3/18/98
Greetings Brethren,

This statement was made based on this Scripture:

IIThes.2:3, Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness [1] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
If there was a pre-trib Rapture wouldn't Paul have told them not to worry because you would meet Christ in the Clouds, instead of saying not to worry because you will see Christ after the man of lawlessness comes.

The "Son of Sin, the Son of Perdition", is the "Pope" of the Roman Catholic Church. It is the OFFICE and the POSITION which shows the AUTHORITY of the PERSON that happens to be SEATED on that Throne at that Time. And the Authority given to the PONTIFF  is not based in Scriptures. The Word of God gives no such Authority to the Office and Position that the POPE has. So the Authority of this OFFICE is only Empowered by men.

For It is an OFFICE, > Was, Is Not, Yet is , Is a succession of People into an Office. Like the President of the USA. The Man that holds the Office of the President, Represents the Authority of that OFFICE. And the Person that holds the Office of the Pope, is said to Represent GOD on the Earth.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that “WAS, and IS NOT, and YET IS”.

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Only a PROPHET sent from GOD has the AUTHORITY to SPEAK for GOD. HE speaks “Thus Saith the LORD” not “Thus Saith Man”. And those called to the Ministry follow the  Teachings of the Prophets. They check their understanding of the Word of God by what the Prophets Have Spoken. They don’t come up with “NEW DOCTRINES”. ONLY the PROPHET is given the Authority to come forth with new doctrines. But those Doctrines in our day will be based on the Already Written WORD. For we already have the Complete Revelation of Jesus Christ, Written down as SCRIPTURES. Anything outside of that is to be REJECTED.

We know that Judas was the Son of Perdition. Jesus knew this when He choose him to be one of the 12. Jesus sent him to Heal the sick and Preach the Gospel to the people. Judas also gathered the money and keep it, which came from believers in Christ. Study this man, what he Represents and you shall see the BEAST, the SON OF PERDITION.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

II Th 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

So the Son of Perdition has ALREADY been REVEALED, only those who are meant to believe will believe, the others will be blinded. So this does not prove that there will not be a pre-trip Rapture, as the Son of Perdition is Revealed, and has been for years. The Falling away has Already happened to. So could it be possible that  the Rapture could have already happened.........    how could you tell.........   and not by saying you would be in it..........    so what would be the proof.....?

Paul
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By tim
(03/18/98)
Paul,
I have a question for you. You say that Judas was the "son of perdition" then why is the "sop" spoken of in a future tense? The son of perdition 'WILL BE" revealed not "has been" revealed.
In Christ,
Tim
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3/19/98
Greetings Brethren,

Tim you asked this Question,
I have a question for you. You say that Judas was the "son of perdition" then why is the "sop" spoken of in a future tense? The son of perdition 'WILL BE" revealed not "has been" revealed.

My response:
Lets take a closer look at Judas Iscariot, and see what the Scriptures speak of this mysterious man, who betrayed God Manifested in Human Flesh.

1. Judas was chosen by the Lord Jesus Christ as one of 12 Apostles, even though He knew who Judas was, and what he would do. Jesus also called Judas Iscariot a devil, and the Son of Perdition. And we know that there is to be Another Son of Perdition Revealed in the End Time. So if we take a look at the First Son of Perdition we can see what kind of person he will be, and what OFFICE he will hold in the End Time.

Matt 10:2-8 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

John 6:70-71 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the Son of Perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

2. What’s interesting is that NONE of the other 11 Apostles knew who or what Judas was. He was not REVEALED to the Apostles by the Lord until a latter time that he was the Son of Perdition. Can you see the Type?

Judas actually held a high position in the Church, for he was the keeper of the BAG, the MONEY. A person has to be trusted to handle money, and even is called the TRUSTEE in the Church. So Judas was a pretty good Hypocrite, and deceived the Brethren of his very nature and intentions. A perfect picture of a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing, A false Apostle, a Minister of the Devil. Even though he could claim, “did not the Lord put me in this Office”? But why was he put into that OFFICE ? To Fulfill Scripture. So Watch the Types Brethren. What Scriptures are to be fulfilled, and by whom, in the Last Days? Is not the Son of Perdition going to fulfill Scripture again?

John 12:4-6 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

3. Now we come to the Time that Judas was Revealed that he was the Son of Perdition. It was at the Last Supper, when Jesus also Revealed that He was The Lamb of God, and that He was making a Covenant with His Body and Blood for their Salvation. And Judas DID NOT partake of this First Communion, but went to the RELIGIOUS LEADERS to have Communion with them about Betraying the Lord of Glory.

The children of the Devil CANNOT enter the Promised Land. They will come right up to that place where a BELIEVER enters in, and will turn Back. They will not become ONE with the Body and Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, because they are Not a Part of that Body. They will not Receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

But Satan’s Children and his Ministers are very Religious, just take a look at his first human child Cain. For it says he was of the Wicked One, and that sure isn’t Adam. And what did he do to his brother Abel ? He killed him, because he Refused to accept the REVELATION that Abel had received from the Lord. They are Very Religious, but their Church is based on Man Made dogmas and Creeds. They REFUSE to Accept the REVEALED WORD of the Hour, and if they can they will Kill those who oppose them. If they cannot kill them, they will try to kill their Influence by saying that they are of the Devil, a false prophet, ect..... which is a lie from the Beast.

