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Russ is ALMOST right.


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Msg. 272080  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 07:11:50:

In Reply to: HN Field Target Tropy Smooths posted by dscott on August 05, 2000 at 21:26:26:

If you are ready to discount .04 grains, he's on the spot... they're 8.66 grains. ;-p

peter
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Msg. 272079  Posted by Tom B on August 06, 2000 at 07:01:30:

In Reply to: Re: Chamber Oiling posted by RGunn on August 06, 2000 at 06:47:04:

Yep well stated there R Gunn.
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Re: Crosman 111 pistol bulk fill (scope mount/rings?)


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Msg. 272078  Posted by Roger Barker on August 06, 2000 at 07:00:58:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 111 pistol bulk fill posted by Jeff on August 06, 2000 at 03:15:47:

Jeff,
What scope mount/rings did you use for the 111 and will they work for the 112 as well? Thanks in advance for your help.

Roger Barker
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Re: Chamber Oiling


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Msg. 272077  Posted by RGunn on August 06, 2000 at 06:47:04:

In Reply to: Chamber Oiling posted by MooCow on August 06, 2000 at 04:56:54:

Don't lube the chamber at all! If you own a newer airgun with a synthetic seal you don't need to lube it with oil. They are lubed with Moly from the factory.

If you choose to lube the chamber, even with the Beeman oil, you are risking a possible BIG diesel and possible blown breech seal, and or piston seal!

Older airguns which used leather seals where lubed with chamber oil. Newer airguns produce much higher chamber temperatures than the older airguns did.

Belive me, I learned this the hard way. Even after I was told not to use chamber oil I did it anyway. BOOM, no more breech seal!
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Care for my Gamo 890?


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Msg. 272076  Posted by TheMatrix on August 06, 2000 at 05:35:05:

Hi-

I just wanted to know if anyone had any information on how to maintain my Gamo 890. Where is it best to lubricate it?

The Gamo 890 is a springer, right?
Because I read somewhere that springers are limited to around 1000 shots...is this true? This has me quite disturbed. Thats only two pellet tins, and my airgun will be broken?

Also, why do people say springers are bad for newbies?

Thank you for answering my questions :) I appreciate it greatly.
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Re: DUMB QUESTION


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Msg. 272075  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 05:33:28:

In Reply to: DUMB QUESTION posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 21:35:11:

The 48 is a powerful gun alright. It's also heavy to take into the field, as well as relatively hard to cock, and not really user-friendly to the beginning shooter. Quite a few people find it hard to shoot it accurately.

You may think that you're a strong boy, but I know grown men of over 6' tall, who find themselves taking a Supersport with them into the woods -- for precisely these reasons. Mind you, if cocking the gun upsets your muscles and heartbeat enough to upset a steady aim, all that power is not going to help you one bit.

I also come across the word POWERFUL a lot of times in your post, which is unsettling.
You might want to ask yourself why you want a POWERFUL airgun first. Many people (especially kids) talk about wanting *RAW POWER*, only to find themselves regretting it later on.

I think it would be a good idea if you'd just sit back and actually think about that for a change.
While you're at it, also think about the fact that, apart from the gun itself, you should be prepared to spend an additional $ 100-150 AT LEAST for decent mounts and a scope. The 48 is a real scope killer, so you can't get away with cheapo mounts and a cheapo BSA Optics scope, or you may find yourself with an inoperative gun within a couple shots. (don't ask me how I know, hehheh.)

You're about to spend a lot of money. Better think about it very good, UNLESS you can afford to respend that same amount in, say, a couple weeks when you found out you did the Wrong Thing.

peter
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Msg. 272074  Posted by R J K on August 06, 2000 at 05:27:49:

In Reply to: Re: DUMB QUESTION posted by MooCow on August 06, 2000 at 05:04:16:

NO TEXT, or thats all said no need to click on it .
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Use heavy pillow in front of muzzle. This will stop noise and save you from a lawsuit and Janet's hoard. nt


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Msg. 272073  Posted by icon on August 06, 2000 at 05:17:33:

In Reply to: He meant BB wars w/ Sh!tty, Sh!tty guns posted by MooCow on August 06, 2000 at 04:49:35:

nt
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Msg. 272072  Posted by MooCow on August 06, 2000 at 05:04:16:

In Reply to: Re: DUMB QUESTION posted by R J K on August 05, 2000 at 21:46:59:

Whats "nt" mean?
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Re: Give him a break!


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Msg. 272071  Posted by peter huppertz on August 06, 2000 at 05:03:08:

In Reply to: Give him a break! posted by C Z on August 05, 2000 at 22:11:33:

You would be right if said poster would just have asked a question that some might have considered dumb.
However, if a poster asks a question, gets a reply like "don't do that with an airgun", and then INSISTS on it ("I just want to be able to do that") it's entirely possible that he might get treated a bit less nicely. It's very hard to tell someone a couple times in a row NOT to try and take on woodchucks with an airgun and remain entirely nice and patient. Even if it were your own offspring, at around the third time you'd stop being cheerful and say something starting with "now you listen for a change...".

There is a large tolerance to even stupidity on this forum, as long as the poster, juvenile or not, shows the intention to learn, and take good advice when he sees it. Just ask Josh.

peter


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Chamber Oiling


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Msg. 272070  Posted by MooCow on August 06, 2000 at 04:56:54:

I got a small bottle of Beeman chamber oil, and I'm having trouble applying the oil inside my chamber for a few reasons. First, I don't know how hard and how long I should squeeze the bottle for one drop to come out, since I can't see the damn thing. I tried practicing a million times on a tissue, but still I feel a bit scared of overlubing my chamber. Anyone have some suggestions? Lube it'
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Msg. 272069  Posted by MooCow on August 06, 2000 at 04:49:35:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun silencers posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 00:22:58:

Maybe he was having BB wars with guns that don't even perform as well as paintball guns in general. I have a gun that I tossed out the window the other day cause it was such a worthless peice of sh!t (Marksman Repeater). I shot a crow mag out of it, and believe me, I could chuck a pellet faster than the gun.
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Re: First air pistol purchase - Help!


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Msg. 272068  Posted by jr99 on August 06, 2000 at 04:01:33:

In Reply to: Re: First air pistol purchase - Help! posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 01:09:06:


You can get a Falcon pistol with a 12in action and get 800fps. Cost good money also.
but jacks and crows are out to 50yds generaly and the need for a accurate pistol at those ranges is mandatory.
Aloha John
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Re: Crosman 111 pistol bulk fill


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Msg. 272067  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 06, 2000 at 03:18:54:

In Reply to: Crosman 111 pistol bulk fill posted by Donc on August 06, 2000 at 02:23:10:

The trigger on the 111 can be improved. The sear engagement area is typically rougher than need be and can be smoothed, being very careful not to change the sear engagement angle. I know that some shooters have also installed over-travel adjustment screws.

The only real negative with the 111 series are the rear sights. I've been meaning to send a mint (all brass) 116 down to MAC-1 for Tim to cut dovetails and install a fine-adjustable rear sight.

Another thing I eventually want for my project 116 are some nice target grips.
dt fletcher
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Msg. 272066  Posted by 7 on August 06, 2000 at 03:18:18:

In Reply to: Re: pellet posted by Somone on August 06, 2000 at 01:35:28:

whoa...they can ruin the gun?? ok i won't use those...how about RWS?
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Re: Crosman 111 pistol bulk fill


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Msg. 272065  Posted by Jeff on August 06, 2000 at 03:15:47:

In Reply to: Crosman 111 pistol bulk fill posted by Donc on August 06, 2000 at 02:23:10:

I've got a couple of 112s with adjustable triggers, done Ron Robinson (author of Manic Compressive). I've scoped them, shoulder-stocked them and found them to be highly accurate magnum CO2 pistols. And, they're actual pistol size and lightweight.

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Msg. 272063  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 06, 2000 at 03:02:27:

In Reply to: Question for DT on Exhaust Valve Cap posted by Bob LeDoux on August 04, 2000 at 20:19:51:

There are two O-rings for the valve cap assembly, an internal quad ring and an external O-ring. See page 48 of 140/1400 book for the Factory Service description on how to replace these.

I am not aware of any need for lath work in this area. What you might be seeing is wear.
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Re: What model Crosman is this?


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Msg. 272062  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 06, 2000 at 02:36:31:

In Reply to: What model Crosman is this? posted by Dave Durrett on August 05, 2000 at 09:39:41:

You have an old model 101. It looks like your gun was made between about 1928 and 1930. The receiver casting was redone about 1930, basically to solve problems with the rear-sight screw mount stripping out. Prior to 1928, the barrel was made from steel. Those two changes bookend your gun into the 1928-1930 era.

Typically, the problem with these guns is that they were loved and used to death. Finding one in good condition is a real challenge. Your gun looks to be in good condition and I would estimate the value somewhere around $125 - $150.

For complete details about these guns, and the Crosman Arms Co from 1923 - 1950, see my 250 page publication, The Crosman Rifle 1923 - 1950 "The Most Amazing Gun Ever Invented"
Purchase online at http://dtfletcher.safeshopper.com
dt fletcher

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water vapor is lighter (less dense) that air -- strange but true. N/T


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Msg. 272061  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 06, 2000 at 02:27:55:

In Reply to: Re: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 00:29:45:


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water vapor is lighter (less dense) that air -- strange but true. N/T


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Msg. 272060  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 06, 2000 at 02:25:08:

In Reply to: Re: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 00:29:45:


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Msg. 272059  Posted by Donc on August 06, 2000 at 02:23:10:

Tom Gaylord worte an article about the many merits of the Crosman 111 bulk fill pistol. Everyting he said is true to the fact. I bought one along time ago but only recently had lots of fun with it.
I can not express my satisfaction with it's accuracy. The best $60.00 pistol I own. I have been focused with high end expensive stuff lately, BUT this pistol is a great value. Saving of bulk fill makes propellent shooting almost nill. The real story is in it's accuracy. I have shot it for 5000 rounds and it's the only air gun I own that is not pellet fussy. I shoot ANYTHING and it goes to the same POI at 17 yards in the basement. I'm talking one hole groups most of the time!!!!!!
Do yourself a favor and buy one!
The trigger could be better but I'm critical when it come to triggers. Most guys find it acceptable.
Don
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Re: Tyrolean stocks!!!!


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Msg. 272058  Posted by ron on August 06, 2000 at 02:14:37:

In Reply to: Tyrolean stocks!!!! posted by Doug Law on August 05, 2000 at 21:51:38:

doug, I have a HW97 .20 & FWB 127 .177 with walnut tyrolean stocks. i like the looks and feel.
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Re: How many pumps for blue streak??


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Msg. 272056  Posted by Eric on August 06, 2000 at 02:02:25:

In Reply to: Re: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Andrew Leung on August 05, 2000 at 22:18:05:

>Unless modified...the lever on the newer Sheridans can't take sustained 8+ pumps...though to be honest, the purpose I see for the Steroid treatment is so you can pump LESS and still get decent power.

Where did I say otherwise? I don't remember saying to pump over eight times or that the purpose of a steriod tune was for additional pumps...
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Re: ANYBODY OWN ANY BEEMAN R1, HW80?


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Msg. 272055  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 02:00:57:

In Reply to: ANYBODY OWN ANY BEEMAN R1, HW80? posted by GT on August 05, 2000 at 17:05:13:

GT, as you are just getting it i would just shoot the thing and get good at it then think of a tune kit the struts ive heard dont give anymore power then the spring it has..it just will give you less tweak and more of a thunk gas struts brake just like springs..a GSI : gas strut (?i) will give you a bit more power and the thunk recoil you look for in a tune..btw they all ware out\brake..springs and struts ..id just shoot it & save for a tune when it brakes..with the right pellet it should do high 800 ez ..with really lite stuff 1000 ..might not hit a barn door though ;)
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Re: Airgun silencers


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Msg. 272054  Posted by Someone else on August 06, 2000 at 02:00:16:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

Don't make a silencer and don't shoot BBs at anyone. Believe me, you're looking for a big pile of legal hassles. If you injure someone by SHOOTING something at them, You (or your parents, I suspect) are going to pay. Your "friend" won't be your friend for long if you put his eye out. Hope your daddy's a good lawyer...
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Re: Why are you so fascinated with shooting large animals?


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Msg. 272053  Posted by Eric on August 06, 2000 at 01:59:27:

In Reply to: Re: Why are you so fascinated with shooting large animals? posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 20:44:28:

That's OK, it was just a guess. I knew a lot of younger "city" hunters, and you just sounded a lot like one. Sorry for being suspicious, and hope no offense was taken. Just out of curiosity, why don't you use a firearm if you want to eliminate such large pests?


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Msg. 272052  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 01:49:42:

In Reply to: Re: First air pistol purchase - Help! posted by Jeff on August 06, 2000 at 01:33:38:

Don't have much experience with jackrabbits, but I have done in a crow or two. I had tremendously bad luck with crows until I got up into the 700-800fps range with a .20cal, then they started to get the point. I don't think I would try for a crow or a jackrabbit with a 500-600fps gun. But, that's just me.
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Re: Bears in your Backyard ?


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Msg. 272051  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 01:46:29:

In Reply to: Re: Bears in your Backyard ? posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 21:21:28:

Cody, Ian pellant, has free software that can show yer friend that its iffy at best. and at worst, stupid to try and kill a squirrel with a gun that does 300 fps you will need atleast 4-6 foot Lbs at impact to kill a squirrel.. with that software he'll find it cant be dont Humanely. yer just on the edge at 640fps with 20\22cal at 60 feet to kill rabbit ..tree rats are faster smarter and tuffer then a bunny
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Second that.


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Msg. 272050  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 01:42:54:

In Reply to: Re: DUMB QUESTION posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 00:57:57:

I have a several fairly powerful airguns, rifles and pistols. But, I end up shooting the medium to low power guns more than the hotter ones. If I were you, and noise isn't that big an issue, I would get a Benjamin or Sheridan rifle. They are solid and will last a couple of lifetimes with proper care. They are also quite powerful and very easy to shoot accurately. If, after shooting awhile, you want more power, you can look at getting your gun customized or maybe purchase another gun. If you do get another gun later, I'll bet you still shoot the old one more. In my opinion, a big springer is not a good way to get started in airguns. That is from a maintenance, shootability, cocking effort, just about every angle I can think of. I know I would have had problems with one when I was a pup.
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Msg. 272049  Posted by Joe Rich on August 06, 2000 at 01:41:58:

I got a carrer 707 from Mac-1 last week. I really like the gun,and I believe it will meet my expectations-

When I was zeroing my scope I was able to get several .22 cal. groups!! However, on several occations the gun fired on its own. I talked with Tim @ Mac-1, and adjusted the trigger 1/8 turn counter-clockwise as he suggested. Now the gun does not discharge on its own. The problem is the trigger is VERY hard most of the time, and every once in a while it feels light.

Is this inconsitancy normal for the Carrer? Any suggestions? I would really like to have a consistant trigger that is not super heavy and does not cause accidental discharge!!
Thanks for your input

-Joe-
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Msg. 272048  Posted by GH on August 06, 2000 at 01:38:28:

In Reply to: First air pistol purchase - Help! posted by Jack C on August 06, 2000 at 00:45:34:


Jack,
Not sure of why you have selected pistol and airgun criteria.
You have not mentioned a range,[though scope MAY indicate your desire to
work out in the 25yd. and beyond].
Just w/ your criteria I would consider a 22lr pistol.
If dimensional size,noise level,and the challenge of confining yourself to
an airgun,I might consider a cut-down air rifle..there have been several posters
that have done this w/ inexpensive Chinese guns..just a thought if you are a
tinkerer.....
GH
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Msg. 272047  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 01:36:55:

In Reply to: Bring back that story on Hillary Clinton and Connecticut murder posted by cvarcher on August 05, 2000 at 22:20:40:

Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that
a fellow black named Alex Rackley needed to die.
Rackley was a fellow Panther suspected of
disloyalty. Rackley was first tied to a chair. Once
safely immobilized his 'friends' tortured him for hours by, among
other
things, pouring boiling water on him. When they got tired of
torturing Rackley, Black Panther member Warren Kimbro took
Mr.Rackley
outside and put a bullet in his head. Rackley's body was later found
floating
in
a river about 25 miles north of New Haven, Conn.

Perhaps at this point you're curious as to what happened to these
Black
Panthers. In 1977, that's only eight years later, only one of the
killers
was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get
scholarship to Harvard. He later became an assistant dean at
Eastern Connecticut State College. Isn't that something?
As a '60s radical you can pump a bullet into someone's head,
and a few years later, in the same state, you can become an
assistant
college dean! Only in America!

Erica Huggins was the lady who served the Panthers by boiling the
water
for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was elected
to a
California School Board. How in the world do you think these killers

go
off so easy? Maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people

who
came to
the defense of the Panthers. These two people actually went so far
as to
shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the
accused
Black Panthers during their trial.

One of these people was none other than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee, or
Mr.
Lan Lee, as the case may be, isn't a college dean. He isn't a
member of
a California School Board. He is now head of the U.S. Justice
Department's Civil Rights Division. O.K., so who was the other
Panther
defender? Is this other notable Panther defender now a school board
member?
Is this other Panther apologist now an assistant college dean? No,
Neither!
The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law student at
Yale
University at the time. She is now known as "The smartest woman in
the
world." She is none other than the Democratic candidate for the U.S.

Senate from the State of New York----our lovely First Lady, the
incredible
Hillary Rodham Clinton.

And now; as Paul Harvey says: you know the rest of the story.

>>

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Msg. 272046  Posted by Somone on August 06, 2000 at 01:35:28:

In Reply to: pellet posted by 7 on August 06, 2000 at 00:35:59:

As those two pellets seem to be the universal pellet for you at Kmart and or Walmart buy a tin or two of each and test it out for yourself. Me I would use neither in that gun, those are mostly cheap pellets that work moderately in PCP and multi-pump guns. There is a lot of energy stored in the spring on the supermax and too heavy (or too light in this case) pellets that do not fit the barrel snugly will ruin that gun. As well there are at least two copperhead styles (wadcutter and semi-pointed) and at least three Gammo styles of pellet. Often times the style of the pellet is as important as the brand in assesing performance, beit accuracy, penetration, or power.

Regards,
Someone
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Msg. 272045  Posted by Jeff on August 06, 2000 at 01:33:38:

In Reply to: Re: First air pistol purchase - Help! posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 01:22:47:

If you don't mind using CO2, buy a Crosman SSP250 and have Mac-1 put a longer barrel on it (15 inches), and his bolt and trigger mod. Mine cost me about $150 (excluding gun), including grooves for scope. Gun gets 550 (Premiers) to 575 (Hobbies)and groups 3-shots one hole at 30 feet from a rest. As Ron Robinson will tell you (author of Manic Compressive and jack/crow hunter), that's plenty for that game at reasonable distances (probably 40 yds).
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Msg. 272044  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 01:24:31:

In Reply to: Re: pellet posted by 7 on August 06, 2000 at 01:16:42:

I don't use them in the SM-1000. I use Marksman (Beeman) FTS's. RB
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Msg. 272043  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 01:23:42:

In Reply to: Re: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 00:29:45:

ok :) it was some wet air out there
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Msg. 272042  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 01:22:47:

In Reply to: First air pistol purchase - Help! posted by Jack C on August 06, 2000 at 00:45:34:

That's a tall order for an air pistol. I'm not saying it can't be done, but you're going to spend a lot more money than you want to to get that kind of performance.
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Msg. 272041  Posted by Steve B. on August 06, 2000 at 01:21:44:

In Reply to: Tyrolean stocks!!!! posted by Doug Law on August 05, 2000 at 21:51:38:

Doug: I love'm on single shot falling block type shutzens with the hooked butt plates and curly trigger guards (wood or metal). And don't forget those bizzare key wrench sight screws - cool. The guns were built to fit their owners. Even so a guy can still curl up in those stocks and take a nap.

Don't take me wrong here (I already said I like 'em), but on air guns (where people are already belly-aching about weight) they kind of come across as Gothic Posers. They can't possibly fit the owner so at best they are a mass produced compromise. On a target gun whats the point? I though thats why they went to adjustable everything to beat the custom fit. On a sporting gun well, good luck in the weight department.

If they were done right they might not be too heavy but guys seem to be afraid of rasp and chisels work. They think they're turnkey, prefering to just sand and finish instead.

'ole grumpy fuddy duddy me - Steve B.
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Msg. 272040  Posted by Someone on August 06, 2000 at 01:20:35:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

I would suggest that you refrain from trying to "silence" any type of airweapon (PCP, spring, Co2 or otherwise). If you must continue on the path that will lead you to some federal level problems, at least have the sense not to involve people here or make this site a target of a exisiting federal investigation on illegal AOW or class II/III violations.
As well I would suggest that you give up BB wars and get a paintball gun and the proper protective gear. All the airgun community needs is some kid or adult getting maimed or killed with an airweapon. Makes for great press for the antigunners and may ruin a sport most of us hold dear, airgunning that is and not "BB wars"

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Msg. 272039  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 01:19:05:

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Msg. 272038  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 01:16:45:

In Reply to: pellet posted by 7 on August 06, 2000 at 00:35:59:

7, i know you asked this before..wouldnt try either my self ..that said try to get a sample pack from straightshooter or airguns express and see what pellet works better in the gun id try cp lites or Heavys as a first pellet in 177 or fts pellets..willeys kodiak dislikes them.tooo tight
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Msg. 272037  Posted by 7 on August 06, 2000 at 01:16:42:

In Reply to: Re: pellet posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 01:15:43:

oh...what groups did they produce on your gun?
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Msg. 272036  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 01:15:43:

In Reply to: Re: pellet posted by 7 on August 06, 2000 at 00:44:11:

Groups will depend on you and your gun. Not every barrel is the same. Better pellets often produce better groups (but not always). RB
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Msg. 272035  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 01:09:06:

In Reply to: First air pistol purchase - Help! posted by Jack C on August 06, 2000 at 00:45:34:

thats big game hunting in airguns..i think the only pistol out the could do jacks, and crow would be a falcon pistol by airguns-R-us but it will cost $800+ for it as its a PCP pistol..no spring pistol can take those as of yet if you look on the mian page at resources scroll down till you find airguns-r-us and take a look at the pistols they have..btw simple isnt in PCP they need lots O stuff ..well extra stuff anyway like pump or a filled air tank & hoses
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Msg. 272034  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 06, 2000 at 01:08:51:

In Reply to: DUMB QUESTION posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 21:35:11:

Cody, just ignore anyone who gets obnoxious or insulting with you. They obviously won't be of any help to you and answering back to them only encourages more. The only dumb question is the one you don't ask for fear of looking dumb. Do some more research at the airgun sales web pages to get the specifics on the airguns that you are interested in, then ask questions based on what you have learned. If possible, see if someone nearby has one of those airguns & will let you shoot it to try it out. Have fun!
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Msg. 272033  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 01:00:49:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun silencers posted by john on August 06, 2000 at 00:42:26:

That message was meant for the original poster, if you ain't him, please disregard.
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Msg. 272032  Posted by Lee Chsatant on August 06, 2000 at 00:58:19:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal. airgun posted by Cody Dotter+ on August 05, 2000 at 18:43:04:

Cody, you can shoot a rabbit or squirrel with a heart/lung chest or shoulder shot using a .22 cal. 48, but anything much bigger ('possum, coon, etc) needs to be hit in the brain for a kill. Aim at a spot between the eye & ear with a domed pellet in order to penetrate the skull & hit the brain. Remember, just shooting them in the "head" could result in damage to the snout or jaw and a slow death. You have to actually penetrate & damage the brain to drop the larger animals cleanly. I really wouldn't try anything larger than a coon, and then only at fairly close range - 20 to 25 yards at max. Have a good one!
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Msg. 272031  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 00:57:57:

In Reply to: DUMB QUESTION posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 21:35:11:

Cody, there has been people in the past, here in AGL. that, remind me of the (Kids in the Hall) comedy skit team. and the skit about the nice but annoying boy that would. asked, and ask and ask about stuff.. plus he'd have these outlandish storys, he swore were true ..now, that said.
you are not even close to that kid..but many basic qustions can be answered by reading the airgun tips& tricks, and faq\fact page. in both AG & AGL their is a section, that has old posts in a database. as does many others like striaghtshooter.(i think straightshooter does anyway).in the long run, it doesnt matter if we get short with you. it doesnt matter. as we dont live in your Home. and you dont need to put up with what we feel. you may fel its arogants ..when its only that we've been doing this for a long time..now that said. please, take all of this with the ut most respect..
as this reply was given

now for the gun..for a first gun a real powerful gun may turn you off fast.
weight of the gun, is a factor. and how good a shot you are.. "springers are a whole different animal" the boink can make you nuts.if you havnt figured the gun out.
if its a first gun. a lighter gun, might give a better feel in the beginning..there are many guns from 6-9 lbs ..the 48 may work for you fine, but you should consider a BSA ss or R9 or, some other gun that wont leave a bad taste in your mouth..
my first springer was a Crosman brake barrel..mod 11** (not sure of the full mod#.).i took a bluejay farther then i thought i could with open sights on it..shocked the [Blank] out of me.;).
BTW many guns if tuned can give much less twang & some extra power
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Msg. 272030  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 00:53:13:

In Reply to: By the way, Can I get MORE power from my Career 9mm? posted by Jon G on August 05, 2000 at 19:00:24:

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Msg. 272029  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 00:48:05:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun silencers posted by john on August 06, 2000 at 00:42:26:

Yeah, well, jimmyjoe57@email.com, how hard do you think it would be for me to figure out your address and pay you a visit if I were a law enforcement officer? In this day and age where children are suspended from elementary school for pointing their fingers and saying bang, how hard do you think it would be for me to get a warrant to search your house, using your post as evidence? I'll bet you haven't thought how you would explain that one to your parents...
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Msg. 272028  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 06, 2000 at 00:47:30:

In Reply to: .22 cal. airgun posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 16:08:34:

Cody, a 48 in .22 is a very powerful airgun. Using RWS Super H-Points (my preferred gray squirrel pellet out to a max of 40 yards) in my GSI tuned 48, I get 14.6 FPE & 764.4 fps at the muzzle. Because of the heavy recoil & spring vibration, a stock 48 in .22 can be difficult to learn how to shoot well. You have to hold the rifle exactly the same way with the same grip pressure & your cheek in the same place & pressure every time to duplicate your shots. It just takes a lot of practice, so don't be disappointed if your sights "need adjusting" every day - it's just very minor changes in your grip & follow through. Just keep practicing & don't expect to be a dead shot with it in a few days - it won't happen. The Super Sport is a good airgun, but not in the same class as the 48 when it comes to power. Then again, it is easier to learn how to shoot. Placement of your shot is everything when hunting with airguns - master the airgun you decide on until you can hit the target with the first shot after you pick up the gun. Then you can think about hunting with it. Hope this helps out. Have a good one!
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Msg. 272027  Posted by Jack C on August 06, 2000 at 00:45:34:

I've been looking for an air pistol (with scope preferably) - powerful enough for field shooting (jackrabbits and crows mainly). I didn't realize there were so may to chose from and I'm lost at this point! A few hundred bucks not a problem for something reliable and simple to operate. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Any ideas on reputable dealers would also be appreciated. Thanks much.
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Msg. 272026  Posted by 7 on August 06, 2000 at 00:44:11:

In Reply to: Re: pellet posted by DP on August 06, 2000 at 00:41:25:

which kind on the copperhead? and what groups do they produce at 15-20+ yds? thanks.
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Msg. 272025  Posted by Butch on August 06, 2000 at 00:43:48:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

Were a helmet or is it too late!!!
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Msg. 272024  Posted by MP on August 06, 2000 at 00:42:47:

In Reply to: Re: Peep Sights posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 00:18:14:

Ok...sounds good. Where can I find those?


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Msg. 272023  Posted by MP on August 06, 2000 at 00:42:41:

In Reply to: Re: Peep Sights posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 00:18:14:

Ok...sounds good. Where can I find those?


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Msg. 272021  Posted by john on August 06, 2000 at 00:42:26:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

BB gun wars are pretty dangerous, and silencers are *VERY* Illegal.
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Msg. 272019  Posted by DP on August 06, 2000 at 00:41:25:

In Reply to: pellet posted by 7 on August 06, 2000 at 00:35:59:

Copperhead. They are heavier and can be found at most dept. stores
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Msg. 272018  Posted by MonV on August 06, 2000 at 00:40:21:

In Reply to: Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer posted by Sammy on August 04, 2000 at 15:38:34:

My Gamo 440 does 710-715 fps with 14.6 grain Marksman FTS pellets and 700-705 fps with 14.7 grain Eley Wasps. Thats 16 foot pounds!

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Msg. 272017  Posted by Dave on August 06, 2000 at 00:38:58:

In Reply to: Re: Homemade Pellet trap posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 00:32:34:

Duct seal!Thanks! I could not remember what it was called.:)
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Msg. 272016  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 00:38:43:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

If you really want to do something illegal like this, research it yourself, build it yourself, and keep it to yourself. If you have any brains and access to the web, you can find a lot of information regarding this and other illegal activities. Don't post questions referring to illegal items and illegal activities on this forum. Why should you make this forum a target for someone with a good computer and a keyword search?
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Msg. 272015  Posted by 7 on August 06, 2000 at 00:35:59:

which pellets would be best for the super max, the gamo or the copperhead pellets? either one or the other on those, don't throw in another brand.
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Msg. 272014  Posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 00:32:34:

In Reply to: Homemade Pellet trap posted by Dave on August 06, 2000 at 00:26:39:

Yes, but nothing is quite as good. If you are willing to put up with more maintenance and less stopping ability, you can use modeling clay. You should wrap it in plastic once you get it into the rough shape you want.

