In Reply to: Thanks for the info... posted by scot on August 29, 2000 at 09:58:08:
anyone interested in CO2 powered items will enjoy searching for the complete set of Rudy Merz patents. His CO2-powered fishing rod alone is worth the effort.
DT Fletcher
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Mitch on August 29, 2000 at 21:28:51:
OK Mitch we are in agreement in that yes I was saying that researching the actual law yourself(legal texts) was the most reliable way. That is what I meant. Thanks for your response.
Regards
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In Reply to: Crosman 600--Collector questions posted by Ken Walker on August 29, 2000 at 20:52:00:
As others have already noted, it can be difficult to figure out much history from the guns themself. That is one of the reasons that I have always tended to try and use only that information that can be relied on to be accurate. You note that you have my 600 book and there is actually quite a bit of information in there about the different variations. I usually don't highlight this information, it is there for you to discover.
For example, one thing that I have always tried to do is get the owner's manuals in the correct chronological order. So, as features change from one manual to another, you are seeing the changes in the correct chronological order.
You also should look very closely at the Factory Service Manuals and Exploded Parts Diagrams. There is significant information about changes in each and I have always tried to include every document that showed a significant change. So, if there are more than one Service Manuals, or EPDs, or owner's manuals they are there for a reason, not just to make the book bigger.
You might be interested in the Crosman Library CD-ROM. There are several pictures of the 600 manufacturing process that are only on the CD-ROM. Several of these pictures are in 75 Years of Crosman Airguns. Another thing to look at, for your research, are the price lists on the CD-ROM. I haven't done it for the 600, but there always seems to be something interesting to be found about almost every model when you look at the complete series of price lists. On the CD-ROM, there is a Crosman price list for just about every year the 600 was in production.
The Crosman model variations that I personaly work on are; the Crosman Rifle (aka model 101) and the model 150/157. Each of these is distinquished by the large number of and variety of variations. Currently, I have something like 15 or 16 different 150/157 model variations (all in the original box.) No other model comes close to that many variations except for maybe the 101. Part of my involvement in the history of Crosman comes from my wanting to know about all the different variations of 101 rifle.
DT Fletcher
In Reply to: When and where and who started the anti-gun hysteria? posted by Dwight C. on August 29, 2000 at 16:03:11:
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In Reply to: Are break barrel springers as accurate/consistant as a fixed barrel posted by Tyler on August 30, 2000 at 04:21:01:
From my experience with my .22 Patriot, I would say yes. But remember, If you go for somthing big like the Kodiak/Patriot,it will take a day or two to get used to it. This Air rifle was primarily built for hunting. And, if your going to scope a spinger, be sure to use only a scope that is designed to work with spring piston air rifles. As for the Gas Ram airguns, I have very little personal knowledge. I do know that from what i ahve read on the Crow Magnum, Ihave always wanted one.
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In Reply to: Re: Western Single Action Replica posted by Greg J. on August 29, 2000 at 21:22:23:
Funny you should mention Lugers. That's the other CO2 pistol that I would find hard to resist.
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In Reply to: Airguns vs. Beanie Babies posted by chasm on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:41:
My wife's obsession is with the latter - but....she's the 'exec' in the household and her purchases certainly make mine a little less guilt-ridden, lol :)
Tim
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I was wondering if the newer break barrel springers are as accurate and consistant as the side lever or underlever type. How good are they with a scope? Can i shoot tight groups at 10m or 15m? I am trying to make up my mind on which kind I want, some input would help.
Thanks
Tyler
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In Reply to: Re: When and where and who started the anti-gun hysteria? posted by hal on August 30, 2000 at 03:12:06:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: When and where 20'-30's Prohibition posted by AIRPOWER on August 29, 2000 at 21:41:33:
Thompson SMGs were REALLY EASY to buy back then. I read they could buy these things in hardware stores...no questions asked. Wow things sure have changed alot since then.
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In Reply to: silencers posted by Head-Shot Rabbit on August 29, 2000 at 17:38:08:
I saw an ad on the net for a british air gun. It was a .22 with a 9 shot capacity, anyway the whole product line up for these guns all had silencers on them. There was even an ad for diferent kinds of silencers that would fit the gun.
Dont ask me what it was called....I have forgotten the name.
So i am pretty positive they are legal in the UK
Good luck
Tyler
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In Reply to: Re: Try Tabasco Sauce posted by mike on August 29, 2000 at 17:48:45:
The commercial showed a fellow sitting on a porch eating some kind of snack liberally doused with Tabasco. Camera zoomed for a closeup of his arm to show a mosquito having a meal. The camera and the man observed until the mosquito had its fill and flew away. About 10-15 feet away, it exploded in a small but respectable ball of fire.
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In Reply to: Re: Are you sure you're not thinking about CD ROM Drive???? posted by John Sa. on August 29, 2000 at 02:54:49:
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by John Sa. on August 30, 2000 at 03:37:45:
blivet
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Sammy on August 29, 2000 at 05:57:37:
My post was not meant to imply incompetence on the part of police officers. It is not the job of the police to dispense legal advice and one should not be surprised that when they do they are often wrong--just as you or I would be if we attempted to give advice on a topic without the proper research.
One of the more cogent examples I recall was listening to a state trooper telling my sister that it was ok for her to carry a concealed handgun. This happened in TX back when concealed carry permits were a pipe dream. The guy was a friend of the family, he wasn't trying to mislead us, he was just giving his (unexpert) opinion on the topic based on word of mouth information that he had received.
I'd ask you to reread my post, but it seems to have evaporated.
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In Reply to: Gecado 66 Match Air Rifle posted by Steve on August 29, 2000 at 23:44:21:
I can handle your repair also. If you're interested you can contact me @ 909-272-9451. The BPAR=Bimrose Precision Airgun Repair.
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In Reply to: Naw, my fiber is fine....... posted by Jack Stinson on August 29, 2000 at 07:52:41:
no one is perfect
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In Reply to: Re: When and where and who started the anti-gun hysteria? posted by Wallace Berry on August 29, 2000 at 18:01:08:
In the 1800's, New York City enacted gun control
laws to try to stem the tide of rising crime
rates, probably due to the increasing poverty
stricken immagrant population.
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In Reply to: Re: Hold on a sec....how do I find the time??? posted by C. Martin on August 29, 2000 at 07:58:27:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: The rear sight is close to the shooters eye causing the sight to blur posted by Jack Stinson on August 29, 2000 at 10:40:28:
nt
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I'd like to meet this guy. It seems we're both old Benjamin and vintage airgun enthusiasts sharing the same state-Iowa. As you can tell, there are rather few of us too.
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In Reply to: Pogo pays a visit (and almost made his own post here!) posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 00:17:07:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: Who is Steve Gunderson? posted by Greg Fischer on August 29, 2000 at 11:17:12:
nt
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In Reply to: Crosman 2250? posted by Bill on August 29, 2000 at 20:25:23:
Opposed to the 2250, the QB from Mac1 is the best value.(600v++) However, I get 1' groups at 30 yds with my stock 2250 and got 550 exactly on a 100 degree day. Puts you closer to 500 on a day you can stand to be out shooting...Willey
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In Reply to: Re: Simmons Scope Question.. posted by Uncle Gary on August 30, 2000 at 02:25:30:
Thanks man!
Happy shootin',
Chris
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In Reply to: As long as you have a class 3 permit for it, you can probably use one. posted by Mom T on August 29, 2000 at 23:41:29:
Full auto is illegal no matter what permit you
have and hunting with silencers is a Federal
no-no.
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In Reply to: Crosman 2240/50 posted by Jim on August 29, 2000 at 21:44:22:
The whole gun is built around shooting 900 lbs of Co2. To make it transfer and hold more pressure you need to remake the gun...Willey
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In Reply to: Re: Bench Rest posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 22:04:58:
What I personally use, and have found works well with most springers, is the "Bench Buddy" rifle rest from Cabelas. This is an adjustable molded plastic rifle rest that sells for about $29.95. I customized mine by adding pieces of 1.5" thick "stick-on" acoustical foam on both front and back. This dampens barrel oscillations while still allowing free movement of the gun. If you need the foam, I'll have to send you some, you can't buy it anywhere that I'm aware of. We use it at the factory where I work to line the outer body panels of air compressors to deaden the sound. Like Hunter used to say, "It works for me!" Regards,
Unc
P.S.: Like Russ said, foam rubber doesn't get it!
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In Reply to: Got my first springer!! posted by AC on August 29, 2000 at 22:17:01:
The R-11 is a very fine gun, Good Luck with it! This gun is excellent for FT, great accuracy and good power level. Cheers!
Unc
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Went to your page and look at the tigger job
and seen it is the same as a RWS 46 so I done that easy deal
now I like this tigger better than my beeman SS tigger the 46 is now a fine
F.T. gun...Will shoot it in a macth next month..Keep up the fire..
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In Reply to: Airguns vs. Beanie Babies posted by chasm on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:41:
Chas, Beanie Babies are the justification for all untold acts of irrational behavior! When my wife says "Is this a different gun?" I just bring up Beanie Babies.
I was in Eugene, OR a week ago and went to the 7-11 for some hotdogs. Some guy waiting on Chicken Chimechongas produced an Orb made of key rings, bike and motrcycle chain links and ball bearings. I gave him $100 cash on the barrelhead. Took it back to the motel room and informed my family I was the proud owner of Orb #25. This time I didn't resort to bringing up Beanie Babies, I just reminded them of all the crappy t-shirts they buy on road trips!...Willey
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In Reply to: Simmons Scope Question.. posted by Chris Farhi on August 30, 2000 at 00:47:02:
Chris:
I've owned most of the Simmons scopes, and the only one I'd recommend on a springer is the Model 1048T, which is the 6.5-20X44MM 44 Mag model. I have an HW-77, and I had this scope mounted on it for a while with no problems. In length it's about the limit of what you can use on an HW-77 or 97 without blocking the loading port. I also used this scope on a couple of my RWS springers with no problems. I don't know what Simmons model you're referring to here, but if it's not the 1048T I'd forget it. HTH! Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: CO2 Military-style semi-autos posted by Gerry on August 29, 2000 at 20:53:44:
I have the Umarex Beretta. Very high quality. Very close in feel to US M9. Off top of head, I think it will approach a 1" grp at 10m. I believe it's accuracy on a scaled down airgun range with scaled targets approximates the M9. I photocopy match targets and adjust the sizes and ranges to what I might see at 25 or 50 yds. The Umarex doesn't have the white markings on the r. sight, but I think this was deleted as different Beretta 92's use different sight highlighting. My only complaint is the lack of noise and recoil. The trigger also doesn't go to single action after the first double action shot. I think the Umarex PPK and the Daisy Desert Eagle have cycling actions that may mimic the recoil and trigger effects, but they obviously lack the feel of my M9 service pistol. In training with my Umarex, I use it in DA to practice the DA 1st shot. I thumb cock it to practice subsequent shots. This puts the trigger in the SA position and also disrupts your grip and sight picture, somewhat like actually firing. I certainly recommend the Umarex Beretta over any domestic Crosman product. The Crosman Beretta is made in Italy by the way. I highly recommend getting the Umarex Beretta. To truly become expert with your combat weapon though, you will always benefit by shooting the real thing.
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I made some homemade darts that were pretty accurate and didn't seem to damage smoothbores. I took a wooden skewer, cut off the sharp end, and split the end using a razor blade. Using a pair of pliers, I cut some wire diagonally to make it extremely sharp. I then put the wire segment into the split end of the skewer. I then wrapped that end in thread, then coated the thread with glue. A little down from where the thread ended, I wrapped just enough electric tape so it would fit snugly inside my daisy 1700. I did the same for the opposite end. I cocked the gun, put the dart in slowly (not all the way to the end), aimed and fired. The dart went pretty far and straight.
P.S. - Would this damage a smoothbore in any way?
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In Reply to: Looking for rideshare from the New England area to the Damascus Show posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 23:58:07:
Can he land closer than Bridgeport? Anything over 1/4 mile would be a plus!
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How many shots average per CO2 powerlet? Is there any way to keep the rear sight from moving around? Is there any way to keep the springs in the handle (near the CO2 loading area)from making noise almost everytime I fire? Thanks.
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In Reply to: Crosman model 622 posted by Nobody on August 30, 2000 at 00:24:06:
About sixty dollars if it holds and shoots.MV is low. Interesting gun though and Mac1 has been known to jazz up 622s!
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In Reply to: any one have a mini-lathe to sell or trade?????? posted by AIRPOWER on August 28, 2000 at 21:04:36:
You may wish to go to a newsreader and try rec.crafts.metalworking usenet group. It's really a forum like this one and has a very large group of people that can help you. Also any metalworking problem you may have.
Art
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In Reply to: Silicone Oil posted by Fred on August 29, 2000 at 16:20:54:
Pro RC Car shock oil. Team Associated, Losi sell high grade silicone oil in assorted weights, should be available at your local hobby shop.
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In Reply to: Mac1 LD Pistol posted by LeadDriller on August 29, 2000 at 11:17:08:
I get 535 fps w/10" barrel, VERY accurate. It hits so hard it almost feels like a rimfire. It's a keeper!
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In Reply to: Re: Allan Z, ZM 2002 Match rifle. posted by dscott on August 30, 2000 at 00:44:51:
Being that this is the first ZM 2002 I have ever laid eyes on, I can't answer that question. It is the fully modified version done by Allan Z.
Koric reg, custom bull barrel, and custom air resevoir. And all the internal mods, that I am completely in the dark as to what exactly it consists of. Sorry to not know, but well I don't lol.
The gun is sold. To all that might be wondering if it is still availible.
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: Air Gun Targets? posted by Bob Miller on August 29, 2000 at 23:56:34:
http://www.CrossWinds.net/~scottstargets/
enter this web-site and check his targets/links,
then scroll to the bottom.
There is a "web-ring" of sites with targets
available, and you can move to the next site
in the ring and examine those... and so on...
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In Reply to: Storing a CO2 gun ( with or without gas)?? posted by Duke on August 29, 2000 at 23:59:48:
Duke Im not sure about the corrosion but I believe
the seal will loose some of it's elasticity being under constant
compression and lesson the ability to seal well...
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In Reply to: Chinese pump-up posted by Alan on August 29, 2000 at 16:41:33:
I haven't seen any of these advertised in the US yet. Someone posted something about them and it looks like this store in the UK will ship to US customers. It does look like a nice rifle.
Heres is URL http://www.airpistol.co.uk/custom_air_rifles.htm
In Reply to: Who sells scope bubble levels to prevent canting (nt) posted by Bob on August 29, 2000 at 22:18:13:
hardware store drill level or line level is cheaper and can be rigged to work fine $5-$20 in cost
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In Reply to: Re: Product Opportunity posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 23:53:54:
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In Reply to: a little off topic but ...... posted by john on August 30, 2000 at 00:10:01:
Probably because "I'll show you mine if you show me yours!" Could get you some unwanted attention here!!!
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In Reply to: Airguns vs. Beanie Babies posted by chasm on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:41:
Think ADULT airgun vs child's toy whose popularity was driven by crazed adults. Guns I understand, I never will consider Beanie Babies as true collectibles. That was (is) one of the strangest fads going. My girlfriends mom was goofy over the damn things too = maybe now she'll trade me a Happy Meal for the whole load she's got once I tell how great they would be for airrifle targets!
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In Reply to: Airguns vs. Beanie Babies posted by chasm on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:41:
$400 for a bean bag, $1000 for a BB gun\airgun..there is all types of OCD..coins, stamps, old guns, lunch boxs. wagon wheels, name your obsessoin we got it ;)i think it stems from a need to do one thing really well. and maybe pass it down. there isnt a lot a tradition in todays world. or the same old world skill ..what girl wants to spend a yr making a quilt by hand. and what boy wants to learns plastering skills..not many in this "BIGGER BETTER FASTER NOW!!" world. and who whats to pay the money for such skill..not many
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In Reply to: Simmons Scope Question.. posted by Chris Farhi on August 30, 2000 at 00:46:55:
nt
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I was looking at the MidwayUSA site, and came over a Simmons scope.
It doesn't say which model it is, but has a pic, and specs.
Can y'all tell me what model of scope this is, and if it is springer rated?
Also, would the price shown be a good deal for it?
I'd also be putting it on my HW97, so would I have loading port problems?
Happy shootin,
Chris
I was looking at the MidwayUSA site, and came over a Simmons scope.
It doesn't say which model it is, but has a pic, and specs.
Can y'all tell me what model of scope this is, and if it is springer rated?
Also, would the price shown be a good deal for it?
I'd also be putting it on my HW97, so would I have loading port problems?
Happy shootin,
Chris
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In Reply to: Crosman 600--Collector questions posted by Ken Walker on August 29, 2000 at 20:52:00:
Mine has the shiny serrated trigger, open cap and button safety. In the box is a slip from Crosman stating it has the new valve assy, and the slip is dated 1964. All the rest of the booklets in the box have a 7/64 printing date on them. The printing on the left side of rhe receiver looks like it was cast IN (too heavy for roll stamping- maybe). RB
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In Reply to: Allan Z, ZM 2002 Match rifle. posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 29, 2000 at 17:28:30:
Mary, I assume it was a 2002CA conversion?
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In Reply to: You may be lucky! posted by Tom Gaylord on August 29, 2000 at 17:49:00:
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In Reply to: 392 posted by Jos?M on August 28, 2000 at 21:33:50:
I truely love my Ben 392 its the older model with the stamped trigger guard.I sent it out to Mac-1 for the "works" last year.It came back even better than I expected. Before the tune I regularly dropped pigoens at 50 to 60 yards no BS. Squirrels at 35 no problem.Now with the tune I've dropped pigoens at 75 yards. I also got the Integra mount its the way to go Thankx' Tim and the guys at Mac-1. Im waiting for the first good chill before I go out for squirrels, the bugs love me.
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In Reply to: St. Paul airgunshow; any thing good there?? posted by bing on August 28, 2000 at 21:33:47:
I was at this AG show on Sunday.
I happened to be in Minneaplois for the weekend and spent a couple of hours looking through the shootin' irons.
Since I live in Canada I didn't buy anything because the exchange rate is still 50%.
I did get to see, fondle and drool over some guns which I have only seen pictures of previously.
The show was worth my while even with no purchases.
I finally got to see a Career 707 and also the 9mm
version.
Later,
Todd
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In Reply to: Air Gun Targets? posted by Bob Miller on August 29, 2000 at 23:56:34:
Try the below link, and download there target (copy/paste the thing into your address thing).
You'll need Adobe Acrobat to print them, but you can download that for free (I'm pretty sure there is a link for that on the site)
For a rifle target:
www.midwayusa.com/pdf/rifle_target.pdf
For a pistol target:
www.midwayusa.com/pdf/pistol_target.pdf
Happy shootin,
Chris
In Reply to: Got my first springer!! posted by AC on August 29, 2000 at 22:17:01:
Excellent choice. I know you will have many happy shots.
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In Reply to: a little off topic but ...... posted by john on August 30, 2000 at 00:10:01:
guns are still waay bigger the airguns..we still have the "right' unlike the Uk ..that might be two big reasons
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In Reply to: a little off topic but ...... posted by john on August 30, 2000 at 00:10:01:
Must be that liberal California state of mind or sumthin;.... RB
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In Reply to: PETA posted by AIRPOWER on August 30, 2000 at 00:00:47:
like i said, they live 1 foot past there nose. people who live 1 foot past there nose. have a tendinse to run into walls at times
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In Reply to: Re: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Mikey on August 29, 2000 at 23:19:59:
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Does anyone know How much a Crosman model 622 is worth and how hard it shoots?
Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: Crosman 600--Collector questions posted by trevor on August 29, 2000 at 23:50:06:
>As I recall there were "cheap"600s with back off cap and aluminium valve assemblies and "expensive" 600s,with
>push button piercers and brass v.a. available at the same time!
Interesting! I did indeed notice on one speciman that it had an aluminum valve assembly, whereas all of the rest were brass. It is the only 600 I have which doesn't hold.
>Must say I was heavily into dumping aluminium valve assemblies in favor of brass!
I've never been able to get that gun to seal, so I see the merit of your actions!!
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In Reply to: Air Gun Targets? posted by Bob Miller on August 29, 2000 at 23:56:34:
Try Mark er's Target Gallery
URL is below
In Reply to: Re: Air Gun Targets? posted by john on August 30, 2000 at 00:03:23:
try that
In Reply to: Looking for rideshare from the New England area to the Damascus Show posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 23:58:07:
how come there are never any airgun shows in southern california? i have been into airgunning for 4-5 years now and don't recall of ever hearing of any in the LA area. i have gone to some gun shows but the airgun sections have always been quite small with not much merchandise. does anyone know why this is?
confused,
john
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What can I say...I like the style (look) of this gun. I don't want CO2, though. And I don't like want a multi-pump, either.
Are there other guns with this style?
I still want power and accuracy at 20 yards.
The Tech Force 6 and the Tech Force 51 both look good, but from some of what I've read here, I'm not sure ethier would be reliable.
I'm hoping someone knows of a gun in this style that is accurate and powerful at 20 yards.
Also, thanks to everyone who has helped me out on my previous postings. I'm new to all this, and would have given up if I hadn't found this site. Thanks!
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In Reply to: Re: Air Gun Targets? posted by john on August 30, 2000 at 00:03:23:
lol, i tried clicking on the link but it doesn't seem to work =(. don't know what is up with that. go to www.airguns.net, then to links, and then under software downloads click on the one for pellant. sorry, but i don't know why the link isn't working. i just copied and pasted it from my browser box to into the url box. oh well a little long but better than nothing.
john
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In Reply to: Gecado 66 Match Air Rifle posted by Steve on August 29, 2000 at 23:44:21:
RWS / Dynamit Nobel in NJ is the place.
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In Reply to: Air Gun Targets? posted by Bob Miller on August 29, 2000 at 23:56:34:
on the bottom of his page he has some printable targets. you need to have a copy of adobe acrobat. if you don't have it, you can get a free copy from wwww.adobe.com i think.
hth,
john
In Reply to: Re: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by trevor on August 29, 2000 at 23:54:56:
Trevor: are you hiding something?C'mon, Lets see both hands, palms up- right now! LOL RB
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In Reply to: Awful gun control measure in California posted by Mitch on August 29, 2000 at 08:14:17:
x
Scrolling down is a bit of talk about this
enviormental wacko org.
This is not a joke , no punch line , true story.
A year or two ago PETA contacted the mayor of
the Town of Fishkill here in N.Y. State .
They suggested to the Mayor that the Town should
be renamed to Fishsave. The word "Kill" dates back to the days of yore when the Dutch ruled the Hudson Valley... it refers to water.
It's stll called Fishkill !
Bob
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What is the proper to store these guns?
Will the CO2 eat the seals, or corrode the gas reservoir? Or will the lack of pressure ruin the seals? Thanks, Duke
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I'm considering going to the Mid Atlantic Show a week from this friday, and would be interested in a rideshare from anyone passing thru the CT area on the way to Damascus. Will share drive time and expenses. Contact me via e-mail. Regards, Russ
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Anyone know of a sight you can go to with targets that you can print with your printer?
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In Reply to: Re: Got my first springer!! posted by john from NY on August 29, 2000 at 23:12:09:
John, I got my son an R7 in June for his birthday. It's a real nice gun. It's light but solid and very accurate. We've both enjoyed shooting it! Hope you have a great time with yours.
Alan
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In Reply to: Re: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by jeffl on August 29, 2000 at 18:01:28:
Well,they wern't.....!
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In Reply to: Product Opportunity posted by bcd on August 29, 2000 at 23:09:53:
BCD: if I went ahead and started building things like that and selling prepackaged tune kits, and writing airgunners books, I'd uh--- I'd have to quit my job ! Then I'd be one of the best known Po' folk in airgunning! RB
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In Reply to: Airguns vs. Beanie Babies posted by chasm on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:41:
There is a huge difference here...what are you going to do with a Beanie Baby??? Cuddle it? Unless all you do is sit your guns on a shelf and look at them, how can the two compare?
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In Reply to: Indiana State FT match this Sunday! posted by Anthony Storey on August 29, 2000 at 23:24:02:
nt
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In Reply to: Crosman 600--Collector questions posted by Ken Walker on August 29, 2000 at 20:52:00:
A lot of 600s I've owned have had post sale modification but from personal purchases I have always assumed that the open cap piercing system enjoyed short lived popularity.Initially guns were fitted with the fixing screw in front of the triggerguard.Making the powerlet chamber gastight was a successful move.Early in the piece Crosman Inc. advised all servicemen of the availability of this change in design.Initially a flathead, back off end- plug was used later the pushbutton variation was introduced. As I recall there were "cheap"600s with back off cap and aluminium valve assemblies and "expensive" 600s,with push button piercers and brass v.a. available at the same time! The flash steel trigger assembly was a later development and it was considered to be more reliable than its predecessor.The flat blue finish is to be found on Model 38s,451s and 600s,of the late 60s also.Grey grips adorned the Sears,Hawthorn,and Plinkomatics I've owned. Must say I was heavily into dumping aluminium valve assemblies in favor of brass!
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In Reply to: RWS 48 pellets posted by Lee Chastant on August 27, 2000 at 13:04:14:
I'm still experiment with different pellets. There are still a lot of pellets I haven't tried yet. Thanks for the info.
Bob
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I have a Gecado Model 66 Match air rifle that has lost power( the pellet stays in the barrel). I am wondering if anyone can connect me with parts or gunsmith for repairing this rifle. It looks the same as the mid 70's Winchester model 333, could be the same gun with different model name. Thanks.
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In Reply to: Mac1 LD Pistol posted by LeadDriller on August 29, 2000 at 11:17:08:
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In Reply to: Re: Try this posted by Michael on August 29, 2000 at 16:46:19:
I just wish they'd legalize small game with an airgun.
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In Reply to: Re: Gamo rifles? posted by Juan Mijangos on August 28, 2000 at 14:53:59:
I had a Gamo 500 with a bent barrel. I called Gamo In Ft. Lauderdale Fl. They said-send it back and they would either fix it or send me a new gun---They sent me a new gun.
Bob
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In Reply to: 800 = RWS 5 pistol (nt) posted by Don R. on August 29, 2000 at 20:43:59:
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In Reply to: Pogo pays a visit (and almost made his own post here!) posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 00:17:07:
Russ i feel for yaa man! As ive said on this forum before. My dog Mugoo (blue heeler english sheep dog mix) had killed 8+ Opossum dering a two yr period 97-98 he had passed on summer last yr. one of the smartest muts i have ever been around.
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In Reply to: Crosman 600--Collector questions posted by Ken Walker on August 29, 2000 at 20:52:00:
One problem with Crosman chronology is that they appear to have made random combinations of parts, grabbing from the top of a parts-bin when a batch of guns was being assembled - thus earlier & later features cold appear on the same gun.
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We will start around 11:30 am (gates open by 9am)should be 54 shots straight thru.Our awards will not be ordered until after the match, we do not require advanced registration so there is no way of knowing how many will attend I would suspect 15 or so.We will have Open, piston gun, and senior classes. Match should conclude by 3pm or so.If you need directions please e mail me. Our past State FT Champions include :Open Class Mark Plough,Duanne Buckenroth,Greg Rozak, Eric Moe,and Warren Williamson(Current)Piston class Mark Soonpaa,Don Hyfield,Dave Matticks John Neuman. Senior Class Don Clark.ps I hope I have this info correct I am going by memory! see ya this Sunday Sept 3rd! ...................... Anthony
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In Reply to: Mac1 LD Pistol posted by LeadDriller on August 29, 2000 at 11:17:08:
One inch average five-shot groups at fifty YARDS with Premiers at 550 FPS. No velocity change with temperature change!!!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: Re: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Lew on August 29, 2000 at 21:31:18:
Hi Lew,
Thanks for the info.
I am just on the outside of Orangeville. Live on 100 Acres. I can shoot anytime I like.
Way back from the road so never a danger of hitting anything. As far as I know the only air rifle club near here is in Elmira.
Mikey
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In Reply to: Crosman 2250? posted by Bill on August 29, 2000 at 20:25:23:
20 and under bill, if you want a clean kill. can make a good ratting rig. mac1 can sell you one a bit tuned (barrel, trigger) that will make it a lot more accurate. really. you might also want to ask tim for a trigger shoe for it. best $5 i've spent in a long time.HTH
john
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In Reply to: Airguns vs. Beanie Babies posted by chasm on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:41:
Are those things still around? I heard all the prices dropped and people were selling them like crazy.
Steve's right, I should find some of those rat beanie babies!
-john-
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In Reply to: Got my first springer!! posted by AC on August 29, 2000 at 22:17:01:
Congrats, I heard the R-11 is a good gun. I just ordered my first springer, an R-7, from straight shooters, after years of wallowing in pump-ups and Co2.
-john
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In Reply to: Re: Bench Rest posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 22:04:58:
Yo, Russ ... you should build a kit and instruction
manual!
Of course the fun would be having to have every
gun made in order to check it out ... then there's
the need to shoot them all ... 24 hours a day, 7
days a week doing nothing but shoot from the bench
AAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: Want to know your State's regulations regarding hunting with an Airgun/Silencers... posted by Chavez on August 29, 2000 at 13:30:22:
I called the KY Dept. of Fish and Wildlife and they said it was ok to use airguns for small game. I also called the local game warden and he said I could use air guns for small game, so I guess you can use them in KY
Bob
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In Reply to: Crosman 2240/50 posted by Jim on August 29, 2000 at 21:44:22:
well jim, that depends on what you'd like to convert. Air Gunner magazine June 2000 p.22 Brocock Air cartridge a refillable air capsule. No conversion of your gun is needed. 20 pumps from a stirup pump. each capsule has a built in regulator. aprox. 25 shots. I believe this has been tried before but without success. Hopefully Brocock has the money to see it through. if you're thinking along the lines of moding the gun, i believe experts (ie' mac1) could better explain the numerous engineering problems involved.
john
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In Reply to: Airguns vs. Beanie Babies posted by chasm on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:41:
After recently discovering that a local cabbage patch doll was (by virtue of it's birth certificate) trying to get a SSN for the purposes of collecting welfare, we took it out back and eliminated it. That's all we needed... another slacker waiting around for a Gore social program handout. Chalk one up for freedom! LOL RB
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I am still very much looking for pictures and hunting stories for the web page. If anyone out there has one or both I would love to add them to the page
Happy Shooting
Steve
In Reply to: Why would you want one? posted by Don Trinko on August 29, 2000 at 19:41:56:
Don: PCP's can be loud, and in jolly old England, one should not annoy their neighbors while popping away in the garden. Common decency old boy! RB
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In Reply to: Airguns vs. Beanie Babies posted by chasm on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:41:
One of the guys in the office said he was going to get me the Beanie Baby Starling.
LOL now considering, thats funny.
Happy Shooting
Steve
In Reply to: Airguns vs. Beanie Babies posted by chasm on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:41:
nt
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In Reply to: Mad at PETA... posted by SWAT955 on August 29, 2000 at 15:16:59:
People for the Eating of Tasty Animals, I'm a member
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In Reply to: Re: Do they define " firearm " in their rules? posted by Jim on August 29, 2000 at 22:03:53:
That's very interesting. I'm not familiar with the Feds regs, but I do need to check out my own state's (NCs) airgun/firearms regs.
