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Re: Range Finders


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Msg. 270886  Posted by Quack on August 02, 2000 at 07:04:13:

In Reply to: Re: Range Finders posted by G. Jang on August 02, 2000 at 06:58:52:

Thanks man, thats what I thought.

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Msg. 270885  Posted by Jock on August 02, 2000 at 07:02:38:

Earlier this year, a 7-year-old shot a 5-year-old with a pump-up pellet gun and she died. Just recently, a man went berserk in New York City and began sniping people with a “high-powered” air rifle. One died, and another was blinded.

If my research is correct, the two who died both suffered the same mechanism of death: the aorta was nicked, and the person bled to death internally. As anyone who visits this forum regularly might notice, killing large animals with small caliber airguns is very difficult. So, aside from the obvious (no one should have discharged an airgun at these people to begin with), the victims were also extraordinarily unlucky in where they were hit.

Nevertheless, I fear that a movement to ban airguns might arise. Here are some arguments that might be used with those who would put airguns in the same classification as firearms.

Ask a banning proponent if they would mind if you dropped a ping-pong ball on his or her head from one foot in the air. Chances are, they’ll say “no problem.” Then ask, “Could I drop a bowling ball on your head from the same height?” You’ll probably get a resounding “NO!”

Point out that, even though the ping-pong ball and the bowling ball travel at exactly the same speed, they pack an enormous difference in energy. Similarly, there is an enormous difference in energy when comparing firearms and airguns.

Compared to a firearm, an airgun is a ping-pong ball. A .22 long rifle shoots with roughly 100 foot-pounds of energy. A typical airgun has about 1/8 the energy (12 foot pounds). Some a bit more, some a bit less (target rifles, about 5 foot pounds; air pistols, often 2-3 foot pounds). So, while airguns clearly can be dangerous, their lethality compared to even the smallest firearms is greatly reduced.

Then, if they say, “Isn’t that limited lethality too great a risk?” you might point out that over the past ten years, far more (perhaps 10 times) people have been killed playing football than have died from airguns. Suggest that, if they really want to save lives, they should try banning the sales of footballs and related equipment since clearly the risks posed by the irresponsible few outweigh the benefits to the responsible majority.

An interesting site to check out is the National Center for Catastrophic
Sport Injury Research -- http://www.unc.edu/depts/nccsi/

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Re: Range Finders


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Msg. 270884  Posted by G. Jang on August 02, 2000 at 06:58:52:

In Reply to: Range Finders posted by Quack on August 01, 2000 at 21:45:27:

Hi Quack---

Do yourself a huge favor and get the lazer rangefinder. It will simplify you life greatly. Long before lazer rangefinders hit the market, I was using coincedence type rangefinders and they can be very finiky to use. (Temperature sensitive and consistent technique must be used and they still did not give reliable accuracy at the ranges they were most needed.) The advent of the lazer rangefinder is the greatest thing since sliced bread and has done more for increasing my efficiency in harvesting small game than any other factor I can name. (Especially in long range rimfire hunting.) Just for example, let's say that your effective range without a rangefinder is 55 yds. Let's say that you've done your real world balistic homework and can regularly hit a baseball or round end of a coke can out to 110 yds if you know the yardage. You'd probably feel pretty good thinking that you've doubled you efficiency. Wrong!!!!! You've more than doubled your efficiency. Let's say your in a hide or blind. The area you're covering without the rangefinder is a 55 yd radius or 9507 sq. yds. With a 110 yd. raduis capability, you are covering 38029 sq. yds. (38029-9507)/9507=300% increase in efficiency. Not bad wouldn't you say? Of course, just because you can accurately read yardage out to XYZ yards doesn't mean that everyone can hit at those ranges without doing some serious homework and practice, but a lazer rangefinder will help you become the best that you and your outfit can be.
GJ
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Msg. 270883  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 06:52:51:

In Reply to: Re: ?FPE? posted by Marco on August 02, 2000 at 06:49:12:

I might be getting one this Christmas. :-) In .22
cal. :-) Y'know how every one says the trigger
sucks. Is there a way to fix it?
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Re: ?FPE?


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Msg. 270882  Posted by Marco on August 02, 2000 at 06:49:12:

In Reply to: ?FPE? posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 06:39:53:

It's all about shot placement. Hit a rabbit in the tail or leg, and it's only wounded. Same with a squirrel or crow. Hit it in a lethal zone (heart-lungshot or headshot) and it'll die instantly. A Gamo 440 is maybe even 'too powerfull'. No gun is, I know... ;-)

I own a one myself, and at 1000 FPS (Foot per second) it is lethal up to at least the range were you can hit a lethel zone. So: If you hit a pigeon head-shot at 50 yards, it's a dead pigeon...

And you have a .22! Much better than my 9 .177 weapons...
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Msg. 270881  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 02, 2000 at 06:39:53:

What does FPE mean? If it means foot pound energy
would 7 be enough to kill a crow? What about a
squirrel?Would a Gamo Hunter 440 in .22 cal. be
able to kill a squirrel and a crow?
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Re: Headless Turkeys...


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Msg. 270880  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 02, 2000 at 06:26:39:

In Reply to: Re: Headless Turkeys... posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 20:01:56:


Mike, yes that is the MDC hunting rules, Turkeys may only be taken by shotgun. Haven't asked them if an air shotgun could be used. But don't have one, and don't plan on buying one.

Marty
SSSports

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Re: Gamo


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Msg. 270878  Posted by Marco on August 02, 2000 at 05:48:11:

In Reply to: Gamo posted by Pepi on August 01, 2000 at 21:42:30:

Go for a BSA SS, Beeman or RWS weapon. I wanted to sell my 440 after 1 week. Still stuck with it though... (Trigger sucks)
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Re: Most powerful co2 air rifles?


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Msg. 270877  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 02, 2000 at 05:46:55:

In Reply to: Re: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by Steve B. on August 01, 2000 at 13:51:37:

It is the lightweight front end that I like for quick pointing purposes. The gun moves effortlessly. And and I stated, the 180 excels as a field gun where every ounce of weight makes a difference. If you prefer a heavy front end then tie a rock to the muzzle ;-)
DT Fletcher
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Re: Scope/mount combo and muzzle breaks


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Msg. 270876  Posted by Sammy on August 02, 2000 at 05:04:29:

In Reply to: Scope/mount combo and muzzle breaks posted by Ira on August 01, 2000 at 20:37:56:

I had the Beeman Universal Muzzle Brake on my Supersport and it fit well on the gun. Looked good too.
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How good are Smith Wesson C02 Revolvers?


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Msg. 270875  Posted by John in Alaska on August 02, 2000 at 04:00:45:

Saw one in the store today and thought it looked very cool! Since I just bought a S&W .44 Magnum w/4" barrel for bear protection when hiking and mountain biking, I thought one of these air pistols would be a good (cheap, quiet and safe) way to practice gun handling and target shooting skills right at home. The Smith & Wesson 686 look-alike that I saw today was very solid and seemed built really well. (Made in Germany.) The store wouldn't let me shoot it, because then "it would become a used" gun. So... how good are these things? Are they pretty accurate? (I mean consistent, when bench mounted.) How long should I expect it to last? If parts wear out, what will it cost to repair? How many shots do you get out of one CO2 cannister?

Hoping someone can help steer me either into or out of buying one. My goal is just to get good and accurate with my gun, so that I can draw quickly and fire accurately on the first shot. Most likely, I will only be shooting at paper and other small indoor targets with this thing.
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Msg. 270874  Posted by HG on August 02, 2000 at 02:16:47:

In Reply to: Things an airgun hunter needs posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 12:22:36:

but not least you need some areas with game. The game finder has me interested but not ready to buy quite yet. I bet in three years they can find a mouse 100 ft away the way technology improves.
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Redo on 'pellets' post


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Msg. 270873  Posted by SS on August 02, 2000 at 01:54:24:

ok ok ok, which pellets would be best for the Super Max: Gamo, Daisy, Copperhead, or RWS? I can't find the crow-magnums here. Thanks.
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Re: Crosman # 400 magazines


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Msg. 270872  Posted by Mike in HI on August 02, 2000 at 01:54:10:

In Reply to: Crosman # 400 magazines posted by Steve Kuhn on August 02, 2000 at 01:19:21:

I got mine from Herb Smith, 3223 Pershing S.E., Albulquerque, NM 87106 or e-mail airgunnut@aol.com He sells them for $21.00 each post paid. He's a great person.
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R9 is great


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Msg. 270871  Posted by LarryH on August 02, 2000 at 01:49:35:

In Reply to: any thoughts about Beeman R9 please posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 20:39:52:

I've had an R9 for quite some time now. It is the first real airgun I owned and it still amazes me today. I really don't think you can go wrong with this gun or really get bored of it. It shoots at around 14 to 16ftlbs and is very accurate. I actually don't have a scope for it yet but recently ordered a Simmons ProAir 4-12x40mm. With open sights I could shoot pretty accurately. Crow Magnums from Beeman seem to work the best. In my opinion this is the best springer you can get for around 230-280 dollars.
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Msg. 270870  Posted by SS on August 02, 2000 at 01:44:29:

Which pellets would be best for the Super Max air rifle, the RWS or Daisy pellets? Which kind on the RWS or Daisy? I would get the Beeman Crow Magnums but we don't have them here. Thanks.
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how did you bulk the 1077?


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Msg. 270869  Posted by LarryH on August 02, 2000 at 01:41:17:

In Reply to: new breech is $1.21 from Crosman...what the big deal? posted by ^tg^ on August 01, 2000 at 07:49:38:

^tg^ I went to your website. That bulked 1077 is mean looking and extremely awesome! How did you do that? Where'd you get the parts?
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Re: Paintballers please read!


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Msg. 270868  Posted by Zacch on August 02, 2000 at 01:39:09:

In Reply to: Paintballers please read! posted by Bob on August 01, 2000 at 23:59:45:

Contact me and I will help you.
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golden toller CO2s


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Msg. 270867  Posted by LarryH on August 02, 2000 at 01:31:12:

In Reply to: Re: CO2 25 PACK posted by JAMES L on August 01, 2000 at 10:09:38:

Golden Toller sells Crosman CO2 powerlets at 43 cents a piece. I got 55 for just around 23 dollars. This is the best deal I can find on CO2s. Anyone who uses lots of powerlets should check him out.

http://goldentoller.freeyellow.com/


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Msg. 270866  Posted by LarryH on August 02, 2000 at 01:24:34:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2250 posted by JoshieCK on August 01, 2000 at 10:41:26:

The 2250 gets about 35 good shots before elevation and power drops off. You can tell immediately because the gun is not accurate at all and not as loud.

They do make rechargeable CO2s. I read about them on someones website though I forget the URL. They're not as good as normal powerlets. You don't get as many shots and the shots are less powerful. Plus they take a while to refill and are expensive and sometimes don't fit properly into particular guns. Regular CO2s are better for now until they improve technology.


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Crosman 2250 is great


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Msg. 270865  Posted by LarryH on August 02, 2000 at 01:19:40:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250 posted by JoshieCK on August 01, 2000 at 00:08:36:

I got my 2250 from Golden Toller not too long ago. This gun is great and worth every penny. I took a squirrel out from about 30 feet no problem. The gun is very accurate with the cheap scope it comes with. I think if you're not a serious hunter and just want something that's good for shooting at no more than 40 yards or so then this is the perfect gun.
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Crosman # 400 magazines


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Msg. 270864  Posted by Steve Kuhn on August 02, 2000 at 01:19:21:

I recently came across an old # 400 pellgun made by Crosman. It is missing the magazine. Does anyone out there know where I can get one?
I was told that there is a person making reproductions, can anyone help.

Thanks,

Steve
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Re: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me


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Msg. 270863  Posted by Bud on August 02, 2000 at 01:12:13:

In Reply to: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:32:02:


I know those "people" outlawed video poker in S.C and put around 20,000 hard working people out of work! Whats next??The right to shoot a GUN in our "payed for land!"Me and my wife was eating at a local bar and I saw a sign that said as follows.

"They OutLaw Video Poker"
"They Ban our Rights to have Firearms"
"Then Our Freedom"
They'll have to take it out of my cold Dead hands!!(my freedom)

Thanks BUD
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IZH-671 CO2 Pistol: any opinions?


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Msg. 270862  Posted by zbillster on August 02, 2000 at 01:07:34:

Anyone have any hands-on experience with this CO2 pistol imported from EEA? See link below for product. Looks ugly but interesting and inexpensive.

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Chrono


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Msg. 270861  Posted by James Kitching on August 02, 2000 at 01:00:21:

In Reply to: Re: MIT MK IV stuff - Thanks - That sounds like a good plan. posted by Jim P on August 01, 2000 at 23:01:07:

Got one coming, hope it works with pellets ok.
I have not taken this gun apart yet, but it must have a huge valve to dump as much gas per shot as it does.

I think efficiency might increase by decreasing the mass of some parts in there.

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Small Club indeed -- heheh...


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Msg. 270860  Posted by Greg Fischer on August 02, 2000 at 00:56:07:

In Reply to: Re: Eh? Start a little club; call ourselves the posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:00:15:

I dunno Russ, as a group, airgunners seem to like to keep their drawers on, for the most part. The 10 meter Nude Olympic Airgun Competition dint draw many comers (so to speak)... in fact, you were the only one who entered more than once!!! heehee...!!! Your realistic glow-in-the-dark dash board statuette/trophy will be on its way shortly. http://www.execpc.com/~katfisch/NUDEAIR.HTM

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Re: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me


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Msg. 270859  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on August 02, 2000 at 00:53:51:

In Reply to: Re: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 22:18:23:

_working_ model of nuke?!! Xa-Xa-Xa!!!
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Re: Need HELP!!!


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Msg. 270858  Posted by Greg on August 02, 2000 at 00:49:40:

In Reply to: Re: Need HELP!!! posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:39:06:

For the lazer

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Re: Type of pellet


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Msg. 270855  Posted by Greg on August 02, 2000 at 00:45:55:

In Reply to: Re: Type of pellet posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:44:11:

Thanks
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Re: What causes the valve to flutter on a co2/pcp gun when fired? NT


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Msg. 270854  Posted by Mike T on August 02, 2000 at 00:44:40:

In Reply to: Re: What causes the valve to flutter on a co2/pcp gun when fired? NT posted by doug on August 01, 2000 at 22:00:34:


Doug,
Interestingly my Farco is the gun I am talking about. Is your Farco modified or stock? Thanks
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Re: Type of pellet


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Msg. 270853  Posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:44:11:

In Reply to: Re: Type of pellet posted by Greg on August 02, 2000 at 00:42:50:

Don't bother with hollowpoints in an air pistol. Not enough power to get effective expansion in pests. RB
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Re: High Tech Airguns


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Msg. 270852  Posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:42:58:

In Reply to: Re: High Tech Airguns posted by daniel paez on August 01, 2000 at 23:15:03:

Surf the Airgun Resources section of this forums homepage- The Airgun Letter- if you're looking to buy. RB
PS- turn off the CAPSLOCK- it's the internet equivalent of shouting.
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Re: Type of pellet


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Msg. 270851  Posted by Greg on August 02, 2000 at 00:42:50:

In Reply to: Type of pellet posted by Greg on August 02, 2000 at 00:38:25:

Sorry air pistol

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Re: I'm looking for the gentleman that posts here as the " Duke " .


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Msg. 270849  Posted by Mike T on August 02, 2000 at 00:41:20:

In Reply to: I'm looking for the gentleman that posts here as the " Duke " . posted by Mike T on August 01, 2000 at 21:29:02:


Thanks, but I already have a Farco.
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Re: Type of pellet


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Msg. 270848  Posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:40:32:

In Reply to: Type of pellet posted by Greg on August 02, 2000 at 00:38:25:

A high powered Beretta air rifle? RB
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Re: Need HELP!!!


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Msg. 270847  Posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:39:06:

In Reply to: Need HELP!!! posted by Mike on August 02, 2000 at 00:36:16:

Contact either Mac-1 Airguns or Daves Airgun Service. You may also want to check out Precison Pellet.
Mac-1 is in California
Dave's is in AZ.
Precision Pellet is in PA. RB
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Type of pellet


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Msg. 270846  Posted by Greg on August 02, 2000 at 00:38:25:

Any airgunners out there no if those crow magnum hollow points are any good for pest control with a high powered rifle?.Wondering to what type of pellet would be good for plinking,I have a beretta made by beretta. Thanks
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Msg. 270845  Posted by Mike on August 02, 2000 at 00:36:16:

I am trying to restore my dads old benjamin but having problems finding re-build kit please help.

Thanks Mike
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assuming the MV is correct, using 14.3 Premiers= a wild guess


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Msg. 270844  Posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:32:48:

In Reply to: Re: Russ: 711fps at muzzle and 695fps at 50 yds. ballistic coefficient = ? posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:11:00:

I;m gonna provide a wild guess here just to give you SOMETHING to work with. I see the BC as being in the 0.24/0.25 range. RB
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Msg. 270843  Posted by Greg on August 02, 2000 at 00:27:01:

I Just purchased the 92 air pistol by beretta.Does anyone out there no if these lazer sights are good for target practice and if so which make of lazer. Thanks
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Re: Aeron Guns


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Msg. 270842  Posted by Ron Y on August 02, 2000 at 00:19:06:

In Reply to: Aeron Guns posted by Jody Fite on August 01, 2000 at 18:57:32:

B-96, more fun then a barrel of monkey. Top quality. Deadly accurate, its even making me shoot better. If only I could slow down. I like the rapid fire too much! I get 70+ shots from a 12g caplet. And the price and service from European Air Pistols was the best.
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Msg. 270841  Posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:16:35:

In Reply to: Re: russ hows the math done? posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 21:13:43:

nt
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Re: Webley Vulcan


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Msg. 270840  Posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:15:07:

In Reply to: Re: Webley Vulcan posted by jcbii on August 01, 2000 at 23:27:31:

That sounds about right. I've never seen a stock Vulcan exceed 13,5 ft lbs. Russ
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Re: RWS 34 Trigger adjust


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Msg. 270839  Posted by RonF on August 02, 2000 at 00:12:26:

In Reply to: Re: RWS 34 Trigger adjust posted by tcross on August 01, 2000 at 09:56:13:

where did you find the spring?? Possible
gunshop friend may have one..
Ron
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Re: Russ: 711fps at muzzle and 695fps at 50 yds. ballistic coefficient = ?


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Msg. 270838  Posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:11:00:

In Reply to: Russ: 711fps at muzzle and 695fps at 50 yds. ballistic coefficient = ? posted by Jim G. on August 01, 2000 at 23:42:04:

Jim: that doesn't sound right! Only a 16fps loss over 50 yards? No way. RB
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Read, but this is not a paintball board


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Msg. 270837  Posted by James Kitching on August 02, 2000 at 00:06:07:

In Reply to: Paintballers please read! posted by Bob on August 01, 2000 at 23:59:45:

They are not very good, I have ssen them crack and come apart, they are not accurate and yes it is a pain to use 12 gram with paintball.
email me, I will tell you some better guns, they do cost more, but will last a long time and work right and hit things.

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Re: Outside barrel band for QD swivels


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Msg. 270836  Posted by RBest on August 02, 2000 at 00:05:42:

In Reply to: Re: Outside berrel band for QD swivels posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 22:33:07:

BSA barrels are a different diameter than HW barrels. If I remember correctly, HW-s are 0.629 diameter while BSA's are 0.610". I know the Uncle Mikes brand are adjustable and should fit both barrels. I wonder if the Beeman ones are made by Uncle Mike? RB
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Re: Rebuilding Dad’s Old Crosman 140-LONG


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Msg. 270835  Posted by mike on August 02, 2000 at 00:04:46:

In Reply to: Rebuilding Dad’s Old Crosman 140-LONG posted by Bob LeDoux on August 01, 2000 at 22:06:08:

I am trying to restore my dads old benjamin air rifle but having problems finding a rebuild kit. Please help if you known where I can look for info please let me know.
Thanks Mike.
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Paintballers please read!


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Msg. 270834  Posted by Bob on August 01, 2000 at 23:59:45:

Is a Kmart Brass eagle paint gun good for casual games? is it a pain to refill all the time? ( I know some run on 12gr co2) Im thinking about buying a talon or something of the like, but I dont want to waste my hard earned $. any opinions or facts (preffereably the latter) would be greatly appreciate. thanks in advance

cheers,

~BOB
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very cool (found the Theoben gas spring)


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Msg. 270833  Posted by Tom L. on August 01, 2000 at 23:48:05:

In Reply to: " How in the world can a [ moderator] work? + What causes a sonic boom? " [urls] posted by Baffled on August 01, 2000 at 21:44:54:

If any one is interested heres the url
http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US05193517__

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Russ: 711fps at muzzle and 695fps at 50 yds. ballistic coefficient = ?


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Msg. 270832  Posted by Jim G. on August 01, 2000 at 23:42:04:

In Reply to: Re: What is the ballictic coefficient of a 22 cal CP?... (n.t.) posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:39:45:


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Blame the media!! Read My Opinion


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Msg. 270831  Posted by Ted on August 01, 2000 at 23:41:57:

In Reply to: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:32:02:

Blame the media for helping sensationalize bad things, they dont realize that they are feeding the government more reasons to incorporate more control, it is a vicious circle.

The million mom morch is in violation of Federal Tax Law, they are lobbying for new laws but are tax exempt as a NON PROFIT. Any organization lobbiing congress cannot recieve NON PROFIT status, or any help from the government. The NRA is not tax exempt

They preach of better education, especialy history, and forget that this country is free because the Citizens were armed.

Time and time again through history Governemts have been put in power and as they take more and more from the people the people get madder and madder and eventually there will be revolution. But they are to stupid (or maybe they see it comeing and are trying to prevent it) to see what is happening.

Eventually they will get to the liberals rights and they will have no one to defend them. The govenment will take more and more, inch by inch. And they never give any back. At this point in time police can stop you in your vehicle at anytime with no reason.
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Re: Webley Vulcan


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Msg. 270830  Posted by jcbii on August 01, 2000 at 23:27:31:

In Reply to: Re: Webley Vulcan posted by Sammy on August 01, 2000 at 15:55:13:

Sammy,

I don't mind your asking at all. Unfortunately, I don't have a chrono yet, so haven't been able to do any calculations. Pyramid Air advertises 14.4gr pellet at 660fps for 13.9ftlbs.

BTW, I plan to get a chrono in next month so will post findings when I do.

regards,
jcbii
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Pellet lube...


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Msg. 270829  Posted by Penn on August 01, 2000 at 23:26:21:

In Reply to: Re: Allow me... FP10, lubing pellets posted by Mike on August 01, 2000 at 21:35:49:

I have only heard here from a few about the FP10 / seal swell issue. I know nothing of it personally. The MAN recommended it, and I bought it from him at the same time as I bought the gun. When I buy a new tin of pellets, I merely put a few drops in the lid, place the lid back on the tin, and gently roll the tin at various angles so that all pellets will eventually come into contact with the lube.

CO2 is a cold gas, and the potential for condensation and subsequent rust is the reason behind lubing pellets in CO2 guns. Some of this lube will eventually work it's way to vital areas as you shoot, and hopefully eliminate any potential for rust.

Please correct me if I am wrong here, people. A few have explained this on the forum, and it sounded logical.

Good day,
Penn
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Re: Things an airgun hunter needs


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Msg. 270828  Posted by DANIEL PAEZ on August 01, 2000 at 23:18:25:

In Reply to: Things an airgun hunter needs posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 12:22:36:

OK INEED INFORMATION

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Re: High Tech Airguns


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Msg. 270826  Posted by daniel paez on August 01, 2000 at 23:15:03:

In Reply to: High Tech Airguns posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 20:02:57:

I WANT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT AIR PISTOL AND RIFLE IN NEW YORK
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And a scope railing hanging off the front of the block for a shotgun scope. (NT)


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Msg. 270825  Posted by Jeff Guinan on August 01, 2000 at 23:14:05:

In Reply to: Had Mac-1 put a .22 barrel on mine and valve work for velocity. (NT) posted by Jeff Guinan on August 01, 2000 at 23:11:46:


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Had Mac-1 put a .22 barrel on mine and valve work for velocity. (NT)


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Msg. 270824  Posted by Jeff Guinan on August 01, 2000 at 23:11:46:

In Reply to: Has anyone made any recent mods to a QB-1? nt posted by Nik on August 01, 2000 at 16:45:07:


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Re: Aeron Guns


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Msg. 270823  Posted by Phillip Reedy on August 01, 2000 at 23:09:05:

In Reply to: Aeron Guns posted by Jody Fite on August 01, 2000 at 18:57:32:

Jody,

See my reply to your posting on the Pilkguns site.

regards,
Phil Reedy
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Quackenbush .375 Brigand - 76 ft/lbs on CO2


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Msg. 270822  Posted by R Yost in St Louis on August 01, 2000 at 23:04:55:

In Reply to: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 09:08:51:

Not really a production gun, probably less than 100 made so far. Not all these guns are set up the same, some that were set up for PCP air have a smaller valve.
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Msg. 270821  Posted by Tony Clifton on August 01, 2000 at 23:03:47:

In Reply to: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:32:02:

the ISP YOU pay for blocks you from visiting certain "objectionable" or "inappropriate" sites.
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Re: Airguns and Turkeys?!


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Msg. 270820  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 01, 2000 at 23:02:29:

In Reply to: Re: Airguns and Turkeys?! posted by RGunn on August 01, 2000 at 18:29:53:


Randy, in the very first edition of the American Airgunner, there was a Michigan airgunner (the best kind there is of course) who went down to Tennessee and shot one on a game preserve with an R-1 using a Silver Jet at 30 yards. His guides were skeptical at first but when he shot, there was a LOUD whack and the turkey (a big gobbler BTW) simply dropped. The guides mentioned that a 12 gauge 3" magnum couldn't have killed that gobbler any faster than that "itsy-bitsy bb gun" they kidded him about! Pellet exited the skull too. ----- Mr.P
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Msg. 270819  Posted by Jim P on August 01, 2000 at 23:01:07:

In Reply to: Re: MIT MK IV stuff - Thanks - And how are you getting the CO2 in? posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 13:52:51:

James,

Thanks for the info.

That sounds like a good plan to get the CO2 in.

It seemed to me that putting it in the lower tube was the way to go also.

Waiting for the Crony data - may be a contender for the "most powerful CO2" Thread. 'Cause it has a pretty long barrel and a big valve.

Thanks again.

Jim P.
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Re: Thanks that a nice site. NT


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Msg. 270818  Posted by jr99 on August 01, 2000 at 22:53:59:

In Reply to: " How in the world can a [ moderator] work? + What causes a sonic boom? " [urls] posted by Baffled on August 01, 2000 at 21:44:54:


AlohaJohn
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Sounds like the ranting of a mad(angry)man


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Msg. 270817  Posted by chris on August 01, 2000 at 22:33:42:

In Reply to: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:32:02:

Good luck with your new ISP. But if it's free then
you really have no choice but to get your own.
Happy Shooting
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Re: Outside berrel band for QD swivels


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Msg. 270816  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 22:33:07:

In Reply to: Outside berrel band for QD swivels posted by Ira on August 01, 2000 at 22:27:36:

its helpful if you have the OD of the barrel for the right size. should work just fine putting the screw in the stock is the hard part..if you arent sure of the OD and Beeman has sizes for models like R1 and R9 id pick the R9 ..but thats a guess
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Re: Stupid (?) scope question...try this...


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Msg. 270815  Posted by Chris on August 01, 2000 at 22:30:21:

In Reply to: Re: Stupid (?) scope question...try this... posted by Steve B. on August 01, 2000 at 16:00:38:

That's the first thing I tried.
Thanks
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Msg. 270814  Posted by Ira on August 01, 2000 at 22:27:36:

I was just at the Beeman web site and noticed that they sold these. Would they fit on my .177 supersport.


Thanks Ira
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Re: guess i twitched sorry about the double post NT


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Msg. 270813  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 22:27:00:

In Reply to: I'm looking for the gentleman that posts here as the " Duke " . posted by Mike T on August 01, 2000 at 21:29:02:


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Msg. 270812  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 22:25:47:

In Reply to: I'm looking for the gentleman that posts here as the " Duke " . posted by Mike T on August 01, 2000 at 21:29:02:

ARS sells one type click the link

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Msg. 270811  Posted by Doug Law on August 01, 2000 at 22:24:45:

In Reply to: Scope Suggestions for QB78-22 posted by TinkerMan on August 01, 2000 at 22:18:45:

Sir, I have a QB77 in .177 that I just love and I have good luck with the super short Leaper six poswer AO scope. Just make sure it ahas adjustable objective and is not one of the easier to find fixed objective scope. I hope that helps.

Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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Msg. 270810  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 22:21:25:

In Reply to: I'm looking for the gentleman that posts here as the " Duke " . posted by Mike T on August 01, 2000 at 21:29:02:

ARS sells one type click the link

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Almost Everything


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Msg. 270809  Posted by Happy Gardener on August 01, 2000 at 22:20:53:

In Reply to: Re: Coming to " Nawlins " posted by ben on August 01, 2000 at 19:17:38:

There are sex shops on Burbon Street that are a must see. The Hurricane drink is not to be missed. Get some beads to toss to flashing gals and enjoy public drinking at its best.
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Re: Pellets for SM


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Msg. 270808  Posted by Dr.J. on August 01, 2000 at 22:19:20:

In Reply to: Pellets for SM posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 12:48:19:

I just took out my SM-1000 with only 50 pellets through it and fired a group at 10 m from an informal rest. I used Chinese 500 mg match pellets (blue label)from Compasseco and 5 shots went in two holes, 0.35 in apart. Three went through the same exact hole. Given that I used the stock open sights and have aging eyes, I think these pellets have potential in the SM. Dr.J.
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Msg. 270807  Posted by TinkerMan on August 01, 2000 at 22:18:45:

I've enjoyed a Crosman 160 and just received a QB78-22 for friends to shoot with me (so I don't have to share my 160). The 160 has a peep sight and is extremely accurate.

The QB78-22 has open sights and is not very accurate (at least when I am shooting it). I've tried to adjust the sights but without much luck. The QB78 is grooved for a scope and I'd like to add one.

I'd like to spend less than $75.00 on a scope. Most shooting will be in the 10-25 yard range.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.
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Msg. 270806  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 22:18:23:

In Reply to: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:32:02:

wonder if the ACLU would take on a free speech issue ..you are an adult..talking about this stuff isnt against the law..doesnt stomp on anyones rights to talk about it or look up info. when the net was first in the public eye in the late 80s a highschool kid made a working model of a nuke from info he got on the net. now theres a prob their. but this is more knee jurk stuff
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Re: Gamo


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Msg. 270805  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 22:17:28:

In Reply to: Gamo posted by Pepi on August 01, 2000 at 21:42:30:

They are mechanically the same. Decent intro gun, but if you have less than $200 to spend, please check out the BSA Supersport. It's an all around better built airgun. RB
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Re: This gives a whole new meaning to the word " warble " (but great info)! (nt)


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Msg. 270804  Posted by AC on August 01, 2000 at 22:15:07:

In Reply to: here is you answer posted by jason on August 01, 2000 at 02:38:32:


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Msg. 270803  Posted by Bob LeDoux on August 01, 2000 at 22:06:08:

My mother finally parted with the old air rifle. I was disappointed for I wanted to restore it to new factory look. But the stock was chipped, dented, and badly worn. The barrel and pump tube were badly rusted. It looked like not worth the effort. But it had sentimental value. I decided to put it back into new condition, but not original factory finish.

I completely disassembled the rifle per D.T. Fletcher’s manual, and ordered a rebuild kit from Precision Pellet for $13. The only disassembly challenge was getting the oiler felt and pump seal off the pump rod. A bit of propane torch and a punch separated the pieces.

The stock was sanded bare with a palm sander, starting with 100 grit, then to 180 and 220. Surprize! Under that faux walnut finish was a very nice piece of wood with a fair amount of figure. It appears like oak or perhaps ash. The grain was fairly closed. I didn’t want to use a dark stain for fear of uneven finish so I applied two coats of Minwax Antique Maple Gel Stain, per instructions. Final finish was Minwax Fast Drying Polyurethane. It looks great.

Its hard to justify the cost of a good blue job on a rifle like this. So I decided to try Brownells Baking Lacquer. The results were excellent. I used a matte black color, part number 083-046-801.

I started by sanding off all the rust and finish on the steel parts. My series was 220 followed by 320 silicon carbide paper. A wash of lacquer thinner preceded spraying. I applied two coats, about 30 minutes apart. After about 30 minutes I then baked the parts in a 300 degree oven for 30 minutes, as instructed. Parts came out hard, and with a great finish.

The contrast between the black parts and oak finish is striking.