The question is, why would you want to do this. All of the alternative materials are inferior and cost about the same. Just go to Home Depot or Lowe's and ask for Electrical Duct Seal. They'll probably tell you that they don't have it, but if you look for it you'll find it. It's generally about $2 per pound.
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Msg. 272013  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 00:29:45:

In Reply to: Re: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by M Boyle on August 05, 2000 at 23:56:46:

MB: Hot air is thinner than cold air. Humid air contains more water 'droplets" per cubic measure than dry air. Hence, the air feels "thick" when it's humid. RB
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Msg. 272012  Posted by Dave on August 06, 2000 at 00:26:39:

Is there any other substance than bulistic putty to line a pellet trap with?
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Msg. 272011  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 00:26:27:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

BBgun wars? You crazy? RB
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Msg. 272010  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 00:23:52:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

They are illegal. RB
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Msg. 272009  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 00:22:58:

In Reply to: Airgun silencers posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

john, as its illegal, in many states. and iffy in others. some better 3D camo and correct hiding technque, will help more ..

sound=fast moveing air ..slow it down & redirrect it and you get lass sound ..are you baffled? ;) just a tease. Brigade quartermaster sells a tape on army camo technque & Special forces RECON camo and includes howto make a Ghillie
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Msg. 272008  Posted by RBest on August 06, 2000 at 00:18:14:

In Reply to: Peep Sights posted by MP on August 06, 2000 at 00:08:44:

No drilling or tapping. The Beeman sights are made by Williams. Try the Williams FP-AG or the Williams FP-GR. Both should work. RB
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Msg. 272007  Posted by M Boyle on August 06, 2000 at 00:14:20:

In Reply to: Peep Sights posted by MP on August 06, 2000 at 00:08:44:

GSI=a kit sild by james Maccari its for many rifles ..Beeman sells a peep sight that fits on the dove tail..off hand i forget the model name that they retaged i from
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Msg. 272006  Posted by MP on August 06, 2000 at 00:08:44:

Does the Super Max need to be drilled and tapped for a peep sight? Where can I get a peep sight? And what is a GSI Kit? Thanks.
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Msg. 272005  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 06, 2000 at 00:07:18:

In Reply to: Give him a break! posted by C Z on August 05, 2000 at 22:11:33:

I also agree with CZ.
The guy was just trying to ask a simple question, but instead got attacked.

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Msg. 272004  Posted by John on August 05, 2000 at 23:57:01:

Does anyone have a recipe for a home made air gun (rifle or pistol) muffler/silencer? I participate in BB wars and would like an edge. Any help is appreciated
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Msg. 272003  Posted by M Boyle on August 05, 2000 at 23:56:46:

In Reply to: Re: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 23:25:33:

air thinner? hmm with air was so think you could cut it..but youd come up with a rusty knive
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Msg. 272002  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 23:54:11:

In Reply to: Thin lubes, gotta be...quick question about that... posted by Willey M on August 05, 2000 at 23:40:42:

Yup- barrel up. RB
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Msg. 272000  Posted by Willey M. on August 05, 2000 at 23:48:07:

In Reply to: Lovin' da P-70 (FT prepped) posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:35:53:

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Msg. 271999  Posted by Mark Lisowski on August 05, 2000 at 23:41:56:

In Reply to: Lovin' da P-70 (FT prepped) posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:35:53:

So Russ, are you going to be able to make the FT match
at Westfield on 8/20. Maybe you can use the P70.
We've missed seeing you at the matches.

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Msg. 271998  Posted by Willey M on August 05, 2000 at 23:40:42:

In Reply to: Re: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 23:25:33:

That gun gets almost too hot to touch. How do you store your guns after real hot shooting? Barrel up?...Thanks
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Msg. 271997  Posted by dscott on August 05, 2000 at 23:39:53:

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Msg. 271996  Posted by Tea Dumper on August 05, 2000 at 23:37:59:

In Reply to: another wake -up call posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

Long ago, when California was still under Mexican control, some very famous early Californians, fed up with the raids of a famous hoodlum, tracked him down and eliminated him. The then government threatened all sorts of things, but these people were just too powerful. The governor was recalled to Mexico, etc.

The point is that this all current nonsense is politics. Eliminating our ability to defend ourselves is politics, politics of fear that the people can actually defend their rights rather than just complain about them.

Until something bad happens to enough people, things WILL continue to degrade.

I have some advice: (1) Be Prepared. (2) Have a plan for "What if". (3) Find or create some heavyweight political and media help. (4) Gather like minded people, find out who "enemies" are and vote them out of office.

One thing I am pretty sure of is that Americans are different from anyone else. If it gets bad enough, heads will roll and life will return to normal. Question is, why wait for it to get that bad?

Get the word out!

Thanks for more ammo Russ.
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Msg. 271995  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 23:30:40:

In Reply to: Re: Russ best can I talk to you through eMail posted by Willey M on August 05, 2000 at 23:28:13:

Hey! Now THAT's an idea! I think I need an alternator......and a tranny.... RB
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Msg. 271994  Posted by Willey M on August 05, 2000 at 23:28:13:

In Reply to: Re: Russ best can I talk to you through eMail posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 22:48:19:

Russ, just think. This guy might work for General Motors. He could smuggle spare Pontiac parts in his lunch box. You could fix the deerslayer "One piece at a time!"...Willey
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Msg. 271993  Posted by MarkD on August 05, 2000 at 23:26:10:

In Reply to: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Rich on August 05, 2000 at 20:15:02:

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Msg. 271992  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 23:25:33:

In Reply to: 100 degrees, 100%R.H. - Co2 was great - Springers slow??? posted by Willey M on August 05, 2000 at 23:16:34:

Bill: I've also recorded some lower velocities in springers when it's real hot outside. I don't know if it's because the lubes are thinned out or whether hot air is thinner. RB
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Msg. 271991  Posted by Joe on August 05, 2000 at 23:18:34:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250 posted by JoshieCK on August 01, 2000 at 00:08:36:

I have a 2250 and it works great, I use it to hunt rats. With Beeman Silver Stings It is a effect killing machine. Hasn't jammed or had a problem. Good luck.

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Msg. 271990  Posted by Willey M on August 05, 2000 at 23:16:34:

I dragged Mike Boyle out to shoot today. This morning it was mild and windy. By 2:30, when we started shooting it was 99 and full humid! After some tack driving with Mike's FWB65 we chronied all the guns we had. First chronied the Quackenbush 2540 - 460fps with Diana 21 grain mags. Stock 2250 - 550 with CP's. Now springers. Mikes P1 with lubed FTS - low 400's as opposed to 500+ last shooting. Kodiak .22 with CP's - 860fps, Down 20-50fps from last chrony. Mike's FWB 65 pistol with lubed FTS shot low 400's as opposed to established speed for this gun/pellet combo of 500+.

Everybody loves shooting Co2 at good temps but does extreme heat and sun make noticeable velocity drops due to expanded air molecules, spring elasticity or vodoo? Crap. I'm asking some newbie question I shoulda checked the archives for!...Willey M
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Msg. 271989  Posted by MarkD on August 05, 2000 at 23:15:15:

In Reply to: DUMB QUESTION posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 21:35:11:

Cody I too have the 48 in .22cal and I can attest that it is a heavy gun as power goes it shoots cp at 780fps and "if" you do "everything right" you will get a nice group. They are nice guns.
I have the JM spring kit in mine it helped a bunch I also did some work on the trigger .
It is my understanding that the super sport is a real nice shooter easy to shoot and has a better trigger I really think you should give some consideration to it.
Furthermore do not get sucked up in the power craze it is not all that it is cracked up to be. Precision comes to mind when talking airgun hunting if you can not put the pellet where it belongs, a few more ft lbs will not make up for a bad hit! Remember the rule "Close only counts in hand grenades and horeshoes"
I do hope this helps
MarkD

PS Curently I have been using my Career at 20ft lbs instead of 60 ft lbs
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Msg. 271988  Posted by Dave L on August 05, 2000 at 22:51:24:

In Reply to: Give him a break! posted by C Z on August 05, 2000 at 22:11:33:

I have to agree with CZ. Some of you were quite prejudiced with the young fella. He didn't deserve to be treated like that. IMHO
Dave
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Msg. 271987  Posted by Andrew Leung on August 05, 2000 at 22:49:43:

In Reply to: Re: Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer posted by LarryH on August 04, 2000 at 16:08:28:

easiest way to drop weight is getting a skeletonized stock..definitely a 2lb advantage...second, shorter barrel.
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Msg. 271986  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 22:48:19:

In Reply to: Russ best can I talk to you through eMail posted by Mike Gohsman on August 05, 2000 at 22:38:38:

Mark: no problem. Just click on my blue name. RB
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Msg. 271985  Posted by crmnal on August 05, 2000 at 22:41:51:

Greetings to all,
Can anyone shed any light on the availability of the Russian made Yunker AK47 BB gun or where to look for them. Any information at all would br greatly appreciated!
Many thanks in advance,
Scott Selman
aka crmnal
PS Great forum, very informative.
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Msg. 271984  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 22:40:45:

In Reply to: Marksman 0040 posted by Dr.J. on August 05, 2000 at 21:33:22:

Dr.J: I trust you are interested because of the price. IMO- it's not a bad deal. I got one myself not too long ago. It does not have the rekord trigger, nor is the trigger adjustable, But it's a good shooter. Typical HW quality inside and out with a simpler, no frills stock. Mine shoots 7.9 Premiers bang on 700 fps consistently. Lighter pellets like Silver Bears and Wasps should beat 750 fps. A far better deal than a Gamo 440 or a GS 700. RB
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Msg. 271983  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 05, 2000 at 22:39:16:

In Reply to: ANYBODY OWN ANY BEEMAN R1, HW80? posted by GT on August 05, 2000 at 17:05:13:

http://www.airgunletter.net

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Msg. 271982  Posted by Mike Gohsman on August 05, 2000 at 22:38:38:

I've been watching your posts for a couple of months and respect your views and opinions.
please email me if you please. "41 years old work for one ofthe big three"
MGohsman@aol.com
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Msg. 271981  Posted by Lew on August 05, 2000 at 22:35:54:

In Reply to: Crosman Premiers(NEW) posted by Pat on August 05, 2000 at 22:19:04:

Which store has them? I have been trying to get them for over a month, but they said the CP-s were on order.
That was the Markham store. I guess I will call them Monday again. Thanks.

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Msg. 271979  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 22:34:04:

In Reply to: BSA Goldstar Questions posted by dscott on August 05, 2000 at 21:37:47:

DS: the Goldstar will shoot 8 gr pellets at around 900 fps. Exact speed depends on the pellet. Lighter ones will be faster, heavier=slower. It's a well made gun and is very accurate. The gas ram is a conversion kit made by Theoben and is aftermarket (done by Airgunwerks). A spring tune is also available, but the ram really works well in this gun. RB
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Msg. 271978  Posted by bcd on August 05, 2000 at 22:25:28:

In Reply to: offhand springer shooters -- accuracy poll... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:23:37:

At 10 to 15 yards, offhand with iron sights on an
R9, I can MAYBE get 5 shots in a row in the black
(10 meter air rifle bull). Usually I catch a
flyer or two. Weave? Yah, you betcha. My excuse
is age, what's yours? :-)

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Msg. 271977  Posted by John Sa. on August 05, 2000 at 22:23:51:

In Reply to: British hunting dilemma posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 19:39:51:

Killing things with your bare hands is a bummer and bound to lead to stress. Tell him to use the gun next time.
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Msg. 271976  Posted by cvarcher on August 05, 2000 at 22:20:40:

I seemed to recall reading this a while ago, can the person who posted the article please post it back for me,I wanted my father to read it.
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Msg. 271975  Posted by Pat on August 05, 2000 at 22:19:04:

In Reply to: Also look in to: http://www.lebaron.ca Get their Gun Catalogue posted by Lew on August 05, 2000 at 21:28:14:

Lebaron now has Crosman Premiers in stock in the following pellets.cal 177 10.5 grain domed $5.72,cal 177 7.9 grain domed $5.27,cal 20 14.3 grain domed $6.09,cal 22 14.3 grain domed $6.09 and cal 177 7.9 grain match grade $5.27. 250 pellets per tin.
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Msg. 271974  Posted by Andrew Leung on August 05, 2000 at 22:18:05:

In Reply to: Re: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Eric on August 05, 2000 at 20:36:45:

Unless modified...the lever on the newer Sheridans can't take sustained 8+ pumps...though to be honest, the purpose I see for the Steroid treatment is so you can pump LESS and still get decent power.
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Msg. 271973  Posted by John Sa. on August 05, 2000 at 22:17:15:

In Reply to: ANYBODY OWN ANY BEEMAN R1, HW80? posted by GT on August 05, 2000 at 17:05:13:

With the gas ram already installed and warranted from the factory. And, why not undo your caps lock key?
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Msg. 271972  Posted by Chavez on August 05, 2000 at 22:15:31:

In Reply to: Are all Crosman 600's 22 caliber, and what are they worth? Thanks nt posted by JimC on August 05, 2000 at 21:29:01:


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Msg. 271971  Posted by John Sa. on August 05, 2000 at 22:15:10:

In Reply to: Is the Gamo R-77 any good? posted by Chris on August 05, 2000 at 18:50:30:

A regular poster here, Dave Monck has a few things to say about the Gamo R-77 based on his experience with one he owns. I won't speak for him, but let's just say it's nothing good.

I wouldn't say anything, but he's away for the weekend.
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Msg. 271970  Posted by C Z on August 05, 2000 at 22:11:33:

Some of you guys out there are being pretty harsh to some of the newbies lately.
A young fellow, posted a question asking which gun is more powerful, and although a large majority of repliers gave good information to him, a few of you started taking personal snipes at him.
He is new to airgunning, and was just asking a simple question - so it would be cool if everyone was nice to him.
Didn't you all read the airgunletter forum rules that were posted just a while back.

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Msg. 271969  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 05, 2000 at 22:06:19:

In Reply to: Target Position posted by S Stevens on August 05, 2000 at 16:29:52:

The targest are usually at eye level (for Match shooting).

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Msg. 271968  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 05, 2000 at 22:04:37:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal. airgun posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 20:19:01:

Just remember that with airguns, shot placement is a must.
Have a look at some of the hunting pages, for shot placement diagrams, so you'll be able to kill you game really well.

Chris
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Msg. 271967  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 05, 2000 at 21:57:12:

In Reply to: Which is more powerful... posted by Waddle_TheFuzzyDuck on August 05, 2000 at 19:30:41:

Not sure about your question (well - I am, I just would rather not comment - I'm sure someone else can give better advice), but the Sportsman is currently not being produced.
Daystate is about to start producing the new version of it (the MkIII), so they've stopped production for a while.
It'll be released sometime early next year (prob. February).

Chris
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Msg. 271966  Posted by Doug Law on August 05, 2000 at 21:51:38:

Does anyone have a spare tyrolean stock for a HW55?

I got lucky at Little Rock and bought an original FWB 300 S tyrolean stock which I installed on my 300S.

I love tyrolean stocks, how about it guys and gals?

Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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Msg. 271965  Posted by Doug Law on August 05, 2000 at 21:49:00:

In Reply to: Marksman 0040 posted by Dr.J. on August 05, 2000 at 21:33:22:

Try Pyramid arms for a HW 50. I have a non Beeman HW50SE with the rekord trigger, only the cheaper mark II came with the cheaper "Perfect" trigger. I would consider a 50MK II a super buy for that price, but try Pyramid arms they even have brand new HW55's. Yes I have a HW55MM which I love.
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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Msg. 271964  Posted by R J K on August 05, 2000 at 21:46:59:

In Reply to: DUMB QUESTION posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 21:35:11:

Cody I have the mdl 48 in 22cal, The gun weigh,s about 10lbs . And when you put on a scope the weight goes up to about 12lbs. The gun is powerful and very accurate , when hunting it gets heavy after about 20 minutes. how big are you? I,am 6 ft 225 I also have the s.s. in 177 and its the one I grab for most jobs , so if you are up toit get the 48 . But if you want my opiniom get the s.s. in 22 , it will take out most small game and won,t break your back HTH
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Msg. 271963  Posted by Doug Law on August 05, 2000 at 21:45:52:

As I recentlyt bought a very minty Diana 65 (made in 73) I thought I would share some of my new info with Diana fans.
My 65 weighs 9 pounds 4 ounces when I rememove the barrel sleeve with the peep sight on. The sleeve weihs one pound 5 ounces. It has the plastic trigger guard and trigger lever common to those recoiless Diana match guns.

I wish all new air rifles had a blued finish as nice as my 65receiver has!!!!

My Air Arms TX 200 MK I with out scope weighs eight pounds one ounce for comparison.

I hope that intersts some closet diana fans out there!!!

Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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Msg. 271962  Posted by dscott on August 05, 2000 at 21:37:47:

I am thinking about getting the BSA Goldstar in .177 for a general purpose rifle. Will probably use it primarily for general pest control within 50yds and occassional Field Target for a young teen. What kind of accuracy and velocity can I expect to get from this rifle? Are there tunes that can improve both velocity and accuracy? Does this rifle come with a gas ram or is that an add-on? Thanks!
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Msg. 271961  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 21:35:11:

Hey, want to know why I ask such dumb questions?
Because I don't know much about it (airgunning).
All I do is shoot my airgun. I'm tryiing to learn
more about the sport on this forum. All I know is I
want a POWERFUL airgun. I'm considering the RWS
Model 48 in .22 cal. It's powerful people say.
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Msg. 271960  Posted by Dave L on August 05, 2000 at 21:34:14:

In Reply to: Re: Russ...it's a shame what you're doing..... posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 21:28:01:


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Msg. 271959  Posted by Dr.J. on August 05, 2000 at 21:33:22:

I noticed that AG Express is closing out the Marksman 0040 for $135. They say it is "like the Beeman HW50" and is rated at 700 - 720 FPS. I found that Weihrauch makes a HW50MkII but I don't see the HW50 anywhere else. Is this 0040 a real good buy? Also, does anyone have experience with the Weaver 2.5 - 7 Rimfire/Airgun scope? Thanks. Dr.J.
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Msg. 271958  Posted by cvarcher on August 05, 2000 at 21:31:34:

In Reply to: Re: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 20:20:31:

Well the company advertises 8 pumps as maximum yielding 650fps with 14.3 gr B/S Diablos and about 615fps with the old heavier cylindericals.You can go to ten pumps now and then -no problem and that gives you 688fps (15FTLBS) with 14.3 gr pellets.I have taken a stock blue streak up to 13 pumps and it did not airlock, but I could of had a Gem .Above 8 or 9 pumps though there is a residual of air that did not get exausted, so you need to cock the bolt and press the trigger again to release it.
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Msg. 271957  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 05, 2000 at 21:29:52:

In Reply to: Re: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 20:20:42:



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Msg. 271956  Posted by JimC on August 05, 2000 at 21:29:01:

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Msg. 271955  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 21:28:58:

In Reply to: HN Field Target Tropy Smooths posted by dscott on August 05, 2000 at 21:26:26:

I believe they run 8.7 grains. RB
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Msg. 271954  Posted by Lew on August 05, 2000 at 21:28:14:

In Reply to: International Imports in Toronto and ..... posted by TCooper on August 05, 2000 at 20:27:43:

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Msg. 271953  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 21:28:01:

In Reply to: Russ...it's a shame what you're doing..... posted by Alex/Wi on August 05, 2000 at 16:18:57:

Alex: as far as I know, it is available. Tomorrow, I go to 50 yards with it- shooting some Necco Wafers I picked up. Fabulous airgun! RB
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Msg. 271952  Posted by dscott on August 05, 2000 at 21:26:26:

What is the weight of the .177 H&N FTT Smooths Heavy?
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Msg. 271951  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 21:24:35:

In Reply to: .22 cal. airgun posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 16:08:34:

.22 Kodiaks are too heavy for the 48. frequent use will probably shorten the life of the guns mainspring, due to piston bounce. Stick with pellets under 16 gr for .22 springers, unless the gun has a massive mainspring. The 48 does not. It's spring wire diameter is .128". Just like a TX or Supersport. RB
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Msg. 271948  Posted by ted on August 05, 2000 at 21:22:36:

In Reply to: COYPU????? posted by GMackeddie on August 05, 2000 at 10:36:56:

http://www.dcnr.state.al.us/agfd/seasons9900.html
http://www.fws.gov/laws/state/georgi.html

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Msg. 271947  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 21:21:28:

In Reply to: Bears in your Backyard ? posted by Gomer Pyle on August 05, 2000 at 21:12:43:

Any moron. Well most morons no you can shoot huge
animals with airguns like deer and bear? I have
a friend that thinks he can kill a squirrel with
a airgun that shoot about 300 FPS. I'M NO REDNECK!!!
I have neighbors. I don't live out in the woods.
I live in a rural area of P.A.
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Msg. 271946  Posted by Earl on August 05, 2000 at 21:20:22:

In Reply to: 707 and the A-Team springs............. posted by JEFF on August 05, 2000 at 20:31:31:

Jeff, you can install the springs, but the valve may not open. To work properly the reduced tension spring must be used with less pressure on the valve,via the reg. Weaker hammer spring means less pressure on the trigger sear, resulting in an improved pull. I have two setups and found them to be better than I expected. Ray and Hans are great to buy from because they will make it right if there are problems.
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Msg. 271945  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 05, 2000 at 21:19:11:

In Reply to: WOODCHUCKS...LAST TIME posted by matt sudol on August 05, 2000 at 21:00:31:

I got one two weekends ago with my BSA .22 airgun. They can be killed readily with an airgun but you have to actually hit the brain, not just the head. He made the mistake of looking the other way and I shot him thru the back of the head. Most shooters will not wait for the ideal shot and just wound them. Just because the chuck is close does not mean you should shoot him. Hold you fire until the shot can be placed thru the brain. If the chuck is facing you your odds are poor, sideways is better, back of head is even better. Forget about stalking up to a chuck that is facing you, your shot is nearly impossible and he will spot you and hightail away. Use a car, shed, or house as a blind and be patient.
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Msg. 271944  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 21:14:44:

In Reply to: Russ, pellet selection for average airgunner? posted by Happy Gardener on August 05, 2000 at 20:25:01:

KG: it's always fun to do a little pellet testing. Sometimes you get surprised. As a general rule, domes work out the best for all around shooting, but some HP's and wadcutters can surprise you. One such surprise for me was how well my BSA Supersport shoots with RWS Hobbies. Another was how well my .22 PE shoots with BSA Excaliburs. They don't group quite as well as Premiers, but they aren't bad, and provide much better expansion in game, even though they are domes. Even my Superstar likes'em, and it's usually the hunting pellet of choice with the Superstar. No bushytail ever runs after being hit with one of these.
Another thing I learned is that (again-generally), pointed pellets don't live up to their hype. They rarely penetrate any better, and they certainly don't group as well as domes in 98% of my airguns. If a shooter believes he's at an advantage when using a pointed pellet, I'll wager it's because he has little experience testing other types. My one exception is my FWB124, which seems do do fairly well with Silver Jets, but they still aren't the guns' favorite pellet. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 271943  Posted by Gomer Pyle on August 05, 2000 at 21:12:43:

In Reply to: Re: Why are you so fascinated with shooting large animals? posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 20:44:28:

You are obviously bright enough to realise that
an airgun pellet won't kill a bear...even if you
were to shoot it in the but-tocks.
This is a good start.

Do you play the banjo ?
Is your mom your sister as well ?
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Msg. 271942  Posted by willy on August 05, 2000 at 21:09:55:

In Reply to: Whats The Pro-Elite " Hunter " ? posted by Don on August 05, 2000 at 06:28:11:

Wood like to no about the Hunter to i think its a rumor? Willy.
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Msg. 271941  Posted by matt sudol on August 05, 2000 at 21:00:31:

I have come to the conclusion that you must use a .22 lr or magnum to take one of these. I had one under my shed and absorbed a .177 pellet. 2 days later it was out again and took a 40 grain .22 magnum to the upper body. It flopped still so I hit it twice more. Airguns will just wound it and you will have to dig it out! Do yourself and neighbors a big favor and use a powder gun. P.S- No .22 shorts!!!!
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Msg. 271940  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 05, 2000 at 20:59:15:

In Reply to: another wake -up call posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

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Msg. 271938  Posted by Iqbal on August 05, 2000 at 20:52:09:

I have as you have already a BSA superstar Carbine. I'm just trying to find out what options are therer for me to Customize my gun.
Many Thanks,
Iqbal
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Msg. 271937  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 20:44:28:

In Reply to: Why are you so fascinated with shooting large animals? posted by Eric on August 05, 2000 at 20:32:46:

Your kinda wrong Erik. :-) I live in the country.
I just want to have the ability to take large game.
I will mostly shoot birds and the some squirrel.
I don't really read alot of magizines on hunting.
I have a 250 Savage Carbine.he (my dad) take me hunting.
I will hunt in my yard and in the woods. I got my
gun for free. My Dad won it for me. I see lots
of animals in my backyard. Like bears, mice,
rabbits, birds, turkey, deer, and squirrels. I will
not shoot animals like deer bears, etc. because they
are way too big for an airgun. I just want a good
high power airgun.

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Msg. 271936  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 05, 2000 at 20:39:01:

Hope this is helpful to the .177 Super Star (& other air rifle) owners out there. This is a stock air rifle, no tune, about 500 rounds through it. Enjoy!

.177 BSA Super Star Chronograph Data
Lee Chastant


The following data was gathered at 85 degrees, 80% RH, 5' > sea level. The chronograph used was a Beta model Shooting Chrony. Velocities were obtained with the muzzle approximately 9 inches from the chronograph. Pellet weights are from the label on the Straight Shooter .177 pellet variety pack. Foot-pound data was calculated by using the software at Brad Troyer's web site. Only muzzle values are presented. I tested 12 different pellets, and have arranged the data by pellet type, with the pellets ranked within each group from highest average energy to lowest. Wad cutters were not addressed because I don't like 'em!! Oddly enough, my Super Star isn't real fond of them either.


Domed Pellets


Beeman FTS, 8.9 gr. High = 852.4 fps, 14.36 foot pounds
Low = 840.5 fps, 13.96 foot pounds
Avg. = 848.6 fps, 14.23 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 3.46

Beeman Bear Cub, 8.09 gr. High = 890.5 fps, 14.25 foot pounds
Low = 875.0 fps, 13.76 foot pounds
Avg. = 881.0 fps, 13.95 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 5.29

RWS Super Dome, 8.3 gr. High = 875.8 fps, 14.14 foot pounds
Low = 862.8 fps, 13.72 foot pounds
Avg. = 868.0 fps, 13.89 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 4.12

BSA Excalibur, 7.3 gr. High = 927.9 fps, 13.95 foot pounds
Low = 906.1 fps, 13.31 foot pounds
Avg. = 917.1 fps, 13.64 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 6.48

Crosman Premier, 7.9 gr. High = 880.7 fps, 13.61 foot pounds
Low = 859.2 fps, 12.95 foot pounds
Avg. = 872.6 fps, 13.36 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 7.14

Benjamin - Sheridan Diablo, 7.9 gr. High = 896.3 fps, 14.09 foot pounds
Low = 858.6 fps, 12.93 foot pounds
Avg. = 872.3 fps, 13.35 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 10.39

Beeman Ram Jet, 9.8 gr. High = 778.2 fps, 13.18 foot pounds
Low = 760.6 fps, 12.59 foot pounds
Avg. = 772.3 fps, 12.98 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 5.47


Hollow Points


Beeman Crow Magnum, 8.8 gr. High = 866.9 fps, 14.69 foot pounds
Low = 855.1 fps, 14.29 foot pounds
Avg. = 862.0 fps, 14.52 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 4.00

RWS Super H-Point, 7.4 gr. High = 925.0 fps, 14.06 foot pounds
Low = 909.3 fps, 13.59 foot pounds
Avg. = 915.8 fps, 13.78 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 5.83

Beeman Silver Bear, 7.1 gr. High = 928.9 fps, 13.61 foot pounds
Low = 917.1 fps, 13.26 foot pounds
Avg. = 923.3 fps, 13.44 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 3.74


Pointed Pellets


Beeman Silver Sting, 8.61 gr. High = 857.5 fps, 14.06 foot pounds
Low = 846.8 fps, 13.71 foot pounds
Avg. = 853.4 fps, 13.93 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 3.60

Beeman Silver Jet, 8.39 gr. High = 861.8 fps, 13.84 foot pounds
Low = 851.0 fps, 13.49 foot pounds
Avg. = 855.7 fps, 13.64 foot pounds
Standard Deviation = 3.46

Ok, so maybe I'm a little anal-retentive… it's better than anal expulsive any day! Y'all have a good one!

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Msg. 271935  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 05, 2000 at 20:38:47:

In Reply to: offhand springer shooters -- accuracy poll... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:23:37:

I use a soda can hanging from a string a little under 200 ft away. By Sunday afternoon I can hit it 8 times out of ten with a Rifle. When I am on a roll I can do the same with my Daisy airpistol.
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Msg. 271934  Posted by Eric on August 05, 2000 at 20:36:45:

In Reply to: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Rich on August 05, 2000 at 20:15:02:

Did you buy secondhand?

