In Reply to: Re: YES, the RWS 54 is a good gun ! posted by Rolo101 on August 10, 2000 at 06:46:10:
Is the RWS 48 hold sensitive? Can it hit quarters
at 50 yards?
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In Reply to: Airgun Show in Swartz Creek, MI posted by Quack on August 09, 2000 at 17:28:59:
Tom B, Thom, Mike and Don R., hope to see you all there!
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In Reply to: A Rapid tale......Read and get sick....... posted by Derrin on August 09, 2000 at 23:08:22:
I also have the rapid in .22 and don't believe airguns get any better. To add to what Derrin said (which I all find true) I also wonder how much flatter the .20 shoots cos the .22 shoots as near to flat as theoben claim the .20 does.
Mine is zeroed at 30 yrds and at 50 yrds the pellet (premier) has only dropped 3/4"!!
Groups are amazing . At 30-40 yards I tried that game someone on here suggested about driving in a screw into wood. Easy..
At 40 yrds screw heads are a challenge (resting of course I'm not a great shot) but quite achievable..
I love it
alex
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In Reply to: YES, the RWS 54 is a good gun ! posted by Torsten on August 10, 2000 at 00:56:11:
It's an amazing gun. Not heavier than other springers in it's power class (R1, RX-1, RSW48).
After an easy to do yourself mod no heavy trigger anymore.
Visit Straightshooters "Our Take"for a review on the RWS54. Visit my page for some interesting easy tunes & related stuff.
In Reply to: gas spring for Beeman Kodiak 25 cal posted by george on August 10, 2000 at 02:45:48:
Wouldn`t that be nice. Try slightly decreased velocity but much smoother firing cycle...but no 1000 FPS
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In Reply to: The best airgun (rifle or pistol) of all time posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 15:15:24:
6.6 pounds
carbine length
highly reliable
rugged
adjustable power -- and lots of it
can be left cocked all day if needed
hunting accuracy
great fun
no spring jerk or twang
completely self-contained
lots of change back from $300
pride of ownership
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In Reply to: FOr CANUCK PLZ HELP!!!!!!!! What size is dovetail on p23? posted by s[i]lencer on August 10, 2000 at 02:00:20:
Too small for my liking.
In Reply to: A Rapid tale......Read and get sick....... posted by Derrin on August 09, 2000 at 23:08:22:
Derrin it sounds like you have the ultimate "in an air rifle" for you and maybe several others.Its great to know you are as happy with the Rapid as you are. I have seen post similar to yours talking about 1/2" groups at different distances and as you said consitently. Is this outside to outside? Is it for 12 shot groups? The mag holds 12 right? Do they go where the crosshairs are? I personally feel like some of the top FT shooters in the US would die for 1/2" groups at 75 yards.I have been around (and shot with) some of the best Air rifle benchrest shooters in the US, they cannot achieve that kind of performance. Would you be so kind as to accept some IFP targets from me and shoot them at the required 30 yards and let us know how you score? Regulation IFP is shot from a sitting position but I would like for you to shoot the target from any position that is best for you to score the highest.The inner circle is 1/2" the outer 1".IFP is officially for sub 20ftlb guns but I would really be interested in how you do on the target. You could always draw 1/2" circles on paper and try that to.If you could find the time please do this and let us know how it turns out. Above all keep enjoying your Rapid sounds like you have a winner! sincerely Anthony Storey
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In Reply to: Beeman Firearms posted by BSJ on August 09, 2000 at 21:36:31:
The catalog you have is the only firearms catalog ever published by Beemans. Later their firearms were listed in the regular catalog. The firearms was a major push to broaden their market. In fact the company name was changed from Beeman Precision Airguns to Beeman Precision Arms about 1986. The name was changed back to Beeman Precision Airguns after it was sold to SR Industries in 1993. At this point the only firearms carried are the FWB brand. You may wonder how I know all of this--I was the Senior Gunsmith from 1985 to 1996.
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In Reply to: RWS 54 is this a good gun ? posted by bill c. on August 10, 2000 at 00:49:26:
I was offered one, many people told me not to buy one, many people told me to buy it instantly! What i've heard?
Pro's
Low recoil
Not hold sensitive
VERY acurate
Con's:
Very heavy
Very heavy trigger
Very special scope mount needed.
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In Reply to: FOr CANUCK PLZ HELP!!!!!!!! What size is dovetail on p23? posted by s[i]lencer on August 10, 2000 at 02:00:20:
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In Reply to: Gamo P-23 posted by Mike Lee on August 10, 2000 at 04:11:54:
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My friend has the Gamo P-23. He wants to know of any comments, problems (if any), etc. Thanks again.
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There are different kinds of CO2 cartridges out there. Are any better or inferior to others? Also, last time I went paintballing, some people used nitrogen. What difference does it make? And do they have it for airguns? Thanks.
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In Reply to: MAJOR PROBLEM posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:59:25:
My friend has the Gamo P-23. He bought the exact same laser sight. He also found that it was too large. His solution? He cut 2 small strips of black electric tape to the rail of the P-23. Snug fit. Any other questions or comments on the P-23, just e-mail me and i'll ask him for you. Late.
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In Reply to: Re: Looking for an Airgun posted by john from NY on August 09, 2000 at 23:52:43:
Good advice, but some websites tend to charge more than your local store.
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I've bought a new gun. It's a Daisy Powerline model 1700. Any thoughts or comments? Thanks.
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...are these articles by Tom Gaylord on this pistol available online?
I also added a new Nikko Stirling "Gold Crown" 4X32 pistol scope to my 45 today. I like it all the better and find the increased weight even helps reduce the recoil. I'm using regular scope mounts so I guess time will tell how those will hold on.
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In Reply to: RWS 54 is this a good gun ? posted by bill c. on August 10, 2000 at 00:49:26:
I've had mine (22cal) almost a year now and right of the box with its iron sights it will do quarters at 50yds
I've had a
gsi job done and a Vortex barrel harmonizer put on and it will do quarters at 75yds with a good reddot sight.
It is heavy and the trigger very heavy also.
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Crosman 454 posted by Rulsythe on August 10, 2000 at 00:50:09:
As BB pistols go, this is a good one.
Have a resealed one and enjoy the weight, action,
even the accuracy isn't bad for a BB pistol.
If they are going to reseat the valve, maybe they
could do a power mod also.
BTW the power is decent stock.
HAPPY PLINKING!... John
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I am interested in converting my Beeman Kodiak to a gas spring system. I've heard that my fps will be increased and the vibration decreased. I have a pamphlet from a company called Vortec that claims to have one that gets over 1000 fps. Please post any helpful info.
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has anyone seen one yet??
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In Reply to: Scuba tank posted by Jon F. on August 10, 2000 at 00:59:36:
Jon, an aluminum tank is a great choice and will last you a lifetime. Do not hesitate to go aluminum. If you want a tank that is 3,000 psi or less, than you will have a wide variety of choices in aluminum. If the pressure is 3,000 psi or less, it can be fitted with a K-valve. Most fill adapters that you purchase to get the air from the scuba tank into your gun use the K-valve setup. If you want a tank that exceeds 3,000 psi then you MUST go to high pressure steel. HP steel tanks require a DIN valve. So you must also purchase an adapter that fits the DIN valve so you can use the filler that comes with the gun in order to get air from the tank to the gun. Be careful when purchasing a used tank. Tanks must be certified about every 5 years and this can cost as high as $50.00. If it doesn’t pass, that tank is history! Most tanks, if properly cared for, will last forever. Oftentimes, what drives the purchase of a tank is the maximum fill pressure of the gun and how many fills at that pressure you find satisfactory. Hope this helps.
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In Reply to: Re: Beeman Firearms posted by Driskill on August 09, 2000 at 23:23:11:
I used to have theat same catalog. I actually when to the Beeman shop in those days in San Rafael and got to see soem of those guns in person. The Krico's are sweet. Are they still made?
-MArk
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I saw the commercial for the 400GX and it looks bad ass, but I can't find anywhere that sells them or a reveiw. The same goes for the 45, except I saw them at K-Mart. Well, what do you have to say about them?
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In Reply to: A Serious Of Questions For The Experts. posted by David Hawk From CA on August 09, 2000 at 23:06:28:
Where in CA are you?
Mark
Martinez, CA
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In Reply to: Scuba tank posted by Jon F. on August 10, 2000 at 00:59:36:
Try going to a local dive shop. They usually have used tanks that are reasonably priced. Also if you buy from a local shop it may be easier to get the tanks filled.
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Ive heard it has a 7/8" dovetail? IS IT a 3/8" or 7/8"??? PLZ HELP!!!!! measure with ruler if u dont know! ANYTHING!!!!
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In Reply to: The best airgun (rifle or pistol) of all time posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 15:15:24:
The power and accuracy of a FWB 124, two power
settings like the P1 pistol, built like a tank,
has a breech locking mechanism that automatically
compensates for wear, and it's only 35 1/2 inches
long thanks to a brilliant design.
But then again, I'm biased. I'm a collector and
prefer the older stuff.
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In Reply to: Be brave and think for yourself! posted by ScottC on August 09, 2000 at 23:46:18:
I was simply emphasizing that SIR is an excellent dealer. A few other things, this new firearm replica thing has just been passed. You no longer can order any air gun that resembles a firearm from the us into vancouver. Plus, i have been to BOTH the stores you mention and they offer limited models from a limited amount of companies. You don't seem to realize that the use of MUST is for emphasis. Im voicing advice that will save you a major hassle with customs in the future. Also, I have done extensive research into the topic of importing air guns from the us. I ask you not to be a snobbish jerk and put down someone who is offering helpful advice. Next time refrain from typing nonsense when you are in no position to judge "you don't seem to have a clue" well i do have a clue and if you cant accept that find another form to put people down.
s[i]lencer
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In Reply to: Re: Has it been 30 days? posted by Swinson on August 09, 2000 at 23:12:08:
This may be prying, but could you please tell us what happened. I've been reading rather cryptic posts about your departure (and now your return) for some time now, and can't take it anymore.
Please...
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In Reply to: Re: Why so critical? posted by Swinson on August 09, 2000 at 22:43:20:
Very well stated, I wish I had said that.
Art
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In Reply to: Need parts and possibly repair service for an Anschutz 250 posted by Art McAleenan on August 10, 2000 at 00:39:33:
Try Ten Ring Service at (904) 724-7419 East Coast time
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A Mac1 Career 707II .22 is on it's way with an Axor pump! As well as a Bushnell Elite 4200 8-32! I'm excited and can't wait to say the least! It'll be my first "real" adult airgun. I know I'm gonna want a tank soon but will need to sava up for it and need to collect info. I read on this forum about Luxfer and checked out there site. They only show aluminum and I've heard that steel is safer and should last forever(just what I like to hear), but on the Luxfer site they say there aluminum tanks won't rust like steel. The Luxfer I heard about was steel I thought? And last, the tanks they show don't have a top(valve), what kind of valve will I need to attach an air yoke to?
Thanks!
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does the p23 have a 3/8 " dovetail????? or is it a 7/8"?????
can i mount a daisy electronic red dot sight (made for 3/9" dovetail) on a 7/8" dovetail??
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In Reply to: Re: Is the Gamo R-77 any good? posted by Chris on August 09, 2000 at 10:07:30:
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In Reply to: RWS 54 is this a good gun ? posted by bill c. on August 10, 2000 at 00:49:26:
I'm very happy with mine.(.22 cal)
The trigger is a bit heavy.
It shoots VERY accuratly out to 50yds.
It's not hold sensitive.
Lots of power too...
(sorry about the condensed post, it's a bit too late
for me too type more...)
Take care,
Torsten in Kanada
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In Reply to: A Serious Of Questions For The Experts. posted by David Hawk From CA on August 09, 2000 at 23:06:28:
I am no expert but..
If you are curious about such things a good book to buy is Airguns from trigger to target.
Art
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In Reply to: You're a quick study. posted by John Sa. on August 09, 2000 at 03:14:36:
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In Reply to: Obviously a function of paranoia posted by Michael A on August 09, 2000 at 16:32:22:
If you're going to take this approach, I also recommend a sign saying: "Beware of maniacal owner with large knife."
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Greetings,
Today as I was poking around my dad's house, I came upon a Crosman model 454 BB pistol. As I recall it is a CO2 powered semiautomatic. I believe the ammo reservoir, which is located along the top of the barrel, holds 12-17 BB's. Is this pistol worth repairing? It's all gummed up, and, leaks. Is this pistol a candidate for cool upgrades? Any info would be nice. Thank-you, and, may a fine shooting day be yours. Rulsythe
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I would like to hear from owners or people who have owned this gun.
I know alot of guns needed tune and worked over to get the best out of them.
So, that don't worry me.But, is the out come well worth it.Of course I want the best shooting spring gun
with the best power I can get. Thank you for your time.
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In Reply to: Re: A Rapid tale......Read and get sick....... posted by RBest on August 10, 2000 at 00:34:56:
Quote"Sometimes, everything just goes together perfectly. RB "
Kind of like the famed Winchester 1 of 1000.
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In Reply to: A Rapid tale......Read and get sick....... posted by Derrin on August 09, 2000 at 23:08:22:
Ahh yes,
That's the reason why people ask that same or similar questions all the time. It's hard for one person to own/shoot/review all the different models of airguns. Some on this forum are able to shoot a specific model quite a bit, such as an airsmith. So when you see the post we are simply trying to get an honest answer from as many owners of that model as we can to see if there is a consensus.
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Has any one read about , seen , or used a Theoben Dual Mag ?
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A friend of mine has just acquired an Anschutz 250, which is in need of some replacement parts and possibly repair service. I would appreciate any information as to where replacement parts can be secured and where repair service is available.
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Anybody ever see the crossman model of the beretta 92F or know where to get it? I had one as a teen but sold it, and damn wasnt it the most realistic looking pellet pistol i'd ever seen (got a real one now anyhow...)
Also, are there any decent full auto bb guns? used to see one in gun mags for 30 bucks which ran off a can of freon. That was my teenage dream toy... before puberty.
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In Reply to: A Rapid tale......Read and get sick....... posted by Derrin on August 09, 2000 at 23:08:22:
Derrin: does your trigger have a safety? The best Rapids are safety-less, but pretty hard to get over here. ( the gummint likes to have them shipped with safeties, and as a result; we get the less than perfect trigger units). Then again, airguns are like anything else. Sometimes, everything just goes together perfectly. RB
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I know its not the best rifle but at the time i thought it was powerful, 630/pellet and i got it here in canada which you don,t find to many around here that strong without having to get a fac.I need a scope ,PLEASE HELP!!!.
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In Reply to: Read: easy to make targets out of them (NT) posted by Swinson on August 09, 2000 at 23:23:58:
All I need is a Dinney Coloring book! Gotta go to Dinneyland ! RB
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In Reply to: Re: Slipped out of the clutches of B$$man. posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 23:59:09:
Yeah, I keep looking at the space without the cap and I can see it recreating a really bad crown job! The other thing is that this cap actually has a $3 o-ring to seal it! We're talking "Precision Air Guns" here![snort!]...Willey M
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In Reply to: Re: Beeman Firearms posted by Driskill on August 09, 2000 at 23:23:11:
Right on about the Krico's. Always wanted one myself(slobber). RB
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Recently I read a post about possible locktite inside the bolt area of the CRX making it difficult to cock. I would like to know how to remove the bolt and check for this, as my CRX is difficult to cock. Thanks.
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In Reply to: A Serious Of Questions For The Experts. posted by David Hawk From CA on August 09, 2000 at 23:06:28:
David: an increase in air volume sure doesn't hurt. Stronger springs SEEM like the logical thing to do, but it frequently works out as not such a good idea. Stronger springs can easily make the gun much harder to shoot, because the recoil rises with the strength. A larger compression tube or a longer stroke can yield more velocity, even when the original spring is used. I believe I read somewhere a while back that in order to double velocity, you need a spring 4 times as strong. What a nasty, inaccurate kicker that would be! Like tring to shoot a pogo stick. Power AND accuracy come from achieving a proper balance between power and recoil. Piston weight, spring diameters (inside and outside diameters), proper lubes,# of coils in the springs etc. are why this is often left to the tuners. The weight of the gun is anpther factor that should be considered. A light gun is awful when too powerful. RB(BesTunes)
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In Reply to: Re: Thumbs up to UPS posted by Mark Budai on August 09, 2000 at 23:46:08:
Mark: I was just thinking///"Boy, Wayne ought to have some real good fishing up there!" Fresh griled salmon with dill sauce- yummy!. RB
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In Reply to: Slipped out of the clutches of B$$man. posted by Willey M on August 09, 2000 at 23:45:28:
Bill: two distinct possibilities. One- that cap missing is like changing the setting in a barrel harmonic tuner. Accuracy falls apart. Two- maybe a little muzzle turbulence? RB
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In Reply to: truglo sights posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:41:16:
S[i]lencer-
I bought one for my 2100W for $8. It is a glow fiber optic sight that slides on to the front post. The difference is like night and day. I get better target acquisition and am much more accurate. I reccomend it highly. By the way, it comes with tape or glue or somthing that they reccomend to use. You don't need it, just slide it on the sight.
-john from NY
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In Reply to: Thumbs up to UPS posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 22:31:48:
Why do letters and packages get to the two farthest states better than across town? Sent a check for my O.E. license 3 miles away...took 6 days?...Willey M
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In Reply to: Looking for an Airgun posted by Eli on August 09, 2000 at 23:14:26:
Eli-
Go to websites such as compasecco.com, airgunstore.com, airgunexpress.com, and straightshooters.com to look at some good guns. The benjamin sheridan as reccomended by the previous poster is a good choice.
Good luck to you and have fun.-
john from NY
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In Reply to: For all you canadians... posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 20:56:21:
#1 I just had a pellet gun shipped to me from a U.S. dealer.
#2 I know people who have had pellet guns shipped from the U.S..
#3 A friend of mine just brought a Webley Raider across the
border. He didn't have to show either his F.A.C. or the
gun, just pay the duty. I was there.
#4 There are at least two dealers in B.C. who sell quality
airguns, Italian Sporting Supplies (Webley's) and Granlund
Firearms (Weirauch's).
s[i]lencer please don't tell me what to do "You must go to SIR
Outdoor for airguns." and don't ask me to trust you "Please trust
me and order from a CANADIAN DEALER." when you don't seem to have
a clue. Offer advice, ask questions, do some research, take a chance,
and think for yourself.
ScottC
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Ive heard it has a 7/8" dovetail? IS IT a 3/8" or 7/8"??? PLZ HELP!!!!!
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In Reply to: Thumbs up to UPS posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 22:31:48:
I used to live in Alaska, and have been to Nikiski. Russ, if you like to fish, you should go visit the proud owner of the tuned R9!
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While shooting with Mike Boyle last Saturday I unscrewed the "muzzle cap" from my Kodiak to clean the barrel. (First time since tune, sorry Russ, but it kept hitting!) Went to shoot it last night and it didn't hit. Realized what happend and called B$$man to order a new cap. $26 delivered!...Went to the shooting spot and after 1/2 hour of sifting dirt, found the thing. Called B$$man and cancelled the order. I'd like to buy everyone here a beer!!!
Question, how does the airflow in that little muzzle weight thingy affect my groups so much without the "muzzle cap"?
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In Reply to: The best airgun (rifle or pistol) of all time posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 15:15:24:
Okay, I guess it's up to me to hold up the springer end of this argument...
My brace of HW 55's are the last rifles I would part with. They have it all.
They are extremely accurate, have a great trigger, are not very big or heavy, and are very easy to cock. These are all good things.
Being Weihrauchs and still in production (though not the beauteous walnut stock versions), they are relatively affordable, easy to find, and easy to find parts and service for.
As it comes out of the box, it is a fine target rifle. It won't take you to the Olympics, but with some practice and maybe a barrel sleeve, you can shoot pretty darn respectable scores with it.
Or, you can drop in an HW 50 spring and piston, stick on a scope or light sport peep sight, and take it hunting. Not a 50-yard crow whacker, but certainly a 25-yard bunny killer.
And when you get tired of shooting it, you can hang it on the wall and admire the styling, wood, and workmanship until bedtime.
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In Reply to: Beeman Firearms posted by BSJ on August 09, 2000 at 21:36:31:
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In Reply to: truglo sights posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:41:16:
they are little bars that sit inside a housing that "light up" based on the amount of ambient lite. The marksman biathalon trainer has one and it's very inaccurate as the site is so BIG.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Beeman Firearms posted by Driskilll on August 09, 2000 at 23:13:47:
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In Reply to: FWB P70 FT in " our " future???? posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 00:08:45:
If you want to e-mail me I can give you some information on cost and comparisons between it, the 2025, ZM2002, CRX, CR-97, and some other guns.
Basically it's a very accurate and is pure accuracy to about 45 yards, then the ZM2002 beats it BUT the trigger is better on the 70 for me and I like it for a majority of shots on an FT course.
Granted what I know about FT can fit in a thimble.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Why so critical? Ol' Chip and Dale posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 22:34:49:
NT
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In Reply to: Beeman Firearms posted by BSJ on August 09, 2000 at 21:36:31:
Beeman tried hard indeed to get into firearms. I have a 1984 "Beeman Precision Firearms" catalog that includes:
Krico .22 and centerfire rifles (German, I've shot a couple of these, they are to die for)
Erma .22 and .22 WMRF rifles: pump, lever, and M1 carbine replicas
FWB and Weihrauch HW 60M .22 target rifles
Fabarm shotguns
Agner .22 target pistol (short-lived Danish make, beautiful but a reliability disaster, or so I heard)
Unique (French) and FAS (Italian) match .22 pistols
Korth revolvers (handmade German beauties)
Hege-Silber & PB muzzle-loader pistols
The usual gang of scopes and accessories
Some beautiful stuff--this catalog has more than a few of my own drool marks on it......
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In Reply to: is a sheridan 392 adequate for squirrel rabbit and possum posted by newbie on August 09, 2000 at 21:00:40:
Yeah but just be careful those possums are tough SOB's.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: WHO is Jason what is his email? posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 23:00:33:
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In Reply to: Looking for an Airgun posted by Eli on August 09, 2000 at 23:14:26:
Benji 392...some of the most fun there is about $100
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In Reply to: Re: Has it been 30 days? posted by Swinson on August 09, 2000 at 23:12:08:
nt
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I have never owned an airgun but look forward to owning one. I am wondering what a powerful, accurate, and most of all cheap!! I would accept all suggestions, like less than $100???? And any place where i can get more information about it. Thanks
--Eli
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In Reply to: Beeman Firearms posted by BSJ on August 09, 2000 at 21:36:31:
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In Reply to: Has it been 30 days? posted by Willey M on August 09, 2000 at 23:09:16:
I'm quitting. It takes a certain kind of person to do the job and I'm not it. Too much crap.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: MAJOR PROBLEM posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:59:25:
I just tried it as I bought a bunch of guns and "stuff" last week.
I have a Daisy laser that has a one part mount. laser slide in the top and has one screw through the middle of the clamp. It is TOO big for the gammo P23 rail. IF (and only an IF) you cut the screw and made it shorter you might be able to tighten it enough BUT it's not designed to fit it. I have another p23 with a laser site and mount BUILT for the gun...it rides infront of the triggerguard. Very nice but about $15 more than the Daisy laser from Walmart.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Swinson???.. nt posted by Swinson on August 09, 2000 at 22:59:33:
I should've known you'd get off on good behavior!...Willey M
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Often I have replied to questions on this forum as to which is the ultimate airgun. I have always answered the same : Rapid 12 in .22 cal. i have always been amazed when anyone disputes this opinion. Speaking to Swinson via. phone recently , I came to understand. My Supertwelve with Walnut Tyrolean stock came new out of the box with a better trigger than ANY of the numerous Rekord or Air Arms triggers I have ever seen. It is whisper light and breaks like glass, perfectly predictable every shot. It shoots Preimers at 980 fps. and I CONSISTENTLY get 1/2" groups at 75 yds. At this power I get 50 useable shots from a bottle. It cocks and cycles VERY smooth and , due to Alan Z. it whispers. The perfect airgun ??? OH YES, YES, YES !!!! What's that you say ? You'll give me $ 10,000 for it ? NO WAY !!!!!!! Oh GOD , I can't go on like this any more. I must go and hug my gun!! Swinson says I'm very lucky, that not all Supertwelves are this way. I had assumed they were. Now I understand why not everone agrees with my opinion. Happy Shooting and good night.
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What makes a airgun powerful? Is it the spring? The air pressure? etc.? What I need to know is, just for say, I wanted to put more power in my
Daisy 131, could I take the spring out of my
BSA SS? And if so would it make my Daisy have more power? Or would it do nothing? And if thats the case what would I have to do to modify my Daisy and make it have more velocity? I have no intention of ever trying such a maneuver but it would be interesting to know how it could be done.
Any info would be helpful guys, thanks alot!
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In Reply to: Re: MAJOR PROBLEM posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 23:03:39:
nt
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In Reply to: MAJOR PROBLEM posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:59:25:
God can't help you here. LOL I'd bet the gun is Mertric anyway. BTW- don't leave that ERD from Daisy on very long. They eat batteries. RB
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In Reply to: Some questions about my HW45/P1. posted by Fearon Steele on August 09, 2000 at 02:53:52:
I've had my .177 P1 since 1985--it's older than my son who is starting high school next week!
IMHO it is the best springer pistol ever, short of match-grade recoilless hardware. Hard shooter, accurate, great trigger, fine build quality. My experience with the BSA extends only to handling one a single time, so I will pass on any comparisons.
My gun HATES Premiers, sprays them all over the map. H&N Match and Eley Wasp are good ones.
Another really fun accessory is the shoulder stock, the gun is really a lot of fun to shoot that way. If you get one used, be sure it comes with the higher front sight and longer grip screws, you'll need both.
Easy gun to work on, too. I re-sprung and lightly tuned mine following Tom's articles in the Airgun Letter, it's shooting really great in spite of its advanced years.
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In Reply to: OK, you do get it...How about Jason? posted by Willey M on August 09, 2000 at 22:51:21:
who is jason? what is his email address?
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In Reply to: Swinson???.. nt posted by Willey M on August 09, 2000 at 22:48:28:
Yes?
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ALright i ordered a daisy electronic red dot sight for my gamo p23. The red dot mounts on any standard 3/8" dovetail. DOES THE GAMO HAVE A 3/8" DOVETAIL? Ive heard from some it has a 7/8" dovetail is there such a thing? does the gamo have a 7/8" dovetail or a 3/8"?
Also if the gamo has a 7/8" how can i mount the daisy ERD? will it still mount or do i need an adaptor!?!
PLEASE OH GOD HELP ME!!!!1
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In Reply to: SURVEY THINGY posted by Cody Dotter on August 09, 2000 at 19:31:48:
Oh me oh my. They are all so pretty and shiny and accurate. How can I choose? RB
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In Reply to: Thumbs up to UPS posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 22:31:48:
I got one going to IN via USPS Priority, lets see what happens with that one (please let it get there ok!)
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: alright sorry to those i offended school starts tomorrow... posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:37:55:
Jason offered some info on the P23 and even has an e-mail address. If you e'd him I bet he knows more than me! (wouldn't take much!)...Willey M
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In Reply to: He is baaaack Oh yes Swinsie is back yahooooooooo posted by Steve in CT on August 09, 2000 at 22:47:33:
Like going back out with an old girlfriend...sometimes it's better the second time around (or at least you get to the good parts faster)
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Peep posted by Mike Pearson on August 07, 2000 at 09:57:18:
testin
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In Reply to: Re: If I had to pick the sweetest guns out of the bunch posted by Swinson on August 09, 2000 at 22:44:41:
dem leaks be fixed now. The factory is now selling -no leakers. RB
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In Reply to: Swinson , should I tell them about my Supertwelve ?????? posted by Derrin on August 09, 2000 at 22:46:32:
Raptor is great...was in perfect condition. Been working so I've only put a few rounds through it. You are just the luckiest guy on the earth when it comes to rapids, tell your tale and makes us all sick
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Why so critical? posted by Swinson on August 09, 2000 at 22:43:20:
nnt
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In Reply to: Re: If I had to pick the sweetest guns out of the bunch posted by Swinson on August 09, 2000 at 22:44:41:
Leak is being taken care of after I spoke to you.
The spitfire is in a spiffy condition now
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In Reply to: Re: If I had to pick the sweetest guns out of the bunch posted by Swinson on August 09, 2000 at 22:44:41:
Good to see you back. Did you get your Raptor in good order????????
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In Reply to: SURVEY THINGY posted by Cody Dotter on August 09, 2000 at 19:31:48:
Axsor Carbine, Stalker Cub LE, 707 carbine in .22 not in any real order.
regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: " Kodiak Klub " or " Look at the muscles in my left forearm! " posted by Willey M on August 09, 2000 at 22:19:35:
and who said airguns didn't help fitness. If you shoot that thing much more, your name will be Bluto ! RB
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In Reply to: If I had to pick the sweetest guns out of the bunch posted by Steve in CT on August 09, 2000 at 22:41:07:
Even with the leaks?
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Why so critical? posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:14:47:
The criteria of what you are after is what makes the review.
Pretty much every gun has it's good points and bad points, often times in the magazines and in "professional" reviews we only hear the good parts . This may be due to the fact these guns are on loan and or have been tweeked for the review. As well a lot of reviewers either partner with a magazine and provide "exclusives" in return for what they hope to be better than average reviews or to increase cirulation of a given magazine (on hand washing the other so to speak)
Where the rubber meets the street for me is when some guy/gal who shelled out his/her own money does a review (the only problems there are sometimes the person doing the review has only limited experience or they are biased towards a particular gun) (Steve and his Career is an example of the latter) A thing called buyers remorse kicks in and they can't admit that the $1200 "super gun" they just bought is too much gun for them or not suited for their purpose.