This process was low cost, minimal effort with good looking results. The finish isn’t the same as original factory, but I did avoid the three figure cost of a re-blue job on a fairly common aging airgun.

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Msg. 270802  Posted by Dr.J. on August 01, 2000 at 22:05:42:

In Reply to: Re: any thought about Beeman R9 please posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 19:02:42:

Thanks, Russ. Dr.J.
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Re: What causes the valve to flutter on a co2/pcp gun when fired? NT


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Msg. 270801  Posted by Matt Donovan on August 01, 2000 at 22:02:33:

In Reply to: What causes the valve to flutter on a co2/pcp gun when fired? NT posted by Mike T on August 01, 2000 at 21:16:36:

Mike,
I don't know about PCPs but, the valves in all my bulk-filled CO2 guns flutter when the liquid is gone and the pressure is down.
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Re: What causes the valve to flutter on a co2/pcp gun when fired? NT


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Msg. 270800  Posted by doug on August 01, 2000 at 22:00:34:

In Reply to: What causes the valve to flutter on a co2/pcp gun when fired? NT posted by Mike T on August 01, 2000 at 21:16:36:

usually not enough pressure, my farco flutters sometimes when its low on C02.

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Re: Range Finders


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Msg. 270799  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 22:00:10:

In Reply to: Range Finders posted by Quack on August 01, 2000 at 21:45:27:

if the AO is very good and you have replaced the numbers, by taping and writing your own on the AO like most FT shooters. i see no need for one..you can pay as little as $40 for a bow or simple range finder that works to 75 yrds. if you are going to pay $225-$400 for anything, it should be for a better high powered scope. 18x power or up. these high powered scopes, work better for ranging then a 12x or less
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Re: Diana 35 trigger adjust...?


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Msg. 270797  Posted by Driskill on August 01, 2000 at 21:57:26:

In Reply to: Diana 35 trigger adjust...? posted by DJ_PAL on August 01, 2000 at 20:02:19:


There should be two screws in the trigger blade.

The rear screw is the actual adjustment; the front one merely locks the rear into place.

The adjuster screw is long, and its end acts as a fulcrum for the trigger lever. It controls the point of transition from the light first stage, to the heavier second stage, of the trigger pull. You CANNOT adjust the pull weight directly.

So the procedure is loosen the front screw, position the rear screw to taste, and re-tighten the front.

If your trigger already has a short second stage with a crisp release--DON'T MESS WITH IT. You can only make things worse!
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Msg. 270796  Posted by Gary on August 01, 2000 at 21:49:22:

In Reply to: copied from another air gun forum..... this grieves me posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:32:02:

Did the same thing to me.

Gary
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Range Finders


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Msg. 270795  Posted by Quack on August 01, 2000 at 21:45:27:

I was wondering about your guy's opinions on the use of range finders in the field. I know that there are optical ones available for bow hunters. There are also laser versions that seem to be easier to use. I am wondering if it is worth the extra money to get the laser one at $225. The optical one was going for $89. I've tried using my parralax adjustment on my Proair scope, but I really don't see much difference past 20 yds. Thanks for your support. Later
Paul in MI
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Msg. 270794  Posted by Baffled on August 01, 2000 at 21:44:54:


follow the links



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Gamo


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Msg. 270792  Posted by Pepi on August 01, 2000 at 21:42:30:

Are Gamo Models 440 and 220 any good?

Thanks
Pepi
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ROFL -NT-


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Msg. 270791  Posted by MarkD on August 01, 2000 at 21:42:24:

In Reply to: Re: Unc, surely your old enough to recall the Civil War? posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 20:09:21:

nt
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Msg. 270790  Posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:40:37:

In Reply to: What is the best scope mounts to use on a Career 707 posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 01, 2000 at 15:18:03:

wayne. email me about teh CMO this weekend

thom
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Marty I back you 100% on this, mine work great with trophy 4x12 -NT


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Msg. 270789  Posted by MarkD on August 01, 2000 at 21:38:48:

In Reply to: Re: What is the best scope mounts to use on a Career 707 posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:28:52:

nt
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Msg. 270788  Posted by Mike on August 01, 2000 at 21:35:49:

In Reply to: Re: Allow me... FP10, lubing pellets posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 21:27:10:

Ok, thanks! But one question... what does this do for performance? Reduce friction in the barrel and increase velocity? Anything else?

Thanks again!

Mike

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Msg. 270787  Posted by MarkD on August 01, 2000 at 21:34:56:

In Reply to: Talk about dejavu!!! posted by RGunn on August 01, 2000 at 18:40:50:

NT
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Msg. 270786  Posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 21:32:02:

Thank God I can get here!!! My ISP, our area-wide Educational Support Unit, for teachers,(myself!) has decided that they must filter "offensive content"!! This includes ALL references to that horrible nasty word GUNS!!!!!! I cannot even get to Straight Shooters site!!!! The NRA is blocked!!! Our ISP board is run by liberal, urban teachers who are so afraid of "Columbine" that it is sickening!!! I go hunting with my students during pheasant season, and if you visit the parking lot of our rural school, you will find enough weaponry to outfit a small nation!!! But we are taught to responsibly use firearms and are NOT URBAN LIBERALS!!!!

When I bought my new Ruger .22 rifle, a woman and man, IN THE SPORTINGS GOODS STORE ITSELF went ballistic, (sorry, that's a "banned word" to my ISP!!) and verbally accosted me for continuing the atmosphere that promoted the shootings at Columbine HS. They are lucky to be alive!! Not from me, but a lot of sportsmen in the store, (Cabelas) nearly lynched them right there!!!!

Watch out!! the liberals are coming and censoring our right to even TALK about guns and shooting sports!!!!

Fortunately, there is another ISP with our phone company that I will be on in a week. Maybe then I can actually order those horrible, deadly Meisterkugeln pellets!!!!!!

Mad?! Yes I am. Even though the ISP was provided as a benefit, I don't think it is necessary for the "englightened ones" to tell us rural hicks what we can think or say. If one of those liberals was in my classroom the day that one of my students brought in his brand new Beretta shotgun in (after school!) then they would have gone ape!!! He stopped in on the way to trap-shoot team practice to show me this expensive and highly prized possesion. Not to blow away his classmates!! But tell THAT to a liberal!!!!

Yeah i'm done, sorry to ramble on, but even here in ultra remote rural nebraska, the liberal, crybaby antigun, anti-everything that they don't like liberals have struck!!!!

thanks for listening.


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Msg. 270785  Posted by Mike T on August 01, 2000 at 21:29:02:

Duke,
I think it was you that posted here once, stating that you had a double barreled 20 guage airshotgun. If you own this gun would you please e-mail me with some info about it (i.e. brand, power, power source, are they still being made?). I am a airshotgun guru and this gun is very intriuging to me. Thanks!
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Msg. 270784  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 21:27:10:

In Reply to: Re: Allow me... FP10, lubing pellets posted by Mike on August 01, 2000 at 19:18:19:

Mike, a little goes a long way. everyone has "ther way' of lubing pellets one way is to dampen a paper towl with lube poor the pellets on the towel and roll them around on it.
btw people say FP-10 can swell seals so dont over done the lube. if you can find Slick 50, lube 1 it works well on pcp & co2 as well ..i hear airguns express has FP-10
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Msg. 270783  Posted by Mike T on August 01, 2000 at 21:16:36:

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Msg. 270781  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 21:13:43:

In Reply to: Re: What is the ballictic coefficient of a 22 cal CP?... (n.t.) posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:39:45:

Russ if you have those numbers hows the math done
say CPs 14.3 gr speed at muzzle is 900fps at 50yrds its 750fps how is the math done from their those number i just pulled out of the air btw
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Msg. 270780  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:49:58:

In Reply to: Re: Scope/mount combo and muzzle breaks posted by Ira on August 01, 2000 at 20:48:17:

Go to this forums homepage The Airgun Letter. Click on the Airgun Resources or Weblinks boxes. They'll take you wherever you want to go in "airgunland". RB
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Msg. 270779  Posted by Ira on August 01, 2000 at 20:48:17:

In Reply to: Re: Scope/mount combo and muzzle breaks posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:43:46:

thanks Russ but how can I contact them I tried a search and nothing came up.

Thanks,
Russ
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Msg. 270778  Posted by Doug Law on August 01, 2000 at 20:43:56:

In Reply to: Aeron Guns posted by Jody Fite on August 01, 2000 at 18:57:32:

Yes I have had several Aeron air guns including two Tau 7's. High quality, more accurate than I can hold and no complaints.
I shot a friends B-96 which is lovely, perhaps not as accurate as a $1200 FWB or Steyr but consider the price difference. I think the B-96 is great, very accurate and above all very, fvery fun to empty the magazine quickly. Read GAylords comments on the Chameleon in Airgun Letter-He is strong on the pistol-a single shot version of the B-96.

No complaints with Aeron from me!

Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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Msg. 270777  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:43:46:

In Reply to: Scope/mount combo and muzzle breaks posted by Ira on August 01, 2000 at 20:37:56:

Try Golden Toller Guns and Natches Shooters Supply for prices. Both will probably be below $70 for the 79-0039 Sportview. RB
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Msg. 270776  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:39:45:

In Reply to: What is the ballictic coefficient of a 22 cal CP?... (n.t.) posted by Jim G. on August 01, 2000 at 20:21:06:

Jim: you need to know the muzzle velocity and the velocity at a known distance downrange. The BC can then be calculated. RB
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Msg. 270775  Posted by Ira on August 01, 2000 at 20:37:56:

I am going to purchase a Bushnell 3+9+32 and Bsquare 10060 mounts for my supersport. Where can I get the scope and whats the cheapest I can get it for. I also was going to order the beeman universal muzzle break for my supersport. Is this going to work well with that gun.


Thanks for the help it is really apreciated
Ira
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Msg. 270773  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:20:49:

In Reply to: High Tech Airguns posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 20:02:57:

The chamber is built into the barrel. RB
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Msg. 270772  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 20:20:33:

In Reply to: Update on .20 cal. POI posted by Doug H. on August 01, 2000 at 20:05:31:

Doug thats a given..if they seem to tight get some finishline dry ..Mac1\tim might be selling it now..if not he will be soon
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Msg. 270771  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:18:45:

In Reply to: Update on .20 cal. POI posted by Doug H. on August 01, 2000 at 20:05:31:

If you have a tight bore .20 (not unusual for HW), I recommend Beeman FTS or H&N FTT Smooths. MUCH better velocity and trajectory. The tight premiers are way too slow and cause spring bounce. RB
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Msg. 270769  Posted by Stocky on August 01, 2000 at 20:10:58:

In Reply to: PCP posted by pritam on July 31, 2000 at 18:35:17:

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Msg. 270767  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 20:09:21:

In Reply to: Unc, surely your old enough to recall the Civil War? posted by Willey M on August 01, 2000 at 18:10:11:

thought there\thier was a "h" in whimp err wimp..err oh well such is life..maybe i should cover my bases and add extra words like earth/soil..may turn into SCtv redundint theator ;)
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Msg. 270766  Posted by Doug H. on August 01, 2000 at 20:05:31:

Hello fellow Airgunners!

Got to do some shooting at 40 yards today and I
found that the Premiers were again hitting point of aim or up to 1 inch higher.

This was with no adjustment to my scope.

The Kodiaks were similar but not as good of groups
at that range.

I do notice that the cp's are the tightest to put into the barrel (R9) and the other pellets are a bit looser to a lot looser than the cp's.

And group-wise I had several that were dime size at that distance with the cp's only.

Some of the other pellets were hitting 4-6 inches low and printing fairly large groups.

The pellets from best to worse were:
cp 14.3gr, kodiaks, ramjets, silverjets,
copperheads, silverbears, and just for kicks some old Benjamin flying trash cans.

Guess this leaves one conclusion from all the pellets I have shot so far, go with the cp's!!!!

Thanks for your input gentlemen, Doug H.

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Msg. 270765  Posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 20:02:57:

When you guys update your own guns and put a different barrel on them how do you do that. Mr.Bulk and his 2240 how do you put a different barrel on that gun and when people take that gun and make a .25 caliber how do you get the chamber that big?
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Msg. 270764  Posted by DJ_PAL on August 01, 2000 at 20:02:19:

Hello !

Do someone knows how I can adjust my Diana 35 trigger ? I have to press for more than 1.5 kilograms before the gun shoots... The trigger has only one screw, but I don't know if it is customisable or not (is it for crewing the trigger to the spring or what ?)

Thanks a lot !



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Msg. 270763  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 20:01:56:

In Reply to: Headless Turkeys... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 18:55:21:

marty, umm i dont want to say yer wrong. but, i was on c&r specialtys website that has a link to the Mo hunting& recs site. and on one of the pages there is definitions of stuff,and it says gun or firearms include guns that fire pellets using springs or gas..so in some respect it may not be against the law. now taurkey hunting derrectly may say only may be taken with shotgun..so im not sure about that
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Msg. 270762  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 20:00:15:

In Reply to: Eh? Start a little club; call ourselves the posted by Harvey on August 01, 2000 at 01:46:47:

Harvey: can you imagine a meeting or get together? Maybe have a Streakers convention in Vegas? LOL RB
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Msg. 270761  Posted by Cody Dotter on August 01, 2000 at 19:58:34:

In Reply to: Gamo Hunter 440 in .22 cal. posted by Cody Dotter on July 30, 2000 at 10:31:10:

What does 'fpe' mean??? Foot Pound Energy? How
much would a Gamo Hunter 440 in .22 cal. have? If
it means Foot Pounds of energy would 5.6 fpe be
enuogh to kill crows? What about squirrels? If not
how much is requried to kill squirrels and crows?
If not I'm determined to buy a Gamo Hunter 440 in
.22 cal.. And the 5.6 fpe gun is a Daisy 880 with
a 3-7 power scope. It is really crappy sometimes.
The barrel flexes. One shot it's dead on. Next
shot it can't hit a 1 gallon milk jug at 10 yards.
It works O.K. with open sights but can't shoot
far. Please give answers. THANXS!!!
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Msg. 270760  Posted by MR Bulk™ on August 01, 2000 at 19:57:52:

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Msg. 270759  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 19:57:38:

In Reply to: Re: Steel BBs and rifled barrels posted by Bill on August 01, 2000 at 18:49:56:

The copper coating is quite thin. RB
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Msg. 270758  Posted by Charlie on August 01, 2000 at 19:57:22:

In Reply to: What is the best scope mounts to use on a Career 707 posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 01, 2000 at 15:18:03:

My Career scope mount is skewed with respect to the barrel. Enough
so that it is obvious with the naked eye. I wound up going with one of
the B-Square single piece mounts that have adjustments for windage and
elevation.

Charlie

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Msg. 270757  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 19:53:39:

In Reply to: Re: Steel BBs and rifled barrels posted by Bill on August 01, 2000 at 18:49:56:

buck shot in a rifled barrel..would you do that?
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Msg. 270756  Posted by AIRPOWER on August 01, 2000 at 19:36:19:

In Reply to: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 09:08:51:

James,
The most powerful Co2 air Rifle I have ever owned is an LD 20ga. shotgun I converted to .45cal.
I get any where from 600 to 750 fps depending on
pellet weight and ambient air temp. I will be converting a 20ga. Valiente to 50cal. in the near future.

BOB
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Msg. 270755  Posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 19:35:23:

In Reply to: Re: Airguns and Turkeys?! posted by jr99 on August 01, 2000 at 17:55:15:

I take head shots on everything I shoot with my airgun and I was just ananlyzing the statics before I actually did. Thanks for your help I will let you know in the fall.
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Msg. 270754  Posted by Mike on August 01, 2000 at 19:18:19:

In Reply to: Allow me... posted by Penn on August 01, 2000 at 13:36:23:

Does lubing pellets really make a difference? Is FP10
readily available at sporting goods places? Can you overdo
lubing pellets (for a 2250, I mean)?

Thanks,
Mike

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Msg. 270753  Posted by ben on August 01, 2000 at 19:17:38:

In Reply to: Coming to " Nawlins " posted by chieftd on August 01, 2000 at 14:59:53:

I can't remember any airgun shops besides Tenring in Covington (north of the lake), but that fella passed on some time back. I believe DosGris said that on Delphi.

Not much to do but drink & eat down there. ;)

I recommend New Orleans Hamburger & Seafood Company on Veteran's Blvd, close to the airport. Good pizza is at Brick Oven at Williams Blvd south of I-10...by the airport too. Don't drink the watered down Hurricanes at Pat O'Brian's (unless you really want the cool touristy glass). Better can be had around the corner...

Speaking of the French Quarter, if it looks like a chick, it ain't necessarily so. Wallet in the front pocket & eyes in the back of your head are a must. Stay off the side streets & away from the cemetaries (unless you are on a guided tour). I don't know about the casinos, other than Harrah's moved away from the housing project that was near where I worked back in the day.

One more thing, if you get shot, stabbed or in a car wreck, Charity Hospital has the best trauma care. If you break a bone or something, go _anywhere_ else.

Well now, that just about covers everything one needs to know about a trip to the city. :)

Take care & have fun.

...ben
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Msg. 270752  Posted by karl on August 01, 2000 at 19:16:31:

In Reply to: looking for daisy collector posted by Jim W on August 01, 2000 at 18:25:17:

Jim:
I have a 118 too, but without the box or spinning targets. I don't know much about these guns, but I do know that having the box and spinning targets will certainly make it much more appealing and somewhat more valuable than mine. Just for your own reference, I paid $40 for mine at an antique store and its in very good shape. I also so one a few days ago on auctionarms.com for about $25. Good Luck to you, as I am sure that if you find a Dedicated Daisy collector, he or she will value your gun much higher!

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Msg. 270751  Posted by Mike on August 01, 2000 at 19:15:47:

In Reply to: My experience with 2250/Daisy pellets... posted by Penn on July 31, 2000 at 23:11:36:

Does lube make a big difference? Is FP10 readily available? I've never seen it at the
sporting goods place, and never really thought much of searching hard for it...

Mike

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Msg. 270750  Posted by Sam on August 01, 2000 at 19:07:41:

In Reply to: Re: Steel BBs and rifled barrels posted by Bill on August 01, 2000 at 18:49:56:

Some air rifle barrels made by crosman are a very soft steel and others are made of brass or with a brass lining. The steel BB will destroy the rifleing in the barrel. The rifleing isnt very deep, nothing compared to a firearm so a BB rattling down the barrel can beat it up pretty good.
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Msg. 270749  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 19:02:42:

In Reply to: Re: any thought about Beeman R9 please posted by Dr.J. on August 01, 2000 at 08:29:39:

DrJ: Both guns feature equal power and the accuracy is also a toss up. The SS is a bit lighter and handier, but the R-9 has one of the best triggers on a field gun. Both can be spring tuned, and the SS can also be converted to a Theoben ram. The choice is yours.... Russ Best
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Msg. 270748  Posted by Jody Fite on August 01, 2000 at 18:57:32:

Anyone with experience with the Aeron B-96 or Chameleon? Are you satisified with the products and would you recommend them? Best place to purchase these guns? Other recommendations? I,m a new to 10M pistol and all info is greatly appreciated!
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Msg. 270747  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 18:55:21:

In Reply to: Airguns and Turkeys?! posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 17:30:55:

I just betcha that my Career .25 would make a Turkey headless in short order. Specially with the Crow Mag pellet.

Unfortuentely while Missouri is very liberal in the full use of air rifles for hunting everything EXCEPT Turkeys and Deer, I will never find out. (sigh)

Oh well compared to some, I got it good. Legal to shoot in the back yard in town, and even hunt there.

Marty
SSSports

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Msg. 270746  Posted by Bill on August 01, 2000 at 18:49:56:

In Reply to: Re: Steel BBs and rifled barrels posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 17:00:21:

Im no expert but I dont think using copper coated steel BBs in a .177 barrel will harm it. The BB is .175 in diameter so it will pass down a .177 barrel with no problem. Copper is softer than steel so what harm can this cause?
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Msg. 270745  Posted by Steve B. on August 01, 2000 at 18:45:23:

In Reply to: Steel BBs and rifled barrels posted by Fred on August 01, 2000 at 16:44:22:

Fred: I wouldn't use steel BBs in a rifled barrel. Crosman would love to sell you a new one when you screw it up with steel BBs. The 1377 I have has a smooth bore so it wouldn't matter. Check yours out first.

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 270744  Posted by RGunn on August 01, 2000 at 18:40:50:

In Reply to: Airguns and Turkeys?! posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 17:30:55:

I swear to God all mighty this is true! Just seconds after I wrote the post below, my son came running up and told me to look in the backyard! I looked, and there sre three wild Turkeys in my backyard! Two adult hens, and one about half grown!

Matt, If I was a poacher, I could get you some first hand results as we speak! As I write this I am looking out the window at the turkeys! WOW. this is too weird!!!


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Msg. 270743  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 18:40:20:

In Reply to: RBest TX200HC posted by Bob Kelly on August 01, 2000 at 14:21:54:

Bob: always happy to help out airgun buds. Thank you! Russ
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Msg. 270742  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 18:36:23:

In Reply to: Once more into the breech posted by Tom Scheibe on August 01, 2000 at 15:38:11:

Tom: as Uncle Gary noted, I experienced a slight loss in accuracy and about a 10 fps gain in velocity. Bottom line= not worth the trouble. Russ Best
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Msg. 270741  Posted by Sloop on August 01, 2000 at 18:34:30:

In Reply to: What is the best scope mounts to use on a Career 707 posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 01, 2000 at 15:18:03:

Wayne:
Some Careers have a lot of barrel droop, at least mine did. I used the Burris signature high mounts, and then used the adjusting inserts to bring it right on.
Sloop
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Msg. 270740  Posted by RGunn on August 01, 2000 at 18:29:53:

In Reply to: Airguns and Turkeys?! posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 17:30:55:

Matt, Statistics are an interesting way to compare possible unknown outcomes of events. However, real life "doing" is the best way to achieve "real" results.

I have not taken a turkey with an airgun. But, I will bet you a dollar my 13.3fpe Super Sport will drop a turkey in it's tracks at thirty yards with the correct pellet placement.

John is totally correct, Pellet placement is the TOP consideration in this regard.

With that in mind, your focus should be on the accuracy of your turkey hunting airgun, and it's ease of use in the situation you will encounter when the turkey is in close. Just my opinion.
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Msg. 270739  Posted by Jim W on August 01, 2000 at 18:25:17:

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Msg. 270738  Posted by Stocky on August 01, 2000 at 18:24:34:

In Reply to: They are taunting me...... posted by JS on August 01, 2000 at 14:58:15:

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Msg. 270737  Posted by mARKd on August 01, 2000 at 18:22:48:

In Reply to: The new scopes have landed....matter of fact.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:24:50:

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Msg. 270736  Posted by Willey M on August 01, 2000 at 18:10:11:

In Reply to: Re: I think it's spelled " Wimps " , Willey!...... posted by Uncle Gary on August 01, 2000 at 17:53:14:

You mean to tell me you don't remember running out of musket balls? Go find that owl shit, boil it up and SHOOT! (made that up!) "I'm tougher than boiled owl shit!" was the end all proclamation by Bill Shuhart when the chips were down. All involved believed it to be true and left the vacinity.

Gonna hafta' check my Northest Nebraska dictionary on the "wimp" thing. (besides, I was just quoting Mike Boyle, and we all know he's dyslexic!)...Willey M
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Msg. 270735  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 01, 2000 at 18:08:59:

In Reply to: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 09:08:51:

I'm currently in the process of testing the Valiente CO2 rifle, made by Ricardo Valiente Arms Co. in the Phillipines. It is advertised as reaching 900 FPS in .22 caliber, but I feel this is a bit optimistic; so far chronographed velocities of 750 FPS with 14.3 grain pellets has been the rule. This amounts to 18 ft/lbs. of muzzle energy. It does seem to be more accurate and efficient with the heavier pellets like Kodiaks. Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 270734  Posted by MarkD on August 01, 2000 at 18:04:58:

In Reply to: Re: Yup another Career story posted by Marty Silver Streak on July 31, 2000 at 23:14:22:

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Msg. 270733  Posted by Bill Miller on August 01, 2000 at 17:56:05:

In Reply to: The new scopes have landed....matter of fact.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:24:50:

Marty,

Your Mom is in great hands. I heard you say your sister is R.N. there, so you know staff family is family. (Besides, this is the Midwest. We're all family!)

I work about 2 minutes and 43 seconds from KU Med. If I could, I'd love to buy you lunch at a "special" tavern that serves real good boiled shrimp.

A very dear old dentist friend of mine had heart anurism surgery last week. The old doc is doing fine and ornery' as ever. E me if you have time.

God bless you and your Mom,...Bill
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Msg. 270732  Posted by jr99 on August 01, 2000 at 17:55:15:

In Reply to: Airguns and Turkeys?! posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 17:30:55:


Thats very nice information
But (no offence) pellet placement should be one of the major factors in bagging a turkey with a airgun. a proper head shot will do the job nicely
My FWB65/480fps/CPslites, are one shot kills on mongooses at 25yds with proper head shots.
Aloha John
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Msg. 270731  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 01, 2000 at 17:53:14:

In Reply to: "Life's not for whimps " You wrote the book! posted by Willey M on August 01, 2000 at 17:37:54:

And what the hell is "boiled owl shit", anyway???
(Heh-Heh-Heh! I can't wait for your answer to THIS one!) Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 270730  Posted by ??? on August 01, 2000 at 17:52:12:

In Reply to: Re: Things an airgun hunter needs posted by JAMES L on August 01, 2000 at 12:29:07:

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Msg. 270729  Posted by ??? on August 01, 2000 at 17:51:40:

In Reply to: Re: Things an airgun hunter needs posted by JAMES L on August 01, 2000 at 12:29:07:

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Msg. 270727  Posted by Uncle Gary on August 01, 2000 at 17:48:59:

In Reply to: Once more into the breech posted by Tom Scheibe on August 01, 2000 at 15:38:11:

Russ Best, I, and others have tried moly-coated pellets, and all with the same results: initial accuracy seems to be a little better, then gets worse as the moly quickly fouls the rifling grooves. Airgun rifling is typically shallower than firearm rifling, so moly buildup in the grooves quickly decreases accuracy, rather than improving it. All I can say is, if you doubt this, get a can of MSMoly and try it yourself! Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 270726  Posted by Willey M on August 01, 2000 at 17:37:54:

In Reply to: Re: Yes Mike and my sister is a registered nurse there too.... posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 16:16:42:

Mike,

You're tougher than boiled owl shit! I'll testify!...Willey


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Msg. 270725  Posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 17:30:55:

I posted a question about the Tominator and I reviewed it and saw it only had 20fpe. So I thought about it and thought about my 12 gauge has like 3.0 grain pellets which lose speed fast and it is mutiple hits that kill an animal with a shotgun. So at 35 yards a 12 gauge single bb is doing lets say 800 fps so it would have an fpe of 4.2 and the bb's are 2mm diameter so if you need 4 of those to kill a bird you need a total of 8mm. What about a .20 caliber pellet doing 600 at 35 yards and weighing 14.3 grains that is 11 fpe and a 5mm hole. What my question is what is the needed foot pounds to kill a turkey? Or did I answer my own question.
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Msg. 270724  Posted by Max on August 01, 2000 at 17:27:11:

In Reply to: Has anyone made any recent mods to a QB-1? nt posted by Nik on August 01, 2000 at 16:45:07:

Yes. I bulked it using 7 oz. paintball bottle. The bottle is parallel to the barrel.
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Msg. 270723  Posted by Stocky on August 01, 2000 at 17:04:18:

In Reply to: What is the best scope mounts to use on a Career 707 posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 01, 2000 at 15:18:03:


Wayno...

What scope are you putting on there?

Stocky
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Msg. 270722  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 17:00:21:

In Reply to: Steel BBs and rifled barrels posted by Fred on August 01, 2000 at 16:44:22:

if the crosmn has rifling its true for it too its ok for the smooth bores
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Msg. 270721  Posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 16:46:27:

In Reply to: Once more into the breech posted by Tom Scheibe on August 01, 2000 at 15:38:11:

See my Talon review,link below, half way down thee page is a link to the best moly info I have found.

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Msg. 270720  Posted by Nik on August 01, 2000 at 16:45:07:

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Msg. 270719  Posted by Fred on August 01, 2000 at 16:44:22:

I recently purchased a Gamo P-23. I have been told by this forum that steel BBs should not be used. I also have a Crosman 1377 and 2100. Both of these airguns allow the use of BBs. Is it also true that steel BBs will damage the barrel or is this just a concern on the Gamo?

Thanks
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Msg. 270718  Posted by TCooper on August 01, 2000 at 16:27:09:

In Reply to: doesn't the IZH-46 shoot @ same power as P3? nt posted by JP on July 30, 2000 at 09:00:28:

My P-3 shoots 402fps with Hobbys and the IZH-46 that I had did 390fps with Hobbys.
FWIW,
Todd
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Msg. 270717  Posted by vZc® on August 01, 2000 at 16:25:53:

In Reply to: Once more into the breech posted by Tom Scheibe on August 01, 2000 at 15:38:11:

i'd suspect that polished bore would be more beneficial in air rifles.

some claim a too smooth surface causes quicker leading in firearms but in pellet rifles ?
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Msg. 270716  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 16:22:19:

In Reply to: As I have said many times. JOIN THE NRA!! You can't go wrong. They're comming for airguns of .22 cal. or any over 700fps in Illinois. Maybe bank robbery would be considered a lessor offense? posted by vidas chekski on August 01, 2000 at 05:05:19:


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Msg. 270715  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 16:16:42:

In Reply to: Yes Mike and my sister is a registered nurse there too.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 16:07:31:

we may see each other and not know it :) i wait for my ride after apointments seems like monthly now. foot probs..lifes not for whimps :)
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Msg. 270713  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 16:07:31:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Mike, and on the pistol rug,.... posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 16:01:40:

At least someone in the family got some brains lol.

Marty
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Msg. 270712  Posted by daisy on August 01, 2000 at 16:05:03:

In Reply to: The new scopes have landed....matter of fact.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:24:50:

There is only one set of priorities when it comes to family. I'm sure everyone on this form knows that. Hope all works out well for you.
daisy
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Msg. 270711  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 16:01:40:

In Reply to: Thanks Mike, and on the pistol rug,.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:50:47:

No prob ..you dont need to answer this. but, is it KU Med? they are Good
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Msg. 270710  Posted by Steve B. on August 01, 2000 at 16:00:38:

In Reply to: Stupid (?) scope question posted by Chris on August 01, 2000 at 00:09:57:

Chris: I think I know what you want - maybe. With the scope on or off the gun, your call, run the adjustments all the way to their limits - it doesn't matter which way. Then count the number of clicks going the other way till the oposite limits are reached. Then count half those numbers going the other way again.

If say you counted 100 clicks down and 100 clicks left, you want to be at fifty on each axis. What ever your numbers are, put yourself in the middle; you will be as centered as mere mortals such as ourselves are likely to be. Now you can re-rough your zero with your spiffy adjustable scope mounts and when you have it ballparked (your call) use the scope adjustments. Good luck...

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 270709  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 15:59:09:

In Reply to: Once more into the breech posted by Tom Scheibe on August 01, 2000 at 15:38:11:

doesnt work too well. speed goes up, std diav goes down. groups open up as well Russ Best tested this..Moly sticks to steel better then lead
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Msg. 270708  Posted by RGunn on August 01, 2000 at 15:56:53:

In Reply to: The new scopes have landed....matter of fact.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:24:50:

Marty, God bless you, and yours.
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Msg. 270707  Posted by Sammy on August 01, 2000 at 15:55:13:

In Reply to: Re: Webley Vulcan posted by jcbii on July 31, 2000 at 19:17:03:

If you don't mind my asking what kind of power do you get out of your .22 Vulcan. It is advertised at 16 foot pounds. Does yours get anywhere close to that. Thanks
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Msg. 270706  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 15:55:01:

for months now, ive been thinking about making some type of wind chart.for clicking in a scope. some what a grid, like we did in math in grade school. or, a Honeycomb target style grid. both with scope click #s on the chart. based on wind drift from 1-8mph at different angles..based on CPs in 20cal and 22call out of a JW80. at 25yrds 50yrds and 75yrds..but i dont know the math as you know..:) i was wondering how you could use the wt of a pellet, speed of said pellet, wind drift and distance to figure this out ..balistic drag how would that enter in to this? i got the idea from a compan that does it for PALMA and Mini PALMA ..CAB inc was the company..they wanted the BC to do it for me and i had no clue howto do that..with airguns..i know you need wt of the pellet and two speeds at muzzel & target ..thats all i know about it
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Msg. 270705  Posted by IDB on August 01, 2000 at 15:54:58:

In Reply to: Tominator!? posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 14:35:28:

Airguns-R-Us, there is nothing new about Tominators and Ratinators.

