
                          A SEED HAS BEEN SOWN

                                   by

                          Sant Kirpal Singh Ji

                              (1894 - 1974)


                     This Q&A talk was given on Feb.
                     23, 1971 in Rajpur, India, and
                     was published in "The Light of
                     Kirpal" (1980; Sant Bani, N.H.)
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February 23,1971,
Morning Darshan, Rajpur

[Question]: Can only the spiritual seed which we have sown here in earthly
life be developed in the Beyond? And then secondly, when we have made no
effort to develop current ability, can we develop then in the Beyond?

[Master]: It will take a longer time there as compared with here. What will
take years to do There you can do here in months. That's the difference.
The seed cannot be destroyed but it can be developed here more quickly than
there in the Beyond. So in man body we have got more glimpses. And in
those cases (in the Beyond), only that seed will grow in which you have
not the slightest attachment to the world. Otherwise you'll have to come
back as the man body and develop It. Do you follow?  A seed has been sown.

For instance in those who have been initiated, that seed has been sown.
It is growing. If you develop here, by coming in contact with That
God Power and all other attachments are cut off, then you are not to
return. You'll have to develop there; but in a longer time as compared
with here. If the seed is sown and you've got hundreds of attachments
here, then you'll have to come back as man; not below the category of
man, that's the point. Scriptures say something but they're very brief;
there are many side issues. Now what I tell you appeals to common
sense.

The man who has got no attachments may not return; the seed will grow
but it will take longer. If a man has attachments, too many attachments,
give and take, here - there, he'll have to come back. The seed has not
grown. If the seed had grown, that would have helped in becoming
unattached. Do you follow? If the seed is grown here, it is just like a
canker in the timber. Outwardly it appears all right, but inside it is
all eaten up, you see. Just the same, the seed is sown.

If you've developed, then you'll be unattached in the inner way. It will
help in that way. Now that point is clear, is it not? That's good.
So that is why it is said: If you're a learned man at the time of leaving
the body, you'll remain learned. You cannot become a Saint by coming out
of this room. You are what you are here. By simply going out of the body,
you cannot become a Saint. You are what you have developed. I think that
appeals to common sense. Does it not ... I ask you? Does what I'm telling
you appeal to common sense?

Yes.

What else, please? Yes?

[Q]: It is said in Spiritual Gems by Master Baba Sawan Singh that if one
cannot quiet the mind by just sitting, it should be done by sheer force.
Now when He said, "by sheer force'; that is not sitting without any effort,
so there's a contradiction there.

[M]: In that book, you read some excerpts from letters which were
originally given in the Punjabi language, not in English. I don't vouchsafe
the correctness of the translation done; do you follow? I've got those real
letters with me, copies, true copies which our Master gave to me. I've got
more copies of them. So that letter "you must sit by sheer force" was
written to one man who said, "I cannot sit." "Well, you must sit; I
order you!" It was for the disciple's sake, you see? Some day you may
say, "I cannot sit." And I will say, "Well, you must put in more time
whether you want it or not." That is what He meant. But if you are
under compulsion there, your whole effort is in the strengthening of the
ego; how can you go on?

The right way of doing meditation is to repose ... So books do not give us
true things, and moreover, when these books are translated into another
language, the true things cannot be properly interpreted. Master gave those
original letters to me only, nobody else. And I kept four copies with me
and returned the others in a very beautiful casket to the Master. They know
the contents. There is no difference of opinion. He said, "Here's the man
who can repeat my words, and tell us what we are to do." By adopting their
very virtues, you become Saints in their eyes. I wish each of you to begin
to live by their virtues. You will have transvision.

So history usually shows when Masters leave, two things start. The one who
is given Mastership (and he never gives to his own children; maybe in rare
cases if anybody is fit) leaves the place. Guru Nanak had two sons; both
started mastership at home, but He gave it to Guru Angad who left that
place and went to some other place. Guru Angad had so many children. He
gave It to Amar Das among us, you see, and the children started their
mastership at home. In all other cases this happens similarly.

