The Whale Interview
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Q: What is your theory as to what is going on in the world right now?



The way I see it is Creator created the dark side to facilitate greater experience, as negativity is the greatest tool for growth. This is where Lucifer came in, and the negative alien races—to be external tyrants.  However, things got a bit out of hand, and you can see the results.  Also, there is an experiment of creating the ‘Explorer Race’ which you can read about in the Robert Shapiro books. 



Q: What is the shadow government and how does it work?



When you scratch the surface you find the Corporations are running the planet, eg medicine, which was where I started.  Incidentally, when that is the case it is Fascism, as Mussolini said Fascism was the merger of State and Industry, and should have been called Corporatism, so we are living in a Fascist state, masquerading as a democracy.



I started looking into medicine and found a medical monopoly which has suppressed all non pharma/patentable medicine, along with those doctors, for over 100 years.   When I discovered that I realised they could only achieve that with complete ‘cooperation’ of the media, judiciary, and government, so there you have the Shadow Government.



Q: What is the mind set of the shadow government and why do they do what they do?



The mind set appears to be psychopathic, where you have absolutely no conscience or heart connection.   That doesn’t explain, to my mind, why psychopaths are running the country, which is where the Reptilian connection comes in.  If the Elite are or have Reptilian DNA then that would explain the depopulation agenda, as genocide of what they consider an inferior race.  Andrew Hennessey believes they are telepathic, and look down on us as “Monkeys”, so it could be just genocide of us ‘Monkey’s’.  The Telepathic theory would be one reason why they can maintain control so easily.  If you read the articles by Don and Carol Croft, or DB then you will get some idea about the abilities of telepaths.



Q: Your website has a lot of information on health could you tell us about that?



I have an interest in Truth, I naturally started with the spiritual stuff, and gave that up when I realised what was going on was meant to be and to get on with it.  All paths lead nowhere, and this reality is just the way Spirit wants it.



I then came across a copy of Nexus Magazine where I saw an article about Essiac which I found unbelievable---a herb can cure cancer!  Just shows how brainwashed I was at the time.  I then read most of the Nexus back issues and collected all of the books I could find on alternative cancer therapies.  That may have been because my father died from it after going through the orthodox system.  I was certainly afraid of having to endure that.



I am not sure why I concentrated on medicine, I just have an inbuilt interest.  But health and medicine do seem to be the kingpin of the control system as well as being the number one cause of illness and injury to children, so a good place to start, and the Third Great Law from the Warrior Path teachings is ‘Do Nothing to Hurt the Children’.



Fear of infectious disease is their main way of creating fear and maintaining control.  They couldn’t get anyone to take vaccines without that, and the vaccines maintain a steady source of sick children that they can medicate with more drugs.  As long as they can suppress the part vaccines play, they can carry on the highly lucrative racket.   Fear of cancer is important to them as well, they do that by suppressing all of the cancer cures and forcing everyone to use highly toxic chemotherapy and radiation. 



So medicine, health and disease, are the main tools for controlling the population and they make vast amounts of money from the taxpayer, around 90% of the government ‘health’ budget is unnecessary.  That is over £40 Billion every year in the UK alone. 



Thirdly, medicine, especially vaccination, is touted as ‘proof’ of the wonders of Corporate/Fascist/Atheist medicine and science, even though they fail to cure anything they can still wave the ‘wonders-of-smallpox-vaccination’ flag to keep people hypnotised.  You should be able to see now why they will never admit MMR vaccination is causing autism.



Q: Are you against vaccinations and why?



I would no more have my child vaccinated than shoot my foot off.   I forced myself to look into vaccination when my last son was born, 11 years ago.  Like most people I thought it was a matter of risking vaccine damage but at least your child was protected for life from those wicked deadly disease, and I didn’t even want to think about the potential vaccine damage.  So right there you can see the propaganda working effectively.  However, I was looking into Natural Hygiene at the time, thanks to Harvey Diamond and his book Fit For Life, and was seeing a few Natural Hygienists who helped me deal with my fears.  Since then, of course, I have had the time to look into it, and found it was a complete hoax from top to bottom.  The smallpox vaccine killed millions and was the principle factor in the spread of smallpox, leprosy and all of the other diseases right around the globe.   They didn’t even have a word for Leprosy in the Hawaiian isles, but after vaccination around 10% of the population developed leprosy.