Ian
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Msg. 270704  Posted by powell on August 01, 2000 at 15:54:35:

In Reply to: They are taunting me...... posted by JS on August 01, 2000 at 14:58:15:

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Msg. 270703  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:50:47:

In Reply to: Re: The new scopes have landed....matter of fact.... posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 15:38:17:

The nylon stuff is made to order so if you would decide to get one, allow 1-2 weeks before shipping to get one.

Thanks for the well wish, I appreciate that!

Marty
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Msg. 270702  Posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 15:47:52:

In Reply to: Re: Well the Dave G stocked Career Carbine is getting close to finished... posted by Jon F. on July 31, 2000 at 21:57:37:

If you just cut the lever off the way you described, you would get some VERY irradic behavior out of the gun! The hand loop portion of the lever serves not only as a cocking handle, but as you hold the gun to fire it, you are actually helping to hold the breech closed. The linkage is not strong enough to keep the breech firmly closed without the hand loop in place. So you get blow by on the seals, and at times the trigger guard will actually get blown open. This leads to inconsistant velocities, and the potential for a dangerous situation... Been there, done that...
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 270701  Posted by Sammy on August 01, 2000 at 15:39:20:

In Reply to: RBest TX200HC posted by Bob Kelly on August 01, 2000 at 14:21:54:

If possible could you email me so that I could ask you a question about your TX200HC. Thanks
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Msg. 270700  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 15:38:17:

In Reply to: The new scopes have landed....matter of fact.... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:24:50:

may God be with you and your Mom..

i found a pistol rug on your sight.i think will work well for my FWB 65 mk2..hard to find them in 18-20" size..sorta made me nuts
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Msg. 270699  Posted by Tom Scheibe on August 01, 2000 at 15:38:11:

I've read a lot about washing and lubing match pellets, but no one has mentioned "Moly" coating. There are certain advantages for high heat/pressure firearms, but has anyone tried this with match pellet rifles? What results? Somewhat shamefully, I'm reluctant to be the first to try.

thanks,
Tom
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Msg. 270698  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 15:30:11:

In Reply to: MOUNTING and ZEROING A SCOPE posted by RON on August 01, 2000 at 11:34:40:

Ron, that might make you nuts click up for this and down for that ..you might try and set it at 25-33yrds see what setting keeps you in a 3" target, and shooting flat, this way you just click up when you shoot longer ranges
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Msg. 270697  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:28:52:

In Reply to: What is the best scope mounts to use on a Career 707 posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 01, 2000 at 15:18:03:

Hands down, the BKL #274 two piece extended for best placment and adjustment for eye relief. Got them on both my Careers.

And yes I sell them $35.00 + $4.00 priority mail insured. Work perfect.

Marty
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Msg. 270696  Posted by Doug Law on August 01, 2000 at 15:25:48:

In Reply to: Air Arms Firpower posted by Dave Durrett on August 01, 2000 at 11:11:45:

Dave, Im not sure on their value as theydont turnup over herevery often. They are neat looking but dont have much power about 650-700 in .22. I have a couple of Modern Air Arms guns and woudnt mind getting the Firepower.
Ibelieve it was made ab out 1987. I do have some photocopy ads for the Firepower.
Drope me a note if you want to sell it and Ill make you an offer off line.

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Msg. 270695  Posted by Doug Law on August 01, 2000 at 15:25:34:

In Reply to: Air Arms Firpower posted by Dave Durrett on August 01, 2000 at 11:11:45:

Dave, Im not sure on their value as theydont turnup over herevery often. They are neat looking but dont have much power about 650-700 in .22. I have a couple of Modern Air Arms guns and woudnt mind getting the Firepower.
Ibelieve it was made ab out 1987. I do have some photocopy ads for the Firepower.
Drope me a note if you want to sell it and Ill make you an offer off line.

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Msg. 270694  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 15:24:50:

They have been here for over a week. I guess you all are wondering "well where the hell are they Marty?" Well you got the good ol' USA customs to thank for the fact that they are not on their way to me already.

Now I also have to tell everyone, that my Mother is not doing at all well. She has a serious heart condition, and must have open heart surgery for a aneurism. This surgery is scheduled for the 10th of August, and I must travel to Kansas City on the 7th, to be with her before this takes place. I just imagine that the scopes will be shipping to me as I am leaving or while I am gone.

So I must ask your patience once again, I have instructed Swift to ship them to me immediately, and have arrainged for them to be received in my absense. I will ship them out as soon as I return if they do arrive while I am gone. Guys thanks for your patience once again, but this must simply be my first priority before the scopes. I hope you will understand.

Sincerely,
Marty
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Msg. 270693  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 15:21:56:

In Reply to: They are taunting me...... posted by JS on August 01, 2000 at 14:58:15:

JS, can you say SWAT & sniper? :) dont think thats a good idea and congrats on the promotion
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Msg. 270692  Posted by Wayne from Ohio on August 01, 2000 at 15:18:03:

Should I get a one or two piece scope mount. Any suggestions would be helpful.

Thank you

Wayne
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Msg. 270691  Posted by larry on August 01, 2000 at 15:08:53:

In Reply to: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 09:08:51:

These rifles will spit medium weight pellets out in the lower 800s - not too shabby. HTH
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Msg. 270690  Posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 15:07:51:

In Reply to: Re: Talon vs. other PCP's posted by Steve in CT on August 01, 2000 at 09:15:04:

It does not waste a lot of air. And the current production with the new Lothar Walther barrel are very accurate. Perhaps you had a lemon.

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Msg. 270689  Posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 15:02:39:

In Reply to: They are taunting me...... posted by JS on August 01, 2000 at 14:58:15:

I have a ground floor office, with a window that goes from floor to ceiling. There is a gret big lawn out in front of me, with lots of big oak trees... Everyday I am forced to watch the starlings bopping around in the grass, sometimes just feet infront of me... I have a rabbit that comes a couple of times a week to sit infront of my widow, just twitching his nose at me, while he chomps on grass, and watches me post these forum tid bits... Squirrels frequently scurry about the oaks some 30 yards away... perfect airgun range away...
Regards,
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Msg. 270688  Posted by chieftd on August 01, 2000 at 14:59:53:

Hey all, I'm heading to "Nawlins" Louisiana next week for a conference. Just wanted to know if there were any good airgun supply stores near by. I'm coming from Hawaii where there is basically nothing! Drop me a line if you have any info on stores near (really close, I won't have a car) New Orleans. Thanks in advance,
chieftd
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Msg. 270687  Posted by M Boyle on August 01, 2000 at 14:59:19:

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Msg. 270686  Posted by JS on August 01, 2000 at 14:58:15:

Drats!
I just got a promotion and today moved upstairs to Research & Development....my new quarters has nice windows overlooking the woods. Now there are all these critters out there in the trees just laughing at me....from total security.
I wonder if anyone would notice me airgunning from the office? Maybe it's time to buy an air cane? Hmmm.....can I pass this off as "research"?
Jack


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Msg. 270685  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 01, 2000 at 14:55:35:

In Reply to: Tominator!? posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 14:35:28:

Only thing I could find. Never heard of this one
before now.

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Msg. 270684  Posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 14:35:28:

Does anyone own one of these fantastic looking guns. e-mail me I really want to know the details about them. huntur3@warwick.net

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Msg. 270683  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 14:23:47:

In Reply to: Re: frog poppin posted by Don on July 31, 2000 at 19:08:11:

I agree for the most part all of the excellent posts and opinions that have been presented.

I would also like to point out one thing that has been omitted. Hunters through their participation in the sport, and their purchase of hunting licenses and hunting and fishing supplies (which are specifically taxed for conservation), are doing more to preserve and enhance both the abundance, and quality of all wildlife species than any other factor. The anti gun movement of course ignores this fact.

Many do not realize that funds that came through the taxation and licensing of hunters, many species would most likely be at this point gone from the wild. However because of the earmarked monies, they are now plentiful. Turkey, Deer, and Bear are three that come to mind. There are many more.

Frogs face a demise that is far more the cause of a polluted environment, than any damage done by their taking by hunting. If you hunt them, buy a license, and take only what you intend to use, and within the limits of daily take and possession.

Marty
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Msg. 270682  Posted by Bob Kelly on August 01, 2000 at 14:21:54:

Thanks again for the help. I just got off the phone
with Boris at EAP. What a nice guy! Part will soon be
on its way. By the way I also picked up some CP's
they're working great. I hope to return the favor, it's
not likely, you've got a few too many years experience
on me. Just the same, I appreciate your advice!!!
Have a great day(bullseye)!
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Msg. 270681  Posted by Allan on August 01, 2000 at 14:20:22:

In Reply to: " Collectors Guide to Airpistols " posted by DougWall on July 31, 2000 at 13:41:01:

Latest editon Pg 100,with references to other articles in AGW,Shooting Times ,etc.
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Msg. 270680  Posted by Mike Landreth on August 01, 2000 at 14:19:41:

In Reply to: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 09:08:51:

I get a litte over 700 fps with Crosman.
Ave temp in the upper 80's.
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Msg. 270678  Posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 13:58:09:

In Reply to: James and Airpower, how do you gentlemen like the cosmetics/finish of your guns?..nt posted by Chavez on August 01, 2000 at 11:45:05:

Great on mine. But gaudy with the gold color trim. I could do without that.
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Msg. 270677  Posted by William on August 01, 2000 at 13:52:58:

In Reply to: MOUNTING and ZEROING A SCOPE posted by RON on August 01, 2000 at 11:34:40:

Ron;
Click on the URL for an on line web page concerning mounting a scope! It will give you the basics on mounting a scope! After reading it, and doing what it says, if you have more questions come back and ask! HTH
William

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Msg. 270676  Posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 13:52:56:

In Reply to: MIT MK IV stuff - Thanks - And how are you getting the CO2 in? posted by Jim P on August 01, 2000 at 12:11:20:

I modified the fill system to take a standard male QD. I left the check valve in place I fill by inverting a 20 oz co cylinder with the gun vertical, and open the tank. The tank is screwed into a universal fill adapter. An ACI combo slide check QD comes out of it. This is connected directly to the QD on the gun. Simple, no waste as with hoses.
You could fill from a larger tank with hose tho. I am not shooting blanks while filling, chilling, etc, as I do not know the safe maximum fill yet.
I have added no oil. The gun is very oily as it comes from the factory tho.
I did not get the push loader, as I intended to convert to the male QD standard from the beggining. I don't know if it would work for co2 or not, might be too restrictive to get a good fill.

It came with the filler on top, I moved it to the bottom, gets the liquid co2 down there where it should be from the start. Probably not a real issue one way or the other.
I have a chronograph coming in, I can chrono it soon.

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Msg. 270675  Posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 13:52:51:

In Reply to: MIT MK IV stuff - Thanks - And how are you getting the CO2 in? posted by Jim P on August 01, 2000 at 12:11:20:

I modified the fill system to take a standard male QD. I left the check valve in place I fill by inverting a 20 oz co cylinder with the gun vertical, and open the tank. The tank is screwed into a universal fill adapter. An ACI combo slide check QD comes out of it. This is connected directly to the QD on the gun. Simple, no waste as with hoses.
You could fill from a larger tank with hose tho. I am not shooting blanks while filling, chilling, etc, as I do not know the safe maximum fill yet.
I have added no oil. The gun is very oily as it comes from the factory tho.
I did not get the push loader, as I intended to convert to the male QD standard from the beggining. I don't know if it would work for co2 or not, might be too restrictive to get a good fill.

It came with the filler on top, I moved it to the bottom, gets the liquid co2 down there where it should be from the start. Probably not a real issue one way or the other.
I have a chronograph coming in, I can chrono it soon.

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Msg. 270673  Posted by Steve B. on August 01, 2000 at 13:51:37:

In Reply to: Re: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by DT Fletcher on August 01, 2000 at 12:06:11:

DT: The downside of the 180 (I have a 187, with MT trigger, which is a bit heavier) is that all the weight is in the butt. They point poorly, and the wind blows them all over the place. I really like the way a 160 with the extended tank hangs and points, and the weight is about right too.

regards - Steve B.
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Msg. 270672  Posted by Don on August 01, 2000 at 13:50:39:

In Reply to: That's also true...Man, I don't know what to think....nt posted by Steve T on August 01, 2000 at 10:29:29:

Here's what I'd hope people would think about before shooting: "What's the reason?" If folks keep that in mind, I believe the sport aspect (which is what this is all about, right?) will be well served. Thanks to you and others on your supportive comments. I learned to hunt at an early age and was told of such things as respect and consideration, but had to discover some of it for myself (by asking "Why?"). I really believe that gun culture, at its best, is of great benefit to youngsters and that other qualities such as responsibility & good citizenship can be developed in this way, carrying over into adult life.
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Msg. 270671  Posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 13:45:51:

In Reply to: Pellets for SM posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 12:48:19:

With stock spring I would not recommend anything over about 9.5 grains... I use 10.5's with the GSI, and it loves em...
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Msg. 270670  Posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 13:44:51:

In Reply to: something else... posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 12:51:44:

There are some things that could go wrong with the SM... Most of the blatant problems have been addresse within the realm of manufacturing, and are no longer concerns... My mainspring failed, but not till after quite a few tins of pellets, but that can happen on any spring gun... The GSI kit is still available, and is easy enough to intall should the need ever arise. In it's price range, right on up to about the price of an R9, I feel the SM is a winner...
Good luck with what ever you decide on!
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 270669  Posted by Penn on August 01, 2000 at 13:40:19:

In Reply to: Re: Bulked Crosmans posted by BDG on August 01, 2000 at 08:11:37:


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Msg. 270668  Posted by Penn on August 01, 2000 at 13:36:23:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250 posted by JoshieCK on August 01, 2000 at 00:08:36:

...to also share my 2250 experience. MAC-1 modified, with a couple extra goodies: custom breech seal, oval exhaust port, trigger shoe (makes a difference! feels very nice). The gun would be nice in stock form, but his additions really smoothed out any rough edges, so to speak. The included scope leaves allot to be desired. Not enough eye relief for this big guy.

Have not chrony'd it, but the MAN said 580 fps. I have no reason to doubt that, because it hits HARD! And will hit HARD for 30+ shots before weakening. I have actually fired it 42 times on one powerlet, although the last 3-4 were really pathetic.

Shooting it at my swinging metal trap at 10 yds with wadcutters (flat-faced), the pellets flatten out and weld themselves to the metal (Daisy wadcutters lubed with FP10). I personally recommend lubing pellets in CO2 guns.

Hope this helps.

Good day,
Penn


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Msg. 270667  Posted by mako on August 01, 2000 at 13:26:06:

The Blackmountain shooting club will be hosting it's (almost) monthly USA Shooting sanctioned 10 meter airpistol match on August 6th at the Pradio Trio Shooting Range (909) 597-4794 starting at 9am. (get there earlier for registration)

For more info you can call Sandy Santibanez (858) 484-7624

If you just like airpistol shooting come on by and check it out!
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Msg. 270666  Posted by JS on August 01, 2000 at 13:16:21:

In Reply to: Re: How fast posted by Tom @ B B on August 01, 2000 at 12:21:58:

I thought about that factor....having experienced valve lock from heat big time with CO2 guns while living in Baja. There it averages 110-120 in the afternoon during the summer. Not CO2 gun weather.
But what happened Saturday was only in 82 degrees....the same basic temp as the week before in the same location. The only variable was the 100% humidity factor.
It was a nice sunny day the week before and the same gun performed flawlessly for hours of shooting....as it usually does...as it did all week...as it does now again.
However, last Saturday was not overly hot (82 is not bad really)...it was just drippingly humid.
I've never had a CO2 gun valve lock in only 82 dgrees (maybe I've just been lucky all these years?). Shoot, 82 is a mild early spring day out in the Baja desert. That's prime Juancito hunting weather!

Jack


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Msg. 270665  Posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 12:51:44:

In Reply to: Re: hmm posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 12:08:55:

And is the SM likely to break? Does it still shoot good without the GSI kit?
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Msg. 270664  Posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 12:48:19:

In Reply to: Re: hmm posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 12:08:55:

What kind of pellets you use for the SM? Can you use any kind?
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Msg. 270663  Posted by Quack on August 01, 2000 at 12:36:44:

In Reply to: If you know alot about airguns please read! posted by David Hawk on July 31, 2000 at 22:14:50:

Is the scope designed for the 2 way recoil of a springer. Thats what we call a airgun scope, if you didn't already no. Check to see if all the bolts are tight on the scope mounts. I have heard of the pivot bolts for the barrel on these guns having been loose from the factory. Tighten them till there is no play, if any at all. Try shooting the gun with the scope off and see if it is indeed the scope. I have had problems before with a Simmons Airgun scope that was brand new. I just sent it back to the manufacturer and they fixed it. The scope has been great ever since. Scopes are a more delicate piece of equipment and cannot always be used as the accuracy determiner of the gun. Thats just been my experience with scopes. If you do not have an airgun scope it is probly broken anyways. Hope this helps you out,
Paul in MI
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Msg. 270662  Posted by JAMES L on August 01, 2000 at 12:29:07:

In Reply to: Things an airgun hunter needs posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 12:22:36:

WELL CAN ALMOST AGREE EXCEPT FOR THAT VOLICITY THINK. I CAN HIT RATHER WELL SMALL CRITTERS (CHIMPMONKS MOSTLY, SOME BIRDS)AND KILL THEM DEAD WITH MY CR160 22 AT ABOUT 600 FPS. AS WELL AS THE CR400 AT 500 FPS. MY QUACKENBUSH 25 ONLY DOES 400 BUT ITS A 25 CALIBER SHOUILD DO THE JOB. HOW ABOUTR MY CR1100 85 GRAIN 375 ROUND BALL AT ABOUT 400-500 FPS ON HIGH POWER. THAT WILL STOP EVEN A RABBIT IN HIS TRACKS. AND THE FOLKS IN ENGLAND SEEN TO KILL ALL MANNER OF CRITTERS WITH THEIR 12 FP GUNS. VOLICITY AIN'T EVERYTHING.
JAMES L
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Msg. 270661  Posted by matt sudol on August 01, 2000 at 12:22:36:

I have come up with some things you need if you hunt. I don't have all of them but have most of them. I refer to hunting as squirrels , crows and rabbits.

1.} A good gun. A gun that shoots any caliber but in .17 should be over 850 fps to be considered a hunting gun. I would reach for something bigger though. Regardless I shoot a .177 just fine for this game.

2.) A decent scope. One of 3-9 is just fine because you hardly ever need the higher lenses. But that is my opinion.

3.) A good pellet stock a great all around pellet for paper , birds , mammals and cans is the Crosman Premier , an excellent domed pellet with energy.

4.) Range finder. A range finder for the average airgunner should be one that is used by archers. The ranges for us is the same for them. Not to many people go beyond 50 yards.

5.) Game finder. This is one I think I will buy in the future. How many times have you been rabbit hunting or squirrel hunting only to find that you make a great hit and it runs off. Well if you did make a great hit it won't be far so you comb the area and don't find it. That is when you could use one of these it will find a dead rabbit in 70 degree weather 25 yards away.

6.) Camo. You don't need a Guile suit or a leafywear outfit. All you need is some good breakup pattern of the natural foliage . Put a little face paint or burned cork on your face and wear a thin glove. Boots a light canvas boot is great to allow you to slip through the woods. Camo does make a difference just sit out where the squirrels are in a white T-shirt and blue jeans and see how many come out even if you are rock still.

7.) Calls. Squirrel calls seem to be the new wave. The ones with the bellows work fine for greys and fox squirrel so does two coins clicked together. The whistle style calls prove deadly on red squirrels which are always defending their territory. Crow calls are good any kind will work and if you double up with some other people two can use the crow calls and one with a hawk screamer sparingly. Rabbits don't respond to calls but raccoons will respond to the distressed rabbit call as well as the squirrel whistle.

If I forgot any others just post them up.

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Msg. 270660  Posted by Tom @ B B on August 01, 2000 at 12:21:58:

In Reply to: Re: How fast posted by JS on August 01, 2000 at 11:38:56:

Hi Jack, Sounds more like a valve lock due to high internal pressures perhaps caused by temperature extremes. A CO2 gun can lock up if the internal pressure becomes so high that the hammer and spring can no longer push the valve open. Taking the gun inside to cool off would produce the results you saw. It is identical to overpumping a pnuematic except that the CO2 will self-heal if cooled off. Humidity, unless contained in the cartridge itself should not cause valve lock. HTH, Tom
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Msg. 270659  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 01, 2000 at 12:18:31:

In Reply to: Who repairs Apaches? Is it a DIY candidate? nt posted by Mauibuck on August 01, 2000 at 06:23:09:

Dave Gunter can repair the Apache. see
http://www.ados.com/~dgunter/restor.htm

What makes the Apache a tough nut for DIY is the exhaust valve. The valve itself is not easy to rebuild. It can be done, but it is a real job. The valve stem is way too thin and if you bend it at all you're finished. Then, assuming you got a nice soft ureathane seal in the valve, the silly design has a flat surface for the exhaust valve to seat against (the Apache design guys were total amateurs.) What you really want to do is cut a seat for the valve. This isn't particulary hard but it takes a lath. See Airgun Review #2 for my writeup for tips to repairing these and other pneumatic classics.
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Msg. 270658  Posted by Jim P on August 01, 2000 at 12:11:20:

In Reply to: More MIT MK IV stuff posted by James Kitching on July 31, 2000 at 23:54:12:

James,

Thanks for the report on the MIT MK IV. And I look forward to the Chrony Tests.

I am curious as to how you are getting the CO2 into the MK IV. Did you connect up to that "push loader" that it comes with? Did you make a flexiable connection to a big CO2 tank and thread it into the plug. Are you using a transfer cylinder and some sort of adapter (I assumed that the 3 cylinders mentioned in the above post was really the pellet holding cylinder?) And are you putting it in the top or bottom tube? I assume that you are not "firing" it a couple of times while the CO2 supply is connected (that is what you ment by "just squirting it in."

And I assume No Pellgunoil is associated with this CO2 or won't that be a problem if you go to HPA?

Just Curious,

Thanks again for the info.

Jim P.
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Msg. 270657  Posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 12:08:55:

In Reply to: hmm posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 11:52:41:

I did not feel that the Gamo's were of any better quality than the SM1000. I sold all my Gamos, and I still have the SM, so that says alot of what I think about the guns... I was never comforatable shooting the Gamo at past about 35 yards, and I do under an inch with the Sm at 50yards...
That being said, and this is just me, but I would think seriously about saving some more money and looking a little higher up the food chain... Say something like the BSA SuperSport, or maybe an R9. Yes, they cost more, but they will leave you wanting less, than if you go with a lesser gun...
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 270656  Posted by john on August 01, 2000 at 12:07:53:

In Reply to: Re: help choosin a gun posted by BDG on August 01, 2000 at 08:15:46:

the rapid 12 looks like a really cool gun. I think it gets between 950-1000 fps in .22.
john
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Msg. 270655  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 01, 2000 at 12:07:31:

In Reply to: Scope stop on Gamo 220 combo posted by fred wilson on August 01, 2000 at 11:27:08:

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Msg. 270654  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 01, 2000 at 12:06:11:

In Reply to: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 09:08:51:

There are some Philipine designs that are extremely efficient and almost certainly have the edge on overall power. There is a design where the pellet is seated directly into the barrel rifling (best method) and then the breech mechanism actually swivels behind the pellet, an extremely-efficient design.

As a benchmark, I had MAC-1 build the most powerful highly-modified QB22 they could and it produced 17.5 ftlbs when shooting 21g Kodiaks at a little over 600fps. (See my book "The Crosman model 160" for a complete writeup and pictures of the modifications.) Today, MAC-1 is installing extended-length match barrels and gets even higher power. Longer barrel in CO2 will result in higher power.

One of the most overlooked early models is the Crosman model 180. It has the same basic guts as the 160 but in a more compact package. I know that Dave Gunter has done some amazing power mods with this model. An interesting project gun would be a late model (good trigger) 180 with a good barrel and run in through Dave's shop to see what he can do with it. Because of it's light weight, and operation, the model 180 really is a superior field-hunting gun with power potential on a par with the 160.
dt fletcher

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Msg. 270653  Posted by Gary on August 01, 2000 at 11:53:29:

In Reply to: Talon vs. other PCP's posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 21:08:56:

Thanks for the help. I guess I will wait a bit. I just started lookin anyway and it usually takes me quite a bit of time till I settle on something. "The hunt is just as much fun as baggin the game."

Is the Carrier the leader in the PCP's for the money? I haven't heard much about anything else. Everyone on the list seems to love em.

Gary
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Msg. 270652  Posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 11:52:41:

In Reply to: My answr will be a bit jaded, but... posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 11:35:59:

Thanks Dave. What groups do you get with the Gamo at that range? And is the Gamo good quality (except for the trigger)? I'm wondering because I heard a lot of bad things about the SM, such as it breaking. I don't want a rifle that breaks, but then again I want an accurate one. I'm not going to be able to install anything on it that I have to order, and I've never heard of any GSI kit around here so...would the Gamo be the choice now?
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Msg. 270651  Posted by Chavez on August 01, 2000 at 11:45:05:

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Msg. 270650  Posted by Jim P on August 01, 2000 at 11:42:25:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo Hunter 220 posted by Wolf on August 01, 2000 at 00:10:19:

Wolf,

You might be interested in the information that put on the Airgun Notes page under the Qb-88. The trigger for the Qb-88 and the Hunter 220 are the same. Go to the below URL. Click Qb-88 and scan down the page to the trigger section.

Jim P.

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Msg. 270649  Posted by peter huppertz on August 01, 2000 at 11:41:12:

In Reply to: PROBED??? I think they took my posted by Harvey on August 01, 2000 at 02:50:15:

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Msg. 270648  Posted by peter huppertz on August 01, 2000 at 11:39:23:

In Reply to: Re: Go to his home page to find out. (Home Page Gone) posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 10:08:02:

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Msg. 270647  Posted by darmtn on August 01, 2000 at 11:39:17:

In Reply to: Re: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by GLT on August 01, 2000 at 11:21:08:

My vote would go to the Valiente, for both current and former
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Msg. 270646  Posted by JS on August 01, 2000 at 11:38:56:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2250 posted by JoshieCK on August 01, 2000 at 10:41:26:

I own a 1740 (.177 version of the 2240), a 2240 with a 14" barrel, a 2250, and a QB-78 in .22 caliber (aside from many other various CO2 guns). All my .22's in stock form seem to use CO2 at around the same rate; 30+ shots per cartridge on the average. Even the 1740 doesn't really get any more. Gas kicked out is about the same. I get 30-35 good shots per cart with the 2240 and 2250. Barrel length affects how efficiently the amount of gas is used, but not how much is used...that is in the valve design and hammer/striker force.
My QB-78 gets about 60-65 good shots per charge of two CO2 carts. So the number of shots is about equal....at least in my guns. The 2240 I have was tuned by Mac1 and has the bolt mods and such (14" barrel also), but this doesn't seem to affect the number of shots....only ease, smoothness, and accuracy. That gun is much nicer to shoot than my stock 2250. But you can do many mods yourself to improve these guns.

If you modify these guns for more velocity by increasing the hammer spring, the number of usable shots drops. Heavier hammer springs will increase velocity, but more gas through the bore means fewer shots per cartridge.

Of course, on a day like last Saturday, you can forget all of this with CO2 guns! I got a few good shots from my QB-78 and then it locked up on my in 100% humidity conditions. I mean that it started shooting slow after maybe 20 shots while walking over an hour or so. Then I went to chrono it and it would not even put a pellet out the bore! A couple times more and it barely coughed the pellet out on the ground.
I went home, put the gun in the rack still charged.....and waited an hour. Went to the basement range, it then fired perfectly first time and every time after that. It shot dead on where it had been sighted....and penetrated flatheads 1" into ductseal as it always has. No problems since...indoors. I have yet to take it outside again. I'll wait until it's less humid.
I'll always take along a backup springer when the weather is hot and humid from now on.

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Msg. 270645  Posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 11:35:59:

In Reply to: Best Rifle posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 02:11:24:

I have owned more than one Gamo, and I own a Sm1000. At 50 yards, I'd go with my Sm any day of the week. There is more to it than just which is more accurate at 50 yards though... It takes alot to learn to shoot a spring gun well, and the SM is a hard one to learn. It is heavy, long, and awkwardly balanced, but it hits with a real wallop! By comparison, the Gamo is lighter and smaller, but I hated all my Gamos... Can't stand the trigger, and always felt like I wanted something a bit better... The SM is what it is, and for $140 it's hard to ask for more. I did intall a GSI kit in mine, which made it a real pleasure to shoot, but that was not until the factory spring broke, so I had a couple of thousand pellets through it...
That's my 2 cents...
DaveG
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Msg. 270644  Posted by RON on August 01, 2000 at 11:34:40:

I would like your help on zeroing a newly mounted scope, finding the two distances where the pellet crosses the line of
sight. Anyone got any experience with this? HELP!
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Msg. 270640  Posted by fred wilson on August 01, 2000 at 11:27:08:

I recently purchased a Gamo 220 Hunter Combo. There is a part referred to as a "scope stop" mounted on the scope rail. What is the correct location for this stop. Is it to be placed at the rear or the rail where it bears against the rear scope mount or does is it placed between the mounts, or doe it not matter?

Thanks,

Fred
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Msg. 270639  Posted by GLT on August 01, 2000 at 11:21:08:

In Reply to: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 09:08:51:

I had a Valiente C200 that would shoot over 800fps using Premiers on low power. I never tested it on medium and high power as the trigger was to hard to use and accuracy went out the door.
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Msg. 270638  Posted by A-TEAM on August 01, 2000 at 11:19:51:

The Eastern Field Target Competeitor's Club Field Target match that was scheduled on August 5th at Doutchess County Pistol Association (in NY) has been cancelled.

The next Field Target matches scheduled with EFTCC are::

September 23rd - Saturday ** EFTCC @DCPA (NY) Field Target

October 21st - Saturday ***** EFTCC@ Chestertown, on the Eastern Shore of, Maryland Field Target
October 29th - Sunday ***** New York State Championship - EFTCC @DCPA (NY) Field Target


The Oct 29th match is the New York State championship and there will be a Piston and Open class champion. All susequent matches will be 60 shot matches on 30 targets in 10 lanes. More information regarding these FT matches can be found on The "A" Team's web site (URL below). The results from the previous EFTCC FT matches (4/8/00 and 12/12/99) can also be found on The "A" Team's web site.

Ray & Hans ~ The "A" Team
(845-896-9792 or 914-277-4309)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@bestweb.net
A-TEAM-HANS == > ateamh@bestweb.net
http://www.bestweb.net/~ateamray

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Msg. 270636  Posted by Jim G. on August 01, 2000 at 11:16:25:

In Reply to: Oak Ridge Field Target Matches Cancelled Until Further Notice posted by fredc on July 31, 2000 at 21:07:51:


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Msg. 270634  Posted by Dave Durrett on August 01, 2000 at 11:11:45:

I have an Air Arms Firepower in 22 caliber with the optional auto pellet feed tube. I bought this rifle new about ten years ago and I have never seen another like it. Do these rifles have any collector value?

Dave Durrett
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Msg. 270633  Posted by Larry on August 01, 2000 at 11:10:42:

In Reply to: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 09:08:51:

From what I have read on this Forum, I think a QB78 modified by Mac-1 might be as powerful as it gets.
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Msg. 270632  Posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 11:03:31:

In Reply to: Remington Air Rifle? posted by Alan in GA on August 01, 2000 at 10:54:05:

I've seen quite a few of the major gun makers selling rebadged air rifles, most notably Savage is now selling renamed Gamo 440's...
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 270631  Posted by Alan in GA on August 01, 2000 at 10:54:05:

a firearm site I visit had a question about whether or not anyone had seen the new Remington air rifle. Is this a rumor or what? alan in ga
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Msg. 270630  Posted by karl on August 01, 2000 at 10:52:52:

In Reply to: Proud to be an American and Shoot a Streak! posted by Greg Fischer on July 31, 2000 at 20:35:24:

Hope your right Greg, cause I just bought a Hold-Down Silver Streak yesterday and am waiting for it to be shipped. Something tells me I won't be disappointed!!!!!
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Msg. 270629  Posted by Wolf on August 01, 2000 at 10:51:43:

In Reply to: No! Unfortunately not... (nt) posted by Marco on August 01, 2000 at 09:54:14:



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LOL. That doesn't answer my question though.


