GAFFER: “This is actually quite a black art and I’ve found very little documentation or papers on the game specific implementations of this, so if anybody has some to share – or perhaps some good search terms to hop off on a research expedition on this, i’d really appreciate it”
———————————————————————

ABARABA:

Isn’t it hilarious? You wrote article about it, you know? Hahaha!
Are you really going to appreciate the answer? Lets see, here it is:

http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=546652

I have a new link for you, it’s my newest set of highly popular articles concerning neural networks and AI. As usual, it did not take long until I made some discoveries in this field as well. I actually solved Tic-Tac-Toe game with only a single layer perceptron network, by hand! Yes, my friend, I mapped 255,168 combinations into only 81 bytes of connectivity logic. I even implemented it all in parallel and no one of course realized the importance of it, nor do I expect you will, but I dedicated the last post to you, so I’d like you to know about it:

http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?whichpage=3&pagesize=25&topic_id=546912

And, in case you forgot:

A.) Physics. You are failing to apply primary school physics. 10 year old kids can do the ‘free fall’, and any other situation with uniform or constant acceleration without any error. If you use any kind of interpolation/extrapolation with uniform acceleration _you are bloody idiot, mate.

B.) P2P. Grasp how EXTRA latency inexorably comes with the server approach, and understand LATENCY is the most important factor in online gaming. P2P does not have bandwidth problems, it is actually more suitable for low-bandwidth situations, it can support more players than server based approach, and most importantly it is not as limited by location and distance.

***

Originally Posted by monjardin: "Yes, but that is not what Gaffer said. How do you propose integrating that over time without error? To argue that Euler integration is exact on top of this other crap gets my vote for banning you from the forums"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinematics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_acceleration
Code:

//******************************************************
//** KINEMATIC EQUATIONS, 10sec free fall
//**
//**    s = ut + 1/2at^2
//**    v = u + at
//**    s = ((u + v)t)/2
//** 
//******************************************************
#include <stdio.h>
int a= 10;	//gravity or acceleration
int s= 0;	//distance or 'delta distance'
int u= 0;	//initial velocity 
int v= 0;	//final velocity
int dt= 1;	//delta time or FIXED-TIMESTEP
int main(void){
  for(int time=0; time<=10; time+=dt){
      printf("t= %d   position= %d   velocity= %d\n", time, s, v); 

      u= v;
      v= u + a*dt;
      s+= ((u+v)*dt)/2;
  }
}
--- OUTPUT:
t= 0    position= 0     velocity= 0
t= 1    position= 5     velocity= 10
t= 2    position= 20    velocity= 20
t= 3    position= 45    velocity= 30
t= 4    position= 80    velocity= 40
t= 5    position= 125   velocity= 50
t= 6    position= 180   velocity= 60
t= 7    position= 245   velocity= 70
t= 8    position= 320   velocity= 80
t= 9    position= 405   velocity= 90
t= 10   position= 500   velocity= 100

**** Gaffer says:
Code:

t=0:          position = 0           velocity = 0
t=1:          position = 0           velocity = 10
t=2:          position = 10          velocity = 20
t=3:          position = 30          velocity = 30
t=4:          position = 60          velocity = 40
t=5:          position = 100         velocity = 50
t=6:          position = 150         velocity = 60
t=7:          position = 210         velocity = 70
t=8:          position = 280         velocity = 80
t=9:          position = 360         velocity = 90
t=10:         position = 450         velocity = 100

...so, he tells you to do something like this:
Code:

void integrate(State &state, float t, float dt)
{
   Derivative a = evaluate(state, t, 0.0f, Derivative());
   Derivative b = evaluate(state, t, dt*0.5f, a);
   Derivative c = evaluate(state, t, dt*0.5f, b);
   Derivative d = evaluate(state, t, dt, c);

   const float dxdt = 1.0f/6.0f * (a.dx + 2.0f*(b.dx + c.dx) + d.dx);
   const float dvdt = 1.0f/6.0f * (a.dv + 2.0f*(b.dv + c.dv) + d.dv)

   state.x = state.x + dxdt * dt;
   state.v = state.v + dvdt * dt;
}

whichever you prefer, my dear.

--- moving....

-----

Three bugs with one stone.. allegory continues
RealTime Allegory Novella, Technical Paper and Chronological account of an Algorithm discovery
by Zeljko Aksentijevic, 30-Sep-2008 (..to my mother and father, to all my teachers)

This story is based on facts,
any similarity with fictional events or characters is entirely coincidental

This story is also an actual technical paper about the algorithm,
about important loop used in real-time animation software such as video games..