Some people don't have a lot of money so their choice of airguns is limited so they come here and to other forums to get users opinions before they buy (and sometimes AFTER they buy, although I dodn't know why).
In the end one of the things that hangs us all up time and again is not reading the question or changing the scope of the question (poor interprative skills).
We read:
"I want a good plinker, fairly accurate, and not too expensive"
Now the word plinker is pretty universal but I bet some people plink at 10 feet and others plink at 25 yards. Fairly accurate may mean VASTLY different things, your example of 1.4" at 10m is totally innacurate to me. Now cost is entirely a point of the scale of your economy. What's cheap to you may be expensive to me, and what's cheap to both of us may be way out of someone elses range. Also really how expensive do "BB" guns need to be anyway? (I often hear that when talking about a gun I own)
As for the more expensive models, most of the time money does buy you features and accuracy, cheap accurate guns are certainly the minority.
End all, read everything and form an opinion and see where it takes you in your next purchase. As you find like minded folks you may lean more towards their point of view about guns.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Help deciding which scope for Venom HW-80 posted by Jerry D. on August 09, 2000 at 11:41:05:
The B&L Elite 4200 2.5-10 is a fine scope, exceptionally bright, with a true 4x zoom range that allows low power with a large 42 ft. FOV at 100 yds. Limitation is no AO which is important at AG ranges. B&L used to have an AO version of the 2.5-10 Balvar but discontinued it. A shame. The Leupold 4.5-14x40 AO is an excellent scope but not as bright as the B&L and not as high in contrast. Very sharp however. With its AO, you can probably get a critical focus better than the B&L 2.5-10 at high mag for spotting pellet holes. However, I think the Leupold is clearly overpriced. Leupold trades FOV for eye relief and the narrow FOV at 4.5x (20 ft, I recall) could be limiting for hunting with an AG (you don't need long eye relief on an AG and it may contribute to blocking loading port). The Burris 4-12 AO compact is a nice scope. Note that its FOV is somewhat narrow. I think the Burris 4-12 AO compact is overpriced but that scope, as well as the std Fullfield 4-12x37mmA0 are discontinued and you may find a deal that puts it in its proper price range. The B&L 4200 4-16x50 AO is superb but a bit large. Dont underestimate the Bushnell Trophy 4-12x40AO as a best buy. Dr.J.
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In Reply to: Photos from the Atlanta World cup now online posted by pilkguns on August 09, 2000 at 20:29:02:
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In Reply to: WOW! posted by Dave L on August 09, 2000 at 22:35:12:
dave: I think it was a special run !!!!
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what are truglo fiber-optic sights? do they project a dot on a target? are they efficient? bright? any info is appreciated. =)
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In the spring class for me would be the R7 (except offcourse the IZH-61 Russ tuned) and in the PCP category the sweetest one would definately be the BSA spitfire. I fell in love with the spitfire the first time I shot it and it only got better from there. Career would be the bitch with an attitude hehehe. Rapid 12 would be wrath of lead. Joe Young did a hell of a jobon this one.
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In Reply to: Re: Thumbs up to UPS posted by Steve in CT on August 09, 2000 at 22:36:31:
I believe it. it went from NJ to their Kentucky hub, then straight to Anchorage and onto Kenai (estimating about 125 mi SSW of Anchorage). They didn't miss a beat. RB
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In Reply to: Groundhog question.....? posted by Tony Z on August 09, 2000 at 18:32:24:
Fill in the holes. If you find fresh digging, you'll know that there are more.
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In Reply to: Me posted by Dave L on August 09, 2000 at 22:26:34:
refer to above. and honestly id like any of you who own a p23 to give me advice. Is it accurate enough to hit a 2" bullseye at 10 yards say? I find that detailed info on the web is scarce. PLease enlighten me =)
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In Reply to: Thumbs up to UPS posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 22:31:48:
Russ, Alaska is an exception. They have a so called expedited service to Alaska where they really fly things out. Now had you sent it to seattle it would have taken 3 days. But not bad not bad.
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In Reply to: Thumbs up to UPS posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 22:31:48:
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In Reply to: Thumbs up to UPS posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 22:31:48:
I would imagine the local UPS driver doesn't have a ton of stops out that way huh?
Dave
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In Reply to: Re: Why so critical? posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:14:47:
You said, 'I come to this forum and I c airgun so and so sucks i hate it.
or
airgun so and so really isnt as fast as they advertise.'
If the poster gives specifics as to *why* he/she hates it it can provide valuable information to someone considering buying it, ie; It has a stiff or creepy trigger. It's difficult to cock. (Yes...) It has poor accuracy. It's too heavy/light. I could go on...... each of these gives someone else some potentially valuable perspective on their purchase of said gun.
'I'm looking for a good airgun for my money that offers good accuracy...'
Many of the answers I've read posted to this sort of question do in fact direct the questioner to other guns in their price range that may have better overall quality than the gun being discussed. There have been numerous posts directing people to the few less expensive chinese rifles that are worth buying when one has stated a lower budget than would allow for other more expensive (and yes, better) guns.
...and obviously you haven't read some of mine or other's posts regarding the QB-88, the B21/B22 or SM1000 etc. People rave about their Careers, TX's, BSA's etc all the time ... look harder than you have.
Good and bad - all the opinions, info, data have merit and can help one form a sound decision when buying.
Just my opinion ;)
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: Why so critical? posted by Willey M on August 09, 2000 at 22:08:36:
Two of my favorite Disney characters. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Driving Instructions to BB Gun ShinDig? posted by Tom B on August 09, 2000 at 21:49:04:
what time do the festivities start, I'd like to drive up..Sunday e-mail me?
thom
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They amazed me this time. Monday PM, I sent out a tuned (brand new) R-9 to Kenai, Alaska via UPS 3 day select, figuring it would take them 5 days to get it there. It was delivered in two days! The guy got his gun this afternoon. This shooter lives in Nikiski, Kenai National Forest, Alaska. Good job UPS ! RB
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In Reply to: Re: Nice but... posted by pilkguns on August 09, 2000 at 21:52:27:
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In Reply to: Re: My Target Pistol posted by Happy Gardener on August 09, 2000 at 22:28:39:
nt
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In Reply to: I tried to explain as rationally as I could. posted by Willey M on August 09, 2000 at 22:28:59:
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In Reply to: Career in .25 any suggestions will be appreciated,thanks. posted by Sam on August 08, 2000 at 23:44:14:
IN MY HUMBLE OPINION THE CAREER IN 22 & 25 CALS ARE THE BEST FOR THIS RIFLE AND THAT'S THE REASON I HAVE BOTH. I USE MY GUNS FOR VARMINT CONTROL AND ALTHOUGH THE 22CAL IS USED MOST OF THE TIME THERE HAS BE TIMES THAT THE 25CAL PROVED TO BE SUPERIOR--FOR THE LARGER GAME.
IN THE EVENT YOU DO RE-BARREL BE SURE TO BUY THE BARREL FROM A REPUTABLE DEALER CAUSE SOME OF THE EARILER 25CAL BARRELS WERE BAD---WITH DEFECTIVE RIFLING. THE PROBLEM WAS REPORTEDLY RESOLVED WITH THE NEWER RWS VERSION.
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In Reply to: Re: Why so critical? posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:14:47:
If you don't get it now, you won't later. Please don't call people names?...Willey M
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In Reply to: Dave L posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:17:27:
is a Daisy 717, a pot metal special I paid all of $40 for. It will shoot a .25" group at 33'. Too bad I can't hold it well enough to produce that size group. My other target guns are low end also but they work well. There is no need for many to buy expensive airguns. It depends upon your level of enthusiasm for the sport. Some are more interested in snob appeal and pride of ownership than shoot9ing.
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In Reply to: Re: Groundhog question.....? posted by Happy Gardener on August 09, 2000 at 20:46:39:
I just ran water down the hole till it collasped... figured if he wanted to wait till the ground dried he'd be "et by a local carnivor... any way he/she did not come back, and I kept the hole wet for a week... either that or I should have put a little marker over the grave
thoom
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In Reply to: Dave L posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:17:27:
You took that all wrong there little fella, I was just making a joke about the chipmunks. I don't have a problem with low-end stuff. It can be great fun. Buy the pistol you want and go out and enjoy it safely...sheesh
Dave
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In Reply to: Problem with linseed oil stock finish posted by Michael A on August 09, 2000 at 21:10:02:
Try gettign it out in the sun for a few hours. I think that the UV and heat will help to cure the oil.
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In Reply to: Re: I Joined the " Kodiak club " posted by Pel-It on August 09, 2000 at 21:18:04:
OK guys. Let's all get together and show off our left forearms! The rest of me looks closer to Barney Phife, but man! Look at this POPEYE forearm!...Willey M
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In Reply to: Re: Why so critical? posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 22:14:47:
You know not all of us have 600 dollars to spend on a top of the line rifle. If you condemn people for looking at the lower end of the spectrum then your an ignorant obnoxious idiot.
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In Reply to: Re: Why so critical? posted by Willey M on August 09, 2000 at 22:08:36:
that weak, inaccurate rifles or pistols are awesome.......hehehe (keeps them safer)
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In Reply to: Re: Why so critical? posted by Willey M on August 09, 2000 at 22:08:36:
The point im stressing is that you are discouraging ALL airguns. Why not focuss on some positive aspects? I mean I come to this forum and I c
airgun so and so sucks i hate it.
or
airgun so and so really isnt as fast as they advertise.
Sure but i want to know OVERALL is it fun? Nevermind false advertising. IS IT FUN TO SHOOT?
By the way, when people point out an inferior product they ALMOST ALWAYS recommend a model that is FAR more expensive.
eg
Im looking for a good airgun for my money that offers good accuracy. IM thinking about the gamo p23.
answer
No the p23 only has a c-t-c of 1.4" at 10m, go for the fwb XXX.
Cheers,
s[i]lencer
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In Reply to: Well I go back to school tomorrow posted by wayne parrish on August 09, 2000 at 19:49:31:
That is pretty early. I don't have to go again till September. Where do you live?
-john from NY
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In Reply to: Re: is a sheridan 392 adequate for squirrel rabbit and possum posted by john from NY on August 09, 2000 at 22:09:23:
John is right about possum with a 392 stocker.Now with a Mac-1 steroid 392 it's another story in which case possum would be a piece of cake.
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In Reply to: Re: Airgun Show in Swartz Creek, MI posted by Mike Pearson on August 09, 2000 at 21:33:12:
Mike, I probly won't be there until around noon anyways, I have a group bike ride at 8:00 in the morning. Hope to see ya,
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: is a sheridan 392 adequate for squirrel rabbit and possum posted by newbie on August 09, 2000 at 21:00:40:
Newbie-
Possum is really pushing it although it can be done. remember- Shot Placemenent,Shot Placemenent, Shot Placemenent!
good luck-
john from NY
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In Reply to: Why so critical? posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 21:51:02:
The things that are said about someone's gun are real opinions. An opinon is what is given when someone asks a question. Don't confuse opinion with criticism. If someone hears an opinion, then maybe they will not buy an inferior product for the same money that they can have a superior product.
It doesn't help anyone to have a forum if it only consists of "What do you think of airgun XXXX?" "Oh, wonderfull, stupendous, indubutably!" (Picture those little chipmonk guys!)....Willey M
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In Reply to: Crosman Black Venom posted by Munky on August 09, 2000 at 21:28:41:
Munky-
It's pretty cheap and low powered. It is really on the low end of the spectrum. What are you looking for? What will it be used for? What's the price range?
good luck-
john from NY
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In Reply to: Crosman Black Venom posted by Munky on August 09, 2000 at 21:28:41:
Yeah, it's a great start. Go for it. No kidding around here.
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In Reply to: The best airgun (rifle or pistol) of all time posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 15:15:24:
MY VOTE FOR THE BEST RIFLE WOULD BE THE CAREER 707, AND BEST PISTOL THE SIX SHOT REPEATER, AR6.
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In Reply to: Problem with linseed oil stock finish posted by Michael A on August 09, 2000 at 21:10:02:
Micheal: I've done a good many stocks with boiled Linseed Oil. As you correctly noted it takes a while. I've never had to steel wool it. I've always rubbed some on and then rubbed as much off as I could with my hands. If it were me (it's not of course it's your call) I would take a soft fluffy towel and rub the stock down an get as much sticky surface wiped off as I could get, I mean your there already. You can also apply a bit of oil when you do this to cut the gelled surface oil.
The humiditly you mention could be a factor, but I think the real problem here is expecting a built up finish. The oil doesn't build up like a varnish or laquar. It lays in the pores and fibers of the wood and at the surface - this is what blocks the water from soaking in. When it starts looking scruffy you can refresh it but rubbing in a bit more. I always used gun cleaning patches for this after I got finished with a hunting trip. The magic of oil is that your always handling the wood not the finish. Good luck and try the towel thing...
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: GAMO P23 Question.... posted by NS Canuck on August 09, 2000 at 20:37:37:
Alright i recommend that either a) use gamo match pellets (check the gamo website /p23 reviews u will find that gamo match goes the fastest.
or
b) ive heard that tightening the screw in the grip helps out a lot.
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In Reply to: Nice but... posted by Steve in CT on August 09, 2000 at 21:22:10:
captions will be coming, but we have been at various shooting events almost solid since the first of June,and have put up over 1000 photos from them, captions take almost 3 times as long. Most folks would rather see their picture now rather than later. Please check our other events from the past for captions
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Alright almost EVERY airgun I read about on this forum is shunned for one thing or another. For instance, the gamo p-23. Is it not an excellent gun? I mean fine it doesnt fire 400 fps but man! 300 fps is FAST! Think about it the max for paintball guns is 300 and I cnat even c the pellet leave the muzzle. For the price you pay the p23 is awesome! Its very accurate and powerful enough for some really cool outdoor target games. I recommend it totally. For those of you who judge each pistol in terms of match quality I tell you BUY A MATCH PISTOL! The p23 is just plain fun.
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In Reply to: Problem with linseed oil stock finish posted by Michael A on August 09, 2000 at 21:10:02:
Had a similar problem and fixed it with two coats of paste wax. It didn't change the look and dried in a couple of hours. If you didn't wait for your stock to be completely dry between coats, that could have led to the problem. Give it a few days.
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In Reply to: Walther ppk/s or Marksman 1790? posted by s[i]lencer on August 08, 2000 at 21:02:51:
The ppk/s is a real fun gun but not for shooting at small targets, and no BB shooter should be used against a solid target like the bell unless you have eye protection and are ready to get stung. If you are looking for a repeater in BB I would look at the Antics. They are hotter (500 fps vs 280) and have adjustable sights. At least the A112 does. And it is more accurate than my PPK/s. However even after all this I still love the PPK/s. I must have burned 10 CO2 cart. just shooting it without BB's and another 10 with.
Sam
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In Reply to: Re: Driving Instructions to BB Gun ShinDig? posted by Mike Pearson on August 09, 2000 at 21:37:53:
looks like its going to be a crowded table ehh Mike LOL
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In Reply to: Re: Hello, I just got a Gamo Realtree 440 Hunter posted by Cry havok on August 09, 2000 at 13:51:33:
Try RWS Superdomes and Crosman Premiers. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Beeman P3 posted by Tony Z on August 09, 2000 at 18:37:53:
You are talkin about the red dot not a lazer right? Just the red dot in the sight not on the target. Which one did you get? I shot one this afternoon and was pretty impressed. The guy had a 25 dollar red dot on it. Worked pretty well. Didn't get a chance to shoot for accuracy just to feel how it felt. The trigger was great. I have a B/S pump. I went back and looked to see it's fts. The B/S and the P3 are the same.(fps) I was suprised I thought the B/S was stronger than that. Are you guys finding that the P3 is holding up? Also what are you finding shoots the best in it?
Thanks again
Gary
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In Reply to: Beeman Firearms posted by BSJ on August 09, 2000 at 21:36:31:
Brian: yes he did. Some rimfire match rifles at the very least. I've heard the HW pistol is worth ignoring. RB
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In Reply to: Driving Instructions to BB Gun ShinDig? posted by Don R. on August 09, 2000 at 17:37:40:
Traveling on NORTH I-75 go to 69W. Take 69W to exit 129 (Miller Rd.). Turn right on Miller Rd. and head towards the MacDonald's (on Miller). You'll see a Masonic Temple on the left hand side (where the show is being held). If you've driven to Schwartz Creek, you gone too far! See you Sunday. I'll be at the Northern Precision Airguns table. ------ Mr.P
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In Reply to: GAMO P23 Question.... posted by NS Canuck on August 09, 2000 at 20:37:37:
I work for a place that sells the Gamo P23, and I've noticed that we get a large number of returns of that particular air gun. I don't know why... I've never spoke with any of those customers. One thing that might be a point of interest is that the barrel on the P23 is very short. Increasing barrel length would probably give you some more power. But this would really be a major (and probably ugly) modification to the gun... worth it? Probably not. Return it and buy a Daisy Model 45! (you can buy multiple clips for it!)
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I was at the book store today looking at a "Gun Digest Modern Gun Values" book. It had several listings for "Beeman" rifles and pistols. Like P08 and a HW900 (I think). About the only thing it said about them was "Made in Germany."
Did the "airgun" Beeman get into firearm distribution for a while?
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In Reply to: cleaning posted by phredp on August 09, 2000 at 20:03:34:
When it comes to airgun maintenance a little is too much and very little is right especially for springers. I wouldn't put anything down the transfer port and also wouldn't lube my pellets.
What you can do is clean the barrel once with a good degreaser and then not worry about it for long time. Airguns are not like firearms (thank God) that you have to clean every time you shoot them. A spring gun every time is shot tiny particles of the seal/piston lube get shot thru the barrel keeping it oil and rust free. Make sure there is enough moly on the joints.
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In Reply to: Airgun Show in Swartz Creek, MI posted by Quack on August 09, 2000 at 17:28:59:
Paul, I plan on coming although I might be a wee bit late. Got some last minute free tickets to the Lions-Bills game. I was intending to be there at opening but with the game starting at 8:45, I might need to sleep in a bit more than I usually do! LOL! See you Sunday! --- Mike
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In Reply to: Re: cleaning posted by phredp on August 09, 2000 at 20:46:56:
Patches pulled thru. Put a little 409, or Fantastik or Simple Green household cleaner on the first couple patches, then follow with a few dry ones. RB
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
I did this last year and actually photo copied it. I also went to the (oh God) police station and spoke to an officer. He reiterated that if I am shooting on my property with a pellet trap and safe back stop that this was fine. I also am considerate when they are out as I have about 4 houses that line my property, two with pools, 3 with young children. I also recently made a silencer shooting box out of plywood, acoustic ceiling tile and fiberglass insulation. It's about 2x4 feet, the muzzle goes into the box about 1/2 way but does not rest on the box. I shoot from a sitting FT position. I also made a similar box with a light and place the pellet trap at the back. Behind or to the side of the trap box there is zero noise. The other box reduces muzzle report by 80-90 percent.
Eric H
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In Reply to: is a sheridan 392 adequate for squirrel rabbit and possum posted by newbie on August 09, 2000 at 21:00:40:
It is adequate even though not the best choice. I personally dislike pump guns for hunting due to the effort needed for a single shot as well as your inability to stay concealed and still pump the gun for the next shot. Pellets is the sort of thing you have to try and check yourself for your particular gun. Call maybe straightshooters and get a pellet sampler and see for yourself.
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Im new to the airgun world, and im looking for a first gun. Is the crosman black venom any good?
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In Reply to: Some questions about my HW45/P1. posted by Fearon Steele on August 09, 2000 at 02:53:52:
I've had my P-1 for about 3 years. I've got the combat grips and a Simmons 1.5 X 20 scope. It likes Crosman Premier 7.9 pellets. I needed a scope stop to keep the scope from sliding all over the place. I'ld DEFINATELY spring for the
scope. It really makes the gun a pleasure to shoot.
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In Reply to: Problem with linseed oil stock finish posted by Michael A on August 09, 2000 at 21:10:02:
You probably don't need to hear this, BUT my
experience is that, ultimately, linseed oil dries
out woods. Once oiled, I don't know what recourse
you have. If you must, there's something called
"Linspeed" (SP?) that was always recommended for
stock finish. Perhaps you could steelwool off the
current coat and use Linspeed.
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In Reply to: Need help with Hyscore Pistol posted by Nik on August 09, 2000 at 15:12:50:
You might want to take another look at that breach seal. The inner diameter must be larger than the o.d. of the barrel so the air can flow between the the seal and barrel on its way from the compression chamber to the back of the pellet. I forgot to close that little door before shooting (just once) and the result was a very loud POW followed by flinches on the next few shots.
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In Reply to: Photos from the Atlanta World cup now online posted by pilkguns on August 09, 2000 at 20:29:02:
When I look at pictures I like to know who it is and what was he doing in that picture...otherwise it gets kind of boring pretty fast. Just a friendly suggestion, I am not sure if you are familiar of how Peter Huppertz posted the pictures from the match in Leipzig. His comments were entertaining indeed after every picture.
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In Reply to: I Joined the " Kodiak club " posted by Rick g on August 09, 2000 at 17:46:12:
I`m with you on that one. The Kodiak in 25 Cal was the little nasty that got me into this whole wallet draining obsession. Gotta love that big bad ass pellet gun that puts holes through full coke cans at 100 paces... Almost finished this cigar, I`ll just light up another one...
Pel-It
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In Reply to: New Neighbohood posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 16:53:16:
People like the ones you describe coming to you with a petition in hand are not the friendliest kind. So my guess would be that it is ok with the law in your town to shoot airguns on your property. Otherwise those people wouldn't have bothered with the petition, they would have sent you the cops right away. In any case just check in your local library first.
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
I'm with Russ. If it's legal for you to shoot you have the right to. Regardless of what your neighbors think. But if you want to get along with them, you could get a moderated PCP and a silent pellets trap. They wouldn't even know you're out there.
Or you could just move to VT. ;-)
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I am finishing a replacement stock for my RWS 48, and am applying a boiled linseed oil finish. Years ago I used Beechwood Casey's very expensive little bottle of same which included other magic ingredients and while producing a beautiful finish, cost a bunch. So this time I simply went to the hardware store and purchased boiled linseed oil in a can, confirmed that it was suitable for use as a finish, and applied it in a similar manner. Namely, the first coats were applied with a brush and I wiped off the excess. The open pores of the wood soaked it up. When the wood seemed to be "topped off" and ready for the final surface finishes, I would dip my finger into the can and only apply a drop or two at a time, hand rubbing it onto the stock into a very thin film. I repeated this almost daily until I had probably 25-30 coats, then used OOOO steel wool, reapplied many coats, steel wool again, and about 10 more final coats. I gave each coat at least one day to "dry". Actually, they never completely dried---but dried enough to handle. They were always slightly tacky, but not enough so to leave any fingerprints.
Now, here is my problem: It seems to be taking forever to fully dry. The finish is still slightly tacky after almost one week since application of the last coat. I can still smell the finish, indicating that distillates are still evaporating. As I remember the Beechwood Casey finish dried pretty quickly; perhaps some of their "secret sauce" was evaporative enhancers.
Has anyone else used straight boiled linseed oil, and what did you experience? Perhaps it is the humidity down here in Texas, but the drying curve on this stock is tapering off to infinity. Before I get there I am tempted to strip it and just apply a standard polyurethane varnish.
Comments, anyone? Thanks.
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In Reply to: SURVEY THINGY posted by Cody Dotter on August 09, 2000 at 19:31:48:
If it's a gun I would like to own but can't it's
the FN-FAL 7.62 semi auto assault rifle.
If it's a handgun I did own but can't anymore it's
the Webley .455 British Army Officers Pistol.
If its an air rifle then it's my horrible great
heavy RWS-52 German Howitzer...not as refined as
the Weihrauchs I have had but has a certain brutal
charm to it...
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In Reply to: Beeman P3 posted by Gary on August 09, 2000 at 18:26:08:
I got one back in March. It shoots very accurate it is not a powerhouse but a pleasure to shoot you can and will go through lots of pellets I put a tasco mini mag red dot on mine it helps alot for me. A friend of mine shot it and said he wished he had it iver his Nemissis the trigger is better in the p-3 and the grip is more comfortable. Bottom line IMO it is agreat buy!!
MarkD
PS it really does not have any other use except as a GREAT plinker
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In Reply to: is a sheridan 392 adequate for squirrel rabbit and possum posted by newbie on August 09, 2000 at 21:00:40:
But the "Sheridan" is a .20. They're all the same gun now but the "Benjamins" are .17 and .22.
Just about any of the Crosman pellets will work fine. There are other higher priced ones out there but why pay more when Copperheads will work?
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In Reply to: Well I go back to school tomorrow posted by wayne parrish on August 09, 2000 at 19:49:31:
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is a sheridan suitable for the small game listed above and what pellets do benjamins like in the 22 cal flavor
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You must go to SIR Outdoor for airguns. I talked to the customs office and they state that crime levels have elevated significantly in the past years; they attribute this to airguns which are mistaken for firearms. I live in BC and cant order any airguns from ANY us dealers. I suppose this is the same with most states. The thing is customs says that importing airguns is fine but THE LOCAL MAIL OFFICE DOESNT. Please trust me and order from a CANADIAN DEALER. Ok, so u say which one? SIR outdoor. They are based in Manitoba and provide excellent prices for airguns and airgun stuff. Their website is
www.sirmailorder.ca/frame/index_shop.htm
Another good canadian dealer is guns n things though they have slightly higher prices I find. Save yourself the pain and order from one of these dealers.
Cheers,
s[i]lencer
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saw the gun today, it's a no.2 standard rifle in 22. really nice and I took pics. No pic URL on this forum I think. But serious inquiries may get pics if I don't get overloaded. Thanks, alan in ga. anyone know value/scarcity?
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In Reply to: Great suggestions, anyone with any PICTURES?(NT) posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 10:44:49:
I've got a couple of scanned pictures of my portable target frame I can send you if you're interested. Just drop me an email and I'll send them to you. Regards,
Gary
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In Reply to: Re: cleaning posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 20:29:05:
Thanks Russ. Wht's the best way to clean the barrel if at all?
Fred
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In Reply to: Groundhog question.....? posted by Tony Z on August 09, 2000 at 18:32:24:
Depends on the number of tunnels you have. I have seen multiple groundhogs in areas with extensive tunnels. Another chuck may move in also. You know the chucks are gone when skunks take over the tunnels. The Connibear trap is a serious chuck getter compared to airguns and rimfire guns. You may want to close off the tunnels with some rapid setting post hole mix to prevent reinfestation.
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In Reply to: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 09:01:18:
I personally use a lightweight 3-legged folding target frame made from 3/4" thinwall conduit, with a small shelf in front that holds a piece of 5/8" thick plywood. This is sufficient to stop most pellets, and has the added advantage of being instantly portable. When the plwood starts getting badly shot up, I just throw it away and put another piece up. Per noiseless pellet traps: I use a metal trap lined with sound-absorbing foam. This foam has one sticky side like tape; you just cut it to fit, stick it on, and that's that! It also has the added advantage of catching and holding spent pellets, so lead cleanup is minimized. Cheers!
Unc
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Ok, now that I have one, are there any adjustment screws I should know about to get a little more juice out of this ting?
Mine seems really slow so far (just making an observation) and I am not interested in making it do anything other than what it was intended (400 FPS).
I like it well enough but it just does not seem to be reaching the velocity advertised. The pellet performance looks very sluggish (crappy Crosman points and some Beeman lasers).
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
In Reply to: Sorry guys, let me try to extricate my foot for a minute, posted by BCall on August 09, 2000 at 19:44:27:
bill your ideas are sound i think maybe some cold try to unerstand more what yur saying aboiut communicating more beter i think its just common sens to try otherwise things get lost and cofuzed and makes for hard being abel to red
(Let alone answer effectively)
In my most humble opinion.
Perfect spelling and grammar are not what I think was being advocated - simply understandable sentences.
Tim
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
I am going to go out on a limb here and theorize that your neighbors have checked and it must be legal or they would have had an officer stop by and tell you the bad news. That would be the easiest, anonymous way out. Be tactful but don't just back down.
Dave
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In Reply to: Re: Lubricants... posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 19:16:34:
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In Reply to: cleaning posted by phredp on August 09, 2000 at 20:03:34:
Fred: forget lubing your pellets. That's for PCP's, pumps, co2. Not for springers. The lube may cause dieseling. Forget the chamber and spring oil lubes too. RB
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200 plus photos of the Worlds Best shooters, and not one of tehm related to Russ
In Reply to: NS CANUCK WHICH CANADIAN DISTRIBUTOR DID U ORDER p23 posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 19:55:48:
I sent him my money order and bingo! I had the gun in very short time.
His website is http://www.gunsnthings.com/
I live in Halifax Nova Scotia.
Don't forget to visit my website!
In Reply to: cleaning posted by phredp on August 09, 2000 at 20:03:34:
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Am new to airgunning and could use a little advice regarding cleaning and maintenance and a few other things. Did I pay too much for my rig? I got a Beeman R-8, mint condition with muzzle brake Bushnell Sportview 4X Target scope with target knobs and Adj. Obj, Scope stop, Pellet seater, Pellet sizer, and about 2000 asst. pellets. Paid $250. Initial groups from the bench @ 10 meters were not good but have improved considerably after some excellent advice from RBest and others on proper airgun shooting technique. Still working on that. My son bought me a RWS cleaning/maintenance kit that contains Spring cylinder oil, air chamber lube, cleaning pellets a cleaning jag, abore mop , a little black round rubber thingy that I don' know what for and a metal jointed cleaning rod. I've read Pros and cons on cleaning and lubricating and I sure need pointed in the right direction. I also intend to wash, dry, and lube my pellets with slick 50 1 lube, the baggie trick sounds neat. TIA for all your help in the past and future.
phredp
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In Reply to: Benjamin 397 posted by Greg on August 08, 2000 at 10:25:19:
Get the 392...Way better!
