The current caricature of Savarkar's original invention, "Hinduttva" he should have taken a patent on that, is so obnoxious that anybody who is always nobody, that is to say no body, no mind, no name, no shame kind of RSS Brahmin hoodlum spitting and shitting all over creation over Hinduttva makes me puke.
The idiot brigade goes on and on repeating their "Muslim" mantra, their "Christian" mantra, what the heck, throw in some British imperial bashing and American imperialist bashing, hashing and cashing on the popularity of what is essentially a true, pure as a driven snow, faultless idea of a regeneration of people of India, "Hinduttva" that is.
Take it from me, I don't like Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, neither do I like Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar and other Brahmin stuck up assholes. It has nothing to do with Savarkar's "Hinduttva." Savarkar was a thinker, a philosopher, an excellent Marathi poet, an acknowledged motivator, speaker of great stature, a terrorist, Mahatma Gandhi assassination plotter and facilitator, a drug addict, a homosexual, a 'has been' in his own land, especially in Maharashtra politics. I still consider him as one of the most prolific writer and consummate orator.
In England, Savarkar studied extreme political theory of Gieseppe Mazzini (1805-1872) a fire brand Italian revolutionary. http://cscwww.cats.ohiou.edu/~Chastain/ip/mazzini.htm
Perhaps many more, http://cscwww.cats.ohiou.edu/~Chastain/contents.htm
Savarkar wrote a book on Mazzini in Marathi and I believe it is still in circulation. Savarkar's aims may be wrong, his terroristic and atavistic attitude, as against Mahatma Gandhi's more pliant, more inclusive and more peaceful, Savarkar came out as a messiah more than Mahatma Gandhi.
Where did Mahatma Gandhi failed and how did Savarkar succeeded is a matter that epics are written. The lack of vision, I think that was a factor. Mahatma Gandhi tried to mollycoddle Muslims to hold them in the freedom movement. As and when Mahatma Gandhi found out that his pleas for communal harmony were falling on the deaf ears, more and more violence was erupting between these two communities, Mahatma Gandhi ought to have paid a tribute to Savarkar as he, Savarkar, had a key to this enigma, riddle, whatever that Mahatma Gandhi could not find a solution to.
What binds members of any society is a glue, invisible glue and Hinduttva is a "Crazy Glue," for all I care. Once a person realizes that there is no way in the hell he can live as an island, that he has to make amends to his peculiar ideologies, peculiar interpretation of religious, moral and spiritual baggage, get along, find common aspects in the diverse and difficult beliefs, he is ready to be part of a union of minds and souls, make it body and soul.
The secularism is a bad word in India. Such pathetic people as 'nanafadnavis, Ahmed Diwan, Mo and bunch of Brahmin rats' asses refer to it in the most vulgar expression. As a matter of fact, Hindu religion is the most widely practiced "Secular" form of way of life. Each cult practices their own version of religious ritualism and yet calls each other Hindu. Is that not what secularism is all about? 'Respect for individual choices,' right or wrong that is what people subscribe to and have been following their own conscious for all the time we know?
That commonness within a diverse society is what Savarkar's Hinduttva was invoking, not the current apparition of Zandewalan dingbats,' wombats,' rats,' alley cats,' street dogs,' donkeys' and saffron goats' "Hinduttva." The patriotism has no color, no taste and no smell. It is transparent. Patriotism of the highest order speaks of the fundamental rights of "all," let me repeat it, "all," that is every 'nobody,' every 'nincompoop,' every 'terrorist,' every 'pious,' every 'careless' person in the country, not just all those who chant, nay, howl filthy slogans such as "garve se kaho ham Hindu hai," or something to that crazy tune.
Thanks to the Hindu dated January 2, 2000 and January 13, 2000.
http://www.indiaserver.com/thehindu/2000/01/02/stories/13020244.htm
http://www.hinduonline.com/today/stories/05131306.htm
Sid Harth..." When Bholu and Ahmed Diwan like two timing, shit shoveling dogs decide what a sovereign free country India should do, I pray for Savarkar's soul and his most powerful medicine to bury, burn these pagans."
Man with a mission wrote:
Hindu revival is not possible as long as its vast majority is discriminated against on the basis of caste and denied equal status in the society and are denied their due political power. A few pussyfeet wielding 'lathis' in their 'shakhas' will not make Hindus strong, instead whole masses must be empowered to bring glory to the Hindu religion. Equality, Justice must be actively practiced in the religion. The corruption in the Indian
society has originated from the corruption in the Hindu religion
of inhuman treatment of their fellow brothers as less than insects and animals.