Actually, this story might still be present on the interenet in full,
double drama takes place on forums, in what was then, and maybe still is, the real-time..

***

-"What is The Matrix?

Control.

$___________________________________________[|
The Matrix is a computer generated dream world
built to keep us under control in order to change
a human being
into this.
########
##BATTERY#
########"

i appreciate your opinion,
still, i have mine to which i firmly hold ..until proven wrong

(\___/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

-"When you understand why you dismiss all other gods you will understand why I dismiss yours"

(From IBM advertisement for Linux: "The future is open"...)

-"This is business.
Faster. Better. Cheaper. Constant improvement."
(CEO)

-"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player.
Losing yourself in the group for the good of the group, that's teamwork."
(John Wooden)

-"So, you wanna fly, huh?
Wind speed, thrust.. it's physics."
(Pilot)

-"We've always watched the stars.
If you look at the sky, you can see the beginning of time."
(Astrologer)

-"Res publica, non dominetur!"
(Latin Teacher)

-"Collecting data is only the first step toward wisdom,
but sharing data is the first step toward community."
(Henry Louis Gates)

-"Everything's about timing, kid."
(Penny Marshall)

-"Speak your mind. Don't back down!"
(Muhammad Ali)

-"One little thing can solve an incredibly complex problem."
(Sylvia Nasar)

***

Fugue, uvertira

-"Good evening, Earth.

Allow me first to apologize for this interruption.
I do, like many of you appreciate the comforts of the everyday routine, the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition.. I enjoy them as much as any bloke.

But in the spirit of commemoration - whereby those important events of the past, usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, are celebrated with a nice holiday - I thought we could mark this day, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat.

There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now orders are being shouted into telephones and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why?

- Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth..

Cruelty and injustice...

intolerance and oppression.

And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance, coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission.

How did this happen? Who's to blame?
Well certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable. But again, truth be told... if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.." (V4Vendetta)

Fix Your Timestep!, Unstable Physics & Smooth Animation
(NVIDIA Developer Forums, PhysX SDK - PhysX SDK 2.8.X)

Oct 1, 2008
in case you've been using some implementation of simulation stepping function based on, or similar to what is described in this article: "Fix Your Timestep!"

..then, you might be interested in 2nd opinion on these matters,
actually, after completing intensive research there was a realization that it turns out almost "everyone" is using some version of this algorithm with interpolation or some kind of numerical integration, including popular Physics engines and libraries used not only in Computational Physics, Chemistry, Biology and similar scientific simulations, but also in commercial console and PC games

..anyway, there is "a paper" on this,
and some 'bonus material' that actually turns this tech. paper into an Allegory Novella and couple of more other things... -"How beautiful, is it not! (eccentric guffaw) ..But on this most auspicious of nights.. permit me then, to suggest the character of this 'dramatis personae'."

Kapitoly:
I) Genesis, anecdote
II) Divina Commedia, abysm spirale
III) Seraphim and Nephilim, the chronicles
IV) Aspidochelone, physiologus
V) ..alegoria continua

..among other themes,
book most obviously and most practically addresses these issues:

Oct 1, 2008
>>"Haven't you already spouted this on every remotely related board existing on the internet?

And haven't the reception on pretty much all of those boards been rather negative.."

- yes.. can you explain the reason for that?
why would anyone have negative response on BUG-FIXES ?!

>>"..at which point you refuse to listen?"
- you silly human person,
i fixed THREE huge bugs and lots other errors that were connected to these issues ..if you do not care - go away

so, you want me to keep this for myself,
that is an option, sure ..and you better watch out if you going to use these algorithms - you failed as human being and so you do not have my permission to use them

Oct 1, 2008
>>"abaraba, focus your energy on knocking up some sort of tutorial/demo.."
- what the ?!
you silly human person, why would i do that.. i already found these bugs and i found solution and how in a world you find appropriate to lecture me what else i need to do for you so you could fix your own bugs?!

btw, i did set up all the demos and tutorials, sheesh!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
this is ONLY for people that use fixed time step,
and therefore KNOW about these problems
- if you do not use, do not know or do not care, than this discussion is not for you

also, if you going to pretend that you know,
or that you knew all along, then be ready to prove it,
otherwise please stay out ..or you might end up as a part of the book
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oct 2, 2008
>>"Lol obviously we're all inferior to your species."
- i dont think so and i certainly hope thats not very true

>>"I look forward to reading your book"
- i hope that will explain

Oct 2, 2008
>>"The subject is something very badly documented wherever you look.."
- yes.. yes, indeed ..how peculiar isn't it?
and guess what.. i documented it in full, and guess again - everyone hates me for it.. hahahaa!

