000 at 11:37:32:

Hello,

I have decided to buy a Bemman R7. What caliber would you recommend and Why?
Thank you.
Ken A.
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Anybody know the pattent numbers on the BKL's?


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Msg. 278436  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 11:34:47:

And which part of the mount is under said pattent?

Regards,
Craig
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Re: Hakko Website


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Msg. 278435  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 11:31:36:

In Reply to: Hakko Website posted by Phil Herman on August 23, 2000 at 09:46:39:

Now if we could only get enough people together to order the minimum of one kind we would be set!

Regards,
Craig
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Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum


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Msg. 278434  Posted by Mitch on August 23, 2000 at 11:25:45:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by john from NY on August 23, 2000 at 09:34:59:

Forum is moderated, looks like moderator is either behind in her duties or didn't think my comments were worth posting. I vote for the latter.
These bozos are suggesting that people complain to geocities about Steve's web page encouraging "cruelty to animals". I've viewed Steve's page, these people are nuts. Funny that the vast majority see themselves as the birds' parents, not pet owners.

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Re: Walther ppk


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Msg. 278433  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 23, 2000 at 11:16:26:

In Reply to: Walther ppk posted by Christopher Robins on August 23, 2000 at 10:52:56:

My manual explained the process;

Pull down on the front of the trigger guard and then remove the slide. Watch the little sheetmetal piece on the left side though...it will fly out. This is the piece that senses when the magazine is empty.

hth, Jack


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Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum


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Msg. 278432  Posted by Steve Forbes on August 23, 2000 at 10:53:09:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 20:15:59:

Thats It!! We arn't Killing starlings, we are testing to see if they are native or not.

Go Craig! 2 Points

LOL

Happy shooting

Steve
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Walther ppk


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Msg. 278431  Posted by Christopher Robins on August 23, 2000 at 10:52:56:

just bought a new gun yesterday, the blowback ppk. When I took the first shot I was laughing so hard, I was like "holy cool!!!" I couldn't believe how real it felt to shoot, kick and everything. Lots of fun!!! One thing though, all the ads in the magazines say that this gun is field stripable, however the manual doesn't show any of this, does anyone know step by step how to do this??
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Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum


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Msg. 278430  Posted by Steve Forbes on August 23, 2000 at 10:44:16:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 23:38:36:

Thats what started this whole thing in the first place. I posted a report by an Indiana State Biologist on the subject and emailed the report to the two gals that run the site. Now all of the sudden I am a gun nut and need help, so everyone there jumps on the let's get the guy with the gun band wagon. Just remember this, it is a censored forum and the only version of things that will ever see the light of day there is theirs.

Thanks

Happy shooting

Steve


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Very BAD IDEA


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Msg. 278429  Posted by Steve Forbes on August 23, 2000 at 10:35:42:

In Reply to: Challenge!!!! posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:35:10:

The next thing you know they are trying to get the AGLF shut down.

Not good for any of us, let the tree huggers keep their damn birds, at least they are in a cage were they cant hurt anything.

Thanks

Steve

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Help! I need the email address to " the book butler "


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Msg. 278428  Posted by karl on August 23, 2000 at 10:31:04:

I was supposed to receive the book "know your sheridans" last saturday, and it still hasn't arrived. I am thinking he may have mailed it to an incorrect address. Please let me know how I can contact him to verify my address and that he shipped it. Thanks again!
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Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum


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Msg. 278427  Posted by Steve Forbes on August 23, 2000 at 10:28:06:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Mitch on August 23, 2000 at 07:57:03:

You hit the nail on the head there Mitch. The email that I sent was information on the derstuctive side of the starling.

Nothing threatning at all.

Oh well, I will keep my Blue birds, woodpeckers and pirple martins and well, they can keep their starlings.

Happy Shooting

Steve

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Re: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds.


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Msg. 278426  Posted by Steve on August 23, 2000 at 10:21:56:

In Reply to: Re: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds. posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 07:04:27:

Too funny, I did the same thing. Only I used my private email address.

They gave me all kinds of help with bait "ummm I mean food".

Nice bunch of folks that just dont have or dont want to see the whole picture.

Happy Shooting

Steve

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Re: Scope for IZH 61


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Msg. 278425  Posted by TCooper on August 23, 2000 at 10:21:30:

In Reply to: Scope for IZH 61 posted by MCunningham on August 22, 2000 at 23:55:08:

I mounted a Bushnell Sportview 3-9 with adjustable objective (79-0039). I used Burris rimfire rings.
This combo works great for the distances a -61 is capable of.
The front bell on the sportview is 32mm so it can be mounted low enough for comfortable shooting. If you get a scope that is too large, you have to mount it up so high that shooting feels awkward(IMHO).
FWIW,
Todd
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Re: Starling Lovers Board, Recomendation This is America Right.


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Msg. 278424  Posted by Steve Forbes on August 23, 2000 at 10:15:39:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Board, Recomendation This is America Right. posted by JRW on August 23, 2000 at 02:07:14:

No judgment at all, at least the starlings are in a cage where they can do no harm.

It is a moderated forum so the people there are not getting an accurate view of the destruction of this bird.

Very sad for the most part.

Thanks

Steve

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Good Luck To All At U.S. Nat./Worlds


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Msg. 278423  Posted by Phil Herman on August 23, 2000 at 09:53:17:

Best of luck to all, I wish I could join you but being an Athletic Trainer at a high school at the start of football season means I can't get away. Hope to see some of you at upcoming state matches. I'm planning to get to Indy, Michigan (home state), Illinois, Ohio, and cross my figures to Wade's Halloween Shoot.
Phil Herman

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Crosman 166 BB repeater...........


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Msg. 278422  Posted by Darry H on August 23, 2000 at 09:51:38:

I am thinking about trying to buy one of these.
I have no experience with it, so I would welcome comments.
I recently picked up a Benjamin 30/30, which is also a BB repeater, and it started me searching for similar guns.
If you have one for sale, drop me a E-mail.
Thanks
Good Shootin!!
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Hakko Website


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Msg. 278421  Posted by Phil Herman on August 23, 2000 at 09:46:39:

For those Hakko fans I came across the Japanese website.
Phil Herman

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My products available at the Nationals, new surprise product for FT.


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Msg. 278420  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 23, 2000 at 09:42:44:

My friend Rick McAllister will have a good supply of my airgun wood products at the meet. The prices are discounted since I don't have to include shipping in the price. He will have Crossman Premier Kaleidoscopes, Wood twist pens with a rifle clip, Wood pen tool kits, Wood pellet wine bottle stoppers, a few perfume pens for your significant others and a special surprise for the FT crowd. Sorry no Pellet traps, just too much to carry. I do have finished cherry traps available now and a solid pine trap for anyone interested.

The special surprise is a device to aid you in your FT endeavours. It makes something much easier, looks great and is a little artistic too. There are two models. The ones for sale are the prototypes, but they work great. The final versions will be for sale at the Damascus and Roanoke shows. I don't even have a picture of these yet.

For those interested in the wine bottle stoppers, they are wad cutter match style pellets. There are only 4 and one is made of kingwood and is quite striking.

To see pictures of all of the above, including the pens and pen tool kits being taken to the show, see my web site. Sorry, no pictures of the surprise yet. I will post some just before the Damascus show.

Don't forgot to stop by and see Dave G's Career stocks in person.

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Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum


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Msg. 278419  Posted by john from NY on August 23, 2000 at 09:34:59:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Mitch on August 23, 2000 at 07:57:03:

It's not up there. they must have deleted it.
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Re: Challenge!!!!


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Msg. 278418  Posted by john from NY on August 23, 2000 at 09:30:24:

In Reply to: Challenge!!!! posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:35:10:

I was considering posting last night, but I didn't. funny stuff.
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Re: VORTEK Gas Rams


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Msg. 278417  Posted by ewoodie on August 23, 2000 at 09:26:41:

In Reply to: VORTEK Gas Rams posted by Ron on August 23, 2000 at 05:40:14:

No, I think Vortek is a bit dead, a freind of me has a Vortek set in the RWS/Diana 52, but is loosing power/ pressure after one tin pellets.
I know one, who have a THEOBEN gasstrut in a Patriot, he like it but it needs more force to cock it, and give a fast , but not harsh recoil.
The cocking is very smooth.
And it worked without power loose

shoot safe ewoodie

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WSC FT Match 8/20 Results


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Msg. 278416  Posted by Mark Lisowski on August 23, 2000 at 09:23:41:

The results from the WSC FT Match held 8/20 are
now posted on the website listed below. Next
match is schedules for 9/17 and will be the
Massachusetts State Championships. This course is
planned to have a difficulty factor of between 33
and 35 (per Brad Troyers charts). We will also
have a BBQ after the match. See you all there.

Mark


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Sure there just not illegal to order? (nt)


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Msg. 278415  Posted by john from NY on August 23, 2000 at 09:21:34:

In Reply to: Re: Alternative to an airgun posted by Gruny on August 22, 2000 at 23:11:15:

nt
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Re: Chinese B3-1 : not 'AK47' model


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Msg. 278414  Posted by MikeZ on August 23, 2000 at 09:18:41:

In Reply to: Chinese B3-1 : not 'AK47' model posted by Alan on August 23, 2000 at 01:54:50:

Quality will vary with each one. Out of the box it will shoot 1" to 2" at 10 meters. If you know how to take it apart, relube, and do some cleaning it can group better.

Power is moderate. Very solid built thought, just isn't accurate. Mine is made by Pioneer, not Industry.

MikeZ
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Re: Modify a pneumatic/co2 air rifle,


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Msg. 278413  Posted by john from NY on August 23, 2000 at 09:18:19:

In Reply to: Modify a pneumatic/co2 air rifle, posted by Greg S on August 22, 2000 at 23:35:38:

Might want to talk to mac1, www.mac1airgun.com

-good luck-
john
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special licence for minors


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Msg. 278412  Posted by Torsten on August 23, 2000 at 09:16:10:

In Reply to: Dont you have to be over 18? posted by Tyler on August 23, 2000 at 04:25:54:

There exists a licence for 12-18 year old people
called "Possession Licence for Minors".
This licence allow you to posses and use a firearm,
but it does not allow you to 'acquire' firearms.
My book does not explain how you can possibly possess
a firearm without first acquiring it!

You might want to call the Canadian Firearms Centre
to get more information:
1-800-731-4000 or www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca

I realize this is getting a bit complex, but I would
still recommend you go for it. Getting that license
will allow you to purchase ANY non-restricted firearm,
and ammo....

Send my some email if you have more questions...

BTW - If you are dying to get a good rifle without a
PAL, I would highly recommend the Slavia 631. I bought mine
at a local Home Hardware for cdn$149 and love it.
Actually I like it better than my Diana 54 for general
target shooting. It's really sweet and accurate with
only a $14 scope from Carppy Tire!
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Re: 6-18x50 swift scope. Need to read this.


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Msg. 278411  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 23, 2000 at 09:14:03:

In Reply to: Re: 6-18x50 swift scope. Need to read this. posted by john on August 23, 2000 at 00:59:26:

John,

Yes that is the item you need. It will raise your current mount up high enough for the 50mm AO bell to clear your barrel, and give you .028 droop compensation, you take off your mount, put the riser on, and then put your mount on top of the riser.

HTH
Marty
SSSports

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Hi Ho, Hi Ho I'm off to shoot some Mo!


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Msg. 278410  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 23, 2000 at 09:13:02:

Off to the Worlds today. Hope to see lots of you up there! ;^D
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Re: good way of cleaning CP\Ben sher Dome


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Msg. 278409  Posted by jon on August 23, 2000 at 09:12:57:

In Reply to: good way of cleaning CP\Ben sher Dome posted by M Boyle on August 23, 2000 at 00:56:36:

When you say to lube with slick 50 can you explain a little more? I know what slick 50 is, I'm just not sure how to apply it and how much to apply.

Thanks,

-jon-
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Re: this sounds like one big friggin lie - NO ITS NOT


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Msg. 278408  Posted by Mastek on August 23, 2000 at 09:11:30:

In Reply to: Re: this sounds like one big friggin lie posted by M Boyle on August 22, 2000 at 22:19:37:

If you read my original post, you will note that I didn't kill the gulls. Just ruffled tham a bit and they flew away to bother someone else.

Second, you can choose to believe me or not, although I prefer not to be called a liar. Even though I'm new to air guns, I am an experienced long range pistol shooter. I used iron sights off a sand bag, and claimed a relatively low percentage of hits.

Lastly, the point of the post was about the P1, not the gulls. I won't debate the legality issue, but these things are real pests around here, and cause a lot of property damage.
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Msg. 278406  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 23, 2000 at 09:11:04:

In Reply to: Super 10 posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 07:45:37:

Try the dealers. Airguns of Arizona, Precision Sales, etc. I paid $780 for mine plus the filling adapter plus shipping. I recommend and extra clip or 2. Mine was .177 not .22. If you are interested in a hearing protection device for the Superten, you could also call Alan Zasadny and buy the gun and attachment from him.

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Msg. 278405  Posted by john from NY on August 23, 2000 at 09:11:01:

In Reply to: Super 10 posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 07:45:37:

The .22 ones cost $750, gun only from straightshooters.com

It looks like a top-notch gun.

-john
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Msg. 278404  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 23, 2000 at 09:10:58:

In Reply to: Super 10 posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 07:45:37:

I got mine from Alan Zasadny and had him put a moderator on it. I believe the whole setup ran about $875 or so. I bought a couple of other things at the same time so I don't remember the exact figure. Call him for details at 847 838-0187 central time. He's going to the Worlds in Minn today so he won't be back until sunday night.
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Msg. 278403  Posted by Steve King on August 23, 2000 at 09:07:36:

I need to get the email for Mr. Bulk. If anyone has it, could you please e-mail it to me? Thanks
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Msg. 278402  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 09:05:01:

In Reply to: I want your opinion. posted by Cody Dotter on August 22, 2000 at 20:16:04:

A bit pricey and it doesn't metion the filler but that would seem to be a "first price" as you can get them cheaper new so negotiate. Granted it comes with the airstream but a lot of guys thow that in on a new sale.

Regards,
Craig

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Msg. 278401  Posted by Stocky on August 23, 2000 at 09:02:07:

In Reply to: DUMMIES!!! It was Josh Randle played by steve mcqueen, Nick Adams played Johnny Yuma the REBEL who later committed suicide, was also in " Rebel without a cause " with Dennis Hopper in small parts. posted by dirk dingle on August 23, 2000 at 00:34:56:

Dirk,
It's true what they say.
You "are" a know it all.
Good answer!
Stocky
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Msg. 278400  Posted by Douglas on August 23, 2000 at 08:56:50:

In Reply to: Challenge!!!! posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:35:10:

One of the posters named Diane is an NRA member and remember firearms will always prevail over airguns! These people like them as pets they only want to live in harmony with the little creatures (Jeez I am beginning to talk just like them!!!! Help!)

Leave them alone and respect them for their choice just as they will respect you for yours. My rights end where other people's rigths begin. You should know that!
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Msg. 278399  Posted by Whiteleather on August 23, 2000 at 08:47:48:

In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

Eli,

My airguns are gathering dust thanks to my renewed interest traditional archery. I have have been using a longbow made by:

http://www.montananet.com/hharchery/

and ordered a flatbow from a fellow out your way at:

http://www.silcom.com/~bowyery

If you want to get involved in one of the shooting sports with a rich and diverse history, I suggest that you start researching traditional or primitive archery. Start by looking at the bowyers (guys/girls who make bows) at the the URL below.

Regards,

Kris

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Msg. 278398  Posted by Douglas on August 23, 2000 at 08:41:16:

In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

Best of all they are Do It Yourself projects. If you show initiative by doing things yourself rather than buying maybe mom will let you have the other manufactured toys!
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Msg. 278397  Posted by CJ on August 23, 2000 at 08:30:09:

Do to the high amount of E-mail I have changed my account to cjpitts@go.com. If you have questions about the tune contact me there.
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Msg. 278396  Posted by David Bruce on August 23, 2000 at 08:18:23:

In Reply to: Full auto BB gun posted by Jon Powell on August 23, 2000 at 01:56:05:

Jon, Check out this url. Dave

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Msg. 278394  Posted by docwells on August 23, 2000 at 08:01:43:

In Reply to: Re: 4-12x40 Bushnell Banner vs, Simmons Proair posted by Steve B. on August 23, 2000 at 00:10:06:

Just got one the other day, and it's a fun little gun. I have to agree with the previous post and would even go farther and say that you would be well served with a fixed 4x scope. The effective range is really within 25 or so meters and 4x should be enough at that range.
MHO,
docwells

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Msg. 278393  Posted by Mitch on August 23, 2000 at 07:57:03:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 16:51:49:

I posted a message on the starling forum:
Diane, let me see if I have this right:
You never saw what Steve wrote, yet you are sure it was a threat. You never saw what he wrote, yet you are sure he is a creep. If Steve is the person I think he is, he is your typical bird nut who hates wild starlings because of the damage they do to native bird populations. I see no reason why he, me or any other bird lover should care what you choose to keep in your homes that is not bothering anybody else. I feel for Victoria and anybody else who has daily encounters with idiots who feel the need to lecture them on their pets. As for the suggestions to release your tame pets, ask them if they are the same morons that take unwanted cats and dogs out into the countryside and abandon them.
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Msg. 278392  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 07:45:37:

What's the cost of the BSA Super 10 in .22 cal.?
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Msg. 278391  Posted by ben on August 23, 2000 at 07:18:11:

In Reply to: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds. posted by Brian Wheater on August 23, 2000 at 02:21:02:

Yep, same here. Add English Sparrows to the list...

Those critters even alter their flight plan over my house. :)


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Msg. 278390  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 23, 2000 at 07:08:52:

In Reply to: Re: applied science posted by ron on August 22, 2000 at 19:03:49:

Although I work in Power Engineering, part of R&D.
We play with the UPS/Power systems and such...not the air units. There are some refrigerant tanks downstairs in production though :-)

Jack
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Msg. 278389  Posted by RGunn on August 23, 2000 at 07:04:27:

In Reply to: Starlings, Starling Lovers, Grackles and Cowbirds. posted by Brian Wheater on August 23, 2000 at 02:21:02:

Brian, Those folks at the starling lovers sites have some great tips on what baits (feed) to use to atract starlings to your bait station (feeder). E-mail them and tell them you wish to attract starlings to your feeders. You won't believe how helpful they are [evil grin]!

Check my site, I am a starling lover :-)

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Msg. 278388  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 23, 2000 at 06:57:17:

In Reply to: Re: I want your opinion. posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 06:29:47:

Where did you get that idea?
It's designed to shoot korean domed pellets, and does so very well. Mine loves Crosman Premier domes. They feed flawlessy in the magazine and shuttle mechanism...as do Beeman Crow Magnums, and a variety of other pellets. You just have to adjust the shuttle stop for each.
Now pointed pellets may hang up in the shuttle,I have not tried them. I've never had any luck shooting pointed pellets in any gun...so that's a moot issue with me.

And I used to not appreciate the looks of a Career. After shooting one a bit, opinions change. It's akin to the A10 Thunderbolt II....not as sleek as an F16, but has a beauty all it's own. The Career grows on you.

However.....your $500 will get you a gun. You'll be able to stand it in the corner and look at it until you save at least another $200 for a pump. PCP's require that as a bare minimum (or a friend with a SCUBA tank!). Something to consider.