8 pumps is what they advertised as max. With a steriod job, you can go up to 14 and near 900 fps with lighter pellets. Stock dans go mid to low 600 fps.
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Msg. 271933  Posted by TCooper on August 05, 2000 at 20:34:14:

In Reply to: Daisy 777 Target pistol? Opinions? Accuracy? nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 04, 2000 at 14:03:35:

I had a magazine test report on the 777 and accuracy was .10" at 10 meters. This is almost as good as the more expensive olympic guns that shoot .04" according to the ads.
I had a 717 and velocity was 360-390 depending on the pellet.
Todd
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Msg. 271932  Posted by Bob W. on August 05, 2000 at 20:33:35:

In Reply to: Re: Lovin' da P-70 (FT prepped) posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 05, 2000 at 15:51:01:

The original conversion of the P70 by Mance Etheridge used the stock FWB regulator, along with a reg chamber extension. There were some mods to the porting and a few other tweaks. These guns shot Premier 10.5's at around 790-800 fps. They were extremely accurate and had consistent velocities. Mine had a s.d. of 1.1 fps for about 40 shots. Unfortunately, the regulator began to fail, in that velocities became inconsistent and groups opened up. The gun was worked on by several of the PCP experts, with only nominal improvement. Eventually, I had Allen Z. do his conversion, which involved replacing the regulator along with some other mods. The gun now shoots around 865 fps and is still very accurate --- when Allen made the conversion, it was capable of a 20+ shot group of 1/4" at 50 yards. However, I'm much more aware of each shot than when I was shooting at 795 fps.

The only guns with side manomemters were the originals by Mance Etheridge, and these were on the reg extension chamber. None of the major conversions since his work have reg extension manometers. Also, only Ray Appeles,and perhaps a few folks who like his set-up, use a double regulated system.

FWB is supposed to be making a high powered version of the P70, but when it will be available is anybody's guess. It would be great if they designed a gun from the ground up, rather than trying to convert a match rifle. Many of us who still shoot the P70 would be most appreciative, and would probably be at the front of the ordering line.

Bob


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Msg. 271931  Posted by Eric on August 05, 2000 at 20:32:46:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal. airgun posted by Cody Dotter+ on August 05, 2000 at 18:43:04:

Let me guess- you're a young kid in the suburbs who really wants to hunt mid to large sized game, have read a lot of books/magazines, but parents won't let you buy a firearm and/or won't take you hunting. You are trying to make do with a pellet gun shooting local animals in your backyard. If this is the case, save your money. Buy yourself a nice firearm when you're older. You don't need a high power air rifle; you probably won't see many animals at all in your backyard. If you really want to airgun, buy a midsized, quiet shooter you can handle. Airguns can be powerful, but if you want to hunt deer and such, get a firearm.
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Msg. 271930  Posted by JEFF on August 05, 2000 at 20:31:31:

Guys have any of you installed the A-Team spring kit in the 707 without also having the A-Team regulator in the gun? Can I use the spring kit and not loose alot of volosity? Will the trigger pull get better? Is the spring kit worth the effort of installing it? What can I expect?
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Msg. 271929  Posted by TCooper on August 05, 2000 at 20:27:43:

In Reply to: where in canada posted by bajio on August 05, 2000 at 19:50:00:

INTERNATIONAL IMPORTS sell the RWS line of pellets at good prices.
R-10 at $6.95 (various diameters)
Meisterkugeln .177 at $5.50
Both of the above available in 7.7gr and 8.3gr.
Hobby .177 at $4.00
Meisterkugeln .22 at $9.00
Superpoint .22 at $9.00
Telephone 416-242-8540 and talk to Dominic.

You can try CIBLES CANADA TARGETS in Quebec for H&N pellets. Good prices.
H&N Finale Match $7.50
H&N Match $6.25
Both above available in rifle and pistol weights and 4.49 and 4.50 diameters.
Also
Diablo Sport at $4.20
Phone 819-778-2647 e-mail Cibles.Canada.Targets@sympatico.ca

HTH,
Todd
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Msg. 271928  Posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 20:26:55:

In Reply to: Poppet Valve posted by Mac1 on August 05, 2000 at 12:36:03:

So is the valve that collects each pump on a multi-stroke like the Benjamin called the check valve? JP
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Msg. 271927  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 05, 2000 at 20:25:01:

There are lots of designs and they are fun to try out. When it comes to buying lbs of pellets I am thinking domes like CP and B/S are my best bet. They will not cause premature spring failure, give flat trajectory and decent accuracy. Am I on the right track? On another subject, the reason you are not getting many BSA SS guns to tune is that the guns shoot pretty smooth right out of the box. If you came up with a steelgate type tune for the .22 cal you may get some takers. Thanks
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Msg. 271926  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 20:20:42:

In Reply to: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Rich on August 05, 2000 at 20:15:02:

It might be ten pumps max. The FPS might be 800
FPS.
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Msg. 271925  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 20:20:31:

In Reply to: How many pumps for blue streak?? posted by Rich on August 05, 2000 at 20:15:02:

It might be ten pumps max. The FPS might be 800.
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Msg. 271924  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 20:19:01:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal. airgun posted by JEFF on August 05, 2000 at 20:08:57:

Thanks guys!!! :-) Screw the Super Sport. I'm
getting a Model 48. Shooting turkeys, WOW! That
must be a powerful gun. I might like the weigh. It
will help me get used to heavier guns. I will be
getting my hunting lisence next year. So the
weight might be good to help me get used to my 250
Savage.
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Msg. 271923  Posted by Ted on August 05, 2000 at 20:18:40:

In Reply to: Re: another wake -up call posted by Mikael on August 05, 2000 at 18:53:05:

So they don't have to fear us, and we have to rely on them.
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Msg. 271922  Posted by Rich on August 05, 2000 at 20:15:02:

I just obtained a Sheridan blue streak. Does
anyone know what is the maximum number of pumps
for this gun. What is the fps?
Thanks, Rich
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Msg. 271921  Posted by Jeff on August 05, 2000 at 20:14:33:

In Reply to: Question on the Vortek gas ram for a 52 posted by Pel-It on August 05, 2000 at 15:11:07:

I had the gas ram by Vortek in my 48/.20. Soon after it started to leak. I sent it back and had Steve at Pomona Air tune the gun. I also installed a Vortek accuracy tamer. Forget the Vortek gas ram, go for a tune, save yourself the hassel of being disapointed.
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Msg. 271920  Posted by Happy Hardener on August 05, 2000 at 20:13:04:

In Reply to: Re: Any truth to spring set? - Yes but it is still interesting. posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:43:03:

It often takes me 15-20 minutes to work over a rabbit thicket. After that I fire the pellet into the ground and hike over to the next thicket. The spring issue is no big deal to me.
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Msg. 271919  Posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 20:11:28:

In Reply to: offhand springer shooters -- accuracy poll... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:23:37:

that 1/2" group at 20 yards was from bench--I hadn't been completely caffeinated when I posted that. JP
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Msg. 271918  Posted by daisy on August 05, 2000 at 20:10:09:

In Reply to: offhand springer shooters -- accuracy poll... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:23:37:

last week I was seeing what I could do offhand at 25m and was very disapointed.Groups all over the place about 4 or 5 inch. Gun is a diana 34 with 3-9 sportsview that shoots 1 inch of a rest.
It's me waveing all over the place.

daisy
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Msg. 271917  Posted by JEFF on August 05, 2000 at 20:08:57:

In Reply to: .22 cal. airgun posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 16:08:34:

Cody, I and some friends shoot 48`s. .22, .20 and .177 cal. The 48`s weight is not a problem for any of us. One of the guys shoots open sights. His gun is in .22 cal. The guy is a great shot with his gun. I have witnessed shots over 40 yards with open sights. He says a scope would be in the way. Get the 48/.22 and have a ball, by the way some of us do use slings. We also go out for extended periods, 4-5 hrs at a time. We are constantly on the move. The sling just makes the gun more comfortable. Cody, use premiers, crow magnums and or the kodiaks. You will not be dissapointed. Everyone has an opinion, IMHO the 48`s are great guns.
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Msg. 271916  Posted by daisy on August 05, 2000 at 19:56:48:

In Reply to: another wake -up call posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

After the shooting at Tasmania the Govt. pushed and got gun control. They banned all semi-auto and pump action shot guns and all semi-auto rifles.They then had a buy back and got us to sell them our guns.All guns are now registered ,even airguns, we have to give a reason to have a gun, and self defence doesn't count.All guns must be stored under lock and key with amo stored in another locked place. I have a few guns and one air rifle, to get another gun I must first get a permint to acquire from the state govt. cost $30 even if not approved.
THIS HAS HAPPEN HERE AND YOU COULD BE NEXT.

Yours in safe shooting
daisy
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Msg. 271915  Posted by Mac1 on August 05, 2000 at 19:54:31:

In Reply to: By the way, Can I get MORE power from my Career 9mm? posted by Jon G on August 05, 2000 at 19:00:24:

Helium. 50% more power & 1/3 the shots. No consistency whatsoever unless you leave it plumbed to a master tank.

Later

Tim
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Msg. 271914  Posted by bajio on August 05, 2000 at 19:50:00:

Does anyone know where to buy good pellets in Canada
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Msg. 271913  Posted by Waddle_TheFuzzyDuck on August 05, 2000 at 19:47:10:

a daystate sportsman or a rws 48?

i am considering buying one of these... all otherthings being equal (to me) what is the power differance and in who's favor

Waddle

PS. i am refering to the 5 pump FAC model daystate.
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Msg. 271912  Posted by Waddle_TheFuzzyDuck on August 05, 2000 at 19:30:41:

a daystate sportsman or a rws 48?

i am considering buying one of these... all otherthings being equal (to me) what is the power differance and in who's favor

Waddle

PS. i am refering to the 5 pump FAC model daystate.
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Msg. 271911  Posted by matt sudol on August 05, 2000 at 19:27:14:

In Reply to: You can shoot... posted by Sid on August 05, 2000 at 18:54:29:

Cody,
In the fall I plan to pop a turkey with the rws 48 in .22 caliber. Mounted a Bushnell 4-12 scope and bipod(not mounted). Very powerfull gun. I am used to heavy guns though like my winchester 12 28" double gun.
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Msg. 271910  Posted by Jon G on August 05, 2000 at 19:00:24:

I love this bad dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Msg. 271909  Posted by GF on August 05, 2000 at 18:59:51:

In Reply to: Re: TX200 MK 4 needs service. Who can do it. posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:14:35:

I mailed him just now.
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Msg. 271908  Posted by dton on August 05, 2000 at 18:59:20:

Whats really the deal with this are there some good guns to be had or are they junkers. If anyone has had experience purchasing one of these please chime in
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Msg. 271907  Posted by Jon Goldfarb on August 05, 2000 at 18:57:03:

I do have a guest cabin for those special hunts! By the way Career 9mm- 3 /Possom's ooo + one Cotton mouth too!
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Msg. 271906  Posted by Sid on August 05, 2000 at 18:54:29:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal. airgun posted by Cody Dotter+ on August 05, 2000 at 18:43:04:

Biggest mammal you could shoot with an RWS 48
would probably be a Blue Whale,but I doubt it
would notice.
Here in the UK we tend to kill things on the basis
of 'is this a pest' or 'can I eat it' rather than
how big it is.We Brits are a funny lot.

The RWS is a cannon the BSA is more 'friendly' and
general purpose..thats the bottom line.

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Msg. 271905  Posted by The other Chris on August 05, 2000 at 18:54:01:

In Reply to: Is the Gamo R-77 any good? posted by Chris on August 05, 2000 at 18:50:30:

I've had one for about 2 years. It's not my favorite but I don't regret getting it. It's a fun little indoor gun.
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Msg. 271904  Posted by Mikael on August 05, 2000 at 18:53:05:

In Reply to: another wake -up call posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

My first impression was that you have read a Swedish newspaper. The laws here in Sweden
are protecting the criminals more than the citizens. It's not unusual that people defending them self or their property is convicted and put into prison while the criminals be charged with 10 serios crimes at the same time only gets 1 year probation.

I had a break in for 7 years ago and they stole almost everything in the house. Some neighbours so the two men who did it and even knew who they was. After two days when the police told me that they couldnt find them i asked one of the officers the name of one of the guys girlfriends and got it. I picked up the phone and called that girl and aksed for his boyfriend and he was there, i guess this tells you something about the police in Sweden. I got almost everything back. At the trial 8 month later this guy was procecuted for about 10 differnt crimes and every one of them could give prison in two to five years. He was convicted to 9 of these crimes and got 6month probation. After a year he was procecuted again and the same story.

An old man was out hunting were i live. A big lynx (swedish lynx is up to 60lbs) attacked his higly regarded hunting dog without reason (a pretty small dog 15lbs). The man shot the lynx and called the police and told them the story. He got a 4 month in prison and the police tok every gun and his FAC away.

Mikael
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Msg. 271903  Posted by bearridge on August 05, 2000 at 18:52:52:

In Reply to: another wake -up call posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

Thanks Russ. I sent this to some of my friends.
Somehow the underlying seriousness of the situation
isn't being presented very well, or it is and "they"
just disagree with us.

I don't believe most of "them" understand. This
story should "get through", but I am uneasy. Do
we really think Chuck H. holding his muzzleloader
high would have a positive impact on what I hope
are a significant number of people who aren't
anti-gun, just not pro-gun? The anti-gunners seem
to be scaring "them", I'm concerned that "cold
dead hands" bumper stickers and much of the
pro-gun rhetoric reinforces that fear.

bearridge
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Msg. 271902  Posted by Chris on August 05, 2000 at 18:50:30:

Does anybody know if the gamo R-77 is any good? Thanx.
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Msg. 271901  Posted by CurtB on August 05, 2000 at 18:45:29:

In Reply to: Re: R-9 tune posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:17:34:

Thanks Russ, where is it - I lost the URL
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Msg. 271900  Posted by Cody Dotter+ on August 05, 2000 at 18:43:04:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal. airgun posted by Quack on August 05, 2000 at 18:22:36:

What is the biggest sized animal I can shoot with a
RWS Model 48 in .22 cal.?
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Msg. 271899  Posted by Cole on August 05, 2000 at 18:34:32:


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Msg. 271897  Posted by Quack on August 05, 2000 at 18:22:36:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal. airgun posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 17:44:24:

The 48 will due about 18-19 ft-lbs. The SS will due about 13-14 ft-lbs. What you really need to consider is how heavy the gun is. Wayne is right on the money, if you are going to be carrying the gun through the woods for a few hours, you will not like the 48 unless you have it slinged. I cannot attest to the 48's accuracy, but I can say that my .177 SS is accurate. I got rid of a RWS 34 because it was a heavy gun. The 48 is even heavier. But if you are only doing some backyard shooting, the 48 will deliver more power for ya. Hope this helps,
Paul in MI
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Msg. 271896  Posted by MCunningham on August 05, 2000 at 18:14:08:

In Reply to: Help in mounting red-dot on RWS 6G pistol. posted by MCunningham on August 05, 2000 at 12:26:36:


I apperciate the help.

Mike
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What is a Benjamin 20 shot 22 Rocket worth???????


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Msg. 271894  Posted by Rich on August 05, 2000 at 18:10:47:

The pistol is in excellent codition with a leather
holster. It has no box or papers. It is a 20 shot
repeater and is CO2 operated. I assume it shoots
.22 caliber lead balls. Anyone know its worth?
Also would sell if interested.
Thanks, Rich
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Msg. 271893  Posted by peter huppertz on August 05, 2000 at 18:07:00:

In Reply to: Re: why? (nt) posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 12:02:24:

Neither is the Pro Sport.

And you may not like to hear it, but if I would have a woodchuck problem, I would not take care f it with any of my airguns, but I would NEVER have you take care of it with any of yours.

There's a right way, and several wrong ways, to do anything, and I am told by several entirely knowledgeable people that taking out woodchucks with a gun like the Pro Sport is not among the first category.

If you'd be able to use your brains, you'd already know that you should limit yourself to airgun-applicable quarry. For the sake of the quarry, I hope you will.

peter
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Msg. 271892  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 17:44:24:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal. airgun posted by GMackeddie on August 05, 2000 at 16:47:51:

I'm confused! One says Model 48 one says Super Sport.
Will the RWS Model 48 shoot Crow Magnums and Kodiaks?
How many FPE does a Model 48 shoot?
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Msg. 271891  Posted by Sid on August 05, 2000 at 17:32:41:

In Reply to: Bolshevik Britain posted by Sid on August 05, 2000 at 17:30:54:

.

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Msg. 271889  Posted by Sid on August 05, 2000 at 17:30:54:

In Reply to: Re: Inch by inch step by step posted by Ted on August 05, 2000 at 14:14:45:

Tell me about it !

The only people who own handguns now in the UK are
the Police and criminals.
Taking away legitimate shooters rights didn't stop
a gang of Jamaican gangsters shooting 8 people
queuing outside a nightclub in London last week.

The immigrant gangs don't seem to have any real
problem getting hold of their favourite Mac 10's
and Desert Eagles but I would need to spend 3
months on probation and undergo all manner of
Police investigations just to legally obtain a
.22 rimfire rifle for pest control.

We had a panic over 'Combat Knives' as well a few
years ago after a schoolteacher was stabbed to
death by a gang of young Asian 'Triads'.
Of course it just HAD to be the fault of the knife
rather than the person using it so instead of
finding out why our cities are being taken over
by lawless gangsters the Government banned the
sale of 'Combat Knives' instead.

Bolshevik Britain is what I call it.

Whatever you do DON'T let your Government disarm
you as ours has done to us.

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Msg. 271888  Posted by GT on August 05, 2000 at 17:05:13:

I AM ORDERING A .177 HW80, AND I AM LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE THE PERFORMANCE, ESPECIALLY THE POWER. ANY BODY HAS GOT ANY SUGGESTION? IS THE THEOBEN GAS STRUT GOOD?
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Msg. 271887  Posted by wayne parrish on August 05, 2000 at 16:58:00:

In Reply to: .22 cal. airgun posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 16:08:34:

Cody, I myself will tell you to go with the super sport. The 48 is very heavy not something to lug around in the woods all day. I would not use those heavy pellets in my gun.I will only use 15 grain or under.
Hope this helped,
Wayne Parrish

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If you must...


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Msg. 271886  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 05, 2000 at 16:48:20:

In Reply to: Bipod question posted by Bud on August 05, 2000 at 03:05:26:

Matt, I had the same bipod mounted on a Gamo 880-S that I had a couple of years ago & it was very accurate. Then I put the same bipod on my .22 cal 48 & it sprayed pellets all over the horizon - I ended up removing the bipod. But, if you must mount a bipod on your 48, you will need to get a set of sling swivel posts. Remove the stock by taking out that front screw you are talking about & the rear screw in the trigger guard. Drill the required hole in the stock (in front of that front screw, leaving room for the scope mount to clear the screw when all is reassembled) & install the front swivel post. The bipod will then mount to the post protruding from the bottom of the forestock. BTW - you need to check occasionally & make sure that the front & trigger guard screws are always tight, otherwise the barrel will vibrate in the stock & your pellet pattern will resemble a shotgun. ;-) Have a good one!
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Msg. 271885  Posted by GMackeddie on August 05, 2000 at 16:47:51:

In Reply to: .22 cal. airgun posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 16:08:34:

go for the 48
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Re: I scramble brains in a pan!


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Msg. 271884  Posted by Lee Chsatant on August 05, 2000 at 16:37:31:

In Reply to: Brain Pan? posted by TheMatrix on August 05, 2000 at 06:30:11:

Technically, a head shot could include such things as blowing off an animal's nose or jaw, which leaves it to crawl off & die elsewhere. Not good! You have to actually hit & scramble the brain itself - in the brain pan, of course - how else could you scramble them - in order to bring them down quickly with a minimum of suffering. Have a good one!
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Msg. 271883  Posted by S Stevens on August 05, 2000 at 16:29:52:

Is there a specific height for the target or bullseye to be hung at?
Eye level?, 6ft? Your choice or pre-set ?
I find quite a varience in shooting ability depending whether I am aiming inline or up/down.
Thanks

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Msg. 271882  Posted by Dave N on August 05, 2000 at 16:27:41:

In Reply to: For Steve B. posted by donsills on August 05, 2000 at 15:22:01:

Don:
This morning I replaced my 2240 barrel with a 2260 24" tube, so far groups with the stock unsecured front sight runat 3/8,with Daisy pointed and Crosman w/c's. Can't wait to scope it!
Going to try modifying the mts. by filing to open gap and prevent barrel pinch and rise from reciever.
Dave N

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Russ...it's a shame what you're doing.....


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Msg. 271881  Posted by Alex/Wi on August 05, 2000 at 16:18:57:

In Reply to: Lovin' da P-70 (FT prepped) posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:35:53:

That guns potential is way beyond 25 yards, please do not abuse it by shooting such short distances with it. I was out today with Allen and Kurt and we were shooting some small KZs out to 55 yards. Oh sure, we had one or two nearly at 17 and 26, but they was only 3/8". We spun the spinner at 60 yards every time, that's where Allen's guns tend to really shine. Now go back out there, sit yourself down on a pillow and plink them flowers off the neighbors yard..hehe. BTW, I know somebody that was interested in buying that piece, but Craig didn't return his e-mails...is it already spoken for?
Alex/Wi

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Msg. 271880  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 16:08:34:

OKAY GUYS. I would really like your opinion. Which
would be better for hunting and plinking? A RWS
Model 48 in .22 cal. or a BSA Super Sport in .22 cal.?
Which is more accurate? Both would be open sights.
Could the RWS shoot heavy pellets like Crow
Magnums and Kodiaks? How much FPE would the RWS
have in .22 cal.?
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Msg. 271879  Posted by jcbii on August 05, 2000 at 16:07:06:

In Reply to: another wake -up call posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

Thanks alot Russ. Now I get to walk around today feeling "PO'd" at the senselessness and stupidity of the gun laws in England. I can't believe an honest man would get life and the intruders would be held out as heros.

Makes me think of the movie "Platoon?", where Charlie Sheen's character says:

"HELL IS THE ABSENCE OF REASON" (or something like that)

Thanks for the story,
jcbii
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Re: Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer


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Msg. 271878  Posted by Sammy on August 05, 2000 at 16:04:47:

In Reply to: Re: Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer posted by Andrew Leung on August 04, 2000 at 15:39:48:

I hadn't thought of that. I called Steve at Pomona Air Guns to also check on the availability of the Theoben Sirocco that JPF mentioned below.
Well I think I have found the solution.
A Custom R-9 with a powertune by Pomona and a .22 barrel installed should get me 16+ foot pounds. I had always steered away from the R-9 because it didn't come in .22. It is slightly longer than I wanted but I am running out of choices here unless I spring for the Theoben.
Now I just need to decide what R-9 I want, you know laminated, deluxe, etc.
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Msg. 271877  Posted by jcbii on August 05, 2000 at 15:57:03:

Can this stuff be used on guns? It is sold in hobby stores for R/C aircraft, cars, etc.

jcbii
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Msg. 271876  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 05, 2000 at 15:51:01:

In Reply to: Re: Lovin' da P-70 (FT prepped) posted by dscott on August 05, 2000 at 15:47:35:

Additional regulator, a manometer on the side of new regulator, many internal changes to increase fps to 770-830 for a CP heavy 10.5 grain. in other words along with the ZM2002, just the most accurate FT gun out there.

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Msg. 271875  Posted by dscott on August 05, 2000 at 15:47:35:

In Reply to: Lovin' da P-70 (FT prepped) posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:35:53:

What has been done to the gun to make it "FT prepped"?
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Msg. 271874  Posted by Ted on August 05, 2000 at 15:45:26:

In Reply to: Re: Barrel Checking? posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:25:07:

It looks warped to the right on the inside but I am not sure if it is an illusion because of the rifling. The ouside looks straight. Will check out the crown with a magnifying glass.
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Msg. 271873  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:43:03:

In Reply to: Re: Any truth to spring set? - Yes but it is still interesting. posted by Jim P on August 05, 2000 at 12:40:22:

Boy oh boy- that's a lotta No Doz ! LOL RB
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Msg. 271872  Posted by Carl on August 05, 2000 at 15:42:00:

In Reply to: Re: Trying, choke, to compare 2250 to Quack .25 - 2240... posted by K Bailey on August 05, 2000 at 00:04:35:

What is the price range on the Quack versions? Does he make a .22 version?
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Msg. 271871  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:35:53:

Craig Swinson was kind enough to loan his his P-70, equipped with a B&L Rainguard 6x24 scope. What a deadly combo this thing is! I just came in from outside, shooting the centers out of black eyed susans at 25 yards. The gun is accurate enough to take out individual petals (he shoots me- he shoots me not). Gonna go back out shortly and try some one Vern shooting with it. The trigger is set to fire on 'mental command' Talk about effortless accuracy! Now if I can just get my paws on a Steyr..... LOL RB
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Msg. 271870  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:27:31:

In Reply to: Miserable beasts posted by Charles Guatney on August 05, 2000 at 12:23:27:

Paul Watts and Tom Jue did an article about nutria hunting with a TX-200 and a Career, in US Airgun magazine. Back issues are available. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 271869  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:25:07:

In Reply to: Barrel Checking? posted by Ted on August 05, 2000 at 14:36:14:

It's best to look down the bore to see if a bore is straight, but unless you know what to look for, this could be fruitless. The outside straightness doesn't necessarily mean the bore is straight, because gun drills can wander a bit while boring. I've seen bored barrel blanks where the muzzle hole was 1/8th" off center from the breech. Once straightened, they shoot fine. Another thing to check is the quality of the crown. Any burrs or eccentricities can throw your shots. Pellet choice is another thing that affects the POI. RB
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Msg. 271868  Posted by donsills on August 05, 2000 at 15:22:01:

In Reply to: Re: Glue Down posted by Steve B. on August 05, 2000 at 14:30:11:

Additionally I have a 2250 glued down full length. The accuracy of this gun is slightly below 3/16's at 10 yds. [I've gotten 10 5-shot groups as an average so far]

Whatever the effort may be, I wont ever let this exceptional barrel get away...I got it as a replacement from Crosman for about $11.00 post paid.

Take Care....Don
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Msg. 271867  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:19:06:

In Reply to: Question on the Vortek gas ram for a 52 posted by Pel-It on August 05, 2000 at 15:11:07:

Pel-it: I don't think Vortec makes 'em anymore. They seem to be totally incommunicado. RB
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Msg. 271866  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 15:17:34:

In Reply to: R-9 tune posted by CurtB on August 05, 2000 at 15:13:48:

The R-9 is put together differently than the R-1. Somewhere over on the Anything Goes site on Delphi is my complete set of instructions for R-9 disassembly. It should be in the archives, where a search would turn it up.. RB
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Msg. 271865  Posted by CurtB on August 05, 2000 at 15:13:48:

I'd like to put one of JM's field target kits in my R-9.
I've worked on quite a few firearms and frequently have
to repair equipment in the lab that I work in, but I'd feel
better if I had a schematic/diagram and some basic instructions
on disassembly before I tackle the job. Are there any books
available that would help? I've heard "The Beeman R-1 Book"
mentioned before, would this be a good place to start?

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Msg. 271864  Posted by Pel-It on August 05, 2000 at 15:11:07:

Is the ram worth the extra jing or should I just stick to the GSI kit? Anybody know where I can find out more about them ie. price, can I buy the unit and install it myself, performance with CP heavies etc etc.
Pel-It
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Msg. 271863  Posted by RGunn on August 05, 2000 at 15:01:09:

In Reply to: another wake -up call posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

Every time a post like this comes around, I am always disappointed at how few people express any concern. WAKE UP AMERICA!

At the very, very least join the NRA and let your voice be heard through them! Your chosen sport of shooting hangs in the balance!
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Msg. 271862  Posted by Chris Levingston on August 05, 2000 at 14:40:13:

In Reply to: Rust on Barrel posted by Dan on August 04, 2000 at 17:49:01:

Buy a cleaning kit from Straight Shooters :-)
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Msg. 271861  Posted by Ted on August 05, 2000 at 14:36:14:

How can you tell if a barrel is bent or not machined straight. I recently got a B18 and the sight is cranked to the left, and the front sight is on straight. Looks like the barrel is bent warped to the right inside, but i think this may be an illusion cause by the rifling. Could be i shoot it to the right.
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Msg. 271860  Posted by bearridge on August 05, 2000 at 14:32:26:

In Reply to: RWS 48 posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 19:08:21:

Matt,

The 48 sure takes some getting used to. I really
have enjoyed mine, after I broke it in and learned
how to follow through while holding it no tighter
than necessary. Be patient with it. Not too sure
about that scope. Remember the 48 is the King of
Jolts. Enjoy and don't forget to try Premiers.

bearridge
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Msg. 271859  Posted by Steve B. on August 05, 2000 at 14:30:11:

In Reply to: Re: Glue Down posted by donsills@core.com on August 05, 2000 at 11:16:00:

don: I betcha that as long as you didn't glue the screws down it won't matter. The barrel seal won't ever need to be replaced anyway, just the valve seals inside the pump tube.

regards - Steve B.
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Msg. 271858  Posted by Steve in CT on August 05, 2000 at 14:25:56:

In Reply to: Re: It would have been easier... posted by peter huppertz on August 05, 2000 at 05:30:07:

Peter I shot a lot of rabbits in my life. I love the way my mother taught me to cook them. My grandmother used to raise them and the neck breaking procedure is not foreign to me but after all these years believe me. I found it a lot more cruel to hold the poor rabbit upside down trying to break his neck. One Karate chop usually doesn't cut it. Rabbits are very fragile creatures and easy to kill. One more shot at close range would have sent him to Alice's land a lot faster.
Cheers
SS
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Msg. 271857  Posted by Ted on August 05, 2000 at 14:22:48:

In Reply to: Bipod question posted by Bud on August 05, 2000 at 03:05:26:

I have a harris 14"-28" (i think) on my 52 it attaches to the front sling swivel. Must let gun float as straight back and forward as possible on the bipod. My point of inpact tends to drop 1/2 to 1" on the bipod, could be me. I just change setting for one or the other. It removes easily with a coin.
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Msg. 271856  Posted by Steve B. on August 05, 2000 at 14:22:46:

In Reply to: Brain Pan? posted by TheMatrix on August 05, 2000 at 06:30:11:

TM: The first reference to "brain pan" I recall was twenty years or so ago in the movie "Missouri Breaks" with Jack Nicolson and Harry Dean Stanton (yea ok, Marlon Brando too). It sounded really hick so of course I liked it immediately; sort of an oil pan for the brain.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 271855  Posted by john on August 05, 2000 at 14:21:08:

In Reply to: another wake -up call posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

excellent article, russ. thats just scary. I'm going to e-mail it yo everyone I know.
john
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Msg. 271854  Posted by Steve in CT on August 05, 2000 at 14:19:28:

In Reply to: another wake -up call posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

Wake up America is right. After you wake up do something too, don't just sit around waiting for other people to fight your battles.
Thanks Russ
PS
Steve: " Hello, NRA! Who shall I make the check out to." hehe
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Msg. 271853  Posted by Ted on August 05, 2000 at 14:14:45:

In Reply to: another wake -up call posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

Inch by inch step by step they will take more rights (or they will talk us into giving them up). Inch by inch they will take more of our paychecks one way or the other. This hasn't been happening for thousands of years by any chance has it.

