Airgun Letter Forum: Messages posted in the past 2 days

What about a slingshot? (NT)


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Msg. 272756  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 08, 2000 at 07:02:35:

In Reply to: Re: uhhh. Stop feeding the birds? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:55:14:

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Lubeing Pellets


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Msg. 272755  Posted by Stan Campbell on August 08, 2000 at 06:58:00:

I am not saying this is the best way, but I find it to be the easiest for me. After washing and Drying, I take an old crosman premier box and spray the lube on the foam rubber, put in some pellets and gently roll them around. this gets lube on the outside only and doesn't waste lube as the same box can be used for quite some time with the occasional respraying of the foam rubber. Be sure to wash and dry the foam rubber first to get rid of the lead dust, if you use the foam rubber that came in the box. I also find this help keep from making a big mess with the spray lube.
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Msg. 272754  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 08, 2000 at 06:24:15:

In Reply to: The kids these days! Join the Military! (read to the end) posted by peter on August 08, 2000 at 02:03:21:

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Why??? in UK almost every rifle comes with a silencer and it's perfectly legal. Not all airgun freaks come from US! (NT)


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Msg. 272753  Posted by Piter on August 08, 2000 at 05:46:31:

In Reply to: Please lets stop saying the " S " word..It might get you into trouble someday posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 07, 2000 at 20:17:34:

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Re: pellets and bowling balls?


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Msg. 272752  Posted by peter huppertz on August 08, 2000 at 04:44:28:

In Reply to: Re: pellets and bowling balls? posted by Tir on August 07, 2000 at 21:05:25:

> Either that or I'm all wet ... take your pick :)

can't we just have both? ;-)
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AMEN! (nt)


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Msg. 272751  Posted by Marco on August 08, 2000 at 04:17:12:

In Reply to: The kids these days! Join the Military! (read to the end) posted by peter on August 08, 2000 at 02:03:21:

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First impressions of the HW45/Beeman P1


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Msg. 272750  Posted by Fearon Steele on August 08, 2000 at 03:15:25:

I got my HW45 just three hours before I had to work so I haven't had alot of time to shoot it yet. The pistol I got is the .22cal version (the only legal version in Canada) and is dieseling alot still.

I got to shoot it a bit and like the feel of the gun. Cocking and loading is nice, the trigger is good and I don't feel urged to tamper with it right now. Have not had a chance to shoot any targets with it but I think I'll wait for it to break in anyways. The extra size and weight of the pistol makes it easier to shoot than my Webley Tempest (though the Tempest combat grips feel better, especially with the trigger shoe added).

Altogether I'm impressed with the pistol right now. My only gripe about it right now is it's cost! Seeing as how it's around the same price as an actual Colt .45 you'd think they at least could have made the frame of billet steel instead of cast metal (the casting is good though)! Or they could at least have included a pistol carrying case or perhaps interchangeable barrels. I paid $439 for this pistol not including shipping. I feel $325 new should be more along the lines of what I judge the HW45's value at.

My B4 Chameleon was around $125 more but a better deal for the money I feel. Of course the 45 will be a much better pistol to shoot in the Canadian winter.
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Re: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed??


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Msg. 272749  Posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 03:02:00:

In Reply to: Re: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 02:12:33:

I have heard that putting a good quantity of cayenne pepper into birdseed will discourage most mammals from partaking thereof. Birds, not having saliva, are unaffected.

Sorry for being so down-to-earth, it's just that I once witnessed a person (adult) shoot his own dog with a cheap pump-up pellet gun to chase it out of his vegetable garden. He only pumped it once and used a BB on the theory that it wouldn't hurt it. He defied the odds and managed to hit the dog right on a knuckle where the skin was tight against the bone and split the skin. It bled all over the place and the guy was fairly upset over the whole deal. I didn't say anything, but I was glad he didn't hit it in the eye.
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Re: CO2 and humidity...relationship?.....Orientation?????


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Msg. 272748  Posted by GH on August 08, 2000 at 02:53:42:

In Reply to: I'll probably regret asking; CO2 and humidity...relationship? posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 08:08:20:

JS,
You mention storing gun for 1 hr.,at home,and problem disappears...
My thought is that moisture condensation is the Gremlin...
What is the orientation of the gun when:your hunting,[or carrying];
when you lay it aside after malfunction;when you store it at home?
GH

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Full circle...


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Msg. 272747  Posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 02:53:26:

In Reply to: Women...(nt) posted by DaveG on August 07, 2000 at 11:16:14:

Saw this quote somewhere--as I recall, it was anonymous by request of the author--probably a married fellow.

Puberty changes a boy's interest from toys to women--marriage, just the opposite.
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crosman ck92 info ??


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Msg. 272746  Posted by Jon on August 08, 2000 at 02:31:52:

has anyone used the new ck92 pistol yet

I had a 1008 and ended up trading it for
a 357-8 and still have the clips. can you
use the 1008 loaders in the ck92.??
How does the ck92 rank compared to the 1008.?

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Re: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed??


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Msg. 272745  Posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 02:12:33:

In Reply to: Re: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 01:50:49:

Come on, you're supposed to tell me what I want to hear, not be sane and reasonable! (In case it's not clear, I'm kidding here).

I kinda already figured that they'd not be easy to convince, but I was hoping for a brilliant suggestion....

Hmmm, I wonder what one of those handy little 100,000V stun devices would do? (Besides get me sued, injure neighborhood kids, etc. Bad idea I guess.) But the raccoons likely wouldn't come back!

Thanks
Mike U.

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Re: Need a secondary gun...Comments on the QB88,Daisy 161 and Chinese B18?


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Msg. 272744  Posted by Tir on August 08, 2000 at 02:05:23:

In Reply to: Need a secondary gun...Comments on the QB88,Daisy 161 and Chinese B18? posted by Josh P. on August 08, 2000 at 01:09:39:

I'm not familiar with the Daisy or the B18, but I do have a QB88 that I've been shooting for several months. Probably the most comprehensive piece written on this gun that I've found is at the following link:

http://olympia.fortunecity.com/kickbox/377/index.htm

I'm very happy with mine, and while it is a moderately powered gun, from first hand experience it does have enough oomph to handle starlings at ranges out to 25 yrds at least. Scoping options are either a compact scope, or high mounts as the bell(objective) of the scope otherwise protrudes over the loading port of this side lever rifle. I've had good luck with Leapers compact scopes.
Realistic velocity is approx 600fps with an 8gr pellet. Check out the link for some very detailed info.

btw, my rifle is a 'TechForce 88' - I've been told it is, in fact, the same gun as the QB88.

HTH,
Tim
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Reminds me of the Hunts trying to corner the market on silver....


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Msg. 272743  Posted by R Yost in St Louis on August 08, 2000 at 02:04:35:

In Reply to: Crosman 600 Warning posted by chasm on August 07, 2000 at 22:26:40:

600's were produced for 10 years and although they are less common, they are not rare.
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The kids these days! Join the Military! (read to the end)


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Msg. 272742  Posted by peter on August 08, 2000 at 02:03:21:

Well i'm 18, so i'm pretty much a kid to most people. Considering i can't buy handguns, i can't buy alcohol and i can't rent a car. The ironic thing is even though i am not considered for all the above, i am able to: join the military and fight in hell holes like kosovo and the gulf, be drafted, be trail as any over 21 year old. Even though all of the above have their reasons, i still feel that some of us younger adults should have those rights. I've been through BCT for the Army reserve,, through AIT and see life and death everyday working as a surgical technician. Yet when i walk into a gun store and show them my ID i am pushed away. I agree most teens and young adults should not be allowed to do those things. But i am a fully trained soldier, a very mature person by any standard, and yet i can't buy a Glock 36. The ironic thing is i'm expected to pick up an M-16 and a Beretta to defend my country yet i can't buy a handgun to target practice. America has become a bunch of tree-hugging green peace liberals who believe we should give up the rights to bear arm to save a few lives; Even though they never considered that almost all are lost through situations involving illegal weapons which would be there anyways (look at Brittain, their murder rate with guns keeps climbing). I say it's time we allowed more liberal freedom back into our country. I still agree with the age limit on handguns, but please allow some of us part time soldiers to be able to buy one. I mean i am expected to defend my country and probably my life with weapons and half of which i cannot even buy yet. How effective can a soldier be if he only practices with a handgun once every 6 months or so. I am not in the infantry but considering i work in a feild hospital 1 mile from the front lines and i have a big red cross on my back and another on top of the place i work, i should be able to buy a damn handgun to practice with. And now where the airgun becomes relevant. I have to resort to airguns to target practice. And even though that seems degrading, i have grown to love it. A feel of a nice airgun is much better than a semi. The things i learn in airgunnning carries over extremely well to handguns. I have learn to keep a steadier arm and better squeeze. The other day i got a chance to finally shoot a .45 with a 3 inch barrel. I did 1 inch. at 30 yards, damn good for a first time .45 shooter. So all of my airguns friends out there, wether your a .177 plinker or a .561 big bore freak, unite and be grateful for the gift God has given us. Airguns are the next best thing to firearms, considering the cost, the smell, the weight, the noise, the laws, the neighbors, the dangers, and lastly the damn anti-gunners. "It's just an airgun, so back off free loading hippy." if you agree give it a holler!!!!!!!!
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Russ, don't you ever sleep??? (nt)


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Msg. 272741  Posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 01:58:15:

In Reply to: uhhh. Stop feeding the birds? posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 01:18:18:

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Re: 1322 again


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Msg. 272740  Posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 01:56:22:

In Reply to: 1322 again posted by GMackeddie on August 07, 2000 at 05:30:54:

I've never had this happen in 13 years of shooting my Crosman 13XX, you're not pumping it more than 10 times, are you?
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Re: uhhh. Stop feeding the birds?


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Msg. 272739  Posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:55:14:

In Reply to: uhhh. Stop feeding the birds? posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 01:18:18:

I don't know how the feeder is suspended - I haven't actually been there. It wouldn't matter, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about such things, other than that the free food source must seem irresistable. She says that she's tried various magical commercial solutions...
She seems to want to keep feeding them though (the birds that is).
Would a few smacks with a paintball KEEP them away, do you think? Would a single incident do it, or every day be necessary? (She travels a lot, and I don't live nearby enough to do it for her).
I'd suggested paintballs, but I don't have a paintball gun. Sounds like a good excuse to get one, though.... what's the energy of a paintball at 1000fps I wonder? (Just kidding)

Thanks
Mike U.

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Re: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed??


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Msg. 272738  Posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 01:50:49:

In Reply to: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:12:57:

Even fairly low-powered airguns can cause injury if you get unlucky (or lucky, depending on your point of view). If she doesn't want to hurt them she shouldn't use an airgun on them.

Raccoons are pretty smart and persistent though, she may be stuck with them, they probably won't be easy to discourage.
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P.S.-Non-marring, clamp-on, all-inclusive, take 1 " or 3/4 " scopes!


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Msg. 272737  Posted by ron robinson on August 08, 2000 at 01:39:13:

In Reply to: My new mounts work on the 400 and 180! posted by ron robinson on August 08, 2000 at 01:36:16:

These babies do everything but cook biscuits!
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My new mounts work on the 400 and 180!


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Msg. 272736  Posted by ron robinson on August 08, 2000 at 01:36:16:

In Reply to: Anybody know of way to scope a crosman model 400? posted by Bill on August 06, 2000 at 18:30:13:

As well as on the 160, 150, 600, 38T and C, and QB's. They also clamp with 2 screws per mount, (instead of 1), so are more secure. Available in blue or satin silver. Price on the new ones is $25/set (postage included, personal checks okay, satisfaction guaranteed). Ron Robinson, 4225 E. Highway 290, Dripping Springs, Tx. 78620.
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Re: IZH 60/61 page, URL inside......


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Msg. 272735  Posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 01:28:17:

In Reply to: IZH 60/61 page, URL inside...... posted by Chavez on August 07, 2000 at 12:53:37:

I've found that the fitting of the O ring to the bolt on the IZH-61 is a bad idea. This tweak should only be used on the single shot IZH-60. I've also developed a softune for the guns that almost gets rid of any recoil, but there is no velocity rise. Russ
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Scope mounts for 38T C.


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Msg. 272734  Posted by ron robinson on August 08, 2000 at 01:22:52:

In Reply to: cr 38T more power? posted by Roger on August 07, 2000 at 17:39:38:

$25 set, postage included. My scoped 38C (4" bbl) gets 3/4" groups at 15 yards.
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uhhh. Stop feeding the birds?


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Msg. 272733  Posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 01:18:18:

In Reply to: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:12:57:

How is the feeder suspended? Paintball would be quite effective, and inexpensive ones abound. RB
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Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed??


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Msg. 272732  Posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:12:57:

A friend has a bird feeder which she says 5-6 raccoons are reqularly raiding. She says that she has tried various means to keep them out, but nothing has worked. She inquired as to whether an airgun could be used to sting them in the behind as a deterrent. She does not wish to harm them, and ignored my suggestion about raccoon stew.
1) Would a suitable pellet, say a 14gr .22 at low velocity - 300fps? - sting them but not penetrate the skin? I have no idea how tough their hides are.
2) If so, would they even respond and leave the area?
3) If they took off, would they be back pretty soon again anyhow?

Thanks for your help & suggestions.

Mike U.

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Need a secondary gun...Comments on the QB88,Daisy 161 and Chinese B18?


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Msg. 272731  Posted by Josh P. on August 08, 2000 at 01:09:39:

I have a Steriod Ben/Sher 392 coming which is gonna be my hunting/long range airgun,now I need a .177 modestly powered plinking and starling(for when I dont feel like pumping the 392) gun.Can anyone give your opinions on the QB88,Daisy 161,and Chinese B18(this gun really isnt all that low powered,but a fast shootin' .177 would be nice to have in my arsenal too!).I would like realistic velocity figures for these guns too.Anybody know the Tech Force equivalent to the QB88,I havnt seen a site that shows the QB88,or its specs,I just figured the Tech Force 88 was the same thing.

TIA-Josh P.

PS-I will be scoping whichever gun I pick.
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You worry me a bit. How long did it take you to collect all these? : ) (nt)


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Msg. 272730  Posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 01:09:01:

In Reply to: Research These URLs.... posted by JohnD on August 08, 2000 at 00:34:17:

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Too Expensive, And They Would Not Make It As Nice As The Old Ones.(nt)


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Msg. 272729  Posted by Howard Chapman II on August 08, 2000 at 00:59:28:

In Reply to: Crosman 600 posted by tommy on August 07, 2000 at 23:06:57:

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Suggestion.


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Msg. 272728  Posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 00:55:53:

In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 12:56:36:

Try shooting some pellets with a larger head--make sure the head engages the rifling as well as the skirt.

I used to see this effect with undersize projectiles.
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The Bullet's Flight, by Dr Mann


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Msg. 272727  Posted by Rick on August 08, 2000 at 00:48:13:

In Reply to: Re: Peter, get counseling for your gun, pellets and you! posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 19:42:12:

Peter,
What you are describing is actually a spiral or cork screw trajectory. The effect is in the vertical as well as horizontal. You have simply compensated for the vertical. You can see this pattern in documentary films of gun camera footage. I have seen this with service rifle practice with cheap practice ammo...you could actually watch the bullet trace spiral through a spotting scope. I have experienced this effect with some bullet/powder combinations that got discarded very quickly. How to deal with this in an air rifle is something that I have not considered. It may be that a different weight or shape of pellet would perform differently. Perhaps a change of velocity as well. I have no idea at all what sort of stability factors apply to pellets. Bullets which are overstabilized may occasionally do this. One other possibility was mentioned in another post which involved a problem with the pellet. When the pellet is in the barrel it rotates around its geometic center. After it exits the muzzle it rotates around the center of gravity and if the two are not fairly close various things can happen. Dr Mann conducted experiments recorded in his book. One involved shooting at a series of paper targets which have been carefully aligned so that the trajectory of the bullet can be visualized. It is interesting reading from one point of view, but probably of limited use here. Try something different and see if the problem persists. It's most likely a combination of pellet/velocity/barrel twist and who knows what else. Good Luck
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Re: Sheridan Model B


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Msg. 272726  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 08, 2000 at 00:42:51:

In Reply to: Sheridan Model B posted by Reg on August 07, 2000 at 23:50:50:

Wow! Congratulations and enjoy it! It pays off to be watchful and patient.
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Re: Chips Ahoy? Got Milk? Heh heh heh heh LOL it's just one of those days! better than bitching.


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Msg. 272725  Posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 00:40:43:

In Reply to: Re: Chips Ahoy? Got Milk? Heh heh heh heh LOL it's just one of those days! better than bitching. posted by bearridge on August 07, 2000 at 23:14:26:

Did it look more like an Oreo? LOL
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Research These URLs....


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Msg. 272724  Posted by JohnD on August 08, 2000 at 00:34:17:

In Reply to: Army sniping and airguns..similarities ( don't laugh ) posted by Sid on August 07, 2000 at 21:52:45:

The top three sites have many military publications/documents of interest...
Some Definitions...
TM Technical Manual, info on a specific piece/type/model of equipment
FM Field Manual
FC Field Circular
TC Training Circular
AR Army Regulation (usually boring, administrative type material)

My favorite site
Center for Army Lessons Learned
http://call.army.mil/call/homepage/product5.htm

Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) pubs:
http://www-tradoc.monroe.army.mil/publica.htm

Army Corps of Engineers:
http://www.usace.army.mil/usace-docs
(Army engineering publications

Army Doctrine and Training Digital Library:
http://www.adtdl.army.mil
(Information on Army schools and Army documents.)

Here is a generic list of government/military sites


******** Web Sites ********

The following list of web site addresses may prove helpful. By providing these locations, we hope to reduce the time spent on searches and the resulting strain on automated systems. (Web sites are alphabetical in each category.)

Department, Command, Agency, Organization Home Pages

Army:
http://www.army.mil

Army Forces Command (FORSCOM):
http://www.forscom.army.mil

Army Materiel Command (AMC):
http://www.amc.army.mil


Army Medical Department (AMEDD):
http://www.armymedicine.army.mil/armymed/default2.htm

Army National Guard (ARNG):
http://www-ngb5.ngb.army.mil

Army Reserve Personnel Command (AR‑PERSCOM):
http://www.army.mil/usar/ar-perscom/arpercom.htm

Defense Finance and Accounting Service (DFAS) Indianapolis:

http://www.asafm.army.mil/DFAS

Department of the Army (DA):

http://www.hqda.army.mil

Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA):

http://www.disa.mil/disahomejs.html

Department of Defense (DOD):

http://www.defenselink.mil

General Services Administration (GSA):

http://www.gsa.gov

Logistics Support Activity (LOGSA) Redstone Arsenal, AL:

http://www.logsa.army.mil/intro.htm

National Guard:

http://www.ngb.dtic.mil

Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA):

http://www.osha.gov

Office of the Chief, Army Reserve (OCAR):

http://www.army.mil/usar/ocar.htm

Office of Personnel Management (OPM):

http://www.opm.gov

Reserve Affairs (Office of Assistant Secretary of Defense):

http://raweb.osd.mil

Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC):

http://www-tradoc.monroe.army.mil

U.S. Army Publications Agency (USAPA):

http://www.usapa.army.mil/gils/index.html

U.S. Army Reserve (USAR):

http://www.army.mil/usar

U.S. Army Reserve Command (USARC) INTERNET web site:

http://www.usarc.army.mil

U.S. Army Reserve Command (USARC) INTRANET web site:

http://usarcintra

(For authorized USAR users; no general public access.)

Forms, Publications, Magazines, etc.

Army Corps of Engineers:

http://www.usace.army.mil/usace-docs

(Army engineering publications.)

Army Doctrine and Training Digital Library:

http://www.adtdl.army.mil

(Information on Army schools and Army documents.)

Army Reserve Magazine:

http://www.army.mil/usar/armag/armag.htm

DOD electronic forms:

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/icdhome/ddeforms.htm

(Contains some forms not included on USAPA web site.)

FEDmanager:

http://www.fedmanager.com

(Weekly Newsletter for Federal Executives, Managers, and Supervisors.)

FORMDEPS (FORSCOM Regs 500-3-1 and 500-3-3:

http://freddie.forscom.army.mil/mob

FORSCOM electronic pubs and forms:

http://www.forscom.army.mil/pubs

GSA electronic forms:

http://www.gsa.gov/forms

IRS forms and publications:

http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/prod/forms_pubs/index.html

(Includes link to State Tax forms.)

LOGSA pubs and forms:

http://www.logsa.army.mil/pubs.htm

(Supply catalogs, technical manuals, PS Magazine, and more.)

Military periodicals:

http://www.dtic.mil/search97doc/aulimp/main.htm

(Index to Military Periodicals.)

Optional Forms (OFs):

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/icdhome/ofeforms.htm

(Contains some forms not included on USAPA web site.)

Soldiers Online – The Official Army Magazine:

http://www.dtic.mil/soldiers

Standard Forms (SFs):

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/icdhome/sfeforms.htm

(Contains some forms not included on USAPA web site.)

TRADOC pubs:

http://www-tradoc.monroe.army.mil/publica.htm

USAPA electronic pubs and forms:

http://www.usapa.army.mil

(ARs, Pams, Cirs, OFs, SFs, DD, and DA forms; Pubs Ordering System)

USARC form files on INTERNET FTP server:

ftp://www.usarc.army.mil

(Access to USARC form files; download individual files or *.zip file from “USARCForms” directory.)

USARC forms and pubs on INTRANET:

http://usarcintra/hqs/im/ima/imap/pubsform/pubforms.htm

(For authorized USAR users; no general public access.)

Pay and Finance

Army Financial Operations:
http://www.asafm.army.mil/financial.htm

(Pay rates, drill pay, travel voucher information.)

DFAS:

http://www.asafm.army.mil/DFAS

(Defense Finance and Accounting Service Indianapolis.)

OCAR Pay Support Center:

http://www.army.mil/usar/psc/ocarhp.htm

(Links to important USAR pay information.)

Per diem rates:

http://www.dtic.mil/perdiem/pdrates.html

USAR Enlistment/Reenlistment Bonuses and Incentives:

http://www.army.mil/usar/benefits/benefts5.htm

Family Support

Army Family Liaison home page:

http://www.hqda.army.mil/acsim/family/family.htm

Army Family Action Plan:

http://trol.redstone.army.mil/mwr/afap/index.html

Army Family Team Building:

http://trol.redstone.army.mil/mwr/aftb/index.html

DEERS E-mail:

http://www.ochampus.mil/DEERSAddress

(E-mail changes to Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System (DEERS).)

Military Assistance Program “MAPsite”:

http://dticaw.dtic.mil/mapsite

(Helpful information on family services, finances, and more.)

TAPS (Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors, Inc.):

http://dticaw.dtic.mil/mapsite

(Grief support and services for survivors of military line-of-duty deaths.)

U.S. Army Community and Family Support Center

Morale, Welfare, and Recreation (MWR):

http://trol.redstone.army.mil/mwr/index.html

(Helpful links to soldier and family issues, recreation, and more.)

Medical (training, benefits, etc.)

Army Medical Department (AMEDD):

http://www.armymedicine.army.mil/armymed/default2.htm

(Surgeon General, MEDCOM, TRICARE, other medical information.)

AMEDD Center and School:

http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil

AMEDD&S Circular 350-3:

http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/schedule

AMEDD Department of Training Support (DTS):

http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/DTS

Medical courses (online courses for continuing education):

http://www.medcen.com

Points of contacts for AMEDD DTS:

http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/DTS/pocs.htm

TRICARE Dental Plan (slide presentation):

http://www.asafm.army.mil/profdev/pdi97/workshop/wrkshp11/tsld034.htm

TRICARE information:

http://www-tradoc.army.mil/cmdpubs/tricare/toc.htm

(Enrollment, medical care, phone numbers, Q&A, retiree information.)

TRICARE Summary (slide presentation):

http://www.asafm.army.mil/profdev/pdi97/workshop/wrkshp11/tsld025.htm

U.S. Army Nurse Corps:

http://140.139.13.36/otsg/nurse

(Army Nurse Corps information and links.)

USAR Nursing Web:

http://140.139.90.71

(Site for communication between USAR nurses, information on projects.)

Education, Schools, and Training (other than Medical)

Army Doctrine and Training Digital Library:

http://www.adtdl.army.mil

(Information on Army schools and Army documents.)

Command and General Staff College:

http://www-cgsc.army.mil

Combined Arms and Services Staff School (CAS3):

http://www-cgsc.army.mil/cas3

TRADOC:

http://www-tradoc.monroe.army.mil

Uniforms

Army Ribbons Order of Precedence:

http://www.dtic.mil/soldiers/jan1998/ribbons/ribbonsleft1.html

Clothing allowances:

http://www.lewis.army.mil/9fb/soldier/clothing.htm

Clothing and Individual Equipment (CIE):

http://www.forscom.army.mil/ocie

(Organizational CIE (OCIE), civilian clothing allowances, and more.)

Decorations, service medals, etc.:

http://www.mdw.army.mil/dcsper/wearing.htm

Other Helpful Web Sites

Armed Forces Recreation Centers:

http://trol.redstone.army.mil/mwr/afrcs/index.html

Army Lodging:

http://trol.redstone.army.mil/mwr/lodging/maps/index.html

(Lodging success, standards, and world wide facilities.)

Army Reserve Benefits:

http://www.army.mil/usar/benefits/toc_bnft.htm

Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve:

http://www.ncesgr.osd.mil

Federal Voting Assistance Program:

http://www.fvap.gov

Reserve Component Automated Sytem (RCAS)

Information Network Service:

http://55.81.20.248

(Important RCAS fielding, release, shipping, and other information.)

RCAS Project Manager’s Web Site:

http://www.rcas.com

USAR Public Affairs:

http://www.army.mil/usar/usarlink.htm

United Parcel Service:

http://www.ups.com

(Home page; track packages and more.)

U.S. Postal Service:

http://www.usps.gov

(Home page; mail manuals, rate calculations, zip codes, and more.)

Veterans Affairs (VA):

http://www.va.gov

(Information on VA benefits, programs, facilities, and more.)

Below is a GREAT LIST of intelligence web sites from numerous

sources.

BEST INTEL WEBSITE

http://www.fas.org/irp/

LINKS TO MANY SITES:

http://nsi.org/

http://mprofaca.cro.net/kimirror.html

http://www.loyola.edu/dept/politics/intel.html

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/libraries/indiv/dsc/intell.html

http://.kimsoft.com/kim-spy.htm

http://www.zgram.net/

NY TIMES 1998 CIA PAGE (Tim Weiner)

http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/cia-diningmain.html

SEARCHABLE DATABASES:

http://intellit.muskingum.edu/intellsite/index.html (Ransom Clark)

http://webcom.com/%7Epinknoiz/covert/ciabasesearch.html (CIABase)

INTELLIGENCE REFORM (1996)

http://www.access.gpo.gov/int/report.html (Aspin / Brown)

http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house/intel/ic21/ic21_toc.html (IC21)

http://www.foreignrelations.org/studies/transcripts/970218.html (CFR)

SPECIAL REPORTS

http://www.carnegie.org/deadly/0697warning.htm (warning, 1997)

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_cr/s980731-rumsfeld.htm (Rumsfeld, 98)

http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/news/19980222.htm (Bay Pigs)

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/jeremiah.html (Jeremiah '98)

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/cocaine2/index.html (cocaine)

BUSINESS (COMPETITIVE) INTELLIGENCE

http://www.AuroraWDC.com

http://www.lookoutpoint.com/index.html

http://www.scip.org/

http://www.stratfor.com/

http://www.opsec.org/

http://www.pcic.net/

http://www.inel.gov/resources/newsletters/dragonsbreath/dragbreath.html

http://pathfinder.com/@@y7yrfauarijhm2qe/fortune/1997/970217/boo.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwecon.html

http://www.asia-research.com/JI2000.html (Japanese)

JOBS & CAREERS

http://www.intelstudents.org/

http://www.pcic.net/

http://www.gworx.com/iisd

http://www.odci.gov/cia/employment/appframe.htm

HUMINT

http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwspy.html

http://www3.theatlantic.com/issues/98feb/cia.htm

SIGINT

http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwsigin.html

IMINT

http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwimint.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/kh-12.htm

MASINT

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/masint_evaluation_rep.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1996_rpt/ic21/ic21007.htm

OSINT

http://www.oss.net/

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/oss980501.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwecon.html

INTELLIGENCE ANALYSIS

http://www.odci.gov/cia/di/index.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/gentry/index.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/int012.html

COUNTERINTELLIGENCE

http://www.nacic.gov/ (NACIC)

http://www.fbi.gov/ansir/ansir.htm (FBI)

http://www.dtic.mil/dodsi/researc2.html

http://www.loyola.edu/dept/politics/hula/hitzrept.html (Ames)

http://www.inel.gov/resources/newsletters/dragonsbreath/dragbreath.html

COVERT ACTION

http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/cia-invismain.html

INFORMATION WARFARE

http://www.infowar.com/

http://jya.com/crypto.htm

CIA, Center for Study of Intelligence

http://www.odci.gov/csi/

CIA FOIA documents

http://www.foia.ucia.gov/

CIA WORLD FACTBOOK (not about intelligence, but indispensable)

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

DIA

http://140.47.5.4/foia/foia.html

NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVE (declassified documents)

http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/

CRITICS OF THE CIA & INTELLIGENCE

http://www.us.net/cip/cia.htm (Mel Goodman)

http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/briefs/vol3/v3n20hri.htm (IPS)

http://www3.theatlantic.com/issues/98feb/cia.htm (Shirley)

http://www.members.tripod.com/CIABASE/index.html (McGehee)

http://www.angelfire.com/id/ciadrugs/

http://www.radio4all.org/crackcia/

SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE

http://www.senate.gov/committee/intelligence.html

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES

http://www.cc.umist.ac.uk/sk/index.html (UK)

http://www.pro.gov.uk/releases/soe-europe.htm (SOE)

http://www.mi5.gov.uk/ (UK, MI-5)

http://www.open.gov.uk/co/cim/cimrep1.htm (UK)

http://www.gchq.gov.uk/ (UK, GCHQ)

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/ (Canada, CSIS)

http://www.cse.dnd.ca/cse/english/home_1.html (Canada)

ON LINE JOURNALS

http://www.afji.com/ (AFJI)

http://www.awgnet.com/aviation/index.htm (Aviation Week)

http://www.milparade.ru/ (military-related publicatons)

SPECIAL REPORTS

http://www.carnegie.org/deadly/0697warning.htm (warning, 1997)

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_cr/s980731-rumsfeld.htm (Rumsfeld, 98)

http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/news/19980222.htm (Bay Pigs)

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/jeremiah.html (Jeremiah('98)

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/cocaine2/index.html (cocaine)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/drugs/front.htm

PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS

http://www.his.com/~afio/ (AFIO)

http://www.nmia.org/ (NMIA)

http://www.xmission.com:80/~nip/ (NIP)

http://www.oss.net/ (OSS)

http://www.aochq.org/ (Old Crows)

http://www.opsec.org/ (OPSEC pros)

http://www.afcea.com/ (AFCEA)

http://www.cloakanddagger.com/dagger (Cloak & Dagger Books)

http://intelligence-history.wiso.uni-erlangen.de/ (history grp,German)

http://www.covertcomic.com/CovertComicJokes.htm (CIA jokester)

LISTSERVS (discussion)

http://www.xmission.com:80/~nip/ (Naval Intelligence Professionals)

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kies/kia4th.htm (Cloaks & Daggers)



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Re: Weihrauch,Beeman,Marksman What are the differences


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Msg. 272723  Posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 00:34:03:

In Reply to: Weihrauch,Beeman,Marksman What are the differences posted by TStray on August 07, 2000 at 23:53:40:

The R-9 and R-11 have the same mechanicals. The Marksmans are USUALLY less fancy than the Beeman guns and may have a different warranty. RB
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Re: Weihrauch,Beeman,Marksman What are the differences


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Msg. 272722  Posted by LOU V.K. on August 08, 2000 at 00:22:44:

In Reply to: Weihrauch,Beeman,Marksman What are the differences posted by TStray on August 07, 2000 at 23:53:40:

Well, for starters, S.R. Industries is the owner of both Beeman, and, Marksman. Beeman manufactures absolutely nothing. The company is strictly an importer/distributor. Marksman used to be an importer of adult grade airguns,like the one that you just bought, but, has specialised in the manufacture of toys for children, some that they make, and, some that they import.

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Re: replace 2240 barrell


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Msg. 272721  Posted by Gus on August 08, 2000 at 00:22:15:

In Reply to: replace 2240 barrell posted by Charles Fox on August 07, 2000 at 23:57:36:

OOPS! - should of mentioned........if you order the 2260
barrel then also order another barrel band - the longer
barrel needs the extra support. the barrel should
run around 12.00 and the barrel band is just a few bux.
Available direct through the factory...someone on the
list should be able to tell you how to get there (sorry,
I'm in Canada and only have CDN sources)

Best regards - Gus
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Volume


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Msg. 272720  Posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 00:13:08:

In Reply to: Cost of Airgun Components? posted by Happy Gardener on August 06, 2000 at 14:48:40:

You left volume buying out of the equation. The aftermarket spring you buy for $40 may very well be available for $1 if you buy 5000.
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Re: replace 2240 barrell


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Msg. 272719  Posted by GUS on August 08, 2000 at 00:09:52:

In Reply to: replace 2240 barrell posted by Charles Fox on August 07, 2000 at 23:57:36:

Charles - you might want to consider a 2260 barrel
as the extra length will boost the fps. You'll need
a .050 allen wrench for the breech screw (move the
bolt back and look immediately in front of the probe).
Otherwise, the barrel is a simple replacement. Another easy
mod is to remove the grips and replace the sear spring with
a lighter one to improve the trigger.

Have fun - gus
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The point. (Repeat from below.)


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Msg. 272718  Posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 00:09:14:

In Reply to: Re: Pretty loud really posted by MooCow on August 07, 2000 at 16:16:03:

The issue is not one of legality, it concerns whether or not we should make this forum a target by continually discussing topics which are certain to eventually draw the attention of those with whom we would all rather not have dealings.

For the record I support everyone's right to free speech and expression. For that matter, it is my opinion that people should pretty much be allowed to do anything they want as long as it has no negative impact on others. You may note that my opinion is considerably more lenient than the law. However, it seems reasonable to me, that if you intend to (or make it appear that you intend to) engage in activities of questionable legality or high controversy, that you should keep a low profile so as to be allowed to continue your pursuit of happiness unhindered.

My definition of a low profile does not include posting such intent on a public forum.
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Re: QB78 Stock Blanks


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Msg. 272717  Posted by Sammy on August 08, 2000 at 00:07:37:

In Reply to: Re: QB78 Stock Blanks posted by Don Main on August 07, 2000 at 22:03:22:

Will do Don.
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I didn't see anyone question the issue of rights.


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Msg. 272716  Posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 00:02:04:

In Reply to: Our right to gather and speak posted by The Airgun Letter on August 07, 2000 at 19:59:54:

The issue was whether or not we should make this forum a target by continually discussing topics which are certain to eventually draw the attention of those with whom we would all rather not have dealings.

For the record I support everyone's right to free speech and expression. For that matter, it is my opinion that people should pretty much be allowed to do anything they want as long as it has no negative impact on others. You may note that my opinion is considerably more lenient than the law. However, it seems reasonable to me, that if you intend to (or make it appear that you intend to) engage in activities of questionable legality or high controversy, that you should keep a low profile so as to be allowed to continue your pursuit of happiness unhindered.