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Msg. 270626  Posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 10:49:37:

In Reply to: Thats a new one Gamo and 50 yrds used in the same sentence!!!LOL(nt) posted by GMackeddie on August 01, 2000 at 06:11:04:



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Msg. 270624  Posted by Alan in GA on August 01, 2000 at 10:49:16:

In Reply to: Who repairs Apaches? Is it a DIY candidate? nt posted by Mauibuck on August 01, 2000 at 06:23:09:

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Msg. 270623  Posted by JoshieCK on August 01, 2000 at 10:41:26:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250 posted by JoshieCK on August 01, 2000 at 00:08:36:

Thanks everyone! I'm still looking around, but your info has helped a lot. One more question though, how fast will a 2250 go through co2? I imagine it must use quite a bit more per shot then my pistol does. Is a co2 rifle really worth it or do you go through co2 super fast.. (Can't wait for those new recargable air cartridges! ::grins evily::) I'm kinda torn between getting a "entry level" rifle *now* or saving some more money and getting an "adult entry level" gun... ::sigh:: It's only money...
----
JoshieCK

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Msg. 270622  Posted by Steve T on August 01, 2000 at 10:29:29:

In Reply to: guys guys slow down posted by MarkD on July 31, 2000 at 22:13:42:

nt
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Msg. 270620  Posted by John on August 01, 2000 at 10:24:22:

In Reply to: Most powerful co2 air rifles? posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 09:08:51:

Try some of the older Crosman rifles, such as
the 160, 400, etc.
They have power adjustament screws, and can be modified further by a reputable airgun smith.

John


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Msg. 270619  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on August 01, 2000 at 10:23:36:

In Reply to: Who sells Smith Wesson CO2 pistols - Thanks NT posted by jeffl on July 31, 2000 at 19:49:59:

Josh is a good guy to deal with and he has the extra barrels if you want them, Natchez doesn't carry the extras. URL is below

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Msg. 270617  Posted by JAMES L on August 01, 2000 at 10:09:38:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2250 posted by JS on August 01, 2000 at 08:23:36:

aND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE K-MART HAS A SALE ON THE 15 PACK OF BRASS EAGLE CO2 CARTRIDGES FOR $5.99 THIS MAKES THEM A BETTER BUY THAN MY STD 25 PACK WHICH I FOUND AT SPORTS AUTHORITY FOR $11.99
2 CENTS CHEAPER ON THE BRASS EAGLES AND 5 MORE CARTRIDGES. ONLY PROBLEM IS THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS ON SALE. I STOCK UP WHEN THEY ARE. LAST TIME I GOT 60 CARTRIDGES OR 4 BOXES.
JAMES L
GOES THROUGH A LOT OF CO2 BUT STILL NOT QUITE READY TO BULK IT. MAYBE SOMEDAY.
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Msg. 270616  Posted by James on August 01, 2000 at 09:59:24:

In Reply to: Re: What Happened to Swinson? posted by Swinson on July 31, 2000 at 02:47:57:

I am shocked by this cheap front.
Your taking people down, I know it to be true!
You are warned people-get rid of the stuff-TODAY!
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Msg. 270615  Posted by tcross on August 01, 2000 at 09:56:13:

In Reply to: RWS 34 Trigger adjust posted by Don Trinko on July 31, 2000 at 14:18:11:


The trigger on an RWS 34 or many other RWS guns does not really adjust for weight.

You can adjust stage travel, but the screws really do nothing for trigger pull.

You can replace the sear spring with a lighter one. This takes a small amount of skill and thinking - because the spring is hard to make stay in place - Unless you put a very small drop of super glue on its end, put the parts in place and then "tuck in" the spring. There is a whole way to "do it". Not hard - But some cannot do.

I have a picture of the mechanism if you send me your e-mail address. There are also tunes that involve replacing the sear with a crisper one.

After the simple sear spring job you will have a decent trigger. In my opinion, the common RWS guns do not have very good triggers out of the box..


Tom
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Msg. 270613  Posted by Marco on August 01, 2000 at 09:54:14:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo Hunter 220 posted by Wolf on August 01, 2000 at 00:10:19:

No! Unfortunately not...
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Re: Stupid (?) scope question


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Msg. 270612  Posted by Chris on August 01, 2000 at 09:54:06:

In Reply to: Re: Stupid (?) scope question posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 00:14:09:

I bought them from Precision Sales. The receipt says :"BSA Scope mount 17501 ADJ"
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Msg. 270609  Posted by AIRPOWER on August 01, 2000 at 09:18:37:

In Reply to: More MIT MK IV stuff posted by James Kitching on July 31, 2000 at 23:54:12:

James,
I have a MIT III Star for over a year now and
am 110% satisfied with it. I have since converted mine from .22 to 30cal.. I get 850+fps with a 70grn. pellet at 2500psi.

Bob
www.airpower.welcomeyou.com
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Msg. 270608  Posted by Steve in CT on August 01, 2000 at 09:15:04:

In Reply to: Talon vs. other PCP's posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 21:08:56:

If it is accuracy you are after get a career carbine. You 'll be a lot happier and you will definately get your money's worth. The Talon is overpriced for my taste. I did own one and its accuracy potential is at best in springer class not PCP. It also wastes a lot of air. What are they thinking down in Texas pricing this gun the same as a Career. Not even close.
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Msg. 270607  Posted by James Kitching on August 01, 2000 at 09:08:51:

What are the upper limits of co2 air rifle power in .22 caliber? Which production guns current or prior are the most powerful?
How about modified guns?



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Msg. 270605  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 01, 2000 at 08:50:25:

In Reply to: help choosin a gun posted by James Hurn on August 01, 2000 at 08:10:28:

1. I would become aware of your local laws regarding using airguns in your area, restrictions, hunting laws etc. This may narrow down your choice.

2. Decide on whether you want a spring gun, co2 or PCP. Spring guns are powerful, but you should not leave the spring cocked for extended periods and they are more difficult to learn how to shoot effectively. CO2 has the bulk loading issues. PCP is loud without a moderator, but offeres many advantages (no weight shift as air is used, can be left charged indefinitely, air readily available if you have a dive shop close).

3. Once you decide on a type of gun, then you will know what accessories you will need (bulk fill, scuba tank, adapters, etc). This will take some of your money.

4. Scope choice. Buy the best scope for the money. If you are hunting easily spooked quary, then you will want a higher power scope. Most seem to go for the 4 to 10x range. The simmons proair in 6-18x40 or the mag in the 6-20x44 are good cheap choices, but the mag may not hold up to a strong springer.

5. Now you will have a certain amount of money left and this will narrow your choice again.

I suggest doing the following first, then come back and ask for recommendations in the type of gun and price range you have left.


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Msg. 270604  Posted by Dr.J. on August 01, 2000 at 08:44:15:

In Reply to: FFL Dealers: Recommended Airgun Distributors? posted by Dr. J. on July 31, 2000 at 22:17:54:

Russ. Simply price issue. A few firearms distributors carry AGs for prices lower than those available to Non-FFLs. I'm new to AGs and not sure which firearms distributors have sufficiently high volumes in AGs for great prices. Bill Hicks & Co. has blown out some nice AGs on occasion at prices that are hard to believe (inappropriate for me to say prices publicly out of fairness to dealers). BTW, I live in MD but used to live in NJ and got fingerprinted to buy a Crosman 760 BB gun! Dr.J.
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Msg. 270603  Posted by Mike Pearson on August 01, 2000 at 08:43:50:

In Reply to: Re: can anyone help me please!!! posted by Mark Lemm on August 01, 2000 at 02:24:15:


I agree with Galen on this one 100%! This is where the higher BC .20 domes really start showing their superiority. These domes provide plenty of penetration and enough wound channel at these farther extended ranges. Sure, the hunter has to do his part, like Galen said, but then again, that's always been the case. The capability is definitely there! --- Mr.P
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Msg. 270602  Posted by Dr.J on August 01, 2000 at 08:36:07:

In Reply to: Re: any thoughts about Beeman R9 please posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 00:12:31:

Russ. I found nothing in Simmons literature on the Gold Medal Silhouette being AG rated, I was just commenting on its exceptionally clear optics. I spoke to Dr. Cross, chief scientist of Bushnell, a few months ago and he said the Scopechief line is very well built and can take AG recoil. He of course recommended scopes with AO for AGs. Unless I misunderstood, the Scopechief line is AG rated. Dr.J.
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Msg. 270601  Posted by Dr.J. on August 01, 2000 at 08:29:39:

In Reply to: Re: any thought about Beeman R9 please posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 00:18:13:

I recently asked for recommendations on a mag springer and the clear feedback from AG Letter responses was the Beeman R9--including nice words by Russ Best. I recall a posative comment on the BSA Supersport by Russ earlier. With the SS on sale at Precision for $170 and Pomona having a sale on the R9 for $229, is the R9 worth the extra money? Thanks. Dr.J.
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Msg. 270600  Posted by DaveG on August 01, 2000 at 08:27:45:

In Reply to: Well the Dave G stocked Career Carbine is getting close to finished... posted by Marty Silver Streak on July 31, 2000 at 20:05:09:

I'm glad that you are happy with it! I still catch Rick eyeballing mine...

Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 270599  Posted by JS on August 01, 2000 at 08:23:36:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2250 posted by GMackeddie on August 01, 2000 at 06:13:49:

It's a fun gun.....they run about $56 from D&R Sports. Well worth the price of admission.
Quite accurate for me out to 30 yards. Power can be improved easily enough with mods mentioned here all the time. Trigger spring can be easily replaced to lighten the pull. These guns are easy to work on and modify....great project fodder.
You can break them down by removing the stock for transporting in a short case, handy feature. Or put pistol grips on now and then.
I have a 2250 and a 2240 with a 14" 2250 barrel, both are fun. I always suggest the 2250 because for a small amount more you get the intermounts, 14" barrel and a cheap but servicable 4x scope.

But yes, for $69 + $13 shipping, the QB-78/22 found at Auction Arms is a great value also. I got mine there and love it. A nice wood stocked metal Cr160 clone that is rugged and shoots well.
Hey, get one of each.

I always am amused by the automatic response of "save your money and buy this or that more expensive gun". There is quite a difference in price between even a SuperSport and a $56 2250. Not everyone requires a SuperSport or better for what they do. The starling I put a SuperDome pellet completely through last Saturday with my QB-78 at 20 yards honestly did not know it came from a gun 1/4 the cost of a SuperSport...nor did the sparrow which received similar treatment from my 2250 a earlier. I seem to be able to keep up with the Career boys I plink with as far as shorter ranges go. No, I'm not blasting woodchuck heads apart like Stan's 9mm, nor taking those 50 yard sparrow shots...but this is just for fun. The 2250 (and QB-78) offers plenty of that for not much green. Just make sure you buy CO2 in the 25 pack! :-)

Jack



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Msg. 270598  Posted by BDG on August 01, 2000 at 08:22:43:

In Reply to: Best Rifle posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 02:11:24:

I never shot a gammo but the supermax I had, shot about 3 inches at 50 yards. Not really good for small game out that far. If it was to 35 yards I could do pretty well. maybe an inch or so. I think the supermax is powerful enough to hit things at 50 yards and still do some damage. I bought an R-9 in .20 and kept my hunting to 30 or so. bob
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Msg. 270597  Posted by BDG on August 01, 2000 at 08:19:01:

In Reply to: supermax 1000 posted by newbie on July 31, 2000 at 22:44:12:

I had one for about a week and sold it to a friend, it's a gun in the rough. I guess it's accurate enough for some plinking and small game but just very harsh. I'd save my money and buy something else. I bought an R-9 from Straight Shooters and was much happier. They are nice people. bob
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Msg. 270596  Posted by BDG on August 01, 2000 at 08:15:46:

In Reply to: help choosin a gun posted by James Hurn on August 01, 2000 at 08:10:28:

$1,500 US is a lot of money, you should buy a Rapid 12 from Beeman. I think they have an office in Australia. You'll need a scope too because it doesn't have iron sites, and you will need a scuba set up or pump. bob
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Msg. 270595  Posted by BDG on August 01, 2000 at 08:11:37:

In Reply to: Re: Bulked Crosmans posted by Max on July 31, 2000 at 20:55:15:

So does that mean there are more dangerous products coming out? Who are we to belive you or Mac-1? bob
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Msg. 270594  Posted by James Hurn on August 01, 2000 at 08:10:28:

Thnak you to all the people who helped me with suggestions of a gun
unfortunately i can't find the posts either it has bein deleted or i just can't
find it.

Anyways i have $1500.00US to spend on an airgun
and i want it specificly for hunting can i plz have some
suggestions?
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Msg. 270593  Posted by pilkguns on August 01, 2000 at 08:07:00:

In Reply to: Re: 5 shot rapid fire air pistols. posted by Charles on July 31, 2000 at 20:37:16:

I did'nt know RWS had them now, that should be good news
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Msg. 270592  Posted by James L on August 01, 2000 at 08:06:56:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2250 posted by GMackeddie on August 01, 2000 at 06:13:49:

How about a QB78 in 22 instead? Avaiable at auctionarms.com for $69 plus shipping(about $10)
Lots of them avaiable so don't bid over the initial $69. This gun far outshines the 2250 being made of STEEL & wood also looks much nicer.
(I should know I own both)
Now if you could find one a Quackenbush custom 2240 in .25 caliber would be worth buying(got one of those too this hits hard!)
James L
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Msg. 270591  Posted by Dave L on August 01, 2000 at 08:04:16:

In Reply to: Best Rifle posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 02:11:24:

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Msg. 270590  Posted by ^tg^ on August 01, 2000 at 07:49:38:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2250 posted by GMackeddie on August 01, 2000 at 06:13:49:

have put 3000 pellets thru my 2240 with 2260 barrel, no breech problems.....its more accurate than i am and is resonably powerful......all in all a fun gun. the 2250 is about $65, the RWS 34 is over $250.......

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Msg. 270589  Posted by GMackeddie on August 01, 2000 at 07:43:47:

In Reply to: Is the standard rail on a RWS 11mm? (nt) posted by Baron on August 01, 2000 at 07:16:19:

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Msg. 270588  Posted by Driskill on August 01, 2000 at 07:40:49:

In Reply to: If you know alot about airguns please read! posted by David Hawk on July 31, 2000 at 22:14:50:


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Msg. 270587  Posted by fredc on August 01, 2000 at 07:23:38:

In Reply to: Re: Oak Ridge Field Target Matches Cancelled Until Further Notice posted by racer162 on August 01, 2000 at 00:23:20:

ORSA is Oak Ridge Sportsman's Association located in Oak Ridge, TN. About 20 miles Northwest of Knoxville.


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Msg. 270586  Posted by Baron on August 01, 2000 at 07:16:19:

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Msg. 270585  Posted by DougWall on August 01, 2000 at 07:12:35:

In Reply to: Re: " Collectors Guide to Airpistols " posted by DT Fletcher on August 01, 2000 at 02:04:05:

Thanks. I'll try to get a SASE out to you in a couple of days.
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Msg. 270584  Posted by Quack on August 01, 2000 at 07:07:22:

In Reply to: Re: Sheridan Blue Streak impulse purchase posted by Steve Maher on August 01, 2000 at 00:25:02:

Hey Steve, I took a loss on my 397 to get a hold of this gun. It was totally worth it though. I don't think I'll ever let this one go. BTW, I found the gun at a pawn shop. I'd check around you're area to see if you can't locate one. This one surprisingly sat at this pawn shop for over a year. I thought I might be getting a lemon, but I am certainly glad I took the risk. The gun has done everything that I would hope it to do. Good luck in your search Steve,
Paul in MI
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Msg. 270583  Posted by RGunn on August 01, 2000 at 06:42:43:

In Reply to: Well the Dave G stocked Career Carbine is getting close to finished... posted by Marty Silver Streak on July 31, 2000 at 20:05:09:

......I will scan them and e-mail them to you. Just an option.

Randy
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Msg. 270582  Posted by thom on August 01, 2000 at 06:40:09:

In Reply to: More MIT MK IV stuff posted by James Kitching on July 31, 2000 at 23:54:12:

I for one thank you for taking the time, especially the pumping time when you do air. For the price I was wondering if we had a career clone, looks like not, but still if accuracy and power is there, it will fill a gap. Again thanks for looking into te eMIT IV

thom
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Msg. 270581  Posted by Mauibuck on August 01, 2000 at 06:23:09:


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Msg. 270580  Posted by GMackeddie on August 01, 2000 at 06:13:49:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250 posted by JoshieCK on August 01, 2000 at 00:08:36:

from what ive heard its an OK rifle but it has a plastic breech block why not save up more money and get a BSA super sport or RWS 34
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Msg. 270579  Posted by GMackeddie on August 01, 2000 at 06:11:04:

In Reply to: Best Rifle posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 02:11:24:

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Msg. 270578  Posted by misteradvice on August 01, 2000 at 05:53:08:

In Reply to: PCP posted by pritam on July 31, 2000 at 18:35:17:

got mine about 3 weeks ago and I must get a scope.
I am very accurate with career sights but this
rifle deserves a good scope. Tim at Mac1 and others said to get the .22 although I was wanting the .25. I'm glad I god the .22. With the Korean
28.5 grain pellet it goes thru a 2x4 and 3/4s thru
another 2x4, yet at low power it has good penetration with little noise.
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Msg. 270577  Posted by G. Jang on August 01, 2000 at 05:32:13:

In Reply to: Re: can anyone help me please!!! posted by Mark Lemm on August 01, 2000 at 02:24:15:

Hi Mark---

With all due respect, I'll have to disagree with you on this one if your combo is selected with this type of hunting in mind. If your outfit happens to like .20 cal CP's and spits them out at 20 ft. lbs., it is positively lethal @ 80 yds. I'm not going to tell you that sub minute of rabbit head is a piece of cake, but if conditions are right (Good rest, little wind and intimate knowledge of your guns ballistics) it is well within the realm of probability not possibility. All it takes is a little homework, good technique, a lazer rangefinder, and alot of practice. The right equipment for the job is a given.
GJ
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Msg. 270576  Posted by misteradvice on August 01, 2000 at 05:27:22:

In Reply to: frog poppin posted by Andrew on July 31, 2000 at 16:45:05:

I don't like to kill things that can benefit us.
I would never kill a purple martin or anything that eats the hell out of flys and mosquitoes.
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Msg. 270575  Posted by vidas chekski on August 01, 2000 at 05:05:19:

In Reply to: Re: Where did Kathy go? Did she finish the chapters? (nt) posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 14:28:42:

NRA is NOT just for cartridge guns.
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Msg. 270574  Posted by ICON on August 01, 2000 at 04:52:08:

In Reply to: Resident Skunk under my kids play structure. posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 11:50:26:

nt
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Msg. 270573  Posted by newbie on August 01, 2000 at 04:28:11:

i need to know what everyones opinion is on the supermax 1000 22cal. what kind of power, accuracy and durability are we talking
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Msg. 270572  Posted by Eric P. on August 01, 2000 at 03:33:22:

In Reply to: Selling value posted by Eric P. on July 30, 2000 at 22:07:41:

nt
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Msg. 270571  Posted by Harvey on August 01, 2000 at 02:50:15:

In Reply to: Why do I feel like we have been PROBED by the ATF! n/t posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 10:14:43:

left nut! No, wait. Doctors did that. LOL
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Msg. 270570  Posted by Harvey on August 01, 2000 at 02:41:03:

In Reply to: Re: What Happened to Swinson? posted by Swinson on July 31, 2000 at 02:47:57:

Hi craig,
As they say; its better to be on the right side of the law than the wrong side. My sentiments exactly. If you're interested, I wouldn't mind hearing from ya now and then. After all, nothing needs be discussed regarding your personal business. I have a brother in law [in law] in Nevada ( not the same) and some things just [aint], so to speak. If ya want, I'll help "relieve" you of a certain B/S steroided pop gun that you wrote about once before. I think I remember some feral birds...hehehe
Yer 'Bro in airarms,
Harv
seriously, take care, Craig.
I'll keep ya in my prayers
Harv
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Msg. 270569  Posted by jason on August 01, 2000 at 02:38:32:

In Reply to: Yup another Career story posted by MarkD on July 31, 2000 at 21:52:50:

Is this what it was...

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Msg. 270568  Posted by MR Bulk™ on August 01, 2000 at 02:27:48:

In Reply to: Buddy Bottles and Impact Shifts posted by dscott on August 01, 2000 at 00:40:00:

If you had a different fill pressure in the first bottle when sighting in, then screwed on another bottle with a higher fill, this could perhaps affect POI, especially at longer range. I also noticed it in the Career Tanker I once had, if I was careless enough to rest the tank on something while shooting, to the point where it actually contacted the barrel above it.

MR Bulk™


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Msg. 270567  Posted by Mark Lemm on August 01, 2000 at 02:24:15:

In Reply to: Re: can anyone help me please!!! posted by Chris on July 31, 2000 at 23:53:04:

75 to 80 yds is still pusing it for a 20ft/lb gun. You might hit your target but there probably won't be enough energy left to do much.

-Mark
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Msg. 270566  Posted by Mark Lemm on August 01, 2000 at 02:19:29:

In Reply to: any thought about Beeman R9 please posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 20:39:46:

It's a great gun and will be fine out to 50 yards. That scope is really a field target scope and you won't be able to use a sunshade with it if you have one. Probably no reason to buy a new one but a 4x12 or 4x16 is usually plenty for an R9. I think you're be very please with an R9. I know I am!

-Mark
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Msg. 270565  Posted by Harvey on August 01, 2000 at 02:17:47:

In Reply to: can anyone help me please!!! posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 19:35:44:

Russ Best turned me on to the BSA Supper Sport. Its my first springer and does all it sets out to. I would recommend looking at those (or any others) you can find used through the classifieds. If you want the same fun for less, try posting for anyone selling or listing good equipment here on the forum.
Yer 'Bro in airarms,
Harv
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Msg. 270564  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 01, 2000 at 02:12:01:

In Reply to: Selling value posted by Eric P. on July 30, 2000 at 22:07:41:

Since this gun doesn't qualify as a collector's item (actually down-the-road those guns with MAC-1 billet lever probably will become a collector's item) there is no reason to discount it for minor modifications such as you made to the sight.

dt fletcher
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Msg. 270563  Posted by MP on August 01, 2000 at 02:11:24:

Which rifle is more accurate out to 50+ yards, the Gamo Hunter 220 or the Super Max Air Rifle? Thank you.
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Msg. 270562  Posted by Harvey on August 01, 2000 at 02:10:23:

In Reply to: Sheridan Blue Streak impulse purchase posted by JimH on July 31, 2000 at 20:32:12:

Don't worry too much about pumps left in the gun overnight if it hasn't been overpumped. My friend left mine at eight for over a day. It seemed fine ( although not chronied) and has had no work done on it since. I have four of these from 67 until now. Nice catch, buddy.
Yer 'Bro in airarms,
Harv
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Msg. 270561  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 01, 2000 at 02:07:56:

In Reply to: Info on Benjamin Franklin Model 3100 Rifle posted by David on July 31, 2000 at 12:18:21:

A copy of the original owner's manual is included, along with the manuals for every other model ever made by Benjamin from 1902 till 1990, in my publication, The St. Louis & Benjamin Air Rifle Cos. hardbound, 300 pages, purchase online at
http://dtfletcher.safeshopper.com

dt fletcher

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Msg. 270560  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 01, 2000 at 02:04:05:

In Reply to: " Collectors Guide to Airpistols " posted by DougWall on July 31, 2000 at 13:41:01:

Not aware of anything comprehensive out there. There have been a few articles and pictures. There isn't much in the way of original paper either. I have just a coupld Hyscore catalogs, one manual, and one list of Hyscore models complete with parts list. In particular, this last item might be of interest to you.

The models include the 800 series, 802 series, 803 series. The 800 series is the single shot with fixed barrel. It was available in BB (800BB) in .177 (800B) in .22 chrome finish (800C). The chrome finish appears to have been special order and is extremely rare. The BB version is also extremely rare.
The 802 series is the 6 shot repeater and has the same options as the 800 and again BB and chrome version extremely rare. 803 was the multi-barrel version and came in blue (803B) and chrome (803C).

Note: there is also the rare 700 series guns that preceded the 800 series.

If you, or anyone else, are interested, I can make available the materials I have on Hyscore. Not a whole bunch (looks like about 8 pages) but I am not aware of there being anything else available. Anyone interested can send $2 plus a large SASE and I will return a copy of all that I have.
DT Fletcher
6720 NE Rodney Ave.
Portland, OR 97211

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Msg. 270559  Posted by Harvey on August 01, 2000 at 01:46:47:

In Reply to: Proud to be an American and Shoot a Streak! posted by Greg Fischer on July 31, 2000 at 20:35:24:

"STREAKERS" hehehe Yeah I'm still kickin' Chemo slows me down though. A lot.
Yer 'Bro in airarms,
Harv
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Msg. 270558  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 01, 2000 at 01:42:29:

In Reply to: Crosman bulk pistols finish? posted by Brent on July 31, 2000 at 18:11:25:

I agree with contacting Mike Archer about the paint to use.

In 75 Years of Crosman Airguns there is a picture of the entire paint shop in the Fairport factory including the infared-lamp baking area (would be easy to duplicate on a small scale.)

DT Fletcher

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Msg. 270557  Posted by Chris Farhi on August 01, 2000 at 01:39:44:

In Reply to: HW80?? posted by Jose M on July 31, 2000 at 21:27:37:

Go to Straight Shooters (use the below link).
There is a table showing the fps and ft lbs of the R1 (which is exactly the same as the HW80 - except different stock), using various pellets. They are very good tables - and are the real-worl figures because these are actual chronied results done by Straight Shooters.

http://www.straightshooters.com/ourtake/r1grid.html

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Msg. 270556  Posted by DT Fletcher on August 01, 2000 at 01:37:27:

In Reply to: Sheridan Blue Streak impulse purchase posted by JimH on July 31, 2000 at 20:32:12:

You can contact Crosman for a copy of the owner's manual which they will send to you at no charge. Ask for catalog too while your at it, to check out the acessories.

Personally, I like the Beeman click-adj peep. I had MAC-1 cut dovetails in the receiver and it works perfectly. It would also be possible to attach a compact scope via the dovetails but I haven't tried that.

Once your gun is broken in, you might want to have the MAC-1 steriod treatment done with the billet lever and trigger tuneup. With the billet lever you can pump 14-15 and the MAC-1-modified exhaust valve will exhaust it all. This turns an already great gun (as you now know) into a true powerhouse. Even if you don't go steriod, the MAC-1 trigger tune is an absolute must have.

Have fun.
dt fletcher

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Msg. 270555  Posted by Rada(EAP) on August 01, 2000 at 01:32:09:

In Reply to: Newbei to Air Arms, quick questions, not so short answers. Thank you... posted by Bob Kelly on July 31, 2000 at 16:59:51:

The HC does not come with the moderator as does the standard model TX. EAP has the inserts, if you would like a tune EAP does that also. Bigest improvement will be on the Elite.
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Msg. 270554  Posted by Zacch on August 01, 2000 at 01:25:59:

In Reply to: I am going pre-charged!? posted by Dave Powell on July 30, 2000 at 20:49:30:

Buy a Daystate Harrier

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Msg. 270552  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 01:15:54:

In Reply to: white tale posted by thom on July 31, 2000 at 22:36:39:

It may be OK on soft springers and tuned springers. My buddy uses one on his FT Tuned ProSport, and it works fine. RB
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Msg. 270551  Posted by bcd on August 01, 2000 at 01:15:52:

In Reply to: Amonia.... posted by Simon Slick on July 31, 2000 at 23:33:29:

An amonia filled squirt gun is a sure fire method of permanently chasing away pigeons.
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Msg. 270550  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 01:12:02:

In Reply to: Buddy Bottles and Impact Shifts posted by dscott on August 01, 2000 at 00:40:00:

I've never seen it. RB
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Msg. 270549  Posted by Diamondback Guns on August 01, 2000 at 01:04:57:

In Reply to: PCP posted by pritam on July 31, 2000 at 18:35:17:

A Daystate Huntsman MAGNUM with a speed loader!!
I am about to post a gun evaluation on this gun at my site It shoots thru a 2" X 6" and can group 3 shots in less than .342" at sixty yards.
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Msg. 270548  Posted by Diamondback Guns on August 01, 2000 at 01:04:08:

In Reply to: PCP posted by pritam on July 31, 2000 at 18:35:17:

A daystate with a speed loader!!
I am about to post a gun evaluation on this gun at my site It shoots thru a 2" X 6" and can group 3 shots in less than .342" at sixty yards.
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Msg. 270547  Posted by peter huppertz on August 01, 2000 at 00:44:43:

In Reply to: can anyone help me please!!! posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 19:35:44:

... such as "what do you mean by long range" and "is the price of the Simmons included in your $300 budget?"

At any rate, you may want to forget about the Simmons 6.5-20x, as it is not airgun rated, and might die on a springer powerful enough for long range work, especially if it's an affordable one.
If you're on a limited budget, you may be able to get a secondhand rifle that is better than anything you might get new on the same budget.

May I suggest the blemished RWS48s that are sold at a little over $200 by Airgun Express, or perusing the classifieds?

peter
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Msg. 270546  Posted by dscott on August 01, 2000 at 00:40:00:

Has anyone using the buddy bottle system on a Theoben, Beeman, or BSA noticed a shift in POI from one buddy bottle to another? In other words, if I had two bottles and sighted one of them in for a days hunting, would my zero change when using the second one? Thanks!
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Msg. 270545  Posted by peter huppertz on August 01, 2000 at 00:33:33:

In Reply to: Stupid (?) scope question posted by Chris on August 01, 2000 at 00:09:57:

Russ's question is a bit cryptic. What he means to uncover is: are you using a standard scope mount on a BSA Supersports?

In that case, the answer is pretty simple: get a BSA mount, and Russ is gonna tell you which one from the top of his mind fer shoor;-)

peter
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Msg. 270544  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 00:30:42:

In Reply to: Re: reminds me of the saying... posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 21:26:14:

nt
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Msg. 270543  Posted by Steve Maher on August 01, 2000 at 00:25:02:

In Reply to: Re: Sheridan Blue Streak impulse purchase posted by Quack on July 31, 2000 at 20:51:29:

Hi Paul,

You mentioned you had a Blue Streak with hold-down safety, in a post yesterday. Would you consider selling it? I had one as a kid, and would love to relive some boyhood memories. Plus, my 11-year-old son is getting to the age where he's outgrowing his Crosman 760, and I wouldn't mind if he learned on the same gun Dad did.

Thanksm
Steve Maher ondeck35@hotmail.com

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Msg. 270542  Posted by Bill on August 01, 2000 at 00:23:34:

In Reply to: frog poppin posted by Andrew on July 31, 2000 at 16:45:05:

My grandfather used a pump-up Benjamin air pistol to "stun" the bullfrogs with. He was evidently pretty good at it and would keep the frogs alive until he had gotten a nice mess of them and would invite some of the neighbors over for frog legs.
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Msg. 270541  Posted by fredc on August 01, 2000 at 00:23:31:

In Reply to: Re: GOOD NEWS! SCHEDULING WORKED OUT. ORSA FT THIS SATURDAY!! posted by Alex/Wi on August 01, 2000 at 00:19:12:

I was defiitely po'd. Funny how quickly those ads disappeared.
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Msg. 270540  Posted by racer162 on August 01, 2000 at 00:23:20:

In Reply to: Re: Oak Ridge Field Target Matches Cancelled Until Further Notice posted by fredc on July 31, 2000 at 21:58:50:

i must be missing something, like a web address
for these F.T. locations. i am new to all this
and would love to see one. i have no idea as to
the locations of all these meets! you could
at least name the nearest large city if secrecy
is what you want! thanks!
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Msg. 270539  Posted by fredc on August 01, 2000 at 00:22:18:

In Reply to: Re: GOOD NEWS! SCHEDULING WORKED OUT. ORSA FT THIS SATURDAY!! posted by Alex/Wi on August 01, 2000 at 00:19:12:

I was defiitely po'd. Funny how quickly those ads disappeared.
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Msg. 270538  Posted by fredc on August 01, 2000 at 00:22:02:

In Reply to: Re: GOOD NEWS! SCHEDULING WORKED OUT. ORSA FT THIS SATURDAY!! posted by Alex/Wi on August 01, 2000 at 00:19:12:

I was defiitely po'd. Funny how quickly those ads disappeared.
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Msg. 270537  Posted by Steve on August 01, 2000 at 00:21:21:

In Reply to: Re: Sheridan with Hold-Down Safety posted by Quack on July 31, 2000 at 00:03:25:

Would you consider selling that Blue Streak with the hold-down safety? I had one as a kid, and would like to get an identical one for my 11-year-old son. He may even get a chance to shoot it occasionally! :^)

Steve Maher ondeck35@hotmail.com
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Msg. 270536  Posted by Alex/Wi on August 01, 2000 at 00:19:12:

In Reply to: GOOD NEWS! SCHEDULING WORKED OUT. ORSA FT THIS SATURDAY!! posted by fredc on August 01, 2000 at 00:08:55:

Fred,

What are you gonna shoot....I figger by now all your guns have been sold...hehe.
I really wished I could have called you on those sales. Glad to hear that you still have a venue.