So Master told me, "All right, you go. Wherever you go, your Master is with
you and the people will come up. Where there's honey, all bees will come
up." This is but natural. That is the background of why I mentioned those
letters, the original letters in Punjabi. The book was issued in the name
of Baba Sawan Singh. It was His graciousness; He did it. So I told you that
what has been translated in English and printed in "A Great Saint Baba Jaimal
Singh-His Life and Teachings" are the most important of the letters. As for
those not translated by me, I cannot vouchsafe the correctness of the
translations thereof. But, you will get some good out of it because
Spiritual Gems was wonderful writing. Everything that is given in the
original language is to the point. In translation ... what happened to
the Bible? you know. There were so many translations; translations then,
now again more translations. "I give you all herbs and seeds for meat.
Take all the herbs as meat." That's the original translation and we have
seen how it has been differently translated.

"Don't use intoxicants." When President Kennedy was killed, I saw on
television the throwing of wine, giving of that outer intoxication. They
use wine. Instead of the inner intoxication, they have wine intoxication
from outer means. So you see how these things get started. Kennedy's
friend, the owner of fourteen big ships, was initiated by me. He had to
come down to Southern United States after the tour. Kennedy also had a
mind to be initiated, and he was assassinated on the way. He was a good
man in himself, Kennedy. We were talking about his work in our homes.
He was wide awake.

   So, how do all these things come about? There's also reason. Inner
intoxication or coming in contact with the Word within you is something
else. We restrict the use of any intoxicants which give vent to
intoxication outside; the effects are what I've seen on television. For
want of practical people, these things come about from within religions.
So religions say there's God, there's soul, there's manbody. Why all these
different cults and all these different factions? Because they've forgotten
the original thing. Now there's more than 700 cults. Really there is only
religion: re means back, ligio means to bind. To bind your soul back with
God is religion. These are the facts as things were, you see. They have
taken the social bodies as their religion.

   What you can express in the English language, your mother language,
I cannot express exactly in Punjabi. I find I am wanting for words to
express my thoughts from Punjabi into English for want of vocabulary
you might say; there is great beauty in the original words. You know
better than me in English, do you not? There are some words in Punjabi
you cannot express in English. I have got some bit of English; I cannot
relay that I know too much. There are words in the mother language that
cannot be translated.

   When I went to Louisville and gave talks there, one man who is one of
the three most learned people in the world met me. He said, "You're the
only man who has appealed to me so far in life." I don't know much English,
only just enough to serve my purpose,  to bring home something, but it is
not exact. Mother language is something else, is it not? So language loses
in translation. The exact meanings are spoiled, I tell you, are they not?
So men who translate what they have understood from other people who have
interpreted for their own understanding. If they have not known what the
Science really is, they go amiss. -- has translated the Sikh literature.
He has done a little bit better but even then they do not know the
Science. So how can they do full justice to the work?

In the instances I am quoting you, the men who were ignorant about the
Science translated in English whatever they were told. There are so many
changes in the verses of the Bible. I had some opportunity when I was in
service to have a superintendent in my division who was a Christian. He
was a librarian from Lahore, so he brought two of the best books in his
library to me every week. I read through all those books, old literature,
for a year or two. I know that I cannot exaggerate, but I think I learned
more about Christianity than the Christians themselves. This is because
they have not known the basic principles therein. Many people do not know
old literature. It is through this old literature that I got a literary
insight into Christianity. I cannot say that I've known everyone, but
I've had correspondence with teachers and with teachings of other Masters;
so that is why I feel I am an authority in this Work. So God was teaching
me, you see. I studied the Persian language up to the highest standard in
order to understand books of Mohammedan literature in the original language.

[Q]: I remember reading the quotation somewhere, "It is easier for a camel
to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven.

[M]: Yes.

[Q]: Is not a rope going through a needle more logical?