My definition of a low profile does not include posting such intent on a public forum.
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replace 2240 barrell


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Msg. 272715  Posted by Charles Fox on August 07, 2000 at 23:57:36:

I just purchase a stock for my crosman 2240. What barrell would you suggest as a replacement? Is it a difficult job? Will I need any special tools. Keep in mind that I am atotal novice. Thanks in advance.
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Re: pellets and bowling balls?


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Msg. 272714  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 23:56:53:

In Reply to: Re: pellets and bowling balls? posted by Tir on August 07, 2000 at 21:05:25:

Most rifling is RH twist. But some aren't. Considering that pellets rotate at 30 to 40K rpm, pellet balance could be a cause if there are tiny flaws in the lead. If anything affects the barrel harmonic nodes, a different POI could also be seen. RB
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Starling Hunting and Trapping


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Msg. 272713  Posted by Steve Forbes on August 07, 2000 at 23:56:24:

Guys please check out my new web page. It it still very much a work in progress. As I do more research on the subject I will
be adding more pages to the site and more info. Please feel free to give me feedback and your suggestions.

http://www.geocities.com/starlingkiller/

Happy Shooting

Thanks

Steve
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Re: I'll look into that.....


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Msg. 272712  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 23:55:59:

In Reply to: I'll look into that..... posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 16:53:07:

Moly may wick moister.and cake up some.seems to work better on piston guns and springs from what i see
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Starling Hunting and Trapping


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Msg. 272711  Posted by Steve Forbes on August 07, 2000 at 23:55:21:

Guys please check out my new web page. It it still very much a work in progress. As I do more research on the subject I will
be adding more pages to the site and more info. Please feel free to give me feedback and your suggestions.

www.geocities.com/starlingkiller/

Happy Shooting

Thanks

Steve
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Weihrauch,Beeman,Marksman What are the differences


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Msg. 272710  Posted by TStray on August 07, 2000 at 23:53:40:

I just bought a Marksman rifle that is identical to the Beeman R11 except that the barrel is full legnth with a muzzle brake,not the sleeved carbine barrel that you find on the Beeman marked R11.I am wondering what other differences there are between these two otherwise identical rifles.
Do they both have the famed Rekord trigger ?
Who sells the Marksman line?
Is the R11 the same as the R9 with a FT stock ?
I have read that Marksman now owns Beeman and am wondering how long these Marksman badged rifles have been on the market ?
Thanks, You guys never let me down. I have learned so much in the last 2 years just reading all of the online forums.

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Re: What's the procedure to lube pellets with Slick50 One Lube?


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Msg. 272709  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 23:51:57:

In Reply to: What's the procedure to lube pellets with Slick50 One Lube? posted by tommy on August 07, 2000 at 23:02:41:

You don't need a lot. Spread them onto a paper towel and spritz them. Roll them back and forth by grasping both ends of the towel, then repeat. All done. RB
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Sheridan Model B


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Msg. 272708  Posted by Reg on August 07, 2000 at 23:50:50:

It took me two years but I finally found a Sheridan model B on ebay. Which I purchased for
$411.00. It is in perfect working order but the
paint on the tube and barrel is in poor condition.The stock will clean up good.I feel very lucky and thought that I would share my good fortune with fellow collectors.
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rebadged El Gamo's nt


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Msg. 272707  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 23:49:44:

In Reply to: Savage air rifles posted by john on August 07, 2000 at 23:20:19:

nt
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Re: Camp Pistol


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Msg. 272706  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 23:48:59:

In Reply to: Camp Pistol posted by bearridge on August 07, 2000 at 23:26:50:

Wives are like that. Mine was hell on wheels with a Sheridan and a FWB 124. RB
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Re: Crosman 2260 QB78


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Msg. 272705  Posted by James L on August 07, 2000 at 23:44:44:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2260 QB78 posted by Robert Geiger on August 07, 2000 at 20:08:31:

The biggesty difference is that the QB has a STEEL Reciever and the 2260 has a PLASTIC reciever. QB will last infinately longer.
James L
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Re: RWWS Model 48


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Msg. 272704  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 23:41:34:

In Reply to: Re: RWWS Model 48 posted by matt sudol on August 07, 2000 at 16:37:05:

what pellet weight and type?
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An even better way to not get shot.


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Msg. 272703  Posted by John Sa. on August 07, 2000 at 23:41:08:

In Reply to: Re: Why silencers? posted by John on August 07, 2000 at 18:04:22:

Don't engage in activities where your friends try to shoot you.
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Disrespect for age is a common symptom of lack of wisdom.


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Msg. 272702  Posted by John Sa. on August 07, 2000 at 23:39:04:

In Reply to: Well thanks a lot grandpa! posted by John on August 07, 2000 at 11:42:32:

Since you brought it up.
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Re: Why silencers?


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Msg. 272701  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 23:27:03:

In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

they can have a sharp crack if they have the power..not good for the ears if done enough
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Camp Pistol


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Msg. 272700  Posted by bearridge on August 07, 2000 at 23:26:50:

In Reply to: Re:Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by matt sudol on August 07, 2000 at 20:53:07:

Matt,

I only know about one pellet pistol, the P-1. I
have just gotten one on what I think is pretty good
advice. In .20 it will make the empty can "hop"
rather than merely exhibit a hole. I don't know
about your camp, but I think it deserves a look.

Only problem I have encountered is my wife's
shooting skill. Mine shoots at 485 fps with Silver
Stings.

bearridge


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Re: Dry Firing


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Msg. 272699  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 23:21:54:

In Reply to: Dry Firing posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 15:11:23:

in short yes.it can hurt.but i think some can handle 1 or 2 goofs..you stress the spring & if theres just the right amount of lube you burn the piston seal up
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Savage air rifles


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Msg. 272698  Posted by john on August 07, 2000 at 23:20:19:

Is anyone familiar with the air rifles being sold buy Savage arms??? Are they a rebox of another brand?? I was entertained by there 25 shot auto loading .177cal rifle although its rated at 600fps. Any comments are appreciated.
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Re: Why the Dealer


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Msg. 272697  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 23:14:34:

In Reply to: Re: Why the Dealer posted by Art on August 07, 2000 at 19:47:13:

he who has the power makes the rules..i think thats why
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Re: Chips Ahoy? Got Milk? Heh heh heh heh LOL it's just one of those days! better than bitching.


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Msg. 272696  Posted by bearridge on August 07, 2000 at 23:14:26:

In Reply to: Re: Chips Ahoy? Got Milk? Heh heh heh heh LOL it's just one of those days! better than bitching. posted by Lew on August 07, 2000 at 20:17:28:

I was reading these posts when I suddenly got the
Stephen King version. I pictured Mike Tyson
smiling with milk on his upper lip and something
that looks like a Chip's Ahoy in his mouth....not
exactly.

bearridge
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Webley FX2000


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Msg. 272695  Posted by Keith on August 07, 2000 at 23:09:59:

Hello does anyone out there have experience with the Webley FX2000?
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Crosman 600


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Msg. 272694  Posted by tommy on August 07, 2000 at 23:06:57:

The Crosman 600 seems like a popular pistol. I'm curious about why Crosman doesn't reintroduce or remanufacture the pistol? Any thoughts on this?
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Msg. 272693  Posted by Willey M on August 07, 2000 at 23:03:55:

In Reply to: Review of Dave Gunter's power mod on .25 cal Quackenbush 2240 pistol. (Long) posted by Mike T. on August 07, 2000 at 19:14:07:

Mike, before last week I had nothing to compare the .25 2240 to. Last Thursday I picked up a 2250 to play with. That .25 seems to hit closer to what I'm shooting than the 2250, but with the trigger stock it's impossible to tell. I've got a red dot on mine and the muzzle weight helps in all kinds of ways!

You still have pictures of yours somewhere?...Willey


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What's the procedure to lube pellets with Slick50 One Lube?


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Msg. 272692  Posted by tommy on August 07, 2000 at 23:02:41:

My job took me to Decatur, AL and I had the opportunity to pick up 4 cans of Slick50 One Lube at Advanced Auto Parts store #09110 for $2.44/can. My question is what is the best procedure to lube pellets with this product. A little goes a long way or should I spray on ample amounts?
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Crosman 600 Warning


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Msg. 272691  Posted by chasm on August 07, 2000 at 22:26:40:

Fellow American Airgunners,

RB's post below where he talks about the pleasure he's enjoying from his new Crosman 600 acquisition reminded me of an experience I had at this year's Little Rock Airgun Show. Be aware that there are folks who are buying up all the Crosman 600's that they can get their hands on for export to Europe where CO2 stuff is hot right now. I met folks at Little Rock whose aim was just that. My advice, if you are at all interested in a 600, is to acquire one ASAP as they will undoubtably get harder and harder to get as time passes. MHO

chasm
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Msg. 272690  Posted by Rx4TRBL on August 07, 2000 at 22:24:26:

In Reply to: Re: Army sniping and airguns..similarities ( don't laugh ) posted by Don Main on August 07, 2000 at 22:14:43:


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Msg. 272689  Posted by Don Main on August 07, 2000 at 22:14:43:

In Reply to: Army sniping and airguns..similarities ( don't laugh ) posted by Sid on August 07, 2000 at 21:52:45:

Sounds very interesting. Where did you get the down load? Would like to read it.
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Re: Yep! Old Bubba noticed this too


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Msg. 272688  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 22:14:04:

In Reply to: Yep! posted by DaveG on August 07, 2000 at 13:20:25:

My buddy Bubba (guru and prophet of the Ozarks) once mentioned observing this effect while shooting pellet pistols. All this time, I thought he'd been too heavy into the Carlos Casteneda books ! RB:>)
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Msg. 272687  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 22:07:41:

In Reply to: Re: Freaking Out posted by Dan D on August 07, 2000 at 15:55:16:

met Stirling Moss and Graham Hill many years ago at the Glen. Met Carroll Shelby and Jimmy Clark that year too. I met Jackie Stewart at the German GP at Nurburgring in '71. Got some photo's of it too! Another surprise I met at Nurburgring was actress/ racer Elke Sommer ! Matter of fact, the 'Ring in '71 is full of wild stories ! What a blast. RB
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Re: QB78 Stock Blanks


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Msg. 272686  Posted by Don Main on August 07, 2000 at 22:03:22:

In Reply to: Re: QB78 Stock Blanks posted by Sammy on August 07, 2000 at 21:36:08:

Thanks Sammy would like to see a pix of your finished stock.
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Msg. 272685  Posted by vZc® on August 07, 2000 at 22:03:19:

... = Sectional Density
don't recollect a treatise including the SD aspect

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very nice site !!...........nt


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Msg. 272684  Posted by Tom B on August 07, 2000 at 22:00:34:

In Reply to: IZH 60/61 page, URL inside...... posted by Chavez on August 07, 2000 at 12:53:37:

X
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Re: What are the differances between


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Msg. 272683  Posted by Larz on August 07, 2000 at 21:59:08:

In Reply to: What are the differances between posted by Waddle_TheFuzzyDuck on August 07, 2000 at 19:59:10:

I have it on good authority that the new MKIII is lighter, easier to pump and has a different stock configuration than it's predecessor.

I also here it's gonna be about $100.00+ more as well.

Later

Larz
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Werewolf of London


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Msg. 272682  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 21:56:35:

In Reply to: Before Airguns posted by bearridge on August 07, 2000 at 21:36:04:

Bear: it's amazing what a tent, a campfire and a guitar will do to women. Learned it a long time ago. It must be primal.
Haaaaa Ooooooo- werewolf of London.
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Amateur Radio still No.1, Railroading, Woodworking (nt)


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Msg. 272681  Posted by MarkWBŘSYV on August 07, 2000 at 21:54:39:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

Airgunning is a great pasttime for relaxation and improving concentration.

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Msg. 272679  Posted by Sid on August 07, 2000 at 21:52:45:

I managed to find the US Army Snipers Training
Manual as a free download and oh boy was I happy
to read it.Very useful information.

I think there are a lot of similarities between
Army sniping and airgun hunting.Like...

We are both dealing with a very curved projectile
flightpath..the sniper because of the extreme
ranges he works at and us because our guns are
so low powered (especially here in the 12ftlb UK)

Windage considerations ditto..the sniper because
of range,the airgun hunter due to low power again

Fieldcraft and concealment are important to us
because our effective hunting range is so short
and to the sniper..well for obvious reasons.

First round accuracy needed in all cases.

Plenty more but I won't bore you all to death...

I am glad there are some startling differences too
..like I have never had a couple of crows call an
airstrike in on me and our rabbits don't usually
carry machine guns.....



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How about a website called P.T.Barnum.com?


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Msg. 272678  Posted by DougWall on August 07, 2000 at 21:52:04:

In Reply to: 3rd Airgun Digest being auctioned / auction thoughts in general posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 12:55:35:

Barnum said it right- "There's a sucker born every minute."
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Re: Women...(nt)


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Msg. 272677  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 21:51:44:

In Reply to: Women...(nt) posted by DaveG on August 07, 2000 at 11:16:14:

dave: you too? We should compare notes ! Just don't ask me about Martha Stewart, OK? LOL Russ
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Msg. 272676  Posted by Sammy on August 07, 2000 at 21:51:29:

In Reply to: Re: benjamin sheridan stock vs sm1000 stock 22cal posted by Jim G. on August 07, 2000 at 20:22:20:

I agree with everything Jim G. said about James at Fun Supply. Good guy to do business with.
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Shooting Gallery Sites?


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Msg. 272675  Posted by Tony Clifton on August 07, 2000 at 21:50:26:

Anyone know of sites devoted to mechanical shooting galleries suitable for pellet guns? got thirty feet in the basement, 2 eager kids, and a pile of air and Co2 guns. Thanks.
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Re: B L 8-32x Scope. Pros and Cons???


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Msg. 272674  Posted by Dr.J. on August 07, 2000 at 21:50:07:

In Reply to: B L 8-32x Scope. Pros and Cons??? posted by dscott on August 07, 2000 at 18:34:51:

I have evaluated a half dozen B&L 6-24x40mm scopes and they are invariably bright, extremely sharp, and have high contrast. I have an Elite 4000 6-24 and an old Balvar 6-24x40mm with oversized tgt knobs. Both are fine scopes and the 4000 focuses down to under 10 yds. I haven't seen the Elite 4200 8-32x40mm yet but I am concerned that the exit pupil at 32x will be small and rarely used for other than benchrest shooting on a bright day. Mt friend just bought the 8x32 and likes his 4200 6-24 better because the 6x with wider field is more useful than the 32x with narrow field and small exit pupil. I think the B&L (now Bushnell) Elite 4200 6-24 is the sharpest scope on the market anywhere near its price. It is airgun rated. Dr.J.
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Msg. 272673  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 21:48:09:

In Reply to: Re: You betcha ! posted by Matt Donovan on August 07, 2000 at 21:19:11:

I'll bet my neighbor thinks I'm making popcorn. Heh heh Russ
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Re: Before Airguns


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Msg. 272672  Posted by Matt Donovan on August 07, 2000 at 21:47:11:

In Reply to: Before Airguns posted by bearridge on August 07, 2000 at 21:36:04:

Motorcycles - Observed trials, enduro and road bikes
Antique outboard motors - Anybody have a nice airgun they want to trade for for a 1929 ELTO Speedster?
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Re: B L 8-32x Scope. Pros and Cons???


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Msg. 272671  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 21:42:35:

In Reply to: B L 8-32x Scope. Pros and Cons??? posted by dscott on August 07, 2000 at 18:34:51:

Brad troyer has been playing with one for a while you might email him through the AAFTA website and ask him..he did give an idea it was a nice scope but missed the mark when it comes to the lens size..its 40mm ..i have yet seen a post on the swift 8x32x 50 but "think" for under $200 it should be pretty good
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Recrown the gun and check the barrel for pitting or damage


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Msg. 272670  Posted by Spunky on August 07, 2000 at 21:38:48:

In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 12:56:36:

It's the problem that the MD is talking about but bigger due to obstruction, bad crown, or imperfect land or crove or bad breach loading.


I am spunky and I am funky,
Just like my sister who is a monkey
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Msg. 272669  Posted by Sammy on August 07, 2000 at 21:36:08:

In Reply to: QB78 Stock Blanks posted by Don Main on August 07, 2000 at 20:42:49:

Don I don't know how anyone could have misunderstood. It seemed clear to me.
Also just wanted to let you know that mine came out great. Is is beautiful. Thanks again
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Before Airguns


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Msg. 272668  Posted by bearridge on August 07, 2000 at 21:36:04:

In Reply to: Re: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bcd on August 06, 2000 at 23:06:42:

bcd,

It wasn't a very carefully thought out question.
I don't mean obsession in a clinical sense.

Before spending an amazing amount of time on/with
airguns I lived for whitewater canoeing. I am
still obsessed with it, but when you start getting
old like Unc and that old fart on the bluff, you
start thinking about revisiting the Buffalo or
some of the "scenic" rivers.

I am obsessed with paddling the Grand Canyon in a
canoe, but I ran into some difficult obstacles this
summer. I am also obsessed with music and a
campfire in the woods....watching the stars as you
fall asleep is beyond my ability to describe.

bearridge

P.S. I didn't realize running was an obsession
until after two marathons. Then it became a fond
memory for the same reason.

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Msg. 272667  Posted by Jason on August 07, 2000 at 21:27:54:

In Reply to: RWS M-48 (20cal) VS Beeman R-9 " Gold Finger " (20cal) posted by Bud on August 07, 2000 at 14:23:58:

The RWS-48 shoots a lot harder than the R-9. Cp 14.3g at 765 compared to 635fps for the R-9
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Msg. 272666  Posted by Matt Donovan on August 07, 2000 at 21:19:11:

In Reply to: You betcha ! posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 21:01:30:

Russ,
Let me guess! You're typing with you left hand (finger?),shooting with the right and one of your kids is reloading?
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Thank You So Much


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Msg. 272665  Posted by Sammy on August 07, 2000 at 21:17:56:

In Reply to: Our right to gather and speak posted by The Airgun Letter on August 07, 2000 at 19:59:54:

I have been wanting to say the same thing for weeks but have chosen not to because I did not want to suffer the wrath of those who disagree. I just decided not to post anymore on these subjects that make so many people on this board so angry and uncomfortable.

Thanks for saying what you said as I know you stand a better chance of not being verbally assaulted since you are the board moderator. Oops
Regards
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Msg. 272664  Posted by Mark er on August 07, 2000 at 21:14:52:

In Reply to: RWS M-48 (20cal) VS Beeman R-9 " Gold Finger " (20cal) posted by Bud on August 07, 2000 at 14:23:58:

Oh and the R-9 goldfinger is $396.00
--Mark

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Msg. 272663  Posted by MarkD on August 07, 2000 at 21:13:42:

In Reply to: Re: OK, more data: posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 19:37:54:

Ok two more ideas take the HW97 with you and what ever gun you were using and shoot them alternating or have Jany (hope I spelled that right) shoot right along side of you simultaneosly if both guns do the samr thing then I would suggest plan 2-Take several bottles of wine, your favorite vintage drink one prior to shooting then afterwards drink two while evaluating the results he he!!
I do believe there is an outside source causing this, or could it be that the moon and the earth are not lined up right?
Good luck
MarkD
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Msg. 272661  Posted by Mark er on August 07, 2000 at 21:11:55:

In Reply to: RWS M-48 (20cal) VS Beeman R-9 " Gold Finger " (20cal) posted by Bud on August 07, 2000 at 14:23:58:

I got a flyer in the mail the other day from Airgun Express. They have a sale on RWS 48 for $309.50.
--Mark

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Russ when I had one...


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Msg. 272660  Posted by Steve in CT on August 07, 2000 at 21:07:54:

In Reply to: Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:

Mine used to love the dome pellets. The rounded the better. Stay away from pointed pellets for you will get a lot of jamming.
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Re: pellets and bowling balls?


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Msg. 272659  Posted by Tir on August 07, 2000 at 21:05:25:

In Reply to: OK, more data: posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 18:55:08:

Sounds like a nice *bowling* hook to me, lol ... Seriously - at the risk of sounding ridiculous, but realizing that it doesn't hurt to take a stab I'm thinking that the flight deviation might have something to do with the changing of the opposing forces of velocity, drag and spin? For example, with a bowling ball the initial velocity imposed on the ball by the bowler overrides the effect of the intentional spin also imparted to the ball during its delivery. As the ball progresses down the lane forward velocity diminishes (due in part to the drag/friction imposed by the ball's contact with the lane) allowing the imparted spin to have the greater effect (augmented by the ball's off center weighting). The result is a ball that initially travels wider in the direction of it's initial thrust, but then as velocity drops, swings back in the opposite direction in reaction to the force of rotation.

Now while all this is greatly exaggerated in this example as relates to a .177 pellet (specifically the off center weighting - deliberate in a bowling ball,... undesireable, yet probably present in most pellets)might the two behaviors be similar in their dynamics? The pellet is initially more affected by the initial forward thrust of the gun's action, then as velocity diminishes becomes more greatly subject to the rotational *wobble* imparted by any off center imperfections in the pellet, resulting in a lateral shift in direction?

What direction does a pellet rotate as a result of a barrel's rifling? If the spin is counterclockwise ('anti- clockwise' for you Peter ;) this might bear out the theory of the leftward drifting flight line.

If the rifling imparts a clockwise spin I would expect the directional shift to be opposite.

Either that or I'm all wet ... take your pick :)

Tim

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Msg. 272658  Posted by Carl on August 07, 2000 at 21:04:42:

In Reply to: Review of Dave Gunter's power mod on .25 cal Quackenbush 2240 pistol. (Long) posted by Mike T. on August 07, 2000 at 19:14:07:

Can you post more info about the cost of the Quackenbush gun mods. Is this available in .20?

thanks,

Carl
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Msg. 272657  Posted by AC on August 07, 2000 at 21:03:36:

In Reply to: offhand springer shooters -- accuracy poll... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:23:37:

I haven't been shooting long and am just getting to where I can shoot ragged one-hole groups at 20 yards bench-rested with an R7. But I'd be very happy shooting 1/2" groups off hand at 20 yards.
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Msg. 272656  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 21:01:30:

In Reply to: Re:Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by matt sudol on August 07, 2000 at 20:53:07:

It's an A#1 rat buster( not bad a frog floggin' either!)Ever had frogs legs sauteed in butter and shallots? Yummy ! RB
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Msg. 272655  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 20:57:03:

In Reply to: Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:

I have all those pellets in stock, so it's up to yours truly to go out and expend some gas(woops! --Damn broccoli!). I'll stop at Walmarts for a couple 25 packs of carts tomorrow(and a bag of plastic soldiers). I also have some of the old pepper can super pells on hand, but they need a Balsitol Bath tonite. RB
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Msg. 272654  Posted by bcd on August 07, 2000 at 20:55:20:

In Reply to: OK, more data: posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 18:55:08:

I'm not familar with the pellet shape. Is it "domed"?

It sounds a bit like the pellet is yawing and precessing
as a result, causing the yaw to change. Groups opening
up more than you're expecting is an additional cue.

Yawing would be a spin problem which leads back to
perhaps some fouling of the rifling, undersized
pellets, etc.

I doubt it's Coriolis if indeed you are seeing an
an "inflection" in the flight path, i.e. out and
back sort of effect.

If I'm reading the post correctly, the close-in
groups must be pretty tight. If so, then with
finer steps, e.g. one meter, you should be able to
see how close it comes to a smooth curve like a
half cosine, vs. just being erratic.

I'd clean the barrel first, it's easier :-)

One last thought. At the energy level you gave,
each distance requires a different hold (I'm also
assuming you've been using a rest). In my limited
experience, I've noticed POI shift as I make very
subtle changes in position of the gun on the rest.
The "bedding" of the barrel and action of an air
gun are far from top quality, so you can draw the
obvious conclusion.
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Msg. 272653  Posted by matt sudol on August 07, 2000 at 20:53:07:

In Reply to: Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:

I think this will be the camp pistol.
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QB78 Stock Blanks


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Msg. 272652  Posted by Don Main on August 07, 2000 at 20:42:49:

There seams to be some misunderstanding about the stock blanks. Please know that these are only blanks rough cut to let in the QB78 and The edges are only rounded over, They are sanded to only 80 grit. And are ment to be finished by the shooter.
I apologize if any one thought they were looking at a finished stock.

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Msg. 272651  Posted by Sidelever_Freak on August 07, 2000 at 20:30:06:

In Reply to: " You would think 'b' should get a significantly higher score " : yes ... posted by Speed_Freak on August 07, 2000 at 20:23:54:

... plus + POI_distance or times distance for a confidence factor
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Msg. 272650  Posted by Speed_Freak on August 07, 2000 at 20:23:54:

In Reply to: Re: RWS Sidelever accuracy contest [ group, velocity + grains] posted by Jerold Burrow on August 07, 2000 at 15:47:46:

equal point calculation but higher ranking :
a primary objective is accuracy with more power because of the prevailing usage wisdom of lessor powered rifles.

if U could get 1600 fps with .25" groups from a sidelever, then you win.
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Msg. 272649  Posted by Jim G. on August 07, 2000 at 20:22:20:

In Reply to: benjamin sheridan stock vs sm1000 stock 22cal posted by green on August 07, 2000 at 20:09:50:

You can't go wrong dealing with James Kitching at FunSupply. He does test fire all the Chinese guns he sells and can be of assistance with the distributor if some unusual problem comes up. His prices are probably as good as you can find, and with his service and advice, that's tough to beat.
I have a B22 that I keep trying to refine into a "FT special" and it's been a lot of fun shooting.
Good luck with whatever you get.
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Msg. 272648  Posted by chasm on August 07, 2000 at 20:17:49:

In Reply to: Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:

Russ,

On reading your post I got out my 600 and tried several different types of pellets. FTS's, CP's, and a very old box of Crosman Lubricated Super Pells (price sticker still attached, $1.11 for 250), all functioned flawlessly. My 600 seems to tolerate just about anything I put in it. HTH

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Msg. 272647  Posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 07, 2000 at 20:17:34:

In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

IMHO.

Regards,

Wayne
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Msg. 272646  Posted by Lew on August 07, 2000 at 20:17:28:

In Reply to: Re: Chips Ahoy? Got Milk? Heh heh heh heh LOL it's just one of those days! better than bitching. posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 22:50:18:

Yeah it has to do with age. The Monitor is still working with bitemarks. LOL
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Msg. 272645  Posted by Matt Donovan on August 07, 2000 at 20:16:16:

In Reply to: Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:

Russ,
I sent my 600 to MAC1 to be fixed-up and asked that my change be in the "best pellets for it" instead of cash. He sent me a bunch of those red plastic boxes of Crosman wad cutters and they work fine.
Matt
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Msg. 272644  Posted by Brent on August 07, 2000 at 20:15:13:

In Reply to: Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:

Aren't they a blast? I should have invested in Crosman stock before I bought my 600 just because of the cartridges it sucks up. My 600 seems to feed the Crosman wadcutters really nicely. Try bouncing an empty pop can around the yard. Get the follow up shots before the can stops moving. I use this in my backyard for USPSA practice, and just generally relieving stress. Kinda makes you feel like a kid again doesn't it? Best of luck, Brent.
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Msg. 272643  Posted by Lew on August 07, 2000 at 20:11:23:

In Reply to: OK, more data: posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 18:55:08:

I had the same effect with my Crosman 2100 shooting Copperhead pellets to a 16 yard target.
Absolutely no wind and the sun was at the right angle so I could see the pellet path in my scope. This is a Canadian version slower velocity rifle. The pellet travelled noticeably to the left of the straight line between me and the target then curved to the right hitting bullseye. I repeated it several times the same thing happened. I haven't tried different distances and since I always hit target well I never mentioned this to anyone. But it puzzled me and I see similar case in your post. Hope someone will have an explanation.
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Msg. 272642  Posted by green on August 07, 2000 at 20:09:50:

i know the reputation that the benjamin has but i was trying to do a little more shooting than pumping. i basically would be using it for pest control and small game hunting, i know that they are very different (spring vs multipump), but both fall around $145 and i wanted to make sure i bought something that i could shoot for some years. By the way who is a good person to go through towards purchasing the b22 i have heard a little about fun supply if there is somewhere that has a better price let me know. i appreciate all opinions on both guns
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Msg. 272641  Posted by TCooper on August 07, 2000 at 20:08:53:

In Reply to: Check out my airgun website! (url inside) posted by NS Canuck on August 07, 2000 at 17:53:54:

Canuck,
I was at a local gun dealer last week and he had a Gamo P-23 in the store. Price was $132.00.
He also has a Umarex Baretta CO2 for $320 and a Umarex Walther PPK for $200.
These prices are Canuck bucks, of course.
FWIW,
Todd (Thunder Bay,Ontario, CANADA)
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Msg. 272640  Posted by TerryD on August 07, 2000 at 20:08:40:

In Reply to: Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:

Russ, Meisters work the best for accuracy and power as they seem to fit the best. 14.3 grn. wadcutter copperheads in the red plastic box work GREAT for hosing. Premiers will work in some as well as Wasps. Neither of my 600's work with FTS.
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Msg. 272639  Posted by Robert Geiger on August 07, 2000 at 20:08:31:

In Reply to: Crosman 2260 QB78 posted by Art on August 07, 2000 at 18:36:34:

I think you'll find that the QB-78 has a lot more power than the 2260.
I compared my Crosman 160(the QB-78 is a copy) to my 2260 with a chrony. The 160 measured 13 ft. lbs. to only 9 ft. lbs. for the 2260.
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Msg. 272638  Posted by Brent on August 07, 2000 at 20:06:55:

In Reply to: Re: How many grains do steel BB'S weigh? NT posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:54:01:



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Msg. 272636  Posted by Robert Geiger on August 07, 2000 at 20:03:09:

In Reply to: Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:

Those FTS's that you recommended for springers work pretty good in my 600.
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Msg. 272635  Posted by The Airgun Letter on August 07, 2000 at 19:59:54:

In Reply to: Your still missing the point posted by jcbii on August 07, 2000 at 03:16:36:

We should stop TALKING about silencers because people in CALIFORNIA can’t own one?

If we were to follow that same logic in other areas of airgunning, we’d have to stop talking about most airguns because of the laws in Massachusetts.

And I think we’d have to stop talking about airguns over 12 ft.-lbs. because of the British laws.

We’d also have to stop talking about guns over 500 fps because of Canadian laws.

Basically, we’d have to stop talking about guns altogether. TALKING about silencers is not illegal in any city, county, state or country. Ownership/possession is not the same as talk. But Big Brother IS watching - just so you know.

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Msg. 272634  Posted by Waddle_TheFuzzyDuck on August 07, 2000 at 19:59:10:

the daystate sportsman mkII and the upcoming mkIII
Waddle

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Msg. 272633  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 07, 2000 at 19:58:27:

In Reply to: Re: Blue Streak posted by Greg Fischer on August 06, 2000 at 21:20:38:

How does the Merit Iris work? Infinitely adjustable? Series of drilled holes in a disk? Competing products available, or is this the only game in town?
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Msg. 272632  Posted by TCooper on August 07, 2000 at 19:56:51:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

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Msg. 272631  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:55:53:

In Reply to: Pump PCP Guys are NOT Wussies posted by chasm on August 07, 2000 at 00:04:22:

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Msg. 272630  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:54:01:

In Reply to: How many grains do steel BB'S weigh? NT posted by matt sudol on August 07, 2000 at 19:48:56:

If I recall correctly, they are 5.1 grains? RB
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Msg. 272629  Posted by Art on August 07, 2000 at 19:53:34:

In Reply to: Re: Pretty loud really posted by MooCow on August 07, 2000 at 16:16:03:

Ok, I won't rant at you but I hope Janet Reno does not come to your house to talk to you about Conspiracy to commit a Felony or Accessory before the Fact to you. If she does you won't like it very much.


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Msg. 272628  Posted by matt sudol on August 07, 2000 at 19:48:56:


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Msg. 272626  Posted by Art on August 07, 2000 at 19:47:13:

In Reply to: customs posted by thom on August 07, 2000 at 18:04:50:

Why would the dealer have to lose money?
The dealer did nothing wrong, Customs or RCMP is the problem.
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Msg. 272625  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:

As a youngster, I lusted after a Crosman 600 pistol. It wasn't just the looks, but the semi-auto.22 pellet mechanism that made the blood in my veins run hot. I was never much of a co2 fan, but two of Crosmans offerings always held my interest. The 600 and the 160 rifle. I had a 140, but so did my friends, nobody was using co2 that I knew, so I never got any first hand exposure to either gun. One year ago, Tim McMurray put a QB-22 LB with extended bulk for me that has more than satisfied my urge for a 160. The gun is simply phenomenal in both power and accuracy. I added a Tasco MagIV 4x16x40 scope (nice scope for co2 and pCP rifles) and a Cabela's padded leather lace -on cheekpiece to complete the gun.
Now- Today, I received a very nice Crosman 600 from a well known airgun personality. What a blast! I started right off with RWS Hobby wadcutters, and it's obvious I had better order more QUICK! This gun will go thru some lead- and with good accuracy. At first, I used a two hand hold and began tearing up a Marlboro pack at 20 yards. Then I got brave and went to one hand. Next thing you know, I'm IceT, holding the gun sideways in a Gangsta' Grip, and blasting away at the shredded target. This pistol is addictive! I only had two misfeeds during two and a half co2 carts. Which brings me to a question. What are the best feeding pellets for this gun? I need to know so that I can successfully defend my hacienda against pretend raids from the Slumlords ! Time is of the essence! Bulky and Tim- where are ya when I need ya ? RB
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Msg. 272624  Posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 19:42:12:

In Reply to: Peter, get counseling for your gun, pellets and you! posted by Willey M on August 07, 2000 at 19:22:56:

Depends on the scale of the spiral. What I'm seeing is the pellet diving right at around 45 yards, then going back left. I haven't tried shooting at 100 yards, basically because this is silly at 12 ft/lbs.

If it were a scope problem, the groups would not be consistently deviant, wouldn't they? Also, by being able to see the pellet fly, that confirms the problem being outside the scope.

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Msg. 272623  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 07, 2000 at 19:41:59:

In Reply to: Re: Blue Streak posted by jon on August 07, 2000 at 09:41:58:

Aren't these amazing guns! I got one after the other -- CB9, 392 and 397. They are sleepers -- they're not as sexy as the European guns -- but they grow on you! They are very accurate, and figuring out the pump / distance combinations is an interesting challenge in itself. I've scoped the CB9 and the 392. I'm trying to decide whether to get a peep sight for the 397.
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Msg. 272622  Posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 19:37:54:

In Reply to: Re: OK, more data: posted by MarkD on August 07, 2000 at 19:31:34:

If that were the case, the deviations would not be consistent, wouldn't they?

Also, this behavior was seen on two different locations.

