Fischer confirms 39 victims

DEPOSITION: Convicted pedophile Eddie Fischer talks about his life and his victims in a nine-hour deposition.

Friday, August 20, 1999

By TONY BARTELME
Of The Post and Courier staff


     During a glimpse into the mind of a convicted pedophile, Eddie Fischer admitted recently in a sworn deposition that he molested at least 39 boys - three times the number of victims who filed criminal charges against him.
     During the nine-hour deposition, Fischer also said that he was molested as a child, and that he didn't believe he was a homosexual.
     At one point, he described himself as a victim's "helper friend." He said he paid tuition for another boy to attend Porter-Gaud School, where he taught for 10 years.
     Later in the deposition, he acknowledged, "I was responsible. I was wrong."
     Fischer, 71, taught in Charleston's private and public schools for nearly four decades. In April, a judge sentenced him to 20 years in jail in connection with 13 sexual abuse charges.
     Except for several cryptic comments to reporters and a brief apology when he was sentenced, Fischer had not discussed the allegations.
     But after the sentencing, lawyers for victims suing Porter-Gaud and the Charleston County School District, subpoenaed Fischer and grilled him on his teaching career and his pedophilia.
     A 437-page transcript of the deposition was obtained by The Post and Courier.
     The deposition took place at Lieber Correctional Institution on June 29. Sources say Fischer was animated and cooperative. He described himself as a homebody who has suffered from severe bouts of emphysema for three decades.
     He said that when he was 13 or 14, he went to camp in North Carolina. While there, a camp counselor molested him. "I didn't tell my family," he said. "That may have been sombering, but that is all I can vividly remember."
     He graduated from The Citadel in 1950. In his yearbook, he was voted "Best Bullshooter." He went into business for himself for several years until 1958 when a priest asked him to teach math and physics at Bishop England, a Catholic high school.
     In the deposition, Fischer said that during this time he wasn't really attracted to young boys, and that he had several girlfriends. "I was looking at marriage, to be frank with you."
     Then, in 1960, he transferred to Sacred Heart Elementary, another Catholic school in downtown Charleston, and molested one of the school's students. "I wish I could just say it happened because of this and this, but that didn't work. I mean, I had taken him in, taken him around to the family, introduced him to people and all, and we cut it off."
     Later, he said he molested the boy for more than four years.
     Now 50, the victim has said in previous interviews that Fischer seduced him by suggesting he come to his home and lift weights. The man, who asked that his name not be used, said he used drugs and alcohol for decades to numb the feelings of guilt and shame. He developed ulcers and suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder.
     "I was 12 years old and that was my first introduction to sex," he said during Fischer's sentencing. "At a time in my life when I should have been building self-esteem and building self-confidence, Eddie Fischer had stripped me of any chance I had to lead a normal, healthy, prosperous and productive life."
    
'Pure ignorance'
     During his deposition, Fischer said that he quit Sacred Heart in 1963 to sell insurance. He went back into teaching a few years later, this time at what is now Rivers Middle School.
     Asked if he had any sexual contact with Rivers students, Fischer said, "No, because the school was 100 percent black. Not that I'm prejudiced."
     In 1972, he landed a job at Porter-Gaud, a prestigious private school in Charleston. It was there that his conquests became, as he described in his deposition, "an epidemic, a minor epidemic."
     Nevertheless, he added, "This may sound ignorant, but I never felt I was doing wrong. (I) never thought of arrest when I was doing the things I would do, which is pure ignorance."
     Fischer recalled that in 1973, a parent complained that he had behaved improperly with his son.
     "I said (to the headmaster), 'I don't know what you're talking about' ... And the boy, I went up to him, and I said 'What did you say?' He wouldn't admit it."
     Fischer added: "I understand they (Porter-Gaud) put me on parole (after the complaint). That is not true either. Nothing was ever said ... I had to bite my tongue, and nothing was ever said again."
     During his 10 years at Porter-Gaud, Fischer said he molested the sons of some of his closest friends. He said he took Polaroid photographs of the victims but destroyed the pictures several years ago. He molested some boys just once; he abused others for years. He showed them Playboy magazines and what he described as "stag films."
     When asked if he considered himself a homosexual, Fisher replied, "no, I don't."
     "I don't want to say I'm bisexual because I don't believe in it," he said. "I think that in your lifetime, as you get older, you change ... I think that sometimes you get stuck in a rut ... and some people never get out of it and some do. I think that my mind may have stopped at a place where, for some mysterious mental reason, I did things that I had never done before."
     At one point in the deposition, Fischer said he didn't think he was a pedophile.
     "What are you sir?" asked an attorney.
     "I can't answer that."
     Fischer said it was no secret that he had close relationships with some Porter-Gaud students. He paid tuition for one boy he molested. He said one school official also knew that he took a boy to and from Cotillion on Wednesday nights, and that the student sometimes stayed overnight at his house.
     During the deposition, he said he'll never forget what happened on May 18, 1982. After molesting another Porter-Gaud student, he suddenly felt guilty. "This has burnt a hole in my head for all of these years. And I noticed - I knew it was wrong. For the first time I really felt terrible."
     The boy told his parents, who contacted school officials.
     "I know they wanted me out of there, but they did not want any publicity whatsoever because it might hurt their son," Fischer explained.
     James Bishop Alexander, a Porter-Gaud principal, went to Fischer's home and outlined the complaint. "He said the parents are very upset. In fact, he said the father said that he started to phone the magistrate and have me arrested."
     Fischer resigned two weeks after the complaint, at the end of the school year. A few months later, however, he was back at another school, College Prep, a private school in downtown Charleston that since has merged with Mason Prep.
    
