Session Start: Thu Oct 02 14:47:05 1997
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the MUST be ONE chakra, disconnected when we became
physical
Itzeo - reminds me of a quote/prophesy from
a movie : "What was sundered and undone, shall be whole- the
two made one!"
That would be from The Dark Crystal, a
favorite of mine - though I saw it in the movie theatre when I
was maybe 3.
<^alex^> according to what I've read about auras that is of
course using the chakras for the whole...when a person
becomes completely balanced the aura tends to be like a
rainbow that shows all connected...and in all the colors
showing as a rainbow of the chakras with the overeteral auric
body becoming more white or golden...
alex... let me throw a monkey wrench in your thought
just for a second, then I will connect it to our chakra
discussion
ever see a double rainbow??
yes!
notice how on the duplicate, the colors are reversed??
yes
but, not only are the colors reversed, there is a
distinct separation between the two rainbows
why?
I've lately seen rainbows reversed where all colors
connect!
<^alex^> hmmm...never noticed the colors reversed...but in what
I've seen of the example it is like a rainbow on either
side...connecting at the crown and base chakra...
wow... neat, itzeo
side...connecting at the crown and base chakra...
between them, you have red/orange/yellow/blue/green/indigo/vio
let/indigo/green/etc
ppl just are so wrapped up in life, they forget to look
up!
related to chakras, itzwo
<^alex^> I saw that effect around the sun once...I was
amazed...had never seen anything like it...
ok...relating to chakras
the colors of the rainbow = colors of the chakras
up!
hmmmm.... in same order?
why the reversal of colors
mirrored, wu
and only one indigo band, not two
hmmmm........ can there be a front without a back
indigo = crown chakra, correct??
yes
not in this dimension, wu, no
k
hence, the hypothesis that the crown chakra and base
chakra need to be connected, as in front/back, but more
closely in this instance, top/bottom
the connection would create a TRUE energy center within
our bodies that would facilitate opening and feeding of all
remaining chakras in the body
would leave no question WHERE that center was
see?
I wonder if what is seen in the rainbows, depends on
who is looking. i.e. Someone who's chakras have begun to
balance & blend would see the blending of the two rainbows....
or is it something which reflects the state of all of us.
Wu_, nature has been trying to give us clues for a long
time, we just haven't noticed in most cases
Itzeo - it seems lately Nature has lost it's temper
with us
or we look, and project a more basal, more physical
meaning to what we are shown
we forget to expand our awareness
it's just YELLING at us now to get our attention,
because subtlety has been lost on most human forms
true
I know
used to be you could whisper to get someone's attention,
now ya gotta poke them because they are so distracted
nature's using same ploy
Shaman.... back to your concept of the connectedness of
that tree image,please?
you wre sayin you had a vision of a tree..green/silver/&
gold
no ordiary tre
yeah.... it came in conjunction with the hypothesis of
connecting the two chakras
it was nearly blinding it was so bright, forgot to say
that... but a comfortable blinding, if you understand
i was just thinking the tree could symbolize chakras in
that it is grounded & it also reaches upwards>>
and it is all connected to itself
yes
you said something about the roots right before my
hiccup here
the tree grows toward the light as well
as do we
well of course the roots & the root chakra corrilate
I've got a quote in a paper I wrote Shaman, that
sounds like what you are saying... hold on I'll get it.
many corrilations there
good symbol
k
yes... energy drawing is accomplished from base to
crown... as nutrients flow up a tree
yeah,
* Itzeo feels like she's working a jigsaw puzzle for some reason
the missing piece..... ok.... who's got it???????? ~%^/
fyi... there will be another Star Knowledge Conference
in Estes Park, Colorado November 21-23
Here's that quote Shaman
When I think of the relationship between the universe
and the human
brain an image that comes to mind is that of a tree--
not just its
glorious crown of branches but also its system of
roots, which may
extend as far into the earth as the branches spread
into the sky. To
me, the branches symbolize the observed universe,
while the roots
symbolize the brain. Both systems are constantly
growing and
evolving, and they depend on each other.(Ferris 71)
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commercial over... back to chakras
;)
shaman.... if you take all the colors of the rainbow,
and mix them, what color do you get?
I realize light and crayons mixing produce different
results
* Wu_Ming loves those giant boxes of crayons.
black
or brown?