Alex/Wi

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Msg. 270535  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 00:18:13:

In Reply to: any thought about Beeman R9 please posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 20:39:46:

Forrest: it'll do a heck of a lot better than 25 yards ! I target shoot with mine at 41 yards a lot, and it'll hold sub one inch groups pretty easily with the right pellet, at that distance. RB
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Msg. 270534  Posted by Steve Maher on August 01, 2000 at 00:15:13:

In Reply to: Sheridan with Hold-Down Safety posted by karl on July 30, 2000 at 23:20:45:

I had a Sheridan Blue Streak with the hold-down safety when I was a kid, while a friend had one with the toggle safety. He kept forgetting to push the safety down when shooting my gun, but I was well used to it-- great kids' gun.

If you decide to pass on that Silver Streak, drop me a line, OK? I'd love to relive some boyhood memories! :^)

Steve Maher ondeck35@hotmail.com

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Msg. 270533  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 00:14:09:

In Reply to: Stupid (?) scope question posted by Chris on August 01, 2000 at 00:09:57:

What rings/mounts are you using? RB
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Msg. 270532  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 00:12:31:

In Reply to: Re: any thoughts about Beeman R9 please posted by Dr.J. on July 31, 2000 at 22:00:48:

DrJ. The Scopechief is NOT spring gun rated, nor is the gold medal silhouette scope. I would avoid them. The Bushnell scopes that are safe for use on springers are, the Sportviews w AO (790039), the 4x12 and 6x18 Trophys. The Simmons Pro-Air's are OK too. Simmons also made an Airgun Competition Scope, but these seem to fare only so-so on spring guns, and were replaced by the Pro Airs. RB
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Msg. 270531  Posted by Wolf on August 01, 2000 at 00:10:19:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo Hunter 220 posted by TJ on July 31, 2000 at 22:55:04:

Well, isn't the trigger adjustable?
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Stupid (?) scope question


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Msg. 270530  Posted by Chris on August 01, 2000 at 00:09:57:

Are there scope levels and shims? I would like to level the windage and square the mount, then mount the scope with the adjustments centered. Does this make sense?
Thank you

This is what happened:

I'm trying to site in my new Burris on my BSA SS. I has that sucker adjusted all the up and to the right. It still shot low to the left. I took the mount apart and started playing around with the side set screws for windage and the..uh... whatever the thing is called on the bottom of ring. I got it shooting pretty close to one holers @10yrds but the scope is still set at its extreme.
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Msg. 270529  Posted by fredc on August 01, 2000 at 00:08:55:

In Reply to: Oak Ridge Field Target Matches Cancelled Until Further Notice posted by fredc on July 31, 2000 at 21:07:51:

I received a call a little past 11 pm. We will be able to conduct our FT match this Saturday and will probably be relocating the FT shoots to another area within the ORSA complex beginning in September. Please disregard my previous post . there will be a match this Saturday!.

fc
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Msg. 270528  Posted by JoshieCK on August 01, 2000 at 00:08:36:

I'm thinking of getting an air rifle. I love my Walther CP-88 pistol and want to get into some rifle shooting too.. (I'd also like to do a bit of rat hunting. :-D) The 2250 seems like a good gun. Any comments on it? Yes, no, this one's better, etc...? What about some facts on it? Ranges, accuracy, that type thing?
Thanks in advance for your help!
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JoshieCK
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Msg. 270527  Posted by RBest on August 01, 2000 at 00:05:07:

In Reply to: Recent happenings discretion. posted by John S. on July 31, 2000 at 21:04:05:

John: I agree. The problem is, I honestly believe that some posters simply don't give much thought to the legality of their (intended) actions. Unfortunately for them, ignorance of the law is not a recognized excuse in court. I've always recommended that gun owners (firearms or airguns)be fully versed in their local laws pertaining to said items, in addition to hunting codes. RB
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Msg. 270526  Posted by James L on August 01, 2000 at 00:04:25:

In Reply to: So why close a website about field target? N/T posted by Nik on July 31, 2000 at 15:36:58:

Well Gee nobody ever asked about a moderator for an FT airgun did they? See where its going? he doesn't want to take the chance of ANY show of impraproty. Just my opinion. he is now gone and won't be back till he gets out from under.
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Re: What company would tune my B18/B19??? NT


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Msg. 270525  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 23:57:56:

In Reply to: What company would tune my B18/B19??? NT posted by David Hawk on July 31, 2000 at 21:21:57:

David: I don't know of any at present. Regards, Russ
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Msg. 270524  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 23:54:18:

In Reply to: scope mounts posted by Ira on July 31, 2000 at 23:14:30:

StraightShooters may stock them, and PSI does carry them. RB
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Msg. 270523  Posted by James Kitching on July 31, 2000 at 23:54:12:

Shot this gun some more, again, got 1" groups with the Korean WOOIL 30 gr, and 1.5 in with C P'S
I was hoping for better from the CP's since I have a lot of em.

POI is 3.5 down and 1.5 right, consistently with the Korean 30's compared to the CP's.

I still dont have a Chrono, but both pellets will break a glass bottle at 50 yd. no problem.

I am getting about 18 shots, 3 cyinders per co2 fill, just squirting it in, no chilling, etc.
Later I will figure out the safe maximum fill.
The gun recoils a good bit compared to the Talon which does not move at all at what appear to be similar power levels. Judging from the water plumes, both shooting CP's the MIT is shooting a bit faster than the Talon with these lighter pellets.

THe trigger is the weak spot on this gun, it is hard about 5 lb. I estimate. Makes it hard for me to shoot as accurately offhand as the Talon which has a very light crisp trigger. I am going to work on it ASAP.

I have not tried the gun
with hpa yet, but it works quite well with co2.
I am not looking forward to all that pumping for just a few shots, it is as inefficient as the talon is efficient.

I will do it, bu only after I get a Chrono, in the mean time I will just use co2.

This may very well be the most powerful stock production .22 co2 gun you can get. It sure moves a lot of gas, there is no thought but to maximum power. The gun is loud and has a pronounced recoil from all the expelled gas.



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Msg. 270522  Posted by Chris on July 31, 2000 at 23:53:04:

In Reply to: Re: can anyone help me please!!! posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 19:55:39:

Aren't Theobans at 20lbs also good that 75-80 yards?
Chris
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Msg. 270521  Posted by pritam on July 31, 2000 at 23:51:45:

In Reply to: Re: PCP posted by Roland Martens on July 31, 2000 at 19:58:26:

thats what i thinking about career.....

i want power and resonable acuracy....

and my pocket allows max. 700$$

how 707 differs in .22/.25 Cal. acuracy...energy at 40 yds....?


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pritam

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Msg. 270520  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 23:51:40:

In Reply to: If you know alot about airguns please read! posted by David Hawk on July 31, 2000 at 22:14:50:

David: if all other factors mentioned seem ok (sung screws, tight mount, etc.) it could be that the scopes parallax is off. I have one such scope. The rangefinder is way off (barely used scope too- less than a year old)and when I focus it, I find the crosshairs move with slightly different head positions . To test this, mount the gun on sand bags or a benchrest and focus the objective (front bell) properly. Now- place you head in position, just lightly touching the stock with your cheek. Watch the position of your crosshair as you move your head/eye slightly left, then right, then up and down. If parallax is good, the point the center of the crosshair is aimed at shouldn't really move. If it moves, your parallax is off on the scope. Russ
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Msg. 270519  Posted by MR Bulk™ on July 31, 2000 at 23:50:03:

In Reply to: Re: Bulked Crosmans posted by Max on July 31, 2000 at 20:55:15:


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Msg. 270518  Posted by Chris on July 31, 2000 at 23:43:10:

In Reply to: scope mounts posted by Ira on July 31, 2000 at 23:14:30:

Your (I have the same one) gun requires special mounts
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Msg. 270517  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 23:42:49:

In Reply to: FFL Dealers: Recommended Airgun Distributors? posted by Dr. J. on July 31, 2000 at 22:17:54:

FFL dealer for airguns? Do you live in NJ? RB
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Re: THEOBEN ELIMINATOR .22 (CM III). LEAD/LUBRICANT DEPOSIT IN THE BORE AFFECT ACCURACY: HERE HOW I’VE SOLVED THIS PROBLEM.


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Msg. 270516  Posted by TJ on July 31, 2000 at 23:39:38:

In Reply to: THEOBEN ELIMINATOR .22 (CM III). LEAD/LUBRICANT DEPOSIT IN THE BORE AFFECT ACCURACY: HERE HOW I’VE SOLVED THIS PROBLEM. posted by ROBERTO on July 31, 2000 at 09:49:31:

Excellent post Roberto. I too have the Crow in .22

I have been shooting Kodiaks exclusively with very good results 1/2" to 3/4" at 50 yds. I purchased a box of 625 premiers some months ago, but have not shot them for fear of barrel leading. I have cleaned my barrel once since I have had the gun. Not so much as it needed it, but after reading Tom's June article, I wanted to see if it improved accuracy. It did not.

You have put a lot of effort into finding a solution to the problem of increasing accuracy without barrel cleaning. You are to be commended for your efforts.

I will locate some CRC and give the premiers a try. I hope it substantially improves the accuracy. Otherwise, I can't see continually going through the effort. I am happy with the performance of the Kodiaks.

Also, I know you are aware, but others should also know how hold sensitive this gun is. It is VERY important to use the correct hold and be consistant.

Thanks again. I'll let you know how the CRC/premiers work in my crow.


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Re: Talon vs. other PCP's


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Msg. 270515  Posted by Sloop on July 31, 2000 at 23:35:50:

In Reply to: Talon vs. other PCP's posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 21:08:56:

Gary:
The Talon is a cool looking gun, but not a tack driver. Reasonably accurate to maybe 35-40 yards in most cases, although some Talons seem to perform much better and others much worse. Springer type accuracy, maybe. Not even close to accuracy you can get from other PCP guns like a Career or BSA S-10. Still, theres not much else in that price/weight/size range. And it's almost worth it to hear your friends go "ooohhh" when you bring it out as it has some sex appeal. In fact, most of my friends/relatives would rather shoot the Talon for its looks, even if they can't hit much with it. It's a fun little gun, and all I'm saying is to be realistic about what you expect in terms of performance.
Sloop
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Msg. 270514  Posted by Simon Slick on July 31, 2000 at 23:33:29:

In Reply to: Resident Skunk under my kids play structure. posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 11:50:26:

Soak an old rag with amonia and stuff it in the hole. This will also work getting groundhogs out of their holes. Good luck. SSlick
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Re: need help on scope stuff please!!!!!!!!!!!


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Msg. 270513  Posted by Rex Mills on July 31, 2000 at 23:29:50:

In Reply to: need help on scope stuff please!!!!!!!!!!! posted by matt on July 31, 2000 at 21:07:39:

I've been off line for a while so it's nice to be back. I've got 4 of the WTC's, one on a Saver 505 and one sitting on an HW 77. I've only fired a couple hundred pellets through the 77 since mounting the Simmons and no problems yet. The 77, actually an older Marksman 60, is a pussy cat in the recoil dept. so the scope may last forever. On a co2 or pcp gun the scope is great and at $99.00 a heck of a bargain. If money is an issue and the gun you plan on using the WTC is not a heavy recoiler try the Simmons. If not take a look at the Bushnell Trophy's or a Swift. Later..Rex
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Re: Well the Dave G stocked Career Carbine is getting close to finished...


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Msg. 270512  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on July 31, 2000 at 23:23:50:

In Reply to: Re: Well the Dave G stocked Career Carbine is getting close to finished... posted by Jon F. on July 31, 2000 at 21:57:37:

Jon, Yes you could do that on the lever, matter of fact that is what Dave did to get one ready for a match on short notice.

As far as pricing goes, contact Dave Goldfarb on roughed in, completely finished and somewhere in between. The deal I had with Dave did not include a normal purchase, so I do not know the price Dave is asking.

This is Daves's email addy DGoldwv@aol.com

Marty
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Msg. 270511  Posted by James Kitching on July 31, 2000 at 23:22:01:

In Reply to: WHAT? posted by Pepi on July 31, 2000 at 22:59:38:

B18 or B21 with BKL mount, the smaller one will work on the B18, the large one on the B21,
BSA 4x32 OA or NOA scope.
The B18 will get you in at around $200 for all this, the B21 a bit more.
This is the most accuracy and power you can get for this money with a good but low cost scope.
Don't use a cheap Tasco 2 piece scope mount to save a few $, you will regret it, might not ever get the zero to hold if you do.
Just my opinion of course, sure you will get other advice.

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Msg. 270510  Posted by Ira on July 31, 2000 at 23:14:30:

I have a BSA SS and want to put a Bushnell sportview 3+9=32 AO on it. I have heard good thing and bad things about this scope. My only problem now is scope mounts. Are any of the scope mounts available straight shooters good for this gun and this scope and if not where would some inexpensive but good scopemounts be.


Thanks Ira


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Re: Yup another Career story


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Msg. 270509  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on July 31, 2000 at 23:14:22:

In Reply to: Yup another Career story posted by MarkD on July 31, 2000 at 21:52:50:

Mark, what your Dad referred to as a warble, is in fact the pocket under the skin cause by the larva of the Botfly. I know it looks gross, but I have been told (by a Veternarian) that the Botfly larva does not cause anything harmful to the host Squirrel or Rabbit, as far as the animal being edible.

Even though the season is in here also for Squirrel I don't shoot them this time of year for that very reason, just takes the appetite away. Wait for cold weather, and they will be Botfly free.

HTH
Marty
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Msg. 270508  Posted by jr99 on July 31, 2000 at 23:12:23:

In Reply to: frog poppin posted by Andrew on July 31, 2000 at 16:45:05:


If you come to Hawaii You can shoot all the cane toads you want. They don't have a brain much bigger than a BB and if you don't hit them right they'll live. Even 22cal from my harrier is a hard kill.
Aloha John
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Msg. 270507  Posted by Penn on July 31, 2000 at 23:11:36:

In Reply to: Daisy .22 pellets posted by Mike on July 31, 2000 at 19:40:49:

I picked up a tin of the Daisy .22 wadcutters (flat-faced... I stay away from pointed tips) at Wal-Mart, as I was running low on Marksman FTS. These pellets loaded well, and shot very well to boot. My 2250 is a MAC-1 with bolt extension that aids feeding, and perhaps thats why I didn't notice any feed problems. I had also lubed the entire tin with FP10. With my results, I'll probably buy more, and they come in a nifty screw top tin... worth keeping to store other brands of pellets.

If you bought the pointed tip, try the wadcutters. You might find that you like them.

Later,
Penn
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Re: Talon vs. other PCP's


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Msg. 270506  Posted by James Kitching on July 31, 2000 at 23:08:03:

In Reply to: Talon vs. other PCP's posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 21:08:56:

Accuracy and build quality are first rate. Lightweight. Perfect CNC machined, tough anodizing. Very efficient, more so than most if not all other similar guns due to its inline coaxial construction and simplicity. Quiet too at medium power levels with the new 18" Lothar Walther match barrel.

Trigger on late production guns is good, can be very easily lightened if desired.

You can shoot a long time at medium power levels, 800 fps or so, (100 shots) between fillings.

Safety needs modifying to be safe. Easy to do.

IF you like the AR15, you will probably like the Talon, if you hate the AR15 and love the M14 and Garand, you will probably hate it.

Fun Supply review at url below

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Msg. 270505  Posted by jr99 on July 31, 2000 at 23:01:38:

In Reply to: looking to buy good long range pellet gun for target shooting willing to pay 300+$$$ posted by Forrest Duncan on July 31, 2000 at 17:21:09:


Whats long range to you.?
What quality and reliability do you want?
Will you be also wanting a scope?
Aloha John
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Msg. 270504  Posted by Pepi on July 31, 2000 at 22:59:38:

If you was going to spend around 200.00 for a springer with a decent scope... what would you buy?

Thanks
Pepi
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Re: Gamo Hunter 220


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Msg. 270503  Posted by TJ on July 31, 2000 at 22:55:04:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo Hunter 220 posted by Wolf on July 31, 2000 at 16:18:28:

The trigger has alot of creep, you pullllll a long
distance and then the second stage lets go. Its not very crisp.
TJ
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I'll try again....sheridan intermount and buckhorn open


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Msg. 270502  Posted by Jim Slomski on July 31, 2000 at 22:54:15:

Gentlemen,
I have read previously on this websight concerns
about using sheridan factory intermounts for scopes, and the problems possible with leaving
the factory open "buckhorn" rear sight attached
to the barrel. The main concerns I have, is the
possibility of causing the barrel to detatch from
the Piston tube. As stated previously, I have a
friend, that swears by sheridan factory after
market products.
Can any of you give me insights as to the negatives of keeping or using these attachments?
I told him of the forum, and he might be an
insighter, but, unfortunately, dosen't have a
computer. I would like your feedback, so I can
save it on my machine, and educate him.
Thanks,
Jim
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Msg. 270501  Posted by James Kitching on July 31, 2000 at 22:53:18:

In Reply to: supermax 1000 posted by newbie on July 31, 2000 at 22:44:12:

url below

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Msg. 270500  Posted by jon on July 31, 2000 at 22:52:45:

In Reply to: Re: Daisy .22 pellets are JUNK posted by Mike on July 31, 2000 at 21:43:02:

Hey, keep the tin, just throw away the pellets. That way its not a total loss! :) LOL
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Msg. 270498  Posted by David R. Heald on July 31, 2000 at 22:51:57:

I have a like new theoben Classic in .22 cal. with Marksman 4x12x40 scope and pump. perfect. Less than 200 pellets. BEST OFFER
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Msg. 270497  Posted by Brian on July 31, 2000 at 22:49:20:

In Reply to: Pyramid air posted by john on July 30, 2000 at 22:35:47:

Ordered my Webley Patriot from Josh. It trashed 3 Webley scopes before I figured out how to tighten them down, I would take the blame here. Josh backed EVERY SINGLE ONE of them up with replacement and eventually a FULL REFUND. You can deal with Josh in complete confidence.
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Msg. 270496  Posted by James Kitching on July 31, 2000 at 22:48:31:

In Reply to: If you know alot about airguns please read! posted by David Hawk on July 31, 2000 at 22:14:50:

url below
You will likely find your problem listed here.
Applues to all spring guns

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Msg. 270495  Posted by newbie on July 31, 2000 at 22:44:12:

give me the lowdown on the supermax 1000
power, durability , shooting smoothness and ill be using it for small game hunting and pest control
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Msg. 270494  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on July 31, 2000 at 22:40:56:

In Reply to: If you know alot about airguns please read! posted by David Hawk on July 31, 2000 at 22:14:50:

There are a number of possible causes.

1. If the scope can be sighted in for a single session of a bunch of shots without Point OF Impact (POI) changes, then the scope is probably ok.

2. The scope mount could be lose, but that would also result in POI shift with each or every few shots.

3. Loose stock screws could be the problem.

4. Changes in hold could be the problem as some guns are very hold sensitive.

5. Environmental changes such as heat humidity could affect day to day POI changes.

6. It could even be as simply as using different pellets, but I am sure thought of this.

Start with the above, especially the stock screws.

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Msg. 270493  Posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 22:38:27:

In Reply to: If you know alot about airguns please read! posted by David Hawk on July 31, 2000 at 22:14:50:

David, sounds like the airgun poped the scope..that said you didnt say what gun its on..if its a springer then im betting one of two things the rings arent tight enough and the scopes slipping or the two way recoil on the springer 9 if its a spinger) killed the scope..non airgun scope can get killed pretty fast even on a cheap springer
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Msg. 270492  Posted by thom on July 31, 2000 at 22:36:39:

In Reply to: need help on scope stuff please!!!!!!!!!!! posted by matt on July 31, 2000 at 21:07:39:

Not rated for springers, so if your wanting to use it on a springer. cross your fingers
thom
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Msg. 270491  Posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 22:30:55:

In Reply to: R1 air rifle posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 18:18:55:

Forrest, it depends who sells it but a fat middle on the R1 is around $350 if you spend extra on better grained wood sellect group and if you get ascope at the same time it can jump to $600+ i have a trophy on mine with a 40mm lens and its size works out well..a 50mm might be to big..guess it depends on what you like. ive not tryed a simmons so i dont know if it will work or not
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Msg. 270490  Posted by Tom @ Buzzard Bluff on July 31, 2000 at 22:28:41:

In Reply to: Thanks fellow pumpers posted by JimH on July 31, 2000 at 21:52:53:

Just one addition Jim. Do leave a couple of pumps in the gun when storing it, but don't leave it cocked. You may be lucky and have a gun which doesn't have to be cocked before you can pump it, but if not, lower the hammer for storage by holding back on the bolt while releasing the trigger. Hammer springs will lose strength just the same as the powerplant in a springer if left compressed for long periods. This is one of the things you should check when looking at a used pumper too. The hammer and spring should release all the stored air when it is pumped to the recommended limit. If you can recock the gun and it still has air when you release the trigger it will need a new hammer spring. HTH, Tom @ Buzzard Bluff
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Msg. 270489  Posted by DOUGLAS CLARK on July 31, 2000 at 22:28:01:

In Reply to: You do not want Airgunner or Airgun World, trust me. posted by peter huppertz on July 29, 2000 at 09:43:24:

When you consider the US side of airgun reporting - no color pics, one authority covering all the airguns or if you check the other alternative which comes out a bi-monthly basis only, the UK rags win hands down! Even the advertisers' ads are a topic themselves every month.

Can't get enough of those funky fonts and the hunting stories. Never cared about the reviews themselves tho as long as you get a fair idea of how the gun works I am satisfied.

my 2 cents


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Msg. 270488  Posted by Jim G. on July 31, 2000 at 22:27:09:

In Reply to: Oak Ridge Field Target Matches Cancelled Until Further Notice posted by fredc on July 31, 2000 at 21:07:51:


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Msg. 270487  Posted by Dr. J. on July 31, 2000 at 22:17:54:

I've used Jerry's (JSC), Ron Shirk, and Bill Hick's for purchasing airguns and found Bill Hicks to generally have the best specials. Who do other FFL dealers recommend for airguns? Thanks. Dr.J.
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Msg. 270486  Posted by David Hawk on July 31, 2000 at 22:14:50:

I'm having trouble with my scope, its a Tasco 3-9 scope. It was pretty cheap and I'm sorta finding out why. I've already sighted it in five times. See my problem is I sight it in go put the gun away until I need it. Then when I go to use it for hunting its shooting off. So I go back shoot at some targets and its shooting far to the left. How come whenever I go to use the darn thing its off when I know it was shooting right the day before? Is there any advice you experts could give me. Anything would be appreciated! Thanks!

P.S.Its a B18, I'm very dissappointed in it so far
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Msg. 270485  Posted by MarkD on July 31, 2000 at 22:13:42:

In Reply to: frog poppin posted by Andrew on July 31, 2000 at 16:45:05:

I read that post. I do agree that "if" he was shooting frogs for no reason is wastefull but the story I read could have gone either way maybe the frogs legs are in a freezer right now or maybe in a skillet. We realy do not know, do we???
MarkD
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Msg. 270484  Posted by Steve B. on July 31, 2000 at 22:03:09:

In Reply to: Daisy .22 pellets posted by Mike on July 31, 2000 at 19:40:49:

Mike: Don't be too hasty. I've tried Gammo and Daisy pellets (in .177) and as noted they are oversized (.001" or so). There's nothing wrong with them they are just a bit larger than Crosman Premeirs which in turn are a bit larger then Copperhead Domes etc etc. If you have a gun with a bit larger bore they may be fine.

I don't have anything they do shoot well in except a Crosman 187 with a really screwed up bore and in this gun they do shoot better than Crosman pellets - this isn't saying much. This 187 is spraying lead into about a 1 1/4" group and the Daisy's are only about 1". I think in this case they're straws in a raging sea eh? I've been looking for some Daisy/Gammo .22 myself to try in a really crappy Cr 1400 I've got.

I'd hang on to them, you never know when they just might work in something. They alway good for trying out in a new gun. Good luck...

HTH - Steve B.
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Msg. 270483  Posted by Ray Pyke on July 31, 2000 at 22:03:03:

In Reply to: any thoughts about Beeman R9 please posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 20:39:52:

nt
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Msg. 270482  Posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 22:01:07:

In Reply to: Re: Talon vs. other PCP's posted by Roland Martens on July 31, 2000 at 21:57:25:

Yes, thanks forgot that one.
Gary
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Msg. 270481  Posted by Dr.J. on July 31, 2000 at 22:00:48:

In Reply to: any thoughts about Beeman R9 please posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 20:39:52:

My general advice on riflescopes is to avoid high power and large objective diameters when buying inexpensive scopes. It is more difficult to make a high quality scope with a 50 mm objective than to make a high quality scope with a 40 mm objective. Furthermore, higher magnification reveals shortcommings in lenses which may cause you to stay at the lower powers on an inexpensive scope. I use some inexpensive 1.75 - 5 x 20 mm and 2 - 7 x 32 mm scopes on .22 long rifle firearms with success but have been totally unsatisfied with 4 - 12 x 40 mm scopes from the same manufacturers. Simmons makes scopes ranging from cheaply made to rugged scopes with spectacular optics. Their 6.5 - 20 x 44 mm AO TGT Gold Medal Silhouette is sharper than my Leupold 3.5 - 10 x 50mm TGT and my B&L Elite 4000 2.5 - 10 x 40, which are both fine scopes. I'd look at the Bushnell Trophy 4 - 12 x 40 mm AO as a good, midpriced value. 50 mm scopes place the line of sight high above the bore. If you can live with this, check out the Bushnell Scopechief 4 - 14 x 50 which is rugged and has bright, sharp optics. Good luck. Dr.J.
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Msg. 270480  Posted by fredc on July 31, 2000 at 21:58:50:

In Reply to: Re: Oak Ridge Field Target Matches Cancelled Until Further Notice posted by Jim G. on July 31, 2000 at 21:27:49:

Hi Jim,

I appreciate your willingness to help out. It is highly political at the moment. It is truly astonishing the length that some will go to in an effort to avoid letting a new shooting discipline share the facility. Especially in the wake of all the anti-gun sentiment abundant even here in East Tennessee. This turf war has been waging ever since we conducted our FT first match in May and has been increasing in ferocity. I personally met with the archery club in a separate meeting to try to reach an understanding but was treated with open hostility. The rifle and pistol club is wanting me to look at alternative locations within the ORSA complex. This would involve getting board approval once an alternative and FT worthy site was found due to a possible disruption of other shooting events at the complex. The 3D site is not that heavily used and is the perfect location barring the whining and complaining. Simply a case of Romper Room shananigans(? spelling)

fc
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Msg. 270479  Posted by Jon F. on July 31, 2000 at 21:57:37:

In Reply to: Well the Dave G stocked Career Carbine is getting close to finished... posted by Marty Silver Streak on July 31, 2000 at 20:05:09:

How much was it? How much will they be totaly finished?

I don't own a Career yet(need $200 more!). But I was looking at my printout collection and was wondering if you could just cut of the big loop part of the lever so all that is left is the trigger guard part of the lever and just use that as the lever? How far is the lever throw?

Thanks!
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Msg. 270478  Posted by Roland Martens on July 31, 2000 at 21:57:25:

In Reply to: Talon vs. other PCP's posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 21:08:56:

Did you read the review by Tom Gaylord?

http://airgunletter.net/~talon/index.html

Regards
Roland
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Msg. 270477  Posted by JimH on July 31, 2000 at 21:52:53:

In Reply to: Re: Sheridan Blue Streak impulse purchase posted by Greg Fischer on July 31, 2000 at 20:46:08:

Thanks for all the great advice and prompt replies. I'm normally just a "lurker". You've made my day.

JimH
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Msg. 270476  Posted by MarkD on July 31, 2000 at 21:52:50:

I was outside enjoying a perfect evening tonight shooting the Career .22 and the Harrier.22 both guns shoot fantastic especialy when that evil force of nature (wind or even a breeze)is not present!!
Now keep in mind I am trying to practice self control (practice of not shooting too much) for I am waiting on my next shipment of pellets to arive it should arive wed. You just do not know how hard it is to limit one self to a mere 150 pellets a day!!!
Well while I was sitting there not shooting (I was starting to break into a sweat and break out in rashes) I noticed movement in a tree that I know is 30 yards away. With Career in hand, looking in scope I see that it is a squirrel lurking about. I followed it through the scope waiting for the right moment (dagone thing to hold still in a place with no OBSTRUCTIONS) I began thinking about regulators and the ever so popular quote "FT guns need regulators Hunting guns do not"
As I followed it I started argueing with my self about this very issue. I ask myself how could this be. The FT challange is really a simulation of hunting. Precision shooting is required in both sports, undetermined distances are in each sport, tiny little kill areas are common of both.
So as I followed the thing I started wishing I had a reg in my gun (simply to take advantage of every possible accuracy aid I can) Finaly it decsended from the tree top sneaking down the trunk stopping every so often as it got close to the ground it stopped for good The last thought it had through its tiny little brain was infact a non regulated 930 fps .22 cal premier.
upon examination I found for the second time in a row a "Warble" ( this is what my Dad a retired vet called it. I am not sure of the spelling) These things are gross!
On the first one I noticed a large lump on its chest with a black dot in the center with some sort of leakeage coming from it. Well I set it down and continued hunting. Later when I looked down at it I noticed movement from the large lump now I was staring at it watching some sort of creature crawling out of my prize posession this thing was the size of a large Blackberry it looked huge comming out of this small animal (yes all kinds of scary movies came to mind)
Of all the squierrls I have shot and cleaned why is that now 2 in a row have this thing growing in them?? Can any of you shed some light on this??

MarkD

ps Normaly I clean and cook my game but these did not make it back to the house!!
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Msg. 270475  Posted by Jon on July 31, 2000 at 21:49:27:

In Reply to: need help on scope stuff please!!!!!!!!!!! posted by matt on July 31, 2000 at 21:07:39:

It's a Simmons. Fine scope for the money but will probably get a bit fuzzy when you turn the magnification(sp?) up. MOA is short for minute of angle. 1/4 minute is very close to 1/4 inch at 100 yards.
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Msg. 270473  Posted by Mike on July 31, 2000 at 21:43:02:

In Reply to: Daisy .22 pellets are JUNK posted by tg on July 31, 2000 at 20:21:45:

Well, that 'splains it. Oh well, live and learn. Into the garbage they go...

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Msg. 270472  Posted by Ken Swicegood on July 31, 2000 at 21:40:50:

In Reply to: any thoughts about Beeman R9 please posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 20:39:52:

I've had my R9 for 2 weeks now. I ordered mine from Pomona Air Guns for 235.00 + s&h. It is my first "adult" air rifle. I love this gun and am still amazed at the tight groups.Mine is topped with a 4X sportview but I ordered the Bushnell Banner 4x12x40 AO today. I chose the R9 because of the advice of others on this message board and am completely satisfied with it.I can cover 3 shot groups at 35 yds. with my thumbnail.Good luck.
Ken
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Msg. 270471  Posted by Dr.J. on July 31, 2000 at 21:36:49:

In Reply to: Sightron scopes OK for airguns... posted by SteelEye on July 31, 2000 at 21:19:03:

What is Sightron's phone#? Dr.J.
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Msg. 270470  Posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 21:34:32:

In Reply to: Daisy .22 pellets posted by Mike on July 31, 2000 at 19:40:49:

the daisy pointed field pellets, (which are really re packaged gamo pellets) have a tight fit in my gun, they still shoot though (kind of, they group (HORRIBLY)
-john
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Msg. 270469  Posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 21:31:09:

In Reply to: HW80?? posted by Jose M on July 31, 2000 at 21:27:37:

Jose-
I think most of the beemans are supertuned/slightly modified/different stock versions of the Weihrauch HW's. pyramid air (www.pyramidair.com) sells alot of HW's, they might have the fps.
-john
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Msg. 270467  Posted by Jim G. on July 31, 2000 at 21:27:49:

In Reply to: Oak Ridge Field Target Matches Cancelled Until Further Notice posted by fredc on July 31, 2000 at 21:07:51:

Fred,

Sorry to hear of the problem, how can I help?
I was just getting into FT and your efforts in setting up the course and all the work you did is truly appreciated. Is there someone I can e-mail to express our disappointment and disgust at the decision not to allow airguns on the sacred archery course? Do you know of any other locals that would allow a course set-up?
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Msg. 270466  Posted by Jose M on July 31, 2000 at 21:27:37:

Hi,

The hw80 is the european version of the r1??, what is real FP
at the muzzle of the hw80 fac version (22 cal)??.Thx in advance.
Regards

Jose M
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Msg. 270465  Posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 21:26:14:

In Reply to: reminds me of the saying... posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:58:34:

Anyone who isn't a paranoid skitszophrenic now-a-days... just isn't thinking clearly.