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
Curt,
A while back, I visited a friend who owns some very quiet shooting air guns. While shooting some targets in his back yard with his very quiet air guns we received a visit from, not his neighbors, but his wife. Seems that at over one hundred yards distance the air rifle's report was disturbing her and her companions (human and animal). I was really surprised as I had never before experienced such quiet air guns. Of course, we immediately ceased our target shooting. We started up again at a time that worked for my friend's wife. Moral to the story is, I guess, is I think you should try to work out times with your neighbors when you can shoot without bothering them. Sort of like when my son's rock band practiced in our garage, we worked out times with the neighbors when it was OK. Taking the neighbors on in some kind of pissing contest, IMHO, is not the way to go.
chasm
P.S. I think animals are very much more sensitive to noise than humans.
cm
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I need to know. customs wont allow the p23 over the border. which candian distributor did u order froom? what is their webiste or phone number? HELP!!
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In Reply to: Re: Hello, I just got a Gamo Realtree 440 Hunter posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 01:48:58:
I had a Gammo 220, same gun different stock. I am glad I returned it and got Beeman R9.
I had same problems, make sure you use the scope stop that came with the gun. I didn't know what it was for and I was having problems with creeping scope, it creeped to the end and messed up the mounts. So make sure you use the stopper, mounted at the end and have your scope touch against it. Then go through 50-100 shots to get it pushed up tight against it. Better yet return your gun if you can and get a better one. I am so much happier with my Beeman R-9, shoots more accurately, looks a lot nicer, not as loud and trigger is better. For the money you spend on your gammo (300?) you can get R9 and have some money left for the scope.
http://www.dnrsports.com sells R9 for $231
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I want to know which province u live in to c if its just a one time problem or it occurs everywhere
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Hey guy's yes its true I go back to school tomorrow. Im going into the 10th grade but I have something to look forward to after this year i'm going to a vocational school for welding. So now I wont have as much time for hunting.
Wayne Parrish
In Reply to: I agree and am relieved... posted by RSO on August 09, 2000 at 11:20:27:
I apologize for those of you I have offended by my post. I did not mean to sound like I did about grammar and spelling. The above post puts it in a better perspective of what I really meant. I am not really critical of anyone's grammar, but I would simply like to see a little effort by some of the newcomers to make themselves better understood. M Boyle, I did not mean to offend you as you seem to do very well with your grammar, but when someone comes here and uses no punctuation it becomes very difficult to understand.
I feel I could have something to contribute sometimes, but if the writer of the question puts no effort in trying to be understood, why should I take my time and effort to answer them? The misspelling of words or perfect syntax is really inconsequential to me. It is the effort to make yourself understood. Typing a line of random thoughts or questions with no punctuation si bothersome to read and confusing.
I'm sorry again guys, I didn't wish to sound that way, most posts I read seem to have effort put behind them. That's all I would ask, some effort. I know I am far from perfect and you could probably check my posts right now and find several spelling or grammar errors, but I am trying my best, and thats all I would ask of anyone else. Words in a line does not constitute effort. It goes back to the studying and then thinking about what you want to type before you begin. You can organize your thoughts and questions much better and then putting them in an understandable post is much easier.
Thanks for your replies, I really didn't mean to sound condescending in any way.Thanks, Bill
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In Reply to: Re: Air Rifle silhouette and FT recommendations? posted by Joe G. on August 09, 2000 at 10:18:39:
I had a Tau 200 PCP. Takes a lot of effort to make it into a top notch FT gun and it's still low powered. It never got a accurate as I wanted so I turned it back into a 10m gun and sold it.
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In Reply to: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 09:01:18:
You could build several of your silent pellet traps, with peaked roofs, and a hinged door(s). Finished for outdoor use and ornately made they would pass as birdhouses or lawn decor mounted on poles of varying heights and at different distances.
Back the whole thing with that terraced 'horseshoe' embankment suggested below (I like that idea!) and you've got a terrific and decorative landscape as well as a challenging and entertaining backyard range that is easily 'closed' when using the yard for other purposes, and 'opened' when needed for target practice.
The 'birdhouse' target traps could be very decoratively done and would function the same as a dartboard cabinet in someone's rec room or den. Just my thoughts.
Good Luck! (and I envy your length of range!)
Tim
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What is your MOST favorie gun.
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In Reply to: Re: Pellet Weight 11.9 grains. nt posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 19:11:35:
Thank you R Best
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In Reply to: Lubricants... posted by DougA. on August 09, 2000 at 14:30:27:
HW usually plops a fair amount of axle grease in there. You may just need to redistribute it. RB
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In Reply to: Re: New Neighbohood posted by Charlie on August 09, 2000 at 19:01:42:
Charlie: I always thought of him as being rather odd myself. He was one of those really sneaky types. I will not miss him. RB
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In Reply to: Pellet Weight posted by wayne on August 09, 2000 at 18:59:18:
nt
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In Reply to: Does anyone know the development history of the Career 707? posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 09, 2000 at 09:29:22:
What an interesting question. I'd like to know myself. I'm
only guessing here, but I think the power of the Career 707 was
sought after because of tremendously limited firearms availability
in South Korea................
I'd like to hear from someone who could shed more light here too.
Charlie
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In Reply to: What is a postal shoot????? (nt) posted by GMackeddie on August 09, 2000 at 16:26:33:
The temptation to make a tasteless joke here was most
overwhelming...........................
Charlie
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In Reply to: Re: New Neighbohood posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 18:54:10:
Russ: His MO is odd. I had the same experience with a wife-beating
neighbor. He treated her like dirt, but was overly friendly to everyone
else. I finally called the police when things got out of hand next door.
Such a sad way for people to co-exist...........
Charlie
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Looking for the weight of Hobby 22 cal. pellets that were made in Germany.
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In Reply to: New Neighbohood posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 16:53:16:
I had a real butthead neighbor for 7 years. He threatened me on several occasions, which I ignored. As it turns out, he was wife beater; and Linda finally packed her bags and left him filing for a divorce. He now has a new punching bag that he has moved in with and he's put the house up for sale. I hope I don't get stuck with another Nosey Parker ! RB
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In Reply to: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 09:01:18:
Doc , I'm moving my family up North next year on to about ten or so acres. I plan to have a 17 foot deck run all the way across the back of my home. At least part of it will be covered for all weather access. I plan to build a ten foot length of the handrail, gun shooting specific. With 3 lanes of fire. Each lane will have a 2 foot wide table about 3 foot long that protudes back toward the house. Theese will be my shooting benches. I will just pull up my chair to theese and start shooting. Theese tables will , literally hook, over the existing hand rail , where they can be moved out of the way if necessary. My range will have , lights , ribbons at 10 , 20 , 30 , 40 , and up to 100 yds where I can judge wind. Targets will consist of wooden stands for paper, small 2x4 tables for sitting small targets on, steel pipes that are concreted into the ground and are 6.5 feet tall, they will have a cross bar across my 30 ft wide range for hanging targets. I will use no backstop because I will be shooting into thick woods, acres of it. However, there is no substitute for several loads of sand if a backstop is necessary. Good Luck !!!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: Beeman P3 posted by Gary on August 09, 2000 at 18:26:08:
I got 1 about 2 months ago from Joe at Golden Toller. It's a great gun, trigger is great, accurate as hell & fun to shoot. I put a reddot on mine. It's not real powerful, but like I said it's very accurate & a great gun for the money IMO. Hope this helps, Tony.
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Since reading that none of my airguns could humanly kill the groundhog living under my house, I went & got a connibar (sp?) trap & got the sucker today. My question is, is it possible for more than 1 of them to live in there, or do they live alone? Thanks, Tony
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In Reply to: oh ye and ... posted by Gmackeddie on August 09, 2000 at 16:39:47:
GM: that's a really dumb suggestion. First of all, it's against all the safety rules of shooting to point a gun at someone. Second of all, it's a form of threatening, for which the nut behind the trigger could be arrested. Thirdly: such an act would portray shooters in a very bad light, which is excatly the opposite of what is desired. RB
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Can anyone that owns one of these pistols tell me anything about them? Are they pretty accurate? Do they hold up. Do you use a red dot one them? I am lookin for a good low priced pistol. Would you buy another or somethin else?
Thanks
Gary
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
Curt: as has been already mentioned, IF you are within your legal rights in your township; I would continue shooting. The noise factor with an R-9 is pure BS. Lawnmowers, table saws, weedwackers, etc are FAR louder than your springer. In addition, most towns have noise curfew laws that run something like 10 pm to 8 am. As long as you aren't shooting during the night, there complaints are un-inforcible. Were there just three signatures on the petition? Or was that three of them screwed up enough courage to present it to you? RB
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In Reply to: What is a postal shoot????? (nt) posted by GMackeddie on August 09, 2000 at 16:26:33:
I can't remember the address(if someone knows it please let me know)of the on line Pistol shoot. You go to you 16 or 18 foot range and shoot at a series of targets. Chickens, pigs, crows etc. They are pretty small to work with the small range. Each week you email the number of hits and it is scored on a list. Nothin big deal but it is a bit of fun. My problem is, not just bad markmanship, but I think my pistol just isn't as accurate as it could be. That's why I am lookin for another one. Also I'm tired of pumpin eight times pre shot. There are 40 targets pre round.
I am goin to continue to look for the site. If I find it I'll post it.
Gary
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In Reply to: Re: I'm not a BSA buff but... posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 00:05:21:
I don't think he became rich but he did become famous Russ.He came to NZ and contemplated settling here-what an airgun history THAT would have given NZ!However,"we" must settle for the 1942 Webby gun that Daisy bought and mothballed.Of course our defunct Colonial Ammunition Co made pellets for Hyscore for a while but that is really basking in reflected glory,eh!
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In Reply to: I Joined the " Kodiak club " posted by Rick g on August 09, 2000 at 17:46:12:
XZ
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In Reply to: Re: My new neighbors posted by John on August 09, 2000 at 17:44:45:
find someone who owns/buy a rfile in .50 bmg(rather expensive) make sure youve got a mile of free range space and fire away
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Yes Indeed, There was the fine aroma of cigars
and the sipping of brandy. The conversation was
lite and reminiscing about the old days could
be heard. Tales of plastic stocks, low velocities
and pellets bouncing off tin cans... well noooo
more. Proud to be in the Kodiak Club. To those of
you who are there already.... light up a stogie
and relax.
Rick
Yeah, think Ill head out the back door for some
shootin right now.
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
Hello Curt:
Am also a L.I. resident with a similar problem.
While airguns are perfectly legal on private
property, the noise factor irritates my neighbors.
What to do; we could offer them ear muffs,
shoot indoors, or got to the Long Island Shooters
club and pay for the privilege.
By the way, do their dogs bark?
The ones around here don't...anymore
John
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In Reply to: Need help with Hyscore Pistol posted by Nik on August 09, 2000 at 15:12:50:
Is it possible that you haven't got the shutter seated properly to seal the rear of barrel? Sometimes they don't readily nestle all the way home when installing the rear closure. Just a thought.
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
Do alot of research on all the particulars,ie airgun
restrictions state & town and if your a condo association
or anything similar research those agreements also.
Check out what type of rights your neighbors have,
they may supersede all previous. You don't want to
find this out in court in front of a judge!! Be smart
not a smart ass because the laws can be interpeted
to make your stay quite objectionable. Know your rights
and walk softly. Don't lose your cool! Good luck..
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In Reply to: Driving Instructions to BB Gun ShinDig? posted by Don R. on August 09, 2000 at 17:37:40:
don I'll "E" mail ya the directions I have
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In Reply to: Read this post! posted by Michael A on August 09, 2000 at 17:37:11:
I agree. there are better, more polite, and more civil ways to confront somone about a problem than a petition.
-john from NY
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In Reply to: Airgun Show in Swartz Creek, MI posted by Quack on August 09, 2000 at 17:28:59:
Paul im going to try and make it
hope to see ya there
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In Reply to: Airgun Show in Swartz Creek, MI posted by Quack on August 09, 2000 at 17:28:59:
I may be able to attend, but need to know how to get there from I-75 - would appreciate hearing from anyone who has the route...thanks
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In Reply to: New Neighbohood posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 16:53:16:
I just shoot in my basement (Or my uncle's 3 acre yard). No problems, no hassle.
-john from NY
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In Reply to: The RIGHT approach posted by Patrick on August 09, 2000 at 17:13:30:
THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT YOU CAN EVER CALM, APPEASE, SATISFY, JUSTIFY, REACH AMICABLE AGREEMENT WITH, OR OTHERWISE CONSOLE A RABID LIBERAL ANTI-GUN NUT! THE ONLY SATISFACTORY RESOLUTION TO THEM IS THE ELIMINATION OF YOU AND/OR YOUR WEAPON. Which is probably why they presented Curt with a petition and did not even attempt to reconcile an amicable agreement. So unless Curt has been reckless and acting dangerously without regard to his neighbors this is perhaps more telling of their nature than of Curt's behavior.
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In Reply to: Re: or buy one of these posted by john from NY on August 09, 2000 at 16:45:38:
LOL
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Was wondering who else is going to the airgun show this sunday? I heard that Mr P. is going to be there, is that true Mike. If so, I'll be seein ya there. Would like to meet some of my other airgun buddies from here that I have been chattin with too. Talk later guys,
Paul in MI
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Im extremly interested in these guns and know where too get one in the UK but wondered if it were possible to get one at less than £289
In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
That's all
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
I don't know what it's like on Long Island, but all the posts about machine guns, Nazi flags, etc. (I realize these are all in jest) kind of made me think. If these neighbors' only exposure to any kind of gun owner is you, think about how your behaviour may influence them. A defiant, angry response, legally justified or not, throws a very poor light on airgunners in general. A polite, legally backed-up position and a civil discussion may open their eyes, or at least make them a little more tolerant. I admit that going to a petition without discussion first was a rotten trick, but don't sink to their level! Show them how rational, safe, and concerned you are, and you will get a lot better results than spitting in their faces. At the very least, check and make sure you're legal first! Just my thoughts.
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In Reply to: Re: Some questions about my HW45/P1. posted by M Boyle on August 09, 2000 at 03:15:55:
x
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In Reply to: Re: or buy one of these posted by john from NY on August 09, 2000 at 16:45:38:
Are you feeling ok????????
BTW all of this was meant to be taken with good humar
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In Reply to: Re: Now don't be that way... posted by DaveG on August 09, 2000 at 14:37:14:
...but a minor clarification is in order. My original post to this thread, to which you responded, focused on two central issues:
1. Did those individuals longing for a production high-end FT rig based on a 10m rig like the P70FT have experience with a rig like the CRX and if they did what significant differences did they see and if they did not, I recommend that they try a favorite of mine, the CRX.
2. That as a manager...people needed to realize, since there was some goading of FWB...that this type of highly specialized product (irrespective of its merits) would most certainly serve a small very demanding niche. This consideration, volume production, unit price and demand, probably are indicative of why they {FWB} would choose not to do it.
If we wanted, we could go the next evolution and complete the economic cycle and say -- that's why there are customizers of any product type (e.g. Calloway for muscle cars). There is a demand, it is very small, potentially lucrative, but not large enough for production level manufacturing.
No doubt there is always a market for BETTER and indeed there is and will be BETTER guns than the example I gave, but BETTER is only part of the equation.
I further agree that FT is catching on, young in terms of any sport, and my become an olympic level sport someday. But just ask folks like Scott Pilkington what the annual sales volume of high end 10m rifles of a particular class and make is.
I was doing some research on my own to ascertain the viability of a shooting facility for indoor 10m, FT, Silouette, set up in stunning amusement park style with pro shops, inventory, leagues, competition and real family atmosphere. I was somewhat set back to find that total annual sales of all air rifles (or maybe even all pellet guns, I don't have the report in my office)combined in the US was under 300,000. If you start with a volume in the universe like that, then segment into price/demand categories, then into specialty categories you find real quickly that unless your talking about a Crosman or Gamo mass market big box store product, there are really very few sales in a product as venerable as even an R-9.
Several contributers to this sight and others including Tom Gaylord will tell you, this is a hard business to do economically well in. It's got to be about the volume. Thank goodness so many of us enjoy the hobby and give back as freely as many of you do, otherwise there would probably not be enough commercial support to have products come to market at all.
Add to that the unfavorable political and regulatory pressures on shooting sports and there is not a supportive environment without volume to push manufacturers into high risk, high cost, low volume, low margin ventures.
Peace,
Robert.
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
If shooting air guns in your area is legal go back to your neighbor and explain this and inform them unless the law changes you will continue to shoot your air guns and if the dog barks oops better stop here.
I hope you do not feel guilty in any way after all they are trying to stop you from doing something you enjoy and "they" probably are not worth-- better stop again
Geez this is upsetting me I had the same deal with my bow once the neighbor came over and asked that I not shoot my bow anymore. Keep in mind I did have a full one acre lot at the time and a BIG back stop and there was nothing illegal about it. Her excusse was that her daughter played outside (oppisite direction)I told her That I am very carefull and that as long as her daughter was not playing outside I will continue to shoot my bow (it was real hard to be civil about it)
I never heard from them again and I did not loose any sleep over it!!
MarkD
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Has anybody had a similar problem? What did you do?
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In Reply to: Obviously a function of paranoia posted by Michael A on August 09, 2000 at 16:32:22:
Yea, I agree why could they not just come up to me and talk about it, I don't mean to harm anybody or anything (I'm not whining). Just found it relaxing- but now Im "the guy with the guns" just great. I gotta fix this.
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In Reply to: or buy one of these posted by Gmackeddie on August 09, 2000 at 16:41:56:
GMackdaddie, you seem to have, uh, some good ideas.......(As I look around the room nervously)
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In Reply to: Mounts plz read and help posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 15:06:30:
The dovetail is basiclly a groove in the reciever for mounting scopes or sights. The Daisy red dot and the gamo will mount on it.
-john from NY
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In Reply to: What is a postal shoot????? (nt) posted by GMackeddie on August 09, 2000 at 16:26:33:
It's where a bunch of people in different locations shoot a match, and mail their targets and or scores in to the match administrator. The newest twist on this is electronic postal matches, where you e-mail your scores in. I run a "virtual airgun club" that has rather informal postal matches on a semi-regular basis--check out the link below.
go to http://hometown.aol.com/jpnkavu/AirMonkeyDesigns.html
for details
In Reply to: oh ye and ... posted by Gmackeddie on August 09, 2000 at 16:39:47:
and shoot in you front yard
In Reply to: why dont you..... posted by GMackeddie on August 09, 2000 at 16:37:41:
as people walk past shout hail htiler and follow them with the site of the guns
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In Reply to: Obviously a function of paranoia posted by Michael A on August 09, 2000 at 16:32:22:
just get 2 deactivated machine guns on tri pods and sit the on you window sils and open the windows with a flag on your chimney with a swastika on it
great post i wonder what squirell tastes like
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
If they can't see what is happening but only hear a constant "bang" followed by "ping!" or "thump!" then perhaps they need an introduction into your safety procedures, equipment used, and how it is not possible to be a threat. However, obviously this is contingent on your legal standing.
What surprises me is how downright neighborly they were to introduce themselves via a petition. Hell, why didn't they just go ahead and serve you suit.If I were them I would have knocked on the door and expressed my concerns for open discussion and neighborly resolution. If you are on solid legal footing, and being safe with no chance of adverse harm or damage, most people in your position would buy a Career in 9mm and three tanks.
Regardless of legality check your neighborhood deed restrictions; there may be a provision regulating "objectionable activities", "excessive noise", etc. upon which they have based their petition. This is a very subjective assessment, the only remedy for which is to establish a new benchmark. Repeatedly clean a deer rifle in your garage with the door up, get a "FEAR THE GOVERNMENT THAT FEARS YOUR GUN" bumper sticker, and sit out in your front yard eating a raw squirrel, and I don't think that they will bother you again.
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In Reply to: Re: My new neighbors posted by Steve in CT on August 09, 2000 at 16:27:26:
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
Go to your local library and find if in your particular town is illegal to shoot airguns on your own property. If you find out that it is ok to shoot a pellet gun in your yard as long as the pellet doesn't leave your yard, then shoot to your heart's content and let them try to change the city charter. Also make a copy and have it handy to stuff it into the first cop's face who questions you.
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In Reply to: Which is best?? posted by Ryp on August 09, 2000 at 14:25:47:
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
I live on the South shore of L.I also. Make a trek to the local library and look up the laws. Airguns are not illegal to own, but many towns consider airguns firearms, making them illegal to discharge. Theres places to shoot and hunt, i.e Barcelona neck in east hampton. You can shoot rabbits and squirells with a shotgun, rifles are a no-no. I don't know if they consider airguns rifles. The best way to convince your neighbors your not a gun crazes lunatic is just to be friendly, smile, etc.
good luck-
-john from NY
P.S-get the long island fun book published by Newsday. They have info on ranges, places to hunt, etc.
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In Reply to: The best airgun (rifle or pistol) of all time posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 15:15:24:
I meant to shout!!!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: Re: Why hunt starlings? posted by Steve Forbes on August 09, 2000 at 14:55:37:
Steve:
Great site. I went there last night and posted it to the Purple Martin forum so they could enjoy it too. That's a neat video you were told about. Jim Daly had a camera mounted in his martin house and a starling that wouldn't land where he could get a shot with his RWS 48. The starling finally went into the cavity with the camera and Jim shot him through the side of the house sighting in with the camera. One of the coolest things I ever saw. I hope he makes it available to you. Keep checking in on the PM forum, we all hate starlings. Sandy
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In Reply to: I like the TASCO MiniMag .... posted by TinkerMan on August 09, 2000 at 15:43:17:
Yep, the MiniMag is a good one. Got mine from Joe about 6 months ago for my RWS C-225. He won't steer you wrong!
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
Your local library or police dept. should be able to tell you what's legal or not. If your property backs up to really wild land, perhaps you can find out who owns it and get permission. If you back up to State or town land, find out what the hunting regulations are for the area. If you can legally go back into the woods a ways and shoot, that may be your best bet. Long Island is pretty liberal, so you may be in for a fight.
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In Reply to: My new neighbors posted by Curt on August 09, 2000 at 15:51:19:
I would try and find out what the local laws are for your area... They vary from town to town, so it is hard to say what your particular rights are... If it is NOT against and local or town laws to discharge the airguns in your back yard, then you have a different choice to make... If it were within my rights, I may try to find a quieter backstop/trap, but will admit I would find it difficult to give up a right on property I paid for...
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I need some help fellow airguners. I moved into a new house on the eastern end of Long Island and just met three of my new neighbors via a signed petition asking me not to shoot my airguns in my backyard anymore (It scares their dogs?)I am a very responsible shooter, targets only, use a backstop even though my house backs up to their precious Pine Barrens. I own a R9 and a Beeman Tempest. I had no idea I was bothering anybody and trying to be neighborly, said I would never do it again. These are the only guns I own and since I have lived here only a year, how do I convince these people I'm not a gun crazed lunitic. Are they illegal to own and does anybody now where I can go shoot in eastern L.I. area, maybe a club. Jeez I feel kind of guilty, should I? Please don't tell me to ask these people if they would like to take a shot, I think they would run me out of town.
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we will only be shooting Hunter and Regular FT this Sunday,no plinker or pistol FT this time. Gates open by 7:30 am Hunter starts at 8:30 and regular FT should be under way about 10:30. We will aslo shoot an IFP and BR match monday evening (8/14) approx.7:45 pm. Our State FT will be held Sunday Sept 3rd. More on this later. If you need more info let me know thanks Anthony Storey
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In Reply to: Looking for a scope for my daisy 990 riffle. posted by Greg S on August 09, 2000 at 13:03:03:
they are not as accurate as pellets since the round shape is not as "aerodynamically efficient" from a "ballistic perspective" as the more cylindrically shaped pellets. (At least that what previous posters who sounded like they knew what they were talking about have said.)
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In Reply to: Unfortunately, most people would rather replace cheap guns every year than ... posted by TinkerMan on August 08, 2000 at 10:36:51:
- As to why manufacturers make cheap products. It's because they know that's what they can sell. If a manufacturer knew something they could do to make their product better than all the others and still hold the same price point and profit margin, they would probably do it. - Slug
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In Reply to: Electronic Red Dot Sights. Which is the best? posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 15:13:54:
that I bought from Golden Toller. I don't know that I checked every place, but his price was certainly the best I found and the owner (Joe?) was a real delight to talk to.
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In Reply to: Hello, I just got a Gamo Realtree 440 Hunter posted by Cry Havok on August 09, 2000 at 01:36:00:
I have a Gamo 220 hunter that came with a BSA 4x32 scope and it was doing the same thing as yours so I used the same rings but put a Bushnell Sportsview 3-9x40 on it and have never had trouble since.
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In Reply to: Need help with Hyscore Pistol posted by Nik on August 09, 2000 at 15:12:50:
Nik,
I'm kind of interested in getting one of those pistols myself (nostalgia reasons).
Keep us posted on the fix. I may need the info in the future.
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In Reply to: Rule of thumb chrono ? posted by Sid on August 08, 2000 at 19:20:20:
My 52 shoots about 22 ft lbs ME
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Which is the best airgun rifle or pistol of ALL time in terms of quality, accuracy, and pure fun factor?
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Alright guys and girls,
I apologize for posting so many messages but this is a great forum for getting answers (unlike stupid client service centres...).
Im wondering what sort of Electronic red dot sight is the best for its money. Ive heard of daisy, gamo, ADCO and copperhead. Im thinking of mounting one of these on a p-23.
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My vintage Hyscore 800 was working just fine when I had to take it apart and clean out the 30 year old lube. Since then I have tried silicone lube, CV joint grease with moly and regular axle grease. Now it develops less power than before no matter what lube I use. The seal (O-ring) looks fine & the cocking effort seems the same.
What else can I check for? (this thing is pretty simple)
What kind of lube did Hyscore recommend?
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Spoke with him on the phone and he was quite suprised about having his Birthday notified on this forum.
Mainly like myself, we both recently got brand new motorcycles that has occupied our shooting slots.
But thanks for inquiring about him as I haven't spoke with him for quite some time too...great to give an old friend a nice long chat.
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Alright ive searched the web far and wide and i need answers to these questions. First what is a 7/8" dovetail mount? Does it come with the p23 gamo or is it built in to the receiver? If you have to buy one, where? second, will a daisy Electronic red dot (www.daisy.com under m,ax force accesories) or the gamo quick sight (www. gamo.com under products) mount properly on the 7/8" dovetail?
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Yup, i ordered a gamo p23. Ive heard rave reviews of the gun and i have a friend who claims he has .5 accuracy c-t-c at 10 m with the gun. Post your thoughts here. Also is the lazer worth the 40 extra?
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In Reply to: Re: Why hunt starlings? posted by Sandy on August 08, 2000 at 20:27:31:
Very well said, the starling is not a native bird
and has been an ecological disaster to many native
birds. Once I killed off some of the starlings in
my area I started to see a great increase in native
birds.
Check out my web site for further info.
Thanks
Steve
In Reply to: Now, now squirt guns only in the pool. Hey are there any air squirt guns?(NT) posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 13:13:00:
pnumatic pump air squirt guns...
DG
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In Reply to: Re: Disappointed with Crosman pellets incl. C. Premiers with Crosman 2200 and 2100 (495 fps) posted by M Boyle on August 09, 2000 at 03:25:09:
You are right. The Crosman type pellets are not tight enough in the barrel. I think they may not spin as well as the larger soft skirted ones. I can't think of any other reason for flyers especially in case of Premiers that are (should be) better balanced or more uniform around their spinning axle.
Also the rifling may not be sufficient in these barrels. I will keep them in case I get a different rifle like a Beeman. Yeah FAC here!
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Hello;
I recently saw a press release for a company that makes refillable 12 gram and 1- and 2-litre cylinders for airguns. They are refilled by a hand pump. The company is called UltimateForce and the product is Proton-X Pure Air System.
A net search has produced no results.
Do you have any contact information on this company?
Thank you for your time.
PLEASE RESPOND VIA E-MAIL AS I WILL NOT BE REVISTING THIS FORUM FOR SOME TIME.
dleger@imstrat.on.ca
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In Reply to: Now don't be that way... posted by RSO on August 09, 2000 at 14:19:38:
the original post stated the posters desire to see FWB come out with a full blown F/T rig, based on the P70... I too would love to see that happen... I'm also very familiar with the CR-X, shoot, I almost bought one earlier this week... Would I want to take it right out of the box, and try to compete at the national level with it... No, I wouldn't. Because I'd be beaten by the others out there that have been modified... For the average, or above average shooter the CR-X is an awesome piece, that is not the point I am arguing. The point I am arguing is that YES, there is a market for BETTER guns than the CR-X.
F/T is really just starting to catch on in this country, and it is destined to become an olympic event sometime down the road... I'd bet on that. Gold metals will not be had, with guns that come right out of the box... That's just the way things are...
regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 09:01:18:
Joe:
I envy you...55Yds! I've just 10.
Put some directional spotlights under your overhanging roof to enable you to shoot at dusk too.