[M]: This means those whose attention is expanded in so many outer
respects, that's all. Translations cannot be taken literally. Those who
know the Science, know. They can express better because it is a matter of
seeing. Those who have seen gave out the right interpretation - which can
only be given by somebody who knows the Science, who has seen. Those who
would like to give out at the level of intellect, cannot do full justice
to It.

[Q]: I know two initiates who in the beginning read -- and they found
contradictions in it and your teachings, very minor ones, but it created a
lot of problems in their minds.

[M]: Yes, I explained that. That is a translation of letters, not the
original. I just issued the jist of all those letters in separate headings
in Baba Jaimal Singh. I did not quote exact letters. Out of those letters
I've got with me, I gave instructions on the particular aspects of
spirituality under different headings in The Life of Baba Jaimal Singh,
you see. There are many things in the original letters - so many letters.
The jist of the letters which pertain to the Science, I gave out in Baba
Jaimal Singh. You'll find teachings there, which are the jist of those
letters written by Baba Jaimal Singh. So I sorted out from the originals
which I had in my possession. So now you'll find differences, qualitative,
you see.  Yes?

[Q]: I was reading -- by -- and I was amazed in one section it says that
the Master gave initiation to over 700 people. And out of that only two
saw light; only two saw light, he said in the book.

[M]: Then here, last day, Master gave to 653 people, all saw. Over 200 had
the Master's Form. There are some who read the charged words. I say the
teachings are the same, the words are the same, but they aren't charged.
So what is the difference? All right, I got a letter from --; he is now a
forerunner of the -- group. He wrote me a letter. "I have got a letter in
which it is written if any man wants inner experience, his life will be
cut short by two years." I've got that letter. Now they're afraid of
asking for any experience. Would you like to have your life cut short by
two years?

   Has your life been cut short? So these things are issued to serve
their purpose. Men do not even know the exact position for meditation.
He wrote me, "Does meditation do anything in the nervous system?" he
asked. I said, "No, man becomes more fresh. It is the bread of life."
Such like people are their leaders.

[Q]: That's a delicate point but several of us have talked it over one
to one. When we hear group leaders, our group leaders, giving really
erroneous information, should we just keep our mouth shut or what can we
do? Just write to You or what can we do?

[M]: Just one thing, one thing I tell you. It is better not to talk in
public where there are the new as well as the old ones. What you have
detected, others may not even have thought of it. Tell him privately,
"This is wrong."

[Q]: It's been done.

[M]: If he does not do it, write to me. That is why I now issued one
circular for group leaders only to determine how far they have understood
the scriptures. With all that, they simply ruminate, never going deeply
into that. As I told you, most of the group leaders get less experience
than you people here. Why? They simply think they are bosses. Some are
doing like that, I don't blame the whole Faith, you see. Truth remains
Truth. If your life is changed, that will appeal to everyone. If I am
working for the same cause and you are working for the same cause, I
consider myself as you are, on the way to perfection. Then why all these
dissensions, one fighting with the other?

[Q]: Then I would prefer not to be a group leader.

[M]: I will tell you, if you become a boss, it is better not to become
a group leader. If you want to serve in the real sense, set an example
and say what you have come to know. Others say, "Master has told me like
that." Why do you act and pose? What things are clear to you - all right,
say. But what has never been clear to you before, and you say, "Oh, I have
seen this and that thing, come follow me," this is not the way up. If
you've become the mouthpiece of your Guru or the Master and be true to
your own self, then it is very good to become a group leader. You have
been chosen for that; to set an example to others. It does not mean that
you should not set an example if you are not a group leader, but the group
leaders should be ideal persons, you see. They should live up to the
teachings to the maximum. If they have not become Masters, they at least
have been on the way for so many years and must have developed by this
time. If they have not developed, then how can they change? Yes?

[Q]: How can somebody be a true mouthpiece of the Master and contemplate
doing His Will unless he has risen above body consciousness?