Look at used guns in the classifieds. You can sometimes get the whole rig used for the price of the gun alone new. And used is great if it's been taken care of.

Jack



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Msg. 278387  Posted by pilkguns on August 23, 2000 at 06:49:28:

In Reply to: Re: Full auto BB gun posted by Peter Kay on August 23, 2000 at 03:04:53:

Jon.
e-mail me an I will give a the addess of the guy at eh little Rock show who was seling BBmachine guns made from PVC pipe. i bought one myself, and we all have spenthours raking the the leavse off teh treees inthe back yard with it. It like the LARC,is basically a siphon fed gun, easy design to make, out of brake tubeing and PVC, just need a good air compressor, my 60 gallon,3/4 hp, pushing 80-90 psi seems to be about right . But I sure would lke to find a MacGlashan reasonable

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Msg. 278386  Posted by Phil Herman on August 23, 2000 at 06:47:02:

In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:

Andrew,
Yeah, they're real...and tell you dad that next time you guys come to Michigan I want to take him Snipe hunting.
Keep shooting,

Phil Herman

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Msg. 278385  Posted by airsmith on August 23, 2000 at 06:44:02:

In Reply to: Would a spring SoftAir full auto wear out in 2 Minutes? posted by mikesb on August 22, 2000 at 20:51:06:

Your asking a question only you can answer.
The spring guns generaly last for years. The spring never wears out. The plastic will break before the main spring does. Spring pistols cost between $15.00-$85.00 most of the time you get what you pay for.


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Msg. 278384  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 23, 2000 at 06:40:26:

In Reply to: Whats the name of the site? (nt) posted by Tyler on August 23, 2000 at 04:58:27:

Go there and click on their "airgun resources" link. AGL has provided a long list of places like Mac1. Simply scroll down the list until you get to the "M's" (it's just after L and right before N). You'll see Mac1 listed with a clickable link.

hth, Jack
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Msg. 278383  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 06:39:27:

In Reply to: Re: I want your opinion. posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 01:39:25:

I have a life. And I have a DAISY 880. It sucks. The barrel flexes. So it shoots all over. I want a good hich quality gun. My 880 most of the things are made of plastic. Plastic stock, forearm, reciver (spelling?), and the bolt + other things.
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Msg. 278382  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 06:30:35:

In Reply to: Re: I want your opinion. posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 21:59:48:

about $500
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Msg. 278381  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 06:29:47:

In Reply to: Re: I want your opinion. posted by Bob Kossieck on August 22, 2000 at 23:18:25:

I would go for the Career but it can only shoot flathead pellets I think. And it's a little ugly.
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Msg. 278380  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 06:27:18:

In Reply to: Re: consider....... posted by Darry H on August 22, 2000 at 22:24:35:

Noise is not a problem. At ALL. I have enough $$$ for the gun and pump. And I already have a scope.
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Msg. 278379  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 23, 2000 at 06:23:26:

In Reply to: How can you say you have enough money if you don't know what the gun costs? posted by Eric P. on August 23, 2000 at 05:00:49:

I was so DUMB before. I'll have to save money. I'll have to save about 2 years to get enough $$$. But it's worth it. ;-) I can't wait.
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Msg. 278378  Posted by Van sharp on August 23, 2000 at 06:04:37:

In Reply to: Lubrication for PCP pellets posted by JmD on August 23, 2000 at 03:25:10:

Lube-one by slick 50.It comes in the red can with the black top.Most auto stores carry it.
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Msg. 278377  Posted by Ron on August 23, 2000 at 05:40:14:

Is there a Vortek ram kit for a tx200sr? Do you have aby experience shooting a gas ram retrofit gun?
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Msg. 278376  Posted by Jon G on August 23, 2000 at 05:16:17:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Board, Recomendation This is America Right. posted by Ted on August 23, 2000 at 00:49:33:

:>)
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Msg. 278375  Posted by Eric on August 23, 2000 at 05:14:33:

In Reply to: Re: Alternative to an airgun posted by Lon on August 22, 2000 at 23:02:47:

>My point is NOT to encourage you to sneak around behind your parents back, but to suggest to your parent that it is far safer to shoot a bb or pellet gun with their knowledge and supervision than to risk injury or delinquency satisfying a desire you obviously have. Show this to your parents in the hopes of persuading them that you can SAFELY own and shoot a BB or pellet gun WITH their supervision.


Or, they may just give you a good spanking for threatening to disobey them!
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Msg. 278374  Posted by Eric P. on August 23, 2000 at 05:00:49:

In Reply to: I want your opinion. posted by Cody Dotter on August 22, 2000 at 20:16:04:

If you don't mind the looks, test out a career! accurate, VERY powerful, and inexpensive,( for a PCP gun that is, it's just $500). You could get the set up for just around $1000, plus an inexpensive scope. I've been thinking about one myself, but with the neighbors so close by (Some of them think I'm some sort of psycho gun nut and are actually terrified that I'm going to shoot their cat. I haven't even shot in front of them before! They've just seen the rifle!)

BTW, how did you accumulate the money so fast? No matter. Now that you have the money, have a good time checking out your options!

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Msg. 278373  Posted by Tyler on August 23, 2000 at 04:58:27:

In Reply to: ask Tim at MAC-1 (nt) posted by Rob on August 23, 2000 at 04:50:16:

eh?
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Msg. 278371  Posted by Rob on August 23, 2000 at 04:50:16:

In Reply to: Does anyone here own a Crosman 2289? Any modifications possible? posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:55:18:

nt
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Msg. 278370  Posted by Tyler on August 23, 2000 at 04:44:25:

In Reply to: Challenge!!!! posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:35:10:

"My starling's feathers are crawling with parasites, should I pluck them out?" try it!!!!
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Msg. 278369  Posted by Tyler on August 23, 2000 at 04:40:41:

In Reply to: Challenge!!!! posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:35:10:

Hillarious stuff. Very creative LOL
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Re: PSI = Bar?


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Msg. 278368  Posted by Randy Bimrose, BPAR on August 23, 2000 at 04:34:24:

In Reply to: PSI = Bar? posted by JonF. on August 22, 2000 at 23:04:33:

The conversion factors are:

PSI to BAR >> PSI X .069 = BAR

BAR to PSI >> BAR X 14.503 = PSI
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Msg. 278367  Posted by Tyler on August 23, 2000 at 04:27:39:

In Reply to: Re: Daisy 990 posted by Greg S on August 23, 2000 at 00:13:25:

nt
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Dont you have to be over 18?


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Msg. 278366  Posted by Tyler on August 23, 2000 at 04:25:54:

In Reply to: Gun Laws? No limits. posted by Torsten on August 23, 2000 at 00:00:45:

dont you have to be over 18 to get an FAC in Canada?
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Msg. 278365  Posted by Mike in HI on August 23, 2000 at 03:56:27:

In Reply to: Re: Any interesting places for an air gunner to visit in GA. posted by pilkguns on August 22, 2000 at 21:15:17:

Pilkguns, Thank you for the information. Aloha, Mike
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Msg. 278364  Posted by rmw on August 23, 2000 at 03:43:39:

In Reply to: 4500 PSI tanks and fittings posted by Bob Kossieck on August 20, 2000 at 11:34:45:

Hi:
Check a welding supply house.
Best
rmw
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Msg. 278363  Posted by JmD on August 23, 2000 at 03:25:10:

What sort of lubing should I use?

JmD
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Msg. 278362  Posted by JmD on August 23, 2000 at 03:21:08:

In Reply to: I want your opinion. posted by Cody Dotter on August 22, 2000 at 20:16:04:

You might also want to check these guns out (they are all PCPs);
AirArms 410
Webley FX2000 (almost identical to the Axsor)
Ripley XL9
BSA Superten

I´m myself in your situation - just going to get an airgun. I have had, and still have, a springer, but I like the multishot capacity of a PCP (of course there are one-shot PCPs, but that´s not interesting to me). Since a PCP is more or less without recoil, you can mount any scope you want. A powerful springer have recoil both forward and backward, and that may ruin a scope not specially made for airguns.
The 707 seems to be ´most bang for the buck´, but in my opinion - and I´m not the only one - it´s a really ugly piece of machinery. And to me looks are important. But if that´s not an issue for you, by all means it seems to be a really capable gun.

All in all my vote goes to the FX 2000 or the Ripley (the Ripley beeing the more expensive one).
And yes, a PCP is worth the extra cost in my opinion.

Good luck, and take your time in finding the gun for you.

JmD
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Msg. 278361  Posted by Peter Kay on August 23, 2000 at 03:04:53:

In Reply to: Full auto BB gun posted by Jon Powell on August 23, 2000 at 01:56:05:

See link below for a bb version a vulcan cannon... video of the two different types are available.

There was a MacGlashan Full Auto bb trainer resembled a M2HB .50 cal Machingun. There where two other prototypes listed in the 3rd edition of the Airgun Digest that never saw production, and the venerable LARC, still available from private collectors. It ran on Freon.

Hope this helps

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Msg. 278359  Posted by jr99@webtv.net on August 23, 2000 at 02:44:35:

In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:


}:o)))))
Aloha John
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Msg. 278358  Posted by Tir on August 23, 2000 at 02:31:48:

In Reply to: Re: Wabbit with horns posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 21:56:56:


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Msg. 278357  Posted by Brian Wheater on August 23, 2000 at 02:24:59:

In Reply to: " Foods for Starlings " does that mean BAIT hehe nt posted by MarkD on August 22, 2000 at 18:36:23:

NT
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Msg. 278356  Posted by Brian Wheater on August 23, 2000 at 02:21:02:

Just saw the starling lovers' website. To each his own as long as they leave me alone. It's interesting to note that the character played by Kathleen Turner in "Psycho Mom" was a starling lover. They are in some ways quite remarkable. I've watched them do pinpoint landings on signs in 25 mph winds or hover in front of truck grills picking bugs off grills. I'm not amused by the way they poop(wow, AGLF won't let me say XXXX) on my car or create pressure on other species, so I admire them the same way I admire a cockroach, and treat them accordingly, over 500 of them-I record AG kills. What really annoys me here in Iowa is the Grackle. Although he's quite handsome, he's extremely predacious and the most numerous bird species in IA. DNR really needs to withdraw protection from them or they'll destroy every other species in IA. The people at Wild Birds Inc. don't like them either. Equally verminous is the Cowbird, a nest parasite. Needless to say, other species(Robins, Blue Jays, Cardinals, Kestrals, Hawks, etc., etc.) enjoy my back yard and the word has spread among the vermin to stay away. Nothing keeps an undesirable population away like a little genocide.
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Msg. 278355  Posted by JRW on August 23, 2000 at 02:07:14:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Board, Recomendation This is America Right. posted by Ted on August 23, 2000 at 00:49:33:

I read a couple of their threads or whatever you call it when we write on these forums.It seems they raise them as pets.I'm sure as with all groups (ours not excluded)they have their zealots.They are best left alone.If they are for the most part just into raising them for pets,where is the harm?People raise rats,pidgeons,rabbits,parakeets,etc. that can all be considered vermin when left to go feral.Do they get bombarded with judgement as well?
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Msg. 278354  Posted by peter huppertz on August 23, 2000 at 01:58:12:

In Reply to: Challenge!!!! posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:35:10:

That would be sick, and not in the interest of the shooting sports.

peter
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Msg. 278353  Posted by Brian Wheater on August 23, 2000 at 01:56:37:

In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

Yeah, I believe him. I killed a crow at 75 yds with my .177 R9 and my FSI Ballistic Tables. I think it was mostly good luck for me and bad luck for the crow. After all, the pellet was slower than a the MV of a cheap BB gun at the range. I would also shoot 6" can bottoms at 50yds with my Benj. 132 pistol. I have to set the top of the rear sight at the base of the frt sight.
Heck, he's only claiming a 25% kill ratio!
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Msg. 278352  Posted by Jon Powell on August 23, 2000 at 01:56:05:

In spite of my interest in precision shooting, my two sons have strayed. I've reluctantly consented to research the availability of full-auto BB guns for them.

I vaguely recall threads on currently available full-auto BB guns, and I think I've even seen a couple of ads for them in years past.

Are any of these still available? Does anyone have any experience or remarks that they'd like to pass along?
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Msg. 278351  Posted by Alan on August 23, 2000 at 01:54:50:

Thanks to those who responded to my earlier post about this gun.

Here in the UK, the XS B3-1 is not sold. The gun I meant is the underlever sporting rifle, which I think may be sold in the US as the B3-3 or QB38.

Any comments on power/accuracy/durability would be welcome.

Sorry about earlier confusion.

Alan
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Msg. 278350  Posted by GH on August 23, 2000 at 01:51:48:

In Reply to: good way of cleaning CP\Ben sher Dome posted by M Boyle on August 23, 2000 at 00:56:36:


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Msg. 278349  Posted by bing on August 23, 2000 at 01:39:25:

In Reply to: Re: I want your opinion. posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 20:22:34:

get a life kid!!!!! buy a crossman and go kill what ever you think you can!!
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Msg. 278348  Posted by dscott on August 23, 2000 at 01:33:19:

In Reply to: Correct pistol sight picture....? posted by Crane on August 22, 2000 at 23:56:35:

Crane, hold either at six o'clock or a slight amount of daylight at six o'clock (only shooting both will indicate which works best for you) then have the front site centered in the rear with equal daylight on each side of the front sight, the top of the front sight should be the exact height of the rear sight. Now hear is a very important tip... focus your aiming eye on the horizon of the front sight, not the target or rear sight, and let your target sit on the horizon of the front sight. The target with be blurred.
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Msg. 278347  Posted by M Boyle on August 23, 2000 at 01:24:35:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum: some think only one foot past there nose posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 00:21:49:

the swedish ones taste like cheese ;P;;;
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Msg. 278346  Posted by dirk dingle on August 23, 2000 at 01:14:32:

In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

Catch a few pinfish, tie 2 together with 20lb. mono about 3' length, then feed one to a gull and the other to another gull. Need I say more. I wonder how they are on an endangered list. They're
real problems at my Fl. place.
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Msg. 278345  Posted by M Boyle on August 23, 2000 at 01:01:09:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers website...A Practical Use posted by Jim Slomski on August 22, 2000 at 22:55:48:



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Msg. 278343  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 23, 2000 at 01:00:13:

In Reply to: OK; here goes..... posted by Alan on August 22, 2000 at 14:08:53:

Thank you for your VERY informative posting on this rifle. I appreciate your time. Would you send me an E-mail with your address? I would like to contact you directly regarding this.

lschmidj@bellatlantic.net

Lloyd Schmid
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Msg. 278342  Posted by john on August 23, 2000 at 00:59:26:

In Reply to: Re: 6-18x50 swift scope. Need to read this. posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:09:28:

rbest, are you suggesting model 267A? i believe this is what you are suggesting but i am not quite sure as i do not know all that much about mounts (this will only be my second scope).
thnx,
john
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Msg. 278341  Posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:57:50:

In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:

Any Texan will tell you that they are real and can still be found in the more remote areas of 'God's Country'--that's Texas for all you yankees. If you don't believe me, just ask chasm.
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Msg. 278340  Posted by M Boyle on August 23, 2000 at 00:56:36:

i found that nail polish remover works better then any method i tryed.
take two old clean rags, one damp with water the other damp with nail polish remover.
poor the CPs on the rag with the nail polish remove. roll them around with your hand, do it till the CPs are clean.
poor them on the rag damp with water do the same.
lube with finishline\slick 50 lube 1.
shoot!!
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Msg. 278339  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 23, 2000 at 00:53:53:

In Reply to: I want your opinion. posted by Cody Dotter on August 22, 2000 at 20:16:04:

Cody - instead of a PCP, which cost a lot for not only the gun, but also accessories such as a pump/scuba tank, consider a nice springer.
A really nice one, is the Beeman RX-1.
Lots of power, and it has a gas ram.
Costs about $450, and no other accessories (such as pump) are needed.
Or have a look at some of the other really nice springers out there.

Chris

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Msg. 278338  Posted by Ted on August 23, 2000 at 00:49:33:

I recomend we stay away from them, they probably will stay away from us. They can probably trace our IP addresses just like Tom and Edith. This is America we want gun rights, they want starling rights. Posting on thier board or bothering them will just make them mad and us look bad.
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Msg. 278337  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 00:48:01:

In Reply to: Daisy Mod. 131 posted by Bob Miller on August 22, 2000 at 15:00:35:

Most likely it is. RB
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Msg. 278336  Posted by M Boyle on August 23, 2000 at 00:46:53:

In Reply to: Correct pistol sight picture....? posted by Crane on August 22, 2000 at 23:56:35:

six O'clock or sub six is great for plinking. just set the can or target on level sights ..it helps you with the correct sight line up
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Msg. 278335  Posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:42:48:

In Reply to: Re: Peter! posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 08:50:18:

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Msg. 278334  Posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:41:13:

In Reply to: Re: Any Airgun clubs in the Richardson TX area? posted by Bill A on August 22, 2000 at 13:28:42:

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Msg. 278333  Posted by John Sa. on August 23, 2000 at 00:35:10:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 16:51:49:

Who will be the first airgunner to post a message on the starlinglovers board?

Rules.
1. No hacking.
2. The message must be derogatory--you can't simply suck up to get your message on. It doesn't have to be blatantly derogatory--be creative.

Examples:
"My starling is infested with vermin, how can I get rid of them. Do you think using gasoline on a Qtip would help?"
or
"How can I keep my pet Starling 'Bullseye' from crapping all over the place when I let him out of his cage?"

The problem is that they approve each and every message BEFORE it posts.

All right, forward march!
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Msg. 278332  Posted by dirk dingle on August 23, 2000 at 00:34:56:

In Reply to: NICK ADAMS.................YES !!! nt posted by Stocky on August 22, 2000 at 19:01:30:

Dirk knows ALL!!!!!!!
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Msg. 278331  Posted by bcd on August 23, 2000 at 00:30:50:

In Reply to: Re: Alternative to an airgun posted by bcd on August 22, 2000 at 23:40:42:


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Msg. 278329  Posted by bryon on August 23, 2000 at 00:26:34:

could you email me about crosman 114 original bulk filler screw on cap body
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Msg. 278328  Posted by James Kitching on August 23, 2000 at 00:22:04:

In Reply to: Nope! posted by Geron on August 22, 2000 at 18:28:42:

They are accurate, something is wrong with yours.