Happy shooting
Roland
In Reply to: Re: Looking for a scope for my daisy 990 riffle. posted by Cody Dotter on August 09, 2000 at 13:49:01:
Cody-
They wear out the rifling because they are round, giving them more contact with the barrel, and copper is harder than lead. (lead BB's wont wear out the rifling, only copper)
-john from NY
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I am in the process of thinkin about a pistol for the postal shoot. I have a B/S h9 but am gettin tired of pumpin it for the amount of shots required for the shoot. I would like to get somethin a bit more accurate also. Any ideas? I don't want to spend a fortune. I think somewhere around $150 tops. I saw the P3 in the shop today and really liked it. How do you guys that own em like em? Will they hold up over the long run? Do you have any suggestions? I would like something a bit more powerful but close range for squirrel and starlings which the P3 isn't any good for I know. I don't want a C02.
Thanks
Gary
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What can I use safely on my Beeman to lubricate the safety/trigger? Any common lubricants that are readily available? Thank you for you advice.
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I'm ready to upgrade to a more powerful airgun this fall. I've been enjoying a daisy eagle w/scope at 11pumps for squirrel, starlings, etc for the past several years. Now, I'd like something with a tighter group but not spend a great deal on the first rifle. So, which is going to be better for accuracy, and durability, the RWS 34 or a Gamo Hunter 220? Either will have a scope.
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In Reply to: OK, you obviously have a better understanding... posted by DaveG on August 09, 2000 at 14:13:18:
...we had a good discussion going. I did not say that there weren't improvements air gunsmiths couldn't make. Read the original post and the other threads.
I agree that the modified guns are awesome. I further stated that I would be acquiring one if not several of them.
The take off on the discussion was marginal improvement/marginal cost vs. measurable (objective) performance.
Please don't get offended and sarcastic. I appreciate the input and discussion. That, afterall, is the point. Isn't it.
Regards,
Robert
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In Reply to: All good points, but... posted by RSO on August 09, 2000 at 13:55:47:
and knowledge of exactly what equipment, mods and such, the national contenders are using, than I do... I guess now I'm going to have to call Alan back and tell him how wrong he is about the trigger on the CR-X, etc...
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In Reply to: Now, now squirt guns only in the pool. Hey are there any air squirt guns?(NT) posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 13:13:00:
ft
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In Reply to: Re: Air Rifle silhouette and FT recommendations? posted by Joe G. on August 09, 2000 at 10:18:39:
The TAU is a 10 meter gun,and even set up as a pcp does not have the velocity to do F/T... To fit into the price range you specify, I would have to say a TX in springer, and maybe a Daystate Harrier in PCP. The career 707 wouuld really be my first choice, but there is a lot of work that has gone into mine to make it the gun it is... The harrier will work OK right out of the box...
regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Re: Comparison please. posted by jj on August 09, 2000 at 13:03:05:
Do you specifically feel that the P70FT provides you markedly better FT results? If you factor price for intended use does your answer change?
Answering these questions does get to the heart of my post.
Thanks,
RObert
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In Reply to: Re: I agree... posted by Mike Pearson on August 09, 2000 at 13:44:41:
I live in Florida, hail from Texas. In both of these instances, the Fish and Game department do not consider airguns as appropriate for taking game at all. They will, upon direct inquiry concede high powered .20 and .22 caliber airguns are ok and provide for humane kills at appropriate ranges and quarry. But if you check their regulations, each state does publish appropriate methods and calibers for taking each game type. In this particular states, they are specifically silent on calibers below .22 and on airguns in general as appropriate means for taking game.
HTH
THanks,
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In Reply to: Re: Thanks for your opinion.... posted by DaveG on August 09, 2000 at 12:27:10:
I differ in your analysis that I need to be at the match to evaluate the objective results. Your generalization about heavily modified CRXs is just wrong.
1. The tune on the gun (CRX) to get the 850 fps is a regulator adjustment. Which I believe goes to the desire to have a production gun which is owner-adjustable.
2. Multiple time national champion Rodney Boyce shoots the CRX almost completely stock, save regulator and trigger adjustments which are not customizations as much as owner adjustments on the stock gun. Most of the other tweaks are add ons to stock and scope not to the action itself.
3. I have attended many matched, just not competed at this time. If my memory serves correctly, haven't you only recently shot in your first FT match?
4. I never refuted that you (or anyone) could not tell the difference between the highly cutomized guns mentioned and a production high-end FT rig.
5. Having as much in a CRX as the gun itself is not hard, but if you talk about the modifications to the gun not the accessories (scope, mounts, bottom bracket accessories, etc.) but the action, barrel, trigger assembly it would be difficult to spend $1700 and have any semblance of the original gun.
Please don't miss the point. If you take an average shooter, with average or above average equipment and give them great equipment you will see a difference, I don't dispute that either.
My original comment dealt with the desires of other posters to have a very competitive production rig which was owner maintainable. I merely put forth what I thought was a good product in that niche.
Thanks for your comments.
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In Reply to: Re: Hello, I just got a Gamo Realtree 440 Hunter posted by Tom Eng on August 09, 2000 at 13:30:09:
Thanks for the replies,
The pellets that I'm using are the Daisy pointed field pellets. Are there any other pellets that are better than these? I want accuracy the most. And where can I get other brands of pellets? Also, where can I get the RWS C-mount scope rings. Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: Looking for a scope for my daisy 990 riffle. posted by john from NY on August 09, 2000 at 13:11:12:
How do bb's wear out rifling?
<:-@
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In Reply to: Re: I agree... posted by RSO on August 09, 2000 at 11:05:06:
RSO, alot of states have NO caliber restrictions for hunting with airguns (and you mentioned no particular state in your post). --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: RSO, reread.......Between the lines... posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 12:49:06:
Bob, a 15ft.lb. gun in .177 with a good dome can completely penetrate a pigeon or crow at 60-70 yards. Small wound channel but the actual penetration of some domes way out there would really surprise you! Of course, such penetration would be dangerous if it hit a human just so. Nevertheless, the hazardous range of a rim-fire is such that it's not anywhere near the same league as an air rifle.--- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: I appoligize for the misunderstanding posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 13:23:25:
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In Reply to: Hello, I just got a Gamo Realtree 440 Hunter posted by Cry Havok on August 09, 2000 at 01:36:00:
Make sure your scope isn't slipping with every shot. I have the same non-camo
version & a bushnell sportview scope, I used the rings that came with the scope
and it would slip every time I fired it. I've had excellent results after I ditched
those rings and went with an RWS C-mount, which corrected the barrel droop too!
- Tom
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In Reply to: Where can I buy Air Rifle Barrels posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 09, 2000 at 00:39:49:
Bob Holtz at (716) 671- 2866, has .177 muzzle chocked
black oxide finished .613 X 21.25" long for $75 ea. + ship.
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In Reply to: Ok, gotcha. nt. posted by RSO on August 09, 2000 at 13:07:15:
I appoligize for being too vague, typing unfortunately
isn't exactly my area of expertise. Safe shooting.....
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In Reply to: Has anyone from canada ordered a p23 from a us dealer? posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 02:34:21:
I managed to order and actually obtain another GAMO P23 from Guns and Things without trouble of any sort. You may get lucky and not have the same problem.
I would be careful ordering any pistol from the US right now because the RCMP are trying to make a case for prohibiting these items. Customs is more likely to seize the item because they think it is a replica and then send it off to Ottawa to have it tested (further antogonizing the LEGAL IMPORTER) for velocity using the Laserhawk hyper-velocity pellets.
I have ordered rifles without so much as a second look from customs. I could probably buy a surplus tank from the US military with no difficulty, LOL.
Check my website for the full story and pictures of my new (second ordered) GAMO P23. I will write a little about it in another week or two once I have put 1000 rounds through it.
In Reply to: You could bring a gun along and plink from the comfort of the pool(nt] posted by Gmackeddie on August 09, 2000 at 13:09:00:
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In Reply to: Looking for a scope for my daisy 990 riffle. posted by Greg S on August 09, 2000 at 13:03:03:
Greg-
You can shoot BB's out of your gun, but try to keep it to a minninum. BB's will wear out the rifling in no time. It would be best to stick with pellets.
good luck-
john from NY
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In Reply to: Re: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by DougWall on August 09, 2000 at 10:49:12:
Great idea. I was thinking of a portable solution, but hey its my yard. I am now thinking of a built in shelter with permanent shooting bench.
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In Reply to: Re: Lead dangers - Need to hear it again. posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 12:59:25:
Thanks to Docwells for the reference. The article I wrote is very comprehensive and written specifically for air gunners.
The glove is a little over kill, but will help.
Most kids get lead poisoning from inhaling lead dust today rather than eating paint chips. We had one case where a mother was burning a lot of candles that had lead wicks and their child got lead poisoning from inhaling the lead vapor. That is why I try to watch for post about shooting into metal targets indoors. Lead vapor and dust are created.
As with anything, anything is safe if handled safely and anything can be dangerous if handled dangerously. Until you know the risks and safe procedures, you are simply taking an unknown chance. Get knowledge, then you will know how safe lead is when properly handled and how dangerous it is when not.
Follow the link below.
In Reply to: Re: Only if I can see you both working while floating in the pool!! (nt) posted by Rick McAllister on August 09, 2000 at 12:19:07:
(nt)
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In Reply to: RSO, reread.......Between the lines... posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 12:49:06:
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In Reply to: Comparison please. posted by RSO on August 09, 2000 at 09:24:52:
...Has anyone who has shot the "tweaked" 10 meter/FT conversions shot this weapon for comparison.
Yes! I have both. Rather difficult to compare though or to choose one over the other. For me, each has its own good and not so good points.
Hope I understood you question, I do have both the CR-X and the P70 FT.
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Any suggestions from you air gunners on a good scope.650/bbs 630/pellets.Should i be shooting bbs out of my pellet gun?it says you can.
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In Reply to: Lead dangers - Need to hear it again. posted by Keith Morris on August 09, 2000 at 12:09:45:
Ingestion is the issue. Oral or otherwise, there's
no sweatpores on your fingers and your not eating
with your hands like that, right. You should be
alright, but check out the web page just the same.
It's quite sobering.
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In Reply to: Re: I agree... posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 10:40:33:
I do note the price difference as SIGNIFICANT, to say
the least. However with the a much bigger picture involved
the prices don't seem all that outrageous. As far as
firearms are concerened a mile or two away are still
deadly to the average adult. Airgun (in this class)
would be harmless at 400+yds. With accuracy concerned 400 yds. being a risk of getting a welt
the airgun will win, when you compared it to usable with the FT. Where as the .22 at 15 ftlbs
small game hunting energy. This is strictly an estimate, is still deadly to small game at 1+miles
but at 60-70yds a .177 pellet wouldn't be more than 2ftlbs. and seriously dangerous to an adult. Do
On the other hand a .22lr at a mile would be around you see my point?
20ftlbs +/-5, more than enough to cause discomfort to At each of their limits 60-70yds airgun sub
whom ever was unluck enough to be standing there. At 1" with 2ftlbs(a .20 starting at 16 ftlbs at
those distances the airgun still has sub 1" where 50yds only has 3-5 ftlbs, so what would a.177
the firearm would be lucky to hit the same house. be doing at 60-70yds?? It's accuracy at 50yds
Accuracy to power is the key. is mutiple shots through ONE hole w/ a maximum
Consider the laws and availibility of areas to shoot energy of 5ftlbs at 50yds, see where these
a firearm, they want more restrictions and more written estimates are coming from and going to. Now at
(laws, because there isn't enough restrictios and 1 mile the .22lr(genrally the weakest round for
laws for the the lawabiding Because if there were hunting)is still carrying enough energy to kill an
it would stop the lawbreaking low lifes). I can see adult, but with all that power it couldn't hit an
we'll be heading down the same road as Europe and Elephant carrying the 20ftlbs +/- which is an FT max.
Cana"da" with the laws that they've already proven Inconclusion to this issue, at their individual
worth crap. And to be quite frank with you airguns ranges the airgun is far more accurate, right??
aren't but a decade or so from getting hit too "There are few places that a tweaked FT couldbe
used legally (high power,low caliber, moderated)
where you could not use a tweaked powder burner.
Aside from the game and fish regulatory agencies
consider sub .22 calibers unlawful for taking game.
If you cosider a tweaked FT rig as a small game option
in .177 you might find yourself in the (" law breaking
low life") category that we always include everyone,
but ourselves." My response is; I mentioned w/ stock
and resevoir(larger/more shots) changes it would
make the ultimate small game hunter at airgun ranges,
I didn't mention a moderator. As far as legally hunting
on recognized firearm hunting areas your comment is correct,
however hunting on private property is very different
where I live. I know nothing about your state laws and
please forgive me for that. As you know my comment was
referring to violent crimes using firearms.
Just by changing the stock and resevoir you've got a new
gun no longer an FT (for small game) that in some areas
can be used far more often and safer than firearms(on private
property). I do realize that you over looked a couple of things
which in turn gave you the impression that you're dealing with
some ignorant newbie/kid, you're not. I've been shooting for
24+yrs. That doesn't make me an expert, it makes me experienced.
As for Hekler&Koch don't mention it can't be used for hunting,
like I implied earlier there's a lot of Ignorance out there
towards our sports (involving sports). Good luck and safe shooting.
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In Reply to: No " tweaked " guns. posted by dscott on August 09, 2000 at 00:35:26:
You might want to check out Brad Troyer's review of the Anshutz 2025. I don't know if it is available yet, but at least is in the mill as a factory built FT beast!
Happy and SAFE shooting! Myron
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In Reply to: Thanks for your opinion.... posted by RSO on August 09, 2000 at 10:06:04:
There is more to match results than what you will read in the scores, and if you think that the top ranking CR-X shooters are doing so with guns that have come straight out of the box, then you are sorely mistaken... Most of the top ranking CR-X shooters are using rigs that have had almost as much put into the gun, as it cost to purchase in the first place... Some of the top tuners of the rig, which by my standrds is awesome, are quoted as saying that the standard offering is a piece of junk... Do you really think that Robert Crockers CR-X in a stock unit?
I understand why you make the points you do, but I can also see by them that you don't reguarly attend F/T matches, and are not directly involved in the sport, on a week in and week out basis...
Most of the top F/T rigs are reg'd to shoot right in at around 850fps or there abouts, and it is not the drive for more power that heeds the modifications... it is more the drive for consistancy, and shootability...
I am by no means a top level contender, but can I tell the differance between a P70, a CR-X and a ZM2002... you bet your life I can! The first time I picked up a P70, I shot the best groups that I have ever been able to manage... It was the true ability of the gun to perform that allowed me to do so...
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Lead dangers - Need to hear it again. posted by Keith Morris on August 09, 2000 at 12:09:45:
You can do a web search for MSDS and get the Material Saftey Data Sheet page. Then look up Solder or lead and see what the concerns are.
The electronic assembly plants use a lot of solder, most by machine these days (SMD) but a lot of job shops and repair shops still hand solder. I can tell you that wearing gloves is not required but you have to wear a lab coat and eating and drinking on job is not allowed.Also you have to wash hands and break time before doing any thing else.
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In Reply to: hey Doc, in one of my past lives... posted by DaveG on August 09, 2000 at 09:17:57:
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In Reply to: Lead dangers - Need to hear it again. posted by Keith Morris on August 09, 2000 at 12:09:45:
Doctor Joe is the man you're looking for. He has a lengthy dissertation on the dangers of lead and what you should do to protect yourself while enjoying our sport. I think it's under Lead Safety at the following URL.
http://www.babymd.net/aa.htm
If this doesn't get you there, he has a post about 10 down from here with his address in the first post.
HTH,
docwells
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In Reply to: Help deciding which scope for Venom HW-80 posted by Jerry D. on August 09, 2000 at 11:41:05:
JD:
I'm not real familiar with the venom mods, or the particular features you are going to have done. Do you know of any pictures of similar venoms on the net?
I've got a Weaver V-16 on my R-1, in the silver matte finish, so that (or the V-24) might be an option if you plan to go custom on a trigger and/or guard to match. If you get the Burris, be aware that some models require about 2-3 revolutions of the AO to go from 10 to 30 yards. It helps in terms of rangefinding, but also can be a hassle and confusing at times, at least it was for me. Not familiar with those particular B&L or Leupold models. In terms of scale perspective to the gun, the compact scopes might be a little short.
Sloop
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In Reply to: Bisley pest control/beeman crow mags.... posted by GMackeddie on August 09, 2000 at 10:59:19:
I have found that Crow Magnums did not feed or shoot well in my Rapid 12. I tossed them out.. I am shooting with domed pellets only.
Later
Wayne
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I understand that this thread has come and gone several
times. So, I apologize for being rude. But, I think
that each time I shoot my index finger and thumb become
coated with lead dust. It easily washes off but hey- its
lead!
And over time? Lots of lead dust. I would think latex
gloves would solve the issue but look kinda funny.
I wonder what the real health issues are?
Keith
Seattle
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In Reply to: Buy it in Canada posted by TCooper on August 09, 2000 at 12:05:18:
If you have a problem with the P-23 you will have an easier time shipping it back to a Canadian dealer than sending it back over the border again.
HTH,
Todd
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In Reply to: Something of intrest???? Read on posted by Bob Kelly on August 08, 2000 at 22:36:29:
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In Reply to: Has anyone from canada ordered a p23 from a us dealer? posted by s[i]lencer on August 09, 2000 at 02:34:21:
You should cancel your order, if possible and re-order the gun in Canada. This gun is available for $129 from GUNS AND THINGS in Alberta.
When you add on 50% exchange, GST, PST,border handling fees and duty, as well as shipping charges you will pay about the same or more as ordering in Canada.
When you order from another province you do not pay PST, which saves a bit of cash too.
Buy Canadian and save.
You can find the phone number and on-line catalogue for GUNS AND THINGS in the resource section.
HTH,
Todd
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In Reply to: F/T working FPS, Flb. posted by thom on August 06, 2000 at 15:38:48:
Thom,
Below is a link to the Field Target page.
Scroll the frame on the left to get to the rules section. This page has everything you need for FT.
Also has some pictures of Matches & equipment.
I wanted to get some feedback from other airgunners as to which scope to buy for my HW-80.
I was looking at the B&L elite4200 2.5x10x40mm, Leupold 4.5x14x40mm A/O, Burris 4x12 R/A. The gun will be a custom Venom, so I want a nice scope to match. Any comments welcome. JD
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I am attempting to convert a Cannon 737 to a better .22 caliber barrel. If you have had experience removing the barrel from the plastic receiver, I would appreciate any tips on doing this without damaging the original receiver and barrel. Thanks, John
PS: I have already converted it to a side-pump and am in the process of making a black walnut thumbhole stock for it. I will post pictures after the project is complete!
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In Reply to: Newbies, a few questions, posted by BCall on August 09, 2000 at 01:23:28:
...that someone else has spoken up about it also. The research is key. Engaging, educated and properly executed debate and discussion is the fuel of progress.
I cannot help but think some of the respondents missed the point by focussing on your concerns of grammar and spelling. In my opinion, it is not about sounding intelligent to be correct. It is more about respecting your audience. If your point or question is improtant enough to communicate, then the manner in which you communicate it should support the import of the message and the respect you have for the reciever.
I for one, have no problem with infrequent typographical errors or even honest misspelling. But the effort on puts forth in communicating the idea is often indicative of the thoughtfulness of the idea or opinion itself.
On the otherhand, 11 year olds, foriegners (Texans [like me] and Tennesseans included) are just that. I don't expect or critcize their written performance if it is appropriate to their station.
Good points all. Thanks for sharing.
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In Reply to: Bisley pest control/beeman crow mags.... posted by GMackeddie on August 09, 2000 at 10:59:19:
My Crowmagnum likes them, but the TX-HC and Pro-Elite
get a nasty case of spring bounce. I also had an R1&RX1
that liked them. By the way, 50yds. is what I consider
long range. Anything more than that and you should
use domed. Despite what Beeman implies it isn't a
long range pellet. However in the right gun at the
ranges I mentioned you caun't beat it, atleast I haven't
seen anything. Out of my Crowmagnum .20 between 0 and
30yds impact on small game is awsome. The pellet is
too tight for my AirArms though.
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In Reply to: Re: Give Alan a call... posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 09:35:35:
If you want to read about some of these guns you can go to Brad's page in the review section and read about the FWB P70FT, Anschutz ZM2025,ZM2002,Daystates models. Also Air Arms has a model Target-Pro. I haven't see a review of it however.
The clickable link is below
In Reply to: Re: I agree... posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 10:40:33:
...but I don't agree with several points in your last post. If I don't address it in this response then, you may assume I don't disagree with you.
1. ... 22lr at a mile lucky to hit a house while the airgun will maintain sub 1" groups (even if you meant the airgun was at the 400+ yard figure you listed) this is an absurd point. It takes away credibility of your argument to even suggest the notion.
2. ...at 60 to 70 yards .177 at less than 2lbs. Even though an estimate, If you are even close, consistent sub 1" groups at that energy level with all the variables and factors affecting pellet trajectory...and from an FT position...be realistic.
3. My response was focussed on your asertion that the tweaked FT rig was usable for small game airgunning, I did not disagree with that part of your statement, I only added that the design intent of the target rig was not for that purpose, if it was, then, other powderburner options would compare favorably on cost and accuracy. I did not set the limitation on .22lr, you did. A tweaked varminting powderburning rig would not even include a .22lr in my spectrum of choices.
...finally, your last point is the one I was originally driving home. There are very few places where a tweaked FT rig could be used legally (high power, low caliber, moderated) where you could not use a tweaked powderburner. Aside from the fact that most Game and Fish Regulatory Agencies consider sub .22 calibers unlawful for taking game. If you consider a tweaked FT rig as a small game option in .177, you might very well find yourself in the "lawbreaking low life" category that we always include everyone but ourselves in.
I don't mean to argue with you and I mean no offense, but it is a long way from thinking something is cool and appreciating its craftsmanship to including in as a viable tool for specific applications other than for what it is intended. I really like the rigs we're talking about. I will probably acquire them at some point. But, I also would not purport that some things I collect and acquire have legitmate application for my uses. I certainly wouldn't suggest that an H&K MP5, silenced, red-dotted, and lasered is an excellent choice for upland fowl, just like I wouldn't suggest my Beretta Silver Pidgeon 12 gauge is an excellent tactical weapon.
I appreciate your stick-to-it debate.
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In Reply to: Re:(Backstop idea??) Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 10:53:49:
With a gazeebo as an enclosure it could do mutiple
jobs and the wife won't mind it the investment
(she'll be thinking romance and you can think peace).
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I have used these pellets quite alot recently for short range ratting butt finding longrange accuracy a big problem i was wondering if any ones guns like these pellets at long range
Out of all the rifles i have owned/used: an airarms TX200, falcon raptor, daystate harrier, BSA meotoer,wheirauch HW 90 tb, crosman 1322, SMK custom b2, gamo hunter only 2 liked these pellets at long range(HW 90 tb and crosman 1322)i was just wondering does any ones rifle/pistols like these???
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In Reply to: Re:(Backstop idea??) Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 10:40:08:
Hope I can describe this the right way?... Think of
a semi-horse shaped mound with each new layer stepped
inward, the face of the steps would be sloped not
vertical. When it is done through that grass seed
that is mixed with paper by products and fertilizers.
The growing grass will anchor the loam. Like at a
land fill? I've it pictured in my head, but describing
it is a little different.
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In Reply to: Re: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 10:44:04:
Another option would be to build a shooting bench with one of those big market umbrellas attached. Easier to move and would give necessary shade/shelter.
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In Reply to: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 09:01:18:
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In Reply to: Re: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by DougWall on August 09, 2000 at 10:03:10:
I thought of a portable shooting bench, but hey its my yard. I think I might do some sort of covered area with paver brick. I probably wouldn't shoot in bad weather, but it would give shade.
I think I was thinking too small. There are some restrictive covenants where I live about out buildings, but noone has followed them yet anyway. I would want to make it as hidden or decorative as possible.
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In Reply to: I agree... posted by RSO on August 09, 2000 at 10:09:07:
I do note the price difference as SIGNIFICANT, to say
the least. However with the a much bigger involved
the prices don't seem all that outrageous. As far as
firearms are concerened a mile or two away are still
deadly to the average adult. Airgun (in this class)
would be harmless at 400+yds. With accuracy concerned
the airgun will win, when you compared it to usable
small game hunting energy. This is strictly an estimate,
but at 60-70yds a .177 pellet wouldn't be more than 2ftlbs.
On the other hand a .22lr at a mile would be around
20ftlbs +/-5, more than enough to cause discomfort to
whom ever was unluck enough to be standing there. At
those distances the airgun still has sub 1" where
the firearm would be lucky to hit the same house.
Accuracy to power is the key.
Consider the laws and availibility of areas to shoot
a firearm, they want more restrictions and more written
(laws, because there isn't enough restrictios and
laws for the the lawabiding Because if there were
it would stop the lawbreaking low lifes). I can see
we'll be heading down the same road as Europe and
Cana"da" with the laws that they've already proven
worth crap. And to be quite frank with you airguns
aren't but a decade or so from getting hit too.
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In Reply to: Re:(Backstop idea??) Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 09:18:26:
I thought of a dirt or loom mound, but can't picture how to contain the material. I guess making a stall could work.
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In Reply to: Air Rifle silhouette and FT recommendations? posted by Joe G. on August 09, 2000 at 00:27:59:
Thanks Dave, Bob and Joe for the responses. I am open to pcp and spring, perhaps the temperature sensitivity of CO2 should rule it out. I recently saw an ad from Great Lakes Airguns for the Tau 200 set up for scuba, looked like an interesting approach, any thoughts?
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In Reply to: Re: Comparison please. posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 09:52:36:
with your asertion about most significant small varmint airgun. But really, that is not the design intent. For that purpose, there are major tweaked and tweakable powderburners with little to no noise, high accuracy and less than half the price...wouldn't you concede that?
MHO
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In Reply to: Re: Is the Gamo R-77 any good? posted by John Sa. on August 06, 2000 at 20:07:20:
What do you mean when you say "it's repeated failure to index"?
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In Reply to: Re: Comparison please... posted by DaveG on August 09, 2000 at 09:35:22:
How then do you explain the prevalence of top finishers in the regional and national FT matches who are not using ZM2002s and P70 FT rigs?
I see Daystate alot on those lists. I see multiple-time national champion using Daystate without complaining of shortcomings in the rig necessitating the move to highly modified equipment.
Do you sincerely believe, that to hit a .25 - .5" target at 35-50 yards, the differences between the $2000 CRX caliber rig and the $3000 ZM2002 and P70FT rig make a difference.
I would submit that in the hands of a national champion caliber shooter, there is no difference in objective (results) performance.
There may be some variance in the mid ot high level shooter, but I would imagine that statistically there is little significance difference.
Moreover, I would submit that it is indeed more hormonal, competitive edge, psychological drive for MORE POWER that says in a little voice deep inside ... I gotta get me one of em der new-fangled beasts...that is really what drive most of my tweaks and adjustments.
Thanks again for your response
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In Reply to: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 09:01:18:
Let's see- Dream shooting range- 1) Covered shooting bench. 2) Put target holder on wheels so that you can move it to different ranges. 3) Lighting for night shooting.
Have fun!
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In Reply to: Air Rifle silhouette and FT recommendations? posted by Joe G. on August 09, 2000 at 00:27:59:
Joe
A thought from another Joe. A well
tuned springer will get you inthe game
for a lot less cash but will demand a lot from
you. I have been shooting my TX200 for about two
months and it still kicks my butt. My score in F/T
so far is 28 of 60. This past weekend I shot a
barrowed Pro Target. I had only fired it about
ten times to get the fell of the trigger then shot
the match, I scored 40 of 60. I am not trying to scare
you off of a spring gun, I'm staying with mine
but it's something to think about.
IHS
Joe W.
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In Reply to: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 09:01:18:
Doc,up at the farm i built a 3 sided plywood enclosure with a roof with overhang in front(can hang light there for nighttime shooting) and inside this i placed a cardboard box from a washer set up on cement blocks and have a heavy piece of carpeting hanging in the middle with another 3/4" plywood as an additional backer and then if fill it with more carboard(i have an unlimited supply from work)with this setup i can hang a lot of tagets and when the front gets shot out, just replace it!!!! i cover the front with a tarp when not shooting, i guess you could make a real door for it also. hth
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In Reply to: benjamin 392 or sm1000/b22 posted by green on August 09, 2000 at 09:53:28:
What opinions did you get the last time you posted this question? They are both good, and with proper care either of them will last a long time...
Regards,
DaveG
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which is the best right out of the box for small game hunting, and i would like it to last
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In Reply to: Comparison please. posted by RSO on August 09, 2000 at 09:24:52:
50+ yds with three or more pellets going through
ONE whole and 15+ ftlbs? I'm amazed with a stock
change and resivoir change you would have the most
capable small game airrifle bar-none. With production
by FWB with minimal changes (this is a corp.) and
their expertise cost would come down. As you and I
know the custom shops their price either goes up
because of demand or they fade away.
Maybe I'm simple to please, but by anybodones standards
that is amazing performance from a airgun. Don't you
think? Regards Bob Kelly
PS If FWB is reading this,
we're waiting...
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In Reply to: Give Alan a call... posted by DaveG on August 09, 2000 at 09:06:57:
I would, except I just dumped $1500.+ on a couple
of guns and have spent over 5K since this past
december if I don't cool it I'll be paying alimony
and child support before I can blink. Thats if she
didn't have a heart-attack. I don't like questioning
people who do this as a living if I don't have the
cash. Their time is limited and precious. When I have
enough then I'll call until then I'll just wait and
dream and I mean DREAM!
