Saher de QUINCY IV 1st Earl of Winchester
SAHER DE QUENCY IV, 1st Earl of Winchester, died at Damietta in the Holy Land,
3 Nov. 1219, and was buried in Acre.
He married MARGARETM DE BEAUMONT, younger sister and coheir of Robert Fitz Pernel, 4th Earl of Leicester, and second daughter of Robert, 3rd Earl of Leicester., she died probably on 12 Jan. 1234/5, having been recognized as the Countess of Winchester while a widow Active with Kings Richard and John in Normandy, 1197-1199, he witnessed the pact between John and the Count of Boulogne at Chateau Gaillard, 18 August 1199. On 30 Oct. 1200 he was appointed to conduct William the Lion, King of Scotland, to meet King John; he was present the next 22 Nov. when William the Lion did homage to John. He was captured by the French in 1203 when he and his cousin, Robert Fitz Walter, surrendered the castle of Vandreuil without a fight, but he was in England by 5 May 1204.
When his wife's only brother, Robert Fitz Pernel, 4th Earl of Leicester, died without issue, he was given custody, on 30 March 1205, of the Honors of Leicester and Grandmesnil; by 10 Feb. 1206/7 he was recognized as the Earl of Winchester. He served in Scotland in 1209, and in Ireland in 1210. He was active in the work of the Exchequer, 1211-1213, and Justice, and served as Ambassador to Emperor Otto IV in 1212. He witnessed the charter by which King John surrendered the Crown to the Pope on 15 May 1213, and in June 1215 was one of the twenty-five Barons chosen to enforce obedience to the Magna Charta, having been with the confederate Barons against the King at Stamford.
With the other barons he was exconununicated by the Pope, and early in 1216 he went with Robert Fitz Walter to invite Prince Louis to England; the result was that his lands were seized and later granted to William Marshal, son of the Earl of Pembroke. He saved the town of St. Albans from being sacked by Prince Louis' army in Dec. 1216, was captured by the forces of King Henry Ill at Lincoln, 20 May 1217, but was restored his lands on 29 Sept. 1217 when he returned to his allegiance.
He was present at Worcester in March 12 17/8, when peace was made between Prince Llywelyn ab lorworth of Wales and Henry Ill of England. In 1219 he joined the Crusaders before Damietta.
Children, mentioned by Cokayne or Weis:
i. son d. young.
ii. Roger, d. 25 April 1264; m. (1) Helen of Galloway, m. (2) Maud de Bohun, m. (3) c. 1252 Eleanor de Ferrers.
iii. Lorette, m. Sir William de Valognes or Valonyes of Panmure, co. Foifar, Chamberlain of Scotland, who d. Kelso 1219 [Weis, MCS5, 111A:2].
iv. Orabella, m. Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt.
v. Robert [mother unknown (TG, 5:221-225)], m. HawiseM of Chester.
vi. Hawise, m. after 11 Feb. 1222/3 Hugh de Vere, Earl of Oxford.
Daughter of the third Earl of Leicester, and descended fron Capetian kings of France.
Llewellyn ap IORWERTH Prince of Wales
LLYWELYN AB IORWERTH, the Great, Prince of North Wales, born in Dollyddelan, Wales, in 1173, died in Aberconwy, Wales, 11 April 1240.
It has been said that married first GwenThan of Brynffenigi; she is not mentioned by Peter C. Bartrum.
He married in 1205 JOANN PLANTAGENET, who died at the Court of Aber about 1236, having married second, in York, Yorkshire, England, 19 June 1221, King Alexander II of Scotland. Tangwystl Goch ferch Llywarch Goch was his mistress.
After an apparent falling out, he was forgiven by King John on 25 Dec. 10 John. but an outbreak of hostilities in 1212 resulted in the execution of hostages [A.E. Corbet, 104]. He accompanied his father-in-law, King John of England, on the invasion of Scotland in 1209, and seized Shrewsbuiy in support of the barons in 1215, thus pressing King John to sign the Magna Charta.
Children, by wife Joan Plantagenet:
i. Dafydd, d. 1246; m. Isabehla de Braiose, dan. of William de Braiose, who was hanged by Llywelyn ab lorwerth in Wales 2 May 1230.
ii. Margaret (or Margred), d. after 1268 [ Weis, AR7, 29A:28]; m. (1) c. 1219 John de Braiose, who d. 18 July 1232, m. (2) after 1233 Walter de Clifford IV, who d. Clifford's Castle, Herefordshire, c. 23 Dec. 1263.
iii. Gwenllian Las, d. 1281; m. William de Lacy.
iv. Helen, m. (1) John le Scot of Huntingdon, m. (2) Robert de Quincy.
v. Angharad, m. Philip ab Ifor.
Children, by mistress TangwystlN ferch Llywarch Goch [Bartrum, chart Llywarch Howlbwrch 1]:
vi. Gruffudd, d. 1244; m. three times; he took the side of disloyal barons, was taken prisoner and died while trying to escape from the Tower of London.
vii. Gladys Ddu, d. Windsor 1251; m. (1) Reynold (or Reginald) de Braiose, who d. 9 June 1228, m. (2) 1230 Ralph de Mortimer.
