In Reply to: Re: Cody Has A Bright Future As A Stock Analyst posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 23:44:03:
What does OCD mean??? ThanX! <;o)
SeeYa,
Cody Dotter
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In Reply to: How can I measure the speed of my pellet when its fired? posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 04:41:40:
Spelling ERROR! else
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In Reply to: How can I measure the speed of my pellet when its fired? posted by Tyler on August 28, 2000 at 04:41:40:
You will need a chronograph. The cheapest one I've seen is $100. I don't know where you can get one though. Maybe someone elese can help you. <;o)
SeeYa,
Cody Dotter
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In Reply to: tau safarri rifle/does any one have one of these posted by alex on August 27, 2000 at 22:18:31:
Hi Alex,
I have one in the box w/all the goodies in excellnt condition for $250.00 + shipping.I can email you pictures if you are interested in the rifle.
Regards,
Jorge
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I was wondering if I can measure the speed of my pellet when its fired. If so, what do I need?, how much does it cost?, where can I get it?
Thanks
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In Reply to: I want a Rolls Royce for $78.20, but it won't happen! nt posted by Jay Leno on August 28, 2000 at 03:17:45:
Read the remote host above the guys name.......Unless your real name is Jay Leno.
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In Reply to: WHO CARES???? posted by Tyler on August 27, 2000 at 18:32:37:
This all reminds me of arguments I once had as a child "his sand castle is bigger than mine" or "his lego tower is taller than mine!" In this case its replaced with countries,.... "oh no thier flag is higher than ours!" This is all a very childish argument. I wasnt intending on insulting you flag worshipping yanks. (that comment will draw alot of fire!) I just think you guys should let it slide, if not just display them at an equal hieght and get it over with!
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In Reply to: Sumthin' not right here...... posted by Gerry in Canada on August 28, 2000 at 01:39:17:
...some official obviously doesn't know their own laws here. A P1/HW45 in .177 IS considered a restricted weapon in Canada.
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In Reply to: Cody Has A Bright Future As A Stock Analyst posted by HG on August 27, 2000 at 19:40:52:
nt
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In Reply to: Just curious. And I'm NOT going to buy this gun. posted by Cody Dotter on August 27, 2000 at 18:08:37:
Check out www.thenewamerican.com for the truth and not liberal leaning news.
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In Reply to: Refers only to handguns -- definition does not (yet) include airguns. Remember, a Senator or Congressman could propose a bill that would make banana peels legal tender. nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 27, 2000 at 18:48:39:
will take only a digit, then they go for a finger,
then the hand then the arm and then you are
UNARMED!!!!! The gun grabbers of any sort MUST be fought on every front and even for the "little"
things. Airgunners should join the NRA. It is in
our best interests. The Jews learned their lesson
in Warsaw, Poland (no guns to fight Nazis), now look at Isreal. Damn well armed. No gun control there.
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In Reply to: slight technical problem starting " Collectors Corner " posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 00:26:35:
1) were you using the proper caliber diskette
for this drive ?
2) is your drive
a) bolt action
b) semi-automatic
c) revolver
take care during removal to minimize accidental
discharge.
seriously, looking forward to the site/info.
good luck, thanks -arlin
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In Reply to: Please help me out!!! posted by Relbik on August 28, 2000 at 02:03:55:
My 2250 is quite accurate and very powerful right out of the box and a lot of fun to shoot. And for only around 60 dollars not a bad buy.
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In Reply to: No, you didn't renew your subscription to Am. Airgunner posted by aaron gassman on August 28, 2000 at 01:02:29:
I just downloaded the Subscription Form today.
It lists
U.S. Airgun Magazine
Publication Dept.
P.O. Box 2021
Benton, AR 72018
Phone 501-316-1777
Fax 501-316-8549
I hope this helps. Regards, Slick
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In Reply to: TX State Airgun Silhouette Match posted by TX Charlie on August 27, 2000 at 19:21:16:
I'm interested in attending haven't been practicing enough I do have recently tuned FWB124 and a couple air pistols.
Any information you can provide will be appreciate. Such as the rules and equipment used or allowed.
Reqards, Slick
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In Reply to: Please help me out!!! posted by Relbik on August 28, 2000 at 02:03:55:
No offense but thats asking a lot for $100.
Guns mentioned will be under$.
To hit a quarter??? Ohh one out of four maybe.
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In Reply to: Re: Airguns for Overseas Military Deployment posted by pilkguns on August 27, 2000 at 09:35:26:
I disagree a bit on that. For BRM refresher tng, I think one can get spoiled by nice sporting rifles or match rifles. I have some. I actually use a Biathlon Trainer with slightly modified sights for M16 practice. I find the best way to train for rapid fire with the Umarex Beretta is to do a lot of single action fire. Since the Umarex has minimal recoil, that seems the only way to mimic the sight picture disruption and return to SA trigger of rapid fire. Of cse I use the DA trigger to practice that 1st shot too. One compelling advantage of the Benjamin over a big springer like the R1 or my R9 is it's light weight and compactness-it takes down. Actually I was thinking of this more for my own recreation. Marksmanship tng would be the justification I would present to my COC to get permission to get them. A big springer would provide a recoil effect that a pump-up lacks and it might even be more tolerant of the dusty conditions of a tent city, though in Warrior Base, ROK our stereos and VCR's didn't mind.
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In Reply to: crosman 2250 diagram posted by john on August 27, 2000 at 22:52:25:
This will sound most likely be a stupid question, but I'm new to air guns.
Is your 2250 the .22 cal. "BackPacker"? I'm asking because I think there's more than one version.
If yours is the new one...can you give me some info?
How many good shots per CO2?
Do outside tempatures affect performance?
How loud is it?
Is it accurate at 30 yards?
Does it have enough power to drop a rat at 30 yards?
Thanks in advance for any help!
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In Reply to: Re: crows posted by Ed on August 28, 2000 at 01:46:18:
You could try looking at the airgun classifieds.
You could probably get a good deal.
Hi all,
Marksman seems like a cheapo brand- so how is the quality of there 'competition' rifle- can it do as a beginners target practice gun. Can the Laserhawk system be disabled/not used so you just are using unenhanced open sights?
Thanks,
Niall
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I want a gun (under $100) accurate enough to consistently hit a quarter from 20 yards and with enough power to drop a rat, bat, bird, ect., from the same distance.
I'm thinking about the Crosman 2250 "BackPacker".
Also the Tech Force 6, 51, 66, or 89.
Please help me out (I'm new to airguns)
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In Reply to: Re: WHO CARES???? posted by Simon Slick on August 27, 2000 at 21:09:45:
nt
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In Reply to: Off Topic: but Clinton plans to Publicly Disgrase America again! posted by Boxlock on August 27, 2000 at 14:12:58:
I'm sickened by this, but after all, Clinton's a Chinese agent. After the election and hopefully, God willing G.W.Bush is President, I urge all of us to call for intensive investigation and criminal prosecution of the Clinton/Gore regime. If he's guilty of half of what he's been accused of over the years, he should be executed.
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In Reply to: Re: crows posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 00:42:36:
I guess what I'm looking for is the best combination of air rifle and scope that will
help me, (someone who has never owned a gun of any kind) solve my crow problem.
The crows (very smart) usually hang out anywheres from 75 to 200 feet. Would a laser scope be better for me or a 'regular' scope.
If it's possible to spend $200- plus or minus I can do that as it would be money well spent.
thanks to all for your help.
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In Reply to: AMERICAN AIRGUNNER MAGAZINE Does Anybody recall this publication? posted by RON on August 27, 2000 at 13:44:46:
Now write for myself and U.S. Airgun.
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In Reply to: Need night varmint shooting tips. posted by Glenn on August 25, 2000 at 16:02:15:
There are wing-nut mounting, plasi-dip coated mounts that allow easy mounting of mini-mag lights to 1" scope tubes. Also a variety of sizes made for different flashlight sizes. Got mine at a gun show, but a gun shop may also have them. Varmints won't spook when you hit them with a red spot. It works!
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In Reply to: P1-HW45 .177 Cal. in Canada posted by Pete on August 28, 2000 at 00:41:44:
Pete,
I may be wrong ( but I doubt it), but that advice sounds wrong (contadictory) to me.
For the record, it would NOT be the first time someone has received bad/wrong advice from the CFO's office, as well as the CFC itself.
Here's what I mean........ It is AGREED that it would be a Firearm under the law. NOW......the definition of a firearm class (Restricted or Non) does *not* depend on the mechanism of the firearm. (Be it gunpowder,a spring,nuclear,monkey spit or whatever.) The defintion of Restricted goes more to the size of the firearm.(More or less.)
I would reccomend that you politely ask your CPFO to send you a copy of the pertinent regulation that proves he is correct, accompanied by a SIGNED letter from his office regarding your enquiry. ( This is vital insurance for you if you get one & ever end up on the wrong side of a Possesion charge.)
OR, contact the N.F.A. (& join if your not already a member) and ask one of their legal experts. Like I said , I just may be wrong, but I haven't come across anything in the text of the Regulations that agrees with what you were told.
Please don't take my advice as "paranoid", as there are already many examples of honest Canadian gun-owners getting bad info from the "officials" (some of whom don't fully understand the complex laws themselves), and now are facing criminal charges as a result. Just ask the N.F.A.
Good luck,
-Gerry
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In Reply to: TAU-200 posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 25, 2000 at 17:10:03:
I'm planning on purchasing one myself.
I just found out that there are several variants of the rifle, including one imported by RWS. Try airgun express and great lakes airguns.
http://www.greatlakesairguns.com/Specials.htm
To be honest, I'm not sure which one I want.
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In Reply to: RWS RA-800 (from Theoben) - Has anyone tried one out? posted by AC on August 28, 2000 at 00:13:16:
Very, very nice rifle. Hyedua stock on the one I tried is out of this world! Shooting behavior is very smooth and discharge sound is low considering power of the rifle. Can do a lot better on the price. Email me if interested.
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In Reply to: Air Arms s300 posted by Gareth on August 27, 2000 at 12:22:15:
Airguns of Arizona recently had them for $425 (dollars U.S.).
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In Reply to: AMERICAN AIRGUNNER MAGAZINE Does Anybody recall this publication? posted by RON on August 27, 2000 at 13:44:46:
Now write for myself and U.S. Airgun.
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In Reply to: AMERICAN AIRGUNNER MAGAZINE Does Anybody recall this publication? posted by RON on August 27, 2000 at 13:44:46:
Now write for myself and U.S. Airgun.
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In Reply to: RGunn(or anyone)..I'm trying to figure out how to use my scanner so I can send you some airgun hunting pics...do you know anything about them? posted by Josh P. on August 27, 2000 at 22:16:54:
However, I am afraid I didn't have much to say without more info. on your system.
If you can't get your scanner to work, you can always USPS your photos to me. I will scan them and send them back to you.
Randy
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In Reply to: Re: AMERICAN AIRGUNNER MAGAZINE Does Anybody recall this publication? posted by Mike Cooper on August 27, 2000 at 18:36:56:
You mean U.S. Airgun. American Airgunner has been gone for years.
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In Reply to: slight technical problem starting " Collectors Corner " posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 00:26:35:
russ, be aware..it happined to me and it some how drained the Cmos battery. get a 2032 battery incase..when i found this out. evertime i tryed to use the floppy i locked up. even bought a new floppy drive and until i changed the Battiery it would lockup on me at pricewatch.com you can find them for $10 cheap
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In Reply to: slight technical problem starting " Collectors Corner " posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 00:26:35:
THANKS RUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
ssssssssssSnake
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In Reply to: Re: crows posted by Ed on August 28, 2000 at 00:16:24:
id save $300+ for that, youll need 800+fps at that range.(out of the Muzzle).all the guns in my first post are around $200-$350ish
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In Reply to: Re: crows posted by Ed on August 28, 2000 at 00:39:43:
What's the price range on the scope and rings? You'll be lucky to get much of anything under $80. RB
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Awhile ago, I posted a question on replacing my HW45 .22 Cal. barrel with a .177 Cal. barrel. I got some replies from a few who kindly informed me that this is an easy switch, and some other replies from fellow Canucks who said "look out, you'll have a restricted weapon". I've just got back from vacation and may not have read all the replies, which, unfortunately, have dropped off the threaded messages now. However, I have checked into this with "The Man" (Chief Firearms Office), and have learned that no air pistol, regardless of velocity, is considered to be a restricted weapon in Canada. Just like air rifles, if they are over 500 fps, a PAL is required for purchase and registration. If under 500 fps, no such requirement. Hope this is of use to my fellow countrymen who may may be considering an air pistol in the future.
Regards, Pete
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In Reply to: Re: crows posted by Ed on August 28, 2000 at 00:16:24:
The XS-B18 from Funsupply would work, and keep you under $100. It's a breakbarrel springer. I've seen Benjamin 392's for sale at Walmart for $100 also. Sturdy multipump with enough oomph to do the job. I'd stay away from the 397 (.177)when it comes to crows. RB
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In Reply to: Re: crows posted by Ed on August 28, 2000 at 00:16:24:
I think I would also need advice on
a good scope also.
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In Reply to: Re: crows posted by M Boyle on August 28, 2000 at 00:36:13:
tunes=tuned
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In Reply to: crows posted by Ed on August 27, 2000 at 23:51:20:
Ed, it depends on the range..20, 40, 50, yrds? 3 guns to look at a BSA SS, R9, tuned if possible. and R1. also tunes there are others as well
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In Reply to: Re: Just got back from Springfeild Armory.. posted by Steve on August 27, 2000 at 23:45:55:
steve
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Collectors Corner got off to a rocky start this afternoon when the A Drive diskette I put it on jammed in the computer. It stopped running and will not eject, nor have attempts at popping it out been successful. I'll take the tower apart tomorrow evening and see if I can remove it that way... so there will be a slight delay. It was on the BSA Scorpion pistol (which I think was the first request). Next up will be the Diana 35. As soon as the floppy drive is back up- I'll post the Scorpion info. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: what did'nt you like about sand bags?? nt posted by RBest on August 28, 2000 at 00:02:39:
Exactly.
Also, long ago we found that rice works better
than sand even for the boomers. Regardless, just
about anything packs down after a few shots, and
gets hard, and the gun starts bouncing.
Apparently a lot of folks stick their hand between
the gun and the rest, and it seems to work for
them. UNFORTUNATELY, that little ploy didn't work
for me.
So many combinations and so little time ... Waiter,
bring me more pellets!
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In Reply to: AMERICAN AIRGUNNER MAGAZINE Does Anybody recall this publication? posted by RON on August 27, 2000 at 13:44:46:
Ron, I collect airgun magazines and have all the back issues of American Airgunner and its predecessor Airgun and World Report. I have most of them in stock if you are interested in purchasing an old issue.
If so, contact me at dlaw@cyberhighway.net
Doug law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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In Reply to: Re: Just got back from Springfeild Armory.. posted by Steve on August 27, 2000 at 23:45:55:
steve if we wont to we can draw blood..im dylexic DUMB Ass
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In Reply to: See ! I typed 'engineers' incorrectly ! posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 23:59:04:
engrish been bery berry good to me. specjlings a nother matter. ;)
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In Reply to: Re: crows posted by john from NY on August 27, 2000 at 23:53:37:
budget wise , around $100- plus or minus.
range....I guess around 200 ft. rough estimate.
hopefully it will only be used on a small
nasty bunch of crows...but I am open to your suggestions of buying something that could handle
other pests.
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Sorry if I missed some previous posts on this. This is the new gas ram breakbarrel from Theoben that's being sold under RWS. It's only 8 lbs. but would appear to be in the same power range as the RX-1. Airgun Express is selling them for $1045. Straightshooters is also selling them but haven't put the info up yet on their website. Would be curious what folks think of them?
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In Reply to: Re: RGunn(or anyone)..I'm trying to figure out how to use my scanner so I can send you some airgun hunting pics...do you know anything about them? posted by thom on August 27, 2000 at 23:29:51:
it can clog the forum big time. the links i gave if he can use them should be of great help..i help over at 95\98_talkshop all the time..we could end up asking 50 questions before we got him to right help.all thought im good at hunting down probs like this. scanners arent my fort'e
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In Reply to: Re: Just got back from Springfeild Armory.. posted by Steve on August 27, 2000 at 23:45:55:
Well oh yeah?!! Try spelling "Creeping Forcepalaphous Strangulation Garfinius Weed" if you think you're so darn smart!
And Russ, some of us spell it "Injunear" ... "Engine-ear"? ... "Ehndjunihr"? ... something like that ...
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In Reply to: Re: Just got back from Springfeild Armory.. posted by M Boyle on August 27, 2000 at 21:45:51:
You are correct on the quality of their scopes. Hakko makes them.
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In Reply to: Re: what did'nt you like about sand bags?? nt posted by jr99 on August 27, 2000 at 23:02:40:
John, while I'm not bcd, I can say from my own experience that some sandbags just pack down too hard for spring guns. They can be almost as bad as resting the stock on a deck railing or window frame. RB
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In Reply to: Off Topic: but Clinton plans to Publicly Disgrase America again! posted by Boxlock on August 27, 2000 at 14:12:58:
Question: OJ was only in court once. Clinton has spent his entire presidency in court or trying to avoid it for a multitude of charges. Who has spent more in the 1990s in America to avoid prosecution? The top two have to be Clinton and OJ.
Who has spent more? Does it tell you something about the man? Clinton is innocent like OJ. Live with it? Do your children think this mans actions and reactions to serious charges are a role model to follow?
Scary hun?
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In Reply to: Re: Just got back from Springfeild Armory.. posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 23:57:26:
go figure- and I have a degree in English! RB
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In Reply to: Re: Just got back from Springfeild Armory.. posted by Steve on August 27, 2000 at 23:45:55:
Steve: for your information, this board has enginners, doctors, lawyers, PhD's, etc posting on it too. Many of my own spelling errors stem from being a lousy typist who just happens to type too fast for his own good. I'll often nail keys that are immediately next to or below the one I wanted to hit. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: crows posted by Ed on August 27, 2000 at 23:51:20:
What's your budget? are you planning on using it only on crows? What ranges?
-john
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this may sound a bit strange, but.....
what would be a good air gun to buy to rid myself of some pests like crows.
I've never owned an airgun.
thanks
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In Reply to: Re: Parallax posted by chasm on August 27, 2000 at 23:43:22:
Glad you enjoyed it. I've always like The Police myself, and even Stings' later efforts. I spent this evening watching The Chieftans do an Irish music special on A&E. Like many other things in my life, I've always enjoyed a wide variety of music. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Just got back from Springfeild Armory.. posted by M Boyle on August 27, 2000 at 21:45:51:
Try spelling Springfield the right way SWAT.
And as for you Boyle, you "wish there scopes would do 10 yrds" or their scopes would do 10 yrds?? "how fare (do you know how to spell far??) does the OA focused down too"(try to, that too is use in phrases like too much) Please guys tell me you aren't all dropouts in here. They ought to make memberships here and only people that pass a grammar/literacy test be given writing privileges.
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In Reply to: Re: Cody Has A Bright Future As A Stock Analyst posted by M Boyle on August 27, 2000 at 21:43:01:
Guilty- as charged, although I've never thought of myself having an OCD. Fact is, I'm generally on the opposite side of the personality spectrum where OCD is concerned. I just happen to have an ongoing urge to shoot airguns that has lasted over 4 decades, and I've always been a bit of a collector. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Parallax posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 16:53:04:
Russ,
Thanks for the response. You may very well be right in your assessment. The Bushnell scope in question has already made one trip back to the manufacturer's representative for a tune up. Bought it used on the ads.
chasm
BTW, my Sting exposure yesterday was a great experience that I would highly recommend. No Nile expected, just hoping for Roxanne.
cm
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In Reply to: My Final decision!! Maybe??? posted by Mikey on August 27, 2000 at 15:06:09:
The R9 has a big weight advantage over the RWS 52 for carrying in the field. I was also going to suggest that you consider an R1. It's very well built, is only a little more expensive and about the same weight as the 52. But the power of the 52 is VERY impressive. Almost 800 fps for .22 cal CPs . Since you're going to be doing a lot of hunting, that's not a bad choice. And I don't know that you're going to find much else with that power in the same price range.
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In Reply to: tau safarri rifle/does any one have one of these posted by alex on August 27, 2000 at 22:18:31:
I have the Tau Safari in .22. The action says
"Tau 200" -- I believe it's the same action as the
target models, just a "sporter" stock.
LD modified mine with a "hangy" 3.5oz tank out the
forearm and bumped it from ~500fps to ~600fps with
Superdomes / Premier 14.3. I just added a Leupold
3-9x33 EFR and it's an AWESOME combination.
It seems quieter (from the shooter perspective)
than my moderated Huntsman .177.
Mike
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In Reply to: RGunn(or anyone)..I'm trying to figure out how to use my scanner so I can send you some airgun hunting pics...do you know anything about them? posted by Josh P. on August 27, 2000 at 22:16:54:
Be sure that you have teh proper cable to hook it up!! takes a special type ..eeie I think or something like that.. also. see if you can get it to work without the printer or other perifials hooked up first... parallel port, or USB?? what errors do you get, or will it jsut not work at all. does it light up at all?
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In Reply to: Airgun Purchasing posted by Robert J. Pelosi on August 27, 2000 at 21:01:12:
Here are 2 links that may help you.
http://www.megalaw.com/
http://www.municode.com/
Good luck
In Reply to: Refers only to handguns, not shotguns, rifles, air rifles, remember a Senator could propose a bill that made you pay 30 percent of your income to the Feds. Ridiculous, never happen. NT posted by James Kitching on August 27, 2000 at 21:46:52:
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In Reply to: Where do I get a chrony and how much will it cost? (a cheap one)...nt posted by Steve T on August 27, 2000 at 22:24:27:
Refurbished F1 for around 45.00 at Shooting Chrony at (905) 276-6292 or
New Combro CB-625 for around 69.00 at ARS at (607) 734-7340.
Good luck
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In Reply to: Where do I get a chrony and how much will it cost? (a cheap one)...nt posted by Steve T on August 27, 2000 at 22:24:27:
Straightahooters.com, $110.
In Reply to: crosman 2250 diagram posted by john on August 27, 2000 at 22:52:25:
nt
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In Reply to: Just curious. And I'm NOT going to buy this gun. posted by Cody Dotter on August 27, 2000 at 18:08:37:
Cody, you should check out Precision Sales if you haven't already (http://www.precision-sales.com/) for info on the Goldstar. They list it for $699.
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In Reply to: Observation from the Bench posted by bcd on August 27, 2000 at 16:17:29:
Aloha John
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In Reply to: Re: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Mike Pearson on August 27, 2000 at 20:12:21:
The CCI Standard Velocity LR. The other target LR brands are about 1020 fps and have a louder discharge. The CCI is only set for approximatly 900 fps and is very accurate. Please note I do not have a chrono but the ammo is very good. You can use shorts and cb caps but accuracy is not as good. The longs I tried made more noise and produced muzzle flash, not my cup of tea. The Reminton Subsonic is too loud and burns dirty to boot.
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i am going to do some work on my crosman 2250, but before i do i want to make sure that i will be able to put it back together again. where can i find a diagram showing all the parts and how they are assembled for this gun? i looked around on the net but i couldn't find any.
thnx in advance,
john
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In Reply to: spring/gas ram posted by Gareth on August 27, 2000 at 17:10:29:
somthing from Theoben..in a gasram :)
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In Reply to: RGunn(or anyone)..I'm trying to figure out how to use my scanner so I can send you some airgun hunting pics...do you know anything about them? posted by Josh P. on August 27, 2000 at 22:16:54:
I found this page and send people there for tips on using their scanner.
Cheers!
Dave
In Reply to: RGunn(or anyone)..I'm trying to figure out how to use my scanner so I can send you some airgun hunting pics...do you know anything about them? posted by Josh P. on August 27, 2000 at 22:16:54:
In Reply to: RGunn(or anyone)..I'm trying to figure out how to use my scanner so I can send you some airgun hunting pics...do you know anything about them? posted by Josh P. on August 27, 2000 at 22:16:54:
if you have MSChat click this link
nt
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In Reply to: RGunn(or anyone)..I'm trying to figure out how to use my scanner so I can send you some airgun hunting pics...do you know anything about them? posted by Josh P. on August 27, 2000 at 22:16:54:
josh, if you are on msn id try %Windows95/98_talkshop chat thay could help more..much faster too
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I saw that Airgun express used to have these.I also know that mac1 mods the target version.Is the safarri any good.What cal are they?what are the vel spec's on the modified mac1 target model with 10.2cp's.And who sells these.Thanks in advance.
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I have an Artec ViewStation 6P scanner that I got when I got the computer package.I cant seem to get it working,I've tried everything(I could think of).Does anyone have one of these?What procedures did you use to get it up and running?
Thanks-Josh P.
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In Reply to: Airgun Purchasing posted by Robert J. Pelosi on August 27, 2000 at 21:01:12:
Robert: can't get an answer? Who are you asking? Best to know your local laws, as towns can vary; and their laws take precedence over state and federal laws. Try your local library or your local district attorneys office. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Once hit a pencil at 100m, peep sight posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 22:10:13:
Simply speaking. An m-16. Probably the most inaccurate thing for target, yet i still do damn good.
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In Reply to: Does windage POI change? posted by JonF. on August 26, 2000 at 20:25:46:
you can learn the math if you wish by buying the FSI advanced airgun billistics books the change bepends on the BC, range of target, time of flight and angle and speed of the wind..with a high powered rifle and 10mph it can be as much as 6-8" with a low BC as much as 12" i wont put the math up as it may make you bleed from the nose. sine\cosine stuff
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In Reply to: How to obtain a blood lead test, candle wick lead answers posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 26, 2000 at 14:32:43:
I have been tested.For heavy metals pos for lead and mercury.The way they test is first giving a heavy metal chealator(chemet,DMSA)not DMPS to draw the metals into the blood stream.A blood test for lead is a little far out.All you got to do is Just think about it for a second.If lead is floating around in your blood stream your hurtin.Heavy metals go right to the central nervious system your brain,your tissues and stay there!This is old goofy medicine(doc no offence)it's like "spegitti is a complex carbo and gatorade is good because of the salt in it)Totally obsolite I have been through the mill with this for years.And the only ones that pay for this is the VA.I could go there but it is too far,most of the time.
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In Reply to: a smarter way to use this forum posted by pilkguns on August 27, 2000 at 16:48:46:
pilk some just love to see what they typed. ego i guess..some times im just lazzy and dont look at the other replys
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In Reply to: Refers only to handguns -- definition does not (yet) include airguns. Remember, a Senator or Congressman could propose a bill that would make banana peels legal tender. nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 27, 2000 at 18:48:39:
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In Reply to: Just got back from Springfeild Armory.. posted by SWAT955 on August 27, 2000 at 21:34:40:
SWAT i just wish there scopes would do 10yrds or wish i could get an informed answer in email ..i had asked about how fare the OA focused down too..never got a straight answer
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In Reply to: Cody Has A Bright Future As A Stock Analyst posted by HG on August 27, 2000 at 19:40:52:
we all have an anal side..OCD is in our blood..i still dont get having 50+ guns..3 or 4 maybe. 50? now thats OCD
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In Reply to: Re:I hope your reading is better than your spelling!(nt) posted by butch on August 27, 2000 at 21:17:02:
we are all are screwed up in some way. i may call you on a fib, but never hold a grudge..he may have had a bad day. needed sleep, just got up or has the same prob i have. dylexic. or it might be this small comments Box. bigger a post the more likely a typo love the 'edit'button in Delphi for that reason..if you can read it, it shouldnt be a prob.
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wow, now thats what i call a collection! has anyone else ever been there? the exhibits were well put togather but no airguns but oh well still very cool.
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In Reply to: Re:I hope your reading is better than your spelling!(nt) posted by butch on August 27, 2000 at 21:17:02:
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In Reply to: Thanks for all the support and input....here is what I decided... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 23:20:30:
Marty, I read this thread top-down from a chrono dump. (I read newest to oldest) As I read the thread, I thought it was one of those situations where a neighbor calls the cops and tells them some nutcase is shooting.
When I got to the original post and found out the blatant lies which seem to have been said, I got rather peeved. If it were me, I would have bought a copy of the police report the first time. If it had contained blatant slander, I would have sued the liar for $10,000. After being assaulted with deadly weapons and handcuffed, I'd go for $100,000. (you won't get that much, but your slanderous neighbor will have to buy new underwear when served with the summons).
I don't see this as a gunner-anti conflict, I see it as a conflict between an honest citizen and a felon. I'd insist that the felony be prosecuted, and I'd make sure the local prosecuting attorney knew I planned to make throwing him out of office my life's ambition if he declines to prosecute. Malicious filing of false police reports isn't something I can overlook. I might even ask for an order of protection prohibiting her from coming near my property.
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I have a 2240 with long barrel and stock. Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced but good value scope for this gun? Also what do I need to mount the scope? Thanks.
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In Reply to: Re: Air Arms s300 posted by Swinson on August 27, 2000 at 13:35:25:
email or call 405-414-5555
Gracias,
Mike
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In Reply to: a smarter way to use this forum posted by pilkguns on August 27, 2000 at 16:48:46:
(nt)
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In Reply to: WHO CARES???? posted by Tyler on August 27, 2000 at 18:32:37:
Real Americans...That's who. SSlick
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In Reply to: working in Mexico for 4 months, want to hunt pigs posted by Alain on August 27, 2000 at 20:50:27:
The 9mm career would be better (180 foot pounds). Cabelas sells them.
-john
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In Reply to: Airgun Purchasing posted by Robert J. Pelosi on August 27, 2000 at 21:01:12:
No license neccesary (Not yet anyway).
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In Reply to: Can someone give me Chrony figures (not advertised) on a Crosman 2200 w/CPs? Thanks. nt posted by Mike T on August 27, 2000 at 20:24:22:
Mike
I have a friend who when finished tweeking anf tuning them gets right around 600 fps with I think it is 5 pumps
I have one on order and ill let ya know next weekend for sure
HTH
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In Reply to: What's the difference between QB78 and TechForce 78? nt posted by ugotmilk? on August 27, 2000 at 20:50:23:
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Looking For answers on purchasing a airgun,Laws purtaining to purchase one I live in Massachusetts
and can,t get an answer .Do you need A license to carry to purchase an air pistol.Please help
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In Reply to: Observation from the Bench posted by bcd on August 27, 2000 at 16:17:29:
cant find a La Crosse ball try a Hockey puck
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I will be working in Mexico for 4 months and would like to hunt a wild pig (I know.....GOOD LUCK). I would like to purchase a 707 in .25 and take it out. Were is the best spot to purchase a 707? Any one live in Mexico?
Alain
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In Reply to: Has anyone come up wit a easy way to put a 3.5 oz tank on a Crosman 2240 yet? posted by Mike T. on August 27, 2000 at 20:28:16:
Mr. Bulk had come up with several different ways to adapt the tank to the 2240. As a matter of fact I owned one of his modified 2240s. I sold it only because I had too many guns and was trying to move some out. I am sure he would not mind if you emailed him. I have talked to him via email several times. Real nice guy.
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In Reply to: :o) Thank you, Trevor. I caught your earlier response -- will try to avoid open-ended questions in the future. nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 27, 2000 at 18:54:44:
Lloyd,I'll tell you one thing about the Daisy 200 BB gun that no one can take away from the designer,it has the cutest double action you will ever find.So good that the 200 feels like a genuine semiauto to shoot.The model 300 rifle had the same mechanism.I bought my guns new from Sears in 1972.My 200 still shoots well but I have serviced it several times.
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
shall =small
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In Reply to: another thing. posted by JonF. on August 26, 2000 at 23:37:53:
So, if you mount your scope correctly, and your gun and scope and mount are quality and functioning right, you need not worry. After sight in, you have put your line of sight in line with your bore line. You can verify this on a calm day, by shooting at several different yardages. You should see no change in left/right POI, except that which may be attributed to variations in pellets, hold, etc.. Your groups should be basically the same, just lower or higher as the yardage varies. Naturally, as the yardage increases, your groups will get larger. You may now forget about your windage, until you have wind. Then, good luck!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: another thing. posted by JonF. on August 26, 2000 at 23:37:53:
So, if you mount your scope correctly, and your gun and scope and mount are quality and functioning right, you need not worry. After sight in, you have put your line of sight in line with your bore line. You can verify this on a calm day, by shooting at several different yardages. You should see no change in left/right POI, except that which may be attributed to variations in pellets, hold, etc.. Your groups should be basically the same, just lower or higher as the yardage varies. Naturally, as the yardage increases, your groups will get larger. You may now forget about your windage, until you have wind. Then, good luck!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
you need to do it like a game. like darts. or make that targets very small. i shoot in may basement all the time.(shall fib) glue asprin to some paper as targets, or with those silloutte pellet traps and a semi auto CO2 gun setup a mini ipc or ipsc game up..those co2 colt looka likes and a cheap reddot would mimic those game very well
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I know Mr. Bulk was working on something like this, but is anythng available yet? I want to be able to use both a 3.5 oz tank or 12 gram cartridges. Thanks!
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In Reply to: whats the best Pointed Pellet??? nt.... posted by steve on August 26, 2000 at 16:33:40:
Only if your rifle will shoot them accurately and you can find a reason to use them instead of domes.
I'm lucky to have a Sharp Ace that will shoot nearly anything accurately. I use Daisy pointed pellets to shoot sparrows and starlings around my house so as not to be noticed by my nosey neighbors. I shoot from inside the house and the pointed pellets make less impact noise than domes or match pellets. I only shoot them at three pumps, about 525fps. Works great on the birds out to 35 yards.