Had I known that there were airguns that shot three
rounds through a single whole at 50 yds I would've
gotten one!!!! Ooooooopppppssss. Oh well, I'm happy
with the guns I do own, but I'm sure that I'd be
happier with one of his conversions!!
Thank you for your time..
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In Reply to: Comparison please. posted by RSO on August 09, 2000 at 09:24:52:
I've had the oportunity to shoot a CR-X on many occasions, and it is a worthy FT rig, either right out of the box, or even more so after Alan goes over it... Not in the same class as the ZM2002. The ZM is pretty much at the top of the food chain there...
Get into shooting F/T competetivly, and you will quickly see the need for the $2500 guns...
Regards,
DaveG
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I feel the Career 707 is an interesting design. I'm particular amazed the power this gun puts out. Does anyone know how the Career came about. Someone told me once, that it was developed to shoot monkeys in some of the Asian countries. If you know anything, please tell us what you know.
Thanks
Wayne
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In Reply to: Newbies, a few questions, posted by BCall on August 09, 2000 at 01:23:28:
like judging a book by it's cover. You don't know me,
there is nothing wrong with my level of intelligence,
but I have a hard time with these things. I always
keep a dictionary close at hand to help me. BTW
English is my first language, although my East
Tennessee drawl may throw some. Don't put us in
corner cause we ain't good spellers.
IHS
Joe W.
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In Reply to: FWB P70 FT in posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 00:08:45:
In that price range, I believe there is a gun for FT that meets all the need described in this thread. The Daystate CRX. I have this gun and can speak with some authority on its performance at the 50+ yard range.
Has anyone who has shot the "tweaked" 10 meter/FT conversions shot this weapon for comparison. If not, I believe many of you may be yearning for something that does exist, now and is owner/user/maintenance friendly.
Before we all rant to the manufacturers to retool and create a gun for a niche that is very small and well served by other manufacturers and custom air gunsmiths, consider the economics.
How many people do you really think (other than myself and probably fifteen others who post here) would spend $2,000 for a gun, $500 for a scope, $500 for case,tank,and accessories for a highly specialized flyswatter.
I for one love the CRX, would like to acquire a ZM2002 and P70FT. I don't have any great desires to become a champion FT shooter. I prefer the simple accuracy of the 10m, indoor, air-conditioned, mental challenge, paper-punching, plastic army man sniping, forget-about-all-the-other-stress shooting.
But as an executive, manager and consultant, I don't see a demand that makes sense to manufacture a run of 1,000+ $2,500 airguns that will raise the attention of federal and state agencies, probably stay in dealer inventories too long and require high involvement customer support.
My humble opinion awaits your thoughtful assault.
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In Reply to: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 09:01:18:
Instead of pressure treated wood for back stop use
loom aka. sifted dirt embankment and use the wood
for cover at either end so in not so perfect weather
you can still shoot out doors. To build the mound you
can use rocks, wood and just about anything else.
Be sure to cover with atleast 12-18" of loom with
no rocks, pebbles or stones. You may have a neighbor
or friend doing landscaping and the mound won't
cost you anything, but will give you many year of
reliable silent pellet/bullet (small calibers).
And to stop the erosion plant some grass seed.
Just an idea.
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In Reply to: Request suggestions for backyard shooting range. posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 09, 2000 at 09:01:18:
Joe, I have in the past, built lots of furniture, all of my own design... it would not really be too difficult to come up with some stuff that we could put together for your backyard range, that would be ornate enough to grace the yard when not in use, yet functional enough to allow you to really enjoy yourself... Let me know if I may be of assistance to you, and I'll be there! I can even drag Rick along to watch...
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Re: Why wait? posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 09:01:16:
He is the one best suited to answer that question,and there are a ton of options that he can offer, so the price is basicaly specified by your needs/wants... His number is in the resources section on the home page of this forum. I think he even has one of his own that he is looking to sell right now...
Regards, and good luck,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Air Rifle silhouette and FT recommendations? posted by Joe G. on August 09, 2000 at 00:27:59:
I think you need to give more specifics in order for us to come up with good recommendations...
What type of power plant do you most prefer? Spring gun, PCP, co2? there are many good guns out there that fit into your selected price range. The first ones that jump into my head are the TX200, or HW97/77, but to get you into the ball park, we need to know a bit more from you...
Regards,
DaveG
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We are doing some major remodeling of our back yard. I will have a 55 yard stretch varying from 10-18 feet wide all to myself. There is dense wood on both ends and to one side and on the other side there will be a raised deck (about 10 feet, we live on a hill), therefore I will have a nice place for a shooting range. I am thinking of making a built in backstop out of pressure treated lumber and possibly a overhanging roof to protect some targets from the weather.
Does anyone have any suggestions / pictures / for what I can do with this space for airgunning?
I have already thought of some built in silent pellet traps made out of pressure treated lumber or cedar.
I am looking for pictures especially, target enclosures, target holders, etc.
Thanks
In Reply to: Why wait? posted by DaveG on August 09, 2000 at 08:43:12:
What is the price range for this conversion??
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In Reply to: Some questions about my HW45/P1. posted by Fearon Steele on August 09, 2000 at 02:53:52:
I have both and prefer the look and feel of the BSA-240 (.22 and .177 calibre), but the build and accuracy of the HW-35.
The HW-35 has been dependable over the years. It has been a worthwhile field companion because of its accuracy and power.
Not so with the BSA-240. The first BSA-240 (.22 calibre) had significant problems: the barrel seal leaked, the grip was much too loose, and the barrel latch broke on both sides within fifty shots. The barrel latch on the BSA-240 (.177) broke on one side within fifty shots. It should be noted that the latches are not dependable and to repair the problem requires a large top assembly, not an inexpensive, small piece of metal.
If BSA can produce a quality 240, it would be a useful plinker. However, with the latch problem I could not recommend it for anything more than a wall hanger.
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In Reply to: FWB P70 FT in " our " future???? posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 00:08:45:
The p70 F/T conversion can be purchased now from Alan Z, or you can send him a p70, and he'll do the conversion... they also show up periodically on Brads page. I've shot the P70 F/T that Alan puts together, and it is Sweet! There is already a good crop of top notch F/T guns out there to be had... So why wait?
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Newbies, a few questions, posted by BCall on August 09, 2000 at 01:23:28:
... since many posters are using English as their second language. (Although for such people, we might be more understanding and forgiving if they would let us know that.)
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In Reply to: Re: My opinion posted by chieftd on August 08, 2000 at 21:35:42:
chieftd,
No no Chieftd, I think we agree. I am not advocating drinking a beer on one hand and holding a handgun on the other. Absolutely not. To this day myself I never mix the two. I was talking in terms of diferent times, diferent activities and not necessarily in a dormatory situation only as a general principle.
Be well
Steve
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In Reply to: Some questions about my HW45/P1. posted by Fearon Steele on August 09, 2000 at 02:53:52:
I originally bought mine in .20 and converted to .177. I have found it to be preferable for me, I like the flatter trajectory. I haven't owned the BSA but I have owned a Webly and I prefer the feel of the P1, guess it's a 45 thing. Trigger is superb. I have wrap around walnut grips which really make mine a looker IMO.
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In Reply to: Personal rant about one incompetent dealer posted by Rx4TRBL on August 08, 2000 at 23:09:09:
Order one of JM's rws48 kits...you won't be sorry. Better spring, better guides, better lubes= better shooting gun.
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In Reply to: a comparison posted by jb/ohio on August 09, 2000 at 00:00:45:
With my 397, I got right around 800 fps with Crosman Premier lights, with dime-sized groups at 10 meters. With the 392, I gotabout 600 fps with Crosman Premiers, and nickel-sized groups at 10 meters.
Shooting at cans at 20 yards, the round from the 397 zips through a can without moving it (no kidding, I thought I missed until I walked up to check). The 392 "bounces" the can pretty hard on impact.
The 392 definitely packs more wallop. I find the difference in accuracy to be insignificant. I can hit anything I can see. HTH
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In Reply to: Why hunt starlings? posted by Dan D on August 08, 2000 at 17:11:10:
The below link will give you a lot of information about starlings:
Chris
In Reply to: Compasseco SS2 posted by Mike V on August 09, 2000 at 02:02:13:
The airgunletter did a review on this gun. The gist was: Accurate, not as nice looking as a FWB65 which it is a clone of. Costs a lot less than the FWB65.
If you are going to get one, call Tom and order the issue containing the review. It's worth the money. It's the July 1996 issue, if I'm not mistaken. They've changed the way they handle back issue orders, and I can't remember the details. You may have to make some sort of minimum order now.
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In Reply to: Disappointed with Crosman pellets incl. C. Premiers with Crosman 2200 and 2100 (495 fps) posted by Lew on August 08, 2000 at 21:26:52:
every try the beeman fts? or H&N FTTS\field target trophy smooths .some like them..i know your likes the groved skirts..but it may not be the groves..might be skirt size
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In Reply to: Some questions about my HW45/P1. posted by Fearon Steele on August 09, 2000 at 02:53:52:
in the UK they have the 12ft lbs laws the P1 maybe does 4-5ft lbs so in the uk im sure its not a fac gun ..never had the other guns but they P seems a strongly built gun with a real nice adjustable trigger i have rubber grips on my P1 ..i get canada has found super lite pellets that push the 20cal over 500..not by much though i think the 20cal was more a Beeman thing only some guns mostly Beeman imports and a RWS gun are 20cal..if you can get a 177 barrel id jump on it..but thats me Beeman ads said the P1 was the most powerful spring handgun when it came out ..at the time it was..not sure now..20cal at 500fps would have more ftlbs then 177 if the right pellet was used..but thats true with 22 & 177 as well "balance" speed, wieght, cal. change one the whole thing changes. find a good light good shooting 22 and be happy.its a nice gun.if you can get th barel id jump on it though.
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In Reply to: Re: FOR NEWBIES and alike check this out!!!!!!! posted by TekWar on August 08, 2000 at 21:47:19:
From a not so good start, you appear to be getting on the right track. Many never figure it out, and most take longer than you did.
Impressive.
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I got to try out my new 45 today and really got to like it. It has just enough recoil to let you know it packs some punch. I passed about ten double loaded Crosman wadcutters through it to calm down the diesling and it doesn't smoke nearly as much now.
How does my pistol compare to the BSA's magnum springer pistol? Do the British or Germans walk away with the trophy here?
Because of it's power levels is this pistol illegal in the UK? I don't see it in the adds in Airgunner World. Only the .22 (and MAYBE the .20) are allowed here in Canada.
Looking forwards to getting to shoot it tomorrow. Maybe I'll put a pistol scope on it eventually.
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In Reply to: Newbies, a few questions, posted by BCall on August 09, 2000 at 01:23:28:
Bill, i know it bugs people when they see badly spelled words, and the like. but give some of us a small amount of patience. some are so into chatrooms, that they never got in the habit of using spellchecker, to fix things..and as fast as the school teaches kids (i learn more about History after i got out of school then i had in school) its a wonder they can spell thier own name..the "see and say" method of reading has been said to make kids dyslexic.let alone outcomebased Ed..i have other reasons why im dyslexic. at birth, i had water on the brain..to releave it, they put whats called a shunt, in the side of the skull to help drain the water off..this caused much of the dylexia of have now
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Ive read a message stating that some guy from canada got his p23 confiscated at customs (ordered from air gun express). I live in BC and ive jsut ordered a p23 from compasseco. IM wondering a) will it come and b) how long does shipping take from kentucky to vancouver (processing of order not included)?
ALSO HAS ANYONE FROM CANADA ORDERED A p-23 FROM A US COMPANY AND RECEIVED IT WITHOUT PROBLEMS?????
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In Reply to: Check out my airgun website! (url inside) posted by NS Canuck on August 07, 2000 at 17:53:54:
I just ordered today a p-23 and i live in vancouver BC. I ordered from compasseco.com, where do u live? do u think that different custom officers would do different things? do u think ill get my pistol?
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In Reply to: Check out my airgun website! (url inside) posted by NS Canuck on August 07, 2000 at 17:53:54:
I just ordered today a p-23 and i live in vancouver BC. I ordered from compasseco.com, where do u live? do u think that different custom officers would do different things? do u think ill get my pistol?
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In Reply to: Re: Little Green Army Men AVAILABLE NOW at ToysRUs posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 21:15:20:
ya mean Willy Clinton wears black silk jammies
and a basket weave hat?????????????
Hi Di Hidy Hidy Ho ...only five more months to go!!!!!!!!!!
In a more seriuos vein:
Those hollow lead soldiers that I shot up, as a youth,were
less than 20 cents,but today they bring big bucks.Still have about a dozen of them
BUT the most valuable are "dead" from Red Rider BB holes..ARGHHH!
GH
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In Reply to: Re: Personal rant about one incompetent dealer posted by Bob Kelly on August 08, 2000 at 23:25:54:
Right you are, I guess in my overly emotional state, I must have lost it typing up that long letter. Sigh, I must be turning into a democrat.
Rx4TRBL
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I am thinking about purchasing this gun. It is supposed to be accurate and the velocity of 520fps seems pretty good. Anybody have any experience with this gun? Thanks, Mike V
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Alright ive searched the web far and wide and i need answers to these questions. First what is a 7/8" dovetail mount? Does it come with the p23 gamo or is it built in to the receiver? If you have to buy one, where? second, will a daisy Electronic red dot (www.daisy.com under m,ax force accesories) or the gamo quick sight (www. gamo.com under products) mount properly on the 7/8" dovetail?
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In Reply to: Hello, I just got a Gamo Realtree 440 Hunter posted by Cry Havok on August 09, 2000 at 01:36:00:
Stock screws tight? Scope tight? Is the bore(inside
of barrel) clean? Are the pellets your using the same
brand? These are the most common problems for what
your describing. Oh yeah is the paralex adjusted
correctly on the scope? Check it by aiming at the target
and moving your head around, only your head keep the gun
still and on target.LOL
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In Reply to: Re: FWB P70 FT in " our " future???? posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 01:35:31:
Again you've been Great. Thanks again and have yourself
a peaceful night. I however will be listening to my wife
snore in 70*humidity@79*F up here in the crookedest little
state in the union, RI. Good night.
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In Reply to: Re: Disappointed Son... posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 01:33:30:
Russ, The safety seems a little weird, it doesn't seem to click of crisply like before, it seems to go part way in and then you can push it in farther.
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Hey,
I just got the Gamo Realtree 440 Hunter and I wanted to know if anyone else had it and had any suggestions on what brand of pellet to use or any other tips. It came with a BSA 4 x 32mm scope. Whenever I think that I have it zeroed in (it is shooting pretty accurately) after a few shots, it stops shooting on target and then I have to adjust the scope again. Does anyoen have any comments that could help me and any comments on this air rifle.
Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: FWB P70 FT in " our " future???? posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 01:14:58:
Bob: I can't predict with any certainty, but better figure on $2K; for lack of a better number. RB
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In Reply to: Disappointed Son... posted by DougA. on August 09, 2000 at 01:28:22:
If these guns were bought new, return it. Beeman is
very good about their warranty. Let me rephrase that
they've got a very good warranty. Best of luck and
don't let the little guy get upset everything will
be fine.
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In Reply to: Disappointed Son... posted by DougA. on August 09, 2000 at 01:28:22:
Doug: what's the safety doing? Is it jammed? Does it pop out when the gun is fully cocked? RB
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In Reply to: Newbies, a few questions, posted by BCall on August 09, 2000 at 01:23:28:
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In Reply to: Newbies, a few questions, posted by BCall on August 09, 2000 at 01:23:28:
BC: I think you are on to something here. Keyword= STUDYING. In this day and age, with instant answers at your fingertips and calculators in every math class, studying could be becoming a lost art. Thinking isn't far behind. RB
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I bot R7's for both of my sons recently. They have a maximum of 500 shots each through them. Tonight we had been shooting for a few minutes on our range and one son's trigger became very hard to pull, and the vibration increased noticeably. The gun has not been dry-fired and I can't find any problems with the stock. Can anyone tell me what this is and a remedy? My little guy can't even pull the trigger anymore. Thanks.
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In Reply to: My dogs leave when I start to shoot my R9 - because of the noise (nt) posted by TinkerMan on August 08, 2000 at 16:33:15:
Tinker: you're dog is telling you "The gun needs a tune!". My old mutt would jump for joy when I carried a gun out. Today, my cat is the same way he damn near steadies the gun for me when he knows squirrel tartare is on the menu ! he'll get in my face, and I can read his mind ..." C.mon pop- I wanna see falling tree rats !" (slurp) RB
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In Reply to: Re: Curious about Pumpers? posted by Tekwar on August 08, 2000 at 17:33:50:
Tekwar,
Please think before making suggestions such as the one above. Leave it up to your fellow airgunners who know what they are doing,
Just a suggestion,
Chris
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In Reply to: Does anyone know the dia. of Crosman BB's and the tolerance limits? nt posted by JimC on August 08, 2000 at 12:44:30:
Problem is, pretty sure that that informaton is amongst eveything else, just not sure where it is. The nominal diameter is .175" and my feeble memory tells me that it was a +.000" -.00X" tolerance. I'll try and find the original specifications but first you have to say why you want to know.
From day one, Crosman BBs have been superior. At first Crosman actually repackaged Benfried BBs, they were a pellet gun company and had never sold a BB gun prior to 1958. It was the great Rudy Merz who was in charge of the BB manufacturing process
The first modern BB was manufactured by Crosman with equipment designed by Merz. These were the first BBs that didn't have the dimples which were standard fare from Daisy and the others at the time.
. Merz was so good at this that after leaving Crosman he made a good extra income selling precision lead balls to automotive manufacturers. for many years, all the tiny lead balls in the old carburators were made in Rudy Merz's garage. It was sweet because it was so good at it that he could make all the balls needed for months worth of shipments in only a couple hours. He went down to the local laundry and got the bleach bottles to store the balls. Rudy was a sharp businessman too. He had a 2 week standard delivery time. If they wanted the balls earlier than that they had to pay a premium.
DT Fletcher
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I'm still a beginner to airguns, but when I wanted to know something I studied all I could before I asked questions. I then could feel my questions were valuable and I didn't feel as if I was wasting someones time. All of us consider our time valuable, and by using my time instead of someone else's, I wasn't costing them anything. Do you guys have an aversion to reading? You have a wonderful tool called the internet that you can learn whatever you want to know with, and by studying for awhile, you could also learn things that can help you when you have other problems or questions, without having to run back to your computer, and this forum, to ask for help.
When I was young, the internet didn't exist, and if I wanted to know something, off to the library I went! I learned so much more by studying than I ever did by asking questions. When my studying had taken me to a dead end, then I began to ask my questions, and I could communicate on a higher level with the person I was speaking to. That being said, try to use proper grammar, I'm no where near perfect, but I try. Using proper grammar has always been a sign of higher intelligence, and can increase your chances of getting the information you want without you seeming childish or foolish.
As others have said, ignore those who continually attack you. However, the more you study and learn, and use proper grammar, the less foolish you will sound, and the less likely someone will attack you. Most people around here can recognize if someone is young, making trouble, trying hard to learn, etc., etc. The more you learn before you post, the less likely you will look stupid, and the more you will be able to contribute in the future.
I am surely not qualified to talk about this, but as I get older, I'm 26 now, it seems that no one wants to truly take the time to learn anything anymore. This was true when I was in school too. I don't understand. I still try to learn new things everyday, and I will never stop. My computer was a blessing for me. I can learn about whatever I want without having to leave my house, why don't you take the time to use yours?
I'm sorry fella's, but as a regular lurker I try to use this forum for information that can help me further my knowledge of airguns. I read this forum for 2 months before ever posting my first question. I've only had my computer for 7 months now, I've been following it for a limited time. Maybe it's because I'm maturing as an airgunner, but I can't recall so many foolish questions that could have been simply answered by a little research. And you learn so much additional information that way! It's a win-win situation for everyone.
I'll apologize now if I seemed rude, it was not my intentions. I simply cannot understand what anyone could have against a little research. It can only better you. There is nothing wrong with asking questions, thats what most everyone is here for, but a basic background and understanding of some simple airgun rules can go a long way to relieving hostilities.
Sorry guys, but I come here to learn new things, and most of these recent postings just aren't getting it. Normally I do just fine and have loads of fun while I read and learn. I only answer when I feel competent enough to do it with out messing up. I've still messed up, but I can keep my foot out of my mouth a whole lot easier by keeping my mouth shut. I know there is a better quote out there, but the person who listens learns aolt more than the person who speaks. Thanks for helping me learn so much guys, Bill
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In Reply to: Curious about Pumpers? posted by Mikey on August 08, 2000 at 17:29:20:
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In Reply to: Re: FWB P70 FT in " our " future???? posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 00:22:32:
Any ideas on how much denaro/cash was involed in the
making of that peace of artwork you're sleeping with
(the gun ofcourse). I do realize that chances are you
don't, but in the case that when the individual whom
loaned it to you may have mentioned it to you in passing
in order to cause you to worry about the health and
well being of said item...<--<<< Sounds like a lawyer,
huh? Don't have the education, but then again neither
do alot of them.........
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In Reply to: Air Rifle silhouette and FT recommendations? posted by Joe G. on August 09, 2000 at 00:27:59:
You may want to consider a Career 707 in .177. From
what I understand that would likely fit the bill and
may even give you an edge. Keep checking your post and
repost if nessesary I'm sure you'll get more than
enough feedback.
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In Reply to: Where can I buy Air Rifle Barrels posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 09, 2000 at 00:39:49:
Ugo: Walther and HW will sell them, but you may have to buy in lots of 100. Try Mac-1 Airguns in California. RB
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In Reply to: No " tweaked " guns. posted by dscott on August 09, 2000 at 00:35:26:
DS: did you read my post? It stated that Mac-1 is doing the work (research) so that one of the big names CAN go into production with these guns. Perhaps Tim can jump in and shed some light on the subject. RB
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In Reply to: FWB P70 FT in " our " future???? posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 00:08:45:
Show you interest and pass it on, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: Swift 6-24X 8-32X posted by tommy on August 08, 2000 at 19:45:54:
The last word I had from Marty was that the new Swifts are in customs, and probably will be released and ready for shipment next week. His mom is having heart surgery this week, so he'll be closed until next week anyway. Please keep Marty and his mom in your prayers! Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Re: Starling Hunting and Trapping posted by Mark er on August 08, 2000 at 15:38:10:
LOL yea I saw that!! There is another one that is the adopt a starling page.
Oh boy and I thought I had a screw loose.
I'm looking for air rifle barrel blanks can anyone send me in the right direction . Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: FWB P70 FT in " our " future???? posted by RBest on August 09, 2000 at 00:22:32:
We need a gun specifically designed from the bottom up for FAC rated Field Target that can be easily tuned and serviced by the owner. Although I have had no personal experience, I have heard from others, that there are as many tweaked guns that don't work as those that do and no one can service them except the "tweaker". Just my outspoken opinion.
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In Reply to: tasco VS Simmons posted by thom on August 08, 2000 at 22:58:26:
I've used both scopes, and IMHO the Simmons 1048T is superior to the Tasco 8-32X. But Russ is right: why not just spend a little more money and get a Swift? The Swift 6-18X44 Model 669 MT is a better scope than the Simmons 1048T, and for just about the same price. And it WILL hold up on springers, no doubt about it. Regards,
Unc
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Howdy, Just shot my first air rifle silhouette match and had a great time. I have also shot in one field target match enjoying that also. I need a rifle that can cover both. Looking for opinions and recommendations for rifle/scope combos costing $450 to $800. My main interest is 10 meter pistol so this is all new to me. Thanks for any assistance. Joe.
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In Reply to: FWB P70 FT in " our " future???? posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 00:08:45:
Amen! FWB or some other big name company needs to develop a FAC rated closed breach system that is desinged from the bottom up for Field Target. Why a progressive company has not done this is beyond me! I agree in the suggestion to let our voice be heard and see if they can and will rise to the challenge.
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In Reply to: Ever thought of taking lessons in grammar and punctuation? posted by Jake on August 09, 2000 at 00:09:23:
Your post is irrelevant.
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In Reply to: FWB P70 FT in " our " future???? posted by Bob Kelly on August 09, 2000 at 00:08:45:
Bob: Alan Zasadny did the conversion on this gun, and Mac-1 Airguns is working with either Steyr or Anschutz for an FT prepped match gun, to go into production. You won't have to hold your breath for too long- I hope. Watch for the tweaked ZM2002's. Out to 50 yards, this P-70 is a long range flyswatter. Pulling the trigger on it is akin to shooting a laser-- as long as you know the scope dope. RB
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In Reply to: Crosman 664GT posted by AirGunner2k on August 08, 2000 at 22:15:47:
AG2K;
I've had a 664GT for some months now, and as an inexpensive , fun , plinker , I highly recommend it. To try to compare it to even a modestly Powered springer of average european quality would be unfair, however the little gun is as reliable as a claw hammer,the air power is free,it has a pretty good and consistant trigger pull and exhibits good plinking accuracy at ranges of up to 30 yards(mine has done clusters of 1/2" at60ft, with Crosman Copperheads,and a cheap Tasco4X scope).
Four pumps @ 33ft. will produce satisfying groups with many brands of pellets. Ten pumps will launch the little pills to around the claimed velocity, but as a hunting gun , it's weak. Quarry should be of the small sort, and a 15 to 20 yd limit would be pratical, proper placement is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE!
The mechanicals are of the tried and proven Model 66 Family, and for the most part are reliable as hell. Plastic stocks are capable of lasting a lifetime, providing you're not some sort of caveman and try to drive tent stakes with the butt. The max pump limit should be adhered to ,as this gun will NEVER be able to compete with a Sheridan. It is similar to it's cousin the Model66 in preformance, though scaled to a more adult size. Aiming and steadyness benifit by theadditonal size, and slight weight increase over the Model 66.
The scope provided with the gun IS for driving tent stakes, paralex woes are a given, and I never could zero mine to any extent to benifit from it's use. WalMart (where the 664GT is the cheapest,has a 4X Tasco for about $8).
Overall I'd rate the gun as a good deal. A cheap starter ,or addition to your small caliber battery, it's a fun gun , fit's all sizes of shooters, is reasonably quiet, and if you shy away from Neandrathol tendencys with it, it'll last forever. A good 48 or so dollars worth of fun!
For serous stuff, raise your benchmark.
Good luck with your choice...
Dave
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In Reply to: Russ: How about this procedure? posted by JPO on August 08, 2000 at 07:44:45:
hehheh, that's WAYYY to neat for me. Just dump some in your shirt pocket, then hold the pocket pen and give 'em a good spritz. The cold shot will give you a cheap thrill at the same time. Another suggestion is to just slosh 'em around in the spitoon for a minute. :>)
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In Reply to: Re: Why hunt starlings? posted by TekWar on August 08, 2000 at 21:52:11:
Your use of the English language leaves a lot to be desired.
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I believe it was yesterday I read a posting by
Russ Best about what very well corner the market for
FT compitition. What I read BLEW ME AWAY and starving,
and I do mean starving for more info on this airgun.
If you didn't read it, find it and I'm positive that
your hormones will also peak.
High power with pinpoint accuracy at extended ranges
is what I got out of the article.
Russ,
If you read this please consider me for adoption, I've
been shooting for the last 24yrs without a misshap.
Have a full time job in the broadband communications
business w/ AT&T. I do work around the house, despite
what my wife says.
But seriously does any body have extensive details.
I understood this was custom work, but that FWB was
looking into it. I say we all get together on this
and E-mail FWB. If they do produce this then others
will follow at a less expensive rate I may add.
Please don't leave me hanging here.
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I've got some time off from a business trip in Vancouver, Canada. Does anyone know of any airgun activities, ranges, clubs up here?
thanks ... Mako
qwe23
089o
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In Reply to: Re: I'm not a BSA buff but... posted by trevor on August 08, 2000 at 23:38:58:
What a positively strange genetic mutation ! Also- was he really poor? LOL Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Old enough to fight die for the country at 18 posted by Ted on August 08, 2000 at 22:33:03:
ted, i remember how bullit proof i thought i was at 18 now at 37 a see how stupid some 18yr olds are givin a gun or car to an 18yr old just scares me :) ok so does a 80 yr old in a car on the highway fight & die at 18? there is a shortage of recruits..didnt you hear? they say they dont have enough inlisting now..now this was posted with humor :) but they have said they need more recruits
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In Reply to: 392!!!!!! posted by Mac1 on August 08, 2000 at 12:46:56:
the following consists of 10 shot averages @ 8 pumps. my 397C produced 616.8 fps with a spread of 7.6 fps and a me of 7.01 with rws meisterkugeln. my 397 produced 693.4 fps with a spread of 11.0 fps and a me of 8.44 ft/lbs using crosman copperhead wadcutters. my 392 produced 639.4 fps, with a spread of 12 fps and a me of 12.98 ft/lbs with crosman copperhead wadcutters; with crosman premiers i got 644 fps, 11.3 fps spread and 13.05 ft/lbs me; with beeman kodiaks i got 559.2 fps, 10.0 fps spread and a me of 14.65 ft/lbs. accuracy (for me) hasn't differed significantly among them. personally, i'd go with the 392. joe blake of ohio
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In Reply to: Try this URL,...inside...hth..nt posted by Chavez on August 08, 2000 at 23:42:12:
Thanks Chavez,forgot your ref to this gun further down the page!
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In Reply to: To behold a Whiscombe.... posted by Tony U. on August 08, 2000 at 16:25:08:
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In Reply to: To behold a Whiscombe.... posted by Tony U. on August 08, 2000 at 16:25:08:
sorry mine hasnt showed yet, and plus im in KSMO :) pelair is in FL you could look harry steiber up if you can get there (pelair) im sure he has one hangin around..just hope mines on its way :)they came up used on brad troyers site some times as well
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In Reply to: Personal rant about one incompetent dealer posted by Rx4TRBL on August 08, 2000 at 23:09:09:
Yes a new spring under warrentee is right but it will be as bad as the first. New spring from RWS is 10. JM probably wants 15 or 20 but it will be better than the original.