John 13:21-30 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake. Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake. He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it? Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

I Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Jude 1:10-11 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Heb 6:4-8 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Heb 10:38-39 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

4. After Judas took the sop Satan entered into Judas, he now was totally Possessed of the Devil. He was always a child of the Devil but was not possessed of the Devil until this time. Satan was now at work using the Son of Perdition to Betray and Kill Jesus the Christ. This shall Repeat! But this time it shall be against the Tribulation Saints, who follow Jesus the Christ. The Son of Perdition shall be used by Satan to incite the Religious Leaders, and the Religious Leaders shall incite the Political Leaders to start Killing those who have sided with the Revealed Word, Jesus the Christ. And at the End they shall turn against Jesus at His Appearing, but shall be destroyed.

II Th 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Rev 13:5-9 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months ( 3 1/2 Years). And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Rev 17:11-13 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

5. When was Judas Revealed that he was the Son of Perdition ? Right before the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and the Old Testament Saints!!!

The FIRST falling away had also happened when Jesus started TEACHING the WORD. Sure they liked Him and followed Him when He healed the sick and cast out Demons. But when it came to DOCTRINE they REFUSED to listen ! It went against their Man Made Doctrines, and what they thought was Truth. So they turned their backs on Him, and said He was a False Prophet. Once again the Children of Cain Refusing to Believe the REVELATION of the HOUR. And this has Happened again in our day. The People has Turned their backs on the REVELATION of the True Word of God and has accepted Man Made Doctrines. They Have Itching Ears that ONLY want to here what they want to here. And Satan has given them Ministers that will tell them what they want to here! And they will follow Satan and his Church into Perdition were they will be destroyed. They will believe his LIE.

John 6:59-67 These things said he in the synagogue, as he “TAUGHT” in Capernaum. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

6. So as I said The "Son of Sin, the Son of Perdition", is the "Pope" of the Roman Catholic Church. It is the OFFICE and the POSITION which shows the AUTHORITY of the PERSON that happens to be SEATED on that Throne at that Time.

And the Authority given to the PONTIFF is not based in Scriptures. The Word of God gives no such Authority to the Office and Position that the POPE has. So the Authority of this OFFICE is only Empowered by men. For It is an OFFICE > Was, Is Not, Yet is , Is a succession of People into an Office. Like the President of the USA. The Man that holds the Office of the President, Represents the Authority of that OFFICE. And the Person that holds the Office of the Pope, is said to Represent GOD on the Earth. He is the FALSE PROPHET, that speaks in the Place of GOD. And that BEAST is that SYSTEM which upholds his Authority.

To sum it up the 11 Apostles picked Matthias as the 12th Apostle to fill Judas’s Office and Place. The Lord Jesus Christ picked Apostle Paul to fill that Position. And the Roman Catholic Church picked the Pontiff, the Holy SEE, the POPE, to Replace the Office and Place that Judas Held. So the Son of Perdition HAS BEEN REVEALED!

Ps 109:8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

II Th 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Paul
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By shiloH
(03/19/98)
So the Pontiff is the 'son of perdition'? da question is : which one - there 've been so many pOPES? the son of perdition should be 'Sons...' collectively or what?is this son of perdition synonymous with the "anti-christ" or not? what about the one with a wound to the head? some say the head with the wound is not even a man/beast but an empire/system (eg. communism)

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Greetings Brethren,

ShiloH you asked me these questions,

So the Pontiff is the 'son of perdition'? da question is : which one - there 've been so many pOPES? the son of perdition should be 'Sons...' collectively or what?

Response: The Pontiff is in an OFFICE that many men has held. He that was, and Is Not, and Yet is. One needs only to refer to what the Catholics believe to see that this OFFICE is a POSITION in which a man is seen as REPRESENTING GOD.

It is not the individual men that are the Sons of Perdition, but for a time they hold that Office As the Son of Perdition. The man that happens to hold that Office when the End Time Scriptures start unfolding will fulfill the Scriptures pertaining to “The Son of Perdition”, even as Judas fulfilled the Scriptures as the Son of Perdition in his time.

Question > is this son of perdition synonymous with the "anti-christ" or not?

Response: Yes the Son of Perdition and the Anti-Christ are one and the Same. He is also called the “False Prophet”. What makes the Office of the Pope anti-Christ? Well, what is Christ? Jesus Christ is the Word of God Revealed in Flesh. So to be anti-Christ is to be anti-WORD. To Speak against, and to Teach Doctrines Against the Word of God. That is why he is called the False Prophet also. For he, the Pope, sets in the Seat of God speaking as though he is the Mouth Piece of God, a Prophet. That’s why his dictates are received as Doctrine from God, by the people in the Roman Catholic Church. What he says is Gospel, and must be followed or you are a heretic and will be thrown out of the Church.

At one time they would Kill anyone that spoke against what the Pope said. As a matter of Record, (even they confess to this), they Killed 68,000,000 Christians that Resisted that Roman Empire. Does not the Scripture say,

Rev. 17: 6 And I saw the Woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:

Question > what about the one with a wound to the head? some say the head with the wound is not even a man/beast but an empire/system (eg. communism)

Response: The Scripture your speaking of is,
Rev 13:2-3 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

The wound to the “Head” is when the Natural Roman Empire fell, and the healing of the Wound was when the Spiritual Roman Empire raised in its place. The Dragon Always Represents the Strength of the Roman Empire. That’s why the “Roman” Catholic system, the way its Organized is based on the Old Roman Empire. For they indeed succeeded were the Natural Roman Empire failed, and that is they Conquered the World by Representing themselves as the Spokesman for the Christian Faith. They was able to conquer by this Anti-Christ Religion, of instilling Fear into the people, and controlling the people by the False Doctrines that She gave them to drink. And today the Roman Catholic Church is still the Largest Church in the world, and her Daughters ( the Denominations ) which are also Harlots, have come together and have United as ONE. Scripture Being Fulfilled.

There is no doubt about it, we are at the END.

Paul

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