Stocky
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Msg. 270464  Posted by GLT on July 31, 2000 at 21:24:44:

In Reply to: Daisy .22 pellets are JUNK posted by tg on July 31, 2000 at 20:21:45:

It depends on the airgun. I've been using Daisy pointed pellets with three pumps in my Sharp to kill sparrows in my sweetcorn, 25 to 35 yards. Killed 16 in a row, 17th one flew just as I pulled the trigger. The wadcutters produce one pellet size groups at ten meters all day long. The Sharp is the only rifle I have seen that will shoot nearly any pellet with equal accuracy. Even my HW55 doesn't like the Crosman and Daisy pointed pellets (.177), but it shoots nearly anything else accurately.
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Msg. 270463  Posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 21:24:16:

In Reply to: - - - - HELP- - - - posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 19:56:18:

thanks,
i just pushed to bolt foward realy hard, and the pellet went in the chamber. i pumped it another 7 times, fired, and got it exactly in the ten ring, making a perfect hole. (no kidding!) :)
thanks,
john
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Msg. 270462  Posted by Mike G on July 31, 2000 at 21:22:34:

In Reply to: any thought about Beeman R9 please posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 20:39:46:

I have an R10 a little bit fancier than an R9 I shoot gophers from a bench from my barn
it has a 3-9 scope the best groups I've have been getting are around 1/2 inch at 40 yds.
with a few at 50yds that is with CPs. 7.9 gr. All it's had done to it is a new seal and
better lubes. all in all a great gun. but I'll be selling it soon to buy a pcp just have to have one
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Msg. 270461  Posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 21:22:03:

In Reply to: Re: Proud to be an American and Shoot a Streak! posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 21:16:33:

The gun is great and shoots hard but is a little loud.
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Msg. 270460  Posted by David Hawk on July 31, 2000 at 21:21:57:


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Msg. 270459  Posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 21:19:42:

In Reply to: Sheridan Blue Streak impulse purchase posted by JimH on July 31, 2000 at 20:32:12:

As everyone else says lube all the joints with oil every 500 shots. This gun I shoot Ben/Sher diablos (red box) they are the same as cp's in looks and size. The diablos are good for all and I see no need for the pointed ones. A scope with long eye relief is good or a small red dot scope if you preffer. I have a 3-9 mounted on mine and I put the butt of the gun between my leggs , grasp above the trigger with left hand and with right hand pull down. The peep is great and one last thing about the scope is it adds lots of weight to a light gun.
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Msg. 270458  Posted by SteelEye on July 31, 2000 at 21:19:03:

from the horses mouth. I called to day and they said no-problem.

They will focus very close, down to around 6'-8'.
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Msg. 270457  Posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 21:16:33:

In Reply to: Proud to be an American and Shoot a Streak! posted by Greg Fischer on July 31, 2000 at 20:35:24:

I have a new Sheridan. I guess it's about 4 months old maybe a little more. I can't complane about the way it shoots either. Bench rest at 25 yards using CP's 8 pumps and a Williams peep I put 5 of 6 shots in a 3/4" bull this afternoon. The sixth shot was close. A dead Crow for sure. My problem is my eyes. They tend to go blurry after a bit. If I can see em Dan el hit em.

Gary
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Msg. 270456  Posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 21:08:56:

I have read the posts from Jim and Mac1 on the Talon. Has anyone had the chance to shoot it with some of the other PCP's like the Carrier and the others? Sounds like it has some advantages over the others but I was wondering about how it is in the real world. Is it built to last? I realize it's a single shot but was more interested in accuracy and quality. Anyone exp. the Talon and another PCP or two? Is it worth serious consideration?

Thanks

Gary
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Msg. 270455  Posted by fredc on July 31, 2000 at 21:07:51:


I am sorry to report that ORSA field target has been put on indefinite hold. The problem stems from deliberate scheduling conflicts on the field target site. The site is shared by the 3D club and the mere thought of having the facility used by us air rifle shooters one day out of the month is too much for a few of the more prominent archers to bear. Hence, a turf war that is ridiculous to say the least is being waged. Curently, I am the only active ORSA member that is promoting field target. I am at a significant disadvantage going up against many archers including a couple who are ORSA board members. Please pass this information along to any fellow FT'ers who might be planning a trip to Oak Ridge.

Regards,

fc

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Msg. 270454  Posted by matt on July 31, 2000 at 21:07:39:

ok please tell me if this is a good scope.It is a simmons white tail clasic 6.5-20x50mm AO Truplex Reticle scope with matte granite finish and a 1/4 moa windage for $99.99 please also tell me what moa meens please thank you
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Msg. 270453  Posted by John S. on July 31, 2000 at 21:04:05:

I am continually surprised to hear posters admit to committing crimes or of their intent to commit crimes.

This forum is not private, and anyone can read your postings. If you think that doesn't include law enforcement, you are sadly mistaken. Furthermore, if a law enforcement official were to drop in and see something of interest, you can be sure that it wouldn't take all that long for them to figure out how to 'get in touch' with the poster of interest.

Now, it's not real likely that an airgun site is going to be a high-interest target for a sting operation, but why should we be constantly tempting fate? The silly thing is that it is not just possible, but really easy, to enjoy our sport without pushing the limits of the law.

I'm not trying to cramp anyone's style, but it doesn't ever hurt to use a little discretion.
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Msg. 270452  Posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 21:03:07:

In Reply to: I've also heard of a Crosman model 1100 Trapmaster......nt posted by Steve T on July 31, 2000 at 17:50:30:

Crosman 1100 do you have a link for the picture?
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Msg. 270451  Posted by bearridge on July 31, 2000 at 21:00:14:

In Reply to: Plowed the road (there must be a full moon out tonight) posted by The Airgun Letter on July 31, 2000 at 19:19:53:


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Msg. 270450  Posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 20:58:04:

In Reply to: Sheridan Blue Streak impulse purchase posted by JimH on July 31, 2000 at 20:32:12:

Well I guess we could write a book here, hugh?

Let me just go down the list and start from there.

1. Lube all moveing parts with Pelgun oil often with the exception of the piston just lightly maybe one drop every 250 to 500 rounds.
2. Yes, if you want to enjoy your Sheridan for years to come 8 pumps is the recomemedation.(in stock form)
3. Yes, it can be left for a time without worry. I wouldn't leave it overnight however.
4. People will argue about that one. I personaly use a Williams peep sight. For the distances you will be effectively shooting the Sheridan 25 to 30 yards the peep in my opinion is the way to go. People on the list have use and like the scopes but I think they would be a pain.
5. IMHO the peep is the way to go. I think they are about 22 bucks at Toller. Nice little peep

I was told to always leave a couple of pumps in the rifle while not in use. This keeps the seals right.
I am shooting 3/4" groups bench rested at 25 yards. I also found that after a couple hundred rounds your poi may change and your Sheridan may want a different diet. I went from Kodiak's to CP's almost instantly at the range one day. Since then she shoots CP's great!!

Have a great time with you new rifle. I really like mine.

HTH

Gary
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Msg. 270449  Posted by Max on July 31, 2000 at 20:55:15:

In Reply to: Bulked Crosmans posted by Mac1 on July 31, 2000 at 14:52:36:

The 2240/50 featured in Mr. Bulk's webpage uses a fake powerlet. There is no air pressure between the end cap and the valve assembly. It has a built-in ON/OFF valve so don't have to detatch the bottle when storing the gun.
A new version with pressure guage will be out soon.
Stay tuned.
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Msg. 270448  Posted by Bill on July 31, 2000 at 20:55:15:

In Reply to: Re: Where did Kathy go? Did she finish the chapters? (nt) posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 14:28:42:

Just as a follow up to this these tactics, please keep in mind that,(IMHO), this Nov election should be a one issue vote! Specifically, the RKBA. Regardless of your thoughts on abortion, taxes, PETA, DHEC, BATF etc, etc, none of this will be worth a whit if AlBore gets the job, and the RKBA is flushed. How long after that do you think the other rights will last? We've seen them in action at Ruby Ridge, Waco, Miami! Multipy those by 1,000 or so. Folks, this just may be our last chance; don't let the veep get it!!!!
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Msg. 270447  Posted by Quack on July 31, 2000 at 20:51:29:

In Reply to: Sheridan Blue Streak impulse purchase posted by JimH on July 31, 2000 at 20:32:12:

Hey Jim, sounds like ya got yourself a heck of a deal! I'll try to answer your questions as best as possible. Use a few drops of Pel-gun oil(Crosman product) or MAC-1's secret sauce. 8 pumps is the recommended max and you can leave it pumped up for at least 3 hours at 8 pumps. I'd say more but not sure how it would effect the long term effects. Keep 1-2 pumps in when storing the gun as it helps the seals from drying out. Scopes do interfere with the pumping mechanics and with that in mind I would get the Williams peep site made for this gun. This peep site really made my Blue Streak that much more enjoyable. I have tried Premiers, Beeman FTS's and Crow Mags with good results. I am getting about 12.4 ft-lbs out of mine. Hope this helps ya out.
Paul in MI
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Msg. 270446  Posted by ben on July 31, 2000 at 20:50:57:

In Reply to: ? What was this thread about? (nt) posted by R Yost in St. Louis on July 31, 2000 at 17:46:19:

Once upon a time there was a gal named Kathy that wrote ever so eloguently about her experiences as a newbie airgunner. Her "series" was some of the most entertaining airgun reading I've done in a while, besides the newbies taking cheap swipes at each other here (see Mac1 bulk post).

The intended target was a squirrel that ate her sunflowers & made a general nuisance of itself...sort of what it takes a squirrel to get dispatched in my yard. Towards the very end, some little bunny hugger raised it's ugly head & plumb spooked her. So now we will never know how it ended... complete & total bummer.

...ben
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Msg. 270445  Posted by John S. on July 31, 2000 at 20:49:26:

In Reply to: Who sells Smith Wesson CO2 pistols - Thanks NT posted by jeffl on July 31, 2000 at 19:49:59:

Natchez Shooters Supply. 800-251-7839
Their 2000 catalog lists it from $154.95 to $224.95 depending upon barrel length and finish options.

Smith & Wesson will also sell it direct through their catalog. They wat a bit more for it as I recall. I can't confirm that since I discarded their catalog after the bit of unpleasantness a couple of months ago. I only mention it because that is the only place to buy magazines and other accessories for the pistol.
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Msg. 270444  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on July 31, 2000 at 20:49:10:

In Reply to: Sheridan Blue Streak impulse purchase posted by JimH on July 31, 2000 at 20:32:12:

Jim

1) Pump arm joints and pellets only (not in air hole)
2)Yes
3)Yes matter of fact you should leave 2-3 pumps in it when you put it up. You can leave it fully pumped up for days no problem.
4)A scope will more likely interfere with opening the bolt. I pump mine by hanging the scope between my knees and pushing down.
5)Peeps are good, if your eyes are still young.
6)Enjoy it ;-)

Marty
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Msg. 270443  Posted by Bill in NC on July 31, 2000 at 20:48:35:

In Reply to: any thoughts about Beeman R9 please posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 20:39:52:

I've had many springers, the R9 is
my favorite plinker and all around.
Lighter than the R1, RX1 series. Good
field shooter.
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Msg. 270442  Posted by Greg Fischer on July 31, 2000 at 20:46:08:

In Reply to: Sheridan Blue Streak impulse purchase posted by JimH on July 31, 2000 at 20:32:12:

Congratulations -- what a deal!!!
Lube with caution... Pellgunoil at the pivots points is a good idea, but be careful not to lube the pump tube much (if at all) or you may damage the gun. 8 pumps, yup and you prolly should leave 1-2 pumps in the gun during storage to keep dirt out and keep the seals properly formed. you can leave it pumped up all the way for hours without damage. Scopes are generally a hassle for pumping in my experience. The Williams peep made for the Streaks works very well and your rifle should be tapped to accept it (the 2 holes on the right of the receiver).
The much-maligned B/S "cylindricals" (yellow box)work very well in some of my rifles, especially the older ones... Premiers are also excellent.
Good Shooting!
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Msg. 270441  Posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 20:39:52:

I am thinking about buying the beeman R9. IT looks like a very good gun. I am going to use a simmons 6.5-20x50mm scope with it. I also want to know if that is a good scope for the gun (to powerful ect) I heard that it could hit a target 25 yards away. I just want to know if this is a good gun for plinking target shooting and pests. thank you.
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Msg. 270440  Posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 20:39:46:

I am thinking about buying the beeman R9. IT looks like a very good gun. I am going to use a simmons 6.5-20x50mm scope with it. I also want to know if that is a good scope for the gun (to powerful ect) I heard that it could hit a target 25 yards away. I just want to know if this is a good gun for plinking target shooting and pests. thank you.
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Msg. 270439  Posted by Charles on July 31, 2000 at 20:37:16:

In Reply to: Re: 5 shot rapid fire air pistols. posted by pilkguns on July 31, 2000 at 18:09:41:

Now that RWS is importing the Aeron, I am curious to
see what their service will be like. I owned a Drulov
a while back and found it to be an OK airgun. Unfortunately
I sold it before realizing how many zillion hours the previous
owner had spent bringing up to that level. Charles
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Msg. 270438  Posted by Greg Fischer on July 31, 2000 at 20:35:24:

I was "exercising" my 1950 vintage hold down safety Sheridan Silver Streak tonight in the basement at 10 meters... it shot a group worthy (almost) of a 10 meter match rifle... 3/8" c-t-c offhand with open iron sights... what a rifle! Some say the older "hold down" safety Streaks were more accurate than later versions... hmmm... maybe so! http://www.execpc.com/~katfisch/SStreakGrup.jpg

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Msg. 270437  Posted by The Airgun Letter on July 31, 2000 at 20:34:17:

In Reply to: Man day late, dollar short. Missed all the good stuff. nt posted by Joe Whittaker on July 31, 2000 at 20:14:16:

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Msg. 270436  Posted by Happy Gardener on July 31, 2000 at 20:32:18:

In Reply to: Oh no no no you don't want to shoot him, you don't. posted by Steve in CT on July 31, 2000 at 15:09:38:

I know what you mean. Victim may be able to degrub the lawn if he is feeding on lawn grubs after dark. This problem is not easy to solve.
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Msg. 270435  Posted by JimH on July 31, 2000 at 20:32:12:

A local store was closing out all display rack pellet guns at 50% off. In the rack I saw a
Sheridan Blue Streak .20 cal that seemed like a deal at $60 (half the regular retail). I bought it on impulse, not knowing much about it other than the comments that most guys on the forum like theirs. I never paid much attention to the Benjamin/Sheridan posts, after all, I was a springer man! WOW! This gun really shoots. No recoil, and smooth trigger. The 14.3 grain pellet really hits with authority too. In that it was a display model, I have no box or manual. My questions are these:
1. What, if any, lubrication?
2. Is 8 the maximum number of pumps?
3. Can it be left pumped up for a length of time (say 30 minutes) for hunting, without damage.
4. Do scopes interfere with the grip for pumping?
5. What about peep sights? I'm already shooting better groups with iron sights than with my scoped springer.
6. Anything else I should know?

JimH
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Msg. 270434  Posted by tg on July 31, 2000 at 20:21:45:

In Reply to: Daisy .22 pellets posted by Mike on July 31, 2000 at 19:40:49:

stick with Crosman pellets........
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Msg. 270433  Posted by Joe Whittaker on July 31, 2000 at 20:14:16:

In Reply to: Plowed the road (there must be a full moon out tonight) posted by The Airgun Letter on July 31, 2000 at 19:19:53:

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Msg. 270432  Posted by Steve T on July 31, 2000 at 20:13:20:

In Reply to: Let's not use animals to test terminal ballistics, OK? posted by JPO on July 31, 2000 at 19:57:02:

I only shoot pests, and even then only if it is necessary. I have nothing against hunting, but I do not personally take part in it.
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Msg. 270431  Posted by Barrel_Nut on July 31, 2000 at 20:13:20:

In Reply to: Re: Heavy / light pellet POI posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:26:14:

as a non believer of " Barrel harmonics " i'd substitute " action vibration " of which the barrel is a component.

Chronographing the MVs would isolate interior vs exterior ballistics as cause.
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Msg. 270430  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on July 31, 2000 at 20:05:09:

This weekend after receiving the roughed out stock from Dave late last week, I started the surforming and sanding in earnest. Both pieces the forearm, and the rear stock are fitted up, and finish sanded down to 320 grit.

One more step down (600 grit) and it will be ready for oil. This evening after 5 my (posted) business hours lol. I assembled the whole thing, by leaving the lever hanging down (no reshaped levers available yet) I left the forearm large and shaped the front in a long slanted S shape, the rear stock cheek I treated differently that Dave did, with more contour, and started the actual cheek area a little farther back, and also dished out the top.

I gotta tell you it transformed the Career, the feel is so good it is just unbelivable. The Cheek piece brings your eye up exactly behind the scope, and lowering the adjustable Morgan butt pad places it at just the right height while still being in exactly the right plane for your armpit.

When I get some oil on it, I will take some pictures and post them on the Dave G custom stock page at my site. I have to take regular pictures and have them digitized so it will be a bit.

If you have been hesitating getting one of his stocks, wondering just how good they are, well they are simply outstanding. I asked Dave to leave mine especially rough, as I wanted to do some different shaping of my own design, the forearm was just an inletted square block, as was the rear stock in the cheekpiece area. The basic design and relationship of fitup to the Career was the same as the pictures, and the thumbhole area was already roughed in to within 80% of final shape, just as you see on Dave's page, so the incredible funtionality of the basic design is still Dave's. It is a pure joy to hold and point and the side to side stability is simply outstanding! Pictures in a week or two.

Dave Kudos on an excellent design!!

Marty

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Msg. 270429  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 20:03:32:

In Reply to: - - - - HELP- - - - posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 19:56:18:

Got a long 1/8th" wooden dowel or a coated clothes hanger? (it should be "DEAD STRAIGHT"). RB
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Msg. 270428  Posted by Alex/Wi on July 31, 2000 at 20:03:06:

In Reply to: - - - - HELP- - - - posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 19:56:18:

John,

Gently, but forcibly push forward the bolt till it is closed. Yhe pellet lead is soft enough to deform under a little additional pressure. Then pump up the gun to it max and shoot it at a safe target zone. I shot the AG POS matches all of last year by shooting these pellets backwards in my 2250B and never had a problem, matter of fact, at 18 feet they were clean and very accurate holes.
HTH,
Alex/Wi
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Msg. 270427  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 20:00:52:

In Reply to: Hurricane Tune? posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 11:01:26:

If you wanted velocity, the .177 would have been a better choice. To get any significant velocity gain, you'd probably need to double the spring strength, which would make the gun very difficult to shoot. There is far more to a tune that a spring swap. What you propose would result in a hand held jackhammer. I imagine it would take some R&D to get the power up, along with some smoothness- to make the power usable. RB
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Msg. 270426  Posted by Roland Martens on July 31, 2000 at 19:58:26:

In Reply to: Re: PCP posted by Joe Matusic, MD on July 31, 2000 at 19:12:11:

50 ft lbs and beyond?

Would say the Career is the only one (without regulator, of course)

Regards
Roland
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Msg. 270425  Posted by JPO on July 31, 2000 at 19:57:02:

In Reply to: Re: I agree with this response... posted by MCunningham on July 31, 2000 at 19:47:37:

I have to agree with the previous posters. I'm not in the crowd that says you have to eat everything you shoot even if it's a pest or an insect, but I have to agree with the fact that wanton destruction of animals just because they go "splat" when you shoot them is, if not wrong, at least another nail in the coffin of sport hunting. Anti's need little more than a video of stuff like a P-dog hunt or stuff like the various "red mist" forums to gain lots of popular support. Think about what you are doing for a bit, then think about what others will think when you send it to a totally public forum.

Let's not make the lot of hunters any more difficult than it already is.

JPO
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Msg. 270424  Posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 19:56:18:

Ok,
I was just zeroing my Crosman 2100W with Ben-Sher Diabolo pellets in my basement about 10 minutes ago, when I dropped a pellet in the chamber. The pellet turned around when I put it in (nose towards me) and without thinking I locked the bolt. when I noticed it wouldnt close all the way, I saw that the pellet was in backwards. I dont have a cleaning rod, so I cant pop it out. Also, the gun is pumped 3 times, so my main concern is that the pressure will damage the seal or somthing. Is there any way I can relieve the pressure in the gun without pulling the trigger?
Thanks in advance,
john
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Msg. 270423  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 19:55:39:

In Reply to: can anyone help me please!!! posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 19:35:44:

Forrest: what do you consider long ranges? For hunting, airguns (springer, co2 and pumps)generally have about had it at 50 yards. Only the more potent can be used with any degree of success , out to maybe 80 yards (we're talking primarily PCP rifles now). RB
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Msg. 270422  Posted by Brian on July 31, 2000 at 19:54:37:

In Reply to: RWS " C " mount posted by Thom on July 31, 2000 at 16:12:23:

Does the RWS C-mounts have adjustments for windage and elevation
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Msg. 270421  Posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 19:53:59:

In Reply to: Re: Bulked Crosmans posted by Frank on July 31, 2000 at 19:50:14:

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Msg. 270419  Posted by Frank on July 31, 2000 at 19:50:14:

In Reply to: Bulked Crosmans posted by Mac1 on July 31, 2000 at 14:52:36:

Can you please provide further information? I'm still a bit confused. Are you referring to Mr. Bulk's style of bulk filling?

Thanks,

Frank
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Msg. 270417  Posted by MCunningham on July 31, 2000 at 19:47:37:

In Reply to: Re: frog poppin posted by Don on July 31, 2000 at 19:08:11:

I agree wholeheartedly with Don's response. When I listed my profession as a biologist (behavioral ecologist) on this forum several days ago, another poster responded with the comment that I would probably be encouraging others here to refrain from killing wildlife. I took that in the jovial spirit in which it was intended. But I have often restrained myself, on several occasions, from commenting on using wildlife as targets. It is not that I'm against shooting ANY living thing. One could argue that eliminating some starlings and house sparrows, which have excessive populations and often compete with other more desirable avian species, might be a good thing. There are, however, favorite target species (e.g. dragonflies) that do no harm and actually have ecological benefits (as another poster pointed out with respect to dragonflies). Now that frogs have become indiscriminate targets for airgunners, I must point out that amphibian populations are in serious decline worldwide. The reasons for these
declines are still being debated, and they include habitat destruction, acid precipitation, and ozone depletion (among others), but anyone that has cared enough to pay attention can observe (as Don has) the reality of the decline. One of the things that attracted me to return to airguns as an adult was the variety of challenging and entertaining non-living targets (I spent an enjoyable evening last night minisniping little green plastic army men). So, I'm not railing against hunting, or the occasional pest control - both of which are reasonable activities for both air gunners and those using firearms. Rather, I too would ask that before we indiscriminantly blow away other living things we reflect a bit on our relationship with other forms of life, and consider other target options.

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Msg. 270416  Posted by aare on July 31, 2000 at 19:45:40:

In Reply to: can anyone help me please!!! posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 19:35:44:

You might try a Diana 46 underlever. It is about that price and is very enjoyable for plinking at things.
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Msg. 270415  Posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 19:44:36:

In Reply to: can anyone help me please!!! posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 19:35:44:

I can only speak to what I own. I by no means am an expert. Since you asked I will tell you I own an R9 and love it. I don't know how you can go wrong with it. I haven't heard a bad word about them. They are worth much more that the price. It's a great rifle to start with and stay with for quite a while. I have put 6 consecutive shots in a 1/2" bull at 25 yards usin a Swift scope and FTS pellets. There are better rifles out there I'm sure but not at anywhere near the price.

HTH

Gary
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Msg. 270414  Posted by Tony Z on July 31, 2000 at 19:41:50:

In Reply to: R1 air rifle posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 18:18:55:

I have an R1 .20 cal. & love it. I bought it about a year &1\2 ago from Tom Holst (Holst Specialties) (spelling?) I believe I paid around $375 for it. I'm sure you'll get the answers you need from the guys here on the forum, but if you need his phone# & e-mail address, let me know & I'll see if I can dig it out for you. Tony
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Msg. 270413  Posted by Mike on July 31, 2000 at 19:40:49:

Ok, this may be a silly question, or maybe it isn't -- I don't know. I've been using
a Crosman 2250 for a few weeks and experimenting with different pellets. For the most part,
I restricted my experiments to Crosman pellets, primarily because they're the only ones readily
available in the sporting goods places around here. They always seem to do fine.
So anyway, I was wandering through Wal-Mart the other day, and I saw a tin of Daisy .22 cal pellets
("Max Speed" was the name,I believe). Two bucks and some change for 250 or 275 pellets -- nothing to lose, I figured.
So I bought them and brought them home. Opened the tin. One was misshapen -- no big deal. Cheap pellets, right? I grabbed
another and put it in the 2250. I slid the little bolt forward and it was too tight! I thought .22 was
.22, and that was all there was to it. I'm afraid to force it. I tried with a couple more -- same result.

So what gives? What's off? The 2250 the pellets, or none of the above?

Thanks as always for any info,
Mike

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Msg. 270412  Posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 19:35:44:

I have been looking for a good pellet gun for awhile, but i cant find one that i really like. I am looking for a gun for hunting pests target shooting and plinking at long ranges. I have looked at the beeman R1 but it is alittle out of my price range. im willing to spen 300 dollars or less. I am thinking about using a Simmons 6.5-20x50 scope. IF anyone has a good gun they know of please tell me.
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Msg. 270411  Posted by Marty Silver Streak on July 31, 2000 at 19:32:58:

In Reply to: reminds me of the saying... posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:58:34:

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Msg. 270409  Posted by jcbii on July 31, 2000 at 19:29:54:

In Reply to: Doug has a good idea posted by Willey M on July 31, 2000 at 02:07:52:

Willey,

It's funny you mention that, because I said the exact thing. I held the gun up in disbelief and said "I am amazed that this actually happened on this gun!" The mounts were on pretty tight, so I am confused about it. Still more confused about the pin working itself up and into the mount.

Thanks for the advice, though, as I will go and get a tap/die set. I don't have any, so was looking for a quick fix. I figured if just twisting a screw into the hole of the mount a little messes it up some, its really no big deal. What I would never do is anything that would damage the gun itself.

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Msg. 270408  Posted by sxp1 on July 31, 2000 at 19:29:49:

Posting for a freind....

RWS Model 52 Air-Rifle in .22 caliber with RWS Model 400 2x-7x telescopic sight
and RWS "C" mount.

Assembled and discharged 5 times. Like new. Is new. 500 count tin of .22 RWS
Super Point pellets included. All Boxes and instructions.....

$492.85 comlete outfit. Firm.

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Msg. 270407  Posted by The Airgun Letter on July 31, 2000 at 19:19:53:

In Reply to: Bulked Crosmans posted by Mac1 on July 31, 2000 at 14:52:36:

Okay, guys. Let’s try it again from the top.

Here's Tim's original message. Let's try to have a sane exchange of ideas if you have an uncontrollable urge to post a reply. But this time, act like you stood in the correct line when they were handing out instructions for how to interact with people instead of badgers (Yeah, I know - you don't need no stinking badgers).

Thank you.

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Msg. 270406  Posted by Chris on July 31, 2000 at 19:19:09:

In Reply to: Webley Vulcan posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 18:09:25:

I have a Vulcan III Carbine I would sell for $175.
It's less than a year old with about a half a tin
of 500 RWS super mags. Solid, accurate, good power level. I can't stand the trigger.
Having said that, here's my opinion.
I agree with everything Russ and Driskill said.
I have the R7. If I could have only one airgun that would it. Light, easy cocking, accurate and low recoil. An absolute joy to shoot. I also have the R6. Also a great gun. But if you want the power of a Vulcan with the quality of a R series Beeman at the price of a Vulcan get the R9. I don't have one but it probably won't be long before I do.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Msg. 270405  Posted by Doug H. on July 31, 2000 at 19:17:59:

In Reply to: Heavy / light pellet POI posted by Doug H. on July 31, 2000 at 17:32:03:

Thanks for all the input guys!

Sounds like I should go out and do some more experimenting to see what different distances and pellets will show.

I have been hiding inside as it is a bit hot for me outside, I have a/c in my computer room!

Us folks out here in the seattle area don't get a lot of heat so it is hard to get used to when it does show up!

I did shoot at 10 meters and the results were pretty much the same.

I will post when I get more info!


Doug H.
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Msg. 270404  Posted by jcbii on July 31, 2000 at 19:17:03:

In Reply to: Webley Vulcan posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 18:09:25:

John,

I have both the Webley Vulcan Carbine in .22cal, and the R7 in .177cal. They are different guns for different purposes, but I really like both of them.

I know Driskill said that the wood is more refined on the R7, but it is actually the reverse in my case. The Vulcan has better (high gloss) blueing on the metal, and a better looking stock than either my R7 or my R10 - and I might add that the R7 came with a select stock. But lets face it, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so you might disagree with me when you get a chance to compare the two.

The R7 is a much more refined gun in design, including it's two-stage trigger. The vulcan has a pretty cheesy "stamped metal" saftey, but it defaults to off, which is something I like. I don't like the funcky looking breech on the Vulcan either, but it is functional, and is not a major concern to me. I might need a decimal meter to see if there is actually a difference in sound with The DRD screwed on. I actually think it is more of a muzzlebrake which makes cocking easier on the carbine.

The Vulcan is not a magnum springer, but I feel it is effective for my range, which is 30-40yds. Though the Vulcan has a one-stage trigger, I find that I am pretty accurate with it. I am told that the heavy pull on the trigger will lessen after several tins of pellets go through the gun, but if not then there is always Dave Slade who does both master and trigger tunes on the Vulcan series of airguns. I think the Vulcan is the type of gun you would buy if you want a medium power airgun that is different (in other words, not an R9 - ha). It also comes in .22cal, which I do not believe the R9 does.

The R7 is absolutely a delight to shoot, especially in small places like a garage, since its velocity is lower with less noise. Also, I can set and cock it all day without getting tired. And the accuracy of the R7 is outstanding to me.

Just my 2cts,
jcbii
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Msg. 270403  Posted by Wolf on July 31, 2000 at 19:14:34:

In Reply to: Re: something else about the Gamo Hunter 220 posted by Sorn on July 31, 2000 at 17:24:07:

Sorn: Thank you for replying. The one I am looking at comes with the 2.5x20 scope. Would they get in the way with that scope? I wouldn't think so because Cabela's wouldn't do that to ya. But uh...thanks for your help.
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Msg. 270402  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on July 31, 2000 at 19:12:11:

In Reply to: Re: PCP posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:38:21:

Air Arms S310
Any Daystate with the Speed Loader
Falcon
Parker Hale Phoenix

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Msg. 270401  Posted by Don on July 31, 2000 at 19:08:11:

In Reply to: frog poppin posted by Andrew on July 31, 2000 at 16:45:05:

I still feel bad about "poppin'" a bunch of frogs when I was a young kid. After I did it and looked at all the dead bodies, I really regreted having killed them for no reason and I've often asked myself why I decided to do so. Did it make me feel like an adult? No, adults are more resposible and don't kill things for no reason. I guess it was the feeling of power and the subsequent feeling that I had senselessly abused that power. Today we find that with the vanishing wetlands and wildlife habitats, the frogs we took for granted are not always there. The relaxing lull of their song at night is becomming much less frequent and has disappeared in many places. If you're just looking for a target, its much more challenging to shoot paper. Shootin' fish (or in this case frogs) in a barrel is not my idea of sportsmanship.
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Msg. 270400  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 19:03:09:

In Reply to: Why not that snazzy delrin in black/grey (nt) posted by Swinson on July 31, 2000 at 05:57:45:

I did one out of the moly/delrin blend already- Way cool! But- that stuff is expensive, more so than a top grade tool steel. RB
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Msg. 270399  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:58:34:

In Reply to: This should be a WAKE UP CALL ! for all those that like to talk about MODERATORS !!n/t posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 10:31:21:

it's not paranoia when they REALLY are tryin' to getcha!
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Msg. 270398  Posted by mako on July 31, 2000 at 18:57:42:

In Reply to: Moisture on a P3 posted by Hot-Tub Man on July 31, 2000 at 09:20:22:

uh .. so what are you shooting at ... your empty beers cans or the wine bottle corks ... :-)
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Msg. 270397  Posted by Tom L. on July 31, 2000 at 18:55:14:

I have the 2240,1740 and 1322 and lets face it
the sights are horrible, I am wondering if there
any options on improving them. The pistols are quite
accurate but I have to remove the rear blade to get the POI
down even to a 6 oclock hold. My question is are there
any aftermarket sights or anything designed that can
be mounted on these?
Any opinions appreciated
Thanks
Tom L.
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Msg. 270396  Posted by Driskill on July 31, 2000 at 18:49:20:

In Reply to: Re: Help identify rifles posted by Don R. on July 31, 2000 at 00:24:53:


Gimme a break, Raitzer, few folks here in the Volunteer State even know what an "airgun" is, let alone a Walther! :-)

To answer your question, no, I haven't had a chance to try an LGV, but I'd sure like to. A couple of raggedy Walther 55's is as close as I've gotten. I do know the LGV is generally considered the king of non-recoilless target hardware.
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Msg. 270395  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:47:46:

In Reply to: What about pellet weight for .22 cal medium power guns? posted by CWS on July 31, 2000 at 16:53:05:

I'm guessing at 11 to 15.5 gr. It's worked for me, and I;ve never had a seal or spring failure. RB
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Msg. 270394  Posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 18:47:38:

In Reply to: Re: Resident Skunk under my kids play structure. posted by Sandy on July 31, 2000 at 16:53:04:

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Msg. 270393  Posted by Mike Pearson on July 31, 2000 at 18:45:04:

In Reply to: Soap!? posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 16:23:49:


Exactly Matt! After all, we're interested in sufficient penetration (and precise placement) not where the muzzle of our gun is but out where the animal is. Remember though, the placement aimpoints I specified. That's the most important part of the post I wrote last night.----- Mr.P
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Msg. 270392  Posted by johnooh on July 31, 2000 at 18:44:57:

In Reply to: Crosman bulk pistols finish? posted by Brent on July 31, 2000 at 18:11:25:

brent,
Sept. 1997 issue AGL - Mike Archer (Anoka, MN) refinished a 111. You should be able to contact him through B & B supply (612-724-5230) he's a good guy, he'll most likely tell you what you can use. Or a least tell you what won't work. HTH
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Msg. 270391  Posted by Mike Pearson on July 31, 2000 at 18:40:28:

In Reply to: Heavy / light pellet POI posted by Doug H. on July 31, 2000 at 17:32:03:


I can tell you that those .20 Silver Bears DO lose alot of velocity, alot of velocity! Conversely, the Kodiaks hold their velocity very well.