AC
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In Reply to: Who sells scope bubble levels to prevent canting (nt) posted by Bob on August 29, 2000 at 22:18:13:
I have several BSquares, for both 11mm dovetails and Weaver bases. Airgun Express, Natchez and Golden Toller sell them. RB
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In Reply to: Sheridan BlueStreak .20 v.s. Benjamin 392 .22 posted by Frank Mack on August 29, 2000 at 20:33:01:
I don't own a 392 but I do own a 1970's vintage Blue Streak with the rocker safety and a Benji 342. I have held the 392 and I'll take the 342 anyday. That all being said, I would be hard pressed to pick between the 342 and the 'dan. I love them both and they are wonderful shooters. I am not a hunter so I'm not so worried about down range energy. For target and plinking both are deadly accurate, particularly when set up with the Williams peep.
Sorry I'm sitting on the fence, but I really can't pick one over the other.
-jon-
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In Reply to: Bench Rest posted by Dave on August 29, 2000 at 21:52:44:
In my limited experience, shooting a powerful
springer from the bench is sensitive to EVERYTHING.
For example, I followed Russ' suggestion to
incrementally migrate the front rest from trigger
guard out, and missed the magic point. It was
because of the width of the material I was using,
and the material itself.
How you hold the butt end of the gun also matters
a lot.
Of course, the usual trigger control, sight picture
etc. etc. factors that apply to firearms also apply
here.
One thing that helped me narrow the problem quickly
was to use a narrow support for the forend, and to
place it at the place where the gun naturally
balances. As Russ said, the incremental method
should ultimately find the best spot. When I
resorted to the balance point trick, then played
with materials, things got better. So far, my
best forend support has been a rolled up towel.
Everything else has been too bouncy.
A LOT of folks just use their hand between the
rest and forend.
There seem to be as many methods and materials as
there are shooters.
One other thing ... I was fortunate that my problem
was mostly vertical spread, so I had a good clue
as to where the problem was. HOWEVER, I managed
also to find conditions that caused horizontal
spread.
DON'T GIVE UP!!
(PS: I'm not done with the search for perfection
yet, not even close :-)
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I just bought an R11 with a 4-12x40 Bushnell Trophy scope off Brad's classified ads. Shoots CP lites at 880 fps. A very nice gun. Had looked hard at Careers and almost bought one. But decided against it because of cost (tank, pump, adaptor, etc), noise and lack of available places to shoot. I appreciate all the information and advice you guys have provided over the last five months. I'm sure I'll be happy with this purchase until at least October (will be going to the big gun show in Roanoke)!
Regards, Alan
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In Reply to: See you in October. Hang in there Fred... posted by Jim G. on August 29, 2000 at 20:52:35:
We should know for sure Jim after next Wednesday night's board meeting if we will stay where we are or move to an area just above the current locale. I'll keep you posted on the results. BTW, I just ordered a " de-tuned" (11ft) lbs TX200 MK III and should have it in a couple of weeks. Should be a lot less recoil than the FAC version (I hope anyway). I plan on shooting some springer with you guys. See you real soon!
fc
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In Reply to: Airguns vs. Beanie Babies posted by chasm on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:41:
Beenie babies and airguns go together great! Great targets! But not vice versa... Beeniebabies with airguns are bad
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In Reply to: Take a look!! posted by John Studt on August 29, 2000 at 12:49:02:
All four:
1:Do we need to pass a written test to vote, speak, or enjoy any other constitutionally guaranteed basic human right?
2:Fingerprinted like a common criminal to enjoy civil right?
3:Be able to shoot well before owning the gun we need to practice with to become able to shoot well?
What if the test is decided to be hitting a 1" circle 8 out of 10 at 50 yards with a snubnose .38?
4. The registration and licensing is the way to have inventories for confiscation after banning, California has already done it with rifles.
The double registration/licensing is just a way to discourage gun ownership.
The whole point is to make lawful gun ownership inconvenient, thus reducing the ranks of gunowners, thus making it easier to eliminate all guns not in the hands of criminals.
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In Reply to: Re: New BSA 22 SStar posted by jukt on August 29, 2000 at 19:09:32:
Is that hollow ring the front sight shade? The two small screws are use to fill the threaded holes left behind on the barrels should you remove the sights and scope the gun. RB
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In Reply to: Sheridan BlueStreak .20 v.s. Benjamin 392 .22 posted by Frank Mack on August 29, 2000 at 20:33:01:
Your question is easy: Give a choice between a .20 anything and a .22 anything, take the .22.
Don't know about the Blue Streak, but I know the 392 is awesome. Read the responses to "392" below.
I just finished skinning and soaking a woodchuck I killed this afternoon with a BenSher 392 .22. I used the peep sight, 9 pumps and a RWS superdome to do the job from 15m.
I will have pics up soon as the gun is for sale on Brad's classified page. The pellet went through the skull, just right of center, but didn't come out. The kill was quick and clean.
Kris
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In Reply to: Re: Awful gun control measure in California posted by Steve in TX on August 29, 2000 at 10:19:47:
How would you like to go through the Texas CCW procedure merely to own a gun in the privacy of your own home?
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In Reply to: Bench Rest posted by Dave on August 29, 2000 at 21:52:44:
Try resting anywhere from 2" in front of the trigger guard to 8" in front. The exact spot must be determined thru your testing. Mark each spot with a piece of tape, in half inch increments. A firm foam bar about 1 to 1 1/2" in diameter may work (not soft foam rubber). You don't want it too soft nor too firm. TN
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In Reply to: Re: Take a look!! WE DID IN NY!!!! posted by Another John on August 29, 2000 at 14:07:16:
Glock and other heavy triggers are the result of product liability lawyers convincing juries that gun which are easy to fire are dangerous and the real cause of accidental discharge by idiots.
Result is often cops and others trying to ride the trigger so that it will go off with a little added pressure in situations where they shouldn't even be near the trigger yet.
Lansing, MI's elite START squad shot an unarmed, unresisting, handcuffed man in the back while loading him in the van. There were several cops and one suspect on the scene. The cop shoving the gun into his back tightened a little extra on the trigger as he pulled himself up into the vehicle. Newspaper reports quoting police officials never mentioned the stupidity of squeezing the trigger of a gun you were trying NOT to fire.
I also question why the heck they followed him to a crowded Meijer's parking lot and jumped him where they could endanger dozens of civilians. I can't see how they could have picked a worse place for the attack (er, heavily armed arrest).
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In Reply to: Re: Do they define " firearm " in their rules? posted by AC on August 29, 2000 at 12:10:39:
In Ill.a firearm is anything that shots 700 f.p.s. or is larger than .18 cal. What is the Feds.?
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I'm scouring the internet for air pistol reviews to link to for a web site I'm making. I'm having good luck so far. Maybe in the near future you guys will have a nice handy reference site :)
-TK
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In Reply to: Re: Where R U? posted by Dwight C on August 25, 2000 at 16:22:32:
Canadian Tire stores in Thunder Bay,Ont. sell the Crosman guns and pellets.
They have the 2289, 1008, 2100, 357, 66, 10/77,etc
Todd
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Can you guys give me some ideas for things to use for a bench rest?
And where abouts on the stock do you rest your gun? Man I don't seem to be getting any better
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Fellow Airgunners,
I've got a sister-in-law who is a total nut as far as Beanie Babies are concerned. She goes to extremes to collect these little worthless (IMHO) pieces of cloth and whatever. When MacDonalds was offering a free Beanie Baby with each Happy Meal purchased, my remembrance is of the smell of her car with about a hundred orders of fries in the back seat. Recently though, I've had a bought of conscience. How does Gayle's Beanie Baby obsession differ a whole lot from my own air gun obsession? Put to the vote by the general public, I'm certain that yours truly would be considered the eccentric of the two of us. I guess the lesson here, at least for me, is that I should not condemn those other folks that have different hobbies than mine, as all of us nuts need to hang together lest we hang separately.
chasm
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In Reply to: Benjamin Franklin pellet gun?? posted by Dan on August 29, 2000 at 12:32:09:
No model number on back of receiver?
Rifle or pistol?
Pump rod in front like a tire pump,
or linkage operating rod in front,
or pump linkage going into bottom of pump tube?
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In Reply to: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Whitewolf on August 29, 2000 at 01:47:19:
Yeah, the fifty bucks sounds bad (equals about 35 U.S.), and it will deter alot of sport competition shooters for sure. As for the last line about handguns and auto weapons for hunting; it has been decades since you were allowed to do that anyway, so it doesn't affect anyone. There is NO handgun hunting in Canada period. Kinda sucks don't it?
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In Reply to: Re: Odd Flight Path - Revisited posted by Gordon S on August 29, 2000 at 16:48:52:
As I posted couple of times, I had the same observation with my Crosman 2200. The CP-s were not grouping as well as the heavier, wider, softer, longer Ruko pellets.
Lots of variables here. I think the width of the skirt affects the grouping in my case. The CP-s are loose in the barrel, they are also harder. The Ruko pellets probably bite more into the rifling and are forced to spin.
Just a thought.
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In Reply to: Re: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Tom B on August 29, 2000 at 17:18:07:
The Criminal Code of Canada covers the firearm laws and is valid for all of CANADA.
The provinces create their own laws for hunting and this is handled by the provincial ministries.
The two sets of laws work together.
Todd
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In Reply to: what is a Beeman model 800 ? posted by Ron M on August 29, 2000 at 19:25:06:
Ron, if you look in the eighth edition of Beemans Precision Airgun Guide you will see the Beeman 700, 800, 850 and 900. They are all pistols and the 800 is a recoiless model also known as the Diana 6 it has the round barrel while the 850 has the square sleeve barrel taken from the 900 series(also known as the Diana 10.It is a recoiless spring piston aka Diana,in .177 and a good buy for the buck regardless of Beemans usual dribble.
If you are intersted in any old airgun mags with reviews etc, drop me a note. I have a huge amount of literature availabe, mags no longer in print.
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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In Reply to: Sheridan BlueStreak .20 v.s. Benjamin 392 .22 posted by Frank Mack on August 29, 2000 at 20:33:01:
Like Lloyd had said, the newer ones are probly a toss up for the criteria that you are looking for. Personally I would try to get a hold of an older Sheridan. Seems like the consensous is out here that the older Sheridans were more acurate and better built. Thats just what I have heard. I owned a 397 (.177 version) and now curently own a Sheridan Blue Streak with the hold down safety. The Sheridan is hands down a much beter gun than the 397 and not because of the caliber, but construction, finish and ease of pumping. I have found that the newer Sheridan/Benjamin models to be a bear to pump up. Not so with the older Sheridan. Hope this helps you out,
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: Re: Cleaning/restoring a stock posted by James McAllister on August 29, 2000 at 12:50:57:
Thanks Docwell and James. I decided to try some 6x (extremely fine) steel wood and some dark brown hardwood floor cleaner. I put a few drops of the cleaner on the steel wool and gently rubbed the blemished areas. The spots are gone with apparantly no ill effects to the wood. I will follow up with some appropriate wax.
Regards,
AC
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Has anyone converted a Crosman 2240/50 to comprested air?
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In Reply to: Two people separated by a common language ;-) posted by peter huppertz on August 29, 2000 at 12:41:57:
In a college political science class I took about 17 years ago, terms were defined something like this:
Liberal: favors change
Conservative: favors continuation of current situation
Radical: Wants to go back in time
In US media-speak today, I interpret it as
Liberal:Wants to help big government save people from themselves, a very good thing.
Conservative: Wants to help big business steal from little people, a very bad thing.
Radical: Wants to kill everybody who disagrees with him, a very, very bad person who should be ignored except to pity his insanity.
In my opinion, "Liberal" comes from "Liberty".
My 8-year old Webster's college dictionary gives 13 definitions for "liberal".
1.favorable to progress or reform
2. any political party favorable to progress
3. (my favorite) pertaining to, or based on, or having views or policies advocating human freedom of action and expression. (this concept gives rise to bumper stickers proclaiming: "Gun Owners: The true Liberals"
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In Reply to: When and where and who started the anti-gun hysteria? posted by Dwight C. on August 29, 2000 at 16:03:11:
When the Liberal goodie two shoes' deceided to
outlaw booze, they created a black market for it.
The Depression created bank stickups as an almost not quite honorable profession. Quality firearms
like the Thompson Sub-machine gun became the tools
of the pros. Outlaw the ownership of machine guns
would solve the problem , just like outlawing booze eliminated alcoholism.
" RIGHT "
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In Reply to: Crosman 2250? posted by Bill on August 29, 2000 at 20:25:23:
I have a bunch of the 2240/50 models that I use for pigeon control at 15 meters.When you hit them with a 28.3 gram pelletit knocks them for a loop but your range is not more than 20 meters good shooting
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In Reply to: Re: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Mikey on August 29, 2000 at 09:29:10:
Sorry I was not clear in my post. There are some farms on the map where IF the owner lets you, you can shoot under certain conditions. IE the bullet or pellet stays within the property. Can not shoot past the property limit.
Unfortunately I don't know personally any farm owners here, so for me it is basement shooting.
I am near Sharon, you can check your Bylaw at your Town office, get a copy of the local Firearm and hunting law. Obviously no backyard shooting here.
Lew
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In Reply to: Diana 6 posted by Mac1 on August 29, 2000 at 20:53:11:
Yes, I remember that oh so well. A few months after I bought my 850 from Beeman (which was based solely on their favorable reviews of the diana guns in their catalog at that time), I was informed that Beeman would not allow my Beeman 850 to be traded in towards any other airgun Beeman had to offer because they were of inferior quality. I'm still dazed and confused over that one.
BTW, I've used my RWS-6M ever since, and it has been a great gun for it's intended purpose.
jcbii
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Sammy on August 29, 2000 at 13:05:39:
Of the two statements you called bull, I can agree with the one about cops not knowing crap.
On the other statement, I sure don't have to agree with you.
About your atatement that lawyers are not the most reliable source we have about laws, I meant the most reliable group of humans, consulting legal texts is better. (Or were you saying that cops give better legal advice than lawyers?)
I didn't mean to imply that cops are undertrained, I was merely stating that they are not trained as lawyers, and we can't go around expecting them to be.
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I have about 300 pellets through my Huntsman. at 20yds.
it will one hole, at 30 it's one ragged hole, at 40
it's under 1/2" at 50 most groups will be under 3/4"
It's already shooting better than I had hoped. this is with
premiers cleaned and lubed. I want to try Kodiaks next.
the air arms diabolos shoot almost as well out to 40yds.
any other pellets in .22 I should try?
what is considered broken in?
Mike G
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In Reply to: ORSA Field Target Info for 9/2/2000 posted by FredC on August 29, 2000 at 20:38:25:
I really enjoyed the August match, congratulations on a job well done, your efforts are appreciated!
Regards,
Gary
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In Reply to: Western Single Action Replica posted by Tony U. on August 29, 2000 at 14:58:33:
Tony U.
The next product from Umarex is supposed to be a Sig226 which may be out by the middle of 2001. I wouldn't mind having a single/action six-shooter or a Luger with an honest-to-goodness pellet-feeding clip. I think the S&W586/686 is the best Umarex made and the Walther cp99 is the 2nd best.
Bye, G.J.
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In Reply to: Re: Time for a new scope posted by Andrew on August 28, 2000 at 22:37:02:
Andrew,
I've had Bushnell's with range finding problems myself. The ten dollar fix has worked for me. As to your repeatability problem, that definitely seems to me something that would be easy for Bushnell to address. I own some Leupolds that cost in the five hundred dollar range and they are great scopes. But IMHO the Banner that you own is a bargin at one fifth the cost. I like it so well that I have it mounted on one of my favorite air rifles.
chasm
BTW, if you post your email address you will probably get more responses and more candid responses. cm
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In Reply to: Chinese pump-up posted by Alan on August 29, 2000 at 16:41:33:
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In Reply to: Re: New BSA 22 SStar posted by jukt on August 29, 2000 at 19:09:32:
The ring goes under the hex-head bolt, and makes it flush with the top of the barrel.
You will need the small screws to fill in the holes when/if you take off the front sight - mine shoots wonderfully with the iron sights :-)
Chris
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In Reply to: Sheridan BlueStreak .20 v.s. Benjamin 392 .22 posted by Frank Mack on August 29, 2000 at 20:33:01:
I have both. In their most recent incarnations, the Sheridan and the 392 are VERY similar in construction, thus durability and overall gun would be scored very similarly. The .20 has a flatter trajectory, and slightly better accuracy. However, the nod would always go to the .22 for downrange power because of the heavier pellet. Both are fine guns to own. If you are plinking, I would choose the .20 with dome pellets -- however, for hunting, I would choose the .22.
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I'm looking to buy an 8-shot, military-style, CO2 semi-automatic. Any opinions/knowledge out there on CO2 semi-automatics like the Walther CP88, RWS-C-225, Colt 1911A1, and Beretta 92F 8-shot CO2 guns?
What about reliability and quality of manufacture and finish?
Group size at 10 m?
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In Reply to: what is a Beeman model 800 ? posted by Ron M on August 29, 2000 at 19:25:06:
Beeman 100= Diana 27
200=35
250=45
400=75
700=5
800=6
850=6M
900=10
But of course once Beeman dropped the Dianas from the line they soon sucked according to the doc.
Go Figure
Tim
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In Reply to: ORSA Field Target Info for 9/2/2000 posted by FredC on August 29, 2000 at 20:38:25:
What's the story on the archery course/field target course, any changes? Keep up the good work Fred, your efforts are appreciated.
Regards,
Jim G.
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This is oriented toward collectors rather than shooters of these great guns,
but please take a look at the link and see if you can help me to identify the
many variations of the 600, and especially the order in which they appeared.
Do more variations exist than I have noted? Take a look at your own 600(s) and
see if you can fill in any blanks.
If you know more or if you believe my surmissions are incorrect (likely), please
post the info or contact me!
Thanks,
Ken Walker
In Reply to: Thanks! One last thing, how does it compare to the Game P-23? (NT) posted by TK on August 29, 2000 at 17:48:51:
Has to be better than the P-23
The P-23 had a very heavy trigger pull and was single shot with pellets.
It broke after about 2 weeks of use.
Mike
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In Reply to: what is a Beeman model 800 ? posted by Ron M on August 29, 2000 at 19:25:06:
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In Reply to: Want to know your State's regulations regarding hunting with an Airgun/Silencers... posted by Chavez on August 29, 2000 at 13:30:22:
Interesting tidbit from the CA code:
4186. Nothing in this code prohibits the owner or tenant of land,
or any person authorized in writing by such owner or tenant, from
taking cottontail or brush rabbits during any time of the year when
damage to crops or forage is being experienced on such land. Any
person other than the owner or tenant of such land shall have in
possession when transporting rabbits from such property written
authority from the owner or tenant of land where such rabbits were
taken. Rabbits taken under the provision of this code may not be
sold.
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The ORSA ( Oak Ridge Tennessee Sportsman's Association ) Field Target match for 9/2/2000 has been cancelled due to personal scheduling conflicts with the Labor Day weekend. We will be back on schedule the first Saturday in October (7th). My apologies for the short notice
fc
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In Reply to: Crosman 2250? posted by Bill on August 29, 2000 at 20:25:23:
Bill,
The crosman literature claims 550 fps out of the 2250.
I assume it is a cp light at 14.3 grains or just under 10 ft-lbs.
In reality I have heard and measure more like 515 or 525 fps or as low
as 490 fps. In any event figure on a hot day 25 yards usuable accuracy.
I have found that it is humidity more than temperature that effects
shot to shot accuracy (out of doors).
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Which out of these
two guns would you
pick to be the best
for:
1. Accuracy
2. Power
3. Durability
4. Overall gun
I thank all who answer!
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In Reply to: Question on Muzzle Brakes?? posted by Troy on August 29, 2000 at 18:23:09:
Found this picture on the web, follow link below.
In Reply to: Re: 4 more days!!!!! but read on posted by matt sudol on August 29, 2000 at 19:20:19:
Yes, I think that would be your best bet Matt, the .22 Mag is a really fine rimfire scope, and it would be a shame to shake it apart on your 45. Unfortunately I know this myself from experience, I destroyed one myself on my 36 in about 300 rounds or so. Stupid of me, I really liked that scope! Regards,
Unc
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Does anyone know much about this gun? I'm looking for a gun that is powerful enough to take pest-
( squirrels, rats, pigeons ) From 30 yards out is this gun a good option? I see in the Varmint Masters new issue this month it was placed under the varmint guns of Y2k. So I figure its gotta be ok. Well any comments are welcomed- thanx!
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In Reply to: The GS-1000.. it's a shooter (finally!) posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 18:39:12:
I've always thought the GS-1000 had potential, but every one I've ever seen has been a pretty rough shooter out of the box. That you were able to work through all the problems is a tribute to your skill and perseverance. I'm sure this info will be of value to other GS-1000 owners too. Per the Simmons ATV scope, the tube and basic construction is the same as the 44 Mag, but I don't think the lenses are braced as well, so it may not last on the GS-1000. Only time will tell I guess! Regards,
Gary
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In Reply to: Re: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Tom B on August 29, 2000 at 17:18:07:
This is why the western part of Canadaand Territories believe that their level of gov't should be responsible for gun registrations.
Later Whitewolf
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In Reply to: Re: gunGames Mag posted by Tom B on August 29, 2000 at 17:08:32:
Try: http://www.gungames.com
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In Reply to: add shoot an air rifle to be on topic posted by vZc® on August 29, 2000 at 09:06:26:
The police must protect themselves first. If they don't, they can't protect the rest of us. If they do, they may not be able to protect the rest of us. Therefore, protect yourself.
We all have only one right, the right to do as we ought.
I love my country, I'm just not too fond of the other people in it.
By definition, government is populated by people who want to oversee the running of your life. Unfortunately, most of them prefer to do that by taking over the running of your life. To avoid this, make sure that they fear you.
So, I recommend that we all "Be Prepared".
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In Reply to: Awful gun control measure in California posted by Mitch on August 29, 2000 at 08:14:17:
Here in Orange Co. CA our guys and their votes on AB 273 are:
Senator John Lewis: No
Assembly member Bill Campbell: No
Assembly member Dick Ackerman: No
The report was obtained by phone from their staff. I assume for now that their staff wouldn't lie, but I plan to check!
Haven't called Gray Davis' office, but I'd really like to find a more definite way to make a statement to get his attention. I am severely under-impressed by that buffoon.
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In Reply to: Re: Opps... fire+pellets= bad! posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 16:46:05:
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In Reply to: Odd Flight Path - Revisited posted by Gordon S on August 29, 2000 at 15:34:52:
Gordon,
Yes, I think you have the "essentials."
I haven't heard this before, but it would be interesting if it were possible to do pellet accuracy testing by watching the pellet.
As I stated I haven't been able to duplicate seeing the pellet yet. What scope are you using? At what settings?
I thought that you said your rifle was a PCP and that you had done some modifications. It would seem that you are competents enough to modify the speed along with using different pellets.
Only one more thing - I didn't realize that there was a moderator involved - You said that you checked the crown and pushed a pellet through the bore. Were you able to see the inside of the moderator and look for "lead chips" or a shiny section (well shiny right after a pellet goes through) An out of true moderator can cause your problem just like a bad crown or a chip in the bore.
Is the rifle accurate when shot rested at your normal range?
Thanks - interesting stuff.
Jim P.
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In Reply to: any one have a mini-lathe to sell or trade?????? posted by AIRPOWER on August 28, 2000 at 21:04:36:
I have a Jet 10X24, a Rockwell 11X24, and a Sherline. I thought making small parts would be easier on the Sherline, it's not. The fullsize is still easier and more accurate and versatile. I still prefer the full size machine for small parts using collets. I ended up buying better small tooling. As far as threading goes, forget the small lathe, not rigid or powerful enough, and most small lathes have limited or no threading practicality. If the threads are small enough to do on a mini lathe, they are more efficiently done with taps and dies anyways. I've made a drawerfull of various fixtures and accessories for it.
I like the Sherline when I need high rpm, turning rubber etc. It'll turn twice as fast as my other lathes.
I say "Raise" your full size lathe so you don't have to bend over.
Just my opinion
Good Luck and have fun with it
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In Reply to: Will dry firing a springer a couple of times do it in? posted by Keith Morris on August 29, 2000 at 14:30:32:
Just how lucky are you? Only time will tell ...
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Ray Apelles got 4th in nationals and 5th in worlds.
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In Reply to: silencers posted by Head-Shot Rabbit on August 29, 2000 at 17:38:08:
I shoot alot and I can understand why someone might want a silencer on a 30-06 or some other caliber but why would you want one on an Air Gun? I have had several air guns over the years and none of them are particularly loud. Thanks; Don T.
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In Reply to: The Crosman 357 Co2 revolver posted by TK on August 29, 2000 at 17:16:31:
I was wondering if the '6 or '4 barrel version is better. even though you lose velocity and power in the '4 is it any good still and how much range do you lose
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In Reply to: When and where and who started the anti-gun hysteria? posted by Dwight C. on August 29, 2000 at 16:03:11:
I recall that even before JFK was killed, he and
his brother had devised a systematic plan to disarm
the U.S. citizens. There was rumored to be a GPO
document that captured the essence of the plan.
I'm not sure what motivated the Kennedy clan to
take that path, but almost certainly it came from
their N.E. liberal, elitist schooling. After the
assassination, those who continued to worship
their memory continued and amplified their liberal
extremes.
I liked JFK (yes, I was a 60s college student), but
not long after RFK was killed, I started to discover
what they were really like. These were not good
people, they truly believed they were better than
everyone else, and were going to do everything
possible to dominate politics in our country.
Not good folks, not good ... and the beat goes on.
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In Reply to: Fun Supply,,Tech Force 4X32 Scope, Anybody Tried Them?? posted by McClure on August 29, 2000 at 19:20:55:
I got a 4X20, and I would rather shoot open sights. Left/Right adjust a no go. If you want one, get it for $29.95 at Compasseco, link below.
In Reply to: how i change spring to my gamo hunter? posted by dani on August 29, 2000 at 14:56:03:
If you don´t have the replacement spring you can order it from surrey guns. You need a good spring compressor and simple tools. Remember, this springs are under great pressure, so be very careful.
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power,caliber,power plant,is it a good rifle?
Ron M
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James Kitching's Fun Supply, now has a 4 X 32 AO Scope for sale for $50.00 made by Tech Force, anybody ordered one or tried one yet? I think I may get one and try it on a tuned R-9 full power just to see what happens. This may be a good deal for medium to low recoiling guns. Time will tell.
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In Reply to: Re: 4 more days!!!!! but read on posted by Uncle Gary on August 29, 2000 at 18:25:09:
I think I will just slap the scope on the 10/22 and put the old bushnell back on the 45. I didn't fire a shot with the simmons on yet probly won't thanks so much for saving me 60 hard earned dollars.
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In Reply to: Re: New BSA 22 SStar posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 18:50:37:
Thanks, Russ. Nice job on your GS.
It has a bag with 3 allen keys, 2 little screws, and a round , hollow ring. Is the ring to be used
as a scope stop under the hex nut head ?
Thanks for all the assistance you provide on the variuos boards !
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In Reply to: Re: The GS-1000.. it's a shooter (finally!) posted by Troy on August 29, 2000 at 18:51:47:
Troy: hard to tell how long the scope will last. Just keep your fingers crossed and hang on to the warranty info for the scope. As far as MB's go- most come with sleeves that will allow them to adapt to the commoner airgun barrel sizes. The GS has a slender barrel, and may prove to be a pain to find one that fits. Best to ask the dealer what the size range is on any muzzle break you see. RB
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In Reply to: The GS-1000.. it's a shooter (finally!) posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 18:39:12:
Thank You RBest for your muzzle brake answer.
Where can I find them to purchase.
Also I have a GS1000 I have put a Simmons ATV
scope on it do you think it will last very long.
It is a very hard shooting gun.
Thank You Again,
Troy
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In Reply to: New BSA 22 SStar posted by jukt on August 29, 2000 at 18:45:20:
Congrats on a nice airgun! I make it a practice to clean the bore on any new gun I get before shooting it, to get the factory anti-rust crud out of it. Little ring? You mean the recessed screw at the back of the rail? If so- yes, it can be used as a scope stop with the proper rings (BSquare 10060). RB
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In Reply to: Question on Muzzle Brakes?? posted by Troy on August 29, 2000 at 18:23:09:
Both those brakes look similar to each other except for the knurled tuning part on the front of the Vortek. Personally, I've found Vorteks to be both functional and good looking, so I give the Tamer the thumbs up. The barrel diameter of the FWB 124 is 0.618" and the GS1000 barrel is .567". RB
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Just got it today. Can I shoot it OOTB, or does it need cleaned.
Little round ring, is that the scope stop ?
Second gun, first was a TF38D. Dis one appears much nicer.
Thanks-jukt
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When I first got this gun for my son a year and a half ago, I was annoyed by several things. First of all- the recoil was even heavier than expected (and I know springers pretty well!). Then the gun wasn't grouping as nicely as I'd like to see- I had other Norica guns that shot better. The reason; nasty teeny burrs at the crown. Yeat another reason was that the front sight continually kept working loose, even after Loctite 222 was applied to degreased threads.
In the grand tradition of the daytime 'Makeover' type shows, a la Jenny Jones, etc; I vowed to work my way thru the sundry problems the gun had.
First, I stuck a scope onto a Tasco-810L adjustable mount and removed the iron sights. Not having to deal with a loosening front sight was a relief in itself. I then repaired the factory crown job on the muzzle by using 1/4" diameter brass balls coated with borepaste abrasive, working them around and around until all the burrs were gone and a nice clean , burrfree line was visible all around the bore exit. Groups continued to improve, but I was still getting zero shifts from time to time.
I then decided to do a Synergy Tune on the gun, using the factory spring, but adding a little weight to the piston to reduce the tooth lossening recoil. I finished off the tune by fabricating a stainless steel muzzle brake equipped with quadruplet angled vents (more for show than real advantage). The gun continued to show tighter groups and much better firing behavior (still notable recoil though), but groups were still shifting around from time to time. I eventually discovered that the recoil of this heavy hitter was causing the Tasco mount to shift, so on went a BSquare 17011 adjustable elevation base to accomodate the significant barrel droop and to keep the scope adjustments relatively centered. The gun now shoots nice consistent dime sized groups using the 9 gr Chinese match domes, at 25 yards.
Yes- it was a long and winding road to consistency for this gun, but it's now worth shooting, and would make an excellent squirrel gun with the 9 gr pellets. BTW- one more thing. I removed one of the two concentric trigger pull springs and stoned the sear. The trigger is now half the effort of a new one. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: 4 more days!!!!! but read on posted by matt sudol on August 29, 2000 at 17:19:50:
Gamo domes will work okay, but I've always had better accuracy out of my RWS break-barrels with Superdomes and Marksman FTS pellets. Not to rain on your parade, but I hope the Simmons .22 Mag scope holds up okay on your 45; it's not rated for spring-piston guns and the internals may shake loose on you. Hope not, Good Luck!
Unc
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Hi Guys,
Could you tell me a little about where I can get a muzzle brake and which one is the best between the VORTEK ACCURACY TAMER MUZZLEBRAKE and the
Crow Mag style. Which one looks the best.
Is there a photo out there of them and what are there dimensions for a FWB124 and GS1000 rifle.
Can you help.
Thank You in Advance
troy
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In Reply to: DAN posted by Re Blueing barrel on August 29, 2000 at 17:31:48:
Depending on the re-blueing product you use, yes, it will. The shade of blue will be determined by both the product and the steel alloy in the barrel. Make a small test reblued spot on the barrel to determine what the final shade will be. It will usually take several applications to reach the final shade. If you don't like it you can always remove it again with steel wool. The best and most durable product I've found is a matte black aerosol spray sold by Brownells. You just spray it on and let it dry, then bake it in an oven at 350 degrees for an hour. This produces a beautiful and even matte black finish that is more durable and scratch resistent than conventional blueing. This product isn't cheap; a can costs $25, but one can will do 20-30 guns. If you went this route the best thing would be to do the entire gun, so both barrel and receiver matched.