..don't hate me just because im cool ;-)

>>"..I would like to shed up some light"
- ah, if you only omitted that sentence,
if you go on pretending that you know - you will never learn

>>"..since I don't really understand how to integrate/interpolate all my objects."
- why did you put so much effort into "explaining it", when you really have no idea what is it you're talking about

>>"Ok this guy obviously have some issues and no reasoning capabilities.."
- if you want to blame me for your inability to understand.. feel free,
anyone else is free to ask any question and i'll try to explain as best as i can, i'll even explain it in your terms, as long as you define them and/or more precisely describe what is it you do not understand or dont agree on

>>"Now, the answer to what I ask might have been said by the OP, the Gaffer "Fix Your Timestep" article."
- your sentance does not make sense,
Gaffer "Fix Your Timestep" article. is WRONG!

>>"While I like it, I have no idea how to change my simple update(deltaT) design to this."
>>"I also don't want to work too hard if it's not the right path. "

- stop insulting yourself already, you lazy human kind of person

>>"..and something some big choppiness but most of the time it's smooth, unfortunately if I stress the video card to lower the FPS, the movement get slower too, and that's unwanted."
- ok you too can continue to use your buggy old algorithm and better watch out if you going to use my algorithms - you failed as human being and so you do not have my permission to use them

>>"Any article I might have missed who explain the principle would be greatly appreciated. "
- its too late for you now,
you missed it, it was right in front of you

+++ do you all understand that i came here to HELP you?

there is no reason,
what so ever, for any of you try to put me down

i fixed THREE bugs for YOU, ok?
- you can say "thank you"
- you can ask anything
- you can agree
- you can disagree and we can discuss it until one is proven wrong

* but what ever you say, you MUST QUOTE what are you referring to and use ARGUMENTS to support your oppinion, NOT GUESSES, NOT ASSUMPTIONS - so we can make it clear for everyone and continue the discussion

TAKE IT or LEAVE IT !

Oct 2, 2008
Ylisar,

nonsense,
you contradict yourself in almost every sentence..

>>"First of all the source on his page is both badly structured and unexplained. I've spent a few minutes reverse engineering it from the little context that is offered. From that it's obvious that he hasn't "solved" anything.""

- ah, what a strange logic
its obvious that you simply failed to understand

..and you could ask,
as i said, i would have made it more clear for you if you were SPECIFIC about it, but if you just go on saying stuff "is bad" without an argument, then thats just plain rubbish talk

can you not read?
>"- but what ever you say, you MUST QUOTE what are you referring to and use ARGUMENTS to support your oppinion, NOT GUESSES, NOT ASSUMPTIONS - so we can make it clear for everyone and continue the discussion"

in any case,
you are free to clog my thread as much as you would like me to clog your

>>"First of all it's not bugs at all,"
- false statement,
they are bugs, quite a HUGE bugs actually ..ask Dunge, or any other 90% of all people using physics engines that are having problems because of this, in one way or another.. did you miss that there are SIX points, six quite HUGE BUGS:

1.) Few subSteps: "Moon gravity effects"
2.) A lot of subSteps: "Spiraling to death"
3.) Interpolation VS. Temporal Distribution
4.) Design-Time Planning and Recognition of Hardware Min. Sys. Requirements
5.) "Scaling the World": Gravity, Mass, Size and Hidden Effects of fixedStepping
6.) Jitter, Choppiness and Slowdowns: Unstable Physics & Smooth Animation

>>"the reason for why this isn't encapsulated in the physics engine is because different applications wants different solutions."
- false statement,
it is encapsulated in physics engines, but my solution works equally no matter where it is implemented

>>"The proposed solution has several problems.."
- hey, you said there ain't any bugs,
so what are you talking about then? ..this obviously does not concern you:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
this is ONLY for people that use fixed time step,
and therefore KNOW about these problems
- if you do not use, do not know or do not care, than this discussion is not for you
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>"Imagine the case of the game running in 59 FPS with a fixed.."
- i do not need to imagine anything,
i have tested practically all three algorithms, so basically what im telling you is that your 'imagination' is a bit off this time, sorry you're WRONG

>>"The "moon gravity effect" which he talks about is most likely the effect which.."
- so, you too have no idea what are you talking about and yet you put all this silly effort to say that im wrong ..based on your IMAGINATION?!