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Msg. 272621  Posted by MarkD on August 07, 2000 at 19:31:34:

In Reply to: OK, more data: posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 18:55:08:

OK Peter I have a thought, as a bowhunter I can tell you wind or even thermals can act completly unpredictable. I know you said virtualy no wind I have found the definition of wind varies I use to think that wind was when leafs blew across the ground that was when I was shooting centerfires now I think even breezes make a mess of airgun shooting!!
Example when I shoot at home I have a powerline that I shoot across or into and I can tell you that when wind goes over the top of the trees it tends to swirl (sometimes changes directions)point of impact could be left prior to entering then hit right after going in the powerline field. Think of a pickup truck with trash in the back (no campershell) when you drive down the highway the trash is blown up against the cab instead of the tailgate. I know this example is a lot more wind than you are talking about.
You say in an orchard, are you shooting down the row of trees or across maybe this would make a difference.
I know you are familiar with "wind" (including subtle breezes) and shooting but that orchard just may be the culprit
Hope this helps
MarkD

P.S. even my .22cal Career has a tough time with wind at 930 fps
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Msg. 272620  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:25:44:

In Reply to: RWS M-48 (20cal) VS Beeman R-9 " Gold Finger " (20cal) posted by Bud on August 07, 2000 at 14:23:58:

Ck. around. The Goldfingers sell for LESS than the price you quoted for the 48 !!! The price you quoted is too high. RB
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Msg. 272619  Posted by Willey M on August 07, 2000 at 19:22:56:

In Reply to: OK, more data: posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 18:55:08:

You said this only applies to left and right and not high and low. If the pellets were spiralling, wouldn't the wobble would show up vertically on the target? I don't know nearly enough about physics or scopes but this sounds more like a scope problem...Good luck, Pete!...Willey
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Msg. 272618  Posted by Mike T. on August 07, 2000 at 19:14:07:

Well today was the day myself and some of my fellow "little big bore" owners have been waiting for. I received my D.Q. .25 cal 2240 pistol back from Dave Gunter in Oregon. Dave did a power mod on this pistol that included his special valve work and "pinning" the bolt to give better gas flow. I have shimmed the hammer spring slightly on this gun as well. The stock gun would give around 420-430 fps (w/20 grn Diana Mags). This gun now shoots 500+ fps with Dianas and 400 fps with 35.2 grn Dae Sungs. This equates to approx. 11.5-12.5 fpe respectively. These figures were on a Deta Chrony at 70-72 degrees. I set this gun in the 90 degree heat for around 5 minutes and was getting 550 fps+ with Dianas.
The upside about this mod for me (and maybe the downside for others) is that it still operates on 12 gram. I plan on traveling with this gun into remote areas (Alaska) that bulk filling isn't available or parctical, but 12 gram is available. The gun is a gas hog now and will yield approx. 12-15 useable shots depending on temp. If a screw on bulk adapter becomes available you might pick up a few more fps and still get plenty of shots. This would be the best of both worlds.
I have iron sights and a Tech Force 96 red dot on this gun. The red dot is a perfect match. After sighting in the gun with Dianas I tried some Dae Sungs and was getting very little POI change at 10 meters. I also tried some #3 (.25 cal) buckshot. I was amazed at the ragged one hole group I was getting with these round balls. The POI did change with the buckshot. It was shooting approx. 3/4" low and 3/4" right than with the other two pellets. This gun will shoot 2 buckshot at the same time. One would hit where you were aiming and the other would hit 2" to the side. I got 368 fps with two 23+ grain buckshot. I set up a 1 lb steel coffee can to do some unscientific penetration tests. The Dianas would sometimes penetrate both sides and sometimes one side and dent the back side. The Dae Sungs penetrated one side and left a large dent on the back side. The Dae Sungs hit very very hard and would knock the coffee can a few feet on impact. The buckshot zipped through both sides. Even when using two at once. The Dae Sungs Compressed down (deformed) to 30 caliber+.
The gun does bark a bit more when fired as expected but still can be shot indoors.
I think this is going to be one hell of a "pack" gun. With a carbine stock, forend, red dot sight, survival kit w/spare battery for red dot, 4 spare 12 grm cartridges and 80 pellets in a butt cuff holder this gun still only weighs 4 lbs 12 oz.
I also put a piece of 3/4" pvc pipe on top of the cheek piece of the butt stock. This raise my head up for better alignment with the rather high mounted red dot. I put a spring loaded pin on the underside of the receiver which is used on the "backpacker" series carbines. This pin allows you to put the stock on and off w/o using the screws in the pistol grip. You also need to put a small strip of adhesive foam on the bottom inside of the pistol grip on the shoulder stock. This keeps the stock from wiggling and makes for a tight fit.
I will end this review by stating that Dave Gunter is a true professional. Dave takes a great deal of pride and time ensuring that things are done right. He charged $95 for this mod plus S&H. Dave included a chronograph print out before and after along with a target that he sighted the gun in with after the mod.
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Msg. 272617  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:13:19:

In Reply to: Re: Freaking Out posted by Dan D on August 07, 2000 at 15:55:16:

Dan: I'm a fellow Probe owner and past SCCA racer. I started out in autocross and gymkhana's with a '67 Morgan Plus 4. Next thing I knew--- Lime Rock and Watkins Glen ! Yup- autosports can be expensive. My old team (Mushroom Racing) would easily spend $90K/yr just racing the east coast in the mid '70's. We got three successive classB championships though!( '74,'75 and '76(210 mph Corvette). I also managed to get married in '74, but my wife tolerated it as something "I had to get out of my system". I loved her dearly for it. RB
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Msg. 272614  Posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 19:03:11:

In Reply to: Thanks for all of you input... posted by John on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:00:

There are people who are just stupid, and there are people who, seemingly willfully, persist in stupidity. And then there's a large gap, and THEN there's another class: those who are proud of it.

Your witness. But at any rate, stay away from my premises.

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Msg. 272613  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 18:59:37:

In Reply to: This has nothing to do with dry firing. But answer my question please. posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 15:15:09:

Cody: they are now Benjamin/Sheridan, made by Crosman (Crosman bought out both Benjamin and Sheridan). They should be on the Crosman website. Good little pumper and 'ballsy' too ! Sold in many Walmarts, Kmarts and Sports Authority stores for $100 to $120. RB
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Msg. 272612  Posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 18:58:10:

In Reply to: Hobby: Mathemathics; Obsession: Nailing a fly, twice, at 50 meters, with an open sighted Gamo 440 .22cal. LOL (nt) posted by Cornel on August 07, 2000 at 09:21:07:

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Msg. 272611  Posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 18:55:08:

In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 12:56:36:

I'm shooting H&N Field & Target Trophy's from an AA One Hundred, set up so that it shoots at around 11.75 ft/lbs, so no, I am not going transsonic. I've only been testing this pellets at distances up to 30 yards until yesterday afternoon.

Yesterday afternoon, I saw the groups opening wildly while shooting at 50 yards. Since I was shooting with the sun in my back, I could actually see the pellet go at distances over 30 yards.
At 30-35 yards groups were nicely tight. When shooting at 50 yards I could see the pellet diving sharply to the right!

Today, I went into my friendly neighbour's orchard, to shoot at 10-15-20-25-30-35-40-45-50-55 yards. Again, same phenonenon. There was little or no wind in general, and shooting in a densely populated orchard took care of the remaining wind.

Here's my results:
All references only relate to the vertical plane:
10 yds: 2mm right
15 yds: 5mm right
20 yards: 5mm right
25 yards: dead on
30 yards: dead on
35 yards: dead on (that was my zero distance)
40 yards: 6-7mm right (group opens up slightly)
45 yards: 6-7mm right (group opens up slightly)
50 yards: 18 mm(!) to the LEFT!!! (wild group)
55 yards: 8 mm to the left (also a mediocre group at around 3/4")

Lead buildup may be a factor, that was a useful suggestion!
I know I've cleaned the barrel recently, but I have been shooting a *lot* since the reg revision and rebuild of last Wednesday.

I'll clean the barrel and retry. I'll also have a go at the CP Lites and the Barracudas.

peter



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Msg. 272610  Posted by Ian on August 07, 2000 at 18:50:14:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

Actually, I guess I started them both in childhood. However, if you neglect airgunning for one or more months you probably won't have a problem.

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Msg. 272609  Posted by Art on August 07, 2000 at 18:36:34:

These are both .22 caliber co2 powered air rifles. Is the only difference in these two the QB78 uses 2 CO2 cartridges and the 2260 uses one cartridge?
I assume the QB78 only has more shots per usage and does not have any velocity gain over the Crosman. Am I right? I am thinking of buying one of these and would like any input from owners.
Thanks,
Art

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Msg. 272608  Posted by dscott on August 07, 2000 at 18:34:51:

I am thinking about buying a scope that might double as a long-range hunting scope and a Field Target scope. Your thoughts on the B&L 8-32x or any other recommendation. I have been thinking about the new Swift, but without any experience, not sure. Thanks to all!
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Msg. 272607  Posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 18:32:05:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet trajectory question posted by Rolo101 on August 07, 2000 at 16:20:13:

I discarded wind by shooting on a windstill day, in an orchyard densely populated with trees.
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Exactly right Peter, " The Horsehead Nebula " precisely describes the sight picture of a BSA Contender at 24X !


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Msg. 272606  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 07, 2000 at 18:19:24:

In Reply to: Re: Great, Unc! Another arguement for them SCUBA shooters! nt posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 17:39:06:

So why did I use this POS? Well, 2 days before the match, the reticle shot loose on the scope I was planning to use and it wouldn't hold POI. The Contender was the only one I could get on such short notice. Never again! Cheers! (but NOT for the BSA Contender!).
Unc

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Msg. 272605  Posted by johnooh on August 07, 2000 at 18:18:15:

In Reply to: cr 38T more power? posted by Roger on August 07, 2000 at 17:39:38:

Roger,
What length barrel do you have? If you increase the length from 6" to 8" you'll get roughly another 50fps.
fwiw
jo
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Msg. 272604  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 07, 2000 at 18:09:01:

In Reply to: Re: Great, Unc! Another arguement for them SCUBA shooters! nt posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 17:39:06:

Unlikely as it may seem, I believe even a Tasco would have been preferable! But all is not lost, I still have 24 days left on the 30-day money back guarantee, and I fully intend to use it! Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 272603  Posted by thom on August 07, 2000 at 18:04:50:

In Reply to: Check out my airgun website! (url inside) posted by NS Canuck on August 07, 2000 at 17:53:54:

Fropm who did you but the pistol? If it was a dealer let me know and I'll write to them letting them know I'd appreciate it if they gave you your $ back... good customer support is worth a lot. bad publicity is a killer

thom
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Msg. 272602  Posted by John on August 07, 2000 at 18:04:22:

In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

I personally use air guns in BB wars... a silencer (and some good camo or ghillie suit) will greatly improve your chances of not getting shot the he!! out of...

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Msg. 272601  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 07, 2000 at 18:04:12:

In Reply to: Great, Unc! Another arguement for them SCUBA shooters! nt posted by Willey M on August 06, 2000 at 15:00:06:

;-)
Unc

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Msg. 272600  Posted by vZc® on August 07, 2000 at 17:59:30:

In Reply to: decible levels posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 07, 2000 at 16:17:53:

.
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Msg. 272599  Posted by Spring_Nut on August 07, 2000 at 17:55:42:

In Reply to: Dry Firing posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 15:11:23:

the spring/piston subassembly operation is designed for a pneumatic resistance load = pellet in breech/barrel.

non resistance load = destructive slam & shock.
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Msg. 272598  Posted by NS Canuck on August 07, 2000 at 17:53:54:

I have just updated my website again after a weeks vacation.

My Canada Customs situation remains unchanged after 64 days. I managed to ordered a SECOND GAMO P23 from a Canadian supplier without any trouble. My lesson has been learned! Check out the photos by following the link provided on my site under the August 7th 2000 update.

I will still keep up the fight with Canada Customs until I get my pistol from them.

Keep those cards and letters coming!

NSC

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Msg. 272597  Posted by Roger on August 07, 2000 at 17:39:38:

I have a crosman 38T 0.22 and it has a vo about 350 fps. with a 14 gr pellet. Is there anyone who
knows if it´s possible to get a higher V0 out of it, and if so how to do it. I would like to get around 450 fps.
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Msg. 272596  Posted by MooCow on August 07, 2000 at 17:20:21:

In Reply to: Uhhh....what are you ranting about? I don't have one...I didn't say make one.... posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 16:47:34:

I wasn't speaking to you personally, but to everyone in general. I wasn't talking about your CA 9MM gun at all. Ok, so I messed up, I posted the reply off of you (should have started up top).

But hey, pack that aggression away, boy. No need for that.
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Msg. 272595  Posted by Mac1 on August 07, 2000 at 17:16:23:

In Reply to: Interesting Ques. for Mac-1 etal........................ posted by GH on August 06, 2000 at 22:09:49:

No doubt the best poppet valve is the Benjamin Sheridan they build for the pump rifle. With my internals they are as good as we see. It is putting components capable of 3000 psi in a system running much less pressure. Overkill is how you get longievity. I'm noit sure how much more the components cost because I don't know the manufacturing costs for the stock items. But you can rest assured it costs several times as much to do it with quality in mind instead of price.

Later

Tim

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Msg. 272594  Posted by Chavez on August 07, 2000 at 17:13:20:

In Reply to: Re: moly...hmmm posted by Steve B. on August 07, 2000 at 16:01:52:

I experienced the same problem with my QB78 this
past week. I had broken it down, cleaned and lubed
it. I did use a little moly in the hammer assembly
and spring. It shot fine thru the first set of co2
caplets then half way thru the second set I started
to have major problems with power.
To make a long headache of a story short. I finally
went back to the pellgun oil replacing the moly and
the QB works well now.
Possibly, I over-lubed with moly. I don't believe
I did for I used a light film on and in the hammer
assembly area.
hth,
Chavez

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Msg. 272593  Posted by Mikael on August 07, 2000 at 17:10:59:

In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 12:56:36:

Try to shot up at the sky and look at the pellets flight at high maginfication, if the speed isn't to high you will see if makes a spiral.

It could be a bad crown or lead bulid up in the barrel.

Mikael
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Msg. 272592  Posted by Simon Slick on August 07, 2000 at 16:58:51:

In Reply to: 1322 again posted by GMackeddie on August 07, 2000 at 05:30:54:

should eliminate the problem. Good luck. SSlick
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Msg. 272591  Posted by matt sudol on August 07, 2000 at 16:58:31:

Here are some of the best I have found on the web.
http://www.geocities.com/starlingkiller/ needs a little work
http://sites.onlinemac.com/gunn1/fel.htm great pictures and other pages
http://home.beseen.com/hobbies/rolo101/ very helpful
http://www.ewoodie.myweb.nl/index.htm/ I need to work on my dutch
http://home.beseen.com/hobbies/trakker68/ nice looking guns
http://home.beseen.com/hobbies/mrbulk/airgun.html more good looking guns
http://members.home.net/all4114lla/target/indexpage2.htm good targets
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Msg. 272590  Posted by Simon Slick on August 07, 2000 at 16:55:10:

In Reply to: Info on Daisy 188? posted by Dan D on August 07, 2000 at 13:45:56:

It's a spring gun, cocks with the lever underneath the barrel. FPS is probally about 200-300. Multi-shot BB, single shot pellet. Not a very sought after gun. Can usually get one at an internet auction from about $5.00 - $15.00. SSlick
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Msg. 272589  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 16:53:07:

In Reply to: Re: moly...hmmm posted by Steve B. on August 07, 2000 at 16:01:52:

Ya never know. But I wonder why it wouldn't show up in dry weather?
Won't hurt to clean it up and slap some 30 weight on it....just keep moly on the trigger assembly and outside of the bolt.
I didn't put it in that far...but it could have worked it's way in I suppose.
Something to look at for sure.

thanks,
Jack


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Msg. 272588  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 16:47:34:

In Reply to: Re: Pretty loud really posted by MooCow on August 07, 2000 at 16:16:03:

I only replied that an airgun can be pretty loud.
I cited one example. I don't even own that type gun..but have been around the muzzle of a couple 9mm Careers long enough to know they can be loud. How does my post encourage moderators? What have I written to deserve your wrath dude?

So please...BACK OFF moo cow. Rant at someone who is supporting the concept. Or just chew your cud :-)

Jack


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Msg. 272587  Posted by JKnight on August 07, 2000 at 16:44:25:

In Reply to: For Sale *New* Theoben SLR-98 .22 cal. posted by James Knight on August 07, 2000 at 10:48:17:

I'm considering selling the rifle and scope individually.

Rifle with extras - $895.00 including 3 day FedEx.
Scope in box - $270.00 including 3 day FedEx.
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Msg. 272586  Posted by Sammy on August 07, 2000 at 16:41:24:

In Reply to: This has nothing to do with dry firing. But answer my question please. posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 15:15:09:

99.00 at Academy Sports if you have one in your area.
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Msg. 272585  Posted by matt sudol on August 07, 2000 at 16:37:05:

In Reply to: RWWS Model 48 posted by Mini ME on August 07, 2000 at 13:27:57:

Straight Shooters has no test results for the .25 cal and according to ian pellants it says they all are the same foot pounds of energy. Does anyone know for sure the foot pounds for the .25 I would like to know also.
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Msg. 272584  Posted by Rolo101 on August 07, 2000 at 16:20:13:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet trajectory question posted by jj on August 07, 2000 at 13:03:11:

Peter:
Try to find some place where you can shoot indoors to completely discard wind.
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Msg. 272583  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 07, 2000 at 16:17:53:

In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

My BSA Superten, which is not the loudest PCP, measured 109 decibels at the muzzle. It irritated the heck out of the neighbors dogs (100-150 yards away). PCP and some Springers can get real loud. Courtesy is one reason (to neighbors), the other is for that second shot (scare the animal and they are gone).

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Msg. 272582  Posted by On looker on August 07, 2000 at 16:17:08:

In Reply to: Re: Homemade bipod... ? url inside posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:02:

nt
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Msg. 272581  Posted by MooCow on August 07, 2000 at 16:16:03:

In Reply to: Pretty loud really posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 14:53:15:

You know, only a couple of days ago people were acting so anal about silencers on airguns. They warn you so much about the damn law, and how much trouble it can cause, but you know what? Just make one yourself (plenty of resources on the net) and stay quiet about it. Don't come here bragging about how effective your silencer is, etc, cause as long as you don't let them know, they won't speak.

Now its people saying that they are cool (true), make your gun look awesome (true) and make you feel like a sniper (true). So if you really want one, do what you gotta do to get one. And please to you older and "mature" adults, don't come screaming at me with your next post, give those fingers a rest.
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Msg. 272579  Posted by MooCow on August 07, 2000 at 16:10:31:

In Reply to: Re: Silencers and mass hysteria. posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:41:12:

Bottom line is this, if you make one, keep your mouth shut about it, and don't give a sh!t about the law since thats what the whole purpose was in the first place.
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Msg. 272578  Posted by Art on August 07, 2000 at 16:09:05:

In Reply to: 3rd Airgun Digest being auctioned / auction thoughts in general posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 12:55:35:

I am watching that closely as I have One of those and two 2nd Editions.

Really though did you notice there was no bids yet? Some people are learning how to use search engines to comparison shop before bidding.

Ebay has had some real good ones. One was for Lathe centering device. The picture clearly showed it came from Brownell's. They retailed for $19.90 but were bringing close to $50 on the auction.

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Msg. 272577  Posted by fredc on August 07, 2000 at 16:07:24:

In Reply to: Re: ZM2002 for sale on Brad's website(NT) posted by JPF on August 07, 2000 at 16:00:42:

Brad Troyer runs the http://www.airguns.net site
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Msg. 272576  Posted by Big Bore on August 07, 2000 at 16:06:24:

In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

For one they look SWEET. Second who wants to go deaf from a air gun? Third makes you feel like a sniper! (007)
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Msg. 272575  Posted by Steve B. on August 07, 2000 at 16:01:52:

In Reply to: Re: rusting? posted by js on August 07, 2000 at 14:41:49:

Jack: I've rebuilt an couple Cr 140s. The only real problem I had was that I'd moly'd down the sear block passage (which on the knock off valve CO2 guns is the striker). I just put a small bit in there for lube but darn if it wasn't enough drag to cause problems. So I'd tear it down and wipe a bit more off and try it again, still draggy. Finally I removed it altogether an used pellgun oil and every thing worked by the numbers.

Now the 140 valving works differently and it's a delicate balance getting the "hammer spring" to recock the valve. The CO2 valve is a brute force operation with the hammer spring smacking the valve stem but things might be a delicate balance there too where the moly is getting in the way. I'm starting to find that these earlier Crosman valves can actully work just fine if they're a little slurpy as long as it's pellgun oil or nd 30 wt. The surplus just blows out anyway. I hate to say this but do you suppose The factory was right about pellgun oil? Naaa...

I am using moly on the bolts and triggers just fine but they aren't part of the valving/release system.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 272574  Posted by JPF on August 07, 2000 at 16:00:42:

In Reply to: ZM2002 for sale on Brad's website(NT) posted by fredc on August 07, 2000 at 15:37:22:

Who's Brad and whts the address?! thanks!
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Msg. 272573  Posted by Art on August 07, 2000 at 15:59:35:

In Reply to: Dry Firing posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 15:11:23:

Yes it will cause spring breakage as will shooting a pellet that's too light or loose fitting also very heavy pellets.
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Msg. 272572  Posted by MooCow on August 07, 2000 at 15:57:34:

In Reply to: Use heavy pillow in front of muzzle. This will stop noise and save you from a lawsuit and Janet's hoard. nt posted by icon on August 06, 2000 at 05:17:33:

Ahahahah you're so funny.
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Msg. 272571  Posted by Dan D on August 07, 2000 at 15:55:16:

In Reply to: Freaking Out posted by PJ on August 07, 2000 at 14:14:42:

Yeah, I was kinda hoping I'd get some advice on how to handle a potentially difficult situation, and PJ picked right up on that. She's quite tolerant of my autocross hobby (though she doesn't understand it), and she feels that she must compete with autocross for my attention. At least shooting my air rifle doesn't interfere with her life in any way and it's much cheaper than autocross (well, so far anyway).

Dan
'95 Probe GT
#99 STR

PS - Autocross is amateur auto racing, one car at a time through cones, on airport runways, large parking lots, etc. All you need to compete is a car that passes a basic safety inspection. See URL below for details.

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Msg. 272570  Posted by Jerold Burrow on August 07, 2000 at 15:47:46:

In Reply to: RWS Sidelever accuracy contest [ group, velocity + grains] posted by Sidelever_Freak on August 06, 2000 at 22:45:15:

Hidee Ho-

Hmmm... Perhaps [ points=(muzzle velocity X pellet weight) / group size ]. Would not make sense the other way because a smaller group size=better and higher velocity=better (right?).

ie:

a) 0.50 (inch group) X 800 (fps) X 14.5 (grns) = 5800 (points)
b) 0.25 (inch group) X 1600 (fps) X 14.5 (grns) = 5800 (points)

You would think 'b' should get a significantly higher score. What do you think?


--
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Msg. 272569  Posted by lou on August 07, 2000 at 15:45:22:

bsa SuperStar mk.2 carbine and bsa Magnum-240 for sale...absolute excellent condition...both guns were made special for me by the bsa factory as authorized by mr. edward king of bsa/uk ltd. (the first 2 airguns were flawed in various ways)...have letter from mr.king documenting these received his personal attention...both are .177 caliber and the superstar chrono'd @ 930 fps using 7.6 excalibur pells =/- 10 fps...package deal - $400 plus shipping for both - firm (not interested in selling separately) !! thank you all kindly and God Bless !! .....lou
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Msg. 272568  Posted by fredc on August 07, 2000 at 15:37:22:


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Msg. 272567  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 07, 2000 at 15:27:01:

In Reply to: Re: RWWS Model 48 posted by Mini Me on August 07, 2000 at 13:28:46:

You can go to the products link, click on RWS, go to the 48 & click on the "our take" link & look up the pellet data for different pellets & calibers for that model. A very informative site. Have a good one!
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Msg. 272566  Posted by john from NY on August 07, 2000 at 15:24:42:

In Reply to: This has nothing to do with dry firing. But answer my question please. posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 15:15:09:

Cody-
The Benji 392 is the Benjamin-Sheridan 392 pump-up. benjamin-Sheridan is owned by the Crosman corp, www.crosman.com. It is a well made, reliable gun.
check www.compasseco.com, i think they sell it for about $100.

good luck-
john from NY
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Msg. 272565  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 07, 2000 at 15:20:35:

In Reply to: This has nothing to do with dry firing. But answer my question please. posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 15:15:09:

Cody, you can usually find a Benjamin airgun at just about any sporting goods store or a variety store like Wal-Mart or K-Mart. If a store sells hunting & fishing gear, it will usually also sell airguns. Go into town & look around - if your town is pretty small, you may have to go to a bigger one down the road. Have a good one!
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Msg. 272564  Posted by john from NY on August 07, 2000 at 15:17:12:

In Reply to: can you help a poor uk shooter posted by johno on August 06, 2000 at 19:15:38:

There is a review of the Crosman 1100 trapmaster in Airgun digest volume 3 (I seem to be mentioning this book a lot lately). It was made for a few years in the late 60's and powered by 2 Co2 cartridges. I dont have a scanner, but if I find someone who does I will e-mail it.

good luck-
john from NY
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Msg. 272563  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 07, 2000 at 15:15:49:

In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

The folks in most towns are usually up against laws forbidding the firing of airguns within the city limits. In addition, the neighbors are usually feeding the squirrels, birds, etc. & take exception when they start falling over. There is no quickly or easily available place for them to shoot, especially if they want to pop critters instead of targets. The result - a quest for a quieter shooting airgun for covert shooting activities. That's how I figure it, anyway. Have a good one!
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Msg. 272562  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 15:15:09:

In Reply to: Dry Firing posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 15:11:23:

Where can I get a Benji 392? Who makes them. Could
your give me a web-site?
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Msg. 272561  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 15:11:23:

Will it hurt spring piston guns to dry fire them?
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Msg. 272560  Posted by JimC on August 07, 2000 at 15:09:15:

In Reply to: Re:Beeman R-9 " Gold Finger " (20cal)$365.00 posted by Bob Kelly on August 07, 2000 at 14:44:25:

I have one they are great and there are MANY custom variations available. I don't know about the 48 I have a 45 and it shoots good too.
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Msg. 272559  Posted by Tir on August 07, 2000 at 15:08:22:

In Reply to: QB-88 breaking in nicely posted by Dan D on August 07, 2000 at 13:45:06:

Granted, it's not an HW or a BSA... but the value/cost ratio of this gun is terrific, IMO. The quality of the stock is probably it's least favorable attribute (as with all inexpensive guns) and I'm working on remedying that situation... but is there anyone out there that has been thoroughly disappointed with this modest little springer?

Just curious,
Tim
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Msg. 272558  Posted by john from NY on August 07, 2000 at 15:06:04:

In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

I think the reason most people want a silencer is because of the simple fact that it is a silencer and they think it would be cool.
-john from NY
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Msg. 272557  Posted by Alan on August 07, 2000 at 15:04:44:

In Reply to: Freaking Out posted by PJ on August 07, 2000 at 14:14:42:

Apart from all the often otherwise unobtainable technical information, the witty exchanges, the occasional controversy, and the fascinating obsession of others with guns that no-one could pay you to own, the thing I most enjoy about this forum is coming unexpectedly across posts like the one above of PJ's, that make you go 'yup' out loud when you read them. Tom@BB also sometimes puts up similarly affecting posts: I suspect that these are guys who have seen off the odd tin of pellets or two over the years. Here's to them.
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Msg. 272556  Posted by Steve in CT on August 07, 2000 at 15:04:25:

In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

What I experience with my airguns is that about 25 ft-lbs and below they are not that loud anyway. Then why risk having a silencer? It is not worth it unless the law changes.
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Msg. 272555  Posted by Somone on August 07, 2000 at 15:04:09:

In Reply to: Ballistic inoculation airguns posted by dave on August 07, 2000 at 03:02:27:

The Dan Inject as listed by Vet-1 are by far some of the best. As you get to use and know the products the RDS needles from Wildpharm are excellent.
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Msg. 272554  Posted by Someone on August 07, 2000 at 15:00:29:

In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

Even a 760 XL is "loud" or a Benji 397, as for C02 and certainly PCP guns are much louder. Some effect can be had on a spring gun but a good tune will make it as quiet.
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Msg. 272553  Posted by Somone on August 07, 2000 at 14:55:21:

In Reply to: 3rd Airgun Digest being auctioned / auction thoughts in general posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 12:55:35:

Auctions work on the basic principle of competition. Most everyone wants to win and will do crazy things to do so, like spend twice the retail amount on things.
It seems I see these types of bidders:

1. Those buying outside the law (too young to buy in a store) as even a 10 year old can buy a money order.
2. Those who look at it as a competition
3. Those who don't know the "real or street price" of things
4. Those who are inflating the bid (friends or alias account) to try and drum up business (esp popular when there is no reserve)
5. Those who know what they are doing

As with most the people that actually know what they are doing are the rarest of the breed.

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Someone

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Msg. 272552  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 14:53:15:

In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

Stand beside a Career 9mm PCP at full tilt to find out how loud :-)

Jack
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Msg. 272551  Posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:

Ok, I'm new to the airgun world. I've never used a CO2 gun, only spring-piston and pneumatic. But why would anyone want a silencer? How loud can an airgun really be?
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Msg. 272550  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 14:48:19:

In Reply to: Re: QB-88 breaking in nicely posted by JimH on August 07, 2000 at 13:55:06:

Mine is on tall see-thru mounts. But I've had normal ones on it also. The key is to get the scope far back to allow space to load.
Cheap scopes seem to hold up on the QB-88 once it is broken in. Mine hasn't fallen apart yet anyway.
I plan on shifting the Bushnell over to the QB-88 for now...on tall Millet mounts. It obstructs the port some, but you can still access for loading.

Yeah....the 3-9x32 is coming off the QB-78 for now and will be used on the 88. May as well get the most from the QB-88 until I figure out the CO2/humidity thing on the QB-78. The QB-88 has more than enough whack-ability for starlings at 20 yards to warrant putting the Bushnell on it again. At least the birds it reached out and touched yesterday would agree.

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Msg. 272549  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 07, 2000 at 14:44:25:

In Reply to: RWS M-48 (20cal) VS Beeman R-9 " Gold Finger " (20cal) posted by Bud on August 07, 2000 at 14:23:58:

Check this out http://aaasportinggoods.com/specials.htm
I've been dealing with them for a year with good results.
However this isn't to say you couldn't get it cheaper
somewhere else, not likely..

Hope this helps. I have no personal experience with RWS,
so I'm not qualified to answer the other part of your
question. Good luck..
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Msg. 272548  Posted by js on August 07, 2000 at 14:41:49:

In Reply to: Re: I'll probably regret asking; CO2 and humidity...relationship? posted by Steve B. on August 07, 2000 at 14:07:05:

That is a thought.
I don't have it overlubed...but I've moly'd most of the bolt/striker/spring parts. I suppose there might be some rust down further in the valve assembly that could be sticking when moist.

The kicker of course is that once it is out of the humid air for an hour, it returns to it's sweet-shooting habits. Dead on, fly swatter stuff.
That is what makes this so frustrating. The durn gun shoots very well normally. I have not seen this with my other CO2 guns. Which lead me to think there may be something quirky about pressurized tube guns (like the QB or 160)...I don't know.

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Msg. 272547  Posted by GT on August 07, 2000 at 14:40:31:

In Reply to: Re: WHY NOT GET AN RX-1? posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 20:56:30:

NO BODY DENIES ,20 OR ,22 TO BE A GRETA RIFLE BUT ITS ILLEGAL IN MY COUNTRY TO OWN A CALIBER LARGER THAN ,177
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Msg. 272546  Posted by Steve T on August 07, 2000 at 14:38:24:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

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Msg. 272545  Posted by Hans on August 07, 2000 at 14:25:44:

In Reply to: Re: R9...Gas Ram?????R9 Step up posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 19:31:52:

I get 16 ft/lbs with JM TK kit in .177 using H&N Baracuda's. FTS does 15,5 ft/lbs and cplites 15 ft/lbs. very decent powerlevels. The accuglidesal gets plus 30ft/sec over oem-seal.
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Msg. 272544  Posted by Bud on August 07, 2000 at 14:23:58:

I want to get another .20cal rifle and I narrow it down to two rifles.The RWS M-48 or the R-9 Gold finger.But which one???The RWS 48 is going for $375 and the R-9 is going for $430.Whats the fps on the RWS and Beeman??If anyone who has these rifles what are they like???
Also look on Diana web site,and look at the M-48SL the sports model of the 48!!Have anybody seen this rifle in the US or is it new???WHERE can I find this rifle??
THANKs GUYS
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Msg. 272543  Posted by Hans on August 07, 2000 at 14:20:46:

In Reply to: Adjustable power gas ram on a SLR 98 ???????? posted by Derrin on August 07, 2000 at 09:17:42:

The factory setting is modest, as I told you. Cocking will be a task when the ram is set higher.You could always lenghten the cocking arm in some way, but it would look awfull.... The charming thing of this riflke is that with modest power it shoots like a dream, no recoil (or so the factory claims..).
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Msg. 272542  Posted by Dan D on August 07, 2000 at 14:17:41:

In Reply to: Re: QB-88 breaking in nicely posted by JimH on August 07, 2000 at 13:55:06:

Nope - just whatever came with the scope. I have it mounted as far back as possible, and it overhangs into the loading port about 1/2" to 3/4". There's still plenty of access. For $7, ya can't go wrong and can't complain.

Dan.

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Msg. 272541  Posted by PJ on August 07, 2000 at 14:14:42:

In Reply to: QB-88 breaking in nicely posted by Dan D on August 07, 2000 at 13:45:06:

Perhaps you love this girl. But, are you going to be able to live with her if you don't do things her way? I have been married for 45 years to a woman who has no great love for firearms. What she does have is tolerance for my enjoyment of them. A good and tolerant woman makes for a good life.----PJ PS Of course the tolerance must exist on both partners parts, but you shouldn't have to give up a harmless hobby.
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Msg. 272540  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 07, 2000 at 14:11:15:

In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 12:56:36:

I am not sure of the spelling, but I remember the principle from physics class. A spinning mass will try to wobble in a sprial fashion about it spinning axis. Viewed along the axis of flight, it will look like a spiral or corkscrew. Any imbalance in the pellet weight distribution about its axis will accentuate the effect. For instance if there is an air bubble in the lead pellet, then the pellet will be unbalanced. there won't be air bulles in the lead, but the density of the lead could vary and at the spin rate of the pellets we are using, the effect should occur.

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Msg. 272539  Posted by Steve B. on August 07, 2000 at 14:07:05:

In Reply to: I'll probably regret asking; CO2 and humidity...relationship? posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 08:08:20:

JS: I'm glad it's happening to you and not me ;). I was also going to be a wise guy and ask when was the last time you put gas in it - but no, I wouldn't do that. When was the last time you took a look at the valve stem or hammer pathway?

I'm wondering if it might not be rusting, it wouldn't take much to start jamming stuff up. It doesn't take long to form a fine rust film either. Could there be some lube/preservitive in there thats absorbing moisture? How about some plastic bits - nylon is hydroscopic. It will abosorbe water and oils. Good luck on this and please keep us posted...

regards - Steve B.
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Msg. 272538  Posted by JimH on August 07, 2000 at 13:55:06:

In Reply to: QB-88 breaking in nicely posted by Dan D on August 07, 2000 at 13:45:06:

Dan,
I've heard scoping the QB88 can restrict access to the loading port. Did you use any special rings or do anything unusual? JimH
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Msg. 272537  Posted by acet on August 07, 2000 at 13:49:22:

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Msg. 272536  Posted by Dan D on August 07, 2000 at 13:45:56:

When my roommate saw my QB-88 arrive last week, he decided to dig out his Daisy 188 pistol from the depths of his room somewhere. I'm looking for some specs on this gun. I checked the Daisy website and found nothing. Stuff like fps, spring or pump type, etc. (it cocks with a lever under the barrel, that's about all I know.)

From about 15 feet it left a slight divot in the phone book I've been using as a backing for targets with my QB-88. (7.9 gr domed pellet) For reference, the QB-88 penetrates the book about 3/4".

Thanks,

Dan.