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 21:53:03:
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In Reply to: Standard technique for homemade Crosman trigg shoe? posted by Brian on August 26, 2000 at 23:27:12:
try some paintball stores, a lot of stuff is interchangable...try url below for samll and air parts
In Reply to: Re: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by HG on August 26, 2000 at 23:14:45:
HG, what Long Rifle ammo are you quoting 90ft.lbs. for? That's .22 short and .22 long country there. The most common Long Rifles (high velocity solids) are advertised at around 140ft.lbs.. Some go more and some (standard velocity and subsonics) go less but I can't recall a long rifle cartridge that (90ft.lbs.) mild. ---- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: Hey Mr.P...The first frost is only a few months away now...Is there any way to bait Cottontail Rabbits?... posted by M Boyle on August 26, 2000 at 23:45:31:
You can cut a bunch of saplings of the type they are feeding on in the area and place them in a small pile. Believe it or not red fox urine attracts rabbits. You can a bottle of this at many of the places that sell bowhunting equipment. This makes a good cover scent too for other types of hunting. In with that pile of saplings, you can place celery, lettuce, carrots and other vegatables. Place these in the thickest parts of thickets where multiple trails intercross each other. Make sure you have a good blind and if you can you might want to use a tree blind. Camo is essential but most of all, you'll want to learn the rabbits feeding times. This will sometimes vary according to the time of the year and the weather so you'll have to do some scouting and observation. ----- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Re: Q about varmint shooting... posted by Bob Miller on August 27, 2000 at 00:59:47:
Bob, H-Points are the most destructive .22 pellets there are (per ft.lb. of impact energy)out to at least 40 yards. I'm talking tissue destruction here, not accuracy. --- Mr.P
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In Reply to: Thanks to all. See inside. posted by Mikey on August 27, 2000 at 19:06:38:
Do you see the pattern developing here? :-) Mikey, have you checked to see if the Brits import their BSA airguns into Canada? I got a SuperStar not too long ago & it has become my favorite airgun. Very accurate, although not as powerful as my RWS 48. Better made than the 48, though! Have a good one!!
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In Reply to: Re: Just curious. And I'm NOT going to buy this gun. posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 18:12:40:
He turns over every stone. Can I hire him to select my portfolio?
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In Reply to: Thanks for all the support and input....here is what I decided... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 23:20:30:
Marty, I've been off the forum for most of the weekend. Sorry you had to be put through that hell. I'm glad the police resolved it as quickly as they did and didn't take you to the precinct.
I think you are right in what you propose to do. She's either spineless as you suggest or a bit mental. If she's a bit mental, then you're still doing the right thing IMO just so long as you're keeping copies of what you sent her. Maybe send the police a copy of everything you're sending her too with a note of explanation?
Also, if you get a police report, seems that would be a good thing to keep handy in your house just in case. Again, I'm darn sorry you had to go through something like this! ---- Take Care, Mike
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In Reply to: Thanks!.... posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 13:04:47:
Airguns scopes might focus down that close, but heck, at 25', do you need any magnification? Now for the pistol, a red dot would be good if you want to work on rapid fire bullseye shooting, or action shooting. I'd suggest a Crosman 357 and the BSA 30mm red dot scope with the airgun mounts. Total cost will be less than $100, and it's a load of fun.
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In Reply to: WHO CARES???? posted by Tyler on August 27, 2000 at 18:32:37:
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In Reply to: Mr P posted by Quack on August 26, 2000 at 15:56:03:
I have found that two bars of Ivory soap mirrors the chest cavity of a grown fox squirrel beautifully. I like the idea of the neutrogena too but would have to recalibrate all my findings to that medium.
The .177 Crow Mag was the pellet used at 6ft.lbs. and this gave ideal penetration as it got to the opposite side of the chest cavity but did not push up against the offside hide (it takes ALOT of pizzaz to exit that offside hide!).
Two bars of Ivory represent (from actual shooting on the critters and the soap) ideal penetration with a behind the shoulder chest shot. --- Mr.P
You will find that just about all of your guns of adequate power for fox squirrels will also provide a certain amount of surplus penetration. The .20 Crow Mag was the best at keeping a large amount of energy in a short wound path. Just know that there is a difference in stopping power between say 3" of penetration as opposed to 4". If for example, you have two pellets of the same diameter, hitting exactly the same place at the same impact energy, the pellet doing 3" will be noticeably more effective (providing you had enough impact energy and enough frontal area for said impact energy to begin with).
Does that mean that a pellet doing 4 or 5 inches of penetration is hopeless for double-lung shot fox squirrels compared to one that does 3"?
Not necessarily. Put enough extra, surplus impact energy behind the deep penetration and/or up the caliber(and therefore the initial frontal area) and you in effect compensate for the excessive pentration. There is insufficient penetration, ideal penetration, an optimum zone of penetration (surplus penetration but still good results) and finally, excessive penetration.
A .25 pellet like a Ram Point may very well do 5" of penetration but it is still death to fox squirrels because of the enormous initial frontal area that is crushing tissue, bone and organs. Admittedly, the 3" penetration of the .25 Crow Mag gives it a real edge (which shows up better in fringe vital organ hits) in stopping power but the fact is that the .25's are wicked even with penetration that would be prohibitively excessive for other calibers. ---- Mr.P
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In Reply to: WHO CARES???? posted by Tyler on August 27, 2000 at 18:32:37:
No American pride there fella? If you don't care about this, I am curious...do you vote?
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The matches will be held at Haltom City RPC (near Fort Worth) on Sept. 9 & 10. Rifle in the morning and pistol in the afternoon.
C-Ya
Charlie
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In Reply to: The Americans get it cheap? No way. posted by peter huppertz on August 27, 2000 at 18:15:06:
From what I read here the #1 reason for premature gas ram failure is using the ram at maximum pressure. If I had the RX-1 which is rated at 24 bar max I would reduce that pressure to 21 or 22 bar. It may also help with accuracy as a bonus.
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In Reply to: Thanks to all. See inside. posted by Mikey on August 27, 2000 at 19:06:38:
buy airguns.
Have a good and safe time
Joe W.
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In Reply to: R7 front sight removal--how to? Muzzlebrake? posted by JP on August 27, 2000 at 09:30:48:
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Thank to all that have offered advise. I always amazes me that the variety of "Favorite" airguns. I am going to go with the Diana but MARKD was right. I will be adding a Beeman of some sort to my collection.
One of the reasons is that Diana has a diistributor in Canada and it is sometimes a real pain to import this kind of thing.
I think Airgunners need some sort of a twelve step program. I seem to be spinning out of control.
Mikey
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In Reply to: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 22:54:08:
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In Reply to: Re: Hobbies, Big Boys Toys and Big $$$$$$ posted by Art on August 27, 2000 at 13:48:50:
Art: to a point, I'll agree with you. When a PCP is under 14 fpe output, they aren't bad at all. Start pushing 15 fpe+, and they start getting noisier. Russ
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In Reply to: Make me feel like a heel, whydontcha posted by HG on August 27, 2000 at 14:03:06:
Geez, Hap - you have now joined the company of Mr. P in his efforts to save my wallet and Visa card from eternal deficit spending!! Hey, it works for the government, but they can just print up some more when they get the urge!! Fear not!! I have currently run out of things to sell off to raise additional airgun funds! ;-) I figure the world is fairly safe until it's IRS refund time again!!! Bwa-ha-ha!!! Have a good (and/or happy) one!
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In Reply to: BE CAREFUL, you'll shoot your eye out!!!!!!!!nt posted by Jean Shepherd on August 26, 2000 at 18:22:44:
"Beware! Beware! Always remember never to run with scissors or any other pointy objects. Oh yeah, it's all good clean fun until someone loses and eye!"
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In Reply to: Mr. Mosquito to the rescue!! posted by Lee Chastant on August 27, 2000 at 13:19:17:
Lee: that dry ice idea could prove entertaining- LOL. I went out this morning and bought more repellent, so I'se ready! BTW, at least 30 more dead birds (tested positive for WNV) were recovered this week- all crows, just in CT. It seems to be everywhere west of the Connecticut River (where I am). Maybe I need to develop a PCP powered Phalanx System, shooting .22 CP's; installed in the back yard, with radar controlled Crow detection. heh heh. RB
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In Reply to: Daisy 200 vs Crosman MK I or II? posted by Steve B. on August 27, 2000 at 18:51:37:
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In Reply to: Re: My Final decision!! Maybe??? posted by john on August 27, 2000 at 16:15:53:
Mainly Field target and hunting. I live on a little over 100 acres so I can shoot the air rifle any time I want. 90 percent of that 100 Acres is wooded.
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In Reply to: Re: My Final decision!! Maybe??? posted by MarkD on August 27, 2000 at 16:58:31:
I know, I am really hooked on this. Great fun!!
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In Reply to: Re: Daisy Model 200 CO2 pistol in .177 -- I am soliciting opinions on the gun, as well as information about accuracy, fit and finish, comparison with Crosman Mark I or Mark II, and price range for a used one in good condition. Thank you nt posted by trevor on August 27, 2000 at 18:41:52:
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In Reply to: Daisy Model 200 CO2 pistol in .177 -- I am soliciting opinions on the gun, as well as information about accuracy, fit and finish, comparison with Crosman Mark I or Mark II, and price range for a used one in good condition. Thank you nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 27, 2000 at 18:15:27:
Lloyd: Comparing a Daisy 200 to the MK I or II is like comparing a sow's ear to a silk purse (blasphimus same might say). About all they have in common is pot metal. The 200 is a BB gun only, crappy feed, leaks and malfunctions are common etc. When they do work ok they are in the same league as the Auto Air II, except the Auto Air II is a better gun. The 1200 repeater was Daisys attempt to fix the problems and it too is a POS. Buy the Crosmans.
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: GUN OWNER DECLARATIONS ON 1040 TAX RETUEN ? posted by Big Brother on August 27, 2000 at 10:53:56:
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In Reply to: Daisy Model 200 CO2 pistol in .177 -- I am soliciting opinions on the gun, as well as information about accuracy, fit and finish, comparison with Crosman Mark I or Mark II, and price range for a used one in good condition. Thank you nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 27, 2000 at 18:15:27:
In August 1973 GUNS Consumer Cguide rated this pistol as @nd choice amongst CO2 handguns (first was the S&W 78G).First choice amongst springers was the Winchester 353(Diana 5),second was the Webley Premier).Top of the Match pistols were,the FWB 65 at #1 and the Walther LP3 at #2.
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In Reply to: The AA100 project has now successfully concluded. posted by peter huppertz on August 27, 2000 at 07:36:17:
Peter that is great but I think it is always the "owners" fault hehe ("owners fault" is directed towards me)
By the way what scope do you have on your HW97 I am considering the swift scope but I do not want the bell to get in the way of the loading port.
MarkD
ps Did I mention my .22 Career gets 69 shots with a 25fps spread at 25foot pounds he he just had to say that knowing youre love for the Career!
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In Reply to: Re: AMERICAN AIRGUNNER MAGAZINE Does Anybody recall this publication? posted by Mike Cooper on August 27, 2000 at 18:34:34:
And did I mention that the charge HAS cleared my bank!
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In Reply to: Re: AMERICAN AIRGUNNER MAGAZINE Does Anybody recall this publication? posted by tom c. on August 27, 2000 at 16:48:32:
I renewed my script. three weeks ago. Tonya took the call. Thurs. I got a letter from them apologizing for the delay and explaining that after 3 publishers, they've just struck a deal with a co. in Iowa. I noticed that the old renewal date had'nt been updated, so I called, left a message on their machine AND E-MAILED a message. I've yet to get a response. I hope that they're to busy covering the world FT match to get back to me.
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In Reply to: Sawing the barrel posted by Roger McAllen on August 26, 2000 at 20:41:50:
You should use a metal lathe to cut the barrel square then recrown the muzzle. Possibly you could make some sort of jig to place on barrel and file it square. You should recrown in any case.
Art
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In Reply to: Off Topic: but Clinton plans to Publicly Disgrase America again! posted by Boxlock on August 27, 2000 at 14:12:58:
Honestly guys this all seems too silly to worry about. Its only some dumb simbolic thing anyway you look at it. Its only a piece of fabric, just relax, the world isnt ending. Besides if some country visited you, wouldnt you expect their flag to be lower than yours? This all seems like a rather childish argument. Just let it go.
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In Reply to: My Final decision!! Maybe??? posted by Mikey on August 27, 2000 at 15:06:09:
If not PCP, definately the R-9. HW guns are much more refined than RWS. The looks and feel are something you'll appreciate and.......Cherish!
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In Reply to: 1 more thing posted by Gareth on August 27, 2000 at 17:13:38:
You might get more luck asking the same question on a UK-based message board! ;-)
cheers,
peter
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In Reply to: The Americans get it cheap? No way. posted by peter huppertz on August 27, 2000 at 18:15:06:
the HW97k can be had here for around UKL 250. And I think that the TX200, which is better than the HW97k out of the box, can be had for around for around that amount as well.
cheers,
peter
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In Reply to: Re: Just curious. And I'm NOT going to buy this gun. posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 18:12:40:
It say's in the Airgun Refrence Library the gun that was tested is $650. That's alot of $$$. <;o)
SeeYa,
Cody Dotter
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In Reply to: Re: Just curious. And I'm NOT going to buy this gun. posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 18:12:40:
It say's in the Airgun Refrence Library the gun that was tested is $650. That's alot of $$$.
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In Reply to: spring/gas ram posted by Gareth on August 27, 2000 at 17:10:29:
What's the TX200 cost in your neck of the woods? Most likely a *lot* cheaper than it is in the USA. The same goes for Theobens, Weihrauchs and the likes.
It doesn't need an external silencer, and it's about the most accurate 12 ft/lbs springer normal money can buy out of the box.
Scopes can be had from the States cheaper than in the UK, so you might want to get you a $150 spring rated scope (if I would have to pick one, I'd choose the Swift 669MTA 6-18x44 for $155), and another UKL 30 for a decent set of mounts (the Max mounts come to mind).
To give you an idea: my Weihrauch HW97k can be bought new here for around UKL 300. You can probably get a new TX200 for a similar amount.
My scope (the aforementioned Swift) comes for $150, which is around UKL100, but you'd have to add taxes to that.
The excellent Max mounts from England are sold in the Netherlands for around UKL 25.
That leaves you with enough money to buy a couple tins of pellets.
With spring guns like the HW97k and the TX200 around, I don't see the need for a gas ram, and I dislike them anyway, since they're expensive to replace and more failure-prone than spring guns. Not that gas rams are extremely failure-prone, it's just that good spring guns like the TX200 are extremely reliable.
(I'm probably going to attcact a couple flames for the above remark, but hey...)
cheers,
peter
(from across the North Sea)
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In Reply to: Leapers 6x32 for 20 bucks posted by Jason Wu on August 27, 2000 at 13:00:57:
I have one.
The optics are better than I expected considering the price.
Down side is I could not get it to focus at less than about 15 yds.
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In Reply to: Just curious. And I'm NOT going to buy this gun. posted by Cody Dotter on August 27, 2000 at 18:08:37:
Yes, it does have open sights, and the price in .22 is the same as .177. Very nice airgun, but we don't know what price you're seeing. It's really just a multishot version of the Superstar, which is considerably less money, although the Goldstar does have slightly less felt recoil(an internal mod). RB
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Is the BSA GoldStar worth the money? Is it accurate in .22 cal? What's the price in .22 cal? Does it have iron sights? ThanX! <;o)
SeeYa,
Cody Dotter
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In Reply to: RIFLES posted by JOHN DNNELLY on August 27, 2000 at 15:48:23:
A uaed gun in good condition is usually always a good deal. Try to get a gun that is shooting near 12 ft/lbs if at all possible. Over there in the UK, there should be TONS of info available to you. There are also MANY airgunshops for you to visit. Pick up a copy of both Airgunner and Airgun World magazines for locations and shop listings. RB
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In Reply to: R7 front sight removal--how to? Muzzlebrake? posted by JP on August 27, 2000 at 09:30:48:
The R-7 sight must be 'drifted' off. The barrel must be supported while doing so, as close to the dovetail as possible. If you don't want to use a brass drift, Brownells and BSquare sell front sight removal tools that clamp the the barrel (I think) and use a screw to apply the necessary pressure to move the sight from it's dovetail. RB
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In Reply to: Re: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Steve B. on August 27, 2000 at 15:34:09:
The URL is below.
Click on home also as this is a 4 page collection of different targets. The Fly is my favorite.
This is Mark er's Target Gallery web page.
In Reply to: Re: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by HG on August 27, 2000 at 14:18:41:
> this nice little hobby is turned into a big bucks game
Not if you don't want it to. You have a choice, remember?
Lots of shooters ARE going the PCP route indeed, and while I may not like that (I'm a spring aficionado, and like shooting my HW97k or a 48 best), I can see why that is: for a niche group (FT shooters) they ARE superior; not for being more accurate per se, but for being virtually recoilless -- although, after having shot a 707, even at a modest (green) power setting, it's amazing how recoilless and quiet a 12 yr old Air Arms gun can be ;-)
We all tend to know that there are a couple factors that can make a GUN accurate, but a while a TX200 can be as accurate as any PCP, chances are most shooters will bring in better match results with PCP's. And since the springer class is nonexistent in the UK, if you want to shoot with the top dogs, don't even try to enter a match with your HW97 ;-)
As to the power argument, I tend to agree with you partly. IF you are in a situation in which you can freely choose between, say, a Career and a .22 rimfire, in measurable terms the rimfire would win hands down.
However, my guess is that those of us who can choose to use either a pellet gun or a rimfire are in the minority, which is a point that our friend Ted conveniently forgets.
Also, our friend seems to think that the Career 707 is the quintessential PCP, and as such serves as a model for all PCP's. This is really hardly the case. Target shooting is an altogether different game.
I know I'm going to draw blood with the next remark, but really: a Feinwerkbau P70, be it in Olympic or FT trim, or a Daystate CRX, or even a lowly cheapskate FT rig like the Air Arms Pro Target is a couple notches up in the food chain over a standard Career in terms of accuracy, quality and recoillessness.
It's just that it's a totally different game. Anyone who, based on his requirements, discounts PCP's as being useless and fancy, may just be missing precisely that point. Trust me, I've tried it myself -- at a few FT matches, one of them being an international event. It's that last experience that brought me to venture into the PCP realm. While folks say that I'm a very decent spring gun shooter, I just found it too damn ridiculously easy to hit them targets with a PCP.
In the Netherlands, we intend to have a separate springer/gas ram class. At the next Dutch event, I plan to enter with the HW97k, since this gun now has the Swift 669MTA back that it rightfully owned in the first place.
When I posted my report of the AA100 now getting 100 shots before needing a recharge, I remember thinking "how many shots does the Aitch Double You need before it needs a relube" ;-)
peter
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In Reply to: Re: Daisy Model 99 posted by Steve B. on August 26, 2000 at 16:01:42:
Steve,
Don't know the year. The spring loaded magazine holds about 30 BBs, autoloads one per cocking action.
The feeding is flawless, the power is dreadful. I guess I will set aside a couple of hours to take the thing apart and look at its innards.
Kris
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In Reply to: Re: Daisy Model 99 posted by Steve B. on August 26, 2000 at 16:01:42:
Steve,
Don't know the year. The spring loaded magazine holds about 30 BBs, autoloads one per cocking action.
The feeding is flawless, the power is dreadful. I guess I will set aside a couple of hours to take the thing apart and look at its innards.
Kris
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In Reply to: Help! R7 goes bang and pellet gets stuck in barrel!! posted by JC on August 27, 2000 at 02:08:32:
If this is only an occasional and not a constant problem, you are almost certainly not properly seating the pellet somehow.
Most likely you are either leaving the pellet skirt protruding slightly from the breech, or you are closing the barrel too quickly and actually slinging the pellet partially out of position. Either way, the skirt is getting mashed by the breech face when the barrel is closed.
The cure is to use pellets that fit snugly, but are not so large as to stick out past the breech face. And gently snug them into the breech with some sort of seating tool to ensure they don't get tossed out.
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In Reply to: qb-78 posted by john on August 27, 2000 at 16:42:22:
n/t
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In Reply to: AirMonkey SHERIDAN C9 Stock is currently available (pics) posted by AirMonkey on August 27, 2000 at 16:52:19:
I'm 13 and I just spent my summer earnings on a Steriod Ben/Sher 392 from Mac1.So I dont have any $(yet) or anything,but could you make a left handed thumbhole stock out of walnut for it?Possibly camo painted(its my hunting gun)?Can you estimate how much?
Thanks-Josh P.
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In Reply to: Re: Forgot to mention ... posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 17:21:35:
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In Reply to: spring/gas ram posted by Gareth on August 27, 2000 at 17:10:29:
Have you looked at the Theobens? RB
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In Reply to: Forgot to mention ... posted by bcd on August 27, 2000 at 17:17:02:
BCD: my favorite rest is 1" WIDE one, covered in naugahyde and filled with a mix of styrofoam balls and some small plastic decorative beads. It's not rock hard, but not too soft either. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Observation from the Bench posted by bcd on August 27, 2000 at 17:07:37:
... the length of the roll supporting the gun
(measured along the guns long axis) turned out,
in my case, to be critical. If it was too long,
i.e. touched too much of the stock lengthwise,
results were uniformly bad. Silly me assumed that
something the size of a standard rest bag would be
fine, tsk tsk.
Also, I REALLY appreciate your patience through
all this, you probably regularly get the urge to
throw in the towel ... no pun intended.
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how and where do i get a fac
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can anyone recommend a decent spring/gas ram air gun for 500 quid/1200 dollors, with scope and silencer.
I live in England so you Americans probably got it cheap (keep that in mind)
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In Reply to: Re: Airgun hunting, don't forget your camera. posted by Brian on August 27, 2000 at 13:02:31:
While your online try ebay.I've made great buys on stuff of all kinds there.
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In Reply to: Re: Observation from the Bench posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 16:44:02:
I did that, though not in 1/2" steps, more like ~1",
but no joy when I did it. Interestingly, the
balance point method has at least +/- an inch
forgiveness. I suspect the reason I didn't track
it down with the step change approach was the
material, a rolled up mat that didn't change shape
so much with each shot. Apparently that was part
of the mix. I'm still not happy with the rolled
up towel, so that part of the search continues.
Wish I had more guns so I could play with this
problem more. Also wish I had a gun I could
sacrifice to epoxying accelerometers on so my
"data" wasn't so blasted much SWAG :-))
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In Reply to: Re: Air Arms s300 posted by RGunn on August 27, 2000 at 12:29:13:
There aint a problem getting one, i've found 'em every where in the latest of an air gun magazine.
just wanted to know if it was any good.
I know about the s400 series, but decided not to get one coz of the price. I only wonna spend around £500 (which is about 1200 us dollors, i think)
thx for ya help
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In Reply to: Off Topic: but Clinton plans to Publicly Disgrase America again! posted by Boxlock on August 27, 2000 at 14:12:58:
That rotten ass SOB. I can't believe this is America.
This is F'n BS. This guy's like a deer tick, you don't
see him messing things up and then of all things these
idiotic flock of sheep America has become has the
gaul to say "Oh Bill's doing such a fine job, isn't he"...
After all I've seen this guy get away with I think
I'd feel safer in the showers of a maximum security
jail bending over for the soap right under a street
sign saying "enter here". If anyone deserved a debilitating
diease he wins hands down. I gotta stop here, I'm
so pissed I'm over here offering myself to prisoners
when ironically it she be him!!!!!!!!!
Please forgive me for this ty-rade, I'm very sorry!!!!!
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In Reply to: My Final decision!! Maybe??? posted by Mikey on August 27, 2000 at 15:06:09:
My recomendation would be leaning toward the R-9 in 177 unless you were planning pest control then I would say BSA supersport in .22 These would seem to be a nice step in the direction of spring guns.
I say this because my first spring gun was the rws-48 in .22 cal it was a beast to tame (actually it tamed me) I shot it alot and was very disgusted with it until I learned to shoot it right. Now if I do my part it shoots nicely.
MarkD
PS Most likely you will not stop buying these guns anyway so you might as well get a R-9 in the collection now! hehe
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In Reply to: Parallax posted by chasm on August 27, 2000 at 14:05:35:
I've run across some BSA Bronze series scopes, that while equipped with AO, had gross parallax error. Others in the same series were just fine. It could just be that that particular scope of yours is out of whack. Regards, Russ
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Click on the URL to see another AirMonkey exclusive;-)
Have a great day,
Jeff
In Reply to: a smarter way to use this forum posted by pilkguns on August 27, 2000 at 16:48:46:
try this one ,
yes, I can be a dummy too sometimes...
In Reply to: My Final decision!! Maybe??? posted by Mikey on August 27, 2000 at 15:06:09:
Mikey: the gun isn;t known as a Nobel 52. It's a Diana Mod. 52 made by Mayer und Grammelspacher, and is distributed by the RWS division of RWS/Dynamit-Nobel. Regards, Russ
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I notice an awful lot of responses tomessages on this forum are in essence duplicates. i can only conclude that this because the poster of the answeringmessage has not seen all the the other messages that are repaeting waht he is about to say. There is a better way to view this forum, kindly provided by Tom and Edith. The link is below, I suggest you replace your current bookmark with it. t
This way you can now respond to the answers in turn, as needed because now you can see if someon hs already said waht you were going to say, AND if you do have someting to add to the discusion, you can add it the thread line, making it much EASIER on the rest of us to read them, going from message to messge, not having to wear out your BACK button to read every individual post
In Reply to: AMERICAN AIRGUNNER MAGAZINE Does Anybody recall this publication? posted by RON on August 27, 2000 at 13:44:46:
They went out of business in 1992.
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
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In Reply to: Observation from the Bench posted by bcd on August 27, 2000 at 16:17:29:
"The closest reference is to a "sweet
spot", with no elaboration on how to find it.
I DID elaborate on how to find it. I recall saying that you shoould start about 2" in front of the trigger guard, fire a couple groups, then advance the rest point 1/2"(towards the muzzle) and shoot another group. Do this for about 7", 1/2" at a time. Use a piece of masking tape to mark the spot as you go along, noting group size as you go. When you are done, you should place the tape at the spot that yielded the best groupings, and then get accustomed to resting the gun there.
One thing that can confuse the issue is your pellet selection, because different pellets will have a slightly different sweet spot. Unless you know you are using the best pellet for your gun, this could lead to LOTS of testing, until the best combination is worked out. Regards, Russ
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i am interested in purchasing this gun, but fear that if i do most of what little extra money i have on airguns will go towards purchasing c02 (which would reduce the amount of money i can save up to purchase more guns/ammo). i have a few questions after looking around on the internet for a little while. would it be possible to use mac1's bulk fill kit but instead of using a bulk fill c02 tank use a high pressure air tank similar to those on a pcp? now obviously i wouldn't fill to 2000 psi. my dad has an air compressor that can put in up to 500 psi. the gun would probably need better seals but could this be done?
thnx,
john
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Let's look in the Ten P files
In Reply to: Sidewheel adjustable parallax posted by Alex on August 27, 2000 at 15:54:28:
Cabelas (1-800-237-444) $399.99 P/N XL-71-1033-004
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In Reply to: My Final decision!! Maybe??? posted by Mikey on August 27, 2000 at 15:06:09:
You might want to look at the R9. Not NEARLY as
heavy ias the RWS 52.
It's a shame you don't want to go CO2 or PCP -- I
LOVE my QB77's & Daystates. Career is very nice
as well...
Mike
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In Reply to: Re: Yaw Model posted by bcd on August 24, 2000 at 23:45:12:
how about an eccentric bore or asymemtrical pellet or rifle engraving or all of the aforemention.
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Finally found a way to significantly reduce the
vertical spread when shooting from a rest. In all
the material I've found so far that talks about
the problem, the following little tidbit is not
mentioned. The closest reference is to a "sweet
spot", with no elaboration on how to find it.
For my situation, the "sweet spot" was simply the
longitudinal balance point of the gun. This is an
unscoped, out-of-box gun, so beware of assuming
this is a universal solution.
I still haven't found the optimum supporting
material, but "hope springs eternal". I think it
was Craig who mentioned a La Crosse ball, which
I haven't tried. I think I'll scratch around for
some vibration isolation elastomeric material that
is tuned to damp certain frequencies. More about
this notion later.
After going through a lot of materials and
fiddling, preceded by some back-of-envelope
analysis, here's the setup that gave the best
results:
- Rice bag base
- Towel rolled up tightly so it made minimum
necessary contact with the gun
- Gun placed on the towel so that it would stay
roughly on target without any other support, i.e.
balanced on the towel
This just about eliminated vertical spread. I
experimented with several bulls worth of moving
the towel support from the trigger guard out to
the tip of the forend. All but the balance point
were absolutely wretched. Interestingly, at the
tip of the forend, never touching the barrel, I
also got significant change in lateral spread; as
much as 2 inches.
To be clear, the spread is gone, but the rested
POI is still well above my offhand POI.
I still have the problem of the rest material
(the towel) changing shape during a 5-shot
sequence. Of course that shows up in the groups.
Again, finding the right elastomer, if such a
thing is possible, should work that problem.
I made some really gross estimates of the firing
mechanism shock pulse and came up with something
on the order of 200 milliseconds. Please DO NOT
quote me on that, it's a total SWAG, starting out
with defendable numbers and then degrading to WAG
quickly :-) Unfortunately, that is a pretty long
duration, and will make finding a suitable damped
elastomer difficult, but hopefully not impossible.
Of course I'm talking something that is not
customized ... unless we have a volunteer :-)) I
also have no clue as to the actual shape of the
shock pulse.
Finally, I'm down to spreads that I can attribute
to iron sight parallax and other sight picture
vagaries, trigger pull, wobbulation, etc. I'm
still not entirely happy, but the one main nagging
problem has been solved ... FINALLY.
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In Reply to: My Final decision!! Maybe??? posted by Mikey on August 27, 2000 at 15:06:09:
what will you be using your gun for? pinking, hunting, ft, etc.
john
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In Reply to: Re:ok, color me stupid. whats a smith chart?NT posted by bcd on August 25, 2000 at 21:49:01:
my hp4396A would plot a Smith chart @ the push of a menu button.
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Have had new Beeman GS-1000 for several months now, and its accuracy seems to get better the more I shoot. This gun has excellent fit and finish, magnum velocity, and at around $210.00, it is a great bargain!
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In Reply to: Starter Air Rifle Beeman or RWS posted by Todd from Spokane on August 22, 2000 at 13:03:16:
New Beeman GS-1000 would be excellent choice-light weight (7.5lbs), magnum velocity and fit and finish of guns costing in $500-600 range. this gun has performes flawlessly and seems to get more accurate the more I shoot it. At aroun $210.00, it is a great bargain!
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In Reply to: Re: my new favorite airgun posted by Gary on August 23, 2000 at 21:48:08:
New Beeman GS-1000 is great new gun-have shot over 2000 times and accuracy seems to get better the more I shoot it. This gun has fit and finish of guns costing in the $500 range, and has performed flawlessly. This gun will blow a hole through a 1x4 pine board with H&N match pellets. Have Bushnell 3x9 scope with Beeman mounts. This gun sells for about $210.00- a great bargain!
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Hello everyone. I'm looking for a good scope with side wheel adjustable parallax (from 15 yards to infinity). Please help me!!
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In Reply to: Standard technique for homemade Crosman trigg shoe? posted by Brian on August 26, 2000 at 23:27:12:
I purchased a very nice trigger shoe from MAC-1 (url below) along with my modified 2250. I believe it was a mere $5 at the time (Nov '99). It is wide, with vertical grooves, and attaches with (2) very small allen-head set screws.
I live in yorkshire and would like some help on buying a air rifle second hand if possible can anyone PLEASE advice its for shooting magpies & wood pigeons or should i buy new
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In Reply to: Re: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Art on August 27, 2000 at 13:44:43:
Art: I remember seeing this target a year or two back but I don't recall where. Do you have a copy or a URL?
regards - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Re: Clinton is never off topic! nt posted by Lon on August 27, 2000 at 14:28:34:
Pay special attention to the part where the author claims to have been ordered to wear a U.N. uniform.
In Reply to: Re: anyone own a daisy 888 sporter 3 position? posted by James McAllister on August 26, 2000 at 14:58:30:
I appreciate your response. I looked at the 853/753, Both look like fine airguns. I have never seen the crossman 2000. I do know that as of now the 888 is not currently legal in 3position shooting. I looked at the pilkington competition homepage and it seems that most of the top shooters are using the 753. It apparently has the beter sights as well as deeper pistol grip. Di you have little ones that shoot 3pos? I am just trying to get my boy into it now. He is only 10. Right now he is using one of those marksman biathlon trainers that I have modified a little. Pretty accurate for a $40.00 gun, but I think he is about over it and is ready for something with real accuracy. Have you ever shot the 2000? How is the trigger? How many shots do you get on a fill? Is it legal in 3 pos competition? Inquiring minds wanna know.....
Little Pete
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In Reply to: Does the TX200 have iron sights? posted by tpb on August 27, 2000 at 09:43:16:
You could buy a red dot sight. Then buy a scope later.
SeeYa,
Cody Dotter
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After months of reading this forum, keeping my mouth shut, asking what I thought were intellegent questions I have come to a decision.
I started out on a Crosman Black Serpent, 420 fps,
single pump. Great starter gun. Very accurate and easy to learn with. Then got a Crosman 2100. More power and fun to shoot. Took a long time to learn different pumping amounts for accuracy but again learned a lot. Really built up one arm also.
Now my wife, in her usual terrific way, said, and I quote, get whatever you want and it can be my anniversary present to you.
I don't want a PCP yet and CO2 doesn't seem to be the way to go.
Therefore I have decided on an Nobel Model 52 in .22. Any thoughts from the experts? All comments welcome, good or bad.
After all most of what I have learned in the last 6 months about airguns has been from this forum.
Thanks
Mikey
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In Reply to: Re: GUN OWNER DECLARATIONS ON 1040 TAX RETUEN ? posted by Swinson on August 27, 2000 at 11:25:57:
Gettin real tired of my own government trying to screw me all the time...no better time than now to join the NRA and register to vote if you haven't already!
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
I shoot from inside to outside. I won't bother to
describe my setup, but the trick is to make the
least amount of detectable noise. A large wooden
packing crate or plastic container, with target
and pellet trap deep within and surrounded by rags
or whatever, can be placed outside. Shoot from
well inside, and the gun's report will only be
audible to someone standing by the target.