*wu* ok..... that would be great....ah... do you play a musical
instrument?
yeah mud
:)
lol
All light together creates white
-> *wu* Not well.
ok..... THAT is what I was getting at
white is the absence of color
black is the absence of color
*wu* i have a synthesizer... but I do not play it well either
it is the color missing in everyone, whatever color it is
but not white light
oh forget it
i need to go back to art shcol
*wu* shaman and I were talking about jamming while ya'll were
here... so... bring something
* Wu_Ming slaps SHAMAN around a bit with an illusory mental
construct.
shaman... in order to figure this out, you'd need to be
expert in lighting for stages, I think
* SHAMAN has to go ...:(
bbl....bye everyone!
primary light colors are different than 'crayon' colors
*wu* we can share our ineptitude
hehehe
oh man... I can see a book coming out of all the parts
of this hypothesis
-> *wu* I could bring my Irish Tin Whistle? Or my accoustic
guitar - though I play the whistle better than the guitar.
bye wu.,ITZEO,wu-ming.,alex.
Take care Shaman!
nice talking at ya, shaman.... thanks!
*wu* sounds great (so far) :))
bye shaman ...i love you!
k
Better practice your music for the retreat
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*wu* Shaman is going to bring his guitar
I needed this, today...
alex?? you still there?
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Itzeo, I am glad we were here for you.
As you are here for us
I am thankful for the insight you provided about the
union of the chakras
:)
I've needed to express lately, and in my 'home' channel,
there has been some 'thwarting' of ideas lately
sad to say
*wu* ok... back to channel
I am working on a book about the Wu Ming
thwarting of ideas?
Wu_, somehow I feel we've only touched surface on this
union
what is the wu-ming, Wu ming?
0,1Wu Ming is a 4,1TAO 0,1concept meaning:
14,1The Neutralization of Duality0,1.
1,14It is similar to the concept of GrayMind.
that much more will come from this and very soon, too
Itzeo, you've certainly given me a new slant on chakra
meditation.
yes, thwarting.... minds set in paths unable to look
around openly
let's see
I'll be outside under my cottonwood meditating tonight,
no matter how chilly it is
cool
That sounds like the people in your 'home' channel
should hear quote 89
89?
-> *H* SAY #thewizardsway I'll reference quote 89 for you now..
I'll reference quote 89 for you now..
Do not assume that you know all. Be contented and
remain empty, and learn to sustain the Beginner's Mind.
k
sheesh... that's practically a motto for me!
zen mind.. beginners mind.... it is me
* Wu_Ming smiles
It is a motto for me as well
and for that, probably why the insight was given to me
earlier today! ;)
Itzeo, you said earlier that you were a born psychic?
You seem a fascinating person, I'd like to know you
better.
I still have one more thing to think about, concerning
the vision of that tree.... I stood to the right of it as I
saw it
Itz.... what implication is there for the underatand of the
connection of chakras?
understanding
* Itzeo reads fluent typo
heheh
good
could be the 'missing link' to totality with the
universe, wu
sometms I mkae mistkases
or could be something entirely different.... food for
thought, tho
* Wu_Ming chuckles.
I agree with the conjecture that the chakras were
probably deliberately disconnected when we became physical
to make us physical, or to disconnect our understanding
to force growth?
are we not always already connected to the totality of the
universe?
are we?? I think not.... not even unconsciously
Well - that is symbolic of the birth of duality ....
Birth of Opposites = Birth of Opposistion.
back to the rainbow hehe
I think that the Duality is illusion.
yes...
agreed
I don't think we can ever cease being both Creator &
Created - but we decided to fool ourselves with illusion so
that we could experience individuality.
trying to think of a way to phrase the sense I have on
duality
That is one of the premises I'm going on in my book.
and relationship
most ppl spend their entire life trying to reconnect
with that energy in one way or another, tho, true?
well put
Itzeo - true
so, how can we be constantly connected??
we sense it... that it is us
Yet, also - they are always connected. We just don't
know it.
I think the link would partly be joined by completing
the Life Chakra... ie.. base connected to crown chakra
how do you keep from knowing Itzeo?
* Itzeo wonders where that name came from????????
by constantly questioning, wu
hehehe.... yes... thats it..
finding premises, theories that counter 'concrete'
formats
the great search is for resistance
not resistance, flow
resistance is a premise that counters a format, you see?
to resist knowing, itz
I heard it nicely put in the book Conversations with
God... We are already in heaven, but we don't realize it. We
have this idea that we have to go somewhere to get to heaven.
So we leave where we are. Thusly, we go through Hell, only to
arrive where we begain - Heaven.
we resist knowing our non-dual self
good point, Wu_
quite the opposite, wu... re resist knowing our duality!