HTH! Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: 4 more days!!!!! but read on posted by matt sudol on August 29, 2000 at 17:19:50:
They'll be adequate as long as they group well in your gun. Good hunting! RB
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In Reply to: Re: Silicone Oil posted by Fred on August 29, 2000 at 17:20:34:
They (grease and sprays)are typically 3% TO 5% silicone, the rest being a volatile carrier with a petroleum base. RB
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In Reply to: You may be lucky! posted by Tom Gaylord on August 29, 2000 at 17:49:00:
Tom: the Kodiaks I've worked on did not have the white teflon seals that guns like the Vulcan and C-1 did, but rather a reddish/maroon plastic that could have been either cast vinyl or urethane. However, the seals were quite substantial in design with a heavy parachute style lip, and looked very rugged. IMO, the biggest danger for dryfiring the Kodiak/Patriot is spring fracture. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Crosman 2289 @ 20 yards...accuracy and power posted by Relbik on August 28, 2000 at 19:58:02:
relbik,
not that this is a bad gun, I own the 2289 & 2250 but,this one's not going to meet your needs. multi-pump is not the best choice for hunting, poor sights (sorry, jack, but they are bad)stiff trigger. that all adds up to a plinker in my book.
sure, some of these things can be improved, but you're better off looking for something better suited for the task. R7 ?
HTH
johno
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In Reply to: Re: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by Best on August 29, 2000 at 13:24:18:
Just rebuilt 2 Scorpions in 177 and they crony right at 500fps. I love these guns - so much better in everyway from the current 240 I also own. Tough to believe they were made by the same company
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In Reply to: Re: When and where and who started the anti-gun hysteria? posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 16:25:58:
Gun control laws in North America have been historically racist in origin. Mostly beginning in the 1800's, laws were passed to prevent various immigrant groups (Irish, Italian, Chinese) and slaves from owning firearms. Current gun control effort are not overtly racist, but still contain a racist component as the laws seek to prevent poor people from owning weapons.
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Help , I need a weaver reticle (crosshair)
for a weaver k4-c3 or k10-c3..
The electical wire out of a speaker I soldered
in works , but it sure is ugly under magnification
Any one know where I might find/purchase a reticle ??
carl
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In Reply to: silencers posted by Head-Shot Rabbit on August 29, 2000 at 17:38:08:
You can buy any kind you want in the UK. Go for it! RB
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In Reply to: Re: silencers posted by TK on August 29, 2000 at 17:40:10:
NT
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In Reply to: Try this posted by Mom T on August 29, 2000 at 16:27:07:
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In Reply to: Re: When and where and who started the anti-gun hysteria? posted by Steve B. on August 29, 2000 at 17:32:23:
...as did the recent upsurge (supposed or real) in gun violence in schools. JP
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In Reply to: silencers posted by Head-Shot Rabbit on August 29, 2000 at 17:38:08:
Silencers are OK in UK.
Regards Gordon
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In Reply to: Alan in GA... posted by docwells on August 29, 2000 at 13:43:14:
got the regs and will check, alan in ga(!!!!)
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In Reply to: silencers posted by Head-Shot Rabbit on August 29, 2000 at 17:38:08:
I don't think there illegal for aiguns in the UK, since i've seen in all of the Brit magazines (i.e airgun world), pictures of guys hunting with silencers, and ads with people selling them.
-good luck-
john
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In Reply to: Thanks! One last thing, how does it compare to the Game P-23? (NT) posted by TK on August 29, 2000 at 17:48:51:
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In Reply to: Will dry firing a springer a couple of times do it in? posted by Keith Morris on August 29, 2000 at 14:30:32:
Keith,
Webley makes the Kodiak/Patriot, and that may be lucky for you. They use a PTFE (Teflon) piston seal, which they install unfitted. Then they dry-fire the rifle several times to squash-fit the seal. PTFE does not rebound from impact, and will therefore do this.
Beeman recommends dry-firing their P1 pistols, if they diesel too long when new. They have PTFE seals as well.
But, as Russ told you, don't do it again. It isn't good, in the long run.
Regards,
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
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In Reply to: Re: The Crosman 357 Co2 revolver posted by scot on August 29, 2000 at 17:40:28:
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In Reply to: Chinese pump-up posted by Alan on August 29, 2000 at 16:41:33:
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In Reply to: Try Tabasco Sauce, remember the commercial? (nt) posted by John Sa. on August 27, 2000 at 03:04:00:
Just in case some poor sot might actually try using liquid fire as a bug repellant, I'll share this.
One night I woke up and went to the fridge for a drink of cold water. A bottle of Tabasco fell off the door and broke next to my foot. I didn't get cut, just had my foot liberally splashed with the sauce. I cleaned up the mess, went back to bed and considered myself lucky. Five minutes later my foot was on fire. It was excruciating, exquisite pain. Rinsing washing and soaking didn't help. It still burned the next day.
I'd rather take the skeeters.
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In Reply to: The Crosman 357 Co2 revolver posted by TK on August 29, 2000 at 17:16:31:
About 7 or 8 full power shots at 400 fps max. Pellet should drop a good 3" at 35 yards keep all squirrel shots at 10 yards. Great price
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Thank you for your interest in the exclusive AirMonkey BENJAMIN/SHERIDAN Custom Stock. Turnaround time is 3-4 weeks on production orders.
Please route all questions through my e-mail window on the AirMonkey webpage.
regards,
Jeff
In Reply to: Daystate Sportman.... has anyone ever used this air rifle??? posted by Peter Kay on August 29, 2000 at 16:35:13:
Oeter,
"The Airgun Letter" tested the .22-caliber Sportsman Mark II very thoroughly. The first rifle we received (we bought it) was substandard in woodwork, bluing and accuracy. It did not live up to its advertised power.
Daystate asked us to test a replacement rifle, which we did. That one was very impressive. It shot like a PCP, had great wood and metal finish. Max pumps are 5 for these rifles, and pump 3 is over 50 pounds force. Four and five are in the 70+ pound region. Many grown men cannot pump past three, but you do get about 15 ft. lbs. at that level.
The second gun developed 25 ft. lbs. with heavy pellets. But it liked Premiers best. Both rifles were bulky, heavy and tended to flop over to the right because of the pump lever.
We are also interested in the new Mark III. We expect to see it soon.
Regards,
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.com
In Reply to: The Crosman 357 Co2 revolver posted by TK on August 29, 2000 at 17:16:31:
How many shots per co2 powerlet? About 60.
Is it at least somewhat well made? Yep. Mine has lasted over 5 years, had to replace some seals last year, cost $0.50.
Does it have any problems? I ran into a problem with the barrel being slightly out of line with the cylinder. 30 minutes with a round file fixed that.
Does it suffer from pellet drop at 20 or 30 yards? Not that I've noticed.
Is it accurate enough for plinking? Less than .5" at 10 meters good enough?
What's a good price for it (I've seen it for $40)? $40 is a pretty good price.
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In Reply to: silencers posted by Head-Shot Rabbit on August 29, 2000 at 17:38:08:
I don't know UK law, but if they are illegal/near illegal in the US, they are probably VERY illegal in the UK. That's just a guess though.
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I just read an earlier post saying that some guy can't use his silencer coz he lives in the usa.
I live in England and am going to buy a BSA superten mkII
are there any laws that i need to know (eg, if i can use a silencer)
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In Reply to: When and where and who started the anti-gun hysteria? posted by Dwight C. on August 29, 2000 at 16:03:11:
Dwight et al: I don't know to what end US laws and thinking may have contributed to your condition but I too believe it began in the US in the 60's. Sure, there were some laws already in urban areas but for the most part the rest of the country remained regulation free. Following the Kennedy assasinations we got the Gun Control Act of 1968. The assasination of ML King and near assasination of George Wallace provided additional argument for more.
I don't think they were trying to curb crime (because they couldn't, never have - never will). The polititions were trying to protect themselves, not the people.
Clearly the majority of voters can live with this because they keep voting for these structurally defective people into office over and over again.
I know this doesn't help much (IKTDHM - naw...) - Steve B.
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I am trying to get my barrel looking good after it rusted from inproper care. I removed the rust with xxxx steel wool and now I was wondering if I can reapply blueing. Will blueing affect the look?
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Well today I received the ZM here at Silver Streak Sports. What a beauty it is. This gun is a boring one holer at ten yards just the same hole over and over and over.
I got the gun on consignment, for resale, and as it stands looks like it is already history. But should anyone want it, please feel free to get in line, as there is much interest by two different parties at this time. However I don't want to keep my money tied up in it, and it should be in a good home that will use it's capabilities.
Here is all about it. It is a full 98% on finish, there are a few small scratches on the top of the barrel where a scope AO touched it (very minor) and there is one SMALL hardly noticable 1/2" long scratch on the bottom of the fore arm other that that it is perfect. I have shot it and the gun is in perfect working order.
It comes with a Gun Guard double scoped hard case with pressure equalization valve. It has a custom aluminum fully adjustable butt plate. And comes with a brand new custom machined and hardened bolt, and pressure adjustment screw. The originals are in the gun and working fine. It also comes with a guage, yoke, and all fittings necessary to fill from scuba. This gun has all the Allan Z mods. the bull barrel with integral moderator, Koric regulator, and is wisper quiet, and smooth as silk. It is shooting at 890fps with Crosman Premier heavies. Original owners manuel.
This gun is unscoped, so you will need scope and mounts. The price is $2000 + shipping (exact cost with no markup)
If I could afford it I would be keeping it, but such is not my luck. Email me if you would like to join the list.
Thanks,
Marty
SSSports
The trigger on my rws48 is a tad inconsistent. The best minds I've consulted recommended a little FP10 on the sear. My local gun merchant only stocks Ultimalube. Is it just as good?
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In Reply to: Re: Silicone Oil posted by DougWall on August 29, 2000 at 17:17:11:
How about the silicone spray or grease available from hardware or auto stores?
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Only 4 more days till NY squirrel season I am thinking that 6 squirrel bag limit will be acheived in about 2 hours. I just put a sling on my RWS 45 .177 and bought a simmons .22 mag mini 4X32 scope on it looks great. I think gamo hunters will be adequete? eh.
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In Reply to: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Whitewolf on August 29, 2000 at 01:47:19:
the way I understood it Onterio was doing this not all the providences
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In Reply to: Silicone Oil posted by Fred on August 29, 2000 at 16:20:54:
You should be able to get a small bottle from any industrial supply that carries O rings. Check your yellow pages.
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In Reply to: Re: Odd Flight Path - Revisited posted by Barnes on August 29, 2000 at 15:47:33:
Barnes et al: I've thought this for years. I suspect (though I've never gone after it) that a link exits between rate of twist, projectile AND velocity; like PVT curves or Ohms law but probably more messy. I suspect if you could "slide" the velocity up and down the observed anomolies would change. First one way, then stop, then the other way. The velocity determines the RPM of the projectile etc etc. Just a thought, good luck...
regards - Steve B.
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Just a few questions about it (BTW, this is for the new 2000 model with 6 inch barrel):
How many shots per co2 powerlet?
Is it at least somewhat well made?
Does it have any problems?
Does it suffer from pellet drop at 20 or 30 yards?
Is it accurate enough for plinking?
What's a good price for it (I've seen it for $40)?
Thanks for any help you might be able to give me. Also, I think I once saw a review of it some where on the internet, but I have since forgoten the URL. Does anyone where it is?
TK
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In Reply to: Opps... fire+pellets= bad! posted by Andrew on August 29, 2000 at 16:42:35:
nt
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In Reply to: Opps... fire+pellets= bad! posted by Andrew on August 29, 2000 at 16:42:35:
If it helps put your mind at rest there's lots of folk still have lead pipes for drinking water... I used to fill moulds with molten lead to make weightbelts for scuba diving. Probably best not to overdo that sought of thing though.
Regards Gordon
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In Reply to: Mad at PETA... posted by SWAT955 on August 29, 2000 at 15:16:59:
At the Zoo in Cleveland Ohio you wont belive what the PETA people did! its to funny!
This was on the new year..
A peta member wanted to protest the caging of gorillas so she decided she would live in the zoo with the big gorillas, so she put herself in the cage with them planning on lving like a "ape" until they were realeased...
Well I guess the gorillas werent as liberal as the peta lady because they tossed her around and she had a few bones broken!
LOL I wish i was there with a camera to take pictures of the dumb liberal getting the sh*t beat out of her by the very thing she protects!
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In Reply to: gunGames Mag posted by M Boyle on August 29, 2000 at 16:22:10:
Is there a web site ??
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In Reply to: Re: Odd Flight Path - Revisited posted by Gordon S on August 29, 2000 at 16:48:52:
some writer was testing a new (at the time) 35 rem XP100. he found that heavy long bullits keyholed. and, also found by useing a faster twist it was fixed..i agree with these posts. my wish would be 2-3 models with differing twist rates say 1-9, 1-10, and 1-14 in a R1 so you could get the best from the pellets used.
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In Reply to: Re: Odd Flight Path - Revisited posted by M Boyle on August 29, 2000 at 16:15:42:
Yeah, you're right. I should have known better. I used to mess around with ham antennas a few years back and remember putting a spark arrestor in the feeders. Ohh well, at least the new modem seems a tad faster =)
Regards Gordon
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In Reply to: Opps... fire+pellets= bad! posted by Andrew on August 29, 2000 at 16:42:35:
if you want to wax them try pledge..sounds like the wax was too hot..even finishline dry is much safer..no heat involved. we all have done somthing like this in the past..live N learn
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In Reply to: Re: Odd Flight Path - Revisited posted by Barnes on August 29, 2000 at 15:47:33:
My "testing" will probably be limited to trying different pellets which will happen to have different lengths. (I think length of pellet was one of the variables). It's not going to be very scientific though because other things will change too - like shape/mass/ etc. Like you say it's probably one of the things that happens when we "match" for the best pellet.
Regards Gordon
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In Reply to: Some good news about hunting!!!!!! posted by john from NY on August 29, 2000 at 14:26:02:
nt
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In Reply to: Try this posted by Mom T on August 29, 2000 at 16:27:07:
Ya' know. In the VA regs I don't see any explicit regulation prohibiting
scilencers. I do see a explicit prohibition against use of
full auto.
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In Reply to: Opps... fire+pellets= bad! posted by Andrew on August 29, 2000 at 16:42:35:
Andrew: wax should be melted in a DOUBLE boiler, not over direct heat! I doubt you will get ill from the lead fumes this one time, as I know guys that have sat over pots of melted lead for years, day in and day out, casting bullets, with no apparent ill effects. RB
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I got a 100% beeswax candle and took some a small cut of it and put it in a pot. I was planning on waxing just 100 pellets with it, to see if beeswax would make a good pellet lube... So anyways I put the wax in a metal pan, and put it on the stove, so when i see the wax is melted I add the pellets. ONE min later, there is a huge flame, and put that out!!! I now have this large lead plate! heh that was not smart... I had NO idea lead metled so FAST and easy!!!
I just have on Q. Can I possibly be sick from what I did?I didnt smell anything, but I know lead is very poisonis. I turned on the oven fan and opend all the windows, so in a min eveyrthing was clear. How much exposure does it take to get sick??
Thanks
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In Reply to: Daystate Sportman.... has anyone ever used this air rifle??? posted by Peter Kay on August 29, 2000 at 16:35:13:
These are very accurate, although rather heavy. A poor choice for real field work. I'm not crazy about the sidelever pumping, as the locating spike for the pump handle could have had a better spot chosen for it(watch those knuckles!). Also- the grip cover on the handle can move around on you, which is annoying to say the least. Don't expect to use more than 3 pumps for most work, as trying for five can be a work out.(is 7 pumps the max?) RB
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Are Simon Jay and I (and Lloyd if he goes for it) the only people reading this board that have one of the B45-3 multi-pump rifles?. Quality aint great, but for £35UK (about $55US)from a discount-house, I've got an accurate powerful little gun. Changed the o-rings last weekend - a fifteen minute job, once you've done it a few times! - and it now mashes a .22 Crosman Accupell (a fairly heavy pellet)into a flat disc at close range. Can't be any more technical over power than that until I've put it over my friends chrony.
They must have sold more than three of these things!
Alan
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Pump up pneumatics have graced my collection for the past 15 years, and the Daystate Sportman looks like to be the ultimate pump up out there. Has any used/seen/shoot one before. I would like to know how it shoots. I plan to buy the MkIII model when it becomes available in the US.
Thanks for the input.
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In Reply to: Re: how i change spring to my gamo hunter? posted by dani on August 29, 2000 at 16:06:55:
You need to make a spring compressor and possibly a couple special tools to open the gun up. I wouldn't consider your gun as user serviceable, especially because you seem clueless as to how to even begin doing it. It may turn out to be a big mistake. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Silicone Oil posted by Fred on August 29, 2000 at 16:20:54:
In low powered airguns, silicone works just fine, as they don't develop the higher pressures that magnums do. Air tool oil was recommended as a pellet lube for PCP guns, not airgun chambers. Both Beeman and RWS sell silicone chamber oils. one or two drops every couple thousand shots is what's recommended. More is NOT better. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Will dry firing a springer a couple of times do it in? posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 15:49:46:
drinkin & shootin..killing brain cells might make you forget a. cock gun in a safe manor. B,Place pellet in gun. C aim & fire..having 4-5 beers you might forget a pellets or two. didnt mean to imply he was drunk
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In Reply to: VA Game and Wildlife website access posted by Douglas on August 29, 2000 at 15:05:34:
In Reply to: When and where and who started the anti-gun hysteria? posted by Dwight C. on August 29, 2000 at 16:03:11:
Dwight: the 'beginnings' are varied and widespread, but suffice to say that liberal thought and activism in the 60's had quite a bit to do with the present day mindset. For all I know, some of our draft dodgers that hid in Canada (some of whom must have remained)could be responsible for the spreading the present 'guns are nasty' feelings on your side of the fence.
That said, the pointy headed academicians in Canada are the ones who conducted the 'gun violence' studies for your Parliament, and these studies were instrumental in getting your current laws passed. The Parliament was lied to by the RCMP (who now reluctantly admit it)and the academics who designed the study. It was constructed in such a slanted way that gun owners simply could NOT win.
During the year of the study ('95 I believe)Parliament was shown that guns played a part in 775 violent crimes that year. The REAL truth is that they played a part in just 75 violent crimes- only one tenth the amount !! So where did all these extra numbers come from? Here's your answer:
The RCMP was instructed by the study to canvas the area around all violent crimes and to report if guns were found. This means that door to door interviews were conducted, and if a person in that home owned or had a gun on display in their home, within a certain radius of a crime scene; the gun had to be noted in the report -- even if it had NOTHING to do with the crime!! Ain't that a kick in the tenders?
source... article "Canada: Lies to the North of Us" april 2000. Regards, Russ
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i emailed them on doing more airgun stuff this was the reply
Hi M. Boyle
You're in luck!! GunGames will be running a complete guide to airgun
shooting in the next issue. We have also added an official Airgun Editor in
the form of Jock Elliot. Jock will be covering airgun events, equipment and
much more in every issue. Stay tuned for more airgun fun in GunGames
Magazine!
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I recently purchased a Marksman 1798 for my son to learn shoting skills. The Marksman instructions stated to use Silicone Oil. I am sure this is for campatibility with the face seal and possibly the piston seal. The general AIRGUN FORUM lubrication recommendation has been that 30 wt non-detergent motor oil or air tool old is OK for most non-springer airguns. The 1798 is a mild springer. Where do I get silicone oil or what is a common alternate for this gun?
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In Reply to: Odd Flight Path - Revisited posted by Gordon S on August 29, 2000 at 15:34:52:
Gorden, get a UPC:UPS..uninturupted power supply ..the 350 Office has phone jacks for the modem and keeps it from getting fryed..$99 its a good investment
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In Reply to: A little chrony work on my Career finally posted by Jack Stinson on August 28, 2000 at 12:24:30:
Just wondering if it's the long rifle or the carbine?
Regards Gordon S
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In Reply to: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Whitewolf on August 29, 2000 at 01:47:19:
That's typical government. Make registration mandatory and attach a fee to it, then sock it to everyone who wants to go somewhere in the country for legitimate reasons. It really amounts to unfair taxation without representation, no matter WHAT the lawmakers disguise it as. Jeez! do you think the terrorist groups in Canada that are sending guns and bombs into the US are paying that $50 per weapon fee to the Customs folks? No! Well why the hell not! I mean after all, aren't criminals obligated to pay also? (tongue in cheek here). RB
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In Reply to: Pogo pays a visit (and almost made his own post here!) posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 00:17:07:
Nice to have visitors isn't it Russ?lol! Next time, feed him a .20 Crow Mag between the eye and the ear. No exit and no more oppossum! Those Kodiaks you use probably would have exited though. Matter of fact, I'd just about bet money that they would. Good story Russ! -----Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: World Field Target, posted by Jay Olson-Goude on August 29, 2000 at 13:30:14:
Thanks Jay I found my shooting bud in there.
In Reply to: how i change spring to my gamo hunter? posted by dani on August 29, 2000 at 14:56:03:
i have new spring to gun.i dont know how i can
remove old spring in the gun.i dont know
how i open cylinder where is spring.
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In Reply to: Re: no need for Ebay. $10-15 is retail on pricewatch posted by Mitch on August 28, 2000 at 21:38:21:
ok shipping can kick you in the head..agreed
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I grew up on the prairies of Canada (in the province of Alberta) on a farm.
Guns back then in the 1950's and 60's were not considered to be 'bad'.
Has anyone done a study to see where and when etc. the anti-gun lobby started.
Now I live in a suburb of Vancouver, B.C. Canada and feel like some kind of leper/untouchable because I like to target shoot with guns.
It just seems to be the trend to condemn an entire group for the sins of a minority and to blame objects rather than the personal actions of individuals. It is a very sad situation!
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In Reply to: Re: Awful gun control measure in California posted by Steve in TX on August 29, 2000 at 10:19:47:
Yeah, but we get to own & carry it....they just want to get rid of them all together. Read between the lines, hoss.
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In Reply to: Re: Pretty good Russ! (nt) posted by RGunn on August 29, 2000 at 14:14:39:
Randy: I tend not to be a 'panic artist', but rather I move deliberately towards or away from the problem(depends on the situation). I've dealt with possums before and prefer not to handle them directly as they have a pretty fair set of choppers even though they aren't particularly fast. My reaction upon seeing him was "Aw----- (expletive deleted)!" :>) Russ
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In Reply to: Take a look!! posted by John Studt on August 29, 2000 at 12:49:02:
What a bunch of stupidity...the criminals aren't going to do ANY of those things. All this gun control garbage does NOTHING but put a burden on honest law abiding citizens. It is nothing more than further attempts by liberal democraps to make up new taxes and try to control other peoples lives. Let em go and before you know it you won't even be able to set foot in a National Park or buy meat or milk in the supermarket. A couple hundred years ago, there'd have been a bounty out on these stupid people. Fight em all the way...it's the ONLY way. The real question should be whether or not crime is down in the concealed carry states. We here on the news that Nationally, crime is down. But, how is it down state by state???
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In Reply to: Just curious: What's the most expensive airgun you've seen? posted by Flak on August 28, 2000 at 20:19:12:
Flak i hant got it but my JW80 will be just under 3 grand ive seen photos of gary barnes pcp guns that can be that and much more
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In Reply to: working in Mexico for 4 months, want to hunt pigs posted by Alain on August 27, 2000 at 20:50:27:
Alain - I'd be very careful in selecting a rifle for pig hunting,ie. do some research and talk to hunters who have "been there". A Career is a great air rifle in .25cal, but the smallest gun they use in my area would be a shotgun with slugs. The consequences of "P...'n" off a big pig can be/and are bad news. One fellow in my county(San Benito) was ripped up badly after his gun misfired. Anyway, good luck/good hunting to you.
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In Reply to: Will dry firing a springer a couple of times do it in? posted by Keith Morris on August 29, 2000 at 14:30:32:
Keith; several times could become a problem in a big magnum like that. Lesser powered guns are often a little more forgiving(less stress). If the gun is still shooting OK, don't worry about it. BTW, how does one dryfire several times "accidently"? Aren't you paying attention? Memory lapses are a bad thing to have in the shooting sports. You need to stay focused. Hope the gun is OK. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Odd Flight Path - Revisited posted by Gordon S on August 29, 2000 at 15:34:52:
Im glad to see this thread will continue.
Gordon I believe (I'm working toward my Ph.D. in Physics) that your theory is correct; in fact I just posted almost the same thing below before I read your post here. There is a definite link between twist rate and accuracy with a particular pellet. I think that this is why we all do pellet matching (whether we know it or not). Personaly I would be VERY happy to see the compilation that you suggested you were working on. The firearms Guys have had this sort of stuff for years and I personaly wish we had the same. I think that pellet manufacturers should be doing a little testing themselves and providing the results to the consumer. Immagine if pellet tins were marked with optimum twist rates and power levels. That would be cool.
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In Reply to: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Whitewolf on August 29, 2000 at 01:47:19:
they haveto pay for heathcare some how. :\they cant tax you guys to death so they find other ways. FEEs to do it IMHO only an opinion
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In Reply to: how i change spring to my gamo hunter? posted by dani on August 29, 2000 at 14:56:03:
Do you have spring of equal size to put in it? Gamo does not sell parts to owners/repair stations. RB
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In Reply to: Mad at PETA... posted by SWAT955 on August 29, 2000 at 15:16:59:
If they find pleasure in grieving for animal we kill for food, like cows, pigs, fish, chickens, just let them be.
No need to be annoyed, just be play on like I do!
MikeZ
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In Reply to: add shoot an air rifle to be on topic posted by vZc® on August 29, 2000 at 09:06:26:
i can do about half of that..shoveling munure? eeuw..i can work a shovel though :)
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In Reply to: Mad at PETA... posted by SWAT955 on August 29, 2000 at 15:16:59:
through=throw..oops
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Thank you for the posts which opened my eyes to what may be happening.
I didn't get chance to reply to the many interesting threads which were developing. My modem was fried by local lightning at the time many good folks were responding. Now fixed and lucky the PC survived - and the operator ~8o
All the suggestions are taken on board but it'll be a little time before I get to try 'em all..
In my words here's my take on what was said.
*Spinning Top.* Something's tipping pellet axis off barrel axis - Precession then aggravated by "lift" of air once in flight. Pellet describes odd flight path. Cause:
1. Sloppy fit in breach - air blast pushes skirt off center.
2. Tight fit in breach but air from transfer port deforms skirt anyway.
3. Probe not pushing pellet into breach concentrically.
4. Dirty barrel pulling pellet off barrel axis.
5. Bad crown tipping pellet to one side.
6. Bad Pellet with c of g off pellet axis.
How's about this?
7. Muzzle blast inside silencer meets pellet. Bad design squeezes blast into path of following pellet (for PCP anyway) Has anyone experience of this?
*Twist rate vs. pellet length/ (speed/mass?)*
8. There's an optimum barrel twist for given a given pellet and vice versa.
I'm working my way through the list.
Best Regards Gordon
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In Reply to: Mad at PETA... posted by SWAT955 on August 29, 2000 at 15:16:59:
swat, consider the source. PETA. these people live about one foot past there nose. they dont understand that you eat the fish or through it back. with little harm. they dont understand that fish are a lot like men. we both think of about 3 things men think of money,sex and food. fish think of food, shelter, and sex\mating. little else. they feel all animals have more going on betwean the ears then they really do. they think theyre more human, then they are and we are less human they are Elitists. im the type that fights back when im in the mood too..if they attacked me and i had hacking ablitity sp? id have a little fun with peta website
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In Reply to: Yaw Model posted by Swinson on August 24, 2000 at 23:24:47:
I've never encountered a diagram of that type before but it looks to me like the pellet undergoes a precession about its rotational axis. This is the natural and unavoidable response of a spinning object to an off-axis torque. What that torque is or was is the question. my speculation is that it comes from an off-square crown, the air blast leaving the barrel, barrel vibrations, or an imperfection in the pellet. Air resistance will compound any of these errors. I wasn't sure if you were trying to fix this or not but it is an interesting problem. I have heard of pellets taking a spiral trajectory before and I think that this could possibly explain it.
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what does decency standards havto do with mispelling a word or two? and how
is mispelling a crime?my post about the springfield arnory was true and
wasnt a lie. my thinking is very clear, its the fact i have dyslexia that
makes spelling hard for me. i have a very high IQ, your email implys im some
idiot kid. ive been posting at agl for 15months or more. the forum is not
about how well a person spells, its about airguns and sharing info on them.
my info was wrong only twice. once on what a pellets does when shot down or
up at an angle ..and one other time which i dont remember. if some one has a
problem with not understanding my posts they ask what i ment. they dont
insult my spelling. your email below has many mis-spelled words. would you
like me to make light of this? even though i understand it fulling? i dont
think you would! in the future if you feel my airgun informaition is wrong
please tell me why. my informaition isnt wrong simply because its
mis-spelled its wrong become the imformation is incorrect. this isnt about
life lessons its about airguns. wrong informaition on airguns will rarely
affect a person "for life" by the way this email looks like it was put
through a translator program..it made very little sense. in the future on
the forum, talk about airguns not spelling mistakes..if my informaition is
very wrong theres over twelve well informed people their to correct me, and
others
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when will those people just get a life? In my local paper they wrote a letter to the editor to a fishing columnist which happens to be one of my teachers, and they just insulted him. Now i am no fan of fishing but they called fishing :"the stabbing of innocent creatures and ripping them from their home". What kind of crap is that? The way i see it we evolved logic and therefore we have dominance over animals but this ability to reason we should almost care for the environment to certain extent but these people just annoy me.
In Reply to: Want to know your State's regulations regarding hunting with an Airgun/Silencers... posted by Chavez on August 29, 2000 at 13:30:22:
I have tried it and also through Yahoo and can never connect, does nayone have the correct URL?
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In Reply to: how i change spring to my gamo hunter? posted by dani on August 29, 2000 at 14:56:03:
What did you do to it? What's the problem?
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Anybody out there like me, that would just love to have a UMAREX type replica of a fine six-shooter? I've heard from this forum that the Smith & Wesson UMAREX revolver is the only one really worth having. It sure would be nice to add a Colt single action or maybe a Ruger Blackhawk CO2. ..or the Vaquero.... It would also be nice to have at least the velocity that the old .22 Crosman MkI puts out. (don't care for the Brocock idea) Love those western guns. Oh well...just day dreaming..............got to get back to work and off the Internet!
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In Reply to: Will dry firing a springer a couple of times do it in? posted by Keith Morris on August 29, 2000 at 14:30:32:
What was surprising about it? did you forget to load it? reason No.1 I use a break-barrel springer is because I can be 100% sure I will never close the breech empty
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In Reply to: Will dry firing a springer a couple of times do it in? posted by Keith Morris on August 29, 2000 at 14:30:32:
NO
don't do it again
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Hello,
Is there any site for the pics and reviews of these guns, especially the fx2000. Because i cant find any reviews on fx2000.
Thanks
Omer.
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i need help to change spring.
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In Reply to: IGNORANCE has its price. posted by Another John on August 29, 2000 at 14:12:08:
blacks had to pass a test before they could vote. think about it..i know this doesnt aply, but if an anti-gun type could use it against us he\she would. one of the qustins could tell them that you are a Dem or repub, be the wording
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In Reply to: Re: Daisy 753 vs. 853 posted by Slug on August 29, 2000 at 00:48:19:
no difference internally to these guns, we do trigger jobs on the ones we sell to get them down to a more managable trigger level
I've accidently dry fired my springer (Kodiak) several
times much to my suprise. I'm curious if I need to be
inspecting the spring/piston for damage?