This assumes that you have some direction that is
not 'open' to a neighbor's house.
Having said that, my favorite distance is only
about 30 ft. Let's me concentrate on the fine
points. In other words, scale the target down
to fit the distance!
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In Reply to: Off Topic: but Clinton plans to Publicly Disgrase America again! posted by Boxlock on August 27, 2000 at 14:12:58:
This forum thread gives a little insight to this boo-boo.
In Reply to: Off Topic: but Clinton plans to Publicly Disgrase America again! posted by Boxlock on August 27, 2000 at 14:12:58:
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In Reply to: Re: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by peter huppertz on August 27, 2000 at 10:04:34:
Seem like lots of shooters are going the pcp route. I saw a referral about even olympic shooters moving in that direction. Your comment about I vs You is correct. The burr under my saddle is that this nice little hobby is turned into a big bucks game.
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Sorry for the off topic post but this will probably not make the liberal press untill it's too late. Please see the link below.
Fellos Airgunners,
Call me stupid, or whatever, as I've just learned a lesson, I think, that most of you already know. Recently, I've been having a devil of a time getting good groups with one of my best springers. It has been downright embarassing at times. With most of my scoped rifles, I get reasonable groups when I have the bullseye centered in the scope cross hairs. With the air rifle in question it is not only necessary to have the bull centered, but it is also necessary to have the eye-to-scope distance exactly the same for each shot. A little difference results in a flyer. This has been most frustrating. Question is, are some scopes more sensitive in this regard than others? Scope in question is not a very expensive model compared to some others I use which don't seem to be as finicky. TIA
chasm
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In Reply to: There ya go, dashing my dreams!! posted by Lee Chastant on August 27, 2000 at 12:23:45:
I am only interested in the salvation of your wallet.
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In Reply to: " Dynamit Nobel is a manufacturer of explosives ... " [url] posted by vZc® on August 27, 2000 at 13:49:57:
" ... is engaged in the manfacturing and distribution of quality shooting sports products made in Germany. "
Frank Turner of RWS in New Jersey is the distribution operation.
Corrections are welcomed.
In Reply to: To answer your earlier post.... posted by Fearon Steele on August 26, 2000 at 16:34:55:
I have a single shot 2250B too. It gives me about 510-520 with most pellets in .22 cal.
Regards, Slick
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In Reply to: Re: Airgun hunting, don't forget your camera. posted by RGunn on August 27, 2000 at 13:31:43:
J C Penneys advertised a 1 megapixel(not bad res) digital camera 4 $80 w/flash. Even came in cool colors.
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In Reply to: Re: The .25 Career long rifle.....how accurate it it ????? Target link inside posted by RGunn on August 27, 2000 at 13:38:16:
I don't have a digital camera or scanner, so Randy was kind enough to scan the target and email me the file back. Ain't it great, all the super people here on the AGL!!
Thanks again Randy!!
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: " ... so who manufactures them " ? [url] posted by vZc® on August 27, 2000 at 13:44:13:
"... in Germany since the late 1800’s, wholly owned by The Metallgesellschaft.
http://www.dynamitnobel.de/d/start_dyna1.html
Those Career .25 caliber's don't shoot worth a hoot! See Marty's post below on the forum.
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In Reply to: Hobbies, Big Boys Toys and Big $$$$$$ posted by Happy Gardener on August 27, 2000 at 02:33:49:
I disagree with the PCP guns are loud. I have an Air Arms S300 in .177 caliber without a moderator and it is very quiet.
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Are all scope rails the same? Are there standard types? If there are different types, how are they identified?
thanks,
ttyl
tpb
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I remember reading an airgun magazine called American Airgunner, published out of Arkansas? What ever happened to it?
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
You may want to think about a pistol. I have a Daisy 717 and an IZH46. I shoot these in my garage in winter it about 25 feet.
I also use a Daisy 753 with iron sights that came with it.
Even at 25 ft. try and get an accurate gun. A fun target for this is the one with a picture of a Fly, they are 16 of them on a target.
BTW: another forum member holds informal fly contests with these targets, consider getting some buddies together and try it.
Art
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In Reply to: Diana, Nobel RWS Question. posted by Mikey on August 27, 2000 at 12:13:56:
note company entities @ bottom of url
In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
This is coming into the discussion a little late, but doesn't that .22 pellet wacking into the 2x12's make a pretty loud noise?
Maybe a silent trap in front of the wood might keep the pow-bang noise down to just the pow part.
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In Reply to: The .25 Career long rifle.....how accurate it it ????? Target link inside posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 27, 2000 at 01:46:48:
Ugly girls are the best lovers! Hehehehe. Nice shootn' Marty!
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In Reply to: Re: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by Bryan Targett on August 27, 2000 at 07:02:19:
You are one sick fellow!
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Fixing Airgun Sights posted by Doug on August 27, 2000 at 13:31:54:
Isn't it just screwed on?? RB
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In Reply to: Air Arms s300 posted by Gareth on August 27, 2000 at 12:22:15:
Look around at your local shops, also check the online places. There are plenty out there as I just bought another and a friend bought one as well. It will be replaced by the 400 series but that means dealers that are stocking the 300 will soon off load them CHEAP. The last one I got was $338. about $70 off the normal price.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Hy-Score .177 pellet pistol posted by JJ Parker on August 26, 2000 at 21:38:47:
I agree with Don's response below. These are also known as the Hy-score "concentric" pistols, becaule of the concentric piston around the barrel. The 802 series were repeaters.
I'm looking for 800, 802, 803 series pistols for a collection. If you're interested in selling, Email me directly.
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I own a Gamo Hunter 440 which I rarely get to shoot because of gun restrictions and how much range time costs. I've shot no more than 300 rds through it and the rear sight just poped off. I am no expert gunsmith and would like to know how I can get the sight back on. Speaking of gunsmiths I don't have the money or parents willing enough to take me to the gunsmith. Any help would be appriceated. Thanks.
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In Reply to: Re: Airgun hunting, don't forget your camera. posted by Brian on August 27, 2000 at 13:02:31:
Thanks for the compliment, but nothing to be envious about. Just purchase a simple view finder type 35MM camera and shoot some photos.
I don't use an SLR type camera. My hunting camera is a simple Olympus XA view finder, fixed lens camera.
Many would be photographers believe an expensive SLR camera with several different lens options is required to take good photos. Just not true. Simple, inexpensive view finder type cameras are designed to take portrait type photos, and that is what harvested game photos are.
No excuse not to have a small camera on hand to capture those hunting memeories for eternity :-)
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In Reply to: Air Arms s300 posted by Gareth on August 27, 2000 at 12:22:15:
I have an Air Arms S300. I bought it as a first PCP gun. I am well pleased with it. The is an adjustment for the power settings on right just above the stock,it takes an allen wrench to adjust this. I am in US so it's an FAC model it can shoot CP 10.5's around 1000 fps ( 24FLB). I have mine turned down to 890 fps. It is acurrate.
I have fired groups around 3/8" at 25 yards. I have not had any problems with the gun. I bought mine new for $425 and is a bargain IMHO.
Art
AA has replaced this line with a 400 series but I do not know if price has increased or not.
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In Reply to: " Take TV away to stimulate the brain " that is a good one can I use that line? posted by MarkD on August 26, 2000 at 22:03:21:
Go ahead and use the line. Perhaps if enough of us do so, it
will put an end to the TV menace that's destoying us..........
Charlie
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In Reply to: Re: Another Airgun Forum.. posted by Dave N on August 27, 2000 at 10:57:07:
I'm with you. I say a different one a week would be nice, or a month.
Girls of Airgunning...I might just do that when I get home, create like a calendar with hot babes and hot guns, then have all the aigunning events on it.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Opinions on the Crosman 2240? posted by ScottC on August 27, 2000 at 10:51:24:
Great pistol for $39.00 at Walmart. I was shooting CPs at 440 to 450 fps. Very accurate.
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In Reply to: Airgun hunting, don't forget your camera. posted by RGunn on August 27, 2000 at 12:40:38:
Randy,
I be clicking away with the camera, got pictures of 3 gray tree Squirrels, some grackles, and some starlings so far. When the roll is shot up, will digitize and send to you. ;-0
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: Re: Wrongo Swinson posted by Swinson on August 27, 2000 at 10:08:53:
The statute is written that you may not shoot in an alleyway, or corridor, or something like that, no restrictions on shooting an airgun in your yard except not in the front of the house only the rear. Other than that no resrtictions, you man shoot in any direction.
The police did mention the statute of creating a dangerous situation, which with my backstop, and the way I was shooting they deemed me to be responsible and shooting safely. They also told the woman that after the great fiasco. And called me back a half hour later after discussing it with the "big shots" and checking out the statute, and told me to blast away.
I would like to moderate it and keep the piece, but don't want to place myself in that position. I think it would create a much better environment without noise pollution. But lets face it, the law is too grey in this area for comfort. Shame.
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:09:17:
Hello Russ! As the prime spewer of toxins on the unsuspecting public down here on the Texas Gulf coast, I may be able to help you out a little! I just got back from a meeting last week with the state health department down here re: West Nile and such. Seems like most of the virus isolations in birds and mosquitoes are moving north and west of NYC right now. The good news is that only certain species of mosquitoes are capable of transmitting the disease, so no need to panic at the sight of every mosquito. It is also not unusual for a person to contract the disease and exhibit subclinical or very mild , flu-like symptoms instead of keeling over. Since the West Nile virus reservoir is birds (not people), and since the vector is certain species of mosquitoes, there are two obvious strategies to follow. ONE - stay out there on the deck and shoot every darn bird that you can!! ;-) TWO - Use repellets like cutters, eat lots of garlic (which is excreted through your skin when you sweat, thus repelling both mosquitoes and humans), set up a box fan to your side to blow the mosquitoes away, smoke really obnoxious cigars (the more expensive, the worse the smell they say), or put a chunk of dry ice down wind of you to simulate the carbon monoxide from your breath in order to attract the little vampires over there. It really gets fun if they freak out and land on the dry ice, freezing instantly!! Well, y'all have fun now, ya hear?
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In Reply to: Leapers 6x32 for 20 bucks posted by Jason Wu on August 27, 2000 at 13:00:57:
Airguns and accesories are like anything else. You get what you pay for- usually. RB
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
... to all who replied. Funny thing was, I was SO dead-set on getting a rifle, I never even considered a pistol! But since I still want a rifle more, this only means I will probably end up getting both...
By the way, should I even bother to scope the rifle?
Thanks again, Brian
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In Reply to: Re: Less Accurate? posted by Bob Miller on August 27, 2000 at 01:13:06:
Bob, my 48 in .22 cal (same power plant as the 54, I believe) does not like the pointed pellets, nor is it very fond of the Meisterkugeln wad cutters. 40 yards is at the extreme limits of accuracy for me with a Super H-Point, although they are real good at 25 to 35 yards. Crow Mags are more accurate at the 40 yard distance, probably due to the longer pellet length & weight forward design. The Super Domes are very accurate at 40 yards, but they just don't do the tissue damage that I need to drop the little gray tree rats quickly enough - just go clean through. Anyway, that's how mine shoots the various pellets - yours may be completely different! Have a good one!
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In Reply to: Airgun hunting, don't forget your camera. posted by RGunn on August 27, 2000 at 12:40:38:
Funny that this post appear since I just left your picture site and came back to the forum. I'd love to take some pictures but I spent all my money on the damm gun(s)! Some really nice pictures you have BTW. I am a bit envious of you, count your bountiful and abundant blessings!
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Pretty good deal? I found this scope for real cheap and I want to know about it. It's a mini scope by the way. Thanks.
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Pretty good deal? I found this scope for real cheap and I want to know about it. It's a mini scope by the way. Thanks.
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In Reply to: couple of cleaning questions posted by hank on August 26, 2000 at 19:57:28:
Hank, the silicone gun rags will work most of the time, although you don't really want to use it on your stock. Who needs a slippery stock? ;-) Check your gun manual just to be sure if silicone is recommended. I was surprised to find that the manual for my BSA SuperStar said that silicone might damage the bluing and the trigger mechanism - first time I have ever seen that warning! Have a good one!
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In Reply to: weihrauch posted by JOHN DNNELLY on August 26, 2000 at 13:12:45:
I am new to the air rifle sport and would like some advice on where and what model of rifle to buy second hand if possible .Ill be shooting magpies and wood pigeons. PLEASE HELP!
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In Reply to: weihrauch posted by JOHN DNNELLY on August 26, 2000 at 13:12:45:
I am new to the air rifle sport and would like some advice on where and what model of rifle to buy second hand if possible .Ill be shooting magpies and wood pigeons. PLEASE HELP!
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
Marty, I had one of the young neighbors come charging over earlier this year & raising hell. Seems this youngster had a dead grackle in a paper bag & said that it dropped into his yard right in front of his eyes during the time that he was hearing me fire my .22 RWS 48 in my back yard. As proof that I was the culprit, he picked up the bird (wearing latex disposable gloves, of course) and pointed to a hole in the bird's breast. I told him first of all that I was shooting at a target with a wooden backstop no more than 2 feet off of the ground, which in turn was in front of a section of wooden privacy fence. No pellets were being fired up in the air, nor were any escaping my property. I further pointed out that the hole in the bird was too small to be from my .22 cal & proceeded to pull out my pocket knife and do a little postmortum on the spot. I ended up pulling out a copper bb. I then showed him the Super H-Points that I was shooting so that he could see the difference between the two. I then informed him that I was shooting responsibly at targets on my own property, that no pellets were escaping from my property, and that he might hear me firing hundreds of pellets on any given day during any time that I had enough light to see the target, as my airguns were my hobby and I enjoyed them at every opportunity. Since then, I can fire to my heart's content and no one even acts surprised or gives me a hard time. The rest of the story? Thank God he hasn't caught on that I have sent 278 gray squirrels on my property over the past 3 years to the big Pecan Tree in the Sky!! They really ought to stay out of my gardens, ya know? ;-) Have a good one!
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In Reply to: How many shots per c02 cartridge?? posted by Bill on August 27, 2000 at 12:33:10:
Thanks alot
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Hey, all you arigun hunters. Don't forget your camera when you are in the field this fall.
I would love to see some photos of your harvest on OUR 'Airgun Hunters Photo Gallery'!
Thanks a bunch.
Randy
In Reply to: How many shots per c02 cartridge?? posted by Bill on August 27, 2000 at 12:33:10:
It varies with the guns. Some are more efficient than others. they can run anywhere from 30 to 80 shots per cart, depending. RB
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Im interested in purchasing a lower priced co2 pistol, crossman, daisy etc... Any tips on good brands? And How many shots do you get out of those co2 cartridges? is it worth it? Thanks alot!!
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In Reply to: B-Square adjustable mount for RWS 54? posted by Bob Miller on August 27, 2000 at 02:18:06:
Very finicky to set up. Can be a real pain in the butt. The best fully adjustable mount I've run across is the Hakko Airgun Pro. The problem with the 54 is that you should use the most solid mount you can find, asthe gun will shake it apart eventually. Maybe the Dampa mount willl work OK and help save your scope. RB
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In Reply to: Air Arms s300 posted by Gareth on August 27, 2000 at 12:22:15:
Gareth, Not sure you will be able to find a new S300. AA has upgraded that rifle to the S400. Some dealers may still have the older models in stock, or you could look for a used S300.
You can find a little info. on the S400 at the AA site.
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In Reply to: Diana, Nobel RWS Question. posted by Mikey on August 27, 2000 at 12:13:56:
They are very much different, in weight, cocking method and power. The 48/52 are the same with the difference being the stock. The 52's is fancier. RB
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In Reply to: Hobbies, Big Boys Toys and Big $$$$$$ posted by Happy Gardener on August 27, 2000 at 02:33:49:
Shucks, Hap! I used my 1958 Benjamin from the day my grandpa bought it for me brand new until about 3 years ago. Then I went the Gamo 880S, RWS 48, RWS 34, BSA SuperStar route (and the little extras that you just have to acquire with them), climbing ever higher up the springer chain and discovering that price paid VS quality received often have no clear correlation in reality. Having thought that I was reaching the pinnacle of pellet Zen with the accuracy of my .177 SuperStar with a Beeman FTS up the spout and the massive tissue damage of the .22 RWS 48 with a RWS Super H-Point locked and loaded, and having also reached that level of consciousness known as "Credit Card Limit," I now find that I am not state of the art!! I am merely happy and self satisfied in my little spring powered universe!! Fer Gawd's sake, don't ever let me know that I might, unknowingly perhaps, be missing out on a higher level of airgun experience and indebtedness!! I just would'nt be able to cope!! Oh well, maybe I'll come down with Alzhiemer's and forget this traumatic intrusion into my own little world. Have a good one anyway!! ;-)
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I wonna spend around 500 quid (around $1200) and was thinking of getting a air arms s300 and a cheap pump.
Is this gun any good (power and accuracy) what is the power of this gun anyway?
also, is it any good for shooting rabbits etc.
thx
Gareth
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I am sure that I read this here but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
Are the Models mentioned above the same Airgun and if so who manufactures them. Was looking at a Diana 34 But saw the Nobel 48 and 52 and got real excited. Any comments on the 48 & 52 vs. the 34.
Mikey
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In Reply to: Does the TX200 have iron sights? posted by tpb on August 27, 2000 at 09:43:16:
No sights-- scopes only. RB
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Can someone give me a web site or email for Litts of England?
Thanns
Gary
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
Brian,
I've got about thirty feet available indoors and have it set up as a permanent range with my chronograph permanently mounted at the target and the readout remotely mounted at the firing position. I shoot almost every day on my indoor range. I shoot just about every one of my airguns on my range from Kodiak/Whiscombe to the lowest powered pistols. The challenge with the rifles at that short range is to produce the smallest group possible. One nice thing with most of the air rifles is that a ten yard zero usually results in a thirty or fourty yard zero also, depending on the particular air rifle. This means that when I do get the chance to go out into the field I'm ready. Other nice things that an indoor range affords, IMHO, include the ability to monitor TV news, football, golf (RB's favorite), and last but not least this forum. Oh, and weather or skitters are not a factor nor is daylight (a siginificant factor in the short winter days). Brian, I'd go for the 27 foot range.
chasm
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In Reply to: Re: Anyone from Va respond inside!! posted by Chris in Manassas, V on August 25, 2000 at 13:03:17:
Chris,
I'm next door to Manassas in Warrenton.
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In Reply to: whats the best Pointed Pellet??? nt.... posted by steve on August 26, 2000 at 16:33:40:
nt
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Where can I find Mauser Hollow Point Pellets?
I picked up a tin somewhere, like'em, but now I'm about out. Can't find them anywhere........help!
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In Reply to: weihrauch posted by JOHN DNNELLY on August 26, 2000 at 13:12:45:
Where would be the best place to buy a second hand rifle in the uk
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
If you don't sue her she'll do it again next year.
Doing nothing says "it's ok".
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
Sorry to hear what happened. My house got raided by the sherrifs dept. once because I had a belt of M2 .50 ball ammo -about 20 rnds - IT cost me a night in jail because they had to call ATF to confirm my other weapons were not full auto ie ak's, hk's etc. Now that is as bad as it gets! The Careers are loud and I am not saying you are to blame"but". Noise draws attention people look and go gee wiz? If you are legal in your area and have a backstop I suggest getting about 10 10" scooter tires that I can collect at my mc shop. build a bench in a v configuration to hold them and shoot through the center. The walls form baffles and rubber is an acoustic barrier. Problem solved and legal as a lot of ranges use this system but with car tires. At least full power could be used and whether other nieghbors complain or not it would be a courtesy to all. Just a suggestion let me know if you need them. Good luck
Steve
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In Reply to: Re: GUN OWNER DECLARATIONS ON 1040 TAX RETUEN ? posted by Swinson on August 27, 2000 at 11:25:57:
Just because we are paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get us!
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In Reply to: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 22:54:08:
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Oh, and that Walmart comment was funny. Anyway, your right. I had a career 22 cal carbine with that oh so lovely 30 minute pump. Any of my 22 lr would beat it anyday; even my $60 Marlin. I sold the career for the noise. But... it was a sweet gun. I now shoot mainly springers R9, SS & RX1 plus some bulk CO2 stuff. My friends don't understand why I spend so much on expensive pellet guns. Since you seem to be into airguns, I don't understand why your asking this question. Each to his own right? Keep shooting what you have and keep enjoying it. Remember it's us against them. The bickering (sp) about pcp vs springers is getting old, let's let it go.
Zeke
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In Reply to: I say sue the pants off of her posted by Tommy on August 26, 2000 at 20:56:11:
NT
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In Reply to: GUN OWNER DECLARATIONS ON 1040 TAX RETUEN ? posted by Big Brother on August 27, 2000 at 10:53:56:
I think something like that pops up about once every 2-3 years. being the consipracy nut that I am I figure one of the following:
1. They actually plan on doing this someday and it's a "test" on our diligence. If they keep crying wolf maybe one day we will miss it and then it will get enacted.
2. It may be a red herring, while we focus on that legislation, they sneak something else in.
3. It's all part of the game of politics, make a million demands and then when it comes time to bargin, you have more ammo. "we won't push the $50 tax BUT you'll give in on the "idetigun package"
4. Might be a real problem someday as taxing something out of existance is a common ploy by the leftists gun haters. Look at all the NFA laws, most damming are the taxes.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: GUN OWNER DECLARATIONS ON 1040 TAX RETUEN ? posted by Big Brother on August 27, 2000 at 10:53:56:
Also, in Canada. www.lufa.ca
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In Reply to: R7 front sight removal--how to? Muzzlebrake? posted by JP on August 27, 2000 at 09:30:48:
Taking it off's pretty easy.
The site sits on a variable side built (?) dovetail type joint....not knowing the proper word...
So the sucker can slide in from the right side of the barrel and not the left.
Different then the ones that slide on front to back....
Hair dryer...block of wood...or proper mallet, and it pops off it's rail pretty easily.
As to mux brake...you might ask that ques over on AG.....some guys do custom work over there...someone used to make them...expensive though...I remember like $60.
Probably a good project you can do yourself...
LOL,
Stocky
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In Reply to: Opinions on the Crosman 2240? posted by ScottC on August 27, 2000 at 10:51:24:
It's a really good gun. shoots very accurate, and hard, at least what they claim.
Modifications can be done by Primates!
I was even able to add a 24" barrel and sholder stock.
Sorta loud in stock form.
About 35-40 shots per Powerlet.
Likes cheap Crosman or Daisy pellets too, will digest almost anything except rocks and sticks!
Has plastic parts, but many metal parts available from specialty sites.
Love shooting mine , maybe gonna get another stocker for more fun.
I'd advise you to get one.
Dave N
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In Reply to: GUN OWNER DECLARATIONS ON 1040 TAX RETUEN ? posted by Big Brother on August 27, 2000 at 10:53:56:
If this is true it's dangerous for us all. I'll be on the phone in th morming. Also, join the NRA and the GOA.
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In Reply to: invite her out to play... posted by tpb on August 27, 2000 at 09:55:43:
BAD IDEA. I would stay as far away from her as possible. Who knows, if you show up on her front door she may call the cops saying you came onto her property and threated her life bla bla bla.
Stay FAR away from the crazy folks.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Chasm? posted by Harvey on August 27, 2000 at 04:19:35:
Harvey,
Check your email. Note my new address.
chasm
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In Reply to: Re: help with daystate posted by thom on August 26, 2000 at 18:51:06:
I too would like to know about this, although I will be turning the power down.
-Does anyone have any idea where I could get a better manual on this gun (huntsman ph6), The dealers don't distribute it apparently so that one doesn't work on their own gun.
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In Reply to: Re: Another Airgun Forum.. posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 23:17:14:
Yea I used to love the "Why" comments the wife made as to her necessity on the site!!!
I actually miss the fun of it all...
Everybody vote to put her back?
#1 here.
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Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2000 1040 federal
tax Form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints
and a tax of $50 per gun.
This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public
Knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an amendment to
the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance
Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all.
The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate
homepage, www.senate.gov/ You can find the bill by doing a
search by the bill number, SB-2099.
You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy
of this e-mail to every gun owner you know to help STOP this bill!!
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I'm kicking around the idea of getting a CO2 pistol for plinking/light hunting (shooting
grouse from my treestand). I've already got a HB22 but of course (airgunitus) I now need
a CO2 pistol.
What's the opinion on the 2240? Does it really do 460 fps? (I'll be shooting Premiers), is
it accurate?
I owned a 1322 and really liked the grip however quality-wise the Benjamin has it beat hands
down however the 2240 is almost half price....
Any opinions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Scott
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In Reply to: Re: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Mike Ullrich on August 27, 2000 at 03:39:57:
Go for it. I just got a ZM2002 just for that. Same problem but I have 30' and yesterday was shooting about 1 tin with girlfriend sitting in living room. Just have to call cold range if she wants a beer as Im in the kitchen shooting down the hallway. I set box filled with mags on chair out on deck which gave me extra 8' so Im close to 10m. Even using a rest is a challenge to make 1 little hole then its on to standing position. It is harder than I thought given the weight so when I move to .340 mag. this fall that will be like shooting a pellet gun! Trigger time my man trigger time.
Hope this helps:)
Steve in Key West:(
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In Reply to: Re: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Steve B. on August 27, 2000 at 04:38:47:
Steve is right,get a DAISY 499,,a lot of it's special shot, and learn what a fine instrument that gun is. You'll be amazed how UNLIKE a Red Ryder it is!
$79+ shot= $100= weeks of true match shooting. Get or build a sound BB spec. backstop for sure!!!
Good luck!
Dave N
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I am wondering about the necessity of a chrony. They test for velocity from which energy can be calculated for any distance, important mostly for hunting applications. Is velocity important to where shots hit (POA vs POI) (considering the effect of gravity)or will just measuring shot placement help determine which pellet is "best for my gun"? I guess then is a chrony necessary or just another accessory? I am interested in getting the most consistent shot placement and accuracy and will rely upon other available data as to velocity/power/etc. Knowing energy levels and velocities for various pellets from my gun - how important is that to being a good shooter? How would I benefit from this?
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In Reply to: Re: Peter, Peter, Peter ? posted by Swinson on August 27, 2000 at 10:13:45:
He wouldn't have said that about gas rams, unless he would've been smoking too much banana leaves.
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In Reply to: Re: Peter, Peter, Peter ? posted by Swinson on August 27, 2000 at 10:13:45:
The style is familiar.
Yet, I can't believe him making such ignorant statements.
peter
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In Reply to: Re: Peter, Peter, Peter ? posted by peter huppertz on August 27, 2000 at 09:42:52:
Peter everybody knows who "ted" is now...so until he starts posting as his real name again just ignore him
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Wrongo Swinson posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 23:45:00:
Dude you are wrong, I checked with the police before I took the first shot, no problems on airgun discharge at all. Heck the cheif lives across the street and the new guy on the force live a block away. Some places treat airguns differently but here in the Republik of MA it's actually ok in most parts to shoot from the house, in your yard etc. Some places say you have to shoot "towards your house" or not across an alley or paved road but past that blaze away.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: am using a Beeman P1 .177 posted by jake on August 27, 2000 at 03:04:01:
A pistol does not develop enough power for that pellet as it weighs 11.5 grains. The Silver Sting weighs 8.6 grains and is a better choice. The RWS Superpoint is light and might be a good choice. I would go with a pointed pellet that is not very heavy to keep the velocity up.
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In Reply to: NEED HELP ON GUN VALUE FAST posted by Troy on August 27, 2000 at 07:57:39:
IMHO: You can get a fully loaded Career ready to shoot for that kind of $$$$$$$
Get a BSA Super Ten or even a Falcon
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In Reply to: Re: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by HG on August 26, 2000 at 23:14:45:
> A nice springer is all you need.
I'd invite you to join an FT match. ;-)
peter
ps: I can see it coming... you'll say you have no intention doing so. In that case, your statement should have read "A nice springer is all I need". Sounds a bit less like advice, doesn't it? ;-)
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
Brian,
I can just get 9 yards in my basement, and have lots of fun with my P3 and 747.
Get a pellet trap, some duct seal from Home Depot, silhouette targets from Straight Shooters, and join wved's PYO shoot.
Chris
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
Well, as I see it, she KNOWS that you're not a threat to her or anyone else. If she's an old widow, maybe she's just doing it for attention.
I say, invite her out to shoot with you.
ttyl
tpb
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
Hi Brian:
I put up an 8 foot fence all around my backyard. Now, nobody knows what I'm doing. If they can't see you how can they bitch?
HS
Pepi
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In Reply to: Help with Benjamin 347 valve removal posted by Dave T. on August 26, 2000 at 23:28:29:
What you're seeing is the outlet port packing ring - most of them are lead. If you have already removed the lock screw with your tool, be careful because when the packing ring breaks loose the outlet valve assembly may fly out since it has a strong compressed spring behind it.
If you need help with help with the procedure, e-mail me - I'll be glad to help.
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In Reply to: NEED HELP ON GUN VALUE FAST posted by Troy on August 27, 2000 at 07:57:39:
I appreciate it.
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I've been a air gunner for years now... but I'm getting tired of using a spring-piston "hand gun" type airgun. I'm planning on moving to the TX200 because of the accuracy and no need for big CO2 tanks.
I am operating on a pretty tight budget, so I won't be able to get a scope right off the bat. In fact it may be a couple years until I get a scope.
I've read what little information was on www.air-arms.com and could find no mention of whether or not the TX200 comes with iron/open sights.
Does the TX200 have either iron/open sights that come with it by default?
thanks,
ttyl
tpb
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In Reply to: Re: Peter, Peter, Peter ? posted by Ted on August 27, 2000 at 08:20:57:
I've read your first post, I've seen that you've missed quite a few points, and I've also seen that ALL of your responses intend to have a go at the person you respond to.
I may know more than you do, but that is not an accomplishment.
Hence my stance. If you want to conduct a debate that intends to gather knowledge or convey genuine points, I'll gladly take part. But if you conduct the debate to glorify yourself and, in the process, put down those that answer you honestly, I'm out, boy.
End of debate on my part. Go outside and shoot your guns.
peter
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In Reply to: Airguns for Overseas Military Deployment posted by Brian Wheater on August 26, 2000 at 23:54:48:
If you want to learn marksmanship skills transferable to you battle rifle , you are MUCH better off practicing with a good trigger, and an accurate gun, than something with a marginal to lousy trigger, comparable to whats on your M16! If you are using something with a creepy long take up, and make a mistake, do you blame the poor shot on the trigger or your lack of skills?? I know, i have seen it too many times. It's never the shooters fault. Only when you get a system that eliminates all the variables, can you really begin to learn good marksmanship. Sounds like to me what you want is an R1, or th HW equivalent, good accuarcy, excellant trigger, a bit heavy, but you want heavy right? and the spring piston hold is good follow thouogh for your M16. Of coure it has enough power to do whatever you want to do with an airgun.
As to deploymnet, in the NG you cannot be made to be activated as an individual, in the AR inviduals can be called up and inserted in a unit, but not the Guard. It is my further understanding that even if your Guard unit is deployed , yuo cannot be forced to go, unless it is a presidential call up(such as the Gulf War), which these peace keeping missions have not been thus far
CW2 Scott Pilkington
NGMTU member 1986-1996 (NG Marksmanship Training Unit)
SATT member 1996-1998 (AR Small Arms Trainig Team )
currently back in the Guard, State HQ, in Georgia
I've finally bit the bullet and asked Paul Gomez Pinto (a denizen on Anything Goes and a Portuguese airgun dealer) to send me a price quote on a Hakko 4x21.
So I will soon need to get the front sight off my R7; can anyone tell me how to do this without marring my gun?
I've asked before, but maybe someone has another answer: does anyone know where I can get a muzzlebrake that will fit the R7 that doesn't look like the Beeman universal brake (aka the honeydipper)? I'd prefer something with smooth lines and blued finish.
All tips much appreciated, JP.
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
...suing or anything like that would only encourage her. Try what the cops recommended first, and try to arrange some way that you're shooting out of her line of sight. If she calls again, I imagine the cops'll have her before a judge themselves.
Right now, you have the local law on your side--if you make waves they might think you're a pain too.
I am so very, very pleased that this one worked out ok for you, and I'm glad that I don't have neighbors like that. JP
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In Reply to: Compact scope for QB88 posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 26, 2000 at 23:02:29:
...but I've never seen/held/shot one myself. They have them at Champion and Natchez, I believe. JP
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In Reply to: NEED HELP ON GUN VALUE FAST posted by Troy on August 27, 2000 at 07:57:39:
This outfit would have a retail value around $800 in NEW condition (with standard stock). However, if the Tyrolean stock is factory original, less than 100 were ever made (according to Gaylord's R1 book). That could make it a deal!
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In Reply to: Help with Benjamin 347 valve removal posted by Dave T. on August 26, 2000 at 23:28:29:
Which factory tool do you have?
In the olden days, there was a set of tools needed to remove(and install) the valve body and seals. Currently, there is an "all in one tool" that works "almost as good"
In any case, you need to remove the valve retaining nut; this is done using the square end driver. Once the nut is out, use the valve puller to remove the valve body, the rest of the parts should simply fall out on thier own.
Note, if you already removed the valve reatining nut, there will(should)be a lead gasket which will hold the valve body in place, if this is the "ring-like washer" you are refering to, don't worry about it, just use the valve puller and it will come out with the valve body.
You should get all new seals (including a new lead gasket) before re-assembling.
Good luck
Larz
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In Reply to: Re: Check out the RWS (Dynamit Nobel) website posted by AC on August 27, 2000 at 01:49:39:
the RA-800 is in this index
In Reply to: The AA100 project has now successfully concluded. posted by peter huppertz on August 27, 2000 at 07:36:17:
Congratualations Peter...
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In Reply to: Now I'm confused, I thought you said earlier you were 13? (nt) posted by John Sa. on August 27, 2000 at 01:58:13:
Na, I'm 11.