We did throw the Brits out of here for similar stuff didn't we.

Revolutions haven't been fought for similar reasons in various places for all of recorded history.

The rich and powerful are just scared, they still have guns they have their own private, or governemet security/military/police.
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Msg. 271852  Posted by AIRPOWER on August 05, 2000 at 14:13:01:

In Reply to: I'd love to hear more about the MIT III Star nt posted by Nik on August 05, 2000 at 12:22:47:

III Star is similar to the Career 9mm and the Saver Big Bore 909 in design, looks ok , but its no raving beauty. The receiver design is very basic this makes for easy caliber conversions.
All it took was a bit of machining and a bit
tuning, and .32 barrel . THe III Star uses pellet/bullets from 70 to 150 grs. Best combo seems to be a 77gr. round nose pellet at 930- 950 fps and a 100gr wad cutter design at 800-
875 fps.

Bob

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Msg. 271851  Posted by bearridge on August 05, 2000 at 14:01:15:

In Reply to: offhand springer shooters -- accuracy poll... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:23:37:

JP,

I don't have any targets in front of me, but I
shoot mostly house finches and blue jays with my
R-7. Almost all my shooting is offhand. The best
I can recall shooting from a rest was about 2-3"
groups at just under 30 yards. I hit one of
those 3oz oil containers at 33 yards, but not
consistently. I can't see well enough shoot
finches at more that 15 yards with these open sights.
I can knock the finches out of my birdfeeder at
12-15 yards. I'm waiting on mounts for my new 676
Swift scope. Marty gets things to me a little
sooner than everyone else.

Finches beware! Starlings too.

Enjoyed your web site. Thanks for taking the time
to create something I found very useful.

bearridge

P.S. Don't loan your gun to Willey M. He tried
to pull that on me. I predict he'll have his own
before too long...he seems to be succumbing to the
pure joy of shooting an R-7. Aw hell, loan him
yours hehehe.
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Msg. 271850  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:49:27:

TRUE STORY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where We're Headed
By Robert A. Waters - 06.23.00

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your
bedroom door. Half awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear,
you hear muffled whispers.
At least two people have broken into your house and
are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your
bed and pick up your shotgun.
You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door,
and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.
One holds something that looks like a crowbar.
When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike,
you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both
` thugs to the floor.
One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to
the front door and lurches outside.
As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know
you're in trouble. In your country, most guns were
outlawed years before, and the few that are
privately owned are so stringently regulated as to
make them useless. Yours was never registered.
Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar
has died. They arrest you for First-Degree Murder and
Illegal Possession of a Firearm.
When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry:
authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.
"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.
"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing.
"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."
The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local
newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric
vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.
Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them.
Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both
"victims" have been arrested numerous times.
But the next day's headline says it all:
"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."
The thieves have been transformed from career
criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters.
As the days wear on, the story takes wings.
The national media picks it up, then the international media.
The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.
Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you,
and he'll probably win.
The media publishes reports that your home has been
burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of
local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.
After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be
prepared next time.
The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in
wait for the burglars. A few months later, you go to trial.
The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so
confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at
the injustice of it all works against you.
Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man.
It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.
The judge sentences you to life in prison.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
This case really happened.
On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk,
England, killed one burglar and wounded a second.
In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.
How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great
British Empire? It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.
This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons
and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those
who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.
Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967
outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.
Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the
Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan,
a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.
When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.
The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control,"
demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned
handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.) Nine years
later, at Dunblane, Scotland, Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.
For many years the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse criminals.
Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up
law-abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the
fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.
During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights,
the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be
seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were
threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered
a reason to own a gun.
Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the
real criminals were released. Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police
spokesperson was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."
All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous
times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings
by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences.
Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.
When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned
handguns were given three months to turn them over to local
authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened
with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.
Police later bragged that they'd taken
nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.
How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been
registered and licensed. Kinda like cars. Sound familiar?
> > > >
WAKE UP AMERICA, THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT
THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
> > > >
"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
Samuel Adams


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Msg. 271849  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:39:23:

In Reply to: Thanks, that's the kind of reply I was looking for. posted by peter huppertz on August 05, 2000 at 05:07:30:

Peter: many years ago, I fired a frontal head shot at a black bear (in Maine)with a 30-30. My buddy Pat and I had been tracking him in the snow, and as I walked around the corner of an unused cabin in the woods, I found myself only 15 yards or so from mr. bear. The meeting wasrather unexpected for both of us. I took a couple steps back and raised the gun and the bear reared up on his hind legs. I started yelling for Pat, drew a bead right between the bears' eyes and fired the shot. BAD MOVE! I saw the bullet tear a furrow up the bears snout and deflect! Mr Bear didn't like that very much, but it fortunately stunned him just long enough for my buddy to run up behind him and place a 12Ga. slug into the back of it's head. Needless to say, my legs were a bit rubbery for a few minutes. I think the bear never knew we were there because there was about 10" of powdery snow on the ground to hush our footfalls, and the breeze had been blowing towards us, so the bear never caught our scent.
By the way- we had to struggle to get that bear into a pick up truck. He weighed 372 lbs. The base comander at Loring AFB got the skin, as the property we were on was US Gov't. property.(we had permission). Russ
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Msg. 271848  Posted by Mike G on August 05, 2000 at 13:36:25:

In Reply to: Re: Swift 669MTA came today posted by PJ on August 05, 2000 at 04:17:18:

Had to shim the front mount .0025. Super scope proved to me I'm not very good at spring guns will have a pcp soon.
Mike
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Msg. 271847  Posted by Doug Owen on August 05, 2000 at 13:28:46:

In Reply to: Miserable beasts posted by Charles Guatney on August 05, 2000 at 12:23:27:

"Some time ago there were a number of postings dealing with the nutria taken with airguns. Someone might share them with you."

This is easy enought to do 'nutria hunting' returns 972 web pages on my favorite web search enging, google....

In fact, looks like there are seasons in some places.....

Doug Owen
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Msg. 271846  Posted by Josh P. on August 05, 2000 at 13:23:33:

In Reply to: Re: To everybody that has a scoped Crosman 1377... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 09:59:12:


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Msg. 271845  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 13:14:35:

In Reply to: TX200 MK 4 needs service. Who can do it. posted by GF on August 05, 2000 at 13:11:54:

GF: Being a mk4, I think Jim will service it. He as a new website, and his e-mail is macc4644@magnus.net--- regards, Russ
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Msg. 271844  Posted by Sammy on August 05, 2000 at 13:12:56:

In Reply to: Why not go for Benji 392 Mac-1 Steroid? posted by Jock on August 05, 2000 at 06:00:21:

You make a good point. I had a Steroid 392 and I just sold it. It was extremely accurate and the power Mac1 gets out of those guns is unbelievable. Also light and short as you said. My problem with it was that pumping, even with the extended billet option. It got old quick. But a very nice gun. For people who don't mind all that pumping it is the ultimate airgun combination of portability, accuracy, and power.
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Msg. 271843  Posted by GF on August 05, 2000 at 13:11:54:

I have had this rilfe for about a year and half and it has worked wel for me but it has a broken trigger and I would like to have it tuned. Who can handle this? Jim Maccari apparently no longer has a web site and he hasn't returned my call.
GF
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Msg. 271842  Posted by Slug on August 05, 2000 at 13:10:08:

- In a past thread concerning silencers, someone mentioned a new one named the Lapwood Husher. They also said that it was fairly different internally from the usual recurve types, and (if I remember right) that it worked a bit better. I searched at the time for "lapwood husher" and only got the two instances that the name was mentioned, in his post and mine, right here in this forum.
Several weeks later, I have searched for "lapwood husher" again. I tried FAST Search, HotBot, Alta Vista, Ask Jeeves, Excite, Google, GoTo, LookSmart, Lycos, Netscape Search and Yahoo. I got sites for a dog muzzle, a semi-prominent author, a line of lab centrifuges, info on Husher Wisconsin-USA, a few geneaology sites, a Japanese racehorse, a banjo mute, a couple lines of office furniture and an anti-snoring mouthpiece.
When I tried searching for "airguns lapwood husher" I got all the familiar airgun sites listing first, but nothing containing info on the Lapwood Husher. Any Brit shooters know anything about this product? - Slug
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Msg. 271841  Posted by Penn on August 05, 2000 at 13:09:54:

In Reply to: A jackhammer? posted by matt sudol on August 05, 2000 at 12:20:34:

...mostly on to whom you're talking. You make up your own mind, but most of all, just enjoy it!
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Msg. 271840  Posted by Mac1 on August 05, 2000 at 12:50:29:

In Reply to: Help in mounting red-dot on RWS 6G pistol. posted by MCunningham on August 05, 2000 at 12:26:36:

You must remove the elevation wheel completely. Remove the front screw then the rear thru the hole under wheel.

Later

Tim

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Msg. 271839  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 12:47:34:

In Reply to: Help in mounting red-dot on RWS 6G pistol. posted by MCunningham on August 05, 2000 at 12:26:36:

Mike: there are two screws. Unscrew the elevation dial all the way and look underneath. RB
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Msg. 271838  Posted by Sloop on August 05, 2000 at 12:46:51:

In Reply to: Tuning SuperSport posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 07:34:34:

Cody:
I have a gas ram in my .22 cal. SS, and also had the trigger tuned, all by Dave Slade. The increase in velocity was not significant. It seemed to get a little more accurate, maybe less vibration or the trigger improvement, but not real dramatic improvement. Also seemed to make the gun a little louder.

Another guy I know opted for the R. Best tune, and he just raves about the difference in the gun. Smoother, more accurate, less noise, and on and on. Cheaper than the ram too.

If I had it to do again, I'd probably get the trigger done by Slade, and the tune by Russ Best.

Sloop
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Msg. 271837  Posted by Mac1 on August 05, 2000 at 12:46:22:

In Reply to: Help in mounting red-dot on RWS 6G pistol. posted by MCunningham on August 05, 2000 at 12:26:36:

That is a little tricky. The sight screw holes are really not up to the task of holding any real weight so I highly recommend not only loctiting the rail screws to the action but also using adhesive silicone (RTV) between the rail and the action to take the load. Otherwise it will come loose. When the loctite is curing make sure the gun is inverted. Also only put the loctite on the screw. Not in the hole. Use 271 red. No wick type loctites.

Later

Tim
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Msg. 271836  Posted by Jim P on August 05, 2000 at 12:40:22:

In Reply to: Re: Any truth to spring set? - Yes but it is still interesting. posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 23:47:25:

Just reread the Mainspring Test in the R1 book. Tom didn't say, but I assume that the springs when cocked were inside in a fairly (typical thermostat) temperature controlled environment. However, What Tom says he did (as I understand it was shoot and recock the spring about every hour (or more) for 735 hours!

As you said Russ "the material will eventually, through fatigue and stress,will lose "it's memory" (strength as a spring.") What I might contend after rereading Tom's test and the fact that my HW (97) factory spring failed (broke) in 2300 shots - never cocked for more than it took for me to aim and fire. Is that the "fatigue and stress" (I think that fatigue is cumulative stress btw.) is caused by cocking and releasing the spring. A mainspring left cocked in a temperature controlled environment might not experience any additional stress and therefore might not experience more than one shots degradation. This so far is just a thought experiment - Anybody know?

I would also guess that the "recovery" that Tom saw some springs show while cocked might have been "work hardening" (i.e. the some of the tiny crystals took a new set - but this set made them stronger, (but more brittal)for a short period of time.) Just a guess.

Anyway Tom more or less proved that you can leave your mainspring cocked for an hour at a time in the house without too much degradation.

Jim P.


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Msg. 271835  Posted by Slug on August 05, 2000 at 12:37:16:

In Reply to: Daisy 777 Target pistol? Opinions? Accuracy? nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 04, 2000 at 14:03:35:

- Pretty accurate for the price. Not a lot of power, but that's the way it is with single-pump pistols. It is possible to mount alternate sights by using barrel-grabbing blocks like the ones that are used for the Crosman 2250, but the 777's (non-removable) front sight blade is kinda high and as I recall it blocked much of the lower part of the view with a couple sights I tried.
- I stripped a grip screw hole and had to drill a hole all the way through the frame and use a bolt and nut to hold both sides on. It looks unnoticeable and holds tighter; they should have done it that way in the first place. - Slug
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Msg. 271834  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 12:36:56:

In Reply to: Re: Tuning SuperSport posted by Chris on August 05, 2000 at 10:43:16:

Chris: I typically get about a 25 fps rise in velocity when I tune Supersports in .177 caliber. They usually shoot 7.9 Premiers at 880 fps or so, and shoot at 905 fps after a Synergy tune. Oddly, no -one has ever sent me a .22 SS to tune. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 271833  Posted by M Boyle on August 05, 2000 at 12:36:46:

In Reply to: .20 and .22 posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 17:48:58:

matt, in some the 22, is faster because there more air going through it..one such gun is the JW80 seems the 22 gets 40+ fps more speed then 20..better air flow i guess
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Msg. 271832  Posted by Mac1 on August 05, 2000 at 12:36:03:

In Reply to: How do pneumatics or CO2 guns function? posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:56:03:

You should bookmark this websters dictionary in your browser. Can be handy.


Main Entry: pop·pet
Pronunciation: 'pä-p&t
Function: noun.....
b : a valve that rises perpendicularly to or from its seat.

Most CO2, Pnuematic, and Pump guns use poppet valves. A hammer/cam/striker must hit the poppet to open it.
It is a very simple system with many set-up parameters that can be adjusted for different performance needs.
Things which can be varied include but are not limited to;
Hammer weight
Hammer stroke
Hammer spring wire diameter
Hammer spring coil diameter
Hammer spring preload
Hammer spring number of coils
Valve Stem Length
Valve Head size
Valve ID size
Valve seat shape
Porting at breech
Valve porting
Valve return spring wire diameter
Valve return spring coil diameter
Valve return spring preload
Valve return spring number of coils
Valve volume

All these parameters can be adjusted to make the power you need to drive the pellet you want out of the barrel length of your choice. If you do it efficiently the gun makes little noise and a big slap downrange. It's all about valve duration and lift. Flow charachteristics of various fluids based on the systems and pressures employed can result in similar system performance from a variety of set-ups. We have available to us CO2, Atmosphere, Nitrogen, Helium etc. Each has it's own dynamics and will act differently based on the Dynamics of that fluid. Each has it's inherant advantages and disadvantages. All can be flowed through a Poppet valve and all will act differently and require a different solution as far as the efficient set up. That is the true challenge. Not to go fast. To go fast without being loud and wasteful. It's likle having a sailboat trimmed out to the last degree. It is a fine line we always seek but is as elusive as the perfect lap.
Poppet valves are able to be made so consistent they have been called regulated in the past with no such thing in there. The advent of regulators sorta took some of the art out of tuning. When you can get very smilar performance across a pressure range that falls by 50% during the charge use and velocity barely changes you have a very clever system indeed. The reg has taken that part of the equation to a different problem. Regulator output pressure & after reg volume can also be adjusted along with all the other parameters previously mentioned. It is really easy to get lost. Many oversprung/overpressured systems come thru our store that are a joke in terms of consistency when they come of the reg. We see some guns gain over 50 fps as they fall off the reg. It is so easy to get one of these systems completely out of balance when you ask it to be something it is not by cranking it into the no can do zone. That's where the monster hammer springs come from. As my grampa would be the first to tell you if he was around today. There is more to accuracy than standing on the hammer spring. Don't ever bother unless you are willing to get on the chrono and get scientific or throw your system into a poppet tizzy.

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Msg. 271831  Posted by M Boyle on August 05, 2000 at 12:31:26:

In Reply to: LAZAGLIDE TUNE on R1 posted by Bryan E on August 04, 2000 at 21:03:11:

Bryan i cant speak directly but the hype about gas springs is, they dont ware out..but they still brake the Lazer\lazaglide should be equeil to a JM tune +/- some stuff bottum line is a tune gun shoots better
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Msg. 271830  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 05, 2000 at 12:30:30:

In Reply to: Re: Fancy Lumber posted by Happy Gardener on August 05, 2000 at 12:08:29:


I agree with you Happy! I realize that there are those who feel entirely different than I do on the subject and that's fine. As for me, I don't want ANYTHING to distract my focused concentration when I'm out hunting and (for me) worrying about my beautiful stock getting scratched would do just that! Personally, I feel that synthetic stocks are the ideal for hunting purposes. ---- Mr.P
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Msg. 271829  Posted by MCunningham on August 05, 2000 at 12:26:36:

I just ordered a red-dot sight for my CP88 and RWS 6G pistols. Joe, at Golden Toller, gave me instructions on how to mount it on the CP88, but my instructions that came with the RWS 6G don't mention how to mount the scope rail that came with the gun. It looks as if the rear sight must come off (obviously). There is a screw visible in front of the rear sight holding it on. Is that all there is to removing the rear sight, and is there another hole rearward of that, as the scope rail has two holes and screws with it? Thanks for any help/advice that you can provide.

Mike
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Msg. 271828  Posted by Charles Guatney on August 05, 2000 at 12:23:27:

In Reply to: COYPU????? posted by GMackeddie on August 05, 2000 at 10:36:56:

Coypu is also known as the nutria. Imported from South America some years ago, the nutria was promoted as a fur-bearing animal and there was a craze for awhile trying to raise them and make a fortune in the process. People found out that the best way to make a small fortune is to invest a large fortune in nutria raising. Miserable little beasts are all but impossible to skin, and there wasn't a market for the fur (if you could get the fur off in one piece). It was a scam operation that took in many people.

Many people who gave up on the commercial venture released them and the nutria thrived, multiplying in enormous numbers, spreading all around the warmer parts of the US. The nutria is just another foreign pest like the walking catfish, fireant, Japanese hornet, and collectivists. Nutria will eat almost anything, denude lakes, ponds, rivers. On the other hand, there is some justice: there are people who find eating nutria enjoyable.

Nutria are a monumental nuisance wherever they appear and they are impossible to control. They will multiply . . .

I have shot many nutria (they used to be in great abundance in the ArkLaTex area) with rimfire and centrefire but I've never used an airgun. Some time ago there were a number of postings dealing with the nutria taken with airguns. Someone might share them with you.

HTH
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Msg. 271827  Posted by Nik on August 05, 2000 at 12:22:47:

In Reply to: Re: Favorite Guns posted by AIRPOWER on August 05, 2000 at 10:20:58:

nt
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Msg. 271826  Posted by matt sudol on August 05, 2000 at 12:20:34:

Well I just got my .22 webley hurricane from canada this morning. Nice looking gun and great balance but I heard ghost stories about it. Not accuarate and is like a jackhammer in hand. Even though the gun was used it still is no jackhammer.
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Msg. 271825  Posted by GF on August 05, 2000 at 12:20:19:

In Reply to: Any opinions on the old FWB 124 ??? posted by TCooper on August 05, 2000 at 00:38:31:

It was a good rifle for the money. You want to make sure you get the metal trigger.
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Msg. 271824  Posted by Bud on August 05, 2000 at 12:19:52:

In Reply to: Re: Are you sure you really want to??? posted by Roland Martens on August 05, 2000 at 11:12:42:


OK, can that bolt be taken out??
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Msg. 271823  Posted by Jon on August 05, 2000 at 12:19:41:

In Reply to: Re: How do pneumatics or CO2 guns function? posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 11:32:14:

Imagine a shrader valve on a bike tire tube. When you push on it air rushes out. There is a striker which is pushed by a spring, when it hits the valve it will open it and let air out.
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Msg. 271822  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 05, 2000 at 12:08:29:

In Reply to: Here's the lowdown posted by Pel-It on August 05, 2000 at 09:13:08:

No need for fancy lumber in a hunting gun. It will get scratched anyway.
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Msg. 271821  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 12:02:24:

In Reply to: why? (nt) posted by peter huppertz on August 05, 2000 at 11:23:31:

Pest Removal. If someone has problems with woodchucks
I will remove the w-chuck fore them. But the SuperSport
isn't powerful enough I will have to limit my animals
to squirrels and smaller animals.
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Msg. 271820  Posted by Keith Morris on August 05, 2000 at 11:56:12:

In Reply to: Best Pellets for the Superstar .22 posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 16:05:56:

Hi Gary,

Straight Shooters has a pellet sample pack that includes
a large selection of pellet types and weights. It would be
appropriate to test each of the pellets for tight groups.

After doing that myself I found that the Crossman Premier dome
pellets grouped as good as I was about to get.

Keith
Seattle
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Msg. 271819  Posted by peter huppertz on August 05, 2000 at 11:54:23:

In Reply to: And Marty's URL is what? (nt) posted by John Congleton on August 04, 2000 at 21:12:34:

Marty posts his URL in most of his own posts.
You'll find the URL here too:

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Msg. 271818  Posted by The Airgun Letter on August 05, 2000 at 11:54:19:

In Reply to: More Airgun Pages To Check Out posted by Dave B. on August 05, 2000 at 07:33:28:

Just in case you don’t already know it, there are also a number of links on our Web Links page, listed below.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Msg. 271817  Posted by Barrel_Nut on August 05, 2000 at 11:36:47:

In Reply to: " how long was that barrel? " = 15 " ; " ever try using the Accuracy-Tamer? " no ... posted by Barrel_Nut on August 05, 2000 at 10:53:00:

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Msg. 271816  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 11:32:14:

In Reply to: How do pneumatics or CO2 guns function? posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:56:03:

Go to www.beeman.com/types.html or www.daisy.com/propulsion.html
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Msg. 271815  Posted by The Airgun Letter on August 05, 2000 at 11:27:35:

In Reply to: Night Gassing? Me too ! posted by RBest on August 03, 2000 at 20:10:54:

Edith Gaylord
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http://www.airgunletter.com

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Msg. 271814  Posted by Willey M on August 05, 2000 at 11:24:04:

In Reply to: offhand springer shooters -- accuracy poll... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:23:37:

I'm no expert, but have shot exclusivly offhand with a springer for one year. The two biggies for me were a perfectly replicated hold every time, and concentrating on my trigger. My gun was tuned by this fellow who also smoothed out the trigger, but the R-7 should have a good trigger and be a smooth shooter out of the box.(heresay)

So, my best advice is to have the exact same hold every time and concentrate on developing that trigger finger pull so that these things become ingrained. Then you can start thinking about the target!...Willey M

PS - Maybe that R-7 isn't up to snuff. Better send it to me to check it out. I could have it back to you in 4-6 months!LOl!
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Msg. 271813  Posted by peter huppertz on August 05, 2000 at 11:23:31:

In Reply to: Re: Enough with the woodchucks already! posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 07:23:00:

nt
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Msg. 271812  Posted by 7 on August 05, 2000 at 11:20:56:

In Reply to: Re: what pellet? posted by PJ on August 05, 2000 at 04:14:42:

i was wondering about the gamo and copperhead pellets.
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Msg. 271811  Posted by Myron Harris on August 05, 2000 at 11:17:34:

In Reply to: What model Crosman is this? posted by Dave Durrett on August 05, 2000 at 09:39:41:

Dave,
Your rifle is one of the earliest Model 101. I have one just like it that I paid $80 about 10 years ago. This paticular model is a little unusual in that it has the logo inserted as a painted plate rather than just cast into the receiver as earlier and later versions did. I suspect it was done to salvage a supply of older castings when they adopted their new copyrighted emblem----maybe D.T. Fletcher can give us the real story on this.
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Myron
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Msg. 271810  Posted by donsills@core.com on August 05, 2000 at 11:16:00:

In Reply to: Re: To everybody that has a scoped Crosman 1377... posted by Steve B. on August 04, 2000 at 21:50:59:

Exactly what I did---Glued it full length with epoxy......A problem if you ever want to disassemble the gun, no doubt.

Shoots .350 groups at 10 yds, glued full length and scoped.
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Msg. 271809  Posted by Roland Martens on August 05, 2000 at 11:12:42:

In Reply to: Re: Are you sure you really want to??? posted by Bud on August 05, 2000 at 03:53:56:

Bud:
Send me your Email. I've got some info that could help you (pics).

Regards
Roland
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Msg. 271808  Posted by TCooper on August 05, 2000 at 11:12:00:

In Reply to: offhand springer shooters -- accuracy poll... posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:23:37:

I usually shoot about a 300 point score out of 400 on the air rifle targets (official NRA size) using my IZH-61 springer.
On a good day I will get 310-315.
With a .22 rimfire at 20 yards I can usually shoot 97-100% on the SFC recreational target shooting program targets.
HTH,
Todd
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Msg. 271807  Posted by Quack on August 05, 2000 at 10:58:54:

In Reply to: Re: Tuning SuperSport posted by Chris on August 05, 2000 at 10:43:16:

Chris, I had Dave Slade install mine. His web site can be found in the web links section called "Airgunwerks". Yes it was the .177 BSA Super Sport. I paid for the gas ram and a trigger job. The cost was as almost as much as a new SS. But I figured a tuned, accurate and light weight gun that I can leave cocked for a long time is totally worth it. You will find that most of the guns out there really don't see there potential until they are tuned. Hope this helps,
Paul in MI
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Msg. 271806  Posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:56:03:

I was just looking at DT Fletcher's site, and I realized I don't have a clear idea of how the internals of pneumatic and CO2 guns function. Can anyone recommend a book or web site that I can look at to figure this out? I'd like to seem some pictures and explanations.

Two posts in such short time--too much coffee. JP
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Msg. 271805  Posted by Barrel_Nut on August 05, 2000 at 10:53:00:

In Reply to: Re: Cowning achievements part 2. posted by Willey M on August 05, 2000 at 10:11:42:

only the dovetail section was cut to facilitate silence/moderator installation & bore concentricity alignment.

I have shot pellethead cloverleafs (2x.177" = .354")@ 41 yds before but not consistently.

" What real good would a solid shooting platform do in the case of testing a spring gun? "

No experience yet:
I would & will try foam rubber fore stock rests or a rotating gimbal yoke.

This 177 rifle now shoots CP 10.5s best & quieter than Crow Magnum pellets.
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Msg. 271804  Posted by Chris on August 05, 2000 at 10:43:16:

In Reply to: Re: Tuning SuperSport posted by Quack on August 05, 2000 at 08:03:54:

I read your post regarding your Gas Ram SS. I'm assuming it's a BSA SS.
Who did the work and what else did you have done?

I to am one of the many who searches for that ever elusive, light wieght, powerful springer.

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Msg. 271803  Posted by GMackeddie on August 05, 2000 at 10:36:56:

What is a coypu????? To my under standing it is a BIG amphibious rat about the size of a large cat.Just want to know more about them and can my raptor deal with them humanly
or do i have to use something bigger???
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Msg. 271802  Posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 10:23:37:

I've been trying to shoot my R7 more recently. I only shoot offhand, and I generally have a hard time doing much better than 1/2" at 25 feet, though I occasionally get a cloverleaf one-holer. Sometimes I get 1/2" groups at 20 yards when I'm shooting early in the morning and don't have a lot on my mind.

So I thought I'd ask how well others shoot offhand at 10m or 25ft or longer ranges. What size groups do you regularly get? What gun, sights? I'd particularly like to hear from other R7 shooters.