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Msg. 278327  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 00:21:49:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum: some think only one foot past there nose posted by M Boyle on August 22, 2000 at 18:57:15:

I prefer the Norwegian rats myself.. heh heh. Excellent warm targets ! RB
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Msg. 278326  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 00:18:15:

In Reply to: Correct pistol sight picture....? posted by Crane on August 22, 2000 at 23:56:35:

The 'six o'clock' hold is the most commonly taught hold for open sights. The bull should just float- centered over- the front sight. RB
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Msg. 278325  Posted by Chavez on August 23, 2000 at 00:17:42:

In Reply to: Benjamin 342 posted by jon on August 22, 2000 at 23:11:49:


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Msg. 278324  Posted by Swinson on August 23, 2000 at 00:17:19:

In Reply to: Correct pistol sight picture....? posted by Crane on August 22, 2000 at 23:56:35:

Lots of different ways to do it but when using blade sites that is correct. Reason being if you obscure your target you do not know how much is obscured...so guys shoot a bit higher on the six but a lot do not. As well in SOME military and police work you aim a bit low on the first round (lower centermass on a Q target) and walk the second round Up (double tap method) but this has no real application in airgunning.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278323  Posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 00:13:35:

In Reply to: Re: SS vs. R9 posted by Sammy on August 22, 2000 at 22:58:55:

Sammy: when they are shooting that low, they need more than a tune to get the velocity up- they need an overhaul! New seals, springs, etc. Maybe even custom seals. RB
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Msg. 278322  Posted by Greg S on August 23, 2000 at 00:13:25:

In Reply to: Where did you get the gun? posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:48:38:

Bought of an oldman in the buy and sell magazine,still in original box.never fired,brand spankin new.70.00
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Msg. 278320  Posted by Steve B. on August 23, 2000 at 00:10:06:

In Reply to: Re: 4-12x40 Bushnell Banner vs, Simmons Proair posted by MCunningham on August 22, 2000 at 23:58:05:

MC: I've had a Banner 4-12X on my gun since late winter. It definately sharpens things up; but the truth is it's more scope than the gun or shooter needs. 12X doesn't even work until you get out 40 yards (the gun is out of steam out here anyway) or so and I find I do most of my shooting at 6X. A 3-9X would be a better choice (cheaper too!). A 2-7X would also be nice.

So far every thing is holding up, but this gun doesn't have much jolt. The 4-12X made mounting the scope a problem also, the Front Objective measures about 50mm OD and has clearance problems. I used cheap Bushnell .22 Rings ($6) but they weren't tall enough for that big Objective so I had to install riser blocks (5mm I think) so it would clear the barrel. Again a good case for a smaller scope. I just happened to have it laying around uncommited.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 278319  Posted by aaron gassman on August 23, 2000 at 00:01:27:

In Reply to: 707 and pellet combination...what do you prefer??? posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 04:05:10:

Mine also shot great with Premiers, Kodiaks and Dae Sung domes (.75" groups at 50 yards with all). Dae Sungs for full power, Priemiers for ample power for most purposes and air economy, Kodiaks to bridge the gap. My rifle shot to same point of impact at 50 yards with Dae Sungs or Premiers at around 950 FPS. Got LOTS of shots with Premiers at 900 fps+.
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Msg. 278318  Posted by Torsten on August 23, 2000 at 00:00:45:

In Reply to: Where did you get the gun? posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:48:38:

Tyler,

Canada's gun laws DO allow velocities of over 500 fps...

All that is required is that you get a PAL (commonly
known as a FAC). Take the course, write the test,
and get your PAL. You'll find the course quite good.


Have Fun!
Torsten in Kanada
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Msg. 278317  Posted by MCunningham on August 22, 2000 at 23:58:05:

In Reply to: Scope for IZH 61 posted by MCunningham on August 22, 2000 at 23:55:08:

Just a clarification on the models.
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Msg. 278316  Posted by Crane on August 22, 2000 at 23:56:35:

Since im a complete newbie to the world of air pistols im wondering what kind of sight picture is ideal. Ive heard that the front blade should fill in the knotch so that they seem to form a square. That much is obvious..=) Now this is the part id like to know. ive ALSO heard that once this is done you should aim BELOW the target, it was called.....sub six or sometin' are there different techniques? What is most commonly used?

example of suggested sight picture...

0
[I]

o = bullseye
[i] = blade+knotch

why do u aim below the target?

this was another stupid post brought to you by the one and only.......Crane! j/k of course !!!!
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Msg. 278315  Posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:55:18:

I have a crosman 2289. I was wondering if there are any modifications that I can make. The sights are blocky and the rear one is too close to my eye. Can I get sights anywhere? How much do they cost. Any other Ideas?????
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Msg. 278314  Posted by MCunningham on August 22, 2000 at 23:55:08:

I'm about to order an IZH 61 rifle for my son, and would like to put a 4-12X scope on it. I'm considering either the Bushnell 4-12x40, or the Simmons 4-12x40. The cost difference is within $15, so I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on the relative quality/performance of these two scopes. Thanks for any advice you can offer.

Mike
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Msg. 278313  Posted by Bill 34 on August 22, 2000 at 23:52:48:

In Reply to: disagree posted by Hawley on August 21, 2000 at 23:21:26:

I agree with Hawley, My CM3 in .20 cal is awesome. It's been a challenge to learn to shoot well but now i'm confident it will perform along side any piston gun at any price. And it flat kills anything shot with it. Most people that don't like the gun won't take the time to learn how to shoot it well. Not to mention only a manly man can cock it. If I had not grown up pumping sheridans it might have defeated me as well.
"tounge in cheek"
Bill 34
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Msg. 278312  Posted by aaron gassman on August 22, 2000 at 23:49:31:

In Reply to: Any one try the 9mm RWS precharged yet? posted by Alain on August 21, 2000 at 10:41:28:

It's Korean made by Shin Sung Ind., better known as the Career. It's awesome... powerful and accurate. Mine averages 1.3" five-shot groups at 50 yards, 125 foot/pounds (58 grain Dae Sung pellet at 940 fps). Took a 65# wild boar about a month ago with a devastating one-shot kill (brain shot at 25 yards). About as loud as a .22 long rifle, but capable of .22 magnum energies when shooting .355 cast 9mm bullets (less accurate in my rifle).
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Msg. 278311  Posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:48:38:

In Reply to: Modify a pneumatic/co2 air rifle, posted by Greg S on August 22, 2000 at 23:35:38:

Where did you get a gun thats shoots over 500fps? Especially with the gun laws in our country. What gun is it exactly?(model name and number)
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Msg. 278310  Posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:42:07:

In Reply to: Re: Good Point posted by Gary on August 21, 2000 at 04:52:49:

true
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Msg. 278306  Posted by jon on August 22, 2000 at 23:41:03:

In Reply to: Crosman Sites Info ? posted by Scott S. on August 22, 2000 at 23:26:21:

Try this one and see if it is what you are looking for.

-jon-

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Msg. 278305  Posted by bcd on August 22, 2000 at 23:40:42:

In Reply to: Re: Alternative to an airgun posted by Gruny on August 22, 2000 at 23:11:15:

I know it's illegal to sell/buy them IN CA, but I
know several folks who obtained them elsewhere and
dragged them in. Possession may not be illegal.
Problem is that they are obviously made to be blow
guns, and the darts are pretty wicked looking. A
do it yourself project can be made to look pretty
innocent.

I'm beginning to regret this thread!
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Msg. 278304  Posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:40:08:

In Reply to: Re: Why do People shoot DEFENCELESS animals and enjoy it? posted by Buck on August 20, 2000 at 23:29:42:

CANADIANS RULE!!!!!!
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Msg. 278303  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 23:38:36:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Jerry Rhodes on August 22, 2000 at 22:53:12:

I just tried much the same. I wonder if it'll ever see the light of day? Apparently, as you said; if a counter position is offered (even very clear and concise- without malice)it is quickly tossed into the CENSORED bin. The old ostrich move- for sure. RB
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Msg. 278302  Posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:37:12:

In Reply to: Tyler, You are confused... posted by Douglas on August 21, 2000 at 12:14:35:

nt
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Msg. 278301  Posted by Mike in Indy on August 22, 2000 at 23:36:25:

In Reply to: and another..... posted by ~shabang~ on August 22, 2000 at 12:30:10:

Hey Shebang, exactly where did they put that setscrew? I haven't had that problem on my Millenium but had to send it in for another problem. I notice there is a hole with a pin (not a screw) on the bottom of the push-button mechanism. Is that what your talking about? I dunno if it was there when I got the gun or not.

Mike in Indy
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Msg. 278300  Posted by Greg S on August 22, 2000 at 23:35:38:

Is it possible and worth it to have my rifle modifyed.Right now its only so they say 630/fps,I need more power.Any suggestions of a gunsmith who can do something like this in canada.Since i live here every one knows no more then 500/fps.
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Msg. 278299  Posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:31:32:

In Reply to: Schoolmaster? No way! LOL! posted by peter huppertz on August 21, 2000 at 18:15:13:

damn american spelling!

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Msg. 278298  Posted by Greg S on August 22, 2000 at 23:28:26:

TTTTHHHHHAAAAANNNNNKKKKSSS

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Msg. 278296  Posted by Scott S. on August 22, 2000 at 23:26:21:

Greetings to all,
Does anyone know of a site dedicated to Crosman rifles, their history, & a list of models made outside of crosman.com?
Many thanks for any & all info,
Scott
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Msg. 278295  Posted by Mike in Indy on August 22, 2000 at 23:25:11:

In Reply to: PSI = Bar? posted by JonF. on August 22, 2000 at 23:04:33:

I think "bar" is actually an abbreviation, perhaps for barometer. It is a unit of pressure that equals one standard atmospheric pressure - about 14.7 psia - (pounds per square inch, absolute). Do the math, 3000/14.7 = ??

Give up?


OK 204.0816

Mike in Indy
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Msg. 278294  Posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 23:23:06:

In Reply to: Any Canadians from Ontario here eh.... posted by Greg S on August 20, 2000 at 23:40:39:

is anyone else?
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Msg. 278293  Posted by Bob Kossieck on August 22, 2000 at 23:18:25:

In Reply to: Re: I want your opinion. posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 21:59:48:

Consider the Career 707. It is more accurate and more powerful than the Huntsman. It is a 10 shot lever action repeater. It has a power adjustment wheel which allows you to adjust power from about 500 fps to 1100 fps. Buy it from a good dealer that can do the necessary minor modification needed to make it a super performer. Mac 1 is one and there are others. Cost is around $550 plus gage and pump or scuba tank.
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Msg. 278292  Posted by johnooh on August 22, 2000 at 23:15:55:

In Reply to: Re: Simmons scope 3-9 x32 posted by Greg S on August 22, 2000 at 22:42:52:

greg,
airguns scopes have an externally adjustable parallax ring on the objective or front end to focus clearly at all distances down to about 10 meters. most regular firearm scopes are parallax corrected to 50 yards or more. with that said, whats it mean, right? well, at a short distance using a rimfire scope, your POI may change depending on how you look through that scope each time you mount it to your shoulder and shoot. the reticule (cross-hairs) move/shift at these short distances. Simmons makes a line of air gun scopes called ProAir which correct for this. So if repeatable accuracy is what your after (target shooting) you'll want to look into a scope for airguns, if you just want to shoot a critter in the back yard with the ol' pump, whatever you got will work well enough. I prefer a clean one-shot kill through the brain box myself so I opt the the airgun scopes. hth
johno

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Msg. 278291  Posted by Jim Slomski on August 22, 2000 at 23:14:49:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers website...A Practical Use posted by Lon on August 22, 2000 at 23:07:44:

Hi Lon,
This is my point, White rats are in demand for
scientific research. But if you can cultivate
starlings as a pet, you can make a ton of dough.
Granted, I am with you, pop the wild ones, just
like the rats, no problem, but think about the
potential market, like the white rats... it don't
take no Einstein.....
Jim

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Benjamin 342


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Msg. 278290  Posted by jon on August 22, 2000 at 23:11:49:

Yesterday I received my first Benjamin 342 from a gentleman who was kind enough to sell me one. When the package arrived I was very impressed with the quality of the rifle. The gun is in excellent condition. Both the stock and forearm have a (sorry, don't know the appropriate term) carved checkered grip on them. Both the wood and metal are in great shape. Tonight I took my first shots with the rifle and was amazed. I used some old copperhead wadcutters I had laying around and from the get-go was able to group shots of 5 under a dime from 10 meters. The rifle has not been pre-tapped for the Williams peep. The serial number on the rifle is T371248.

I'd like to know more about this rifle. If anyone has any information to share I would be very grateful. Thanks.

-jon-
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Msg. 278289  Posted by Gruny on August 22, 2000 at 23:11:15:

In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

Oddly, blowguns are illegal in California. I've no idea what the imbeciles in Sacramento were thinking about when they did this, 'cause I wasn't here yet. Was the Golden State threatened by Amazon Indians, or vicious Pygmies? I suppose the legislators can now point with great success that no lives have been lost to blowguns, all to their credit!
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That's a Jackalope - old western joke


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Msg. 278288  Posted by Mike in Indy on August 22, 2000 at 23:10:03:

In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:

I saw postcards depicting Jackalopes out west 40 years ago. Still cute!

Mike in Indy
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Msg. 278287  Posted by Lon on August 22, 2000 at 23:07:44:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers website...A Practical Use posted by Jim Slomski on August 22, 2000 at 22:55:48:

Thats funny, I was watching a show on the telly last night that said the same thing about RATS(true story). My trigger finger is still itching. ;))
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Parallax Explained. Good info for newbies


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Msg. 278286  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 23:07:05:

Click on the URL below. RB

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using a bar clamp - This will work for some guns.


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Msg. 278285  Posted by Jim P on August 22, 2000 at 23:07:01:

In Reply to: Try using a bar clamp with plywood pads at both ends. nt posted by Nik on August 22, 2000 at 22:54:29:

Rx4TRBL,

Nik is correct for some of the medium powered spring guns (or a magnum gun with little pre-load)A long Bar Clamp will work. Harbor Freight sometimes has these for sale up to 42" for reasonable prices ($10-$15.) Glue a piece of wood to each end (epoxy) so you won't mar the finish. You want to take the stress on the muzzle at the front.

What kind of gun are you going to use it on?

It can be done - be careful whatever you try.

Jim P.
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Msg. 278284  Posted by JonF. on August 22, 2000 at 23:04:33:

How many bar is 3000 psi? Thanks!
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Msg. 278283  Posted by Lon on August 22, 2000 at 23:02:47:

In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

When I was 8 years old I received enough money for my birthday to purchase a bb gun which I begged my parents to purchase for me. I said I would agree to let them keep in thier possesion and would be satisfied to shoot only with their supervision. It was made clear to me that there would be NO guns of any kind permitted in our home. Did that stop me from shooting? Absolutely NOT! What I did was run around with all of my friends who had bb & pellet guns(a Benjamin was the envy of the group)shooting unsupervised every chance I got and then bought and hid in my garage my own daisy 880, I'm surprised we didn't meet with disasterous consequences. My point is NOT to encourage you to sneak around behind your parents back, but to suggest to your parent that it is far safer to shoot a bb or pellet gun with their knowledge and supervision than to risk injury or delinquency satisfying a desire you obviously have. Show this to your parents in the hopes of persuading them that you can SAFELY own and shoot a BB or pellet gun WITH their supervision.
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Msg. 278282  Posted by Dave L on August 22, 2000 at 23:02:42:

In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

In the Upper Peninsula of Mich they call them dumpster ducks. LOL
Dave
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Msg. 278281  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on August 22, 2000 at 23:00:44:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Jerry Rhodes on August 22, 2000 at 22:53:12:

This might be useful to those that like to shoot starlings.

Just don't do what this fellow suggests and maybe the little fellows will "whitewash" your house.

Jerry

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Msg. 278279  Posted by Sammy on August 22, 2000 at 22:58:55:

In Reply to: Re: SS vs. R9 posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 21:02:05:

Yeah Russ I am at sea level and perhaps that SS was sick. To tell you the truth I wish that I would have known that a .22 tuned SS was capable of 700fps with CPs. I would have gone that route. I thought I had always understand that a tune or gas ram for the SS would not gain more than about 15 to 30 fps and that was if any gain was noticed at all. I always like the fit and finish of that SS and liked the fact that it was a little lighter than the R-9. Well I will have to see how this R-9 works out. Thanks
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Msg. 278278  Posted by Tyler on August 22, 2000 at 22:56:12:

In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

Shooting seagulls will net you a hefty fine, depending on where you live. Unless you have the money I suggest you stop shooting them. Also. How is it possible to hit ANYTHING at 70yards? especially with a pistol and especially with wadcutter pellets?
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Msg. 278277  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:56:07:

In Reply to: Re: Alternative to an airgun posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:54:07:

See the video Clan of the Cave Bear, starring Darryl Hannah. She used one in the movie. RB
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Msg. 278276  Posted by Jim Slomski on August 22, 2000 at 22:55:48:

Hello Gentlemen,
This is in regards to the starling lovers website.
25 years ago, I had a pet crow. My buddies and I
robbed a nest to aquire the bird. I will tell you
this,even though the crow is louthsome bird, as a
pet, it would blow away a cat, as to loyalty.
It would come when called, like a dog, it could
"talk", and was the neatest pet I ever had.
Starlings, even though loathsome, I have read, are
cousins of the myna bird. Starlings mimic other
bird calls, and I have oftened wondered if they
could be domesticated like parakeets. Hey, they are every where, and outlawed, and free. If someone could sell trained "talking Starlings" they would have a goldmine. Put the birds to a practical use.
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Msg. 278275  Posted by Dave L on August 22, 2000 at 22:54:48:

In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

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Msg. 278274  Posted by Nik on August 22, 2000 at 22:54:29:

In Reply to: Spring Compressor from a car jack posted by Rx4TRBL on August 22, 2000 at 20:41:44:

nt
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Msg. 278273  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:54:07:

In Reply to: Re: Alternative to an airgun posted by Jerry Rhodes on August 22, 2000 at 22:36:21:

Jerry: I used to love tossing stones with the old strap sling when I was a kid. RB
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Re: Lead poisoning is very insidious as you can tell by the above posts }:o)))


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Msg. 278272  Posted by jr99 on August 22, 2000 at 22:53:26:

In Reply to: Re: Yes, and they're very dangerous...... posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:11:58:


At this stage There is no help, And sense it's self inflected Theres no federal funds to look for a cure.
Aloha John
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Msg. 278271  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on August 22, 2000 at 22:53:12:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 16:51:49:

I just posted a reply to the lady that was trying to get some help on ridding herself of flocks of starlings that had become huge pests. I posted a URL that gave some intresting history on the bird and various means to control the damage caused by them.

Guess what? The whole thread got "gonged".

They were doing OK until I showed up. A lot of people berating this poor lady. When the pragmatist shows up and sheds some light they run and hide like roaches.

Jerry
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Msg. 278270  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:51:32:

In Reply to: Want to learn!! posted by José M on August 22, 2000 at 22:39:00:

Jose: those are "Venom" questions, and should be sent to Mac-1 Airguns in Gardena, California; as he is the only authorized Venom shop/dealer in the USA. Regards, Russ Best
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Msg. 278269  Posted by commando on August 22, 2000 at 22:48:14:

In Reply to: Starter Air Rifle Beeman or RWS posted by Todd from Spokane on August 22, 2000 at 13:03:16:

The 46 would fit the bill as well go to striaght shooters .com
And read the our take section...lots of imfo..have fun be safe
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Msg. 278268  Posted by Greg S on August 22, 2000 at 22:42:52:

In Reply to: Re: Simmons scope 3-9 x32 posted by J. Thomas on August 22, 2000 at 20:42:58:

Im a little new to scopes,i don't think ill be shooting much at 50yds.What do you mean by parallex.

Thanks
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Want to learn!!


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Msg. 278267  Posted by José M on August 22, 2000 at 22:39:00:

Hi,

Someone of u know about "F1 POWR-LOCK" mainspring?? and what is
the price of "HW-80 LazaHunter"??. Thx in advance.
Regards.

José M
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Msg. 278266  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on August 22, 2000 at 22:36:21:

In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

Eli,

How old are you?