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In Reply to: Re: Cody Dotter posted by Happy Gardener on August 27, 2000 at 01:58:54:
My neighbors are very nice. And they live about 500 yards away. I think. Someone has even shot a 30-06 ay my house without the neighbors complaining. So noise is not a problem.
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In Reply to: Co2UNE webPage posted by CJ on August 26, 2000 at 23:52:03:
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In Reply to: NEED HELP ON GUN VALUE FAST posted by Troy on August 27, 2000 at 07:57:39:
Troy, I would say that price is high for a used gun.
That is around what you would have if you bought it all
new. 725.00 you can get a-lot for that look around on the web
There are some great guns for that kind of money..find one you like and ask
here for a response from owners of same type of gun...lots of luck.
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In Reply to: Why does anyone take the trouble to answer this guy? posted by peter huppertz on August 27, 2000 at 07:16:41:
Wow! what an exchange of opinions. Pete has now chosen not to address my post because he knows more than I do. He must have the holy grail answer to why you'd want to buy a 707 tucked away in his sock drawer, but he's not telling me or you. Read the first post Pete. Heck if I wanted to cause trouble, waste time, and get lots of responses, I would have said something about WalMart.
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In Reply to: TED, is it fun being an ass??????????? posted by dirk dingle on August 27, 2000 at 06:22:28:
"Dirky" are you reading the post and responses, or are you just a Best/Swinson/PCP loyalist? I've read Best and Swinson's posts before. They both seem like pretty sharp guys giving lots of their opinions and advice. What possibly can you "envy" about a most PCP's. I have owned, do own, but probably won't own another PCP (so much for your "envy" theory). Are PCP's over rated? Simple question, yet it seems to invoke some real hostile responses. I ask a logical question and get a lame response from Swinson, and a "I'm a safety guy" from Best. I'm surprised some dive shop guy hasn't posted saying its the only way to rid the world of unused scuba tanks. Oh! yeah I know you don't really need a scuba tank you can always "pump it up" by hand. What a thrill a minute or minutes that is; Oh! please can I buy one of those Swedish stainless steel hand pumps $$$$$$$$$$$$ please! Hey, I buy the explanation that some of them look cool, and some of us can't afford them (corvette mentality). Lots of folks out there are thinking that a PCP is the next logical progression in their air gun purchasing. I don't think so! Sorry Dirky.
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Hi Guys,
If I could get a response on this I would appreciate your thoughts.
I have found a guy at a local gun show "today"
that has BEEMAN R1 with TYROLEAN stock and
the following assessories.
The more expensive of the SS BEEMAN SCOPES
TYROLEAN STOCK, CROW TYPE MUZZLE BRAKE,
TRIGGER SHOE, FRONT SIGHT PLATE, and a few other
features that I can't remember.
The man wants 725.00 for it. It is in great excellent shape. Could you guys comment and help me is this a good deal.
I have a GS1000 new in the box what kind of money value and cash should I offer him.
Thank You in advance for any help and I will do the same for you when you need help.
Troy
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In Reply to: More gun owner laws! posted by wved on August 27, 2000 at 07:11:38:
NRA-ILA comments here:
In Reply to: Crosman 130/1300 posted by Lon on August 26, 2000 at 11:03:16:
The 1300 is a great, but little recognized, gun. Consider this sequence of models produced by Crosman during their "Going Great Guns" years. In 1968 the 1100 and 1400, in 1969 the 451, in 1970 the 1300 Medalist II. The 1300 replaced the 130 model. It has basically the same internals as the 130. Like the 1400 was a facelift to the 140, the 1300 was a facelift to the 130 model that hadn't changed since 1954.
In the original Crosman introduction flyer (as seen on page 121 of 75 Years of Crosman Airguns) the 1300 is introduced as "Built to Last a Lifetime of Shooting Fun!" The large pump grip was a big improvement, and the powdered-metal rear sight is a big improvement over those on the 130. The power plant is the same blow-off auto-reseting valve as found on the 130 though.
Note the Medalist II designation. The first medalist was the (circa 1957) Model 150C. What made the 1300 worthy of the Medalist designation I think was the golden-color plated trigger. That with the barrel spacer (a classic Crosman touch)makes the 1300 an interesting piece. I've had several and have always enjoyed them. There is a problem with the grip frame coming loose thus making the gun fire without pulling the trigger. So, inspect the gun carefully. You can find all this information, including the complete Factory Service Manual, in my technical publication on the Crosman model 105/130/1300/etc book.
Purchase online at http://dtfletcher.safeshopper.com/
DT Fletcher
I now get more than 100 excellently consistent shots at 12 ft/lbs. There are no discernible peaks or dips. The gun no longer barks, flips or jumps about (not even a bit!), and works at a decently low hammer spring precharge. The sound is a controlled, short crack. When the critical pressure approaches (around 5 shots before the velocity starts to drop), the muzzle report changes slightly, but noticeably, warning me that it's recharge time.
If anyone wants an answer of how to get at the regulator volume without having a formula to calculate it, ask Wimone ;-)
Also, it is now carrying a very good scope, that holds its own to 55 yards, so this rifle is ready; from here on it'll be its owner that's at fault.
peter
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In Reply to: Re: Less Accurate? posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 21:59:46:
I've had the same thing happen at even 8 yards. CP's in one hole. Daisy "Match" at 1/2".
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In Reply to: ZM 2002 posted by Ralp M. on August 26, 2000 at 10:19:39:
nt
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In Reply to: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 22:54:08:
He just wants to stir up trouble, and obviously he bases his assumptions on zero knowledge.
Let him be. Life is hard enough for him as it is.
peter
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In Reply to: Anyone know anything about Daisy Model 200 CO2 pistol in .177? nt posted by Lloyd S. on August 26, 2000 at 23:00:40:
A lot of people know a lot about this gun,what do you want to know?
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In Reply to: Re: Thanks for all the support and input....here is what I decided... posted by RBest on August 27, 2000 at 00:30:46:
The question: will you now be able to relax and
enjoy shooting, knowing that she can pick up the
phone and call at anytime. The precedent has been
set. This happened twice. You get handcuffed and
frisked. She gets talked too. Sounds like a good deal
for her. so whats the point! Good Luck
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Hi y'all! This was e-mailed to me yesterday:
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Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2000 1040 federal
tax Form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints
and a tax of $50 per gun.
This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public
Knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an amendment to
the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance
Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all.
The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate
homepage, http://www.senate.gov/ You can find the bill by doing a
search by the bill number, SB-2099.
You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy
of this e-mail to every gun owner you know to help STOP this bill!!
Regards to all, wved
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In Reply to: Re: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 13:25:49:
I have enjoyed reading all the posts regarding scope power, all nice friendly, considered opinions.
I thought it may be of interest to readers to know what some of we Limeys use for airgun hunting of Rabbits, squirrels ( those pesky grey things that we got from you, but we sent you starlings as retribution) Crows, Rooks, Magpies and Rats
My air gun "Arsenal" consists of:-
Air Arms S300, .177 12ft lb with Nikko Stirling 10x mil dot I just happen to have this scope spare from a "Deal"
Stalker Tiger Ten LE 12ft.lb. .177 Leupold 18-40 premier reticle 5C. obviously not a hunting set up but it has taken the occassional pigeon which sits still long enough for me to find it!
Stalker Tigress .22 30 ft.lb 6x Zeiss, this is my perfect day time hunting set up. I will take shots out to 75 yards with this but I do use a Laser range finder for those distances. 25 - 50 yards it is flat enough trajectory to use minimal hold over or under.
Stalker Puma 7.62mm 130ft.lb 4X night vision sight, this will take a rabbit at 100 yards with a low shoulder shot, but with the night sight it is never necessary to take shots at over 50 yards.This is my Rabbit control tool for times when I want 20 shots 20 kills.
Between the ears shots on foxes at 75 yards have always been lethal, foxes seem to be able to smell dead rabbits and come along for a free meal, often their last. Day light fox shooting has to be a centre fire usually 150 yards minimum unless you are very lucky.
Shooting with a night sight is a totally different technique, a bit like bench rest you have such a long time to take and hold a perfect aim, use a bipod or similar, but I don't class this as in any way sporting, just a means of controlling vermin.
Now when I am in my sackcloth and ashes mood I have an old .22 break barrel Webley Omega, iron sights, really back to basics, perfect for rats.
Bryan
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In Reply to: Anyone every shopped at " Ultimate OutDoors? " posted by Iqbal on August 27, 2000 at 00:07:14:
Yep, he's a good guy...and a Texan to boot. :)
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In Reply to: Help with Benjamin 347 valve removal posted by Dave T. on August 26, 2000 at 23:28:29:
You need two tools. The first one has no threads on the inside hole and is used to remove that nut whioch is threaded and no it is not destroyed. The second tool, which you have, is used to pull the valve seat. If you don't have all the tools you may want to take it to someone who does and understads the ins and outs of the rifle.
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In Reply to: Help! R7 goes bang and pellet gets stuck in barrel!! posted by JC on August 27, 2000 at 02:08:32:
One question--do you have a sling on your rifle? If so you could be pulling the barrel out of battery before firing. If not just make sure the barrel is firmly locked into place. If you snap the barrel closed real quickly it can actually bounce out of the locked position.
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In Reply to: Full auto BB gun posted by Jon Powell on August 23, 2000 at 01:56:05:
I had one of those Freon-powered BB guns when I was a kid. Sprayed the big rubber tree in my Mom's backyard. An hour
later I hear Mom screaming my name. There were about three hundred white streaks in the leaves and trunk:
rubber sap leaking everywhere. Ooops.
It was way innacurate, made from ABS plastic and used up way too much Freon.
I have a MacGlashan BB machinegun (WW2 aerial gunnery trainer, two handles and a center button like a Browning 50). It so kicks ass. A 100 cu. ft. tank of CO2 is good for about 2800 shots (regulated @ 200psi). A Big ol' moving weight inside makes it shake like the real thing.
Its the ultimate Super-Plinker. Grown men grin and chuckle like children while firing it.
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
That's plenty of room.
For rifle's it might not be long enough though.
So.....go for a pistol!
Get a nice pistol, such as a Beeman P3 (single pump pneumatic) (it's next on my "to get" list), set up a nice target trap, and get shooting.
Happy shootin,
Chris
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
You have THAT Much Room!!! I have about 12 feet across my living room. I shoot my BSA SS, RWS 48 and Steyr LP10. I shoot at least one gun every day (normally the Steyr at home). It is about a 15 minute drive to go out in the woods shooting my Careers.
I would suggest a one pump pneumatic or spring pistol for this kind of shooting. I don't know these guns well or your budget. Russ or some of the regulars can suggest some in your budget. Pumping multi-pumps gets old real quick (I did that with my Crosman 1377 for a while).
If you download the Pellant software you can print many different targets. Joe Matusic, MD has instructions on making a pellet trap on his page.
Is it worth it? YES go for it.
Dave
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In Reply to: Any word on the Worlds? posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 12:52:22:
I felt good the last couple days, so I went today (Sat)and had a great time. I can't tell you the standings, but there were enough people to use two ranges. I met John Wiscombe (got pics with him, too) and the Daystate guys. Sorry don't remember his name. Mr. Whiscombe is a verry good shot. Also has a good sense of humor. Gawd, his gun was cool. I'm sorry I don't have the kind of details you really want about the standings, but hey, if someone wants some copies of the pics I took, email me.
Yer 'Bro in airarms,
Harv
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
Brian: I've got a bunch of BB guns. No, I mean real Daisy BB guns. A couple are the Model 99 Target models. BB gun matches used to be fired at 15 feet and later changed to 5 Meters in a move to metrificate things. This is still less than 25 feet cheer up - plus it's in doors! I'm thinking plush chairs, refreshments, maybe stereo or video. You'll save a ton of bucks not buying a .25 Cro Magnon - cool.
There are still quite a few guns that you could shoot at that range. CO2 pistols would be good, maybe a Cr 1008 or something. You could still shoot match powered rifles, just scale down the targets - it's not uncommon. A pumper is do-able, with three pumps you'll rule. Just change arms to build up the pecs on both side and become that babe magnet you've always wanted to be. Stop whining and carry on...first the backstop.
HTH - Steve B.
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Hey, I'm sorry I haven't written ya lately. Had a couple of rough weeks chemo wise but some meds changed and I feel much better. How are ya my friend? I miss yer stuff, man.
Yer 'Bro in airarms,
Harv
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In Reply to: Re: Airgun laws concerning children posted by M Boyle on August 26, 2000 at 21:26:07:
I was in Wal-Mart this week, and picked up a box of the Crosman "Match" pellets. They shoot pretty good in my 1377 and are pretty cheap. When I got to the register the clerk scanned them and the register started beeping like some alarm had gone off. I looked up from my checkbook and she asked me if I were at least 16. I laughed and didn't answer, but if you don't have a graying beard like I do, you probably will have to show ID. I suspect the same would apply for an airgun purchase.
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In Reply to: Anyone every shopped at " Ultimate OutDoors? " posted by Iqbal on August 27, 2000 at 00:07:14:
I have now. I just ordered a scope. You are right about pretty good prices. I will let you know how it turns out.
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
I have a 23 foot range which uses my garage and part of the kitchen (my wife is very understanding--she even uses it herself on occasion).
I gotta say that rifles at that distance are pretty lame, I have a couple and I pull them out once in a blue moon to make sure they (and I) still work ok, but it hurts me a little inside to shoot them that close to the target.
Shooting airpistols at that range, however, can be pretty challenging and reasonably entertaining. I print my own targets and scale them down so it appears that they are at 10 meters.
All this because I don't have a decent backyard. When I moved here, there were empty fields behind us, now there is a house less than 25 yards from my back door. I could shoot outside, but the house is unattended so much, I hate to advertise that I have airguns (and maybe guns too) to the neighbors. I plan to move soon and will find a place out of the city, hopefully with a good backstop, I have a thing for cartridge guns too. But, you know what, I'll still make an indoor range (probably 25 feet or so) at the new place so I can shoot when the weather is bad, or when its dark outside, etc.
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In Reply to: HELP! How much fun with only 25 feet??? posted by Brian E on August 27, 2000 at 03:18:38:
No one can answer that for you. They can answer for themselves, of course. My personal opinion is that yes, you can have fun in 25 ft. One nice part is that high power isn't necessary (unless you're into exploding things with kinetic energy) so you can start off by spending less money.
Is it a finished or unfinished basement? That can make a huge difference. My old basement was concrete slab & just storage, I could shoot anything and not worry about the mess I made. Now I have a finished basement, TV, stereo, ping pong table, etc. Can't shoot into water-filled styrofoam cups to demonstrate shock effect etc. Shooting (at) paintballs is a definate no-no.
Many people just shoot 10 meter targets and absolutely love it. 25ft is close enough to that to get by with. Just pretend your group sizes are 32% bigger.
Mike Ullrich
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In Reply to: Once hit a pencil at 100m, peep sight posted by parisifal on August 26, 2000 at 22:06:10:
All of my friends are always talking about the lousy accuracy they get with this rifle or that rifle. I rarely shoot my rifles (a couple of times a year or so)and rarely spend much money for them, (average price of the rifles in my safe at the moment is less than $220), I'm more of a pistol person. However, when I get to the range, I can always get groups less than 1" (except with the Hungarian SA85M) at 100 yds with factory ammo. I've got a target on the couch that I shot last weekend with an open-sighted 45-70; the 100 yd, 3 shot group measures 5/8". The first time I ever shot a bolt rifle, a couple of years ago, I got a 0.60" group with another guy's rifle (also open sights). I got to thinking about it, and I think that the reason that I have such good luck (gotta be luck, I don't shoot enough rifle to be good) with almost every rifle that I try is because I ALWAYS shoot my rifles first with open sights. I suspect that a lot of the so called rifle accuracy problems really come from bad scopes, bad mounts or improper mounting of scopes.
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In Reply to: grey hair/pellet guns/mix/nadda posted by doug on August 26, 2000 at 21:02:27:
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In Reply to: Mr P posted by Quack on August 26, 2000 at 15:56:03:
It's easier to measure the results because the stuff's semitransparent. Here's a formula that should get you within 50 fps or so of the velocity of your gun using the 7.9 grain CPs.
Measure the penetration from the edge of the bar to the NOSE of the pellet in centimeters. By the way, for some reason, if you cut the bar open and then measure, the measurements will all be about 1mm longer. This formula assumes that you measure with the bar intact.
Multiply that length times 122,967.0 and take the square root and you have fps.
Any of you guys with chronos, I would welcome tests of this formula. You MUST use the 7.9 grain premiers in .177, and relatively fresh Neutrogena Soap (don't open the package and let it dry out).
The formula should be most accurate with velocities near 600.
Up to 600 fps, shoot the bar's edge on the short axis, for more powerful guns, you might want to shoot end to end. Don't forget about a backstop to take care of shoot-throughs and misses. Keep the muzzle as close as you can, and as lined up with the soap as possible. If the line slants in either axis the measurement will be corrupted.
Can't take credit for the Neutrogena idea, I read about it in one of Tom's articles in the Airgunletter. The formula is mine.
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Okay, here's my deal. Here I am all fired up about getting my feet wet in airgunning. Just like "real" shooting except quieter, cheaper and simpler to maintain right? So I start looking around doing all sorts of shopping, research, and asking you guys for advice. Then I finally remember to make this little phone call I'd been meaning to make, and find out I CAN'T @#*&%ING FIRE MY GUN IN MY BACKYARD!!! NNOOOOO!! ARRRGH!!! I mean, not long ago when I was a kid, there were COWS GRAZING not far from here! I mean this was mostly farmland and stuff to begin with so I figured "sure, no problem right?" GAAAAAA!!! COWS DAMMIT!!! But I digress. So after spending a few hours contemplating how unfair life is and ready to just go and blow away all my airgun bookmarks, I calmed down a bit and thought I should run it by you people first.
My question is:
How much fun can you have with a .177 out to a maximum distance of 25 FEET? (ie, my basement) Not yards - feet. A far cry from the 90+ feet I would've had im my yard!
Joining a gun club does not appeal to me (no FAC besides).
My original plan was to get a cheap pumper to plink in the house and a CO2 Crosman 262 (which I heard good things about and suits me) for more serious shooting. Now I don't know and need help. Is a scope pointless?
Now please be honest! While I would love to hear the response, "Are you kidding?!? You'll be happy forever with that and will think you're in heaven and women will find you irresistable!", I WANT to know if you really think, "No, airgunning at 25 feet is pitiful and demeaning - get an airsoft and spend the rest of your life in seclusion."
I just want to know if I'll get bored and frustrated real soon and wish I didn't waste my time.
Thanks for your thoughts, and most of all thanks for reading.
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In Reply to: Happy, I still have to dissagree...... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 27, 2000 at 00:37:15:
You're welcome to borrow mine should the need arise. It's a Shooting Chrony F-1, a basic model.
Mike Ullrich
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In Reply to: Leapers mini scopes for cheap? posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 27, 2000 at 01:15:56:
Try Straightshooters.
Great service.
In Reply to: Re: will the Beeman Silver Arrow be good for varmint hunting???.. posted by HG on August 26, 2000 at 21:00:28:
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In Reply to: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:09:17:
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In Reply to: Thanks for all the support and input....here is what I decided... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 23:20:30:
I was just thinking "3 strikes" about your situation when I read your decision.
Someone already mentioned this - she might not have that much trouble getting an airgun ban passed in your municipality. In fact, I thought that virtually all St. Louis & St. Charles County municipalities already had such ordinances. As in so many places, any form of 'gun' is considered 'bad' around here. Indeed, many people consider me dangerous because my 15-YO daughter has her own air pistol. (.20 Benj E9A/EB20)
Which city are you in? Your business address looks to be in or near Overland; is this your home as well? I live in Kirkwood, so I'm curious. (I don't have much of decent situation to shoot here, although I was fortunate at my previous home in Glendale - large yard, garage blocked any possible errant pellets, and darn sane neighbors! Here the only place to shoot outdoors points directly at a neighbors house, I don't consider it safe.) Other direction plenty of land, but not my property.
Mike Ullrich
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In Reply to: Re: Where do i get a lighter trigger spring? (plz read) posted by Josh P. on August 27, 2000 at 00:11:34:
If you want a lighter spring, look for one about the same length but with smaller diameter wire. I don't recommend cutting springs unless it's to shorten them. Cutting and stretching is not a good method to lighten springs.
You know, Josh, I suppose you could also cast your own trigger shoe with epoxy, just make a rough mold with modeling clay and fill it with epoxy, then file and cut to shape. If you sprayed a dry lube in before putting in the epoxy, it should ease removal from the mold.
I don't have any problem with you sending anyone the information, just make sure that they get the disclaimer with it.
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In Reply to: Help! R7 goes bang and pellet gets stuck in barrel!! posted by JC on August 27, 2000 at 02:08:32:
The cheap fix is if the breech seal is bad or the gun is not locking up properly. The breech seal is an O ring at the end of the barrel where you put in the pellet. If the seal looks ok the gun may not be closing properly. You could test for a problem by draping a few sheets of tissue over the breech and firing the gun. If you have a leak the tissue will be blown off.
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In Reply to: Re: Are you a basement springer shooter, or a closet PCP guy? posted by acet on August 27, 2000 at 02:13:55:
One can even have a Harley and a Yamaha in the same garage AND like the Yamaha infinitely more. It comes down to what an individual is willing to put up with; in my case I put up with the Harley because my wife likes it.
Yer 'Bro in airarms,
Harv
PS Retro-junk is still junk.
PPSS Vettes were never junk.
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Every hobby I have ever seen seems to end up with very expensive equiptment that you gotta have or you are second class. The magazines for a particular hobby perpetuate this myth and review all kinds of cutting edge stuff. If you are a person of means this is fine, the products are nice and it provides a living for someone. If not there are some high value products like the Fun Supply B-18, B-S 39x, BSA Super Sport+Star. For supermagnum class the RWS sidelevers, the R-1 and RX-1 come to mind. If you go above 18-20 ft/lbs in a spring gun (less in a pump or PCP) the noise becomes louder than ideal. Even better is 14 ft/lbs in a .22 cal springer.
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Has anyone tried the B-Square Adjustable mount(17101) for the mod. 54 RWS. If so how does it compare to the C-Mount?
Thanks,
Bob
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In Reply to: Re: Check out the RWS (Dynamit Nobel) website posted by AC on August 27, 2000 at 01:49:39:
Yes and a bit akward at first. The 48,52,54 guns have a ideal purpose, shooting vermin out your patio or cellar window. You can use them for other purposes (especialy with a sling) but they are powerful and best used for backyard vermin. The iron sights are ok and a peep is better. A scope is not your best bet. I would look at the 54 as posters here say it is more accurate for the average shooter. The tough part is the 54 is expensive and the 48 and 52 models can be had used for $250.
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In Reply to: Re: Are you a basement springer shooter, or a closet PCP guy? posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 23:31:46:
FWB 300 is a springer, Walther CG90 uses CO2, Steyr LG10 is PCP, take your pick. I have been shooting airguns alot more than firearms but I still own over fifty firearms while I only have 13 airguns as I'm new in this. I love both and nobody says I can only choose one. One can have a Harley and a vette in the same garage don't you think?
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My Dad just got me a new R7 and most of the time it works great. We enjoyed it very much for the past month or so. Wev'e shot at least 1000 rounds so I'd say
it's pretty well broken in. I had a question about a banging sound it's made. It has done this twice but when it does happen, the
pellet will get stuck in the barrel. I loaded the gun like every other time I do, and made sure that the barrel was closed like always
and it happened twice. I'm stumped. Please help. Thanks
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In Reply to: a guess posted by JP on August 26, 2000 at 20:48:19:
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In Reply to: Cody Dotter posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 07:20:41:
I gotta give you credit for researching before buying. The R-9 is too heavy. The R-1 and RWS 54 are even heavier, forget them. The two best guns for you are the BSA supersport and the Benjamin-Sheridan 392. They are light and powerful. You can get a more powerful airgun but they will either weigh too much or sound like a cannon going off. I got the super sport myself and it is light and the price is under $200. It is a little hard to cock but not too hard, the spring is strong. It is a better gun than the RWS 34 and has no drawbacks. It is very quiet so your ass---e neighbors will not know anything. Best Wishes
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In Reply to: Re: Confused posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 14:19:08:
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In Reply to: Re: Questions (Cr 262, 1077 Crappy Tire Crosmans) posted by BCall on August 26, 2000 at 08:26:56:
Nope lead airgun shot Gamo made falls right thru the bore, is smaller and non magnetic.
No good.
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In Reply to: Is the RWS 52 really that heavy? And how hard is it to cock? nt posted by BoOzE on August 27, 2000 at 00:32:37:
Here's the address: http://www.dnrws.com/contents.htm
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In Reply to: Leapers mini scopes for cheap? posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 27, 2000 at 01:15:56:
Tommy I don't know if you saw my response to your post earlier. I can let you know. Email if you like.
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This is a target shot with the Career .25 long rifle, and the Pellet Man 35g pellets. Link below.
Enjoy
Marty
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In Reply to: Re: Now that's the " Best " answer yet! nt posted by Trouble maker Ted on August 27, 2000 at 00:07:56:
Every hobby has a legendary device that everyone wants. Kind of like the toy in a McDonalds Happy Meal. They gotta have the ne plus ultra or they are lagging the Joneses.
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Anyone know where I can get like the compact 6x for cheap, online that has mounts and what not too? Thanks a lot, you guys have been a real big help.
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In Reply to: Tech Force Air Guns posted by Dwight Pearson on August 26, 2000 at 23:07:55:
I have a TF25 and other than its general quality(butt screws stripped-off,the finish sucks)its pritty accuret and hard hitting.The scope i got from compasseco also hold's its mark.However the SM1000 3ed gen.Has alot more possitive things written about it.My interest is the tf99 that is due in sept 4th they say.Could it be the next best thing to come out of that plant?
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In Reply to: Less Accurate? posted by Happy Gardener on August 26, 2000 at 20:51:34:
I am shooting 1/2 inch groops at 40 yds. with my mod 54 using RWS super points. 1 inch groops using RWS Meisterkugeln or Super H points. Just bought 1000 round of Super Domes but haven't tried them yet. My gun isn't broke in yet but I'll be happy if it doesn't get any better.
Bob
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In Reply to: Re: Where do i get a lighter trigger spring? (plz read) posted by Josh P. on August 27, 2000 at 00:11:34:
I tried that on my CR1377 and SSP250. I trimmed a few coils then stretched the spring. It gives a lighter pull but the sear engagement isn't positive. Perhaps lightly honing the contact surfaces of the trigger and sear would work better.
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In Reply to: Re: Q about varmint shooting... posted by M Boyle on August 26, 2000 at 16:50:48:
I use RWS Super Points in my mod. 54 22 cal. . They go through a squirrels head and stop him instantly.
I have used the same pellet in my mod. 52 22 cal for rabbits--never had one escape.
I have shot a few pop cans filled with water with the RWS Super H Points--the cans split wide open-- but I haven't tried them on game yet.
Bob
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In Reply to: Beeman Point of Impact Changes posted by Sean on August 27, 2000 at 00:42:15:
Different pellets induce different barrel harmonics. Your observations are totally normal. RB
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In Reply to: Re: How Do You Know It's Broken ? (SCOPES) posted by Myopic_shooter on August 26, 2000 at 14:55:36:
If its loose Locktite it. Let the locktite dry thouroghly before reasembly or the fumes from the locktite will likely fog the optics.
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In Reply to: Re: New Huntsman- PCP is awesome posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 13:55:25:
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Today I test fired three pellet types thru my .22 caliber Beeman Crow Magnum III: Beeman Kodiak (21.1g), Air Arms Diablo Field (16.0g), and Crossman Premier (14.3g). The Beeman Kodiaks grouped the best, while the Diablos and Premier pellets consistently printed and inch and a half to the right of the Kodiaks. I believe I was holding all variables constant (rifle hold, environmentals, etc.). Is this consistent with your experience (both pellet preference and POI shift)? Why might the POI shift be happening? Thanks.
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In Reply to: " Swift-- don't launch lead without it " ! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 15:39:17:
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In Reply to: Exceptions posted by Happy Gardener on August 26, 2000 at 20:46:54:
Meaning no disrespect mind you, but I tested pointed pellets in the same medium, (wet phonebook) at a number of velocities, I don't have a chrony, so I cannot tell you exactly what they were, but shooting with the Sharp Ace hunter, I can go from falling out of the barrel to smokin. The results I obtained, measured in total pages penetrated, the domes outpenetrated the points at all velocities.
I also saw no deformation of the pointed pellets at any velocity up to around 900 fps. The point was intact just like new, but it did not penetrate as good as the domes. In addition the domes would expand slightly, and in my opinion on a critter that equals better shock/stop power.
The Crow Mag pellet is just AWESOME with the proper fps. Looked like little mushrooms, and left a huge hole, with a ripple pattern in the wet newsprint of the phone book around an inch in all directions of the hole. A wavefront if you will that equals real stopping power in real life game shooting.
This is my results, I have all the pellets that I shot, but no digital camera or I would post pictures of them. The points that I shot were the Silver Arrow, and the Gamo Magnum points.
Marty
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In Reply to: Re: Wrongo Swinson posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 23:45:00:
I got caught the other day fireing air rifles where prohibited. Police officers were disapointed to only find me with a air gun. They didn't have a real complaint, someone saw me with a rifle. Told me to go elswhere and propmtly left. Said worse they could do was write me a violation ticket that would have cost me about 50, but they didn't feel like it and left, probably cause i wasn't doing anything but shooting targets.
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Thanks fer the answers.
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In Reply to: Thanks for all the support and input....here is what I decided... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 23:20:30:
Sounds like a solid plan Marty- best of luck. RB
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
......most exciting story of the day :-) Just kidding, trying to cheer you up.
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In Reply to: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 22:54:08:
Rifle fire is Prohibited in entire state of IL except on ranges where Granfathered in. Rifle fire rimfire may travel in excess of 1.5 miles and would be unsafe in alot of areas.
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
It seems there is a good bit of difference in our opinions regarding use of scope magnification. The bottom line is that we have the choice to use our equipment as we please. And that is one of the things that make sport fun!
Thanks,
Randy
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In Reply to: Tech Force Air Guns posted by Dwight Pearson on August 26, 2000 at 23:07:55:
I don't know about their air guns but I have a Tech Force 3x10x44 scope in my RWS 52. I've shot about 5000 rounds with it and it's still holding zero. I also have a Tech Force 3x12x44 scope on my RWS 54. I've only shot it about 250 rounds. So far it's still holding. If they fly apart I'll let you guys know.
Bob
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In Reply to: Where do i get a lighter trigger spring? (plz read) posted by Brian on August 26, 2000 at 23:54:31:
Just look around in your garage,that's where I got mine.Or any of your local hardware stores should have one.The blade trigger has never really bothered me.I do have info. on how to do a trigger shoe mod on the 1377,I assume it will work on the 2240 too since they have basically the same trigger mechanism.I'll email it to you if you'd like.I cant take credit for it though,one of the guys here told me about it,I think it was John S.
HTH-Josh P.
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In Reply to: Re: Best guess from someone who doesn't know any better... posted by Tir on August 26, 2000 at 23:57:40:
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I am think of buying a few stuff because their prices look great.
http://www.ultout.com/index.htm
Anyone ever shopped here?
Many Thanks,
Iqbal
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In Reply to: Co2UNE webPage posted by CJ on August 26, 2000 at 23:52:03:
Good job Craig.
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In Reply to: Re: Swinson muddled it and Best punted any other takers?? nt posted by Teddy on August 26, 2000 at 23:52:41:
The opportunity to be higher up on the airgun 'foodchain' (bigger, better, more power :::fist pump:::!Argh!) lol.
No insult intended to anyone - I may find myself there one day - but first I'll go the TX200 route ;)
LOL,
Tim
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In Reply to: Airguns for Overseas Military Deployment posted by Brian Wheater on August 26, 2000 at 23:54:48:
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In Reply to: Re: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by Mikael on August 26, 2000 at 20:05:00:
It's just warming up here so we will get our Mossie problems in a few months. One thing I never miss is poison ivy, I used to get it even in the winter, when wood was put on the fires that had dead vines on it, when we were ice skating.
Must go now as it's almost kickoff for the grand final of the rugby league.
daisy
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Just wanted to say hi in case you did not get the post below
The 46 is shooting fine and my 54 as well went to the range today and out shoot
some guys next to me that was shooting a 22 @50yrds They were impressed . Things are going good staring to shoot
some F.T. macthes ...My daughter is starting small bore and air pistol besides her Daisy 753.
How is your old 34 shooting these days ...Any new toys? shoot straight and god bless...
Cody m.
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It's common knowledge that the Army National is used to provide individual soldiers or entire units to round out or relieve active Army soldiers or units. Possible locations could include Germany, Korea, the Balkans or the Persian Gulf. On approval of my command, I may wish to take or purchase from in country airguns to keep my eye sharp or even for small game dependent on local laws. Germany is no prob. I can get some great stuff there. Same thing with Korea. I recall seeing what I now think was a Yewha shotgun as I strayed into the more ondol parts of "the ville" back in the 80's. The Balkans or the SW Asian Desert are different. If I can get permission from my COC I think I'd have to order guns from the US. My scoped springers are too delicate and have no military tng benefit. I'd want to leave my heirloom pistol at home in case things get hot, to prevent it's loss. I'd try to take my Umarex Beretta for obvious reasons, but the CO2 ctdgs will probably be a prob. The best choices seem to be the Ben. 342 or 347 or B/S 392 or 397 with Williams Peep ( to hone my and my buddies M16 skills) and a B/S HB17 or 22. I'll probably have to determine local ammo availability and local power and caliber laws in country as well as the legality of small game hunting.
Questions:
What's the power level of the Ben. 347 or B/S 397? Great Lakes Airguns rates them at a pathetic 10 ft lbs with 7.9 Premiers, yet my Chinese TS45 was a fine hunter and I'm sure it was no more, and maybe less powerful.
