Session Start: Tue Oct 14 00:05:47 1997
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Ok tonight lecture is just the usual think about type.
You may agree or disagree
but you are expected to discuss if you feel like it:)
k, Godwin. :)
This lecture was written by my great great cousin,
MRS. CORA L. V. RICHMOND in the late 1800's. Some will find
the words speak true while others will question them. As she
stated this is between one's heart and God.
k, Godwin. :)
Lecture has begun
God is the Infinite, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Eternal,
Immortal Entity of the universe; revealed to man in all ages;
under symbols, numbers, and names, which to the nations of
the earth have revealed the meaning of God: whether Jehovah,
Brahm, Allah, God or Lord, each term in its ultimate meaning
is the same.
Lecture has begun
in essence like unto God; therefore all Souls have had and
will have being forever. God and the Souls in the universe
constitute all the consciousness of the universe. God is the
Infiniverse, and the Universe is that which God expresses.
As the Soul is finite that which is expressed by the
Soul is finite. In the circle of finite expression the Soul
bears the same relation that God does to the infinite
expression, except that the laws governing the finite
expression are forever under the guidance of the Infinite.
There is never any change in the relationship between
the Soul and God: the Soul is always finite, God always
Infinite. In essence, the quality of the Soul is like the
Deity, yet no more can the Soul be God than the drop of water
can be the ocean.
perches on a rafter..where he can watch everything......
I know some of this will differ from some people's
beliefs. If so say so
This being clear, the Infinite includes the finite, but
is not the finite; the Deity pervades, surrounds and
controls, but is not the finite entity; nor is the finite
entity God; nor are all Souls God, or parts of God, but "like
unto God." When the mind has once established the correct
idea concerning the relationship between the finite and the
Infinite the thought can never wander from it.
As the Soul is an eternal entity, is a unit from
eternity, so, being immortal, the Soul is not impelled from
the Infinite, it is not a gift from the Infinite, does not
return to the Infinite, is not lost in the Infinite.
The Soul does not depart from nor return to God: the
state of being is always within God: the state of expression
is called existence, and seems to be a departure from the
state of the Soul.
There is never any change in the quality of the Soul;
numbers mean anyway!
yes
I have to say that I don't agree with the fact about
the quality of the Soul never changeing.
state of the Soul.
to, and the matter goes on to higher development, does the
soul satrt again with a new piece of matter at the bottom of
teh arch of evolution?
I would like to hear the whole lecture before I make a
comment
no
but remember
this is two levels the arch of evolution?
the mundane to the oneness from the mundame
comment
but also the other aspect
is that the Soul is GOd
in as much as it is not the ocean
God
but a drop of the Ocean
God does not change
This part I agree with.
well, if soul never dies, is eternal, then why would it
need to evolve, it must be teh matter it inhabits that is
evolving, right?
so Soul does not change outwardly
but inwardly
God does not change
or Tree of Life
Qabalah levels
of involution
and evolution
yes
the matter in that it
through the 10 Rose Cross
on the finer level
and enter the matter
the dense
or crystalized levels
slower
denser
and then make the journey back
nothing can be added to or taken from that which is
absolute; whatever the expressions are they are expressions
whose sources are all within the Soul; i.e., the impetus, the
power, the light and knowledge are there, Expression differs
from being as matter differs from Soul.
denser
the soul on the inner level involves
and evolves
but outwardly
from being as matter differs from Soul.
remains
in union with GOd
as a drop of Ocean water
is to the ocean
and evolves
one the union with the oneness
and withing that like an atom
the interaction
of the involution and evolution
as a drop of Ocean water
Father-Mother. God through expression manifests duality in
all forms of the universe, and in revealed attributes.
This duality
is manifest in the visible world
yes, I agree then
on the 4th level
when energy
of unity, absolute
becomes the energy and matter
the salt and niter
which are both divided further into the 4 elements
air, fire, earth and water
The name that in the Orient was known as the Mahadai,
the God-Goddess, has everywhere appeared in modified form
expressing the nature of the Deity twofold; but no one among
the seers and prophets ever made the mistake of supposing
that this twofold expression was other than one God in the
Infinite,
air, fire, earth and water
all my belief
Infinite,
but an interesting one
any more than that the threefold expression as
worshiped in Isis, Osiris and Horus; in Brahma, Vishnu and
Siva; and in Father, Son and Holy Spirit, had other meaning
than the threefold expression of the one Infinite, Eternal,
Omniscient, and Omnipresent God.