It doesn’t take much to see through smallpox vaccination, and it was very easily demolished by the likes of Wallace and Tebb with the governments very own statistics.  What is amazing is how anyone could swallow the idea of taking septic germ ridden pus and cutting that into babies arms could be anything other than harmful!  Huge epidemics of smallpox were caused by compulsory vaccination which was why they repealed the compulsory vaccination laws. 



Just the town of Leicester demolished vaccination by refusing to vaccinate and comparing the results to the vaccine years.   For example, they saved 2,200 lives each year of children under five compared to their years at the height of compulsory vaccination, which would be why Dr Collins, an ex-public vaccinator, called it the Slaughter of the Innocents, and Shaw remarked that Herod would be proud of the results.



That should shake anyone faith in the other vaccinations, and the evidence shows a similar pattern with the other vaccines, for example, measles deaths had declined by 99.4% before vaccination in England and Wales.  So how can anyone in all seriousness say vaccination did anything?  Right there you can see that the 99.4% factor—the decline in poverty—was the cause in the decline in the death rate for the smallpox and the vaccine diseases, as numerous medical doctors have said.



Then, the ingredients are a real witch’s brew, the mercury in the DPT vaccine is the main cause of autism which has now been increased by adding the MMR vaccine.  Then you have vaccine contaminants such as the cancer causing animal SV40 virus which is still in the polio vaccine.  



Plus, the whole industry is run by the people making the vaccines, the drug corporations, who are run mostly by psychopaths.  So if you think they care about your kids you are living in la la land. You only have to look at how they treat the vaccine injured to get some idea about their mind set.   We have a law in the UK where you have to be over 80% injured to get vaccine compensation.  So, they can cripple 79.5% of your kid’s body and get away with it.  Only 1 in 170 received compensation in 2002 (UK).  You can end up a 24 hour carer for your child.



Q: Do you believe AIDS was manufactured by a sinister force (ie: Illuminati, Big Brother, Shadow Government) and why?



There is plenty of evidence that AIDS was a manufactured agent, and it would be exceedingly out of character if they didn’t try something like that.  However I don’t think it was too successful, and now most AIDS is down to pharmaceutical drugs (or poverty in Africa), helped enormously by the HIV test, and their diagnosis games.  I have lost count of the number of people killed by AZT.



You can see that genocide agenda continuing in Africa now.  You should not vaccinate ill or malnourished children which is most African children.  So, any vaccine drive in third world countries is covert-genocide.  They were caught out recently by Kihura Nkuba when they used the Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV), which even their own documents say should not be used in African conditions.   It is a bit obvious when they still use reusable needles 30-40 years after the invention of disposable ones, and spend millions mostly on vaccines, when about 1.2 billion people still have no access to safe drinking water, and 2.4 billion do not have adequate sanitation services (dirty water kills 1.5 million children just through powdered baby milk).



Q: What are the bloodlines of the Illuminati/Global Elite?



That is not something I have looked into that much, but it seems to be the Kingpin families and possibly tied into reincarnation.  If you are a darksider you would try and keep the same soul line down through the generations.



Q: Why do the elite worship a statue of a giant owl (Moloch) at Bohemian Grove?



They appear to worship Lilith.  You can see the Owl in a Washington street plan.



Q: Could you explain how some of the less talked about groups like MJ-12, Prieure de Sion, Opus Dei, and Knight Templar that are involved in the conspiracy?



I have collected some of them and filed them on whale. I haven’t looked too closely as yet.  I think the Knights Templar were the forerunners of the Illuminati, and like any Mafia system, you have various families or groups developing over the centuries.  I read Bill Cooper on MJ12 years ago, and as I recall, it was the outfit dealing with the aliens.



Q: From what you have learned about mind control how exactly does it work?



I started collecting medical control or propaganda ploys used in vaccination, I then realised they were ‘mind control’ ploys, which was a bit of a taboo word with me at the time.  Taboos are mostly put in with mind control to keep you off the subject, another taboo word is ‘conspiracy’. 



The essence of mind control is information control, so you cultivate ignorance and feed people with propaganda that suits the Fascist agenda.  Since Fascism puts power and money first it has to maintain control to hide this fact from the population. 