The issue of revival of Hindu religion is an issue of nurturing and developing an equal and egalitarian mindset. Then you will see the whole Hindu society united and taking on foreign aggressions with strenghts otherwise it will keep bleeding and Hindus would have learnt nothing from their hisory.
DIWAN AHMED ahmeddiwan@home.com wrote in message
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-Hinduism is the only religion that allows freedom to even insects and animals.
-Hinduism is the only religion that allows freedom and autonomy to every aspiring groups - not just in religious sphere, but also in cultural, social and languistic spheres.
-Hinduism is the only religion that provide upward mobility to even insects and animals through its belief in Karma and re-incarnation.
-There is no ideology or theology that has ever achieved equality of individuals or groups or nations or species. Those who talk about eqality only seek to deny upward mobility to all while seeking to atomize humanity and keeping them captive at the lowest most common deniminators.
- Vast majority of people who are subscribers of caste system are persecuted by imported monothestic ideologies and theologies. They are the promoters of mutual persecutions, divide and conquire, pitting one group against another in
the name of equality or redress.
- Corruption in Indian society is a result of protracted ideological and theological conflict between Imported monothestic ideologies/theologies and native culture. Corruption amd exploitation and disharmony are direct result of Hindu Society being forced to deviate from Hindu ways.
Abrhamic monothesim has already given India 1000 years of bloody history and most Hindus are already begining to understand who are the real enemies of Hindus. Hindu religious revival is already under way. You can bark at BJP or VHP or RSS or Hindutva or Hindus all you like. It won't change the wheels of
time one bit.
JoeB replies to Ahmed Diwan:
You Hindutva proponents will fall by the wayside shouting yourself hoarse. The simple reason is that you cannot distinguish between Hinduism and Hindutva. Hinduism is a religion while Hindutva is a political movement. In your muddled head you keep mixing these two and never seem to reach any
logical conclusions. Separation of state and religion is a concept that has been tested and tried successfully in other liberated countries.
You medevial morons should wake up and look around you without your colored glasses. The wheels of time are turning alright and leaving you medivial mindsets even more behind.
Ta Ta!
My dear Ahmed,
You can chant your "Muslim" mantra till holy Hindu cows come home, for what I do not know, they are the worst fed animals on this earth, the reality is frightening. The kind of ding bat, illogical, brainwashed, dogmatic jingoistic dingo dogging, doggone, you do is never going to accomplish the cherished truth in Savarkar's "Hinduttva."
Stop eating that RSS shit, you moron. Every word I say and you say is duly recorded. A smart person sees your sick mind and my vulgarity but in conclusion, they can also witness the lying, cheating, two timing, spin doctoring of the likes of hired guns such as you.
As far as shouting, equivalent to my verbal abuse, you guys take the cake, make it holy Hindu cow patty kind of dried feces cake.
Tell the truth sometimes if not all the times, my deluded dunce of a brother. This is not a brainwash camp of RSS. Nobody volunteers to get royally screwed by the RSS Brahmin dogs. This is a free forum, perhaps, 'free-for-all' kind of raucous forum. Merely shouting louder does not reach all the listeners. You got to add some believable content to your loud talk. Frankly, you ain't got it, both the decibel levels or the sanctity of
contents to your shenanigans.
Grow up bozo, life is short and the journey is long.
Sid
DIWAN AHMED ahmeddiwan@home.com wrote in message
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Just out of curiocity - Since when did you become a fan of Savarkar? I thought you hated him with all your linguistic guts and did not agree with him to say it politely.
Sid Harth wrote:
My good brother, Savarkar would have been very glad at your understanding the Hindu malaise.
Sid
My dear Ahmed,
Savarkar is my brother and always was. I am not one of those wet behind ears, phony baloney Muslim name nincompoops that you are. Son of a bitch, what do you know of Islam, let alone Hindu religion that you chose to unload your ignorance to the world?
I told you long time ago, RSS mother fluffers have squeezed your balls and you bozo are yelling and screaming on the sanctity of that heinous rats' nest ever since.
If you truly believe in the Hindu religion, the best you could do, nay, I insist that you do, is to shut all that crap you throw thinking you are going to be Brahmin's Brahmin. More like Brahmin butt product.
The 'honesty' is what Savarkar lacked. He should have taken a fall and admitted to his homosexual tendencies and the nation would have forgiven him, at least the Poona Brahmin cabal. Poona Brahmins dumped him and he became a zombie ever since.