(This is out of curiousity about how well people shoot their springers offhand--I pretty sure I know what I'm doing wrong, so I'm not looking for accuracy tips. I frequently lock my knees, and I have a lower back problem that makes me start wobbling around sooner because those muscles are weak. Not to mention that I mostly shoot at the end of the day--9pm--when I'm really tired.)
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Msg. 271801  Posted by AIRPOWER on August 05, 2000 at 10:20:58:

In Reply to: !CLICK ON THIS! posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 07:50:10:

Saver "Big Bore 44"
Skan R32 Speed Star .22cal
Titan FN 12 .22 cal.
Webley Axsor .22 Cal.
Webley Tracker gas ram .22 cal.
MIT III Star .32 cal.
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Msg. 271800  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 05, 2000 at 10:20:12:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin 392 on Steroids fits the bill! posted by William on August 05, 2000 at 09:48:42:

I sighted in scoped rifle with four pumps at ten yards. (Range limits in back yard) I am still working to get a feel for range/pump # variations. With nine pumps on steroid 392 I am still right on at fifty yards. I haven't done much 14 pump work because of ballistics concerns -- with pellets keyholing -- I'll figure that out, too. Don't have chrony -- but report is about 825 to 850 with fourteen pumps.
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Msg. 271799  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 05, 2000 at 10:13:45:

In Reply to: Re: Daisy 753 and 853...what's the difference? posted by Lloyd S. on August 04, 2000 at 14:13:25:


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Msg. 271797  Posted by Willey M on August 05, 2000 at 10:11:42:

In Reply to: Cowning achievements part 2. posted by Barrel_Nut on August 04, 2000 at 15:13:34:

Vern, how long was that barrel? Did you ever try using the Accuracy-Tamer? I don't see how you can complain about 1 MOA with a 48. What real good would a solid shooting platform do in the case of testing a spring gun?...Thanks V....Willey
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Msg. 271796  Posted by Dave B. on August 05, 2000 at 10:09:04:

In Reply to: What model Crosman is this? posted by Dave Durrett on August 05, 2000 at 09:39:41:

Check out this url. It is a history of Crosman guns.
Dave

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Msg. 271795  Posted by Steve on August 05, 2000 at 10:08:52:

In Reply to: No guns = no violence like no exposure to sex education = no premarital sex or abortions posted by RSO on August 02, 2000 at 09:49:40:


Most answers are always found in history as it often repeats itself. In the 1800's there were train and stage coach robberies along with banks. We have the same now with car jackings,banks and drive by shootings. Then it was the James gang,Indians,Daltons and Billy the Kid,today the Crips and Bloods to name a few. To suggest gun control then would have proably brought another revolution. Are we any safer than our ancestors? Different technology now but the telegraph then is the radio now. I remember reading how at first the police were not allowed guns because people were afraid of them becoming to powerful. Now we have the police runnig around as a military force armed with weapons few Americans can legally own. What is a political subdivision? Your local sherrif or police dept. Be active and proud of our history but most important VOTE!!!
Keep the powder dry.
Steve
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Msg. 271794  Posted by GMackeddie on August 05, 2000 at 10:07:56:

In Reply to: !CLICK ON THIS! posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 07:50:10:

other than a riply XL25
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Msg. 271793  Posted by JP on August 05, 2000 at 09:59:12:

In Reply to: To everybody that has a scoped Crosman 1377... posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:22:00:

I have one of the older model 1377s. I've found that if I don't screw the plastic receiver down too hard, I don't get shifting problems. Same with the intermounts--tight enough, but not too tight.

I can get 1/2" groups at 20 yards frequently. I often shoot better with this gun than with my R7--because it's recoilless, and I've had it for about 13 years.

One problem I can't get rid of is that I can't get the intermounts to be perfectly aligned--my scope is always sitting at an angle to the barrel. This is a lousy situation, but I've not been able to figure out how to fix it. I've tried moving the mounts around, switching them, switching the rings, etc. No luck. I've stopped trying to move them around because one of them came with an already-stripped screw, and I don't want to aggravate that situation.
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Msg. 271792  Posted by Chris on August 05, 2000 at 09:56:28:

In Reply to: Theoben Sirocco(sp)!!! $$$ hahaha nt. posted by JPF on August 05, 2000 at 01:01:23:

This Theoban is a Gas Ram.
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Msg. 271791  Posted by William on August 05, 2000 at 09:48:42:

In Reply to: Benjamin 392 on Steroids fits the bill! posted by Lloyd S. on August 03, 2000 at 19:43:06:

David
That is a conversion I have been thinking about.
What kind of range and accuracy are you getting
and with how many pumps? What would you eatimate
velocity to be?
Thanks for any additional info.
William

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Msg. 271789  Posted by Dave Durrett on August 05, 2000 at 09:39:41:

Are there any Crosman experts around? Follow the link to see the jpg of the gun. I picked this rifle up a few years ago at a flea market. I would like to know what model it is and the age. The only number on the gun is S850 which is located in the loading port area. It is a 22 caliber rifle and it holds air and shoots. Does it have any value?
Thanks,
Dave Durrett

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Msg. 271788  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 05, 2000 at 09:36:53:

In Reply to: British hunting dilemma posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 19:39:51:


Peter, you can quote completely if you like. First, a pellet that gets close to the brain pan but not directly into it will usually put the animal down but the animal will require another shot. I have written post after post (at least 50) whereupon I mention DO NOT take frontal headshots. I know this from painful experiences (like our British friend experienced) of my own. I don't like going into detail about wounding animals on the forum, let alone graphic detail. Suffice it to say I have had more than my share of wounding experiences, most of them coming early on in my hunting experience. One of the biggest culprits is the frontal head shot. It SO easy for a pellet (or even a bullet) to end up missing the brain pan and or spinal cord). The nasal passages, jaws, teeth, and cheekbones will VERY frequently deflect a pellet from it's intended aimpoint. I have done autopsies on critters that had these problems using airguns and .22 short rim-fires and I tell you, it's nothing short of amazing the way these projectiles can deflect! As our English friend noted there was plenty of penetration and still he had problems! Well, the penetration of his pellet was never the issue here!

Understand that ranchers in this country have traditionally slaughtered their steers using .22 rim-fires and they typically DO take frontal head shots BUT they have the luxury of shooting from a more elevated position where they can hit the forehead flush and square. Guaranteeing this under hunting conditions is almost a guaranteed impossibility!

Three aimpoints I like to use and that have been 100% so far (for me) is between the eye and the ear, just below the ear and directly into the back of the head (centered). Why three aimpoints? Because animals present themselves at different angles to the hunter. A very good approach is to imagine a small ball on the inside center of the animal's skull and then shoot for that imaginary ball. This will keep your shot in the brainpan. JUST DON'T DO IT ON A FRONTAL HEAD SHOT!!!

Hope This Helps, Mr.P
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Msg. 271787  Posted by JS on August 05, 2000 at 09:22:01:

In Reply to: Brain Pan? posted by TheMatrix on August 05, 2000 at 06:30:11:

"this is your brain on drugs"....
The person in the commercial is holding a "brain pan"....sometimes called a skillet. If you whack a woodchuck in the head with that "brain pan", he'll know it!

Seriously, it's that special place inside your very own skull reserved for the marvelous organ known as your brain. Many animals have them. A void in the skull that is filled up with brain material. Some are larger than others, some are used more than others.
Shooting a woodchuck in the ear will not kill him...unless he's a hemophiliac (sp) and bleeds to death from a shaving cut. But most woodchucks don't shave unless they are attending a wedding.
However, I digress.....
Now, if you shoot that same hapless woodchuck in the "brain pan" (remember, that is where his little brain lives), chances are good he will cast off his mortal coil and shuffle off to Buffalo with nary a wimper nor a sigh. The pellet just won't have the same effect in his nose as it does in his brain.....and that brain is located where? YES...in his brain pan! :-)

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Msg. 271786  Posted by JS on August 05, 2000 at 09:14:22:

Any word on when the ordering function will be available again?
While it's fun to look at the photos and read the info, I am probably not the only person ready to dial up another vendor and pay a few bucks more just to be able to order what I need now.
I really wanted to give James some business though.
James? Are you out there? What's the good word?

Jack
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Msg. 271785  Posted by Pel-It on August 05, 2000 at 09:13:08:

In Reply to: Re: 20 Cal Kodiak and a bit posted by morris williams on August 05, 2000 at 06:43:00:

Had Maccari install Walther barrel with muzzle break, I installed Theoben gas ram, Dampa mount (an absolute must on this gun) with a Simmons 4x12 on top. He put a tight choke on the barrel to enable me to shoot less expensive pellets (smaller diameter) so my first choice is the Crosman Copperheads

Yards Average Velocity Energy
0 885.3 24.9
10 867.3 23.9
20 828.3 21.8
30 798.6 20.3
40 753 18.0
50 716 16.3
60 699 15.5
70 664.6 14.0

I'm not that big a believer in the Crow Mag, not that it's not a good gun but rather it's not good enough for its sticker price. Yes, it does come with a nice piece of lumber but I don't believe such beauty belongs on such an efficient hunter. As for accuracy, I ranged a knot on a piece of lumber at 64 yards yesterday (a la range finder) and put 3 pellets withing 1 1/4 inches of each other and one of those pushed the knot out the other side of the board.... all shot from a sitting position. Oh yes this gun is BA-DAS.
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Msg. 271784  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 05, 2000 at 09:07:07:

In Reply to: Brain Pan? posted by TheMatrix on August 05, 2000 at 06:30:11:


Libraries have books showing animal anatomical layout. Must reading. Photocopy a picture or two. ---- Mr.P
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Msg. 271783  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 05, 2000 at 09:03:01:

In Reply to: Pigeons, chucks and getting newbies hooked! posted by Whiteleather on August 04, 2000 at 23:16:31:


Hi Whiteleather! Good to have you back! From your post, seems you've been keeping busy and getting pretty darn good with that 36. Did you ever put the peep sight on the Benjamin (you were contemplating it last time I e-mailed you)?

Balzac sounds like "The Jaws of Hell"!;) To take on a coon and survive, let alone win, takes one tough hombre of a dog indeed!

Welcome back! ---- Mike
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Msg. 271781  Posted by Quack on August 05, 2000 at 08:03:54:

In Reply to: Tuning SuperSport posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 07:34:34:

Cody, read my post about "Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer".Later
Paul in MI
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Msg. 271780  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 07:50:10:

I have a question. What is your favorite gun?
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Msg. 271779  Posted by Dave B on August 05, 2000 at 07:41:31:

In Reply to: More Airgun Pages To Check Out posted by Dave B. on August 05, 2000 at 07:33:28:

Another page like this one.

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Msg. 271778  Posted by Dave B. on August 05, 2000 at 07:38:25:

In Reply to: More Airgun Pages To Check Out posted by Dave B. on August 05, 2000 at 07:33:28:

10 meter match page

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Msg. 271777  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 07:34:34:

What do people do when they 'tune' your gun? Does
it add any FPS or FPE if the SuperSport was tuned?

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Msg. 271776  Posted by Dave B. on August 05, 2000 at 07:33:28:

For those od you that been around, here are some urls to other good airgun sites.

Here are a bunch of airgun pages

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Msg. 271775  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 07:23:00:

In Reply to: Enough with the woodchucks already! posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 01:26:33:

I just want to be able to shoot woodchuck if I
have to. Like if they get in a garden.
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Msg. 271774  Posted by Mitch on August 05, 2000 at 07:20:06:

In Reply to: Re: Price prohibitive? posted by Mitch on August 05, 2000 at 07:12:20:

I just thought of this as I submitted that post:
The newbies often end up with RWS48s or Beeman Kodiaks for first guns, but I never heard of a kid getting either as a gift.
Only the enthusiast is likely to mess with scuba tanks. If they try, the dive shop might not be too happy to hear that the SCUBA tank is part of some kid's toy.
If they just order a 9mm and a pump, I don't think the kid is going to want to use it much. (but can you imagine what would happen if he overpumps like a kid putting 25 strokes on a Crosman 760? BOOM! instant application of Darwin's Theory.
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Msg. 271773  Posted by Penn on August 05, 2000 at 07:18:12:

In Reply to: Re: Pigeons, chucks and getting newbies hooked! posted by Tom B on August 04, 2000 at 23:24:40:


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Msg. 271772  Posted by Quack on August 05, 2000 at 07:17:51:

In Reply to: Trying, choke, to compare 2250 to Quack .25 - 2240... posted by Willey M on August 04, 2000 at 18:35:02:

nt
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Msg. 271771  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 05, 2000 at 07:15:18:

In Reply to: Whats The Pro-Elite " Hunter " ? posted by Don on August 05, 2000 at 06:28:11:

Go to http://www.air-arms.com.uk/ It will tell you
the specs on the gun.
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Msg. 271770  Posted by Mitch on August 05, 2000 at 07:12:20:

In Reply to: Re: Price prohibitive? posted by Charlie on August 05, 2000 at 00:04:01:

The kids and parents in question have no idea that they exist?
That may change now that Cabela's catalogs have the RWS branded Careers in them.
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Msg. 271769  Posted by Mitch on August 05, 2000 at 07:08:34:

In Reply to: Re: Daisy 753 and 853...what's the difference? posted by MAD DAWG on August 05, 2000 at 02:12:35:

Great info, Mad Dawg. Especially glad you mentioned cleanliness. Until you mentioned it, I didn't think about the benefits of giving the kids an 853C with pre-loaded clips to eliminate the lead-on-fingers issue.
But please have mercy on us and disengage the caps lock. That was the longest article I ever read in ALL CAPS, and now my eyes hurt.

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Msg. 271768  Posted by Quack on August 05, 2000 at 07:08:28:

In Reply to: Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer posted by Sammy on August 04, 2000 at 15:38:34:

I have a Gas Rammed .177 SS that is producing 14.45 ft-lbs the last time I checked. I would think that the .22 would be even more efficient. Before the gas ram I was getting an average of 13.7 ft-lbs at the muzzle. These are my latest updated numbers. Hope this helps,
Paul in MI
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Re: Brain Pan?


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Msg. 271767  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 05, 2000 at 06:43:37:

In Reply to: Brain Pan? posted by TheMatrix on August 05, 2000 at 06:30:11:

Brain pan is basically the base of the brain (within the skull).
Also, there is the medulla oblangata, which is where the brain and spinal cord meet. If you shoot that, you'll get an instant kill.
I have some information on it - if you want it, then email me (at Volquartsen@hotmail.com).

Chris
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Re: 20 Cal Kodiak and a bit


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Msg. 271766  Posted by morris williams on August 05, 2000 at 06:43:00:

In Reply to: 20 Cal Kodiak and a bit posted by Pel-It on August 05, 2000 at 02:37:10:


Where did you purchase your .20 kodiak? What vel. are you getting with what pellet?


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Msg. 271764  Posted by k1k1 on August 05, 2000 at 06:42:03:

In Reply to: LAZAGLIDE TUNE on R1 posted by Bryan E on August 04, 2000 at 21:03:11:

Bryan,I helped a friend a few years ago install a mag 80 lazer kit in his HW 80 .22 (R1).The transformation was quite stunning and it compares in feel and power (22 ft/lbs) to the gas ram versions,except it is a little easier to cock.
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Msg. 271763  Posted by Tom on August 05, 2000 at 06:40:37:

In Reply to: Airguns for sale or trade, perhaps posted by Hawley on August 03, 2000 at 21:02:28:

nEED aIR aRMS TX 200 with scope
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atlanta ga airgun enthusiast/hunter


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Msg. 271762  Posted by wayne on August 05, 2000 at 06:36:41:

I live in the atlanta area i am looking for someone to show me some interesting new hunting areas and do some plinking.
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Brain Pan?


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Msg. 271761  Posted by TheMatrix on August 05, 2000 at 06:30:11:

Well I tried to search the net for the definition, but cant seem to find it. Can anyone please tell me what the "brain pan" is?

Also, does anyone have any diagrams/pictures of where a groundhog/woodchuck's vital organs are? Including that mysterious brain pan?

I hope to scare all my problematic groudhogs away somehow, or smoke them out, but if all else fails, I'll have to shoot them...

Thanks.
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Msg. 271760  Posted by Don on August 05, 2000 at 06:28:11:

Doesen't sound like a production run, is it custom? Does Jim Maccari provide a custom spring? Whats the muzzle LB.s. Anyone have any info.
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Re: got my 1322 yesterday....


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Msg. 271759  Posted by Doug Owen on August 05, 2000 at 06:18:04:

In Reply to: Re: got my 1322 yesterday.... posted by Cody Dotter on August 04, 2000 at 21:44:10:

No need to apologize, but reflection may be in order.

FWIW, over pumping doesn't really give you more than a very modest increase in velocity, a trivial increase in useful range. It does however, abuse the gun mechanically (which is why it's not recommended).

My point was, 'don't do what the manual says not to...'.

Doug Owen
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Msg. 271758  Posted by Jock on August 05, 2000 at 06:00:21:

In Reply to: Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer posted by Sammy on August 04, 2000 at 15:38:34:

You get buckets of power, less than 7 lbs weight, carbine length, and adjustable power. Plus you can leave it cocked and loaded for as long as you need without worrying about spring set. All for about $220.
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Msg. 271757  Posted by peter huppertz on August 05, 2000 at 05:30:07:

In Reply to: It would have been easier... posted by Steve in CT on August 04, 2000 at 20:55:37:

When I read it, I didn't even wonder, but now that you bring it up, it does have me puzzled why he didn't.
I don't know if it's a brain pan size issue, because it seems as if there is a school of thought that advocates the neck-breaking procedure rather than the grace shot. In the answers that he got, there were a lot of references to the neck-breaking procedure on rabbits that didn't die instantly.

As you know, I know zilch about hunting, so I do not know what to think of this. I have suggested it; if people respond to it with plausibe reasons as to why NOT to di it, I'll let you know.

peter
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Msg. 271756  Posted by peter huppertz on August 05, 2000 at 05:07:30:

In Reply to: Re: British hunting dilemma posted by MarkD on August 04, 2000 at 21:39:19:

I had never heard of anyone taking frontal head shots anyway, so I suspected that something might have been wrong with that. I'll pass the info on.

Thanks!
peter
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Re: Cool! More plastic double action junk to choose from! (n/t)


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Msg. 271755  Posted by minotaur on August 05, 2000 at 05:02:42:

In Reply to: Re: Cool! More plastic double action junk to choose from! (n/t) posted by Catdog on August 04, 2000 at 18:19:07:

I fail to se how a recoiless, plastic Daisy is going to make you better in the real world with a real service pistol. I've shot plenty of "real" guns; rifle, pistol, military and more. I still prefer airguns because they are less expensive, you can shoot more often, in more places and they're just more fun.

Fifty dollars could get you a used Daisy 747, or for the price of four Daisy 400's you could get an IZH-46.

Forget the $1,000 German pistol, try a $300 Czech pistol and you'll know what us nerds are after! They'll also smack around a can (or a rat) just as well as any Daisy 400!
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Re: Are you sure you really want to???


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Msg. 271754  Posted by GMackeddie on August 05, 2000 at 04:39:42:

In Reply to: Re: Are you sure you really want to??? posted by jr99 on August 05, 2000 at 03:29:32:

Ive got a harris bipod on myTX200 and it is ver acurate

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Msg. 271753  Posted by PJ on August 05, 2000 at 04:17:18:

In Reply to: Swift 669MTA came today posted by Mike G on August 05, 2000 at 00:37:55:

Mine is on its way and will replace a BSA scope. Let me know what the morning brings.-----PJ
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Re: what pellet?


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Msg. 271752  Posted by PJ on August 05, 2000 at 04:14:42:

In Reply to: what pellet? posted by 7 on August 05, 2000 at 01:51:06:

My B21 (SuperMax) does like Crosman Premier 10.5 grain dome pellets. However, it also likes the Chinese Domed match pellets.-------PJ
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Re: Are you sure you really want to???


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Msg. 271751  Posted by Bud on August 05, 2000 at 03:53:56:

In Reply to: Re: Are you sure you really want to??? posted by jr99 on August 05, 2000 at 03:29:32:


Yes,I think it'll be ok.Besides I am shooting cans anyway.(35FT)
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Msg. 271750  Posted by jr99 on August 05, 2000 at 03:29:32:

In Reply to: Bipod question posted by Bud on August 05, 2000 at 03:05:26:


The 48 is a magnum springer and even with a tune It has KICK.
Quarters and dimes will be tough at 50yds.
Aloha John
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Msg. 271749  Posted by Bud on August 05, 2000 at 03:05:26:

I got a bipod for my RWS M-48 and how do I put it on the rifle??I see a bolt under the rifle.Can that be taken out??Its a B.Square Bipod and a "sporter"model.It looks easy but I do not know wha
ts that bolt on the bottom??
thanks,
guys


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20 Cal Kodiak and a bit " O " butter


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Msg. 271748  Posted by Pel-It on August 05, 2000 at 02:37:10:

Ever since I built up this 20 cal Kodiak, it had a nasty tendancy to foul up the bore a couple of inches in from the breech; smearing pellet skirts I suspect. With a good scrubbing, I jagged through a patch with a little Bore Butter and wallah, we're up to 40 shots and just starting to see traces of fouling....much better. Went for a walk down a creek bet this aft, lazer rangefinder in hand, spyed a golfball sized rock at 72 yards, dialed in the elevation turret, pulled the trigger and got that oh so rewarding SMACK! back. I do love this gun...
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Msg. 271747  Posted by MAD DAWG on August 05, 2000 at 02:12:35:

In Reply to: Daisy 753 and 853...what's the difference? posted by docwells on August 04, 2000 at 08:58:18:

753 IS A DEFINITE UPGRADE FROM THE 853. SAME ACTION MECHANISM AND BARREL. 753 SIGHTS ARE BETTER - BUT DIFFERENCE IS UNNECESSARY FOR ENTRY LEVEL. 753 STOCK IS MUCH MORE COMPETITION ORIENTED SHAPE AND DESIGN - WITH FAIRLY READY COMPETITION ADJUSTMENTS.
DEPENDING ON AGE-SIZE-STRENGTH OF SHOOTER. 753 MAY BE TOO HEAVY - AND IF YOU WANT TO USE THE GUN AS A SPORTING/OUTDOOR SHOOTING/TRAINER THE 753 WILL BE AWKWARD WHILE THE 853 WILL BE MUCH MORE 'NATURAL'. IN ADDITION, AGAIN DEPENDING ON PHYSICAL FACTORS ABOVE - A YOUNG/SMALL SHOOTER MAY REQUIRE ASSISTANCE IN OPERATING THE COMPRESSION HANDLE, OF EITHER MODEL (SAME ACTION, DIFFERENT STOCK AND ACCESSORIES).
ALSO - 753 ONLY AVAILABLE WITH THE 853-SINGLE SHOT ACTION. THESE ARE PRETTY 'FIDDLEY' TO LOAD.
THE 853-C (CLIP FED VERSION) IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO. EASIER TO KEEP TRACK OF SHOTS FIRED- IS THE GUN LOADED? EASIER TO OPERATE. A POCKET FULL OF LOADED CLIPS KEEPS EVERYTHING CLEAN AND EASILY AVAILABLE.
VELOCITY IN EITHER GUN APPR 500fps + OR - DEPENDING ON PELLET.
AS A SINGLE-STROKE PNUEMATIC - YOU CAN PUT ABOUT ANY OLD (SHORT RANGE FOCUSED) SCOPE ON IT, (NO ABUSE AS WITH SPRINGERS) AND DO IT WITH REGULAR .22 MOUNTS AS WELL.
MECHANISM IS SIMPLE - RELIABLE - TOUGH - AND EASY TO MAINTAIN.
VERY EASY TO REWORK TRIGGER TO A VERY CLEAN LET OFF, YET SAFE & SECURE, CLEAR DOWN TO THE OUNCES RANGE - AS A STARTER KEEP IT AT 2.5 POUNDS OR MORE.

OUR CLUB HAS 19 OF THESE GUNS. I TEACH WITH THEM AND MAINTAIN THEM. THEY'RE EXCELLENT. I LUV'EM.
I OWN ONE, AND HAVE GIVEN ONE TO EACH OF THE GRANDKIDS AS THEY BECAME INTERESTED IN SHOOTING.

RE 853 ON AUCTION - READ DESCRIPTION - GUN MALFUNCTIONS DANGEROUSLY. PROBABLY READILY REPAIRABLE IF.......

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Msg. 271746  Posted by 7 on August 05, 2000 at 01:51:06:

of the gamo and copperhead pellets, which ones are best for the super max?
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Re: Daisy 777 Target pistol? Opinions? Accuracy? nt


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Msg. 271745  Posted by MAD DAWG on August 05, 2000 at 01:47:06:

In Reply to: Daisy 777 Target pistol? Opinions? Accuracy? nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 04, 2000 at 14:03:35:

ACCURACY - EXCELLENT
MECHANISM & MAINTENANCE - SIMPLE
TRIGGER - ADEQUATE TO VERY GOOD 'OUT OF THE BOX'
SIMPLE TO IMPROVE
VELOCITY - LOW END OF '10 MTR CLASS' PISTOLS
400fps + OR - DEPENDING ON PELLET
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Re: Nightforce scopes, they used to be mentioned here quite often...


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Msg. 271744  Posted by M Boyle on August 05, 2000 at 01:46:41:

In Reply to: Nightforce scopes, they used to be mentioned here quite often... posted by Douglas Clark on August 04, 2000 at 12:23:28:

Doug the old FT is what we spout off about goes for $600-$800 used, focuses to 10 yrds..new ones dont ..maybe a tweaked one may
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Re: What sight HELP!!!!


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Msg. 271743  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 05, 2000 at 01:42:38:

In Reply to: Re: What sight HELP!!!! posted by greg on August 04, 2000 at 21:56:18:

Midway is a retail store, that sells tonnes of shooting stuff.
Go to the below link:
www.midwayusa.com

Chris

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Enough with the woodchucks already!


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Msg. 271742  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 01:26:33:

In Reply to: Re: Air Arms Pro-Elite or TX200 posted by TheReayMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 21:21:51:

Yes- they could kill a chuck IF you lace the shot perfectly. If you aren't an ace shot, and if you don't know exactly where the animals vitals are- don't risk it ! Woodchucks are tough with rimfires, let alone an airgun. I've said this 100 times lately if I've said it once; and not just herem but on other forums as well. The PE. being AA's most potent springer, would be first choice of the two. Regards, Russ
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Re: Beeman Pellets


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Msg. 271741  Posted by Bob the Nailer on August 05, 2000 at 01:23:40:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman Pellets posted by Cody Dotter on August 04, 2000 at 06:41:55:

Yes, Yes, Yes! Couldn't be any better for head
shots on ducks and geese. I do this for a living
here in Alaska.

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Msg. 271740  Posted by RBesty on August 05, 2000 at 01:21:33:

In Reply to: Re: Any opinions on the old FWB 124 ??? posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 01:19:52:

nt
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Msg. 271739  Posted by RBest on August 05, 2000 at 01:19:52:

In Reply to: Any opinions on the old FWB 124 ??? posted by TCooper on August 05, 2000 at 00:38:31:

Todd: it's always been a first gun. Last year, there was lots of talk about them here because the value has really jumped up on the FWB124D's> Factory velocity was rated at 815 fps and accuracy was rated better than the fabled R-7. I've had one since '78 or 79 and it's a fine airgun. I've since added a Maccari kit to it and it now shoots Premiers at 850 fps. Very easy cocking (easier than an R-9. The factory spring was as easy to cock as an R-7. The first of the 'true magnums', in that it could shoot faster than 800 fps. It was eventually overshadowed by the R-1 which was introduced around '80, '81; and because of this, sales slowed and Beeman eventually dropped the 124's. Some new guns were sold from shelf stock until around '85. RB
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Msg. 271738  Posted by JPF on August 05, 2000 at 01:01:23:

In Reply to: Re: Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer posted by LarryH on August 04, 2000 at 16:08:28:

nt
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Re: Any opinions on the old FWB 124 ???


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Msg. 271737  Posted by Mike G on August 05, 2000 at 00:50:28:

In Reply to: Any opinions on the old FWB 124 ??? posted by TCooper on August 05, 2000 at 00:38:31:

I had one. Great gun traded it in on a R10 it was getting weak. Knowing what I do now I would have kept it.
And still bought the R10. Parts are getting hard to find,very well made shot as good as the R10 but was only shooting in the upper 600s fps
and i didn't want to wait. I think the trigger is better on the R10
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Re: British hunting dilemma


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Msg. 271736  Posted by David Bruce on August 05, 2000 at 00:39:22:

In Reply to: British hunting dilemma posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 19:39:51:

My solution to injured rabbits is named Sarge, a 90 lb German Shepherd. After I shoot, it takes him 2 to 3 seconds and CRUNCH, no more suffering.
1 to 2 min. later its gone. Time from first shot to stomach is less than trying to break its neck.
Good luck hunting. Dave
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Msg. 271735  Posted by TCooper on August 05, 2000 at 00:38:31:

A local gunshop has a used FWB 124 for sale. The gun looks great on the outside. Obviously a closet storage gun.
I don't hear much about this gun on the forum.

Are there any inherit problems with the 124?

How is the reputation for accuracy?

Opinions/Info would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Todd

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Msg. 271734  Posted by Mike G on August 05, 2000 at 00:37:55:

I can't wait for morning.I took the 3-9 sportview off the R10 and put the swift 6-18 on tonight.
From what I can tell indoors the swift doesn't focus as close but it seens a lot clearer and tighter
I can't wait to see how it holds it's adjustments has to be better than the sportview's wanderings.
It looks to be as good or better than the 6-18 I have on my 220 swift and about $200.00 cheaper.
Morning will tell.
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Re: Kodiak in .20cal possible?


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Msg. 271733  Posted by K Bailey on August 05, 2000 at 00:36:01:

In Reply to: Kodiak in .20cal possible? posted by Douglas Clark on August 04, 2000 at 12:32:16:

There was a guy on the fourm out here about 4 or 5 months ago with a semi-custom .20 Kodiak. Gas ram, Walther barrel and triger tune, I think JM or D.Slade bulit it for him. He loved it by all the post's. The chrono numbers were CPs at 908 avg. and 1.25" groups at 80y. I figured he just never tryed the RWS .25s, got soured and made a cal. decision to long ranger.Hope this helps, sounds expensive to build.


Regards KB
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Re: ELEY Wasp Domes, 177cal,, 7.3gr,,any good in lower powered guns???


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Msg. 271732  Posted by TCooper on August 05, 2000 at 00:32:38:

In Reply to: ELEY Wasp Domes, 177cal,, 7.3gr,,any good in lower powered guns??? posted by McClure on August 04, 2000 at 19:15:55:

I have a P-3 and some Eleys kicking around somewhere. I'll have to try the combination out some time.
I have had great results with CPLs and supermatch from my P-3. The Meisterkugeln pistol(7.7) are okay too.
My P-3 even does okay with a few different pointed pellets(Ruko and RWS).
You can get the Eley pellets for cheap in Canada. At GUNS and THINGS in Calgary, Alberta they sell for $4.00 per tin Canadian dollars. I think you multiply by .73 for the U.S. price. Hmmmm that's $2.92 per tin U.S. dollars.
FWIW,
Todd
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Msg. 271731  Posted by K Bailey on August 05, 2000 at 00:04:35:

In Reply to: Trying, choke, to compare 2250 to Quack .25 - 2240... posted by Willey M on August 04, 2000 at 18:35:02:

Very unreal preformance from these Quacks,30 yards and in is like rifle type groups. Thay live in the feild on Diana's, but have you shot the 35.2g Korean rounds? The fit is great, inside 15y is same scope setting and very hard thunker. Take a few along for the game bigger than grackes and starlings, its more humane and you may like the switch between 20g and 35g in feild situations.