At any muzzle velocity, there are two things that dictate the trajectory of a given pellet or bullet ASIDE from the range of the shot taken, the sighting equipment used and the zero of the gun/sight combination. The first is ballistic coefficient and the second is time of flight.

If everything else, including the muzzle velocity, is equal, the pellet witht the higher BC will have the flatter trajectory. However, sometimes over a given distance, a lesser BC pellet with a substantilly higher muzzle velocity will shoot flatter than a slower, higher BC pellet. Reason? The lighter, faster pellet has such a head start in the flatness-of-trajectory "race" that the bigger, more streamlined pellet doesn't catch up.
----- Mr.P

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Msg. 270390  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:38:21:

In Reply to: PCP posted by pritam on July 31, 2000 at 18:35:17:

The Savers
Theoben Rapids
Webley Axsor
BSA Super Ten to name a few- there are more. RB
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Msg. 270388  Posted by pritam on July 31, 2000 at 18:35:17:

ARE there any good Repeter PCP in market other than Career ?

How career 707 performas with .22 & .25 Cal
I mean acuracy and energy beyond 40-50 yds.

any information on big bore repeter PCP ?


regards

pritam


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Msg. 270387  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:34:10:

In Reply to: Winchester Model 373 posted by Ken on July 31, 2000 at 15:34:46:

As Doug said- it's a Diana. I have a 353 .177. RWS Dynamit Nobel in Closter, NJ. now sells parts. RB
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Msg. 270386  Posted by Driskill on July 31, 2000 at 18:33:55:

In Reply to: Webley Vulcan posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 18:09:25:


The Vulcan and R7 are really different classes of guns; you're comparing apples and oranges.

The R7 is a very refined, lightweight gun shooting in the low 600's with most .177 pellets. It has a target-grade adjustable 2-stage trigger and a very nice stock with hand-cut checkering on the grip. It is very easy to cock and has absolute minimum recoil, so it is very easy to shoot well.

The Vulcan is a bigger, heavier gun with .177 power in the mid-800's (almost twice as much muzzle energy), less refined woodwork, and a heavy single-stage trigger that is intended for rugged outdoor use. It is much harder to cock and recoils more when shot (though not bad for a gun of this power), so takes more work to shoot accurately.

If this is your first gun, I highly recommend the R7. It is a sweet all-rounder that can handle every job from indoor target shooting to short-range hunting, and will always have a place in your arsenal even if you later decide to add more powerful guns. The Vulcan is a fine piece but a more specialized one.
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Msg. 270385  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:31:28:

In Reply to: Newbei to Air Arms, quick questions, not so short answers. Thank you... posted by Bob Kelly on July 31, 2000 at 16:59:51:

Contact EAP, the current AA importer for parts. Is your gun simply missing the sleeve and baffles, or has the barrel been swapped for a larger diameter barrel? (in which case the sleeve won't fit). Getting your gun tuned can help it's firing cycle (if it hasn't been done already). RB
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Msg. 270384  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:26:14:

In Reply to: Heavy / light pellet POI posted by Doug H. on July 31, 2000 at 17:32:03:

light pellets often cause less recoil in the gun, and also have a higher velocity. Because they can escape the muzzle more quickly, the muzzle will not have lifted as high during recoil, resulting in a lower POI. Heavy, slower pellets can leave the barrel at a later point in time, when the gun is in full recoil, which can cause the POI to strike higher on the target. The addition of a muzzle brake/weight will usually lower the POI. Barrel harmonics with certain weight pellets also affects the POI. RB
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Msg. 270383  Posted by Ira on July 31, 2000 at 18:23:35:

Before I headed out of town with my dad for my cousins wedding I threw in my .177 supersport and pellets for pidgon hunting. I had read the post about shooting 9mm cases and thought I might give it a try. The only problem was I only had a few .22LR cases handy. I got to my grandparents and set up the .22 cases a aginst a clay cliff. I walked out to 30 yards and got down in prone position. I took careful aim and fired. I was amased when the case went shooting backwords. WOW this is eiser then It sounds. And I dont even have a scope. I went back and set down and took careful aim and nothing. 52 shots later still nothing. Oh well at least I hit one of them. Thank god im not a military sniper...Yet

Ira
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Msg. 270382  Posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 18:19:41:

In Reply to: Webley Vulcan posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 18:09:25:

Trigger not as good, but more power. Well built. RB
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Msg. 270381  Posted by Forrest on July 31, 2000 at 18:18:55:

I just read alot about the R1 and everyone seemed to love it,but i couldnt find i price on it. I was also thinking if i bought this gun would a simmons 6.5-20x50mm scope be good for it. I was intending on using the gun for pests,plinking, and target shooting. If you could give your opinion it would help alot thanks.
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Msg. 270380  Posted by johnooh on July 31, 2000 at 18:18:10:

In Reply to: Pyramid air posted by john on July 30, 2000 at 22:35:47:

john,
good, fast service. no problems.
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Msg. 270379  Posted by johnooh on July 31, 2000 at 18:12:09:

In Reply to: Crosman 2260...any opinions? posted by Dave K on July 31, 2000 at 00:49:22:

Dave,
I have them all , 2240, 2250 & 2260. I like the 2260 best.It uses 1 powerlet, nice wood stock, plastic trigger unit from an older model 262. Power is good around 500-550fps. No, it is not a CR160, but what the hey, I'd but another. If you get one, drop me a line for a couple simple tunes you can DIY.
jo
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Msg. 270378  Posted by Brent on July 31, 2000 at 18:11:25:

I would like to know if anyone has had good results in refinishing an old Crosman 111,112,115, or 116, and what did they use. I am looking for a reasonable spray paint that will represent the original finish to a reasonable degree. It seems to be a semi-gloss finish, but the original was baked on. There must be a good durable finish in a spray can, and I will be taking the pistol completely apart, so that it can be a good job with the right paint. By the way,it is both brass and steel. Thanks in advance.
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Msg. 270377  Posted by Barrel_Nut on July 31, 2000 at 18:11:20:

In Reply to: Heavy / light pellet POI posted by Doug H. on July 31, 2000 at 17:32:03:

... heavier pellets may have better interior ballistics.

lighter pellets moving & exiting barrel before full power capture.


Is there more muzzle noise with Silver Bears ?
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Msg. 270376  Posted by pilkguns on July 31, 2000 at 18:09:41:

In Reply to: Re: 5 shot rapid fire air pistols. posted by Charles on July 31, 2000 at 00:54:17:

in Co2 $500 category, the Aeron sems to be the only option, as the Drulov would not be an option based on waht i hear about it,. Not sure who to reccomend to buy a Aeron from, the folks in AZ seem to be getting a pretty bad rap on this and other forums for lack of service,and with a repeater, especially the CO2 ones, sooner or later you will need it.
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Msg. 270375  Posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 18:09:25:

how does the webley vulcan compare to the beeman R-7/HW30? it looks pretty attractive since you can get a silencer for it from pyramid air.
thanks in advance-
john
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Msg. 270372  Posted by Brent on July 31, 2000 at 18:04:43:

In Reply to: Heavy / light pellet POI posted by Doug H. on July 31, 2000 at 17:32:03:

With center-fire handguns this is normal because of the lock time in the barrel. I am not sure if this is possible in an air rifle of pistol (you didn't mention what you were using), but Uncle Gary's suggestion might help to answer.
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Msg. 270370  Posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 18:03:39:

In Reply to: looking to buy good long range pellet gun for target shooting willing to pay 300+$$$ posted by Forrest Duncan on July 31, 2000 at 17:21:09:

i R1 would work out very well but if you want lighter you might see if you can get a tuned R9..is this for target or hunting or bench rest?
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Msg. 270369  Posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 17:57:32:

In Reply to: has anyone ever heard of an air shotgun? if so where can i get one and how much?(NT) posted by Bob on July 31, 2000 at 17:15:59:

In airgun digest volume 3 there is a whole chapter devoted to the subject.
-john
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Msg. 270368  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on July 31, 2000 at 17:56:17:

In Reply to: Heavy / light pellet POI posted by Doug H. on July 31, 2000 at 17:32:03:

My GUESS would be that the lighter pellet is slowing down sooner and then dropping (wind resistance slows objects down). Normally you would expect a flatter trajectory from the lighter pellet due to higher velocity. This sounds like its related to the ballistic coefficient of the pellet, of which I know little. There could be something in the fit of the pellet and blowby if the lighter pellet doesn't fi as tightly.
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Msg. 270367  Posted by Uncle Gary on July 31, 2000 at 17:52:23:

In Reply to: Heavy / light pellet POI posted by Doug H. on July 31, 2000 at 17:32:03:

There are a couple of possibilities here, the most likely is that the lighter pellets haven't yet reached the top of their trajectory arc, while the heavy ones have. Bet if you'd shoot the same pellets again at 40 yds. (with the same sight setting) you'd find the heavy ones shooting low
and the lighter ones hitting higher. Another possibility is that the greater recoil of the heavy pellets is causing the muzzle to be elevated higher at the instant the pellet leaves the barrel, resulting in a higher POI at the target.
Regards,
Unc

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Msg. 270366  Posted by Steve T on July 31, 2000 at 17:50:30:

In Reply to: Here's a Farco CO2 shotgun for $460 (URL inside) posted by Steve T on July 31, 2000 at 17:47:57:

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Msg. 270365  Posted by Steve T on July 31, 2000 at 17:47:57:

In Reply to: has anyone ever heard of an air shotgun? if so where can i get one and how much?(NT) posted by Bob on July 31, 2000 at 17:15:59:

http://www.air-rifles.com/shot.html

Hope it's what you're looking for!
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Msg. 270363  Posted by R Yost in St. Louis on July 31, 2000 at 17:46:19:

In Reply to: Where did Kathy go? Did she finish the chapters? (nt) posted by drjamesh@aol.com on July 31, 2000 at 12:34:53:


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Msg. 270362  Posted by Doug H. on July 31, 2000 at 17:32:03:

Hello to all you Airgun experts!

Have a question on POI with different weights of pellets.

Was shooting .20 cal. the other day and at 30 yards the Premiers and Kodiaks were dead on.

If I shot lght ones like Silver bears, they would hit about 3 inches low.

This was consistent, not just poor aim.

Are the heavy ones retaining energy and velocity?

Are the light ones loosing velocity that fast?

Would greatly appriciate any answers, thanks!

Doug H.
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Msg. 270361  Posted by dickie b on July 31, 2000 at 17:29:42:

In Reply to: Re: Woodchuck under the shed posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 10:25:29:

u mean it is a model 597 rem, gatcha now.
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Msg. 270360  Posted by Sorn on July 31, 2000 at 17:24:07:

In Reply to: something else about the Gamo Hunter 220 posted by Wolf on July 31, 2000 at 15:27:54:

Well, that depends on which scope you are using. If you got the combo with the BSA 4x scope, then no. The same would hold true for most scopes.
However I just recently purchased a 6-18x50mm scope and had to remove the rear iron sight to mount it (the scope is over 16 inches long). I hope that answers your questions.
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Msg. 270359  Posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 17:22:44:

In Reply to: Soap!? posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 16:23:49:

matt, as ive not killed woodchuck im not sure about howmany bars are needed. i know 2 bars Ivory=about 1 crow
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Msg. 270358  Posted by Forrest Duncan on July 31, 2000 at 17:21:09:

Hi. I am sorta new to pellet guns and i was looking for a accurate long range pellet rifle. i was looking and some of the gamos but people have said that the triggers are very bad. Does anyone know of any good guns in the 300 dollar price range. thank you very much.
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Msg. 270357  Posted by yakeem on July 31, 2000 at 17:18:44:

In Reply to: Woodchuck under the shed posted by matt sudol on July 30, 2000 at 18:19:32:

Don't feel bad. You just made me happy. I don't
care where the pellet goes into the groundhog. I
hope you gut shot the dang thing. It will die eventually.
If .177 pellet gun is your only option, you might
as well take advantage of it. Never mind all the shot
placement talk. If you miss and get the groundhog
in the eye then it won't see you next time when you
shoot it in the guts.

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Msg. 270356  Posted by Bob on July 31, 2000 at 17:15:59:

nt

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Msg. 270354  Posted by Steve T on July 31, 2000 at 17:09:04:

In Reply to: Aluminum, eh? posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 00:40:14:

nt

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Msg. 270352  Posted by yakeem on July 31, 2000 at 17:03:25:

In Reply to: Soap!? posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 16:23:49:


Try to put the pellet into the groundhog's head.
Don't concern yourself with soap. I killed one this
weekend with my 2100 classic, 5.5 grain cheap pellets
at 8 pumps. Just be ready to give it to em again
when its floppin!

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Msg. 270351  Posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 17:02:20:

In Reply to: Where in the world did you come up with that idea? posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 16:02:43:


From Martha Stewards cures for the common cold!

LOL,

Stocky
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Msg. 270350  Posted by Bob Kelly on July 31, 2000 at 16:59:51:

Just pickedup TX200HC w/o integeral moderator. Where can
I find one. Price ranges??? I picked up a PRO ELITE at same
time that has one and it appears to work quite well
(considering the power level to discharge). Also any
sugestions on must do modifications, for both?? Any input is
greatly appreciated. Thank you very much!!!!
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Msg. 270349  Posted by CWS on July 31, 2000 at 16:53:05:

In Reply to: very general parameters posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 01:53:07:

RWS, BSA, etc...
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Msg. 270348  Posted by Sandy on July 31, 2000 at 16:53:04:

In Reply to: Resident Skunk under my kids play structure. posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 11:50:26:

A quick search yielded this link. Good luck!

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Msg. 270347  Posted by Andrew on July 31, 2000 at 16:49:21:

In Reply to: Soap!? posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 16:23:49:

I did some tests too with soap, I took pictures and posted them here
http://home.nycap.rr.com/hernandez/

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Msg. 270346  Posted by Chris on July 31, 2000 at 16:48:50:

In Reply to: RWS " C " mount posted by Thom on July 31, 2000 at 16:12:23:

I got one for my R6. WAY WAY too heavy for this gun. if you have a magnum springer, go for it.
Chris
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Msg. 270345  Posted by Dan Kelin on July 31, 2000 at 16:45:50:

I'm trying to decide weather to buy the Walther CP99 airgun, or the Gammo 45. I was looking for reviews on the Walther since I don't really know much about it. Can anyone give me any feedback on the Walther CP99?

Thanks so much:
Dan
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Msg. 270344  Posted by Andrew on July 31, 2000 at 16:45:05:

I went out to the woods today, looking for squirrels, but I found none. It had rained very very hard last night, and there were many large puddles of water out in the woods. I found some frogs near the water, and when I got close they would jump in. The next water hole I found, I sat down about 30 yards from it, and scanned the shoreline of it, on full zoom 18X. I found a large frog, just sitting there. POP! A CM pellet makes a LOT of noise when it hits a frog! And those hollow points do some NASTY damage to them too!I got 3 frogs, and everything that was once inside of them, was blown outside, everywhere... I used a tuned HW97... I still just cant belive how much damage that CM pellet did! The exit wound had to be at least 1 1/2" large
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Msg. 270343  Posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 16:42:55:

In Reply to: Soap!? posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 16:23:49:

All this was done at 10 yards and 2 dial soap bars.
Benjamin Sheridian 14 pumps not steroid (yet)
14.3 grain Ben/Sher diablo: 2 bars , pellet looks normal
12.8 grain Beeman Cro-mag : 1.5 bars , pellet head is 5.4mm

RWS 45
7.25 grain Gamo Hunting: 1.5 bars , pellet head is 4.7 mm rest is fine
9.3 grain RWS Super-Mag: 1 bar , pellet looks fine/normal

Conclusion: Crow Mags are deadly!
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Msg. 270342  Posted by JS on July 31, 2000 at 16:42:38:

In Reply to: Re: 2260 and 2 powerlets? posted by James L on July 31, 2000 at 14:43:18:

I got my QB-78 in .22 from Auction Arms. The seller has them there all the time and is quite reliable. It's my favorite CO2 gun. I prefer two cartridges, doesn't really matter though...it seems to equal out. I get 60+ shots from the QB and 30 or so from the single cart 2250 and 2240.
I also have a stock 2250 from Meijer's....and a Mac1 tuned 2240 with a 14" 2250 barrel on it.

I'd also say to spend $69+$13 shipping on a QB-78, instead of $90-$100+ on a 2260. If you must go the 22X0 route, the 2250 is fun for around $56 from D&R Sports.

Jack


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Msg. 270340  Posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 16:23:49:

When people say shooting into 2 bars of soap for woodchucks is good enough. Do you mean at the desired distance like 20 yards you should go through 2?
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Msg. 270339  Posted by Wolf on July 31, 2000 at 16:18:28:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo Hunter 220 posted by TJ on July 31, 2000 at 15:32:46:

What's wrong with the trigger??
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Msg. 270338  Posted by KEN. on July 31, 2000 at 16:15:47:

In Reply to: Re: bushnell sportview =( posted by RGunn on July 31, 2000 at 15:18:06:

Bushnell has a very good repair policy, fast too! Usually they just send you a new scope, but make sure you tell them you want the same number scope that you sent them (provided you have the right one to begin with). Should be #79-0004 which is a fixed power. I've had lots of these and never any problems.
Many Thanks KEN.
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Msg. 270337  Posted by James Kitching on July 31, 2000 at 16:15:21:

In Reply to: What's the thread size on a paint ball bottle? nt posted by CJ on July 31, 2000 at 16:02:31:

a
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Msg. 270336  Posted by Thom on July 31, 2000 at 16:12:23:

I found a bargin on "C" Mounts $ 30 plus shipping or best offer. 3 still in the package
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Msg. 270335  Posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 16:02:43:

In Reply to: Re: Resident Skunk under my kids play structure. posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 14:39:13:

... Not that I'm going to ignore it, just wondering where the idea come from.
RickK
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Msg. 270334  Posted by CJ on July 31, 2000 at 16:02:31:


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Msg. 270332  Posted by DougWall on July 31, 2000 at 15:53:42:

In Reply to: Winchester Model 373 posted by Ken on July 31, 2000 at 15:34:46:

I think that I have the same pistol in .177. Break barrel with a one piece brown plastic grip/stock.
This pistol was made by Diana, and was sold under various names (Diana Model 5, Hy-score). I think that the .177 was rated in the mid 400 fps. range.
I think that the basic "guts" of the pistol may still be sold as the RWS Model 5-G.

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Msg. 270330  Posted by ben on July 31, 2000 at 15:43:38:

In Reply to: Where did Kathy go? Did she finish the chapters? (nt) posted by drjamesh@aol.com on July 31, 2000 at 12:34:53:

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Msg. 270328  Posted by andy w on July 31, 2000 at 15:37:40:

can anyone supply me with information on tuning the crosman 1322.

Thanks Andy.
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Msg. 270327  Posted by Nik on July 31, 2000 at 15:36:58:

In Reply to: Re: What Happened to Swinson? - he got a transfer to a different branch of the Gov't posted by James L on July 31, 2000 at 14:50:32:

NT
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Msg. 270326  Posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 15:35:57:

In Reply to: RWS 54 VS. B-S Steroid posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 13:40:20:

Even though I would love to have a career I cannot afford one. I have a Benjamin blue streak .20 caliber.
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Msg. 270325  Posted by Ken on July 31, 2000 at 15:34:46:

Have a Winchester Mod. 373 .22 cal Air Pistol. Looking for any information on gun, Winchester was no help.
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Msg. 270323  Posted by Eric P. on July 31, 2000 at 15:33:14:

In Reply to: RWS 54 VS. B-S Steroid posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 13:40:20:

Steriod job's OK. It gets to be a real pain to pump it up 14 times to get max power though. And it's hell if you get ready for your hunt by practicing with the thing pumped up 14 times. But unlike with the 54, you can leave the Ben/sher cocked the during the hunt without ill effect, and you can stick just about any scope with AO on it. Accuracy is a bit better than a standard Ben/sher, because of the trigger. I used to be able to shoot 3-5 shot groups with all holes touching at 20 yards. Do you have a 397, streak, or 392?
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Msg. 270322  Posted by TJ on July 31, 2000 at 15:32:46:

In Reply to: Gamo Hunter 220 posted by Wolf on July 31, 2000 at 15:10:35:

The 220 is ok for power 14.5 ME and accuracy about 3/8 at 25yds
but the trigger is not so good. There is a copy of
the hunter 440 carried by IAR? for under $100 near
same quality.
TJ
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Msg. 270320  Posted by Wolf on July 31, 2000 at 15:27:54:

Do the iron sights get in the way when you're using a scope with the Gamo Hunter 220?
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Msg. 270317  Posted by Rolo101 on July 31, 2000 at 15:25:28:

In Reply to: RWS 54 VS. B-S Steroid posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 13:40:20:

Matt:
You need some completely different. I would go with some Career or AF Talon. 30 Fps and more. That's power!

Regards
Roland
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Msg. 270316  Posted by Rolo101 on July 31, 2000 at 15:23:23:

In Reply to: RWS 34 Trigger adjust posted by Don Trinko on July 31, 2000 at 14:18:11:

Want to understand how does the trigger work? Take a look to my URL.

Regards
Roland

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Msg. 270315  Posted by RGunn on July 31, 2000 at 15:22:35:

In Reply to: Tree Rats BeWare......for Dutch is on the prowl, and you are in season... posted by Dutch on July 31, 2000 at 08:55:41:

Dutch, good luck and shoot straight.

Don't forget your camera. I would love to see some photos shared on my "Airgun Hunters Photo Gallery"!


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Re: Just bought a RWS Diana 48/52. Now what?


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Msg. 270314  Posted by Rolo101 on July 31, 2000 at 15:19:34:

In Reply to: Re: Just bought a RWS Diana 48/52. Now what? posted by Larz on July 31, 2000 at 15:06:49:

The action is the same. Only the stock changes. Therefore the factory inscribes 48/52 in the action.
Dump the scope and buy a Trophy. The gun will eat the Sportview within some 100 shots. If you are lucky, a bit more. You will also need a decent mount, something like a C mount from RWS.

Take a look at my site for some further info.

Regards
Roland

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Msg. 270313  Posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 15:18:06:

In Reply to: Re: Resident Skunk under my kids play structure. posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 14:39:13:


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Msg. 270312  Posted by RGunn on July 31, 2000 at 15:18:06:

In Reply to: bushnell sportview =( posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 11:20:55:

If the remaining portion of the reticle is holding zero, I would keep using it if you have no replacement scope.

The reticle is already broken, I can't imagine continuing to us the scope will make any difference with regard to your warranty. Send the scope in for repairs whenever you are ready. Just be aware of the time allowance for your warranty.
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Msg. 270311  Posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 15:15:58:

In Reply to: Resident Skunk under my kids play structure. posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 11:50:26:

try motion sencor flud lights that turn on when it moves around at night..it may annoy it to the point it goes away..or couldbe there is a food source you could remove
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Msg. 270308  Posted by Wolf on July 31, 2000 at 15:10:35:

Hi, is the Gamo Hunter 220 a good air rifle? How accurate is it? (group size at 30 yds) Thank You.
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Msg. 270307  Posted by Steve in CT on July 31, 2000 at 15:09:38:

In Reply to: Resident Skunk under my kids play structure. posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 11:50:26:

I am still dealing with the smell and its been 10 days oh man.
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Re: Just bought a RWS Diana 48/52. Now what?


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Msg. 270306  Posted by Larz on July 31, 2000 at 15:06:49:

In Reply to: Just bought a RWS Diana 48/52. Now what? posted by JTB530 on July 31, 2000 at 14:50:49:

There is no model 48/52, it's either/or. So you either have a 48 or a 52.
Basically the only difference is the woodwork, that action is the same for either.

There are a few tune kits available for these guns, look in the "web links" section of this
site for James Maccari.

The scope is an OK model, nothing spectacular and it should work on that gun. I say should because
the 48/52 guns do have a pronounced recoil that could cause damage to your scope.

Some say they have these scopes on their guns for years without problems, other say they didn't last 1000 rounds.
For the $$$ you paid, I'd just leave it there and hope for the best. If it does break, you can asses your options then.

For now, just shoot and enjoy...

Later

Larz
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Re: Where did Kathy go? 1984?


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Msg. 270304  Posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 15:01:33:

In Reply to: Re: Where did Kathy go? 1984? posted by Winston Smith on July 31, 2000 at 14:49:20:

this is more a violant arogants ..that says, IM right! you are wrong!! and because you are wrong you are some how evil!! and must be stoped!!..you keep reffering to 1984..i feel its worse then that & more covert..the total control fashist theme in 1984, was out in the open ..although some of this is out in the open. most, of this stuff is hidden behind the net..they havnt the guts to do a face to face unless they have there gang of tree huggin thugs behind them
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Msg. 270303  Posted by Mac1 on July 31, 2000 at 14:52:36:

I've had a few customers source the bulk systems for the late model crosmans that charge the factory tube via an alternate valve end and seal at the tube end with bulk adapter.
I do not reccomend this arrangement and I will not attempt to make the system work reliably. (Read; Don't send me anymore).
I know a lot of folks want a system that has horizontally mounted bulk tanks. This is not Mac1 style and the systems will not be upgraded or samnitized when sent to Mac1. We will simply send the gun back from now on. We can only work on systems we feel are safe, reliable and well made.
The hangy tank system we do with fake CO2 is the best system for consistency and reliability. If you want us to work on guns with these systems you must remove them and we will work on the rest of the gun.
I'm afraid someone is going to get hurt by the fact that everyone thinks it is OK to charge factory tubes with bulk pressure. The next guy will come along and precharge the same system and then things will get scary. I don't want to encourage this so I'm going to refuse to work on them if they are not Mac1 systems. There is simply too much BS out there and I don't want to be in that loop.

Later

Tim
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Msg. 270302  Posted by JTB530 on July 31, 2000 at 14:50:49:

I just bought a RWS model 48/52 with a Bushnell sport waterproof 3x-9x,32 scope on it for $100.00 it's in perfect shape. My question is what should I do to it. Are there any mods or tuning tricks for it? Will this scope work on it or should I get a different one.
Thanks
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Msg. 270301  Posted by James L on July 31, 2000 at 14:50:32:

In Reply to: What Happened to Swinson? posted by Nik on July 30, 2000 at 22:15:54:

Craig has told us at one point or another that he works for the federal gov't. Apprently he has been transfered to ATF for a period of time from 6 months to possibly 2 years. Like any local Police officer will tell you don'rt discuss possible illegal things around him as he is legally obligated to report them. So says Craig now, he is leaving so as not to comprise US as well as protecting himself from his supiers at atf. Seems to me the honorable thing to do. (other then resigning which I would do befour work for those bunce of folks).
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Msg. 270300  Posted by Winston Smith on July 31, 2000 at 14:49:20:

In Reply to: Re: Where did Kathy go? Did she finish the chapters? (nt) posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 14:28:42:

BATF, PETA, etc... Its a culture war.

Our Constitution's "bill of rights" is half dead, GW Bush MAY waffel if he's elected, but Gore WILL destroy you.


Germany suffered an epidemic mental illness called the Nazis.

We are well into a simmilar psychological social desease. Liberals are legaly insane, they do not know the difference between right and wrong. Anything they want, they will take. Guns, web sites, your life.

Then they will rewrite the facts to fit.



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Re: TROPHY 6X18 WASHOUT I keep mine at 12X most of the time...


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Msg. 270299  Posted by Michael A on July 31, 2000 at 14:45:38:

In Reply to: Re: TROPHY 6X18 WASHOUT ditto posted by ron on July 31, 2000 at 11:20:11:

Seems to cure the problem but then why have the ability to go to 18X? There have been many posts regarding the quality of the Swift scopes, and how they don't "washout". But if you're like me you are stuck with the Trophy.

LA: Surfed as far north as county line, down to San Diego. Did HB Pier and Santa Anna river jetties last year during a good 8ft+ swell. Later

Michael A
Texas

PS Bet your 103 is more tolerable than our 103....
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Msg. 270298  Posted by James L on July 31, 2000 at 14:43:18:

In Reply to: Re: 2260 and 2 powerlets? posted by JS on July 31, 2000 at 13:57:36:

And you can shoot a CR160/QB78 with only 1 live 12 gram cartridge if you wish. Given a choice I would get the QB or a DCM CR160 over a CR2260 mainly becouse of the STEEL frame. (CR2260 has PLASTIC reciever)All 3 have wood stocks. You can get a QB78 in either 22 or 177 from auctionarms.com for $69.99 (don't bid higher than that they have more than one)
These in my opinion are a better buy than the 2260. A DCM 160 @ $125 is an even better deal coming with the ss1 peep sight as it does.
James L
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Msg. 270297  Posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 14:39:13:

In Reply to: Resident Skunk under my kids play structure. posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 11:50:26:

I'm dying to hear this answer....

Would moth balls thrown in there every few days do anything?

LOL,

Stocky
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Msg. 270296  Posted by Mac1 on July 31, 2000 at 14:31:54:

In Reply to: " Collectors Guide to Airpistols " posted by DougWall on July 31, 2000 at 13:41:01:

Yes. fIRST eDITON hILLERS pAGE 26 shows the single shot 800. No mention of the repeater. Just a chrome option.