What's the power level of the Ben. 342 or B/S 392? Does it exceed 12 ft lbs? Isn't the trajectory somewhat unpredictable(loopy) compared to the 397?
Has anyone bagged a rabbit or squirrel with a HB17 or CR1377? My 1377 had a pretty impressive record on pests, but bounced off squirrels, but this was probably due to excessive range(20 yds and using wc's-what I had as he was raiding the bird feeder). My only squirrel kill with a pistol was with an overpumped Ben 132 at 8 ft. I'm actually inclined to order a HB17 if it can kill within 20 ft.
TIA Brian
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In Reply to: Try adding a weaker trigger spring,this helped my 1377's trigger greatly.(nt) posted by Josh P. on August 26, 2000 at 23:38:01:
Actually, even with a lighter pull I'd still want to broaden the trigger. I'm used to 1/2" wide triggers so this blade thing is too different for me.
Any ideas?
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In Reply to: Re: That's the " best " you can do? nt posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 23:13:40:
nt
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Through a web page together rael quick.
Here's the Link.
In Reply to: Re: Hey Mr.P...The first frost is only a few months away now...Is there any way to bait Cottontail Rabbits?... posted by Happy Gardener on August 26, 2000 at 22:45:23:
seems the backyards a highway here. before my dog died he had killed 8 Opossum.in a yr and a half. ive seen 3 bunnys at one time in the yard. seems here dinner time is 4pm-6pm its like clock work.
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In Reply to: Re: Back up Swinson. posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 23:23:37:
Yes; Craig I am pushing the envelope so to speak. Now you've dialed down your 707; Wow what are we at 600 ft per second? Yes you got me maybe quieter than my R-9 (and 250 ft per sec. slower) No body disputes the discharging a fire arm charge. Hence the name for the code violation "discharging a firearm". Rest assured your city also has a municipal code section that also prohibits the discharging of other offensive weapons (including air rifles). Don't tell me you think you can open your back door and blaze away with your 707 and escape the wrath. They might slap your wrist instead of cuffing it, but be sure there is a citation in it for you if you get caught. I do understand the PCP's that might be the problem. (Expensive, loud, creepy triggers, and loved by a number of past and present air gunners) Why the evolution?
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In Reply to: Thanks for all the support and input....here is what I decided... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 23:20:30:
Same thing happened to me a while back.
All neighboors are sweet about me shooting in the yard, except one *sshole.
He keeps on threatening to call cops if I continue shooting, so I went to the local police station arms office. Got a form saying that it is legal to shoot air rifles in my yard (as long as not to annoy, harm, etc).
Photocopy form, drop it in his mail box.
That shut him up real good.
People like these just do it to piss people off.
Chris
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 23:28:24:
I remember reading a post a while ago about how someone - I forgot who my apologies)- had built an open ended 'box' that he'd sound-proofed somehow and would shoot through. I got the impression that this box was maybe the size of a small window and he'd said that with the muzzle of the gun inside this box the audible report was diminished significantly. Just wondered if this somewhat awkward suggestion might help. I'm guessing there's nothing illegal in reducing noise in this fashion?
Tim
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
Time to put these whiners under the gun!!
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 22:19:17:
dat ull work :) some like her think the law goes one way. theyll think "they get arested" they can get a big shock when its them getting arested. as some of use do from time to time when i posted the chop her hand off post. i was thinking 1" past my nose..thanks for expnding my view..i forgot about the false report stuff
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In Reply to: Standard technique for homemade Crosman trigg shoe? posted by Brian on August 26, 2000 at 23:27:12:
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In Reply to: Yes! posted by JonF. on August 26, 2000 at 23:26:22:
not everybody's barrel and windage line of sight are exact, right? So they would have to do some adjusting to get zeroed at a certain yardage and then they want to shoot a bird at a longer range than they zeroed! Do you have to zero at that certain range before you ca be accurate? Or could you make a click chart?
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In Reply to: Re: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by acet on August 26, 2000 at 23:09:08:
Yeah; but do you shoot PCP's, or springers and gas ram air rifles. What is the purpose of having a PCP that sounds like a 22 rim fire but performs like a springer on steriods. I can appreciate that "air guns" give you trigger time; we are in agreement on this point. What does a 707 (at full power) give you when touched off in a basement, besides a headache. Touchy Swinson obviously loves his PCP's but why????????? Best thinks it a safety thing. OK I'll buy that; but all that tells me is I can shoot a PCP with less "worry" about my backstop. I not sure that I want to touch of a rim fire or a air rifle with out being completely safe about my backstop.
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In Reply to: Squirrel Hunting in Arizona posted by Charles on August 26, 2000 at 23:21:02:
I have a brand new Daystate Huntsman PH6 Deluxe with a huge custom factory silencer that I would like to take sqirrel hunting but am too afraid of some over zelous game officer let alone general law enforcment officer's atempt to take it away from me for thier own personal collection.
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I have the factory tool to remove the valve but can't figure out how to get it out of the gun.
I don't want to tear anything up but it looks like a ring-like washer needs to be pried out.
Then the threaded part of the tool can pull the valve out. Is this ring normally desroyed when working on these guns?
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 21:53:03:
Oh yeah, Craig I hear ya loud and clear. NO WAY. I am legal just as I am, so the hell with her.
That is some advise I won't take. Thank you very much!! I can just see if there had been a big ol moderator hanging off the end of it. What the hell is this???? Well gee officer, it is a silencer,...but they are legal right?? on airguns right??
Come with me sir, we have a place reserved for you.
NO THANKS!
Marty
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Hey all - great board. I just bought a Crosman 2240 cuz its cheaper than my Ruger MkII to run lead through and I can shoot it in the toilet if I want to. But the trigger is torture!
I want to try a homemade trigger shoe. (Are there commercial ones?) Are there any generally accepted methods of making one? I'm thinking about a shaped strip of brass and epoxy, but there's got to be some easily had piece of household steel or brass, plastic, etc. that does the trick. Help please.
brian
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In Reply to: Any news on the Worlds match? posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 26, 2000 at 14:35:33:
Hi Joe from hot Woodbury, MN, at the Worlds and Nationals. I wish I had the strength to go into detail about how things are going but Dave and I are really beat. We got to the Range at 7:30am this morning and back to the Red Roof at around 7:00pm this evening. Both yesterday and today, the same – we had only some sweet roll for breakfast, a bottle of water around lunch, and then dinner after we got back to the hotel. The matches have been lasting right through lunch, starting between 9:30 and 11:00 depending on the weather and ending around 4:30pm.
Dave and I are somewhere in the middle of the pack in terms of our scores, as we both have been experiencing some rig difficulties. I will say that the three courses and environmental conditions have been extremely difficult and challenging. And the competition is as talented as you would expect. At this time, the top score is 90 out of 100 – two shooters. There are a couple of 85’s and four 83’s. My score is 62 so I’m well out of the running.
It's now after 10pm here and I've just finished the process of running ATEAB Ballistic software (A-Team’s) and re-marking my scope knob from 10 to 55 yards. Perhaps not wisely, I installed new scope mounts today after shooting the Blue Course. The mounts were lower, which changed my scope height, and my clicks. Bob Winer helped with the mounts, as did Robert Buckhannon from Airguns of AZ, who also adjusted my trigger. After that, Allen Zasadney looked on my CR-X too. Yep, they're all here - it's like a “whose-who” in FT and airguns. Gary Sanders of Daystate spent most of the morning with my 3-person squad on the Blue Course and later gave me my first Daystate hat. This is all so cool.
Well a well “sun-burned” Dave Goldfarb is snoring like a Grizzly Bear with a deviated septum, so I better get going if I hope to get any sleep. We finish up tomorrow afternoon and then begin our 1000 mile return trip home. We will be back in WV sometime Monday afternoon, God willing. I’m sure Dave and I will have more to report once we recover from this awesome FT experience.
Be well Joe, and I will be looking forward to looking over that project we’ve been talking about. Glad to here it came out well. I think there is a market.
Rick McAllister
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In Reply to: Only if there is wind... posted by Ray Pyke on August 26, 2000 at 22:30:37:
Well I figured it had to do with angles and when you shoot further the bore line and line of site get further apart. Is the inner tube of a scope at an angle to the bore or paralel(sp)?
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In Reply to: let it go hmmm posted by MarkD on August 26, 2000 at 22:57:25:
Mark, I live on the oldest pheasant shooting preserve in the state of Ohio and we have a shooting range on the place for shotgun sports. Many of the issues you discuss have applied here as well. There are definitly cases where one has to fight. There are other cases where one needs to talk it out with the neighbors and try to keep the high ground. There are other cases where fighting causes us to lose ground. Legal battles often cost lots of money and the media has a tendency to demonize us gun owners. When one sues another person over anything to do with guns it can be a double edged sword. So my caution is simply to beware in that course.
I absolutely agree with you that if I were Marty and had had what happened to him happen to me, I would want to make the other person suffer some consequence for her actions. Yet often in life these things go in chain reactions and while we succeed in getting our payback to the other person, there is yet again an even deeper payback we suffer as a consequence. Somewhere the chain has to be broken. I was simply suggesting other alternatives that might work for Marty. My heart grieves for the injustice he was made to endure!
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In Reply to: Re: Exceptions - I might agree posted by tr on August 26, 2000 at 21:27:12:
The media you tested with, plywood and tin cans would not simulate a squirrel or cottontail. Putty, wax or Ivory soap would give you more realistic results.
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In Reply to: Thanks for all the support and input....here is what I decided... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 23:20:30:
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In Reply to: Re: Back up Swinson. posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 23:16:09:
Athol, MA one of the WORST gun cities in the US (MA in general is about the worst state)
Fire a "firearm" unlawfull discharge, fire an airgun no problems at all. As for being quiet, yeah I can dial down the 707 to get it even quieter the an R-9.
If you don't understand PCP's that's ok...just keep shooting the springers.
Regards,
Craig
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Has anyone from Arizona hunted Squirrels in the Rim country? If so, Please share your expiriences. Even if your not from Arizona, would like to here from others . I plan to go after fox and tuffted ear squirrels this October. Az. locals please send me an e-mail at cbh11966@aol.com.Thanks,Charles.
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
I am going to get a copy of the Police report, and see just exactly what she did and did not say, as while the police were here, I got about three different versions.
I get along fine with all my neighbors except her, and she has never even met me. All my neighbors know I shoot in the backyard, and one of my neighbors bought one of my pellet rifles, and he too shoots in the backyard.
But as far as it being a felony to make a false report, I imagine it is. I also imagine that it happens about a gazillion times a day. The police won't do anything about it, it is up to me.
Here is what I decided to do, I am going to get both reports, write a letter, and enclose a copy of the statute, the reports, and warn her nicely not to do it again or pay the concequences. I would be willing to bet having been told twice by the police and then warned by me that it will be the end of it.
I am also in agreement that while we should stick up for our rights, causing a big stink when I have already been told to shoot to my hearts content won't solve anything except to call attention to the statute, and myself. Neither of which I feel will be beneficial. And could very well cause the statute to get changed. It is one thing for the police to know about a disturbance like this, another thing altogether to have it going through courts with all the attending attention. For now, it will be a written warning, and I will continue to shoot.
It has been my experience that people like this, are generally spineless. I think a written warning that I will take her to court should she with full knowledge that I am within my rights to shoot, call the police again. Let's hope so.
Marty
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In Reply to: Another Airgun Forum.. posted by Diamond on August 26, 2000 at 23:14:55:
Didn't you used to have a really good looking girl as the forum banner? either and EAP or IZH girl?
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 23:03:32:
Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that your 707/Daystate or other PCP is as quiet as my R-9? If you live in most cities/towns any discharge of an air rifle is a violation of some ordinance. I assume we all live on the edge when we "shoot out or back doors". Best's feed back was at least logical, shorter range via PCP means you at least have a built in safety factor. But 22 shorts can't be any louder than that creepy triggered 707 that you've been fondling, can it Swinson???
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In Reply to: Compact scope for QB88 posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 26, 2000 at 23:02:29:
Leapers has a 6X40 compact scope that is about 8 inches long and around 10 ounces. However the folks on this board who have commented on it don't seem to think it is that great.
However I am intending on getting one on Monday as soon as I can call a place in Kentucky that sells them. Straighshooters has them for about 85.00 but I believe they can be had for much less. I found one site that had the same scope for 40.00. I am awaiting an email to confirm it is the same one.One is the SCP-640P and one is the SCP-640M. I just want to make sure it is airgun rated. If you want I can email you when I confirm it is the same one and if not what the price is from the other place in Kentucky.
Good luck.
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Check out my forum guys..
In Reply to: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 22:54:08:
I agree with your statement about PCP guns. The .22 LR with target ammo is deadly accurate and has 90 ft/lbs of energy. The CB cap is a bit less accurate and has 30 ft/lbs of energy. A nice springer is all you need. The ideal .22 rimfire ammo would be a 36 grain hp at about 800 fps. The ballistics and noise factor would be superb. Most .22 LR target ammo is loaded to 1020 fps which is too loud. The CCI Standard Velocity is loaded to 900 fps with a 40 grain bullet and is the best I have sampled so far.
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In Reply to: Re: That's the " best " you can do? nt posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 23:01:47:
Nah- just tired of answering that question. I think it comes up about every ten days. RB
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In Reply to: Compact scope for QB88 posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 26, 2000 at 23:02:29:
Any 4x32mm scopes seems to look just fine on them. Heck pick your poison, BSA, Simmons, Bushnell, "Crosman" Tasco...there are tons out there.
Regards,
Craig
Natches, SS, SWFA, Kmart, Walmart, Bass Proshops, ...where to get them list can be endless too
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In Reply to: grey hair/pellet guns/mix/nadda posted by doug on August 26, 2000 at 21:02:27:
Where can I get a 300ft. lbs. Valiente 20 gauge?
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In Reply to: Hy-Score .177 pellet pistol posted by JJ Parker on August 26, 2000 at 21:38:47:
If the barrel exterior is machined, you have a Hy-Score 700, the first model sold, around 1950. If the barrel exterior is formed, with a liner sticking thru, it's one of the 800 series made from 50's into 70's. Yes, it shoots regular pellets - if it's a repeater, you may find round nose shapes work better thru the feed arrangement.
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In Reply to: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 22:54:08:
I have Olympic spec range in my very own home where I can practice for hours every day without spending five digit amount to build the same for a rimfire facility. Air guns give you trigger time, firearms are, well, firearms.
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I would like to get some info on Tech Force Air Guns. Do they make a good gun? The one that I am looking at is the Tech Force 25 - IMPROVED model. With a .177 Cal. it is rated at 1000FPS. at the price of $125.00. Is this a good buy and how does it compair to other guns in quality and performance? I would be grateful for an honest answer. Thanks for any help. Dwight
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In Reply to: legal? posted by Mike Lee on August 26, 2000 at 23:01:57:
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In Reply to: Pellet Suppliers in NY posted by Whiteleather on August 25, 2000 at 23:38:33:
Kris,
Call ARS (607-734-7340). Davis carries RWS and is in Elmira (Pine City), NY. I believe that's about 2 hours from you? HTH
Steve
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In Reply to: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 22:54:08:
There is no reason...keep buying the .22LR stuff. Unfortunately most of my springers are nothing close to whisper soft (or quiet). Plus I shoot a .22lr in my back yard I'm going to jail. My PCP's I can shoot all day long.
But hey I don't live where you live so be happy you can shoot .22lr out the back door and sell me your PCP guns.
Regards,
Craig
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Can anyone recommend a short, cheap, compact scope for a QB-88 and where can I get it? Thanks a lot
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I live in LA County, near the City of Industry. Does anybody know if it is legal to shoot airguns in public areas such as parks? Somebody told me that it was legal as longs as the proper precautions were taken, but I'm not so sure. Thanks.
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In Reply to: total range of less than 1/3 mile. nt posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 22:58:07:
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In Reply to: What can a PCP (707 or the like) do that a rim fire can't??? posted by Ted on August 26, 2000 at 22:54:08:
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In Reply to: Let it go posted by Hawley on August 26, 2000 at 22:18:16:
Hawley I can understand what you are saying but I feel that sometimes we as gun owners do need to fight back if we keep taking a back seat to these anti nuts they will build confidence and come back stronger!!
I personally think trying to resolve this issue on a personal level would probably be more apropriate but things may have gone too far!
To say the least Marty I am shure is very Humiliated being hand cuffed in front of his neighbors, doing somthing well within the law and his rights!!
If someone accused you of shoplifting and the police came and cuffed you would you not be slightly upset and want some legal ground to stand on! There should be repercussion when people "make up" accusations!
I also believe that for the most part air guns are air guns why should Marty have to sell and replace his collection (in the effort to obtain quieter ones) to apease Her! This would be giving up another right of his (and ours) This is why I say sometimes there is a need to fight!
Our family owns a shooting preserve in St.Charles MO. Our neighbors tried to shut us down but we were grandfathered in (we were there before they were) they should have never have bought a house in that development. Would you move next door to a pig farm only to later try to shut them down. By the way where was the NRA when we needed them this COST us BIG dollars but after our appeal we one!
MarkD
OOPS sorry about the rambling but could not help it!
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In Reply to: Re: Let it go posted by bing on August 26, 2000 at 22:42:39:
It might be good to get a copy of the police report about the incident. Having a paper copy of the fact that this lady has "stretched the truth" in her complaints will help if another officer gets a call from this lady in the future.
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Spring and Gas ram air rifles are whisper soft, and deadly out to 50 yards +/-. PCP's are loud, often more expensive to shoot, and sometimes darn right ugly. Why would I want one? Why would any one want one if they already own a 22 rim fire?
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Lew on August 26, 2000 at 22:40:14:
Show her how much fun Airgunning is. Invite her for a match. Just a thought for a different psychology.
( I hate her!!!)
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In Reply to: Re: Hey Mr.P...The first frost is only a few months away now...Is there any way to bait Cottontail Rabbits?... posted by M Boyle on August 26, 2000 at 22:07:42:
They seem to prefer certain grasses over others, clover seems popular. I see a lot more of them on my lawn in the spring when new grass is the first thing to grow.
Plant some clover. Add fertilizer to your lawn in late March or early April. Plant a garden and they will arrive, so will woodchucks.
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In Reply to: Let it go posted by Hawley on August 26, 2000 at 22:18:16:
after reading all the responses that had been posted at this time I feel that this is possibly the sanest and most rational response. The second best was knowing your neighbors, which if you are in good standing with they will support you. It seems every neighborhood has someone who has to try and control every aspect of the surrounding environment.
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
If the lady lied twice, you probably have some legal ground against her. However I can see a situation where if the police or the Law thinks that the backyard shooting causes too much hassle even though it is legal, the may just bring out a bylaw to make it illegal. I happened here. So probably for this reason it may be better not to make waves. IMHO only. I do sympathize with you our area is not better. And some people don't know about Airguns even if the hold it.
There is too much going on in the Media these days. It is no longer "The good old days".
Cheers
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In Reply to: Benjamin sight posted by Darry H on August 26, 2000 at 10:06:15:
Darry, give Bryon & Associates a call. They might
be able to help. I know that they repair and
fabricate parts.
Best time to call is in the eavening.
(864) 261-6810
email: BryanAndAc@aol.com
hth,
Chavez
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In Reply to: Airgun laws concerning children posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 26, 2000 at 20:59:07:
Michigan has more airgun laws than other states. Your best bet is to call the police department in your town and talk to a gun shop person. Please get a pair of safety glasses before shooting. LOL
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Does anybody know of how to convert a Dasiy 1700 into a semi-auto? Somebody told me to use a rubber band. Thanks.
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In Reply to: Anyone from Va respond inside!! posted by Randy from Va on August 25, 2000 at 10:37:22:
im in mineral va about 27 mil off i95 ex 118
In Reply to: Does windage POI change? posted by JonF. on August 26, 2000 at 20:25:46:
If your true bore line and your sight line are in the same plane, then the POI will not change left/right, assuming no wind. If your bore line and sight line are not in the same plane, the POI will change consistant with the MOA, degree of offset, and yardage. Just tha same as the verticle POI does. If you have any wind, and the sight and bore are not in the same plane, good luck!! If the bore and sight are aligned, and you have wind, you will be able to adjust if the wind is steady. Gravity is constant, wind is not usually. Does this help?
MOA and yardage.
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In Reply to: Re: PCP Adapter Idiocy posted by bing on August 26, 2000 at 09:48:04:
Dude I buy them all the time, bought some from Mac then found out I could order them online in boxes and oddly lots of stores carry high pressure metric as some of the best pumps are "not from here".
Heck I can drive to my local paintball shop and get stuff rated for 4500+ PSI in metric.
Like do you really think Mac-1 and Davis are the only guys in the US that sell British Metric Standard threaded adapters? Heck I like Tim but even the billet thing is an import that you can pick up in the UK for about $48 US last time I was there.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: For hunting I agree with Bryan posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 22:21:31:
Been saying it all along. Learn to use them, and you'll love 'em! I've got peeps and low powered scopes, but nothing gets me excited like a big ol' high mag scope. Bill
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Sammy on August 26, 2000 at 22:10:09:
I could see this happening maybe next time she calls it could be a different cop! lets face it they call them how they see it at the time it happens basicly what I am saying is that one may think that a fine solution (moderator) and the next think that is illegal in every shape and form.
JMO
MarkD
PS I am not supporting conspiracy theory just different opinnions
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
The best way to get to a trouble maker in my experiences is to have a good relationship with as many neighbors as possible ..
very sorry to hear about the ordeal ..good luck to you..
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In Reply to: Re: For hunting I agree with Bryan posted by wved on August 26, 2000 at 22:17:35:
Once you got "hi mag" it's hard to go back!
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by M Boyle on August 26, 2000 at 22:15:32:
Throw her butt in jail. I think that would stop most? Only an idiot would file another false report after getting arrested for the first one.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
Marty,
it simply is a lose lose situation for you. Never ever get a mod. for any gun. It is never worth the potential hassle. Follow Craig's advice. Second, don't take it to court. You may win a legal battle but I assure you the end result will bring negative attention to the airgun sport and cost you lots of money. Personally, as many of you know I am not in favor of the 707 for the exact reason you are having problems. I refuse to endorse anyone taking the route the polive suggested to you. Hence use other airguns that do not make so much noise. My Maccari springers are good examples. I have found that many of the 10M PCP's are not all that loud. I could easily shoot my P 70 indoors just as it came from FWB. We have lots of safe alternatives and we need to use them.
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In Reply to: Once hit a pencil at 100m, peep sight posted by parisifal on August 26, 2000 at 22:06:10:
It looks like high magnification is what most shooters want. Now watch the posts over the next weeks and see all the scope drawbacks.
"It came loose". "Does not shoot to the same zero". "Scope is broke". "What is wrong with my gun?".
Peep sight shooters bypass all the joys of scope ownership. Don't take my word, just watch the posts here.
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In Reply to: Re: Confused posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 14:19:08:
Click on the "Air Gun Letter Reference Library" link on the top of this Forum. Try the "Airgun Letter" link too.
There are lots of goodies there for you. I learned a lot just reading the Forum every day. Also there are zillions ( well sort of) Air Gun oriented Web sites.
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In Reply to: Re: For hunting I agree with Bryan posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 21:38:34:
Hi Craig! I also like my 4x12 for squirrel huntin' because, even at normal 30-40 yard ranges, the high mags really come in handy for threading the light .177s I use through twigs & branches when the sq is tryin' ta hide. Makes it easy to tell tha front from tha back at times too :c). That bein' said, I do remember bench shooting 100 yard, 3/4"-1" groups with my .243 Ruger M77 and 95 grain (I think, twas a long time ago) Speer hand loads. Now that I've been spoiled by those great Rekord triggers and "more mag" scopes, I have no idea how I shot so well, WAY BACK THEN! Even now, I've seen my brother shoot 5 three shot groups at 30 yards with his R9 & 6x Burris scope, and the biggest group was 5/16". Heck, I have no idea how he does it, but I've seen it too many times to chalk it up to dumb luck.
Regards, wved
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
The people that live behind me actually think my Crosmans are REAL guns, can you believe this? I wish people could tell the difference between a pellet rifle and a real firearm. The guns I have arent even that loud and I use a proper backstop. This lady complained to my dad that I might shoot up the nieghborhood or somthing bad like that(teenagers just get a bad reputation) But it wont stop me from shooting in my backyard. Why do responsible shooters get hasseled?
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 21:53:03:
i guess the cops could chop her hands off..how do they stop her calling?
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In Reply to: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:09:17:
If you got it would they call it Best Gile?
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Sammy on August 26, 2000 at 22:10:09:
All I'm saying is BEWARE!
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Wanna learn a flinch? Try a flintlock.nt posted by Joe Whittaker on August 26, 2000 at 12:41:18:
up to and including .50 cal BMG. But, that first springer really threw me for a loop. SSlick
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In Reply to: Once hit a pencil at 100m, peep sight posted by parisifal on August 26, 2000 at 22:06:10:
You should get into some PALMA or olympic shooting assuming that 20x20 was like 20 inches?
What .22 you got?
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 21:53:03:
Come on Craig that's a bit of a stretch. Everything is one big conspiracy. GEEEEZZZ!!!!
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In Reply to: Hey Mr.P...The first frost is only a few months away now...Is there any way to bait Cottontail Rabbits?... posted by Josh P. on August 26, 2000 at 17:28:59:
they come out at sun rise & sunset here in my backyard feedin times
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
I see all of this and i think to myself, i can hit a 20x20 target at 300 meters with a 22lr using factory sights. At 100 meters i can plink a good squirrell or two, at 50 i can hit an army men, at 25 i can hit a gummy bear. All with my plain sight (which by the way i am severely near-sighted). I love scopes but i think people go into that power overkill stuff. Find a good scope, large diameter, good focal lenght, shock-resistant, waterproof, and the best eye-releif you can find. Look at Leica scopes, notice how expensive and "low-powered" they are, and notice most extreme power scopes are fairly cheap compare to the likes of 14x with 80mm.
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 21:53:03:
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Charlie on August 26, 2000 at 21:01:24:
Marty if need be come over to my house my closest neighbor is atleast 400yrds away!!
Thank GOD for that. I would not want to go through what you did today or any day!
MarkD
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
id sue her ass.the more they get away with the more theyll try to get away with.and id make sure i had every cop she called and the ones that came out to your home as witnesses..thatll learn her :)
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
Glad to hear that you're alright. Get to know the
local police force, because it'll only be a matter
of time before a rookie or two show up and things
could get REAL dangerous. To the layman a gun like
that is to real looking to second guess. Becarefull!
She knowingly just endangered your life and everyone
within a 100yds.!!!!!!! Contact the police chief and
a lawyer and find out how to stop this before someone
really gets hurt, it's only a matter of time before
she does it again. Don't go for a third strike, it
could be your last. LOL Bob Kelly
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In Reply to: Less Accurate? posted by Happy Gardener on August 26, 2000 at 20:51:34:
Happy: at 75 feet I've seen groups sizes drop from 1" to less than half an inch, with the only difference being the pellet. RB
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
Marty: I would have let the first time slide- as you apparently did, but a second time should require some action. She may need to be put in a legal hotseat to learn her lesson. RB
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In Reply to: HW54EL Deisel powered posted by bing on August 26, 2000 at 18:36:38:
This is crossing the line between firearms and airguns. I like airguns because they are low powered, quiet, and cheap to shoot, all advantages that disappear with the super power versions.
However, for some special cases, like full auto fire, there could be a reason to explore gas use. I am thinking maybe propane could be cheaper to get and more consistent to use than ether. Now the danger level would be extreme, so design considerations have to allow for that. This is not a do-it-yourself- job, probably. Trained driver on closed track, etc. But the extra energy from a gas explosion could easily be used to cycle the action and reload. Somewhere I have heard full auto fire that sounded just like a real machine gun and was told it was a propane simulator. I don't know what they are used for, scaring pests from crops maybe, making war movies, maybe even training military? At any rate, some one already makes a commercial propane m.g. that fires full auto, but fires no projectile, and apparently doesn't blow up and kill anyone. How hard could it be to add an attachment that would fire pellets, airsoft, or paintballs? Of course you would want it quieter, maybe you can reduce the amount of propane injected.
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
Maybe it's a trap?!?! The cops can't get you cause you are not breaking the law, they don't seem to care what kind of false reports that lady files, (she's gotten away with it both times?)
So maybe they say get a silencer because the next time she calls they can run you down town on a felony rap. Obviously they are not to interested in stopping her from calling so maybe that's one way to stop you from shooting. Ask Randy from VA he can clue you into the different agendas that cops have.
Marty: I can see it now, "But Judge the officer told me to get a moderator."
Officer: I did not you honor.
Judge: 4 years for you Marty
BEWARE!
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In Reply to: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:09:17:
That will help keep them away. But, don't eat bananas or any other fruit or they will really eat your ass up. SSlick
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In Reply to: Re: Field Target Rifle Recommendations posted by CharlesC on August 26, 2000 at 20:14:42:
Charles is right, the QB is accurate enough for Field Target, but the power level is a bit low and splits usually won't fall for you. Joe Whittaker used his QB-77 the first time he ever shot Oak Ridge and did very well with it. I'm not saying it's the best choice of course, only that in the hands of a good shot it can get the job done.
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In Reply to: Need night varmint shooting tips. posted by Glenn on August 25, 2000 at 16:02:15:
I've tried taping a small maglight just below the barrel. I figured it was bright enought to shoot by but not enough to startle them. (pigeons) Didn't work at all. It worked fine for target shooting in the garage but wasn't bright enough to see well outside and not bright enough to make the prey freeze. You want something really bright, so you freeze them with the light and can see to make an accurate shot. Get the brightest spot light you can find. (and check the laws, some states don't allow shooting with a light) I am not familiar with fruit rats but I don't hunt anything with a 1077. Use the S-1.
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
My gun barrel only peeks out the back door when a vermin thinks the garden is self-serve. Sorry to hear of your hassle and lying neighbor, what a f-----g a---ole. Invite her over to examine your backstop?
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In Reply to: Re: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by Bryan Targett on August 26, 2000 at 12:45:39:
I hunt all the time with a 16x scope and it works fine. You guys are just jealous cause scopes cost so much in the UK most can't buy high mag. Now tell us how a non-adjustable objective is better then and AO.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: No, i think posted by Roger McAllen on August 26, 2000 at 21:21:01:
Ask a benchrest shooter how important a crown is. It's the last thing that affects the flight of the projectile. If it is burred, it can leave por imprints on the pellet, making it inconsistent. Accuracy is extremely hard to maintain without a proper crown. Also, shorter, STIFFER barrels are inherently more accurate than longer ones. Less barrel vibrations to worry about, and less barrel flexing. BTW, offhand or in position shooting, I think a shorter barrel is easier to be accurate with, as you have less of a chance of moving off target before the pellet leaves the barrel. And unless you severly shorten your barrel, in a spring gun I think it is common to not really lose any velocity. JMO, Bill
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In Reply to: Re: Field Target Rifle Recommendations posted by BSJ on August 26, 2000 at 17:12:17:
How much are you asking Brian? Regards,
Unc
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In Reply to: Maybe I should try a QB88 posted by James Kitching on August 26, 2000 at 21:15:55:
James, maybe I just lucked out? (nah, - I've read posts and heard from at least a couple of other folks that enjoy theirs as well :) I'm not an airgun authority, I'm a beginner, but I am trying to learn steadily. I now also have an HW30 (great gun for a kid - I bought it for my son as it's a little less bulky than the '88.) an R9, and am expecting a BSA Supersport (in .22) next week :::crossing my fingers::: so I have shot 'better' rifles, but for what I enjoy the QB for the most- short range plinking and target, I really am fond of it. It doesn't look as good as the HW30, but it is as accurate for my basement shooting (not quite as at longer distances in the the backyard) and for the price, well... that says it right there.
I actually am having someone make me a better stock for it (will cost me way more than the gun, lol) - but I'm a nut.
Like I said, I've not regretted buying it, and I paid more for it than I should have (yeah, yeah, .... I found this forum *after* I bought ;) but even at the inflated price I think it's a value.
Maybe *I* should try the B7 ... not beyond possibility :)
Shoot Straight,
Tim
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In Reply to: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:09:17:
Russ,
I've always had a lot better luck using "Deep Woods Off", it's got a lot more "DEET" in it than Cutters, and the price is about the same. I had some of the mil issue bug dope one time that REALLY worked. Trouble was, it was 75% DEET and would poison you if you got any in your mouth or on your lips! About 25% DEET is all you need to effectively repel mosquitoes. Cheers!
Unc
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Howdy. I have a Hy-Score arms .177 pellet pistol, knurled, cylindrical "magazine" at the rear, nicely machined barrel. Gun is a one stroke spring cock. Barrel marked: HY-SCORE TARGET AIR PISTOL
Hy-Score Arms/Co, New York, NY
Patent Pending
Question: Can I shoot regular .177 pellets? I have not seen one of these before...what is it?
Thanks,
JJ
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In Reply to: For hunting I agree with Bryan posted by Hawley on August 26, 2000 at 16:22:05:
So let me get this straight, you don't hunt with airguns but you have an opinion on how to do so and what works best? I use centerfire guns to hunt a good bit and without a 24x scope on a lot of the hunts it would be considered cruel to try and take a shot as there is "no shot placement" with a 6x scope at 400 yards. 6x is great for bigger game up to about 200-300 yards, medium and small to 100 or so. So yeah I agree with Randy to some extent but if you want to make really precise longer distance shots on game with an airgun you gotta have better magnification and ranging. I mean a lot of folks are lucky to group well at a half inch to an inch at 50 yards with a 24x scope and a bench rest? or can everybody do that? with a 6x scope? Anything other then near perfect shot placement with an airgun at 50 yards plus and your plinking at game, and that ain't hunting.
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: Why I traded a HW77 for a RWS 48 in .25 posted by allen on August 26, 2000 at 18:30:08:
There is nothing wrong with the HW 77. I had 4 rifles in .177 and didn't use the hw77 much. It was accurate and reliable though, I may regret getting rid of it. I use my Pro elite in .177 for effective pest control, my R7 for accurate target shooting, and my match tau 200 for target. The HW77 just was not needed.