[M]: Look here, the criterion of a Master has already been given very
clearly in my books. Who can give you some experience, some capital to
start with, more or less according to each man's background? If He can give
you something to start with, there's hope that He may give you more. Then,
regularity pays, and living up to what we are told pays. These Things were
given, as I already told you many times, to those people who lived with
the Master for years. They prepared their vessels for It and then Master
gave something. Now, how can you remain with the Master for long? So He
gives you something the very first day, more or less, of course. Something
to start with; some get say ten talents, some get forty talents, some get
fifty talents, some may get five talents. They get and that will be
developed. So those who develop from day to day get more and more. For
that: blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God. Purity of
heart is required. Now these things are given to you straight off, the
very first day, and you're asked to maintain very strict personal
introspection. Do it. The more you'll do it, the more you'll progress by
regular practice and also by weeding out all failures. There's no doubt
about it. You get something and that has to be developed. Those who are
satisfied without getting anything, all right; why should I interfere?

Those who want It, they get It. If you don't want to come, then that's all
right. If they're satisfied with nothing, that's all right. So that letter
showed "scriptures say two years of life is cut down if you want any
experience." I will show you that letter when we go to Delhi. Religious
experiences stand ... Things of a religious nature stand more definitely
than others. Some facts I cannot give out in books. Why should I want to
create any controversy. Yes?

[Q]: I've been led to believe that you cannot speak for the Master unless
you can get the Master's thought transference directly at the time of your
Satsang.

[M]: Until then, until then, just think of the Master and go on. You're
helped. Thoughts will continue. Thoughts will come of which you would
never think. He'll make a channel of you. If you repose, sit up, go
on-you'll have it. That's a concession to those who are chosen. But
where there's ego ... "I have become a boss" ... You've become the
elder brother, that's all right. You cannot become the Father. I have
given many things of this nature in my circulars. Nobody should stand
between the Master and the initiate. If anybody stands, considers
himself to be husbandlike - he cannot be husbandlike. He can be an
elder brother but cannot be husband or husbandlike, you see. If that
man has little or nothing in his bank and you take what he gives out as
the ideal, you're gone and he is also doomed, is it not so?

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                             Foreword to

                        "THE LIGHT OF KIRPAL"


    "Masters came from time to time to teach according to the
    need of the hour. Masters do say, `There is God.' They never
    say, `we speak'; They say, `He speaks.' They only become a
    channel. They speak what comes, according to the need of
    the time, not what They want to speak. They speak books.
    They speak scriptures; scriptures came through Them, did
    they not?"
                                            - [KIRPAL SINGH]
                                            (January 7, 1971)

At no other time in the recorded history of a Saint have His disciples
been so fortunate as to have had volumes of His exact words accurately
transcribed. These talks are word-for-word transcriptions from taped
talks given in English by Master Kirpal Singh and transcribed according
to His instructions.

    "Whatever is there in the tape, write out exactly. I'll see to
    it. Put it into manuscript form in the exact words and give it
    to me. All those tapes you have got, go through; they will make
    very wonderful books for you on all subjects. I know what I am
    saying, but put it into writing. So many other men who came here
    have had a hundred and one questions, very valuable things on
    all different subjects. So why do I give all of these talks to
    you; why don't I keep them reserved with me? Do you know why?
    I wish each one of you to become like me and even more than that.
    I wish you to progress even more than me. I wish you, each one
    of you to become ambassadors. "

                                       - [KIRPAL SINGH]
                                      (February 22, 1971)

Master's poetical expression of the English language has been left intact
as much as possible. He spoke the language of the Saints which is the
universal language of Love. These talks are written down so accurately
that (barring human error and editing, of course) if one wished to, he
could actually follow the written words with the original tape recordings.

 The Light of Kirpal encompasses three periods of recorded talks.
Unforgettable moments thread through these talks, moments of unparalleled
joy as those fortunate groups from the United States, Canada, Germany,
Italy, and other places absorbed His radiation and listened to His words.

