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Session Start: Tue Oct 07 16:27:36 1997
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Human order is made of rules. The wizard's order has
no rules--it flows with the nature of life.
Anarchy! Woo hoo! :-|
};-D
hi zahrim
Trends, maybe. Never rules.
What rules would you propose Rawn?
no rules--it flows with the nature of life.
Okay. Define "realm" and define "nature"
well...within the physical manifestation, there are
physical laws that govern all physical objects
* Zahrim laughs
I shy away from anything that suggests a definite.
Crystalized beliefs seem contrary to the fluidity of life.
Not laws that you could write down and define.
such as that two physical objects cannot occupy the same
space
like gravity?
I'm talking math & science here. You can't define
either of those things in terms applicible to real life.
Rawn: Well, I've never seen it happen, but I don't
doubt it could.
there are physical laws that cant allow that, even at the
quantum level
Maybe we can learn the rules of this material game we
play - but the game is illusion. Thus, how can we assess the
validity of those rules we ascertain from it?
thinking about creative visualization...we can have
what we want if we visualize it and FEEL it to be true. not
easy though.
I applaud the keeping of the open mind, but if you can
never reach any conclusions/understanding about life, it is
of no use
Rawn: That's very abstract, though. It attempts to
put a seperation where one doesn't exist. Physical/Mental/Spi
ritual.
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* Zahrim waits for the drier to get done.
thank you watcher
Rawn: Does understanding nessecarily have to be in
the form of a law?
Hello, AmanoJaku
hello all
All say hello to, AmanoJaku
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with creative visualization...you have to be VERY
specific...if you visualize freedom...you may find yourself
out of of job, on the street, broke!
Rawn, I don't think life can be placed into any
conclusions. I think it can be experienced, and understood
experientialy.
you may not realize a definate seperation, but there are
different aspects to the whole of the parts that operate
within certain "guidelines"
you have to visualize that fist full of dollars
too...haha
Rawn: Ok, I like that language better. I'll buy
that. *chuckle*
haha
Jackie - {:-D
Jackie: Have you achieved good results with creative
visualization?
and full understanding would be a law, because it would
be "the truth"
freedom is a state of mind, though...wouldnt you say?
when i visualize something.. i sorta see it
sometimes, and sorta dont.. other times i dont see it at
all..
Rawn: Some believe "the truth" is fluid...
thogh much of what is currently understood may not prove
to be the laws they are claimed as
it takes lots of focus and concentration to create by
visualization...i dont have the capacity yet.
Jackie: So you're theorizing? *sigh* Ok.
Rawn, I don't think you can ever come to a full
understanding - think of eternity & infinite - how can you
ever be done?
truths are fluid...but there is only one "Truth"...this
cannot change, it is a singular expression
laws can be broken...it's called miracles.
the truths can and are fluid
Rawn: Have you experienced this one "Truth?"
ever be done?
I have experience of parts of it as it is limited by my
ignorance/understanding
i mean for me to see a certain image in my mind..
and my third eye refuses to open it seems
No, then. Ok. How do you know it exists, then?
AmanoJaku: Get a crowbar. :)
I know it because when I apply the parts of it that i do
know of, it does not change, just my understanding of it does
;)
Rawn: Hmm. We might be shooting at the same thing
here. I'll blather my dogma now:
haha...shoot
AmanoJaku, sometimes we need to realized that perhaps
our spirit doesn't want our third eye open just yet. Perhaps,
we have more to learn in ignorance, before it is time to see
beyond the veils of the physical.
here. I'll blather my dogma now:
same elephant from different views (and different words)
I figure "Reality" is a sort of fractal pattern, and
we're REALLY close. The closeness is all most can
comprehend, and the big picture can't be seen all at once.
Rawn: Which part of the elephant do you have? I've
got his willy. :-P
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Heythere, Maya
* Watcher casts a spell of peace and illumination upon Maya!
hi everyone!!!!!
oh...dont limit yourself like that...just accept the
possibility that perhaps it can be (whether you currently can
see it or not)
hi gray...how are you?
Rawn: Maybe I will, someday, but I'll have to get
REALLY far away.
maya...hiya babes
Maya - I've just had a wonderful weekend
hey rawn :) ((hugs))
where do you have to go?
Today, I'm enjoying the thunder outside.
ooo I love a good electrical storm...especially at night
up at the cottage..with all the lights out
Oh, no place specific, just back away from the part I'm
in. Perhaps ascension or detachment or a hot dog is called
for. *shrug*
yeh graymind went skinny dipping this weekend...
sounds good
well then gray...I guess you had a good time....I assume
you were not alone :)
* Zahrim starts up the bad funk music.