THis last quote says a lot. It explains the thesis of
the lecture
the oneness of the drop
to the ocean
and the interaction of the drop
being independent
in its involution and evolution becoming inwardly self
independent of God, not unity
but being God
The Soul represents in the finite what the Deity does
in the Infinite: the nature of the Soul is dual, and the
approach toward expression of the Soul is dual. The first
stage of expression is found symbolized in the "Cherubim and
Seraphim," pictured as heads with wings of light and
countenances illumined with celestial glory, but no material
form.
form.
that is like God, is that of duality, as portrayed in the
Cherub and Seraph, and is by a process that we name
Involution, which corresponds to and is the antithesis of
Evolution, in matter.
form.
The states of involution previous to mortal birth, or
genesis, are not states to be remembered or expressed,
because they can not be known until the return process which
is after the expression in human or outward form; but there
are Angels of succeeding lower degrees, beginning with the
Archangels of the system, and then Angels of the planet on
which the Soul is to find expression, who take charge of this
involution, as there are those who take charg
involution, as there are those who take charg
asleep
or thinking?
listening
*thinking*
listening
ok:)
* GrayMind is absorbing.
Thus by degrees the Soul approaches expression in the
outward form: not suddenly from the Celestial to mortal life,
not suddenly from the Soul to the body, but through stages of
descent.
The typical Garden of Eden was made the first
expression in human life, i.e.: the typical contact of the
Soul with matter. Adam being the man of earth, and Eve being
life; Eve the serpent, the sense surrounding, the human
environment.
descent.
THis is the levels I discussed earlier
the 10 levels
1 being the finer the oneness, absolute, unity, God
10 the lowest being the mundame
when one enters the Initiation of the Nadar
Nadar
meaning awareness or the knowledge of the process of
evolution in search of self being or soul consciousness
The twofold or divided state in matter is simply the
incident of expression: as matter causes the divided
expression of that which is dual in essence, one in Soul, so
when the Soul seeks expression in matter that expression must
always be divided; there is not division in the
evolution in search of self being or soul consciousness
of the Soul for the time that the expression takes place;
these expressions are always man and woman, and the sexes are
not interchangeable.
The state of human expression is called an Embodiment,
of which there are successions. Embodiments begin with the
lowest planetary life (adapted to human expression) and with
the stage that is lowest on the planet which the Soul
approaches.
THis lecture goes hand and hand with the 30 week course
on French ROsicrucianism
taught on Tuesday night at 9 CST
Especially the union of sexes
as one
the division
at the 4th level and finally the reunion
Thus each Soul begins at the beginning of expression.
No one ever graduated as a master mason first; there is the
degree of "entered apprentice," the "fellow craftsman" and
the "master mason:" each Soul enters, as an apprentice in the
earthly expression, the lowermost human state.
this is the level 10 the mundane
lowest level
above it is the lunar astral
earthly expression, the lowermost human state.
mental
etheric
etc
each one getting finer
faster
and more defined
remember above the mundane
one goes faster than the speed of light
since light/time/space does not exist
you can taste color
and see music
all starts to become one
remember above the mundane
expressed on earth, and all must pass through the same
states; upon each planet of a system, all possible phases of
that planet's experiences; so there is no injustice, no
partiality, no different experience; that which one Soul
requires to express in any one planet all Souls must express
who approach that planet for embodiment.
who approach that planet for embodiment.
you learn to make solar
and lunar
energies
they are stored in separate containers
lunar must never touch solar
or solar lunar
as they balance each other and you lose your energy
and lunar
The dual life finds expression in man and woman on
earth, and is always man and woman; the feminine expressing
the feminine, the masculine expressing the masculine; there
is interchange and blending of experiences by one union on
earth, and by the final reunion as the Angel; they make the
journey of the Soul in its dual expressions through the
earthly life, passing through similar states at the same
time, but not together.
godwin?
yes Ageya
as they balance each other,
and you lose your
energy, you become zero?
no
time, but not together.
summer
to gain esoteric energy
this is through the creation of solar energy
through the invisible sun and moon and Saturn
energyt, you become zero?