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In Reply to: Re: Ballistic inoculation airguns posted by gus on August 07, 2000 at 11:28:48:
direct click
In Reply to: Why hunt starlings? posted by Dan D on August 08, 2000 at 17:11:10:
well dan, starlings are a lot like people. they multiply, they drive out or eliminate other species, and they survive. clearly, they need to be eliminated themselves. and who better to do it than us? and, you can probably kill one with a bb gun. joe blake of ohio
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I am thinking of converting my Career to .25 cal.
but before I do some good advice I can use.
thanks
Sam
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In Reply to: Rule of thumb chrono ? posted by Sid on August 08, 2000 at 19:20:20:
find or get a chrony know the wieght of the pellet and check the speed plug it in to this page youll get the ft lbs
In Reply to: Is there an agent fot the CO2 Junkers AK47 replica?? posted by trevor on August 08, 2000 at 23:22:53:
In Reply to: Re: I'm not a BSA buff but... posted by RBesty on August 08, 2000 at 20:54:01:
Poor old Lincoln Jefferies was the father of the underlever/tap loading cockers chaps!
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In Reply to: Curious about Pumpers? posted by Mikey on August 08, 2000 at 17:29:20:
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In Reply to: 3rd Airgun Digest being auctioned / auction thoughts in general posted by JS on August 07, 2000 at 12:55:35:
a couple of years ago i bought the 1st and 2nd editions of airgun digest for $2 apiece at a local gunshop. they were being advertised elsewhere for $50 or more. did i hit good luck? sure. but the gunshop had them for years without selling them and put them out on a disposal table,so those folks didn't lose either. three months ago i broke my 30 year old fred bear grizzly recurve bow. i spent 3 months pouring over catalogs and visiting local archery shops. the prices were high, the draw weights too high, and the draw lengths were standard (an inch longer than mine). went to a flea market last saturday and bought a 40 lb. fiberglass recurve with a 27" draw for $47 from a fellow who talked the talk and walked the walk. perfect for me. i think there's a moral here (take your time, look, listen, learn and shop); on the other hand, sometimes when you see what you want, buy it, because it might not wait for you. this may not be very helpful advice, but in my experience it's accurate. joe blake of ohio
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In Reply to: Personal rant about one incompetent dealer posted by Rx4TRBL on August 08, 2000 at 23:09:09:
It's AUGUST 8th, not october 8th. As I get older
the days go by faster. Please don't cheat me out of
days for shooting my guns, it's the only peaceful
time I get to my self. Don't think of this as a knock,
think of it as a friend giving you two extra months.
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In Reply to: Your lucky day... (URL inside) posted by Penn on August 08, 2000 at 22:54:48:
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In Reply to: tasco VS Simmons posted by thom on August 08, 2000 at 22:58:26:
I don't know about those two, however I can tell you
avoid the Bushnell 6-18x(40mm) scopes (Trophy series).
On the higher magnifications they're prone to
tunnel-vision and glare. If you've heard of a fix
for this please respond.
I also have two Bushnell 4-12x(40) also Trophy series
and a B&L 3000 Elite. The Elite definately has a
substancial edge, though for the price I'm not sure
because I can only compare the four. I've heard good
things about the Swifts too.LOL
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In Reply to: Personal rant about one incompetent dealer posted by Rx4TRBL on August 08, 2000 at 23:09:09:
Popularlink is a discount clearing house, not an airgun dealer. I doubt that anyone there would in any way be qualified to remove an airgun mainspring. They are also unresponsive to some outrageous and erroneous advertising claims. These people can barely tell the difference between a dutch oven and a pellet rifle, so I will not deal with them. RB
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As much as it pains me to post negative stuff about certain dealers, I just couldn't help myself this time as popularlink.com has just irked me so much by their incompetence, I just had to rant. There's just something therapeutic about it. So, please don't read this if you are at the slightest bit uninterested, I'm just venting. And please do deal with James at Funsupply as I've heard only good things about his operation and would have purchased from him if he didn't require the mailing address to be the same as the billing addy. So here's my letter to popularlink.
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This is ****** ***, you failed to call me back about the condition of the supermax for a return. Therefore, I called my credit card company and registered a dispute for the purchase of the rifle with your company.
You guys are wholly incompetent in resolving my problem. When the main spring broke and you told me it would take 1 week to order and send it, fine that's ok. So you told me to call you back in a week to give you an address to send it to. Why you couldn't take it right then and there and save me a phone call, I have no idea. So I call several times after, first the spring wasn't in yet, so you tell me call again. Fine, I did that two more times until the guy (very slight accent) tells me the spring is in. I tell him to send it to my San Francisco address and tell him I'm moving from my Stockton address. He says ok and will send it out today. That was around the 27th of july. I'm thinking great, when I finish my finals and head back to Sf, I'll fix my gun, enjoy my 12 days of vacation and shoot it before my rotations start. It is now the 8th of october, I have no spring yet and from what you guys told me today, you sent it to my old address at Stockton which I stressed I wouldn't be at. You also told me UPS won't deliver my package to my Stockton address until the 11th. So there's no way in hell I'll be getting that spring anytime soon.
So here I sit with a broken gun that's been out of order days away from being broken longer than it's been operational with no end in sight.
All I want is to return this piece of junk and get a fair return on my purchase. After all, I can't recoup the losses from shipping and handling as well as the tins of useless ammo I now own. I want a fair return of at least 80% of the purchase price. The gun does have a scratch on the barrel sleeve as well as scratches on the front site rail. But other than that, the stock and receiver are in good condition.
Try to resolve this in a quick and efficient manner or I will be forced to drag this through my credit card company, no doubt creating more paperwork and headaches for you.
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note: I also asked if he would remove the spring from a SM1000 he had in stock and send it to me...no go. Apparently they would rather leave their customers high and dry.
end of rant.
Rx4TRBL
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In Reply to: tasco VS Simmons posted by thom on August 08, 2000 at 22:58:26:
Thom: I've used or owned both. As a very general rule, Simmons has the better optics of the two, although both have mixed reputations when mounted on spring guns. If you're seaching around in the under $200 range, give Swift scopes a real good look. I have two of them and the quality appears to be quite good in both (two different models). Swifts are currently sold by Silver Streak Sports (the owner of SSS is currently out of town for a few days). He (Marty) should be back in about a week. Other good scopes for under $200= Simmons Whitetail Classic and Bushnells Trophy's. The Trophys are quite reliable on springers, and Swift now guarantees their scopes on springers. RB
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In Reply to: tasco VS Simmons posted by thom on August 08, 2000 at 22:58:26:
Tom
If you are interested in a scope look into the Swift. They are a great scope and less money then either ones you have mentioned. Maybe with target knobs are about the same price. I have on on my R9 and just ordered a Superstar. When I get the bucks I'm puttin a Swift on it also.
Gary
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In Reply to: tasco VS Simmons posted by thom on August 08, 2000 at 22:58:26:
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I've not found any references to the optics quality of these scopesform those who have used them.. I know the varaible powere of the two are a bit different, but which of the two would you think the best overall?
Simmons simmons 1048 6.5X20X44 with target knobs at 165 dollars, or the Tasco world class plus 8X 32X50 @ 175 dollars also with target knobs,.
thom
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I've not found any references to the optics quality of these scopesform those who have used them.. I know the varaible powere of the two are a bit different, but which of the two would you think the best overall?
Simmons simmons 1048 6.5X20X44 with target knobs at 165 dollars, or the Tasco world class plus 8X 32X50 @ 175 dollars
thom
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In Reply to: Pellets posted by Len on August 08, 2000 at 22:42:50:
Len, im not a 'Better shooter" but see weighing as worth it..in atleast two groups lite side & heavyside..so the groups wont spread out tomuch ..checking size is ok..sizing dies dont work to well..btw doing both sorting, & sizing. lets you find the really bad pellets, so you can rule those out. if you get a flyer
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In Reply to: Wanted : Theoben SLR-98......... posted by Derrin on August 08, 2000 at 22:20:17:
See post down below, and warm up the charge card.
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For Sale - NEW Theoben SLR-98 .22 cal with silencer, extra mag, Leupold 3 X 9 X 33 EFR scope and 2 boxes of CP's. Rifle and scope are brand new less than 30 pellets fired. Rifle is beautiful and very accurate. I'm selling because I purchased it in May and I don't have a good place to shoot.
Must sell $1160 shipped FedEx 3 day.
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In Reply to: Pellets posted by Len on August 08, 2000 at 22:42:50:
Only been reading posts here for about a week or so.
Something I can tell you is that when sizing pellets
using the correct die is critical. Too small and
you'll shift the weight to one sided causing the pellet
to wobble. As far as weighing, that would likely be
benificial with the less expensive pellets. Russ will
likely be able to better answer your question, Stocky too.
Good luck.
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In Reply to: Walther ppk/s or Marksman 1790? posted by s[i]lencer on August 08, 2000 at 21:02:51:
At one time I would have said to go with the PPK/S. Now that I have shot quite a few, and sold a lot too, I am disappointed with them.
I feel the accuracy sucks after the first clip of a new CO2 cylinder is fired. The second and third clips off the same CO2 cylinder start shooting all over the place. The velocity is VERY low after about 6 shots. I also have found quite a few to have trigger problems.
Now I still feel this is a fun plinker, but it is slow to load, goes through CO2 in a quick hurry, and is not accurate enough to do anything but spray your target.
I am not familiar with the Marksman, but as long as it is not a 1010, it has to be a step up!!!
Good Shootin!!
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Hello
I was wondering if any of you guys are sizing you airgun ( C.P. 10.5's ) as well as lubing them . Also was wondering if anyone out there was going to lengths of weighing the pellets for discrepancies. I have read in some of the English Mags that this has been done but wonder if it actually is being done by any of the better shooters? Thanks
Len
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Welcome to one of the most helpful airgun sites on
the net. I'm a newbie to this sight and do appreciate
the time and effort of all the people involved that
make this sight informative and fiendly (Family oriented).
Don't start or get involved w/ personal attacks it
does nothing and takes up space. If you've got a
question, ask it like you would a family member not
like a punk. The people here will save you tons of
money and time if you act appropriately. If you post
something and you get someone that gives you negative
feedback, don't retaliate. Ignore them, they'll go
away in time.
Don't post stuff about shooting animals that are of
a species normally regarded as pets and for that matter
don't do it. Unfortunately there are people out there
who don't take human health or life seriously and do
extreme things (like beating a kid to death because they
shot their pet and left an insignificant wound). It
happens more than we as adults like to admit. Think
BEFORE you act! After you've pulled the trigger it's
too late!!!!! Don't post anything here that is generally
cosidered illegal, post it somewhere else or even
better E-mail it to the local authorities so they
can advise you of the legalities. That way you'll
know for a fact what the laws are. If you feel the
need to torture something go to your local pet store
and buy some goldfish (The ones used as feeders).
Please don't screw this up for the rest of us. This
is something that we enjoy and in some cases love.
You can learn a great deal from just reading the posts
of the regulars. And thank you for joining a GREAT
sport.LOL
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In Reply to: Anybody heard of the Anschutz 35 Spring gun ? posted by Tom L. on August 08, 2000 at 21:57:53:
It is actually made by Anschutz, but it is an amalgamation of parts from previous models. It does not reach the velocities often claimed in advertising, and has generally not been well reviewed. You might want to pick up the Airgun Letter back issue that covered it.
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In Reply to: Re: I dont want some 18 yr olds driving let alone owning a glock posted by M Boyle on August 08, 2000 at 14:38:49:
I don't know but depends on the 18 year old. But they can go to war and risk life and limb at 18. Don't see problem with making them take a competency test/training before selling them a Glock at 18 until 21. DL at 16 with drivers ed 18 without.
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In Reply to: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:12:57:
try a trap or just a cheap daisy red ryder bb gun... or get a dog
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In Reply to: Pellet drop (.177, 450 fps) How far willthe pellet go (in still air) befor a noticable drop occurs?................nt posted by Steve T on August 08, 2000 at 19:35:28:
In my FWB65 shooting CPs 7.9s at 480 fps
If I use a 25yd zero it will drop 41/2ins at 50 yds or hold over
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Wanted : Beeman 68R Blue Ribbon riflescope..... posted by Derrin on August 08, 2000 at 22:21:34:
Can't say that I do, but if you come across more than
one drop a line. Sorry and thanks.
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Anyone got one of theese old scopes they'll sell ??????????
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Anyone want to sell theirs ???????
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In Reply to: 2240 sear spring posted by Charles Fox on August 08, 2000 at 14:50:37:
Charles - contact me at saam@sk.sympatico.ca and we can discuss the various mods availaible for you.
Regards - Gus
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Have any of you tried the Crosman 664GT? Is it any good? Any comments, both positive and negative would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
AirGunner2k
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In Reply to: Re: Joe, your complete answer is here.... posted by A-TEAM on August 08, 2000 at 17:21:49:
I did a quick scan of the spreadsheet, but couldn't
find the expressions that do the actual calculation.
Perhaps this is actual drop data? Or did you
intentionally leave out the expressions?
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In Reply to: Re: BTW posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 18:40:56:
Russ, I don't envy often but I do envy you on that one! I read her husband's (Joe Hyam) autobiography and of course, he mentioned Elke frequently. One thing that really came through was how NICE of a person she was. She was definitely a classic in every sense of the word! ---- A Pea Green with Envy Mr. P
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IS this a rebadged gun or made by Anschutz any
info would be appreciated.
Thanks
Tom L.
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In Reply to: Useful is the right word ! posted by Sid on August 08, 2000 at 18:58:35:
Sid, I have that same manual and you're right, it IS good! I think though as good as the FM is, that Major John Plasters 'The Ultimate Sniper' is even better. Check it out @ Amazon.com. Best book on shooting (and about alot of things relative to hunting too) I've ever read IMO. ---- Mr.P
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Welcome to one of the most helpful airgun sites on
the net. I'm a newbie to this sight and do appreciate
the time and effort of all the people involved that
make this sight informative and fiendly (Family oriented).
Don't start or get involved w/ personal attacks it
does nothing and takes up space. If you've got a
question, ask it like you would a family member not
like a punk. The people here will save you tons of
money and time if you act appropriately. If you post
something and you get someone that gives you negative
feedback, don't retaliate. Ignore them, they'll go
away in time.
Don't post stuff about shooting animals that are of
a species normally regarded as pets and for that matter
don't do it. Unfortunately there are people out there
who don't take human health or life seriously and do
extreme things (like beating a kid to death because they
shot their pet and left an insignificant wound). It
happens more than we as adults like to admit. Think
BEFORE you act! After you've pulled the trigger it's
too late!!!!! Don't post anything here that is generally
cosidered illegal, post it somewhere else or even
better E-mail it to the local authorities so they
can advise you of the legalities. That way you'll
know for a fact what the laws are. If you feel the
need to torture something go to your local pet store
and buy some goldfish (The ones used as feeders).
Please don't screw this up for the rest of us. This
is something that we enjoy and in some cases love.
You can learn a great deal from just reading the posts
of the regulars. And thank you for joining a GREAT
sport.LOL
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In Reply to: Disappointed with Crosman pellets incl. C. Premiers with Crosman 2200 and 2100 (495 fps) posted by Lew on August 08, 2000 at 21:26:52:
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In Reply to: Re: My opinion posted by Steve in CT on August 08, 2000 at 20:00:06:
Steve, there is no doubt we could play point/counterpoint on this argument all day. I'm not denying the fact these young people should be able to buy a gun or drink a beer at age 18, I agree with you.
But, from a personnel management standpoint, in a dormitory setting, access to guns coupled with alcohol and testosterone filled 18 year old men is not a good mix. Unfortunately, the rules have been put in place to curb the acts of a few, but the positive benefits for everyone far outway the negative effects to a few.
I guess you'd have to be there supervising and leading a squadron of 100-300 young people to understand why rules like these are needed. I don't agree with all the rules I live by, but I understand why they are in place and I support them. Anyway, I'll close on this subject and just agree to disagree.
Say, how about that Beeman R-9, man what a good springer it is!!! I have the R-9 TK RAID in .22 and it is some sweet shooter. Throws out 14.3g premiers at 700fps for 16fpe. Bad news for pest birds out to 50 yards! Have a nice day and thanks for serving your country too!
Regards, chieftd
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I have been using Crosman Copperhead pellets for long time, blamed my rifles and everything else for bad accuracy.
Finally I received my .22 Crosman Premiers. Hoping the best with my Crosman 2200 I setup in the basement. On a solid rest a 1 ft. long sandfilled sock. The rifle lays on that bed aimed at the center of the dime size circle from 15 ft.
The rifle is balanced so even without touching it the crosshair aimed dead center in that circle. Each shot made with 8 pumps. With proper hold the shots are slowly sqeezed off and following through the crosshair is rock steady during the shot. 5 shots in the group. The Premiers fly left right and up in a 2' dia. circle around the "dime". What?
Then I tried Sheridan diabolo. Same thing.
Now comes RUKO Match pellet. Heavier, longer, wider than CP-s. Softer led with groovy skirt. 4 out of 5 shots touching inside the dime circle, one is on the edge. Not bad.
Next RUKO pointed. Similar to Match except of the point. 3 out of 5 touching inside the circle, 2 at the edge. Not too bad.
I repeated the groups with similar result. I conclude, MY 2200 does not like the Crosman type smooth skirted pellets with flat rear under the skirt.
Similar test results with my Crosman 2100 rifle between smooth and grooved larger skirted pellets. It favors the grooved skirt. Finally I am happy with my rifles accuracy. Next step is ME. FREE HAND.
Good Shooting. Lew
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In Reply to: Why hunt starlings? posted by Dan D on August 08, 2000 at 17:11:10:
We don't hurt starlings..... WE JUST KILL THEM!
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In Reply to: BSA old springer early 1900's... posted by Alan in GA on August 08, 2000 at 20:37:07:
Alan, Hiller's 'Collectors Guide to Air Rifles' also Knibbs' 'BSA and Lincoln Jeffries Air Rifles' have mucho info on model progression, variations, etc. starting from 1905 for BSA guns -- #2 bore is .22 cal; value depends on whether it's an unusual version, and mainly on condition -- many of 'em are rather brown after all these years. I'd appreciate a pic if you get any -- thanks
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In Reply to: Re: Swift 6-24X 8-32X posted by TekWar on August 08, 2000 at 20:25:48:
You can get the prices for Swift scopes from www.silverstreaksports.com ------PJ
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In Reply to: Little Green Army Men AVAILABLE NOW at ToysRUs posted by TinkerMan on August 08, 2000 at 12:09:43:
Now if they only came wearing black silk jammies and basketweave hats.... Just kidding! RB
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In Reply to: Why hunt starlings? posted by Dan D on August 08, 2000 at 17:11:10:
The airgun is an excellent tool for destroying starlings.
Sturnus Vulgaris - the common starling. A black bird
with tiny spots and a yellow beak. Displaces songbirds.
Defecates on cars, congregates in flocks of defecating
birds. Squalks like a band saw.
I challenge you to kill them all.
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In Reply to: Swift 6-24X 8-32X posted by tommy on August 08, 2000 at 19:45:54:
This is to all who ordered the scopes from Marty...please be sure to post your likes/dislikes/comments when you receive these scopes. Thanks all...
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In Reply to: Re: new R-9 beeman, 20% off, Sounds like the price is not the only thing discounted! Honesty? posted by drhillbilly on August 08, 2000 at 20:19:31:
You're safe from damnation then... Beeman doesn't make airguns! RB
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Alright im thinking about setting up a 6 to 8 meter range in my backyard for target shooting at say 2" targets and a variety of other activities (hit the swinging bell...). I have narrowed down my choices to either the ppk/s co2 or the marksman 1790. Which is funner and more suitable for my range and activities?
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In Reply to: Thanx ... Learn sonthing new everyday :) NT posted by Waddle_TheFuzzyDuck on August 08, 2000 at 20:56:34:
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In Reply to: Re: any Webley FX2000 owners out there? posted by Spunky on August 08, 2000 at 12:21:50:
Have you done any mods? Do you know what fps you are getting? How many accurate shots do you get out of a full charge? All info is appreciated!
Keith
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In Reply to: Re: I'm not a BSA buff but... posted by RBesty on August 08, 2000 at 20:54:01:
sdf
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In Reply to: I'm not a BSA buff but... posted by Waddle_TheFuzzyDuck on August 08, 2000 at 20:50:04:
Waddle: BSA did have underlevers back then. RB
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In Reply to: BSA old springer early 1900's... posted by Alan in GA on August 08, 2000 at 20:37:07:
I do know that #22 means .22
also i dont think early 1900's have underlever
though my dad had one in the 1950s then he traded it for a .22 rifle
Waddle
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is what a local gunshop called and asked about today. He said it is a #2 underlever(toward muzzle)and customer bought it in wanting info/value/ etc. Any of you BSA buffs know about this? I will go by and take digital pic tomorrow and can send to whoever for info. thanks, alan in ga. I guess it could possibly be for sale. If it needs seals, many folks are ready to sell at that point.
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In Reply to: Re: RWS M-48 (20cal) VS Beeman R-9 " Gold Finger " (20cal) posted by Jason on August 07, 2000 at 21:27:54:
635 for an R-9 shooting CP's? Something is wrong with that gun ! It should be shooting at 675 with that pellet. I suspect a tight bore. Common on HW-5mm guns. RB
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In Reply to: well, not exactly....... posted by Alan in GA on August 08, 2000 at 20:24:02:
the 'tit' on the valve body that the cap with quad seal goes on is very sensitive, especially the early aluminum ones. Later brass hold up better, but check with magnifying glass for scratches on 'nipple'. Do not try to spin in steel wool or at least not very much as the diameter will decrease and then not seal. Just polish lightly IF scratch is seen.
Some caps I have seen show that someone has HAMMERED the steel ring in some in the effort to squash the quad ring tighter and force it toward center. This is not necessary at all. Ken told you the right way. Hard part is putting quad seal back in without damaging. Use some pellgun oil and a polished 1/16 punch tip to ease it in. Polished dental pick is not only to get old one out, but to prevent scratching the brass surfaces around the seal. I think I'm thru. alan in ga.
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In Reply to: Re: Swift 6-24X 8-32X posted by TekWar on August 08, 2000 at 20:25:48:
Tek: you're gonna need a job if you want to crazy in this hobby! RB
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In Reply to: Why hunt starlings? posted by Dan D on August 08, 2000 at 17:11:10:
Dan:
Starlins are everywhere and they are the scum of the bird world. They are an introduced species to North America by some idiot that thought we should have all of the birds that Shakespeare mentioned. There are now, in a little over 100 years, millions of them. They compete with native cavity nesters and starlins don't lose! Native birds are not equipped to fight them. Learn to recognize them and eliminate all your can all year long. They are not protected anywhere except in some cities that don't know better. Eliminate them and you will start noticing all sorts of native birds you never noticed before. Sandy
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In Reply to: Re: Webleys Raider goes for a test drive posted by TekWar on August 08, 2000 at 19:09:07:
TW: click on the words Airgun Letter at the top of the mainpage, Then click onto Airgun Resources box when that page loads. You'll find a ton'o' hot links that will show you airguns that will blow your mind@! Go for it! RB
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In Reply to: Crosman 140 Quad Seal Question posted by Bob LeDoux on August 08, 2000 at 19:28:46:
the 'quad' seal is nothing but an 'o' ring, but made from 'square' stock. No, I know a square tire will not roll! If you cut an o ring cross section, you will see an 'o'. If you cut a quad ring cross section, you will see a square, or 'quad'. The quad seal gives a couple of advantages. It is actually two seal EDGES, if one gives way, the other side might still hold. Also, a quad seal will seal tighter when under pressure against the nose of the valve body. When I started repairing my own 760 Crosman in 1968, I thought the quad seal was just an o ring with a 'set' from use and age. I replaced it with an o ring and it worked fine. So will your 140. A good repair station should use the origional 'quad' seal, as it should give a much longer seal life that the equivelant o ring. Use an o ring if that's all you have. Crosman still has quad rings, but doesn't seem to know they do!(?). I called a few years ago, and the girl did not know what I was talking about when I described the seal. Rick Wilnecker and Paul Landrith guided me through many of these 'bottlenecks' and gave me the part number to ask for. I called Crosman back with the part # and they said "fine, and how many will you need?" Believe me they know only numbers at the factory most of the time!. More questions? alan in ga
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In Reply to: Re: Trying to remove valve from Crosman 400? posted by Steve B. on August 08, 2000 at 18:59:11:
It didn't have a screwdriver slot, so I gave it a real hard rap toward the muzzle end. It had some brown stuff on the outside of the assembly that had hardened, and more or less acted like glue.
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In Reply to: Re: new R-9 beeman, 20% off, Sounds like the price is not the only thing discounted! Honesty? posted by Steve H. on August 08, 2000 at 15:58:06:
I know I'd probably blubber for weeks if I got 20% off on an air rifle made by Beeman. The store will now go bankrupt and small children will starve. I guess I've failed the morality test and will burn forever for even thinking such purely evil thoughts.
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In Reply to: Swift 6-24X 8-32X posted by tommy on August 08, 2000 at 19:45:54:
Tommy Marty had a little faimly problem he had to take care of his mom is having major surgery
he will ship them when he gets back
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In Reply to: Re: Any suggestions on a scope Thanks posted by Greg S on August 08, 2000 at 20:09:03:
Anymore sugestions
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In Reply to: Re: Any suggestions on a scope Thanks posted by Tekwar on August 08, 2000 at 19:28:53:
Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: I could have swore I wrote some of this 30 yrs ago.......... posted by chieftd on August 08, 2000 at 18:57:39:
Thanks Tim. I remember when we couldn't set foot offbase if we had any booze with us. The local police used to sit on the road a couple miles from the base and pull us over for spotchecks of liquor violations. Of course once we landed in Nam- it was a non issue. RB
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In Reply to: Re: My opinion posted by chieftd on August 08, 2000 at 15:42:03:
Chieftd,
If those kids are not to be trusted with a bottle of beer at 18 and a gun then how could you trust them in a life and death situation. If what you say it is true then nobody should be required to join the army until the age of 21. I was in the army when I was 18 and I drunk responsibly, used firearms responsibly and if I had to do it all over again I would again trust myself to be responsible. Then how can I deny that priviledge to another 18 year old? The ones that are going to cause trouble at 18 are going to cause trouble at 21 in most cases. IMHO
Safe shooting
Steve
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In Reply to: The Quietest co2 pistol posted by Paul J on August 08, 2000 at 18:08:56:
Here's my experience with some of the inexpensive ones; after the first few shots my P-23 is pretty quiet, same is true about my Crosman 357-6. My Anics A-101M is pretty loud and my Crosman 2240 and Daisy 2003 are both about as loud as a .22RF short.
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In Reply to: Pellet drop (.177, 450 fps) How far willthe pellet go (in still air) befor a noticable drop occurs?................nt posted by Steve T on August 08, 2000 at 19:35:28:
How much is noticeable? 1", 2"? You can arrive at this info yourself with a few paper targets set up in your yard. Then, it won't be theory- it'll be fact! Besides- pellet selection has a fair amount to do with ballistics. RB
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Anyone who ordered the scopes from Marty @ silverstreaks receive them yet?? If so, what are everyone's opinions on these?
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In Reply to: Pellet drop (.177, 450 fps) How far willthe pellet go (in still air) befor a noticable drop occurs?................nt posted by Steve T on August 08, 2000 at 19:35:28:
That depends; if you are talking about drop from line of sight then you have to include the sight height.
Most match, (flat Nosed) pellets will drop almost
an inch at 10 yards, at that velocity. This depends on actual air pressure, and temp, ect...
Jim
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In Reply to: Re: AGL is testing the FX 2000 right now posted by Tom Gaylord on August 08, 2000 at 08:02:08:
Thanks, good to know a review is coming, havent been able to find one at all. I was curious of the actual fps of the .22 cal version. I havent seen anything on its accuracy either. I am seriously considering buying one of these guns. I have narrowed it down to the Daystate or Webley FX2000. Any little tidbits of info you can share in advance are certainly appreciated. I am just looking for something that will make me lean towards one or the other.
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In Reply to: The Quietest co2 pistol posted by Paul J on August 08, 2000 at 18:08:56:
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In Reply to: Webleys Raider goes for a test drive posted by Pel-It on August 08, 2000 at 18:16:43:
Pel:
Nice write up. I've been interested in this gun as well, for similar reasons. Is this the gun that has a two shot capacity? If so, how did you like that part of it? Assume yours is in .22 cal. Appreciate if you would post your experience with how many level velocity shots you actually end up getting at whatever fill pressure you use.
Thanks, Sloop
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Pardon me if I update this string. Its about to fall off the list into historical oblivion.
Ken wrote:
Hello Bob..........The seal which you speak of is a quad seal, and can be removed by "picking out" very carefully, with a pic or dental tool with a
blunt end so as not to damage the inside of the exhaust valve which is brass. Its a little fiddley to put back in but will solve the leak problem.
Many Thanks KEN.
To update: The Crosman 140 uses a brass seal assembly with a quadseal in it.
Am I correct that this refers to as stack of four O-rings?
The top of the seal is locked into place with a steel washer. This is retained by rolling the edge of the brass assembly over the washer edge.
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In Reply to: Re: Any suggestions on a scope Thanks posted by TekWar on August 08, 2000 at 19:16:42:
I get confused with the numbers on the scope.