Ignorance allows the propaganda to flow unhindered, which is mostly just lies, such as ‘smallpox-vaccine-saved-millions,’ ‘vaccines-are-safe-and-effective’, ‘drugs-are-the-only-effective-medicine’, ‘alternative-medicine-is-quackery’, ‘the-cause-of-Alzheimer’s-is-unknown’, ‘the-cure-for-cancer-is-just-around-the-corner’, ‘trust-the-government’ ‘trust-authority’ and so on, and ignorance of the mind control and the monopolies—‘there-are-no-conspiracies-or-monopolies’, ‘people-who-believe-in-conspiracies-are-mad/paranoid’.  These are mind viruses that they like to imbed into your subconscious, which is where repetition comes in useful.



It would be very difficult to hypnotise (without force) someone, or the masses, if they had sufficient Knowledge.  So you have to control the education system, government and media, and you can see why most people are fooled because it is simply too unbelievable that any entity could have that much power; and who wants to find out your ‘mother’ is a serial killer.  That is why the people who can see the Emperor is naked tend to be spiritual.



Then the mind controllers had to make us ignorant of essence programming, which they first did by creating religions and putting them, and the Priests, between you and the spiritual circuits from where you can get good information directly.  This was why Don Juan called Churches monuments to self-importance. The spiritual circuit that Jesus walked and talked was Sananda which you can reach with yogic disciplines or shamanic knowledge. 



Darwinism is used to promote atheism by pushing the belief that we came out of the swamps, and are just above the animals.  Atheism is very important to the drug Corporations as they don’t want anyone to know that herbs are far more effective than drugs.  They had to suppress herbal knowledge as well which included the psychedelics which shamans used to heal the spirit, the main cause of disease.  I think the witch purges were more about that, and then they made laws so only a medical doctor can treat cancer, and the herbalists can’t say their herbs can do anything. We can thank the Herbal Naturopath Dick Shulze for revealing that. 



The natural urge to worship a higher power, that Maslow discovered, was used by the religions, and when atheism took over it was transferred onto the medical doctors and politicians, which leads to further suppression of healing, health, disease, and political knowledge.  They act as gatekeepers, and you double up the control if you make the gatekeepers believe in the lies.



I realised I was in denial that ego programming even existed, which is where the ego derives its main strength, but when I got it, I understood the great insight that Don Juan had when he said—“self-importance is man’s greatest enemy”.   They stimulate ego programming by getting us addicted to emotions and emotional drama games, this is where TV soaps come in.  If you look at the tone scale (Ron Hubbard used to work in the CIA mind control department) you can see how people get fixated on various emotions, but what you have to realise is that every victim script needs a persecutor, every rescuer needs a victim, and our psyche creates these drama situations just as a choreographer creates the dance steps.  Have a look at Eastenders (a UK soap) and Friends, see which reality you prefer, and it is easy to see which set of behaviour has a better chance of seeing mind control.



Then add on addiction to alcohol, drugs, pharma drugs, porn and gambling.  They have put a millstone around your neck while they pick your pockets, and degrade society at the same time.  If New Labour could get away with it they would have 24 hour drinking, Casinos in every town next to the football grounds, along with sex shops and brothels.  They are still trying.



The main emotion they push is fear.  You can’t think when in fear or in any other emotion, it keeps the non-thinkers in line and pointing in the right direction.  As anyone who has used a sheepdog will tell you, you can’t get sheep to go where you want them unless they fear the sheepdog, and the dog has to bite the odd sheep to get them into fear.  People wouldn’t be clamouring to be saved by the vaccines and drugs of the medical mafia, in other words, without fear, or to be led by psychopaths if they weren’t in fear which is below them on the tone scale.



The spiritual centres are reached through the feeling centre, so anyway you can cut of feelings you will have more of a slave.  Breastfeeding must activate that centre more than anything, so they promote bottle feeding and not touching.  The world average for breastfeeding is 4 years, and many cultures carry the babies all day for at least a year.  Touching is the main way we get the message that we are loved, and the best way to feel love.  My parents were kept ignorant of that.  That suppresses love which is what they fear more than anything.



The type of schooling and parenting that aimed for this was called poisonous pedagogy in Germany.  Some called it soul murder.  Boarding schools were good for that.  In our Fascist education system they teach and cram you with useless boring information such as the iron and steel industry in southern Brazil, instead of proper parenting, or self-knowledge.