or lunar
night
summer
is not seen
you must not do the same exercises
of thought forms
the solar energy ones
you store the solar energy
and start on the lunar energy
storing it
if not you lose all the energy
you have worked so hard for during the invisible sun
being present
There are three general degrees of expression, each of
which includes many embodiments. The typical Physical
expression being the first stage; the typical Intellectual
expression being the second stage; the typical Moral or
Spiritual expression being the third stage. Interblending in
the various conditions of human life as the unfoldment goes
on, these stages are all modified to the culmination which
must be comparatively separate;
THis concept above is complex but was discussed in the
French ROsicrucian course
two weeks ago
it is an on going course and anyone interested I will
start over for them from lesson one some day
But remember
that what you see
as the moon and sun
French ROsicrucian course
invisible sun and moon (lunar)
start over for them from lesson one some day
i.e., the mere culmination of physical life never
occurs if there is great intellectual attainment, and the
culmination of the mere intellectual attainment never occurs
after there is any great unfoldment of the spirit, because
when pursuing physical attainment no other aim in life is of
any value to the one seeking expression in that manner.
THis is a lecture that is I agree dificult and may be
read several times
To a physical life typified in Hercules, who was indeed
the representative of man's physical attainment, nothing
could be great but physical power and strength. Man would be
considered unfortunate in that state of expression if seeking
for moral propositions in the place of a strong right arm: so
when nations, as well as individuals, are in the stage of
physical culmination little else is thought of;
i.e. the hiearchy of needs
but when, sometimes, as in certain states it is true,
the physical is merged into the intellectual there is a plain
echo of the physical state in the higher sports, like the
ancient tournaments and amusements.
exactly Laurel
sorta like Maslow
in education:)))
So, maybe we should help raise all those in this
world up their heirarchy of needs - so that they may begin
their paths of self - actualization..
Session Close: Tue Oct 14 01:03:25 1997
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Session Start: Tue Oct 14 01:09:44 1997
*** Now talking in #Ancients
but all of the soul knowledge is secret since the dawn of time
but all of the soul knowledge is secret since the dawn of time
psychoanalysis, I'm founding similar things, but both of them
don't have clear base
not the gospel
what that matter is, what the human mind is, what the
personal state is accompanying the expression, are of no
final importance. Just as adults do not wish to be children,
in the sense that they were children before they became men
and women, just as that state of childhood is merged into the
state of adult existence, so the final expression includes
the preceding states and all expressions are merged in the
Soul possession.
they just say that the basic things are as they are
Soul possession.
But if you truly listen, truly strive, truly blend and
serve and strive for charity
you become one with God in the evolution
they don't give explanation to the most important
things but just saying that they are like they say
and this is the reason for all esoteric schools
observe Pal and listen--it will be shown to you
lost, (excepting the earthly part is cast aside) but is a
portion of the larger individuality, the Soul entity. Thus in
the vast range of experiences you become aware of what the
Soul wishes to accomplish in its expression through matter:
facility over the conditions that pertain to matter;
and this is the reason for all esoteric schools
assist it to blend through service with the will of the soul
the conquest, consciously, over all earthly states, to
the end that, as each state ministers to the state that is
next lowest, all may minister unto others. So when
expression in all embodiments has taken place, when the
experience of earth is done, when very vanquishment has been
made, the greatest of which is the conquest of self, the
Soul,
because of having passed through all the culminations
of all the embodiments of earth, is again united; and this is
an Angel of the earth. The angelic states of earth
constitute the harvest of what has been accomplished in the
earthly expression, and the angelic ministration is to those
who are still in the wilderness of time; these
different ways, yet the meanings are similar
who are still in the wilderness of time; these
listen, remain silent, observe, seek, serve, pray,
meditate, contemplate and be patient this is the Path to
Attainment
states succeed one another in height until they become
allied to Souls in archangelic states who minister to the
higher Angels, and who through them approach the earth at
unusual times.
Attainment
too difficult
it is only through a weak will that man does not
achieve enlightenment
man is far too impatient
Hi :)
remember the great Masters took countless years
to reach enlightenment
wow...long time since ive seen Ancients this full
Eternity includes all planetary cycles of expression,
and there are such intervals from expression to the absolute,
the state of being, as constitute sufficient respite from all
expression. Every Soul is in the absolute state such cycles
or aeons as intervene between angelic, archangelic, and
Messianic states, and the commencement of a new series of
embodiments in another system.