Any thoughts.
Thanks,
Keith
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Go to this link-
In Reply to: Re: Pretty good Russ! (nt) posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 13:32:09:
I remember in my high school days when an obnoxious friend walked into the local Dairy Queen holding an Opposum at his side by the tail! When the girl asked to take his order, he flopped the snarling beast up on the counter and scared the ever lovin crap out of everyone around! True story.
I can only imagine the immediate fear that shot through you when you heard that first his! LOL.
Who knows, if you hadn't finished him with the first shot he may of eaten you alive! Not to mention the big mess to clean up. LOL.
Good story, wish I had seen your reaction. Hehehehe.
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In Reply to: Scope Mount needed posted by Jess Anderson on August 29, 2000 at 11:53:31:
You can do one of the following
1. Have a machinist groove the breech
2. mac1 sells a clamp on integra mount (pictured on my website)
3. B-Square sells a mount for your rifle
good luck,
Jeff
This is a copy of a discussion further down the list- I think you need to read this.
In Reply to: Take a look!! posted by John Studt on August 29, 2000 at 12:49:02:
SOMEONE WROTE:
Which of the four requirements do you feel is unreasonable to legally own a handgun?
All handgun buyers to pass a written test,
be fingerprinted,
pass a shooting proficiency test, and
register all handguns at the point of purchase before being licensed by the California Department of Justice.
With the possible exception of being fingerprinted these all sound like reasonable ideas to me. I wouldn't want someone driving a car without registering it and demonstrating that they know how to operate it and I really wouldn't want someone driving a handgun without at least having the same level of public scrutiny applied to them. Would you?
John
OH RIGHT!
In New York State we have had that "reasonable first step" for years. See how safe we are?
It now takes 8 months to get a handgun if you are not a criminal; about 10 minutes if you are a criminal.
Cost:
$25 for a background check ( NY state - the FBI might miss something).
$30 Background check (Federal- the State troopers might miss something).
County Sheriff gets a cut for the prints.
Local camera store gets $$ for Passport photos (4)
Local Sportsmen's clubs get $30 for the "safety course"
You have to purchase the gun in advance to get the info of the model, make, calliber, barrel length and serial number for the permit, and the store keeps it untill the permit is issued.
They have to do this in 6 months.
Then local judge can place whatever restrictions he feels like on it: "can only be carried unloaded and in locked box while on Route 32 from home to specific shooting club" or "can be carried for personal protection only while employed or on way to work on Rt 44 to junction of Rt 32 and south on Rt 32 to store during business hours weekdays"
One additional item for New York CITY- add one (1) thousand dollars for the lawyer to sue the city for not issuing the permit- then you get it!
Oh yes, if you are not from NYC your permit is not valid there. Where 87% of the crime is.
And there are no firearms crimes here. RIGHT.
NYC police note- Glocks with 12 lb triggers and 9mm FMJ ammo- so only inocent bystanders can be shot- Ignorance has its price.
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In Reply to: Take a look!! posted by John Studt on August 29, 2000 at 12:49:02:
SOMEONE WROTE:
Which of the four requirements do you feel is unreasonable to legally own a handgun?
All handgun buyers to pass a written test,
be fingerprinted,
pass a shooting proficiency test, and
register all handguns at the point of purchase before being licensed by the California Department of Justice.
With the possible exception of being fingerprinted these all sound like reasonable ideas to me. I wouldn't want someone driving a car without registering it and demonstrating that they know how to operate it and I really wouldn't want someone driving a handgun without at least having the same level of public scrutiny applied to them. Would you?
John
OH RIGHT!
In New York State we have had that "reasonable first step" for years. See how safe we are?
It now takes 8 months to get a handgun if you are not a criminal; about 10 minutes if you are a criminal.
Cost:
$25 for a background check ( NY state - the FBI might miss something).
$30 Background check (Federal- the State troopers might miss something).
County Sheriff gets a cut for the prints.
Local camera store gets $$ for Passport photos (4)
Local Sportsmen's clubs get $30 for the "safety course"
You have to purchase the gun in advance to get the info of the model, make, calliber, barrel length and serial number for the permit, and the store keeps it untill the permit is issued.
They have to do this in 6 months.
Then local judge can place whatever restrictions he feels like on it: "can only be carried unloaded and in locked box while on Route 32 from home to specific shooting club" or "can be carried for personal protection only while employed or on way to work on Rt 44 to junction of Rt 32 and south on Rt 32 to store during business hours weekdays"
One additional item for New York CITY- add one (1) thousand dollars for the lawyer to sue the city for not issuing the permit- then you get it!
Oh yes, if you are not from NYC your permit is not valid there. Where 87% of the crime is.
And there are no firearms crimes here. RIGHT.
NYC police note- Glocks with 12 lb triggers and 9mm FMJ ammo- so only inocent bystanders can be shot- Ignorance has its price.
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In Reply to: Re: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Dick Kelso on August 28, 2000 at 14:15:17:
> little army men (almost treason there)
Those are FOREIGN army men, so it's not treason.
Remember, many foreign armies wear green too.
Mike Ullrich
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In Reply to: Want to know your State's regulations regarding hunting with an Airgun/Silencers... posted by Chavez on August 29, 2000 at 13:30:22:
In New York, a "firearm" is defined as somthing that uses metalic cartridges, and it is illegal to use a silencer on a firearm. Guess that means that airguns are OK.
-john-
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In Reply to: Barnes makes a loud one too... posted by docwells on August 29, 2000 at 13:55:44:
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In Reply to: Taking apart Crosman 1008 posted by James T on August 29, 2000 at 13:36:10:
The parts tend to fly all over when you pull the two frame halves apart. It took me half an hour to figure out where all the little bits went to get it back together again.
It has a lot of tiny odd bits...the sear and such are not as you might expect. And they don't want to stay put when assembling the frame :-)
That said, unless the gun is broken, don't take it apart. The only reason I did was to add lead into the frame for a better weight feel. But the internals are pretty much set, not much to be done in there.
Jack
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In Reply to: Re: For $3000 I could by a sniper rifle in .308. posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 00:20:38:
Russ,
For that matter you couldn't likely shoot one of Barnes big bores in your backyard either. Just thought I'd point that out since you brought his work up in another post. No flame.
docwells
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In Reply to: Take a look!! posted by John Studt on August 29, 2000 at 12:49:02:
There are many of us that believe that firearm ownership is a Right afforded to us by the US Constitution. While I see nothing addressed in the Constitution about owning horses, bicycles, cars, or any mode of personal transportation rights. These are viewed as priviledges and it is certainly reasonable to require testing and registration. I am in no way saying firearms do not require safe and responsible training. Ownership of firearms are everyones Right. There are already many laws that require proper use and behavior.
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In Reply to: Re: For $15,000 you can get a H K PSG-1 posted by Chris Farhi on August 29, 2000 at 01:11:32:
the idea is that if the sniper ever ran out of match ammo, he could in a pinch use standard ball ammo. Also, .308 is inherently more accurate than the 30-06, on average, due to its shorter powder collumn and better fill ratio It's also lighter, so it can be carried easier by the ground pounders that have to carry the load on their backs. The military does use 300 win mag as well and 50 BMG, but those tend to be for more specialized uses. If you really want to start a flame war, go to one of the various military arms or tactical chat sites and bring up this exact thread and watch the mercury rise...
docwells
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In Reply to: Re: Time for an old favorite posted by Jon van Ark on August 29, 2000 at 09:28:30:
As a physicist, my team in college studied this issue. We did not perform the experiment, however, because we calculated a 1.73% chance of the total destruction of the universe, and a 21.9% chance of the mere destruction of our own galaxy. I guess we were too wimpy to go for it.
PLEASE don't try this at home, kids!
Mike Ullrich
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In Reply to: Re: For $15,000 you can get a H K PSG-1 posted by Chris Farhi on August 29, 2000 at 01:11:32:
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I just got off of the phone with the DNR in Thompson GA and was asking about airguns and hunting and was informed that the smallest weapon one can use for small game is .22 rimfire. I asked if that means that there is no hunting with air rifles, and he said "that is correct." Is this true, or is there any information that you can pass on to me about small game airgun hunting in GA. I was really surprised to hear this and find it to be a real bummer. Hope that you have some good news for me.
Thanks,
docwells
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I just got this co2 pistol and I want to know if it's safe to take it apart and if there's a specific way to do so. Anyone done this before?
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In Reply to: Pretty good Russ! (nt) posted by RGunn on August 29, 2000 at 13:21:17:
Randy: my biggest concern about terminating the possum was that he was on a thin slate floor in the hallway, and that a pellet at close range would overpenetrate and bust up the slate underneath him. Possums, being rather tough, may often need a follow-up shot because they have a very small 'off switch', which could make things quite messy too. This one had no intention of moving, and was standing his ground. Russ
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The page below provides links to all States in the
USA.
Each State has its own hunting regulations with
respect to what you can/can't hunt with an Airgun.
You'll have to do a bit of research to see how your
State may classify your Airgun.
Information is also provided regarding the use of
silencers or the like.
You may need Adobe Acrobat reader to download your
states regulations in PDF format. If your state's
information is in PDF format, you should be able to
download Acrobat Reader with a link from your State's
web page.
If you have questions there are telephone numbers
and email that you can direct you inqueries too.
There are also season dates for hunting.
Please educate yourselves and ask questions from
proper channels to avoid any problems.
Have a safe and fun hunting season!
hth,
Rene Chavez
In Reply to: World Field Target, posted by CJ on August 29, 2000 at 12:39:20:
CJ,
I've got a few up so far, there will be a bunch more soon as I get time to work on them.
Jay
http://mafta.homestead.com
In Reply to: alternatives to lead pellets?? posted by allen on August 26, 2000 at 18:32:36:
Best alternative is to use some sort of trap when you shoot that will collect the lead which you can use for any number of projects if you so choose (lead sinkers if you fish, round balls if you shoot black powder) or you can find someone else that can use the lead for their own purposes. There are many past posts on how to make your own trap and they are not very expensive.
HTH,
docwells
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In Reply to: Re: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by Driskill on August 29, 2000 at 12:29:01:
MD: some Caribbean Islands only allow for smoothbore airguns also. Russ
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In Reply to: Pogo pays a visit (and almost made his own post here!) posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 00:17:07:
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Mitch on August 29, 2000 at 07:34:29:
Mitch: I'm with you on this one. Over the years, I have personally run into police officers and police chiefs that pushed their own agendas with little regard for written laws. In one instance, the officer flatly stated that airguns were illegal in that town. Research proved him wrong.His reason for saying what he said was simply that he did not want to have to deal with airgun issues on 'his beat',so HE declared then illegal, hoping that his pronouncement would travel thru the community (it did)and make his life easier.
The problem with some attorneys is that many just don't want to bother with the research, and that 'rule of law' seems to have taken the place of common sense. In either case, they may not have a clue as to how the judge will rule, which can leave them insecure in their advice. REgards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Mitch on August 29, 2000 at 07:34:29:
That is your opinion and I disagree completely that lawyers are the most reliable source of legal information that we have. But I will not make a blanket statement about lawyers as those guys did about police officers.
Whether a person agrees with me or you, you must admit that those 2 statements were not called for and I am sick of everytime someone makes a comment about what they read in the law or what they were told about the law by someone in law enforcement the immediate response is, "don't believe them, they are idiots, they are trying to set you up(with lots of capital letters and exclamation points), etc. That's ridiculous.
I do admit there are incompetent police officers. There are also incompetent doctors, lawyers, machinists, home builders, plumbers, electricians, store clerks, accountants, have I missed any occupations where there is incompetence.
Also I disagree with your statement about the lack of training for Police. While that may be true in your area it is not true generally as most departments have become so scared by civil suits over the years that a great percentage of their budgets are spent on training.
Look I respect your opinion. I just happen to disagree. Thanks for your post.
Regards
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In Reply to: add shoot an air rifle to be on topic posted by vZc® on August 29, 2000 at 09:06:26:
I've always liked Heinlein, and there is truth to what he said. Historically speaking, when a society becomes too specialized, it falls. If we become too dependent on others, we lose a measure of individual freedom and the ability to survive on our own. Regards,Russ
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In Reply to: Cleaning/restoring a stock posted by AC on August 29, 2000 at 12:27:55:
You may want to call one of the dealers that carry the rifle in question and find out what the factory finish is so that you can match what you have. Otherwise you might end up having to lightly sand the entire stock so that the finish you place matches the area with the blemishes. The other suggestion is good also. I have had luck with minwax wax and it's cheaper than the Birchwood Casey wax.
docwells
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In Reply to: Re: add life's unwritten rules posted by AIRPOWER on August 29, 2000 at 11:24:29:
Excellent additions to list. Did 2. to relatives big mistake!
For item 4. change spelling of 'your' to 'you're'.
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In Reply to: Cleaning/restoring a stock posted by AC on August 29, 2000 at 12:27:55:
You might consider Birchwood-Casey Stock Glaze followed by stock wax by same maker. Usually takes care of most minor problems. Hope this helps a little. James
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In Reply to: Awful gun control measure in California posted by Mitch on August 29, 2000 at 08:14:17:
Which of the four requirements do you feel is unreasonable to legally own a handgun?
All handgun buyers to pass a written test,
be fingerprinted,
pass a shooting proficiency test, and
register all handguns at the point of purchase before being licensed by the California Department of Justice.
With the possible exception of being fingerprinted these all sound like reasonable ideas to me. I wouldn't want someone driving a car without registering it and demonstrating that they know how to operate it and I really wouldn't want someone driving a handgun without at least having the same level of public scrutiny applied to them. Would you?
John
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In Reply to: Peter, WTF are you talking about? (way off topic) posted by Mitch on August 28, 2000 at 22:03:35:
Politically speaking, the liberals were the folks that were not very fond of a strong, heavily taxing government -- they believed that society could take care of itself, and the role of government was merely to provide an infrastructure around it. In the 19th century, the liberal movement was beneficial to the common labourer, and therefore on the left of the political spectrum, which was then dominated by the bourgeoisie.
In the second half of the 20th century, peaking out in the 60's and 70's, there was a tendency for governments to overorganise a heavy structure of social security laws. That's when the Liberals, without so much as actually changing their basic point of view, were automatically moved to the right of the political spectrum -- except in some countries, where people focused on the psychological implication of the term liberal, thereby forgetting what it really means.
Politicologically speaking, most of the Republicans are more liberal than the Democrats.
The true socialist is NOT a liberal. A socialist wants a government that keeps a close eye to see that anyone gets what he needs to survive. If that doesn't work out (and of course it never does), the socialist devises a system to make it work. A Communist goes a step further: he sees a government that basically owns and deals out everything.
Both, of course, are violating the liberal principle that people are free to a large extent, and should sort out their own life, while the administration stays in the background and caters for the bare necessities.
On the scale of catering for the interest of the individual versus serving the interest of the Common Good, the liberal definitely favours the individual's rights.
peter
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In Reply to: .20 HN Match in Sheridan? posted by Patrick on August 28, 2000 at 11:22:24:
I am not a big accuracy tester generally, but I did pop some careful 8-shot, 12-yard groups with a variety of pellets in my old rocker-safety Sheridan, including Premier, red box, yellow box, H&N Match, Silver Bear.
H&N's were surprisingly mediocre, about 5/8". By far the tightest group I got was with the Ben-Sher yellow box pellets, reputedly designed with the Sheridan specifically in mind, less than 3/8" with all holes touching.
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Where's the Pix posted at?
CJ
In Reply to: Be sure to include Crosman Premiers posted by tomjue/ca/usa on August 29, 2000 at 00:14:17:
FTS was more accurate out of my HW barrels
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In Reply to: Cleaning/restoring a stock posted by AC on August 29, 2000 at 12:27:55:
The second sentence should read "on either side of the barrel". Sorry
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I have an old .22 cal pellet gun that has "Benjamin Franklin" on it. There is no model #, just what appears to be a serial #. It starts with H and has 7 digits after. (H#######)
Does anyone know anything about this gun? and is it worth anything?
It is fast and accurate, but i don't want to use it if it's a collector's item.
please advise. thanks.
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In Reply to: Re: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by Joe G. on August 28, 2000 at 20:47:42:
I believe the smoothbore barrel was to make them legal in Ireland. Would be an interesting find in the US, for sure.
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I've recently obtained a pre-owned (but supposedly unused) R11 that has small blemishes on the finish of the stock. They are all located on the upper end of the stock on the side of the barrel. The gun was said to have been stored for close to a year in a gun cabinet. The imperfections appear to be on the surface of the finish. They are mostly round, light-colored dots not more than 1/8" in diamter. I'm wondering if they might be from droplets of oil used to prevent rust on the gun barrel that had lain on the wood while it was in storage (although I haven't ruled out mold). Does anyone have some idea of what these blemishes might be, and if so what would be a good remedy?
Thanks, AC
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In Reply to: '78 Beeman catalogue was not kind to the Scorpion... posted by Fearon Steele on August 29, 2000 at 03:57:39:
Alas, the good Doctor in his heyday seldom seemed too kind to things he did not import directly (cf: his comments on Diana products before and after they left his lineup)!
I wouldn't trade my P1 for a Scorpion, but it was a lot more gun than the little HW 70 of the day, and the finish, accuracy, trigger, and power compared very well indeed to the BSF's, IMHO.
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In Reply to: HELP!!!!! posted by Neil P on August 29, 2000 at 12:17:25:
Pull some oily patches thru anyway. It'll probably remove that fine rust very easily. RB
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Pulled a few cleaning patches through the barrel of my career yesterday before I went to work. This morning I pull a couple of patches through just to make sure it's clean. Now I have rust in my barrel.Forgot to pull any oiled patches though. Is there any way to remove it? Or am I SOL?
Thanks
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In Reply to: tech force 96 sighting posted by daniel on August 29, 2000 at 02:46:31:
Daniel: like any other sight, it will be correct for the distance you zero it at. It's impossible for it to be correct at all distances because of pellet trajectory. RB
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In Reply to: Re: To RBest posted by Charles H. on August 29, 2000 at 01:29:23:
It's possible that the state could adopt a definition that is more inclusive than what the general public thinks of as a firearm. I've seen that happen with other rules. It would be worth checking into it in order to either confirm that "firearm" does not apply to airguns or whether airguns, in that state, are considered a firearm.
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In Reply to: Because posted by DougWall on August 29, 2000 at 11:38:38:
A valve like those used to charge a PCP gun could be fitted in the "reservoir" (after you pump the air's got to be kept somewhere right?) So maybe with a hole drilled in the right place this "charging" valve could be fitted. Of course the stock would have to be modified as well.
I was just "floating the idea." After all isn't a pump gun just a baby PCP?
True, it wouldn't be "economical" (heck the pump alone costs $200.00) but as Mr. Bulk says we always "spend more money on less gun"
I have found the reason for my insanity. Airguns!
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I have a Sheridan bliue Streak .I need a scope mount for it . The scope mount needs to fit a 30mm tube.Please let me know where to look. Thanks, and God Bless.Jess
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In Reply to: tech force 96 sighting posted by daniel on August 29, 2000 at 02:46:31:
Daniel, you are sighting your dot in on the actual point of impact at a certain distance from the muzzle. Sighting on a target that is either closer or farther than your sight-in distance will result in the point of impact moving either upward or downward, depending on the trajectory of the pellet you fired. The same holds true for iron sights and scopes. Sight your dot in for the distance that you most frequently shoot, although some folks find 20 or 25 yards to be a good distance trajectory-wise. Have a good one!
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In Reply to: silencers/DayState posted by Charles H on August 28, 2000 at 23:58:49:
Why don't you just take it off and destroy it (they must be registered if not permanently attatched).
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In Reply to: 392 posted by José M on August 28, 2000 at 21:33:50:
My Benjamin 392 is accurate. Almost 1 hole groups at 10 yds. Mine is an older model with a thumb safety. The original trigger spring was replaced with a lighter spring from a pen. I've shots lots of aluminum cans from 25 yrd. and an occasional pigeon. If you do not mind pumping its good. Add the option of variable power, less pumps, and hardly no recoil. The 392 is fun to shoot.
Happy Shooting,
Ken A.
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In Reply to: Why can't a B/S 392 posted by Douglas on August 29, 2000 at 11:19:11:
The 392 only has an air reservoir designed for one shot. I suppose that if you were a skilled machinist, and were willing to totally rebuild the gun, it could be done. I don't know about the valve. In general - not practical.
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In Reply to: Re: To RBest posted by Mike Pearson on August 29, 2000 at 08:30:02:
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In Reply to: add shoot an air rifle to be on topic posted by vZc® on August 29, 2000 at 09:06:26:
1: Never buy from a friend or sell to a freind, for to do so may lose that friend.
2: The surest way to loose a friend is to lend him money.
3: When in business you have no friends, just customers.
4: "Be sure your right then go ahead "
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In Reply to: Daisy Co. air gun posted by Carol on August 29, 2000 at 09:39:17:
Go to the main page and click "Collectors Corner", there are a bunch of links to private collectors, many of whom's speciality is Daisy and early american BB guns.
-good luck-
john
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be fitted to use an Axsor/PCP style manual pump?
I wouldn't mind using the pump as it would make paper shooting and scope sighting less of a chore.
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In Reply to: And more... posted by scot on August 29, 2000 at 11:12:35:
Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race
divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from the highest
motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable
neighbors than the other sort.
--Lazarus Long
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In Reply to: Who is Steve Gunderson? posted by Brian Wheater on August 29, 2000 at 01:20:38:
Brian,
I didn't catch his location... sorry... he is a machinist and seems to be especially interested in vintage Crosmans and Benjamins. He also owned the Sheridan "B" that was on display
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I would like to know if anyone owns a Mac1 LD Pistol? Sounds like a real tack driver. Just looking for any comments or thoughts. Thanks in advance.
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In Reply to: Here's a more relevant one... posted by scot on August 29, 2000 at 11:08:59:
Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark.
You live and learn. Or you don't live long.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors, and miss.
--Lazarus Long
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In Reply to: add shoot an air rifle to be on topic posted by vZc® on August 29, 2000 at 09:06:26:
"Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough to let you make your second shot perfect."
Also RAH, as spoken by the character Lazarus Long, a.k.a Woodrow Wilson Smith, in _Time Enough for Love_.
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In Reply to: Re: Which crosmen pellet?? posted by john from NY on August 28, 2000 at 21:53:52:
Not nessarily. Contrary to popular belief, CP's are not always the most accurate pellet in a particular gun. Try different ones. CopperHead pointed field pellets are more accurate in my 575 fps rifle, have a very good ballistic coefficient and I don't have to hold over as much at longer distances (40 yards) as I do with domed or flat point pellets. You are reading OPINIONS here and not all are based on actual testing.
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In Reply to: I own one and its good posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 23:13:03:
Did your 2289 come with the flipable rear sight?
One end is an open notch pistol sight (which is definitely not good used close to your eye). The other end is a crude, but effective "peep sight". That works well close to the eye. Using the ppe sight, you are only concerned with placing the front blade on target.
I've had this sight on all my Crosmans using that frame style (SSP250, 1322, 1377, 1740, 2240, & 2250). They aren't bad with the peep in place.
Jack
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In Reply to: New Theoben High Power (38 FT/LBS) underlever gasram rifle posted by ewoodie on August 29, 2000 at 02:40:40:
too many mispelled words...can't read it. ;)
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In Reply to: Awful gun control measure in California posted by Mitch on August 29, 2000 at 08:14:17:
We already have to do this to be able to carry a concealed gun.
Steve
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In Reply to: Re: Crosman 600 patents? posted by DT Fletcher on August 29, 2000 at 02:09:54:
Unfortunately, neither IBM nor the US patent office has patents that old available online, so I guess it's off to the OSU patent library...
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In Reply to: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Whitewolf on August 29, 2000 at 01:47:19:
without a doubt the most asinign government action in my life time
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In Reply to: Ripley Phone # posted by Mike R. on August 29, 2000 at 08:58:50:
N/T
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In Reply to: any one have a mini-lathe to sell or trade?????? posted by AIRPOWER on August 28, 2000 at 21:04:36:
Thanks for all your replies.
I have a Jet 9X20 Lathe and all the tooling.
I am in need of a small table top hobby lathe so
I can work sitting down & up close with the lathe at eye level while making small parts. Back injury keeps me from bending over too long at my Jet. I hope a table top lathe will help solve this problem.
Thanks again,
Bob
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Does anyone out there in cyberspace know anything regarding an air gun manufactured by the Daisy Co., possibly in Rogers, Arkansas? It's the 25-year anniversary model, lot # G-605589. What I need to know is the selling price, when it was made and possibly a photo of the gun. I'm interested in selling the gun. Thank you.
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In Reply to: any one have a mini-lathe to sell or trade?????? posted by AIRPOWER on August 28, 2000 at 21:04:36:
I already have a Jet 9X20 lathe and tooling.
I want a mini lathe so I can get up close and
personal when making small parts.
I am disabled and table top lathe would allow me to sit and be at eye level while making small parts.
Thanks again to all who reeplied.
Bob
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In Reply to: Re: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Lew on August 29, 2000 at 08:25:56:
Where abouts are you? I too am about 50 miles North-west of Toronto.
Would like to know where these Farms are.
Mikey
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In Reply to: Re: Time for an old favorite posted by peter huppertz on August 28, 2000 at 18:40:40:
But...
Washing your car is a sure fire way to make it rain;
so, what happens if you wash your car while holding
an umbrella.
Now, boys, there is a mystery! ;-)
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In Reply to: silencers/DayState posted by Charles H on August 28, 2000 at 23:58:49:
you have a sound modulator on you gun they are legal in the usa in not consider a true silencer so it is legal to use your just changing the sound from a crack to a bop. I have one on my huntsman there great . Good shooting and hunting
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by BSJ on August 28, 2000 at 21:00:44:
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort
the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." Robert Heinlein
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In Reply to: Re: Full auto BB gun posted by pilkguns on August 24, 2000 at 06:45:46:
I loved that thing. 3,000 rounds per minute. Not much power though, but I'd set up a can at about 10-20 feet and shoot it for a while until it was a pile of shards. Then, one bad day, a buddy of mine got it taken away by the police for shooting out a neighbors windows.
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Can anyone share Steve Wilkins phone number in the UK. TIA
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In Reply to: Which crosmen pellet?? posted by Greg S on August 28, 2000 at 21:36:13:
Greg: What kind of a Rifle do you have? Are you sure it shoots over 500 fps? If it does I guess you have FAC. license.
The reason I say, I saw a Crosman at Canadian Tire, where the box said 650 velocity but the rifle was 495 fps. Mistake on the original box, it happens.
BTW here in Ontario all Crosmans are less than 500 fps.
Now to your question. I have a Crosman 2200 bought Premier pellets. They did not group as well as the Ruko pellets with MY rifle. Premiers should be the best and I am still puzzled but I tried comparing many times and it was definately the case.
Just try others too.
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by acet on August 29, 2000 at 02:27:23:
The way I understand it, you can pass a licensed moderator/suppressor in a will without a new transfer tax, but the paperwork and background check will have to be performed on the transferee just like on the original purchaser. The $200 is a one time deal for the device, as long as it's not ever sold.
Patrick
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In Reply to: Re: RWS Scope Screws posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 21:27:18:
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In Reply to: 392 posted by José M on August 28, 2000 at 21:33:50:
Jose,
I sent you an e-mail about my 392. It is awesome. One hole shooting at 10m with the peep site is common. I can only reach to 35m with real accuracy. Adding a scope should extend that to about 45 m or more.
My setup was actually assembled here on the forum with "Alan in GA" and "Bubba" and "Steve Parker" offering advice, rifle and accessories (only the advice was free, but the prices were more than reasonable).
The 392 will eat up Crosman and RWS pellets with no problem.
What more could you want: Affordable, accurate, powerful. Mods are available, but not needed (and expensive when you consider the % increase in price in relation to the % increase in fps and increase in the number of pumps needed to achieve the fps)
Regards,
Kris
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In Reply to: Bushnell Elite 3200 vs. Trophy posted by FPoole on August 28, 2000 at 16:53:36:
I do not understand the graininess...,but the 30-/50 zoom without effect on the picture I do! The larger the maginification, the better the in/out focus moment will be. So a 24x will rangefind a lot better. Generally speaking the 3200 should be superior in optics, since the Trophy is a cheaper version. The price you pay for a good scope has (to a large extent) to do with the quality of the optics (mostly the number of coatings, to reduce glare etc). If the 3200 is sort of grainy, you should have it looked at. The B&L/Bushnell is known for their clear optics against a reasonable price...
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In Reply to: Re: To RBest posted by Charles H. on August 29, 2000 at 01:29:25:
Canadian terminology of "FIREARM".
Quote from the official Manual:
"Firearm
Means any barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be
discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and
includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and anything that can be
adapted for use as a firearm."
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In Reply to: Re: To RBest posted by Charles H. on August 29, 2000 at 01:29:23:
Now that you have the state law down pat, what is the federal law on the subject? --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: New Theoben High Power (38 FT/LBS) underlever gasram rifle posted by ewoodie on August 29, 2000 at 02:40:40:
with laminated stock, special trigger and costs UKP 700/USD 1000. Rifle looks like the SLR-version, only longer barrel and cockingarm.
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In Reply to: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Whitewolf on August 29, 2000 at 01:47:19:
In my region, 50 miles north of Toronto, even though we need no license for Airguns <500 fps. airguns are not legal for hunting anything. We can only target shoot legally with it on designated farms. The town provides pamphlet with maps.
So even IF you can bring one over, your friends here should check with local authoroties. It's that bad.
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It might pass before the end of August. Remember, as California law goes, the rest of the country tends to eventually follow.
In Reply to: Hold on a sec....how do I find the time??? posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 23:42:55:
The way I see it, if the rifle is shot right side up at the distance for which it has been sighted in, then shot upside down at the same distance (keeping the same aiming point), the vertical distance between the two groups will be twice the pellet drop. The time to drop can be calculated using:
drop = 1/2 g t^2
or rearranging:
time = sqrt(drop/16.1)
where the drop is in feet and the time in seconds. This time can now be used to calculate the average velocity from muzzle to target using the formula:
average velocity = distance / time
But is average velocity what you are looking for? Don't you want the muzzle velocity? If so, things quickly get complicated because the relationship between average and muzzle velocity is dependent on drag, which is itself dependent on velocity, as well as pellet shape and weight. Probably the easiest thing to do at this point whould be to get hold of some ballistics software which outputs pellet drop directly, then try inputting various muzzle velocities for the pellet you used until you find the velocity which predicts the drop you measured. Seems like a lot of trouble to save $100.
Good luck,
Chuck
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In Reply to: I think I got the kinks out! posted by BCall on August 28, 2000 at 22:02:27:
B,
Sounds like a nice job!
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In Reply to: Re: did you forget yer fiber? posted by M Boyle on August 28, 2000 at 15:47:33:
But sometimes I get weary of questions asking what is already answered. It is fairly obvious that two US companies would list their prices in US Dollars. Why on Earth wouldn't they?
This question followed the chronograph question....which had already been answered about six threads below. In fact, all I did was link to that thread....the thread which I took the time to read.
Jack
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In Reply to: Re: Jack..What is the purpose in washing the pellets before lubing them? posted by Jack Stinson on August 29, 2000 at 07:40:02:
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In Reply to: Jack..What is the purpose in washing the pellets before lubing them? posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 28, 2000 at 15:57:03:
Hmmmm.....I don't think I am washing them to remove dirt or lead dust.
CP's appear to be covered with some sort of lube left over from the die process when they are made. A black stuff that gets everywhere....and I don't want it in my bore.
A quick cleaning and they are ready for fresh lube of Slick 50 that isn't so nasty.