Later

Tim
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Msg. 270295  Posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 14:31:14:

In Reply to: Moisture on a P3 posted by Hot-Tub Man on July 31, 2000 at 09:20:22:

just clean and wipe it down after shooting it
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Msg. 270294  Posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 14:28:42:

In Reply to: Where did Kathy go? Did she finish the chapters? (nt) posted by drjamesh@aol.com on July 31, 2000 at 12:34:53:

james, two weeks or so. she posted and said some peta tree huggers attacked her site and had email bombed her. they had info about her. like, where she lived and her full name ..she got scarred off bad enough she got rid of her site. and said she lost the love of the airgun hobby..it was very sad. and apauling that the tree huggers did this and they dont understand respect..let alow free speech
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Msg. 270293  Posted by Don Trinko on July 31, 2000 at 14:18:11:

Which screw adjusts the trigger pull? The one closest to the front or the back? I have the manual but the picture in my manual is nmot very good. Also how low can the trigger be safely adjusted? Thanks; Don T.
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Msg. 270292  Posted by M Boyle on July 31, 2000 at 14:18:08:

In Reply to: THEOBEN ELIMINATOR .22 (CM III). LEAD/LUBRICANT DEPOSIT IN THE BORE AFFECT ACCURACY: HERE HOW I’VE SOLVED THIS PROBLEM. posted by ROBERTO on July 31, 2000 at 09:49:31:

to remove leading ive tryed semichrome tarnish remover cream. flitz may work as well ..seems to work well but make sure you dont have any on the seals and clean it off with the standard airgun cleaners like simple green..ive been using krytech\finishline dry as well..found it in the spray at towerhobby ..they have a website and sell RC cars & planes
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Msg. 270291  Posted by R Yost in St. Louis on July 31, 2000 at 13:59:31:

In Reply to: Info on Benjamin Franklin Model 3100 Rifle posted by David on July 31, 2000 at 12:18:21:

Repeater BB version of the Benjamin 310 rifle. .177 cal smoothbore. Probably made from about 1958 until 1985. Less common than the single shot rifles but not rare. All Benjamin pump airguns are made from brass. Currently manufactured Benjamins are the 390 series and are not offered in the repeater version. HTH
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Msg. 270290  Posted by JS on July 31, 2000 at 13:57:36:

In Reply to: Mr. Bulk... posted by Penn on July 31, 2000 at 13:28:44:

The 2260 has a long tube (as does the 2250), but still uses only one 12 gram cartridge...the same as the 2240 and 2250. The differences in fps from stock guns is due to their relative barrel lengths. The longer barreled guns giving increased efficiency from the gas released.

The Crosman 160 and current Chinese QB-78 use two CO2 cartridges (back to back in a pressure tube).

Note: The original post metions "600 FPM"....that would be an extremly slow pellet...10 fps! :-)

Jack


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Msg. 270289  Posted by Winston Smith on July 31, 2000 at 13:49:33:

In Reply to: Re: What Happened to Swinson? posted by M Boyle on July 30, 2000 at 23:31:20:

ATF now has a Kids'Page to help badly schooled youngsters who were incorrectly taught that there is something called a bill of rights which restricts your friendly government power to dissapear you.
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Msg. 270288  Posted by andy w on July 31, 2000 at 13:45:28:

In Reply to: Just ordered my crosman 1322... posted by GMackeddie on July 31, 2000 at 09:26:55:

You have to fit a 2250 or a 2260 barrel for which there are moderater available.You have to ream out the hole in the front sight.
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Msg. 270287  Posted by DougWall on July 31, 2000 at 13:41:01:

by Dennis Hiller. If someone out there has a copy of this book, could you check and see if it covers the Hy-score concentric pistols from the 60's. I haven't been able to find any real info on the web, and an email to Wes Powers hasn't been answered yet. I'm looking for model #s, specs, and pictures. Thanks in advance.
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Msg. 270286  Posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 13:40:20:

I have a hobby called airgunning and it used be collecting airguns now it has become hunting. I have a RWS 45 , Beeman Hurricane , Benjamin cb9 , Beeman R9 and some crosman pistols the 1008 , 1322 , and revolver. Now I want some real power I was thinking of an RWS 54 because it is recoiless and packs a real K.O. punch of 19 fpe. But then again I have a benjamin sheridian and can get it steroid tuned so it is 21 fpe and is recoiless. I don't know what to do. Is the steroid tune really that powerfull? I have heard it is a great hunting rifle with great groupings at 50 yards.
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Msg. 270285  Posted by peter huppertz on July 31, 2000 at 13:36:33:

In Reply to: Re: Where have YOU been??!? posted by LOU V.K. on July 30, 2000 at 21:24:27:

Actually, I think that's Arnold's closing statement in Terminator or something ;-)

cheers,
peter
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Msg. 270284  Posted by Penn on July 31, 2000 at 13:28:44:

In Reply to: Re: I think you are talking about the 2250 posted by MR Bulk™ on July 31, 2000 at 13:04:07:

The 2260 requires (2) CO2 powerlets, doesn't it? I may have my guns confused...

Anyway, if that were the case, then the modified 2240 setup you describe may be more desirable.

How do (2) powerlets work at the same time in a rifle? Does the screw down cap pierce the 2nd powerlet in a pressurized tube? Curious...
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Msg. 270283  Posted by Gary on July 31, 2000 at 13:05:32:

In Reply to: Re: Shooting Chronys posted by Doug Owen on July 29, 2000 at 05:59:02:

thanks doug

gary
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Msg. 270282  Posted by MR Bulk™ on July 31, 2000 at 13:04:07:

In Reply to: I think you are talking about the 2250 posted by Dave on July 31, 2000 at 08:12:08:

Yes, if you want the walnut stock then that will be the only difference. Other than different length powerlet tubes and a slightly different trigger group on the 2260, there are no other differences functionally in the Crosman 2240-50-60 line. In fact they all share many of the same parts numbers in the Crosman parts publications.

MR Bulk™


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Msg. 270280  Posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 12:54:26:

In Reply to: Re: Go to his home page to find out. (Home Page Gone) posted by JM on July 31, 2000 at 12:41:04:

Jim;
True; but it does keep you from being unnecessarly abused with a bit of ultimate responability attached to it!! I sent you a e-mail asking to be set straight about any misconceptions I may have regarding Craig with my ISP e-mail account so if that isn't up front tell me what is?????

William
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Msg. 270279  Posted by PeteC on July 31, 2000 at 12:43:32:

Does anyone know of a reasonably priced source for the Crosman 0421Tm laser. This is the one that mounts to the trigger guard. Walmart carries the other version for $29.95 but the only price I have seen for the trigger mount version is $59.95.
Thanks
Pete
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Msg. 270276  Posted by drjamesh@aol.com on July 31, 2000 at 12:34:53:


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Msg. 270274  Posted by tr on July 31, 2000 at 12:30:29:

In Reply to: Has anyone experimented with RUKO Magnum .22 Pellets? Made in Spain. posted by Lew on July 30, 2000 at 22:48:47:

I am currently using RUKO wadcutters in my B/S 392 with good results. (I haven't done definitive accuracy tests because to be honest I get worn out pumping it, hate to shoot that many rounds at a time and I start to get a little shaky.) They were the cheapest brand the local sport shop had and I was a little embarrassed to buy them but they shoot well and have a screw lid that doesn't come off and spill at the worst time.
yours,
tr
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Msg. 270273  Posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 12:26:20:

In Reply to: Re: This should be a WAKE UP CALL ! for all those that like to talk about **********!!n/t posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 11:58:42:

Stocky;
You could be just a smidgen out of kilter;
I noticed some of you recent ramblings....er posts on AG and was going to mention it but since you brought it up........

William
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Msg. 270272  Posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 12:19:02:

In Reply to: Re: Go to his home page to find out. (Home Page Gone) posted by James on July 31, 2000 at 11:25:59:

James;
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to get into a disgreement with you, you may very well be right! If you know the man personally you know the facts! I don't know the man, I don't know what he does. The only thing I know is he swooped onto these forums, ingratiated himself to all of us with his knowledge, his helpfullness, his home web page with all his airguns, his setting up a web page for the BSA owner's club.....etc.etc.
Then out of the blue Adious see ya later, with vague references to esoteric matter's as the reason! Home Web page shuts down, and the refering URL leads to the ATF! Where is he going to another planet where he can't access the internet??? Supposeably he was a life long hobbiest. I'm sorry but I am a reasonable person who only knows how to assess what I see! And what I see leads me to my conclusion. It also makes it difficult for me to totally believe someone who dosen't post an e-mail address of some kind(you James not Craig)! I thought Craig was very helpful, and I liked his internet persona, and I feel like, for the most part he liked all of us. As I think back to his posts I seem to remember quite a few of them as being veiled warnings to us, something you would expect from someone who liked the people he was monitoring and trying to warn them without being overtly flagrant, so that his monitors wouldn't know. Anyway, right or wrong, this is my take on the whole episode!!!

William
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Msg. 270271  Posted by David on July 31, 2000 at 12:18:21:

I was wondering if anyone could give me info on a "Benjamin Franklin" Model 3100 pump air rifle. It is brass with a wood stock, and has adjustable sights.

Thanks
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Msg. 270267  Posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 12:08:24:

In Reply to: Re: ~$200 break barrel with checkered fore end aval? posted by Tj on July 30, 2000 at 23:33:10:

not a clue. if you call a gunsmith, they could tell you.
-john
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Msg. 270266  Posted by Chris on July 31, 2000 at 12:06:39:

In Reply to: Re: Pyramid air posted by Chris on July 31, 2000 at 12:05:12:


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Msg. 270265  Posted by Chris on July 31, 2000 at 12:05:12:

In Reply to: Pyramid air posted by john on July 30, 2000 at 22:35:47:

I've talked Josh many times and bought a Webley Vulcan III carbine (.177) from him. Great service.
If he had something else I wanted I would hesitate
to make a purchase from him again
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Msg. 270264  Posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 12:03:34:

In Reply to: Looks like there's 4 of us who want them now. posted by Steve T on July 31, 2000 at 10:40:06:

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Msg. 270263  Posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 11:59:52:

In Reply to: Pyramid air posted by john on July 30, 2000 at 22:35:47:

nt
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Msg. 270262  Posted by James L on July 31, 2000 at 11:59:34:

In Reply to: Re: You haven't been looking. posted by A_1 on July 29, 2000 at 17:27:00:

Andy,
Let me try to explain it to you. those of us who LIKE to shoot the big bores enjoy it for many reasons. some just like the idea of controling all that power, others like the kick makes them feel like the accomplished something when all the holes are touching. also hunting is a viaable use for them. perhaps they hunt in other contries where handgun hunting is legal (south africia for one) and lioke to keep in practice for said hunting. And do you not have handgun silhloetts shooting there? well maybe not any more but in the past? All these are valid reasons to shoot a 44 magnum at targets. Another is simply becouse WE WANT TO AND ITS OUR RIGHT TO DO SO. Then again we are citizens and you folks are subjects so maybe you don't have the same rights we do.
Anyway I hope that has answered your inqueries to some degree.
James L
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Msg. 270261  Posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 11:58:42:

In Reply to: Re: This should be a WAKE UP CALL ! for all those that like to talk about **********!!n/t posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 11:41:26:


A "Tad" Facetious ???

Me? A Tad ?

You must be confusing me with someone else.

A Tad indeed....


I must be slipping!

Stocky
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Msg. 270260  Posted by Jim P on July 31, 2000 at 11:51:26:

In Reply to: Re: Super Max Air Rifle posted by Ron Y. on July 31, 2000 at 10:09:06:

Max,

Ron is correct, and the two rifles (which would be my choices too)are almost exact opposits. Each represents an excellent value (performance/price)for what they do.

It all boils down to what you consider a "Match." A military match = fairly stiff trigger shooting at 30 to 50 yards. Or Olympic match = very sensitive trigger shooting at 10 yards inside.

Jim P.
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Msg. 270259  Posted by RickK on July 31, 2000 at 11:50:26:

I have read about the shortcommings of shooting skunks since they spray when hit. Obviously live trapping them is also a no-no. How do I get rid of the thing? It has 2 or 3 entrances under my kids fort (play structure). I tried flooding him out, but had no luck. I'm afraid the kids or the dog will get sprayed if I don't take care of this soon. The skunk is small, so I don't think there are any babies under there at this time. Any suggestions from you seasoned "skunk control professionals" would be appreciated.
Thanks
RickK
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Msg. 270257  Posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 11:41:26:

In Reply to: Re: This should be a WAKE UP CALL ! for all those that like to talk about MODERATORS !!n/t posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 11:19:15:

Stocky;
That's not my intent at all(I dare say you are being just a tad bit factitiously facetious !), but I get your drift. Just hinting that; that subject should not be discussed!!!

William
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Msg. 270256  Posted by Jim P on July 31, 2000 at 11:37:11:

In Reply to: THEOBEN ELIMINATOR .22 (CM III). LEAD/LUBRICANT DEPOSIT IN THE BORE AFFECT ACCURACY: HERE HOW I’VE SOLVED THIS PROBLEM. posted by ROBERTO on July 31, 2000 at 09:49:31:

Roberto,

Thanks for the Post.
There is some real science here.
Very Informative.
And Well done.

IMHO.

Jim P.
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Msg. 270254  Posted by James on July 31, 2000 at 11:25:59:

In Reply to: Re: Go to his home page to find out. (Home Page Gone) posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 10:08:02:

Wrong!
He took a job that brought on other responsibilities thats all.
With people talking of illegal things he decided to turn the other cheek.
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Msg. 270253  Posted by CharlesC on July 31, 2000 at 11:25:18:

In Reply to: Re: What Happened to Swinson? posted by Swinson on July 31, 2000 at 02:47:57:

Be careful Dude! Hope you have a safe career. I get your message!
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Msg. 270252  Posted by Blackleather on July 31, 2000 at 11:24:45:

In Reply to: K-Mart Offerings posted by anon. on July 30, 2000 at 14:34:31:

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Msg. 270251  Posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 11:23:15:

In Reply to: Super Max Air Rifle posted by Max on July 30, 2000 at 20:07:39:

MAX,
This might be your lucky day. Look into Brad Troyer's classified page.
There's a SM-1000 with a $60. Maccari GSI kit installed, and a peep sight riding on it for only $150 !

To top things off, the guy who's selling it is kinda anal and takes real good care of his toys!!!

If I didn't have that setup myself already, I'd have already jumped on it at the price.

LOL,

Stocky
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Msg. 270250  Posted by john on July 31, 2000 at 11:20:55:

ok, the bushnell sportview 4x32 on my hw97k broke this last week. has been about 500-700 shots with this scope. don't know what is up becuase i was using the a differ scope of the same model and had 1000+ pellets through it and no prob with the scope. but anyway, as most of you know the hw97k cannot be shot without a scope and i have no replacement scope that i can borrow or own right now. in another 2-3 weeks i will have enough money to buy a better scope (i spent this summer saving up for one and now i have almost 200 dollars). should i sent my bushnell 4x32 in now? or should i just keep shooting with it until i buy a new scope as it is still accurate even though the right reticle line thingy is no longer connected to the rest of them? if i keep shooting the bushnell will i void its warrantee or anything like that?
lol sorry for the longness of my post but i am in a quandry.
thanx, john
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Msg. 270249  Posted by ron on July 31, 2000 at 11:20:11:

In Reply to: Re: TROPHY 6X18 WASHOUT ditto posted by Michael A on July 31, 2000 at 10:40:16:

you mean i gotta go swat black to shoot in this 103 weather.
i had heard good things about this scope. good thing it is an extra and i got at OK price. I guess personal experience is the test.
BUMMER now I need to start finding (2)new scopes

going blind in surferville AKA los angeles
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Msg. 270248  Posted by Stocky on July 31, 2000 at 11:19:15:

In Reply to: This should be a WAKE UP CALL ! for all those that like to talk about MODERATORS !!n/t posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 10:31:21:

Hey William,

What is that MODERATOR thing you're screaming about anyway ???
You seem to want to keep that word up in lights ?

Stocky
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Msg. 270246  Posted by Nick F. on July 31, 2000 at 11:08:45:

In Reply to: oh ye... posted by GMackeddie on July 31, 2000 at 11:00:14:

same design as 1377 so its pretty accurate for a 50$ pistol, cant cloverleaf at 10m but it can at least keep them in the 8 ring off a rest, the power is there but pumping it makes it the not so ideal rat gun cuz its loud on each pump... i like CP's and it seemed to like crow mags for SOME STRANGE REASON... as for the style, i have the old sliding breech cover, my only complaint is the stiff unpredictable trigger
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Msg. 270245  Posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 11:01:26:

Does anyone know how to make a hurricane/tempest shoot faster? I have the .22 hurricane and it only does about 340 with cp's so could I put some other spring in it to make it more powerful?
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Msg. 270244  Posted by GMackeddie on July 31, 2000 at 11:00:14:

In Reply to: Nick.F??? posted by GMackeddie on July 31, 2000 at 10:59:04:

i forgot to ask what pelets it likes also do you have one with the new breech???
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Msg. 270243  Posted by DaveG on July 31, 2000 at 10:59:50:

In Reply to: Is the barrel (and the rest of the metal) on a SM1000/B21 supose to move away from the stock? posted by Dave K on July 31, 2000 at 01:01:47:

On my SM1000 I was having a hard time getting and consistancy, so went about trying to figure out why. I checked all the stock screws and they all seemed to be tight, but yet something was moving around... Afetr some lengthy hair pulling sessions I discovered something that was not readlity appearent. The post that the front stock screw tightens into is not solidly attached to the underside of the receiver tube! It is held in place by a recessed allen screw. While the stock screw was tight, the post was not! It was turning and moving and jumping around. So I tightened the allen head with a bit of locktight, and my groups tightened up... Check it out, and make sure the post is tight!
Regards,
DaveG
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Msg. 270242  Posted by GMackeddie on July 31, 2000 at 10:59:04:

What are your opinoins on the 1322 accuracy???? power???? handling???? i cant wait until thursday when it arives
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Msg. 270240  Posted by Michael A on July 31, 2000 at 10:40:16:

In Reply to: TROPHY 6X18 WASHOUT posted by RON on July 30, 2000 at 23:58:00:

Particularly bad when wearing white shirts.
Inquiring minds want to know---where is Surferville?
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Msg. 270239  Posted by Steve T on July 31, 2000 at 10:40:06:

In Reply to: break for an IZH-61 posted by Tom B on July 30, 2000 at 20:42:33:

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Msg. 270238  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on July 31, 2000 at 10:37:10:

In Reply to: Why would it be overkill? posted by Steve T on July 30, 2000 at 18:13:27:

I guess I say that because the IZH is basically a 10mm rifle that is used for target work. It is marginal for any type of close range hunting and not really appropriate for FT competition. If you are using the gun for it's intended purpose it would be a waste to put one on it. If you have modified the gun or are using it for something else you would have to make the determination whether it makes sense to use one.
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Msg. 270236  Posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 10:31:21:

In Reply to: Re: Go to his home page to find out. (Home Page Gone) posted by Mangler on July 31, 2000 at 10:25:47:

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Msg. 270235  Posted by Nick F. on July 31, 2000 at 10:28:04:

In Reply to: Just ordered my crosman 1322... posted by GMackeddie on July 31, 2000 at 09:26:55:

are you in england? i thouhght there was a limit on pistol velocities over there... like 500fps and over requires a FAC or something similar, or maybe thats canada.... but anyways, how many times have you asked about the silencer for the 1322? i dont know of anyone who makes one, its not even threaded and there is NO barrel exposed past the compression chamber, and no the front sight isnt removable because the front sight is also the end piece of the compression tube, just plastic so if you wanted to PERMANENTLY remove it, you could always sand it down to where its even with the barrel holder peice.... and i just read that, im not sure what is meant by foresight but if you mean the rear sight.... yes it is removable but you need to keep the screw in there and i dont think the metal/plastic insert is threaded, so you may have to leave it on, at least on my 13** its that way

Nick F.
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Msg. 270234  Posted by Mangler on July 31, 2000 at 10:25:47:

In Reply to: Re: Go to his home page to find out. (Home Page Gone) posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 10:08:02:


How about not "did",

but now "is".

Mangy
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Msg. 270233  Posted by matt sudol on July 31, 2000 at 10:25:29:

In Reply to: Re: Woodchuck under the shed posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 00:49:57:

Remington 597 magnum is a semiauto .22 magnum.
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Msg. 270232  Posted by Nick F. on July 31, 2000 at 10:23:01:

In Reply to: Moisture on a P3 posted by Hot-Tub Man on July 31, 2000 at 09:20:22:

a guy who knows how to kick back and relax... the next thing he'll be asking is if its ok to hold a beer in the other hand... hahaha great job, and it seems a hottub would be a great place to do some shooting, not competition because it seems they are a bit strict about people bringing along personal spa's..... but it shouldnt hurt the gun if it gets damp, it seems like the P3 is essentialy a 1piece plastic gun, and where there are other pieces of plastic on the frame the seam is very un-noticable so it may be hard to get water into the inside, try to avoid getting the big silver compression tube damp if you can... then patches thru the barrel wouldnt be a bad idea after your done..... but you gave me an idea now, but im not to sure if my friends would be to cool about me getting in there hot-tub then shooting a pistol, with them in it.... haha great idea
Nick F.
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Msg. 270231  Posted by Ron Y. on July 31, 2000 at 10:22:48:

In Reply to: 5 shot rapid fire air pistols. posted by Vic Thompson on July 30, 2000 at 16:54:31:

If money is a partial object, and egotism isn't, think about the CO2 Areon 96. It is just over $400 at EAP and is top quality, looks good, feels good, adjusts everyway neccessary. Besides it gives you 70 shots out of a 12g caplet and you don't have to tote a scuba shop with you.
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Msg. 270230  Posted by Steve T on July 31, 2000 at 10:21:09:

In Reply to: break for an IZH-61 posted by Tom B on July 30, 2000 at 20:42:33:

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Why do I feel like we have been PROBED by the ATF! n/t


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Msg. 270228  Posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 10:14:43:

In Reply to: Re: Go to his home page to find out. (Home Page Gone) posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 10:08:02:

n/t
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Okay, Okay! I give up! Maybe Peter was right in the first place!...... ;-)


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Msg. 270227  Posted by Unc on July 31, 2000 at 10:11:07:

In Reply to: Re: If a deer rifle is for deer, and an elephant gun for elephants, then a pellet rifle must be for...... ;-) posted by Doug Owen on July 30, 2000 at 23:45:20:

Maybe I'm just jealous because I can't even SEE a pellet at 23 yards! [GRIN!] Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 270226  Posted by Ron Y. on July 31, 2000 at 10:09:06:

In Reply to: Super Max Air Rifle posted by Max on July 30, 2000 at 20:07:39:

Max; Most of these guys have told you right. I own a SM and it's an excellent piece, good quality, hits hard, 1" at 35yds. accurate and I've put a couple k pellets through it. It's made for fun, hunting, possible FT with expensive scope set up.
Take a look at the IZH 61 at Golden Tollers, it is more reasonable, is a junior match shooter and would probably start you out more versatilly cheaper and be a lot more fun. Go to
http://goldentoller.freeyellow.com

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Msg. 270225  Posted by William on July 31, 2000 at 10:08:02:

In Reply to: Go to his home page to find out. posted by CharlesC on July 31, 2000 at 02:13:58:

Charles;
His home page is gone, but there is a referring URL listed to the ATF, I am just assuming now, that he worked in some capicity for the ATF!!!!! What do you think?????
William
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Msg. 270224  Posted by Uncle Gary on July 31, 2000 at 10:05:06:

In Reply to: TROPHY 6X18 WASHOUT posted by RON on July 30, 2000 at 23:58:00:

Ron:
Reflected light from windows in your garage can make this problem worse, check and see if that's the case. Try shooting with your back to a blind wall and see if this solves the problem. The lens coating used on the Trophy ocular lense makes this problem worse than many other scopes. Cheers!
Unc

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Msg. 270221  Posted by Joe Matusic, MD on July 31, 2000 at 09:59:33:

In Reply to: 5 shot rapid fire air pistols. posted by Vic Thompson on July 30, 2000 at 16:54:31:

I bought it from Scott Pilkington at the Winston Salem show 2 years ago. Beautifully built, wonderful trigger and grips, great dealer.
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Msg. 270219  Posted by Ron Y. on July 31, 2000 at 09:50:01:

In Reply to: Re: Me too! posted by Tom B on July 30, 2000 at 21:53:48:

My 61 was just ordered from Joe at GT. With a mount.
I'd be interested.
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THEOBEN ELIMINATOR .22 (CM III). LEAD/LUBRICANT DEPOSIT IN THE BORE AFFECT ACCURACY: HERE HOW I’VE SOLVED THIS PROBLEM.


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Msg. 270218  Posted by ROBERTO on July 31, 2000 at 09:49:31:

What all the Eliminator ownwers knows is that this rifle tend to lead the bore after a couple of tenth shots, these lead/lubricant deposits affect the accuracy, resulting in open groups.
I’m use to clean barrel by using a cleaning rod and some MP5 oil, but I’ve noticed that on the Eliminator this method only remouved partially these heavy deposit, because after some few tenth shots they were again there, harder than before.
Thanks to Airgunletter, I’ve discovered JB Bore Paste, and after this treatment the bore was again mirror-like and the groups sub-inch at 50 metres (premiers).
The only problem is that this treatment last hundred shots, more o less... then again this deposit start growing.
Because JB paste is a little abrasive, I did’nt like use it so much frequently, so I started thinking on a solution.
My opinion is that lead deposits are due to the fast peak of pressure, tipical on springers, that opens the rear cavity of the pellet, "splatting" it in the bore, increasing eccessilvely the friction between the barrel and the pellet skirt.
On Airgun World, Feb. Issue, an article say the Premiers are suitable up to 25 FP.. and this is the low power end for an Eliminator..
Also the lubricant used by Crosman to lube the Premiers have a part in this game. I was thinking it was not suitable for high powered spring guns.
I’ve e-mailed Theoben regarding this problem; this is the answer: “ ..... We know that Crosman Premier do lead up the bore. I understand Crosman are looking into the lead/antimony mix to improve the situation.....”
In order to solve or reduce this problem I start thinking to wash carefully the pellets and relube them, may be using some hi-tech lubricants such as Dupont Krytox (PTFE dispersed in solvent) o micronized moly based lube, that I know are giving good results on many experiment conducted by some bullets and barrel manufacturers.
For this purpose Theoben gave me the following advice: “...The pellet lube we recommend is made by Lubro-Teknik. It comes in a 100ml pump spray bottle. It is really the best thing we have found. “
At the moment I dont have this lubricant available, but I’ve ordered it and will report after tested.
Before starting my test I’ve selected many products currently available on the italian market, but after had a very informative talk with a Dupont technician I’ve decided to proceed only with two brands:
- CRC Penlub: Penlube is clear, light, not grease, not flammable and contains molybdenum disulphide particles. This moly particles remain on the pellets surface when the others components are evaporated;
- Saratoga PTFE: this is a substitute for the Krytox, that I will have soon as a sample directly from Dupont. However this is based on PTFE molecules too, only little bit bigger than the original Dupont Krytox. PTFE is dispersed in a solution with volatile solvent, not flammable.
For the test I’ve used exclusively Crosman Premiers (are absolutely the best in terms of accuracy, ......and the worst for barrel deposit...) . The rifle was settled at +/-25 FP.
Here the procedure:
1. wash the pellets using some nitro solvent and a brush;
2. put the pellet under fresh water to eliminate all traces of nitro solvent;
3. dry them by a soft cloth and an hairdrier;
4. light spray of lubricant on the pellets;
5. eliminate the excess of lubricant by using a clean cloth and air blow.
Clean the barrel using JB Bore Paste, following the procedure reported on Airgunletter (june issue). Remember to repeat this step if use pellets lubed with different product!
I’ve made 10 chrono sessions for each kind of lube, here a typical string (sorry, but measurement are in m/s ).
PENLUB PTFE
1 265,0 257,0
2 267,0 263,0
3 266,0 266,0
4 270,0 265,0
5 268,0 264,0
6 273,0 265,0
7 267,0 262,0
8 270,0 266,0
9 269,0 259,0
10 268,0 259,0
average 268,3 262,6
dev std 48,1 94,4
D s % 17,9 35,9
max 273,0 266,0
min 265,0 257,0
diff 8,0 9,0

As preannunced from Dupont tecnician, the moly lubed pellets have an higher average speed (268,3 vs 262,6 with PTFE), it means that moly, in this particular case, produce lower pellet/bore friction than the PTFE, it has also a better effect on consistency, in fact the DS % is 17,9 vs 35,9.
In terms of friction, molybdenum disulphide shows superior qualities for pellets launched at high velocity, with high pressure between pellet skirt and bore. PTFE is well suited for lower velocity (I know some airgun manufacturers are experimentating Krytox for ten meters rifle/pistol..).
Now some more helpful details...
During the test, and later in the week-end I’ve shooted around 5-600 shots WITHOUT CLEANING THE BARREL AT ALL. All the accuracy tests resulted ALWAYS around 1” and 1.5” at 50 metres.
After all these shots the bore is still clean, and no traces of deposit are visible.
Yesterday, during a field trip, I’ve used Premiers lubed with both products alternatively (... just because things are not enough complicated.....), cheking the impact point on a tree 40 metres far: the difference was unnoticeable.
All this long report (hope not too boring..) is to share my convintion that accuracy troubles in the Eliminator are due to lead/grease deposit inside the bore and the solution could be wash and relube the pellets (please, dont tell me I’ve just discovered the hot water...). So now we have just to find the best lubricant (I will report again when I will have the Dupont Krytox and the Lubro Technic).
Hope this helps all the Eliminator/Crow Magnum ownwers (but also the owners of other powerful spring guns: I’ve made the same treatment on my 52 cal .177 - 20 FP Venom tuned- with great result!).
Roberto

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Msg. 270217  Posted by Tom Gaylord on July 31, 2000 at 09:44:16:

In Reply to: Where can I find a Smith and Wesson 77A .22 cal. rifle? posted by Lee J. on July 31, 2000 at 00:59:58:

Lee,

You should also try "Airgun Ads." That's where the bulk of the vintage airguns are sold. They often have 77As for sale in there. Call 406-363-3805 for a sample issue.

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Msg. 270216  Posted by GMackeddie on July 31, 2000 at 09:26:55:

well my dad did. i decided to go fro 22 for ratting just wanted to know if the fore soght is removable and if anyone makes moderators/adapters
any help apreiciated
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Msg. 270215  Posted by GMackeddie on July 31, 2000 at 09:23:58:

In Reply to: Moisture on a P3 posted by Hot-Tub Man on July 31, 2000 at 09:20:22:

if its dried after use and barrel espesially it should be fine the outercase will be fine trie and keep wtaer out of the actoin but apart from thet itll be fine
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Msg. 270214  Posted by Hot-Tub Man on July 31, 2000 at 09:20:22:

I spend about 15 minutes every night in a hot tub that is in a perfect place to do some pistol plinking.

I was wondering whether it would harm a P3 for it to get kind of damp for 15 minutes or so while shooting. I'm not talking about putting the P3 underwater, but when you hold it with hands that are somewhat wet and when you put pellets in using fingers that are kind of sweaty or wet, is that going to damage the gun?

I know rust in the barrel is potentially a problem if I don't dry out the barrel (using cleaning patches) when I'm done but is there anything else I ought to be concerned about.
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Msg. 270213  Posted by Nik on July 31, 2000 at 09:17:28:

In Reply to: Does anyone have any info on the Crossman 2289 posted by NH on July 31, 2000 at 08:19:18:

1 1/8" 5-shot groups at 25 yds.
Weighs around three pounds.
Costs about $50 from D&R.
Some here might make a stink about the plastic breach. If you're concerned, spares are about $1 from Crosman.

HTH
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Msg. 270212  Posted by GMackeddie on July 31, 2000 at 09:05:31:

great place. very hot plenty to do, but airguns are expensive and acsesorys are not it costs about £1 for 250 pellets. We were in a clab La costa resort. there were plenty of activities including rifleshooting. I came first place with 84 pints from 2 five shot groupss????.

PS Has anyone else bought a ClubLa Costa timeshare???
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Msg. 270210  Posted by Dutch on July 31, 2000 at 08:55:41:

I will be back with a report on what the korean domes do to those little furry friends of ours tommrow. For the season is in!!! Big, little, young, old, they all better look out.

Dutch
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Msg. 270207  Posted by Lew on July 31, 2000 at 08:46:59:

In Reply to: addendum posted by RBest on July 31, 2000 at 00:29:14:


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Msg. 270205  Posted by NH on July 31, 2000 at 08:19:18:

Does anyone have any info on the Crossman 2289?
Is it accurate.
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Msg. 270203  Posted by Dave on July 31, 2000 at 08:12:08:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2260...any opinions? posted by MR Bulk™ on July 31, 2000 at 04:53:06:

I think you are thinking of the 2250. The 2260, has a walnut stock.

thanks!

Dave
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Msg. 270201  Posted by ^tg^ on July 31, 2000 at 07:50:11:

In Reply to: 2260 barrel on 2250? posted by Mike on July 29, 2000 at 17:27:38:

I put one on my 2240 pistol along with the shoulder stock, it was shooting a little over 400fps with 8" barrel, now around 600fps, well worth the $12 cost of new barrel. Call Crosman for an exploded parts list for the 2250 and the 2260, you will need the part numbers to order. because the 2250 barrel is longer (14"), your results wont be as dramatic, and you may not like the extra 10" in length that it will add to the gun...

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Msg. 270198  Posted by Mitch on July 31, 2000 at 06:42:04:

In Reply to: Re: Didn't catch the sarcasm in there (nt) posted by peter huppertz on July 30, 2000 at 09:28:27:

Not all British shooters, but some, (mainly pistol shooters) cannot practice their sport in their home land.
The Olympics cannot be held in England without making changes in the shooting sports or circumventing British law.

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