I had a friend that used to take plastic golf tee's and heat 6" pieces of 1/16" music wire red hot and carefully push them into the spike end of the tee. He made sure that everything was straight and true before it cooled and then sharpened the ends to a needle point on a grinder. (much more dangerous than an air rifle) He used to hunt squirrels in a large pecan grove. His mother was always cooking squirrel for him. I went over to see him in January and the trees had all lost their leaves. Every tree had hundreds of red, green, pink and yellow dots in it that weren't visible in the summer when the trees were in leaf.

A "wrist rocket" shooting .25 cal lead shot is quite accurate and powerful. (also more dangerous than an air rifle).

A true ancient weapon that is really neat to master is the real "biblical" sling shot. (way more dangerous than an airgun). These were used in war and shot hen egg sized stones with deadly accuracy in the hands of a good shot. The same thing that David used to slay Goliath.

You have lots of options.

ALWAYS shoot in a safe direction. If you can't make an absolutely safe shot with ANY of the above, pass up the shot. There is always tomorrow, otherwise it might just end for you in a flash.

Jerry
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scale to weigh Bulk CO2 tanks, - Pelouze Postal Scale.


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Msg. 278265  Posted by Jim P on August 22, 2000 at 22:29:23:

In Reply to: Re: What type of scale do I need to weigh Bulk CO2 tanks,and where can I get one?Thanks(nt) posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 15:13:48:

Josh,

Any of the Pelouze Postal Scales that you can find at any Office Supply House will work. You should wait till you get the Transfer Tank that you want to weigh and get the scale where the empty weight of the tank is in the mid range of the scale (these are most accureate in their mid range.) They cost from $11 to $20 in the 1 to 2 lb range at Discount Office Store.

You will also usually need to purchase an adapter from your "Main Tank" (the 5 to 20 lb tank that you buy your Bulk CO2 in) to your Transfer Tank (Depending on Gun this usually comes with it - TAU, FWB, not Crosman.) These can cost up to $20. Then you need to purchase the "Main Tank" usually from the place that you are going to get the CO2. I bought my 5 lb tank from OXARC for $70 full and I pay $6 to fill it - It is a tank exchange, since it is one of theirs, so there is no other charge and they will buy the tank back from me when I'm done at some reduced price.

So you are going to be into this about $110 to start. But if you shoot a lot, the incremental cost for CO2 (cost per shot not counting the initial investment in Gun and stuff) is almost free. There is an awful lot of energy in 5lb of CO2! And of course you only have to do this once except maybe for an adapter if you get another gun.

Actually Bulk CO2 is a great way to go if you shoot in a warm climate or inside (10meter.) I like it.

HTH

Jim P.
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Msg. 278264  Posted by Darry H on August 22, 2000 at 22:24:35:

In Reply to: I want your opinion. posted by Cody Dotter on August 22, 2000 at 20:16:04:

Congratulations on saving up your money to buy something you want.
PCP guns can be lots of fun, but two things a lot of people do not think about until it is too late, often cause these guns to bu up for sale in a very short time.
1. - They are noisy. Often as loud or louder than
a .22 rimfire. Is this going to work where
you will be shooting?
2. - The pump and other accessories usually run
at least $200, and often more. Will you mind
having a lot of money tied up in something
you cannot shoot?? Remember, that is enough
money to buy a scope or another gun.
You have a tough decision to make. Take your time
and think it through. It is not a choice to make quickly.
Good Shootin!!
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Msg. 278263  Posted by Ted on August 22, 2000 at 22:22:42:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 16:51:49:

Yes we have a pet rabit (from a pet store), its roaming the kitchen now. His cage make a great place to put my airgun target on, can't have it sit on the floor. But i don't think I will hang out on the rabbit lovers forum, and I cant wait for rabit season to open.
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Msg. 278262  Posted by M Boyle on August 22, 2000 at 22:19:37:

In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

i have a P1, and new it was lucky to kill a starling a 15-20 yrds ..you musta had it in a vice. with a 18x or more, powered scope
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Msg. 278261  Posted by Jim Slomski on August 22, 2000 at 22:16:09:

In Reply to: posted by Jim Slomski on August 21, 2000 at 23:14:59:

Thanks to each and every one of you. I thought
that this might be a "dumb" question, but I was
proven wrong. I learned a great deal from your
responces, and I want to say you guys are the
"best"!!!
Thanks again,
Jim

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Msg. 278260  Posted by M Boyle on August 22, 2000 at 22:14:47:

In Reply to: Spring Compressor from a car jack posted by Rx4TRBL on August 22, 2000 at 20:41:44:

the only spring compressors i have ecer see have been made with 2x4s or 1x1 wood 4-6 bolts\nuts and two U nuts cost was less the $20 ive seen some convert lathes to a compressor
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Msg. 278259  Posted by Simon Slick on August 22, 2000 at 22:13:55:

In Reply to: Spring Compressor from a car jack posted by Rx4TRBL on August 22, 2000 at 20:41:44:

You didn't mention what type of car jack. But, I would use the scissor type jack instead of the bumper jack. Should make an excellent spring compressor if mounted properly. SSlick
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Msg. 278258  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:13:48:

In Reply to: Re: Here is just a question of curiosity. About laws (fun). posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:18:15:

Craig: Illinois has a 700 fps limit if you aren't carrying some FIC type card. RB
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Msg. 278256  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:11:58:

In Reply to: Yes, and they're very dangerous...... posted by Simon Slick on August 22, 2000 at 22:07:06:

Simon: they gnaw the hell out of your ankles too! Professional jackalope hunters wear Kevlar leggings. LOL. RB
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Msg. 278255  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:09:28:

In Reply to: 6-18x50 swift scope posted by john on August 22, 2000 at 21:20:53:

John: I have the same scope on the same gun! You'll need risers under those mounts to get the bell to clear the gun and be alble to load the gun. Both BSquare and BKL make risers. I recommend the drooped risers from Marty (he sells BKL). This will give you a pretty 'heads up' position behind the scope, which you may or may not like. RB
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Msg. 278254  Posted by Simon Slick on August 22, 2000 at 22:07:06:

In Reply to: In Washington State, jackalopes are fairly common.. posted by Robert Geiger on August 22, 2000 at 21:53:41:

They can really rip you up with those antlers around your ankles if you get them mad..SSlick
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Msg. 278253  Posted by bcd on August 22, 2000 at 22:06:43:

In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

Get a length (4 to 6 ft is about right) of electrical
conduit and make a blow gun. The best projectile
I've found is the standoff(s)from the handle on
those cheap Aluminum coffee pots. Each handle
comes with two standoffs (of course). Between the
hole down the middle and the double wasp waist
middle, they fly fast and true. The diameter is
perfect for the electrical conduit. Total
investment ranges from $10 to free. I used to
have a flaming blast with mine. Blow guns are
a very natural thing to shoot accurately.
Assuming you have good binocular vision. This
type of blow gun is not very threatening looking,
but I assure you it can be very effective.
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Msg. 278251  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 22:05:00:

In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:

Cabela's sells the heads.They are of course, a joke. America's Funniest Home Videos (TV show) used to feature one occasionally. RB
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Msg. 278250  Posted by jj on August 22, 2000 at 22:04:49:

In Reply to: A-Team Regulator and Career Carbine posted by Mike on August 22, 2000 at 06:45:15:

I am one of those 3 customers of Ray's and have the reg. in my .177 707 carbine.

Shot to shot consistancy was greatly improved.
Also, the spring and trigger kit can't be beat (lest not so far as I know).

That's my testimonial.
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Msg. 278249  Posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 22:03:02:

In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

Dude, that is *very* illegal. No clue in hell why, since there are TONS here on Long Island.
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Msg. 278248  Posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 21:59:48:

In Reply to: I want your opinion. posted by Cody Dotter on August 22, 2000 at 20:16:04:

Cody-

If you don't mind me asking, what is your budget?

-john
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Msg. 278247  Posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 21:56:56:

In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:

The Applebees around here doesn't have one, I doubt it's real. Next time just ask the waitress.
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Msg. 278246  Posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 21:54:30:

In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

A .22 is the closest thing, but if you can't have an airgun, you won't be able to get a .22 :). A slingshot is an alternative, the new ones are pretty damn powerful. Airsoft is also cool; you can get exact replicals of pistols like the Glock 17, Beretta 92fs, and the Heeckler & Koch USP. they are always up for auction at e-bay, yahoo, and auction arms.

-good luck and have fun-
john
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In Washington State, jackalopes are fairly common..


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Msg. 278245  Posted by Robert Geiger on August 22, 2000 at 21:53:41:

In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:

There's a 2-week hunting season for bucks only in October. The biggest I've seen was a beautiful 8-point buck, probably be about 25 pounds dressed.
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Msg. 278243  Posted by James L on August 22, 2000 at 21:49:38:

In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

Well you can always make a sling shot. Or just get an older follow to buy you one of the new fangled ones that use surgial tubing instead of rubber bands. Possibly a boy and arrows too you can make these yourself I did as a kid.
James L
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Msg. 278242  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:27:19:

In Reply to: Alternative to an airgun posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

See the posts about airsoft.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278241  Posted by Eli Gratz on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:31:

My mother has officially nixed the idea of an "airgun" Is there something else you can suggest that would be similiar. I like the idea of hitting a target or plinking and such. What other options are there of items in the same vein. Thanks a lot,
--Eli
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Jakalope (sp?) Not real (NT)


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Msg. 278240  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:26:01:

In Reply to: Wabbit with horns posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:

NT
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Msg. 278239  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:04:

Got your message and your e-mail keeps bouncing back. That's fine with me.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278238  Posted by Andrew on August 22, 2000 at 21:25:00:

If anyone ever goes to the resturant "applebees" which is all over the place, if u notice almost everyone of these places has a mounted rabbit head. Whats special about it? It had horns! Like small antlers. Recently my dad and I got into an argument if it was real or not! Are those horns put on the rabbit by the taxidermest, or are there really horned rabbits? My dad is betting that there are real horned rabbits, but im saying its a joke.


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Msg. 278237  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:22:32:

In Reply to: 6-18x50 swift scope posted by john on August 22, 2000 at 21:20:53:

Those are great mounts.

Regards,
Craig
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Those scenes make the gun more accurate! (NT)


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Msg. 278236  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:21:53:

In Reply to: Re: " To infinity, and beyond! " posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:25:02:

NT
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Msg. 278235  Posted by john on August 22, 2000 at 21:20:53:

i am probably going to order the 6-18x50 swift scope from sss, but i need to know if i have to order new mounts not as well. i have an hw97k and beeman 5030H mounts. will these mounts work with the new swift scope? also, has anyone had any problems with these scopes? i have seen some and they seem to be of excellent quality but i just want to check with you guys.
thnx in advance,
john
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Re: Here is just a question of curiosity. About laws (fun).


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Msg. 278234  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:18:15:

In Reply to: Here is just a question of curiosity. About laws (fun). posted by mikesb on August 22, 2000 at 21:15:50:

Guys in canada do and the guys in the UK live with POWER limits but not speed so far as I know. Japan has some isses...but I'm not sure if there are specific "speed" limits in the US except in very rare municiple ord.

Regards,
Craig
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Here is just a question of curiosity. About laws (fun).


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Msg. 278233  Posted by mikesb on August 22, 2000 at 21:15:50:

Does anyone else live with a projectile speed limit ordinance? Have you ever run into any trouble with that or something similar? Thanks for your well appreciated response.

And if you find laws interesting I apologise for the sarcasm.
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Msg. 278232  Posted by pilkguns on August 22, 2000 at 21:15:17:

In Reply to: Re: Any interesting places for an air gunner to visit in GA. posted by Alan in GA on August 22, 2000 at 07:25:19:

Tom Lowe Olympic Shooting Grounds (formely Wolf Creek), also home to the Archery National Championships, 404 629 4318
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Msg. 278231  Posted by Roland Martens on August 22, 2000 at 21:14:44:

In Reply to: Re: Yep, what he said. posted by TheMatrix on August 22, 2000 at 20:24:06:

How are they messing with you?

LOL
Roland
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Msg. 278230  Posted by Pepi on August 22, 2000 at 21:08:42:

In Reply to: Re: Sheridan posted by Larz on August 22, 2000 at 19:40:16:

Thanks Larz, I think I'll will try it..
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Msg. 278229  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:06:49:

In Reply to: Re: Would a spring SoftAir full auto wear out in 2 Minutes? posted by mikesb on August 22, 2000 at 21:03:28:

No need to be sorry, stick around and check out what we do...I just meant that you prob. won't find the info you are looking for here but it's still fun to see what other guys hobbies are.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278228  Posted by thom on August 22, 2000 at 21:04:38:

In Reply to: Re: Michigan Shoot results? posted by C. Martin on August 22, 2000 at 07:22:15:

Thanks Chuck. wish I know if they were going tp post. I enjoyed shooting with you too

thom
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Msg. 278227  Posted by mikesb on August 22, 2000 at 21:03:28:

In Reply to: Re: Would a spring SoftAir full auto wear out in 2 Minutes? posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:01:21:

Thanks, and sorry.
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Re: SS vs. R9


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Msg. 278226  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 21:02:05:

In Reply to: Re: SS vs. R9 posted by Sammy on August 22, 2000 at 00:41:11:

Sammy: I don't know your altitude, but that SS you had was sick if that's all it would do and you're under 1000 feet in elevation. Typically, they are around 670 fps with 14.3 Premiers. In .177 cal. the R-9 and SS produce identical power- if the R-9 is healthy. (been seeing several that only shoot at 855 fps 7.9 CP's lately- brand new guns!)They should be shooting CP lites at 880. RB
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Msg. 278225  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 21:01:21:

In Reply to: Would a spring SoftAir full auto wear out in 2 Minutes? posted by mikesb on August 22, 2000 at 20:51:06:

Bro this isn't a softair forum...if you look up "airsoft" or "softair" as you call it, on a search engine there are froums just like this for those kinds of guns. Most are nice to look at but not great to shoot. The types of airguns talked about here are VASTLY different then airsoft guns.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278224  Posted by Pepi on August 22, 2000 at 20:59:46:

In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

Killing seagulls with a pistol at 70 yards? I don't think there is any dead seagulls.....
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Msg. 278223  Posted by bh on August 22, 2000 at 20:57:58:

In Reply to: Re: Any Airgun clubs in the Richardson TX area? posted by Bill A on August 22, 2000 at 13:28:42:

bill please put in email address.thanks bh
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Msg. 278222  Posted by mikesb on August 22, 2000 at 20:51:06:

I looked at some of the softair guns and they seem to be too cheap or too expensive. Would buying a spring be a sane investment?
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Msg. 278221  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 20:43:05:

In Reply to: Spring Compressor from a car jack posted by Rx4TRBL on August 22, 2000 at 20:41:44:

Sounds feasible with the right engineering. Try it and let us know. RB
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Msg. 278220  Posted by J. Thomas on August 22, 2000 at 20:42:58:

In Reply to: Simmons scope 3-9 x32 posted by Greg S on August 22, 2000 at 20:01:25:

Have one on a blue streak. Too much parallax, and am going to take it off and try an a/o scope made for airguns.
If you shoot over 50 yds it should be fine, though.
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Msg. 278219  Posted by Rx4TRBL on August 22, 2000 at 20:41:44:

I've seen some of the spring compressors on the net and they seem kinda complicated for someone with limited woodworking skill and equipment so I hesitated to build one even though I needed it. Then it hit me, can't I just make a spring compressor using just wood, some metal U rings, some machine screws(w/ nuts) and a car jack. The obvious advantages would be price since you dont have to buy the threaded metal bars and spend gobs of time making the thing and you could also reuse the jack for it's intended purpose. Also, the use of the jack seems to be a more elegant approach to compressing the spring.

I figured, with the holes drilled in the right places, I could adjust it to different airguns if needed. I drew a picture (very lousy) but still thought it to be reasonable and haven't started building it yet. I'd be happy to furnish the picture once I get home to my scanner for those interested.

From your spring compressor building experience, would this be feasable(sp?)? Would it be a halfway decent idea?

Rx4TRBL

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Msg. 278218  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 20:41:16:

In Reply to: Re: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by matt sudol on August 22, 2000 at 20:20:55:

nt
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Msg. 278217  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 20:40:22:

In Reply to: Re: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Tmeg on August 22, 2000 at 19:47:41:

Yup- the fine is either $500 or $1000 per bird if you are SEEN shooting them (wounds are irrelevant). They are federally classified as migratory (although the ones around here aren't). RB
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Re: RWS 54 first gun, then R9. So, I think....


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Msg. 278216  Posted by Michael Aos on August 22, 2000 at 20:35:53:

In Reply to: RWS 54 first gun, then R9. So, I think.... posted by Ray Pyke on August 22, 2000 at 20:20:29:

I'd have to second that. After I got rid of the
RWS 54 .177, I started buying PCP's. I love
my Daystate(s), Tau, QB's, Career, etc. I've heard
nothing but good about the R9.

Mike
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Msg. 278215  Posted by Michael Aos on August 22, 2000 at 20:33:48:

In Reply to: What type of scale do I need to weigh Bulk CO2 tanks,and where can I get one?Thanks(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 14:38:02:

I bought a digital kitchen scale at Wal-Mart for
around $24. Works like a charm.

Mike
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Re: Leupold Scope


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Msg. 278214  Posted by Michael Aos on August 22, 2000 at 20:32:56:

In Reply to: Leupold Scope posted by Dave on August 22, 2000 at 18:16:29:

I should be receiving mine any day now....

Mike
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Re: Talon and Stealth


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Msg. 278213  Posted by Phil Herman on August 22, 2000 at 20:32:13:

In Reply to: Talon and Stealth posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 13:04:09:

Craig,
The only differences are that the Talon has an 18" Lothar Walther barrel and the adjustable valve and and D.O.T. certified bottle. The owner John said he wanted the U.S. to have a different version of the Stealth than the Brits.
Phil Herman

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Msg. 278212  Posted by Nick F. on August 22, 2000 at 20:30:09:

In Reply to: Re: Yes, its me, i know i know, stay seated... posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 19:20:10:

haha thatd be nice... a toyota 4x4, with big tires no doubt.. buttt i already passed my test, i took it thru our "so sophisticated"(haha in my most sarcastic tone) school drivers program, and i passed, so on my bday, 7 days from now, august 29, i goto school, see the driving the instructor and get my temp.. wooo, ok well take it easy all, good shootin
Nick F.
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Msg. 278211  Posted by TheMatrix on August 22, 2000 at 20:24:06:

In Reply to: Yep, what he said. posted by BSJ on August 22, 2000 at 19:56:20:

Really? There must be a bazillion and one of those birds near my shore home..How could they be unlawful to shoot?

As some of you may know, I am anti-killing things..unless they mess with me...then it's out with the Gamo. ;) I say this so you know that I dont shoot the seagulls.
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Msg. 278210  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 20:22:34:

In Reply to: I want your opinion. posted by Cody Dotter on August 22, 2000 at 20:16:04:

try the link below for costs or post a wanted ad, somebody may have a used one cheap.
What about a scope? Most PCP's don't come with sights...maybe buy a BSA Spitfire...save some coin.