>>"This is a side effect of the imperfection of the integrator used in modern phyiscs engines, where time steps size affects system stiffness."
- hey, didnt you say how this is not implemented in physics engines?!

- hey, didnt you say how there are NO bugs?!
wait, i see ..you call these bugs "side effects" ..ok

>>"This is also a lot easier to debug."
- no, no..
you should call it "de-sideEffect", there are no bugs only side effects

>>"Another problem with trying to simulate the physics.."
- huh, they "problems" now,
problems, side effects ..bugs - whatever you want to call them, i took care of all of them ..but if you did not have any problems in the 1st place, what are you doing here then?

TO SUMMARIZE: you're wrong,
and you will see that for yourself once you actually test algorithms and stop using your imagination for argument ..why do you bother, i wonder

Dunge,

>>"Your ways of insulting and getting aggressive on people.."
- hey, thats my line!
it was you who first said stuff like this:
>>"this guy obviously have some issues and no reasoning capabilities"
>>"As I understand (and what abaraba don't)"

.. and since you >>"I agree myself not to know the subject"
then i find rather strange you said such things to someone who wrote a book on the subject, eh?
(and all that without even reading the book)

>>"..before you started on your religious quest to spread your knowledge."
- that sounds rather interesting!

>>"That's also why I wrote this long reply... Did you answer them?"
- yes, i did
its all explained in the book

>>"Gaffer sure don't explain in a easy way neither, but at least it make more sense."
- its all explained in the book,
all i ask is - if you're too lazy to see it for yourself, please start your own thread, id rather not repeat all the stuff ..i can only try to re-phrase stuff for you and make it more clear, but please if you want to discuss these matters here in my thread, then its only fair to listen(read) what i have to say about it first, right?

>>"Anyway, my previous post questions are still open for anyone ELSE who would want to answer them. Thx. "
- again,
all your questions are answered, but i cant transfer that information telepathically, not to you at least ..so, you need to read it, and feel free to skip whatever is of no interest to you

if you refuse to listen to me,
than please start you own thread, thanks

Oct 2, 2008
Ylisar, Dunge,

>>"It actually don't explain anything, but have a badly formatted code with no comments and incoherent variable naming conventions." >>"Unfortunately your implementation use Bullet, and my project is configured with PhysX so I can't try it."

>>"First of all the source on his page is both badly structured and unexplained." >>"I've spent a few minutes reverse engineering it from the little context that is offered. From that it's obvious that he hasn't "solved" anything.""

- i simply can not believe this!?
who are you people?! ..algorithm has THREE lines of code, ok!?

so you suggesting this is:
- too complicated, badly structured, unexplained, badly formatted, no comments, incoherent variable naming conventions??

#define STEP 0.0167f
static float accum;

void simulateAndRenderOneFrame(float deltaTime)
{
accum+= (deltaTime < STEP*2)? deltaTime : STEP*2;
while( accum >= STEP )
{
world->stepDeltaTime(STEP);
accum-= STEP;
}
renderScene();
}

>>.."and my project is configured with PhysX so I can't try it."
- uh, id put you in jail for saying that
hehee.. just kidding, i like you ..you amuse me

>>"I've spent a few minutes reverse engineering it.."
- hahaa, what are you talking about, algorithm is 3-5 lines of code

>>" .. from the little context that is offered."
- well, all you need is those couple of lines above, how silly, eh?

but,
actually there is quite a bit of context offered - have you ever read a book in your life that has two different stories told in the same text?

>>"Oh, and where can I find this book of yours? "
- you are unbelievable,
you should be put in jail really, and im not kidding now.. just read my 1st post AT LEAST ONCE

...and why did you quote all that?
go away from my thread, i should have your job, you human bloat-monster!

Oct 2, 2008
>>"Unfortunately you didn't explain some of my questions.."
- sure,
you're not required to believe me, of course not!
but you failed to read or try and see for yourself, ignorance is bliss, eh?

..so, why don't you two just go and discuss that somewhere else?