   In September, 1970, Bob Redeen, a professional radio commentator was
allowed, and even encouraged by Master to ask a "hundred and one questions"
at Sawan Ashram, Delhi, India [Talks 2-15]. The second period of talks was
at Rajpur [October to December 1970], during the building of Manav Kendra
(Man Center). In the third period of these talks [January to March, 1971],
also given at Rajpur, Master gives in-depth replies on individual subjects
sparked perhaps by one question. It was during this last period that many
of the talks were being transcribed in India, with encouragement and
suggestions being given by Master.

During this period, we in the United States were also privileged, having
been allowed to participate in the gathering together and transcribing of
the previously recorded talks. Master was supervising this project
Himself and we were given strict instructions from Him as to how to
proceed; but the completed manuscript in book form was not ready for Him
to go through before He left His physical body. He did, however, go
through a few talks Himself before their printing in Sat Sandesh.

   I was a witness once when Master did read one such transcribed talk,
enter a few changes therein, and approve it for printing in Sat Sandesh.
It was in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, December 1972. Master was sitting
on a lounge just radiating; literally aglow with Love. I handed Him the
manuscript of "God Has Entered My House" and asked if this beautiful
talk could be checked for printing in Sat Sandesh. He chuckled and said,
"It is all beautiful; God is beautiful." He went through the talk during
the night and the next morning handed it to Russell Perkins. It was
printed in the May 1973 issue of Sat Sandesh.

   It became evident beginning from June 1974, that Master was giving
us direct clues about His imminent departure. But it wasn't until after
He left His physical body that we were able to comprehend what He was
telling us. For many months He had been turning over much work to
Reno Sirrine, head of Ruhani Satsang, Divine Science of the Soul, here
in the United States. The final checking and approval of manuscripts
before printing was one of the jobs assigned to Reno. Reno was being
sent copies of manuscripts and was encouraging our efforts all along
until he left his physical frame.

   Mr. Sirrine, in compliance with Master's instructions not to print
anything of a controversial nature about other persons or religious
bodies, etc., had requested deletion of names of controversial persons,
such as leaders, organizations, etc., the knowledge of which could not
help us in our spiritual development. Our spiritual development was in
fact the prime, foremost purpose of our Beloved Master's earthly sojourn,
His talks to us, and everything He gave out. The love of God manifesting
through Him inspired us to seek Him within, to rise above the pettiness
of the worldly affairs:

    "At least of the twenty-four hours of the day and night,
    spend some time with Him within you. That costs you nothing.
    Does it cost you? Then? You've come from thousands of miles.
    What for? Only to learn these few words. Spend some time
    within you. God says, `I'm within you. Don't make a mockery
    of Me by seeking Me in outer temples.' Is it not a good story
    for you to write?"
                                         - [KIRPAL SINGH]
                                        (February 20, 1971)

    "How can I be pleased with you people, if you don't live up
    to what I say-if you don't put in any time to your meditations
    and be successful there? I'll be pleased, overjoyed, when you
    go up, traverse within. So to live by the commandments is the
    best thing, first step. All else will follow."

                                         - [KIRPAL SINGH]
                                          (March 21, 1971)

He gave us contact with the "Bread of Life and Water of Life" and
declared:

    "That is only the opening. A spring is there, and a little wave
    will be open-you'll go and take a swim. It is just like that.
    But He is not all of the Spring. He is the Mouthpiece of the
    Spring. Water is coming from where it appears to be working.
    After all, the water is coming from the spring, from the
    Perennial Source. All right, then, why should I waste time -
    you want to go in There. Then try."

                                       - [KIRPAL SINGH]
                                        (March 28,1971)

There isn't anyone who has had anything to do with these Talks who
hasn't benefitted in some way; from those who recorded, transcribed,
typed, retyped, edited, retyped, etc., to those who read and "digest."
To His disciples His Words bring sweet remembrance and inspiration to
further put into practice His commandments and seek Him within. Kirpal
has lit the Light within us and still kindles the flame. To those who
have not yet been given inner contact, His Words bring inspiration,
hope and guidance.

                                                - Sharleene Sherwin.

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