Regards,
Craig


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Msg. 278209  Posted by matt sudol on August 22, 2000 at 20:20:55:

In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

Next time just call them pigeons. That is what some people call them when they refer to birds they shoot. Pigeons hang around and crap so do other birds people shoot so they just call them something that is open yearly and post stories about "pigeons".
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Msg. 278208  Posted by Ray Pyke on August 22, 2000 at 20:20:29:

In Reply to: Starter Air Rifle Beeman or RWS posted by Todd from Spokane on August 22, 2000 at 13:03:16:

The 54 was very heavy, and the trigger was very poor. I did not know this until I got the R9, which has an excellent trigger. Also, even after a JM tune, the 54, broke in, was extremely hold sensitive. The R9 is also hold sensitive, but not nearly so bad as the 54. The R9 shoots about 890 FPS after the JM FT tune. The 54 shot 1000 FPS after the tune. Because of weight, trigger, and cocking lever, the R9 is much better for me. I found that the break barrel was in no way less accurate. I see no comparison, especially when the 54 was twice as much as the R9. No brainer, in hindsight of course.
Ray
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Re: " Old Sheridan Pellets vs New "


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Msg. 278207  Posted by J. Thomas on August 22, 2000 at 20:17:34:

In Reply to: " Old Sheridan Pellets vs New " posted by Jim Slomski on August 21, 2000 at 23:14:59:

I have shot about half a box of the "new" cylindrical pellets and both of by blue streaks will put them into 1/2 to 3/4 inches at 15 yds. from a rest, which is about as good as I can do.

They don't look much like any other pellets I have seen, but the guns seem to like them.
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Msg. 278206  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 22, 2000 at 20:16:04:

Okay. I have enought $$$. Do you think I should buy a PCP gun. I have enough $$$ for the pump AND gun. I would be considering a Huntsman MK2. What does the .22 cal. FAC version cost in AMERICAN $$$? The gun looks nice and is powerful. Also how acurrate are they at 50 yards???
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Msg. 278205  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 20:15:59:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 20:00:19:

European Starlings but the North American Starling are...they are considered North American when they are 9 generations out....takes a blood test to determine and oddly that blood test normally kills them.

Regards,
Craig
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Re: " To infinity, and beyond! "


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Msg. 278204  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 20:13:50:

In Reply to: " To infinity, and beyond! " posted by bcd on August 22, 2000 at 18:18:47:

It depends on how the scope is built but yeah sometimes you gotta sacrafice some at the top to get the bottom.

Regards,
Craig
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Re: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol


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Msg. 278203  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 20:12:53:

In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

Not a real smart thing to do, esp in Baltimore.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278201  Posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 20:07:04:

In Reply to: What type of scale do I need to weigh Bulk CO2 tanks,and where can I get one?Thanks(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 14:38:02:


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Simmons scope 3-9 x32


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Msg. 278200  Posted by Greg S on August 22, 2000 at 20:01:25:

Has anyone owned one or heard anything about them,the 3-9x32,tinking of getting one for target practise and light hunting.Any opinions would be appreciated.
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Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum


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Msg. 278199  Posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 20:00:19:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 17:23:30:

Starlings are not native, therfore they are legal to keep.

Go figure.

Happy shooting

Steve
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Msg. 278198  Posted by MarkD on August 22, 2000 at 19:56:57:

In Reply to: Re: " To infinity, and beyond! " posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:25:02:

nt
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Msg. 278197  Posted by BSJ on August 22, 2000 at 19:56:20:

In Reply to: Re: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Tmeg on August 22, 2000 at 19:47:41:

Don't let anybody catch you. The Feds don't like that stuff.

Assuming you're in the US.
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Msg. 278196  Posted by Tmeg on August 22, 2000 at 19:47:41:

In Reply to: Flying Rats at 70 yds with my new Beeman P1 Pistol posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

You must be crazy! Seagulls are NOT to be messed
with!They are protected by the LAWMAN!


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Msg. 278195  Posted by Larz on August 22, 2000 at 19:40:16:

In Reply to: Sheridan posted by Pepi on August 22, 2000 at 18:34:34:

Yes, they do sell an all brass version known as the C9PB.

And yes, alot of folks have removed the original finish and opt'd for the all brass look.

Personally, I have only done this to a Crosman 120, but the process is basically the same.

I used a wire wheel to remove 99% of the finish then, some 0000 steel wool to get the rest. Afterwards I polished all exposed brass with a buffing compound and cotton buff.

After all is said and done, you could clear coat it or finish it with paste wax.

Good Luck

Larz



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Msg. 278194  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 19:40:01:

In Reply to: Re: You mean from you, or Her? ;) (actually both, in opposite directions, lol) (nt) posted by Tir on August 22, 2000 at 19:30:06:

Tim: if she's not in Mid Town NYC by now, she will be soon. RB
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Msg. 278193  Posted by Phillip Reedy on August 22, 2000 at 19:35:46:

In Reply to: Crosman 10 m Rifle Deal posted by Rick H. on August 22, 2000 at 09:11:31:

Hello Rick,

The owners of this forum did an article of this rifle in a recent issue of their publication "The Airgun Letter". You might want to call them and order an issue. The article pretty much tells all....

Phil Reedy
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Msg. 278192  Posted by Mastek on August 22, 2000 at 19:31:37:

Well, I just received a Beeman P1 pistol a few days ago, along with some RWS 8.2 gr. flat point pellets. Low and behold, the P1'a arrival coincided with the start of the flying rat season (sea gulls for you land lubbers). These critters pass through in droves every spring and fall, and make a crappy mess at the end of my pier. Very unhealthy for the kids swimming to have to walk in. Anyway, yesterday I got out the P1, and started taking a few shots at them. Now, the end of the pier is a good 70 yards from the deck on my house, so the shots varied
from about 55 to 70 yards. I really didn't expect to hit anything but much to my surprise I was able to pick off a few at 55-60 yards. It took several shots to get the "Kentucky elevation" correct, since it was WAY more than the adjustment range of the rear iron sight. Actually I had to keep the front blade about half way over the top of the rear notch. After a little practice, I was able to pick off the one at 55-60 yards with every 3rd or 4th shot. The ones at 70 yards are quite a bit more difficult. Probably takes 10-15 shots at that range to hit one.

Being new to airguns, I was astounded that the pistol had this level of accuracy. This was off a sandbag with iron sights.

Before anyone cries out with the inhumanity of hunting with inadequate power, I must point out that there is so little neergy left at this distance that the "rats" just fly away with a few ruffled feathers to perch a few hundred yards away.

This is the most fun I have had with a gun in quite some time.

Cheers,
Mike B.
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Msg. 278191  Posted by Tir on August 22, 2000 at 19:30:06:

In Reply to: Ooooo ! You're only 25 minutes away ! LOL nt posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 19:25:48:



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Msg. 278189  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 19:25:48:

In Reply to: Re: For keeping tabs on Martha???? ROFL (sorry Russ... couldn't let that one go) (nt) posted by Tir on August 22, 2000 at 19:22:43:

nt
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Msg. 278188  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 19:23:27:

In Reply to: if administered in sufficient quantities I suspect posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:53:38:

I always liked Oktoberfest in Munchen (or anywhere else for that matter). I always got into the songs-"In Munchen there's a Hofbrau haus... ein, zwei...." RB
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Msg. 278187  Posted by Tir on August 22, 2000 at 19:22:43:

In Reply to: Re: " To infinity, and beyond! " posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:25:02:


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Msg. 278186  Posted by ron on August 22, 2000 at 19:22:04:

In Reply to: 20 Cal for field target posted by Bob on August 21, 2000 at 16:24:58:

most use .177 because it is smaller in diameter. and isn't likely to split a pellet. they are fine but your have to hit the center.


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Msg. 278185  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 19:20:10:

In Reply to: Yes, its me, i know i know, stay seated... posted by Nick F. on August 21, 2000 at 21:15:58:

Nick: just a couple years ago, I remember my son getting stoked for his test. I had to let him use my 'good' car because the other car was acting up, and the inspector would probably write ME up for it. My good car is a 5 speed (Ford Probe) and the Bonneville (cursed vehicle)was an auto. He only got one wrong on the test, so he was super happy. He now owns a Toyota 4x4 Deluxe shortbed pickup with 5 speed and V-6, and some rather large tires !(nice truck). Goos luck. RB
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Msg. 278184  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 22, 2000 at 19:15:15:

In Reply to: Starter Air Rifle Beeman or RWS posted by Todd from Spokane on August 22, 2000 at 13:03:16:

I got one a while back in .177 & have been very impressed with it. Very accurate, good trigger, well crafted, good stock, less recoil & vibration & twang than a RWS (of which I own 2). Precision Sales has (or had, not sure if still in stock) them on sale for $302 including shipping. A very nice, well built airgun IMHO. Have a good one!
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Msg. 278183  Posted by Steve B. on August 22, 2000 at 19:08:28:

In Reply to: What type of scale do I need to weigh Bulk CO2 tanks,and where can I get one?Thanks(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 14:38:02:

I'm using a "Hanson Dietetic Scale Model 1460", this is a metric unit. It weighs to 1000 grams (one kilo) and has always been very sensitive; probably +/- 1 gram - it will deflect with one sheet of note book paper. I can toss a US Nickle ( 5 cents) onto the pan to check it and it's always read 5 grams - right on. It has an adjustable zero if thats a big deal - sometimes it is, sometimes not. I've seen them in Onces also, look in the kitchen departments of the big box joints or cooking boutiques. I bought this thing years ago when I was doing a lot of Pyrotechnic stuff and needed to weigh up small batches of materials. As I recall it cost around thirty dollars back then, your mileage may vary today. It's still very usefull for CO2 and Freeflight Model Airplane stuff.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 278182  Posted by M Boyle on August 22, 2000 at 19:05:16:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 17:23:30:

oh Craig? as you have the juice to report them. :) why dont you. ;)
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Msg. 278181  Posted by ron on August 22, 2000 at 19:03:49:

In Reply to: Re: applied science posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 14:35:00:

sniffing R-22 can mess up your head so you hear or not hear things. remember can't do 22 & 134 at the same time.

coolhand luke
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Msg. 278180  Posted by Stocky on August 22, 2000 at 19:01:30:

In Reply to: Re: Nick something???????? posted by Tim M. on August 22, 2000 at 17:15:28:

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Msg. 278179  Posted by Stocky on August 22, 2000 at 18:58:03:

In Reply to: For Swinson.... posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:15:27:

When my TSA B-22 was diesling I ran a few eley .22's through it ........

Man...they penetratsd a 2 X 4... out of sight....

But in general they are much too heavy for a springer.

What a great slug for a 707 though....I'd think!?

Stocky
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Msg. 278178  Posted by M Boyle on August 22, 2000 at 18:57:15:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 16:51:49:

if they ever saw a starling attack a song bird they might change..im sure theres a swedish rat lovers page somwhere
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Msg. 278177  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:53:38:

In Reply to: Re: ... a Spaten? What's that? (nt) posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 18:35:30:

Yes, I needed some time to think of this reply ;-)
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Msg. 278176  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 18:51:37:

In Reply to: Re: So Gary's premise is correct? posted by AC on August 20, 2000 at 09:25:03:

They rarely make it to the Used boards. As soon as someone starts talking about selling one here, it gets snatched up quickly. RB
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Msg. 278175  Posted by Bob on August 22, 2000 at 18:43:33:

In Reply to: 20 Cal for field target posted by Bob on August 21, 2000 at 16:24:58:

Gents:

Thanks for the comments. I appreciate the short version of the balistics answers. Those kind of statistics are a little dry for me. Although it is more fun than counting holes when patterning a shotgun. I will probably go with a TX200 and a Swift 669 Scope.

Bob
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Msg. 278174  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:42:24:

In Reply to: Beeman FTS pellets and M54 .177 good or bad? /nt posted by Scott on August 22, 2000 at 18:39:47:

... the F&T Trophies are supposed to be the originals, before Beeman slaps its label on.

Having said that, the Barracudas did better.

peter
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Msg. 278173  Posted by Scott on August 22, 2000 at 18:39:47:

nt

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Msg. 278171  Posted by TStray on August 22, 2000 at 18:39:00:

In Reply to: What type of scale do I need to weigh Bulk CO2 tanks,and where can I get one?Thanks(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 14:38:02:

They have the digital postal scales on Ebay day in and day out for under $40
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Msg. 278170  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:38:58:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Tir on August 22, 2000 at 18:31:17:

Don't be depressed when it DOESN'T show up, though ;-)

peter
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Msg. 278168  Posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 18:37:10:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 16:51:49:

nt
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Msg. 278167  Posted by Roland Martens on August 22, 2000 at 18:36:46:

In Reply to: Leupold Scope posted by Dave on August 22, 2000 at 18:16:29:

Light, clear optics, reduced size...A bit messy to adjust w&e if you have to in the field.
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Msg. 278166  Posted by MarkD on August 22, 2000 at 18:36:23:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 16:51:49:

nt
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Msg. 278165  Posted by bcd on August 22, 2000 at 18:36:12:

In Reply to: " To infinity, and beyond! " posted by bcd on August 22, 2000 at 18:18:47:

Thanks, guys ... Peter, if I buy a Zillion$ scope
that goes up to spotting scope power, I'd like to
think I could use it on my long range rifles, hence
the admittedly odd question.

For me, beer is an acquired taste which is quickly
lost ... unless it's German beer, in which case I
feel it is misnamed "beer", and should be called
"mother's milk".
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Msg. 278164  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 18:35:30:

In Reply to: ... a Spaten? What's that? (nt) posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:32:27:

It's one of those Munchen biers. Not bad actually! RB
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Msg. 278163  Posted by M Boyle on August 22, 2000 at 18:35:25:

In Reply to: Whoa,$95 bucks!Is there one around that is any cheaper?(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 17:08:02:

josh i spent $85+ on 10 tins of pellets..guess cheep or expensive is how you look at it..if its some thing like a scale its and investment not an expence "to Me' cut more lawns to get the money
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Msg. 278162  Posted by Roland Martens on August 22, 2000 at 18:34:34:

In Reply to: Re: " To infinity, and beyond! " posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 18:23:40:

Russ:
In the Burris catalog, checkout the data for Special Applications. It's a 8-32 FT scope. It says: focus from 10 m to 100 m.

LOL

Roland

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Msg. 278161  Posted by Pepi on August 22, 2000 at 18:34:34:

Has anyone every took the black finish off their Sheridan? Mine is worn down to the brass in many places. I think the gun would look cool all brass.
I'm not sure how you could remove the blueing.

I think they sell these in an all brass version?

Thanks
Pepi
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Msg. 278160  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:32:27:

In Reply to: Re: The beer is cold. (nt) posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 18:30:36:

nt
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Msg. 278159  Posted by Sean on August 22, 2000 at 18:32:27:

In Reply to: Re: Schimel Model P22 posted by Alan in GA on August 22, 2000 at 17:06:32:

does any one happen to know where i can get 8 gram co2?
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Msg. 278158  Posted by Tir on August 22, 2000 at 18:31:17:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:14:50:

haha ... I gave some thought to mollifying some ruffled feathers with a "I'm ok - you're okay" post too. I'll definitely be looking for yours ;)

Tim
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Msg. 278157  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 18:30:36:

In Reply to: The beer is cold. (nt) posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:27:41:

It sure is ! I just pulled a Spaten out of the 'fridge.( I'm out of Grolsch):>) Russ
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Msg. 278156  Posted by Geron on August 22, 2000 at 18:28:42:

In Reply to: Chinese B3-1 rifle posted by Alan on August 22, 2000 at 15:00:33:

My XS B3-1 ain't a rabbit hunter. I may have a fluke but out of dozens of pellets the FTS is the only pellet that comes close to decent groups and they don't group well enough for hunting. fps is marginal for starling/mice and inadequate for anything larger. Like I said, I may have a bad one but I don't recommend it for hunting. Good trunk gun for plinking tin cans which it occasionally hits.

Geron
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Msg. 278155  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:27:41:

In Reply to: Re: " To infinity, and beyond! " posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 18:27:10:

nt
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Msg. 278154  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 18:27:10:

In Reply to: Re: " To infinity, and beyond! " posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:25:02:

Peter: watch it! Steve is in europe right now and may be reading this. heh heh. You may get a knock on your door soon. :>) Russ
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Msg. 278153  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:25:02:

In Reply to: " To infinity, and beyond! " posted by bcd on August 22, 2000 at 18:18:47:

Beyond works for me. I have recently found that mine does go to beyond -- meaning, if I look at the stars (which surely I'm not going to acquire 1" or even 1' groups at, even in the unlikely event that I should deploy a hideous gun with cheesy hunting scenes on the side panels -- live up to this challenge, Craig!), I have to turn the AO bell just a teensy tiny bit back from full stop.

Having said that, I sit here wondering at any useful application of an airgun scope focusing to... say.... 1000 yards or something.

Baffledly yours,
peter

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Msg. 278152  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 18:23:40:

In Reply to: " To infinity, and beyond! " posted by bcd on August 22, 2000 at 18:18:47:

BCD: I have a wide selection of scopes and none have that problem. I DO recall the postings you are referring to though. The problem you mentioned seems to occur in scopes that are not designed for close focusing. When the front lens position is altered to allow for close focus, the focus at infinity can be less than perfect. RB
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Msg. 278151  Posted by Howard on August 22, 2000 at 18:21:23:

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Msg. 278150  Posted by M Boyle on August 22, 2000 at 18:20:02:

In Reply to: Yep: posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:10:49:

oops i was a little slow..had a spam attack and ws misderrected :)
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Msg. 278149  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 18:19:06:

In Reply to: Leupold Scope posted by Dave on August 22, 2000 at 18:16:29:

Good but expensive.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278148  Posted by bcd on August 22, 2000 at 18:18:47:

I dimly recall a post that implied SOME AO scopes
may not focus to infinity. Is that the norm or
the exception? If it's true of some, is there a
tendency among specific mfgrs to be one way or the
other?
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Msg. 278147  Posted by M Boyle on August 22, 2000 at 18:18:35:

In Reply to: Used Airgun scopes? posted by DAN on August 22, 2000 at 17:22:54:

try there

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Msg. 278146  Posted by Dave on August 22, 2000 at 18:16:29:

Has anyone used a 3-9x32 Leupold airgun scope on their airgun, and if so how did you like it?
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Msg. 278145  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:14:50:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by CurtB on August 22, 2000 at 18:00:38:

As a matter of fact, I mustered my best politically correct capacities (the old hands at this forum will know that if I put myself at it, that can be quite a bundle) and DID submit a post.