>>"Ylisar thanks for... I believe

you are right as it's pretty much the same thing which is being said"

- sweet!
let me now quote how Homer Simpson comments on religion:
-"..and all they ask for is a little bit of blind fate."

how wonderful,
thank you everyone, you made it to the new chapter, i told ya!

of course,
there is room for more..

Dunge,
just go away, dont you realize how silly look?

Oct 2, 2008
>>"The
|| sentence I said you quoted was not
meant to you but
to >>>>>>>>> Ylisar."
- yes, of course,
and thats why i said: >"..so, why don't you two just go and discuss that somewhere else?"

>>"Now what do you think look the more silly?"
- what in the world are you doing?
if you get formatting screwed like that then check you browser, i tested it on IE, Opera and Firefox on Linux and Windows so i can assure you that it is YOU who look silly

>>"But I can assure you WE TRIED IT!!!"
- you better not use it in commercial products, i told you - too late!

>>"Trying to explain you are strange (and wrong) or writing this way? "
- you're trying to explain something to me?
i do not want to talk to you after all what happened ...go away, how many times i need to tell you, this is my thread here and you are not welcome

you had your chance,
i told you, i explained all the reasons and mistakes even before you made them all ..go away

i report abuse,
someone please get this person from here

Oct 2, 2008
- Ylisar,

>>"Everything which Gaffer writes is easy to do in PhysX.."

- who are you talking to?
- what are you doing here?
- do you not realize that you are wrong?
- whats wrong with you?

GO AWAY, TELL LIES SOMEWHERE ELSE !!

i report abuse,
someone please get this person from here

Oct 2, 2008
>>"I'll probably exit the discussion with the clown. "

- hehee..
and what you quote is 'Bullet implementation'
AND STILL look at the second algorithm - FIVE LINES !!!

..go away you human simpleton!

Oct 2, 2008
Dunge,

>>"Sorry for my last post, but that guy was getting on my nerves. "
- this is insane, what are you doing here then?!
you are in my thread and you are not welcome ..in my thread ok? you are getting on my nerves because you are in my thread, i can not possibly be getting on your nerves because it is you who came here uninvited, insulted me, refused to communicate and is now refusing to leave

Violation, transgression,
intrusion, obtrusion.. occupation, invasion!

THIS IS MY THREAD, GO AWAY!

(you're still amusing tho, but i have to put some drama (alludes) for my book ;-)

Oct 2, 2008
Nigel @ NVIDIA,

how wonderful!

have you noticed that i found quite a few bugs around PhysX design and propose solutions?

* would you agree algorithms i propose address and solve the mentioned THREE problems?
(YES/NO)

*whats your opinion on how they work in practice - visual appearance compared to original?
(DESCRIBE)

>>"There is an expectation of polite and constructive discussion - not insults and chest thumping."
- great,
then you will make sure Dunge and Ylisar do not post in this thread and that i do not get put down for trying to help, right?

>>"No, it is not your thread"
- yes, it is 'my thread'
since i started it and its only fair that the matter in my original post is discussed, is there any logic for you to allow people coming here, insult me and than start talking lies and ignoring me completely even tho i proved them wrong - do yo agree?

Oct 2, 2008
Nigel @ NVIDIA,

do you see now what am i talking about? what is going on?! i proved him wrong, he admitted and now he is just doing some copy/paste to clog my thread, is there any logical explanation for that..

- can you please make them discuss that wrong technique somewhere else?
- public would most benefit if we do not confuse these two techniques, do you agree?

Oct 2, 2008
you remember what i told you before?
>"you are free to clog my thread as much as you would like me to clog your"

you really do not need to believe in anything,
but to be HUMAN to appreciate the universality, truthfulness and SIMPLICITY of such basic philosophical/theological moral principle ..and Occam here agrees with me

anyway, id argue any day,
that's pretty much all you have to 'believe in' - so, basically,
you failing as a human being by failing the most basic human principle:

-"What thou thyself hatest, do to no man." (Tobias 4:15, c. 180 B.C.)

Oct 3, 2008
Nigel @ NVIDIA,

>"do you agree?"
>>"No, I don't. Treat others with some respect, and the result might surprise you."