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Msg. 272535  Posted by Dan D on August 07, 2000 at 13:45:06:

It's been a week now with my QB-88, and I've put about 150-200 pellets through it. I'm becomming more and more comfortable with the gun. My accuracy has gone way, way, up now that I added a ($7 from K-Mart) Tasco 4x15 scope and started shooting from the prone position. This is a great gun for a 27 year old beginner like me.

Now the girlfriend still doesn't know about it yet, and I'm sure she'll freak out when she finds out.

Dan.
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Msg. 272534  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 13:41:07:

In Reply to: Re: 3rd Airgun Digest being auctioned / auction thoughts in general posted by john from NY on August 07, 2000 at 13:34:23:

Hmmmm.....doesn't say out of stock at Amazon.

I just saw it at Borders last weekend. It is always on the shelf there and Barnes&Noble for the normal cover price ($20 or so). They both have online ordering also.

But you get my drift, right?

Jack
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Msg. 272533  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 13:37:42:

In Reply to: Re: I'll probably regret asking; CO2 and humidity...relationship? posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 12:58:50:

What is odd is that I put the 78 away and went on to shoot the QB-88 springer. It shot well, fairly flat and consistant.....three feathered fiends gave their lives in testimony to that :-)

I'll make a chart:
0 minutes = 0" drop
20 minutes = 1" drop
40 minutes = 8" drop
60 minutes = 5 feet total range.....LOL!

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Msg. 272532  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 13:37:08:

In Reply to: RWWS Model 48 posted by Mini ME on August 07, 2000 at 13:27:57:

depends on two things 1 speed & 2 weight of the pellet..the 25 should win..find this out yer self get a program and plug the speed 7 weight in the software and see..Ian Pellant has free software and the A-team has it for $15

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Msg. 272531  Posted by Mike in Indy on August 07, 2000 at 13:34:42:

In Reply to: Pellet traps posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 14:38:30:


go to a plexiglass supply house and buy Lexan. It costs twice as much but is very hard. That's what they use for bulletproof glass.

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Msg. 272530  Posted by john from NY on August 07, 2000 at 13:34:23:

In Reply to: 3rd Airgun Digest being auctioned / auction thoughts in general posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 12:55:35:

I saw that same auction. I got a copy new for $20 a few years ago. however last I checked, amazon.com said it was out of stock.

see ya,
john from NY
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Msg. 272529  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 13:32:46:

In Reply to: Rise in temp (outside) means rise in pressure. hammer can't open valve but a smidge until the gun cools and press. decreases. Try a heavier hammer spring for hot weather. (NT) posted by tony Clifton on August 07, 2000 at 13:14:04:

I am really familiar with valve lock from high temps. Live in the Baja desert and hunt with CO2 guns in the summer and you find out real quick when the average temp is 110-120 after noon.

Thanks, but that's why I detailed this earlier.

Jack
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Msg. 272528  Posted by Mini Me on August 07, 2000 at 13:28:46:

In Reply to: RWWS Model 48 posted by Mini ME on August 07, 2000 at 13:27:57:

OOPS! It's RWS not RWWS.
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Msg. 272527  Posted by Mini ME on August 07, 2000 at 13:27:57:

Does the RWS Model 48 in .25 cal. have more FPE
than one in .22 cal.? What is the FPE in the .25
cal. version?
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Msg. 272526  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 13:27:07:

In Reply to: Re: I'll probably regret asking; CO2 and humidity...relationship? posted by Wade on August 07, 2000 at 12:51:08:

Okay, answers to these questions:

Q- "It's really hard to believe your velocity actually gets that low!"
A- I'm not asking anyone to believe me. Ask Thom (on this forum), it was his chrono that I attempted to shoot a pellet through. It took three tries to get it out of the barrel! I had just installed fresh CO2 carts 5 shots prior to that. Both he and Stan (also here) watched in amazement. They also saw the lack of power when it did shoot. Stan and I had shot side by side for 4 hours the weekend before...his chrono measured the velocity then at an average 554fps and he witnessed how consistant the gun shot then. We whacked walnuts for hours literally.

Q- "I would say you have much more of a problem than humidity since humidity would likely "increase" velocity slighty."
A- I am open to suggestions. The gun shoots very well...except when it is in high humidity. As soon as it comes out of that, it returns to normal in an hour's time. Just sunlight doesn't do anything odd, just high temps doesn't do anything odd, just low temps doesn't do anything odd.

Q- "One thing that is missing in your basement is sun"
A- Reread what I wrote. It shoots very well in the sun.....when the humidity is low. On 7/22/00 it shot extremely well outside in 83^ for 4 hours in the bright sunlight. It shoots basically the same in the basement. I adjusted the POA for the POI difference in the sun, but not much.
It does not shoot well in the sun with 100% humidity...humidity being the only difference I can determine. On 7/29/00 it shot badly...100% humidity and sunlight at around 82^-83^....on 8/6/00 it shot badly in 100% humidity at around 73^ in no sunlight (overcast skies). When it started shooting 10" low at 10 yards, I put it away. An hour after I got home, it shoots normally again. So the only variable I can determine is humidity. In fact, this time I kept my car's air off so the gun would be about the same temp and humidity as outside when I arrived at the site....that did nothing for it.

I did get an email wondering if ice crystals had formed. I am uncertain, I wasn't looking for crystals. There might be something to that.
Believe me, I know this all seems very odd....it seems odd to me also. But this is really how it happens....two weekends in a row now. I had Stan and Thom see the first weekend's weirdness, so it's not just my imagination. And I have the gun shooting fine an hour after getting home and aclimating it to the basement again. Go figure.
If I knew what was causing it, I wouldn't be asking!

I've shot CO2 a lot in high temp conditions. I don't believe there is anywhere in the USA that has hotter temperatures than where I lived in S. Cal...it was always on par with the temps in Death Valley and Gila Bend.
The Baja desert is HOT in the summer...110-120 on the average. There I learned much about valve lock due to high temps. But no humidity.
Maybe I just have an odd QB-78? Somehow I cannot imagine a gun that shoots as well as it does in normal conditions has something radically wrong with it. It is apparently only when the humidity is high that there is a problem.
I hate to think I'm doomed to shoot springers all the time.

Jack



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Msg. 272524  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 07, 2000 at 13:23:20:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet trajectory question posted by Steve in CT on August 07, 2000 at 13:06:11:

One other thing to eliminate would be if your using
a pellet die/sizer, specifically too small for the
make of pellet your using. Pellet too large for bore,
a bur or led build up at the crown. Something else
would be if your pellet is dropping below the speed of
sound, .177 and lighter .20 are prone to wobbling
when passing below the barrier.
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Msg. 272523  Posted by DaveG on August 07, 2000 at 13:20:25:

In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 12:56:36:

I have seen this very same thing happen myself. I also read in one of Brad's reviews that he noted this to be a common occurance when using pointed pellets. Now, I know you well enough to know that you are not using pointed pellets, but I would think that minute shape differences in the shape of a pellet could also cause this, such as the center mass of the head being off centerline or a deformation in a skirt, could also change the central mass... As the pellet spirals in flight, it center of ballance would also spiral around it's axes... Like a wobbly duck so to speak. I would also think that an uneven crown could cause this to happen... I know that Alan Z actually sets up a large black mat, with a real bright light possitioned behind him, so that when he fires the gun, he can actually see the skirt of the pellet shinning like a beacon... So, that he can see exactly what the barrel is doing to the pellet in flight... they do move around all over the place...
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 272522  Posted by tony Clifton on August 07, 2000 at 13:14:04:

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Msg. 272521  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 13:09:45:

In Reply to: 3rd Airgun Digest being auctioned / auction thoughts in general posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 12:55:35:

JS, as was said 50yrs ago by PT barnum or the bailey guy..theres a sucker born every minute
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Msg. 272520  Posted by Steve in CT on August 07, 2000 at 13:06:11:

In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 12:56:36:

Peter is the parallax of your scope ok? Also what does it do at 20,25,30 yards. It seems above 35 shifts every 5 yards. Anyway parallax would be my first investigation.


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Msg. 272519  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 13:05:37:

In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 12:56:36:

was there wind at 40 & 45 yrds? or maybe it just had a little wobble..hard to tell ..if it keyholes at 38 yrds then youll know..im betting wind..unless this is all the time..then i have no clue, and think its doing a corkscrew thing for no real reason...sorry this didnt help
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Msg. 272518  Posted by jj on August 07, 2000 at 13:03:11:

In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 12:56:36:

Sounds like a corkscrew or corkscrewing.

I have some theories of my own on this, but I really don't want to get into it.

One question though, is this a converted 10 meter gun? Converted for higher power?
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Msg. 272517  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 12:58:50:

In Reply to: I'll probably regret asking; CO2 and humidity...relationship? posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 08:08:20:

willeyM and i went shooting this weekend and he had about the same prob..more so, with the spring guns though..sorta think a humidity & temp log with velositys are a good idea ..you may find the info graphable and useful
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Msg. 272516  Posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 12:56:36:

Can there be a way for a pellet to SPIRAL in its flight?

In the vertical plane I'm dead on at 35 yards, to the left at 40, to the right at 45, and back dead on at 50! (all on the vertical plane... the horizontal drop is as one would expect).

I'm baffled.

peter
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Msg. 272515  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 12:55:35:

I just noticed this book with bidding starting at $29 on Auction Arms.
YIKES! Are people simply lazy? A quick mouse-click to Amazon.com shows it available new still for $17.95
My local "Borders" and "Barnes&Noble" stores have it on the shelf daily for the cover price.
I'll keep tabs on the auction. If it sells at $29+, I may buy a few dozen from Amazon and auction them off to finance a new airgun :-)

I also noticed a 3-pack of Walther PPK/S clips on another auction starting at $15......they are new at Golden Toller for $10.

I've found some nice stuff on auction sites...got a cool couple of .22 Crosman revolvers off Auction Arms. But it does pay to know what you are buying and look around. I wouldn't have paid more than $40 for a 38T at auction...considering that one can buy it resealed and in the box from Bryan and Associates for the same price without bidding (I did just that recently).
I guess it's the bidding that some folks enjoy though.

fwiw- Jack


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Msg. 272514  Posted by Chavez on August 07, 2000 at 12:53:37:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman Clones posted by docwells on August 07, 2000 at 10:11:35:

I think you'll like this site.
hth,
Chavez

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Msg. 272513  Posted by Wade on August 07, 2000 at 12:51:08:

In Reply to: I'll probably regret asking; CO2 and humidity...relationship? posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 08:08:20:

It's really hard to believe your velocity actually
gets that low! That said, I would say you have much
more of a problem than humidity since humidity would
likely "increase" velocity slighty.
One thing that is missing in your basement is sun and
although the ambient air is the same the sun can heat
the internals above ambient temp and cause a decrease
in velocity - but not to the extreme you mentioned.
I live in Mississippi where the humidity is ALWAYS
above 90 percent and the temp is 95+ and my QB"77's"
shoots fine in those temps.
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Msg. 272512  Posted by jon on August 07, 2000 at 12:49:15:

In Reply to: crosman c40 posted by mike caldwell on August 06, 2000 at 20:03:48:

I guess it must be the luck of the draw. I had a C40 and put at least a thousand rounds through it. I shot in both single and double action and did not have a single problem with it! It shot flawlessly everytime. I had a dozen magazines for it and would pre-load them with Copperhead domed pellets. The only reason I got rid of the pistol was because I like rifles more and needed to liquidate in order to make my next purchase!

-jon-
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Msg. 272511  Posted by Quack on August 07, 2000 at 12:35:00:

In Reply to: Triathlons for 16 years - One of the greatest human powered sports on the planet!! (nt) posted by Rick McAllister on August 07, 2000 at 09:01:30:

nt
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Msg. 272510  Posted by Greg S on August 07, 2000 at 12:28:51:

In Reply to: Baretta 92F, red dot scope arrived posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 07, 2000 at 09:43:39:

I just puchased the same pistol but in black,i like it alot sometimes i have a hard time getting the co2 out of the pistol.I don,t know if its just me or sometimes the velocity seems to change even when you have a fresh co2 in.It does look vey real.
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Msg. 272509  Posted by Mac1 on August 07, 2000 at 12:26:39:

In Reply to: Thanks--very helpful; one more question... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 20:26:55:

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Msg. 272508  Posted by john from NY on August 07, 2000 at 12:16:35:

In Reply to: Air Gun posted by simon mitchell on August 06, 2000 at 13:26:03:

Research a little more, get specs, prices, etc. and get a little more specific.
good luck-
john from NY
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Msg. 272507  Posted by john from NY on August 07, 2000 at 12:09:19:

In Reply to: Re: Women posted by john from NY on August 07, 2000 at 12:07:14:

nt

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Msg. 272505  Posted by Wade on August 07, 2000 at 12:08:56:

In Reply to: ... now I'm confused... posted by Chucky on August 07, 2000 at 09:23:56:

It should worry you more to get into your family
car as the explaination from General Motors would
be very similar!
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Msg. 272504  Posted by john from NY on August 07, 2000 at 12:07:14:

In Reply to: Women posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 22:09:33:

Airguns are a *close* second to fishing. I mainly like surfcasting and fly fishing. I also just got into golf, I'm not sure how long its going to last. Golf is without a doubt, the most expensive, time consuming, and frustrating sport known to man. I shudder to think what kind of guns I could have gotten thinking about all the money tied up in my golf clubs. I'm more into fishing april-september and airguns in the winter.

good post, by the way.

-john from NY
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Re: Are paintballguns airguns?


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Msg. 272503  Posted by Wade on August 07, 2000 at 12:04:38:

In Reply to: Are paintballguns airguns? posted by Anyone on August 07, 2000 at 11:24:32:

I would call that deceptive advertising!
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Msg. 272502  Posted by Kevin on August 07, 2000 at 12:03:28:

In Reply to: Need info on the Airgun show, Please. posted by TCooper on August 06, 2000 at 20:18:13:


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Msg. 272501  Posted by Tom L. on August 07, 2000 at 11:48:06:

In Reply to: Where is J.Maccari web page (NT) posted by Horace on August 07, 2000 at 07:32:31:

here is the wesite

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Msg. 272500  Posted by Quack on August 07, 2000 at 11:45:23:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

nt
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Msg. 272499  Posted by John on August 07, 2000 at 11:42:32:

In Reply to: Re: Guys like you... posted by Mike Pearson on August 07, 2000 at 10:02:45:

.

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Msg. 272497  Posted by john on August 07, 2000 at 11:39:47:

In Reply to: You'll shoot your eye out! (nt) posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 07:21:40:

well yes i did...
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Msg. 272496  Posted by gus on August 07, 2000 at 11:28:48:

In Reply to: Ballistic inoculation airguns posted by dave on August 07, 2000 at 03:02:27:

try www.cap-chur.com
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Msg. 272495  Posted by Anyone on August 07, 2000 at 11:24:32:

Check this link and tell me if paintball guns are airguns.

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Women...(nt)


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Msg. 272494  Posted by DaveG on August 07, 2000 at 11:16:14:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

a
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Msg. 272493  Posted by Patrick on August 07, 2000 at 11:06:45:

In Reply to: Here's more posted by Patrick on August 07, 2000 at 10:59:16:

nt
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Here's more


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Msg. 272491  Posted by Patrick on August 07, 2000 at 10:59:16:

In Reply to: THE CHICKEN GUN [url] posted by vZc® on August 06, 2000 at 21:39:23:

Cool pictures. As an aerospace engineer, I had seen this before. A funny side note: while in school a story was circulating amongst my professors that involved the US loaning the chicken gun to a British aerospace company to use for testing. The british windshields kept breaking and they couldn't figure out why. It was finally discovered that someone had neglected to thaw out the frozen chickens they were using! My guess is that nothing short of an all steel canopy is going to stop a 15lb. FROZEN chicken at 200mph!
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Msg. 272490  Posted by Michael A on August 07, 2000 at 10:58:36:

In Reply to: THE CHICKEN GUN [url] posted by vZc® on August 06, 2000 at 21:39:23:

LOL
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Msg. 272489  Posted by Patrick on August 07, 2000 at 10:51:46:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

I kind of rotate, on about a 6-9 month cycle, between airgunning, high-power rocketry, firearm reloading and shooting, and free-flight model airplane building. With that many hobbies I don't ever have to worry about getting bored. I just move on to the next interest for a while! Actually it's not usually boredom that does it, it's declining funds (some hobbies are cheaper than others!)

Patrick
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Msg. 272488  Posted by James Knight on August 07, 2000 at 10:48:17:

For Sale - NEW Theoben SLR-98 .22 cal with silencer, extra mag, Leupold 3 X 9 X 33 EFR scope and 2 boxes of CP's. Rifle and scope are brand new less than 30 pellets fired. Rifle is beautiful and very accurate. I'm selling because I purchased it in May and I don't have a good place to shoot.
Must sell $1160 shipped FedEx 3 day.

Credit cards accepted through PayPal.

If you don't already have a (free) PayPal account please follow this link to sign up and receive a $5 bonus.
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Msg. 272487  Posted by Bob Lejuez on August 07, 2000 at 10:40:43:

In Reply to: Crosman 38T posted by PeteC on August 07, 2000 at 09:22:08:

Not sure about the grip panel, but have purchased complet sets of seals and piercing pins etc.for the 38T both old and new models from Benson Gun Shop in Coram L.I. N.Y. a number of times, there phone # is 516-736-0065, hope this helps.

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Msg. 272486  Posted by Roy on August 07, 2000 at 10:36:28:

In Reply to: THE CHICKEN GUN [url] posted by vZc® on August 06, 2000 at 21:39:23:


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Msg. 272485  Posted by Roy on August 07, 2000 at 10:34:23:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:


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I heard that too! (nt)


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Msg. 272484  Posted by Dave L on August 07, 2000 at 10:20:45:

In Reply to: True story... posted by Andrew on August 06, 2000 at 23:40:17:

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Msg. 272483  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 07, 2000 at 10:18:44:

In Reply to: Re: Trend of the times posted by jb/ohio on August 07, 2000 at 00:03:24:


Thank you Joe for you nice words! Even though I hate the word PC with a passion, I know you meant it in the sense of being responsible! And yes, I (this applies to you too) do my best to be responsible, honest and courteous on the forum. If I feel an apology is warranted from me, I'll give one (done so on a couple occasions). For the most part though, I think that people sometimes get irritable and cranky and well crotchedy (like Edith said). You can tell it in a person's wording and syntax. To me, that's just a part of the give and take that goes on in any communication. There are some regulars who try to help others on a very regular basis (day to day) and well, they're not going to be their best at all times. It is important IMO that they step away from the forum and clear their head (shoot some airguns?) and then come back. Otherwise, it's just too easy for "things" not very important in and of themselves to accumulate.

I am in agreement with you about an open forum. I also think that the Gaylords' number one agenda has been and is helping newcomers and thereby helping the airgunning community at large. I'm sure that it is challenging at times. Most really rewarding ventures are though. I'm sure she would agree. Thanks again for the post. ---- Mr.P

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Msg. 272482  Posted by docwells on August 07, 2000 at 10:11:35:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman Clones posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 09:38:03:

Is there a similar page dealing with the
IZH 60/61?
Thanks,
docwells

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Msg. 272481  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 07, 2000 at 10:02:45:

In Reply to: Guys like you... posted by John Sa. on August 07, 2000 at 04:23:23:


Agreed with every word in your post! ---Mr.P
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Msg. 272480  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 07, 2000 at 09:57:18:

In Reply to: Peep posted by Whiteleather on August 07, 2000 at 09:42:51:


Wow, what a dog! He looks like he's got jaws like a meat grinder! I have no doubt that he will indeed be hell on coon! (Just keep him away from the water though where those animals are concerned and he should be alright!) --- Mr.P
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Msg. 272479  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 07, 2000 at 09:43:39:

I ordered a Umarex Baretta clone from Golden Toller in nickel with wood grips and a tasco red dot scope. It all arrived Thursday (after a call from Joe that everything arrived and would be sent out on Wednesday). Mounting the scope rail was easy, but the red dot scope was 4 inches high at 15 ft. I placed 3 or 4 strips of x-ray film behind the back of the red dot scope. This scope rail was the one that fits where the back sight goes, not the one that mounts on the frame forward of the trigger. Since the dovetail meets the rail higher in the back than in the front it actualy places a cant to the right on the scope also, but at the ranges I am firing at it doesn't seem to make much of a difference. Inserting the CO2 was a little more difficult than expected, but I might have a batch of bad co2 carts. The first co2 cart gave inconsistent pellet velocities, but probably wasn't pierced enough. Once I got everything working well I was very happy with the gun. it is an extremely accurate copy, so much so that 3 guys at the gun range thought it was real. It looks awefully cool. See my web site under Winston Salem pictures for pictures. The gun fires in double action and single action, but for plinking "accuracy" I have been using the single action mode. Trigger pull is heavy at double action, about what I expected (unmeasured). Trigger pull in single action mode was pleasant and felt just like a real firearm. It gives a pleasingly not too loud pop with air blast when fired. With the red dot scope I could hit a coke can at 15 to 18 yards almost every shot. My 5 year old daughter hit a coke can at 15 yards 2 out of 8 times in single action mode. The only dissappointments, if you can call them that, is that the wood grip checkering had some wood fibers left on and the co2 cart is not all that easy to get in right. Overall I am very pleased and would recommend this way cool gun. Not a target match target pistol but cool.

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Msg. 272478  Posted by Whiteleather on August 07, 2000 at 09:42:51:

In Reply to: Re: Pigeons, chucks and getting newbies hooked! posted by Mike Pearson on August 05, 2000 at 09:03:01:

Mike,

Good memory! Yes, our very own "Bubba" sold me a peep for the BenSher .22. I added a smaller diameter insert and can do some serious, consistent plinking out to about 35 m.

A couple of tests showed that the .177 RWS 38 does more damage. I got some beef femurs from the store and shot them at 10 and 20 m. The .177 cracked then shattered the bone in 1 or 2 shots. The BenSher .22 needed several shots at the same point before the bone cracked.

Based on those results, I use the BenSher only for point blank, birds or target shots.

The url below will lead you to a pic of Balzac (aka Dog of Death). I have him in some serious training now to prepare for the fall migration of raccoons from the woods to the attic. He can swim 200 yards to retrieve wood blocks, steal home from third base in 3.4 seconds, and leap 3 feet off the ground to grab and hang on to his rope (tied to a tree limb). He can't let go by himself if his feet are off the ground.

Kris

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Msg. 272477  Posted by jon on August 07, 2000 at 09:41:58:

In Reply to: Blue Streak posted by Pepi on August 06, 2000 at 19:18:13:

I would definitely go with the peep. I picked up a vintage Blue Streak a few months ago and added the Williams peep. It's amazingly accurate. I am by no means the world's greatest marksman, but I hit nothing but black from 10 meters, shooting free hand with my streak.

I just picked up a Benji 347 and will be calling Golden Toller this afternoon to get a peep for it!

-jon-
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Msg. 272476  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 09:38:03:

In Reply to: Crosman Clones posted by James McAllister on August 07, 2000 at 09:26:40:

Go to these two sites and read all of the linked material. This should be required reading prior to purchasing either a QB-78 or a Cr160.
I love my .22 QB-78....matches what I read.
hth, Jack


http://olympia.fortunecity.com/kickbox/377/qb78index.html#top

http://www.funsupply.com/airguns/qb78.html
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Msg. 272475  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 09:33:11:

In Reply to: Crosman 38T posted by PeteC on August 07, 2000 at 09:22:08:

You might try "Bryan and Associates"....URL below.

I just got a 38T from them :-)
Not sure if they sell the pieces/parts, but they do rebuild and reseal vintage Crosmans.
Mac1 might have this piece also.

So basically, I suppose I am saying go to the Airgun Letter "resource" page and contact all the folks there listed as doing Crosman rebuilds :-)

fwiw- I have a good-shooting but beatup looking 38C with a busted grip panel on it. I plan on making a silicone mold off of the 38T grip, then casting a resin grip panel for the 38C. Easy stuff to do once you have the hang of casting things.

hth, Jack

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Msg. 272474  Posted by James McAllister on August 07, 2000 at 09:26:40:

How do the QB Chinese clones of the Crosman 160 rifle compare ? Good, Bad, Indefferent? Any opinions, thoughts, comparisons, information appreciated. James.
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Msg. 272473  Posted by Chucky on August 07, 2000 at 09:23:56:

Never really did see or feel Daisy powerline pistols, so I don't know what they're made of. I asked the site again but all they said was that the barrel and some internal parts are made of metal. What I'm worried about is the frame and the body and slide (for semi-auto's). I'm concerned more about the models 44 and 400gx's makes.
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Msg. 272472  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 07, 2000 at 09:23:53:

In Reply to: Pellet traps posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 14:38:30:

There is some plexiglass that is very thick and could stop the pellet or at least not break. You will still run inot the pellet vaporization / deflection / lead contamination issues if shooting indoors. If the caulk is to be used to stop the pellets as in ballistic putty, then I doubt it will hold up. See my site for a improved silent pellet trap and instructions on how to make one.

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Msg. 272471  Posted by PeteC on August 07, 2000 at 09:22:08:

Does anyone know of a source of parts for a Crosman 38T? I need a grip panel( the removeable side)and a complete set of seals including the seal at the piercing pin.
Thanks
Pete
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Msg. 272470  Posted by Cornel on August 07, 2000 at 09:21:07:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:


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Msg. 272469  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 07, 2000 at 09:19:52:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

Yes computer programming can be considered a hobby.

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Msg. 272468  Posted by Derrin on August 07, 2000 at 09:17:42:

Can you adjust the power on a SLR 98 like you can on a RX-1 ????
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Msg. 272467  Posted by Marco on August 07, 2000 at 09:14:43:

In Reply to: Re: I love my yard and quiet airguns posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 15:02:12:

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Msg. 272466  Posted by Marco on August 07, 2000 at 09:13:28:

In Reply to: Pellet traps posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 14:38:30:

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Msg. 272464  Posted by Rick McAllister on August 07, 2000 at 09:01:30:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

nt
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Msg. 272463  Posted by Marco on August 07, 2000 at 08:52:14:

In Reply to: Marco, heres the answer to your question... / My scope posted by TheMatrix on August 06, 2000 at 19:44:14:

Well, that's nice...And so is the scope. Good Luck with it!

(I bought a Simmons 3x-9x40 yesterday (newprice $170, WOW...)
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Msg. 272462  Posted by Stocky on August 07, 2000 at 08:38:08:

In Reply to: 20 Cal Kodiak and a bit " O " butter posted by Pel-It on August 05, 2000 at 02:37:10:


I wonder if the Krytox based pellet lube for springers, ooops...I mean dry chain lube for Bikes, finish line, would help at all with potential fouling occurances?
I've been trying it on a couple for a couple of months...and have nothing to report yet...but someone else used the stuff for over a year and really swears by it.
JMO
Stocky
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Msg. 272461  Posted by Gmakcedide on August 07, 2000 at 08:11:54:

In Reply to: actually, I believe it's just residual charge from your last shot. posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 07:30:27:

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Msg. 272460  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 08:08:20:

I say "probably regret" because so far all I get in response to this question are temp charts. I know first-hand the issues of extreme temps for CO2 guns. I've seen the high temp valve-lock while living and shooting in the Baja desert (gets 110-120 normally all summer where I lived)....and the low temp power loss while in Ohio. This isn't a temp issue, I don't think.

Here is what has happened over three weekends:
A stock QB-78 in .22 caliber. Shoots excellently in my basement. Took it out to the shooting site and in 80^ no humidity it shot wonderfully. Whacking walnuts with glee, popping the odd feathered foe. No problems at all over 4 hours of shooting.
Shot great all that next week in my basement.
Went out again to the shooting site. It shot well for about 20 shots. I used those for sighting and getting the feel of ranging the Bushnell. Then walked the trail in search of critters. Popped a starling through the chest (and out it's back) at 20 yards....no problem. Walked further (maybe 1/2 hour had elapsed by this point) and couldn't hit a thing afterward. Realized it was hitting 2-8 inches low at 10-15 yards (sighted in at 10 yards, normally slightly high at 20 yards).
Went back to the target area to rejoin Stan and Thom. The gun just would not really shoot by then. Went to check it's velocity on the chrono...it wouldn't even pop a pellet out the bore. Yet it had maintained a fairly constant 554fps the weekend prior.
Now, the temp was the same. The ONLY apparent factor that was different was the 100% humidity level the day the QB-78 stopped functioning.
I took it home, let it sit in the rack one hour. Picked it up and it shot dead-on where it had been sighted..over and over and over again. With penetration into ductseal back to it's normal 1 inch. It's shot well all week long after that.
I went out again yesterday. Same thing. It shot well for about 20 shots over 1/2 hour, then started dropping in power radically. Again, temps were fine...around 72 or so...humidity was way up there...a dripping morning, you could almost swim through the air.
Luckily, I had brought the backup QB-88 along, just in case. After missing several birds with the declining 78, I switched guns. Three feathered chest thumps later I was glad I had. It may have a smaller thump than the .22, but at least it hit where I aimed it.

So my question remains; Is there a relationship between humidity and valving on CO2 guns? Ambient air pressure factors? Moisture in the air affecting valve mechanicals? I'm curious.
I shoot CO2 as much as possible due to having RSD in my right arm. Makes things tricky to cock springers repeatedly. Looks like I'll be heading back to springers more though...at least mild ones. And no, the budget precludes PCP.

Now, to throw in another wrench in the works; The cartridge revolvers we were shooting seemed to function better than the QB-78. They chrono'd low, but still shot well. The QB-78 simply declined to the point of not shooting at all. Could there be a difference in how things affect the pressurized tube vs how things affect cartridge (non-pressure) tubes?

Anyone have an idea besides the standard "temp chart" stuff?

tia, Jack



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Msg. 272459  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 07, 2000 at 08:01:29:

In Reply to: Where is J.Maccari web page (NT) posted by Horace on August 07, 2000 at 07:32:31:


You can either place an ad in American Airguns classifieds, or e-mail Jim Maccari (stockmaker) to
see if he has any. His e-mail is macc4644@magnus.net RB
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Msg. 272457  Posted by Horace on August 07, 2000 at 07:32:31:

Where is J.Maccari web page

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Msg. 272455  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 07:30:27:

In Reply to: It's the airgun elves in the middle of the night. (nt) posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 06:36:15:

When you tripped the valve on the last shot of the day, not all the air came out of the reservoir. There is usually a small residual charge left in it. Before tucking yourself into bed tonight, dry fire it if you don't want the elves to have a charged weapon to play with while you dream of sugar plums.

But aren't you storing the 1322 with one pump in it for the seal's sake?

Jack

Then again, maybe the elves ARE pumping it in the middle of the night?


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Msg. 272454  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 07:21:40:

In Reply to: Thanks for all of you input... posted by John on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:00:

To quote "A Christmas Story"....

Hey, what are you reading this for anyway...didn't you see the "nt" on the subject?
But nooooo, you just had to look for text didn't you? :-)
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Msg. 272453  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 07, 2000 at 07:15:38:

In Reply to: Cody Dotter, read this........ posted by Bob Kelly on August 06, 2000 at 17:11:40:

Hi Bob! I got your e-mail. My Dad won't buy one.
:-( He shoots fire-arms. Well I have to wait till
Christmas to get the gun. Because I usualy get
$50 for Christmas. And I'll have to take some $$$
out of my savings account.
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Msg. 272452  Posted by RGunn on August 07, 2000 at 07:02:06:

In Reply to: Mr R Gunn posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 15:06:34:

Paul,
I did machine it myself. It is made of steel. The total weight of the brake/handle is only 2 ounces more than it was originally. I cut off 1" of the barrel before installing the brake. The end result was just a about an even swap on the weight.

I hate to admit this, but the real reason I built the brake/handle was just because I like the way they look :-) Although, I do understand the benefit of adding weight to the muzzle end of the barrel.
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Msg. 272451  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 06:41:33:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

nt
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Msg. 272450  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 06:38:35:

In Reply to: Crosman 1008 and Daisy 45 loose barrels ? posted by georgeB on August 07, 2000 at 00:26:42:

Yep, common issue for 1008's.
Glue it in place...I used Cyanoacrylate glue on mine. The hobby type, not KMart "superglue".
Silicone adhesive like Permatex 65A will work well also.

hth, Jack
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Msg. 272449  Posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 06:36:15:

In Reply to: 1322 again posted by GMackeddie on August 07, 2000 at 05:30:54:

nt
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Msg. 272448  Posted by Jon G on August 07, 2000 at 06:15:44:

In Reply to: Women posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 22:09:33:

:>)
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Call Tim @ MAC1 for Adapter for Standard Paint Ball Tank nt


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Msg. 272447  Posted by Roger Barker on August 07, 2000 at 06:12:21:

In Reply to: Can you use another source/tank, other than Crosman refill cylinder for filling?...Thanks..nt posted by Chavez on August 06, 2000 at 17:48:59:

Chavez,

Tim at MAC1 makes adapters that will allow you to use standard paint ball bottles.

Roger Barker
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Msg. 272446  Posted by GMackeddie on August 07, 2000 at 05:30:54:

ive found that after i wake up that my 1322 has gathered air over night not enough to launch a pellet but still enough to go pop rather loudly. just wanted to know why this is and alsois it normal????
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Msg. 272445  Posted by John Sa. on August 07, 2000 at 05:04:24:

In Reply to: I agree, I agree posted by Billy on August 06, 2000 at 11:35:26:

I'm sure that they can tell you why. Iif you believe ld, he doesn't post here by choice.

Besides, the web is the web. Do you really expect us to believe that it is some sort of crime that everyone in airgunworld doesn't post on one single forum. You can easily have access to their wisdom (and major BS) by just typing. Where's the disgrace in that??????
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Msg. 272443  Posted by Vet1 on August 07, 2000 at 04:45:38:

In Reply to: Ballistic inoculation airguns posted by dave on August 07, 2000 at 03:02:27:


See link below.

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Msg. 272442  Posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 04:42:16:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

I just added airgunning to my existing list!

- motorcycles
- road racing bicycles (the Lance Armstron variety)
- music
- camping
- living in the country (ceased being an obsession as of feb 20, 1998)
- badminton
- women -- or rather, one particular woman.

Those are the major obsessions. Oh, to have more time ;-)

peter
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Msg. 272441  Posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 04:37:15:

In Reply to: Pump PCP Guys are NOT Wussies posted by chasm on August 07, 2000 at 00:04:22:

Or make your springer shoot better ;-) (working on it)

cheers,
peter
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Msg. 272440  Posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 04:35:26:

In Reply to: RWS Sidelever accuracy contest [ group, velocity + grains] posted by Sidelever_Freak on August 06, 2000 at 22:45:15:

... of course, an attempt to keep things at least somewhat equal, you'd have to have all the contestants shoot at the same scope magnification too.

peter
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Msg. 272439  Posted by John Sa. on August 07, 2000 at 04:23:23:

In Reply to: Re: Experience is a hard teacher, but some will accept no other...(nt) posted by John on August 06, 2000 at 23:58:40:

I've known lots of guys like you. The really funny(funny sick, not funny 'haha') thing, is that when things finally do go really wrong, they always keep saying--"But I didn't know that could happen!" or "But I didn't think that would happen!" And this, no matter how many people told them just what could/would happen ahead of time.

By the way, wisdom is more than just a word, it's a way of life. You should take the time to find out what it means. It's definitely a lot more than having a snappy answer when someone says something you disagree with. In case you're wondering, a person who can listen to counsel from many experienced people and still choose to ignore it isn't displaying any--in fact, that is just about the opposite thing, by definition.