Those are Angels who are perfected on each planet,
having conquered that world. The Soul in its reunited state
as an Angel has expressed all possible degrees, and therefore
has charge over Souls that are still in the state of
expression; when that charge is fulfilled after every
planetary existence, the Soul passes on to another planet.
If anyone can find them read After Death and the
classic Soul WOrld by Dr. Paschal Beverly Randolph
this traveling from planet to planet was quiet popular
in the 1860-90s
planetary existence, the Soul passes on to another planet.
cycles of time in connection with earthly and planetary
expression it would almost be fruitless; although it is
possible to state in numbers the years included in the vast
cycles that intervene between the commencement and close of
expression on a planet,
in the 1860-90s
expression on a planet,
The full number of Souls have approached the earth: all
the Souls are upon the earth and within the heavens of your
planet that ever will have expression here; so that all
embodiments now are of Souls that have been embodied, some of
them many times.
The lower states are represented by the primitive
states of nations now upon the earth; the higher states of
expression now on earth offer sufficient encouragement to
those who are seeking to know what the ultimate will be.
All states of existence having been expressed; all
victories having been attained, as illustrated in the
different conditions of human life upon planets and in the
different degrees of angelic and archangelic states, there is
but one other expression within the possible range of man's
comprehension, or even conception, and that only in some of
its results: the order of Divine Lives that come to the earth
as Messiahs.
worlds, as explained in the sixth regular lesson. These are
Archangels of so high an order that their names could not be
spoken on earth with any knowledge of their meaning.
Messiahs approach the earth in cycles: these are denominated
the twelve Messianic cycles, as there are twelve Messiahs for
each solar system; ;i.e., those who are Messiahs to each
planet of a solar system.
A dispensation is the entire result of a Messianic
visitation, from the birth of a Messiah to the full
culmination of all Souls (as Angels) who belong to that
Messianic cycle; the harvest of a Messianic life.
The Messianic expression of the new Dispensation will
be in dual form, man and woman, typical of the perfect human
state; symbol of the Divine Soul union. Both expressions
will constitute the One Messiah and will have recognition in
the New Life. In the Christian dispensation this is
symbolized by the marriage of Christ and the Church, to which
a superficial and very material interpretation has been given
by an uninspired clergy.
This will be the reconciliation of man to God. (As God
never is other than one with man, but man departs from God;
i.e., from the perception of God.) The new dispensation
brings the "peace" of which the dispensation of Jesus was but
the prophecy.
In ROsicrucianism this is known as the Age of ManIsis
or Man and woman
Isis
being responsible for their own failures
The people of the New Nation will cease to wage war,
will not outrage the "image of God," and therefore will not
outrage God. All this is to come to the children of the new
dispensation when the New Messiah appears, and to all the
nations of the earth when all the Messiahs shall have come.
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Well any questions
what is the procedure fro reaching the higher states of
consciousness in this system of approach?
* GrayMind holds up his glass... Here's to the New Nation!
when the new messiah appears how will one know its
really him?
good question, freestorm.
the process is the transmutation of that which is gross
into that which is finer through spiritual alchemy
ok, what is the procedure for doing this alchemy?
Perhaps WE are all the new messiah
of two minds
into one
ok, how is this transmutation to be done?
daily
but what is the process, how do you replace one quality
for another in this case?
not through potential promises, discussions, hopes,
dreams or sadness for others
but rather one person at a time through kinetic energy
of love
serving
that one who serves another and another
praying for guidance
listeniing in silence to GOd
giving to the poor
aiding the sick
loving your enemy
so it is a process of listeningm praying, serving,
giving,aiding,loving, anything else?
and doing good to those that use and abuse you
bravo
one leads to the other
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HOw does one turn hate to love, what is the process?
example
I have a glass
it is empty
or is it
bravo
it contains air
thing of this full glass of air
as your soul
striving for the divine spark
or soul consciousness
or is it
do you destroy bad
NO
the harder you fight evil
"Clay is shaped into vessels, doors and windows are
carved from the walls, but the usefulness is in the empty
spaces."
the stronger it becomes
so what do you do
you add good
love