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Subject:RE: response by Abu Kareem to Statement by Seven Organizations
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Selamaleyk,

This is a direct, sincere message from a recent Muslim convert who works as
a leading journalist in the U.S. to all those who have befouled the
Internet, my personal e-mail, and communications of my newspaper with
threats, insults, lies, and a general stream of garbage directed against
Shaykh Hisham and the distinguished Naqshbandi order, in the name of I do
not know or care what.

I will no longer entertain any messages and will no longer accept any form
of communication with any so-called Muslim who engages in these attacks on
Shaykh Hisham or who attempts to draw me or my newspaper into this swamp of
madness.

To you who come from faraway countries and who misuse American democracy to
attack a man of Allah;  GO HOME.  GET OUT OF AMERICA.  IF I RECEIVE ANY MORE
THREATENING MESSAGES FROM ANY OF YOU I WILL TURN THEM DIRECTLY OVER TO THE
FBI.  I WILL SIGN COMPLAINTS, AND I WILL PETITION FOR YOUR IMMEDIATE
DEPORTATION FROM THE U.S. AND THE REVOCATION OF YOUR RESIDENCE OR
CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS.

AMERICA  IS MY COUNTRY, NOT YOURS.  YOU DO NOT BELONG IN AMERICA.  YOU HAVE
ABUSED AMERICAN FREEDOM.  GO BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM ON YOUR WAY TO
HELL.  AMERICA DOES NOT WANT OR NEED YOU AND AMERICA WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU.
I WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU.   I WILL FIND YOU AND HAVE YOU ARRESTED AND
DEPORTED.

THIS IS MEANT WITH UTMOST SERIOUSNESS.  I AM DISGUSTED WITH YOUR VICIOUS
ATTACKS ON SHAYKH, ON MATEEN SIDDIQUI, ETC.  YOU DO NOT ACT LIKE MUSLIMS.
YOU ARE ENEMIES OF ISLAM.  ISLAM DOES NOT NEED YOU.

ALL YOU ARE DOING WITH YOUR CAMPAIGN OF ABUSE AND THREATS IS CONTRIBUTING TO
THE BAD IMAGE OF ISLAM IN AMERICA.

SHUT UP AND GO BACK TO THE GARBAGE BINS IN WHICH YOU BELONG-

YOU ARE INTELLECTUAL TERRORISTS.  

THIS IS WRITTEN FROM SARAJEVO WHERE I AM SUPPORTING THE FREEDOM OF ISLAM
AGAINST FASCIST ENEMIES LIKE YOU WAHHABI SCUM WHO SHOULD GO TO MOSCOW OR
SERBIA WHERE YOU BELONG-

ANY FURTHER HARASSMENT WILL BE REPORTED TO THE FBI.  AND DO NOT CONTACT THE
SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE EVER AGAIN.  I WILL ENDEAVOR TO HAVE YOU BARRED FROM
THE CHRONICLE PAGES.  FOREVER!

BISMILLAH IRRAHMAN IRRAHHIM

SULEYMAN AHMAD SCHWARTZ









 

-----Original Message-----
From: Portia Shah
To: msahib@home.com
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Sent: 3/1/99 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: response by Abu Kareem to Statement by Seven Organizations


Mr. msahib@home.com:

Perhaps you should put your head where your mouth is. And learn Adab
101, since you and your Wahhabi friends seem to have abandoned the
importance of it.

msahib@home.com wrote:
> 
> Dear brothers and sisters
> 
> The crux of the matter is that,  an UN-educated person, especially one

Shaykh Hisham Kabbani is a real scholar and Shaykh, not one who
memorized "bid`a, shirk and kufr" to become a "Salafi" scholar in one
day. He is learned. He has ijaza. He is a Shaykh of shari`a and
tasawwuf. 

Only those who are ignorant will make such arrogant, baseless claims as
you have. Scholars worldwide have recognized his scholarship. What are
your credentials that you call people "UN-educated"?


> who has little or no in depth understanding of world politics and its
> intricacies, one who cannot fathom the harm and dangers of his random
> and non-coherent utterings could bring upon the ummmah should keep his
> mouth tightly shut. Moreover, he represents a handful of people and
has

Perhaps it is you who needs to keep his mouth tightly shut. If you know
politics so well, and you care about the ummah so much, why don't you do
something for it. Shaykh Kabbani has world-wide recognition. EVEN THE
PRESIDENT OF CHECHNYA IS UNDER BAYA WITH HIM. What have you done? And
who endorses you? Even your friends at ISNA, ICNA et al haven't made you
their leader. 

Shaykh Kabbani has been chosen by many many Muslims across America, and
even across the world, to be their leader. 

> self engrandoised his organization by such ominous sounding name as
> SUPREME COUNCIL, which was not elected by the ummah at large to
> represent them. This is not a legitimate organization to speak on
behalf

The Ummah at large holds the viewpoints he propagates... not the
extremist, accusatory viewpoint you promote. His -IS- the SUPREME
COUNCIL; He is an authority in Islamic thought. HE is a real Shaykh, a
real scholar, who dedicated and dedicates his life for Islam. Unlike
your leaders who study Islam for several years and are the real
'self-proclaimed' scholars and leaders. Why don't you look up Muzammil
Siddiqi's history?... In California at his masjid, where he's a
self-proclaimed "leader" there. Why don't you yourself research how he
took over, and whether communities, including his own, across America
recognize his leadership voluntarily. This is leadership? 

And Masha'Allah, we have seen Sayyid Syeed's integrity presented in a
previous issue of The Muslim Magazine. And numerous Muslims have seen
his (and his supporters) character in meeting and/or working with them.

Shaykh Kabbani was chosen to be leader by many Muslims across America.
Not only that, many Muslims turn to him to take leadership of the
traditional Islamic viewpoint in America.

Those who have witnessed the work of other organizations and that of
Shaykh Kabbani, love to identify themselves with him. On the other hand,
those who are jealous have proven themselves unworthy when they did
their best to slander and defame Shaykh Kabbani.

> of Muslims, full stop. So, we must ask most humbly that Mr Karbani
> desists from any public statements concerning Muslims, as he has no

It is YOU who should "desist from any publice statements concerning
Muslims" when you do not even know how the majority of Muslims think or
feel. Many Muslims have addressed their concerns and expressed their
viewpoints to him. The Muslims who identify with his viewpoints number
much more than you and your friends.

Muslims have given Shaykh Kabbani the right to speak on their behalf. 

Nonetheless, FYI, Shaykh Kabbani made clear in his talk that he was
speaking on behalf of "many, many Muslims", and not "all Muslims" as you
assert. Here is a quote from his talk:

"On behalf of the Islamic Supreme Council of America, and many, many
Muslims - because I cannot speak on behalf of all Muslims, as many
non-profit organizations in America do. Immediately when something
happens in the Middle East or that region they send media alerts saying
they are speaking on behalf of the whole Muslim community, which is
completely incorrect. So on behalf of many Muslims, ... "


Was-salaamalaykum.

-Portia Muhammad Shah


> right what so ever to speak on behalf of us - none what so ever.
> 
> By the way, Mr Mateen Siddiqui: please remove my name from your spam
> list.
>

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