Congrats on the woodchucks. I didn't see any myself last weekend. Did pop quite a few pest birds though.
Jack
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In Reply to: tech force 96 sighting posted by daniel on August 29, 2000 at 02:46:31:
I'ts accurate at all distances. Parallax is very minimal, tho all red dot sights have some, even the ones who claim none.
In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Sammy on August 29, 2000 at 05:57:37:
Sammy:
Many of your statements are, shall we say, BULL.
Here in Michigan, local police and sheriff's deputies can't even keep track of the traffic laws. Statements of contrary situations are not rare exceptions, but happen very commonly, more than 10% of the time. Cops have their misconceptions just like the rest of us. Plus, many of them will make statements about laws they know nothing about, either because it is easier to guess or because they don't want to look ignorant. Lawyers are a more relable source of legal advice, but far from infallible. One time I consulted three lawyers on a legal matter. All three advertised doing work in the specific area involved, two did nothing but that type of work. All told me that the law did not, in practice, work the way I thought the code read, and my chance of winning was less than 10%. Months later, the top lawyer in my half of the state told me that the case was winnable the way I had originally wanted to file it, and the three lawyers who advised me otherwise were mistaken. Lawyers are not reliable sources of legal information, they are just the most reliable source we have. Law enforcement officers do not have their training, and are less reliable than lawyers.
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In Reply to: What's everyone's thoughts on the Chinese XS-B18 air rifle in .177? posted by Cry Havok on August 28, 2000 at 18:24:44:
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In Reply to: Day's Highlight posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 20:03:52:
No, it's not.
This is one of several airgun boards I read daily (as do others here). I do spend more time here than on other boards, but it's still only a tool for gaining/sharing knowledge, not the day's highlight. I'd rather shoot an airgun, than read about it.
I also monitor five slot car discussion groups. And they aren't my day's highlight either. I'd rather run slot cars, than read about them.
My daily highlight with airguns is when I get home and SHOOT them. The rest of this is just BSing or info dissimulation. It's the SHOOTING of an airgun that is most enjoyable. Relaxing with shooting my airguns....that is a highlight, not reading about them. When I read for a *hobby*, it's a good sience fiction book or something by E.A. Poe.
Jack
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In Reply to: Arent some expensive air rifles as loud as .22LR????Try and fire that on your back porch!!! (nt) posted by Tyler on August 29, 2000 at 01:29:23:
You already understand that there are many types of airguns. That some make more noise than others. That some can be shot on the porch, while others are best in the field. That the .22 rimfire is a different animal altogether....but not one that belongs in an airgun discussion group.
Jack
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In the suburbs of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania...
announcing..............
A I R R I F L E F I E L D T A R G E T M A T C H
35 Shots, 35 Targets, 35 Lanes!!
Sunday September 3, 2000
Everyone invited, bring the family!
Three Winners in each of Five Classes!
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SEVENTEEN winners will be awarded prizes, in each of the
following classes: Open, Unlimited Piston Gun, Stock Piston Gun,
Senior Youth (13-18yrs) and Junior Youth (under 13), PLUS TOP GUN
YOUTH and ADULT.
Where?
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Delaware County Field & Stream Association, Brookhaven, Pa
We are located on 65 acres in the suburbs of Philadelphia, at
Creek and Dutton Mill Roads, just off Route 352 in Brookhaven,
Pennsylvania. We are very close to I-95 and other major
thorofares. We have 50 wooded target lanes in the forests of
Delaware County, Pennsylvania.
Learn more about our range, and even partake of a photo tour,
at http://www.dcfs.org.
Sign-ups start at 8:00 am at the Air Rifle Field Course Range
Office just behind our clubhouse. The shoot starts PROMPTLY AT 9
and ends PROMPTLY AT NOON.
Facilities
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We have restrooms and a very nice snack bar in our Clubhouse.
It opens at 6:30 am so you can get a nice hot breakfast before the
shoot, and/or lunch after the shoot.
When
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Sunday September 3, 2000 from 8:30 am until 12:00 noon. Sign-
ups until 10:00 am. I intend to send most squads out by 9 am.
Details
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The Entry fee will be $6.00 for Adults and $2.00 for Youth.
Hats and eye protection are recommended on our course. The
practice/sight-in range closes promptly at 9 am so if you intend
to sight-in keep this in mind. Only the Standing Offhand shooting
position is allowed. Slings allowed for carrying rifles only, not
for shooting or range-finding. While not mandatory, you really
should have a scoped air rifle putting out a minimum 10 ft-lbs.
muzzle energy to compete effectively on our course.
Specific procedures will be posted and handed out at sign-up.
Come shoot Field Target in its most exciting, challenging form and
see why we turn out the biggest crowds!
E V E R Y O N E W E L C O M E !
Bring the wife and kids!
Jim Henry | Delaware County Field and Stream Association
Chief Range Officer | Air Rifle Field Course
http://www.dcfs.org | Email: jim@airpower.com
* 1st 2.00 #9525 * Fight Crime. Shoot back!!
In Reply to: any one have a mini-lathe to sell or trade?????? posted by AIRPOWER on August 28, 2000 at 21:04:36:
harborfreight mini lathe $369.99
sherline lathe $450-650 depends upon options.
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I have some questions on the Daisy Model 400GX
desert eagle look-a-like bb gun, Does the cocking mechanism work in the same way as teh walther ppk/s i.e it has "blow back" and roughly how many shots do u get per co2 capsule
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In Reply to: any one have a mini-lathe to sell or trade?????? posted by AIRPOWER on August 28, 2000 at 21:04:36:
Do you know exactly what you wanted to do with the lathe? The reason that I ask this is that in order to do various operations, you will need optional tooling.
If you just want cheap, then check out harborfreight.com they have a 7"X10" precision mini lathe. If you want a lathe that has many options backed by a company, then check out sherline.
Speaking from experience, tooling is everything.
Expect to spend just as much on tooling as the machine itself. Recently I just purchase a lathe for a little over $3000, but ended up spending another $4000 on tooling.
Make sure your budget includes the tooling necessary for the projects you plan to do on your new lathe.
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I have some questions on the Daisy Model 400GX
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In Reply to: Crosman Challenger 2000 posted by Roger on August 29, 2000 at 00:21:51:
Yes, It's a slightly modified Benjamin G397 with an adjustable stock.
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Zeke G. on August 28, 2000 at 20:37:35:
Since you were attacked by everyone else, I will say that the police can be a source of reliable information and you can also research the laws yourself to confirm it.
The blanket statement by BSJ, "Don't call the local cops. They don't know crap." is bull. Also I will say that John Sa.'s statement that, "The police are not a reliable source of general legal information.", is also bull. While there might be incidents of misinformation I will admit and maybe these 2 guys have personally had bad experiences, but to make those statements to you when you are offering or looking for information on a subject is just not right.
You might want to confirm what you were told. Local, State, and Federal laws are available on the internet and in print if you prefer.
Now BSJ and John Sa., I know you are itching to post to my post but remember that I can voice an opinion too as you always do when someone brings up this subject and I won't say the subject as I know it makes a lot of folks quite uncomfortable.
But I try to avoid these posts because it always ends up the same way, which is why I am not giving my opinion on the initial subject at hand. That should make you all very happy. I am merely giving my opinion on your comments as it relates to gathering information to make an informed decision.
Please don't waste your time with any of the normal responses, you know, lots of capital letters, exclamation points, talk of federal prisons, etc.
Just my opinion.
Regards
P.S. Now I don't know about BSJ but John Sa. I have followed enough of your posts to know you want to get in the last word. Just try to keep it civil. :)
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In Reply to: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Jeff on August 28, 2000 at 20:26:17:
It'sa pain to get one , you will have to be approved first by the locals, then the FEDs do a complete background check. Then you will pay $200 for a non transfereable stamp.Major pain (Proctologist)
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In Reply to: RWS/Diana-Nobel R10 pellet weights?? posted by Fearon Steele on August 29, 2000 at 04:08:43:
They weigh 7.74 grains.
The H&N Match weigh 8.09 grains.
And the H&N Match "high-speed finale" weight 7.61 grains.
I'm not sure about the second part of the question though.
Happy shootin!
Chris
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I'm ordering some light R10 pellets for my Daisy 7X7 tomorrow. What is the weight on these "light" R10's? I think if the R10 lights are above 7.7g or so I will hold off for some H&N pistole Fianale (7.55g).
Should the 4.49mm head-size be good or because it's a low powered pneumatic should I go 4.48mm? Maybe only testing will tell....
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In Reply to: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 19:44:33:
...reported it was hard to cock, accuracy and trigger was inferior to the spring pistol offerings from Whischo/BSF and Weihrauch. I believe the only strong points it sighted was the pistol's punch.
A fellow I know who owns one said the pistol uses too much plastic. Too bad, I'm a Scorpion (Nov 7, 1978).
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In Reply to: Re: crows HERE is THE CROW HAMMER posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 13:13:05:
Try:
They (sorry - he) did a review on it, and if I remember right it had some info on where he got them.
Chris
In Reply to: For $3000 I could by a sniper rifle in .308. posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 22:38:12:
I bought my Remington 700VS [carbon steel/kevlar heavy barrel etc in .308] back in '96. The rifle may be one of those flukes you read about but after very minor relieving of one close spot in the barrel channel and adjustment of the trigger it will shoot much better than I can. On a good day I can do 5rd grps of .380"/100yds four or five times in a row. The rifle will no doubt do better than that, my best is a sub .250" group.
The thing shoots under the inch at 300yds! All off the bags of course, I reckon it is set up for heavy bullets, lots of freebore, shoots 168gn Matchkings best. I have tried 155gn Sierra Palma,150gn Matchking, and 150gn Lapua, absolutely bloody hopeless, I am talking 1" groups at 100yds. I considered the heavier .30 cal Matchkings but the 168's beat the crap out of me now [off the bags at 2600FPS], besides, the 168's produce better accuracy than I am capable of using, why invite a flinch [something that I am very concious of and practically limits the accuracy of the .308] The best piece of advice re recoil came from my brother [Queens prize champion of past years] Write this down, "You have got to LIKE what the rifle does to you" Funny thing is that when I wore green clothes as a kid I could put 2-300 rds through an FAL in both repetition and auto and love it, I was bloody good too, especially on auto offhand. Sorry, do not mean to brag but it brings back fond memories. Funny story re the FAL [the Australian Army referred to it as the SLR], the rifle is equipped with a manually adjustable gas regulator, with positions 1-10 to be used when the rifle became fouled, I normally used 3. We would bet money on who could do what as the day progressed. The go was to wait until there were only two shooters in contention, {myself and the second best]. I would make sure that as we lined up, usually prone,that I was on the left of my opponent, the SLR ejected to the rightand slightly rearward, and it was a simple matter to adjust the gas reg to spit hot [really hot] brass down the back of my opponents neck. I had to stay really focused [not laugh] and take the match].
One very attractive aspect of running the Remington is that it does not require any maintenance other than cleaning, [every 15rds ot the range].
Good Shooting Richard
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In Reply to: Are you sure you're not thinking about CD ROM Drive???? posted by Simon Slick on August 29, 2000 at 00:25:33:
I can't recall ever seeing one that didn't have an eject hole as described above. Sometimes the way that they are mounted in the box/case/tower covers the hole--one of the two in front of me now is that way.
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In Reply to: New Theoben High Power (38 FT/LBS) underlever gasram rifle posted by ewoodie on August 29, 2000 at 02:40:40:
What caliber is it?
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when you get the sight sighted right and it is accurate does the accuracy change at different distances? is it accurate at one dictance and off either closer or farther away than the distance that you tuned it at? thanx.
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In Reply to: Southern freinds coming to Canada to hunt and fish packing an airgun. Please read. posted by Whitewolf on August 29, 2000 at 01:47:19:
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In the Airgun World Magazine is the New Theoben underlever shoot very hard , 38 ft/lbs have a brass pop up breech , like the Gamo CF20.
I will look for a pic. to put it on my Page SOON.
In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 21:15:08:
I don't think you can pass it down as you mentioned. Every "transfer" of ownership requires a new tax stamp of $200.
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In Reply to: Crosman 600 patents? posted by scot on August 28, 2000 at 09:49:24:
3,103,212 and an earlier version 2,940,438 they are under R. Merz
It is interesting to compare the two patents. Clearly this was a longterm project for Merz. The real innovation came when it came time to manufacture the gun. Merz also had to invent new processing equipment to make the gun economical to manufacture.
DT Fletcher
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In Reply to: Re: For $15,000 you can get a H K PSG-1 posted by bcd on August 29, 2000 at 00:54:29:
Reason for asking is that there are better B.C.
calibers than .308/7.62. In my experience, the
difference in recoil between a .270, 7mm and 7.62
is pretty negligible (they all hurt after awhile :-)
I'd like the confidence of knowing I had all the
cards on my side.
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In Reply to: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 19:44:33:
I owned a Scorpion for years. It was one of the first airguns I purchased when I originally got interested in airguns. It was at a local store called GI Joes and it certainly was impressive compared to the to the little Benjamin pistols. There were also the last of the MKII pistols being sold then. I went for the Scorpion (a .22 version) and it was a lot of fun. Cocking was a little difficult but not difficult with the handle. It was a big beast compared to most anyother airpistol, but it certainly shot well and had good power. I recall better than 400fps when measuring it. Shot a crow from better than 75ft with it.
DT Fletcher
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In Reply to: Re: For $15,000 you can get a H K PSG-1 posted by bcd on August 29, 2000 at 00:54:29:
During WW1 and WW2 the .30-06 springfield round was widley used. As gunpowders became more powerful and efficient after WW2, large casings were no longer needed to fire a bullet of the same wieght. The military decided to phase out .30-06 and replace it with the shorter and wider based .308 cartridge since it was smaller and had less recoil. In shooting competitions in the 1960s shooters were divided over the 2 rounds, but more and more people began to win with the .308 since the shorter, fatter based round is lined up easier in the chamber. Eventually the .308 was recognised as the more accurate round and the .30-06 was phased out of competition use. The round is used in sniper rifles today because it produces the best combination of accuracy,consistency,stopping power and low recoil (compared to the more powerful rounds)
Tyler
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In Reply to: Lots of customer comments on my site, most from this board url posted by James Kitching on August 29, 2000 at 00:27:43:
So i bought 1 today.
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As I was checking out some unclaimed hunting draws for this fall. I came accross this Kick in the go-nads for you southern boys that come up hunting and fishing.
AIRGUNS OVER 500FPS ARE DEEMED FIREARMS
BRINGING FIREARMS INTO CANADA
All firearms must be declared upon entry into Canada. Starting Jan 01, 2001, Canada Customs will require the declaration in writing and will CHARGE A FEE of $50.00 Cnd. This declaration will be valid for 60 days. All pistols, revolvers and automatic firearms are resricted or prohibited weapons and may not be brought into Canada for hunting purposes.
That really sucks for next years hunting and fishing trips eh guys.
Later Whitewolf
In Reply to: in this case, I agree (nt) posted by Albert on August 26, 2000 at 21:25:17:
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In Reply to: Re: Lucky for Pogo, did the Cat come home yet? LoL posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 01:18:34:
Try getting a Parrot their great.If that possum would have heard aacaw squawking, it would have ran for the woodsand never come back LoL :)
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In Reply to: Re: Are you a basement springer shooter, or a closet PCP guy? posted by acet on August 27, 2000 at 02:13:55:
No arguments from me, I have over 50 firearms, Am new to adult airguns so only have have 8 of them, Sold the vette but have two Harleys,Royal Enfield,and Honda VFR750F in the garage.
Think I'll sell a couple of bikes to have room to shoot this winter.
Art
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In Reply to: Re: To RBest posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 01:10:34:
I've got the2OOO-2OO1 Arizona Regs. right here and it says under prohibited devices and ammunition; A.R.S. ss17-3O9(A)(21) "Contrivances designed tosilence,muffle,orminimizethe reportof a firearm is prohibited". I noticed it said "FIREARM" not not" silencer use is prohibited on airguns". If and if I take the DayState , I will also take this hunting Regulations book with me in case I am harrsed.
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In Reply to: Re: To RBest posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 01:10:34:
I've got the2OOO-2OO1 Arizona Regs. right here and it says under prohibited devices and ammunition; A.R.S. ss17-3O9(A)(21) "Contrivances designed tosilence,muffle,orminimizethe reportof a firearm is prohibited". I noticed it said "FIREARM" not not" silencer use is prohibited on airguns". If and if I take the DayState , I will also take this hunting Regulations book with me in case I am harrsed.
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In Reply to: Re: For $3000 I could by a sniper rifle in .308. posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 00:20:38:
nt
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In Reply to: For $15,000 you can get a H K PSG-1 posted by Steve on August 29, 2000 at 00:00:03:
The PSG-1 is NOT the MOST accurate gun in the world, it is probably the most accurate semi-auto out there. The Remington bolt action M700 is the most widley used rifle by police and military forces around the world. You will find this M700 action in, the M24 SWS, M40 A1, M40A2.The remington M700P is used by swat teams across the country. 1st of all the only scope that can mount on the PSG-1 is the 6xpower hensholt scope, 2nd of all the gun is VERY expensive, 3rd of all the semi-auto action sends brass casings flying (a good way to give away ones exact position)and last but not least the Rem. M700 is more accurate and cheaper.
If anyone is interested, Airsoft makes replicas of the PSG-1
Tyler
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A Forum contributor mentioned meeting Iowa airgun enthusiast Steve Gunderson. I'm always interested in meeting Hawkeye airgunners. What does he collect? Where does he live? How do I contact?
Brian Wheater
Clive(Des Moines) IA
brianwheater@hotmail.com
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In Reply to: Lucky for Pogo, did the Cat come home yet? LoL posted by Charles H. on August 29, 2000 at 01:15:13:
I'll go call kitty shortly, as it's about bedtime. Kitty may have her nose bent out of joint tonite, or embarrassed as hell that a critter made it past her into the house. Ya just can't find good sentries any more! LOL Russ
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In Reply to: BEC pellet rifle.... posted by Zeke G. on August 28, 2000 at 19:51:55:
did that 54 ever arrive all in one piece? RB
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In Reply to: Pogo pays a visit (and almost made his own post here!) posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 00:17:07:
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In Reply to: Which crosmen pellet?? posted by Greg S on August 28, 2000 at 21:36:13:
Crosman make a fine pellet.Don't forget to try some others as well be you decide on one.There are some other very decent pellets out there.Experiment around until you find one that works best for you.
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In Reply to: Re:What are the shape of these pellets and what would be asuitable grain. posted by Greg S on August 29, 2000 at 00:34:59:
These are round nosed pellets (domes). If the gun is .177, the 7.9 gr ones should do fine. RB
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In Reply to: Re: For $15,000 you can get a H K PSG-1 posted by bcd on August 29, 2000 at 00:54:29:
308 is a great calibre.
Accurate, powerful, etc, etc
I suppose they also chose it because:
- it's pretty much the standard sniper ammo.
- it used to be the main ammo (7.62 NATO = .308win for most assault rifles. So, if the gun were to be put into military use, I suppose ammo would be easily available for it within the military info structure (not that you'd use normal "run of the mill" ammo in this gun - you'd be using top quality stuff).
- this gun however, was created for anti-terrorist sniping (after the Munich olympics), so I suppose you can ignore the about point.
Chris
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In Reply to: Just curious posted by Patrick on August 28, 2000 at 09:45:26:
If it's for hunting isn't walnut lighter than birch? Also you don't need triple AAA fancy just a utility grade walnut if your going to paint it.
Art
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In Reply to: Just curious posted by Patrick on August 28, 2000 at 09:45:26:
If it's for hunting isn't walnut lighter than birch? Also you don't need triple AAA fancy just a utility grade walnut if your goin to paint it.
Art
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In Reply to: Just curious posted by Patrick on August 28, 2000 at 09:45:26:
If it's for hunting isn't walnut lighter than birch? Also you don't need triple AAA fancy just a utility grade walnut.
Art
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In Reply to: To RBest posted by Charles H. on August 29, 2000 at 01:01:31:
What you need to check now is whether silencers are allowed for hunting firearms. If not, then they will also frown on their use on an airgun- most likely. The reason for this is that decibel reduction devices are classified as separate devices from the guns that they are on, and can be subject to different regs. It's a grey area and it can get confusing. If the county prosecutor brings charges, they weren't confused, as they usually know what will 'stick' and what won't. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: What's everyone's thoughts on the Chinese XS-B18 air rifle in .177? posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 18:33:30:
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In Reply to: Russ, you may know this, but... posted by John Sa. on August 28, 2000 at 22:14:40:
JOHN: I can eject a CD Rom that way- but not the floppy. I tried the putty knife already- no go. Jammed in there good (I think my son was poking around in there too). RB
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Your right. I am planning a Squirrel hunt the second week of October and had to check the Regs. for Arizona . It says that "pneumatic weapons are allowed but it does not say whether or not if a silencer is allowed an a pnuematic weapon. Charles
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In Reply to: For $15,000 you can get a H K PSG-1 posted by Steve on August 29, 2000 at 00:00:03:
I'm curious, why did they choose .308?
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In Reply to: Day's Highlight posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 20:03:52:
I'm not yet what I'd consider an air gunner, so
this may not count ... I HAVE to be here every day.
I'm still learning, so I need to read the posts.
I tried skipping a day, but then there were too
many posts to sort through for the good stuff.
It's starting to get a little familiar, so it's
easier to skip the non-applicable stuff. In the
meantime, I've got journals piling up that must be
read. I should have made it through todays traffic
by now, but I had to stop to nail a critter, AND
I'm watching "Sniper" on ABC. One nice thing is
that living on the West coast, the forum is pretty
stable and there aren't a lot of fresh posts
pouring in.
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In Reply to: I will publish reviews on my site NT posted by James Kitching on August 28, 2000 at 23:37:35:
I new I would miss someone. I'm sorry I forgot about your site and I have read those reviews and upgrades on the QB77's a few times, shame on me!
Art
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In Reply to: Daisy 753 vs. 853 posted by Slug on August 29, 2000 at 00:44:12:
- I recall some time back that Daisy had a target style rifle listed in their product lineup that wasn't shipping. I *think* it was the 753 - is the 753 available now?
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- Are there any differences between the 753 and the 853 except for the price, the sights and the shape of the stocks? - Slug
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In Reply to: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Jeff on August 28, 2000 at 20:26:17:
A friend of mine got one for his .22LR firearm. It took about 4 months. No hassle getting one you do have to pay a $200 tax and complete BATF forms. The forms also have to be signed off by local police stating they are no State or local laws prohibiting possesion. Then send in money and forms and wait. This process must be done first. If some reason does not go through the dealer will not supply the device and refunds your money. The same process is used for full auto weapons purchase.
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In Reply to: Pogo pays a visit (and almost made his own post here!) posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 00:17:07:
On pleasant spring nights I have been known to leave the outside door on the ham shack open (amateur radio is a big hobby here) while playing with the radios. Twice a big old raccoon has wandered in. The first time it hissed at me and ran back out. The second time it saw me and ran into the adjacent bedroom. Fortunately I had the door into the rest of the house shut so it hid under the bed. No amount of banging on the bed would make it come out. I eventually put some food just outside the door and went back to the radios. In about a half hour the racoon ran back outside.
I still leave the door open sometimes......
Mike in Indy
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In Reply to: Re: What makes these pellets premeire posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 23:59:23:
Thanks
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In Reply to: Pogo pays a visit (and almost made his own post here!) posted by RBest on August 29, 2000 at 00:17:07:
Now, you've got to get the skeeter spray back and spray the house. Yeah, and eat lots of garlic. SSlick
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In Reply to: Re: RX 1 posted by Larz on August 28, 2000 at 13:38:53:
I've found mine(.20) likes Beeman Kodiaks. RB
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In Reply to: Re: What makes these pellets premeire posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 23:59:23:
THANKS,Till i got onto this site i never realsed how much of a newbie i was to the air rifle feild.
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In Reply to: What's everyone's thoughts on the Chinese XS-B18 air rifle in .177? posted by Cry Havok on August 28, 2000 at 18:24:44:
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In Reply to: Re: Try these guys...... too expensive posted by AIRPOWER on August 28, 2000 at 21:37:29:
The screw cutting will limit your choices.
For some reason you do not see too many of the imported mini-lathes for sale. A Taig is a nice mini lathe but I can't remember if if cuts screws or has an attachment as an option. Taig is around $245 IIRC.
You can try Meridian Machinery home page. He specializes in used metalworking equipment mainly for hobby use. Link is below,I have dealt with him and can recommed him.
Art
In Reply to: Russ, you may know this, but... posted by John Sa. on August 28, 2000 at 22:14:40:
All the floppy drives I've owned only have the eject button and the light. I normally us a pair of tweezers and pull it out. Usually this is caused by a label that is too thick. SSlick
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In Reply to: Re: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by Driskill on August 28, 2000 at 22:59:46:
Mike: thanks for the added info. You know, I almost wrote Meteor for the action rather than Cadet, but could find no reference- even though I know that I read it somewhere. Thanks again. Russ
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Any one ever hear of this gun?
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In Reply to: For $3000 I could by a sniper rifle in .308. posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 22:38:12:
Sure- and I could assemble one hell of a 50 BMG! But- can you shoot it from the back porch without being locked up afterwards? RB
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I just (rather unceremoniously) ejected a possum from my house ! My first thought was to grab the RX-1, but being only 3 feet away, it might have gotten messy, so I decided not to waste his butt on the spot. Apparently, my son had left the back door open after grabbing the mosquito repellant for he and his friends, who were out back. Ol' pogo was lurking around the corner and decided to walk in and make himself at home. Making it as close as ten feet from where I know sit! I saw some movement out of the corner of my eye, but just dismissed it as being my cat. Then he knocked over a box full of styrofoam packing peanuts, and as I turned to yell at the 'cat', I see a possum hissin' at me ! Aw-Jeez, here we go. Which gun do I grab? The Saver? the RX-1?(decisions decisions). What I finally opted for was a 3 foot pipe clamp. I hooked it under his gut and ran for the door, flinging him out into the dark- not 3 feet from the cat. (who did NOT appreciate it, and said so!). Well, Pogo scuttled off one way, and the cat tore into woods. Just another fun evening at the Best house. :>) Russ
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In Reply to: silencers/DayState posted by Charles H on August 28, 2000 at 23:58:49:
I am sorry that you may have wasted your money. You could try to send it a airsmith and have him remove the DRD.
It has been posted before that you should check you state game laws before using an airgun or DRD device. Also county & local laws also may restrict airgun use. In a lot of states you cannot even hunt with an airgun. Other states only unprotected or pest species may be hunted.
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In Reply to: RX 1 posted by Dave on August 28, 2000 at 13:22:53:
Based on my experience, the Crosman Premiers are usually the most accurate, so be sure to include these in your sampling. If you find something more accurate, pls to sure to post your results for us. Thanks.
Tom Jue/ca/usa
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In Reply to: St. Paul airgunshow; any thing good there?? posted by bing on August 28, 2000 at 21:33:47:
It was my first airgun show, so I have nothing to compare it to... but...
There were quite a few dealers, and lots of nice airguns to look at and covet. The turnout by the public was pretty poor, however. Ingvar Alm had a display of very fancy british field target guns and a neat bb gattling type gun. There was also a display of nice early Crosmans by Steve Gunderson from Iowa, including the first model (made in 1923 I believe) -- beautifully restored. He also had a cool peep-sighted carbine he'd created from a Crosman 111 pistol.
A Sheridan "A" Supergrade exchanged hands, and there was a model "B" to look at. I bought a Hi Score bb and .177 pellet rifle just because it was so pretty... now I have no idea what to do with it (the dangers of attending airgun shows).
Dennis Quackenbush from Missouri was there with some of his unique creations. Dave Schwesinger came all the way from NY with mostly Careers and other Koreans guns for sale. Ted Osborn who knows about everything there is to know about Sheridans also drove from NY. All in all, it was great fun... I hope next year more people join in.
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In Reply to: You can remove the brush posted by Steve on August 28, 2000 at 22:36:47:
cool! RB
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In Reply to: silencers/DayState posted by Charles H on August 28, 2000 at 23:58:49:
Charles: I said "to the best of my knowledge", which may be flawed. It's best to check with your Fish and Game or Dept. of Natural Resources people on this one. RB
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In Reply to: Just curious: What's the most expensive airgun you've seen? posted by Flak on August 28, 2000 at 20:19:12:
The PSG-1 is a sniper rifle in .308 that anti-terrorist groups around the world carry (if the funds are available). Made in Germany to pin-point accuracy/ most accurate gun in the world. And if someone stole this baby from you it'd be like having your car stolen out of a parking lot.
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In Reply to: Re: What makes these pellets premeire posted by Greg S on August 28, 2000 at 23:11:43:
Greg: Premiers are different in that the box of pellets all come from one specific die in the machine, which greatly enhances consistency from pellet to pellet. The rest of Crosman made pellets come from numerous dies, all mixed together. All of Crosmans dies are carefully made, but it's damn near impossible to make two identical dies (identical in EVERY way), so there are slight variations from pellet to pellet. Obviously, because there is a lower production rate with Premiers , cost is a bit higher per pellet. Regards, Russ
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I just read an earlier post that said noone can hunt anywhere in the U.S. with a silencer. That stinks because I bought the DayState PH6 Delexe with the Deluxe silencer on it specifically for hunting Rabbit and squirrel. Well. I"ll have to sell it or trade it.
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In Reply to: Re: turn the target upside down? - no that doesn't work, the gun posted by tr on August 28, 2000 at 16:05:33:
Lets say I take a shot at 30 feet and the pellet drops 2 inches and the sights are a 1/2inch above the the centerline of the bore. How do I figure out the time it took? do I multiply or divide or what? Also do I have to fire the gun upside down?
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In Reply to: Gamo 890: posted by Bw on August 28, 2000 at 22:19:46:
I had a .22 Gamo 880S (the 890S is pretty much the same thing, just newer model) about 3 years ago. It did a great job of taking vermin out of my yard & gardens. The only problems are in the workmanship. The trigger pull goes on forever & can't really be adjusted. The spring is very twangy & the optics in the BSA scope are not the greatest, but they will both do. If you have a problem with a Gamo airgun (I didn't) then you have to send it back to the distributor in Florida - parts are not available to owners or repair folks. The overall quality leaves something to be desired. For about the same money or a little more, you can get a better airgun elsewhere. You might look at the demo & blemish RWS & Beemans at the Airgun Express website if you want a pretty good bargain. Hope this helps! Have a good one!
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In Reply to: Local Cops... posted by John Sa. on August 28, 2000 at 22:08:26:
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In Reply to: Lack of air gun reviews on the internet posted by TK on August 28, 2000 at 17:09:11:
In Reply to: Local Cops... posted by John Sa. on August 28, 2000 at 22:08:26:
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In Reply to: How can I measure the speed of my pellet when its fired? posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 04:41:40:
blah blah blah
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In Reply to: Re: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder posted by Cody Dotter on August 28, 2000 at 09:39:46:
so will you be relentless in your pursuit for the whole year? I think you are wise to amass the necessary fortune in cash/green/cabbage/coin. I spend plastic! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! Off to order my SLR-98!
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In Reply to: Haenel MOD.II D.R.P. 4.5mm (.177)Cal. air-rifle posted by jim on August 28, 2000 at 22:50:46:
Pre-WWII, made by Haenel in Suhl, eastern Germany (hope you already know they were a major firearms mfr)- two versions: earlier had a 'quarter-stock', later 30's a modern stock with forend, typically walnut. As you can see, very well made from solid metal. Not hi-power by today's stds, rather accurate. Some were rifled, some smooth.