Thirdly, you have to have a system for a more active suppression of the truth, by intimidation, failing that covert-assassination; ‘heart attacks’, ‘car accidents’ ‘suicide’ etc.  Mind control is incredibly hostile, which is the nature of Fascism.  We are living in a war zone where the Fascists create the terror by assaulting us with drugs and criminals that they have created through the illegal drugs they flood the cities with.  One suburb in London had more crime than the whole of England and Wales in one year during the 60’s.  They create the terrorists so they can plunder third world countries using our children as cannon fodder.



Not forgetting the chemical assault on the brain by fluoride and the numerous other poisons such as junk food.  Just like soldiers need good food, so the brain needs good food to think clearly.  And one of the main ways they promote violence and crime is by junk food, along with the vaccines.



If they take a particular dislike to you they will get a psychic to work out your weak points along with a psychologist, and will then try to split up your marriage.



Then you have MKUltra which Fritz Springmeier and Sue Ford write about.  That is where all the serial killers come from, like Manson.  The movie The Bourne Identity was about  mind control breaking down in a Delta force killer.



Then we have the mind control towers disguised as cell phone towers.  They also are obsessed with surveillance, every e mail has been recorded by Echelon since the internet began.  They like to watch your mind all the time, in other words.  Now every car in the UK will probably have a satellite tracker in them, that is 30 million cars, and all roads into large towns have number plate cameras on them, so you can get some idea about the size of the surveillance system.  They are very fearful of the population.



Q: How are books, television, and movies used in mind control programming?



They keep any revealing books away from the public, you won’t find any such book on the high street, in schools or in public libraries.  If you do find one it is usually lonesome and out of context.   So, the ones you do find will say vaccines are wonderful and Laetrile is toxic.  For example I was recently searching for Dr Robert Willner books on Cancer and AIDS but couldn’t find them anywhere, even second hand.  The encyclopaedias are a case in point, no mention of Bechamp, and one anti-vaccine piece did get in around 1910, but was removed the next year and never seen again.  When I post stuff onto the Internet Wikipedia encyclopaedia it gets removed by an editor who is a medical doctor.



Television is the master programmer, it consumes your time by getting you addicted to soaps (emotions), and hence promotes ego games—drama games.  The last one I saw, Holby City, had a thread about the dangers of HIV, so propaganda again, and gets you addicted to Big Brother’s matrix/status quo beliefs----everything is thing is fine and well, go back to sleep---while the overt Fascist State is being constructed around us, and the Legions are out slaughtering innocent civilians (100,000 so far in Iraqi).  There must be some subliminal hypnotic programming coming down the wire too. 



Also Talking keeps you tied to this reality.  The Internal talking or dialogue is what you have to stop if you want to access higher thinking, so a talking head in every room is great mind control.  Incidentally, Gurdjieff name for this state was ‘Waking Sleep.’



I collected some of the agendas coming through movies.  It seems much of the mind control is reinforced through spoken words in movies, and they like to tell us what they are doing through the movies, this could be some cosmic law, bragging, or what is called ‘Revelation of the Method’---if you can hypnotise people that the Emperor is clothed then you get a perverted pleasure in walking about naked, as well as proving how good your mind control is and putting up two fingers to the people who can see it. 



The main thing the movies do, to my mind, is to promote negativity and cynicism, and kill hope.  Thoughts are creative and are self fulfilling prophesies.  They know that, so if Alex Jones can depress you, make you afraid, and get you cynical about the government then you will create that reality, which is exactly what they want.  If you wondered why they thrash some politicians in the press that is the reason.



Some sneak past them, such as Lord of the Rings, which must drive them crazy, I would have that one on 24/7.  How man triumphs against all the odds due to Fellowship, and Hope.  Whereas The Matrix, from what I recall, made me think the matrix was evil and a prison, when in fact the matrix is God and holds everything together.



Q: Could you explain the connections the conspiracy has with Satanism, aliens, UFOs, and of course reptilians?



It is not something I have spent too much time on, but Satanism appears to be the ‘religion’ of the Elite and the practice they use to connect to their Reptilian/alien friends.  Their way of gaining energy and power.   They have been trading with aliens for a long time, and many of the UFO’s are secret government craft.



Q: Do you believe the government is involved in child sex rings and snuff and porn film with children?



From what I have read it sure looks like it.   Read Brice Taylor’s book to get some idea about the Elite and children.



Q: How has SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) seemingly inserted itself into both the government and the church?