- what the?
what are you talking about?
almost all of my questions to you were in the yes/no form, what is it you referring to?

maybe this:
>"- public would most benefit if we do not confuse these two techniques, do you agree?"
- if so,
you're WRONG

maybe this:
>"since i started it and its only fair that the matter in my original post is discussed... - do yo agree?"
- if so,
you're WRONG
but i didnt come here to argue with you or anyone, i've come here to HELP you and tell you about these bugs and solutions. whats wrong with you putting me down.. i treat everyone as they deserve, it is not me who needs to correct the behaviour (algorithm), but you and your friends

please.. please, lets clear this up,
call your boss or someone else who knows..
its quite an important issue, so its only fair to address these questions first:

* would you agree algorithms i propose address and solve the mentioned THREE problems?
(YES/NO)
* whats your opinion on how they work in practice - visual appearance compared to original?
(DESCRIBE)

- you can say "thank you"
- you can ask anything
- you can agree
- you can disagree and we can discuss it until one is proven wrong

* but what ever you say, you MUST QUOTE what are you referring to and use ARGUMENTS to support your opinion, NOT GUESSES, NOT ASSUMPTIONS - so we can make it clear for everyone and continue the discussion, everything else is rude, unclear or unnecessary

i can see you,
but you can not see me ..im not one, but many
- and so i represent the public, and this public says: TAKE IT or LEAVE US !

//---"Vox populi, vox dei"

Oct 3, 2008
makiolo,

- hey, thats perfect!
i wish i started to write this book from past to present ..instead, i did it the other way around.. uh, never mind that

ok, i really thought about it, thanks again, and even tried to put it as first quote in the book - it doesnt work for me, i think it would be way too cheeky, because im kind of quite serious about all the subjects in question throughout the book ..but, of course that is no reason not to be humorous about it all!

so anyway,
how about something along these lines:

Agent Ylisar :
- Me... me... me...

Agent Ylisar Clone (Dunge):
- Me too!

Agents Ylisar & Dunge (talking interchangeably):
- Why Mr. Anderson? ..Why? ..Why do you do it? ..Why? ..Why get up? ..Why keep fighting? ..Do you believe you're fighting for something? ..For more than your survival?, can you tell me what it is? ..Do you even know? ..Is it freedom? ..or truth? ..Perhaps peace? ..Could it be for love?

..Illusions, Mr. Anderson, vagaries of perception. The temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself. Although, only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. Anderson, you must know it by now. You can't win, it's pointless to keep fighting. Why Mr. Anderson? ..Why do you persist?

Neo No.7:
- y's#%$@!

Neo No.17:
- Hey, Mr. Agent dude ..don't hate me just because I'm cool!

Neo No.71:
- For the Value and Veracity of such...

Oct 4, 2008
>>"Nobody is obligated to endlessly debate with you, regardless of
whether you're right or wrong... I'm here to request some more civility on this
forum."
- i agree,
actually that is, kind of, my point - why is everyone thinking that i want or require anything from anyone?

nothing you need to do for me ..except to leave me be, everything else you may do for yourself, if you wish, and i even offer to help you there

or, maybe we shall ask 'other public' that makes visits here,
if no one really cares, then fine, i'll keep this for myself and everyone will go back home with few lessons learned.. actually that makes it even easier for me, since the book is done i surely have no more of my own interest in this but to be helpful, therefore i will not tolerate any criticism without arguments, but -with arguments- you can try and piS_ on my head if you like, just watch for the wind..

actually, i look forward to be proven wrong,
equally as i look forward to be confirmed - in either case I LEARN

>"Freedom of speech must be allowed.

[..//.. but everything else should be allowed and encouraged in conversation, we should challenge and question one another in order to improve and get closer to truth - that's what freedom of speech is all about."

//----------------------------------------------------------------

Evey:
- Are you like a crazy person?
V:
- I'm quite sure they will say so. (giggles)

-"Voila!
In View, a humble Vaudevillian Veteran...
cast Vicariously as both Victim and Villain
by the Vicissitudes of fate.
This Visage, no mere Veneer of Vanity...
is a Vestige of the Vox populi,
now Vacant, Vanished.
However, this Valorous Visitation
of a bygone Vexation stands Vivified...
and has Vowed to Vanquish these Venal
and Virulent Vermin Vanguarding Vice...
and Vouchsafing the Violently Vicious
and Voracious Violation of Volition.
The only Verdict is Vengeance,
a Vendetta...
held as a Votive not in Vain,
for the Value and Veracity of such...
shall one day Vindicate the Vigilant
and the Virtuous.

Verily, this Vichyssoise of Verbiage Veers most Verbose."

Finch:
- Can you prove any of this?
V:
- Why do you think I'm still alive?

Genesis, Sunday

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