As far as Savarkar's genius is concerned, you have to read in between his rhetoric, a product of his times. His singular work, 'the uplifting the stain of casteism' was shadowed by his Ratnagiri homosexual scandal. He never recovered from that body blow. Having lost the esteem among the leaders of the community his brave heart must have bled.
People come out of their dark periods and many world leaders have done so. President Nixon, for one became a respected person, once he took a fall, in public and paid for his crimes in office.
Hindu religion provides for such self purification. Savarkar lived, as a child in Nasik, known as the place of Rama's short stay and considered the second holy city after Kashi. Nasik bears many of his earlier attempts to free India from the nasty
British. His 'Abhinav Bharat' organization founded by him at Nasik at the age of 21 became a lightening rod for the young.
Apart from his short stay for education in Poona, Savarkar was truly a native of Nasik. His house, family house just a stone's throw away from a famous Shiva temple popularly referred to as "tiLabhaa.ndeshvara" became holier than Rama temple in Panchavati, at least during those hey days of armed struggle.
With that kind of respect and love that he received at Nasik, Savarkar chose to ignore the religious pressure to come out of the closet on homosexuality. This became a cancer on his social and political life and as he realized and as the society
realized that his magic was gone his life's work became a mere 'glass menagerie,' delicate, beautiful but extremely fragile.
No one wanted to touch him after Ratnagiri episode. What if he admitted and asked for forgiveness when it was due and carried on either as a social reformer or as an elderly statesman? The country would have benefited enormously. His fall from the grace is being ignored by the current generation of Brahmins brat boys. His tarnished image is being refurbished for the movie and TV crowd, let me add, at greater cost, which is shame.
Savarkar and Hedgevar never became friends and Golwalkar guy followed in Hedgevar's footsteps and stepped on Savarkar one too many times. Savarkar himself is on record as saying, suitably paraphrased, that 'RSS would amount to nothing, perhaps, hill of beans.' Boy, was he wrong on that score.
The question is and always shall remain an enigma as to why RSS hoodlums picked up on Savarkar's "Hinduttva," icon? They paid only lip sympathy to Savarkar while Savarkar was alive. Savarkar never approved of RSS tactics, style or hierarchy. He had his Hindu Mahasabha where RSS boys were not welcome.
Those were the days when the term "Parivar," was not coined nor was it accepted. Nasik Brahmins in the first general election had their "Ram Rajya Parishad," not Hindu Mahasabha as a pick of the Brahmin litter, which incidentally, became a political litter, yeah, that too.
Ideas and ideologies are like air. As long as the air is fresh one never notices them till they start stinking. Savarkar's 'Hinduttva' was some fresh air till it became RSS stinking, stagnant, putrid, pitiful apparition which cannot even be compared with the original. In the current stage, Hinduttva
is more like a feces fascist shit, to put to rhyme with Hinduttva, let me do some fancy creative work, "VishThattva." The essence of shit.
Sid Harth..." This RSS shit, 'Hinduttva' totally devoid of any value is being passed as a manna from heaven, that is bunch of bull."
As expected, this hired, make it harried gun, Gungadin, a fake feces fascist, Ahmed Diwan, I used to call him Goebbel of RSS, a con man, spilled out his sour stomach contents.
I asked him how much Islam he knows? The answer is none. I asked him how much Hindu religion he knows? The answer is ditto. I infer that he is a nincompoop, bang! He proves it beyond the shadow of doubt.
This terrorist posts anything, mostly touting, pimping for his lords and masters of Zandewalan cabal. Either he is a fake person, no such thing as real sounding "Ahmed Diwan," or a man of questionabe integrity.
If he has changed his religion lately to Hinduism, I seriously doubt that proposition, the first thing he and his lords and masters would require him to do is change his name, sort of Hinduize it. Apparently, he is not a Hindu.
If he is not a person, he cannot be a Hindu. If he likes Hinduism so much, I love him nevertheless, instead of learning some basic Hindu tenets, principles, philosophies, cult dogmas and Sanskrit scriptures of his liking, he goes berserk on issues he is not familiar with. JoeB banged his Muslim butt. The guy does not know anything about Savarkar, Savarkar's life and failed mission. Ahmed does not care for that kind of footwork. He blasts on Hinduttva which has nothing to do with Hindu religtion, real or imaginary.
This mother fluffer calls me foul mouth. That is a new one. This bastard posted eight hundred articles on any and all newsgroups at the time of Mother Teresa's death and her funeral. Sometimes, when he was not happy with a vulgar expression in the headline, he would change it to more vulgar, more demeaning, more crass, more demented one and post the article all over again, the same day, maybe more than once.