I think it was always there, just hidden.



Q: What do you believe truly happened on September 11, 2001 with the World Trade Center Attack?



Just another inside job like the Murrah building, the Alex Jones DVD called ‘911 Road to Tyranny’  covers them well.  They needed an enemy to bring in the overt-Fascist state.  They blew the towers with explosives and flew the planes by wire.



Q: What is the Depopulation Agenda of the elite?



They have written about reducing the population to something like 500 million, by methods such as wars (Iraq springs to mind).  Psychopath thinking.



Q: Could you tell the readers a little bit about weather control and how it connects to the conspiracy?



They are using the HAARP system to control the weather by inducing drought conditions in Africa (a Croft cloudbuster set up in a drought region in Africa brought rain the next day!  And it hadn’t rained for 10 years), and create the Hurricanes in the US, where they want to induce martial law.   The cloudbusters negate that effect, as well as the chemtrails. 



Q: Do you believe the Philadelphia Experiment was real or was it a hoax?



Real, but I think it was essentially window dressing, as they had time travel technology before that.



Q: Do you believe the Montauk Project and time travel are real and that they are part of the conspiracy and why?



Real.  They are just the technology the Elite keep to themselves.  You can get some idea about it by reading Michael Relfe’s account of his service on Mars.  They gained this sort of technology from aliens, in exchange, as Don Croft said, for cows lips or anuses :0)



Q: Why do you feel JFK was assassinated?



Being a Brit I haven’t had much of an interest in JFK, although from the evidence I have seen he wasn’t playing to the Elite’s agenda, so had to be taken out.  I was just reading John Judge on Ratical.org, who read all of the Warren commission documents, and he noted that Oswald didn’t even have any gun residue on his clothes!



Q: Everyone that is a conspiracy theorist from David Icke to Alex Jones are being labeled disinformers. Who do you feel are the real disinformers?



Well, the media are the masters of that, but you have to develop your own discernment.  I think anyone who makes you fearful without offering any solutions could be labelled ‘disinfo’ and that is most of the internet sites.  Alex Jones qualifies for that, and he won’t mention orgonite, which gets a big black mark in my book. 



Q: You have a part on your website with great thinkers like George Orwell, H.L. Menckin, George Bernard Shaw, Timothy Leary, and Robert Anton Wilson. Can you suggest any other great thinkers to readers?



Exopolitics by Leary was the first book to blow my mind, and I have to say he gained most of his insight through the use of psychedelics, so you can reach ‘higher thinking’ through herbs, or by meditation, so I would encourage people to meditate, and do their own thinking.  Asking questions has to be the key and I believe I can get an answer to any question, in time, which is the opposite to the self-fulfilling comment I often hear “nobody knows that.”  As John Lilly discovered, what you believe is the key that locks or opens the door to your reality.



Anyone who is on the Path of Knowledge is going to come up with some good thinking, and Don Juan is the master of that.  He must have spent a good part of his life outside the boxes he called Reason and Talking.  We got sold the lie that there was nothing outside, or inside rather, no internal reality, no Spirit or God, no overview available, so we became good sheep or slaves, and spend our lives talking rather than thinking.



Eckhart Tolle’s book the Power of Now is a masterful book on Spiritual Psychology.



Q: Who was Wilhelm Reich, what is orgone, and what are the uses of orgone?



Reich was an Austrian scientist who discovered orgone energy which is, I believe, is another name for Chi or Prana.  No doubt the Elite had discovered it already and did their best to suppress that knowledge; they killed him and burnt all his books, which was a great endorsement of his research, in my mind.  He also was a pioneer pleomorphist (germs arise from within the body and change form according to the nutritional and toxemic body terrain), which is taboo to the Elite as they couldn’t run their pharmaceutical medical hoax, especially vaccination, on that disease theory.  People would wake up to the fact diet and nutrition was the main factor in infectious disease, not an absence of pharma med.  So, a real bogey man to them.  One of the greats.



Q:  What books, websites, and researchers can people look up to learn more about these topics?



Ken Adachi’s site is where I pick up news and I recommend that for information.  I use Don and Carol Croft’s board EthericWarriors.com to find out what is really going on and how to deal with it.  Don is a great man and he makes me laugh. He recommends NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY by 1971 by Gary Allen  as a good conspiracy starter.  For medicine, use my site, I list any sites there I think are useful. 
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