You can rest at ease that I'm not trying to change your mind, I knew that was useless from the start, I'm just hoping that others who read this won't follow your example.
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Msg. 272438  Posted by John Sa. on August 07, 2000 at 04:10:00:

In Reply to: Re: Experience is a hard teacher, but some will accept no other...(nt) posted by John on August 06, 2000 at 23:58:40:

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Msg. 272437  Posted by jcbii on August 07, 2000 at 03:16:36:

In Reply to: Your missing the point posted by GF on August 06, 2000 at 21:06:35:

Please read M Boyle's post. Regardless of the Federal permit, you cannot legally own one in several states, counties, etc. If you want to challenge this post, simply try to get a permit in Kalifornia.

jcbii
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Msg. 272436  Posted by Steve B. on August 07, 2000 at 03:05:30:

In Reply to: Homemade bipod... ? posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 20:58:26:

Al: Muzzle loader guys shoot a fifty yard buffalo match off "cross sticks"; guns typicaly weigh 10 lbs+. I made mine from a pair of 3/4 dowels. Now a muzzle loader guy wouldn't be caught dead with any thing but a genuine leather thong to bind them together with but I strongly suspect you could use hi-tech stuff too. Anyway bind them to together at a height of your choosing (jeez decisions decisions), point the dowels if you wish, use padding if you wish. Feastoon with decorations of your choosing.

Directions for use: lay the gun over the X and party (actually assume a sitting position, then party). If you shop foolishly they might cost $5.00 to make - cool. Good luck...

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 272435  Posted by jcbii on August 07, 2000 at 03:02:51:

In Reply to: Pump PCP Guys are NOT Wussies posted by chasm on August 07, 2000 at 00:04:22:

What would that make firearms shooters? lol

jcbii
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Ballistic inoculation airguns


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Msg. 272434  Posted by dave on August 07, 2000 at 03:02:27:

Does anyone have any info on ballistic inoculation with airguns? I've talked with a few fish and game people in the west. Apparently they've been used to inoculate various wild critters without capturing them, but can find no info on who makes the guns or loads. Help.
Dave
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Msg. 272433  Posted by Steve B. on August 07, 2000 at 02:53:55:

In Reply to: Crosman 1008 and Daisy 45 loose barrels ? posted by georgeB on August 07, 2000 at 00:26:42:

george: A bit of silicon sealer/adhesive or epoxy will lock them down. This is an old remedy to a common problem. Good luck...

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 272432  Posted by GH on August 07, 2000 at 02:32:29:

In Reply to: Re: Aug. 7th: Bug Buster's birthday posted by Andrew Leung on August 06, 2000 at 20:37:58:


You and him git'n serious eh?...set a date yet?...b'sides
he's gotta be at least 20 years older......YeHa!!
Happy Boithday Bugs.
GH
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Msg. 272431  Posted by Jay Olson-Goude on August 07, 2000 at 01:24:41:

In Reply to: Need info on the Airgun show, Please. posted by TCooper on August 06, 2000 at 20:18:13:

Hey TCooper,

The World/US National Field Target Championships are also going on that weekend. Stop on out to see the best in the world. Complete information is available at the MAFTA website.

Jay Olson-Goude
Saint Paul, MN

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Msg. 272430  Posted by bcd on August 07, 2000 at 01:16:03:

In Reply to: Re: Aw jeez ! Doug recruited another one ! posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 00:44:34:

Should have mentioned that much much later, I found
that the sign lied. Barcroft is only 13,000' + a
few hundred, but at the time I wasn't counting.
Many years later, I got to thinking about it, and
realized it's a good thing I was young, else that
last breath into the air mattress could have been
my last!
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Msg. 272429  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 01:05:55:

In Reply to: FWB 124 stock posted by Wayne on August 06, 2000 at 23:03:10:

You can either place an ad in American Airguns classifieds, or e-mail Jim Maccari (stockmaker) to see if he has any. His e-mail is macc4644@magnus.net RB
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Msg. 272428  Posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 00:44:34:

In Reply to: Re: Aw jeez ! Doug recruited another one ! posted by bcd on August 07, 2000 at 00:07:24:

Those are the hunting trips where you hide behind rocks, cause there sure aren't any trees up there! I recall not sleeping very well on Mt Evans, because it's tough to get your breathing slowed down enough to relax. An experienced Himalayan climber might laugh at that, but then you'll never find me on Annapurna or Everest either. RB
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Msg. 272427  Posted by georgeB on August 07, 2000 at 00:26:42:

I recently purchased and quickly returned a Daisy 45. After shooting a few times I heard a rattle. Lo and behold the barrel was loose. I took it back to the dealer and we checked all his stock - they all were loose. So much for accuracy.
Anyway, I also have a Crosman 1008. Today I wondered about a ratytle thath has been there all along. Initially I suspected the extra weights that they put in the gun for balance, but guess what --- A loose barrel. Are they all like this? What about the CB 40's?
frustrated
george B
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Msg. 272426  Posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 00:20:48:

In Reply to: Women posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 22:09:33:

Russ in the case of my mom costing, my step dad..id say my airguns are cheaper as all together they, i think are less then $5000 of stuff ..now that inclueds the jw80 that i dont have yet ..harry stieber took a brake, i here. so, it may be there..just not on its way
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Msg. 272425  Posted by bcd on August 07, 2000 at 00:07:24:

In Reply to: Re: Aw jeez ! Doug recruited another one ! posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 22:56:27:

OK, time for quick cute hunting story.
- Decided to go deer hunting in the Eastern Sierra.
- Road just North of Lone Pine went where I wanted to go.
- Got there after dark, and started up the trail.
- Map showed a fork in the road, with left fork marked
30% downgrade only.
- Climbed and climbed until had to put poor little four-
banger Scout in low range.
- Crossed creek beds, etc. looking for the road fork.
- Finally found flat place to pull over and decided
to call it a night.
- Cooked a can of Bounty Stew and ate it.
- Took deep breath to inflate air mattress ... that was
last thing I remembered.
- Morning awakened with bright sun and tweeting birds.
- As the scene came into focus I saw a group of people
behind a chain link fence, in bunny suits, wearing
oxygen tanks and doing calisthentics.
- As fence finally came into focus I saw a sign:
Mt Barcroft High Altitude Observatory, 14,000 feet.

End of hunting trip :-)
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Msg. 272424  Posted by chasm on August 07, 2000 at 00:04:22:

Fellow Airgunners,

Thanks to some great airgunner hospitality out in the northern California wine country, I now know a whole lot more about PCP's. Prior to this trip, I naively assumed that a PCP was the easy way to attain high power and one hole accuracy at extreme ranges. This was simply accomplished by purchasing a PCP and the required support equipment. I likened the PCP folks to golfers who buy the latest Tiger Woods Nike golf balls or anything else, equipment wise, that will catapult their game over that of their peers. Well after this trip, I can say that I've seen the light. I'm ammending my opinion of the PCP guys. Here it is. PCP guys are even bigger Wussies that I thought. It's just all too easy to get great groups at extreme ranges and high power levels. However, I'm now excepting, from Wussiedom, those PCP guys who use a pump. Pumping is HARD work. I'm also still excepting California PCP folks as I may want to return and re-visit my buds out there.

Now if any non-California, non-pump, PCP Wussie wants to escape that sobriquet, they need to do what I just did. Take your most expensive springer, get totally embarassed by your host's PCP groups by spraying springer shots all over the place, and try to figure out what you can do to make that springer be more that a nice looking mantle piece.

BTW, I've now met with several folks thru the Forum and the experiences have been great. Haven't been Raoul'd yet!

chasm
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Msg. 272423  Posted by jb/ohio on August 07, 2000 at 00:03:24:

In Reply to: Re: Trend of the times posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 13:08:01:

thank you mike, esp. in re being pc on hunting or shooting issues. we're all shooters here, but some of the postings almost seem like they come from people seeking approval and in-group standing (all they have to do is to be a shooter to be "in"). and, when combined with character assassination and simplistic politics, i start really getting aroused. i've been on this forum since it started (and shooters.com before that). while i've tried to stay away from pc and similar posts, i've not always been successful. as i review this post, i can imagine it being taken as insulting or offensive. well, i've simply spoken my mind, with no names or name calling. in the past few months i've tried to restrict myself to airguns, i hope successfully. and, i entirely agree with you in opposing a password system, although it probably makes edith's work harder (i don't think she has complained). joe blake of ohio
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Msg. 272422  Posted by Roland Martens on August 06, 2000 at 23:59:14:

In Reply to: RWS Sidelever accuracy contest [ group, velocity + grains] posted by Sidelever_Freak on August 06, 2000 at 22:45:15:

m54 GSI cal .22 CP's 14.3 gr, 1/2" at 40 Yds.
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Msg. 272421  Posted by John on August 06, 2000 at 23:58:40:

In Reply to: Experience is a hard teacher, but some will accept no other...(nt) posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 19:27:43:

I agree... that's why i know what i do is safe. I am glad to see someone shares my wisdom.
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Msg. 272420  Posted by Dave K. on August 06, 2000 at 23:56:01:

I was just over at the Airgun Shooting Sports web site and they mentioned that there is a new underlever coming from Weihrauch.

If this is the first you have heard, then here is the link. Don't ask me anything, as this is the first I have heard about it too. :-)

Regards,
Dave


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Msg. 272419  Posted by John on August 06, 2000 at 23:52:48:

In Reply to: Homemade bipod... ? posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 20:58:26:

I made one for fun to use with my air rifle and .22 that works great. I used a 1" x 1/2" board (stick almost) and cut 2 equal lenghts (length depends on whether its for prone or sitting). I drilled through both boards in the same spot and used a small bolt to connect them with a washer in the middle. The tighter the bolt the harder it will be to open and close so its costomizable. Works fine and i even camoed mine.
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Msg. 272418  Posted by Bill S. on August 06, 2000 at 23:41:28:

In Reply to: Re: Anybody know of way to scope a crosman model 400? posted by acet on August 06, 2000 at 19:04:53:


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Msg. 272417  Posted by Andrew on August 06, 2000 at 23:40:17:

In Reply to: THE CHICKEN GUN [url] posted by vZc® on August 06, 2000 at 21:39:23:

I remember reading an article about the chicken gun...

A few years ago, they gave instructions on how to build the chicken gun to the bristh, so they could use it to test their airplanes windshields too. After building the gun, the first test completely destroyed the windshield, the chicken kept going and went through the cockpit, the chair and into the back of the plane... They thought they built the gun wrong, so they asked the Americans what they did wrong, and after a lot of tests, they figured out the problem:
They fired a frozen chicken!!! LOL!
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Msg. 272416  Posted by Michael Aos on August 06, 2000 at 23:39:44:

In Reply to: Re: Marty when you are right you are right. posted by Mike on August 06, 2000 at 12:50:03:

Yep, my wifes .22 Carbine did EXACTLY that. Bought
a trigger-pull gauge from Brownells, set it to 2lbs
and loctited the trigger weight screw. It's worked
fine ever since.

Mike
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Msg. 272415  Posted by Pete on August 06, 2000 at 23:38:23:

In Reply to: Re: Homemade bipod... ? 2X4-s? But seriously.. posted by Lew on August 06, 2000 at 22:54:56:

The military is using one now that looks like a nut cracker on steroids. Looks like it spring loads onto barrel of M-16. Designed for prone position--I think. Folds into compact package.
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Msg. 272414  Posted by Michael Aos on August 06, 2000 at 23:37:50:

In Reply to: Career 707 Trigger posted by Joe Rich on August 06, 2000 at 01:41:58:

The Career I bought for my wife from Mac1 did the
same thing. Turns out the pull-weight adjustment
screw didn't really fit right -- it's almost like it
was too small for the threads. Anyway, it would move
when the lever-action was operated. I finally dropped
some Loctite (I think it was Blue) on it and it's
been fine ever since -- set at 2lbs.

Mike
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Msg. 272413  Posted by Ted on August 06, 2000 at 23:24:56:

In Reply to: Re: THE CHICKEN GUN [url] posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 22:01:00:

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Msg. 272412  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 23:23:23:

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Msg. 272411  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 23:18:38:

In Reply to: Re: First air pistol purchase - Help! posted by jr99 on August 06, 2000 at 04:01:33:

now for suitablety of that gun ..i havnt been on the airguns R US web, in some time. but i remember its ad said it did 1" at 50 yards. and for crow thats just fine.
as many here have used a SS in 22 at less speed to kill crow.
800fps with cps in 22 is a lot of power.
a crow can be killed with 4-7ftlbs. 8ftlbs if you wish. the pistol can do over 12ft lbs..so in short i respectfully disagree that the pistol cant take a crows ..with good camo he could get close to 30yrds if he used somthing that looks like ground cover, seen from abrove. as crows do land in tree's. a ghillie that looks like dead panpass grass\straw, in Dec or Nov should work fine as those month arent that hot in most states

my big concern was price..PCPs can cost.. post known & taken to heart though
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Msg. 272410  Posted by bcd on August 06, 2000 at 23:06:42:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

Do you mean just before, or way before ... or best ever?

What was the question again?
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Msg. 272409  Posted by Wayne on August 06, 2000 at 23:03:10:

Anybody know where to find a stock for a FWB 124? I must have been away too long, seems they are discontinued. Thanks.
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Msg. 272408  Posted by Russ Best on August 06, 2000 at 23:00:30:

In Reply to: Re:oh russ? and unc posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 22:46:57:

MB: it probably could use a new spring and seal about now. I think Mac-1 has done them. RB
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Msg. 272407  Posted by Wayne on August 06, 2000 at 22:59:51:

In Reply to: Any opinions on the old FWB 124 ??? posted by TCooper on August 05, 2000 at 00:38:31:

Old?? Came here looking for a stock replacement and find out the FWB 124 is discontinued. Funny, doesn't seem to have been that long ago that I ....anyway, anybody know where an economical stock might be hiding. Thanks.
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Msg. 272406  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 22:56:27:

In Reply to: Re: Aw jeez ! Doug recruited another one ! posted by bcd on August 06, 2000 at 22:48:01:

One time, I drove up to the top of Mt. Evans (14,264 ft)and watched them. Talk about darkness and clarity! Besides, airguns don't work so well at that altitude (there weren't any PCP guns back then). That was 32 years ago. RB
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Msg. 272405  Posted by Lew on August 06, 2000 at 22:54:56:

In Reply to: Re: Homemade bipod... ? 2X4-s? But seriously.. posted by PbD on August 06, 2000 at 22:30:34:

Monopod may be better than freehand standing, but would not keep the rifle from moving sideways like a Bipod.
So why not just try a tripod? There are some light ones. I would not mout it on the rifle, but use it as a rest. of course with a proper top for supporting the rifle.
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Msg. 272404  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 22:54:29:

In Reply to: Re: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by AIRPOWER on August 06, 2000 at 22:31:27:

i was into gun info (wishlist)..and Playboy newstand specials..they had the best rounded articles ;) ok it was the photos because they had no ads..
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Msg. 272403  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 22:50:18:

In Reply to: Re: Chips Ahoy? Got Milk? Heh heh heh heh LOL it's just one of those days! better than bitching. posted by Lew on August 06, 2000 at 22:21:23:

Lew: you know a joke takes you by surprise when your choppers hit the monitor. RB
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Msg. 272402  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 22:49:48:

In Reply to: Re: Everybody quit asking this!!! posted by Art on August 06, 2000 at 10:04:55:

then PETAs in troublllle!! ;) ACLU will sue if the FBI. does anything to PETA ..they are a group, right?
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Msg. 272401  Posted by McClure on August 06, 2000 at 22:48:59:

In Reply to: Re: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by AIRPOWER on August 06, 2000 at 22:31:27:

Pretty women were my obsession,,,but then I found airguns,,, guns are more fun,,,less trouble,,make less noise,, cheaper to.
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Msg. 272400  Posted by bcd on August 06, 2000 at 22:48:01:

In Reply to: Re: Aw jeez ! Doug recruited another one ! posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:47:03:

I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING I LIKED ABOUT YOU!!!

1. My oldest son's birthday is on the day of the Perseids.
2. One of my other excuses for spending money is ham radio,
and the Perseids shower is always the most intense meteor
scatter activity.
3. and most important, I'll be laying on the deck of our
cabin at 7000' looking up on the mornings of the 11th
and 12th, on accounta I get major jollies from just
watching the darn rocks!
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Msg. 272399  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 22:46:57:

In Reply to: Re: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by Uncle Gary on August 06, 2000 at 11:34:48:

Unc, same with my P1 ..with ftts in 5mm. i clock my 5mm p1 at 499-494fps i was getting 430 or less and a big bang atleast 3 times..oh russ do you do P1 tunes? the thing is im guessing 13+yrs old..only one supertune in the first 5Yrs when Mr Beeman was still boss..btw Willeys 22 kodiak haes them ..like my 5mm R1 hates the CPs
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Msg. 272398  Posted by Sidelever_Freak on August 06, 2000 at 22:45:15:

for objective data collection.

Points = (group size) X (muzzle velocity) X (pellet weight) ?

buttkicker [48/52] & recoiless [54] classes
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Msg. 272397  Posted by bcd on August 06, 2000 at 22:37:29:

In Reply to: On youngsters and powerful adult style airguns. posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:04:16:

The one thing that got my then 18 year old attention
was the sight of my first jack rabbit blown apart
by a .22 mag rimfire. It was a very big animal,
and as I picked up the remains, my brother took
my picture. That picture showed the stretched out
jack to be almost as long as my leg, and the
juxtaposition of that blown apart animal and my leg
left a VERY lasting impression. After that, we all
increased our safety precautions far beyond what
we had been taught, read, etc.

PS: For those who keep touting "head shots" as quick
kills, you obviously haven't seen a headless jack
kick up dust for 30 seconds. Flouncing around
does NOT equate with suffering. Blowing off an
animal's jaw or or putting out its eye does.
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Msg. 272396  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 22:35:32:

In Reply to: Why can I see a pellet fly but unable to see a barn door at 10 paces? posted by jeffl on August 06, 2000 at 08:03:06:

whats going on? well i think its the same thing with a monitor but in reverse. the eyes focus at one speed and the monitor scans at a much faster rate..on a cheap slow montor we see a line zipping up past our eyes..on tv we really see the line as the tv scans at a super high rate..the eyes in yer case can refocus fast enough that you see the pellet..if its the pistol 450fps is as fast as it goes..strobe increase this effect
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Msg. 272395  Posted by Driskill on August 06, 2000 at 22:31:46:

In Reply to: Re: Tyrolean stocks!!!!...shutzen bitte... posted by Steve B. on August 06, 2000 at 01:21:44:


Steve, I used to have many of your same misgivings until I lucked into a HW 55 Tyrolean. Mass-produced or not, it fits me perfectly, in fact much better than any other target rifle I have. I used to think my HW 55 MM was a pretty slick-handling gun, but it's a bit clunky next to the T.

The gun is no heavier than my MM either. There really isn't that much wood in the cheekpiece, and the rest of the T's stock is actually somewhat slimmer than the MM.

My chief frustration for target use is that Tyroleans are illegal in any NRA or UIT rules match--they work too well!
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Msg. 272394  Posted by AIRPOWER on August 06, 2000 at 22:31:27:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

Firearms: I was planning to open a Gun Shop ,with
myself being the full time gunsmith.

Then Slick Willie and Ragin'Reno came to power,
the rest is history.

Bob
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Msg. 272393  Posted by PbD on August 06, 2000 at 22:30:34:

In Reply to: Re: Homemade bipod... ? 2X4-s? But seriously.. posted by Lew on August 06, 2000 at 21:35:34:

Maybe a camera monopod? Light,quickly adjustable,
and easy to carry. Just a thought.

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Msg. 272391  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 22:25:42:

In Reply to: Crotchedy people posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 09:28:12:

some of us, including me, forget our fiber..and, Human respect. which is, or shouldbe. given at birth ..
although i think some types of respect are earned. that said,all here including me, should have paitance with new people, till respect is developed..
hope i didnt come off as a rearend in this post..
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Msg. 272390  Posted by Lew on August 06, 2000 at 22:21:23:

In Reply to: Chips Ahoy? Got Milk? posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:43:47:

well my teeth stayed inside though...
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Msg. 272389  Posted by bcd on August 06, 2000 at 22:20:34:

In Reply to: Re: Urban legend? posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:05:13:

You are not alone ... in spite of what a duped media would have us believe.
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Msg. 272388  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 22:19:53:

In Reply to: Re: I was into chess big time hehe. posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 22:16:45:


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Msg. 272386  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 22:16:45:

In Reply to: I was into chess big time hehe. posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 22:12:52:

Steve: I was on the Chess Team in high school( plus soccer, volleyball and track). After discovering girls, I was on the Chest Team. LOL Russ
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Msg. 272385  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 22:14:12:

In Reply to: On youngsters and powerful adult style airguns. posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:04:16:

consist=consistant
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Msg. 272384  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 22:12:52:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

Used to go play in tournaments around the state.
Nf6...check mate hehehe
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Msg. 272383  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 22:12:00:

In Reply to: On youngsters and powerful adult style airguns. posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:04:16:

Russ, are you now getting the dads or moms involved, so they know that rule 1 is always consider it loaded. rule 2 alway point it in a safe dirrection..and 3 make sure of the back stop and whats behind it..so on and so on..thats one reason teaching hasto be consist..if schools\the teacher, teaches one thing and the parant teaches a nother..kids will start teaching themself..because its not reinforced by both..

my 2 cents..
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Msg. 272382  Posted by GH on August 06, 2000 at 22:09:49:

In Reply to: Cost of Airgun Components? posted by Happy Gardener on August 06, 2000 at 14:48:40:


Based on valve quality and/or performance which current pump airgun ,or mfg.,
produces the best knock-open exhaust valve? Any thoughts as to the difference in
mfg.cost between the average and the best?
Thanks,
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Msg. 272381  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 22:09:33:

In Reply to: Poll: Before Airguns What Was Your Obsession? (nt) posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:00:

This hobby is FAR cheaper ! Truthfully- It's been the longest running hobby of mine.. 44 years. Other hobies have been: Motorcycles, auto racing, and yes- women. RB :>)
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Msg. 272380  Posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 22:07:02:

In Reply to: Homemade bipod... ? posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 20:58:26:

A very nice website and bipod at end.

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Msg. 272378  Posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 22:06:23:

In Reply to: Airgun origin enquiry. posted by James Webster on August 06, 2000 at 15:09:30:

Dr. Robert Beeman, (founder of Beeman precision airguns), founded an airgun museum in California with guns going back to the 1500's. if you go to www.beeman.com, there may be a link to e-mail the museum. Also, there is a good chapter on airgun collecting/old airguns in airgun digest volume 3 by J.J Galan. (Great read.
good luck-
john from NY
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Msg. 272377  Posted by Ian on August 06, 2000 at 22:03:53:

In Reply to: offhand springer shooters -- accuracy poll... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:23:37:

I am awful offhand too. In fact, at my FT shoots, they have off-hand class by itself. Not many people enter. Then we have about two forced off hand shots, I think they are pretty hard and are used to separate the boys from the men. (I guess that makes me a boy at 39!)

Ian
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Msg. 272376  Posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 22:01:00:

In Reply to: THE CHICKEN GUN [url] posted by vZc® on August 06, 2000 at 21:39:23:

I've got to get one of those! I hope PETA isn't monitering this forum...

great link.

john from NY
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Msg. 272375  Posted by Ian on August 06, 2000 at 21:59:50:

In Reply to: Miserable beasts posted by Charles Guatney on August 05, 2000 at 12:23:27:

Some of you guys ought to look around this site more. I believe that there is a little info (or just pictures)on Paul Watts shooting Nutria under airgun hunting.

Ian
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Msg. 272374  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 21:58:47:

In Reply to: Not illegal in the USA. Just pay the tax. posted by GF on August 06, 2000 at 19:11:10:

you have U.S, law. then, state. then, county or township..
here its illegal.. no ifs ands of buts.
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Msg. 272373  Posted by Ron Y. on August 06, 2000 at 21:58:37:

In Reply to: distance for pistol shooting posted by Greg S on August 06, 2000 at 20:22:57:

International 10 meters.
Silouhete up to 53 ft.
Check Brad Troyers web, all the info there.
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Msg. 272372  Posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 21:58:28:

In Reply to: Re: Scope mount for hurricane posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:48:15:

I bought it used. SO I slapped that one on.
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Msg. 272371  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:53:34:

In Reply to: Re: Marksman 0040 posted by Dr.J. on August 06, 2000 at 19:18:53:

The 45 isn't bad. The S-1/45 are made by Norica (spain) and are typical spanish springers. Good accuracy and power with a so-so trigger. If you are scoping it- get a drooper mount. You'll need it. Mine likes RWS Superdomes and chinese match domes. The front sight can be heated with a hairdryer (on hot) then tapped off with a block and mallet. RB
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Msg. 272370  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 21:51:47:

In Reply to: The Order of the Defense of Truth Against Ruthless Best (ODARB) comes to the rescue! ;-) posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 18:37:28:

that far im happy to hit a 3"-5"target ..btw after 5 or so shots with my P1 open sights "in wind" (target 30+yrds)i did (bragging) ;)..thought willey and i would die in that heat..last weeks of july& the first week of aug are a B***h, for heat & humidity. even that dang wind didnt help
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Msg. 272368  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:49:04:

In Reply to: Re: Scope mount for hurricane posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:48:15:

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Msg. 272366  Posted by Art on August 06, 2000 at 21:48:54:

In Reply to: Homemade bipod... ? posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 20:58:26:

Don't have any on an Airgun yet but I use them on my Centerfire rifles. Harris Bipods work very well. They attach to the rifles front sling swivel mount so an underlever and some break barrel rifles this would be a problem. Another type is plastic and clips around the rifle barrel. I haven't tried these but a couple of friends use them and have good luck with them.

I think this type would be easy to make but you can buy them at a gun show probably less than you could buy the materials to make them. The Harris bi-pods would be easy to make if you have the right machine tools. They do adjust verticaly. the legs are spring mounted and have grooves cut into them for latching points. Inch spacing I think. Also make Different sizes. Smaller one for prone and bench shooting and a larger one for sitting.
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Msg. 272365  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:48:15:

In Reply to: Scope mount for hurricane posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 21:41:35:

Matt: your Hurrincane didn't come with a scope mount? RB
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Msg. 272363  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:47:03:

In Reply to: Re: Aw jeez ! Doug recruited another one ! posted by bcd on August 06, 2000 at 21:31:02:

Got a programmable starfinder? I'm already getting psyched for the Perseids.. RB
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Msg. 272362  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:43:47:

In Reply to: Greg, that was funnnnny! I was just eating a cookie, now look at my monitor... posted by Lew on August 06, 2000 at 21:29:58:

Peanut Butter on Ritz crackers could have been worse. RB:>)
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Msg. 272361  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 21:42:03:

In Reply to: Scope and range probs... posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 14:59:45:

arcs up then down..beeman had the 10-50yrd sight in thing for the most part confuses some hunter. in FT i read they sight in, more at 33 yrds not 10yrds..this is so it shoots flat to 33yrds and only up clicks from there..if you put a 5" target at 50 yrds i bet it will be in the black..this is a guess as i havnt done 50 yrds, in a long time..the shooting im doing with willey M amazrs me we went plinking yester day and i sighted in my P1 at more then 30 yrds and hit a 3" shoot N see target right in the middle with open sights after about 5 shoots to sight it in..hit it dead center in lots of wind ..if i had a Digi cam id have some proof..
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Msg. 272360  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:41:42:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet weight and airgun power posted by Greg Fischer on August 06, 2000 at 21:23:16:

Greg: I'm becoming more and more convinced that I should write " A Newbies Guide To Airguns", or the presumptuously titled "Everything You ever Wanted To Know About Anything" (snort!). I'd even let Doug Owen and Peter Huppertz do the proofreading ! LOL Russ
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Msg. 272359  Posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 21:41:35:

I thought of something and it worked. I took the mounts off of my blue streak and put them on my hurricane and Volia! I guess this will work on the tempest also.
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Msg. 272358  Posted by vZc® on August 06, 2000 at 21:39:23:

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Msg. 272357  Posted by Lew on August 06, 2000 at 21:35:34:

In Reply to: Homemade bipod... ? posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 20:58:26:

I saw some on TNN tonight. They looked pretty cool. I want some too.
It lookrd like they were telescoping. I wonder if some camera tripod could be modified?
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Msg. 272356  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:33:31:

In Reply to: Re: DUMB QUESTION posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 08:10:16:

Cody: besides what Peter says- you'd have to lop 6" off the stock just to hold it correctly so you could reach the trigger (if indeed your fingers are already long enough to comfortably span the area from the pistol grip to the trigger). I presently doubt this. These are after all, ADULT airguns. They are sized for people who are fully a foot taller (or more) than you are. If you can't hold them consistently and properly, you'll not achieve good accuracy with them.
Stick with the smaller airguns for now. One must learn to walk before we can run. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 272355  Posted by PJ on August 06, 2000 at 21:33:00:

In Reply to: Re: WHY NOT GET AN RX-1? posted by GT on August 06, 2000 at 15:29:52:


Try Lewis Reinhold at Beeman Australia
PO BOX 155
Archerfield
Queensland
AUSTRALIA 4108
Phone # 0733456100
He offers great service , and has good stock on hand . I agree go for 20 cal , Lewis just sent me a 20 cal. TAUNUS by Theoben ,it shoots great !
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Msg. 272354  Posted by bcd on August 06, 2000 at 21:31:02:

In Reply to: Aw jeez ! Doug recruited another one ! posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 19:45:52:

HEY! Watch it with the Celestron jokes!
I have a trusty G5 that lets me spend money faster
than on airguns ... so far ... (fearing reprisal).
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Msg. 272353  Posted by Lew on August 06, 2000 at 21:29:58:

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Msg. 272352  Posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 21:29:23:

In Reply to: Pellet weight and airgun power posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 21:08:37:

I've heard Russ say this a few times and I recall him saying for .177 springers keep it between 7.4-9.5±. Note the ±. Hope this helps
Paul in MI
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Msg. 272351  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 06, 2000 at 21:23:16:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet weight and airgun power posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:10:14:

Russ,
Cat got your tongue?
heehee...
Greg
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Msg. 272350  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 06, 2000 at 21:20:38:

In Reply to: Blue Streak posted by Pepi on August 06, 2000 at 19:18:13:

A peep sight, if the hole is small enough, acts like a pinhole camera... everything is in focus and it'll correct for any refractive errors your eyes my have. The Merit Iris (screws into the rear peep sight) is cool (but expensive) and allows you to "dial in" the aperture size you need for any lighting conditions. The smaller the hole, the better the focus (greater the depth of field) BUT the dimmer the image... so it's a trade off. Scoping the Streak makes pumping a little awkward. If you get a long eye relief (pistol) scope, you can mount it forward (with the intermount) and still have some gun to hold onto to help you pump.
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Msg. 272349  Posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 21:15:36:

In Reply to: Good camp pistol posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 18:49:19:

Well, for close range, a 2289 might fit the bill. Before I let it go, I was getting about 8.2 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. It was a MAC-1 modified version for about $95. The black pistol grips didn't match the pump arm, but for that money I couldn't complain. Hope this helps,
Paul in MI
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Msg. 272348  Posted by HG on August 06, 2000 at 21:11:26:

In Reply to: Steelgate and the 52 posted by Pel-It on August 06, 2000 at 20:19:55:

Cost is $90, product number is SGT52
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Msg. 272347  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:10:14:

In Reply to: Pellet weight and airgun power posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 21:08:37:

You're fine Albert. RB
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Msg. 272346  Posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 21:08:37:

I know that you shouldn't use too light or too heavy pellets with your gun, but how can you know it ? Do you have a chart or something like that ?

For example, I'm shooting a 715 fps rifle with 7.9 grains. Is this ok ?

Thanks a lot (again)!
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Msg. 272345  Posted by GF on August 06, 2000 at 21:06:35:

In Reply to: You're missing the point. posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 19:38:40:

There is nothing questionable about the legality of silencers. Pay the tax and your alright. Don't pay the tax and you are breaking the law.
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Msg. 272344  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 21:05:13:

In Reply to: Re: Urban legend? posted by G. Jang on August 06, 2000 at 16:06:16:

Galen: if I cut loose about the Clinton's ( who I've NEVER supported) I'd be in deep doo doo. If you think Willy is slick, wait 'til you read up on Hillary's past! Both of them are experts at distraction and deceit and they just love waving anything to do with children in our faces because they know the public. They are quite possibly the biggest pair of phonies ever to live in the White House. I'd better stop here before I gather up too much speed. RB


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Msg. 272343  Posted by GF on August 06, 2000 at 21:04:14:

In Reply to: Not illegal in the USA. Just pay the tax. posted by GF on August 06, 2000 at 19:11:10:

But the permit costs the smae either way.
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Msg. 272342  Posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 20:58:26:

Hello !

Do any of you have an idea on how to build a light airgun bipod ? (wood or metal)...

It looks pretty easy to make your own, but do any of you ever tried ? If so, are the results good ?

Thanks a lot !

Al
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Msg. 272341  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 20:56:30:

In Reply to: Re: WHY NOT GET AN RX-1? posted by GT on August 06, 2000 at 15:29:52:

That's not all bad, I don't think .177 is a good choice in the RX-1 anyway. Go with .20 or .22.
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Msg. 272340  Posted by Doug Law on August 06, 2000 at 20:54:34:

In Reply to: Anyone heard of a RWS 68??? posted by TCooper on August 06, 2000 at 20:27:39:

Only think I can think of if it is a misprint and its the 88 or Skanaker olympic match pistol with adjustable grips and barrel that tilts from front. That is a co2match pistol. I have one and its neat! If you put a long .22 b arrel on it and dont get caught by rcmp, you can hit 600 fps with it. I hope this helps some.

Doug law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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Msg. 272339  Posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 20:50:27:

In Reply to: distance for pistol shooting posted by Greg S on August 06, 2000 at 20:22:57:

NRA,
25 feet. So is rifle but targets are a little different.
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Msg. 272338  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 20:50:11:

In Reply to: Re: Beretta Air Pistols posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 20:26:17:

I should have checked--especially since the idea of several people named John shouldn't be foreign to me of all people.
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Msg. 272337  Posted by Andrew Leung on August 06, 2000 at 20:45:53:

In Reply to: Re: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Eric on August 06, 2000 at 02:02:25:

You didn't say it, I was putting my 2 cents worth as I do like the Sheridan rifle quite alot.

Steroid treatment is really good imo, and the best is done on the newest version as trigger is tunable as well.

When I was hunting alot with my Sheridan, I didn't see a need to pump maximum as generally the problems with accuracy occurs as well as the gun was really optimum to perform at about 15-17 ft-lb level without the pump mechanism stress the compression tube. This has been discussed by Mac1 and others to name a few.

When I had my modified gun, I could take it to maximum pumps though I saw the great benefit of pumping less and getting the same power as I would maximum pumps...less stress to the mechanism, less effort to pump and I still got decent accuracy.