Regards KB
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Msg. 271730  Posted by Charlie on August 05, 2000 at 00:04:01:

In Reply to: Price prohibitive? posted by Jim R on August 02, 2000 at 21:34:05:

What's your guess then w/regards to the fact that we don't see spoiled
rich kids running around with Career 9mm's? Seriously, I'd like to hear
it.

Charlie


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Msg. 271729  Posted by John Sa. on August 05, 2000 at 00:01:26:

In Reply to: Ref: FBI Files Link ... CAUTION posted by JohnD on August 04, 2000 at 23:45:40:

I agree, that's why I gave them your information instead of mine...
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Re: Any truth to spring set?


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Msg. 271728  Posted by WZ on August 04, 2000 at 23:50:54:

In Reply to: Re: Any truth to spring set? posted by Stocky on August 04, 2000 at 18:44:26:

right
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Msg. 271727  Posted by W. Zinger on August 04, 2000 at 23:48:52:

In Reply to: Yeah, we all miss him Tony. posted by Willey M on August 04, 2000 at 19:54:49:

Can you elaborate?
Is that anyway to talk about the dead?

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Msg. 271726  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 23:47:25:

In Reply to: Re: Any truth to spring set? - Yes but it is still interesting. posted by Jim P on August 04, 2000 at 22:45:03:

Jim: when a spring is set during manufacturing, it isn't continuously compressed, but rather compressed for a moment or two then released so that it will spring out to it's working length. Stacking the coils solid for 10 years, would most definitely have a deleterious affect. Earlier, someone mentioned automotive valve springs. These springs are different than airgun springs, For one thing- valve stroke is very short compared to the springs size. Many magnum springers have a comparatively longer stroke, and a lot more space bewteen the coils to allow this. When continually compressed, the spring will eventually NOT return to it's full working length, because the grain of the material will eventually, thru fatigue and stress,will lose "it's memory". Regards, Russ
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Msg. 271725  Posted by Warren Zinger on August 04, 2000 at 23:47:08:

In Reply to: Cody you'll never see a PE for $220 HA HA HA!!! posted by dave on August 04, 2000 at 21:59:40:

Try the new PE Hunter, its easier to cock and more powerful than the standard PE. Check your local stockist.
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Msg. 271724  Posted by JohnD on August 04, 2000 at 23:45:40:

Just a note that although the "FBI" site listed earlier today is/can be a good practical joke or a wake up call.. it may not be innocent....

This site could be collecting data for a mailing list to sell or worse, for identity theft...JUST BE CAREFUL....(I say could since I have no knowlege of the site, but....)

Note that you delivered your 1st three digits of your SSN, Your Name, and DOB. These can be used to quickly identify you..... States often use/put SSN on various public documents (court documents, property liens, property titles, marriage & dirver's licenses, etc). If they don't list the full SSN, they may list the last four digits to "positively identify" a person. If I have the first three digits, date of birth, and can use public records to get the last four, that leaves minimal (I won't say how much) work to figure out the rest. With a SSN number and some other easily obtainable information, Identify theft becomes a reality. Until you've had this happen to you, you can't imagine how horrible and debilitating it can be. Very, very difficult to recover from. This crime has escalated to such a level that the Social Security Administration is now issueing new SSNs to people so they can get a "fresh start" and start rebuilding their credit/etc.

BIG DISCLAIMER: I do not imply that this site or any other site is in the process of obtaining any personnel information for any legal or illegal purpose. My intent is simply to warn people that they need to be very careful about what information they make public over the WWW.

Fortuneately, most people are honest, but the few dishonest can wreck havoc on the many.

For more information, just do a search on Identity Theft for some not so fun reading....

Remember, nothing sent over the WWW is secure, the entire network is Public and worse, virtually ALL traffic is stored......
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Msg. 271723  Posted by Derrin on August 04, 2000 at 23:44:34:

In Reply to: Re: SLR 98 dilemma.... don't be confused by numbers. posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 23:29:59:

Actually I am not worried about figuring the trajectory. That part is easy for me. What I was concerned about was the power delivered to game at 40 yds. Once again Russ you have given me some good insight . Thanks
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Msg. 271722  Posted by John Sa. on August 04, 2000 at 23:38:15:

In Reply to: To everybody that has a scoped Crosman 1377... posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:22:00:

Josh, this goes back to the plastic receiver problem I mentioned earlier. The receiver is the only thing that holds the rear of the barrel in place. It won't take much stress without loosening up.
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Msg. 271721  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 23:34:40:

In Reply to: Hmmm,well I cant use the 1377's crappy sights... posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 22:29:23:

Josh: a Peep sight may be the best bet for the Crosman. For $10, you can get the Crosman 0411 all metal peep sight, that is a great deal, from Golden Toller Huns. Russ
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Msg. 271720  Posted by Tim S on August 04, 2000 at 23:34:24:

In Reply to: Re: 1961 Crosman Model 150 posted by David Bruce on August 04, 2000 at 22:34:38:

I would keep a charger co2 in the gun at all times this will usually keep the seals good
as for the blue I use a light coat of rem-oil from
remington keeps the gun looking good. If you decide to sell let me know I
will double your money
Happy collecting
Tim S
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Msg. 271718  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 23:29:59:

In Reply to: SLR 98 dilema......................... posted by Derrin on August 04, 2000 at 23:20:11:

Derrin: that velocity is adequate for most all "airgun rated" game. The British hunt with sub 12 ft/lb guns all the time, and take game at 40 yards. I myself have taken crows and squirrels at that distance, with a .22 of equal power and have no difficulty doing so. Many shooters (includes airgunners) get into velocity races with their guns, and it really isn't necessary. They use velocity as a subsitute for skill. There is no difference between learning the ballistics involved between a faster .177 or a slower .22. The fact is: once a trajectory is known,you will hit your target. A slower .22 isn't harder to learn. It's flight path merely uses different numbers. Proper practice will teach you the trajectory, and once it's learned, Old Crow will never know the difference. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 271717  Posted by Tom B on August 04, 2000 at 23:24:40:

In Reply to: Pigeons, chucks and getting newbies hooked! posted by Whiteleather on August 04, 2000 at 23:16:31:

Nice to see ya checking back in ........Archery is fun no matter the traditional method or for a lack of words "modern" nuthing wrong with eather
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Msg. 271716  Posted by Derrin on August 04, 2000 at 23:20:11:

The " Our Take " section at Straight shooters site does have a really good review of the SLR 98. I really think that this is a neat gun , but it appears that the average velocity is about 650 fps. This really seems slow to me . Does anyone have any insight to .22 cal shooting at this speed ??????????
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Msg. 271715  Posted by Whiteleather on August 04, 2000 at 23:16:31:

Nice to see the same names on the board. I have not been doing much airgunning since I picked up traditional archery.

Quite a grisly week at my home. My battle with the pigeons continues. I managed a head shot on a pigeon 28m away and at a 30deg angle. Also dropped a pigeon with a body shot at the same location. These were with a scoped RWS 38 in .177. Took a chuck at point blank range. Not very sporting, but I could take no chances with my foundation at risk.

The dog of death continues to up the standard of varmint dispatch. He managed to crush a 20 lb male raccoon (in good health) in a fair fight. I stood helpless with my BenSher .22 because there was no clear shot. Balzac got bit quite a lot, and eventually just grabbed the nasty bugger by the head crushed it. Easily the nastiest thing I have ever witnessed.


This week I also had visitors with kids. 11 year old nephews were hitting 2" dia washers with RWS 24 and RWS 38 pretty regularly out to 15 meters within the first ten seconds of shooting.

My Bro in law pulled off a genius shot at 35 meters to hit a 2 x 3 inch target with iron sights. He was using the RWS 24 .177. Still my favorite plinker.


The brother in law and nephews were so impressed with the simple mechanics and consistent placement using springers, they begged to get in on the "secret society of airgunners". I promptly gave them this url.

Keep up your usual high standards of newbie guidance and information.

For those of you looking for a fresh start in the shooting sports, I suggest looking at traditional archery: no sights, no scopes, no pulleys, no kidding. Your first stop should be: http://www.women-outdoors.com/bowyers.htm

Cheers and happy hunting,

Kris Whiteleather

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Msg. 271714  Posted by Eric P. on August 04, 2000 at 23:02:20:

In Reply to: Re: Cody you'll never see a PE for $220 HA HA HA!!! posted by TheRealMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 22:40:18:

Dave- You are correct on all points, but you didn't have to be so mean to him about it.

Cody- You'd probably be better saving up your money if you want to hunt woodchucks. Can't you settle for smaller animals? I can't see any gun within that range or even under $500 that you could cock( I know you said you're pretty strong, I thought so too when I was that age, but unless you're superman, an 11 year old kid ain't gonna cock anything that takes much more than 35 lbs of force.)
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Msg. 271713  Posted by Uncle Wor Bucks on August 04, 2000 at 23:02:05:

In Reply to: Re: Cody you'll never see a PE for $220 HA HA HA!!! posted by TheRealMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 22:40:18:

The SS is an entry level. Have your parents help you out with this
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Msg. 271712  Posted by Jim P on August 04, 2000 at 22:45:03:

In Reply to: Any truth to spring set? posted by Barry on August 04, 2000 at 17:40:13:

Barry,

I agree with Stocky - Tom Gaylord did do the experiment and wrote it up in the R1 Book.

However it is still an interesting subject as to why a spring would take a set (or wear out at all.) You should know that when a spring is made (usually) it is made too long and then compressed to coil on coil (solid) to set its length. So when you compress it you are not "overstressing it" so it would take a set. But metals are really a bunch of crystals packed together and it is the shifting of tiny little crystals one on the other by localized stress caused by vibration and temperature that causes a spring to take a set (and break.) Perhaps if you compressed your spring and it stayed at exactly the same temperature for 10 years it would be no worse off than if you had just compressed it and released it. I'll have to reread that section in Tom's book - I think that he did try to cause temperature stress. Springs with the "best" crystals win.

It is still an interesting subject.

Jim P.

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Msg. 271711  Posted by TheRealMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 22:40:18:

In Reply to: Cody you'll never see a PE for $220 HA HA HA!!! posted by dave on August 04, 2000 at 21:59:40:

I'm 11 years old. I know I couldn't get one thay
cheap. :-( Just wanted to try anyways. It's not
that heavy. I can shoot a heavy 2 barrel shotgun.
I probably could cock one. I'm pretty strong. Is a
BSA SuperSport in .22 cal. as accurate as a PE in
.22 cal.? I couldn't get a PE anyways 'cause I
don't have a scope. And it doesn't have open sights.
I have a question. How in the world can you guys
afford such expensive stuff!? $400 - $500! You must
be rich.

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Msg. 271710  Posted by David Bruce on August 04, 2000 at 22:34:38:

In Reply to: Re: 1961 Crosman Model 150 posted by Tim S on August 04, 2000 at 22:03:27:

I collect, mostly knifes. I have 6 airguns from Crosman 1377 to a Farco shotgun. The Farco is mostly for collecting due to it's uniqueness. I do shoot it occasionally. I just ordered a Steyr LP10P, will receive it in a week.
I think I will put this away and keep it a while. I paid 40$ for it.
There is one small spot of rust on the breech plug, hardly noticable.
What is the best way to preserve this so it doesn't rust more.
Should I use a special oil? How about preserving the seals so they don't dry out?
Thanks for the info. Dave

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Msg. 271709  Posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 22:32:27:

In Reply to: Air Arms Web site???????? posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 22:13:08:

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Msg. 271707  Posted by cvarcher on August 04, 2000 at 22:29:45:

In Reply to: British hunting dilemma posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 19:39:51:

Hey dont sweat it! All hunters have at some time or other had not so clean a kill.After all no ones perfect.I take alot of bunnies with a hawk. Hate to tell you but he really eats em alive sometimes.Ive seen my goshawk take bites out of the heart of game that is torn open in the chest cavity while the game is still alive ,calm(shock) and waiting to pass on to the better life.This is not cruel, its the way Nature intended, and needs no analysis.
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Msg. 271706  Posted by Simon Slick on August 04, 2000 at 22:29:40:

In Reply to: water in gun posted by steve on August 04, 2000 at 22:02:54:

Just kidding. Just shake the water off and shoot it a couple of times to clear the chamber of any moisture. Make sure that you wipe the gun down with an oily rag as soon as you can. SSlick
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Msg. 271705  Posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 22:29:23:

In Reply to: Re: Do you know if this happens on the B/S Rifles to?... posted by Steve B. on August 04, 2000 at 22:20:21:

So would my Crosman red dot sight work better,as it is lighter than the scope?

I only have one set of B272 mounts so I'll be switching them over to the Steriod 392 when it gets here anyway and I'll be using a BSA 3-12x44 AO scope on it.

Any chance of the scoped 1377 grouping good?

Thanks-Josh P.
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Msg. 271704  Posted by TheRealMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 22:29:09:

In Reply to: Air Arms Web site???????? posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 22:13:08:

It's http://www.air-arms.co.uk/
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Msg. 271703  Posted by Chavez on August 04, 2000 at 22:28:24:

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Msg. 271702  Posted by Steve B. on August 04, 2000 at 22:20:21:

In Reply to: Do you know if this happens on the B/S Rifles to?... posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 22:02:13:

Josh: No problem with B/S because the barrels are soldiered to the pump tube. A worst case senario is that the soldier joint could crack (it's been know to happen with or without a scope). Use a light scope and don't use it as a handle.

I don't think there's room for larger screw heads in the 1377. It's the plastic receiver thats also part of the problem - it's kind of squishy. I've got a 130 that I tried a scope on and it did the same thing (it has a steel breech). All Crosmans suffer from this problem. The barrel is only secured by a simple clamp (usually plastic today) and the two screw at the breech. The pumper barrels just slipped into a ring at the muzzle, they weren't clamped. Any thing heave thats clamped to the barrel or receiver is going to allow the barrel to roll a bit.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 271701  Posted by Penn on August 04, 2000 at 22:19:40:

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Msg. 271700  Posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 22:13:08:

Can someone give me the Air Arms Web site?

Thanks

Gary
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Msg. 271699  Posted by Tim S on August 04, 2000 at 22:03:27:

In Reply to: 1961 Crosman Model 150 posted by David Bruce on August 04, 2000 at 15:20:08:

I will start by telling you that crosman made a bunch of
varations of the gun you speak of. It is a classic
You have a nice gun it sound like. I would personally pay
about $75-100 for a gun in the condition described. It is a
good gun. Are you a collecter or a shooter. If your a shooter
sell the one you have to a collecter, Then buy one that has
been used. I am a shooter/collecter.
I hope I was of help
Thanks
Tim S
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Msg. 271698  Posted by steve on August 04, 2000 at 22:02:54:

I have an rws 34 and was wondering what would happen if water got inside my gun? (other than rusting) what if the gun was quickly submerged in water accidently, or if it got very wet in the rain? would the chamber be damaged if it was fired? or would all the excess water in the chamber be blown out with the pellet?
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Msg. 271697  Posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 22:02:13:

In Reply to: Re: To everybody that has a scoped Crosman 1377... posted by Steve B. on August 04, 2000 at 21:50:59:

I hope it doesnt happen when my new Steriod Ben/Sher 392 gets here from Mac1!

I havnt tried to sight in the 1377/scope combo,am I right in assuming that it wont consistantly group good?Would screws with bigger heads in the reciever fix the problem?

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Msg. 271696  Posted by Dave L on August 04, 2000 at 22:01:23:

In Reply to: British hunting dilemma posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 19:39:51:

compared to a natural death of slow, half frozen to death starvation over several hours doesn't seem all that bad. That's how I cope with it. Maybe that will put it in perspective for him. Also, I would guess that after having a .22 cal pellet traverse the skull, the rabbit doesn't have any feelings, just a sort of numb, half out of it ability to struggle. Hope that helps him.
Dave
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Msg. 271695  Posted by dave on August 04, 2000 at 21:59:40:

In Reply to: Re: Air Arms Pro-Elite or TX200 posted by TheRealMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 21:25:40:

You crack me up to think you can get a pro elite
for $220. You must be either very young or very stupid.
$400 to $500 for the condition you will (allow)
is the best you are going to do, so save your pennies,
stay in school and practice your spelling.
You probably couldn't cock a PE anyway.
Did you check how much one weighs? It's a very large rifle.
Start with something a little more in your
weight range and price range.
Remember, selling to a minor is very illegal in most states.
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Msg. 271694  Posted by greg on August 04, 2000 at 21:56:18:

In Reply to: Re: What sight HELP!!!! posted by Doug Law on August 04, 2000 at 21:51:25:

Is midway a web sight?are they better then crossman?
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Msg. 271693  Posted by Lee Chastant on August 04, 2000 at 21:56:04:

In Reply to: RWS 48 posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 19:08:21:

Matt, I also have a .22 cal 48 & recently put a Swift 6X18 from Silver Streak Sports on it. This is a great scope, very clear & bright optics, comes with a no problems on a 48 guarantee from both Swift and Marty at Silver Streak. It cost me about $165, which I think included shipping. Just a suggestion - I really like my Swift! Have a good one!
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Msg. 271692  Posted by Greg on August 04, 2000 at 21:52:52:

In Reply to: To everybody that has a scoped Crosman 1377... posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:22:00:

I think i had a crossman scope on it,since im from canada
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Msg. 271691  Posted by Doug Law on August 04, 2000 at 21:51:25:

In Reply to: Re: What sight HELP!!!! posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:40:25:

Try a Simmons and I think youll like the quality better. or get a Bushnell 4-12 for about $75 from Midway.

Good Luck
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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Msg. 271690  Posted by Steve B. on August 04, 2000 at 21:50:59:

In Reply to: To everybody that has a scoped Crosman 1377... posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:22:00:

Josh: Yes they do and thats why I took the scope off. The problem is in the design of the gun, not in the mount. The barrel can roll inside the front sight/front barrel mount and the weight of the scope is enough to allow the breech end to pivot on those pathetic little screws at the breech.

The only solution is to pot the entire barrel assembly in epoxy along with the scope mount. Good luck...

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 271689  Posted by Doug Law on August 04, 2000 at 21:49:20:

In Reply to: Cometa air rifle anyone heard of them, any good? (nt) posted by daisy on August 04, 2000 at 21:45:39:

Daisy-The Cometa are made in spain and popular in Ebngladnd. the Cometa 300 breakbarrl is supposed to shoot at 760 fps and the Cometa 100 about 659.

If I were looking in that price range, I'd spring (pun intended) for a RWS 34 or better yet a BSA Supersport which you can buy brand new for under $200 as I recall. I hope that hel[ps.

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Msg. 271688  Posted by Greg S on August 04, 2000 at 21:49:08:

Does anyone out there have apistol with a lazer scope? how is it?
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Msg. 271687  Posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:47:41:

In Reply to: Re: What sight HELP!!!! posted by Greg on August 04, 2000 at 21:43:38:

Cool,what scope did you have on it?Did you hunt with it?I only plan to use it for a close range pigeon,starling and rat buster.

I have the shoulder stock and a 3-9x Simmons scope on mine,the barrel can twist if you let the scope lean to one side...

Josh P.
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Msg. 271686  Posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 21:46:36:

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Msg. 271685  Posted by Greg on August 04, 2000 at 21:46:00:

In Reply to: To everybody that has a scoped Crosman 1377... posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:22:00:

I had one with a scope and a shoulder stock good little gun.
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Msg. 271684  Posted by daisy on August 04, 2000 at 21:45:39:

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Msg. 271683  Posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 21:44:54:

In Reply to: Re: Russ, How bout the Superstar?????Thumbs posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 18:54:05:

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Msg. 271682  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 04, 2000 at 21:44:10:

In Reply to: Re: got my 1322 yesterday.... posted by Doug Owen on August 03, 2000 at 00:35:55:

Sorry Doug. :-( I was just telling people that I can.
I rarley do it unless I want to shoot far. I've only
pumped it more than the manual says like 5 times
in the 2 years I've had the gun.
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Msg. 271681  Posted by Greg on August 04, 2000 at 21:43:38:

In Reply to: Re: What sight HELP!!!! posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:40:25:

I had a 1377/177 with a Scope and a shoulder stock.Good little gun

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Msg. 271679  Posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 21:41:18:

In Reply to: Re: R9 Maintenance posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 18:29:54:

N/T
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Msg. 271678  Posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:40:25:

In Reply to: What sight HELP!!!! posted by Greg S on August 04, 2000 at 21:36:38:

I have never used one but you should look at the Gamo airgun scopes,I think they have a 4x and a 3-7 one,both have AO.

I while back someone here said they used one on a medium power springer,so it should work fine fore your gun.

HTH-Josh P.
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Msg. 271677  Posted by Greg on August 04, 2000 at 21:40:18:

In Reply to: To everybody that has a scoped Crosman 1377... posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:22:00:

I don,t think so
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Msg. 271676  Posted by MarkD on August 04, 2000 at 21:39:19:

In Reply to: British hunting dilemma posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 19:39:51:

Peter if I ahd to guess I bet the pellet went under the brain pan. I would also have to say (Mike I need your backing here)never take frontal head shots! The skull has to much deflection abilities also the brain pan (at this angle) is a smaller target.
Things like these do happen to all hunters this is how we educate our self "learning from our mistakes"
A good frontal shot should be taken through the chest This will insure a quick kill. Broadside shots go for the head between the eye and the ear this spells lights out!!!
Hope this helps
MarkD
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Msg. 271675  Posted by Greg S on August 04, 2000 at 21:36:38:

I have a daisy 990 dual power air rifle 650/ft does any body no a good scope for a gun like this,doig a little hunting and target practice. Thanks
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Msg. 271674  Posted by TheRealMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 21:34:02:

In Reply to: Beeman Pellets posted by Cody Dotter on August 03, 2000 at 18:56:32:

Would the Beeman Kodiaks and Crow Magnums work in a
Air Arms TX200 or a Pro-Elite in .22 cal.? What will
the FPE and the FPS be in both of the guns using
the Crow Magnums and the Kodiaks?
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Msg. 271673  Posted by TheRealMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 21:25:40:

In Reply to: Air Arms Pro-Elite or TX200 posted by TheRealMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 20:18:41:

CRAP!!! I keep on forgetting to say things and then
I post them latter so it looks like I post a zillion
messages. Well what I want to say is there any form
of open sights I can buy for the TX200 or the Pro-Elite?
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Msg. 271672  Posted by Josh P. on August 04, 2000 at 21:22:00:

Is it normal for the barrel itself to be able to wiggle side to side when you have a scope on the gun?

Thanks-Josh P.
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Msg. 271671  Posted by TheReayMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 21:21:51:

In Reply to: Re: Air Arms Pro-Elite or TX200 posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 20:24:34:

How much foot lbs of energy does a TX200 have in .22
cal.? Could a TX200 and a Pro-Elite kill a woodchuck?
How fast do each of the guns shoot in .22 cal.? How
big are the groups of each of the guns shoot at 50
yards?
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Msg. 271670  Posted by John Congleton on August 04, 2000 at 21:12:34:

In Reply to: Re: And that's all I have to say about that: ;-) posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 10:52:53:


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Msg. 271669  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 04, 2000 at 21:11:47:

Any new guns coming out this year or the begining
of next year. So you know my tastes, I have the
following. Crow Magnum in .20 w/ B&L 3000 Elite 4-12x,
an FWB 300s w/ Bushnell Trophy 6-18x, Pro Elite .22
w/ Bushnell Trophy 4-12x, TX200HC .22 w/ Bushnell
Trophy 4-12x, Blue Streak .20 w/ Tasco 4x, Daisy
CO2 semi-auto bb pistol and a P1 .177 with Beeman
2x pistol scope.
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Msg. 271668  Posted by bcd on August 04, 2000 at 21:05:25:

In Reply to: Dammit, I didn't say I CARRIED it, I leave it in the truck while I'm shooting!.... [GRIN!] posted by Uncle Gary on August 04, 2000 at 12:29:03:

Hey, let's think this through, carrying it in the
field might make some sense:
1. Strain gauge and 3-axis vibe accel mounted on the gun
and wired through inst. amps. to the inputs.
2. Microswitch behind trigger to 'trigger' the scope.

Quick spectral analysis of the response provides
instant insight into gun performance.

There are probably some other sensors notions worth
exploring, but dinner is being served down in the
community room here at the home.
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Msg. 271667  Posted by Bryan E on August 04, 2000 at 21:03:11:

I would like to know how you like the Venon LAZAGLIDE Magnum tune from Mac1 on an R1? How does it compare with a gas spring system?
Thanks,
Bryan
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Msg. 271666  Posted by Steve in CT on August 04, 2000 at 20:55:37:

In Reply to: British hunting dilemma posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 19:39:51:

What was this guy thinking man... Was he short of additional pellets or what? Has he heard of Russ' coup de grace? He could have ended the bunnies trouble with another quick shot in the brain pan but by the sounds of it he doesn't have any brain pan himself to know what it is heheh
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Msg. 271665  Posted by SSlick on August 04, 2000 at 20:43:46:

In Reply to: Re: Rust on Barrel posted by Cody Dotter on August 04, 2000 at 18:07:26:

Eraser removes rust, but, also removes bluing. SSlick
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Msg. 271664  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 20:24:34:

In Reply to: Air Arms Pro-Elite or TX200 posted by TheRealMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 20:18:41:

The Pro Elite is closer to 20 ft/lbs in .22 caliber. The TX's usually run around 15 to 16 ft/lbs in .177. Both are accurate, but the TX has the edge. RB
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Msg. 271663  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 04, 2000 at 20:23:55:

In Reply to: British hunting dilemma posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 19:39:51:

I'm thirtyone now and have been hunting small game
since I was 7 or 8. I'll never for get the first
rabbit that I shot. I scoped him up with my sheridan
bluestreak I was about 15-20yds max. I squeezed of
the shot and then I heard this horrific scream. I
thought for sure that I had just missed that rabbit
and hit some kid(for a 7-8yr old this is scarry!!)
I froze for a second and then I realized it was the
rabbit. In those 15 seconds or so (lifetime it seemed)
I thought the world would end. I went home with rabbit
in tow in one hand and my Blue Streak in the other.
I talked with my dad for a while about what had happened.
Essentially there's no short answer. Right it of as
a freak thing. It's more likely that he'll win a lottery
state side (USA) than that happening ever again. In
a week or so if it is still tormenting him he may
want to forget hunting and compete instead. Some people
that shoot should not hunt, not because they're not
capable of making the shot. It's because of something
inside their psych.
I'm still hunting and I love it for what it is. If
you think this will help, by all means pass it on.
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Msg. 271662  Posted by Bob LeDoux on August 04, 2000 at 20:19:51:

In Reply to: Re: Rebuilding Dad’s Old Crosman 140-LONG posted by DT Fletcher on August 04, 2000 at 09:55:49:

It looks like the repair kit I received has a new seal for the Exhaust Valve Cap Assembly, part 140-70. It looks like the old seal was mounted by placing it in the valve cap and then rounding the brass edge while turning the thing in a lathe.

Am I correct? Is there a procedure for replacing the seal? It looks like I could file off the old burnished edge, pull the seal out, put a new one in and do a burnish job on the lathe.
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Msg. 271661  Posted by TheRealMcCoy (Cody) on August 04, 2000 at 20:18:41:

Which is more accurate at 50 yards? A Air Arms TX200
or a Pro-Elite? How many fps does a Pro-Elite shoot?
And does the Pro-Elite really shoot 22 foot lbs.?

'THEREALMCCOY' :^@
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Msg. 271660  Posted by Roland Martens on August 04, 2000 at 20:10:16:

In Reply to: Re: .20 and .22 posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 18:40:42:

Russ is right.
A certain springer type will have the same powerplant in all the calibers, thus when compressed, the air is able to excert the same pressure on the back of the pellet. But what propels the pellet is force = pressure x pellet cross section. Therefore, if a .20 cal pellet does weight the same than a .22, it has to come out slower.

What happens on flight has already been said. But flatter trajectory, not necessaryly. What defines how flat the trajectory is, is only the flight time to the target. Maybe a fast starting pellet, even if it looses velocity (energy) faster than a slower one (heavier)will still be able to reach the target in a shorter time!


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Msg. 271659  Posted by 1377 maniac on August 04, 2000 at 20:05:08:

In Reply to: Got a rat with my Crosman 1377 today... posted by Josh P. on August 03, 2000 at 20:48:13:

Mice too! load up with 3 bbs for close range
"hosing"
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Msg. 271658  Posted by Willey M on August 04, 2000 at 19:54:49:

In Reply to: I didn't know he was for real? posted by Tony K on August 04, 2000 at 19:05:33:

He was a legend. I didn't realize this before.

However, he came here and lied. Said everything was fine and all banished could return. That wasn't funny.

So for the folks that miss him, my condolances.

As for me and the rest of us....PARTAAAAAAAY!...Willey M
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Msg. 271657  Posted by Roland Martens on August 04, 2000 at 19:54:12:

In Reply to: RWS 48 posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 19:08:21:

Matt:
If you can, better go with a Trophy 6-18 x 40. With a Simmons maybe you're lucky, maybe not. Too much gun for the Simmons I think. Simmons is a nice scope, but rated for medium power airguns.