In Pakistan's homosexul killer scandal article, Javed Akhtar is the culprit, I inferred to Muslim homosexual practices. One nice Pakistani advised me that such practices are not unique to the Islam, neither they are allowed or accepted by the religion, in Pakistan or anywhere in the world. I agreed with him on that count. Javed Akhtar is a sick man and like Savarkar he is an exception and not a rule that defines religious practices.
These Hindu James Bonds and bonded slaves like Ahmed Diwan would prefer that living saints like Mother Teresa be damned, even after they are dead and being prepared for their last journeyand dead homosexuals like Savarkar be elevated on the pedestal. It is a holy job for them. On the contrary when I exposed their royal asses, pun intended, in case of Savarkar's acknowledged homosexuality and its ramifications on the politics and culture, these two timig, shit shoveling Brahmin dogs or in case of Ahmed Diwan, Brahmin dogs' pet hound dogs, I am breaking the rules.
Now that is proof positive who is intellectual and who is brainwashed puppy, make it "paapii," as in Sanskrit "sinner."
Thanks to Deja.com archives, here is how I see Ahmed Diwan.
His reply goes like this:
Truly sick. You should get some psychatric help. Pornography and homosexuality seems to ooze from your every thought and from your every expression and from every pore of your being so much so that you are begining to see pronography and homosexuality even in how you perceive every person and everything you hate.
Personally, I feel that if you have to consistantly embelish your thoughts and arguments and accusations with pronography and homosexuality, than it is a sure sign of hollowness of your thoughts and your arguments and what you stand for. An ideal enemy. Politically, I would want my opponents to be just like SID - sick, foul, morally depleted, hollow, empty, unintellectual, infantile, self-defeated. It would make winning a no-brainer.
Keep up the good work. We need you.
Of Minds, Sound Minds and Mindless Diwan
This mother youknowwhater, Ahmed Diwan, RSS shit shoveling moron has lost his mind. This bastard has not done anything but make a mayhem in the name of Hindu religion. That son of a bitch is neither a scholar of Hindu religion or Islam, perhaps scatologist, yeah, that I am sure of.
Talking about being upright, honest, truthful and polite, the charges he makes against me, more like usual feces fascist cop out. Mother fluffing Ahmed has all the right in the world to spew his venom against Muslims, Christians, Americans of various categories, free trade, women's rights, secularism, communism and bunch of topics of which he shows no knowledge, not deep scholarly expertse not even cursory scratching the surface like
superficial knowledge.
I wonder if his brainwashing by the Brahmin bozos of Zandewalan has permanently destroyed his thinking cells.
He makes loud noises, that I admit he is expert in. Making noise, suppressing noise or creating a better product that eliminates noise is what my good brother Amar Bose of MIT is known for. Bose is almost synonymous with intense research and the finest engineering marvels such as his patented loud speakers, receivers, radios and stuff.
Now I don't mind Amar tooting his horn, he prefers not. The essential difference between "Ahmed 'the deluded' Diwan" and Amar Bose is that Amar works his magic by hard work and goes to infinitesimal details in taking all the kinks out of the system before he puts his name on it.
RSS shit shoveling shit worm, Ahmed Diwan, however chooses the opposite. Mother fluffer has nothing to show for his intellectual prowess. The rascal snaps articles and posts them in his name. That I call some dildo fucking.
Thanks to the Economist dated January 15, 2000.
http://www.economist.com/editorial/freeforall/current/index_wb5588.html
Sid Harth..."Son of a bitch, Ahmed Diwan, stop your dildo fucking bad for your mind, body, yeah that too."
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Kanshiram wrote:
Of Sound, Sound Mind and Mindless Diwan
That son of a bitch is neither a scholar of Hindu religion, Islam, perhaps scatologist, yeah, that I am sure of.
Dear KanshiRAM,
I am appalled to hear you screaming at Ahmed Diwan when your own "scholaristic" abilities do not go beyond RSS,Hindu mother f@#*&%r,Brahmin and everything Hindu.
So quit your bitching and keep on swimming with the rest of them in the Hindu feces and sing HIS praises.
Sid replies:
Au contraire, mon frere,
When I chant my "mother fucking" mantra, shit worms such as you come-a-crawling. Halleluhjah! May Allah be praised. When you morons, behind fake ids chant your "Muslim" mantra only worms come crawling out of your southern portal, make it all
the known orifices, you feces fascist faggot you.
Sid
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