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Is there any rule of thumb type test I can perform
to figure out the muzzle energy of my RWS 52 ?
Just roughly speaking I mean...the reason I ask...
I tried it out at far longer range today than I
usually use ( 40-50 yards instead of 20-25 )
and it is still blowing holes clean through the
1\2 thick chipboard sheets I use as target
backing boards.
An experiment with a coke can at the same range
was interesting...the pellet zipped through the
can so quickly that it didn't knock it over...I
thought all my shots had gone into the backstop
till I examined the can and found 3 holes in it...
I've had tuned spring guns before but nothing
like this one...anyone got any comments ?
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I posted it farther down below in response to a request by 'docwell'. For all shooters of these "Black Russians", you may want to save it. It's 2 or 3 threads, maybe a quarter of the way down when scrolling. Russ
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I have a daisy dual power 990 air rifle bb/650,pellet/630 im looking for a half descent scope for it.Any suggestions?
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In Reply to: The kids these days! Join the Military! (read to the end) posted by peter on August 08, 2000 at 02:03:21:
but the minimum age to vote does not. Feel fortunate that you have the right to vote at the age of 18. Soldiers/draftees under the age of 21 did not have this right during the Vietnam War era. Excercise your voting rights and maybe things will change for the better.
I can understand your frustration. Especially when you consider that it's OK to get behind the wheel of a 3 ton SUV and talk on a cell phone while driving it.
Doc
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In Reply to: Re: Webleys Raider goes for a test drive posted by TekWar on August 08, 2000 at 18:42:53:
Pre charged Pneumatic, 475.00 U.S
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In Reply to: The 60/61 Soft Tune, a la Russ posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 18:58:09:
The 5/16" dowel pin I'm referring to should be hardened steel, with an OD of .3125/.313". A 1 1/4" length will also work, This sliding pin acts as an inertia weight within the guide, which moves with the piston. When the triggeris pulled, the weight slips all the way back into the guide, and when the piston starts developing some compression resistance, the weight slides forward, contacting the inside of the piston for a little extra 'oomph'. RB
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In Reply to: Trying to remove valve from Crosman 400? posted by Robert Geiger on August 08, 2000 at 18:33:42:
Robert: I don't have a 400 but I do have a 160, 187 (both are late models) and a couple 140/1400. I wouldn't try to press the valve out the breech end because your going to be pushing it through a bunch of burrs. Push it out the muzzle end.
My service drawing of the early valve aren't that great, the early valve has two o-rings - one is a squash fit. Does this valve have a large slot across the piercing pin end (visible from the gas tube)? If so it must be turned (screw driver will be 1/8- thick and about 3/4- wide) to release the pressure from an internal o-ring that locks/seals the valve in place (this is in addition to anything else (maybe a set screw or locating stud). Once it has been turned a turn or two the valve should push out. If you got a later type valve, the procedure is the same. I use a few drops of pellgun oil to facilitate the push. Good luck...
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Re: i saw this thought it useful posted by M Boyle on August 08, 2000 at 11:51:58:
I spent this afternoon trying out some of the
techniques given in the Snipers manual and was
rewarded with a big improvement in accuracy and
consistency of shot placement.
(I was working at 40-50 yards with my .22 RWS 52)
This is partially because I wasn't a very good
shot at long range to begin with,but I reckon
that anyone who follows the advice in FM 23-10
and applies it to spring airgun shooting is going
to see a lot of benefits.
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In Reply to: Re: IZH 60/61 page, URL inside...... posted by docwells on August 08, 2000 at 11:36:35:
Doc: the softune does not use the factory piston weight. The spring guide should be made from solid Delrin. Total length should run between 2 7/8" and 3". On the flanged end (head end) of the guide, drill out a hole that is 2" deep by 0.315/.316" in diameter, then drill a tiny hole thru from the back end for air venting. Next, obtain a 5/16" x 1 1/2" long solid, ground dowel pin. Grease the pin and pus it into the hole in the guide. Lube both the guide and the OD of the spring with teflon grease. I use Slick 50 One Grease (it's green). I also wet grind the ends of the springs to flatten the end coils slightly, then rub those ends against a soft stone to smooth the spring ends. This keeps the spring more 'square' inside the piston. Re-assemble as normal. The grinding should be done BEFORE the spring is cleaned and greased. Grinding the spring ends on a dry grinder will overheat the spring ends and alter their temper. HTH, Russ
Oops! Forgot one other thing. Lightly lube the outside of the piston with moly paste blended with a drop or two of Spring oil. Too thick a grease can slow the gun down too much. RB
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In Reply to: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:12:57:
There is a product 'Ropel" that is used to keep cats, dog etc. away. Check it out.
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In Reply to: Re: I could have swore I wrote some of this 30 yrs ago.......... posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 18:13:54:
Russ, many years back installations started following state laws but those varied greatly for years. When all the states went to 21 for legal drinking age so did the military.
chieftd
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In Reply to: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:12:57:
There is a product 'Ropel" that is used to keep cats, dog etc. away. Check it out.
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In Reply to: Re: new R-9 beeman posted by TekWar on August 08, 2000 at 18:43:55:
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In Reply to: Re: BTW posted by Mike Pearson on August 08, 2000 at 09:57:01:
Mike: she was in her prime back then too ! I managed to get some pit passes thru some connections I had, and my buddy Jim Fox and I were bopping around the pit and paddock at the 'Ring. Elke had become bitten by the racing bug and was practicing in a highly modified Opel sedan (at least I seem to recall it being an Opel). She was pretty fine looking in a tailored driving suit. Somehow we wound up talking about a Pink Panther movie (A Shot in The Dark?). Very lively and lovely lady. RB
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In Reply to: crosman ck92 info ? posted by jon on August 08, 2000 at 14:39:23:
jon,
yes the clips for the 1008 will fit the ck92. haven't had anybody own up to buying one, so can't say how it would compare. One can assume about the same as a C40.
HTH
johnooh
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Does it matter whether it comes out the muzzle end or the butt end? I've been tapping it with a wood dowel, but it won't move either direction.
It's the old through-the-stock safety type.
Thanks for any tips.
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In Reply to: Re: My Crosman 600 experience. posted by Mike Pearson on August 08, 2000 at 09:25:34:
Wouldn't it be great if somebody ran across the old diecasting molds in the corner of a dusty toolroom somewhere? Oh- Mama! RB
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In Reply to: Re: Why silencers? ITS THE SILENCE!!!!! posted by Another John from NY on August 08, 2000 at 18:00:10:
I agree.
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In Reply to: Re: R7 is Hw50mkii not 30! nt posted by Hans on August 08, 2000 at 14:01:27:
Hans: the HW-50's are roughly equal to the R-8's. The HW-30 roughly equals the R-7. Regards, Russ
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Well at long last, I had a chance to sit down with my new shuttled Raider in 22 caliber and put it over to bags. Here`s how we did
Appearances
One of the deciding factors in choosing a Raider for my second PCP is simply because I didn`t have to change filler adapters from my Axsor, it`s very compact and the idea of a permanent shuttle system makes a whole lot of sense coming from somebody who`s turned pro at loosing house keys let alone refill clips.
Once in hand, there`s no comparison between the Axsor and the Raider. Little things like a sticker displaying the model and make on the side of the action for the Raider as opposed to an aluminum plate for the Axsor. A very ambedex. stock (I`d rather the choice thank you) and a trigger that needs a SERIOUS workover. That been said, the price difference between the two shows where the extra money is spent.
The upside to the little Raider is its size (very carbine), the erganomics are first rate and better than the Axsor, and its accuracy but more on that a little later.
My main justification for buying the Raider was for the purpose of hunting. It`s no secret that PCPs are easier to shoot accurately and the Raider is no exeption. My first 10 shot string resulted in a 1 inch group at 40 yards (conditions almost perfect). It averages around 830 fps with Crosman Premiers and will get around 30 to 40 shots per charge. If I were forced into giving it top marks, I would classify it as a sweet little hunter that can take the bumps. If I were going to show a Newbie just how beautful and precise a PCP was, I`d pull out the Axsor.
10 shot string from full charge (190 Bar) using
Crosman Premiers
1 821 fps
2 831 fps
3 829 fps
4 833 fps
5 832 fps
6 830 fps
7 830 fps
8 830 fps
9 833 fps
10 834 fps
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In Reply to: cayenne pepper posted by JP on August 08, 2000 at 08:37:11:
LOL
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In Reply to: I could have swore I wrote some of this 30 yrs ago.......... posted by Michael A on August 08, 2000 at 15:19:07:
Back in those days, you were allowed to drink on base at age 18. Has that changed also? Off base was another story, as the state law prevailed. RB
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In Reply to: It's spelled " hippie " :-) .... and you can thank some of them for..... posted by JS on August 08, 2000 at 12:43:46:
Amazing how experiences have so molded my character that I look at dieing at an old age of natural causes as a gift, not a curse. History has proven that otherwise is the rule, not the exception.I had two friends that at age 19 did not leave Vietnam alive; one is still over there somewhere.
I always try to take a minute and thank (fill in the blank: God, Allah, Buddha, Mohammed, Jesus, Brahma/Vishnu/Shiva)whoever reads my email that we are all here now.
Happy shooting and go play everyone.
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What is the quietest co2 pistol currently produced?
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In Reply to: Crosman 600 posted by tommy on August 07, 2000 at 23:06:57:
One of the biggest problems is the original success of the 600, Crosman made millions of 'em. Sure, today they command $150 in good condition, but one manufactured today would probably cost $250 or more. Perhaps when an old 600 is going for $400 - $500 Crosman will start paying more attention.
The best bet for a new 600 would probably be China. Doubt if they are capable of making it though.
dt fletcher
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In Reply to: Re: Why silencers? posted by john from NY on August 07, 2000 at 15:06:04:
My neighbors are 100 feet away. How silent do I need to be? There is no federal law against airgun moderators; some localities have redefined silencers downward, but most legislators see no reason to invite ridicule for adding criminal penalties to a "kids' toy" (note quotation marks) no matter how frightened you are of talking about them. Incidently, making it a "hush-hush naughty thingy" is the fastest way to enpower some liberal nazi spy to start pushing for such laws. Keep the discussion open and at a reasonably high level of discourse.
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In Reply to: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:12:57:
Repellents do not work.
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In Reply to: Apache stock replacement? posted by Mauibuck on August 08, 2000 at 15:31:29:
The Apache plastic stock is extremely fragile and most of 'em broke early on. I would imagine that your best bet is to keep your eye open for a parts Apache. However, there are variations in the stock so be aware that not all Apache stocks are interchangeable.
Note: I hope to get Dean's Garage Sale going in a couple weeks and, if memory serves, there are at least one or two parts Apaches amongst all the stuff in the basement. So, stay tuned to this forum and occasionally visit my webpage to see what goes up on sale.
dt fletcher
In Reply to: new R-9 beeman posted by Pat OMeara on August 08, 2000 at 13:39:46:
What it amounts to is, you got the scope and mounts for FREE! This isn't just a good deal, it's a GREAT DEAL! Say, where did you say you bought it at? Do they have any more left? [GRIN!] Cheers!
Unc
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I read in this forum all the time about people upgrading their CO2, PCP, & Springer air guns.
Can anything be done to a multipump air gun (Crosman 2104) to increase the power?
Thanks
Mikey
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In Reply to: R's and Hw's..... posted by Hans on August 08, 2000 at 16:09:47:
Yes Hans, if one understands German! [GRIN!] This is the HW website, with pictures and details of all the current HW models. All the info is here, including the current price of each model in Deutch Marks. Really an excellent site, get out your German textbooks boys, it's worth it! Tsush!
Unc
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In Reply to: Joe, your complete answer is here.... posted by JohnD on August 08, 2000 at 08:36:33:
Do be carefully when going directly to the contents page of our web site. There are things that are added to the site that don't show up on the contents page so you are missing some additional information. Best bet is to go in from the front door and then go from there. The Contents page also doesn't have descriptions of the items that the other pages do. The link is below.
Ray & Hans ~ The "A" Team
(845-896-9792 or 914-277-4309)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@bestweb.net
A-TEAM-HANS == > ateamh@bestweb.net
http://www.bestweb.net/~ateamray
In Reply to: Re: Info on Daisy 188? posted by Simon Slick on August 07, 2000 at 16:55:10:
nt
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In Reply to: what should i buy? posted by ken on August 08, 2000 at 14:39:21:
If you could live with a single shot, check out the
QB22-custom from Mac1.
Mike
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I see lots of posts referring to hunting starlings. I've never heard of that bird before. Maybe it's a regional thing. I've lived in Massachusetts, New York, or Connecticut all my life. Could they have a different name here? Are they pests? Do they run rampant? Does their population need to be controlled? Is there a starling "season", like when ya can and can't hun't 'em?
Squirrels, I can understand hunting those pests - getting into the bird feeders, I even had a few that were getting into my dorm in college and eating our food! Damn them! Well, at least they stayed away from our beer....
How about hunting pigeons and seagulls too? Not much sport in that, I'd think. But I've neevr done any sort of hunting at all, so I really don't know.
Dan.
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In Reply to: Re: new R-9 beeman, 20% off, Sounds like the price is not the only thing discounted! Honesty? posted by Stocky on August 08, 2000 at 16:08:54:
Yah, I hate it when they run out into the parking lot and stop me to tell me I was over charged for something. NOT!
Home Deopt over charged me for a screw jack once and I caught after it rang up. I had to wait in line for 30 minutes to get my lousy $4 back.
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In Reply to: Why silencers? posted by Defiance on August 07, 2000 at 14:51:13:
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In Reply to: I could have swore I wrote some of this 30 yrs ago.......... posted by Michael A on August 08, 2000 at 15:19:07:
I read: "We were old enough to be drafted and shoot others/be shot but couldn't drink, vote, or buy a weapon. (snip) Things haven't changed a lick except that unless I am mistaken, Peter, you can't presently be drafted."
-----------------
I beg to differ....
Things have changed....the major item that has changed since the 60's is that 18 year olds can now VOTE, and therefore help forge their own destiny. That was huge....really a leap forward in this country. Let's at least acknowldge it. Don't say nothing has changed.
Jack
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In Reply to: Re: need Mr. P to opine on pellet " SD " ... posted by Mike Pearson on August 08, 2000 at 10:42:00:
url [online newsletter section of www.Sierrabullets.com] works on my IE 5.5 browser but only restates the definition & ambiguity of POI effect.
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I want to save toward a magnificent airgun. Right now I've got two major and entirely different interests for my next airgun purchase. ($$$future$$$) One interest leads me toward an accurate big bore rifle. The other leads me toward the incredible Whiscombe. I really would like to have just one ultra-fine springer. A Whiscombe would be such a major high dollar purchase and committment for me that I would really have to see and hold one first. If any of you Whiscombe shooters out there have one that I can see and live within one or two hundred miles of Pensacola, Florida...............I'd drive over to see it, if you were willing.
I've also been researching big bore air rifles, but now am once again leaning toward a fine springer. No pump, no scuba. The vast majority of the time, I shoot out back on my land and really enjoy it, by myself or especially with friends. I did have a fine PCP in the Ripley AR4 I bought from Lou V.K. a while back, but I ended up selling it. I needed the money back and did not enjoy BRV very much. Thanks again to Lou V.K. and Hawley Todd for helping me out at the time and answering my endless questions and concerns. Two fine gentlemen.
Anyway...............anyone got a Whiscombe I can see?
Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: new R-9 beeman posted by Stocky on August 08, 2000 at 16:10:46:
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In Reply to: Re: new R-9 beeman posted by RGunn on August 08, 2000 at 14:32:21:
Yes MrGunn...
What goes around comes around.
And maybe it finally did for the poor guy!
Goes both ways you know.
JMO,
Stocky
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http://www.rlvapen.se/luftgew.html#ankare38505
it's all clear now....
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In Reply to: Re: new R-9 beeman, 20% off, Sounds like the price is not the only thing discounted! Honesty? posted by Steve H. on August 08, 2000 at 15:58:06:
I personally, am so very, very pleased that every time a supermarket chain overcharges me, they then take that money and contribute it to the chatity of their choice!!!
It must make their stockholders proud too!!!
JMO
Stocky
PS Rightious Baloney !!!
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In Reply to: Congratulations Dave! posted by RGunn on August 08, 2000 at 14:49:16:
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In Reply to: Re: new R-9 beeman, 20% off, Sounds like the price is not the only thing discounted! Honesty? posted by Steve H. on August 08, 2000 at 15:58:06:
OH PLEASE!
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In Reply to: new R-9 beeman posted by Pat OMeara on August 08, 2000 at 13:39:46:
I know this may not be the popular view, yet:
Is this the kind of "life story" you would have a teacher instruct to your child at school?
By not speaking up at the point of sale you made a decision to get something that was not rightfully yours. Its a small petty thing that could of been handled differently. Maybe point out the error to the clerk?
How much mileage will you get out of the dollars saved by not saying anything.
You could always donate the difference to a charity if it starts to bother you later.
Why not take the high road in life's everyday choices, might help the world we live in?
I have made "Many Poor Choices" in life, but I am tring to do better.
Maybe we should not brag about deception or younger impressionable people may think its ok to do so. Starts a cycle of bad, not good.
Sorry if this offends you, but I felt it needed to be said.
Steve Hartwig
Tucson, AZ.
Lifes best moments are not about what we get away with!
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In Reply to: new R-9 beeman posted by Pat OMeara on August 08, 2000 at 13:39:46:
I know this may not be the popular view, yet:
Is this the kind of "life story" you would have a teacher instruct to your child at school?
By not speaking up at the point of sale you made a decision to get something that was not rightfully yours. Its a small petty thing that could of been handled differently. Maybe point out the error to the clerk?
How much mileage will you get out of the dollars saved by not saying anything.
You could always donate the difference to a charity if it starts to bother you later.
Why not take the high road in life's everyday choices, might help the world we live in?
I have made "Many Poor Choices" in life, but I am tring to do better.
Maybe we should not brag about deception or younger impressionable people may think its ok to do so. Starts a cycle of bad, not good.
Sorry if this offends you, but I felt it needed to be said.
Steve Hartwig
Tucson, AZ.
Lifes best moments are not about what we get away with!
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In Reply to: what should i buy? posted by ken on August 08, 2000 at 14:39:21:
In chosing a multishot you have greatly limited your choices. The crosman 1077 comes with a synthetic stock or a walnut stock both for <$100. Some even come with a red dot scope. Good for plinking. Consider a IZH-61. Its a 5 shot springer, but very accurate.
In Reply to: My opinion posted by Steve in CT on August 08, 2000 at 10:45:12:
Steve,
I have to respectfully disagree with you. While one might be in the military at 18 years old, that should not give them the right to drink at that age. I'm currently active duty Air Force (23 years) and I have seen too many times to mentioned what "18 year old kids" do when they drink. As someone mentioned earlier, todays 18 year olds are much different than 20 years ago. The military has experienced far less problems, incidents of damage, assault, and conduct unbecoming a military memeber since changing the drinking age limit to 21. It just makes sense in the military environment. Just look at the numerous frat house incidents every year, thats what military dorms would be like if not for military rules.
As for guns, I support everyones right to own a gun (as many as they want) but having personally experienced 18 year old kids in the barracks, acting up, I'm glad they didn't have guns in their dorm rooms too. From a military standpoint, 18 year old kids, guns, alcohol, in a dorm room setting DO NOT mix well. In this case, the government is not "trying" to protect the public from something, it is making sure the 18 year old sons and daughters of America's families are safe and secure in their living environment. Imagine trying to manage a 300 person dorm if every 18 year old was allowed to drink and have a weapon in their room. SCARY!!!!
Just my .02 cents worth.
Regards, chieftd
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In Reply to: Starling Hunting and Trapping posted by Steve Forbes on August 07, 2000 at 23:56:24:
Heres a link you can add to you page. lol
http://www.starlings.net/
I just bought an Apache and had it mailed direct from the seller to Ron Sauls for repair. The plastic stock was destroyed in shipping. Anybody have any clues on replacements in plastic or wood?
Mahalo, Mauibuck
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In Reply to: Re: 13fpe? posted by Sammy on August 08, 2000 at 13:29:46:
Thanks for clearing that up Sammy as I also have read most of the posts on the QB78. Most of them were doing velocities in the 550 range. The Crosman 600 is rated from factory at 600 but I supposed this was hoping on their part.
Thanks again to you and the others that have responded to my post.
Art
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In Reply to: The kids these days! Join the Military! (read to the end) posted by peter on August 08, 2000 at 02:03:21:
Peter,
We went through the same thing in 'Nam. We were old enough to be drafted and shoot others/be shot but couldn't drink, vote, or buy a weapon. At least in Texas.
Things haven't changed a lick except that unless I am mistaken, Peter, you can't presently be drafted.
Adolescents have been/are/will always be caught in that shade of grey area where you are not quite responsible enough to buy but responsible enough to be expected to perform. Those few months difference may seem like an eternity now, but when you mature they will seem to be the blink of an eye.
I have on my wall a picture of my father, 19 years old, next to his P-51 which he flew at night over Germany in WWII, fighting the Luftwaffe while escorting B-17s. If he got lost, he was expected to fight his way home on his own. Now days I wouldn't trust a 19 year old to back my car out of my driveway (even my own kid).
Have times changed? Some argue so. Even during my youth we would have never conceived of songs that praised killing cops and kids imitating "A Clockwork Orange". Back then it was a fantasy movie. But now it has come to pass as reality. And if that is the case, then perhaps that is why society is taking no chances in putting pistols into the hands of youth and erring on the side of caution.
To that end when you have kids you just might see the wisdom of it. As Churchill reportedly said, "When you were young if you were not liberal you had no heart; if when you are old you are not conservative you have no brains."
Your frustration is a sign of emerging maturity. Understand it for what it is and don't let it turn into anger and consume you.
Party on,
Michael A
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In Reply to: 2240 sear spring posted by Charles Fox on August 08, 2000 at 14:50:37:
Remove the exitisting spring, compress it fully, hold it for 10 seconds, and release. It should be a bit shorter and a lot ligher now. If it shortens too much, grab the ends and pull out a bit until it's the desired strength.
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In Reply to: Good personal websites? posted by jutin oickle on August 08, 2000 at 11:03:59:
I think that this ones quite useful-
But i'm biased cos its mine! (I'm working on upgrades)
Giles
In Reply to: OK, more data: posted by peter huppertz on August 07, 2000 at 18:55:08:
all i can say is blast of wind at 40-50 yrds left & right..invest in a hand held wind meter and see
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In Reply to: Unfortunately, most people would rather replace cheap guns every year than ... posted by TinkerMan on August 08, 2000 at 10:36:51:
I do buy cheap guns. I bought a Daisy Powerline
880. Not very accurate at all. Even with a scope.
Just blew a seal today I think. Pumped it up 10
times. PHFT. What the crap? Pulled the triggger.
Nothing happened. Pumped it up again. Pulled the
trigger. AH! Blew the seal. Had it less than 2
years. And I did have a pellet in it. And I did
cock the bolt thingy. I think I'm gunna send it
back to Daisy and get it fixed. Then this X-Mas
I'll get a good high quality gun. I'm not saying
there's anything wrong with less expensive guns.
But I would like a higher quality gun.
Cody Dotter <:-@
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My trigger is too tight. Can anyone suggest a replacement spring that would require less pressure and where I might order it. Also where would I be able to purchase a book with detailed information on this model. Any other information on SIMPLE modifications that can be made to this model(besides changing stock and barrel) would be appreciated.
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In Reply to: I love this sport! posted by DaveG on August 08, 2000 at 10:55:31:
I can tell fron the enthusiasm in your post that you are "hooked" on FT now. I know how much work you have put into your stock designs. It must of felt great to have received positive reviews on your work from the "experts".
BTW, great shooting! We don't have FT in my area, but I have competed in much archery silhouette over the years. Same game, different tools. I know the rush involved with that kind of competitive event. Good job hanging right in there with the "big boys".
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In Reply to: Look inside M. Boyle posted by Mini Me on August 08, 2000 at 07:23:07:
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has anyone used the new ck92 pistol yet
I had a 1008 and ended up trading it for
a 357-8 and still have the clips. can you
use the 1008 loaders in the ck92.??
How does the ck92 rank compared to the 1008.?
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I am in the market for a co2 air rifle. I want to
do plinking with it nothing serious. I want a
quality one. My budget is up to $250. What should i buy.
I would rather not have a single shot.thanks
Ken
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In Reply to: It's spelled " hippie " :-) .... and you can thank some of them for..... posted by JS on August 08, 2000 at 12:43:46:
some of these kid arent smart enough to drive why would i want them owning a glock
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In Reply to: Good personal websites? posted by jutin oickle on August 08, 2000 at 11:03:59:
Go to the top of this page and click on the "airgun letter" link. Once there, click on "web links". That will get you started into the world of airgun related info. on-line.
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In Reply to: new R-9 beeman posted by Pat OMeara on August 08, 2000 at 13:39:46:
That was a great deal! Unfortunatly, I am one of those superstitious people that believes, "what goes around, comes around"!
Unless you call the store and own up to a possible mistake, you will be on the "short end of the stick" with something in your future :-)
Never fails to happen.
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In Reply to: 392!!!!!! posted by Mac1 on August 08, 2000 at 12:46:56:
Is the 392 as accurate as the 397. I may try my hand at punching
a little paper.
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In Reply to: CO2 Accessory posted by DougWall on August 08, 2000 at 13:16:43:
Good idea .
Why did'nt I thought of that?
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In Reply to: B L 8-32x Scope. Pros and Cons??? posted by dscott on August 07, 2000 at 18:34:51:
My friend says he is trading in his Bushnell Elite 4200 8-32x40 for either a 4200 4-16x50 or a second 4200 6-24x40. He finds the 8-32 stressed at 32x with eye position too critical because of small exit pupil. He loves his 4200 6-24 and I'm very happy with my B&L 4000 4-16x50 on a HB M14 .308. For spotters, the B&L Elite 15-45x60mm is superb and has been adopted by the US Marines in nearly the same form as the consumer scope for use by sniper teams. Dr.J.
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In Reply to: decible levels posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 07, 2000 at 16:17:53:
I haven't done it enough to understand it fully,
but it SEEMS like the lound BANG of my unmoderated
airguns scares wounded squirrels more -- gets the
adrenaline pumping and they jump around more.
With my moderated gun, they tend to just slump over
dead. No fuss.
Mike
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In Reply to: Re: Folks, remember to keep Harvey Binder in your prayers!!! (nt) posted by Spunky on August 08, 2000 at 13:54:01:
who is undergoing treatment for cancer... He is indeed in my prayers.
DG
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In Reply to: Re: Weihrauch,Beeman,Marksman What are the differences posted by john from NY on August 08, 2000 at 13:17:28:
nt
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In Reply to: new R-9 beeman posted by Pat OMeara on August 08, 2000 at 13:39:46:
They probably forgot to factor in the scope. Lucky you!
Bill from SLO
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In Reply to: Folks, remember to keep Harvey Binder in your prayers!!! (nt) posted by Mike Pearson on August 08, 2000 at 11:02:08:
Who is that?
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In Reply to: new R-9 beeman posted by Pat OMeara on August 08, 2000 at 13:39:46:
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In Reply to: Re: Chips Ahoy? Got Milk? Heh heh heh heh LOL it's just one of those days! better than bitching. posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 00:40:43:
A neanderthal version of Hannibal Lector.
bearridge
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In Reply to: new R-9 beeman posted by Pat OMeara on August 08, 2000 at 13:39:46:
n/t
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I just bought a new R-9 beeman with factory mounted 3-9x bushnell scope for 255$. The tag said 319 but when i took it to the register they rang it up 20% off for some reason. Was this a good deal?
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In Reply to: Upgrade Crosman 2100 (2177). Help! posted by Victor on August 08, 2000 at 13:08:23:
Jeff Wolgast, a longtime friend of mine, specializes in the upgrading of Crosmans (2100 included). Give him a call at (517)-362-6949. Tell him Mr.P (Mike Pearson) sent you!
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In Reply to: CO2 Accessory posted by DougWall on August 08, 2000 at 13:16:43:
I've already made one with brass. It works fine.
I'm getting 30 - 35 shots from one co2 cartridge
(QB78 in .177 cal.). I'm also using empty co2 cartridges filled with silicone. No difference with amount of shots. Regards U.T.
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In Reply to: CO2 Accessory posted by DougWall on August 08, 2000 at 13:16:43:
Doug
No big beal, you wouldn't need a piercing needle the
QB valve would do that. Make it long enough to be
screwed to the cap, double o-rings one at top and
bottom so the extra space would not be filled. I
made a replacement for my piercing plug on my QB-77
when I went bulk. Wanted to save to original. Now
you are wanting to replace the powerlet closest to the cap.
IHS
Joe W.
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In Reply to: Re: 13fpe? posted by JS on August 08, 2000 at 13:10:17:
My QB78/22 when it was stock was doing around 11.5 to 12 foot pounds. And after an LD tune it is now shooting 14.3 cps at around 685 fps or right at 15 foot pounds. It will hit 18 foot pounds with Korean heavies.
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In Reply to: MIT airguns? posted by Bob Kelly on August 08, 2000 at 11:49:48:
James at Funsupply is testing one now. Stay tuned.
Joe W.
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In Reply to: Weihrauch,Beeman,Marksman What are the differences posted by TStray on August 07, 2000 at 23:53:40:
Weihrauch most all of the Beeman guns, beeman doesnt make anything, just Imports stuff. Most of the R series guns are tuned up Weihrauches. The R-7 is the HW-30 with a better trigger and stock.
good luck-
john from NY
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OK, Here's a brainstorm for all you QB-78, CR160 owners who are also machinists.