Regards
Roland
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Msg. 271656  Posted by MSS on August 04, 2000 at 19:54:06:

Yes or No: Will the BSA RD30/22 Red Dot Sight work good with the Super Max Air Rifle? And are the iron sights that come with the Super Max alright? Thanks.
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Msg. 271655  Posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 19:39:51:

On a British forum, one of the posters found himself upset. He's apparently a decent bloke, and something that happened today got him into a stressful dilemma. Not being a hunter, or having sufficient knowledge, I can't help him.

I'm counting on guys like Mike Pearson to help here. If you have a good answer or good advice, please let me know whether or not I can quote your answer, with or without your name as you wish. Thanks for helping out.

I quote the guy:

Went out hunting today, I am always thinking about making a clean kill with no suffering for the animals involved. After a few bad experiances of hitting rabbits in the heart area (where they kicked about for a second or two) I decided that since my shooting has improved I'll start going for headshots. I shot this rabbit at about 25 yards max. in the head, the shot went straight between the eyes! I ran over to where the rabbit was seeing that it obviously was still moving and so still alive! It had blood coming from it's mouth and it was making a snorting sound, I picked it up around the neck with one hand with the intention of grabbing it's back legs to break it's neck. It fought me like hell! As soon as I grabbed it's neck it's back legs went trying to get me to release my grip around it's neck, it was incredidbly strong and it took several seconds of strugeling before I finally managed to get it's back legs, I had to give about four almighty tugs before I finally heard it's neck click. During all this time it was making sort of gurgling sounds too, even after breaking it's neck it still took a second to settle down before the back legs started to kick out wildy as they do when the nervous system dies. I have found this an incredidbly harrowing experience mainly because I just don't understand what the hell happened. During paunching the rabbit I examined it's head and found that the pellet did indeed go straight between the eyes and continued to the back of it's head, almost into it's neck. Some might say that the pellet missed it's brain, I sincerely doubt it, this was a .22 pellet that even if it missed the brain it would have caused so much damage and shock the bunny wouldn't do what it did (in theory). I expect some might say that the skull mostly deflected the shot; like I said the pellet basically traversed through the whole of it's head and I know my gun i powerful enough, my gun does 14 ft/ls with RWS pellets, 13.5ft/bls with accupells and 13 ft/lbs with Lazapells which I was using. Afterwards I realized that this was undoubtedly the largest rabbit I've taken. Please can you tell me what could have possibly have happened? And ideas? I shot another bunny after in the head, the pellet impacted just to one side of the eye and exited the other side, I shot it at about the same range as the first one. With this one I heard a massive SPLOCK sound and the bunny went into the air (didn't leave the ground though!) and just slumped to the ground and lay still. This was the kind of reaction I expected to happen with a headshot.
I've been very put out with what happend, mostly because I knew the rabbit could see me and was trying to escape all the time I was trying to break it's neck. I don't mind blood etc. (I paunch the rabbits) but this must have been pure suffering, or perhaps it was dead I don't know. HELP!!


thanks,
peter
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Msg. 271654  Posted by Barrel_Nut on August 04, 2000 at 19:35:26:

In Reply to: Re: Cowning achievements part 2. posted by Nik on August 04, 2000 at 17:44:09:

probably but i can NOT consistently shoot better than 1 MOA @ 41 yds from & within my currrent setting.

in this RWS 48-177 with 2X caliber GSI spring, the trigger control is the perceived as the limiting factor.

a precision shooting [rail] fixture is in the immediate plan.
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Msg. 271653  Posted by Howard on August 04, 2000 at 19:27:06:

In Reply to: Who makes a semi auto co2 bb gun posted by John on August 04, 2000 at 14:51:51:


Anics A-101 Magnum, 15 shot clip, shoots around 500fps. Pyramyd and a few other places sell them for around $50.
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Msg. 271652  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 19:22:04:

In Reply to: ELEY Wasp Domes, 177cal,, 7.3gr,,any good in lower powered guns??? posted by McClure on August 04, 2000 at 19:15:55:

They are very good in some airguns. My Walther LG-55 loves them. RB
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Msg. 271651  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 19:20:58:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman 66 2-7 scope posted by Uncle Gary on August 04, 2000 at 12:14:25:

Yup- Hakko made them as far as I know, Hakko was still selling them according to my 1998 Hakko Catalog. Price in '98 was $200 plus shipping. Stocky must be close to the current pricing. RB
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Msg. 271650  Posted by McClure on August 04, 2000 at 19:15:55:

I'm shooting a P-3 and have been using wadcutter pellets with excellent results however, I am unable to leave well enough alone. I have found the Eley domes and thought I might try them. Does anyone have any experience with them,,are they well made, consistant from one pellet to the next, provide good accuracy, any comments. TIA
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Msg. 271649  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 19:14:54:

In Reply to: Re: And that's all I have to say about that: ;-) posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 10:52:53:

Yup ! Excellent contrast and resolution in both the Swifts I own. Both easily equal a B&L or Weaver V-16 in the optics dept, for less money. The 6x18x50 is the best rangefinder scope I own, and that's compared to some very high dollar units !($700 on up)
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Msg. 271648  Posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 19:12:27:

In Reply to: Re: I didn't know he was for real? posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 19:09:18:

nt
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Msg. 271647  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 19:09:18:

In Reply to: I didn't know he was for real? posted by Tony K on August 04, 2000 at 19:05:33:

That's not Buttafucco ! It's a ruse !. RB
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Msg. 271646  Posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 19:08:21:

This is the gun I have ordered. .22 caliber just in time for me to buy a 6-18 simmons pro air and just in time for fall turkey season I am guide shopping now I will let you know how it turns out.
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Msg. 271645  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 19:06:05:

In Reply to: Screw turn counting posted by Willey M on August 04, 2000 at 01:19:39:

So- you turn screws "Willey Nilly" eh? Is that how you got your name? HEHEH. RB
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Msg. 271644  Posted by Tony K on August 04, 2000 at 19:05:33:

Shocking aint it!

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Msg. 271643  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 18:54:05:

In Reply to: Russ, How bout the Superstar?????Thumbs posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 15:35:52:

Gary_ power-wise the Superstar and Supersport are the same. Obviously, the Superstar features a lot more attention to detail and general construction is better. The gas ram offers the same power as the spring, but it's smoother and can offer a shorter 'lock time". RB
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Msg. 271642  Posted by Willey M on August 04, 2000 at 18:52:49:

In Reply to: .20 and .22 posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 17:48:58:

Mr. P has drilled it through my head that the .22 starts out faster. This is because of the airflow like Russ described. Then, the smaller frontal area of the .20 allows it to retain more velocity, and soon is exceding the velocity of the .22, giving it a flatter trajectory. The .22 will still retain more energy, but will be less accurate.

There. I feel I've aborted Mr. Mike's explanation quite adequately...Willey M
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Msg. 271641  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 18:49:56:

In Reply to: Re: Any truth to spring set? posted by CharlesC on August 04, 2000 at 17:49:28:

Charles: not all springs are manufactured the same way, nor are they made to handle the same stress specifications. Most industrial spings are made with an 80% stress level in mind. Good airgun springs require 120% to 130% stress designed into them. This changes their behavior and makes them more difficult to make (many springmakers don't want to bother with them). Some testing has been done, and set does occur. In addition, having been an airgunner for 44 years, I've had lots of springers come across my bench that did have spring set. The amount of time a spring takes before it takes a noticable set depends on the particular quality of that specific spring. Different alloys, heat treatment, stress relief, etc. all have a bearing on how well one particular spring will handle things. Also- not all springs, even from the same maker- perform exactly the same way. Keeping a gun cocked for half an hour at a time shouldn't hurt it. RB
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Msg. 271640  Posted by Stocky on August 04, 2000 at 18:44:26:

In Reply to: Any truth to spring set? posted by Barry on August 04, 2000 at 17:40:13:


If you really want an answer to this question, buy Tom Gaylords R-1 magnum book....

All of it is truly in there!!!
and you'll come away from the experience knowing more about springers then more than 90% of this forum!!!!!!

LOL,
Stocky

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Msg. 271639  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 18:40:42:

In Reply to: .20 and .22 posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 17:48:58:

This is often the case with spring guns, but it happens with others too. As already mentioned, the larger diameter bore seems to allow more efficient transfer of power from the airblast behind the pellet. RB
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Msg. 271638  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 18:35:49:

In Reply to: Rust on Barrel posted by Dan on August 04, 2000 at 17:49:01:

Dan: if the rust is just superficial, scrub the barrel with an oily rag. If it's a little deeper, some ultrafine (at least xxxx grade)steel wool soaked in WD-40 or penetrating oil will remove it. Do not apply pressure to the steel wool, but just lightly drag it over the rusted spots until rust is gone. Move the wool up and down the barrel in the rusted area- not around the barrel. Wipe off and re-oil the bluing\
As to my reference about silicone cloths- they do not neutralize skin oils ans they provide meager protection against humidity and rust. A cloth damp with Remoil or Sheath is FAR better than silicone. RB
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Msg. 271637  Posted by Willey M on August 04, 2000 at 18:35:02:

Last night for grins I picked up a 2250. Already have the DQ 2240 in .25. Tried to shoot the 2250. First, what good are those factory sights? The back notch gives you a mile on each side of the upright. Scope? It made cool noises under my truck tire. Mounted my Tasco red dot on the "Integra"-mounts or whatever. Must be 3" from the dot to the bore center. Even after zeroing I feel like the barrel is really crap.

That's why I have to love the 2240 Quackenbush. Dovetails right on the receiver/breech. I was told the .25 barrel is Walther. I keep the Tasco red dot on it and hit within 1" of my poa out to 20-30 yds. Fine for hunting.

But how do you guys hit with these 2250's without a REAL scope and mounts?...Willey
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Msg. 271636  Posted by David Bruce on August 04, 2000 at 18:32:56:

Well, I finally decided which pistol to get. I went hole hog and got a Steyr LP10P (from Pilkington Competition). You were right Russ, they are a little more expensive. Ouch, I feel a sudden pain in the pocket book. Oh well, it'll be fun. I go on vacation just after I get it so I'll check it out and let you know what I think.
Thanks to all of you who responded to my questions earlier. Dave

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Msg. 271635  Posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 18:29:54:

In Reply to: R9 Maintenance posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 18:22:02:

You've done it all. Do NOT use chamber oil. Not only is it not necessary, it will make the gun diesel. Besides, HW is finally lubing the guns better internally, so you should be set for a very long time. RB
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Msg. 271634  Posted by thom on August 04, 2000 at 18:26:33:

In Reply to: Cool! More plastic double action junk to choose from! (n/t) posted by minotaur on August 04, 2000 at 17:52:54:

thanks a lot minotaur .. way to piss someone off who is excited about airguns.. I've seen several youngsters and older participants to this site leave because of comments like yours.. there is a time for sarcasm, and a time to put another in his place. I don't think you were appropriate.
I appologise for your ruddeness, I just hope that catdog will accept it as a surrogate for yours.

thom
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Msg. 271633  Posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 18:22:02:

I have about 600 rounds through my R9 .20. Other than cleaning the barrel and lubein the pivot points is there anything I should be doin? How about chamber oil? I want to keep the rifle in top shape.

Thanks

Gary
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Msg. 271632  Posted by Barrel_Nut on August 04, 2000 at 18:19:31:

In Reply to: Re: Cowning achievements part 2. posted by Nik on August 04, 2000 at 17:44:09:

Shimmed the pilot of 17 cal Rem crown tool [11 degree countersink] to fit bore (.1763") with teflon tape and power drill burst of about 100 rpm.

Dove section previously cut off with a 120 tooth [i.e. for solid stock] cold saw blade.

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Msg. 271630  Posted by Quack on August 04, 2000 at 18:18:49:

In Reply to: .20 and .22 posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 17:48:58:

What were you reading? Most guns this is not the case. If its the 392 compared to the Blue Streak, I think those statements are false. As for the comparison at Straight Shooters, the Crosman Premier is the same weight as the in those 2 calibers, and the .22 just has more surface area for the air push against. The 392 is more powerful (ft-lbs) because of this for the 392/Streak comparison. But in regards to velocity, I would still think the light weight .20 pellets would be travelling faster. Hope this helps
Paul in MI
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Msg. 271629  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 04, 2000 at 18:15:09:

In Reply to: Re: YOUR FIRST TIME... posted by JS on August 04, 2000 at 07:00:36:

I got a Daisy Red Ryder bb gun for Christmas one
year. I gave the gun to my sister. :-( I wish I
still had the gun.
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Msg. 271628  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 04, 2000 at 18:07:26:

In Reply to: Rust on Barrel posted by Dan on August 04, 2000 at 17:49:01:

I read in a hunting magazine to use an eraser. I'm
not completly sure. I'm about 50% sure.
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Msg. 271627  Posted by Matt Donovan on August 04, 2000 at 17:53:54:

In Reply to: Re: I heard that you should never fire a springer when it's clamped....Is this true, and why?.........nt posted by Dwight C on August 04, 2000 at 15:21:05:

Dwight,
I have a Tempest and sight it in for a one hand hold. It'll hit 3" off at 10 yds with a two hand hold and would probably be a foot off if clamped. The gun jumps a lot while the pellet is still in the barrel (actually forward then backward) so, it's best to sight it in for the way you are going to shoot. The Tempest is quite accurate as long as you are consistant with the hold (hold it any way you want but, always the same).
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Msg. 271626  Posted by minotaur on August 04, 2000 at 17:52:54:

In Reply to: Daisy 400 is back! posted by Catdog on August 04, 2000 at 16:38:22:

nt
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Msg. 271625  Posted by CharlesC on August 04, 2000 at 17:49:28:

In Reply to: Any truth to spring set? posted by Barry on August 04, 2000 at 17:40:13:

And photographers worry about springs taking a set if they leave their camera shutters cocked too long. Ever wonder about valve springs in auto engines? One or more are always compressed when the engine is stopped. If springs were that fragile most of our mechanical devices would fail constantly from spring failure.
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Msg. 271624  Posted by Dan on August 04, 2000 at 17:49:01:

I need to remove rust from my barrel, what do I use?
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Msg. 271623  Posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 17:48:58:

I was just reading over airguns and comparing them when I noticed that .22 shoots faster than .20 in the same guns. Why is that?
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Msg. 271622  Posted by Nik on August 04, 2000 at 17:44:09:

In Reply to: Cowning achievements part 2. posted by Barrel_Nut on August 04, 2000 at 15:13:34:

So how did you do it & did it improve accuracy?
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Msg. 271621  Posted by Barry on August 04, 2000 at 17:40:13:

Does anyone know of any empirical tests that have been conducted to verify that the mainspring in a springer can take a set if left cocked? One hears of this a lot, but I'm wondering if it may be only folklore handed down around the campfire.

Cartridge-weapos folks have the same fear of spring-set resulting from leaving magazines loaded. I remember reading in American Rifleman where they said that spring set was an interesting idea with zero empirical basis, and cited as an example a .45 auto magazine that had been left fully loaded for nearly 50 years and still had not taken on any noticable spring set.

Not to say that it's a swell idea to leave a springer loaded, but when hunting it's a real pain to leave the gun uncocked or to uncock and recock every 5 minutes or so.
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Msg. 271620  Posted by Matt Donovan on August 04, 2000 at 17:33:22:

In Reply to: Some good places for that stuff... posted by Andrew on August 04, 2000 at 16:39:01:

Those cheap golf range finders work by comparing the height of the flag pin. If it looks little, you're far. If it looks big, you're close.
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Msg. 271619  Posted by dogbear on August 04, 2000 at 17:27:30:

In Reply to: Daisy 400 is back! posted by Catdog on August 04, 2000 at 16:38:22:

xxx
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Msg. 271618  Posted by RGunn on August 04, 2000 at 17:21:34:

In Reply to: Russ, How bout the Superstar?????Thumbs posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 15:35:52:

Doug, I you would like to do a little research on your own about the ram, here are the links you need.

THe active link at the bottom is for Theoben airguns. Theoben makes the rams that are used in the conversions for BSA's.

The link shown here is for Dave Slade at Airgunwerks. Dave installs Theoben rams at a fair price. Dave also does trigger work on BSA rifles. HTH.

www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1691/slade.html

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Msg. 271617  Posted by Solarus on August 04, 2000 at 17:16:47:

In Reply to: here's my modified crossmans posted by Solarus on August 04, 2000 at 16:58:19:

The 2240 trigger was lightened by taking out the spring and compressing it until the coils touched with pliers.
The ssp has the mac1 polished sear which breaks much more cleanly.

The new 2240 barrels are much better polished than the old .177 and .22 cal ssp barrels.
The .20 which is on the 2240 is brass and was easier to modify to fit.
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Msg. 271616  Posted by Jim P on August 04, 2000 at 17:10:17:

In Reply to: Re: Who has the best price on Leapers 6X scopes? Thanks nt posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 16:39:23:

Jim, matt,

I think for an airgun what you really want is the 6X40AO mini(note the AO, very important)as reviewed in Airgun Letter. This was a scope that Leapers had for a while and for some reason is no longer avialable (would focus down to 5.5 yards.) I know someone (TIR) who was trying to get one of the last available at Sraight Shooters. Other than their ad I haven't seen it anywhere.

As far as "Gun Garage" Prices. For the Leapers 6-24X50AO (Focus down to 15 yards - BIG Scope) TAPCO has it for $94.99 in their last catalog and NATCHEZ had it for $89.86 in the June/July Sale Catalog that just went out of date. So maybe their prices aren't the best (but this was the only scope that I knew something about.)

And speaking of BIG Scopes NATCHEZ has a "Blazer" 6-24X50AO with a "Variable Reticle" available for $78.95. Would somebody please test this one on a Magnum Springer for a 1,000 Shots, for me and save me some money.

Thanks,

Jim P.
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Msg. 271615  Posted by willbe on August 04, 2000 at 17:06:25:

nm

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Msg. 271613  Posted by Don on August 04, 2000 at 17:00:31:

In Reply to: Who has the best price on Leapers 6X scopes? Thanks nt posted by JimC on August 04, 2000 at 16:27:08:

http://www.natchezss.com

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Msg. 271612  Posted by Solarus on August 04, 2000 at 16:58:19:

In Reply to: 2240 Modification posted by Charles Fox on August 04, 2000 at 09:13:06:

Here's my 2240 w/ a 12" 20 cal. ssp250 barrel and sleeve for front sight and slip on moderator.
http://www.csupomona.edu/~sswan/2240.jpg

This is my ssp250 with the MAC1 HW 13" barrel, williams aperture sight, and triggershoe. I made the custom grips from Brazillian cherry.
http://www.csupomona.edu/~sswan/ssp3.jpg
http://www.csupomona.edu/~sswan/ssp4.jpg


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Msg. 271611  Posted by Don on August 04, 2000 at 16:56:10:

In Reply to: Who has the best price on Leapers 6X scopes? Thanks nt posted by JimC on August 04, 2000 at 16:27:08:

http//www.natchezss.com
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Msg. 271610  Posted by Hawley on August 04, 2000 at 16:46:25:

In Reply to: Hawley I was only kidding you. posted by Steve in CT on August 04, 2000 at 08:21:18:

Steve, I don't know why but I get a perverse pleasure out of taking shots at Careers.
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Msg. 271609  Posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 16:39:23:

In Reply to: Who has the best price on Leapers 6X scopes? Thanks nt posted by JimC on August 04, 2000 at 16:27:08:

Here it is:

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Msg. 271608  Posted by Andrew on August 04, 2000 at 16:39:01:

In Reply to: rangefinder from the hardware store posted by tr on August 04, 2000 at 12:28:37:

Go anywhere where there is golf stuff... They have rangefinders for golfers, for 100's of yards, and they are pretty cheap too...
Radio shack has one for like $19.99
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Msg. 271607  Posted by Catdog on August 04, 2000 at 16:38:22:

Ive seen several adds in the other airguns classifieds wanting the model 400 from daisy.Did you know that they are back in production,i visited their site a week ago and to my suprise seen that they offer this as well as the new anti jam model 45.Got mine in the mail yesterday and it seems to look like the same gun only with a gold finish on the frame.I have a 44 mag Desert Eagle and they really do resemble.Down side is after contacting Daisy it seems Wal-mart and K-mart will carry the model 45 but not the new 400gx so we wont be able to buy at the discount but you can get it directly from Daisy for 48.99.Later airdudes.
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Msg. 271606  Posted by h_swankler on August 04, 2000 at 16:31:59:

In Reply to: Re: chinese rifle posted by Barry on August 04, 2000 at 12:26:27:

thanks barry!
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Msg. 271605  Posted by JimC on August 04, 2000 at 16:27:08:

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Msg. 271604  Posted by Tom Gaylord on August 04, 2000 at 16:24:57:

In Reply to: Re: Casting bullets for big bore airguns posted by Allan on August 04, 2000 at 13:42:03:

Allan,

They are available at any good gun store. Joe at Golden Toller probably has them, because he is big into black powder.

Regards,

Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.com

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Msg. 271602  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 04, 2000 at 16:15:56:

In Reply to: Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer posted by Sammy on August 04, 2000 at 15:38:34:

When you find one let me know. Most springers with your desired specs have 13 ft/lbs. A Maccari spring kit in the RWS 34 or R-9 may fill the bill. There is a gas ram for the BSA SS but it is also a 12 ft/lb unit. The best bet may be if JM produces a GSI spring kit in the future for the BSA SS. You asked a very good question. Dragging a 9 lb airgun thru the woods is not my idea of hunting.
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Msg. 271600  Posted by LarryH on August 04, 2000 at 16:08:28:

In Reply to: Re: Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer posted by Andrew Leung on August 04, 2000 at 15:39:48:

I have an R9 and though it's a great gun it's not that light. I don't know much about customizing, but the gun is kind of heavy to begin with. What kind of things could you do to the R9 to drop it a couple pounds (if it's even possible)?
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Msg. 271599  Posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 16:05:56:

What have you guy's found works best in the Superstar .22? I will be using it mostly for hunting but want the best accuracy. What,in general, is a good pellet weight for the rifle?

Thanks

Gary
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Msg. 271598  Posted by Sid on August 04, 2000 at 15:58:01:

In Reply to: Accuracy needed posted by Mac1 on August 04, 2000 at 12:05:30:

Thanks for the advice Tim,I suppose the Crosman
has got me all excited being the first recoil free
gun I've owned.
I'd send mine to you tomorrow but I live in the UK
so it's not a practical proposition sadly.
Fair comment about spending a lot of money on a
cheap gun...perhaps it would be better spent on
my RWS 52...I'll have to contact Venom about that.

Thanks again mate....
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Msg. 271597  Posted by Andrew Leung on August 04, 2000 at 15:39:48:

In Reply to: Lightest Shortest Most Powerful .22 Springer posted by Sammy on August 04, 2000 at 15:38:34:

Custom R-9?
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Msg. 271596  Posted by Sammy on August 04, 2000 at 15:38:34:

I had asked this question about 6 months ago and got some good answers. However since then I had sold my springers and have all CO2 now. I wanted to get your opinions on this again.

While it is easy to find short and light guns in PCP or CO2 it seems that a 15+ foot pound .22 springer in a light and short package is hard to find. Most springers in that class are in the 8.5 to 10 pound range.

I just want to make sure I haven't missed a gun somewhere that exists that I don't know about it.
Here is what I am looking for.

1. .22 Springer
2. Under 8 pounds
3. Under 42 inches in length
4. 15+ foot pounds or close

While I am aware of the Supersport(used to own one), Vulcan, B-18, etc., but out of those 3 I believe the B-18 is the only one around 15+ foot pounds as James at Fun Supply chronyed his with 13.9 gr pellets at 710 fps which is a 15+ foot pound gun. And I know from personal experience that James is honest and accurate with his chrony readings. And I do understand every B-18 won't have the same power.

I am just wondering if I have overlooked a certain springer in this class.

Thanks for your opinions.


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Msg. 271595  Posted by Bill 33 on August 04, 2000 at 15:37:29:

In Reply to: Beeman 66 2-7 scope posted by David E. on August 04, 2000 at 11:43:57:

I've got one that I would like to have repaired, but don't know who to send it too. My Crow Mag III knocked the ring that hold the AO bell on the body of the scope. It lasted a long time though and is lots better than the Bushnell Trophy 6x18 thats on it now.
Bill (33)
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Msg. 271594  Posted by Gary on August 04, 2000 at 15:35:52:

Sorry to keep buggin ya but...............

How about the Superstar??? Sounded like the Supersport was almost the same as my R9. Will the Superstar in .22 be a good jump up the line? I would like it for hunting mostly but maybe some field target work in the future. Will it do the job? Is the quality as good as the R9? What is the story with the gas ram retro.? What does this do for the rifle?

Thanks again Russ

Gary
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Msg. 271593  Posted by Steve B. on August 04, 2000 at 15:26:54:

In Reply to: Daisy 753 and 853...what's the difference? posted by docwells on August 04, 2000 at 08:58:18:

docwells: You didn't really define what you think a starter rifle is or who it's for, but I'll assume your at least thinking target work here. You might consider the IZH 61 in your shopping list. It's a bit cheaper and the savings difference will get you a bit better rear sight. The stock is adjustable, trigger is pretty nice (adjustable) and spare springs, seals and magazines are availible.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 271592  Posted by Dwight C on August 04, 2000 at 15:21:05:

In Reply to: I heard that you should never fire a springer when it's clamped....Is this true, and why?.........nt posted by Defiance on August 03, 2000 at 16:07:08:

I don't know either. I have a Webley Tempest and am wondering if I could clamp it in say a workmate in order to check/adjust the sites?

Have you tried contacting the manufacturer of the gun in question or is it just a general question?
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Msg. 271591  Posted by David Bruce on August 04, 2000 at 15:20:08:

I just picked up a Crosman Model 150 .22cal at an estate sale. It was new in box with all pamphlets and factory target. The guy I bought it from opened it last week (still in plastic wrap from factory) and shot 1 Co2 powerlet through it. It has some Crosman Super Pells with it and 1 Co2 powerlet that may be original. Does any have any info on this gun or know what it' value is.
Thanks Dave
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Msg. 271590  Posted by Barrel_Nut on August 04, 2000 at 15:13:34:

it feels better than it looks.

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Msg. 271589  Posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 14:58:30:

In Reply to: Who makes a semi auto co2 bb gun posted by John on August 04, 2000 at 14:51:51:

Daisy makes a co2 BB gun cost is around 60 dollars.
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Msg. 271588  Posted by James Mc. on August 04, 2000 at 14:54:18:

In Reply to: Re: Daisy 753 and 853...what's the difference? posted by karl on August 04, 2000 at 09:37:18:


Both are fantastic rifles, but you might consider the Crosman 2000. Even some young shooters have difficulty operating the single stroke cocking lever. Also the Crosman is a better choice for an 3 position trainer. Better sights also.


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Msg. 271587  Posted by John on August 04, 2000 at 14:51:51:

Does anybody make a semi auto co2 bb gun with a
metal frame that shoots over 400fps?
I don't want to spend to much.
thanks
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Msg. 271586  Posted by KEN. on August 04, 2000 at 14:43:34:

In Reply to: Canada and Airguns posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 08:13:47:

Not to worry it will probably take a while but it will come! I know it can be dishearting to wait but this is what happens when sending items to the US. There is more than 1 post office to contend with, plus customs. I've never had anything not show up.
Many Thanks KEN.
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Msg. 271585  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 04, 2000 at 14:13:25:

In Reply to: Daisy 753 and 853...what's the difference? posted by docwells on August 04, 2000 at 08:58:18:

You can see pictures on Daisy.com webpage. BOTH have wooden stocks. As far as I know, they have same mechanism. It appears that the 753 stock has a more pronounced pistol grip and a deeper butt stock more in keeping with target rifles. The 853 comes in standard, single shot, and the 853C which has five shot clips which cycle through automatically with each pull of the cocking lever. Both are pretty accurate rifles.
Auctionarms.com has Daisy 853 for auction right now -- price is at $19.00. Another one went for $140.00 two weeks ago. I was lucky enough to buy for my son an 853C in excellent condition with all butt inserts and 12 clips for $100.00
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Msg. 271584  Posted by Mike Lee on August 04, 2000 at 14:06:41:

In Reply to: What CO2 gun? posted by ryan on August 03, 2000 at 18:47:49:

Give em to me.
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Msg. 271583  Posted by Lloyd S. on August 04, 2000 at 14:03:35:



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Msg. 271582  Posted by FPoole on August 04, 2000 at 13:54:44:

In Reply to: Scope Mounts for Springers posted by Harold on August 03, 2000 at 20:29:29:

You should give Mac1 a call for your drooper mounts.
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Re: Casting bullets for big bore airguns


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Msg. 271580  Posted by Allan on August 04, 2000 at 13:42:03:

In Reply to: Casting bullets for big bore airguns posted by Tom Gaylord on August 03, 2000 at 17:37:06:

Tx for the book refernce Tom,were are they available?On anyones table at Damascus,I want one?

Al
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Msg. 271579  Posted by Allan on August 04, 2000 at 13:36:00:

In Reply to: rangefinder from the hardware store posted by tr on August 04, 2000 at 12:28:37:

Maybe if you speak to an electronics buff you could boost the signal and increase the range measuring.All you then have to do is calibrate it with fixed distance targets:+}}}}
Very best of luck,this might bear you some golden eggs.