It'll be interesting to see whether it'll make it up there, since it's a moderated forum.

peter
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Msg. 278144  Posted by RBest on August 22, 2000 at 18:13:58:

In Reply to: Career barrel threads posted by Don on August 22, 2000 at 18:03:13:

Don: the drd's aren't threaded at all! The smallest I.D. is 9/16ths "(roughly 14mm). RB
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Msg. 278143  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 18:13:03:

In Reply to: Career barrel threads posted by Don on August 22, 2000 at 18:03:13:

No the DRD's do not use threads at all. Plus you need a slight extension to clear the fill port on the 707 so the DRD's don't really work.
lastly they are barely effectual on the higher power guns.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278142  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 18:10:49:

In Reply to: Used Airgun scopes? posted by DAN on August 22, 2000 at 17:22:54:

nt

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Msg. 278141  Posted by bcd on August 22, 2000 at 18:03:22:

In Reply to: Re: Diff in R1 and R9 justify price.. caliber rec for pest control posted by Larz on August 22, 2000 at 09:09:37:

If so, and the distances will mostly be under 30 yds,
stick with the .177 to minimize ricochet if it's a
consideration.
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Msg. 278140  Posted by Don on August 22, 2000 at 18:03:13:

Does anyone know if any of the "D.R.D.s" that Pyramid Air sells will fit the barrel threads on a career? I called them and He didn't seem to know. I'm told the threads on a career are M 10 X 1. Thanks in advance.
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Msg. 278139  Posted by CurtB on August 22, 2000 at 18:00:38:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 16:51:49:

I really had to fight the temptation to post to that board...
but I guess I would have been dismissed as just another
mean, ignorant person since I don't like what starlings
(and house sparrows) do to our native birds. It's also
probably a good idea to refrain from getting into a pissing
match with these people - we as gun owners don't need their
attention. Remember, these kooks can vote too.
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Msg. 278138  Posted by Greg J. on August 22, 2000 at 17:57:13:

In Reply to: Post your comments on -- Walther CP-99 posted by TheMatrix on August 22, 2000 at 02:55:47:

Matrix,
The CP-99 is the second most accurate Umarex pistol IMHO. The S/W 357 is the most accurate. The CP-99 is factory-sighted for 10m and mine lived up to this claim. Both of my CP-88s shot 6" or more high. The magazines seem to fit and operate w/o binding betterin the CP-99 than the CP-88s. Be sure to read the instructions because afew things are different. For instance, Ithought it was only double action because the hammer wasn't visible. Ishot up my first CO2 cylinder in d/a. then Idiscovered the slide had to be pulled back for s/a. Real nice trigger pull in s/a. Read up on clip and CO2 installation also.
Good luck, G.J.
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Msg. 278137  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 17:41:31:

In Reply to: No gun,I was just trying to figure out how much its gonna cost for me to get into Bulk CO2.(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 17:36:42:

Just talk to Tim, he'll hook you up. maybe send him an e-mail with what exactly you want to do, what gun, etc. he's been down that road about 5 million times, prob got a whole system.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278136  Posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 17:36:42:

In Reply to: Re: Whoa,$95 bucks!Is there one around that is any cheaper?(nt) posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 17:25:38:


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Msg. 278135  Posted by AC on August 22, 2000 at 17:31:57:

In Reply to: curiousity and Career sales on Brad's classifieds posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 12:42:31:

I'm glad you brought this up. I questioned the original writer about it, but there was no response supporting his assertion that "everyone" was selling careers.
AC
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Msg. 278134  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 17:25:38:

In Reply to: Whoa,$95 bucks!Is there one around that is any cheaper?(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 17:08:02:

dude any scale that gan weight grams should be pretty good. It has to go gram to gram and be fairly accurate. maybe check with Mac-1. What Co2 gun do you have? you get a match gun?

Regards,
Craig
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Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum


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Msg. 278133  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 17:23:30:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve on August 22, 2000 at 17:10:21:

Yeah I just saw that they keep them. That I think is VERY bad. In fact in most states it's illegal to keep a wild bird (or animal) unless you are a rehabilitator.

Regards,
Craig
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Used Airgun scopes?


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Msg. 278132  Posted by DAN on August 22, 2000 at 17:22:54:

Can anyone tell me where used scopes are for sale on the web?
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Re: Nick something????????


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Msg. 278131  Posted by Tim M. on August 22, 2000 at 17:15:28:

In Reply to: Nick something???????? posted by Stocky on August 22, 2000 at 11:17:51:

Adams.
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Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum


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Msg. 278130  Posted by Steve on August 22, 2000 at 17:10:21:

In Reply to: Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 17:04:14:

Yea it is scary to see the other side of the fence.

Hey I have no problem at all with them keeping starlings as pets and I told them that.
If they have them caged up, at least they arn't out killing native birds.

Yes everyone needs a hobby and if there hobby is raising Starlings, then more power to them.

I post to a few other bird forums and if you just substitute the name of the bird, the posts read the same.

Take it easy and Happy Shooting

Steve

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Msg. 278129  Posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 17:08:02:

In Reply to: Re: What type of scale do I need to weigh Bulk CO2 tanks,and where can I get one?Thanks(nt) posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 15:13:48:

I'm only 13 remember,isnt there a scale that is less refined or whatever?

Thanks-Josh P.
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Re: Schimel Model P22


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Msg. 278128  Posted by Alan in GA on August 22, 2000 at 17:06:32:

In Reply to: Schimel Model P22 posted by sean on August 22, 2000 at 12:09:54:

I'm cheap and pay $30-$50 for non working part guns. They sell for about $125 to $225 for good to origional condition with all box and papers. I charge $75 plus $ for missing metal parts to rebuild them. They are pot metal that tends to weaken with only age and bread easily if mishandled, especially trigger and grip lever. alan in ga.
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Re: Starling Lovers Chat Forum


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Msg. 278127  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 17:04:14:

In Reply to: Starling Lovers Chat Forum posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 16:51:49:

Now Steve don't start bombing the place everybody can have a hobby. Note they call you a "gun nut", that's the kinda press we really need! =)

Regards,
Craig


PS I think most "normal" people see and airgun foruma and say about the same thing:

Boy you just have to see this one for it to be believed.

Check out the URL it's worth a laugh at the very least.

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Good hearing from ya Nick NT


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Msg. 278126  Posted by MarkD on August 22, 2000 at 16:59:25:

In Reply to: Yes, its me, i know i know, stay seated... posted by Nick F. on August 21, 2000 at 21:15:58:

nt
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Msg. 278125  Posted by Steve Forbes on August 22, 2000 at 16:51:49:

Boy you just have to see this one for it to be believed.

Check out the URL it's worth a laugh at the very least.

Happy Shooting

Steve (aka) Starlingkiller

http://www.geocities.com/starlingkiller/

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Co2UNE your Qb78 or Cr160


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Msg. 278124  Posted by CJ on August 22, 2000 at 16:49:08:

Co2UNE

Qb78 and Cr160 tune, Co2UNE makes it hotter.
.22 cal 13.2gr Daisy pellet
630FPS 11.8FPE stock
740FPS 16.05FPE Co2UNED

.177 cal 7.9gr CPL
620FPS 6.74FPE stock
770FPS 10.40FPE Co2UNED

Co2UNE $40 plus shipping contact me by Email for Details

CJ

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Re: 707 and pellet combination...what do you prefer???


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Msg. 278123  Posted by MarkD on August 22, 2000 at 16:47:18:

In Reply to: 707 and pellet combination...what do you prefer??? posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 04:05:10:

Dutch my gun seems to like .22cal premiers and beeman kodiaks these are my choices for long range shooting Crow mags are awsome terminaly speaking but are not very accurate past 25 yrds for me.
MarkD
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Re: Any word on the Swift 8-32's?


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Msg. 278121  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 16:16:47:

In Reply to: Re: Any word on the Swift 8-32's? posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 15:49:54:

I thought it was apparent, but indeed, that's a no.

I'm still trying to recover from the Shamal and from being out of a job for a couple weeks.

peter
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Re: Like I said, it was merely curiousity


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Msg. 278120  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 15:56:56:

In Reply to: Like I said, it was merely curiousity posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 14:05:09:

Ahhh who are you kidding...I know you think beemans stink...don't try and hide it! =)

Regards,
Craig

PS that was a joke.
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Re: Any word on the Swift 8-32's?


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Msg. 278119  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 15:49:54:

In Reply to: Re: Any word on the Swift 8-32's? posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 12:54:34:

So I guess that's a no?
Regards,
Craig
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Re: For Swinson....


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Msg. 278118  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 15:44:52:

In Reply to: Re: For Swinson.... posted by Rick on August 22, 2000 at 15:39:46:

Tehy may be a bit snug, I use H&N FTTS in the 707 and CP's and Beemna FTS. The eleys require a shuttle adjustment if you don't have the mods.

Regards,
craig
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Re: For Swinson....


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Msg. 278117  Posted by Rick on August 22, 2000 at 15:39:46:

In Reply to: Re: For Swinson.... posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:44:24:


Don't know how the 30 gr. Eleys shoot in a Career but they shoot great in my 50 fpe Huntsman. Rick
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Msg. 278116  Posted by docwells on August 22, 2000 at 15:39:42:

In Reply to: Simmons 44mag scope, I need help on finding someone in the US that sells the Sunshade! posted by Troy on August 22, 2000 at 14:13:42:

Try the following. It's SWFA and they have it for $14.99. You will need to scroll down.
http://www.swfa.com/riflescopes/simmons/index.html.

if that doesn't get you there, you can try this:
www.riflescopes.com
same site, but will put you at their homepage. Just follow the appropriate links.

I hope this is the one you were talking about. The item # matched, so I think you're in luck.

Good luck,
E

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Msg. 278115  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 15:38:05:

In Reply to: Simmons 44mag scope, I need help on finding someone in the US that sells the Sunshade! posted by Troy on August 22, 2000 at 14:13:42:

Try the link below?
I've gotten them from SWFA, natchez (sp) and cabella's.
Regards,
Craig

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Re: Raptor Mags


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Msg. 278114  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 15:32:08:

In Reply to: Re: Raptor Mags posted by Mike Reames on August 22, 2000 at 15:17:02:

EXACTLY. I guess that's a 'feature'. It actually makes pellet selection for rifle a bit difficult.
MKI mags are "smaller" and do not fit right either.
Regards,
Craig
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Re: I have the old 45...when it looked like a Colt 45


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Msg. 278113  Posted by catdog on August 22, 2000 at 15:29:48:

In Reply to: Re: I have the old 45...when it looked like a Colt 45 posted by James L on August 22, 2000 at 13:50:36:

Actually the appearance is very close,i have a 44 mag Desert Eagle.The new ones have a gold frame thats kool but i dont like two tone guns i wish they would have made it all gold finish.the gun is very fun to shoot as the slide actions like a real gun but the downside is that after about 30 rds the c02 doesnt have enough left to cycle the action and you have to pull the slide back after each shot but like i said thats only for the last 10 shots or so,when mine wont cycle i just shoot out the remaining c02 and put in a fresh one.Not that accurate but its mostly for fun 20 shot as fast as you can pull the trigger,good for action shooting and very kool looking gun.
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Re: For Swinson....


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Msg. 278112  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 15:17:43:

In Reply to: For Swinson.... posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:15:27:

Toller or Mac-1 depends on the time of year and price. They weight 30.6 grains

Regards,
Craig
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Re: Raptor Mags


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Msg. 278111  Posted by Mike Reames on August 22, 2000 at 15:17:02:

In Reply to: Raptor Mags posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 13:42:28:

My rifle mags have a larger hole than the newer ones I have for the pistol, but I haven't actually miked them. They do not easily interchange either. M
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Ian Pellant's 1st Big Bore Match Airgun video, Do you have a copy?


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Msg. 278110  Posted by DAC on August 22, 2000 at 15:16:40:

I am looking for someone willing to lend me a copy for a few days (I'll refund your shipping charges and pay insurance for its safe return)

I was present when they taped the whole thing a few years ago and I am willing to buy it from Ian Pellant of course, but I need to see it first before I buy it so I can check one minor detail. I do need to see the footage so it is not something you can do for me since I know what I am looking for and it would be hard to convey. Help!
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Msg. 278109  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 15:13:48:

In Reply to: What type of scale do I need to weigh Bulk CO2 tanks,and where can I get one?Thanks(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 14:38:02:

look u nder the resources section for Don Nygord, nygod precision produts or something like that...digital scale to go from 1gm to 1000gm.

Regards,
Craig
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Daisy Mod. 131


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Msg. 278108  Posted by Bob Miller on August 22, 2000 at 15:00:35:

I have a Daisy mod. 131 in 177 cal. It shoots very accurate. It is made a lot like my Gamo 500.
Anyone know if it's made by Gamo?
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Chinese B3-1 rifle


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Msg. 278107  Posted by Alan on August 22, 2000 at 15:00:33:

Anyone familiar with this gun? In particular, what about performance, accuracy and quality (given the low price, obviously). Is it a reasonable choice for occasional rabbit hunting?

Thanks

Alan
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Re: For Swinson....


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Msg. 278106  Posted by Larz on August 22, 2000 at 14:58:31:

In Reply to: Re: For Swinson.... posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:44:24:

Then you're OK...

Larz
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Re: Crosman 600


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Msg. 278105  Posted by Bob on August 22, 2000 at 14:50:10:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 600 posted by Randy Bimrose, BPAR on August 22, 2000 at 03:21:59:


Thanks...
Bob
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Re: For Swinson....


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Msg. 278103  Posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:44:24:

In Reply to: Re: For Swinson.... posted by Larz on August 22, 2000 at 14:43:20:

I want to run them through my 707.
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Re: For Swinson....


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Msg. 278102  Posted by Larz on August 22, 2000 at 14:43:20:

In Reply to: For Swinson.... posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:15:27:

I'm not "Swinson", but...

The Eley magnums weigh over 30 grs and you can get that at (among other places)
Golden Toller. I wouldn't use them in ANY springer though.

Later

Larz
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Msg. 278101  Posted by Josh P. on August 22, 2000 at 14:38:02:


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Re: applied science


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Msg. 278100  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 14:35:00:

In Reply to: Re: Like I said, it was merely curiousity posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:20:35:

I find discussing quiet thingies cause comotion and best not done around the BATF associates....LOL!

Seriously, at the lowest setting my .20 is perceived by me to be a little louder than a 2250 on a fresh CO2 cart....basement tolerable. But then, I played rock for a living for four years prior to coming to Liebert Corp, and may have cooked my eardrums :-)

Jack


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Msg. 278099  Posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:20:35:

In Reply to: Like I said, it was merely curiousity posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 14:05:09:

Hey Jack,

Just apply a quiet thingy and you won't have to worry about shooting in the city. I do all of the time.

Dutch
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Re: Starter Air Rifle Beeman or RWS


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Msg. 278098  Posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:17:43:

In Reply to: Starter Air Rifle Beeman or RWS posted by Todd from Spokane on August 22, 2000 at 13:03:16:

If quality is a concern get a beeman. If accuracy is not get an RWS. Better yet just skip the whole spring thing and save your self a little cash by just getting into pcp from the get go.

Dutch
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For Swinson....


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Msg. 278097  Posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:15:27:

Where do you get these infamous .22 elely bullets??? Do you know how much they weigh??

Thanks

Dutch
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Simmons 44mag scope, I need help on finding someone in the US that sells the Sunshade!


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Msg. 278096  Posted by Troy on August 22, 2000 at 14:13:42:

Hello all,
I am having problem trying to find a (model #SSM4748) Sunshade for M1048x Rangefinder scope (44mag). If theres someone out there that know of a US websight or place that sells them please post it. I have been looking for this forever and im tired of having a dixie cup on the end of my scope!
Much thanks to anyone that can help!

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Re: Dutch when you ask questions about pellets and guns.....


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Msg. 278095  Posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 14:09:33:

In Reply to: Dutch when you ask questions about pellets and guns..... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 22, 2000 at 12:26:49:

That Caliber is .22 and my gun is the long 707. So far I have come to the conclusion that my gun does not like the super h points. They don't seem to be a very uniform pellet upon visual inspection. I do have some crow magnums. I will shoot those up next week. For now I am going to burn through my .22 super h points.

Later

Dutch
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OK; here goes.....


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Msg. 278094  Posted by Alan on August 22, 2000 at 14:08:53:

In Reply to: !!!!! Thank you for your reply! Questions within. posted by Lloyd S. on August 22, 2000 at 07:25:34:

SMK advertise the gun quite heavily for mail order; a string of discount houses called Trago Mills sells it retail for much less money.

Comes with iron sights, basically adjustable for windage and elevation. Has a dovetail for scope mounting(I've got a Simmons 6x40 on mine).

No plastic in construction, but some metal and screws are poor, soft metal - easily damaged.

Max advised pumps is 6, but pumping above this is pointless as power doesn't increase much. Probably due to piston, which is a basic rubber cup assembly: IMHO the first thing to upgrade. The pump is not terribly sturdy, having only a single screw at the pivot and fulcrum.

The Italian stock is simply a slightly more stylish design than the -er- 'functional' Chinese original, which is probably actually better quality wood.

Overall length 35.5"; butt to trigger 13.75"; barrel length 19"; 12 rifling grooves.

The valve is held directly in place by the triigger mechanism, and blows when the sear is released, ie there is no hammer and blow-off valve as I believe is the case with Ben/Sher guns. IMHO, tuning the (heavy) trigger would cause unexpected discharges of the gun. Although heavy and uncomfortably thin, I found I soon became used to the trigger: probably not for FT though!

The multi-shot mechanism is a simple rotating magazine into which up to 11 pellets are individually loaded, and are then loaded into the breech by manually revolving the magazine and pushing the pellet into place with the lift-and pull bolt; this is the only function of the bolt, because of the nature of the valve.

The B45-3 is a cheap and cheerful, knockabout gun; it is not an equivalent of the Ben/Sher guns, but in the UK is less than a third of the price (new CB9 Bluestreak is $200 here).

Hope this information is helpful; let me know if you want to know anything else.

Cheers

Alan

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Like I said, it was merely curiousity


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Msg. 278093  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 14:05:09:

In Reply to: Re: curiousity and Career sales on Brad's classifieds posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 13:15:19:

Just something that struck me while eating lunch, so I browsed through the listings...nothing earth-shattering :-)

I look at the case of the "loud carbine" as one of those situations where more information may have been warranted before the purchase. Although, turned down to minimum settings with CP's, my .20 rifle isn't bad at all in the basement range...in the city (yes, without a DRD). Outdoors in the area where we shoot, it doesn't matter at all, crank it up.

btw- I was just joking about Beemans.

Jack

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Msg. 278091  Posted by James L on August 22, 2000 at 13:50:36:

In Reply to: Re: I have the old 45...when it looked like a Colt 45 posted by catdog on August 22, 2000 at 12:17:21:

What do you think of the 400GX? How close does it look to a desert eagle? how does it function?
Thanks
James L
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Raptor Mags


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Msg. 278090  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 13:42:28:

Anybody have Raptor mags that seem a little "big" in the diameter of the holes? this last one I got seems to do 5,6 or so.

Regards,
Craig
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Thanks - will just ship the lever.....nt


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Msg. 278089  Posted by Bill in NC on August 22, 2000 at 13:31:54:

In Reply to: HW97 - broken cocking lever release button - help?? posted by Bill in NC on August 22, 2000 at 10:56:02:

nt
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Re: Crosman 10 m Rifle Deal


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Msg. 278088  Posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 13:28:46:

In Reply to: Crosman 10 m Rifle Deal posted by Rick H. on August 22, 2000 at 09:11:31:

$195 is a good deal. it usually goes for $250.
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Re: Any Airgun clubs in the Richardson TX area?