The RWS 48 in .25 is more for open sight plinking, and I want to see my shots with the naked eye, thats why I ordered .25 cal, bigger holes than .177.
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In Reply to: ZM 2002 posted by Ralp M. on August 26, 2000 at 10:19:39:
Got mine 2 days ago after waiting 4 months. Well worth it but am getting used to its weight. Sure isnt a falcon:)
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In Reply to: Re: No, i think posted by Roger McAllen on August 26, 2000 at 21:21:01:
from what i understand, crowning is very important. if all parts of the pellet skirt do not leave the barrel at the same time, the pellet will tumble in flight and lose its accuracy. a friend of mine has sawed down two of his rifles (both cheapo crosmans). one actually ended up being a little better (more accurate and more power) but the other gun was ruined and lost power and accuracy. don't mean to scare you off of the idea, but just make sure you know what you are getting into before you do it.
hth,
john
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In Reply to: Re: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by Derrin on August 26, 2000 at 20:52:33:
I have to disagree. If you are not accustomed to using higer magnification scopes, yes there can be some moving and shaking. However, I can find no discernable difference in my ability to stay on target using a 14x compared to a 36x. Bear in mind that I have been shooting scopes of 36x for 10+ years shooting silhouette, and that is all offhand. I find it easier to be more accurate the higher my scope magnification goes regardless of shooting position. This is me however, and after years of shooting higher power scopes, I find it hard to revert to lower power scopes. The higher powers simply produce better accuracy. If they didn't, there would be no call for them.
I will have to agree with you about needing extra light gathering abilities in darker hunting situations though.With 50mm objective lenses though, adequate light is gathered in all but the darkest situations, even at higher magnifications. I keep all of my scopes cranked to the maximum power 90% of the time, and never have a problem. Seems to me the only power limitations for a scope is the limitaion for the user to be able to use it properly. If you are uncomfortable with higher magnification, you will not be able to make a good shot placement. Bear in mind, a 2" wobble is a 2" wobble, wether you use a 36x or a 4x. Any thing else is in your head. JMO, Bill
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In Reply to: Exceptions posted by Happy Gardener on August 26, 2000 at 20:46:54:
I'm with you on this one, Hap! Most of the medium powered Chinese springers shoot GOOD pointed pellets pretty well. But the only ones I personally consider "GOOD" are the Beeman Silver Sting and the RWS Superpoint. In true magnum class airguns, however, domes invariably prove most accurate and have better downrange ballistics past 30 yards. Cheers!
Unc
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In Reply to: Airgun laws concerning children posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 26, 2000 at 20:59:07:
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In Reply to: Exceptions posted by Happy Gardener on August 26, 2000 at 20:46:54:
I also subscribed to this theory. I took a number of varmints with a Crosman 760 at very close range using pointed pellets, assuming I needed penetration more than anything.
But when I tested penetration in various gage tin cans and plywood, the pointed ones did no better with any of my airguns, so I stopped using them in favor of domes. The shots on game did work though.
I have now retired the 760 in favor of the B-S 392 with Kodiacs. Penetration seems to be, ahem, adequate!!! I'd steroid it but I never use more than 5 pumps anyway, I may someday though.
yours,
tr
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In Reply to: Airgun laws concerning children posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 26, 2000 at 20:59:07:
tom, in some states you need to be 16-18 to buy airguns. now at some k-marts i bet they let that slide. concerning shooting, most if not all states have city limit laws. that means they wont let you shoot n the backyrd or frontyard unless you are not in city limits..Marty of silverstreak ha said it legal in his backyark to shoot his airgun. you should check the law locally to find out what is or isnt legal. dont assume its legal..mom & dad could get in trouble ..as your under age. garage or basement is legal as laws for the most part stop at your front door.parental supervision isnt some thing have ever put in a law to do with airguns "yet"
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In Reply to: I say sue the pants off of her posted by Tommy on August 26, 2000 at 20:56:11:
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In Reply to: No, i think posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 26, 2000 at 21:14:07:
OK, thanks for you POV, but I don't really understand why you give so much importance to the crowning. After all, it is only "the end of the barrel"... I don't remember where I read it, but it said that a longer barrel was more flexible (at the end) than a shorter barrel, thus the accuracy was better with the carbine versions (just a little bit, though), because there was less flex when the pellet was about to leave the barrel (perhaps I'm wrong, but I think that is also what Airgunner UK said recently when they tested accuracy w/ and w/o muzzle brakes ; more inertia at the end means that the end of the barrel with take more time to bend, and the pellet would then be far far away when it will start moving... compare to the B.O.S.S. system on firearms)
Thanks Doc !
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In Reply to: Re: Who Recalls...barrel Dia. is 7/16 so... posted by Steve B. on August 26, 2000 at 16:14:19:
Hey Steve, I did have one of these models and it did work, just couldn't recall which one. Thanks, I suspected that both would work. See ya
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: Less Accurate? posted by Happy Gardener on August 26, 2000 at 20:51:34:
I hae noticed less accuracy with pointed pellets that is a factor with offhand shooting with low cost guns.
In Reply to: Does windage POI change? posted by JonF. on August 26, 2000 at 20:25:46:
The pellet may follow a spiral pattern of flight and therefore your windage may change with varying distances. If you fire the airgun in just the right light, then you can see the spiral effect (Coriolis effect I beleive). Fire the pellet at a black background with a strong light behind you at night and you will see it.
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In Reply to: Re: Which Is safer? posted by Tir on August 26, 2000 at 21:02:56:
I am very leery tho, after my experience with some other Industry springers. I have read some ggod things about them.
In Reply to: Sawing the barrel posted by Roger McAllen on August 26, 2000 at 20:41:50:
There are 2 things I can think of wrong with sawing off the end. First, a uniform crown appears to have a lot to do with accuracy. I suppose if you recrowned the barrel after sawing it off you would be ok. Second, in some cases (I am not sure off the top of my head which guns) the pellet accelerates until it leaves the barrel. if you saw off the barrel, then the pellet would leave the gun slower. Third, (just thought of it) in a spring gun, perhaps the design takes for granted the muzzel length and if the pellet leaves the barrel before its supposed too, then you could get more piston bounce (;ast one very unsure of).
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I am considering purchasing a new airgun, I like the BSA stutzen, however I think the prosport from airarms is a better gun. But, I like the looks of the stutzen, are the BSA guns any good, can they hold a candle to the air-arms guns, any help apprecieated.
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In Reply to: Planning To mount a scope on my new rifle..... posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 26, 2000 at 19:50:57:
I've not yet tried to find rings (or a combination of risers) that would allow for mounting a long scope on mine. I've opted to go the compact scope route (currently a Leapers 6X40 AO) and to tell the truth I've currently got it mounted in a set of cheapo mounts I got at K-Mart (high, see-through - though not high enough to really use the open sights...the 40mm bell of the scope obscures the rear sight). The '88 is not a heavy recoiler and these mounts have held fine. I think I paid $10.00 for them.
Actually, these have worked better than the rings from Compasseco (I tried those initially- they work, but don't offer as much clearance of the loading port).
Tim
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Charlie on August 26, 2000 at 21:01:24:
jack@*** neighbor lady. hehehe. ;o)
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In Reply to: PCP Adapter Idiocy posted by Charlie on August 25, 2000 at 22:32:33:
Thanks everyone! As it turns out, I later discovered that the
thread adapter on my Falcon FN8-WG fill hose assembly was exactly
what I needed for the Daystate connector. I actually got to shoot
today!!!! Think I'll take Tim up on the universal yoke idea as
I don't want to wear out the threads on my Axsor pump change from
this hose assembly to that hose assembly.
Charlie
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In Reply to: Which Is safer? posted by Tommy on August 26, 2000 at 19:01:19:
Not trying to antagonize James, but just to speak from my own experience - the anti bear-trap mechanism on the '88 is sound (at least mine is) and if anything becomes 'unsound' it is immediately apparent when you begin the cocking stroke. You can very clearly hear and feel the piston riding over the ratchet mechanism when it's operating correctly. You can release the sidelever at any point during the cocking stroke and the piston will catch on the ratchet safely. I did have a screw loosen after about the first 100 shots, and when it was apparent that the ratchet was loose it was a simple matter to tighten the errant screw. A drop of thread lock and I've not had any repeat loosening (now close to three thousand shots). As with ALL spring guns, even break barrels or underlevers, I always err on the side of caution and after cocking keep my arm draped over the side lever while loading a pellet in the breech - likewise with a break barrel I keep hold of the barrel with one hand while loading with the other - always. This is just common sense. I don't have any firsthand experience with Xifeng guns (the '88 is the only Chinese gun I own, it was my first) and I have heard that many of the other industry models leave a lot to be desired, but the QB88 is the exception to that general statement in my experience and from what I've heard from some others.
Personally, I like it - very much.
Tim
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
I have the same problem with a old lady across the street, she looks out her window when Iam shooting my guns and shakes her finger at me. So one day I gave her this charles manson like stare and she backed off, good thing too as I know I could clean her clock, well now I just sneak outside when its dark to test my big bombers like my 300 ft. lb. valiente 20 gauge, and before they know where the sound came from Iam back in the house.
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In Reply to: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:09:17:
come on down to the florida panhandle. we have trucks that drive by 3 nights a week to fog for skeeters and they dump parasites in the standing water that eat the skeeter larve. if it helps i can't tell. the skeeters are almost pleasant compared to some of the other evil critters around such as no-seeums,fire ants, scorpions, yellow flies, cow killers and massive populations of fleas,ticks and recluse and widow spiders. just to name a few. it's never one or another. it's always a combination of several.
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
The damn fool was probably wearing her "Million Mom March" pin
when she called the police!!!!!
Geez.............. She should have her TV taken away for a period not
less than 1 year. Maybe this would be enough time to stimulate her brain
back into action again.
Charlie
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In Reply to: will the Beeman Silver Arrow be good for varmint hunting???.. posted by jake on August 26, 2000 at 16:54:44:
I bought them to use for close up shots on large varmits. So far its 1 for 1 on woodchucks. I want to try them on snowshoe hares but have not had the chance. They are about $7.50 for a tin in .22 caliber plus tax in a gunshop. I think the best use for this pellet is for use on large varmits with a magnum or supermagnum airgun.
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The fact is, I'm only 14, and I'm wondering about laws concerning my age. I assume it's not illegal to for me to shoot without parental supervision, but is it ilegal to shoot alone in my back yard? What about other laws concerning my age and airguns? I live in Michigan by the way. Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Art on August 26, 2000 at 20:51:54:
Why would she do something like that to you? Were you not nice to her? I would sue her for sure, but probably wouldn't. Because some people have been in a situation where they might have been a chance that they could sue. But it's too much work.
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
That obviously has you very upset, and I can fully
appreciate how upset ... especially since it's
still Saturday :-)
You are very fortunate that your police force is
willing to exercise logical thought. Many might
choose to take the easy path and make your life
miserable.
Unfortunately, the air gun world probably doesn't
have enough total mass to engage in self-defense.
The organization that represents amateur radio
has a program of volunteer counselors (real
lawyers who are hams) to help when local level
problems conflict with the letter of the law.
On the other hand, total shooters probably outnumber
ham radio folks by a considerable number. But, as
far as I know, the NRA doesn't have a similar
program.
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
To me this is simple. While everyone shoots differently and has different opinions , for hunting there IS a limit on how much power you need in a scope. First , different terrain and country can require different needs in scopes. If you hunt in the desert or plains , you may be making really long shots over flat spaces requiring higher magnification. If you are hunting in deep or dark woods that are thick, you will need lower magnifications for the greater brightness it allows. Having said that , in all practical sniper situations out to 1500 yds, we still used 9 or maybe up to 14 power to make torso shots . A torso at 1000 yds looks tiny in a 12 power scope. If you " needed " a higher power scope , we would say that you needed more time at the range practicing !!! To me there is a wonderful all around answer that should be able to meet EVERYONE'S need : a 4 to 14 or maybe 16 power will meet all reasonable shooting situations an airgun will permit. If you say that 14 or 16 power isn't enough , maybe you should practice a little more. High power equals image shake , period.
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In Reply to: Career .25 Backyard shooting and handcuffs.....a story of this Sunday posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 20:43:22:
I thought filing a false police report was a felony?
Art
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In Reply to: The fallacy of better penetration with pointed pellets. posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 18:22:01:
I do not dispute that pointed pellets are less accurate. Lots of shooters here have very sophisticated airguns with extreme accuracy. Would the average airgunner shooting offhand at distances up to 100 feet notice the difference?
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In Reply to: R7 Question posted by JC on August 26, 2000 at 17:13:50:
Is the bang a little like a crack or pop from a rimfire gun? If so, it's probably dieselling. That might be caused by you clipping the skirt of the pellet when you close the barrel. Of course, you'd have to be leaving the skirt sticking out some for that to happen.
Otherwise, I have no clue what's happening. Hopefully Russ or someone else with more experience than I have will chime in on this one too.
You might want to repost your question with a more specific subject line like "R7 goes bang and pellet gets stuck in barrel"--if you don't get any replies by tomorrow (Sunday) morning.
Good luck, JP.
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In Reply to: The best pointed pellet is the one you DON'T buy. Stick with... posted by Marty Silver Streak on August 26, 2000 at 17:18:18:
Airguns with a velocity in the 600-800 fps range with .177 caliber penetrate better with a pointed pellet. They do not drive the pellet hard enough to smash the point as magnum airguns do.
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Well, there I was sighting the new Swift 6-24x50mm scope which I had just mounted on my Career .25 in the backyard. I had stapled the target to cardboard, then stapled that to a double layer of 2x12's measuring about 3'x 3' and set it up in the backyard against a tree at 25 yards.
Well as you all know the Career is a repeter, and I had already run 2 clips through the gun, had stopped and recharged it with the Axsor pump. I was shooting one after another, without looking up, when I heard GET YOUR HANDS UP!! I peered over the top of the scope, and low and behold there was a police officer in my back yard, one in the neighbors yard to my left, and one in the yard of the jackass neighbor lady on the next block. Well of course I set the gun down, came down off the deck, and was spread eagled, and handcuffed. Now this same lady had called the police last year, and was told that it was perfectly legal for me to shoot my pellet rifles in the back yard. Soooo...she calls them and tells them that I am shooting her house, her dogs, and everything else. And of course that she feared for her life. Well you can imagine the reaction of the Police. I cannot fault them, as they were only doing their job.
Just to let you know it ain't no fun having three police officers with guns drawn and pointed at you. I was taken to the front of the house on the street handcuffed, and placed over the front of a car, all the while every neighbor on the block was out to see what all the ruckus is about. To put it mildly it wasn't fun. After things settled down a bit, and I convinced them that it was indeed a pellet rifle, and that this same lady that called them had been told last year that it was perfectly legal for me to shoot in my backyard, they took the cuffs off, and gave me my Career back.
They looked up the report from last year, and found that she had indeed told them the same thing last year that I was shooting at her house and dogs.
Around 30 minutes after they had the police called me and informed me that it was OK for me to continue shooting if I so desired. They told this woman that I was shooting safely, and with a proper backstop etc.
Now here is the real kicker, they suggested that I get something to quiet it down with in order to keep the peace in the neighborhood!! So I said well if I do, will you have a problem with that?? They said no, go ahead and get a moderator!! A couple of bales of straw for a backstop, and they would deal with her.
So as you can imagine I had a real exciting Sunday afternoon. I am seriously considering sueing her. I have no problem with working with neighbors to keep the peace, but when someone lies in an attempt to "get me in trouble" and embarrass me. That I do have a problem with. But I am also not real fond of waving a red flag around at city hall.
Hope everyone else had a good day.
Marty
SSSports
Hi !
Would it be wise to saw the barrel of an old airgun, to make it more compact and easier to carry ? Would it lose a lot of accuracy (even if there's nearly nothing remaining)
Thanks.
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In Reply to: Re: Russ: Simple (hopefully) R9 Trigger Adjust Question posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 18:13:12:
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Does/will windage point of impact change at different ranges?
Thanks
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In Reply to: Re: Field Target Rifle Recommendations posted by M Boyle on August 26, 2000 at 17:06:42:
I shot a borrowed Mac1 QB-77 in a FT match with Wade and the boys in Mississippi after the Little Rock air gun show and did real good for a novice. That little rifle is incredibly accurate. It won't knock down targets with splits as well as the big PCP Daystates, but does a very good job.
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In Reply to: Re: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:31:17:
You should come to Sweden right now. In some communities a discussion going on about using chemicals from aeroplanes to get rid of these mosquitos. Several peoples has been real sick from to many(several hundred) bites and needed hospital care. In the northern(worst) parts of Sweden they are shooting these things with a 30-06 and barbecue them as chickens (just kidding).
Mikael
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what oil should i use to clean the metal and wood parts of my gun? can i use the same oil for both or will i have to purchase 2 different types of oil? i beleive i recall seing a post about a silicon gun cloth? what is that and will it help to keep my gun clean?
srry about all the newbie questions,
hank
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I'm planning to mount a scope on my rifle that I'm planning to get (QB-88 or B-7). Are the tasco 1 inch "high" rings at Golden Toller sturdy and what not? I need high rings for the 88 to clear the breech. What about the high rings at Compasseco, the ones under the tech force page. It's important that I find out about these rings, thanks a lot.
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In Reply to: Chrony posted by Vic Thompson on August 26, 2000 at 16:47:21:
I can't seem to get into their website either. You might try them by phone at (905) 276-6292 if you haven't already. Good luck
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In Reply to: Cody Dotter posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 07:20:41:
if you can find a TK-Raid i think they came in 22. i like the 20cal myself..it seems to have a better BC in CPs in 20cal
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
I simply like them better. Rarely do I notice the weight of a gun when I carry it. I have to admit I am a rather large guy(6'5", 300+ pounds), so it never really bothered me. I buy variables only to leave them on the maximum power 90% of the time. I have been shooting high power scopes for so long that target acquisition is just as fast for me at 24 power as 4 power. None of my friends seem to be able to do this though. I try to make a comparison though, I shoot my .22's at 100 yards with 36 power scopes, equating roughly to 9 power at 25 yards, where most of my air rifle shooting is done. I have good luck in that range, but have no problem using bigger scopes. It's simply a matter of taste. I rarely have a need to rangefind, but if I do I will surely go larger. Fine by me, the bigger the better. Thats how I like 'em. Bill
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In Reply to: Which Is safer? posted by Tommy on August 26, 2000 at 19:01:19:
The B7 has well made durable anti bear trap device. I hae not see a QB88, but judging some of their other springers build quality, I would not trust anything on the ones I saw.
All Xifeng guns fit finish and vuild quality are superior to the Industry line.
The trigger on the B88 is probably better, accuracy and power should be similar, some people have repoerted exceptional accuracy with QB88's.
The Industry guns I tested were accurate, I have to give them that, but accuracy ain't everything.
In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
im sure there is a happy middle. with me i do like the extra power but do understand why a person would want high power. if i can see 3' either side of the target i think thats about right. so ill only use this 36x for 25-75 yard shots. at 50 feet the thing makes a sparrow look like a crow with only about 3" on either side. if there was a 2 powered scope say 10X 32X zoom it would be perfect 10x for hunting and 32x for FT\long range targets
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In Reply to: I need more help! :-P posted by Daniel on August 26, 2000 at 10:58:14:
NT
Ever since reading about what an anti bear-trap device is for, Ive been paranoid of getting my fingers chopped off. Do the QB-88 or the B-7 have these safties? Plus, which is MORE ACCURATE, and which has a BETTER FINISH? Thanks.
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In Reply to: Take an UNconfused pill and try a supersoaker. Lots of fun especially when filled with ink. posted by Josh Randell on August 26, 2000 at 18:11:03:
It will make a HUGE MESS. And I can't hunt with it.
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In Reply to: Re: help with daystate posted by airsmith on August 25, 2000 at 05:27:43:
I'm using the huntsman for F/T I shot two 32 round groups and the chrony said I was shooting at 550 to 650 fps at 6 inches from the muzzel. I think this is way too low for F/T. crosman CPs were used. .177 cal
thanks
thom
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In Reply to: alternatives to lead pellets?? posted by allen on August 26, 2000 at 18:32:36:
Allen: not much choice out there, although Prometheus recently introduced their "Dynamic" which is supposedly tin. Cannot speak for it's accuracy. I've also used Prometheus Hunting pellets which have zinc heads in a plastic sabot. Do NOT waste your time with these !
To be honest, elemental lead (airgun pellets)isn't very soluble, so there is probably very little risk involved at all. Regards, Russ Best
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As the posts turn to the subject of deiseling I am thinking of my BARAKUDA. No not the Plymoth. But the HW35 on steroids from the fifties. I do believe it to be the only airgun that can be clasified as a firearm.
It is a dual power rifle, with the standard spring piston ser up. It can be used thusly as you would any springer. Although it produces only about 600fps using a lite pellet.
The early ones were produced in a 5.6mm, (your .22 cal. is a 5.5mm). The rifle has a tube attached to the side of the reciever to hold a small amount of ETHER(very combustable) which can be injected directly into the compression chamber.
Now, I must assume that every one knows that rapid compression generates heat. All those little molecules of air in the compression chamber whwn compressed are moveing around so rapidly and constantly bumping into each other causing friction and there by generating heat. The last I heard it was up to about 1,800 degrees. More than enough to ignite a combustable substance.
With the cocked and loaded in the normal fashion the Ether is injected into the chamber (I use starting fluid as Ether is not really available to use lay folks) and fired.
This is were this rifle gets separated from the rest of the airguns. Because it kicks like a rimfire and at night it belchs out a flame. Most of the springpiston recoil is canceled out by the deisel action. After repeated firing the trigger finger gets slapped around and sensitive, which I have heard happens in the HW35 also.
The performance of this action is AWESOME!! You get the same sonic report of a rimfire, which I believe to be going super sonic. The accuracy suffers, but when you can put a prometheous pellet thru (I mean ALL way) a standard issue stop sign you know you have some thing special!
This has to be the most unusual airgun that I own. I don't regularly shot this one, but I do take it out once or twice a year just to keep it lubed up on the inside..
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I'm just beginning to use an airgun for hunting shooting training to cut costs and reduce the noise that bothers some neighbors. I don't like the idea of putting a few pounds of lead into my fields each year. I have a Beeman HW77. Is there a good alternative to lead pellets??? Thanks for the advice.
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In Reply to: Why I traded a HW77 for a RWS 48 in .25 posted by Jennifer on August 26, 2000 at 11:06:14:
I just bought an HW77 rather than an RWS 48. The purpose is for hunting shooting training so that I don't have to spend so much money on 2506 ammunition ($.80 per round) and so that I don't disturb the neighbors as often. What is it you didn't like about the HW77? Why is the RWS 48 better in your opinion? Thanks for the advice. I'm new to airgun shooting.
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In Reply to: Re: Favorite Target! posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 00:49:53:
So that's how it's done! (actually- the pellet is momentarily FAR from cold during the impact- but you knew that. he he) Speaking of lead- get packing!!! Russ
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In Reply to: Value of 1940 Vintage Red Ryder BB Gun? posted by Dave Pelaez on August 26, 2000 at 07:44:57:
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In Reply to: whats the best Pointed Pellet??? nt.... posted by steve on August 26, 2000 at 16:33:40:
I'm with Marty. Done lots of pellet comparisons in over 50 different airguns. I didn't find a single gun that shot OR penetrated better using pointed pellets. In many cases, they were LESS accurate. That's not to say that one certain gun won't perform at it's best with pointeds, but the odds are against it. Airgun pellets are for the most part very soft, vigin lead. The point on a pointed pellet flattens so quickly when it strikes anything of substance, that it might as well not even be there. If you are looking for better penetration, look to the harder pellets such as Crosman Premiers, which have more antimony in them. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:09:17:
Russ,
I'll be thinking about while we're watching Sting in concert here tonight. Ha Ha
chasm
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In Reply to: Russ: Simple (hopefully) R9 Trigger Adjust Question posted by bcd on August 26, 2000 at 17:20:39:
I generally start with one turn, then go from there. The thing is that not all triggers (of the same make)are set the same at the factory. Too light a setting will not allow the sear to engage. Just use your head and proceed with caution. Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Cody! posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 09:30:37:
Or bleach
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In Reply to: Favorite Target! posted by Matt Donovan on August 25, 2000 at 23:58:07:
I'm gettin' dumped, I know it.
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In Reply to: Re: For hunting I agree with Bryan posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:37:08:
Russ, range finding with a 17 Rem or a 222 Rem or a 22-250 is not at all a consideration for me. Actually in all my airgun shooting, it is not a consideration. I have 3 ranges that I use, 10M, 25 yards and 50 yards: and I yend to use different guns for each. Hence once it is sighted in, it tends to stay set as is. Now the 36X Hakkos and Nighforces are great fun at 50 yards and I use high mag scopes for targets all the time. However I still remember one time this summer when I had a 30X Hakko on my rifle and a groundhog appeared literally 6 or 7 yards away. I couldn't find him in the scope and he was gone. Even with no scope at all and sighting down the barrel, I should have been able to hit him at that distance. Yet I tried to fing him in my scope. With my variable 6-18 and 6.5-20 scopes, I always hunt at the lowest settings.
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In Reply to: Hey Mr.P...The first frost is only a few months away now...Is there any way to bait Cottontail Rabbits?... posted by Josh P. on August 26, 2000 at 17:28:59:
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In Reply to: Official Declaration. " PCP and CO2 Day " posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 13:36:14:
I didn't know it was officially a CO2 day but I took out
my QB 78 (.22) with the MaCc 1 mods today.
It was over 100 degrees in Wichita Falls and those premiers
were really whizzing. I hit grasshoppers at 50 yards.
I'm thinking of sending one back to Tim for a extened bulk and
the longer match barrel.
Have fun,
Mike
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In Reply to: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:09:17:
I once heard from someone who is SUPPOSED to know,
that the itch is caused when you swat the skeeter
so it doesn't have an opportunity to extract the
saliva that contains the anti-coagulant. Kinda
gross to think about, and I still swat, but figured
I'd pass it along.
FWIW, I've always found Off to be my best defense,
but maybe because Cutters is so darn expensive :-)
Off works great in the swamps around Wister Preserve
near Salton Sea. I watched one of those skeeters
poke it's beak through my shooting vest and a layer of
clothing!
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
I seem to like 4x12 scopes myself when target shooting or sighting in I use 12x but in the field im on 4x 99percent of the time infact if I try to shoot off hand at 12x I get sea sick!
and the results for me are better at 4x when shooting "off hand" Which I am really bad at.
MarkD
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Hey Everybody,
I have a Steriod 392 and plently of CP's now.I also have lots of places to hunt.My style is to sit and wait for them to come out,and to make it a lil easier...what can I use for bait?I know its not very ethical and all but I'm hunting for the freezer,plus I've never had Rabbit and I want to try it.
Thanks-Josh P.
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Russ,
If you're not toooooooo busy swatting skeeters ...
I'm at the point where I feel the R9 trigger
requires just a wee bit too much force to let off.
Normally I'm loathe to mess with factory settings,
but I'd prefer just a skosh less pull force.
In your experience, what is a reasonable minimum
fractional turn of the adjustment to get a detectable
change in pressure?
BTW: From the way the safety seems to work, is it
safe to assume that changing the trigger pull force
will not increase the risk of accidental discharge
when releasing the safety?
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In Reply to: whats the best Pointed Pellet??? nt.... posted by steve on August 26, 2000 at 16:33:40:
Domes. Pointed pellets don't penetrate better, and are far less accurate. I have tested pointed against domes and hollow points. You don't really want them.
My best advise.
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: Re: Confused posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 14:19:08:
Cody,
Click on link below for the archives. You can also click on "The Airgun Resources" link at top of page if you just want from 1 to 7 days.
The archives will be downloaded to your hard drive as text files. The threaded links will be lost but notice the message numbers in the files and use the search feature to locate them.
Art
My Dad just got me a new R7 and we enjoyed it very much for the past month or so. Wev'e shot at least 1000 rounds so I'd say it's pretty well broken in. I had a question about a banging sound it's made. It has only done this twice but when it does happen, the pellet will get stuck in the barrel. I loaded the gun like every other time I do, and made sure that the barrel was closed like always and it happened twice. I'm stumped. Please help. Thanks
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In Reply to: Do it today posted by Ralph on August 26, 2000 at 15:03:30:
I've long held that the majority of non-voters are
"middle-class" and up. I believe that there is a
move among some states to permit voting via the
web. Call me crazy, but when that finally happens,
there will be a major shift in politics. Should
be interesting.
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In Reply to: Field Target Rifle Recommendations posted by Slick on August 26, 2000 at 13:32:34:
I've got a real nice R11 for sale. Setup and ready to go.
Brian
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In Reply to: Cody Dotter posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 07:20:41:
a QB-78 in .22 cal, a scope, some CO2, and pellets for $100 and start having fun.
You keep looking for magnum guns that weigh a ton, are hard to cock, or cost a small fortune.
I know that you've been following the forum faithfully, so you should have seen a lot of posts on the QB-78 and all of the fun modifications that have been done on it.
Save up $100 and start having fun!
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In Reply to: Re: Field Target Rifle Recommendations posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 26, 2000 at 14:07:23:
on the JW. the JW50-60 are made for FT the JW80 is 27-33ft lbs so it can really do nasty stuff to a ft target..if you get a jw80 get a restrictor the restrictor will slow it to 800ish making it a better FT gun and make it a 177cal gun..i have never seen a co2 FT gun..yet
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In Reply to: .177, mboyle... posted by jake on August 26, 2000 at 16:53:22:
then CPs, and FTS. and maybe kodiaks but they might be to Heavy. CPs have lites and Heavys i think they are a better choice for the P1
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In Reply to: Re: whats the best Pointed Pellet??? nt.... posted by Happy Gardener on August 26, 2000 at 16:52:29:
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In Reply to: Re: Q about varmint shooting... posted by M Boyle on August 26, 2000 at 16:50:48:
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In Reply to: whats the best Pointed Pellet??? nt.... posted by steve on August 26, 2000 at 16:33:40:
Beeman Silver Arrow. Less velocity loss due to air drag. Has very good penetration characteristics, smashes thru plywood with huge holes in back of sheet. Kind of expensive however.
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In Reply to: Q about varmint shooting... posted by jake on August 26, 2000 at 16:40:52:
what cal? the fts works well in my P1..pointed id stay away from H-points are a big waste in that gun (i know from fact on that) they wont expand in 5mm in birds much..now i only tryed silver bears at the time..so the rws H-points may work better..crowMags are too thick an H-point and im thinking they work about as bad as the silver bears.
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Does anyone have a current E Mail or Web Site address for Chrony. I ordered some spare parts from them over a month ago using visa, have not received the parts althoughcard has been debited, and get "not available" message when trying to access their Web Site. Are they still around ? if so, what is their current E Mail and Web Site address ? Thanks, Vic Thompson.
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In Reply to: Airgun of the Week/Collectors Corner idea posted by RBest on August 24, 2000 at 23:15:49:
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In Reply to: Ivory soap? Just might work! Whad-a-ya think Mike? posted by Willey M on August 26, 2000 at 16:40:08:
im not MP but, if it goes through 3 bars of Ivory "at range you will hit the treerat" im bettin it will work fine
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In Reply to: Re: How to obtain a blood lead test, candle wick lead answers posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:00:25:
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what kind of pellet is best pointed, wadcutter, or hollowpoint for varmint shooting??
which brand/pellet has the most penetration with a Beeman P1??
thanks...
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In Reply to: whats the best Pointed Pellet??? nt.... posted by steve on August 26, 2000 at 16:33:40:
a round headed, is the best pointed pellet. i know it sounds snippy.
you see points on pellets can get mashed or bent. making them cork screw in air. so the groups are never going to be as good as a kodiak, CP, ramjet, or fts. pointed pellets have less then have the BC of almost any domed pellet..kodiaks and CPs are 0.035-0.040..pointed range from 0.013 to 0.018ish
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In Reply to: Mr P posted by Quack on August 26, 2000 at 15:56:03:
Quack, you just uttered the mating call of the Northern Sudsbellied Ivory Whacker! However, he possibly might tell you to check the archives. Most of the MP Ivory Chronicles are there and will answer the most anal questions you can imagine regarding terminal ballistics...Willey M
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In Reply to: Re: How to obtain a blood lead test, candle wick lead answers posted by M Boyle on August 26, 2000 at 15:45:06:
All in fun. No problems.
You can certainly still sue the doctors, you just can't sue the HMO (well sometimes). I hate to say I frequently think about being sued. The smarter and better doctors know that communication and being the best are good protections from lawsuits. I agree that the Doc-in-the-boxes are horrible for routine well care, but for the occasional very simple urgency, they are acceptable (not always and particularly bad for kids in most cases).
In Reply to: For hunting I agree with Bryan posted by Hawley on August 26, 2000 at 16:22:05:
Hawley: with a centerfire, the rangefinding isn't all that critical, so it hardly counts, Even when I'm not hunting (99% of the time) the ability to rangefind decently with an airgun is a given, as I'm not a 10M shooter. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Aeron CP-96 what a blast!!!!! posted by Slick on August 26, 2000 at 13:37:01:
....I don't dislike all CO2 guns. I own the single-shot Aeron B4 Chameleon in .22" caliber.
I bought it because it's 1.5 times as powerful and $200 CDN less than the B96. I would still love to try the B96 though.
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In Reply to: roanoke gun show posted by scott on August 26, 2000 at 15:43:59:
I made a CDROM of hundreds of pictures and about 45 minutes of video of last years Roanoke Airgun show. The link to details about the CDROM are on my web site. The page contains the entire contents of the CDROM. The links to detailed pictures and video does not work right now, but some pictures are there, as well as some from the previous years Winston Salem Show. If your close, I would not miss it for the world. Many guns you will never see anywhere else and some great bargains.