It was a wondreful camp out, with wonderful friends
Stayed up watching for shooting stars with a great
girl named Jessica.
Then, went to the Whole Life Expo the next day.
I was abandoned by my family this weekend....and grateful
for it..hehehehe I treated myself to candles, bubble
bath..mediation, and listening to my new cassette of Deepak
Chopra reciting the Baghavadgita
Maya - OOoooooooooo!
girl named Jessica.
excellent tape....EVERYONE should get it....
it is called Sacred Sounds, Sacred Verse,..I think
So much fun to say. Deepak Chopra..
"Sacred Verses, Helaing Sounds"
* Zahrim just bought the newest Sarah McLachlan CD
healing...sheeesh
Maya - what do oyu know about chakras?
excellent tape....EVERYONE should get it....
Green's the heart chakra. It's at yer sternum
So much fun to say. Deepak Chopra..
* Zahrim nods
* ladynada sneaks back into the channel
I was speaking with someone the other day about
joining the crown & root chakras together..
How?
Kundalini?
We weren't talking about how to do it - as much as we
were talking about what it would represent
(sorry Zahrim)
Or something more autoerotic, perhaps?
I know I'm not that flexible, but...
zahrim: how did you learn about the chakras?
* Zahrim feels his mind spin
Yoga
And books
i learned from books
AmanoJaku: Done much work with it?
yes, but just transmitting energies
I don't remember who I was talking with - but she
seemed to see the joining of the Root & Crown chakras as our
aim in life.
AmanoJaku: I donut understand. Please explain.
well, I think they are already joined :) though if you
are talking about expanding your consciousness to know
that...this I would understand
The union of Spirit & Physical - Heaven on Earth..
GrayMind: You could do that with kundalini. That IS
their aim. Most others just want to align the chakras
properly.
GrayMind: What?
<<<<< Random Quote >>>>>> "We come spinning out of
nothingness, scattering stars like dust." Rumi
<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>
well bringing light into say the green chakra then
sending that green ray up the spinal chord to the indigo
chakra where i create a funnel to transmit love into another
for manifestation or for healing
AmanoJaku: Hmm. Okay.
I've only briefly read about Kundalini - looks like
time to study up on it.
for manifestation or for healing
I think you focus on where your attention already IS
GrayMind: It's not about union of heaven and earth,
really. More about ecscatic union with shiva/sakti.
i just recently practiced a Kundalini Meditation and
attempted levitation
AmanoJaku: Did it work?
Zahrim, please explain.
I think you focus on where your attention already IS
could feel the new circuitry in my brain connecting and a lot
of "almost" working urges
zahrim: i dont think im ready to conciously accept
the fact the I can levitate
GrayMind: Well, depends how you approach it, I
suppose. Some vedics do kundalini.. Anyways, the tantrics
see kundalini as a snake coiled at the base of your spine.
That's siva, who wants to climb up your back to reach sakti.
Oooh - I like the imagery.
the fact the I can levitate
ecstatic experience than a transcendental one, from what I
read.
who said: " A Wise man is: Someone who can live and
express itself on its own.." ???
zahrim: sakti being the crown chakra or higher self?
* Zahrim shrugs
Lao Tzu, maybe?
read.
substituted)
Not really higher...
i was wondering cause i was tought to rise it even
past the chakras up to the higher self
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Hello
no found out in Bridge it was a quote from Powder.
what about kundalini now?
past the chakras up to the higher self
your head, yeah.
DarkWay: What? Is that a kind of pasta? ;-)
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there are 12 chakras I believe...some extend above the
physical vehicle.
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kundalini.. but when i do i feel the difference intensely now
i brought everybunny over from Bridge...haha
Jackie: Not in straight yoga. only 7 there.
So far i'v gotten to the 8th
<^SunBeam> hehhe yeah hiya jackie :)
the 8th is outside the body
Again, not in straight yoga.
dark: gotten to?
Yes.I'v taped.open to
i only know of 7.. and the higher self
*Maya* when the energy in a room is so sparatic, it is difficult
for me to relay my impressions on a topic with much
clarity...I would love to chat about chakras with you sometime
when perhaps it is not so busy
started experienceing streaching of concioussness.it
doesn't happen much anymore
Well
<^SunBeam> bave to go bye for now
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8th is soul i belive. 9 is universe and 10 is union
and knowleg of all.relization of self.