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Msg. 278087  Posted by Bill A on August 22, 2000 at 13:28:42:

In Reply to: Re: Any Airgun clubs in the Richardson TX area? posted by John Sa. on August 21, 2000 at 20:07:26:

I just moved back to my farm between Terrell and Kaufman. I have plenty of space to shoot and would like to shoot with some airgunners in this area. I love to shoot and ride motorcycles.
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Msg. 278086  Posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 13:26:46:

In Reply to: where can i find the Beeman Silent Trap for sale online??? nt. posted by Jake S. on August 22, 2000 at 11:38:34:

Dr. Joe, Straight Shooters, or you can make your own by putting Duct Seal in the trap you currently use. you can get Duct Seal at-

http://www.usahardware.com/inet/webSession/store/dept-3/department/dept-3/item/30230/icn/20-543165/lookin/30230/g_b_electrical/ds-130.htm

-john
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Msg. 278085  Posted by john from NY on August 22, 2000 at 13:23:02:

In Reply to: Starter Air Rifle Beeman or RWS posted by Todd from Spokane on August 22, 2000 at 13:03:16:

Ditto what Swinson said. I'd go with the R-9.

-john
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Msg. 278084  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 13:15:19:

In Reply to: curiousity and Career sales on Brad's classifieds posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 12:42:31:

Numbers in the market more guns in the market more guns to be resold. To me performance includes "too loud". I don't think anyone ever said they don't perform.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278083  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 13:08:19:

In Reply to: Starter Air Rifle Beeman or RWS posted by Todd from Spokane on August 22, 2000 at 13:03:16:

Great choice.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278082  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 13:06:22:

In Reply to: Re: where can i find the Beeman Silent Trap for sale online??? nt. posted by Mike in Indy on August 22, 2000 at 12:26:12:

Absolutely right but after having both the Joe MD is much nicer.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278081  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 13:04:09:

Just read the online article for the Talon. What are the major differences between the Stealth that Mac has been selling forever and the Talon that Pyramyd sells? From the article and from seeing the guns it doesn't seem like much.
As well somebody should thell the guy that a safety that PULLS TOWARDS the trigger is the most dangerous idea yet. I mean I finally bought a couple of them used and thank god the trigger is so stiff. Neat gun but not really sure that there is a whole lot of difference.
For me some of the cons were, too thin of a gun, very rear heavy, loud at the ear (due to the chamber and transfer port arrangement, and sort of unfinnished in look (sort of stamped metal feel). Just my opinion.

Regards,
Craig

PS if you have one try the Eley bullets...those are killer.
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Msg. 278080  Posted by Todd from Spokane on August 22, 2000 at 13:03:16:

Where should I start. I am leaning towards the R-9. Is there a better choice?? I have settled on .177. This will be for plinking, informal target and the occasional small varmint.
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Msg. 278079  Posted by Rick H. on August 22, 2000 at 13:00:31:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 10 m Rifle Deal posted by Ron Y. on August 22, 2000 at 09:39:29:

That sounds like the rifle, and the picture at the other link looks like it too. I guess if it's advertised in the NRA newsletter, it'll be around for a while. I'll wait and see what people have to say about it before I buy. Thanks to all for responding so quickly.
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Msg. 278078  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 12:57:03:

In Reply to: BORING TOPIC \ALERT!! BORING TOPIC ALERT!! (nt) posted by Tony Clifton on August 21, 2000 at 12:26:44:

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Msg. 278077  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 12:54:34:

In Reply to: Re: Any word on the Swift 8-32's? posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 10:16:16:

I'd be happy if I could show up at the Europeans! darnit...
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Msg. 278076  Posted by Michael Aos on August 22, 2000 at 12:53:51:

In Reply to: Re: :Leupold 6.5 x 20EFR or BL Elite 4200 4 x16 x50mm posted by Mark Lemm on August 21, 2000 at 23:47:28:

I have a Scopechief 4-15x50 on my Daystate Huntsman
.177 and I love it. Great scope.

Mike
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Msg. 278075  Posted by Michael Aos on August 22, 2000 at 12:53:05:

In Reply to: Re: :Leupold 6.5 x 20EFR or BL Elite 4200 4 x16 x50mm posted by chasm on August 21, 2000 at 21:21:22:

Exactly how close does the 4.5-14 Leupold focus?

Mike
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Msg. 278074  Posted by Michael Aos on August 22, 2000 at 12:51:36:

In Reply to: Can't make up my mind SIMMONS or BUSHNELL....HELP......! posted by Greg S on August 21, 2000 at 19:52:27:

I _love_ my Bushnell Scopechief 4-15x50. Very nice.

Sportview 3-9x32 is OK, but I have a Leupold 3-9x33
EFR on order for my QB77 -- or Tau Safari .22, can't
quite decide.

Mike
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Msg. 278073  Posted by Michael Aos on August 22, 2000 at 12:47:13:

In Reply to: Re: Would a BSA scope 3x9 or 4x12 be decent for a career 707? posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 03:58:40:

I have a BSA Contender 6-24x40 on my Tau Safari .22.

I'll agree, it's probably my least-favorite scope,
but for the price it's really not too bad.

Mike
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Msg. 278072  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 12:42:31:

The thread earlier this week about "why is everyone selling their Careers" sparked my curiousity, plus the fact that I just bought a Career myself. So I looked just now at the past few days (8/15-8/18) on Brad's classifieds...here is what I find for sale:

4 Career (see info below)
18 Crosman
1 Air Arms
3 Ben/Sher
1 Slavia
1 Winchester
1 Tau 7
1 Chameleon
1 BSA
3 RWS
5 Beeman
1 QB1
1 FWB
3 Marksman
1 S&W
1 XS-B3
7 Daisy
2 Anschutz
2 Heathway
1 Gamo
1 Diana
4 Webley
1 Arco
1 Stalker

The 4 Careers being sold had logical reasons that had nothing to do with the gun's performance; a Tanker that is too loud for it's new owner, a .22 rifle who's owner is too busy shooting his 9mm Career, a 10mm custom job, and a carbine that was taken in on trade by a dealer)

One might ask, "If Beemans are so good, why is everyone (5 people) selling them?" :-)

Jack


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Msg. 278071  Posted by James D. on August 22, 2000 at 12:41:35:

In Reply to: AirPistol Selection posted by Bill Russell on August 19, 2000 at 11:25:53:

IZH-46 entry level 10m match pistol

Beeman P3 half the price of the IZH-46!
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Msg. 278070  Posted by James D. on August 22, 2000 at 12:37:27:

In Reply to: STAND YOUR GROUND! UPS's own internal regs allow shipping airguns. The local people are busybodies. Call the 1-800 customer service number and complain. They WILL fix the problem. I've done the same thing. nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 21, 2000 at 22:18:58:

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Msg. 278069  Posted by Driskill on August 22, 2000 at 12:35:00:

In Reply to: " Old Sheridan Pellets vs New " posted by Jim Slomski on August 21, 2000 at 23:14:59:

The new Sheridan yellow box pellets are excellent, and shoot better in my old rocker-safety gun than Premiers. Rumor has it they were designed specifically for the Sheridan.

The old Sheridan "ash can" design is one of the worst ever. The problem IMHO is that the head is too narrow to contact the rifling firmly, thus they can tip a bit sideways in the bore. The last time I shot these in my Sheridan many of them hit the backstop sideways or even backwards!
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Msg. 278068  Posted by ~shabang~ on August 22, 2000 at 12:30:10:

In Reply to: HW97 - broken cocking lever release button - help?? posted by Bill in NC on August 22, 2000 at 10:56:02:

*VERY* common problem these days. Same thing happened on my brand new HW97K Millenium. Beeman sent a UPS call tag to my home for pickup. Had the gun back in 2 weeks. They ended up drilling a hole into the cocking arm and placing a set screw to hold everything in. Gotta love HW quality of late!

~shabang~

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Msg. 278067  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 22, 2000 at 12:28:41:

In Reply to: Thanks Marty, I suspected as much.... (nt) posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 12:13:48:

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Msg. 278066  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 22, 2000 at 12:26:49:

In Reply to: 700 korean domed pellets that is nt posted by Dutch on August 22, 2000 at 04:06:12:

You should include the caliber and configuration i.e. Carbine or long gun.

Kinda hard to help with incomplete info. Also I can already tell you the Career does NOT like every pellet just like any pellet rifle does not like every pellet. My Career .22 Carbine hates the RWS Superdome, and even certain pellets while the same exact shape but offered in different weights will shoot either good or bad, in a particular gun.

My Career .25 long gun, shoots the Kodiak pellet very well, also with the exception of the occational flier also shoots the Crow Mag pellet very well, the Korean domes are exceptionally accurate, as are the 35g Pellet man pellets. This is all I have tried in the .25.

The .22 Career Carbine of mine, likes Premiers, hates the Superdome, loves the Korean heavies, shoots the Crow Mag very well with the occational flier, and I have yet to test the Pellet man pellets in it, as my Carbine is not here right now. But will be soon.

HTH
Marty
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Msg. 278065  Posted by Mike in Indy on August 22, 2000 at 12:26:12:

In Reply to: Re: where can i find the Beeman Silent Trap for sale online??? nt. posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 12:03:53:

Straight Shooters has them:

http://www.straightshooters.com/beeman/btarget.html
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Msg. 278064  Posted by Sloop on August 22, 2000 at 12:24:05:

In Reply to: HW97 - broken cocking lever release button - help?? posted by Bill in NC on August 22, 2000 at 10:56:02:

Bill:
Had this happen in my HW77, and know of several other people that have had the same problem. Theres a small c-clip that holds everything in, but I couldn't figure out how to get in there to replace it and then load the spring and button and all back in. So I removed the cocking arm and assembly and sent only that part in to Beeman for repair, not the whole gun. If you do that, make sure you get a return reciept for proof of delivery to them. Mine was fixed for no charge, but took about 2 months to get back. Give them a call.
Sloop
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Msg. 278063  Posted by DaveG on August 22, 2000 at 12:21:44:

In Reply to: Would a BSA scope 3x9 or 4x12 be decent for a career 707? posted by manasek on August 22, 2000 at 03:15:42:

The 3X9 has a 40mm objective, and sells for around $50. The 4X12 is actually a 3X12, and has a 44mm objective and sells for around $85. I have owned several of the 3X12's as well as a few other BSA scopes, and the fixed power jobs are decent, not great, or good, but decent. The 3X12's I have had I kinda liked... they had clear bright lenses, and the AO was really easy to turn... But I could not get them to stay in one piece on anything I put them on... On a PCP gun, it shouldn't be a problem. The other BSA scopes I have owned I hated... Terrible lenses and grainy discolored optics...
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 278062  Posted by catdog on August 22, 2000 at 12:17:21:

In Reply to: I have the old 45...when it looked like a Colt 45 posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 11:47:54:

Yes it resembles a S&W now instead of the 1911 colt style but they told me the improvments were to the internal workings not just the outside and that it would shoot any pellets now.I was thinking of getting one next i got the new 400gx a couple weeks ago.I have a 1008 and was wondering if you have had any problems that i have had with the pellets hangin up,its actually a revolver in drag and sometime my pelletes back out and hangs when the cylinder turns jamming it up.I dont understand this as i have a 357 crosman that has never done this and it also uses a revolving cylinder.The 357 is my fave because of the 10 shot cap and accuracy.I have the 400gx and daisy 93 and neither are very accurate past 5m because of the smooth bore.I hade a rws and walther in the past and have found then to be no more accurate than the 1008 so i dont reccomend spending the extra money unles someone just wants to collect.
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Msg. 278061  Posted by Tom Gaylord on August 22, 2000 at 12:16:34:

In Reply to: Quackenbush .25 cal posted by XLR8ER on August 22, 2000 at 11:00:37:

We tested the Quackenbush .25 pistol in the newsletter earlier this year. It is very accurate and quite powerful. It's based on a Crosman CO2 pistol, with Dennis' rifled barrel and steel receiver. With sights it is $125. Without, it's $115.

Regards

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Msg. 278060  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 12:13:48:

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Msg. 278059  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 22, 2000 at 12:13:01:

In Reply to: Career threads posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 12:11:30:

Marty
SSSports

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Msg. 278058  Posted by Tom Gaylord on August 22, 2000 at 12:12:59:

In Reply to: DRIVING DIRECTIONS FROM D.C.? nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 22, 2000 at 08:56:36:

Lloyd,

Go north on 270 to MD Rt. 27. Take 27 east to Damascus. From the center of town, where Rt. 27 goes north and the straight road you are on becomes Rt. 108, you follow Rt. 108 east to Mullenix Mill Rd, which is only on the left. The Izaak Walton League is located 1.25 miles from that turn, on Mullenix Mill Rd.

You can just follow the map located on the DIFTA web page. Get there from our main page (click on The Airgun Letter, at the top of the forum main page page). From our main page, go to the Clubs page and click on DIFTA.

We compete with Roanoke as the most heavily-attended airgun show in the world. We certainly have the most shooting of any show.

Hope to see you there.

Tom Gaylord
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Msg. 278057  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 12:11:30:

Anyone know offhand the exact size of the muzzle end threads on a Career 707?
I know it's 10mm, but is the pitch 1.0 or 1.25 ?

tia, Jack
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Msg. 278056  Posted by sean on August 22, 2000 at 12:09:54:

i have a schimel model p22 made in 1958 -i was wondering what one of these things go for.
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Msg. 278055  Posted by jj on August 22, 2000 at 12:06:08:

In Reply to: Wade... Question....! posted by Malcolm - UK on August 22, 2000 at 09:00:35:

IYHO???? We talking about the same Wade?

I never found any of Wade's posts to contain a HUMBLE opinion. :-)

Just kidding Wade. :-)


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Msg. 278054  Posted by acet on August 22, 2000 at 12:03:57:

In Reply to: Whatever happened to the Reno airgun show? nt. posted by darmtn on August 22, 2000 at 11:53:01:

The organizer, Davis Schwesinger of the Air Rifle Specialists, will decide which weekend in November to hold the show when he returns from the Theoben factory. I expect to hear from him soon so we can make site preparations.
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Msg. 278053  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 12:03:53:

In Reply to: where can i find the Beeman Silent Trap for sale online??? nt. posted by Jake S. on August 22, 2000 at 11:38:34:

You can make one or maybe look a Joe M. MD's creation. Nice looking boxes.

Regards,
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Msg. 278052  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 12:02:57:

In Reply to: Re: Any word on the Swift 8-32's? posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 22, 2000 at 11:44:19:

I was actually sort of hoping that when they got to Boston the guys there might have been able to fix them. Ahhhh such is life. That 50mm AO is gonna be nice...that's my biggest grip with the Bushnell 4200, 40mm AO.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278050  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 11:47:54:

In Reply to: Re: Daisy Model 45 posted by cardog on August 22, 2000 at 10:30:03:

Not the new "45"....sorry. I forgot they released the mechanism in a new frame shape.

Might I say first that I am leary of anything advertized as shooting both pellets and darts.
And secondly, that the Crosman 1008 is the same basic shape and shoots .177 pellets well.
The Daisy 45 may be in a new package, but the shuttle mechanism and magazine look the same from what I see. Those are the problems I have with it.
The revolver approach to auto-lookalikes is a more efficient design. There are several great guns out there using that design.....including the Crosman 1008 for about the same or less money. The two guns look very similar, if it's the auto look you are after.

My apologies for the error....I forgot there was a Daisy "45" remake that looked like an S&W.

Jack



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Msg. 278049  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 22, 2000 at 11:44:19:

In Reply to: Any word on the Swift 8-32's? posted by Swinson on August 21, 2000 at 23:03:48:

Craig, and everyone else. The 677M is a fine scope (6-24x50mm) Bright clear, great resolution, it does have one small problem that I feel will be easily retified on the next shiptment, that is the ability to focus to 10 yards @ the full 24x. Currently it will focus to 13 yards @24x. Some customers are reporting 12 yards. So I feel this will be a simple AO lens positioning adjustment.

The 8-32x-50mm Model 678M. Well I have no idea what happened with this one. It is not in any way correct. The brightness, clairty and resolution are substandard. The AO bell is completely wrong. The scope only focuses down to around 27 yards at any magnification, and the AO bell reports this being 14 yards. So this scope will have to be in my opinion completely reworked from the ground up, new AO bell, repostioning the AO lens, or possibly a complete new lens ground to a different curvature etc. I am not a scope designer, so this is just conjecture on my part as to what the fix will turn out to be.

It is also my opinion that the fix will take several months, it is not going to happen in a few weeks. Bruce has all the information on these from me in a letter as to what is wrong with the 8-32. However Bruce is out of town on the road, so won't be able to address this until he returns. The factory will be made aware of the problems that I sent to Bruce ASAP. From that point on, it is anybody's guess the time that will be required to get the scope up to par.

A correction about what Peter said concerning the scope. Yes the 8-32 did/does have target turrets, just as the 6-24 does. They are under a dust cap. Also both do have sunshades. The configuration of turrets and sunshade were correct as they were shipped.

If you can live with the 6-24 reporting 10 yard focus when the actual distance to the target is 12-13 yards, everything else about the scope is top notch for the money. The 8-32 is a DO NOT BUY. As it is not in any sense of the word correct for any amount of money.

I will report on the progress of the scope fix/repair as I am made aware of the advancements. As of right now I have nothing to report. And doubt that I will have anything for some time. The fix/repair is in the works.

I hope this clears up any questions anyone has about these two new scopes.

Thanks,
Marty
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Msg. 278048  Posted by Barry on August 22, 2000 at 11:42:11:

In Reply to: Would a BSA scope 3x9 or 4x12 be decent for a career 707? posted by manasek on August 22, 2000 at 03:15:42:

With cheap scopes in general, stay away from variables. Usually the bottom-of-the-line fixed power scopes are actually the best. If I were to try a "BSA", I wouldn't consider anyting other than the 4X32. "BSA" in quotes because I think BSA's involvement in this is limited to allowing folks to use their name on the scopes.

And if you're after a BSA 4X32, the fellow at FunSupply should soon have them under a different marque at a lesser price.
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Msg. 278046  Posted by Steve T on August 22, 2000 at 11:28:21:

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Msg. 278045  Posted by Jake S. on August 22, 2000 at 11:24:29:

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Msg. 278044  Posted by Stocky on August 22, 2000 at 11:17:51:

In Reply to: Re: ARS 6 posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 07:39:15:

What was his name anyway ?

Stocky
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Msg. 278043  Posted by Stocky on August 22, 2000 at 11:12:57:

In Reply to: Re: Is a R9 a good starting point?? posted by Tom L. on August 21, 2000 at 21:09:41:

Will do!
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Msg. 278042  Posted by Stocky on August 22, 2000 at 11:11:24:

In Reply to: Can't make up my mind SIMMONS or BUSHNELL....HELP......! posted by Greg S on August 21, 2000 at 19:52:27:

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Msg. 278041  Posted by Stocky on August 22, 2000 at 11:08:27:

In Reply to: Re: IZH-61(broken mainspring?)... posted by Tony Z on August 21, 2000 at 22:06:02:

It might have just been a hair, or a piece of floatsom.......

How's the speed and accuracy ?

Stocky


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Re: Canadian customs vs 500fps limit


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Msg. 278040  Posted by ScottC on August 22, 2000 at 11:04:59:

In Reply to: Canadian customs vs 500fps limit posted by Albert on August 21, 2000 at 20:42:39:

Depending upon the gun you want why not get it from a Canadian dealer.
For example, I'm sure Granlund firearms in B.C. sells Weirauch's that
are under the 500 fps limit. The majority of the Beeman break-barrel
line are Weirauch's and Beeman sells all the parts you need.
I don't know if they sell a sub 500 fps gun but Italian Sporting
Supplies in Vancouver carries the Webley Vulcan and Excel, even LeBaron's
sells a Diana 24 that shoots under 500 fps where the RWS web site lists
it at 700 fps.