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In Reply to: Crosman 2289 @ 20 yards...accuracy and power posted by Relbik on August 28, 2000 at 19:58:02:
I have had a Crosman 2289 for almost 2 years. It is not loud at all. As for hitting quarters @ 20 yards, ive never tried that before, though i havent had any problems knocking over pop cans at that distance and then some. The open sights that come with the gun are a bit blocky and the trigger is a little stiff. The rear sight is close to the shooters eye causing the sight to blur, so it is hard to aim at small objects. I would recomend a scope for the gun (you will need clamp scope mounts)As for power, I dont hunt but I once took a shot at an old weather vain (those metal roosters on top of roofs that tell wich direction the wind is coming from) it was @25 yards, the shot had enough power to bend the vain over and leave a big dent in the metal. If you live in the States I would recomend a more powerful gun for hunting. Since the 2289 is a multi-pump it can be a pain to keep on pumping over and over. The Co2 version of this gun(2250....i think) would remedy that problem. Co2 can be a pain to keep buying though. Also the break apart feature (stock seperates from the rest of the gun) comes in handy for traveling, pistol grips are included allowing for a conversion to a pistol. All in all I find this to be a reliable air gun and i am sure it can hit small targets at 20 yards with a little practice and the right ammo.
Hope that helped, any further questions just e-mail me
Tyler
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In Reply to: Which crosmen pellet?? posted by Greg S on August 28, 2000 at 21:36:13:
I livein ontario canada and i think there redely avalable,do they have a good impact force.
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In Reply to: P1-HW45 .177 Cal. in Canada posted by Pete on August 28, 2000 at 00:41:44:
Whew! Thanks for all the input, guys. I guess I won't be modifying my HW45 anytime soon. Sorry if I put out erronious information, I really was trying to help. However, even though I probably know the answer, I have an inquiry into the Firearms Center asking them to clarify the matter. Will let you know what happens.
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In Reply to: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 19:44:33:
Good show, Russ!! I'm really hoping that Edith will save these to the Reference Library, it would save a lot of time on future newbie questions and be a valuable resource for all.
Believe it or not, I am sitting here with Hiller's book in my hot little hand, and it has a very short and not-too-informative writeup.
Walter's "The Airgun Book" 1st ed. is more helpful, noting that the Scorpion appeared on the market in 1977; it survived well into the 90's. The action is basically a cut-down Meteor. The book also has a nice exploded diagram of the gun.
The Scorpion got a little-known second lease on life in the form of the BSA Buccaneer. This was a Scorpion action with a longer barrel, mounted in a molded plastic thumbhole stock. I'm not sure it was ever regularly imported here, but it sold well for a time in the power-restricted European markets and is a pretty cool-looking little carbine.
My fellow Knoxville airgun nut Lance Bernard has a minty Scorpion that he bought new many moons ago. The trigger is a two-stage striker-type mechanism not unlike the P1, and can be adjusted to a very crisp pull. It was designed especially for the Scorpion and not shared with any other BSA gun. We've never had any trouble hitting what we aim at with this hogleg, and it hits with some real authority! I don't have his chrono work handy, but it shoots only a whisper slower than his P1.
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In Reply to: Day's Highlight posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 20:03:52:
It fills little holes. I'm not here steady, just in and out, if there a hole in my schedule I log in. It's always good to get anwsers to questions I haven't thought of yet.
The ground squirrels are mostly gone for the year. The rats are too small and fast to hit right now so till they get bigger tins cans at 30 yds is it. But they getting bigger...
regards - Steve B.
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Can anyone give me information about an air-rifle I just purchased.
{Haenel MOD.II D.R.P. 4.5mm (.177)Cal. air-rifle} I think it might be a German made gun but I am not sure.
I would like to know when and where it was manufactured as well as any known specs.
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In Reply to: Re: Just curious: What's the most expensive airgun you've seen? posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 21:22:19:
I think Remington sells thier M700P for under that price(correct me if im wrong)Someone would REALLY have to be into airguns to spend that much, talk about devotion to the sport or what.
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In Reply to: Re: Time for a new scope posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 19:37:57:
Chasm
I have put tape on the scope, but you seem to have missed a point I made. The rangefinder will change. So even if I put tape with the real ranges on it, when I turn the focus around it will never have the same reading when i bring it back in focus; its inconsistant
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In Reply to: Re: BoreSnakes and Airguns posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 21:09:04:
Just bunch up the cord around the brush till you work it loose. Then open up a hole in the weave and pull it out.
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In Reply to: Day's Highlight posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 20:03:52:
Well at the present time it is difficult to get out due to the extreme heat here in north texas, eh chasm,
, so the best way I can think to be gunnin is right here at the forum . This forum has been very helpful
in a vast amount of ways .. thanks to all..
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Do anybody have any problems with a gamo 890??Are they ok?It has a nice scope.
Thanks BW
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In Reply to: Re: Just got back from Springfeild Armory.. posted by Steve on August 27, 2000 at 23:45:55:
I quote Springfield's most notorious resident, Bart Simpson, "Don't have a cow man." This isn't a forum on gramar, composition, or spelling so just RELAX. You understood what he was saying didn't you? If not, it's your problem.
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In Reply to: slight technical problem starting " Collectors Corner " posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 00:26:35:
Straighten out a paperclip and stick it into the small hole (a little larger than a pinhole) near the opening for your floppy drive.
There'll be some resistance, push past it and the floppy should eject.
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by BSJ on August 28, 2000 at 21:00:44:
The police are not a reliable source of general legal information. I have personally received legal advice which was absolutely incorrect from cops who were personal friends.
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In Reply to: Vidas, check your textbooks. There is no such thing as a liberal socialist. (nt) posted by peter huppertz on August 28, 2000 at 12:40:17:
The phrase used, "liberal socialists" is not a noun.
"socialists" is the noun, modified by the adjective "liberal"
Or are you saying that socialists aren't liberal? Here in USA, "liberal" has come to mean "politically left of center", and many of the more liberal politicians are favoring socialist policies that would have gotten them brought up on charges of being communists a few decades ago.
In Reply to: Crosman Premiers = Dirty Bores II ? posted by Joe G. on August 28, 2000 at 21:01:13:
You should clean the bore when your groups go to pot. No need to do it before that point. Premiers DO tend to lead up choked bores, if moving at a good rate of speed. RB
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Hi all,
I have just finished putting my QB-78/22 back together again, and what a good deal of improvement! I finally got the trigger smoothed out and functioning perfectly. No idea how heavy it is, but it is pretty light. What a wonderful trigger on such an inexpensive rifle. The pellets are no longer catching on the bolt closing. Nice smooth action all the way around. Borrowed a 4x scope with AO from a friend to try out. Mounted everything snug, including the barrel band. With a little Brownells Acraglas bedding, I was able to get it to keep from flexing so much. Now it maintains poi. Just got done shooting in my basement at 13 yards. After the first three shots, I never see another new mark on the paper. Keeps going into the same small hole. Around .2" on all groups. Ten shots, twenty shots, didn't matter, everything in the same hole. I can't wait to test some longer distances later this week. All groups are c-t-c approximations. No gauge to get an exactly accurate reading. I've been using RWS Hobby's and Crosman Premiers. I tried some others and it really didn't seem to matter, everything hits that little hole. A higher power scope and 25 to 30 yards will tell more, but you are listening to one very happy QB-78 owner. I hope I can get the .177 I have to function this well. Good shooting guys, I'm having a ball. Thanks for all the help, Bill
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In Reply to: Re: Try these guys...... too expensive posted by AIRPOWER on August 28, 2000 at 21:37:29:
Bob, I agree they are expensive, but if you want threading capabilities, it's either that or an older American. I have a 30 yr old Atlas, (at least) and love it. Be prepared to spend a grand plus for a decent piece of American iron.... Good Luck, Mike
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In Reply to: Re: I understand why Peter's sitting on that thing! posted by Uncle Gary on August 28, 2000 at 21:47:28:
Yup- nothing like the odd root poking at unmentionables or a stone lodged against your coccyx bone ! I use a camo 4" thick boaters cushion for my tender tushy. :<) Russ
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In Reply to: 392 posted by José M on August 28, 2000 at 21:33:50:
The 392 is a damn fine, accurate hunting rifle, if you don't mind pumping.
-john-
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In Reply to: Day's Highlight posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 20:03:52:
I (as most involved with this forum) would rather be outside with our rifles than inside with our boxes. But If I have to be inside.....well yeah this is probably the best of my day outside of conjugal(sp?) visits.
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In Reply to: Which crosmen pellet?? posted by Greg S on August 28, 2000 at 21:36:13:
The premier would be most accurate.
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In Reply to: Re: Time for a new scope posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 19:47:29:
[GRIN!] Just kiddin, just kiddin! Sorry, I couldn't resist! Regards,
Gary
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In Reply to: Re: P1-HW45 .177 Cal. in Canada posted by Mikey on August 28, 2000 at 09:50:02:
PAL for crossbows?
Could be worse. I've heard that "Any device, tubular in nature, through which breath may freely pass, is a prohibited device>"
I take that to mean blowguns, household plumbing, drinking straws, and trachea are under more restrictive control than Glocks in Canada?
If your windpipe is a prohibited device, does that mean somebody will cut it out and confiscate it?
In Reply to: Re: Time for an old favorite posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 18:29:28:
When I shot in the last FT match at Oak Ridge, I poked a bit of fun at the fellows who were using large round cushions (max. allowable height = 6") to sit on. My mistake - I soon found out why! All the target lanes were back in the woods, and after about the 6th lane I was very uncomfortable sitting on the ground, to say the least! By the 10th lane I was having difficulty just getting up and down, so when I attend again I'll have a cushion also, believe that! Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: no need for Ebay. $10-15 is retail on pricewatch posted by M Boyle on August 28, 2000 at 15:53:34:
I'm betting $10 plus $10 shipping/handling on Pricewatch.
I paid $6 plus $4.50 S/H, bought on Sunday had it Tuesday. (Seller lives about 100 miles away and I used electronic payment)
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In Reply to: Try these guys...... posted by Simon Slick on August 28, 2000 at 21:33:26:
Thanks
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In Reply to: .20 HN Match in Sheridan? posted by Patrick on August 28, 2000 at 11:22:24:
At 10 m. with 2 or 3 pumps they will group o.k., 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch. Pump up more than that, and both of my blue streaks throw them all over the place.
With premiers and 8 pumps, both will group 1/2 inch at 10 m.
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Which of the crosmen pellets would be good for light hunting,,pest control.My rifle shoots 630/fps,would it be pointed,dome,premiere etc....
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Hi,
I want to know if the Benjamin 392 is a good hunting rifle,
max range with 14.3 gr pellets??, how accurate it is?, etc. Thx in advance.
Regards.
José M
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Lets have a review. I really wanted to be there.
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In Reply to: any one have a mini-lathe to sell or trade?????? posted by AIRPOWER on August 28, 2000 at 21:04:36:
It's a new lathe (7x12) but, they're having a summer sale now. URL below. SSlick
In Reply to: Re: Day's Highlight posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 20:07:36:
Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: RWS Scope Screws posted by Whiteleather on August 28, 2000 at 15:59:01:
Some of those scopes were sold by Simmons to RWS. You might want to try contacting Simmons in Georgia. (Or even RWS in Closter, NJ. for info.)
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In Reply to: Re: Just curious: What's the most expensive airgun you've seen? posted by john from NY on August 28, 2000 at 20:21:29:
I've seen a full set up for Whiscombe, including multiple barrels and transfer port bushings that was over $3000. I've also seen some of Gary Barnes 'work that would equal or exceed that amount. And I'm only talking airguns here--- firearms are another story ! RB
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In Reply to: Re: BoreSnakes and Airguns posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 21:09:04:
nt
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In Reply to: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Jeff on August 28, 2000 at 20:26:17:
Brian is correct. You must first fill out a BATF form and submit it for approval- BEFORE purchasing such a device. AFTER you are approved and have paid the $200 tax, you're OK---- IF they are legal in your area. Some areas have a total ban on them, which overrides federal law. To the best of my knowledge, hunting with one in the US is forbidden. Each device must have it's own stamp, and the $200 tax is a one time deal. In fact, you can pass it down to family members in a will. RB
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In Reply to: BoreSnakes and Airguns posted by Mike G on August 28, 2000 at 20:56:02:
I'd avoid that brush. Now a Boresnake with a NYLON brush would be good! RB
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4"to7" swing 6"-12" between centers
Thread cutting a must. tail stock / head stock min. Morse Taper 0 max.3
Bob
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Got some response with this question last week, looking for some more feedback. How bad (true?) is the situation. Will cleaning the pellets (how?) make a difference. Coming from 10 meter pistols with match pellets bore cleaning is not something I look to do unless there is a problem. Just started with FT and rifle silhouette and am trying the Premiers for the first time. If it is a problem, how often and how should the bore be maintained? Thanks for any thoughts.
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In Reply to: Re: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Zeke G. on August 28, 2000 at 20:37:35:
Don't call the local cops. They don't know crap.
They are legal if you jump through the right hoops. Except in some locals and or States. The propulsion source is irrelevant. The BATF has jurisdiction over the device itself, regardless of what it's mounted on.
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Are BoreSnakes with the bronze brush built in ok to use on fine airguns?
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In Reply to: Day's Highlight posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 20:03:52:
Not the highlight But you can gain a lot of knowledge
by reading what other airgunners have to say
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In Reply to: words of wisdom posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 20:05:27:
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In Reply to: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 19:44:33:
Thanks Russ, looking forward to future Collector's Corner postings, good idea. Checking my Hiller's there is not a lot of additional info. Introduced in early 1974 there were also smoothbore versions available in the beginning. He gives advertised velocities @ 510 for .177 and 380 for .22. With the cocking aid left in place overall length was 18 inches. It did have an automatic safety.
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In Reply to: Day's Highlight posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 20:03:52:
Well Chasm,
I usually read on an every other day basis. I rarely post. But tonight I've finished my school work and am lurking more than often. My main reason for being here and at anything goes, is to learn more about airguns. I've gained so much knowledge, I'll be custom building airrifles and pistols in the near future......... well, maybe not. But I enjoy reading about them and more shooting them.
Zeke
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In Reply to: Collectors Corner---- The BSA Scorpion pistol posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 19:44:33:
on the scorpion wasn't the advertised fps at 510 for 177 and 380 for the 22.
Introduced in 1974 the earlier versions were not groved for a scope. Also smooth bore barrels wer available in the beginning.
Looks cool with the cocking aid left on, but was prone to be lost.
was very picky about pellets used as the bore is a little under sized. Shot eley's very well.
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In Reply to: Day's Highlight posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 20:03:52:
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In Reply to: Re: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 13:33:04:
I remember seeing an article on a contest called the Keneyathlon once. If I remember correctly, they used hunting rifles(firearms) in hunting situations. Climbing hills and mountains to find their targets. Seemed like a cross between the biathalon and field target using high powered centerfire rifles at long range. If I remember correctly. Bill
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In Reply to: anyone got a sticker for a moderator? posted by Jeff on August 28, 2000 at 20:26:17:
Jeff,
I was under the impression that these things were illegal everywhere. I called my local police department and they told me if it's main source of propulsion is gunpowder, it's illegal to quiet them down. But, if it's not, air in this case, you can quiet it down as much as you want. I'm in south TX and I seriously doubt your laws are the same as ours, so call your police dept. and ask them. Maybe you don't need a permit.
Zeke
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In Reply to: P1-HW45 .177 Cal. in Canada posted by Pete on August 28, 2000 at 00:41:44:
Check out my site before you order anything from the states.
In Reply to: P1-HW45 .177 Cal. in Canada posted by Pete on August 28, 2000 at 00:41:44:
Check out my site before you order anything from the states.
In Reply to: 1798 LASERHAWK COMPETITION AIR RIFLE posted by Niall on August 28, 2000 at 02:04:13:
I just bought one for my son to practice 3pos shooting with until I think he is ready for the avanti 753. It seems to be really accurate for a $40.00 gun. I posted before to someone who asked about it. I removed the laser fiber optic thing from the front sight. It is not easy to get out, but if you are careful you can get it out without breaking the loops that hold it. This will leave you with two loops that are just about perfect for the front diopter. I just broke of the rearward one and filed down the plastic where it stood.
This is a much better sight system than the fiber optic plastic piece of crap. I also put a small screw thru the rear sight and down into the back of the reciever that allows slight adjustment of the elevation by bending the sight mount upward , it also makes the rear sight more stable.
I have been using the crossman premiers in it because the 3pos shooters in sporter class seem to be using dome pellets. However it seems to shoot just as well with the cheapo copperhead wadcutters. It is not easy to benchrest this gun. Even though it only shoots around 450fps. It just jumps all over on the bag. Shoots real good in your hands though. I have not experienced any malfunctions at all.
By the way, the trigger has a LLLOOOONNNNGGGG travel and has plenty of creep in it. But waddya expect for $40.00. I have tried to get it apart to try to monkey with the trigger, but I could not figure out how to get the breabarrel pivot screw out. It just keeps turning. If you can figure it out or anyone else, please let me know. If you have any more questions, e-mail me and well talk.
Happy airgunning...
Little Pete
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Has anyone on this forum gotten a lic./sticker from BATF for a moderator? What is the process? Is thiere a lot of hassels for airguns? Just courious?
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In Reply to: Re: Lack of air gun reviews on the internet posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 20:17:43:
That is a real heartbreaking trajedy.Guess I better get off this woodburner then so I can go shoot my new gun then I can write my own review.
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In Reply to: Just curious: What's the most expensive airgun you've seen? posted by Flak on August 28, 2000 at 20:19:12:
Go below to the post about the Anschutz.
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In Reply to: I have the Supersport nt. posted by DAN on August 28, 2000 at 17:59:42:
It would be an OK gun, but it's kind of a step down.
-john
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I once saw a rifle (not airgun) which cost almost $14,000 canadian (plus %15 tax)
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In Reply to: Re: Lack of air gun reviews on the internet posted by JRW on August 28, 2000 at 20:12:37:
I have some on file, but they are on diskette, and my A drive is messed up (happened yesterday). Sadly, I haven't saved all the ones I've done. Russ
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In Reply to: Ripley Hunting Rifles posted by Lloyd/uk on August 28, 2000 at 19:36:35:
I think Craig Swinson is due to get a 25 shot model this week. Perhaps he'll post about when it comes in. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Sorry, Russ and Mike posted by Mike Pearson on August 28, 2000 at 08:09:34:
I'm just glad you didn't say -putrefaction !:>P
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In Reply to: Re: Lack of air gun reviews on the internet posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 19:56:12:
I have a woodburning computer and downloading the archived files for this forum would take somewhere in the order of about three years or until the boiler blows,whichever comes first.I could have bought a new computer but then I wouldn't have my new M54.How about if you save your reviews to a file and then repost them here every once in a while.I for one would be very appreciative of such a favor.
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In Reply to: Lack of air gun reviews on the internet posted by TK on August 28, 2000 at 17:09:11:
True,
There are some reviews by clicking on top of this page.the url is http://www.airgunletter.net/forum/forumref.html
There are also some reviews on American Airguns page. The url is http://www.airguns.net/reviews.html
Also some on Straight Shooters page the URL is http://www.straightshooters.com/genmenus/ourtake.html
If anyone has more please list them.
Art
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In Reply to: Re: slight technical problem starting " Collectors Corner " posted by arlin on August 28, 2000 at 03:50:45:
it's selective fire with no postive extractor. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Mighty fine words they are Russ.n/t. posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 20:08:44:
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In Reply to: Mighty fine words they are Russ.n/t. posted by Whitewolf on August 28, 2000 at 20:07:25:
LOL. I lied, It wasn't Confucious. ( I made it up). Russ
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In Reply to: Day's Highlight posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 20:03:52:
sometimes yes, sometimes no (especially if Martha's around- heh heh). Russ
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In Reply to: words of wisdom posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 20:05:27:
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In Reply to: Re: BEC pellet rifle.... posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 19:58:46:
Zeke: my words of wisdom for these guns are" If you don't expect much, you'll be pleasantly surprised. If you expect too much, you'll be disappointed". Confucious
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Fellow Airgunners,
My question is profound. I'll appreciate your candor if you feel you can offer it. Question is, "Is the time you spend on this forum the highlight of your day?" I realize that this is a provocative question, especially if one has significant others monitoring these proceedings. My hunch is that for a significant bunch of airgunners, the answer is yes. I'll understand if some are reluctant to respond. TIA
chasm
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In Reply to: BEC pellet rifle.... posted by Zeke G. on August 28, 2000 at 19:51:55:
Zeke: looks like the same gun to me except for the buttpad ! Both chinese. Sportmans Guide has 'em for $79 in their Shooters catalog. RB
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Thanks so much for the responses to my first post here. It helped alot.
I know hope for info regarding the Crosman 2289.
I need a gun that will consistently hit a Quarter at 20 yards (My father is ex-mil and in law enforcement and won't except anything less.
It also must have enough power to take down rodents at this range.
The 2289 seems to fit. Is it loud???
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In Reply to: Lack of air gun reviews on the internet posted by TK on August 28, 2000 at 17:09:11:
I've written several airgun reviews and posted them here, but cannot tell you the dates they appeared. Most of what has appeared here is available- archived. I also have other reviews 'in the can', and a review or two of BSA guns on the BSA Owners Club site.
The problem with a "proper review" is that it's very time consumimg. The gun has to be studied and fired for groups (with MANY pellets sometimes, in order to find what is grouping the best). Stats have to be worked up, etc. etc. etc. People can be critical of a review if you make mistakes or leave out important (to them) info.
Comparison reviews take even longer because you have to get to know several airguns and remain as impartial as possible< and even after those efforts- there will be MORE critics ! Regards, Russ
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Who makes the bec .177 air rifle? I saw it today in the sg catalog. Also, what's the difference between a b-18 & b-19? I'm taking RB's idea on buying a cheapie as a guest gun.
TIA
Zeke
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In Reply to: Re: Time for a new scope posted by chasm on August 28, 2000 at 19:37:57:
Andrew,
If I've committed a faux pas and have ruined your justification for the need to acquire a new scope, I apologize. Wasn't thinking. We band of brothers need to stick tohgether.
chasm
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In Reply to: $$$ Anschutz posted by Cody Dotter on August 28, 2000 at 18:06:46:
and goes up from there depending on the options you want. Knee rest, thigh shelf, palm grip, forend weight, etc. I believe mine ran about $3,200 with the extras I got. Damm fine gun though. You still can't go wrong with a good Daystate though. My CR94 has been rock solid for 4 years and is still going strong.
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vol 1 #1
This is one airgun I've never had much info on, so this is primarily based on an old Beeman catalog write-up.
The BSA Scorpion was largely known for it's high velocity. The original design Scorpion got the british gov't. into a snit over it's power level, and BSA was forced to market a tamed down version. The action was based on a cut down BSA rifle (the Cadet?)and the cocking effort was rather highm so BSA provided a cocking sleeve that extended the barrel to reduce effort. Without the sleeve in place, the gun measured nearly 16" long with a 7.8" barrel. The original velocity is known to only a few, but the marketed gun was said to shoot at 525 fps(much the same as todays Rutten Winstar 550).
The Scorpion was also a heavy pistol, weighing in at 3 lbs.6 oz. Accuracy at 10m was just under 1/2", probably due to its recoil and trigger, as BSA barrels are generally quite good. The trigger was adjustable, and set at around 5 lbs at the factory. Cocking effort was listed as 35 lbs when the cocking aid was used ! Rear sight was a V notch, and was adjustable; and the gun had an automatic safety, accessible by the right thumb.
Included with the gun was an adjustment wrench, front sight hood and a cocking aid.
If anyone has additional info on this gun, please add it to this subject, as it would be nice to put lots of info into the Collectors Corner pieces. I wish I had Hillers Air Pistols right now (one of the few airgun bokks I lack). Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Time for a new scope posted by Andrew on August 28, 2000 at 13:14:43:
Andrew,
To quote your post, "image quality is great", "range finder and zoom ringes (sic) are all smooth", "but that's all this scope is good for". You have in your hand IMHO a scope that delivers just about all that one could hope for in a scope. As to the range finding, you have two choices, either send it back to Bushnell ( will cost you ten bucks, unless you live in California, in which case it won't cost you anything), or calibrate the AO ring with a stick on tape of some sort. I have the same scope on my R1 Laser MK III and just shot some incredible one hole groups with it in order to solidify my thoughts for this post. BTW, I paid $113 for mine delivered from D&R about a year ago. I plan to buy some of Marty's scopes in the near future for additional air rifles, but by no means plan to discard my Banner similar to the one that you own. HTH
chasm
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Hi
I've been stranded on a Greek Island for the past 6weeks so please ignore my ignorance - I've come back to find the info at the URL below.
Does anyone have any other info on the background to these guns? They look interesting.
Lloyd
In Reply to: Gamo rifles? posted by DAN on August 28, 2000 at 13:05:20:
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In Reply to: How can I measure the speed of my pellet when its fired? posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 04:41:40:
What you need is a chronograph. This has become a rather
inexpensive piece of electronic gear (relatively speaking).
The Shooting Chrony (Trademark) is a popular unit, and is
certainly among the more affordable units. They are available
from Cabelas. Cost is around $100.00.
www.cabelas.com
Charlie
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In Reply to: Re: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder posted by peter huppertz on August 28, 2000 at 18:44:38:
Ohhh. There's one problem, the farmers 'round here don't farm food. They only have cows and other animals. I have a neighbor who owns a farm but there's only animals there. If I could get a job with good pay I would work. But I'm only 11. <;o(
SeeYa,
-Cody Dotter-
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In Reply to: Start counting at around $3000, and then you're on the waiting list. (nt) posted by peter huppertz on August 28, 2000 at 18:35:49:
UMMM... HOLY ****! THAT'S ALOT OF MONEY!!! They must be awesome for around $3000. They look KILLER. So they must perform awesome. <;o)
SeeYa,
-Cody Dotter-
PS: School starts Aug. 29. So I won't be posting as much.
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In Reply to: Re: Question for you mock-automatic CO2 pistol guys.... posted by trevor on August 26, 2000 at 07:52:29:
What this is, is a 9mm Makarov, which are in plentiful supply, with the magazine converted to the CO2/ammo carrier. The barrel has a .177 insert. Very cool
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In Reply to: Large Bore Air Rifles posted by Robert on August 28, 2000 at 18:00:20:
Check it out at
www.airpower.welcomeyou.com
BOB
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In Reply to: Re: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder posted by Cody Dotter on August 28, 2000 at 18:13:39:
That wasn't what I was referring to -- I have no control over the forum. I was just referring to your abilities and dedication to be put into finding some money in agricultural work!
Surely during the harvest season the farmers must be looking out for workers?
peter
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In Reply to: Diana Model 23 Air Rifle. Need Info and would like to sell !!!!! posted by Bob on August 28, 2000 at 12:18:35:
Bob: I have one myself, made in '71. I think yours SHOULD say 11-73. These are somewhat hard to find airguns, and are excellent trainers for kids. Parts are available if needed. These have leather seals, so a couple drops of silicone chamber lube (although straight 30W motor oil works in these too)would keep the power up to snuff (drop the oil into the hole called the transfer port- behind the breech area.
Because these are not often seen, a perfect one COULD fetch almost $150, but yours is more likely worth about half that. That's still not bad, because I paid $15 for mine in Germany- Brand NEW in '71 !
Velocity should be around 500 fps, depending on the pellet being used, and is adequate for birdfeeder patrol if the feeder is within 25 yards. Accuracy is superior to most american pellet guns. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Time for an old favorite posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 18:29:28:
It's a pallet indeed. The reason why the organisation put them out was because in the previous year, the shooting ground was (literally) soaked in rain during a torrential downpour.
As you would have guessed, putting the pallets out catered for two days of contiguous sunshine and near-tropic temperatures in early May. It's like bringing an umbrella with you -- one surefire way of making sure it won't rain. ;-)
cheers,
peter
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In Reply to: Lack of air gun reviews on the internet posted by TK on August 28, 2000 at 17:09:11:
Volunteer effort is not always easy to generate - many folks'd rather be tinkering, shooting, or restoring airguns than reviewing them for others to read about...
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In Reply to: Lack of air gun reviews on the internet posted by TK on August 28, 2000 at 17:09:11:
There are plenty of airgun "reviews", but you have to search for them. I am shopping the RWS 54, and found that one of our own posters (Roland) has an awesome RWS 54 webpage.
Roland does not do a review per se, but gives some experiences with the gun and the mods available.
Shooters covers pellet velocity of damn near every pellet at several distances shot from the 54 (and many other guns).
By putting together the different pieces of information, I have found a "review" of the gun I am looking at.
What you're REALLY looking for is a COMPARISON review, right? How does (in my case) the RWS 54 in .22 compare to other springers of the same caliber in an all-day hunt situation? Compare longevity of the gun's innards to another. Is the recoilless system really worth the extra money, and possible mechanical problems. Etc.
So, as usual the airgun info is out there already. What we want is a spoon fed method of seeing it all together.
Kris
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In Reply to: Re: We would never sell it to you , but.... posted by Nol on August 28, 2000 at 18:14:31:
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In Reply to: Can I fill a Buddy Bottle with an axor pump posted by Waddle_TheFuzzyDuck on August 28, 2000 at 18:32:06:
Yup- that's what Axsors were built for. You most likely will need an adaptor. Price depends on the gun being used. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Hats off to the Americans at the FT World's 2000 posted by Jeff on August 28, 2000 at 18:09:03:
Ah, that must be Jeff Natterer, aka Airmonkey.
Our nationalist tendencies tend to be a lot less bothering, except for a couple Balkan regions that most everyone in Europe would rather steer clear of. ;-)
To address your question: the last time we had a problem with the Brits was longer ago than your Civil War. And we've never had a problem with the Norwegians (cheers Andy!).
And on the day (May 5, 2000) that the Dutch were celebrating the end of WWII, Team Holland and the British delegation were having a beer with the organisers of the German Open FT Championships in Leipzig. It seems that we've been able to settle matters since Adolf Hitler decided to kick his own bucket 55 years earlier.
Of course, all this doesn't count when there's some soccer championship ;-)
But I gather that that's the same situation as in the US during the Superbowl.
cheers,
peter
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In Reply to: What's everyone's thoughts on the Chinese XS-B18 air rifle in .177? posted by Cry Havok on August 28, 2000 at 18:24:44:
CHaLStDoW: t'aint bad for the money. My son uses mine for a 'Guest Gun" when he has a couple buddies over for a plinking session. RB
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In Reply to: Large Bore Air Rifles posted by Robert on August 28, 2000 at 18:00:20:
Just a few: Career 9mm; Quackenbush .375, several Phillipine models...
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I'm guessing i would need an adaptor?
how much would it cost?
Waddle
PS. How do you spell Axor?
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In Reply to: Time for an old favorite posted by peter huppertz on August 28, 2000 at 17:12:50:
Peter: what on earth (literally) are you sitting on? I've never seen a wooden pallet/carpet set=up before at an FT. Was the ground full of broken glass or fire ants or something? Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Lack of air gun reviews on the internet posted by TK on August 28, 2000 at 17:09:11:
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Hello everyone,
I'm looking for a new airgun that won't cost as much as an arm and a leg. I'm not too worried about the quality of the stock but I would like to get good groupings. I'm probably just going to use it for plinking in my backyard. Any comments would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Cry Havok (and let slip the dogs of war!)