How about a plug, that would take the place of the front powerlet in the gun, to allow the gun to run effectivly on one powerlet. You could just use an empty powerlet, but the gas from one powerlet has to then fill the "blank" and all the space around it.
Let's see- Solid copper or aluminum to provide a heat sink to warm the gas up. Close fit to take up as much extra space as possible. Small hole in the front end for the piercing needle.
Just some thoughts. If I ever get a '78, maybe I'll make one!
Let me know what you think.
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In Reply to: Re: replacements are $1.21...what is the big deal? posted by James L on August 08, 2000 at 08:37:19:
What mods did you do to get 13fpe from a QB-78? I figure that as 650fps with a 14.3 grain pellet.
My stock 78 on a normal day is shooting at 554-560. The figures I see on various sites lead me to believe this is fairly normal (550-600fps).
So, what have you modified to get 650 fps and 13fpe from it?
I ask because if one can modify the QB-78 to get 650fps, one could also modify the 2260 to do the same...right?
That said, I prefer the QB-78 because it is a clone of the more rugged Cr.160...more rugged than the Cr.2260 anyway. The trigger is nicely adjustable on three points, the bolt is...well... better, and the general feel is more solid. Okay, and it's also less expensive than the 2260.
Just curious..... Jack
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could you give me the information how to eliminate defects and how to increase speed (up to 260-290 m/s)
Please e-mail me.
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In Reply to: Re: cr 38T more power? posted by johnooh on August 07, 2000 at 18:18:15:
My barrel is 6". Where can i get a 8" and do you know how much it is?
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In Reply to: 392!!!!!! posted by Mac1 on August 08, 2000 at 12:46:56:
.177 *dink*
.22 *THWACK!*
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In Reply to: Benjamin 397 posted by Greg on August 08, 2000 at 10:25:19:
Think .22 when it comes to pump, pnuematic and CO2. They are 30+% more efficient than .177 in those type guns. Plus you not only get more punch at the muzzle due to .22 pellets going only 10% slower than .177 with twice the weight but the .22 retains that power way more effectively over distance. The 30 % difference magnifies to 80% difference in power at 25yards. When you hit a can it is the diffence between a dent/hole and the can flying. Think .22!!!!!!
Later
Tim
w
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In Reply to: The kids these days! Join the Military! (read to the end) posted by peter on August 08, 2000 at 02:03:21:
helping us in the USA to have the right to vote at the tender age of 18 today. :-)
It wasn't always so. Think it's rough not being able to own a Glock at age 18? Imagine when we were being drafted, sent halfway around the world, and could not even vote on who was doing the sending? How to you spell "helpless"?
I understand the angst of being 18....many of us have been 18 also....but it really has become better in many important respects. At least now at age 18 and above, we can influence the gun law makers with a vote.
And thank insurance companies for not letting 18 year olds rent a car. That is simply age group statistics at work. They can buy one though.
And some states permit drinking at age 18. If that is a priority, then moving might be the thing to do.
btw- I am missing something here...I read, "America has become a bunch of tree-hugging green peace liberals"...in one sentence, yet right after read, "I say it's time we allowed more liberal freedom back into our country".
Which is it? I am confused.
It really does take all kinds to make a world work. We may not like them all, but we may find later in life that we appreciate what they did.
Then again, we may not....but that's life.
Jack
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In Reply to: Hi Rick! Glad you jumped in on this... posted by DaveG on August 08, 2000 at 12:37:28:
No problem man, you're good with the facts. You were pretty much right on it anyway. Thanks Dave
Rick
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In Reply to: Re: Sorry that didn't work out.... posted by Rick McAllister on August 08, 2000 at 12:33:37:
Hope you don't mind my interpreting the situation for you... I was/am a little uncomforatable trying to speak for you...
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Re: I love this sport! posted by Spunky on August 08, 2000 at 12:10:57:
Yes that's true. And, I think that would have been a great relationship, but unfortunately it never recovered from the mess with UPS. Gary and I still talk from time to time and wonder how things might have developed. This month ending with the Nationals and Worlds was to be our time in the sun that we started talking about last November. Nevertheless, both Gary and I are happy we are where we are now – he remains the undisputed master craftsman of big bore, and I’m learning and earning my way around the ranks on the FT circuit.
Someday, something might still develop and Gary and I will start all over again. He’s an artist and a good friend so my interest will always be peaked for sure.
Rick McAllister
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In Reply to: Research These URLs.... posted by JohnD on August 08, 2000 at 00:34:17:
You seem to be missing a bunch
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In Reply to: any Webley FX2000 owners out there? posted by Keith on August 08, 2000 at 07:30:08:
I have an axsor and an FX buth are almost the same except for a couple internal changes, a manometer, and a silly change to the magazine (axsor and FX have different magazines: read more cost if you own both).
I think the manometer is nice and power wise and accuracy wise they are both great. In the US it seems there are not nearly as many options as in the UK and in the US they are much more expensive.
The Venom custom ones seem nice but the action enhancements are not that far off from the original. The niftiest feature is the push to charge bolt.
The target one looks nice BUT it's not really an FT gun as I can see. It's .22 caliber (big disadvantage and it shoots at what looks like 30FPE or more. For $2200 you can get a better FT gun.
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In Reply to: These Pump Americans in Walnut have more Brass than just in the barrels! posted by Lloyd S. on August 07, 2000 at 19:41:59:
(nt)
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In Reply to: Re: I love this sport! posted by Spunky on August 08, 2000 at 12:10:57:
Something different...
Gary has switched his focus to doing big bore stuff, and really does not have the time to dedicate to building the F/T rig...
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In Reply to: Re: I love this sport! posted by DaveG on August 08, 2000 at 11:10:37:
Was Rick going to be team Barnes with that custom FT gun from Gary Barnes that got destroyed in the shipping?
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In Reply to: Many thanks guys posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 20:57:03:
Went shopping at Toys 'R Us with some of my kids for another one's birthday last weekend.
Lo and behold, close to the cash register they had plastic bags containing 50 LITTLE GREEN ARMY MEN for $1.00 a bag. That can provide a lot of fun for a fairly low price ($.02 per man). This was in the Atlanta area, but I bet Toys 'R Us stores in other areas have the same thing.
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In Reply to: First impressions of the HW45/Beeman P1 posted by Fearon Steele on August 08, 2000 at 03:15:25:
Fearon:
My P-1 never did stop dieseling until I took it apart and cleaned it up some. If you do that, and put some of Maccari's velocity tar on the spring, it really smooths out. Lose a lot of velocity, though, as mine seemed to be diesel powered. $439 Canadian would be what, maybe $325 US? Thats not far out of line with what I paid for mine.
Sloop
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In Reply to: Heres the url for that manual posted by Sid on August 08, 2000 at 08:40:04:
6 Parts of follow though
1) Keep stock weld
2) Keep trigger squeeze all the way to the rear
3) Continue to look through scope
4) Keep relaxed muscles
5) Let barrel reset on target
6) Release trigger after recoil stops and barrel resets
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For the first time I happened upon MIT airguns today.
Does anyone have any knowledge of these.
1)Quality
2)Depenabilty
3)Accuracy
4)Last but not least power w/accuracy
Thank you for your input.
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In Reply to: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:12:57:
Mike try crushed red pepper birds should go around the red pepper and it should stop the coon
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In Reply to: First impressions of the HW45/Beeman P1 posted by Fearon Steele on August 08, 2000 at 03:15:25:
i feel for you as yer up north. as Beeman imports the P1 have you though of up grading the Barrel? brad troyers sight had a P1 barrel for sale for around $45 i think..btw as you may know by now i have the P1 in 5mm and although its rated for 500 it barely hits it..i chronyed it with H&N FTTS 5mm a 495-498 hot N humid it hits 460fps..you might think of a 5mm barrel as an upgrade..also id get some pachmeyr grips ..they work well on the pistol..i like mine a lot..its a fun gun to shoot..i agree about the price too..used price can be as low a $275 US
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just want to remind everyone that Marty is out of town this week attending to family matters, and that Silver Streak Sports will be closed for the remainder of this week...
I for one, am wishing Marty, and his family, the best this week, and hold them in my prayers...
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Re: IZH 60/61 page, URL inside...... posted by RBest on August 08, 2000 at 01:28:17:
Russ,
Are the details for the soft tune in the earlier 60/61 tune of yours that I read? Can you email me the details or the URL?
Thanks,
docwells
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In Reply to: No harm meant dude..... posted by JS on August 08, 2000 at 10:49:08:
I've read your past posts regarding your thoughts on this gun and always look to pick up anything new from them I'm unaware of. In fact I meant to second your advice to shop - it's a point often overlooked by someone not aware of just how many options there are.
Yes, mine advertised the synthetic seal (I have leather) and also a 'scope stop' (not present) - However I did order the parts kit at the same time as the gun, which does have the synth. seals (if I ever need them). Really, for the range limitations I face in my shooting and for indoors, this has become a favorite of mine.
Shoot Straight...,
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: AGL is testing the FX 2000 right now posted by Tom Gaylord on August 08, 2000 at 08:02:08:
Just way too powerful for FT
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In Reply to: Re: I love this sport! posted by Steve in CT on August 08, 2000 at 11:05:15:
That (Ricks) plan has changed... there was an opportunity presented him, that could not be passed up... It didn't come together, so he is sticking with the CR-X. It was a once in a lifetime thing, just not meant to be...
As for myself, this year is just a learning thing... I still approach each match with a grain of salt, and have no real thoughts about winning, yet... Only to do better than the match before. Now, come January, and that changes! Next season will be approached with a different goal in mind...
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: I love this sport! posted by DaveG on August 08, 2000 at 10:55:31:
Dave you are heading to high places hehe you are on your way to the top guy LOL and you are doing it with the Career nevertheless. I think you have Rick M convinced too because I saw he is trying to sell his CRX already.
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Hello, i would like to know the URL's of some good PERSONAL airgun websites, thanks in advance
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In Reply to: Re: The kids these days! Join the Military! (read to the end) posted by Mike Pearson on August 08, 2000 at 09:38:54:
I totally agree with Mike Pearson, word for word! and......again, Peter, thank you for serving this country with honor!
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What an awesome experience I had at this past weekends Oak Ridge match... For anyone that could have made it there and didn't, well shame on you. You missed a great match! Personally, I shot a 51/60 using my 707 in .177... (the same gun Rick McAllister used to tie for second a couple of weeks ago in Damascus), but with a different stock. A 51 is the best score I have shot yet in a match, and I have a ton of confidence in the gun... More than I ever had in the first gun I was using. I had only been shooting it for just over a week, and it is still feeling new to me, and I've made a lot of changes in the gun, prior to the match... I feel more than confident that the gun is capable of netting scores higher than this past weekends.
As usual, this past weekends match yielded an opportunity for me to meet more fellow airgunners, and due to the upcoming Nationals/Worlds, some of the bigger names in the sport were in attendance... So if I was already nervous about shooting the gun I put together for the first time, doing it in front of names like Brad Troyer, Wade Sutherland, and Robert Crocker added a little fuel to that fire...
What a thrill it gave me to hand the gun to Brad, and watch him shoulder it... And then to Wade, and anyone else that was interested in seeing it... Heads nodded approvingly...
Then on to the match... As I stated, it is the best match score I have posted to date, and now that I have the first timers nerves behind me, I will improve on it... But, to watch some of the others shoot, that is where the real experience was... Robert Crocker, and Rick McAllister were squaded one lane ahead, and while not shooting I watched them with great interest ... watching masters of any trade at work is always an education!
After the final scores were tallied, there came a shoot-off between Brad Troyer, and Robert Crocker... Watching them reenter the lanes was like watching two gladiators entering an arena for battle... I could not believe how calm they both appeared to be, and with what confidence they began the shoot-off ... they made those very difficult shots look extraordinarily easy... WOW, was I impressed!
Now, on to the Worlds!
Regards,
DaveG
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In Reply to: Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:
Russ, I've seen kids in a candy store that didn't have as much fun as you were/are!!! Have FUN guy! I now see you as the AGLF's new millenium version of Mike Hammer! ("I wasn't looking for trouble. Trouble was looking for me! Luckily for me, I was prepared with my er, um Crosman 600 in my shoulder holster, I was prepared for all comers. I was ready.") Just a little snippet from your next novel Russ! (If you need a book agent, we can talk.lol!)
Anyone out there have any ideas for Russ's new novel (I drafted him into)?????? --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Unfortunately, most people would rather replace cheap guns every year than ... posted by TinkerMan on August 08, 2000 at 10:36:51:
While it may be true that Crosman's manufacturing and marketing structure are geared toward the lower end of the spectrum, what's to stop one of the mid range makers from making a copy?
If there is enough of a market for single shot PCP's to keep several manufacturers in business, surely someone could make something similar to the 600 using modern techniques for $250-$400.
What do you think?
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In Reply to: Re: Need a secondary gun...Comments on the QB88,Daisy 161 and Chinese B18? posted by Tir on August 08, 2000 at 09:45:46:
I was just pointing out alternatives :-)
And that they are the same gun.
One point to mention is that all vendors say their QB-88 has a synthetic seal. South Summit says this also. Mine has a leather seal and it came from them. No biggie.....airguns have been using leather seals for decades and decades.
You can look in the breech and find out. Cock the gun, shine a light into the breech face air hole. If you see a metal screw or washer, it's a leather seal usually. If you see yellowish plastic stuff, it's synthetic.
You can buy rebuild kits for $8-$10 that have the synthetic seal in them. But care for a leather seal and it should last a long time also.
fwiw, Jack
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In Reply to: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:12:57:
1 A 12 bore- but that would hurt them seriously
2 a paint ball or soft airgun
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In Reply to: The kids these days! Join the Military! (read to the end) posted by peter on August 08, 2000 at 02:03:21:
Peter you are 100% right. If you are old enough to serve your country, vote, fight wars then it is unfair not to allow you to drink, buy guns and any other legal activity. In my book this is under age discrimination. The government is "trying" to protect us all the time from something. All they do is chip,chip,chip away from the our freedom. Freedom is not expanding. It is the same that was 1000 years ago. When laws are expanding and they do all the time they do at the expense of freedom. BTW I served 2 years in the military too. Big responsibility. They should definately allow you to buy a handgun.
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In Reply to: need Mr. P to opine on pellet " SD " ... posted by vZc® on August 07, 2000 at 22:03:19:
Vern, actually I've mentioned sectional density in many past posts although you're right in that I never did a treatise on sectional density alone. SD is a major factor in a projectile's ballistic coefficient (but not the be all and end all there). There are some pellets that have a relatively high SD and a low BC (Silver Arrows to name one, the .20 Ram Jet is another). SD is also a player-contributor in a pellet's ability to penetrate. Again though, there are other factors that can and do enhance or negate penetration (these being hardness or softness of the lead, the caliber of the pellet for pellet pressure purposes because SD doesn't address this, and the head-style of the pellet -- pointed, flat, dome). For example, I have found that a Crosman 2100 doing a little over 8ft.lbs. with 7.9gr. domes will outpenetrate my Kodiak .25 @ point blank range using Crow Magnum pellets and do so by 1.4" at that (in the ubiquitous Ivory that I favor in testing). 4.4" of penetration compared to 3". The big Crow Mag pellet has tremendous SD compared to the little Crosman pellet and a great advantage in Momentum to (the pellet's ability to keep moving forward) but penetration was negated by the soft,expanding tip of the Crow Mag and the very hard dome of the Crosman. Also, the pellet pressure was very much in favor of the Crosman dome too. I have told posters (Steve was one of them) that if you're interested in what a pellet SHOULD do in regards to penetration don't analyze the possible causes for it a pellet might bring to the table. Just shoot it and measure the penetration. The reasons for a pellet's ability to penetrate deep (or not do so) will then become readily apparent with but a little thinking. The answers begin to juxtapose themselves.
For anyone who is interested, the formula for a pellet's sectional density (SD) is bullet weight divided 7000 divided by bullet diameter squared.
Let's say we want to find out the SD of a 7.9gr. Crosman dome and the SD of a .25 Crow Mag (26.2gr.). Since I use a hand calculator I find the diameter squared first. In these two cases, .031329 and .0625 for .177 and .25 respectively.
Next, we'll divide 7.9gr. by 70000 =.0011285 divided by .031329 = SD of .0360209 for the 7.9gr. Crosman.
The .25 Crow Mag will go as follows: 26.2gr. divided by 7000 = .0037428 divided by .0625 = a SD of .0598848 for the .25 hollowpoint pellet. As you can see this is a SUBSTANTIAL difference in favor of the .25. And yet, the little Crosman pellet impacting at a fraction of the energy (and more importantly in regards to penetration, a fraction of the momentum) outpenetrated the .25 Crow Mag pellet by 31.8%! Of course, this tells little about the .25 Crow Mag/Kodiak's vastly superior knockdown power but is used just for an example of how we can't put all our eggs into on (ballistics) basket!
Vern, I didn't comment on the url you provided because I couldn't download it. --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Benjamin 397 posted by Greg on August 08, 2000 at 10:25:19:
Greg,
I own a Sheridan and love it. I bought it as a truck rifle, something to have with me for those times when a buddy's wife askes me to get rid of those *&$&^$ squirrels around the feeder. I find it very accurate. I can put shots into a 3/4" bull at 25 yards bench rest with a Williams Peep. I would suggest you get rid of the rear sight and get the Williams. The rifle is light compact and offers a lot of power for the money. You have to be willing to pump er though.
HTH
Gary
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In Reply to: Too Expensive, And They Would Not Make It As Nice As The Old Ones.(nt) posted by Howard Chapman II on August 08, 2000 at 00:59:28:
... pay a decent price for a quality one to start with.
I'm not referring to the readers of this forum, but instead to the thousands of general Walmart shoppers out there, most of whom buy airguns primarily on impulse.
While I disagree with the approach, I suspect that from Crosman's perspective, they have concluded that they'll make more money selling a cheap $29.95 pistol today that will last a year or so and then selling another one next year and so on, rather than manufacturing at higher cost and selling at a higher price a high quality pistol that would cost significantly more than that.
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In Reply to: Crosman 600 posted by tommy on August 07, 2000 at 23:06:57:
I would have to agree that it would probably not be cost effective for Crosman to re-introduce the 600. That's unfortunate because it means that their only real concern is making money. Not that I'm against making money, but it would be nice for them to do it for other reasons.
About a year or so ago I sent a letter off to Crosman suggesting they consider combining the M1 rifle with the 600 internals. I thought that would be an awesome combination, a 10 shot .22 caliber semi-automatic carbine. I know I would belly up to the bar for one of those. But again, I'm sure they figure it is not cost effective for them. It would be expensive for them to tool up for it and they probably wouldn't sell millions. Therefore they don't it.
Oh well, we can all dream...
-jon-
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I am contemplating purchasing a Benjamin 397 for plinking. I would appreciate any commemtary (pro or con)
about whether this is a wise decision
Thanks in advance.
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In Reply to: Joe, your complete answer is here.... posted by JohnD on August 08, 2000 at 08:36:33:
nt
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In Reply to: BTW posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 22:07:41:
Elke huh? The best I could do was meeting an Elke
look-alike once upon a time in Germany. Leave it to you to come up with the real article! Well, darnit, out with it, what was she like? Inquiring 47 year old minds DO want to know (educational purposes)! ----- Mr.P
I will looking for your (detailed) post!
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In Reply to: Re: Need a secondary gun...Comments on the QB88,Daisy 161 and Chinese B18? posted by JS on August 08, 2000 at 08:10:06:
Righto! I overpaid for mine, I realize... I made the mistake of buying a gun first - Then doing the research, lol ...
I'm much less likely to make that same mistake again ;)
Still a good value/cost ratio even at the inflated price :)
Tim
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In Reply to: The kids these days! Join the Military! (read to the end) posted by peter on August 08, 2000 at 02:03:21:
Being a veteran myself, I empathize with you! I think there should be some differentiation in the law for service members. I really do! Just on the principle of it! However,Peter, I do not think that even you would want to vouche for the average 18 year old when it comes to handguns. I know I wouldn't. Military service members? Yes! The average 18 year olds I've run across? No thank you!
Thank you Peter for your service to our country! ---- Mr.P
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In Reply to: The Bullet's Flight, by Dr Mann posted by Rick on August 08, 2000 at 00:48:13:
If the pellet is creating a spiral, how could this not show up vertically somewhere at 5 yd increments all the way to 50 yds? In my mind, at some point it would be just as radically high or low...Willey M
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In Reply to: cayenne pepper posted by JP on August 08, 2000 at 08:37:11:
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In Reply to: My Crosman 600 experience. posted by Neil on August 08, 2000 at 08:42:22:
I'm glad you and Russ are having so much fun but what I wonder is WHY Crosman can't or won't seem to figure out that there is a demand (a "hunger" would be more like it) for some of these old chest nuts? ----- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Once a dream of my youth- now a reality posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 19:45:59:
I know what you mean. About a year ago I started getting into airguns again. I started doing some research on the web and the first thing I saw and read about was the Crosman 600. There was so much talk about modifications done to this pistol. Then I came across the SIXBALL. After I saw that gun with mods I had to get one. I search high and low and finally got one for $60.00 from a gun store. The seals were bad but nothing a few bucks couldn't handle. After I got it back and used Crosman Wadcutters. I shredded up so many tin cans, I could have set up my own recyling company. Then I sent it out to get modified by Mr. Bulk. When I got it back, what a monster it was. Forget the cans, time for those damn rats and squirrels. Now I had my own exterminating company(hehehe). All I can say that its a great airgun. Withing the past few months, I was able to get 4 more. One pistol was alreay modified by Dave Gunter which I bought used; the other 3 I bought where 1 was sent to Dave Gunter to have modified; the second I modified myself by adding a bulk fill tank; the 3rd one I'll just leave as is. Two were bought in mint condition. Great guns! Thank God I have a job to pay for these toys!
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In Reply to: Army sniping and airguns..similarities ( don't laugh ) posted by Sid on August 07, 2000 at 21:52:45:
http://www.snipersparadise.com/
The manual is linked from the very first page,
comes in .pdf format and you have to download
each chapter individually..well worth it though.
Lots of other interesting stuff on the site too.
Nice list of URL's John..thanks mate..here in the
UK we have finally got flat rate net access so I
can explores these sites without running up a huge
phone bill.
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In Reply to: replacements are $1.21...what is the big deal? posted by ^tg^ on August 08, 2000 at 07:17:55:
Well lets start at power 13fb(QB78) vs 9fp(2260).
Second is price. You can get a QB78 for $69.99 from auctionarms and a couple of other places as well.2260 goes for abour $100 most places. So let see advantages of a QB vs a 2260
1) Steel reciever on QB vs plastic on 2260
2) More power in QB 13fp vs 9fp in 2260
3) Price $69.99 for QB vs aprox $100 for 2260
So where exactly does the 2260 come up as superior? NOWHERE thats where.
Buy the QB its a better deal all around.
James L
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In Reply to: Help - stop raccoons from eating birdseed?? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 08, 2000 at 01:12:57:
Birds have no sensory receptors for pepper--they can't feel its heat or even taste it. But all mammals get a whammy from it. You can buy stuff to mix with your bird seed, but it's just high-powered cayenne pepper anyway. Get a big jar of the hottest powdered cayenne pepper you can find, and mix it with your seeds--don't get to close or the powder will fly up in your face.
I tried this. At first I put too little and the squirrel that was giving me problems just stuck his head in the feeder and ate and sneezed. So I upped the pepper dose until he couldn't take it.
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In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question, when shooting in non-horizontal plane posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 08, 2000 at 07:09:55:
The A-Team site has the complete answer to your question. They have some sample data graphed that their program outputted.
The graphs/tables show the pellet drop at various angles at various distances. They also graphed a level shot (no angle) so you can compare. The file/link you want is called "P70 Incline Comparisons.xls" You will need Microsoft Excel to open it though.
Quite honestly, I have the program and think it's one of the best bargains, if not the best bargain, in the Airgunning Hobby.
http://www.bestweb.net/~ateamray/Contents.htm is a great site worth reading in full.
In Reply to: You worry me a bit. How long did it take you to collect all these? : ) (nt) posted by John Sa. on August 08, 2000 at 01:09:01:
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In Reply to: Need a secondary gun...Comments on the QB88,Daisy 161 and Chinese B18? posted by Josh P. on August 08, 2000 at 01:09:39:
The "TF-88" is (like most Tech Force guns) the same Chinese QB-88. Compasseco loves to put the "TF" label on and tack an additional $20+ to the price. Go to the SouthSummit web site and find the same QB-88 for $50. That is were mine came from. Nearly 10,000 shots later it's a sweet shooter and popping starlings nicely out to 20-25 yards. Not a magnum, but a very nice gun. Once it's broken-in, it can be scoped with even inexpensive cheapies. Shorter scopes won't obstruct the loading port.
The B18 is also nice. Just over the line of what is called "magnum" power...at around 850-900fps in .177, or 710+fps in .22 caliber. Pretty accurate (3/4" at 35 yards or so) and not badly priced. It does take some effort to cock though, but then I am more partial to sidelevers. Needs a minimum of a Bushnell Sportview scope to not be destroyed by recoil and good set of mounts to prevent creepage.
You might not like the recoil....it is much more stout than the QB-88.
hth, Jack
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In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question, when shooting in non-horizontal plane posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 08, 2000 at 07:09:55:
Joe,
The affect of gravity is based on the time that the pellet travels. When shooting significantly above or below horizontal, the pellet is traveling the "hypotenuse of the triangle". Longer air time for a given horizontal distance. If you're figuring actual distance to target, it shouldn't make any difference. If you are shooting at a starling way up in a tree, and you figure the distance to the base of the tree, you will hit low (longer actual distance). Works the same when shooting down.
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In Reply to: Re: Pellet trajectory question, when shooting in non-horizontal plane posted by Driskill on August 08, 2000 at 07:45:27:
I assume the amount of impact shift is relative to the angle of the flight path, but does anyone have any other rules of thumb for how much the poi shifts?
In Reply to: Our right to gather and speak posted by The Airgun Letter on August 07, 2000 at 19:59:54:
Massachusetts gooood...
New Jersey baaaad...
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In Reply to: any Webley FX2000 owners out there? posted by Keith on August 08, 2000 at 07:30:08:
Kieth,
I am testing the FX 2000 right now. You probably know the features from Pyramyd Air's site. The gun is performing very well, so far.
I expect to publish a full report on the FX 2000, plus a look at a special custom FX, in the very near future.
Regards,
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.net
http://www.airgunletter.com
In Reply to: Re: pellets and bowling balls? posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 23:56:53:
Maybe Peter better ensure he shoots 'right handed' pellets then? (those left handed pellets can throw you off in the wrong gun, haha!)
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: pellets and bowling balls? posted by peter huppertz on August 08, 2000 at 04:44:28:
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In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question, when shooting in non-horizontal plane posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 08, 2000 at 07:09:55:
This is hardly a scientific/mathematical sort of answer, but imagine a typical situation where you are holding a gun horizontal. When you shoot, gravity is acting at a right angle to the line of flight, and produces the maximum possible amount of pellet drop, relative to an imaginary line which extends the centerline of the barrel.
Now imagine shooting a gun straight up. Gravity is acting parallel to the line of flight, and there is NO pellet drop relative to that same bore line.
If you shoot at some angle which is in between horizontal and vertical, the amount of drop is likewise somewhere in between these two extremes. So yes, generally the point of impact is higher than it would be when shooting horizontally, relative to your line of sight.
I think Russ's rule of thumb when shooting at an incline/decline is to use the same holdover that you would for the horizontal component of the target's distance.
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In Reply to: Re: What's the procedure to lube pellets with Slick50 One Lube? posted by RBest on August 07, 2000 at 23:51:57:
I pour my pellets in a ziplock baggie, spritz the inside of the bag and the pellets, then gently slide the pellets around in the lube. I pour the lubed pellets back into the container they came from, then toss the bag. No mess!
JPO
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In Reply to: Pellet trajectory question, when shooting in non-horizontal plane posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 08, 2000 at 07:09:55:
Assuming you have a scope sitting on top of your gun. Now if you had zeroed that scope at 50 yards on the horizontal level of the gun your muzzle will be pointing a little bit up to compensate for the gravity factor in the trajectory.
Now Imagine aiming that gun straight 90 degrees up in the sky. The gravity effect here is only pulling the pellet down but no bow in the trajectory. So if the pellet flies straight this time it will hit above where the scope is point.
Same thing for straight down shooting and somewhere in between for all other ankles. I hope I didn't confuse you.
Steve
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Would like to hear your feedback if you are familiar with this gun. Any info is appreciated.
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In Reply to: Re: RWWS Model 48 posted by M Boyle on August 07, 2000 at 23:41:34:
All of these pellets are made by Beeman.
H&N Match 13.75 g. wadcutter,
Silver Sting 15.74 g. pointed,
Crow Magnum 18.20 g. hollow point,
Ram Jet 14.7 g. round nose.
Those are the pellets I'd be using. The gun would
be a RWS Model 48 in .22 cal.
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In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2260 QB78 posted by James L on August 07, 2000 at 23:44:44:
have over 3500 shots on my 2240 with 2260 barrel.....no problems!!!!!!! even ordered 3 extra breechs to have around. I dont see this as a problem....
I remember reading something about this and it keeps hitting my brain every few months, but won't leave this time.
I read that when shooting at something above or below the level of the gun, the pellet will hit above where you aimed (all other factors removed). My question is: is this true? and if so can someone explain why?
I think it has something to do with a greater or lesser affect of gravity during the flight of the pellet.