The Sheridan is one of the most rugged and dependable airguns out there.
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Msg. 272336  Posted by thom on August 06, 2000 at 20:44:58:

In Reply to: Re: trigger pull posted by Mike on August 06, 2000 at 17:09:35:

Put a hole in the wall to the outside like that.. hard to explane that to the distaff side
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Msg. 272335  Posted by Andrew Leung on August 06, 2000 at 20:37:58:

In Reply to: Re: Aug. 7th: Bug Buster's birthday posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 18:50:25:

He has been busy last I spoke with him...I will give him a ring.
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Msg. 272334  Posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 20:34:40:

In Reply to: Looking for air gun club posted by Greg S on August 06, 2000 at 20:27:35:

Go to the links page on the main site, there's a whole listing of clubs there.
-john from NY
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Msg. 272333  Posted by thom on August 06, 2000 at 20:34:21:

does any one know of a URL that might have the instructions on how to tweak (increase)the power in a Daystate? If it is a Airgunsmith thing please let me know also.

thanks
THom
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Msg. 272332  Posted by R J K on August 06, 2000 at 20:33:57:

In Reply to: Re: Muzzle Brake posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 14:27:07:

Quack I made one for my SS , the barrel is .670 if i recall. This one is made of brass ond allumin , it looks good but is not too light be cause of the brass insert. I was thinking of makeing one out of all steel and painting it like R-Gunns . Interested ???
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Msg. 272331  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 20:31:45:

In Reply to: Cody Dotter, read this........ posted by Bob Kelly on August 06, 2000 at 17:11:40:


Excellent post Bob! I believe that iron sights force a young hunter to be a bit more disciplined in their hunting and shot selection so I recommended iron sights (a peep would be even better actually). The Sheridans and Benjamins are so much alike now BTW (not something I like LOL!) that either one would be good but I the .22 pellet has a frontal area of .03779 sq.in. and the .20 a frontal area of .0314sq.in.. The .20's Crow Mag is truly deadly but at these velocities and considering the ranges and the shooter, I think the .22 will be a bit more forgiving terminally-speaking (although a good, seasoned shooter can take the same game with either). The .22 has more pellets to choose from and more locally available sources, plus on the whole it's cheaper too. None of these things influences my hunting choices (my favorite hunting calibers being .20 and .25) but for a newbie, ESPECIALLY an 11 year old kid, these are all valid points.

Bob, I say all that but in l966 I never had any trouble finding Sheridan pellets or taking any airgun applicable game and pests (and more than a few things that weren't applicable for that matter). Either way, I'm with you in that this is a winning choice. My greater concern is that he have good adult supervision in his shooting/hunting.
Again, great post! ---- Mr.P
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Msg. 272330  Posted by T.W. on August 06, 2000 at 20:28:14:

In Reply to: crosman c40 posted by mike caldwell on August 06, 2000 at 20:03:48:

Send it back. I'm on my third exchange and it works like it is suppose to.
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Msg. 272329  Posted by TCooper on August 06, 2000 at 20:27:39:

Granlund Firearms in B.C. Canada has a model 68 that is old inventory but has never been sold(new gun). They are having trouble selling it so the price was cut 50% to $160 Canadian dollars. If anyone wants a 68 there's the deal.

What is this RWS 68 like anyway???

Thanks,
Todd
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Msg. 272328  Posted by Greg S on August 06, 2000 at 20:27:35:

Does anyone know of airgun clubs in Ontario,Canada?
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Msg. 272327  Posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 20:26:17:

In Reply to: Re: Beretta Air Pistols posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 19:55:37:

Don't worry about it, I should have posted my name different anyway to prevent confusion.
-john from NY
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Msg. 272326  Posted by R J K on August 06, 2000 at 20:24:17:

In Reply to: Take care of real business Marty and... posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 14:50:20:

Mine are with you to Marty.....
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Msg. 272325  Posted by Greg S on August 06, 2000 at 20:22:57:

Does anyone know the official distance for pistol firing at bullseye target?
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Msg. 272324  Posted by john in NY on August 06, 2000 at 20:21:14:

In Reply to: Good camp pistol posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 18:49:19:

You might want to check local laws about shooting game birds with a rifle/pistol. your only permited to shoot them with a shotgun here.
good luck-
-john in NY
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Msg. 272323  Posted by Pel-It on August 06, 2000 at 20:19:55:

I wanted to add a sidelever to my family and the only one that remotely interested me was the 52. Now, being from the ``all you can be`` mindset, I thought about the Vortek gas ram but haven`t heard enough good to commit. How bout Jims Steelgate. Can somebody (hey there Russ) fill me in on the different options on building a moster magnum designed for Cp Heavies. I`m open to all ideas.
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Msg. 272322  Posted by TCooper on August 06, 2000 at 20:18:13:

In Reply to: Minneapolis/St. Paul Airgun Show - 8/25-27 posted by Kevin on August 06, 2000 at 13:59:28:

Kevin,
I will be in Minni the weekend of the show. I will be staying in Burnsville.
Where is the show exactly?
I've only been in Minni once before so I need good directions.
Please e-mail me so I can get:
1/ Directions
2/ Show times
3/ Shopping malls close to gunshow (for wife of course)
Thanks,
Todd
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Msg. 272321  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 20:17:12:

In Reply to: Re: In that case, forget about the RWS48 for some time. You are not lost, though: posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 17:36:46:


I recommended a Benjamin 392 with iron sights for Cody. Light, recoilless, enough power for hunting, easy to find ammunition, and in .22 a little more forgiving at the ranges (and on the prey) he'd be shooting with either one of these guns (the other being a stock Sheridan). I do NOT believe in scopes for these two guns although I have used them on both. The iron sights would force him to take better lighting shots, a bit closer up, and better shot presentations. This stacks the deck for success IMO. I like the SS too but the lad said he is 4'7" and I'm thinking that the stock won't fit him. Also, spring-pistons requires a longer learning curve than a pneumatic again IMO. I gave a Benjamin 342 (predecessor to the 392) to my 10 year old cousin Tyler. This gun LOVES H-Points and well over a dozen fox squirrels have found out the hard way that Tyler knows how to shoot. He shoots with the stock under his armpit but the kid is accurate. Rarely misses (mostly 10-15 yard shots) the vitals on the first shot. To my knowledge, he has no wounded animals yet. His dad is an old-time hunter who is a stickler for pellet placement. He does use a scope but irregarless of that, this is not a good gun for a scope for several reasons. ---- Mr.P
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Msg. 272320  Posted by TheMatrix on August 06, 2000 at 20:11:20:

In Reply to: crosman c40 posted by mike caldwell on August 06, 2000 at 20:03:48:

I have a C40, and it would never shoot...1 shot out of 8 is about right. The problem is the spring that advances the "clip" of pellets -- nothing is wrong with the spring, it just somehow wiggles out of place. What I did was take mine apart, and put it back together. If you're not good with mechanical stuff, I'd recommend you not take it apart...its very hard to put back together. Someone here once guided me regarding this, but I forget who it was. If you need any help, just reply to this thread...
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Msg. 272319  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 20:07:20:

In Reply to: Re: Is the Gamo R-77 any good? posted by Chris on August 06, 2000 at 15:00:14:

As I recall, he complained about the accuracy, or lack thererof. His most telling complaint was it's repeated failure to index. Last time I spoke(typed) with him he was returning it to the manufacturer to see if they could remedy the problem. You should try to get some more input than this to ensure that this is not an isolated case.
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Msg. 272318  Posted by mike caldwell on August 06, 2000 at 20:03:48:

Has anyone had any luck with the Crosman C40? Mine jams in single action mode 7 out of 8 times (and yes I have tried every type pellet). I am going to have to send it back, but the last time I had to deal with Crosman, they were not very helpful. I am thinking that I should have gotten the Colt 45. It is a little more expensive but I would hope IT would work. Thanks.

Mike
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Msg. 272317  Posted by thom on August 06, 2000 at 20:00:36:

In Reply to: F/T working FPS, Flb. posted by thom on August 06, 2000 at 15:38:48:

My DAystate is set at +/- 15 fps (725) FPS (at 4 foot from the muzzel) using CP 10.5gr. I wondered if I would get flatter trajectory by increasing the Huntsman's working pressure a bit, but I was not sure if it could be done and stay legal... Is this adj something I can do , or must I send it back to the dealer?

thanks

thom
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Msg. 272316  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 19:56:17:

In Reply to: Thanks, Mike - you nailed it! posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 18:22:33:


What you said is true Edith and I also think it's an attempt to simply cause trouble for the forum (and you) as a whole! You've been VERY clear and public about your position on these matters! It's hard for me to imagine anyone so dense that he couldn't/wouldn't pick up on your earnestness. This leads me to believe that this individual is a troublemaker, other possible agendas notwithstanding! He can thank his lucky stars that I'm not this forum's moderator because if that was the case, he'd have been gone with the wind quite a while ago. Take Care, Mike
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Msg. 272315  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 19:55:37:

In Reply to: Beretta Air Pistols posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 14:22:48:

They are made by a German company named Umarex who also make the S&W CO2 revolver, the Walther, and the RWS CO2 'semiautomatic' pistols.

By the way, my apologies for any stress caused by my earlier misidentification. I'll be more careful in the future.
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Msg. 272314  Posted by ben on August 06, 2000 at 19:54:07:

In Reply to: Aug. 7th: Bug Buster's birthday posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 18:33:22:

He & his buddy are out blasting beehives with 12 guage shotguns.

Remember that flamewar? ;)


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Msg. 272313  Posted by FredC on August 06, 2000 at 19:51:45:

We had a very competitive match this past Saturday at the ORSA(Oak Ridge Sportsman's Association) field target tourney. This tournament could not have been successful without those dedicated FT shooters willing to travel a great distance to compete at our facility. Thank you all for coming and making my efforts worthwhile.

The course setup was a little more difficult than usual per the request of a couple FT'ers getting prepped for the Worlds/Nationals at the end of the month. We achieved a nice balance of difficult shots mixed with average distance shots.

Here's the match recap:

Open 1st (59x60) to Wade " he hasn't missed a beat after being away for a month" Sutherland
CRX/Burris 8-32.


Open 2nd (57x60) to cool, calm and collected Ken Hughes from Atlanta. Triple C was sporting his purple NJR 100/Nightforce 36x.

Open 3rd (56x60) to Brad " always steady" Troyer. Brad took 3rd. place after a marathon shootoff between himself and Robert Crocker. Both were using CRX's. Brad's scope is a B&L. Robert was using a Nightforce 36x. Walt Roller also shot a 56x60 but opted for the air conditioner as opposed to participating in the shootoff. I'm working on getting the trail girl in a golf cart and a thong bikini to ride the shooters back from the end of the trail just for you Walt!

Other Open scores:

Rick McAllister (54x60) sporting his brand new CRX
Dave Goldfarb (51x60) That Career is a beauty!
Me (47x60) I could not get my heartbeat down after the marines showed up with unshouldered Ar-15's at the FT practice range. ( It's a long story)
David Simpson (42x60) Looking good with that CRX/Hakko combination!
Lori Simpson (41x60) Lori was awarded the High Lady award For being her second tourney, Lori is shooting her Huntsman like an old pro. Hope to see both of you back real soon.
Joe Whittaker(40x60)Joe's first match with a PCP.
That Pro-Target fit him like a glove. I think he liked it!


Piston Class

1st place to newshooter James King. James used an RWS 48 to post a 19x60 in his first competition.
I hope you plan on becoming a regular, James. Great to have you with us.

2nd goes to Jim Geddes. Jim does it the old fashioned way with a B22/peep sight. Due to the difficulty of the course, a 12x60 is very respectable. Jim has become one of our most dedicated shooters and keeps me inspired to get the issues at the range worked out so we can continue to shoot FT at ORSA.

Last but certainly not least is Piston 3rd. The award goes to Gary Finch from North Carolina. This is Gary's first time with us at ORSA but I expect to see him back real soon. Gary has a heck of a drive to get here coming from the Winston Salem area of NC. Gary, I hope you found the trip
worth it. Gary was using an Hw-77/Bushnell 6-24
(10x60)

The targets are in the house and the strings have been rewound. Until next time.

See you at the shoot!

Fred Cobb


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Msg. 272312  Posted by Charlie on August 06, 2000 at 19:50:38:

In Reply to: Good camp pistol posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 18:49:19:

I use a Falco FN8-WG in .22 caliber for such purposes. At
14 FT/LBS, the range can be extended to 40 yards or so.

Charlie

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Msg. 272311  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 19:45:52:

In Reply to: The Order of the Defense of Truth Against Ruthless Best (ODARB) comes to the rescue! ;-) posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 18:37:28:

Peter: it's not just velocity, but the height of the scope that determines just where the POI will be. Both my TX and Hw-97 fall into this area. Both shoot near 950 with CP lites, and both have high mounts on risers because they both sport "Hubbell" sized scopes (some of the better ones this side of the Horsehead Nebula). Now if I can only rig up a mount for a Celestron/Schmidt-Cassegrain with a gyro stabilized azimuth control..... I may be able to see you sipping wine in your garden ! LOL Russ
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Msg. 272310  Posted by AIRPOWER on August 06, 2000 at 19:45:34:

In Reply to: Good camp pistol posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 18:49:19:

I use a Rutten 550 .177 with Premier 7.9 pellets

BOB
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Msg. 272309  Posted by TheMatrix on August 06, 2000 at 19:44:14:

Marco,

You asked me which scope I use a few days ago. I just went to BSA's website, and found it. The scope that came with my Gamo 890 is a BSA AR312X44. You can check it out at: http://www.bsaoptics.com/22air.html
I searched on the web for "AR312X44" and saw a place selling the scope for around $80...From what I can tell, it seems like a nice scope. Anyway, I just wanted to answer the question you asked me.
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Msg. 272308  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 19:38:40:

In Reply to: Not illegal in the USA. Just pay the tax. posted by GF on August 06, 2000 at 19:11:10:

There is no point in making this forum a target for investigation by repeatedly revisiting topics which are at the very least of questionable legality. As I've said before, this sport is very enjoyable within the boundaries of the law. So let's not draw attention to the sport, and ourselves, by continually pushing (or outright breaking) those boundaries.
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Msg. 272307  Posted by bearridge on August 06, 2000 at 19:38:12:

In Reply to: Urban legend? posted by Sandy on August 06, 2000 at 13:02:01:

Mr. & Mrs. President are quite a match. She has
another definition of "defend". Both of them turn
a mean adverb, but verbs are their strong suit.

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Msg. 272306  Posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 19:32:59:

In Reply to: The Order of the Defense of Truth Against Ruthless Best (ODARB) comes to the rescue! ;-) posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 18:37:28:

I guess I'll zero at 20 yards with my 9 ft-lbs rifle... So I could shoot 10-25 yars withouth really adjusting...
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Msg. 272305  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 19:31:52:

In Reply to: Re: R9...Gas Ram?????R9 Step up posted by Gary on August 06, 2000 at 18:38:52:

The 19 ft/lb tune uses JM's Steelgate spring, and I highly recommend one of his 'burnproof seals' to go along with it. If one really tweaks the heck out of an R-9, the stock seal goes south. The trade off is what you expect. More power equals stiffer recoil. While there is no twang, it's a bit of a banger. The T spring tunes can be pumped up to 16 to 17 ft/lbs and is very shootable (my favorite hunting tune for this gun)in .20 caliber. The T spring does not have a lifetime warranty though. Use of the stock seal with this tune only produces about 15.5 ft/lbs.
I haven't done any Steelgate tunes yet, but have talked to guys that have them. BTW: the numbers I'm referring to here apply only to 5mm R-9's. Russ
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Msg. 272304  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 19:27:43:

In Reply to: Thanks for all of you input... posted by John on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:00:

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Msg. 272302  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 19:25:24:

In Reply to: Silencers and mass hysteria. posted by Pavel Podvoiski on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:06:

Sometimes, that's all that will. Besides, the issue is not trying to 'save ourselves' nearly so much as it is trying not to make ourselves a target.
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Msg. 272301  Posted by Gary on August 06, 2000 at 19:22:17:

In Reply to: Blue Streak posted by Pepi on August 06, 2000 at 19:18:13:

Pepi

I know that feeling. I have the same problem. I have a Williams peep on my Sheridan and IT works great!! I have a problem after shootin for a while my eyes get blurry. The peep dosen't help that at all but I can tell ya when I can see the target I hit it a lot better with the peep. The accuracy of MY shooting is much better with the peep for sure. I got my peep from Golden Toller they have them for the B/S and Sheridan's for $22.

HTH

Gary
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Msg. 272300  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 19:19:11:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun silencers posted by john on August 06, 2000 at 11:24:41:

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Msg. 272299  Posted by Dr.J. on August 06, 2000 at 19:18:53:

In Reply to: Marksman 0040 posted by Dr.J. on August 05, 2000 at 21:33:22:

Thanks Russ. I hate missing bargains and there are a number around from clearance sales. I also note the Marksman 45, which is claimed to be absolutely identical to the Beeman S1 for $110. I'm tempted to buy a toy as I've delayed my R9 vs Supersport decision until I shoot a friend's R9. Thoughts on the Marksman 45? Dr.J.
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Msg. 272298  Posted by Pepi on August 06, 2000 at 19:18:13:

I've got an old Blue Streak that I would like to scope. Any ideas how and where to get the mount needed to scope a Blue Streak. My eyes are getting so bad that I can't shoot very well with the open sights. Also, I read somewhere that a peep sight is available for the BS. Do you think a peep sight would help?

Thanks for the info!
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Msg. 272297  Posted by Someone on August 06, 2000 at 19:16:09:

In Reply to: Not illegal in the USA. Just pay the tax. posted by GF on August 06, 2000 at 19:11:10:

That is not correct...a build lic and a purchase /transfer stamp are two TOTALLY different things.

Regards,
Someone
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Msg. 272296  Posted by johno on August 06, 2000 at 19:15:38:

If anyone has any articles on the following guns Crosman 1100,99,622,m1 Daisy 21,104 Remington 26 and would like to scan them and email them to me I would be most grateful.

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Msg. 272295  Posted by GF on August 06, 2000 at 19:11:10:

In Reply to: Silencers and mass hysteria. posted by Pavel Podvoiski on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:06:

Silencers are not illegal in the USA. All you have to do is pay the $200.00 tax wait about 5 months for the permit and you can build or buy a silencer. I have one (legal) on my 22LR. Incidentaly mine is a simple homemade job and is about as loud as a FWB 300 S match. My TX 200 is louder. The neighbors never even know when I am shooting. I can shoot late in the evening and not worry.
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Msg. 272294  Posted by acet on August 06, 2000 at 19:04:53:

In Reply to: Anybody know of way to scope a crosman model 400? posted by Bill on August 06, 2000 at 18:30:13:

Crosman used to make a sheet metal clamp to take a 3/4" rimfire scope for the 400 or you can order a custom set of rings from Ron Robinson for $25, these take 1" scopes.
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Msg. 272292  Posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 19:01:16:

Just in case you were interested in reading some online articles, a couple are already available. Follow the link below.

Edith Gaylord
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Msg. 272291  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 18:55:50:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun silencers posted by john on August 06, 2000 at 14:10:34:

You are not mistaken in that indeed you said that.
And Russ is not mistaken, because a muffler/silencer does NOTHING about mechanical noise.

Get it?

peter
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Msg. 272290  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 18:52:01:

In Reply to: Same here posted by Hawley on August 04, 2000 at 16:46:25:

... as Steve will be able to confirm ;-)
It must be the panels! ;-)
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Msg. 272288  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 18:50:25:

In Reply to: Aug. 7th: Bug Buster's birthday posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 18:33:22:

Edith it's funny you should mention him. Russ and I were talking about him 3 days ago. I remember he used to live here hehehe. Nice guy. I think he is into motorcycles now. Anyway Happy birthday big guy if you happened to read this.
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Msg. 272287  Posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 18:49:19:

Can anyone reccomend a good camp pistol like for grouse on the ground or close rabbits. I would use the hurricane but the groupings are too open at 20 yards and that is great for grouse. Any style pellet you like to use for upland birds like pheasent ,grouse ,quail or chukar? Thanks.
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Msg. 272286  Posted by johno on August 06, 2000 at 18:48:07:

In Reply to: Daisy modle No. 21 ? posted by larry on August 06, 2000 at 13:20:54:

have a look on the daisy web page(link on it that will help you)
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Msg. 272285  Posted by Gary on August 06, 2000 at 18:38:52:

In Reply to: Re: R9...Gas Ram?????R9 Step up posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 17:52:48:

Russ,

You have my compete attention.

If we went the route of the 19ft/lb what are the trade offs? Will the rifle be reliable and long-lived or will the stress shorten the live span of the rifle? Will it be as accurate? Will the "shootability" be the same? Will it be smoother and get rid of that *&^%*&^$*&$% twang? What would the downside be? Is there a name for this hop up? Like a Tarantula tune. If you would be usin JM’s springs would they be guaranteed for life?

I am askin a lot of questions because I am very interested. I am assuming this would also increase my effective hunting range also.

If you would like to continue this off the forum that would be fine.

Oh, almost forgot what would it cost?

Thanks Russ

Gary


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Msg. 272284  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 18:37:28:

In Reply to: Re: Scope and range probs... posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 15:11:21:

Russ, I assume you're doing this with some devious 20 ft/lbs rifle?
If I, using a 12 ft/lbs rifle, zero at 30 yards, and then shoot out to 40, I get a bit more off zero than 1/2"!

Also, if I zero at 30 yards, I have to holdover a bit in between 22 and 28, although for all practical purposes you could call that close to zero.

I can duplicate your procedure, but then I have to zero at 25 yards.

*burps* victory is ours!

;-p
peter
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Msg. 272283  Posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 18:33:22:

August 7th is Bug Buster’s birthday. Has anyone heard from him? Is he still around? It’s been a long time since he visited the Airgun Forum. Just curious.

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Msg. 272282  Posted by Bill on August 06, 2000 at 18:30:13:

Got the old 400 out the other day after I finally found the magazine for it. Worked great with Crosman flat nose pellets. Are there any scope mounting blocks out that would clamp on the barrel to let me mount a scope? tks
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Msg. 272281  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 06, 2000 at 18:29:21:

In Reply to: Cody Dotter, read this........ posted by Bob Kelly on August 06, 2000 at 17:11:40:

The beginner's guide to airgunning! Very well presented to a young man in need of sound advice. Yeah, back then it was either Benjamin, Crosman, Daisy or Sheridan - I still have my 1958 .177 Banjamin. Still shoots fine... I just can't see the rear sight anymore! ;-) Have a good one!
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Msg. 272280  Posted by Bill on August 06, 2000 at 18:23:22:

In Reply to: TF-35 posted by pe on August 06, 2000 at 08:56:00:

Good report on the TF 35. I dont own one but I do own several Chinese air rifles. Some people look down on em but I just keep on shooting mine and ignore the experts. Good guns at reasonable prices. Thats what they are.
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Msg. 272279  Posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 18:22:33:

In Reply to: Re: I agree, I agree posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 13:25:34:

It’s not that he didn’t see my previous answers regarding the bans. It’s that he wanted a different answer than I’d given, and he probably hopes that by asking over and over and over again that he’ll get a different answer. It’s not going to happen.

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Msg. 272278  Posted by Bill S. on August 06, 2000 at 18:18:31:

In Reply to: Diana 65 info! posted by Doug Law on August 05, 2000 at 21:45:52:

I know you have been looking a while. Did you get any literature with it? Bill
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Msg. 272277  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 18:13:57:

In Reply to: Point is... posted by Pavel on August 06, 2000 at 17:34:03:

I am very vocal to my representatives and within all other legal means.
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Msg. 272276  Posted by Gary on August 06, 2000 at 18:11:39:

In Reply to: Re: Best Pellets for the Superstar .22 posted by Keith Morris on August 05, 2000 at 11:56:12:

Thanks for the info.

Gary
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Msg. 272274  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 18:05:39:

In Reply to: Chinese air rifle posted by Ed Brady on August 06, 2000 at 17:46:27:

Ed: one pump or single stroke cocking? Pumping implies compressing the air, while the other can be a break barrel, underlever or sidecocking spring gun (which compresses air when the trigger is pulled.).Regards, Russ Best
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Msg. 272273  Posted by Eric on August 06, 2000 at 18:00:39:

In Reply to: Cody Dotter, read this........ posted by Bob Kelly on August 06, 2000 at 17:11:40:

Cody,

How about a steriod streak? I believe they cost under $250 dollars, has the ability to go 20+ fpe at higher pumpages(which you can climb toward as you progressively get stronger), recoiless, low maintenence, and lightweight. If you don't mind pump-ups, this might be a great rifle for you.
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Msg. 272272  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 17:59:47:

In Reply to: Re: Muzzle Brake posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 17:22:54:

None. nor do I know it's inside diameter. RB
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Msg. 272271  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 17:57:45:

In Reply to: F/T working FPS, Flb. posted by thom on August 06, 2000 at 15:38:48:

Thom: which pellet are you quoting 19 ft/lbs for? Crosman 10.5 gr Premiers are 17.85 ft/lbs at 875 fps, and 7.9 cps work out to 13.4 ft/lbs at 875 fps. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 272270  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 17:52:48:

In Reply to: R9...Gas Ram?????R9 Step up posted by Gary on August 06, 2000 at 15:39:58:

If any other rams are an indicator, it wouldn't have any more power than the sprung gun. On the other hand, spring R-9's can be built up to around 19 ft/lbs ( like an RX-1?) with a lot less weight and cocking effort than an RX-1. RB
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Msg. 272269  Posted by Chavez on August 06, 2000 at 17:48:59:

In Reply to: Crosman 111 pistol bulk fill posted by Donc on August 06, 2000 at 02:23:10:


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Msg. 272268  Posted by Ed Brady on August 06, 2000 at 17:46:27:

I have a one pump .177 Chinese air rifle,the rear
receiver is round and it has a fixed elevation sight. seems to be powerful and dispatches squirrels very efficiently before they destory my second setup up of a 150.00 bird station. I would like to get a scope for it but with the fixed rear sight I haven't been able to find one.The markings on it are a engraved Sea Lion balancing a ball on it's nose and it says "Sea Lion" Made in China. Any Help would be appreciated
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Msg. 272267  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 17:44:14:

In Reply to: Re: Russ is ALMOST right. posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 15:17:35:

If you can hang on to Tuesday, I've got you covered ;-)

As it is, H&N is causing some confusion too, by quoting them at 8.44 grains.

peter
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Msg. 272266  Posted by daver on August 06, 2000 at 17:43:05:

In Reply to: .50 Caliber Terminator Blowguns [url] posted by vZc® on August 06, 2000 at 15:07:50:


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Msg. 272265  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 17:42:42:

In Reply to: Re: Russ is ALMOST right. posted by Doug Owen on August 06, 2000 at 16:36:00:

Sounds like a plan.
If we can find someone in the far East to team up with, we've got him covered around the clock.

Do I need to kneel down in order to be officially embraced into the Order of the Defense of Truth against Ruthless Best?

peter
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Msg. 272264  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 17:39:06:

In Reply to: Great, Unc! Another arguement for them SCUBA shooters! nt posted by Willey M on August 06, 2000 at 15:00:06:

It's debatable whether a pcp will hold zero under temperature changes, and Gary is excused, because he was shooting with one of the crummiest scopes this side of the Horsehead Nebula.

peter
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Msg. 272263  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 17:36:46:

In Reply to: Re: In that case, forget about the RWS48 for some time. You are not lost, though: posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 16:16:48:

I wish I knew... I'm from Europe, home of the Weihrauchs and RWS's and BSA's and Air Arms and Feinwerkbaus and Daystates and Anschutzes and Falc---- *click click btzzzt*.....

... sorry, officer!
*stupid grin*

As I said, I don't know. I have never seen a standard Blue Streak in my life, only a Mac1 prepped one.
Although I'd be partial to a Supersport (sorry Mike!), it may be a better choice. At least it's recoilless, and hence you could just get any scope on top of it as long as it holds zero ;-)

Mike should be able to tell you if it is; as far as I know he still has one today. If it's his advice, I wouldn't dare to go against it!

peter
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Msg. 272262  Posted by Pavel on August 06, 2000 at 17:34:03:

In Reply to: Whats you are point? Yes it will save you if you don't have any. posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 14:57:26:

... no matter what you do, as soon as they finish with firearms they will go after knives and airguns.

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Msg. 272261  Posted by HG on August 06, 2000 at 17:29:39:

In Reply to: On youngsters and powerful adult style airguns. posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:04:16:

In addition young shooters need eye protection. I have several pairs of safety glasses. I tell them if they have one accident their shooting days are over.
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Msg. 272260  Posted by Joe Whittaker on August 06, 2000 at 17:26:49:

In Reply to: Shooting with the US Field Target Champion posted by Rick McAllister on August 06, 2000 at 12:14:15:

the bite of the Airgun bug and took an offer to
shoot one of Fred Cobb's Pro Targets(thanks Fred).
This was my first time with a PCP, a few quick adjustments to the stock,a few rounds fired, and we were ready to start. I fired a personal best at 40/60, but I will be settling in behind My TX
as I don't see one of these fine PCP rifles in my near future.
The TX/Swift669 combo did get to show it's stuff in the hands of talented first time shooter James King. James works with me and was my guest for the day, he had planed to shoot his untamed model 48 but used my my rifle as we plan to put a GSI kit in his later this month. James is a good shot and took the TX to the winners circle in piston class with a 19/60 haveing fired my rifle less than 20 times.
As allways a big thanks to Fred Cobb, he puts on a good show and we are looking forward to next month.
Field Target and Airgunning in general is a great sport with solid people to kick back an relax with.

IHS
Joe W.
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Msg. 272259  Posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 17:22:54:

In Reply to: Re: Muzzle Brake posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 14:43:53:

Russ, any idea how much the Crow Mag style muzzle brake weighs?
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Msg. 272258  Posted by Bill from SLO on August 06, 2000 at 17:13:57:

In Reply to: Homemade Pellet trap posted by Dave on August 06, 2000 at 00:26:39:

A cardboard box filled with newspapers inside works great. And it's all recyclable when you're through with it. Plus you can see how your pellets are wadding.

Bill from SLO
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Msg. 272257  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 06, 2000 at 17:11:40:

How's it going kiddo. Don't let the guy's get you down,
the way they act is unfortunate illness aka. being
an adult. They work hard and deal with a lot of dumb
questions from a boss that should know better simply
because this is their boss. It's difficult for some/most
people to deal with someone that lacks knowledge, but
is somehow in charge of the situation that they know
little to nothing about. There's guy's here that can
and do offer a great deal of info on airguns and some
insight on "life lessons learned". You don't have to
reply to every posting or post questions repeatedly (this
tends to bring on that adult thing I mentioned earlier.
If someone is constantly digging on you just ignore them.
If it gets bad write to the Airgun Letter, they will
help you out!
Now as far as choosing an air gun goes. #1 For a newbie
like your self you need to find airguns your size. Alot
of the airguns you first posted about were on the big
side even for some adults. #2 Figure out how much money
you have to spend (this is a depressing issue for
all of us here because we never seem to have enough).
#3 Research on what guns fit the previous two limits aka.
size and cost forget power. #4 Shop around for those guns,
make sure that you've cut your choice down to two guns.
#5 Choose a scope of comparible value to the gun, ex. If the
gun costs $135 get a $50-$60 scope. #7 Talk your decision
over with an adult that shoots and ask "what do you think"?
Preferably your dad, as I remeber he shoots. Don't
ask someone that knows nothing about what you're talking
about just to here the answer you want. So called "friends"
are good for that sort of thing, usually just before you
get in a lot of hot water aka."BIG TROUBLE", but it seems
during and after while you're in trouble they know
nothing!!!!!!!!! Think before you act, if it feels wrong
don't do it.. #8 You've done your shopping and made your
decision and you've talked it over with your parents
it's time to buy "IT". When you do, get a saftey guide.
Get targets and pellets. #9 If you can, con your dad
into getting an airgun too.# 10 Go through the saftey
guide and the cautionary paper work that comes with the
gun and accessories, THAT IS IMPORTANT!! # 11 If the gun
wasn't set up at the store have your dad do it, don't
get excited and try to do it yourself. You could do
something wrong and mess up your hole day! Let dad
srew it up so he can pay for it.
I, like Mike Pearson had a Blue Streak for a first gun.
This would be perfect for you. It's your size, strong,
accurate, dependable and it is very low maintenance.
I hope this helps you out. Let me know how you make out.

Bob Kelly
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Msg. 272256  Posted by Mike on August 06, 2000 at 17:09:35:

In Reply to: trigger pull posted by Dutch on August 06, 2000 at 14:23:47:

Thank you Dutch.I'll check out your advice on the trigger.I do most of my shooting on the lowest power setting. About two clicks below the green setting.Once you start shooting it the trigger pull eventually lightens to a dangerous level.I carry a small screw driver used for small screws on glass frames to turn adjustment screw for trigger. My rifle came with a hex head wrench. But the screwhead is for a screw driver.I really like the rifle for its power in .25 cal.TESTED two shots on my Shooting Chrony.Set up 5ft. from muzzle.Pellet trap 20ft. to catch pellets.Lowest possible power setting.Korean Ultra Dome pellets. First shot 994fps.Second shot 983fps.Had to stop because second shot hit in the same hole made by the first and blew out the back of the pellet trap.Around two inches of ballistic putty.The gun was fully charged at the time. Mike
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Msg. 272255  Posted by William on August 06, 2000 at 17:07:37:

In Reply to: Silencers and mass hysteria. posted by Pavel Podvoiski on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:06:

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Msg. 272254  Posted by Bill from SLO on August 06, 2000 at 17:00:35:

Micheal's, the crafts store with just about anything, has on sale crow decoys. Well, maybe there not decoy's to Micheal's, but they sure look great. I think they expect people will use them for Halloween decorations, but I believe (and bet you will too when you see them) they'll make great decoys. They were $10.00, now marked down to $7.00. Outstanding value! I believe the Micheal's chain is nationwide.

Happy crow hunting!

Bill from SLO
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Msg. 272253  Posted by Doug Owen on August 06, 2000 at 16:36:00:

In Reply to: Re: Russ is ALMOST right. posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 14:51:06:

"Well, I might want to. I'll do what I ca, but considering my weird logon times (I'm 6 hours ahead of Russ) I may not qualify for that
reason alone."

Understood. Then again, we should take the Martial Arts lesson, and turn that weakness into strength..... Russ would really have no idea when you might be on watch. Kind of a Stealth Monitor if you will. Could be most effective..... You know, give him no rest and all that? Let's work on it (or at least get Russ to think we are).

"When Steve in CT is willing to grow out of his RB-adoration mode ;-) ;-) ;-) he may qualify for the job. He's got what it takes! "

I agree, he seems to have all the makings with a bit more experience and perspective....OTOH, I'm not sure we can afford to wait until he comes to his senses, are you?

Perhaps we're best advised to work out a plan that doesn't depend on Steve, at least not right away...

Doug Owen

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Msg. 272251  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 16:28:35:

In Reply to: To Mr. P posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 14:18:18:



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Msg. 272250  Posted by Doug Owen on August 06, 2000 at 16:27:44:

In Reply to: Do you really see the bullet rise? posted by Willey M on August 06, 2000 at 14:48:40:

Yes, you do.

First off, small bore shooters use iron sights, there is no 'scope'. I suspect that increased mag would bring increased motion and you couldn't see (much like say a .30-30 on iron sights).

From they eye's prespective, the bullet comes from below, rises a bit above line of sight and drops back onto LOS at the traget. Or is should....

The bore line has little to do with it, it's only important that it is aimed up, toward the LOS. Of course, *relative* to the bore, the bullet 'falls' at all times.

Doug Owen
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Msg. 272249  Posted by bb on August 06, 2000 at 16:27:15:

In Reply to: On youngsters and powerful adult style airguns. posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:04:16:

I have always been extremly safety conscious around firearms. My Dad taught me; but I still look back at my 8-13 age when I shot quite a bit of .177 (I'm 37 now) and did things then I would not do now.
One thing I have picked up on this site, as well as excellent and varied advice is the general attitude of responsibility and safety awareness.
If we misuse our privilege we will lose it.
I need a FAC now for any decent gun here in Canada, and it would be easy for the powers to be make it even harder. Many of our City and Town Counsels have banned air rifles, almost always as a reaction to a serious "accident".