Al
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Re: Beeman GS 1000


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Msg. 271578  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 04, 2000 at 13:35:04:

In Reply to: Beeman GS 1000 posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 13:19:52:

Beeman is an importer only as far as airguns go, not
sure about their firearms line. Last I heard they were
all FWB's. Like Dave was implying in a round about
way is "you get what you pay for" and with the
Beeman Name on it you'll pay a premium for that, but
they also tend to be a little more quality-controlled.
They do miss things though...
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Re: Beeman GS 1000


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Msg. 271573  Posted by DaveG on August 04, 2000 at 13:24:03:

In Reply to: Beeman GS 1000 posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 13:19:52:

Made by Norico, in spain, and named a "Beeman"... bad trigger, and twangy to boot...
Some of the other gun in thew same line have been marketed as Marksmans also...
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Msg. 271572  Posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 13:19:52:

What is wrong with beeman's new gun? It says 1000 feet persecond is made by BEEMAN what could be wrong with this gun that it is so cheap?
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Crosman 2000


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Msg. 271571  Posted by Mac1 on August 04, 2000 at 13:03:28:

Just completed the first Crosman 2000 Target rifle power mod. The .177 caliber Hobby comes out at 707fps and the 7.9 grain crosman goes 685fps with the dual CO2 mod done. Trigger is 2.5lbs with my sear installed.
Dual CO2 conversion is gonna give a gob of shots. Probably close to 75. Not as powerful as a QB but not as wasteful as and old F was. They made the hammer lighter and it seems it need it.

Later

Tim
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Re: Opinions on the Gold Finger Beeman R9 in .20cal


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Msg. 271570  Posted by Mark Lemm on August 04, 2000 at 12:41:06:

In Reply to: Opinions on the Gold Finger Beeman R9 in .20cal posted by Randy from Va on August 04, 2000 at 07:18:16:

I think it's the best combo deal out there. You can even get it with a Macarri tune at aaasportinggoods. If you want to get everhting in one shot ready to go you can't beat it.

-MArk
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The Webley Patriot manual mentions the specifications of the .20 version (NT)


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Msg. 271569  Posted by Marianillo on August 04, 2000 at 12:36:58:

In Reply to: Kodiak in .20cal possible? posted by Douglas Clark on August 04, 2000 at 12:32:16:

x
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Msg. 271568  Posted by Stocky on August 04, 2000 at 12:33:14:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman 66 2-7 scope posted by Uncle Gary on August 04, 2000 at 12:14:25:

Hakko did make them for the first few years...
and I think they still sell them under their own name too...
The price has got to be over $250....
I'd sell a lot of my scopes...but not this one.
And "I think" it actually focuses down to 7 yds. not just 10.
Stocky
BTW I'd spend more then $150 for a good used one...
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Msg. 271567  Posted by Douglas Clark on August 04, 2000 at 12:32:16:

can a barrel be fitted to this springer powerhouse? Has anybody done this?
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Dammit, I didn't say I CARRIED it, I leave it in the truck while I'm shooting!.... [GRIN!]


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Msg. 271566  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 04, 2000 at 12:29:03:

In Reply to: Re: Heh-Heh-Heh! yup, I LOVE electronic stuff!.... [GRIN!] posted by bcd on August 03, 2000 at 22:38:12:

But you gave me an idea, I do have a carrying case with a belt loop on it......! [GRIN!] Cheers!
Unc
(P.S.: do you have to have to have a "permit to carry" for a Fluke???? Heh-Heh-Heh!, just kiddin!"
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rangefinder from the hardware store


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Msg. 271565  Posted by tr on August 04, 2000 at 12:28:37:

Had another of my wacko brainstorms.

At the local home building supply center, they sell a "laser" rengefinder with 99.5% accuracy +/- 1/4 inch for $39.95. since I can't afford the Leica? at $400 I looked at it. It is ultrasonic, used indoors for measuring during carpentry jobs, and the laser just lets you aim it. But the instructions said maximum range 20 yards, best used indoors. So I didn't buy it, but I'm still thinking about it.

I would never shoot more than 40 yards in the field, I don't have that kind of equipment. I hardly ever shoot more than 20. So maybe if this worked well outdoors, it would be good enough. Has anybody tried this kind of rangefinder? Or have an opinion on how much range you need out of a rangefinder?
yours,
tr
(not tir, tar, or tim)
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Msg. 271564  Posted by Barry on August 04, 2000 at 12:26:27:

In Reply to: chinese rifle posted by h_swankler on August 03, 2000 at 14:28:15:

Try "Chinese Air Rifles At Large" forum at "http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/65358?".
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Re: Did I hear you say you were an old man Unc? (nt)


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Msg. 271563  Posted by Unc on August 04, 2000 at 12:25:00:

In Reply to: Re: Did I hear you say you were an old man Unc? (nt) posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 11:25:30:

Just keep rubbing it in Mike! [GRIN!] So what, I'm betting YOU"RE not THAT much younger than me anyway, right? I SAID RIGHT, MIKE? (Heh-Heh-Heh!)
(That's what I thought!) Cheers!

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Nightforce scopes, they used to be mentioned here quite often...


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Msg. 271562  Posted by Douglas Clark on August 04, 2000 at 12:23:28:

In Reply to: Scope choice decision ....... Come on guys , give me a hand ........ posted by Derrin on August 03, 2000 at 22:18:52:

have the range you want. website is lightforce.com
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Re: Scope Mounts for 3/4 " scope tube, are they available....


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Msg. 271561  Posted by Barry on August 04, 2000 at 12:18:50:

In Reply to: Scope Mounts for 3/4 " scope tube, are they available.... posted by Chavez on August 03, 2000 at 22:44:28:

Weaver tip-offs are very nice. Very traditional design. Your local gunsmith should be able to order them, or you can probably get them through Brownell's (www.brownells.com).
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Re: Beeman 66 2-7 scope


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Msg. 271560  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 04, 2000 at 12:14:25:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman 66 2-7 scope posted by Stocky on August 04, 2000 at 11:55:15:

If I'm not mistaken, the Beeman 66 is actually a Hakko scope with the Beeman name on it. Like Stocky said, a fine scope! Regards,
Unc

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Accuracy needed


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Msg. 271559  Posted by Mac1 on August 04, 2000 at 12:05:30:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250 more power needed posted by Sid on August 04, 2000 at 09:54:44:

Velocity is nice but the 2250 has plenty. What it lacks is the accuracy to stay in a kill zone at the distances it is already capable of talking game at. The gun shoots 3/4 inch at 10 yards. That's going to translate into groups at 20 yards pushing the 2" plus range. So your range is 20 yards max even tho a gun that shoots .22 at 550 can easily reach out and spank stuff at close to twice that range if the gun is accurate enough. That is why we do the breech seal mod, chamber and barrel work to improve that. I do offer power mods but the gun will not get more accurate if you go in the stand on the hammer direction. It just gets very inneficient. This gun shoots as hard as our MKI LD's do and that is plenty of power for garden plinking and varmints out to around 35 yards if you place the shot right. When we go thru these they get three times as accurate than stock. 10 yard groups are typically .25" which gives you sub 2 " groups at 40 yards. The gun will seem much more powerful when you hit what you aim at and can place your shots where you want them. If you need more power I would suggest more gun. The QB78/.22 comes to mind as the next step up in power and accuracy for a little more money. It costs $79 plus the Mac1 tweeks are $50. With that gun you will be amazed at what a CO2 gun is capable of. Watch the budget on these cheap crosmans. It is real easy to go overboard on them and have a lot more in them thab you'de have in something else that would work much better.

Later

Tim

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Msg. 271558  Posted by Stocky on August 04, 2000 at 11:55:15:

In Reply to: Beeman 66 2-7 scope posted by David E. on August 04, 2000 at 11:43:57:


New..this Blue ribbon scope went for $260.
If in great shape....I'd gladly pay $150 for a used one.
Their combo of quality, clarity, ruggedness, and size make them a winner to me...and they focus clearly down to 10 yds.
MHO,
Stocky
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Msg. 271557  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 11:49:48:

In Reply to: Yeah, I'm better today. Thanks posted by Willey M on August 03, 2000 at 18:02:13:


LOL! Bill, we've (the whole world) known that about you for a long time but we didn't mention it (didn't want to hurt any feelings you know, you know?). ---------- Mr.P (Peanut with a monacle!) ;)
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Msg. 271556  Posted by David E. on August 04, 2000 at 11:43:57:

Can you give me any information on the Beeman 66 2-7 power scope. It is not listed at Beemans site. What would the current value be?

Thanks in advance,

David
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Re: ?????!!!!!!$$%%£%%£??????HOW THE ****


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Msg. 271555  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 11:43:53:

In Reply to: ?????!!!!!!$$%%£%%£??????HOW THE **** posted by GMackeddie on August 03, 2000 at 06:38:45:


Gil, an animal up to the size of raccoon reacts differently to a heart shot than he does to a lung shot (much more immediate). Deer will react to a centered heart shot much more like a lung shot.

Also, and this is true of animals of all sizes, a shot to the arteries that lead into the heart (like the trachea) are even deadlier than a proper heart shot (even on a deer with a deer rifle) and have much the same quickness in lethality of a brain-pan shot. THAT IMHO explains your squirrel.

What Peter said was, however, spot-on. We're talking about VERY small aimpoints on an animal that is known for being jittery and frequently requiring a quickly aimed (and fired) shot. Bottomline? Your friend lucked into an immediate kill that would be EXTREMELY difficult to duplicate, let alone do so with any consistency! I'm sure Simon would concur with these thoughts and I know he's used an air pistol any number of times on small critters.

Squirrels CAN be taken but they require precise brain-pan shots (something not everyone is up to)at modest ranges. Hope this helps! ---- Mr.P


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Msg. 271553  Posted by James L on August 04, 2000 at 11:37:04:

In Reply to: What CO2 gun? posted by ryan on August 03, 2000 at 18:47:49:

Get a daisy model 93 pistol to shoot the bb's up
smothbore Bb semi auto looks like a S&W auto and a real blast to shoot.
James L
ps then get the 1077 and a case of pellets & CO2

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Re: Headshot or not ???


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Msg. 271552  Posted by DJ_PAL on August 04, 2000 at 11:35:01:

In Reply to: Re: Headshot or not ??? posted by RBest on August 04, 2000 at 00:02:01:

Well, those cats (s) are owned by nobody (kind of wild thingies) that raid farms in my area...
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Re: Did I hear you say you were an old man Unc? (nt)


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Msg. 271551  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 11:25:30:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mounts for Springers posted by Uncle Gary on August 03, 2000 at 21:01:23:



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Solved that problem (info inside)


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Msg. 271550  Posted by Vlad B on August 04, 2000 at 11:24:05:

In Reply to: Mounting a B-SQUARE #10060 on an old style Stutzen posted by Vlad B on August 04, 2000 at 10:36:57:

I just gave a call to one and only Joe from Golden Taller and he's sending me a shorter pin from the other ring. He's got a number of them. Isn't he the greatest? Ok, now I can finally concentrate on work instead of thinking of guns... I wonder if my IZH-61 going to arrive today. Will B-96 be fixed any time soon? Should I put a scope on R-7 that I am picking up this Saturday? Whom should I send my ProSport for a tune? Should I buy a P70 or an Anschutz 2002ZM? Or should I finally concentrate on work before I got fired?
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Re: Daisy 753 and 853...what's the difference?


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Msg. 271549  Posted by Howard Chapman II on August 04, 2000 at 11:15:22:

In Reply to: Daisy 753 and 853...what's the difference? posted by docwells on August 04, 2000 at 08:58:18:

docwells,

The only diffrence I know of is the sight set on the 753 is better, but I think the 853 will do for most people. Another gun you might think about is the Tau-200, it's a very nice starter gun with a much better trigger than the Daisy.

Just a thought... Howard
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Re: Getting my first PCP


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Msg. 271548  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 11:08:07:

In Reply to: Re: Getting my first PCP posted by Jon F. on August 03, 2000 at 21:22:46:


I'm NOT an FT shooter but I've asked myself the same question. I believe a part of the answer has to do with a left-over tradition from springer days. With springers, the flatter (significantly flatter) trajectory went to the .177 in the same powerplant. With lower energy powerplants (around 12ft.lbs. say), .177's flatter trajectory was a real edge. Toss in the fact that it was (and is) cheaper to shoot(and remember, these guys and gals shoot ALOT in practice) .177 pellets and more selection of really great pellets are readily available in that caliber and well, you can take it from there. Anyways, those are my thoughts on the subject. ----- Mr.P
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Re: Local Laws


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Msg. 271547  Posted by Mike B on August 04, 2000 at 11:07:35:

In Reply to: Local Laws posted by BUD on August 04, 2000 at 01:13:21:

I am an active Bullseye pistol shooter (firearms), and belong to a couple local shooting clubs. The initiation and annual fees are reasonable, and airguns are most welcomed at the ranges. You might want to join one in your area. Good luck, Mike.
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Msg. 271546  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 10:52:53:

In Reply to: And that's all I have to say about that: ;-) posted by peter huppertz on August 04, 2000 at 05:11:07:


I agree with you 100% on this one Peter! And conversely to what you said about Marty, Marty is one of my best friends too but I(and I know you and Russ too) would never endorse junk because of a friendship. I endorse the Swift because it did a great job (and skunked my Trophy) for me! ----- Mr.P
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Re: Gamo 880 power?


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Msg. 271545  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 10:48:51:

In Reply to: Gamo 880 power? posted by TheMatrix on August 04, 2000 at 05:55:15:


The Gamo 880 and other similar powered guns can kill game and varmints much larger than I can ethically mention (that's how big). They key is placing an accurate dome into the brain pan of the critter.

The library is a good place to go to find pictures of animal anatomy. Study these pictures. When you do take some critters (squirrels, rabbits, chucks) autopsy them. Find out for yourself exactly where the brain pan lies. There is nothing like seeing first-hand to leave a lasting impression for future reference. On squirrels and rabbits, you're better off using a Crow Magnum pellet (IF they shoot accurately in your gun) and placing the pellet just behind the shoulder into the lungs of a rabbit or squirrel. A woodchuck or oppossum or raccoon requires a dome through the brain pan period.

Before you attempt to take ANY live game, you really need to practice (read that ALOT OF PRACTICE). You need to KNOW where that pellet is going precisely even as you're squeezing the trigger. You need to develop CONFIDENCE in your shooting abilities and confidence comes from LOTS of practice with a FOCUS on IMPROVEMENT! --- Mr.P
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392 on Steroids


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Msg. 271544  Posted by Mac1 on August 04, 2000 at 10:38:26:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin 392 on Steroids fits the bill! posted by David E. on August 04, 2000 at 08:55:10:

The complete gun from us with billet/steroid conversion is $220 plus $8 shipping. That includes the lever, piston, valve, bolt, and trigger work.
If you send us your gun that will cost $115 plus $5 shipping (send action only/no butt stock).

Thanks

Tim
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Msg. 271543  Posted by Vlad B on August 04, 2000 at 10:36:57:

Is there a way to remove a pin from the B-SQUARE #10060 rings? The problem is that my old style Stutzen doesn't have drilled holes in the rail to accept a pin from a rear ring. Is there a shorter pin like in the second ring so? Thanks.
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Re: Gamo 880 power?


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Msg. 271542  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 10:34:35:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo 880 power? posted by TheMatrix on August 04, 2000 at 07:21:54:


Not a headshot guy, a BRAIN-PAN shot. Find out where the BRAIN-PAN is. Yes, this gun/pellet will cleanly take a chuck, just so long as the pellet is placed in the BRAIN PAN. Two bars of Ivory (at the woodchuck's distance) will indicate more than enough penetration but you can't just simply make a headshot. It must be placed in the brain pan! ---- Mr.P
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Msg. 271541  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 04, 2000 at 10:28:15:

In Reply to: Re: Scope choice decision ....... Swift that good really ??? posted by Derrin on August 03, 2000 at 23:30:27:


Derrin, I don't know what conflicting reports you've received but I've known of only two against well over 50 (on this forum) VERY positive reports. I did a review of this scope; Russ did a review of this scope and so did Peter. They're all on Marty's web page.

Why wonder though? Just buy one and find out for yourself. If you don't like the scope, Marty will refund you your money. If you do like the scope, Swift will back it for life. Seems pretty win-win to me! ----- Mr.P
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Msg. 271540  Posted by Juan Mijangos on August 04, 2000 at 10:22:51:

In Reply to: Daisy Avanti 888 posted by Juan Mijangos on August 03, 2000 at 10:27:32:

Thanks!!

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Re: Rebuilding Dad’s Old Crosman 140-LONG


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Msg. 271538  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 04, 2000 at 09:55:49:

In Reply to: Re: Rebuilding Dad’s Old Crosman 140-LONG posted by mike on August 02, 2000 at 00:04:46:

Depends on how old old-Dad's old Benjamin is. If it is a lever-pump rifle then any of the shops listed on my repairs web page can provide service. My advise: Benjamins are not the best guns to begin learning how to repair airguns. Special tools are required and even with the proper tools success can be elusive. Go with a pro.
http://members.aol.com/vintairgun/repairs.htm

Then, if the old Benjamin really is old and is a front (ground) pumper (models E, F, G) then you will need the services of a specialist. Dave Gunter is one of the few people willing to take on the job of repairing these. He does outstanding work. See his web site for contact info and more about Dave's custom airgun work.
http://www.ados.com/~dgunter/restor.htm

DT Fletcher

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Crosman 2250 more power needed


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Msg. 271537  Posted by Sid on August 04, 2000 at 09:54:44:

Hi yers all
I've bought a Crosman 2250 to use as a ratting
pistol and it's a lovely little tool considering
it's low price.
I'd like to use it on larger quarry so I'm trying
to work out a way of upping the muzzle energy a
bit.
Does anyone have any tips or experience in this
area ? I'm thinking about installing a longer
barrel and a stronger hammer spring as my first
mods.

While I'm here I'll ask if anyone has any mods for
my other gun a .22 RWS-52...I'm not after more
power ( the things an artillery piece already )
but a lighter trigger action and a bit less recoil
would be nice....

Thanks in advance...


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Msg. 271536  Posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 09:47:41:

I hate to solicit but here it goes anyway. I have an rws 45 in .177 caliber for sale comes with muzzle break already installed. Also comes with front sight if you prefer iron sights. Also comes with scope rail installed to accept scopes and make up for barrel droop. Small scratch on bottom of wood about 1" long 1/4" wide. I have oiled gun after every outing and harvested rabbits, possum and squirrel with this gun just to give you an idea of power. Also included is 1500 pellets. Asking for 200. E-mail me at huntur3@warwick.net if you have a better offer.
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Msg. 271535  Posted by chris on August 04, 2000 at 09:46:11:

In Reply to: Adjusting trigger a super sport posted by wayne parrish on August 03, 2000 at 23:20:41:


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Msg. 271534  Posted by AirMonkey on August 04, 2000 at 09:44:16:

In Reply to: 2240 Modification posted by Charles Fox on August 04, 2000 at 09:13:06:

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Msg. 271532  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 04, 2000 at 09:43:08:

In Reply to: steel trigger(s)! posted by Alan in GA on August 03, 2000 at 18:51:33:

A supply for steel Schimel triggers would be great.

I worked with the Schimels for a while and found that they seemed to hold up better when the metal was kept well oiled with Crosman oil. Without it, pieces kept falling apart. However, when oiled up real good it seemed that nothing broke. It may have been my imagination but it really seemed to make a difference.
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Msg. 271530  Posted by karl on August 04, 2000 at 09:37:18:

In Reply to: Daisy 753 and 853...what's the difference? posted by docwells on August 04, 2000 at 08:58:18:

I'm not absolutely certain, But I think that one is wood and the other is plastic stock and forearm.
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Msg. 271529  Posted by Airmonkey on August 04, 2000 at 09:37:10:

In Reply to: Re: AirMonkey QB-77 10 Meter Conversion (url w/pics) posted by Bud Brinkmeyer on August 03, 2000 at 23:00:24:

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Msg. 271528  Posted by Chris on August 04, 2000 at 09:34:44:

In Reply to: Re: Opinions on the Gold Finger Beeman R9 in .20cal posted by JimC on August 04, 2000 at 09:11:23:

No sales tax from Pomona IF you have it shipped
out of California.
there, that's better
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Msg. 271526  Posted by Chris on August 04, 2000 at 09:32:50:

In Reply to: Re: Opinions on the Gold Finger Beeman R9 in .20cal posted by JimC on August 04, 2000 at 09:11:23:



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Msg. 271525  Posted by Chris on August 04, 2000 at 09:32:49:

In Reply to: Re: Opinions on the Gold Finger Beeman R9 in .20cal posted by JimC on August 04, 2000 at 09:11:23:



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Msg. 271522  Posted by karl on August 04, 2000 at 09:25:07:

In Reply to: 2240 Modification posted by Charles Fox on August 04, 2000 at 09:13:06:

Go to airguns.net and look at the links to airgun dealers and find MAC1. Tim is pretty much the resident expert on just about any imaginable modification to any Crosman, Benjamin, Sheridan airgun and a host of others as well. What he can do is limited ONLY by your imagination and budget. He is in California. I have a 2240 also, amongst others, but haven't done anything to it. My biggest complaint, personally, other than the stiff trigger, which I KNOW Mac1 can fix, is the Junky adjustable rear sight which I hate! Other than that, its a pretty good value! Have Fun!
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Msg. 271521  Posted by Harold on August 04, 2000 at 09:14:35:

In Reply to: Re: If you live on the planet earth,rats are near. posted by bcd on August 03, 2000 at 21:24:24:

to go bow hunting for miniature deer(rats) in my back yard. Only problem is that I'm not that good of a shot with a bow and I'm afraid that if I do connect, the rat(and my arrow) will end up going through one of my neighbors windows. There's a mental picture for ya. Just kidding.

Have a good one,
Harold


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Msg. 271520  Posted by Charles Fox on August 04, 2000 at 09:13:06:

Here is a real "newbie" question. I just purchased a 2240 pistol from Walmart and would like to know what safe modifications could be done to this gun? Also where I could order the necessary parts? Is there any publication that has a significant portion of its print addressing this particular gun and modifications? Obviously from the questions, this is my first air gun in 30 years. Thanks in advance for your help on this questions and another question I had posted earlier.
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Msg. 271519  Posted by JimC on August 04, 2000 at 09:11:23:

In Reply to: Opinions on the Gold Finger Beeman R9 in .20cal posted by Randy from Va on August 04, 2000 at 07:18:16:

Great gun. $359.00 at Pamona Airguns site. {and no sales tax]. HTH
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Msg. 271518  Posted by docwells on August 04, 2000 at 08:58:18:

Looking for a starter target rifle and have read the review of the 853 on Brad's site. Just wondering if the 753 is worth the extra $$$. Any other starter rifle suggestions would be welcomed.
Thanks,
docwells
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Msg. 271517  Posted by David E. on August 04, 2000 at 08:55:10:

In Reply to: Benjamin 392 on Steroids fits the bill! posted by Lloyd S. on August 03, 2000 at 19:43:06:

What does the conversion cost?
Thanks,
David
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Msg. 271516  Posted by docwells on August 04, 2000 at 08:54:31:

In Reply to: Re: Scope choice decision ....... Swift that good really ??? posted by Derrin on August 03, 2000 at 23:30:27:



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Msg. 271515  Posted by Airmonkey on August 04, 2000 at 08:38:11:

In Reply to: Re: AirMonkey QB-77 10 Meter Conversion (url w/pics) posted by Bud Brinkmeyer on August 03, 2000 at 23:00:24:

Thank you for the information. The 10m conversion was not intended to compete against the Anchutz crowd.

good day,

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Msg. 271514  Posted by BrianW on August 04, 2000 at 08:34:32:

In Reply to: Opinions on the Gold Finger Beeman R9 in .20cal posted by Randy from Va on August 04, 2000 at 07:18:16:

I love mine. The scope was on the gun and it was PERFECTLY sighted in the day it arrived. Can't tell you how nice it was not to have to monkey with sighting in the scope at all.

But I don't think $400 is a good deal. I got mine from www.aaasportinggoods.com for $365.00.
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Msg. 271513  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 04, 2000 at 08:32:12:

In Reply to: Air Arms posted by Cody Dotter on August 04, 2000 at 07:51:09:

Pomona airguns http://www.pomona-airguns.com/
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Msg. 271512  Posted by Steve in CT on August 04, 2000 at 08:21:18:

In Reply to: Bias and bigoted re air guns posted by Hawley on August 03, 2000 at 22:59:45:

Even though I love my careers because I think they are such a unique versatile tools. Yeah a ruger 10/22 (which I have) could be even more accurate than a career when modified but also more accurate than a rapid 12 or a daystate.
The Career I have can be turned down to very civilized noise levels and still do the job of an RX-1. Also I hate cleaning guns after every shooting session so the ruger 10/22 is out for me for daily shooting. Good luck in your trade or sell crusade. I unloaded a few my self, I only have the huntsman in .177 to unload and I am all set.
Regards
Steve
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Msg. 271511  Posted by matt sudol on August 04, 2000 at 08:13:47:

Recentley a freind decided to send me a airpistol (webley hurricane) from Alberta canada to the united states it has been 14 days but he says it can take up to 21 days for it to come. Anyone know what is going on?
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Msg. 271510  Posted by sky on August 04, 2000 at 07:59:46:

In Reply to: super max posted by gary on August 04, 2000 at 02:55:23:

never use daisy's pellets on super max.i had experance to shoot daisy hunting on super max, 15 meters the group is as big as a orange!!!!! after i changed my pellets into crossman premier , it became much better.it could be easily shot in 1.5 cm from 15 meter (im a bad shooter) . the trigger of SM is a bit hard to pull,and SM is a bit heavy 5 kg
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Msg. 271509  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 04, 2000 at 07:51:09:

How much does a Air Arms Pro-Elite in .22 cal.
cost in US dollars?
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Msg. 271508  Posted by Bill on August 04, 2000 at 07:41:16:

In Reply to: A shame about the QB-88 too! posted by JS on August 02, 2000 at 12:01:28:

Amen on the TF 38. It is worth looking at. I have a new one with about a thousand pellets through it without a hitch. Has the cheapo Industry 4x20 scope on it. Works perfectly. Enexpensive powerful and accurate. Now what more could anybody want?
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Msg. 271507  Posted by Randy from Va on August 04, 2000 at 07:40:42:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo 880 power? posted by TheMatrix on August 04, 2000 at 07:21:54:

From what I have read, they are hard to extinguish!
And with a .177 the Fpe may not be enough to shatter
his skull and enter the cranial cavity..
But, you may get lucky and knock him down with
that never dull bar story shoot!

Randy
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Msg. 271506  Posted by Marco on August 04, 2000 at 07:35:34:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo 880 power? posted by TheMatrix on August 04, 2000 at 06:26:11:

Still, it's all about shot-placement. The weapon is powerfull enough, and at 15 yards you don't even really 'need' a scope. The BSA scope (probably a 4x32) is fine. It's up to YOU to hit it...

Crosman Premiers are fine. But still: Try more!
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Msg. 271504  Posted by ben on August 04, 2000 at 07:30:15:

In Reply to: Scope Mounts for Springers posted by Harold on August 03, 2000 at 20:29:29:

Two ways to do this:

Use a B-Square adjustable base (11mm to Weaver rail) & a good set of Weaver style 1" rings.
I have this setup on my 48 & it stays put, no problems. The base can be adjusted for droop & the
adjustment screws are locked by set screws once droop compensation is set. This setup is kinda heavy due to the B-Square base being steel, but it is solid.

Next is a one piece BKL mount from Marty. It can be drooped by Mac1. It's light & solid...lotsa screws & clamping surface to work with.
I use one of these on my TK RAID in .22. I wanted light, so I went with the BKL. No problems at all.
Follow Tim's directions for getting mounts drooped on his webpage.

Just be sure to degrease the contact areas before assembly.

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Msg. 271503  Posted by TheMatrix on August 04, 2000 at 07:21:54:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo 880 power? posted by Randy from Va on August 04, 2000 at 06:54:03:

In case some of you notice, I'm using dial up now, so my IP will be different.

I made a mistake...I have the Hunter 890, like yours. I always thought it was 880 until now (I checked the side of it, and it says 890).

I use Crosman Premier, which are 10.5 gr.

My question still exists, could it take a groundhog at around 15 yards, with a headshot?
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Msg. 271502  Posted by JS on August 04, 2000 at 07:20:57:

In Reply to: Re: READ PUBLICATION 52....Don't rely on the guy behind the counter posted by Sammy on August 03, 2000 at 14:24:06:

I simply do not wish to type in my email address every time I post. I'm lazy and there isn't much point to it really on a BBS.
I'm not cussing anyone out, wreaking havoc, nor generally being an obnoxious pest here. So mellow out on my not typing the address in every time I post.
Although, it would be handy if the software held your email address...as many other BBS sites do these days. But no biggie, it's not something that is life or death.
But just for you dude, there is my address...it's no secret, I'm not hiding from anyone. Hey, below is my web site too! Come on over and visit.
And just in case one isn't enough for ya, here are some more email addresses you can reach me at;
stinsonx@msn.com
RocketScienceLtd@aol.com
rsrm1@aol.com
rsrm2@aol.com
There, does that make it better? :-)

I'm also not arguing with anyone. Someone else brought Pub 52 to our attention several weeks ago. I would be foolish to ignore it. As I would be foolish to ignore warnings about discussing moderators and such.
I didn't write the Publication, the USPS did.
Had you bothered to read my post competely, you'd have noticed that I get air pistols via the USPS all the time (I just got another this past Wednesday)....so yes, I do know it can be done. I have even done it. That doesn't make it right, nor change their regs.
Email the USPS and explain your take on things to them...okay? :-)

Jack



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Msg. 271501  Posted by Randy from Va on August 04, 2000 at 07:18:16:

Atlantic Guns are carrying this package with a Bushnell
3x12x40 scope for$400.00. Anyone else have this package
and what is the consensus?

Thanks

Randy
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Msg. 271500  Posted by JS on August 04, 2000 at 07:00:36:

In Reply to: YOUR FIRST TIME... posted by Pel-It on August 03, 2000 at 17:08:26:

Sometime back in the 60's when I bagged a small varmint with the Crosman .22 pumper pistol I had just purchased as a replacement for my V300 BB pistol.

Jack
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