Wu.. I was just discussing that concept the other evening
that is why there's such a gender conflict
ppl don't recognize/accept we are dual, both genders
wu, these ideas are being heard by many people these
days.
genders... hmmmm..... that is not what i mean by duality
without the final connection, the only way we can
experience both genders is to reincarnate in different gender
Become androgenous
* Wu_Ming winks
use it as a physical manifestation easily recognized, wu
gender, I mean
we are more than our sexual gender where duality is
concerned, but the image of gender is easier to grasp for most
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androgenous enough for ya?
itz... you are more female than male right?
* Itzeo grabs neck of tshirt.... looks down.....
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yup
hehehe
actually, I'm both.... sitting here just like a guy would
me too
hehehe
physical body says ALL WOMAN, but I have many masculine
traits (without makeup, anyway)
Well, Itzeo - we are finishing the process of
recognizing the uniqueness of both genders - I think we have
come to see the duality. But that is not the end. Once we
fully know each side of the duality, then we are ready to
bring the back together in union
we are all always both
just a quantative thing
perhaps that is one of the prerequisites to connecting
that chakra?????
Possibly
one of the steps.... comment made earlier was that
simply connecting the chakra parts would be a shortcut
hmm
I dont know enought bout chakras to enter this
my comment was that ppl would miss if they merely tried
to connect the chakra without learning/growing/understanding
before the 'mechanical' union took place
but, perhaps the union itself will create that
understanding??????
I'm not sure I feel comfortable with the idea of
short-cuts on the path towards spiritual awakening
we won't know until someone actually manages to connect
the two
I'm not comfortable, either, Wu.... there's no such
thing as a shortcut to awakening
I got stuck with the bottom chakra..... and am still
there... I love analysis
only a figment of imagination that there is
* Itzeo thinks her throat chakra connected to her fingers for
irc purposes ;)
wu, I recently did a chakra tarot spread.
I had the devil card right at the gateway to my higher
self
hmmmmmm ..... never was aware of the connection there either
that actually makes sense, Wu_
that card symbolizes great changes about to occur, true?
No, that is the death card
well, my deck doesn't have a 'devil' card
The devil card represents illusionary bondage
but to get to the higher self... death is necessary
hmmmmmmm...grabbing them.. one sec
I don't think it is necessary, wu
hehe - Itzeo there are so many various tarot decks
wu - yes, death - change
I consider disidentification with the ego... a death
* Wu_Ming nods
Of course, the ego is part of the whole - and nothing
ever really dies
I take that definition of that card back.....
no... just disidentified with
* Wu_Ming nodsnodsnods
but we fear it like we do death
it can be interpreted as an acceptance of that which
cannot be proved, or the learning of the existence of that
which cannot be proved... an awakening of faith
also, that such experiences can be painful, but the
results are eventually seen to be worth the pain
that doesn't necessarily include death, to me
you speak of acceptance and faith....itz
yes
are these not in the realm of concepts... dualitic
knowledge?
physical words attached to concepts
the map... but not the territory?
can we get there by dualistic knowledge?
* Wu_Ming smiles
our human understanding is so limited by our human form,
that is our biggest problem, as I see it
and the reason, perhaps, so many seek information
astrally thru projection
what do you think, Wu
Let's see, I've pulled up my saved copy of that spread
I did..
I seek information in order to resist being there
being where?
The devil card well on my third eye chakra.
Wu?? are you a seer?
in a state of knowing ... in nondual reality
clairvoyant?
This is a bit of what the it says about the third eye
chakra
no.... a few experiences... but no
The sixth Chakra is the realm of spiritual
realization, intuition, psychic abilities, and awareness of
the Divine. It is not yet the complete union with the
all-encompassing energy of the Universe, but is a highly
evolved spiritual level where the individual is aware of him
or herself as a separate entity who perceives the glory of the
One. Thus, the 'Third Eye,' centered between the brows, which
is able to perceive that which was previously unseen.
Now
Wu_, I meant, sorry... one of you should switch nicks or
something!!! lol
This is what I have down about the devil card.. sorry
for taking up space.
sometimes called the causal level
np
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ok... Gray?? are you a seer?? clairvoyant?
This will take up space - I'll answer that question
Itzeo in just a sec..
The card of the Devil represents those hidden forces
of negativity that constrain us and deceive us into thinking
we are imprisoned by external forces. The Devil is an inner
force within each of us, he is an embodiment of our fears,
addictions, and other harmful impulses. The people chained at
his feet are entranced with the paralyzing fear of his
illusory power and therefore stand still with hopelessness and
a numb appearance. However, the chains hang loosely around
their necks, an indication that freedom is within their grasp
if they can only break free of the hypnotic attachment to the
te
Yes, Itzeo - I am