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In Reply to: Re: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by Quack on August 26, 2000 at 16:19:55:
Paul: Same way here. We've had a pretty wet summer, compared to past years, and the mosquitos are out in force. I think I gave a pint of blood today- the Red Cross is gonna be pissed! RB
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In Reply to: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:09:17:
The thing about skeeter' bites is the ITCHING! When ever I have to set and shoot and just let that skeeter' bite and inject that toxin while I'm trying for a one holer, man those always really ITCH. Later on, you try and ignore the ITCHING but you can't? Know what I mean, Russ?...happy SCRATCHING!.....Willey M
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In Reply to: Re: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by Bryan Targett on August 26, 2000 at 12:45:39:
First of all, let me say I NEVER hunt with any of my airguns. Actually I don't even use my rimfires. I tend to only take out varmints and those are mainly groundhogs. I have this thing about 1 shot kills or no shot at all. Hence I tend to only use centerfire rifles and with those I have found either a 6X or variable that will allow me in the 3-9X to be the best. I have missed many an opportunity walking out to target shot with a big Hakko on my rig. By the time I could find the silly groundhog it was long gone.
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In Reply to: Dang skeeters are killin' me today! posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:09:17:
They are really bad in Michigan too Russ, we have had large amounts of rain compared to the last 3 years. Isn't it just fun! haha Later
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: Official Declaration. " PCP and CO2 Day " posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 13:36:14:
It was out in Kirkersville also! At least it was "Career Day".
A moment of silince for the foolish feathered pest who attempted to stop a .20 CP with his head at 50 yards. And the other two avian pests which fell at shorter ranges.
Saw two fox squirrels playing in range....but not in season. Either or both would have been easy prey for the Career II.
Tomorrow I return to those woods.
Jack
In Reply to: Re: Mr P posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 16:02:59:
I know Russ, but Mike has already done this and documented it. I'm just playin around with some numbers to see what I can expect when I get out in the field. Thanks for the responce.
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: Help finding the IZH-61 posted by Daniel on August 26, 2000 at 12:09:15:
Daniel: The URL below is one of several very good web sites for this gun. Enjoy...
HTH - Steve B.
In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
Randy, I think most of these guys have been to your site and realize you take game and pests very precisly with a 3-9. I would wager you hunt more than you plink, like only 50% or less of the folks I see post here. Some of us don't cotton to the plink word, so we call our selves "Informal Target Shooters"!
If I did nothing but hunt that 3-9 would serve me well. When I hunt (rarely anymore) I use 6-9 of my 4-12. So the other 98% of my shooting is aiming at something 50-100 yds away to see if it blows up or rips. At 12x I can barely hold steady on a 2" target off hand at 50yds.
Another observation is all the plinkers and hunters that routinely rest their guns. If this is the case, 24X would really come in handy!...Willey M
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In Reply to: Who Recalls posted by Quack on August 26, 2000 at 12:16:49:
Officially it's the #410 for the 140. Both the #457 and #459 fit the 13xx guns and both the 140 and the 13xx'er have the same barrel diameter so they should work. NOTE: I haven't tried this.
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: Better pellets, better groups ? posted by Al on August 26, 2000 at 09:58:43:
for the most part, that statement is true. but as all of us have said, its not just the gun. its the pellets, the shooter, and other thangs. physics of all those movin parts.come in to play too. i bet somwhere on gods green earth, there is a person, who gets great groups with with pellets that look like chewing gum..there are 5 billion+ on earth you know ;)
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In Reply to: Aeron CP-96 what a blast!!!!! posted by Slick on August 26, 2000 at 13:37:01:
Slick, Welcome to the world of fun/gun shooting.
Yes, you'll need lots of pellets and Co2 when you join this group of Areon owners.
Last month I said owning one of these was more fun than a barrel of monkeys!
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In Reply to: Any word on the Worlds? posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 12:52:22:
Last I heard- Ray was still talking... LOL RB
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The area I;m shooting from is now shaded, and I ran out of Cutters® just doing my ankles! Hope to heck I don't get that West Nile nonsense, as this area is loaded with carrying birds. I may have to curb activities today, as I'm already all bitten up. Bitten in CT--- Russ
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
I agree with you. My shorty 1.5 X scope is all I need for 100 feet shots. The big scopes just add weight, as if we need any more weight on a heavy airgun?
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In Reply to: Mr P posted by Quack on August 26, 2000 at 15:56:03:
Paul: you can always get some meat scraps and a little bone, then wrap them in plastic wrap as a test. Won't be half as gross as an 'autopsy'. RB
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In Reply to: Daisy Model 99 posted by Whiteleather on August 26, 2000 at 10:10:12:
Kris: From the sound of the problem, oil isn't going to help. You probably need to tear it down and clean it out. What vintage is the 99 (50's,60's,70's etc)? Is it a repeater or single shot? Internal gravity feed or spring loaded (ala Model 25) inline magazine?
As far as power is concerned what ever a Red Ryder or Model 25 will do the 99 will do too. I found no limiter or detuning stuff in any of mine. They were just BB guns with target type sights and stocks. Two seals (the piston and the gas tube seal) are sticking together which is why your not getting any air behind the BB - this is common.
HTH - Steve B.
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In Reply to: How to obtain a blood lead test, candle wick lead answers posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 26, 2000 at 14:32:43:
Joe: Take pictures when she gets on the bus for the first time ! My youngest just graduated from HS in June, and the photo's of him standing in front of the bus on his very first day of school are precious. 13 years later, they can look at the photo's and say "I can't believe you made me wear THAT outfit to school!" he he Russ
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In Reply to: Red Dot MOA posted by David Bruce on August 26, 2000 at 01:09:22:
David at the range youd shoot a 1" MOA would make you nuts thats 1" at 100yrds 4 or 5 MOA would work better ..you could see that better
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A while back you had posted some information on test mediums and the amount of energy that it takes to completely penatrate a fox squirrels upper chest cavity. I recall the a number of 6 ft-lbs? My question is that for all calibers and what would be the good penetration test medium to mimic the chest of a fox squirrel. I was thinking along the lines of ivory soap, since thats what we use around here. Thanks in advance,
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: Re: How to obtain a blood lead test, candle wick lead answers posted by M Boyle on August 26, 2000 at 15:45:06:
Don't ever have to worry about suing doctors in the future, heck at this rate, you could probably end up suing the watch mfgr under strict liability for defectiveness, that watch should have stayed on the doctors wrists dammit!
Rx4TRBL
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In Reply to: Re: Official Declaration. " PCP and CO2 Day " posted by Roland on August 26, 2000 at 13:41:15:
Roland: I guess "del mejor" will do just fine. I'm the only one home right now! LOL RB
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In Reply to: How to obtain a blood lead test, candle wick lead answers posted by Joe Matusic, MD on August 26, 2000 at 14:32:43:
Doc N the Box. thats funny sorta. with HMOs the way they are, and trends. that might be all we will have soon. drive though Docs with paper hat saying, may i take yer order? making $5 an hr. yick!! dont want some guy workin on me thats only making $5 an hr. he might forget some thing.."where did i put my watch?" let see, i saw it when i did that operation on Mr, Boyle. OOP!! oh well he cant sue me now, as its against the law to sue docs.thanks to HMO pacs.some day this may happin to you.what was said here was both opinion and story, not insults are ment in anyway shape or form..Ironee (SP?)was more then intent
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Newcomer to this board and airguns. Got into airguns with a cheap chinese gun I bought at a gunshow. I shoot a lot of rifle at home but with a newborn sleeping I needed something quieter. Thought it was just to past the time but I enjoy airguns better than my target rifles now. To the point though, I am from NC and am going to the Roanoke show. Would like some info on the prices and what to look for and stuff to do in Va. Will be there fri. and sat. I have a lot of chinese guns(QB88's, b21, ts45); but would like a good gun that is not too expensive. I know those two do not go together, but hoped someone would recommend some good deals and where find them. was hoping for a TX200 or a tuned supermax. Off the point to respond to Ralph, amen! We must vote to gain our rights back. Airgunners are in real danger because the 2nd ad. does not cover them. Also, all of Clintons gun laws are working for their intended purpose. That is to pass laws restricting guns, fail to enforce those laws and then go back to the American soccer mom and say "look these laws are not working we need more laws". And slowly but surely your right of ownership is gone. Sorry for the long post. Hope to see some of you there. Scott
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In Reply to: Do it today posted by Ralph on August 26, 2000 at 15:03:30:
I agree, if you wan,t the tree huggers to win then do nothing
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In Reply to: Re: Do it today posted by Pepi on August 26, 2000 at 15:36:25:
Pepi: just contact your Registrar of Voters early as possible and have them ck. You may have to get on the voters list. RB
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Went back out a while ago and fired up the Spitfire .22 with the Swift 4x12x40 (676M)on board. This is a totally deadly combo. This gun seems to shoot both Premiers and BSA Excaliburs(set at 15 ft/lbs)equally well, the only difference being a slightly lower POI for the 15.4 grain(1 gram)Excaliburs).I picked out a blemish on the trunk of a Sumac tree(2+" diameter. After many shots, I managed to cut it down. not as fast as a chainsaw, it's certainly a lot more fun! I'm continually impressed with the quality of Swifts optics, and I'm convinced that there is a revolution in the making as far as airgun scopes go. Swifts' (and Marty's) efforts are to appreciated by all. BTW, the Sumac trunk is 23 yards away according to the scope. Take that reading to the bank. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Do it today posted by Ralph on August 26, 2000 at 15:03:30:
Hi Ralph:
I hate to admit it but I've not voted for years.. I've just got tried of all the political bulls@#t. This years election I want to vote. My question.... can I vote in Nov. since I've not voted in 5 years? I was thinking you have to vote in the primary to be able to vote.
Thanks
Pepi
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In Reply to: Re: New Huntsman- PCP is awesome posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:07:25:
I don't know How fast it is yet for that matter I don't really care
It shoots beautiful not too noisy.
It is the super deluxe but they put the regular walnut stock on it for me
I shoot just as good with either hand so I didn't want the thumbhole stock
Mike G
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In Reply to: Or get slapped around by a 460 Weatherby!! NT posted by bcd on August 26, 2000 at 13:54:49:
Or a 10 gauge shotgun with max shot and powder load. ;o)
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In Reply to: CO2 leakage posted by Bob D. on August 26, 2000 at 13:41:57:
Apply a drop of Pellgunoil ( or straight 30W motor oil) to the tip of each cart. If that doesn't do it- it needs servicing. RB
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In Reply to: Do it today posted by Ralph on August 26, 2000 at 15:03:30:
Ra;ph: it's Saturday- the town halls are closed (but I get your drift) :>) Russ
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Register to vote today, if you don't vote, it's a vote for the other side. Enough laws, in Illinois .22 cal. pellet guns ARE fire arms. We don't want the U.S. to turn into Canada.
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In Reply to: Re: " Lock tight?Will I be able to unscrew them for future adjustments,etc.? " posted by Roland Martens on August 26, 2000 at 13:35:57:
shim it up with something.
try Burris rim fire mounts (-/+ .020 eccentrics) with recoil stops & interposer between mounts
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In Reply to: Re: anyone own a daisy 888 sporter 3 position? posted by James McAllister on August 26, 2000 at 13:08:29:
Forgot to say Pete that some of the little guys in our local 4H chapter have a little trouble cocking the Daisy 753/853 in any position. James.
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
Randy:
I'm with Marty. We shoot small things at long distances. Close in, we can turn it down.
Sloop
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In Reply to: How Do You Know It's Broken ? (SCOPES) posted by RON on August 26, 2000 at 13:12:30:
Compare the focus ring distance indicator and power setting to a known target distance: the focus ring will shift require re-adjustment after each shot for parallax correction.
If Point of Impact (POI) constant shifts in one direction or jumps erratically about the Point of Aim (POA), nothing loose on the rifle or mounts, and you normally shoot a tighter group, then suspect a broke scope.
With a reflection boresighter, one can tap the turrets/case and see a vibrating reticle if loose.
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In Reply to: what is the maximum ft/lbs the Benjamin Sheridan 392 can do without modification? nt posted by pumper on August 26, 2000 at 11:32:13:
Here are some results I get with my stock 392:
Crosman Premium 14.3 gr @ average of 653 fps = 13.54 fp
Daisy Pointed F.T. 15.5 gr @ average of 642 fps = 14.18 fp
RWS Hobbys 11.9 gr @ average of 672 fps = 11.87 fp
RWS Superdome 13.4 @ average of 638 fps = 12.1 fp
Marksman FTS 15.0 gr @ average of 635 fps = 13.4 fp
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In Reply to: PCP Adapter Idiocy posted by Charlie on August 25, 2000 at 22:32:33:
Charlie:
I'm with you on how crazy it is to not standardize fill assemblies. I'm in the same boat, too. Just recieved a Falcon that has a female quick connect fitting on the probe. Problem is I have the female fitting on my Mac-1 adapted guage and pump, so I can't fill or shoot till I get the male fitting on the probe.
I really like the Mac-1 setup, as I have filled a career, BSA S-10, and Stealth all with the same assemblies, just pop in the probe for each gun. Don't need more than one guage. Sending my Falcon probe in today to get the new male fitting.
If nothing else, an airgun hobby can teach you patience.
Sloop
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I am eagerly anticipating the winning score by my friend Rick McAllister and or a tie with DaveG. Of course this is Saturday. Hey Rick, Please e-mail me at home (Aileen_l@msn.com). I have completed one of the projects we talked about and it came out perfect.
Any lab work must be ordered by a doctor as the result must be interpreted for your individual circumstances. The test is called a blood lead level or blood lead screen. An order can be obtained by simply calling your regular doctor and he / she would probably just say "yeah come in anytime". If you don't have a regular physician, then GET ONE or go to your local doc-in-the-box (Health plus / Doctors Urgent Care, etc). The current cost ranges from $30-$55, but may be covered by insurance. Make sure to tell the billing person or the doctor to add "Exposure to Lead" on the billing slip. There is a CPT code for this that will trigger the insurance to pay for the test. If that code isn't there, then the insurance will wonder why the test was ordered and deny it.
As far as the wire wicks in the candles: the best information I can obtain says that all wire in candle wicks contain lead. you could probably go to your local home supply place, go to the safety section and get some of those wipes that changes color when exposed to lead and wipe them on the wire.
Incidentally, I have taken the week off to be with my daughter in her last days before starting Kindergarten. If you e-mail me, then post something here and I will check it, else I won't see it until Sept 1. Or e-mail me at Aileen_l@msn.com (home e-mail)
In Reply to: Official Declaration. " PCP and CO2 Day " posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 13:36:14:
Conditions at 8 am were overcast, slight breath of wind and lower 80's. Took my fairly stock 2250 out to test groups before I install Bulk's alum. breech. Shot several groups with Tasco Mini-mag, 5 MOA dot and was pleasantly supprised. At thirty yds. had 1 1/2", 1 1/4", and finaly a group measuring exactly 1 inch. I've got to mount my Trophy on this thing just once to see what it could actually do!...Willey M
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In Reply to: Re: Thanks and more...... posted by JRW on August 25, 2000 at 18:47:00:
Any lab work must be ordered by a doctor as the result must be interpreted for your individual circumstances. The test is called a blood lead level or blood lead screen. An order can be obtained by simply calling your regular doctor and he / she would probably just say "yeah come in anytime". If you don't have a regular physician, then GET ONE or go to your local doc-in-the-box (Health plus / Doctors Urgent Care, etc). The current cost ranges from $30-$55, but may be covered by insurance. Make sure to tell the billing person or the doctor to add "Exposure to Lead" on the billing slip. There is a CPT code for this that will trigger the insurance to pay for the test. If that code isn't there, then the insurance will wonder why the test was ordered and deny it.
As far as the wire wicks in the candles: the best information I can obtain says that all wire in candle wicks contain lead. you could probably go to your local home supply place, go to the safety section and get some of those wipes that changes color when exposed to lead and wipe them on the wire.
Incidentally, I have taken the week off to be with my daughter in her last days before starting Kindergarten. If you e-mail me, then post something here and I will check it, else I won't see it until Sept 1. Or e-mail me at Aileen_l@msn.com (home e-mail)
In Reply to: Re: Confused posted by Lew on August 26, 2000 at 14:03:38:
I'm 11 years old. Any way, what are archives? And where are they? I am serious. No need to be SORRY ethier. You didn't do anything to be sorry for.
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In Reply to: AirArms 10m match pistol?????? saw one at gunshop.... posted by parisifal on August 26, 2000 at 00:33:46:
I have no record of Air Arms making such a gun in my reference library. There are an enourmous number of match pistols out there. As far as side cocking with great grips, you may have seen the Daisy 777 or possibly a Chinese copy of the FWB65 (known as the SS-2 I beleive). Could you write down all of the markings possible and post again and I will look up what I can. Also note whether the rear sight adjustment appears very refined or basic.
In Reply to: Re: weihrauch posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 13:40:20:
I was using the fps that Beeman claims for purposes of comparison between the older and newer versions of the gun. Those velocities would be based on a very light pellet. Based on the fps results I've seen, the CP lites seem to go about 60-100 fps slower than the manufacturs top-claimed velocities, so the 860 you've measured in your HW97C would be in line with that. AC
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In Reply to: Help finding the IZH-61 posted by Daniel on August 26, 2000 at 12:09:15:
You can see some information about the IZH-61 at the Baikal site. Go to the web link part of this web site, then search for Baikal. Baikal is the Russian manufacturer. You can also find numerous articles linked from this forum on the IZH-61, from teardown procedure to modification. The IZH-61 is amongst the most talked about gun at this forum.
In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
I use my scope on 7X in the field but it,s nice to use 18X to spot hits for another shoter or for myself at times. I think that the price verses quality of high power scopes has really improved in the last 10 years or so also.
John S
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
I use my scope on 7X in the field but it,s nice to use 8X to spot hits for another shoter or for myself at times. I think that the price verses quality of high power scopes has really improved in the last 10 years or so also.
John S
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In Reply to: Official Declaration. " PCP and CO2 Day " posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 13:36:14:
Sun shinin aprox 78 deg wind blown like hell though. Back in doors again.
Later Whitewolf
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In Reply to: Field Target Rifle Recommendations posted by Slick on August 26, 2000 at 13:32:34:
Everyone seems to go with .177 caliber for the flattest tragectory. Most also go with 24x and above scopes for the best range finding. Many recommend 32-36x. As far as gun, the is spring then PCP or Co2. The best springer for the money appears to be the TX200, but if you have enough money a whiscombe is very desireable. As far as PCP, there are a number of offerings from most of the Daystates (Mirage up to the CRX), Airarms protarget, Superten, on up to the FT P70 and ZM2002.
A budget would be a place to start. On the other hand if you get good at a TX200 springer, then you can compete with the big boys when you move up to a PCP.
In Reply to: Re: Confused posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 11:15:50:
Cody: I think you are far more experienced and probably older than you let the people on the Forum believe. Reading your past Posts and in between the lines you certainly like to get atention and you know what you are doing. You really get the ball rolling. Why don't you just read the Archives? You have all the answers. But you already know that.
Anyway If IF I am wrong in judging you then I AM SORRY.
I just had to get this off my chest.
Lew
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In Reply to: Did someone have stocks for sale for a Sheridan SuperGrade? ( or am I just dreamin " ) thx allnt posted by CBrown on August 25, 2000 at 21:08:52:
CB - Call Tim at (570) 226-0596. hth
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In Reply to: Re: Favorite Target! posted by Swinson on August 26, 2000 at 00:49:53:
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In Reply to: Re: New Huntsman- PCP is awesome posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:07:25:
Randy,
One of these days you are gonna just have to bite the bullet....er "pellet" and get something lol.
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: Wanna learn a flinch? Try a flintlock.nt posted by Joe Whittaker on August 26, 2000 at 12:41:18:
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In Reply to: Crosman 130/1300 posted by Lon on August 26, 2000 at 11:03:16:
The 130 was a .22 that used a blow off type valve (trigger held a cap over the compresion chamber) Most were made with a steel pump handle. I believe the 1300 was the first to used the plastic forend like the present 1377.
I'm not sure whether the valve is a striker type or not.
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In Reply to: Official Declaration. " PCP and CO2 Day " posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 13:36:14:
But it could be worse. No critters out, at least none seen yet today.
At least it is not blazing hot. A common occurance here in Missouri in August. Rain just stopped, so I guess I will play with the Career .25 and final sight in with the 6-24x for awhile, guess it is time to get some excersize with the Axsor pump lol.
Marty
SSSports
In Reply to: Need expert advise posted by Mikey on August 26, 2000 at 10:19:11:
If you could get it cheap enough I'd say fine, if you are buying new
from a dealer I wouldn't bother. I had one years ago and although it
was very accurate I felt the quality was a little low. For example in
Canada I can buy a Diana 34 for $345 CDN, a Webley Vulcan for $326 CDN
and a Weirauch 80 for $490 CDN. In my opinion the Diana is the lowest
quality, plastic trigger, plastic sights, plastic buttcap, poor styling
and very plain stock, not to mention the .22 I had did 650 fps with CPs
(advertised 800 fps). Personally the Diana 34 is the last break-barrel
I would buy. I'd opt for something like a Weirauch 95K (Beeman R9) or
a Webley Vulcan/Vulcan Carbine.
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
Randy, because a lot of us use high power PCP's for hunting. They have the easy capability of taking game humanely out at 70-100 yards. Things the size of a Squirrels head get mighty small out that far.
The difference between shot placement at 70 yards and beyond with a 18x or 24x scope is vast. With a 9x at that yardage you cover the entire head with even fine crosshairs, with a 24x you pick the eye the ear, behind the ear ect precisely.
And with a range of 6-24x you always have a choice for close in work, wider field of view for aquisiston of the target. I will admit the one drawback is the increased weight.
Just my opinion, I like em. I wouldn't put a 24x on something low powered, as it doesn't make good sense. But for something like a Career, a Daystate huntsman, or the other high power PCP's the higer power is most definetely usable to the full degree.
Marty
SSSports
PS just mounted the 6-24x on my .25 Career, love it.
I am a new co2 pistol owner. I have a Gamo p-23. It worked fine for a while but now every time I put a CO2 cartridge in it leaks away on me. Is this a common problem? Is there a fix for it? Can I dip the ends of the cartridges in Form-a-Gasket or something simmilar?.
Thank you in advance for any help and advice.
Bob
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In Reply to: Official Declaration. " PCP and CO2 Day " posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 13:36:14:
¿De los mejores o del mejor?
Nail that papercoup bottoms!
Roland
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In Reply to: Re: weihrauch posted by AC on August 26, 2000 at 13:37:06:
My new -97 Commemorative (same internals as the -77) is shooting CP lites at 860 fps. It may get near 930 with some fairly light pellets. RB
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In Reply to: Career vs Savor 7000 posted by Reeder on August 26, 2000 at 08:30:14:
Go for the Career in .22 Call tim at Mac-1 for the best deal. He will modify it so you can have 10 or more power settings. The Career is a much better rifle.
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In Reply to: weihrauch posted by JOHN DNNELLY on August 26, 2000 at 13:12:45:
I know enough about this to be dangerous. But the literature on the HW 77 talks about it being reintroduced with a signicant power upgrade. I think the older one was rated at 800 fps with the newer rated at 930 fps. Both the older and newer versions are purported to be well-built and have excellent accuracy. If I were buying one, I'd want to know which version it was and determine how important the upgrades were to me.
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Just bought a CP-96 semi-auto pistol, what a blast to shoot. It's quite accurate with single hole groups at 10 meters. Glad I stocked up at MAC1's whole-lotta lead sale on co2 and pellets.
Regards, Slick
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I have declared today as "PCP and CO2 Day" at la Hacienda de los Mejores(the Best ranch). I've been out shooting the Spitfire and the QB-22LB (from Mac-1) and at 85 degrees and bright sun, it's a perfect day for it. The QB is launching .22 CP's at 725 fps with superb accuracy and has slain targets out to 63 yards so far today. The Spitfire is up next (I came in for a cold drink and a few postings). I hope the sun is shining were you are too! Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: " Lock tight?Will I be able to unscrew them for future adjustments,etc.? " posted by Myopic_shooter on August 26, 2000 at 12:02:06:
The problem are not the screws but the raised rear block. The recoil excerts a leverage action on the scope with the pivot point on the front block, pushing the rear block down. No matter how firmly you tighten the screws or if they don't move at all, there are temp changes and recoil after recoil, the block will go down. I'm talking about 3000 shots here. Maybe this bothers nobody.
Roland
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I'm getting into field target shooting and would like recommedations and experiences with various rifles/scopes and calibers.
Regards, Slick
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In Reply to: hey Russ, vs Savor 7000 posted by pilkguns on August 26, 2000 at 13:22:21:
Scott: I'm about to do a similar mod to mine, plus do the ATeam trigger mod using a modified Career kit. How much you asking for it- if I may be so nosey. RB
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In Reply to: " after 5000 shots my poi begun raising a bit. I know it's the mount " posted by Spring_Change on August 26, 2000 at 10:40:33:
Constant mv (chronoed). Also important...The POI raised not only at LR (80 Yds) but also at 10 Yds. A change in MV would affect the LR POI but almost not the POI at 10 Yds.
I'm gonna put some Info and dwgs on my URL tomorrow.
Roland
In Reply to: Probably the most decent would be the Beeeman P-1. posted by KAC on August 26, 2000 at 04:35:08:
I'd second that for spring. You can easily find more power in CO2's and the same or better accuracy for less money.
Regards, Slick
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In Reply to: Re: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by Bryan Targett on August 26, 2000 at 12:45:39:
Bryan: here in the 'wide open spaces' of the USA, we tend to stretch the envelope of airgun abilities with the FAC power models. The higher mag scopes allow for the precise rangefinding needed to brain a ground squirrel at 70 yards. I was just outside shooting the bottom out of an 8 oz. paper cup at a measured 63 yards with a custom co2 rifle that shoots CP 14.3's at 725 fps. I love these bright, sunny 85 degree days ! Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Question for you mock-automatic CO2 pistol guys.... posted by Fearon Steele on August 26, 2000 at 03:36:14:
I just purchased the Aeron CP-96 from FSI ,AGE sells it too. It isn't a mock pistol look-a-like. It is accurate single hole groups at 10 Meters and shoots 5 shots as fast as you can pull the trigger.
I'm impressed with it and love the semi-auto action. It gives a muzzle vel of 420fps with H&N's and gives 70 - 80 shots per 12 gram CO2 cartridge.
Regards, Slick
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In Reply to: Re: Career vs Savor 7000 posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 09:49:43:
Hmmm my Saver has an infinately adjustable power wheel, and I would liketo sell it if anybody eeds one
In Reply to: Re: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by Bryan Targett on August 26, 2000 at 12:45:39:
That's right, but with higher mag (variable) you can have the advantages of a low mag scope for hunting, fast target acquisition and on the other side, you'll be able to hit a pellet size hole at 30 Yds.
Roland
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In Reply to: weihrauch posted by JOHN DNNELLY on August 26, 2000 at 13:12:45:
If the rifle isn't beat up- it's a good deal ! RB
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In Reply to: Re: Looking for opinions for Magnum Air Rifle posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 21:07:08:
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In Reply to: Re: Gamo P-23: pellet drop? posted by Catdog on August 26, 2000 at 13:09:24:
Btw the 357 with the 6inch barrell is 420 fps and will not drop at 10m.
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PLEASE HELP
I have the chance to buy a WEIHRAUCH HW77 rifle with telescopic sights model 4*40 wide angle in good condition for £150 is this a good buy or should i look for a newer one.If so what do you recommend.And is it or was it one of the best
rifles there is ,because the barrel dosn't bend
dose this mean its better than those that do.
THANK YOU FOR ANY ADVICE
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I have a Bushnell Trophy on my TX200 SR. Aside from obovious "gross" off center shooting errors, How can you tell when your scope is gronked? I found that when I would make small adjustments after the initial "zeroing in" of my scope, it seemed to be shooting quite a bit off center. Is this a symptom that something may be wrong?
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In Reply to: Gamo P-23: pellet drop? posted by TK on August 26, 2000 at 10:32:13:
I have one and its a neat looker but not very accurate and you have to shoot bbs in it as the lead rounds tend to hang up alot.For that price range i would have to say the new crosman 357 with the rugger grips,its alot more accurate and has a 10 round cylinder that wont hang up.The new grip design also hides the co2 (no more hand screw hanging out the bottom)and is very comfortable,dont know where you live but our walmarts here in Tn have them already.Another neet gun i have gotten recently is the Daisy 400gx (Desert Eagle lookalike)but you have to order it direct from Daisy as none of the department stores will carry that model.Later
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In Reply to: anyone own a daisy 888 sporter 3 position? posted by Little Pete on August 26, 2000 at 09:27:55:
Pete: The Daisy 888 would be a very good choice for a three pos. rifle. You don't have any problem cocking it in the prone pos. The bulk fill gives a lot more shots between fillings than 12gm powerlets but you would have to have asource of bulk CO2. you should also consider the Crosman 2000. From what I have learned I would prefer the rear sight of the Crosman. The Crosman uses the 12 gm powerlet. James
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In Reply to: After all the mechanics are in place, it is ultimately a mind game. nt. posted by acet on August 25, 2000 at 19:07:45:
i woud say it's like 90% head game! i aint a verry big fella but i outschoot most off my larger built friends. but to get the head working the right way there is jut one thing to do, praktice! tons (or atleast tins!;^)...) off it
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In Reply to: Need expert advise posted by Mikey on August 26, 2000 at 10:19:11:
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
Randy,
I use my 20X scope to range find so I know how much hold-over I should use.
kimchi
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Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: Re: weihrauch what's the model????? posted by Douglas on August 24, 2000 at 16:17:00:
This is all the info i have.WEIHRAUCH HW77 22/5.5MM with telescopic sights model 12 original
wide angle 4*40
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
I'm with you Randy,although I am wanting a higher mag scope for my TX. I'm thinking about selling my 44Mag and replacing it with a Swift 4-12 or a
good 3-9 on my QB-77. It's just way to much scope for plinking and yard pest removel.
Joe W.
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
Because I want to count the cells on the hairs on a squirrel!
Me I like high power scopes because airguns are so precise that that magnification makes a nifty bit of difference when plinking. For example, ant at 25 yards are resonable targets, a small rock at 45 yards is an acheiveable target. I like to shoot the smallest targets I can at the furtherest distances I can, this can only be done with high mag scopes.
Sure you can hit army men at 30 yards with a 9x but isn't it more fun to shoot the gun out of his hand at 20x?
Regards,
Craig
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In Reply to: High magnification scopes. Why? posted by RGunn on August 26, 2000 at 12:36:12:
I agree entirely,you don't, 6 mag is large enough for all air gun quarry, A really good 6 or 3-9x scope makes target acquisition straightforward. My personal opinion is that persons who use these very high mag. scopes never actually hunt, they would sure change to a small mag if they did.
Bryan
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In Reply to: Need expert advise posted by Mikey on August 26, 2000 at 10:19:11:
I have the 34 in .22 cal & find it to be a lot of fun to shoot. Not an elephant gun, but pretty dependable & accurate. The triggers on RWS airguns aren't as good as some, but they will adjust down to some degree. I did put a Maccari GSI spring kit in my 34 to cut down on the spring twang & recoil, which did help improve the accuracy some. Mine does not like the RWS Super H-Point pellets for accuracy, but it just loves the Super Domes. Have fun with it!!! Have a good one!
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In Reply to: R1 FP? posted by José M on August 25, 2000 at 21:31:13:
I have an R1 .22 cal. that AAA Sporting Goods installed a Venom Mag Laza 80 kit in (with the special piston that incorporates the use of synthetic bearings)and although it is not in the 25 FP range it will approach 22-23 FP depending on pellets. Very powerful, strong, and extraordinarily smooth.
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In Reply to: Picking Chinese Rifles posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 25, 2000 at 22:42:41:
I don't really want a co2 rifle. Can't someone learn to shoot a springer consistently? All I needed to know is which is more accurate.
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In Reply to: Re: R1 FP? posted by Roland Martens on August 26, 2000 at 08:07:29:
Recoil is not a must if you know what you are doing. That's why I payed $250 for the tune and I got what I paid for. It has less recoil than an R-9.
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In Reply to: Re: Its that easy... posted by Dave N on August 26, 2000 at 08:21:58:
nt
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In Reply to: Re: Are you firmiliar with posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 11:48:29:
Guys:
Try the Bushnell home page, download the catalogs in .PDF format and compare by yourself. Then you'll be informed up to some degree and will be able to ask for specific things you still don't understand or would like to know. The Internet is a vast source of information.
Kind regards
Roland
In Reply to: Re: Its that easy... posted by Uncle Gary on August 26, 2000 at 00:59:27:
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Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how airgunners seem to prefer very high magnification scopes?
I understand why Field Target shooters need the higher magnification, but why do hunters, and plinkers?
Most airgunners are equipping their air rifles with scopes that are generally used for long, long, range firearm hunting/shooting.
My guess is the average airunner see's the FT guys using high magnification, and so follows that lead.
Lets face it, most airgun hunting shots are 50 yards or less. I can darn near count hairs on a squirrel with my 3X9 at 50 yards, so why would I want more magnification?
Please share your views on this subject. Thanks for the input.
Randy
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In Reply to: Hey guys, i saw that u have been handling some " i need a gun " post, but i'm getting a new gun, and am stuck.......... posted by BoOzE on August 26, 2000 at 11:31:00:
As Russ pointed out, 70 yards is a little bit of a reach for any springer, especially if you expect a clean kill. The airgun & caliber yo0u select will depend on what you intend to shoot at as well as the actual distance of the shot and pellet used. You need to decide on these things before anyone can make a meaningfull recommendation to help you out. Depending on your wants & needs, you may actually need more than one caliber. Gee, being told to buy more than one airgun! Who would have thunk it? ;-) Have a good one!