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In Reply to: A question for Air Arms spring gun tuners? posted by FPoole on August 28, 2000 at 16:30:52:
FP: yes to both questions. Jim Maccari has made some seals that are supposed to be the best. I've made some out of medium durometer urethane(black) that seem to be doing well also. I think the factory superglues the seals on now, so you may have to mess with it a bit. A Pocket knife run along the seam may help. The superglue stinks IMO, and a better adhesive is one that remains slightly flexible after drying, rather than hard and brittle like superglue. Automotive Goop is worth trying, as it's tougher than RTV silicones. RB
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In Reply to: P1-HW45 .177 Cal. in Canada posted by Pete on August 28, 2000 at 00:41:44:
I was one of the people that has been passing on the information about air pistols over 500 fps. being a restricted weapon in Canada. If "any" gun throws a projectile at a velocity over 500 fps it will be considered a firearm in the eyes of the law.
Whether it is considered a "restricted weapon" is not all that clear. Barrel length and type of action is to be taken into account. Case in point; Winchester lever action Trapper in 44 Magnum caliber. I own one of these babies (legally) and the barrel length as listed and measured is 16". This is under the 18 or so inches required to call a gun a rifle. Why is this not a restricted weapon? Because of the lever-type action for loading. Then why is a Thompson single shot 44 Magnum break-action pistol restricted? Dunno, but it just is.
This is going to be a real issue at the end of 2002 when the registration of ALL guns in Canada is supposed to have finished. I have had trouble getting straight (and correct) answers from the Chief Firearms Office, and this is dealing with transportation of restricted weapons. Rules change, and they do so frequently. Depends on who you talk to and their interpretation of the laws. Sad, but true; we are all pawns in a game with no clearly defined rules. Sorry to pee on your parade, but I thought I would just give some Canadians some food for thought. Chin up. Sincerely, Brent.
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In Reply to: What's Golden Toller's site? (nt) posted by john from NY on August 28, 2000 at 18:06:11:
nt
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In Reply to: $$$ Anschutz posted by Cody Dotter on August 28, 2000 at 18:06:46:
Alot, so your right not to consider it!
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In Reply to: Re: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder posted by peter huppertz on August 28, 2000 at 17:41:18:
Do you mean I can get a job on the Airgun Forum and get $$$? Only one problem, I'm pretty sure my parents won't let get a job on the forum if I can get some $$$. I wish I can though. I like computers and airguns. So it won't be work it'll be FUN. ThanX. <;o)
SeeYa,
-Cody Dotter-
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I have one of these scopes and will be ordering a Beeman R-9 shortly. Will this be a good choice to mount on the R-9? Will it hold up ok? Also your take on the R-9 ( $ 229 Pomona Airguns) as a first time adult air rifle. Thanks.
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In Reply to: Hats off to the Americans at the FT World's 2000 posted by peter huppertz on August 28, 2000 at 17:45:36:
Does your allegiance belong to a continent or a country? During a war between two European countries things might get confusing;-)
regards,
Jeff
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There is NO way in the UNIVERSE I could get this. Even I don't know the price ALL of the Anschutz guns are expensive. So I'm just curious. How much is the ZM2002 FT??? Just asking. ThanX. <;o)
SeeYa,
-Cody Dotter-
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In Reply to: tasco scope posted by BC on August 28, 2000 at 18:00:36:
also, i know this isnt about air rifles but, does anyone know of any sites about rimfire shooting competitions. Thanks again.
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does anyone know where i can buy a tasco world class 8-32x50 scope and sunshades. has anyone ever used this scope. i want it for my ruger 10/22 target rifle. THANKS
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I've seen Gary Barnes' web page and his wonderful creations of custom large bore air rifles (.32 cal and up). I also hear of large bore competitions--are they all using Gary's guns or are there other suppliers of large bore air rifles for hunting and competition?
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In Reply to: Re: Gamo rifles? posted by john from NY on August 28, 2000 at 17:19:37:
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In Reply to: Info. for those who emailed about Leapers 6X40 posted by Sammy on August 28, 2000 at 14:58:09:
If you don't want to chance $50 on a scope, I have a very well tested airgun scope for $50 4x32 with ajustable objective and target knobs.
See write up on my site. Best low cost scope out there that I can find. You would think it cost more.
In Reply to: Re: off the subject posted by john on August 28, 2000 at 15:20:11:
If you're killing ground squirrels at those ranges, somehow I don't think rats are going to give you much sass! --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Hey, you should leave saying that to the sponsored guys! ;-) posted by peter huppertz on August 28, 2000 at 15:40:33:
Peter, you're a very sharp cookie indeed! No use trying to keep a conspiracy anywhere's around you! Since you're going to find out sooner or later, I might as well spill the beans once and for all. Russ, Marty and I were talking one day on a conference phone when quite naturally the subject of how to ruin Peter Huppertz financially came up. Well, we scatched our heads and came up with some real beauts that would have worked but unfortunately would have been sniffed out by you in a real jiffy! Finally, one of us (can't or won't remember who) came up with the brilliant idea of doing tests on the superb Swift scopes. Just write down all we observed of the scopes knowing only full too well that you would not be able to resist the temptation to find out yourself and once you did AHA then we got ya! At that point we knew you wouldn't be able to buy just one. At THAT point, it would be Peter Huppertz owning Swift scopes, it would be Swift scopes owning Peter Huppertz! And of course, the rest is history! All this came to pass just as we prophesied! Diabolical? Yes! Effective? You bet!
A Very Diabolical Mr.P
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In Reply to: Got back from the Worlds last night. posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 28, 2000 at 17:40:37:
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For the first time, the Americans did it -- Ron Carlson beat Andy Kays to it by a 1 point margin, and Tom Price got to be spring gun champion.
Also, I gather that the USA team beat the UK team to it.
Of course, what with me being a European, I would have liked to see the Europeans kick butt again. It wasn't to be, however.
Congratulations are in order.
cheers,
peter
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In Reply to: Re: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder posted by Cody Dotter on August 28, 2000 at 16:11:57:
Use some of your creativity (and time) spent on this forum to earn some money.
I live in the country too, and I *know* that a kid can get in some very decent money at harvest time if he's ready to take on some work here.
cheers,
peter
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Had a great time. It looks like one of our own Ron Carlson won the match. I believe its a first for an American to win. Ron and Andy Caplin from the UK were tied going into the last round. The folks up in Minn put on a great match and it was a beautiful setting. Lots of hard, long targets. There were a few problem ones that had to be thown out but still a good time was had by all. Personally my gun crapped out on the first day. Looks like the valve or the reg went south on me. I guess that was truely Murphy's Law that it would go in the biggest match of the year! Oh well..... I dropped off my film today so I should have some pictures in a couple of days.
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In Reply to: Re: Time for a new scope posted by M Boyle on August 28, 2000 at 16:35:11:
Wouldn't the Burris be a notch or two higher up in the food chain?
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In Reply to: Diana Model 23 Air Rifle. Need Info and would like to sell !!!!! posted by Bob on August 28, 2000 at 12:18:35:
Assuming you bought it real cheap, since you didn't know 'what it's worth', why not ask a modest profit over what you paid, and go on to the next deal? This is just a kid-size pellet gun, fine for a youngster to start on, so maybe it could become a birthday gift for someone you know...
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In Reply to: Re: Time for a new scope posted by Roland Martens on August 28, 2000 at 13:43:38:
The HW97k may not like this one -- too long. It can be done, though.
Second, in optical terms, my new toy outdoes the 4200 6-24x40 by a noticeable margin. Sharpness is about equal, light gathering is better, and range finding is better too. I'll have to give the 4200 Elite the heads up for AO bell smoothness, but I expect my AO bell to smooth out soon.
Now I don't know what the 4200 costs, but I don't see it being anywhere near two hundred dollars.
peter
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In Reply to: Crosman 1100 and steel shot posted by Wallace Berry on August 28, 2000 at 12:35:46:
Thanks for the info. Especially to darmtn for the suppliers of shotshells.
There seems to be some question about the barrel material on the 1100. I don't think that it is brass or aluminum, but it may very well be steel that is too soft to endure steel shot.
Another question: Is the barrel choked on the 1100?
Thanks to all.
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In Reply to: 1798 LASERHAWK COMPETITION AIR RIFLE posted by Niall on August 28, 2000 at 02:04:13:
I don't have the laser hawk, but I have heard nothing but good things about it, and it seems like an accurate and affordable gun. There is a good review of it in Airgun digest volume 3.
-john
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In Reply to: Airguns that shoot both BBs and pellets posted by T Moench on August 28, 2000 at 10:35:18:
Ditto what everybody else said. I would stick with pellets. BB's ricochet like crazy and they wear out the rifling of a barrel.
-john
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In Reply to: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 12:43:07:
Hi-
Congrats on finding this forum. There is a wealth of info here, with only the occasional moron making dumb posts. Also, check out www.straightshooters.com for another good forum
-john
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In Reply to: you have a point posted by Alan in GA on August 28, 2000 at 17:17:02:
Maybe in time, when the internet takes off even more, there will be more reviews and sites.
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In Reply to: Gamo rifles? posted by DAN on August 28, 2000 at 13:05:20:
The hunter 220 costs $150. If I were you, I'd get the BSA Supersport for $190 at precision-sales.com. There better made with a better trigger. I don't think anyone on this forum would hesistate in reccomending it.
-good luck-
john
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In Reply to: Lack of air gun reviews on the internet posted by TK on August 28, 2000 at 17:09:11:
and I think many would appreciate even a repeat review on a common gun. Someone else's idea of an airgun might be interesting, even say the R9 which everyone seems to have or plans to. I threatened an article on valve stems and rebuild techniques but have not gotten a 'round tuit'. We could liven up our hobby with a few hours at the keyboard and camera. alan in ga.
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In Reply to: Time for a new scope posted by Andrew on August 28, 2000 at 13:14:43:
My HW97k FINALLY has its Swift 669MTA back. So there you go, same gun as yours.
My HW97 appreciates the 669MTA because it's exactly the right length -- half an inch more and you'd have to resort to gynaecological skills to get a pellet in the breech. The Nitey Seven doesn't have a nice accommodating loading port like the TX200 and the 48, just to mention a few. With a long scope (or a 669MTA with the sunshade on) it IS doable (I've done it in matches) but it's a bit fussy.
Back to the scope.
For $155, you ain't gonna get it any sharper or brighter than that. The rangefinding is VERY good -- up to around 35 yards I tend to think it outdoes its bigger brother (the 677) in terms of ease of use. That may, however, be a matter of getting used to the bigger scope, so I'll have to report on that later.
I have found that you WILL need to tape the true ranges to the AO bell, though (but that goes for any scope... I saw Nick Jenkinson's Leup and he had his focusing ring taped too).
The Swift 669MTA comes with a "you break it, we replace it" kind of warranty. I've done more than my job in trying to break the 669MTA. Ask Marty what I did to mine, but it did involve the weight of a 10 litre steel scuba tank. It's still in working order, but that is a story in itself ;-)
Its zero holding capacity is beyond doubt -- that is, if you don't make any stupid turret mistakes (don't ask me how I know, and yes, I did it during a match -- twice!). The turrets are very nice mechanically, and do what they are supposed to do. I like the numbering and the general user interface on the newer turrets on the 677 better, though (also because it helps me preventing making the same idiot mistake for a third time).
Management summary:
for $155, you can't go wrong. Invest some time in taping the true yardages to the AO ring, familiarise yourself with it, and you've got a gun/scope combo that will win matches if the shooter is up to it.
See the combo in action on the url below. The grey rings are my invention (a way of holding pellets).
Make sure you get yourself a set of high mounts in order to have the AO bell clear the receiver.
If you are shooting a PCP, the Simmons 44Mag might fit the bill -- although I find that scope to be not as good as the Swift, it's now offloaded by firms such as SWFA way below its original price. On a springer, however, the 669MTA would be the way to go on a budget below $200.
peter
I have noticed that there are very few reviews of air guns on the Internet. Neither are there many airgun web sites. Heck, when looking for airgun reviews online I found more reviews of Nerf guns then of air guns. The only place you can get any info appears to be this forum. What gives?
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In Reply to: Diana Model 23 Air Rifle. Need Info and would like to sell !!!!! posted by Bob on August 28, 2000 at 12:18:35:
Go back to the "web links" button on the front page of this site, and go to the American Airguns site. This is run by a great guy named Brad Troyer, and has, among other fine features, a free classified ads page where you can list it for sale. Be sure to read the instructions so as to not muck up the ad.
AND DON'T DRY FIRE IT ANY MORE!!! :-)
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In Reply to: Re: RGunn(or anyone)..I'm trying to figure out how to use my scanner so I can send you some airgun hunting pics...do you know anything about them? posted by thom on August 27, 2000 at 23:29:51:
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3200 is 4x12-40,Trophy is 6x18-40. Should the Trophy be far superior to the 3200 in the optics?My 3200 is kind of grainy, and is totally useless for range finding. At 30 yards, I can turn objective from 30 to 50 with no change in clarity. The Trophy is clear, and an excellent range finder. Is this normal, or should I send the 3200 back?
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In Reply to: Haven't had a chance to find out much on that...... posted by Jack Stinson on August 28, 2000 at 13:09:52:
Jack I think you find the gun more accurate atr 920 than the 1100 at least mine in .22cal was more accurate below the sonic crack. If given the choice I wish mine was going 880 instead of 930 but its working just fine. Just have to clean it more often!
Yes it will still go straight through the sparrows at this vel even squirrels at 50yrds
MarkD
Have a great Vacation
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In Reply to: Re: what did'nt you like about sand bags?? nt posted by bcd on August 28, 2000 at 00:21:15:
I personally always have my best results shooting springers from rest by putting BOTH hands under the gun. I use a Bench Buddy rifle rest, with 2" thick pieces of stick-on foam on both the front and rear rest. I put my left hand under the forend and my right between the pistol grip and rest, and shoot with a very light grip on the forend and a medium-firm grip on the pistol grip. Don't know about others, but it works fine for me, and the POI is virtually the same if I fire the gun from the FT sitting position. Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Maximun MV documented or claimed with Maccari spring in RWS 48-52-54 ? posted by AC on August 28, 2000 at 15:48:40:
Kevin & Craig's numbers are averages.
I 'm interested in peak or optimal sustained performance.
or how close can one get to 7.9 gr @1250 fps in a sidelever with a high powered tune (Venomac, Maccari, et al)?
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In Reply to: Re: Time for a new scope posted by Roland Martens on August 28, 2000 at 13:43:38:
for that kind of money id just get th 8x32x 40mm Elite4200..JMO
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In Reply to: Re: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 13:33:04:
If I were to hang around that guy it would wear out my pocket dictionary. But atleast I would learn some new phrasses
MarkD
PS John B Welcome to the forum
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In Reply to: Parallax posted by chasm on August 27, 2000 at 14:05:35:
Charley:
Not to knock Bushnell in particular, but I've seen this problem on their scopes before. It definitely is a parallax problem if your eye has to be perfectly aligned with the optical axis of the scope for every shot. Cheers!
Unc
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Does anyone make a piston seal for a Pro Elite that is better than the factory seal? Also, can I use a small screwdriver to pry off the old seal on the PE and TX200? Thanks for any help,Freddie Poole.
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In Reply to: Re: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Dick Kelso on August 28, 2000 at 14:15:17:
ah, my thoughts exactly with the army men! :)
thanx
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In Reply to: Re: thanks, could you discribe in more detail (nt) posted by Art on August 28, 2000 at 14:09:05:
To do this would require precisely measuring 2 points of impact, correct? You would need to know you were, for example, + 1/4 inch at 10 feet, - 3/4 inch at 30 feet, and then you could try to fit to the curve? I think this is low precision, as well as the difficulties of having to wait for the pellet to slow down. The upside down method gives you a true average velocity between muzzle and target distance, with no need for extra parameters like BC.
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In Reply to: Maximun MV documented or claimed with Maccari spring in RWS 48-52-54 ? posted by Spring_Nut on August 28, 2000 at 13:04:17:
I get 780fps with .22 cal premiers this was shortly after installing the kit.
MarkD
PS it does shoot nicer with the gsi kit I do recomend it but then again my original spring was broke in 2 places (about one inch from each end)
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In Reply to: Re: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 13:33:04:
(With "tongue-in-cheek" of course!) ;-)
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder posted by M Boyle on August 28, 2000 at 16:01:50:
I live out in the country. So I don't have many neighbors. And all of them mow their own lawns. And I can't get a paper route ethier. So I'll have to weight for a year. That sucks, cause I want a gun NOW.
SeeYa,
Cody Dotter
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In Reply to: Jack..What is the purpose in washing the pellets before lubing them? posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 28, 2000 at 15:57:03:
washing came about with the crosman premiers..they are the dirtiest pellets around.almost. if you shoot them long enough yer fingers turn black with lead dust..it also keeps you from having to clean the bore so much, as this can risk rifling damage..only wash if really needed..it can be a pain
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In Reply to: Jack..What is the purpose in washing the pellets before lubing them? posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 28, 2000 at 15:57:03:
Dirt - those pellets are scraping all over each other inside the tin and little peices of lead will be stuck inside the skirt and such.
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In Reply to: Time for a new scope posted by Andrew on August 28, 2000 at 13:14:43:
I agree with Joe W., I've owned all the scopes discussed here, and both the Swift 669MTA (6-18X44) and the new 677M (6-24X50) do an excellent job of rangefinding in FT matches. Like Joe said, the 669 is good to about 40 yards, and the 677 to 50 yards. My new 677M will rangefind to within 2 yards or less of the true distance out to over 40 yards; I know this for a fact because I've tested it at measured distances. These scopes offer more performance for the price than any others on the market. Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: dont you mean turn the target upside down? posted by M Boyle on August 28, 2000 at 15:37:02:
The theory is very simple. Find out how far the pellet drops while it travels 25 feet. (or any given distance). The inches it drops will tell you the time it took, because vertical fall is affected only by the acceleration of gravity. You now know the time it took and the distance it went, distance/time = velocity.
The execution is tricky. If you had the gun dead level horizontal and knew what point the bore was exactly aimed at, you could just measure down to where the pellet hit. For practical purposes though you can't do this to sufficient accuracy. Can't get the gun level, can't look through the bore from behind, etc. However, if you aim at the same point with the rifle rightside up and upside down, you will hit two different points. You measure the difference. By geometry you can tell how much difference is due to the sights pointing and what is left is due to pellet drop. You have to know the height of your sights above centerline of bore, etc.
Now, I admit this is theoretical, I haven't actually done this. But it is written up in all the classic crossbow texts. It requires a slow projectile with a good arch to be practical. I don't think it would work for firearms but pellet guns have a chance.
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In Reply to: Re: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder posted by Cody Dotter on August 28, 2000 at 09:39:46:
Cody if you are old enough to mow lawns it could take less then a week. $20 a lawn 3-4 lawns a day weekends ..losts of airgun cash
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Where can one get bits and pieces for RWS Scopes? I need the three (3) set screws that hold the front end ring in place on the RWS 400 Scope.
The ring is that thing that screws into the front and keeps the adjustable objective focus bell from unscrewing all the way off.
There were three little hex or slotted screws that have vibrated out over the years.
Thanks in advance.
Kris
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In Reply to: Slick 50 / One Lube posted by Jack Stinson on August 28, 2000 at 13:50:36:
Thanks.
P.S. Nailed two Groundhogs over the weekend. I cheated though, I used my .223.
Later,
Wayne
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In Reply to: Re: Floppy won't eject posted by Mitch on August 28, 2000 at 07:06:08:
no need for Ebay..$10 is retail now if you goto pricewatch.com im betting less now
In Reply to: Re: did you forget yer fiber? posted by M Boyle on August 28, 2000 at 15:47:33:
tad harsh..granted ive done it too
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In Reply to: Maximun MV documented or claimed with Maccari spring in RWS 48-52-54 ? posted by Spring_Nut on August 28, 2000 at 13:04:17:
Check Straight Shooters velocity results. For the non-tuned RWS 52, they give a velocity of 796 using .22 CPs. The RWS 48 and 54 velocities are somewhat lower but still upper 700s.
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In Reply to: Looks like USA phone numbers, figure it out. NT posted by Jack Stinson on August 28, 2000 at 12:08:37:
tad harsh..granted it done it too
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In Reply to: Where would I find a chart like that? (nt) posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 11:20:32:
ty all though it could work. a chart would need to be made with calipers and a chrony in the first place..save for one or find some one that has one..this is a good investment because it can show you if a gun needs work ..used they can be $50 new $99 and up..some way over $400..not needed for most of us
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In Reply to: " Swift-- don't launch lead without it " ! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 15:39:17:
Just kidding.
However, lemme add my two cents:
I've got three guns here on the table that I'm working on to be good. All three are carrying Swift scopes, so the optics department is no longer an issue.
Russ, you and Mike have done it to me. It's all your fault, guys, and Marty being there to fulfill my every need didn't help much to fight it too. If it weren't for you being mean and leading me into the realm of financial doom, I would now still be happily shooting my CF20 with a Beesa 6-24x40 scope on top of it.
peter
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In Reply to: Re: Backing In with no $ - shoot upside down posted by tr on August 28, 2000 at 11:53:29:
gravities the same if the guns upside down or not. but if the targets turned upside down for each short..the math can be worked out im sure ..youd need the gun & targets lined up perfected to make it work or it becomes more of a guess
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In Reply to: thanks, could you discribe in more detail (nt) posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 12:15:12:
FSI has the advanced airgun Ballistics books with lots of math..i bet its in there.. its a must for the anal airgunner in you ;) that book plus a calc with sine\cosine can shot you all types of numbers..im lazy or id put the math up,and might not have the font to show the math..sorry
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In Reply to: Re: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 13:33:04:
sounds like a translator and his "new" sport sound remarkably like fieldtarget what? 15yrs old sport now? click the link and learn more
In Reply to: off the subject posted by Relbik on August 28, 2000 at 02:21:59:
don't know about its fps becuase i don't have a chrony. yes it is the backpacker model in .22 caliber. don't really know about outside air affecting performance as it is always 70-80 degrees where i live =). mine has been bulkfilled with a kit from mac1 (www,mac1airgun.com) and with the bulk fill bottle i get about 40 shots before the pellets start to hit lower on the target. i get about another 20-30 before it gets really bad. i don't know about how much energy is needed to kill a rat but i can get groundsquirrels out to about 30 yards with it. i can get .5 inch groupings at 30 yards which might have to do with the cheap ass scope mounted on it. it came with this little tasco thing, i don't even know the mag. with a better scope the groupings might improve some.
hth,
john
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In Reply to: Isn't the shot encased in a plastic sleeve during it's bore time? NT posted by Jack Stinson on August 28, 2000 at 14:15:54:
No the case stays in the action only the shot and "Wads" go down the bore. her factory palstic caps of tissue for reloads neither will protect the bore from steel shot. its just a bas idea and in my oponion will ruin the gun in short order.
James L
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In Reply to: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 12:43:07:
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In Reply to: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 12:43:07:
JB, we can get Bi-poler here too. some kids do trash th page some time. on weekends anyway. glad to see a nother airgun nut. welcome and have fun ;)
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In Reply to: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 12:43:07:
JB, we can get Bi-poler here too. some kids do trash th page some time. on weekends anyway. glad to see a nother airgun nut. welcome and have fun ;)
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In Reply to: Can the 1077 shoot accurately posted by Shawn Halin on August 25, 2000 at 00:01:27:
I posted this earlier in reference to another post, but I think it is worth repeating! The 1077 far surpassed my expectations on accuracy! 12 shots in a quarter sized hole in less than 2 seconds at 10 yards is pretty decent for me. I bought it thinking I would have trouble hitting a pop can at 10 yards from other post I read. The trigger is not that bad in my opinion, This is no target rifle by any stretch but I bet you'll be surprised at how fun it is as a plinker!
Have fun!
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In Reply to: Re: xtra info posted by Ralph45 on August 28, 2000 at 12:35:18:
Why yes a crack a chunk or loophole however you may fraz it but much room for interp. The local police association had a vote those in favor and those apossed, for some known reason the opposed lost, but the bottom line is our police force is faced to up hold the law, but their is a great deal of interp by the officers so if you get one that doesn't even understand the basics of bill C-68 then off to court you go.
Whitewolf
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In Reply to: pellet lube cleaning posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 13:22:46:
as i just found how well this works im not sure if its bad for the seals or not. but for my springers i use finger nail polish remover. i poor a cap or two on a paper towel or rag. poor the pellets on it, then rub them around the damp rag till they are a lighter dull purter (sp?) color. then do the same with a rag damp with water. then i aply finish line dry. let wax get hard and shoot
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In Reply to: Compact scope for QB88 posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 26, 2000 at 23:02:29:
Notmso cmpact, but see my cheap scope review.
I got some good ones for $50
In Reply to: Questions (Cr 262, 1077 Crappy Tire Crosmans) posted by Brian E on August 25, 2000 at 02:19:54:
I recently purchased one of the 1077 (r or d or something) that came with a cheap litle red dot scope. I was so skeptical of this because it looks and feels like a peice of junk but I was getting antsy waiting for my Beeman R-11 Mk11 ( I ordered from straightshooter but UPS goofed the order) That I gave it a shot. Man was I surprised. It shot very well. I can put all 12 shots in a quarter sized group at 10 yards as fast as I can pull the trigger (<2 seconds) ( I know this is not that great for all of you one holers out there but it far exceeded my expectations), right out of the box. I bought the gun a Bass Pro Shops for $89 and the little red dot sight is cheap but good. All in all I was very pleased. You can buy the CO2 cartridges for <$13 for 25 so it really isn't that expensive to shoot. By the way I can average 48 near-high power shots per cartridge (which is 4 full clips with the 12 round clip that comes with the gun) it will shoot another 10-15 shots but they really drop off shortly after the 48, so I have just started changing the CO2 after 48. It's a very quiet gun with fairly low power, but perfect for back yard plinkers and garage shooters who want to shoot a lot!
In summary you'll despise the look and feel and maybe even be embarassed about how much fun that you have with this gun!
Have fun!
-Bruce
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For those of you who contacted me via email about that Leapers 6X40 AO Scope that was mentioned in several posts this past weekend, it is available from Centerfire Systems in Kentucky at 1-800-950-1231.
It is 49.95 plus shipping. This is the airgun rated model. I did confirm that. I have no connection with these folks at all and I have no idea if the scope will perform well either but I wanted a light compact airgun rated scope for one particular gun.
Joe at Golden Toller had told me about the company and I searched the internet until I located their phone number and I called them a few minutes ago.
I am just passing on the information.
Good luck.
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In Reply to: Gamo rifles? posted by DAN on August 28, 2000 at 13:05:20:
I have a Gamo 440 for about one year now. The fit and finish of this rifle is good,it came with details that enhance the looks and handling (checkering, good safety, nice sights) the trigger is a bit stiff and the velocity and accuracy are good. Mine failed after 1000 pellets, and locating for a replacement main spring was very difficult.
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In great shape, and shoots fine!
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In Reply to: Re: Crosman 1100 and steel shot posted by James L on August 28, 2000 at 12:48:59:
Steel on steel...Will you ruin the barrel?
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In Reply to: Maximun MV documented or claimed with Maccari spring in RWS 48-52-54 ? posted by Spring_Nut on August 28, 2000 at 13:04:17:
790 fps (cal .22 CP's 14.3 gr (midday, 30 deg celcius, 300 m over sea level
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In Reply to: Has anyone chronied an RWS 48? nt posted by cd on August 28, 2000 at 11:12:23:
factory: .177 7.9gr 1030fps
maccari gsi 1000 fps
MikeZ
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I would like to know the pros and cons regarding the Air Arms S310. I already have a BSA SuperTen and simply love it but I am looking for a second PCP. I have heard some good things about it but would like to get some further opinions. How's it compare with the Daystate Harrier PH6 or Huntsman PH6? I would like another repeater and the Air Arms' price and reputation seem to fit the bill. Please advise. Thanks!
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In Reply to: Crosman 1100 and steel shot posted by Wallace Berry on August 28, 2000 at 12:35:46:
I would not use steel shot in a 1100 - it does,t appear to be that hard(the steel)As to more shells, you can either order a Kendon reloading that comes with 15 alum. cases or there is a company(Phoxx Mfg.) that was making the plastic shell loaded with #8 shot.
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In Reply to: Re: Please help me out!!! posted by bing on August 28, 2000 at 02:53:44:
There are several guns under $100 that will hit that size of a target at only 20 yards. The ones I saw mentioned will....5 out of 5.
The Chinese B18 will do 3/4" groups at 35 yards....for $80. And it's "magnum" power to boot.
The B7 should do an inch at 20 yards, so should the XSB3. All inexpensive springers.
The 2289 will, as will the Ben/Sher pump-ups.
And these will all deliver sufficient power to handle the pests at that range. imo.
Now CO2 would offer good groups at only 20 yards with the 2250, 2260, or QB-78.
Jack
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In Reply to: Thanks, but I differ on some things. posted by Brian Wheater on August 28, 2000 at 02:23:06:
Brian, good luck on your deployment and please stay in touch. And Chief, individual National Guard members can be deployed, albeit on a volunteer. For example, my MOS (71DC5, senior legal nco/court reporter) has a standing requisition for volunteers to do 9-months in Kosovo, Bosnia, other areas. G-2 MOS guys have also been requested to volunteer.
But Chief is right about the Army Reserve, which is why I am glad to be in the Minnesota Army National Guard :)
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In Reply to: Re: Crosman 1100 and steel shot posted by James L on August 28, 2000 at 12:48:59:
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In Reply to: Re: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by M Boyle on August 27, 2000 at 20:29:10:
I completely agree. I have shot everything from an IZH-60 (approx. 400 fps) to my Savage 1000 (1000+ fps) in my approx. 35 feet, at Marksman spinner targets (lots of fun) silouhettes, paper targets, little army men (almost treason there), etc. I have used a scope (esp on the little army men--real sniper action) and iron sights. The nice thing about airguns is the range doesn't matter that much. The shooting, sight picture, practice, fun, and all the other stuff are what is important. Enjoy what you have, and find a friend with 300 acres for the long-range stuff.
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In Reply to: thanks, could you discribe in more detail (nt) posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 12:15:12:
This could be done by using a ballistics program.
You would enter the pellet weight,BC of Pellet,and scope height and guess velocity. Run program and by trial and error at guessing velocity you would evemtually get the right velocity that gives you your measured POI (point of impact).
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In Reply to: Slick 50 / One Lube posted by Jack Stinson on August 28, 2000 at 13:50:36:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 13:33:04:
Sounds like he might be yanking a chain there.
Actually, it reads as if he'd be fun to shoot with. Not overly serious, yet inventive enough to be interesting.
I particularly liked the phrase; "applied riflery, from the psychophysiological and
philosophical viewpoints".....wow, what a mouthful!
When you wade through the verbage though, it sounds like he's really saying, "I like to plink!"
Jack
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In Reply to: Re: Time for a new scope posted by Joe Whittaker on August 28, 2000 at 13:49:48:
I Haven't shot as much as you about 1500 rounds
but it has held up on a TX200MKV that has killed
a couple of 44Mags.
Joe
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In Reply to: pellet lube cleaning posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 13:22:46:
Slick 50 One Lube (from automotive parts store)
This is only used in my PCP, pump-up, and CO2 guns.
I wash the pellets in water and Lysol soap. This is critical because you don't want to be whacking starlings with gem-laden pellets....have a heart!
Then air dry the pellets on a towel.
Put them in a baggie, lightly spray Slick 50 One Lube in the bag. Mush the pellets around by hand to get them well coated (but not dripping) with the lube.