As an aside RBest; thanks for the advice on the proper sportview scope. It is on its way from www.natchezss.com/ as we speak, and $60 like you said. Many, many thanks.
Keep it up.
bb
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Msg. 272248  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 16:23:55:

In Reply to: Re: Trend of the times posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 14:48:09:


I know what you mean Steve! You can be thankful that she's the moderator of this forum and not me I'll tell you that! There are some days when I would cheerfully do some mass bannings on this forum and do it all with a twinkle in my eye,a smile on my face and sleep like a baby that night! LOL! Problem is though it would probably be the worst thing for the forum looking at the big picture! No doubt Edith's restraint serves the forum alot better than would my (well developed) willingness to pull the (ban) trigger ever would!
;) ------- Mr.P
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Msg. 272247  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 16:16:48:

In Reply to: In that case, forget about the RWS48 for some time. You are not lost, though: posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 14:40:37:

I finally found a good cheap gun. A Blue Streak.
Is the Blue Streak accurate with a 7 power scope
at 40 yards?
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Msg. 272246  Posted by Hans on August 06, 2000 at 16:15:32:

In Reply to: R9...Gas Ram?????R9 Step up posted by Gary on August 06, 2000 at 15:39:58:

when is the industry picking this up. Ssurely there must have been requests at Hans Hermannn Weihrauch's postbox?
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Msg. 272245  Posted by Hans on August 06, 2000 at 16:15:29:

In Reply to: R9...Gas Ram?????R9 Step up posted by Gary on August 06, 2000 at 15:39:58:

when is the industry picking this up. Ssurely there must have been requests at Hans Hermannn Weihrauch's postbox?
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Msg. 272244  Posted by Derrin on August 06, 2000 at 16:14:32:

Anyone know where I can get a Beeman 68R , 4-12 x 40 AO Blue Ribbon riflescope ??? I know they haven't been made in years , but someone's bound to have one.
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Msg. 272243  Posted by Don on August 06, 2000 at 16:13:12:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250/2289 posted by Undecided on August 06, 2000 at 12:15:00:

I've got them both....The 2289 is the more accurate. The original barrel that came with this one had 5 grooves and would not shoot well. I got a replacement from Crosman and it turned out to be very exceptional [luck of the draw] and it was a 10 groove barrel. Probably--on the average--they both have about the same accuracy.

I don't know whether the 5 groove barrel is standard for the 2289, and was later Crosman changed to a 10 groove...Or whether Crosman sent me a 2250 barrel by mistake.

As far as I know I'm the only one who has ever mentioned this issue...Further I would say that I don't really know if the fact that the original barrel with its 5 grooves had any thing to do with its poor accuracy performance..Could have been somwe other factor.

Hope this Helps.......Don

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Msg. 272242  Posted by trevor on August 06, 2000 at 16:11:12:

In Reply to: Attention Collectors posted by Nik on August 06, 2000 at 12:11:49:

Yes,the Warrior was made by Accles&Shelvoke in the pre war period.This one is missing the foresight bead but otherwise looks )OK.
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Msg. 272241  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 16:10:30:

In Reply to: Take care of real business Marty and... posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 14:50:20:



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Msg. 272240  Posted by GMackeddie on August 06, 2000 at 16:10:08:

In Reply to: Mr R Gunn posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 15:06:34:

AM i right randy???
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Msg. 272239  Posted by G. Jang on August 06, 2000 at 16:06:16:

In Reply to: Re: Urban legend? posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:38:07:

Russ---

Gentleman that you are, you're being way too kind, generous, and politically correct on this one. For once I'd like to see you let your hair down and cut loose......especially on this one.
GJ
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Msg. 272238  Posted by Anthony storey on August 06, 2000 at 16:04:50:

In Reply to: F/T working FPS, Flb. posted by thom on August 06, 2000 at 15:38:48:


n/t
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Msg. 272237  Posted by thom on August 06, 2000 at 15:50:09:

In Reply to: Shooting with the US Field Target Champion posted by Rick McAllister on August 06, 2000 at 12:14:15:

Nice letter Rick. Wish I could have been there done that!!!

thom
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Msg. 272236  Posted by thom on August 06, 2000 at 15:42:05:

In Reply to: Minneapolis/St. Paul Airgun Show - 8/25-27 posted by Kevin on August 06, 2000 at 13:59:28:

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Msg. 272235  Posted by Gary on August 06, 2000 at 15:39:58:

Is there such a thing as a gas ram retro for the R9? If so does it offer the same power or is the way to go tune it instead? Who make a good reasonable gas ram type rifle?

One other thing what would be a good "reasonable" step up from the R9? I am beginning to believe it's pretty hard to beat unless you pay real big bucks.

Thanks

Gary
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Msg. 272234  Posted by thom on August 06, 2000 at 15:38:48:

AT what FPS do most F/ T participants keep their air guns? I have heard about 825 to 875 for .177 cal. Crosman CP's, wich I think is about 19 foot pounds?

What are the limitations to participate?

thanks in advance

thom
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Msg. 272232  Posted by GT on August 06, 2000 at 15:29:52:

In Reply to: WHY NOT GET AN RX-1? posted by John Sa. on August 05, 2000 at 22:17:15:

NOT THAT I WOULDNT WANT TO BUY AN RX-1, THATS THE ORIGINAL IDEA, BUT TO IMPORT IT INTO MY COUNTRY, I HAVE TO GO THROUGH AUSTRALIA, AND THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RX-1 IN THE .177 CALIBER AT THE MOMENT. WHILE I COULDNT GET USA TO EXPORT RX-1 TO MY COUNTRY.
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Msg. 272231  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 15:17:35:

In Reply to: Russ is ALMOST right. posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 07:11:50:

Peter: are you certain that your scale is more accurate than mine? he heh. I may just have to throw some on my Metzler electronic 5 beam lab scale..... LOL
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Msg. 272230  Posted by Alan in GA on August 06, 2000 at 15:14:24:

In Reply to: advice on rifle for rat control posted by TS on August 06, 2000 at 11:14:07:

definately not a pump up because of the extra motion in pumping that will alarm other rats. It is also louder than a good spring piston gun. I use an R9 and R10 but the Super Sport should be excellent too. Good scope for low or non light situation. I get serious when it comes to a Rat Safari, alan in ga.(jump in here Mr. Bulk).
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Msg. 272229  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 15:11:21:

In Reply to: Scope and range probs... posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 14:59:45:

Albert: In order to intersect the line of sight at 10M ( a close distance) the barrel is actually aimed upward to meet your optical line. Once beyond 10M, it's still rising, then eventually drops across the line if sight again, further downrange. In effect, when you zero a gun at close range, you will wind up with two zeros. One close and one farther away. In between those distances, you must compensate by aiming lower. At distances before and after your zero points, you must aim higher. I avoid this by zeroing my gun farther out (lets say 30 yards). This way, I only have ONE zero point- 30 yards- and everything else requires some holdover(NEVER holdunder). It's much easier to remember. In addition, from about 20 yards to 40 yards, even if I aim dead on, I'll not be more than 1/2" off of true zero. RB
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Msg. 272228  Posted by vZc® on August 06, 2000 at 15:10:48:

In Reply to: Crotchedy people posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 09:28:12:

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Msg. 272227  Posted by James Webster on August 06, 2000 at 15:09:30:

I can get an Izakson airgun but I can not find
any info on it.
Is there anyone who can help me.
I am from South Africa and the only serious air-
gun collector in my country.
Thanks,
James Webster.
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Msg. 272225  Posted by vZc® on August 06, 2000 at 15:07:50:

for blow hards ?

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Msg. 272224  Posted by Eric on August 06, 2000 at 15:07:48:

In Reply to: Re: Why are you so fascinated with shooting large animals? posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 08:18:52:

But you're looking into an airgun with iron sights right? A decent scope for your .250 will cost a lot less than an high power airgun+scope.
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Msg. 272223  Posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 15:06:34:

Hey Randy, I'm curious to where you got that custom muzzle break for your SS? How much does it weigh and has it made a difference with shooting off hand? I could really use something to weigh the front of my gun down, its just to light. Thanks,
Paul in MI
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Msg. 272220  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 15:02:12:

In Reply to: I love my yard and quiet airguns posted by BSJ on August 06, 2000 at 14:02:42:

I love reading posts such as yours. It is nice to hear of a fellow airgunner enjoying himself. That Turkey might want to be careful in season.
Keep on shooting hehehe.
Regards
Steve
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Msg. 272219  Posted by Chris on August 06, 2000 at 15:00:14:

In Reply to: Re: Is the Gamo R-77 any good? posted by The other Chris on August 05, 2000 at 18:54:01:

What are some cons about it?
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Msg. 272218  Posted by Willey M on August 06, 2000 at 15:00:06:

In Reply to: Re: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by Uncle Gary on August 06, 2000 at 11:34:48:

nt
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Msg. 272216  Posted by Albert on August 06, 2000 at 14:59:45:

Hello !

I zeroed my diana for 10 meters (don't laugh). Now, if shoot at 20 meters, I get a higher point of impact... Why ? Isn't it supposed to be lower, since gravity "attracts" the pellet to the ground ? Thanks a lot !

Al
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Msg. 272215  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 14:57:51:

In Reply to: Re: Good oil posted by dmitri on August 06, 2000 at 13:24:07:

On the wood, a good furniture polish is OK. On the bluing, use RemOil or Birchwood Caseys 'Sheath'. RB
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Msg. 272214  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 14:57:26:

In Reply to: Silencers and mass hysteria. posted by Pavel Podvoiski on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:06:


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Msg. 272213  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 14:56:48:

In Reply to: Re: why? (nt) posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 10:33:43:

Rabbits are considerably larger than the average squirrel, and yet they are perfectly feasible airgun targets.
Woodchucks are just *very very very* tough critters.

peter
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Msg. 272212  Posted by Fun Supply on August 06, 2000 at 14:56:46:

In Reply to: I think Funsupply has them... posted by Josh P. on August 03, 2000 at 22:30:11:

Sam Tussing made them, but they took too long and too many different machine setups to make, he could not make any money making them, they are not as simple as they appear, even at a price that everyone thought was way too high. So they are no more.

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Msg. 272211  Posted by HG on August 06, 2000 at 14:55:53:

In Reply to: Re: Go to Theoben website -check out cost plus shipping, ouch! posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 14:45:09:

Give Russ Best an e-mail I bet he can tune it and you retain spring reliability. Hehehe
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Msg. 272209  Posted by Eric on August 06, 2000 at 14:55:16:

In Reply to: Re: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 07:35:48:

I wasn't disagreeing with andrew. Tim's told me before the main reason for the steriod tune was more power per pump. All I said was that Ben/sher reccomends 8 pumps as max, but you have the ability to do more if you get a steriod/billet.
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Msg. 272208  Posted by Fun Supply on August 06, 2000 at 14:52:42:

In Reply to: 99.99 sm1000 with factory imperfections posted by dton on August 05, 2000 at 18:59:20:

I have not seen one of these these particular guns from this batch, so the following is speculation, based on my experience with other SM 1000's.
They are all made in the same factory tho.

From my expedrience with the early Sm's they will likely have sights on crooked, maybe front an rear, loose barrel sleeve, and possibly a crooked barrel.
All but the crooked barrel not too hard to fix o most of em. Crooked barrels range from not too bad to awful. The not too bad ones, just ignore it if the gun will shoot to the right place with the sight of your chice, it wont hurt accuracy at all. The ones thet are way off, I never tried to fix one of them. Dont know if you can or not.

Some will also have a chamber that is too small to acept a pellt, these would have to re chambered.
I fixed a few by just deburring around the edge, got some that were too small all the way, I did not try to fix them.
The barrel would likely have to be removed in this case to properly fix it.

Some may have defective triggers, never tried to fix one of these either, so dont know what is involved here.

Luck of the draw, really, but by now I suspect these are the worst of the lot, with the distributor or dealer fixing the easy ones and selling them at a higher price.

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Msg. 272207  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 14:51:29:

In Reply to: Cost of Airgun Components? posted by Happy Gardener on August 06, 2000 at 14:48:40:

Jim's springs are a lot cheaper than $60. You can get a pretty good kit for that money. Spring, guides and lubes. RB
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Msg. 272206  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 14:51:06:

In Reply to: Re: Russ is ALMOST right. posted by Doug Owen on August 06, 2000 at 11:52:54:

*LOL*!!!!

Well, I might want to. I'll do what I ca, but considering my weird logon times (I'm 6 hours ahead of Russ) I may not qualify for that reason alone.


When Steve in CT is willing to grow out of his RB-adoration mode ;-) ;-) ;-) he may qualify for the job. He's got what it takes!


peter
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Msg. 272205  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 14:50:20:

In Reply to: Silver Streak Sports will be closed next week. posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 06, 2000 at 11:32:52:

My prayers are with you and your mother.
Regards
Steve
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Msg. 272204  Posted by RGunn on August 06, 2000 at 14:48:41:

In Reply to: Re: Well...Almost.... posted by Larz on August 06, 2000 at 12:01:35:


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Msg. 272203  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 06, 2000 at 14:48:40:

In a typical product the cost of components is one seventh of the retail price. If for instance the airgun costs $210 the mfg. has spent all of $30 for the parts to make it. The rest of the cost is labor, overhead and profit. If this is true for airguns we have a solid opportunity to improve performance with aftermarket parts. For instance if RWS spent $4 for the mainspring we should be able to get a much better spring for $60 from JM.
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Msg. 272202  Posted by Willey M on August 06, 2000 at 14:48:40:

In Reply to: Re: Why can I see a pellet fly but unable to see a barn door at 10 paces? posted by Doug Owen on August 06, 2000 at 12:01:46:

Although the bullet will cross two different zero points in the line of sight of any sighting device, I don't believe that the bullet actually rises in regard to the bore line. I could be wrong, but I used to think the bullet would actually rise and fall repeatedly in a trajectory but have been explained that this is only in regard to a scope that may be 1" to 2" above the boreline...Willey M
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Msg. 272201  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 14:48:09:

In Reply to: Re: Trend of the times posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 13:08:01:

Mike as always you raise some very good and logical points. I don't know.On thisoneI don't think I have the answer. I am glad I am not in Edith's shoes for it would be very dificult to come up with a working solution.
SS
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Msg. 272200  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 14:47:09:

In Reply to: To Mr. P posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 14:18:18:

The Blue Streak is a Benjamin-Sheridan pump gun. As such, it should be pretty much recoilless. It's not a PCP gun.

Mike will undoubtedly be able to answer the other questions, but I figured this might answer some of them quickly.
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Msg. 272199  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 14:45:09:

In Reply to: Go to Theoben website -check out cost plus shipping, ouch! posted by Happy Gardener on August 06, 2000 at 14:17:04:

Jim doesn't tune BSA's. RB
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Re: Beretta Air Pistols


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Msg. 272198  Posted by Greg S on August 06, 2000 at 14:44:47:

In Reply to: Re: Beretta Air Pistols posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 14:38:01:

They are a little heavy but you get use to it.
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Msg. 272197  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 14:43:53:

In Reply to: Re: Muzzle Brake posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 14:27:07:

The R-series rifles have a barrel diameter that's 1/2 mm larger, so unless they come with tubular shims, the fit will be sloppy. RB
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Re: Yunker AK47 BB Gun...Info/Ordering URL inside...nt


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Msg. 272196  Posted by crmnal on August 06, 2000 at 14:41:31:

In Reply to: Yunker AK47 BB Gun...Info/Ordering URL inside...nt posted by Chavez on August 05, 2000 at 23:50:36:


Chavez,
Many thanks for the tip!!!! These are extra cool & was unable to find a source until now.
Scott
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In that case, forget about the RWS48 for some time. You are not lost, though:


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Msg. 272195  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 14:40:37:

In Reply to: Re: DUMB QUESTION posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 08:10:16:

For I think the Supersport (it doesn't qualify as a supermagnum, but it can definitely be called a magnum springer) would fit your bill very adequately.

The 48 would be out of the question for a couple years, as well as any other supermagnum springer.

Reasons:

- you need to muster some strength to cock it. If you have to give it all you got, forget about shooting it for a couple minutes, until muscle tension and heart rate are back under control ;-)

- the gun IS heavy, and the balance is awkward. To keep it properly balanced, you need to have some length and bulk of your own.

Some people will say that the cocking effort of their 48 is remarkably low. These people usually have a so-called GSI-kit fitted. A GSI kit is a tuning kit from Jim Maccari, a spring gun tuner of considerable fame. The kit itself costs $60, and you'd need to spend an additional $50 or so to have it dropped in your gun. The result is a gun that fires smoother and cocks easier, but it'll make that $210 blemished 48 cost $320, and it'll void the RWS lifetime warranty.

It may seem as if we do have something of a problem here. There are a couple guns that would suit your tastes and current physical abilities, but either they are not powerful enough to suit your tastes, or they are PCP guns, and therefore costly.
The Career Carbine might fit all your requirements, but it starts at well over your budget, and then you STILL need a scope and a scuba setup to get it filled. Forget about pumping -- my SO is a little longer than you, and weighs in at about the same, and when the Career is at 2000 psi, she couldn't get the pump lever down if her life depended on it (her full weight is not enough).

Springers in the power range that you seem to want are either too hard to cock, or too costly, and at any rate probably both.

I don't see what truthful answer you would like. That sucks, I know. It's much like a 5 foot person asking me whether he could ride my motorcycle, only to discover that his/her feet can't touch the ground.
You do have one advantage over my SO: you'll grow out of it -- literally. ;-)

I know I have not been giving answers that you would like. Since I feel that people have been insinuating that I have been giving you a hard time, I will stop answering from here on, but I meant everything I said. I realise that, if you'd decide to believe me, that would be a bit of a disappointment.
I do, however, think that if you'd buy a Beeman Kodiak or a Crow Mag (much more powerful springers/gas rams than the 48), and discover that you can't deal with the gun, the disappointment would be even bigger.

Trust me: A BSA Supersport is not much less powerful than a 48, but MUCH lighter in the field, MUCH easier to cock, cheaper, smoother and a better trigger out of the box, and darn accurate.

Give it a thought.

Good luck,
peter

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Msg. 272194  Posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 14:38:30:

Would plexi-glass covered with calking work? Stopping 800 fps .177 pellets?
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Re: Beretta Air Pistols


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Msg. 272193  Posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 14:38:01:

In Reply to: Re: Beretta Air Pistols posted by Greg S on August 06, 2000 at 14:29:04:

No, I dont have one, but I was thinking about buying one.
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Msg. 272191  Posted by Greg S on August 06, 2000 at 14:29:04:

In Reply to: Beretta Air Pistols posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 14:22:48:

I just purchased one 2/wks ago for what i know they are made by beretta.Do you have one?Have you heard anything about them?
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Msg. 272190  Posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 14:27:07:

In Reply to: Re: Muzzle Brake posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:47:38:

Where could I get a custom steel unit for the SS? Is the steel version that is made for the Crow Mag and R series rifles cable of fitting on a SS? Thanks again Russ, you are always of help!
Paul in MI
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Re: On youngsters and powerful adult style airguns.


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Msg. 272189  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 14:24:29:

In Reply to: On youngsters and powerful adult style airguns. posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:04:16:


Russ, this is one of your best posts in quite some time because it hits home for all of us! We need to be absolutely vigilant not only of our own actions but of the actions of those around us
relative to guns (of any type)!
Treat your airgun as though it was a .458 Winchester Magnum profoundly says it all! If people did THAT, there'd be a whole lot less accidents due to pure negligence and carelessness! Again, great post! --- Mr.P
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Msg. 272188  Posted by Dutch on August 06, 2000 at 14:23:47:

In Reply to: Re: Marty when you are right you are right. posted by Mike on August 06, 2000 at 12:50:03:

After first filling the rifle, there is a noticeable ease of trigger pull. After firing several rounds out of the gun and cranking up the power adjustment wheel, I have noticed that there is a marked difference in trigger pull. There is alot more trigger pull when you crank up the power wheel and there is a smaller volume of air in the gun. Could this be what the guy is talking about. I too had the problem of the trigger being too light. Very dangerous at the least I must say. I finally found the sweet spot, and I am not going to move it period. Before you send the gun away keep track of trigger pull consistency and the amt of shots you are taking. If it is difficult to pull for one shot and easy the next, I don't know....just send it off. If you are talking about my experience, then have at it.

Dutch

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Msg. 272186  Posted by john from NY on August 06, 2000 at 14:22:48:

Are the Beretta air pistols actually made by berreta, or are they made in China with licensing from Beretta?
thanks in advance-
john from NY
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Msg. 272185  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 14:18:18:

In Reply to: Re: DUMB QUESTION posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 13:52:25:

Hi Mike! :-) I'm considering the Blue Streak. What
type of pellets should I use? How much FPE and FPS
would the Blue Streak have? Could I hunt squirrels
with the gun? Would I have to buy an airgun scope
or not? Since it's not a springer and doesn't have
2 directional recoil. How accurate is the gun at 50
yards with a 7 power scope? Does it come in .22 cal.?
If it comes in .22 cal. were can I get it? I saw
one at www.crosman.com but I think it was CO2. I
don'y want a CO2.
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Msg. 272184  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 06, 2000 at 14:17:04:

In Reply to: Gas ram as replacement for spring in .22 BSA Lightning? Any comments, or on gas rams in general? posted by Dmitri on August 06, 2000 at 13:16:59:

I would give James Maccari a e-mail as the spring solutions costs less. Maccari has low opinion of gas rams in general except for RX-1 gun. He claims the rams are prone to problems more often than springs.
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Msg. 272183  Posted by john on August 06, 2000 at 14:10:34:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun silencers posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:53:13:

Well if i am not mistaken, i did say muffler/silencer. As in either/and/or.
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Msg. 272181  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 14:09:27:

In Reply to: Silver Streak Sports will be closed next week. posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 06, 2000 at 11:32:52:

nt
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Msg. 272180  Posted by BSJ on August 06, 2000 at 14:02:42:

This spring I had to stop shooting off my porch because a hen Turkey kept walking into the line of fire. This morning while shooting back in the woods on my FT course, I had to chase a deer off. It walked onto my practice lane, stopped and just stared at me about 70 yards out. It was neat checking out the flies on its head at 50x.

When I say chased, I mean chased. It wasn't bothered by previous shots. I even dry fired once and it didn't run off. I finally had to stand up and walk toward it.

While my Pro-Target isn't moderated it's still pretty quite, even at 17 ft/lb.

Nothing beats being able to shoot on my own property and not bothering anything. Not the Neighbors, not the wildlife, nothin' at all.

Grand Isle, VT. What a great place to live!

I'll be making some targets soon so I'll be able to put on my first FT match.
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Msg. 272179  Posted by Sandy on August 06, 2000 at 14:01:37:

In Reply to: Re: Urban legend? posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:38:07:

She is the most dangerous, if not smartest, woman in America.
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Msg. 272178  Posted by Kevin on August 06, 2000 at 13:59:28:

Just got a flyer on this show. Sounds like fun!
Who else is going???
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Msg. 272177  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 13:57:41:

In Reply to: DUMB QUESTION posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 21:35:11:


If you have any more questions on airguns, pellets, hunting (ANY hunting questions) or whatever, feel free to e-mail me off-line okay?

One more thing Cody. As long as the question is sincere,there is no such thing as a dumb question PERIOD and do NOT ever let anyone tell you different!

You young airgunners are what it's all about Cody! --- Mr.P
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Msg. 272176  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:53:13:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

John: since when do low powered BB guns need a silencer? Most of them are spring powered (under 300 fps) and develop more mechanical noise than airblast. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 272175  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 13:52:25:

In Reply to: DUMB QUESTION posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 21:35:11:


Cody, when I was about 13, I got a Sheridan Bluestreak and I can tell you that had all the power I needed! Plus it wasn't overly sized for me either. That was almost 35 years ago and we didn't have that many spring-piston guns to choose from in those years. Now what do I think? The Sheridan is still one fine hunting gun! That's what I think! Oh, you have to match the best ammo for it, hunt within it's range limitations, develope your shooting skills and learn where to shoot varmints and game JUST LIKE ANY OTHER GUN (including the 48 which I have several of).
Another fine gun would be the R-7. No, this is NO powerhouse Cody but it is a wonderful gun to learn how to shoot with! It will take all manner of pest birds for you and when YOU are more seasoned and more knowledgeable of what's required for hunting, it will even serve there on squirrels and rabbits (brain pan shots from the side and rear only) nicely out to about 30 yards. This would be a first class gun to start out with.
Another one would be the Benjamin 392 (.22). Good power, light and compact. I'm not crazy over the triggers of the new Sheridans or Benjamins but with the money saved (from what you'd spend on a springer) you could get a trigger job and still be MEGA BUCKS ahead! Plus, you'd develope arms like Popeye (can't beat that right?). It's not that bad. I used to pump my Sheridan 8 times frequently and 5 pumps was all I needed for most of my hunting. 3 pumps is just fine for charging tin cans! Hope this helps! ------ Mr.P
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Msg. 272174  Posted by Andrew on August 06, 2000 at 13:51:48:

In Reply to: Ohio State Field Target Shoots ago posted by Rick on August 06, 2000 at 12:51:05:

I will be at school =(
Down in Texas... So I wont be able to come...

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Msg. 272173  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:47:38:

In Reply to: Re: Muzzle Brake posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 13:23:36:

Paul: the universal brakes that are available are actually too light to help very much. The Beeman unit is aluminum, and does very little for real muzzle control. A custom steel unit could be more effective. RB
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Msg. 272172  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:41:12:

In Reply to: Silencers and mass hysteria. posted by Pavel Podvoiski on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:06:

Always err on the side of caution. RB
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Msg. 272171  Posted by 6MM on August 06, 2000 at 13:39:46:

hello! i see a new site for sell airsoft, so good!

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Msg. 272170  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:38:07:

In Reply to: Urban legend? posted by Sandy on August 06, 2000 at 13:02:01:

Read Hillary's bio- "Hell To Pay". While it's true she was not yet a lawyer at the time, she did support the Black Panther's (and a whole lot more). Her political agenda has always been a dangerous one, and subversive elements abound amongst her mentors. She wants the government deeply involved in your personal life and in the way you raise your children. I would not trust her as far as I could throw her ! RB
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Msg. 272169  Posted by Greg S on August 06, 2000 at 13:33:09:

i have a 990daisy dual power air rifle 650/bb,630/pellet.My question is do the bb,s do anything to the rifeling of the barrel?

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Msg. 272168  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:53:

In Reply to: Crotchedy people posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 09:28:12:



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Msg. 272167  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:06:

Guys, what wrong with you?

About 2 years ago i asked how to make silencer. In responce i got link to how-to page and warning of possible legal problems. I was ready to make one but after reading canadian laws figgured out silencers are illegal, no exemptions. So i drop this topic.

Year ago common reaction to silencer was "No-No!"

This year reaction to _not_to_be_pronounced_thing_ is "You moron exposing this site, our sport and ourselves to _not_to_be_named_government_agencies_!"

Do you realy think keeping mouth shut and flying low will save you?

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Msg. 272166  Posted by John on August 06, 2000 at 13:32:00:

Well all of you trying to scare me into giving up BB wars and what not wasted your breath because my friends and i are all very experienced and diceplined shooters; both BB and otherwise. We do wear all necessary protective gear, which in some cases is nothing (we use very very low quality guns), for the BBs do not break skin. If you disagree with my entertainment, i don't care. If you would like more information on starting your own BB wars, which are a fun, easy, safe,and MUCH cheaper alternative to paintball, email me. Thanks again,
John

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Msg. 272165  Posted by simon mitchell on August 06, 2000 at 13:26:03:

Hi every one im in the uk and would like some info
what gun should i get for hunting
what gun can give me a high ft/lbs ive been looking at a logun or rapid 7

any other thoughts

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Msg. 272164  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 13:25:34:

In Reply to: I agree, I agree posted by Billy on August 06, 2000 at 11:35:26:


Billy, I've seen your posts on this forum since last year and I can't remember one that didn't ask this same question over and over! Why? Are you just deliberately trying to agitate?

Newcomers can go over to AG if they desire and you know that! Edith has standards and evidently you cannot abide the thought of someone running their own forum by their own standards can you?

No one in their right mind would ever question LD's or JM's expertise but you seem to question over and over Edith's right (and obligation) to run this forum as she is led (by her principles and convictions). Let me tell you, you're posts are wearing pretty thin to say the least. You are trying to cause trouble (dissension and strife) and that is ALL you're trying to do. ---- Mr.P
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Msg. 272163  Posted by dmitri on August 06, 2000 at 13:24:07:

In Reply to: Re: Good oil posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 06, 2000 at 11:28:57:

What would you suggest for a Lightnings external metalwork?
(and stock and action?)

Cheers,

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Msg. 272162  Posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 13:23:36:

In Reply to: Re: Muzzle Brake posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 11:31:35:

Thanks Russ, I have been hesitent on getting one for that exact reason. I think I'm going to get one though. My off hand shooting is not that great with my SS and I find that the front end is so light. After doing some reading on the muzzle brake, I thought that it could help steady the front end. I shoot better with my Sheridan off hand, which is a lighter gun, but it is balanced better. I think I'm on the right track. Later,
Paul in MI
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Msg. 272161  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:21:46:

In Reply to: Gas ram as replacement for spring in .22 BSA Lightning? Any comments, or on gas rams in general? posted by Dmitri on August 06, 2000 at 13:17:06:

The drop in rams are quite good in quality. They just don't seem to develop as much power as with guns that are designed to be gas rams in the first place. Most retrofit rams simply equal the power of the spring, but rarely exceed it. (there are a couple exceptions). They are smoother, which seems to enhance the shooters ability to score better on their targets. RB
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Msg. 272160  Posted by larry on August 06, 2000 at 13:20:54:

I'm looking for history/year made information on this double barrel spring air .177 BB gun. help!
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Msg. 272159  Posted by Sammy on August 06, 2000 at 13:20:38:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250/2289 posted by Undecided on August 06, 2000 at 12:15:00:

I agree with Nik. Either is a great value for the money. I don't have the 2289 but I do have the 2250B and I shoot it better than any airgun I have owned or currently own. It is pretty amazing how accurate it is right out of the box even with the little cheap scope.
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Msg. 272158  Posted by rooster on August 06, 2000 at 13:20:27:

Na na nananaanaa...
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Msg. 272157  Posted by Dmitri on August 06, 2000 at 13:17:06:

Hi,
I'd like to hear from anyone out there who's replaced their spring with a drop in gas ram. Is it smoother, more powerful and accurate etc. etc.as Theoben claim?
(Particularly in the BSA Lightning).
Also, I've heard that the drop in gas rams aren't as good quality as those factory fitted (e.g. in the HW 90).

Any comments on these matters or general gas ram issues would be much appreciated, thanks.

Dmitri
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Msg. 272156  Posted by Dmitri on August 06, 2000 at 13:16:59:

Hi,
I'd like to hear from anyone out there who's replaced their spring with a drop in gas ram. Is it smoother, more powerful and accurate etc. etc.as Theoben claim?
(Particularly in the BSA Lightning).
Also, I've heard that the drop in gas rams aren't as good quality as those factory fitted (e.g. in the HW 90).

Any comments on these matters or general gas ram issues would be much appreciated, thanks.

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Msg. 272155  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 13:08:01:

In Reply to: Trend of the times posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 09:08:37:


Steve, I agree with most of your post. I, too, think this forum has been an invaluable resource to us all and I've met some absolutely wonderful people on this forum (including yourself). However, I believe that a password system would take away from the uniqueness of this forum in alot of ways. One, you would be filtering out ALOT of lurkers who get their info here. Alot of these people are newbies who are the lifeblood of the sport! Sure there's a price to pay to have an open forum but there's also some pretty big benefits too! I think this forum because of it's openness and easy accessability is the most important airgun forum in the world.

As far as crochety people are concerned, we have ALL and I mean every single one of us who have posted on the forum on a regular basis have been guilty of that! No apologies are necessary. Just an occasional attitude-reality check from time to time that's all! We all have posts that really raise our ire! And it's not just repetitive, newbie questions either! Sometimes a poster will come off really PC on hunting or shooting issues. I have to count to ten, take a deep breath and get the heck off the forum sometimes. I REFUSE to give away my joy and peace of mind to someone else I've never even met. Knowing me Steve, you know that hasn't always been the case but in my case, let's just say that I got a great reminder on perspective earlier this year that's made a huge and lasting impression on me.

Also, sometimes a newbie even though he may not know a whole lot, can still ascertain that his question was not fully, completely or correctly answered so he'll ask again. Other times, they'll want a consensus on a gun or scope or question. Can't really say as I blame them! Paying outs hundreds of dollars has often put me in an Ultra-Inquisitive mood!!! And I have STILL screwed up more times than I'd care to admit! LOL!

Take Care, Mike
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Msg. 272154  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 13:04:16:

This is a subject that I have mixed feelings about, and it's based on past experience. Having taught taught two sons, a foster son, neighbors sons and a whole bunch of other kids in years gone by, I know for a fact that putting a potent airgun in the hands of a teen or pre-teen can be a recipe for disaster, especially when the parent of that child is NOT into the shooting sports themselves. While each kid I've taught got pretty decent training, there are always some that just seem to lack a certain amount of requisite common sense.
If the parents allow the child to roam freely with the gun- unsupervised--(because after all- it's just a fancy BB gun, right?),inexplicable things can happen. I ran into one such instance here last week when my son and his buddy were out back shooting. While my son was sticking to some FT targets I had set up out back, his 18 yr old buddy was blasting away thru the trees, totally oblivious to the fact that there were several houses 200 to 250 yards behind the trees ! These houses can be seen, so there was no excuse such as "I didn't know they were there". Now this kid was taught to shoot by his own father, but apparently never got any lessons about giving any thought as to where the pellet goes when you miss the shot. I immediately ran up the hill and stopped him from shooting, then took the time to explain the situation to him. I hope it sunk in, but I'm not so sure it did. He may watch out in my presence from now on, but when on his own in the woods, he may revert back to his original style of not paying attention.
Another thing youngsters will always do is to take unecessary chances. This seems to be a condition of youth and lack of experience, later fortified wih testosterone. I've been there and done that myself. The only thing I can offer to those who act without much concern for the consequences are words that my dad drilled into me for years. "THINK before you act!", which is the same as the old "Look before you leap". It can save your life and it can prevent a lot of pain and aggravation.
The rules of shooting safety apply to airguns as well as firearms. Treat an airgun like it was a .458 Win Mag, and you should be fine. ( I hope!)
Regards, Russ
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Msg. 272153  Posted by Sandy on August 06, 2000 at 13:02:01:

In Reply to: Re: Bring back that story on Hillary Clinton and Connecticut murder posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 01:36:55:

You decide. See attached URL.

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Msg. 272152  Posted by Rick McAllister on August 06, 2000 at 12:59:17:

In Reply to: Ohio State Field Target Shoots ago posted by Rick on August 06, 2000 at 12:51:05:

Great news Rick. Just what I was hoping for – another goal to focus on. This time, I will be coming to Youngstown with a friendly vengeance.

This is not a match to miss. Can’t wait!!!