'In a sweat'
     In his deposition, Fischer remembered the head of College Prep asking if it would be OK to call Alexander at Porter-Gaud about Fischer's grading practices.
     "My heart stopped beating. I knew I had to say, 'No, I don't mind at all, sir.' ... And I was in a sweat. He phoned him. I don't know what happened. He came back and told me to go ahead and grade like I graded."
     In 1986, when Fischer applied for a job at James Island High School, Alexander filled out a positive recommendation to the Charleston County School District.
     Alexander committed suicide last year, shortly before he was to be deposed in connection with the lawsuits. Lawsuits filed by Fischer's victims and their parents allege that Porter-Gaud and Charleston County School District officials knew or should have known that Fischer was molesting students - charges that Porter-Gaud and the district deny.
     Laura Robinson, one of Porter-Gaud's attorneys, declined to discuss Fischer's statements. "The only appropriate place to try a case is in a courtroom, not the press," she said.
     During Fischer's deposition, many questions centered on whether James Island High officials knew about Fischer's past.
     Fischer said repeatedly that district officials never asked why he left Porter-Gaud. In the spring of 1997, Gregg Meyers, an attorney for several of Fischer's victims, sent a letter to then-superintendent Chip Zullinger charging that Fischer was a pedophile.
     According to Fischer's deposition testimony, when the then-James Island High School principal, who has since died of a heart attack, heard about the allegations, he went to see Fischer, an old friend, and vowed to defend him.
     "He would even put off his retirement for a whole year until January if I would stay and we would fight it," Fischer said. He remembers the principal saying, "I know this is not true. I feel these people are trying to get you."
     An attorney asked: "Did he ever say, 'Eddie Fischer, is it true?' "
     "No, because the conversation was, 'I know this is not true,' " Fischer replied.
     Fischer was arrested in October 1997. That year he also molested a 15-year-old high school student.
    
Victims' response
     During the deposition, Fischer sometimes seemed defiant. He called one victim a "pathological liar."
     "It happened. We happened, but not the way he says and what happened," Fischer said. "... But here they are with wives and all now. They have to make me look like a villain and they look like the little saint, which I can understand. I have no problem with that."
     Some of Fischer's responses angered victims who have read the transcript, Meyers said.
     "Their reaction is that it is good that Mr. Fischer acknowledged molesting so many victims," he said. "But it's unfortunate that he still doesn't understand that his role in victimizing these children was much worse than he makes it out to be." Several victims felt Fischer sugarcoated some aspects of his actions. "The details of the abuse were nothing like what happened," Meyers said. "He made it seem much more benign."
     During the deposition, another attorney representing victims, David Flowers of Greenville, asked whether some of the victims had cooperated in the molestation.
     "Absolutely," Fischer answered.
     "A 12-year-old and a 15-year-old child?"
     "Yes, absolutely."
     After a short break, Fischer clarified his comments, saying he didn't force himself on the boys. "All right. I was responsible. I was wrong. And I didn't mean to say that, that they were cooperative in the sense that they came on."
     At the end of the deposition, lawyers asked Fischer to confirm that he molested certain students.
     To do so, he was presented with a list of names with numbers next to them. To protect the victims' privacy, lawyers asked him to refer to the victims only by the number.
     "Young man number one, have you ever had sexual contact with that young man," Flowers asked.
     "Yes, I have."
     "On how many occasions?"
     "Many, but I don't have a number."
     This line of questioning continued for some time until he had confirmed the names of 39 victims.
     Near the end, Justin Lucey, a lawyer for one of the victims, said, "It's just totally disbelievable that your associates would not have had a good idea of what was going on."
     Fischer responded: "I have never given that any thought to be absolutely honest with you. I just thought it was a secret ... I think about it now, I can agree with you, yes. But I don't think they did. If they did, they didn't say anything."
     Tony Bartelme can be reached at 937-5554 or bartelme@postandcourier.com.