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In Reply to: How to burn up a piston seal posted by Jennifer on August 26, 2000 at 10:44:20:
It is important to use non oil based (flamable)lubes for your pellets when using them in spring piston type guns.Try a furniture polish with beeswax if possible. set the pellets up on their skirt and spray directly down on top of the pellet.
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In Reply to: Bushnell Scopes posted by BR on August 26, 2000 at 11:18:33:
I have had pretty good luck with the m on lower powered or recoiless rifles. try AAA Sporting Goods. THat is were I got mine.
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In Reply to: Question for you mock-automatic CO2 pistol guys.... posted by Fearon Steele on August 26, 2000 at 03:36:14:
The Makarov is ENTIRELY steel, except grip and seals - not machined from solid, though - many parts appear to be investment-cast. It's self-loading via clip, but must be thumb-cocked or else fired double-action. I bought one immediately when my magnet stuck to all the pieces.
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In Reply to: Help finding the IZH-61 posted by Daniel on August 26, 2000 at 12:09:15:
Daniel
Go to the link below. Joe Goulart at the Golden Toller will take care of you. You will deal with
a lot that are as good in this sport but none better.
IHS
Joe W.
In Reply to: Help finding the IZH-61 posted by Daniel on August 26, 2000 at 12:09:15:
Daniel,
Great decision. IHZ 61 is not a Crosman however, it is Russian made and superior quality.
You got a lot of good info the other day from very knowledgable people.
You've made a good choice. Try http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/goldentoller
And
http://www.greatlakesairguns.com
They should be able to help you.
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In Reply to: Is the new Bushnell Trophy 4-15x40AO springer rated? nt :) posted by Chris Farhi on August 25, 2000 at 20:42:59:
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In Reply to: Pellet Suppliers in NY posted by Whiteleather on August 25, 2000 at 23:38:33:
Try Great Lakes Airguns. Near Hamburg I believe. He carries BSA guns and other neat stuff too. If you are stuck there is always Walmart for Premiers.
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which of the Crosman Mtns that fit on a Crosman 140, is it the 457MT or 459MT? Thanks in advance,
Paul in MI
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In Reply to: Re: Its that easy... posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 00:03:51:
It has to do with age. All us older guys shoot springers well because we have lost our youthful strength. We no longer possess the ability to tightly grip a rifle. In this regard, aging, and letting yourself get out of shape works! :-)
"I need to improve my shooting skill, I think I'll go lay on the couch and eat chips". Hehehehe.
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Hi,
Some of you know me, I just posted my first letter on the forums yesterday. But for those of you who don't know me, I am an 11 year old boy from Upstate New York. My father and I have decided that I am ready for a AirRifle. At first I was thinking about a Daisy Model 840 Grizzly. But the replys to my post have really changed my mind to a Crosman IZH-60/61. If someone could post a direct link to an official IZH-60/61 site, it would be really appreciated, thanks!
Sincerely,
Daniel M.
I've looked all over the Web looking for it, but I can't seem to find it anywhere!
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In Reply to: Bushnell Scopes posted by BR on August 26, 2000 at 11:18:33:
I had the 3-9x32 on my RWS 54 .177 for 6 months or
so, and it survived -- although the wandering POI
might have had something to do with the scope.
It works fine on my QB77 now. I'll probably
replace it eventually with a Burris 4-12x32 or
Leupold 3-9x33 EFR.
Mike
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In Reply to: New Huntsman- PCP is awesome posted by Mike G on August 26, 2000 at 09:55:02:
Which model Huntsman did you purchase? What fpe are you getting with the 14.3 CP's? Thanks for the info.
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In Reply to: Crosman 130/1300 posted by Lon on August 26, 2000 at 11:03:16:
No they are not the same gun exactly. There was a progression and it started with the 130, then the 1300, and then the 1377/1322. There are other model designations pertaining to caliber and phases, but that is the basic idea. Hope this helps. Brent.
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In Reply to: I have B7 action in another rifle. Look harder at QB88. posted by Lloyd S. on August 26, 2000 at 11:40:24:
Lloyd, the QB88 is a terrific gun for the money spent- heck, it's a terrific gun all around (I think) for it's purpose. That being said, the velocity figures stated by Compasseco are typically way overinflated. The gun typically falls around the 600fps category. This is a plinking/target gun for sure, although also capable of short range small pest duty. I wouldn't try anything larger than starlings, sparrows, etc though - and well within thirty yds. The '88 does have a choked barrel, - the trigger is only vaguely 'adjustable', but wears in nicely and actually I like it. I do have an R9 with the R series trigger and this is not that, but it does wear to a smooth clean 'break'. To the ranges I've fired it (again, 25-30 yds) it is accurate, and with attention to checking and tightening stock screws periodically, proper lubrication of pivot points etc. it is a 'tight' sound gun.
The URL below has a link to probably the most comprehensive review I've found on this and some other Chinese guns. Check it out. I don't have any experience with the B-7, so i cannot compare them, but the 850fps is inaccurate. Still I agree with your overall thought of looking harder at this gun, despite the corrections - it's a great shooter, and well worth the price it can be had for.
Tim
In Reply to: Re: " too many screws to get loosen by recoil), and the rough inner side of the rings. " posted by JRW on August 26, 2000 at 11:01:30:
yes with service grade products
In Reply to: with which pellet? nt posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 11:49:51:
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In Reply to: Re: BSF posted by Fearon Steele on August 26, 2000 at 03:27:17:
Fearon-Yes I am interested in your BSF 55 but am concerned about shipping airgunsfrom Canada to US (You do live up north, dont you?
Anyway, yes i am interested is it a N55 with the walnut stock? If so what kind of condition is the stock and metal work? Is it grooved for a scope?
I have a few cheaper crossman pistols but dont have a 600 right now. Write me at my email address with details. Ive enjoyed reading your notes on the forum. What speed does iut shoot at with hobbies or light pellets? Does it have the original open sights? What is the price in canadian or us bucks, I have bank accounts both sides of the border.
Thansks for the response.
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
dlaw@cyberhighway.net
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In Reply to: Hey guys, i saw that u have been handling some " i need a gun " post, but i'm getting a new gun, and am stuck.......... posted by BoOzE on August 26, 2000 at 11:31:00:
70 yards is actually too far for most of these. Practice fieldcraft and try to get to 50 yards or less. If you want a 70 yard airgun, 30 ft/lbs or higher is very desirable. RB
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In Reply to: I have B7 action in another rifle. Look harder at QB88. posted by Lloyd S. on August 26, 2000 at 11:40:24:
"Mistake" about QB78 in earlier post might NOT really be mistake. I am looking at reviews about this Crosman copy -- Mac1 has only good things to say about potential for modification/upgrades and about accuracy.
Thing to remember with a springer is that it will ALWAYS be a challenge to shoot -- even when you figure out how. Reproducing strikes can be a painful and frustrating process. Gas guns are inherently more consistent within the limitations of the shooter's capabilities. I know that CO2 has bad rap, but it is still a consistent, reliable power source unless you take it out in really cold weather.
AuctionArms has QB78 for auction at $68.00 on occasion.
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In Reply to: Need expert advise posted by Mikey on August 26, 2000 at 10:19:11:
Mikey-Russ,is of course, right about hold sensitivity going to a springer, but the 34 does offer lots of power,realistical probably an honest 900fps in 177 while thy claim 1000. Plusthe springer gives you fast second shot capability instead of pumping up the benjy 6 times for a second shot.
I like the 34, not bad price andwhile not the quality of a R1 or Air Arms TX200, its lots cheaper also.
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addicte
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In Reply to: Re: what is the maximum ft/lbs the Benjamin Sheridan 392 can do without modification? nt posted by OT on August 26, 2000 at 11:46:38:
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In Reply to: Are you firmiliar with posted by BR on August 26, 2000 at 11:27:05:
IF that is the 4x12x40 Trophy, yes. RB
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In Reply to: what is the maximum ft/lbs the Benjamin Sheridan 392 can do without modification? nt posted by pumper on August 26, 2000 at 11:32:13:
13-14 fpe (calculations made with factory velocity tests)
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In Reply to: Air pistol reviews needed... posted by TK on August 26, 2000 at 10:42:30:
TK-I buy and sell used airgun mags and could provide you withBritish airgunreviews of some of the pistolsyu are considering. I charge$8 plus postage for the mags.
If you are interested let me know with a full list. Consider ordering three mags at a time as postage is $3.20 for three mags priority epost and I could sendo three mags for a special bulk price of $23 delivered in US.Write me to my email address if interested which is
Doug Law
Nevada Airgun Addict
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In Reply to: Air pistol reviews needed... posted by TK on August 26, 2000 at 10:42:30:
First, I don't know anything about the Daisy 45.
Aside from that, of the guns you listed, the 1322 is the unquestioned leader in the power department. I might even give it the lead in the accuracy arena as well. If you don't mind pumping it, it's not a bad gun. It's also fairly durable and not too hard to work on yourself. The sights aren't very good, and mounting a scope is something of a problem.
Of the guns you listed, I'd go with the 1322.
For better quality pump-ups, look at the Benjamin/Sheridan pistols.
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In Reply to: Picking Chinese Rifles posted by Tommy Sapiel on August 25, 2000 at 22:42:41:
I have the same action as the B7 in an XS-B3-1. (FunSupply says they're the same action) If so, look harder at the QB88. The B7 won't be anything to write home about. It is a low powered plinker.
According to Compasseco, QB88 has choked barrel, adjustable trigger and 850 ft/sec in .177. That is more than anyone would claim for the B7.
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First of all, breathe.......sorry 'bout the long subject. Accuracy, well nothing u suggest has bad accuracy, light max. 8 lbs. in .22/.20, smooth shooting, nice trigger. I'll be shooting at all ranges (up to 70 yrds.) 'cause i have a forest behind my home with lots o' critters. Everything points to the R1, R9, BSA SS, RWS 52/48, -blank space for your suggestion-
Thanx a bunch,
-BoOzE-
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In Reply to: Re: Bushnell Scopes posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 11:20:39:
model # 74-0412D 4x12x40? Does it also have both A.O. and Target Turrets?
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In Reply to: ZM 2002 posted by Ralp M. on August 26, 2000 at 10:19:39:
Here it goes: $2200 for laminated stock, $2300 for aluminum stock. $400 for palm rest/knee rest/weight assembly. I don't remember how much the hook was (probably about $100). Also Allen suggests Burris over other scopes. Burris R/A 8-32x44 will cost you $450 new, or $370 refurbished. I hope this helps.
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In Reply to: Re: Ever held any of the guns you're thinking about? posted by AC on August 26, 2000 at 11:16:28:
Just saw Russ's note below on R9 cocking pressure. If that's correct, you'd be wise to try an R9 out.
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In Reply to: Bushnell Scopes posted by BR on August 26, 2000 at 11:18:33:
yes it does have AO. Just make sure it's Bushnell model 79-0039. There are several Sportview models, and not all of them have AO. RB
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For inexpensive scopes for C02 guns several people have recommended the Sportview 3x9x32. This scope has target turrets I believe, but does it have A.O. lens? I understand that is a feature to look for in close range shots.
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In Reply to: Hmmm.... posted by John Sa. on August 26, 2000 at 11:08:11:
I'm not saying they inflated them. I'm saying that it's a mistake that has been passed around. That said, HW sets the barrel pivot tension too damned tight,add this to a bone dry detent latch, and initial effort to BREAK the barrel(not actual cocking) may be 40 lbs. This is easily rectified with a slight adjustment and some grease. The effort drops significantly when this is done. Any owner can do this in 90 seconds. Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Cody Dotter posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 07:20:41:
Cody, you've done a pretty good job reading the forum and learning about a number of guns. And I noticed you've been picking some pretty nice ones like the TX200 and RWS 54. However, have you ever had a chance to hold any of these guns, and better yet to cock and fire them? I'm 50 years old, and weigh over 200 lbs, and feel I can handle most any gun out there, but from an enjoyment standpoint, I frankly don't want to lug around a gun that weighs 9 lbs or more, and I'd really prefer not to have a cocking pressure over 35 lbs (my search has led me to the R11 which is a glorifed R9 with 33 lbs cocking pressure and a weight of 8.6 lbs - which is still on the heavy side). The R9 is great from a weight/accuracy standpoint, but does have a hard cocking pressure that you may not enjoy at your age. You're at a point now, where you've probably learned about as much as you can from reading and now need some first hand experience. You've received some good advice from others in the past, and would be well-served
by a pneumatic like a Benjamin Sheridan that is light weight, relatively easy to cock, reasonably priced, and pretty accurate. An R7 would also be an excellent candidate for someone your age (light and highly accurate, easy to cock although not as powerful). But if you continue to feel you need a top of the line springer, make sure you get to try a couple out first.
AC
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In Reply to: TAU-200 posted by Ugo Nessuno on August 25, 2000 at 17:10:03:
Mine didn't come with a 12 gram piercing pin, but EAP sent me one.
The quality and style isn't all that great. However, the trigger is very nice.
Gun is accurate and I love the shooting action is wonderful.
The cocking handle sheared of of mine but I fixed it, the failure was because I forced it to hard. I'll have a gun smith make a permanent repair on it.
Its a fine deal for the money.
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In Reply to: Confused posted by John Sa. on August 26, 2000 at 10:44:55:
It's confusing for me. I'm a kid. And most (amlost EVERYONE) on this forum is WAY WAY WAY more experienced than me. I acutally found a gun someone recommended. It's a R-1. It has power and is nice looking. Plus there are LOTS of aftermaket parts for it.
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In Reply to: Re: Red Dot MOA posted by David Bruce on August 26, 2000 at 01:33:23:
The dot is not translucent. The smallest MOA's I've seen are 3 MOA. 4MOA is fine for most work out to fifty yards. Most red dots have no magnification, nor do they transmit as much light as a good scope, so- shooting into shady areas can be a pain sometimes. RB
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In Reply to: OKLAHOMA airguners All wecome to attend... posted by commando on August 26, 2000 at 09:01:35:
Can't make it this time maybe see you guys later.
Plus that It'll give all the others a chance.GRIN!
CJ
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In Reply to: Re: Roland and M54 Owners posted by KAC on August 26, 2000 at 04:49:11:
Now I am found.My gun was weak and now it is strong.My sights were loose and now they are tight.The $60 I'm willing to drop for a new mount.The price of a new 450?-not yet.I thought 450s were discontinued?Your advice is very valuable and will be put to good use, as were all you nice fellers' words.I'll keep you posted.If you think of anything else that will help me here let me know.
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In Reply to: published cocking efforts posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 10:59:08:
Can't argue with your experience, but why would a manufacturer/dealer inflate the cocking effort numbers?????
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In Reply to: ZM 2002 posted by Ralp M. on August 26, 2000 at 10:19:39:
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Hope ya'll can help me. Started to sight in my scope and after about 30 shots,target got blurry. Its a BSA 4X32 on a BSA SS.
At first I was thinking maybe it was my eyes but I dont think so.
Any help? Thanks Guys
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Here I've made fun of RWS for years, now I have a model 48 in .25. The 48 is much better than the Model 34 I got started with years ago.
I wanted a plinker on a budget with power and decent accuracy. I wanted to use iron sights, but still be able to see shots out past 10 or 15 yards with out having to walk up and see the tiny .177 holes. 48 in .25 is fine for such.
I may use a scope on it from time to time.
HW 77 in .177 just didn't fit in with the others. I use my R7 mostly, for accurate plinking, or my Pro Elite for power, HW 77 was just the odd gun out.
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In Reply to: Got a guestion about scope getting blurry posted by Ty on August 26, 2000 at 11:02:38:
Ty: has the AO setting changed on you? Has the front lens ring loosened? RB
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Does someone know if this is the same gun or what the difference is if they are not. Couldn't find the 1300 on DT Fletcher's page. I'm not even sure there is a 1300, I heard this model # in conversation.
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Hope ya'll can help me. Started to sight in my scope and after about 30 shots,target got blurry. Its a BSA 4X32 on a BSA SS.
At first I was thinking maybe it was my eyes but I dont think so.
Any help? Thanks Guys
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In Reply to: " too many screws to get loosen by recoil), and the rough inner side of the rings. " posted by Speed_Freak on August 26, 2000 at 10:37:44:
The paints already gone,the tube scatched.Can't turn back time.Lock tight?Will I be able to unscrew them for future adjustments,etc.?
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In Reply to: Cody! posted by John Sa. on August 26, 2000 at 09:24:43:
John: I've always had serious doubts about the published cocking effort of the R-9's. I've handled a mess of them, and they are NOT that hard to cock, especially after greasing the locking detent! My Rx-1 has a published effort of 46 lbs- only 6 more than the 40 lb effort published for the R-9- yet the RX-1 is HUGELY diferent(MUCH higher!). I smell an error. I'd put the R-9 just slightly over 30 lbs. Russ
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In Reply to: I need help... posted by Daniel on August 25, 2000 at 14:48:24:
Hi,
It's me again, but this time I'm asking for a little different kind of help. Could someone please provide me with a direct link to the IZH-61. If you could, it would save me alot of time, and I've looked all over the Crosman site, and haven't come across a single thing about the IZH-61! Thanks again!
Sincerely,
Daniel M.
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In Reply to: Re: Roland and M54 Owners posted by Roland Martens on August 26, 2000 at 07:59:03:
Will you write up a little evaluation after you've had ita while?That info would be very valuable to me.BTW-do the rings on yours seem too small for your scope?Do they scar the paint on the tube?Mine does.
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In Reply to: do it yourself power tweak posted by RBest on August 23, 2000 at 18:35:03:
I'll be waiting for a factory version around 25 ftlb, since I think thats the beauty of PCP. High power accuracy and no recoil.
Yea Baby!
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In Reply to: How to burn up a piston seal posted by Jennifer on August 26, 2000 at 10:44:20:
Good idea! See our comments about WD-40 (I guess you already have). I have quite a selection of sprays, oils, greases and other unguents here, and one thing that never goes near an airgun is penetrating oils like WD-40, Liquid Wrench, etc.
It's good to hear that EAP fixed you up though, as it;s a fine airgun! Regards, Russ
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In Reply to: Re: Cody! posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 09:30:37:
The 'I'm so confused' thing is getting old. I have read the replies to your posts, and they are NOT confusing.
Your problem is that you don't want people tell you anything but what you want to hear. When they disagree with you, you discount the information and then post the original question again hoping that THIS time, someone will tell you what you want to hear.
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I burned up a piston seal in my Pro Elite.
I had some old premiers that looked bad, so I sprayed them with WD 40. Soon the gun smoked and dieseled horribly. The seal was ruined.
EAP repaired the gun and I'll won't do that again!
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In Reply to: Re: Its that easy... posted by chasm on August 26, 2000 at 00:25:07:
Chasm: bragadocioness? Is that a real word? heh heh. Signed, The Sultan of Spring
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I am looking for reviews of the Gamo P-23, Gamo R-77, Gamo Auto 45, Crosman 357, Crosman 1322, and Daisy 45. As you can see I'm having problems choosing an air pistol :) Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.
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In Reply to: Re: Roland and M54 Owners posted by Roland Martens on August 26, 2000 at 07:59:03:
Constant Muzzle Velocity(MV) after or during this period ?
no increase in MV due to break in ?
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In Reply to: Need expert advise posted by Mikey on August 26, 2000 at 10:19:11:
The diana would be a step up for you, provided you master Hold Sensitivity. Springers are also more pellet sensitive than pump or co2 guns, so an Ultimate Sampler from StraightShooters would be a good thing to get. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Old Newbie-Dumb Questions-?? (long post-sorry) posted by AC on August 26, 2000 at 10:34:37:
1/2" groups at 25 yards should be attainable- given the correct pellet and the gun in tip-top shape. RB
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In Reply to: Re: Roland and M54 Owners posted by Roland Martens on August 26, 2000 at 07:59:03:
a plastic wrap gasket [Saran] for the rings [per RBest ?]
Loctite for the screws.
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In Reply to: Re: Old Newbie-Dumb Questions-?? (long post-sorry) posted by RBest on August 26, 2000 at 10:01:24:
Russ, to your knowledge, is this gun, when in good working order, inherently accurate enough to shoot the groups Joe is seeking?
AC
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In some low powered air pistols there is pellet drop even at 10 yards. Does the P-23 have any problems like this? Also would you recommend the P-23 as a good first Co2 gun?
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In Reply to: Re: I'll listen. posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 21:58:41:
Waht makes me happy is a .22 Career or a TX200. But there to big for me. So I'll get a R-1 and get a Career or a TX200 in a about 3 years. Or whenever.
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This gun sounds incredible.What's the cost of admission for this? Is there a waiting list a mile long?
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I have 2 Crosman airuns now and am looking to expand my little collection. I have an opportunity to pick up a Diana Model 34 .22. Any comments or perhaps info on the gun.
Thanks in advance.
Mikey
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Found a Daisy 99 in the crawlspace some time ago.
Well I got advice on how to load the thing, but there is no power. The BBs spit out about 12" and starts arching down from there. Anyone know where I oil the 99 to make sure pressure builds up?
What can a fella reasonably expect as far as power from this little bugger?
Kris
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I picked up a used Benjamin 30/30.
I need to replace the front sight, which has been broken off.
Who can do this, where can I get ahold of them???
Thanks
Good Shootin!!
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I picked up a used Benjamin 30/30.
I need to replace the front sight, which has been broken off.
Who can do this, where can I get ahold of them???
Thanks
Good Shootin!!
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In Reply to: I hate you all!!! posted by bcd on August 26, 2000 at 01:32:52:
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In Reply to: Old Newbie-Dumb Questions-?? (long post-sorry) posted by Joe R on August 26, 2000 at 09:47:37:
Joe: make sure you check for loose stock screws. On that gun, grab the outer barrel sleeve and see if you can twist it some. If the barrel rotates- your accuracy suffers. RWS sidelevers have a problem with loosening barrel sleeves, and the sleeve needs an adhesive applied between it and the barrel. RTV and epoxies are most often used. You will need to remove the front sight to affect this repair. To test the idea- loosen ther fron sight screws and gently but firmly tap the sight housing back- towards the receiver. Do this until you can no longer twist the barrel sleeve, then snug the setscrews(do NOT overtighten- you will crush the guns choke!). Try shooting some groups now. Also try the URL below, reading a hold sensitivity article in the FAQ secion. RB
Where can I get parts for subject Sears air pistol.
It is approx 40 years old - still functions, but does
not seal to cartridge well. Leaks at cartridge piercing.
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In Reply to: Re: Pellets posted by M Boyle on August 25, 2000 at 22:58:27:
Hmmm I got my best groups with Crappy Tire's Copperhead Pointed 7.9 pellets. Am I normal (I tried much more other things)
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With in the first 50 shots I've allready beat my best group with the R10
5 shots in a clover leaf smaller than a pencil at 40 yds. it seems to like the
Premiers 14.3 lubed with Birchwood's Moly lube better than slich 50 1 lube
I still have the Air Arms Diabolo's to try
Hooked on PCP
Mike G
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In Reply to: Career vs Savor 7000 posted by Reeder on August 26, 2000 at 08:30:14:
The Saver 7000 is like the older Careers in that it only has 3 power levels on it's dial. Low power is about 45 ft/lbs(in .22), so it's rather loud. Some differences: rather than a western style cocking lever, the Saver uses a small sidelever to cycle and cock (about where you'd expect a bolt to be), it has a pressure gage in the forestock, and there is no bluing on the gun. The barrel and chamber tubes are painted a metallic gun metal grey (very nice paint job BTW-I use carwax on this gun!). HTH, Russ
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In Reply to: Is the new Bushnell Trophy 4-15x40AO springer rated? nt :) posted by Chris Farhi on August 25, 2000 at 20:42:59:
Chris;
It's my understanding that all Trophy Models are springer proof!! If I'm wrong someone please correct me!
William
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In Reply to: Re: PCP Adapter Idiocy posted by Swinson on August 25, 2000 at 22:42:54:
The threads on your Daystate are a British Metric Standard!!!! No ordinary shop in America is going to carry a addapter or any conversion. I think your best bet is to call Davis or go thru MAC1!!
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Thanks for the info on the lead BBs.
I have had my RWS-52 for 4-5yrs, I was dissatisfied with the accuracy that I was getting and stopped shooting it for that reason.. I recently got the gun back out and let some kids shoot it and noticed that the X-hair in the Bushnell Sportview was turning, I then thought that I may have a bad scope more than an inaccurate rifle...Purchase new weaver DT-15 scope and install on some modified Kelbly 1" scope rings leaving a gap of .006" to scope stop, the scope has not moved.. I am shooting from a bench at 25yds. and cannot get better than an average agg.(5 shot gps)of 3/4"-1", this is avg. not best or worst.. I have shot pellets from Crosman dome 7.9s to RWS Super Mag. 9.5s...
Am I expecting too much ?? I was hoping for 1/4"-1/2" groups at the least...As you can tell I am not an air gunner.. However I am rimfire & centerfire shooter,
benchrest and varmint type...I was hoping to use the air gun to help me with my RF & CF benchrest shooting, technique and wind reading etc, but every thing seems to lead me to believe that it is not accurate enough to accomplish this...Do I need to get another type or different air gun??..Any and all help will be appreciated very much....Have a good .1" --(Airgun dummy) AKA--Tater
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In Reply to: Re: Cody! posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 09:30:37:
I suggested a Sheridan or Benjamin back when you had your heart set on a 54. But, after awhile,after I read post after post saying that you wanted a 54, I decided that the laws of physics don't apply for you and that even though it is big and heavy and hard to cock--there would never be any other gun for you. You convinced me of the error of my ways, and I posted saying that from then on, I would never again doubt that the 54 was the best gun for you. I would never again try to convince you that you should get a gun that fits you better or that you had a snowball's chance in hell of cocking by yourself. So, from time to time, I remind you that you should go with the 54. Remember me now?
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In Reply to: AirArms 10m match pistol?????? saw one at gunshop.... posted by parisifal on August 26, 2000 at 00:33:46:
Big $$$ High Performance like Falcon Fn8.
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In Reply to: Cody! posted by John Sa. on August 26, 2000 at 09:24:43:
I'm CONFUSED. Your telling me to get a 54 and other people are trying to get me to get a R-9 or a R-1. I'm confused! :o(
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In Reply to: Aw, cheer up son, it ain't that bad!.... ;-) posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 21:25:39:
I just looked at the R-1. It is awesome. It has power and it looks nice. And has open sights. I really like the gun. And later on if I want to I could add a R-1 Laser Stock and a gas spring + a muzzle brake and it might look like the R-1 Laser. That gun is COOL.
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I just found a link from this forum to the pilkington page and they sell the daisy 888 air rifle. I was thinking of purchasing it for my 10 year old son bud. It's a co2 bulk fill I think that has aperture sights and a walther match barrel. I spoke to the rotc rifle team coach at the local school and they use the model 853 for teaching 3 position. I was wondering if anyone is using this gun and could tell me which one is better. Any advise would be appreciated.
Little Pete
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In Reply to: Cody Dotter posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 07:20:41:
I thought you were going to get an RWS 54. Don't disappoint me now! The R9 is even harder to cock than the 54 (40lbs cocking effort for the R9 vs 39 lbs cocking effort for the 54), you won't like it. It's gotta be the 54 for you. Just do it!
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In Reply to: How did you finish those 777 grips? posted by jcbii on August 25, 2000 at 22:52:07:
I ordered the grips from Daisy to replace the plastic ones on my 747. The grips came unfinished and in need of sanding. After sanding I used a water based stain (special walnut was the color, I can't remember the manufacturer or locate the bottle right now.)
I think I put 4 coats on rubbing with steel wool between coats. Then I put 3 coats of Minwax "Wipe On Poly". The wipe on poly is great, instead of using a brush to apply it, you wipe it on with a rag. I find paper towels to work best. The poly levels itself and has no streaks or bubbles. Also use steel wool between coats.
--Mark
There is a new field target macth on the fourth
Sunday of each month. This is an informal event at this time
shoot what you got . Range out to 50yrds . practice @12:oo to 1:00 pm
Macth starts at 1:00 pm OIL CAPITAL ROD & GUN CLUB
BROKEN ARROW OK, BY TULSA ON BEN LUMPKIN RD.
e-MAIL ME FOR MORE INFO just come and wacth if you would like.
HAVE FUN BE SAFE.....
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In Reply to: are you saying its illegal to silence a .22 multi pump??? (nt) posted by evil_guy on August 26, 2000 at 08:37:11:
I'm assuming you are in the U.S.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Unless you are over 21 and have undergone a background check, received the approval of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in your area and paid the $200 federal tax, there is no chance that it is legal for you to own a silencer. Even if you can fulfill all of these requirements, it may be illegal in your state.
Note that it is the silencer itself that is restricted, your use of the device has no bearing on that fact.
There is some debate as to whether or not you can own a silencer without fulfilling these requirements if it is permanently affixed, or integral to an airgun. If you want to go this route, and be reasonably safe, you should probably send it off to someone who has a suitable federal license and have them weld one (or braze or whatever) on and return your gun. My guess is that the worst the ATF would do if they caught you with this and felt particularly nasty is that they would consfiscate the gun. Then again, you never know.
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In Reply to: Re: Full auto BB gun posted by Jon Powell on August 24, 2000 at 21:33:07:
Entee!
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In Reply to: Armor plated crow? posted by steve d. on August 25, 2000 at 07:48:48:
Geese are hell. I hit one in the head from about 10 yards and the thing just flinched.
-Zero the Inestimable
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In Reply to: I know it's early, but... What airguns do you want for X'mas? posted by Peter Kay on August 24, 2000 at 23:31:42:
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In Reply to: Hey Cody, good to hear from you again!..... posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 21:02:41:
Hey, Unc, How are you? The 46 is shooting fine.
I found a Ft. macth here in Oklahoma and will shoot the
46 and 54 in it tommarow -Sunday.The macth is just getting started
and kind of informal at this point..Fun Fun..I will be next to daystates
and the likes in the field....He He I might tell you how I do..
God bless ...my friend
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In Reply to: Re: where can i find a silencer for a Benjamin Sheridan 392 and for how much (NT) posted by John Sa. on August 26, 2000 at 08:10:53:
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In Reply to: Re: There are claims that......it's the DMSO... posted by Steve B. on August 25, 2000 at 05:43:35:
There's no question about that part. In fact, this property can be demonstrated by putting a bit of orange extract in DMSO and then dripping it on your hand. You can taste the orange extract almost instantly as it's carried from your hand to your mouth in your bloodstream.
Yet another reason to leave WD-40 alone.
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I would like to find out two things, the first what are the diffrences between the savor 7000 and the Career 707? and I will be making a decision to get a PCP today and I would like to know where would be the best place to purchase one with the pump and get it before Oct 7th which is hunting season in MD. thank you for your help.
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In Reply to: Re: I need help... posted by RBest on August 25, 2000 at 18:45:48:
I always thought it would be a good starter...
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In Reply to: Re: Questions (Cr 262, 1077 Crappy Tire Crosmans) posted by Dave N on August 26, 2000 at 00:21:18:
I thought they shot lead shot? Bill
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In Reply to: Re: Its that easy... posted by Simon Slick on August 26, 2000 at 01:14:46:
Wanna learn a flinch?
Come out to see me and I'll let you shoot my Gamo 500. Now there's real "springer twang", got to keep your toung outa the way of those canines, or buy an earring for the hole.
But, its really a tight little shooter...
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In Reply to: where can i find a silencer for a Benjamin Sheridan 392 and for how much (NT) posted by evil_guy on August 26, 2000 at 05:47:28:
Don't know offhand where you can get one, and how much it will cost you is up to the judge.
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In Reply to: Re: R1 FP? posted by M Boyle on August 25, 2000 at 21:38:20:
R1 is a 18 FP gun wit many pellets (.22). I thing with a decent power tune you should get up to some 20 FP without compromising substantially either reliability or durability. More recoil is a must. Action-reaction physics. The only thing where you can store the energy IS the spring.
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In Reply to: Re: Hey Cody, good to hear from you again!..... posted by Cody Dotter on August 26, 2000 at 08:01:27:
OOPS, it DON'T
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In Reply to: Hey Cody, good to hear from you again!..... posted by Uncle Gary on August 25, 2000 at 21:02:41:
Who, ME? I don'y have a 46 yet. I have to save $$$. I'm considering a R-9 instead.
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In Reply to: Roland and M54 Owners posted by JRW on August 26, 2000 at 00:25:46:
That sounds familiar to me, but have never been an issue because I tighten the stop screws before completely tighten the side screws. Then retighten sidescrews and stopscrews.
In any case, after 5000 shots my poi begun raising a bit. I know it's the mount. The other two things I don't like at all on this mount are the windage and elev adjustments (they are practical, but too many screws to get loosen by recoil), and the rough inner side of the rings.
I'm gonna change this mount as soon as the new Beeman 1 piece droop mount I ordered arrives.
Roland
I'm gonna
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In Reply to: Question for you mock-automatic CO2 pistol guys.... posted by Fearon Steele on August 26, 2000 at 03:36:14:
Fearon,the Makarov looks the real McCoyski.
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In Reply to: Red Dot MOA posted by David Bruce on August 26, 2000 at 01:09:22:
Bushnell Holosight...is not exactly a red dot, but offers .5 moa. Quite expensive though. No parallax is said.
Roland
I am trying to determine the approximate value of a Red Ryder BB gun purchased in 1940. It is in good, but not new shape. There is no rust present, and the original box no longer exists.
Any information would be appreciated.
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Is it possible to get a R-9 in .22 cal.? Since there's more of a selection of .22 cal. pellets. Or is the .20 better. I'll be using the gun for plinking and hunting. How does the R-9 group at 50 yards? Will it group better with a tune? ThanX. ;o)
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In Reply to: Re: TX200 SR? posted by AC on August 26, 2000 at 00:00:03:
Yeah - it's a great price.
Perhaps too good.
Still - I'll give the guy a ring. He's in another city to me (about 100km away).
If it's in great cond, then I'll buy it (try and get him to take it down to NZ$340 (might aswell get as good a deal as possible)), then sell it, and buy some stuff for my HW97.
Chris
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