Hope this helps

Scott
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Msg. 278039  Posted by CharlesC on August 22, 2000 at 11:02:52:

In Reply to: Agree, but why do you need to know pellet weight for plinking and fun shooting? posted by John Sa. on August 21, 2000 at 20:10:17:

Interesting reading about pellets and their consistency is in the Beeman catalog. From their information you can quickly deduce which of their pellets should be more accurate from a strictly pellet precision point of view. It still requires testing to find out what shoots better in specific guns. For example, I have a pistol that doesn't shoot H&N Match pellets well at all, but is accurate with cheap, crudly made Daisy's. Hard to figure sometimes. I also have some guns that prefer CP's and some that don't group well at all with them.
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Msg. 278038  Posted by Chavez on August 22, 2000 at 11:02:04:

In Reply to: Don't put a space in your file name(jpeg) on Auction Arms posted by Dave T. on August 21, 2000 at 22:59:45:


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Msg. 278037  Posted by XLR8ER on August 22, 2000 at 11:00:37:

I would like info about this pistol. Don't know much about it just bits and pieces. How much does Dennis charge to make this powerhouse? CO2? Thanks in advance for any information.
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HW97 - broken cocking lever release button - help??


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Msg. 278036  Posted by Bill in NC on August 22, 2000 at 10:56:02:

I purchased a used hw97 and the release button
has come loose. This is a spring tensioned machined shaft that appears to be held in by
a cir clip or maybe a pin. It came flying out
propelled by the spring under tension and shot
across the garage.

Anyone experienced this failure and have a solution? I don't want to ship it somewhere
as the shipping would be more than the fix.

I'm just not sure how it is retained?? Duh.
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Re: " Old Sheridan Pellets vs New "


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Msg. 278035  Posted by Lew on August 22, 2000 at 10:55:32:

In Reply to: Re: " Old Sheridan Pellets vs New " posted by M Boyle on August 21, 2000 at 23:32:49:

My Crosman 795 makes a loud metallic noise with CP-s and Sheridans. It seems that Crosman and Sheridan pellets have smaller skirt diameter and they fit too loosely in the barrel. Actually I measured them with micrometer. Other pellets like Milbro or a Chech Diablo that have the old style ribbed skirt and wider diameter, fit tighter, I don't hear the metallic sound but a much softer twang. I can shoot tighter groups with them.
I assume they are better for the spring. Unfortunately I don't have a good selection of pellets up here in the nortcounry of Canada, but I will try to find mor wider better fitting pellets for my Crosman 795 to save the spring.
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Msg. 278034  Posted by CharlesC on August 22, 2000 at 10:53:24:

In Reply to: Re: " Old Sheridan Pellets vs New " posted by John Sa. on August 22, 2000 at 05:02:12:

I've recovered the new Sheridan Cylindrical pellets from my duct seal trap and I found that the head and skirt engraved in the rifling equally. That may be why they are so accurate in some rifles, they are well stabilized in the barrel at the front and rear of the pellet.
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Msg. 278033  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 22, 2000 at 10:47:48:

In Reply to: " Old Sheridan Pellets vs New " posted by Jim Slomski on August 21, 2000 at 23:14:59:


Jim, if I were you I'd hold on to at least one box of those old Sheridan pellets. Eventually, they'll have collector's value and even if you're not a collector, they'll make a good keepsake. Those pellets had been around for a long,long while now.--- Mr.P
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Re: Daisy Model 45


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Msg. 278032  Posted by cardog on August 22, 2000 at 10:30:03:

In Reply to: Re: Daisy Model 45 posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 07:21:11:

Jack is yours the old model 45?I ask because i contacted Daisy when i heard they were producing this pistol agian and i was told the new 45 was redesigned and feed problems were corrected now.
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Re: A-Team Regulator and Career Carbine


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Msg. 278031  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 10:24:09:

In Reply to: A-Team Regulator and Career Carbine posted by Mike on August 22, 2000 at 06:45:15:

To me the carbine is a hunting rifle. and although the A-team reg works pretty well in the gun I won't use it. I like the fact that the carbine has a resonable shots per fill and if you really learn your gun you won't need a reg, even for moderate FT stuff. I think that $175? would go better towards a Dave G stock to improve the performance of the gun.

Regards,
Craig

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Re: CRX or Super 12


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Msg. 278030  Posted by dscott on August 22, 2000 at 10:19:52:

In Reply to: CRX or Super 12 posted by Brad on August 21, 2000 at 14:18:38:

Brad, I the CRX and the Thoeben Rapid Series, which is the same as the Super 12. Both are great guns and very accurate. In fact, I can't say which is more accurate. Many talk about the CRX as being the best "out of the box" field target gun, but I can't say I shoot it better. Both shoot where they are pointed. You can get the Rapid 12 for less money now. One thing I REALLY like about the Rapid, especially if you get pressed for time in a match, is the magazine funcion. If you have a second buddy bottle, you can easily change bottles while on the line if you use up your maximum shots. One more thing, purists will say to get the CRX, but the Rapid also make a great hunting gun if you get the sporter stock. I have both stocks. Again, I use both guns in field target, both hit the mark equally well if I do my part.
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Re: Any word on the Swift 8-32's?


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Msg. 278029  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 10:16:16:

In Reply to: Re: Any word on the Swift 8-32's? posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 04:09:34:

You gonna be at the worlds?

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278028  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 10:03:34:

In Reply to: Crosman 10 m Rifle Deal posted by Rick H. on August 22, 2000 at 09:11:31:

Great for kids. way too light and short for most adults.

Regards,
Craig
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Msg. 278027  Posted by Swinson on August 22, 2000 at 10:01:14:

In Reply to: Marty wrote a whole dissertation last week. Where were you all? posted by Ron Y. on August 22, 2000 at 09:30:25:

Last week was last week, this week is this week...weekly updates man. Things might have changed there might be an ETA on a new batch. Swift may have them in Boston and can fix them in the US.

Regards,
Craig
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Why don't we start one!


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Msg. 278026  Posted by Alain on August 22, 2000 at 09:52:05:

In Reply to: Re: Any Airgun clubs in the Richardson TX area? posted by John Sa. on August 21, 2000 at 20:07:26:

Looks like I may be moving to Texas and I will have a range in my back yard.

Alain
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Msg. 278025  Posted by Ron Y. on August 22, 2000 at 09:39:29:

In Reply to: Crosman 10 m Rifle Deal posted by Rick H. on August 22, 2000 at 09:11:31:

Rick, this is the new Crosman 2000 Jr. Match rifle.
I'm not sure any dealers have it yet but it sells for $250/$299.
Through Crosman Jr. program this can be purchased for $195.00 by letter from NRA approved Safety training program director(letterhead/Invoice required).
Really all I know about it. NRA approved Gun Clubs can buy it direct from Crosman.
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Msg. 278024  Posted by Tom L. on August 22, 2000 at 09:38:26:

In Reply to: Crosman 10 m Rifle Deal posted by Rick H. on August 22, 2000 at 09:11:31:

Is it the challenger if so heres the Crosman
Url for that gun I know Golden Toller gets $256.00
for them.
Tom L.

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Msg. 278023  Posted by Ron Y. on August 22, 2000 at 09:30:25:

In Reply to: Any word on the Swift 8-32's? posted by Swinson on August 21, 2000 at 23:03:48:

n/t
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Msg. 278022  Posted by Ron Y. on August 22, 2000 at 09:28:18:

In Reply to: Marty wrote a whole dissertation last week. Where were you? posted by Ron Y. on August 22, 2000 at 09:24:51:

n/t

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Msg. 278020  Posted by R on August 22, 2000 at 09:25:27:

In Reply to: Airgunning Texas posted by Rick on August 22, 2000 at 09:24:21:


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Msg. 278017  Posted by Ron Y. on August 22, 2000 at 09:24:51:

In Reply to: AOL IM, MSN messanger, ICQ posted by Swinson on August 21, 2000 at 23:09:02:

n/t
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Airgunning Texas


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Msg. 278016  Posted by Rick on August 22, 2000 at 09:24:21:

In Reply to: Re: Any Airgun clubs in the Richardson TX area? posted by Rick on August 21, 2000 at 22:58:33:

Here it is
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Msg. 278015  Posted by Rick H. on August 22, 2000 at 09:11:31:

Has anyone else seen the latest Instructor newsletter from the NRA? There's an ad for the latest Crosman 10 meter target rifle,(CO2) with a set of apeture sights, for $195.00. It's direct from Crosman, available to currently certified instructors. The picture is poor quality, and only in B&W, so I can't really get a good feel for the wood, but it looks pretty good. I'm not sure of the model #, but it I can get it tonight. Can anyone offer an opinion as to weather this is a good deal or not? Thanks
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Re: Diff in R1 and R9 justify price.. caliber rec for pest control


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Msg. 278014  Posted by Larz on August 22, 2000 at 09:09:37:

In Reply to: Diff in R1 and R9 justify price.. caliber rec for pest control posted by bb on August 22, 2000 at 07:38:15:

You have a few questions here...

To start, the difference between the R9 and R1 becomes apparant
when you hold each in your hand. The R1 is built with a higher degree of
quality and better materials overall.

Pellet selection is a matter of personal preference. Like you said, the .22
does offer more of an advantage for hunting due to it's higher energy over the .177,
but I know alot of folks who regularly use .177 for pest control.

.177 does have a flatter trajectory, all things being equal, but it also loses engery faster
and is more affected by wind etc. IMO .177 is more versatile than .22 in the fact that you can
use it for targer shooting, pest control, plinking, etc.

Later

Larz
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Wade... Question....!


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Msg. 278013  Posted by Malcolm - UK on August 22, 2000 at 09:00:35:

In Reply to: Re: 20 Cal for field target posted by Wade on August 21, 2000 at 16:45:21:

Wade, having read your post I was interested in what you were saying about the trajectory of the 20 cal at 20ft/lbs.
What fps or ft/lbs in 20 cal with CP's would give you an optimum flat trajectory. IYHO...

Cheers

Malcolm - UK

mail me direct as it's somewhat off subject...
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Msg. 278012  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 22, 2000 at 08:56:36:

In Reply to: Maryland airgun show and big bore shoot details online. Link inside. posted by The Airgun Letter on August 21, 2000 at 21:30:54:



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Re: Peter!


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Msg. 278011  Posted by peter huppertz on August 22, 2000 at 08:50:18:

In Reply to: Peter! posted by John Sa. on August 22, 2000 at 05:35:38:

I like all the guns I currently have... and even one I sold as of Saturday (sob).

I thought I would not make things too complicated. The 300S is my absolute fav for winter practice in the garage! I admit to also occasionally plinking with it, but that sounds a bit like blasphemy, doesn't it? ;-)

peter
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Msg. 278010  Posted by A-TEAM on August 22, 2000 at 08:46:23:

In Reply to: A-Team Regulator and Career Carbine posted by Mike on August 22, 2000 at 06:45:15:

The Products & Technical information page on our web site does have examples of 3 Career Carbines from our customers. 2 are in 22 cal.

There may also be some customer information in the "Recomendations of the "A" Team" document. Tehn do a search for the word "Carbine". That will show all entries made regarding carbines. Some of which have examples as well.

We will be away till August 28th shooting at the worlds FT championships in MN. Please come up and introduce yourself as we enjoy meeting our customers, that we have talked with so many times in the past. Don't hesitate to ask questions (unless it is during the match of course). We will also have some products there and we are bringing our LapTop so we can actually demo the ATEAB program for those that want to see a little of what it can do. Come on over and join us.

Ray & Hans ~ The "A" Team
(845-896-9792 or 914-277-4309)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@bestweb.net
A-TEAM-HANS == > ateamh@bestweb.net
http://www.bestweb.net/~ateamray

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Msg. 278009  Posted by A-TEAM on August 22, 2000 at 08:42:44:

In Reply to: A-Team Regulator and Career Carbine posted by Mike on August 22, 2000 at 06:45:15:

The Products & Technical information page on our web site does have examples of 3 Career Carbines from our customers. 2 are in 22 cal.

There may also be some customer information in the "Recomendations of the "A" Team" document. Tehn do a search for the word "Carbine". That will show all entries made regarding carbines. Some of which have examples as well.

Ray & Hans ~ The "A" Team
(845-896-9792 or 914-277-4309)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@bestweb.net
A-TEAM-HANS == > ateamh@bestweb.net
http://www.bestweb.net/~ateamray

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Msg. 278008  Posted by Ed on August 22, 2000 at 08:22:54:

In Reply to: Can't make up my mind SIMMONS or BUSHNELL....HELP......! posted by Greg S on August 21, 2000 at 19:52:27:

I believe you will find it money well spent to invest in a premium quality scope. Leupold, Nikon,and B&L are offer some good quality scopes to consider. A cheap scope is a problem waiting to happen.
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Re: ARS 6


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Msg. 278007  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 07:39:15:

In Reply to: Re: Not the dark side...the UGLY side! posted by RBest on August 21, 2000 at 19:37:58:

One very very loud bugger! :-)
The guy I bought my Career from also has an ARS-6 pistol. Amazing gun though....fun to shoot. And yep, about as close to a "Career Pistol" as you can get without actually being one.

Hmmm....I suppose one could chop down a 707 into what Steve McQueen used to wear on his belt on that bounty hunter TV show he starred in (Wanted Dead Or Alive, I think it was). Woodchucks, run for your lives!

Jack



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Msg. 278006  Posted by bb on August 22, 2000 at 07:38:15:

I prefer .177.
Besides energy out to 40 yds does the .20 or .22 offer additional advantages.
Which caliber tends to have the flatest projectory.
Shouldn't the lighter .177 be less affected by gravity?
bb
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Re: Michigan Shoot results?


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Msg. 278005  Posted by Phil Herman on August 22, 2000 at 07:36:51:

In Reply to: Michigan Shoot results? posted by thom on August 21, 2000 at 19:24:48:

Thom,
I can only give you a few of the score I remember; Match Winner- Rick Smelko 117, A Class 1st- Phil Herman (Me!) 115, 2nd (tie, broke by longest string) Dan Kliener 114, 3rd- Ken Reeves 114.
Sorry but thats all I remember of my best showing yet.
Phil Herman

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Msg. 278004  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 22, 2000 at 07:25:34:

In Reply to: Uprating B45-3 posted by Alan on August 22, 2000 at 02:05:29:

Is yours the multi-pump pneumatic B45-3? If so, I have only seen the two web sights listing the gun for sale at 69 pounds. Is it that widely available over there?
What kind of sights? Dovetails for scope mounting? Any plastic in the construction? How many pumps max? How sturdy is the pump mechanism? Just how good IS the Italian stock? How long is the rifle? Stock from butt to trigger? Barrel length? How many grooves in the rifling? Trigger pull heavy or light? Trigger capable of tweaking -- honing and lubing sear -- for lighter pull? How sturdy is the multi-shot loading mechanism? What is the type or nature of the bolt? pull lever or twist and pull bolt?
I had a Benjamin 392 tweaked to go from 695 to about 850 ft/sec with no problems. I am intrigued by the technical challenge of trying to do this one.
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Msg. 278003  Posted by Alan in GA on August 22, 2000 at 07:25:19:

In Reply to: Any interesting places for an air gunner to visit in GA. posted by Mike in HI on August 22, 2000 at 03:43:31:

Chuck's Firearms in Buckhead(inner suburb)#404-266-1250 a must go and see.
Tucker Gun #770-493-9400
Pannells #770-928-9132
ask at these shops for more.
alan in ga
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Msg. 278002  Posted by JmD on August 22, 2000 at 07:24:00:

I saw a posting some day ago where someone gave the advice to a FX200 owner to put teflon lubing in his barrel. Is this a good thing? Are there any other low-friction coatings one could use+ What are the drawbacks (if any) of theese techniques?

JmD
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Re: Michigan Shoot results?


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Msg. 278001  Posted by C. Martin on August 22, 2000 at 07:22:15:

In Reply to: Michigan Shoot results? posted by thom on August 21, 2000 at 19:24:48:

Thom,

Top score was 117. I think you won your class (B?). I won't see you in September since that is opening weekend for small game, but may see you in October.

Good shooting with you,

Chuck
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Re: Doesn't UPS ship air guns?


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Msg. 278000  Posted by CJ on August 22, 2000 at 07:21:22:

In Reply to: Doesn't UPS ship air guns? posted by Eric on August 21, 2000 at 19:32:09:

I use UPS all the time to ship my tuned guns back.
Don't know the problem but it must be politics in the dept.

CJ
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Msg. 277999  Posted by Jack Stinson on August 22, 2000 at 07:21:11:

In Reply to: Daisy Model 45 posted by Ed B on August 22, 2000 at 03:05:00:

I just recieved one yesterday in trade for slot car tires (I get quite a few airguns that way). I got a pristine Daisy 45 which had not been fired much, along with it's official Daisy pistol case and some spare magazines.

How's the trigger? Pretty bad. But it is a design issue.
It has a very stiff and long travel, pretty much the same in both single and double action modes. The reason for this is because in both modes, the trigger also feeds the pellet. Pulling the trigger first moves the pellet shuttle down in line with the bore, then releases the sear.
The only difference between D/A and S/A modes in trigger pull feel is the hammer cocking. But once your pulled the feed mechanism, the hammer cocking is nothing. S/A on the Daisy 45 is about like D/A on a Crosman 1008.

That said; The 45 is well made. It has a metal frame (plastic slide though), pretty solid mechanism (aside from the trigger/feed system), and a great feel to it.
Although another quirk is that the magazine is designed to feed Daisy W/C pellets only. In fact, the magazine won't even accept many other pellets.
I got it to feed GECOs, but this makes the trigger a little more stiff than it already is. The "revolver" design on most auto-lookalikes is a more versitile mechanism.

A two hand hold at 18 feet was yielding mostly 1"-1.5" groups...but with flyers out to 3" at times.
The Crosman 1008 is a better shooter, the Daisy 45 is a better looker and has a better feel. The 1008 and C40 feel odd in my hand.
The best pistol from Daisy in the 90's in my opinion was the Raven 500. Although a single shot .177 pellet, it looked like a Beretta. Shoots very well.

If you already have a nice shooting auto-lookalike, then the Daisy 45 is a fun gun and a good looker. If it's going to be your only pellet pistol, you might want look harder at Crosmans, Colts, Umarex, or RWS.

hth, Jack



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Msg. 277997  Posted by ben on August 22, 2000 at 07:13:44:

In Reply to: Geco's and the P3 posted by Gary on August 21, 2000 at 20:29:24:

Gecos good. Add Slick50 One Lube. Gecos better.


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A-Team Regulator and Career Carbine


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Msg. 277996  Posted by Mike on August 22, 2000 at 06:45:15:

Has anyone installed an A-Team regulator in their Career 707 Carbine? What kinds of improvements do you see? Shot capacity? With what kind of pellets?Their website does not list the Carbine, only the longun. I was told is I want to shoot the Korean Domes the regulator was not much of an improvement.
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Msg. 277995  Posted by Wade on August 22, 2000 at 06:16:06:

In Reply to: Re: I suppose you are talking about... posted by Swinson on August 21, 2000 at 21:30:03:

That is longer and smaller than AAFTA "suggests",
but those are only guidelines and not rules. You
are right - that isn't fun to shoot at no matter
what kinda gun your shootin'!
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