Jack
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In Reply to: Time for a new scope posted by Andrew on August 28, 2000 at 13:14:43:
Andrew
I use the Swift669MTA and like it. The clicking is
right on and I range find out to 40 Yards well. To
get better rangefinding you will need to go to a
higher power scope. When Marty get in somemore
6-24 Swifts you may want to look at them. We should
be hearing something on those soon. I helped a friend
with his this weekend(6-24)and he was able to range
to 50 pretty good. One thing about the 669 and you'll
have to check with Marty on this, is the fine crosshair.
Mine has it and I like it but the newer ones have a plex.
I am planning on a more powerful scope but at $155.00
your not going to beat the 669MTA. It will take more
money.
IHS
Joe W.
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In Reply to: Re: Time for a new scope posted by RON on August 28, 2000 at 13:37:06:
I fear you'll gonna have to pay a bit more for decent rangefinding functionality. Probably you'll need to go for some Bushnell 4200 6-24x40.
Roland
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In Reply to: GUN OWNER DECLARATIONS ON 1040 TAX RETUEN ? posted by Big Brother on August 27, 2000 at 10:53:56:
We should be knocking down old bad laws before they can legislate the new ones. Its easier to keep tommorow's bad laws off the books if we fight to knock down the ones we have now. We can't wait anymore. We gotta start cracking the nuts on the table, not wait for them to pour more on it! Harv
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In Reply to: RX 1 posted by Dave on August 28, 2000 at 13:22:53:
NONE....
I would go to the sampler right away...theres no reason not to.
The sampler will give you an idea of what your gun likes and dislikes.
Using other pellets to break the gun in first, won't really change anything in this area.
use the sampler, find out what the gun likes and shoot those, if after a while things start
to change, revisit the sampler or try other pellets.
Good Luck..
Larz
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In Reply to: Time for a new scope posted by Andrew on August 28, 2000 at 13:14:43:
Did you try having it serviced by the factory. It should be under a warranty. I'm about to send in my TROPHY for service. It shifts off center when I make the slightest adjustment. Good Luck
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In Reply to: Re: Introduction posted by James McAllister on August 28, 2000 at 13:12:09:
Yeah they are fun, I even have an AirSoft to mess around with. I was really trying to refer to the more mature and technical nature of this forum.
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In Reply to: Re: Introduction posted by Vlad B on August 28, 2000 at 13:10:58:
Thanks, unfortunately the one guy on that list seems a little odd.
A short quote from his reply to my e-mail:
"I am an avid . . . if less active than I should wish . . . shottist and
hunter. I was trained professionally in the physical and medical sciences.
I am interested generally in practical field shooting, primarily but not
exclusively meaning applied riflery, from the psychophysiological and
philosophical viewpoints.
From that position, I have developed a new shooting discipline, The
Keneyathlon (from the Greek, "hunter" and "test") conceived to examine
practical shooting (that is to say, off-the-range shooting not at known
distances and not at well-defined targets) and promulgated it, both for
training and for competitive and non-competitive sport, as well as
performance-physiological, equipment field-test, psychophysiological, and
field-readiness investigation."
Actual I like the idea, but I was a little intimidated by his vocabulary.
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In Reply to: pellet lube cleaning posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 13:22:46:
I first wash my pellets off with hot water and dishwasher soap. TO lube them I spray a paper towel with Pledge (a wax based furniture polish) and roll the pellets around on the towell until they are all evenly waxed. THen put them in the oven for 2-3 minutes at 350, and that will dry the wax.
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In Reply to: Re: Floppy won't eject posted by Mitch on August 28, 2000 at 07:06:08:
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How many shots should I put through a RX 1 before I try a samplers pack?
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I'd like to hear what everyone is using and especialy how I should be cleaning my pellets.
I have adopted Tufoil's air tool oil and it seem to be working well. I chose this because it is safe for my seals and contains "the slipperiest substance known to man," tufoil. Check out their website www.tufoil.com . Most of you reading this already know but overlubing causes serious accuracy problems, specificaly if there is enough to collect inside a pellet skirt or hollow point. I believe this gets spun out of the pellet after leaving the barrel and throws it of course.
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In Reply to: Haven't had a chance to find out much on that...... posted by Jack Stinson on August 28, 2000 at 13:09:52:
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I have an HW97K and have just finnished up my 3rd case of CP pellets with this gun. I love the gun and after 3500+ shots later I am beginning to really understand this gun and how it shoots. I have also had it tuned, so its very sweet. Having shot this gun so much in just the 3 months that I have owned it, and using it in theee F.T. Matches there is just one thing that I hate, which i CAN change, and thats the scope im using. Its a Bushnell Banner 6-18X50mm. I hate this scope! This is the only scope I own, and its also my first scope to own. But in my newbie opionion the image quality is great, the rangefinder and zoom ringes are all smooth and easy but thats all the scope is good for. Whats really killing me is the rangefinder. I will focus on a target I have measured out to be 10, 20, 30 and 40 yards, and the rangefinder will tell me a 20 yard target is really 50 yards. If I focus on it again it will tell me the same 20 yard target is now 60 yards away, as if it moved! So this scope is no good for F.T.! If I cant get consistant rangefinding with it then I can never do any good with it. Im ready to buy a new scope and the reviews of the swift, and mostly the cost of it got my attention.
Im looking at the silverstreaksports website and the 669MTA reeally looks good to me. Only thing is the price is $155 which is the same price as my Bushnell Banner, which is a POS! Can you honestly say if the Swift is a big improvement over the Banner I have now? The price is the same and everyone says "You get what you pay for" so I would hate to be buying another scope just like my banner for the same price =( Should I save my money up some more and go for one of the $400-500 scopes, or do you think the swift can meet my needs? I just want a scope that can range find consistantly and hold a zero.
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In Reply to: Re: crows HERE is THE CROW HAMMER posted by Zacch on August 28, 2000 at 11:26:25:
Where do you get those Eleys?
Ive been shooting 'crow magnums' and 'Kodiaks' out of my .22 FAC huntsman with great success although the Mags are not good in my gun beyond 40yds.
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In Reply to: Re: Introduction posted by RON on August 28, 2000 at 12:52:47:
Welcome aboard! I'm new on the net myself but have been airgunning for about 25 years. BB guns are still a lot of fun. Don't count them out.James.
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In Reply to: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 12:43:07:
I don't live in CO but here is a direct link to section in American Airguns website (http://www.airguns.net/shooters.html) which has a list of airgun shooters in US and Canada.
In Reply to: Accuracy? posted by RGunn on August 28, 2000 at 12:30:06:
At 25 feet in my basement, I get one-hole groups on the lowest setting with Premiers. It's almost boring at such a short distance.
At longer ranges, I have only been using the 1100fps setting mostly. I'm starting to get the hang of the Career now. At 50 yards it will put them where I aim, if I do my part. It will dead-center a sparrow at 50 yards anyway.
When I return to town, I plan on working with the 920fps setting. I didn't know how far down it would go before I checked it yesterday....at least not the actual fps of the settings. I recently bought it used and am just getting the feel of it. But it's one of the guns from Mac1 and is a proven performer in other hands already.
I want to get things dialed in at 920 if possible and make it my primary with CP's, if that proves to be as accurate as the higher settings. I don't need 1100fps for most of what I do, and 920 will yield a lot more shots per charge, at a very good energy level.
I honestly think it will shoot quite accurately at lower settings...but I was not target shooting on Sunday, only getting chrono readings...then pest bird whacking at the setting which I already knew to be deadly accurate.
I'll continue the experiments with some hard-core target shooting soon. But first, two more days of work, then a week and a half vacation, then a week in my old stomping grounds in Baja. Wish I could take the Career with me for that trip and pop a few Juancitos (ground squirrels). My son and I used to successfully hunt them with Cr.1077's, can only imagine how nice a Career would be for that!
Jack
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In Reply to: slight technical problem starting " Collectors Corner " posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 00:26:35:
Russ, what you're doing is sweet. I was wondering if you might have any info on Webley pistols, I sure would appreciate seeing them. I don't know why this sudden interest in air pistols, but oh well. BTW, I heard the same thing as Boyle about the battery problem, if it helps.
Yer 'Bro in airarms,
Harv
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I need imput on the Gamo Hunter 220. Is it good enough for plinking and hunting.
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which caliber & pellet weight ?
CPs, Kodiaks & Crow Magnums data preferred.
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In Reply to: P1-HW45 .177 Cal. in Canada posted by Pete on August 28, 2000 at 00:41:44:
Ok. Here's my take on the subject and I've done quite a bit
of research into it. It's really quite simple actually.
If the air pistol shoots greater than 500fps, then it
is a restricted firearm and one must go through all the same
hoops to own it as one would for a center fire / rim fire
handgun.
If the air pistol shoots less than 500fps and greater than
around 250fps (I won't go into the 250fps issue here) then it
is not considered a firearm for regulatory purposes meaning
that pretty much anyone can own one.
I think the issue here was that taking the HW45 from .22 to
.177 by only changing the barrel would increase the muzzle
velocity to greater than 500fps, thereby changing the category.
Now, the CFO was ABSOLUTELY WRONG when he said that "no air pistol,
regardless of velocity, is considered to be a restricted
weapon in Canada." As I said above, if the air pistol's muzzle
velocity is greater than 500fps, it is considered a restricted
weapon and you had better have it registered properly otherwise
you could be charged similar to some gang punk with a stolen .45
Carlo.
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In Reply to: Introduction posted by Barnes on August 28, 2000 at 12:43:07:
These are some shooters I found in CO. Keep posting your interests on this and other Airgun related sites. ENJOY
Michael Napier (michael.j.napier@mci.com)
Colorado Springs, CO
10-meter pistol, tield target air rifle
Paul Zella (ZELLA8968@AOL.COM)
Denver metro area
hunting (a place to shoot rats/pest control), plinking, informal shooting; spring piston & CO2 guns
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In Reply to: Crosman 1100 and steel shot posted by Wallace Berry on August 28, 2000 at 12:35:46:
use lead, I beleave the barrel is alum or brass NOT steel.
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I just wanted to introduce myself before I started posting. My name's Jon but it looks like there are a hundred Johns already. I got my first high quality air rifle about 6 months ago (Daystate PH6 huntsman) and am loving it. I live in Golden, CO (home of Coors) am 25yrs old and can't wait till the small game season starts (9/1). I'd like to hear from any airgunners nearby, and would love to know if anyone knows of a FT club in my area.
This is the best U.S. forum I have found - the rest seem to be a bunch of kids with bb guns.
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In Reply to: Gentlemen!!! You act as if this does'nt effect you or us because it's for handguns. WRONG!!!!!!! The liberal socalists posted by vidas chekski on August 28, 2000 at 03:57:38:
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In Reply to: Diana Model 23 Air Rifle. Need Info and would like to sell !!!!! posted by Bob on August 28, 2000 at 12:18:35:
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Hi, anyone know if there is a reason not to use steel shot in a Crosman 1100? My guess is that it should be OK to use steel since it would be no different than shooting bb's in a smooth bore bb gun. I am assuming the thing has a steel barrel. If it's brass, well, I'll just have to use lead.
Also, where can I get additional shot shells for a Crosman 1100?
Thanks.
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In Reply to: xtra info posted by Whitewolf on August 28, 2000 at 12:22:18:
I heard on the radio this morning that the Canadian Police Association is voting on their support of firearms registration. The news item outlined that there is a faction in the association that believes registration is too costly, hinders legal owners and does not fight crime. check out your local police association members. I now live in the states. One of our city councilman brought up the issue of the council rubber stamping the city police department approval of all gun control issues. Do I see a crack in the armor?
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Hi, anyone know if there is a reason not to use steel shot in a Crosman 1100? My guess is that it should be OK to use steel since it would be no different than shooting bb's in a smooth bore bb gun. I am assuming the thing has a steel barrel. If it's brass, well, I'll just have to use lead.
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In Reply to: Airguns that shoot both BBs and pellets posted by T Moench on August 28, 2000 at 10:35:18:
You could try a second hand BB/Pellet gun. They can be picked up cheap and are fun to shoot. I got a Crosman AIR-17 for $20 U.S. from my nieghbor (it looks like an M-16[a C7 in canadian terms]) You can get them from a flea market, or try looking though local classified ads. Like Mikey said get a single pump it will save $ ,Co2 costs get expensive.
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In Reply to: A little chrony work on my Career finally posted by Jack Stinson on August 28, 2000 at 12:24:30:
What accuracy are you experiencing at all those different power levels? Thanks.
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In Reply to: Re: The AA100 project has now successfully concluded. posted by MarkD on August 27, 2000 at 18:38:34:
The HW97k OWNS the Swift 669MTA. If you leave the sunshade off, you've got just enough clearance to feed pellets into the breech without a hassle.
peter
ps: (you knew you had this coming, hehheh)
did I mention that, after shooting a Career .22 long rifle last Saturday, I was VERY happy with my 12 yr old Air Arms trigger? And did I mention that my HW97 (a SPRING gun) recoils less than the Career at a moderate power setting? And did I mention that the Career's balance is so utterly hopeless that I can't shoot it in the standard overarm position without the help of external mods? And did I mention that my neighbours thought I was shooting a rimfire?
(And did I mention it has very cheesy panels?)
I could go on like this, but Steve might get depressed -- or Swinson by proxy ;-)
*vicious grin*
peter
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I finally got to pop a few pellets through a chrony with my .20 Career on Sunday. The results make me love the thing even more.
Crosman Premiers 14.3 grain, here's what I found to be the most useful of "starting" settings;
lowest setting on the wheel - 540fps
next setting - 760fps
next setting - 920 fps
two up - 1102fps
max setting 1225fps
Cool, a gun I can comfortably shoot in my basement at 540fps (and not any more noise than a 2250), can shoot walnuts at 760fps, hunt all day long at 920fps (26.8fpe!), or crank it up and shoot Korean heavies at woodchucks. I love it!
At 540fps, the noise level is quite comfy, at 920 it is still sub-sonic and in the woods isn't loud at all.....1100 and over it gets cracky, which in the woods it's fine.
But at 1100fps, a 14.3 grain CP goes completely through a sparrow at 50 yards....I don't think it even slowed down much. It did drop the sparrow instantly though. Damn, need a higher power scope now...those little pests are tiny!
btw- Got a good chuckle from the thread about .22 rimfires vs Careers. Hey, I ONLY shoot airguns these days. Not my .22 rimfire, not my flintlocks, nothing else. I enjoy shooting an airgun that I can shoot in my basement in the city, yet take it out and shoot woodchucks also.
As for springers, some of us cannot shoot magnum springers due to one reason or another, nor care to. Not everyone is the same....would be a boring world if that were the case.
Jack
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In Reply to: Diana Model 23 Air Rifle. Need Info and would like to sell !!!!! posted by Bob on August 28, 2000 at 12:18:35:
Never "fire" or discharge a spring airgun without a pellet. Value an RWS 24 "with a nice RWS scope" just sold last week for under $ 90
Your gun might be in the $60-75 range.
PS: Don't tell anyone you dry fire it!!!!!
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In Reply to: Your right Gerry... posted by Fearon Steele on August 28, 2000 at 04:15:36:
After I read the original post last nite I decided to phone the lawyer that represents the LUFA (law abiding unregistered arms) an organization the is trying to have provincial gov't responsible for gun registration in Alberta.
According to his interp of the law a restricted arm falls under bbl length of 18.5" and over 500 fps. Any airpistol would fall under this catagory. But air rifles fall under a different catagory just like the .22 chipmunk and the Marlin Guide series 45/70 (eg he gave) they both have bbl less than 18.5" but are a long arm so a PAL or FAC is all that is required. As for an air pistol being that it is concealable it falls under the restricted weapons portion of the law. He said it's a grey area and he would look into it with more detail for me. So there's part of the scoop fellow Canucks. I will post the grey area interp when it becomes avail to me.
Hope this helps.
As for crossbows needing a PAL it is because they have a trigger. Any devise that has a trigger is deemed to be a form of restricted weapon. But in the case of a crossbow it only requires a PAL or FAC for purchase only.
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I just purchased an air rifle at a flee market this morning and I would like to know about what it's worth and I would like to sell it. I was planning to list it on Ebay but found out they don't let you sell BB guns on there site. It's marked "Diana, Mod. 23, Made in Germany". It's in nice working condition (good strong blast of air when you cock and fire it). On the end of the wooden stock it's marked "11.37" I thought that might stand for November 1937. Looks compleat, some pitting on the metal barrel, wooden stock in wonderfull shape. Photo's available on request. Email me at NOMOREWK@aol.com
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In Reply to: Is that $50 in Canadian or American funds (nt) posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 11:22:21:
Tyle those prices were in US funds.
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In Reply to: Has anyone chronied an RWS 48? nt posted by cd on August 28, 2000 at 11:12:23:
I don't have a 48 anymore but when I did it was shooting 14.3 gr. CPs at around 800 fps and 11.9 Hobbies around 885 to 900 fps. That is when the spring wasn't broken.
Good luck.
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In Reply to: Backing In with no $ posted by Mac1 on August 28, 2000 at 11:17:00:
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In Reply to: Tasco Accudot (Red Dot Sighting Device)Model #ACD6SPL! posted by Neil on August 28, 2000 at 11:00:55:
I've got a PDP2, which is the slightly more expensive model. Tasco sells (they don't acutally make anything) pretty good red dot scopes. I've also heard good things about the BSA red dots, but I have no experience.
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In Reply to: Is that $50 in Canadian or American funds (nt) posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 11:22:21:
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In Reply to: Has anyone chronied an RWS 48? nt posted by cd on August 28, 2000 at 11:12:23:
Take a look at the following URL:
In Reply to: Airguns that shoot both BBs and pellets posted by T Moench on August 28, 2000 at 10:35:18:
I'm sorry, but no 13 year old can shoot BB's safely. The judgement required to NEVER EVER let a BB go toward a target it can bounce off is not found in 13 year olds, actually a lot of adults have some trouble too. Pellets are more giving of a small lapse in foresight (didn't know it would go through that box, didn't know there was concrete behind, didn't know it would come back at 95% velocity towards the eye - BB's have their place but they are bad news for beginners).
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In Reply to: Backing In with no $ posted by Mac1 on August 28, 2000 at 11:17:00:
Yes, this works.
Or as a variation on the trajectory mapping, at a known distance shoot once with the rifle right side up, once with the rifle upside down. Measure the distance between the impact points, and simple geometry should do the rest. This is how they tested crossbows before chronographs were widely available.
Or you could build a ballistic pendulum. I'm sure someone here has plans.
yours,
tr
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In Reply to: Airguns that shoot both BBs and pellets posted by T Moench on August 28, 2000 at 10:35:18:
I think a nicer choice for starting out is something like the Crosman Black Serpent. It is cheap, single pump so it saves on the arm and cost of CO2 cartridges,very accurate and shoots both BB's and .177 pellets. Also very light and has the 3/8" Dovetail for a cheap scopt to learn with.
It is nice to find something that won't break the bank for a 13 yr. old. For less than $100 you can get the gun, scope and a ton of BB's and pellets.
Have fun and be safe.
Mikey
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In Reply to: Re: crows posted by Ed on August 28, 2000 at 01:46:18:
Don't buy a lazer sight they suck for anything but very low light conditions. and if you are not used to shooting airguns I think you should get a pump Bejamin or Sheridan in at least .20 cal.they are easy to shoot and are in your price range.
pass on the scope for now and see how you do.
You can always add that later.
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In Reply to: Airguns that shoot both BBs and pellets posted by T Moench on August 28, 2000 at 10:35:18:
I believe that if the gun has a rifled barrel that you should only shoot pellets. The steel BBs will degrade the rifling over time. I know that guns like the Crosman 760 and 2100 have BB magazines that make shooting BBs more convenient than pellets, BBs are also cheaper. If the gun can shoot BBs and pellets it is a .177 caliber. Pellets will fit the entire bore and be more accurate. While BBs are smaller (.173 to .175 I think) the BB will actually bounce around the barrel as it travels through. This bouncing will bang against the rifling and damage it affecting accuracy. Also, due to the bouncing, the BB will not leave the barrel on the same bounce each time so the accuracy will suffer. I had a 760 when I was 15 and shot many more BBs than pellets. I was not generally concerned with extreme accuracy as much as fun. So I guess I am telling you that for a gun under $100 there are things to consider but do not worry too much and have safe fun. Remember there is a greater hazard of BBs bouncing back at you or others.
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In Reply to: crows posted by Ed on August 27, 2000 at 23:51:20:
I have taken a multitude of crows with my Daystate Huntsman Magnum it will knock them down easily. Sometimes I call them in and shoot them from cover, if you call them in from umder power lines or tree's then stop calling when they get real close they will land above you and you can shoot them provided you are not in veiw. My best kill to date was at 75 yds. with the Huntsman Magnum and a .30 grain Eley bullet pellet, I also kill plenty with the Crossman premeires. If you would like to see this gun at my hunting site it is on sale now. WWW.Trophyhuntingtexas.com click on guns when you get there. and for more detailed info. click on Airguns.
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I use my Sheridan almost exclusively for indoor target practice at about 25'. I am currently shooting B/S Diablos and they group very well for me, but I'd like a wadcutter for cleaner target scoring. I also don't really need 14.3 grain pellets to get through target paper. I'll keep the B/S pellets in reserve for the occasional pest control, but has anyone tried the H&N Match pellets in a Sheridan? I know in springers there is generally a weight range that is best to prevent damage. Is this also true of pumpers (maybe a change in if the air is all exhausted, etc.)? Thanks!
Patrick
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In Reply to: You can get refurbished chronographs for $45-$50. posted by Jack Stinson on August 28, 2000 at 06:51:45:
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In Reply to: Re: How can I measure the speed of my pellet when its fired? posted by homer on August 28, 2000 at 10:16:01:
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In Reply to: How can I measure the speed of my pellet when its fired? posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 04:41:40:
If you map your exact trajectory and measure scope hieght you can back into the velocity by finding the trajectory that corresponds to what you are experiencing.
Later
Tim
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In Reply to: Is the one Cabelas a real career? posted by Alain on August 28, 2000 at 09:38:52:
Don't know of any "fake" Careers out there.
Yes, the Cabelas catalog offers RWS airguns...of which a couple are real, live, genuuuuuu-ine Careers.
Jack
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thanx
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In Reply to: How can I measure the speed of my pellet when its fired? posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 04:41:40:
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Was wondering if anyone had any experience using this on their airguns. I am thinking about using this for my Crosman 600.
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What are the pros and cons of an airgun that shoots both BBs and pellets as a first airgun for a 13 year old. I assume accuracy is somewhat compromised, but how much? What would your recommendations be for a gun in the under $100 range?
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In Reply to: How can I measure the speed of my pellet when its fired? posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 04:41:40:
Balistic Putty(Beeman) is a cheaper if less accurate way--you simply look at the amount of deformation and compare to a chart
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In Reply to: Re: Hobbies, Big Boys Toys and Big $$$$$$ posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 19:04:39:
When I got the S300 it was adjusted to full power and was shooting above 20 Fpe.
However most of the guys are shooting .22's and I suppose that makes a difference. Mine is only a .177 caliber and my Sheridan .20 is louder at 3 pumps than the AA or so it seems. Also is quieter than my RWS36 but I think most of that is from the power plant and not muzzle blast. I guess it time for me to check out my DB meter and see for sure. Straight Shooters also has DB testing on there web site of some popular air rifles.
Art
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In Reply to: Re: P1-HW45 .177 Cal. in Canada posted by Mikey on August 28, 2000 at 09:50:02:
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In Reply to: P1-HW45 .177 Cal. in Canada posted by Pete on August 28, 2000 at 00:41:44:
Just to let you know how screwed up our little country is when it comes to firearms, Crossbows are now going to require an FAC but long bows and compound bows are not.
If you have any questions here is a helpful website.
www.cfc-ccaf.gc-ca
It is the Canadian Goverment website for the new laws and stuff.
Good place to check out.
Mikey
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The other day I looked up the Crosman 357 patent at IBM's patent website, and they had a really good drawing of the internals of the 357. I was wondering if the Crosman 600 had any patents, and if so, can anyone tell me the patent numbers, so I can look them up?
Oh, and if anyone cares, the patent on the 357 is 4,422,433, which covers the floating seal at the back of the cylinder.
In Reply to: Can you make a thumbhole stock for a 392? posted by Josh P. on August 27, 2000 at 17:24:33:
Why would you pay the extra $$$ for a nice wood like walnut and then put camo paint on it? I know the trials of being young and on a tight budget, so you might think about birch or something really cheap if it's for a hunting gun.
Patrick
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In Reply to: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder posted by DougWall on August 28, 2000 at 08:20:30:
I will, in 1 year. Takes me that long to get enough $$$.
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In Reply to: Re: working in Mexico for 4 months, want to hunt pigs posted by john from NY on August 27, 2000 at 21:04:18:
Is the one Cabelas a real career?
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In Reply to: qb-78 posted by john on August 27, 2000 at 16:42:22:
Don't bother trying air. CO2 is about 800-900psi, and the liquid CO2 gives you the large # of shots. 500 psi air would give you a couple of low power shot per charge. Don't try 2000 psi air, it's likely to blow up the gun. Consider getting a bulk CO2 supply.
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In Reply to: slight technical problem starting posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 00:26:35:
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In Reply to: Where R U? posted by Brian E on August 25, 2000 at 13:21:19:
I am in Ontario.
It does seem to be true that many of the Canadian Tire
Stores in urban areas do not carry airguns any more.
And I checked out the website for their e-flyer and could
not find the listing although I had the actual
"delivered to the door" flyer in front of me.
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In Reply to: Re: No, you didn't renew your subscription to Am. Airgunner posted by Slick on August 28, 2000 at 03:11:18:
WRONG We're talking AMERICAN AIRGUNNER NOT US Airgun
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In Reply to: RWS RA 800 posted by Roy Beck on August 28, 2000 at 07:29:52:
See the link below
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Visit the AirMonkey website to see another AirMonkey exclusive.
regards,
Jeff
In Reply to: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder posted by DougWall on August 28, 2000 at 08:20:30:
I did and still want more!
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In Reply to: Gas ram / Gas Spring posted by Brian on August 28, 2000 at 07:49:30:
Be careful, a gas ram and gas spring are not the same...
Gas rams are units designed to replace a standard spring and are installed as an aftermarket
item.
Gas Springs are designed to the gun from it's inception.
Guns like the Crow Mag, RX1, which were designed with a gas spring, (IMO) are more reliable and
consisitent than an aftermarket ram. Additionally, their power can be adjusted to shoot in a variety
of ways from plinking to hunting. Rams on the other hand (as far as I know) are not adjustable by the USER.
I have both an RX1 and and Eliminator(Crow Magnum) both of which I like very much. They are consisitent
from shot to shot, very smooth and solid. They take some getting used in to in regards to the cocking effort
but nothing the average person can't handle. Though in their current setup, I wouldn't choose either for a casual
day of plinking.
I havn't had either long enough to vouch for reliabilty, however I have read posts from others that have used these
guns for years without trouble. On the other hand, I've read some less than ideal comments on aftermarket rams...
Personally, I wouldn't go for a aftermarket ram, I'd rather buy a gun specifically designed for it.
HTH
Larz
HTH
Larz
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In Reply to: Please help me out!!! posted by Relbik on August 28, 2000 at 02:03:55:
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In Reply to: crows posted by Ed on August 27, 2000 at 23:51:20:
Hello Ed,
I was amazed to c ur problem, cuz the same goes here in my country. u r exactly right they look so bad they deserved to be killed.
Ne way, first u should know few things about crows. They r:
1- They have a good unity. kill one and run for ur life :)
2- They r very clever and have very good sense. Just point ur gun towards them and they will fly.
3- They remember ur face. if u kill a crow then all of them will be against u. when ever u go out of ur home they may attack u.
Ps. These are all my personal experiences.
Regarding all this ............. and my gun collecting passion. i will recommend a gun from the world most precise, definitive, powerful, ultimate .... etc etc. gun makers and tht is the Webley, RWS/Diana and Beeman.
But everything depends on ur budget. if u r like a person tht dont care for price then let me know. e-mail me and i will tell u about the airguns which r more than the airguns.
Ne way.
U can get RWS/Diana model 45 in .22 cal with a 4x20 scope. u can get it from www.compasseco.com ro any other store. I also have this gun since 1984 and its really gr8.
okay ........ tht was just a little msg.
Ps. feel free to mail me at gremlin_2000@usa.net
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In Reply to: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 22:54:08:
Because they are fun? I thought that's kind of what the shooting sports are all about. Do I have to stop shooting trap because I like sporting clays? Good grief.
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In Reply to: Re: Cody Has A Bright Future As A Stock Analyst posted by Cody Dotter on August 28, 2000 at 06:23:29:
Just go out and buy something!!!
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In Reply to: Re: Just got back from Springfeild Armory.. posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 23:57:26:
but you can never be forgiven for your trespasses, failings and shortcomings! This is a forum for purfection and purfection ONLHY!!! ---- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Airgun Purchasing posted by Robert J. Pelosi on August 27, 2000 at 21:01:12:
Airguns aren't firearms in Mass....
You "Don't" need a LTC to buy or carry one.
However, some dealers "in" Massachusetts won't "sell" you an air "pistol" unless it's through a liscensed gun dealer.
As to using them...buy a copy of your towns by-laws before shooting in your back yard.
And taking a gun safety course is a very good idea also.
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In Reply to: Cody, you're extremely tiresome. Buy something and shutup for a day or 3. posted by www.thenewamerican.c on August 28, 2000 at 04:09:58:
I don't have enough to buy something now. I might in a year. And why don't you shutup? HEHEHE
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In Reply to: 1798 LASERHAWK COMPETITION AIR RIFLE posted by Niall on August 28, 2000 at 02:04:13:
Hi Niall,
The rifle u asked for is sure good for beginner as well for adult target practice. I have been looking its fame on the net since many days on many sites.
The good thing is tht it has a cheap price with many features like a rifled barrel & 495 fps of muzzle velocity.
I dont know the right answer for ur second q but it is understood tht if it has a rear diopter then ofourse the laser may be removed.
All i can say is tht ........... get it man
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I am guessing that these would be the same power plants. I am looking at one of these guns and this seems to be a bit newer technology. Could somebody tell me their experiences with these systems especially regarding longevity and reliability. Springs are tried and true, what about these gas rams? Is the Theoben the best and is it used on other guns or just their's?
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In Reply to: crows posted by Ed on August 27, 2000 at 23:51:20:
For your crows they tend to be one of the tougher critters to shoot easily because of the distance you most often must shoot and they are hearty. They have a small kill zone and plenty of tough feathers for protection from underpowered off target shots. I am not very well qualified to recommend a gun but try the resources section here and scroll down to Straight Shooters and review their offerings and then email them with your question. They have prices and packages which will definitely help you out. I am sure any of the folks at any of the other listed stores could help you but, I have only dealt with Straight Shooters and can recommend them 100%. As with most things keep in mind that power costs money! If you are new to this you may be rather
surprised at the prices, just get as much gun as you can afford and have fun. BTW, I have yet to kill a crow .
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The RWS RA 800 looks like a nice rifle. I haven't seen any talk about it. I would be very interested in owner reviews and dealers who are selling them. Thanks, Roy
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In Reply to: How can I measure the speed of my pellet when its fired? posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 04:41:40:
It's called a chronograph!
Randy
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In Reply to: slight technical problem starting " Collectors Corner " posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 00:26:35:
If it is your typical PC drive with mechanical eject, problem is likely the aluminum door on the disk coming loose and hooking on the drive. Try guiding it past the door with a feeler guage (may need to do both top and bottom).
If electric eject, could be the above or something else. If it is the disk cover, you can rip it off (remove the spring too) and read the disk safely before throwing it away.
If you still can't get it out, try searching eBay for "floppy drive". I bought a new TEAC 1.44MB drive for $10.50 delivered last week on eBay.
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