Siva climbing up the spine to reach Sakti... is the
meditational practice similar to the practice of traversing up
the 10 levels of Qaballah?
Doesn't make it any less valid, just makes it
unorthodox.
-> *Maya* I would enjoy that very much.
Kundalini for me is kinda bizzare.It has gone all the
way past brain stem and stuff.but I have no controll on when
it rises
gray: thats how i think of it
GrayMind: Not exactly, though comparrisons could be
made.
there are many perceptions on the idea of chakras...includ
ing a perception of a ONE CHAKRA system
dark: pretend you have control and you will begin to
actually have it
yes shiva silver ensulated cord is a old pratice
Maya: Yeah, the hara. That's mainly Japanese,
methinks.
amano.I can make it stimulat maybe move it but the
hge burst happen when they want to
AmanoJaku...wouldn't a great part of you KNOW you are
pretending?
hara.I remember studying that.It is another name for
kundalini I belive
spiritual center
pretending=creative visualization?
maya: well you do have to seriously belive it
one 2 inch under the belly button also.
-> *Maya* I initialy wanted to see how you thought about how I
could include the idea of joining our chakras together in the
scope of my book. It seems to be another way to represent
the spiritual growth towards the union of physical (root
chakra) with the spiritual (crown chakra)
jackie: right.. or vizualize
DarkWay: Nope. It's the "one point." Center of
balance in martial arts like ninjitsu and aikido.
believe is different than know....though we are good at
believing illusions till it drives us crazy
dark: i havent had a big explosion in a LONG time..
the trick to make it work is to FEEL it to be true, not
actual pretending.
DarkWay: That's the right position, too.
* Zahrim shrugs
yeah.when I was younger I was like reading some 70's
ninjitsu book.Thats were I remeber hara from.spiritual/psysica
l meeting point and center
I must be going. I have to drive for 2 hours or so now.
Seeya
bye Zahrim
*Maya* well...you could think of both chakras having a very
similar purpose....I mean...what comes AFTER the crown...and
what came before the ROOT?
cya Zahrim
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dark: although my reality lately is constantly
shifting and sometimes seems unstable
Better to remain fluid
yeah.My reality has become jagged.with much negitive
stuff happening around me.
-> *maya* good questions...
gray: fluid?
*Maya* it is simply a matter of perspective really
kundalini happens when it wants to I just flow with it
hmmm...there is that fluid againd...time to drink some
reality
*Maya* if you ARE in the CROWN..whats the view
What came before the Root chakra, what comes after
the crown chakra... ?
gray: flow with the soul?
*Maya* if you ARE in the root...whats the view
*Maya* all around
gray: all begins and ends in mystery ;)
*Maya* if you ARE in the HEART
*Maya* etc
* GrayMind smiles.
The root is the first.in soem ulter it is the second
stimulated by the "second" one
AmanoJaku - I meant it is better to be fluid in our
beliefs than to become crystalized.
*Maya* the heart chakra has often been symbolized as the Bridal
Chamber
gray: ahh.. yes ofcourse
after the crown.I belive there is the energy
thing.Soemthing that involves all the energys.then the soul
and then universe
abstract thinking ;) all is one.. the Law is ONE
-> *Maya* I heard a lecture at the Expo on awakening the Heart
Chakra.
u can connect the root to the center of earth
*Maya* probably 98 per cent of humanity is in the lower chakras
-> *H* SAY #thewizardsway Do not assume that you know all. Be
contented and remain empty, and learn to sustain the
Beginner's Mind.
Do not assume that you know all. Be contented and
remain empty, and learn to sustain the Beginner's Mind.
*Maya* yet, many decieve themselves and delude themselves into
thinking otherwise
brb coffee run
* GrayMind thows some 0,5~~~5,0D *COFFEE* 0,5~~~5,0D to ladynada !!!!!!!!
12 chakra.. just like the DNA is supposed to have 12
little spirales.. 7 chakra near the body and 5 in different
universes. (IMHO) Multi-dimensonal beings aren't we?
watcher: i cant help but feel like a beginner ;).. i
am just now realizing so many things ;)
*Maya* the heart center is also recognized as Christ
Consciousness
there are times to BE energy and other times to DO
energy...it takes balance of these two to be successful.
well self relization is the true goal.
am just now realizing so many things ;)
amano.well get back on that goal
dark: the one i seem to drift further from every day
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