Rick McAllister

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Msg. 272151  Posted by Giles on August 06, 2000 at 12:53:34:

Yes!
It's true!
I've finally found a bit of free time to spend on upgrading my site. In the next few days I am intending to work on the "Quarry" page, the "Night Hunting" page and whatever else I (or you, if you wish- mail me any suggestions, or post here) feel necessary. I am also arranging some links and so on for the sale of PROMETHEUS DYNAMICS and other pellets of the Prometheus range.

Check the site every so often...

Giles

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Msg. 272150  Posted by Rick on August 06, 2000 at 12:51:05:

At Thursdays nights club meeting, I gave all the details of July 9ths match and asked to hold the Ohio State Field Target Championship match on Oct 1st and they gave me the go ahead, also I asked again if I could open the practice range at 8 am instead of 9 am stating that some of you guys are from out of state and getting on the road an hour earlier makes a big difference and they said they had no problem with the earlier starting time.
So its set, the Ohio State Field Target Championship Shoot will be on Oct.1, 2000 at the Fish and Game Club of Vienna, across from the Youngstown Regional Airport on SR 193, it will be a 70 shot match shot in the woods just south of the practice range, those of you who shot our July 9th match know where we'll be shooting and I promise it will be as challenging as the July 9th match, so make some plans and come and shoot with us.
For more info. and directions to the match you can e-mail me at Airoe@alo.com or phone me at home after 8pm est. at 330-637-9442.
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Msg. 272149  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 12:50:56:

In Reply to: Lusting for power posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 08:49:28:



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Msg. 272148  Posted by Mike on August 06, 2000 at 12:50:03:

In Reply to: Marty when you are right you are right. posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 10:26:47:

I have experienced the same problem with my .25 cal.Career 707 purchased from ARS. Trigger pull becomes real light after shooting several rounds through it.It will discharge without touching the trigger sometimes.Or the trigger becomes so light you are not able to shoot the gun accurately because of trigger release.It also causes the cocking lever not to work properly when loading a pellet.Loaded more than one pellet several times.End up turning trigger adjustment screw 1 turn counterclockwise for a heavier pull.Trying to contact ARS thru e-mail.But unable to get thru.
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Msg. 272147  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 12:49:43:

In Reply to: Second that. posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 01:42:54:

Hi John Sa. The reason I dont want a Benjamin or Sheridan
is because I don't like mult-pump pneumatics. Because I
might need a follow up shot. But I might buy it.
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Msg. 272144  Posted by Michael A on August 06, 2000 at 12:28:22:

In Reply to: Re: Tyrolean stocks!!!!...shutzen bitte... posted by Steve B. on August 06, 2000 at 01:21:44:

I'm finishing one up out of walnut for my RWS48, and have abandoned any aspirations in the weight department. I like the feel and will soon see how it shoots; I don't see how it can be any worse than the standard stock which I have always loathed.

But now I can pose!!! LOL

PS Been to Tyrolia/Tirolia. Cool place (pun intended)
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Msg. 272143  Posted by Michael A on August 06, 2000 at 12:19:01:

In Reply to: Why can I see a pellet fly but unable to see a barn door at 10 paces? posted by jeffl on August 06, 2000 at 08:03:06:

....when I used to shoot IPSC (practical or "combat" pistol shooting) I would look over the shooting shoulders particularly those shooting .45 and see the rounds go downrange for the first 10-20 yds all the time. I think around 1000 fps your eyes lose track.

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Msg. 272142  Posted by Nik on August 06, 2000 at 12:18:44:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250/2289 posted by Undecided on August 06, 2000 at 12:15:00:

I have both. The 2289 is the more accurate at the moment. I have extended the bolt probe and glued the barrel to the comp tube.
I think the 2250 will be just as good when I modify it. I plan on bulking it too.
Either one is a great value.
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Msg. 272141  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 12:16:58:

In Reply to: How long is it safe to spring gun cocked without spring fatigue? posted by bb on August 06, 2000 at 12:05:11:

BB: if your R-9 is stock, I'd keep it to 40 yards maximum. If you are using Premiers that fit snugly, I'd go even less than that. The spring question is discussed further down in the forum. RB
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Msg. 272140  Posted by Undecided on August 06, 2000 at 12:15:00:

I'm wondering if anyone could tell me how the Crosman 2289 compares to the 2250 in terms of accuracy.

I'd like a relatively cheap plinker,and from what I hear the 2250 has good accuracy.I'm hoping the 2289 is in the same leauge,as I'd prefer to stay away from co2.

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Msg. 272139  Posted by Rick McAllister on August 06, 2000 at 12:14:15:

Dave Goldfarb and I returned from the Oak Ridge, TN field target Match at 10pm yesterday evening. Fred did another very good job putting this match together; especially under the conditions he is experiencing at his club. We all thanked him and wished him the best of luck. He has to have one of the premier sites to host FT matches in the East, if he can weather the impending storms.

Like every FT match we’ve done this year (Dave 5 and me 7), we leave after work on Friday, shoot the match on Saturday morning, then drive back Saturday night. It can be a pretty fast pasted and exciting 24 hour jaunt for a couple of FT newbies. And, believe it or not, sometimes it gets even better than you expect.

Yesterday morning when the squading for the match was all done, I was handed a clipboard, and on the scorecard under mine was the name Robert Crocker, the reining United States Field Target Champion. The two of us would be paired together all day to shoot the match – me shooting my new CRX and him shooting his new and seriously customized CRX. Actually, we would both shooting our CRX’s for the first time in competition. To shoot with Robert was one of my goals for this season, I hoped for the opportunity to meet him and learn from him, and I wasn’t disappointed. Talk about a clinic.

Ok, so at first I was a little nervous and missed three of my first eight shots. But then I tighten things up a bit and settled down enough to shoot like I wanted to shoot. I had a great time. Although it was very hot, and the course a little more difficult then we had seen before at Oak Ridge, Robert was very patient with my questions and a pleasure to watch shoot. Yes there was, on occasion, a very good tip or two offered in my direction, which I will be more than happy to pass along to everyone, right after I return from the Nationals and Worlds later this month.

I don’t have all the final results, and I know Fred Cobb will be posting them completely in the next few days, but I can tell you how Robert and I did. Robert shot a 56/60 and I shot a 54/60. And, think about living this little episode – there was one lane that Robert missed one target and I then I cleaned the lane. That’s like out driving Tiger Woods!!! I wanted to get up and jump around for a few minutes. I will tell you also that Robert finished 4th (a three way tie for 3rd was broken in a shoot-off) and I finished 6th. Dave Goldfarb also shot well with a 51/60, a personal best to date, but not totally unexpected now that he is finally behind his Career DG-707.

On this day, we amassed a talented and respectable group of FT shooters for sure, but there is nothing like hearing the US Champ say “Good shot.”

Have fun and be safe.

Rick McAllister

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Msg. 272138  Posted by Nik on August 06, 2000 at 12:11:49:

Saw this on an auction site. I am not affiliated with the seller or the site. (Just wish I had the cash to bid)
Is this a predessor(sp?) to the Ackvoke?
If someone buys this, please share the details with the rest of us.

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Msg. 272137  Posted by Derrin on August 06, 2000 at 12:10:51:

In Reply to: Lusting for power posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 08:49:28:

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Msg. 272135  Posted by Doug Owen on August 06, 2000 at 12:08:56:

In Reply to: Re: Second that. posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 08:07:00:

Cody,

That's fine. However, the idea is not to dismiss his comments like that, he's offering you very sound advice. I'd suggest you go back and reread his post.

The idea of asking questions to learn is to learn. There's a lot of wisdom here, accepept it, thank folks for thier efforts on your behalf, and profit from it or don't bother them by asking.

I don't mean to be harsh, and hope I'm not coming across that way. It just if folks aren't saying the sorts of things you want to hear, consider it's not because they are trying to just tell you 'don't do that', but because that's sound advice.

Doug Owen
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Msg. 272134  Posted by Derrin on August 06, 2000 at 12:08:15:

In Reply to: Silver Streak Sports will be closed next week. posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 06, 2000 at 11:32:52:

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Msg. 272133  Posted by bb on August 06, 2000 at 12:05:11:

Also, any of you field hunters...
What would you consider the mazimum effective range of a .20 R9 against the common Crow, not the larger Raven.
Some guys on the forum claim 50 yds., and I know head shots are it, but what if your shot placement is not perfect.
At what range should I not shoot if I am likely to hit above the wing line, but not necessarily the head.
Thanks.
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Msg. 272132  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 06, 2000 at 12:04:04:

In Reply to: advice on rifle for rat control posted by TS on August 06, 2000 at 11:14:07:

Either rifle should do the job. If you want variable power and no recoil to affect accuracy, and like to build your arm muscle with a lot of pumping, get the Streak and put a Wms peep on it. If you don't mind practicing a lot to learn how to handle the reverse recoil of a magnum springer, get the Supersport in .22 cal (which is easier to scope -- but you'll have to get one which will stand up to the recoil).
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Msg. 272131  Posted by Doug Owen on August 06, 2000 at 12:01:46:

In Reply to: Why can I see a pellet fly but unable to see a barn door at 10 paces? posted by jeffl on August 06, 2000 at 08:03:06:

I've seen this a number of times. Vision is a tricky thing, movement is processed differently than details. Normally you're distracted when you fire, often involved with recoil (causing movement in your eyes, making 'everyting' move).

Small bore shooters often see this from behind when working hard on follow through. Given reasonable lighting, you see the bullet rise, then fall on it's trip to the target. You can't usually see it concentrating on it, again it's part of how vision is processed.

By looking a bit to the side, I suspect you get a better perspective. Like I said, I see this too from time to time, the last when I was firing at the berm trying to figure where a .22 CO2 pistol was hitting a few weeks back. Like you, I had my head a few inches off to one side after 'setting up' the shot.

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Msg. 272130  Posted by Larz on August 06, 2000 at 12:01:35:

In Reply to: Re: Chamber Oiling posted by RGunn on August 06, 2000 at 06:47:04:

I agree chamber should be avoided in modern spring guns. However, the statement about being moly'd from the factory is kinda off.

Yes some companies like BSA and possibly AA do use moly (or some form of it) but the likes of HW RWS etc., use very cheap grease /oils in their chambers, mostly as a rust inhibitor.

So in addition to not oiling, a teardown, cleaning and proper lubing is almost always a good bet.

Later

Larz


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Msg. 272129  Posted by Doug Owen on August 06, 2000 at 11:52:54:

In Reply to: Russ is ALMOST right. posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 07:11:50:

"If you are ready to discount .04 grains, he's on the spot... they're 8.66 grains. ;-p"

You'd call Russ a liar for .04 grains? Peter, you're a hard, hard man....

I like that, keeping Russ honest is a full time job. Mike and I can't seem to do it alone Russ keeps slipping out and getting to his computer). Nice to have someone else in on the project. Speak up when you're ready to stand a shift in the 'Russ Watch'....

Doug Owen
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Re: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow???


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Msg. 272128  Posted by Dave N on August 06, 2000 at 11:51:14:

In Reply to: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by Willey M on August 05, 2000 at 23:16:34:

Years ago during the Great California Drought, I was shooting my then barnd new Beeman Origonal 35. Same senario ,105+ degrees, suddenly a LOUD crack, upon discharge, and I freaked, called Mr Beeman, drove the 125 mi. to have him inspect the gun.
The outcome was that since the sun had heated the rifle so much, and so the lube , that the gun partally "Superised" itself, fortunately giving itself a huge boost in velocity, that has remained to this day! 735fps with H&N Matches, on his chrony! Now results may not occur the same for you, but hot was good to me!
Mr.Beeman said ,maybe we should all shoot our guns on hot days, and clean them out, grinned and handed the gun back to me.
Im in no way promoting deiseling your guns, but I think that allowing the metal and seals to expand naturally in heat may provide some benifit to the function of their internal parts it seems. Wheather this works or not, I cannot prove ,other than between Mr Beeman and I, but I've laid all my airguns down for a while on those nice hot days,what could a few minutes of "tanntng" hurt?
Don't burn your cheek!
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Re: advice on rifle for rat control


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Msg. 272126  Posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 11:43:29:

In Reply to: Re: advice on rifle for rat control posted by john on August 06, 2000 at 11:16:35:

Rats aren't hard to knock down but a good co2 gun should be the best because where there is one rat there is more and you want a fast follow up shot. Super sport is a good one also.
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Confusion


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Msg. 272125  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 11:37:04:

In Reply to: Care for my Gamo 890? posted by TheMatrix on August 06, 2000 at 05:35:05:

I think you are confused (or the person you got that info from is confused). It Takes 1000 shots to break the gun in ! RB
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I agree, I agree


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Msg. 272124  Posted by Billy on August 06, 2000 at 11:35:26:

In Reply to: Lusting for power posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 08:49:28:

I was one of those kids who wanted big power in my airgun when I was young, and there was nowhere to go for help. As this kid got older(much) I met Tim at Mac1 about twelve years ago. Prayers answered. Later through the power of the internet I became aquainted with Larry Durham (ld), and Jim Maccari. Now I wonder: this forum attracts many new airgunners and that is commendable. The fact that ld and JM aren't allowed here to shed some light to all is a disgrace. Perhaps you can enlighten us as to why that is so. Please don't ignore me, I'm not being crotchety.
By the way, when I was young, I couldn't wait to lay rubber! Layed it and layed it as often as I could talk her into it, my old Corvette that is!!!
Billy
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Msg. 272123  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 06, 2000 at 11:34:48:

In Reply to: Re: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 23:25:33:

I'm not gonna pretend I know the reason, but this is definitely true: I just returned from the Oak Ridge FT match, and it was both hot and humid out in those woods! I had a problem all day long with my HW-77 hitting low, velocity was down about 30 FPS, and it DID make a big difference with targets with 1/2" and 3/4" kill zones! Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 272122  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 06, 2000 at 11:32:52:

Due to an illness in the family, I will be out of town from the 7th until the 11th of August.

My apoligies if this should cause anyone any inconveinence in ordering product. I will post upon my return.

Thanks,
Marty
SSSports

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Re: Muzzle Brake


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Msg. 272121  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 11:31:35:

In Reply to: Muzzle Brake posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 11:19:16:

Paul: I think it happened to Kevin at Straightshooters.. RB
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Re: Good oil


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Msg. 272120  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 06, 2000 at 11:28:57:

In Reply to: Good oil posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 10:09:59:

Matt, I would not use oil on the wood, it can on certain finishes soften it over time. Use it on the joints, but use a good liquid polymer car wax on the wood, waterproof, and won't soften it.

Marty

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Re: Airgun silencers


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Msg. 272119  Posted by john on August 06, 2000 at 11:24:41:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun silencers posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 00:48:05:

John sa.-
I am not the original poster, and yes there are to many johns on this forum, from now on I will post as "john from NY" to prevent further confusion.
-john from ny
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Msg. 272118  Posted by Quack on August 06, 2000 at 11:19:16:

Have any of you guys had a law enforcement official question you about your airguns with muzzle brakes, mistaking them as silencers. Thanks in advance
Paul in MI
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Msg. 272117  Posted by john on August 06, 2000 at 11:16:35:

In Reply to: advice on rifle for rat control posted by TS on August 06, 2000 at 11:14:07:

Although I dont have either, I would get the Supersport If I were you. I've heard nothing but good things about it, and alot of people on this forum has one.
good luck-
john
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Msg. 272116  Posted by TS on August 06, 2000 at 11:14:07:

I’m looking for an air rifle for shooting rats, but did not want something cheaply made. I was originally considering a Blue Streak, but see the BSA Supersports are on sale. I’m trying to stay under $200. How do these two rifles compare (other than pump vs. spring), and which would be better for rat control? Is there another model I should look at? Thanks.


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Re: Homemade Pellet trap


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Msg. 272115  Posted by John on August 06, 2000 at 10:50:14:

In Reply to: Homemade Pellet trap posted by Dave on August 06, 2000 at 00:26:39:

I've been shoting into a 5gal plastic paint bucket stuffed with old pillows for over a year and never shot thru it. It's nice and quiet too.
John S
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Oh and another thing. Never point a gun at anybody...


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Msg. 272114  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 10:43:12:

In Reply to: Find out when it's garbage day in your neighborhood and... posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 10:40:21:

And especially when you intend to pull the trigger. BB wars will only get you in trouble, hurt your friends and give the shooting sports a bad name. Read and learn how to have fun with guns and keep it a life long pleasurable experience by being responsible.
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Oops! Error! Thanks, Mike! ;-)


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Msg. 272113  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 06, 2000 at 10:40:40:

In Reply to: Re: 48's and Super Sports posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 07:53:46:

You are absolutely right, Mike! My fingers were working faster than my brain on that one. Straight Shooters' data also agrees with the 13.9 weight on the .22 Super H-P. BTW - the avg. fps figure I used (or misused) was just a couple of days after I got my 48 back from being tuned, which might explain the lower than usual average figure. Sounds like I need to get out & set up the chrono again! Thanks for catching my error - we don't want the young man making a decision based on bad data!! Have a good one!
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Msg. 272112  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 10:40:21:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

If you have any put them in the trash after you ruined them. They are illegal to possess.
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Msg. 272111  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 10:35:37:

In Reply to: Homemade Pellet trap posted by Dave on August 06, 2000 at 00:26:39:

My friend Stocky once gave me this idea of a pellet trap that I have been using for long time now. I mean this trap can take the abuse of a Career at full fury. Here it goes...
Go to home depot's electrical department and find one of those small (5"x9") GE electrical boxes made out of steel painted gray.It also has a convenient door on it to close it up. Take it home and remove its guts. In the same department they sell bars of ductseal. IT is the same as Beeman's ballistic putty only a lot cheaper. Line the trap with 4 of those bars and you are good to go for long time.
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Re: why? (nt)


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Msg. 272110  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 10:33:43:

In Reply to: Re: why? (nt) posted by peter huppertz on August 05, 2000 at 18:07:00:

Okay Peter. I'm going to limit the animal size to
squirrels at the biggest. I wont ask anymore questions
about hunting woodchucks with airguns.
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Msg. 272109  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 10:28:38:

In Reply to: Same here posted by Hawley on August 04, 2000 at 16:46:25:

It's not your fault. Peter started it all hehe.
Safe shooting
Steve
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Re: First air pistol purchase - Help!


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Msg. 272108  Posted by Stan Campbell on August 06, 2000 at 10:26:48:

In Reply to: First air pistol purchase - Help! posted by Jack C on August 06, 2000 at 00:45:34:

Try http://www.air-rifles.com/ Talk to Davis and get the AR6 Pistol. it is .22 cal and will shoot a crow mag pellet at almost 1000 fps. They are about $500. Kind of like a 6 shot revolver.
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Msg. 272107  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 10:26:47:

In Reply to: Steve just a thought on that,..... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 06, 2000 at 10:07:21:

I just read that post right after I woke up. Now that I DID wake up and read your post, I agree the whole gun should go back.
SS
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Re: DUMB QUESTION


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Msg. 272106  Posted by Art on August 06, 2000 at 10:18:08:

In Reply to: Re: DUMB QUESTION posted by MooCow on August 06, 2000 at 05:04:16:

Here is a URL for finding acronyms.

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Re: Why can I see a pellet fly but unable to see a barn door at 10 paces?


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Msg. 272105  Posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 10:13:49:

In Reply to: Why can I see a pellet fly but unable to see a barn door at 10 paces? posted by jeffl on August 06, 2000 at 08:03:06:

When I shoot the 10/22 at 35 yards and remington yellow jackets you could see them and with the big clip in you can just keep firing untill you moved it enough. The hurricane shoots slow and you should be able to see any pellet under 600 fps.
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Msg. 272104  Posted by matt sudol on August 06, 2000 at 10:09:59:

I found a good oil/grease for airgun stocks. It is made by Penn fishing company and made as a lube for fishing reels but I put it on the pivot points on my b-s blue streak and works great! Then I rubbed it on the wood and should be very good in the rain to help stop rusting on my RWS. I rubbed in on my new but used hurricane put a nice shine on the gun.
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Msg. 272103  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 06, 2000 at 10:07:21:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 Trigger. I hope MAC-1 reads this posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 09:12:20:

It may not do any good to just send the trigger, it could also be in the sear notch on the hammer, sending the trigger may not solve the problem at all and just delay getting the gun in working order. I would send the whole gun back, as there are many possible causes for the problem. I could be a undersized hammer, cocking slightly or a kinked hammer spring, just lots of things or a combination of several.

Just my thoughts,
Marty
SSSports

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Re: What model Crosman is this?


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Msg. 272102  Posted by Dave Durrett on August 06, 2000 at 10:05:12:

In Reply to: Re: What model Crosman is this? posted by DT Fletcher on August 06, 2000 at 02:36:31:

Thank you very much for the information you provided. I had no idea that the rifle was that old.
Best regards,
Dave
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Msg. 272101  Posted by Someone on August 06, 2000 at 10:05:08:

In Reply to: Re: pellet posted by 7 on August 06, 2000 at 03:18:18:

That's not exactly what I meant so let me clarify. Any pellet (whether it costs a dollar or ten dollars a tin) runs the potential of damaging a gun (particularly a springer) if it doesn't fit properly or if it it's too heavy or too lite.
A spring gun releys on the resistance of a pellet to sort of "cushion" the spring and piston as it is released. Too little resistance (pellets that are too lite or pellets that don't seal up with the bore properly) will allow that piston to slam forward without enough resistance.
Conversely pellets that fit too tight or weigh too much offer to much resistance and will make the spring "rebound backwards" and also do some damamge. With the pellets that you metioned and the power of the SM you run the risk of non uniform pellets (might be too lite and may not fit well) thereby not giving the piston enough resistance to work against. So again you can try them but for the "long term" I would look at a different pellet altogether. PCP's, multipumps, and Co2 guns may not shoot as well with too lite or heavy pellets, or ones that don't fit well but all you are wasting is air or Co2.

Regards,
Someone
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Re: Everybody quit asking this!!!


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Msg. 272100  Posted by Art on August 06, 2000 at 10:04:55:

In Reply to: Everybody quit asking this!!! posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 00:38:43:

Just a comment. Under the Anti-Terrorist Law recently passed the FBI can now declare a group a Terrorist group and get all records of members of the group with giving a reason and it cannot be challenged in court.
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Re: He might have meant the 6 mm SOFTAIR BBs


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Msg. 272099  Posted by Someone on August 06, 2000 at 09:52:56:

In Reply to: He might have meant the 6 mm SOFTAIR BBs posted by AbeL on August 06, 2000 at 08:29:34:

As they use a "hop up" system or "green gas" a silencer would be ineffective. As well most of the noise in a "hop up system is the motor and in the green gas it's more the cocking. Most of the replica softair that I have seen does have a companion silencer availible (SOCOM, UZI, MAC-10, etc)

Regards,
Someone
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Re: Care for my Gamo 890?


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Msg. 272098  Posted by Art on August 06, 2000 at 09:48:05:

In Reply to: Care for my Gamo 890? posted by TheMatrix on August 06, 2000 at 05:35:05:

I haven't heard of the 1000 round limit but they might be referring to using either a pellet that is too light or heavy. This would cause spring bounce that would eventually cause premature spring breakage.

As for springers are bad for newbies there are a couple of reasons people may say this. One heavy recoiling makes a springer 'HOLD' sensitive and may be harder to learn to shoot accurately. Another is since the recoil is both forward and rearward it can break a rifle scope or cause it not to hold zero so you get lousy groups and get discouraged. You can't use the $20 to $30 dollar range of riflescopes on a heavy recoiling 'springer'. Another is an airgun has to be broken in before it settles down and gives consistent groups & velocity. This usually takes around 1000 shots this may be the 1000 limit you read about.

The good news is either of these can be overcome.
There are good selections of Airgun rated scopes if you are planning on using a scope that is. Also now you know about "HOLD sensitive" simply try different methods of holding the rifle, loose tight somewhere in the middle. This should not be a problem, as you will have to test various brands of pellets and learn the pellets trajectory at different ranges anyway so make the whole process a pleasurable experience rather than a chore.
Remember don't try to do pellet testing for the first 500 to 1000 shots as the gun will require a break in period. Just have fun with it for the break in period. You use cheaper pellets for this and save the good stuff after the break in. I would also suggest buying a sampler pack of pellets for accuracy testing that way you don't get stuck with several tins of pellets that you can't use.
I think that an artice on shooting a springer is on the BSA owners home page also on Straight Shooters or maybe Fun Suppy.
Practice often & have fun,
Art

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Msg. 272097  Posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 09:28:12:

In Reply to: Trend of the times posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 09:08:37:

I don’t think the problems we’re having are from people who could be considered “bad apples.” I think they’re ordinary people who love airgunning and enjoy the exchanges on the Airgun Forum, but they become impatient when newcomers “intrude” on the way this forum has functioned for most of the time it’s been available. Basically, I think some of these people could be described as “crotchedy.” They’re usually nice, usually patient, usually friendly, usually helpful - but when there are a number of postings they aren’t interested in or don’t find useful, they get nasty and insulting.

Edith Gaylord
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http://www.airgunletter.com

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Msg. 272096  Posted by Hans de Haan on August 06, 2000 at 09:17:58:

Derrin, the factory (Theoben) told me they had two batches of the SLR made, up till now. The first one was not quite so powerfull as the second one. The third will be as powerfull as the second one. The difference was 1 ft/lbs for Cp's in .22, which is quite a heavy pellet. So the powerrange for the first batch was 16/17 ft/lbs, the second did 17/18 ft/lbs. They changed some minor points on this batch. The main thing with the 'modest' power is that the cockinglink is quite short. So to not make cocking too hard, the pressure inside the gasram stays modest. Still, 18 ft/lbs is enough for hunting out to 50 yards.

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Msg. 272095  Posted by Hans on August 06, 2000 at 09:17:26:

In Reply to: SLR 98 dilema......................... posted by Derrin on August 04, 2000 at 23:20:11:

Derrin, the factory (Theoben) told me they had two batches of the SLR made, up till now. The first one was not quite so powerfull as the second one. The third will be as powerfull as the second one. The difference was 1 ft/lbs for Cp's in .22, which is quite a heavy pellet. So the powerrange for the first batch was 16/17 ft/lbs, the second did 17/18 ft/lbs. They changed some minor points on this batch. The main thing with the 'modest' power is that the cockinglink is quite short. So to not make cocking too hard, the pressure inside the gasram stays modest. Still, 18 ft/lbs is enough for hunting out to 50 yards.

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Msg. 272094  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 09:12:20:

In Reply to: Career 707 Trigger posted by Joe Rich on August 06, 2000 at 01:41:58:

I own many Careers and I never experience what you describe with your trigger. Your trigger is inconsistent to say the least if not dangerous.
I would just take it off the gun and send it back to Tim to check it out personally. A trigger that is one time light and the next hard without being adjusted is bad news.
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Msg. 272093  Posted by Steve in CT on August 06, 2000 at 09:08:37:

In Reply to: Lusting for power posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 08:49:28:

The one thing that diferrentiated this forum from the rest is its accessibility to the airgunning community at large. Everybody old and young, knowledgeable and students can come here free to exhange ideas, learn, bond with humor and at the best cases meet other airgunners nearby who share their interests. In my case making friends with Russ Best whom I met here was worth coming here 100 times over. However like in any city, country or any community the bad apples abound.
I wonder if the time has come for Edith and Tom to start passing passwords out to keep those bad apples out. Unfortunately this solution has its price. I just wish those people would just vaporize out of here.
Regards
Steve in CT
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Re: He meant BB wars w/ Sh!tty, Sh!tty guns


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Msg. 272092  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 08:56:16:

In Reply to: He meant BB wars w/ Sh!tty, Sh!tty guns posted by MooCow on August 06, 2000 at 04:49:35:

OHH YAH. I have a Marksman Model 1010 or something
like that. IT SUCKS! I loaded the gun and pointed
the barrel at a balloon. It was less than 1 foot
away pulled the trigger. Nothing happend. Tried
it again. Nothing happened. The BB's bounced off
the balloon! And it was loaded too if you think
it wasn't.
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Msg. 272091  Posted by pe on August 06, 2000 at 08:56:00:

I seen that Compasseco had TechForce 35 pistols for 29.95 so I thought what the heck if it's no good I can use it for a hammer. After receiving the pistol I cleaned it up (nasty grease). My first shot was at a pop can at 10 meters. I could see the pellet go over the top about 6 inches. My first thought was... what a dog! I adjusted the sights and hit the pop can only making a dent in it. ("WHAT A DOG") I keep on shooting and after about 25 shots the damn thing is shooting just as hard as my Sheridan. Now it will go clear through a pop can at 15 meters. And it is pretty accurate. It is a heavy pistol but is balanced okay it is also a pain to load Not a bad plinker for 30 bucks.
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Msg. 272090  Posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 08:49:28:

In Reply to: 10 commandments of the Airgun Forum: Read and believe! posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 08:34:08:

In previous years, I didn’t have to repost the 10 commandments but every few months. Then, I saw a need to repost every month. That progressed to a need to post it every couple of weeks. I can see a need now to post it hourly!

Stop being rude. Stop being nasty. Do you really think you do a service to the shooting sports by being insulting and obnoxious? If someone asks a question that has been asked over and over and over again - or that’s already answered elsewhere on the Airgun Forum - simply ignore the posting and don’t answer! Unless someone is particularly dense, they’ll get the hint.

I know there are a lot of kids who want to shoot powerful airguns. Cody is part of the current crop. Do you remember when you were a kid? You may not have lusted after a powerful airgun, but you probably lusted after a car that could lay rubber for 50 feet. No matter who you are, you lusted after power - in some form. So, if you can’t emphathize with a kid who’s got the same lust for power, then ignore his requests for information - but don’t insult him.

Get out and shoot your airgun instead of becoming addicted to a monitor and keyboard. The reason most guys are here is to get more info about shooting airguns. Unfortunately, some of you have replaced actual shooting with simply talking about shooting. There’s a wonderful world of targets, cans and pests waiting for you - but you have to push yourself away from the keyboard to find it. Just do it!

Edith Gaylord
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10 commandments of the Airgun Forum: Read and believe!


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Msg. 272089  Posted by The Airgun Letter on August 06, 2000 at 08:34:08:

The 10 commandments of the Airgun Forum are reposted below:

1. There are no airgun gods or goddesses.

2. There are no sources of infallible information.

3. Do not refer to other people on this forum by insulting names.

4. Remember that most people reading the postings think of airgunning as FUN and THAT is the reason they shoot and/or collect airguns and come to this site.

5. Treat your fellow airgunners with the same respect you would like to receive.

6. Do not post lewd/inappropriate/unrelated messages - or you may lose your access to this site.

7. Do not attempt to undermine the administrative processes of this site.

8. You can never make yourself look better by making others look worse.

9. Do not steal someone else's name/identification for posting.

10. Build up and edify your fellow airgunners - so that when YOU need someone, they will be there for you.

No one is perfect. No one can follow all the rules. Please do the best you can.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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He might have meant the 6 mm SOFTAIR BBs


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Msg. 272088  Posted by AbeL on August 06, 2000 at 08:29:34:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

I'm familiar with people around here (PA) that have BB wars using the battery powered orange tipped nozzle soft air guns that shoot 6 mm plastic BBs. They shoot at about 200 fps and are not dangerous as long as some protective clothing is worn. These guns are referred to as BB guns - just see the items offered for auction at www.gunbroker.com or www.auctionarms.com for more details.
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Re: Care for my Gamo 890?


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Msg. 272087  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 08:25:32:

In Reply to: Care for my Gamo 890? posted by TheMatrix on August 06, 2000 at 05:35:05:

I had a springer when I was 8. It was a Daisy Red
Ryder. It was my first gun. I've shot WAY more than
1000 shots with no problems. And I've NEVER oiled
it or cleaned the bore out.
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Re: Why are you so fascinated with shooting large animals?


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Msg. 272086  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 08:18:52:

In Reply to: Re: Why are you so fascinated with shooting large animals? posted by Eric on August 06, 2000 at 01:59:27:

I don't have a scope for my gun. I'm MUCH better
with a scope on any gun except a pistol. There was
a woodchuck when I was shooting my dad's .22 rimfire
But the woodchuck must have spotted me because it ran
away before I could shoot it. :-( No offense was
taken.
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Re: DUMB QUESTION


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Msg. 272085  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 08:10:16:

In Reply to: Re: DUMB QUESTION posted by R J K on August 05, 2000 at 21:46:59:

I'm 4 foot 7. And 125 pounds.
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Re: Second that.


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Msg. 272084  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 06, 2000 at 08:07:00:

In Reply to: Second that. posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 01:42:54:

I have 2 guns so it wouldn't be my first gun. :-)
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Why can I see a pellet fly but unable to see a barn door at 10 paces?


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Msg. 272083  Posted by jeffl on August 06, 2000 at 08:03:06:

This summer I was fortunate to find myself fishing alone in a bay on a large lake in Virginia. I had my Webley Hurricane with me ans set up some targets to plink at in between bites and was having a great time. Then I noticed a couple of suitable targets more than 50 yards out across the water - unreasonable distance for a hurricane. So I was pointing the gun well above the target and not sighting but watching for where the pellet hit the water - I swear I could see the whole trajectory of that pellet through the air and I sure don't have 20/20 vision. What is the phenomina going on here that lets you see a tiny pellet in motion at great distances ?
Its true that I had also had a couple of beers during the day but not enough to give me telescopic vision.
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Re: 48's and Super Sports


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Msg. 272082  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 07:53:46:

In Reply to: 48's and Super Sports posted by Lee Chastant on August 06, 2000 at 00:47:30:


Lee, that's a typo isn't it (the energy of your gun)? Even considering that H-Points are lighter than advertised, if you're getting 760+fps, shouldn't your energy be somewhat higher? A buddy of mine weighed some of these pellets and as I recall, they were more like 13.9gr.. With a muzzle velocity of 764 using a 13.9gr. pellet, you should have an energy of more like 18ft.lbs. (still a bit light for .22 48's but perhaps this is what the tuned version gets?). In any case, 18ft.lbs. is significantly more than 14 (which BTW is SS country). Thanks for the report Lee. ---- Mr.P
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Re: How many pumps for blue streak??


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Msg. 272081  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 06, 2000 at 07:35:48:

In Reply to: Re: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Eric on August 06, 2000 at 02:02:25:


Eric, as far as I can see Andrew was stating what HE saw as the use of a Steroid (more velocity with less pumps). He is, of course, entitled to his own views. Myself, I think when a gun is advertised with 14 pumps as one of the featured benefits, it's not unlikely or unreasonable to expect 14 pumps over the life of the gun. If people want to shoot the gun at say 5 pumps with more velocity, that's certainly their perogative. Nevertheless, the gun has always been billed as being 14 pumps and with a whole bunch of velocity too. THAT IMO is the main reason most airgunners buy a Steroid. To have a ton of energy from such a lightweight and recoilless gun is pretty appealing to alot of hunters out there 5 pump plinkers notwithstanding.
Otherwise, this gun could have been advertised as 8 pumps with much, much more velocity per pump. It wasn't obviously. Fourteen pumps was what we, the shooters, were told this gun would hold and that IS pretty appealing to alot of airgunners! --- Mr.P
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Russ is ALMOST right.


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Msg. 272080  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 07:11:50:

In Reply to: HN Field Target Tropy Smooths posted by dscott on August 05, 2000 at 21:26:26:

If you are ready to discount .04 grains, he's on the spot... they're 8.66 grains. ;-p

peter
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Re: Chamber Oiling


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Msg. 272079  Posted by Tom B on August 06, 2000 at 07:01:30:

In Reply to: Re: Chamber Oiling posted by RGunn on August 06, 2000 at 06:47:04:

Yep well stated there R Gunn.
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