Joan PLANTAGENET Princess of Wales
JOAN, PRINCESS OF WALES, DAUGHTER OP KING JOHN:
ANCESTRESS TO BULKELEY, JAMES, MELLOWES, WELBY,
WITTINGHAM, HAUGH, AND ST.JOHN WHITING FAMILIES
By Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., M.S., Havertown, Penna.
In the Bulkeley Genealogy (pages 2-12) Mr. Donald Lines Jacobus included a painstaking study of the English ancestry of the Rev. Peter Bulkeley and his sisters, several of whom had American descendants. This included a descent from William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, illegitimate son of Henry II, through the Oharlton family. This descent, brought down through Ingoldsby and James to the Harris family of South Jersey, the present writer put in chart form in the Vineland Historical Magazine, vol. 35, facing p. 88. Subsequent1y the Rev. Frederick Lewis Weia printed this descent in tabular form in his Ancestral Roots of Sixty New England Colonists, line31 (pp. 46-47 of second Edtion, 1951).
Unfortunately, Dr. Weis, in his Additions and Corrections (1956), pp. 2-3, states that in this pedigree the wife of William Mainwaring of Ightfield (who was a Warenne) was a descendant of William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline Plantagenet, and cites Watson's Memoirs of the Earls of Warenne and Surrey as authority. The Watson book is based on Visitation pedigrees and unreliable, but it happens that both Farrer in his Honours and Knights Fees and Clay in his Early Yorkshire Charters have studied this line and shown that any connection of Warenne of Ightfield to Warenne of Surrey is considerably ante the Plantagenet time. There may well be a Carolingian descent here, but none from the house of Anjou.
Through the research of Mr. John G. Hunt of Arlington, VA., a hitherto unnoted royal line has Come to light, stemming from the Charlton family the marrige of Robert Charlton .(b. 1430,d. 1471) to Mary, daughter of Robert Corbet of Moreton Corbet, Shropshire. This line starts with Joan, Princess of Wales, daughter of King John.
Joan, born well before 1200, is probably the most famous of King John's Illegitimate children. The Tewkesbury Annals, written about 1236, identify her mother as "Queen Clemencia." Some have taken this to mean that she was John's daughter by his first Queen, whom he divorced, his cousin Isabel of Gloucester. But against this it should be noted that Joan never inherited any of the Gloucester estates and was never known as the Countess of Gloucester, and her issue never made claim to that title. David Powell, without citing authority, states that her mother was Agatha, daughter of Robert, Lord Ferrers, Earl of Derby. Joan is first seen in 1203 when a charge is recorded for conveying the King's daughter out of England. She was betrothed to Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales, by 15 Oct. 1204, and part of her dowry, the Castle of Ellesmere (which Henry II had used to dower his half-sister Emma when he gave her to David ap Owain) was given to Llewellyn on 16 Apr. 1205. The marriage took place that year or the following. In April of 1226 she was legitimatized by Pope Honorius III.
Joan was well loved by the Welsh and apparently had her father's ear, being frequent peace-maker between England and Wales, a position she continued to hold after her brother of the half blood, Henry III, ascended the throne. Her reputation always stood high, though one black episode stands on the record when she seems to have acted as her husband s accomplice in the destruction of William de Braose who had plotted against Llewellyn. (William s father Reginald had married Gwladys Dhu, Joan's daughter, as his second wife.) William de Braose was hanged by Llewellyn on 2 May 1230 "having been caught in the chamber of the Prince with the Princess Janet, wife of the Prince."
Joan died either on 30 May 1236 (Tewkesbury Annals) or in February 1237 ( Welsh Chronicles) at the court of Aber and was buried in the cemetery on the south aide of the Strand.., with sore lamentations and great honour." Her husband founded a Franciscan monastery at her burial place Llanvaes in Anglesey. The grave was despoiled at the dissolution of the monastery, but the stone coffin, bearing her effigy, was later recovered and may be seen there. [Dictionary of National Biography; Sir John Edward Lloyd, History of Wales (1954 ed.), II:658, 766.]
Her daughter. Margaret was married about 1219 to Jobn de Braose. (First cousin of the William hung jn 1230 by Llewellyn), by whom she had a son William. John died in 1231-2, and she married second, after 1233, Walter de Clifford of Clifford Castle in Herefordshire, who died in 1263. Walter de Clifford had by Margaret only one child, a daughter and heiress Maud. [Lloyd, op. cit., II:658, 677, 766; New Complete Peerage, I:21; II:302; VI:45l-2, note g.]
Maud, daughter and heiress of Walter de Clifford and Margaret of Wales, married first, William Longespee III, Earl of Salisbury, died 1257, by whom she had a daughter Margaret, heiress of her father. She married second, Sir John Giffard of Brimsfield, 1st Baron Giffard, aged 16 in 1248, summoned as a Baron 1297, died 29 May 1299. Maud died between 1282 and 1285 leaving only daughters, and he married second, Margaret, widow of Sir John de Nevill, by whom he had a son and heir, John, 2nd Baron, who died without issue, the estate being divided between the heirs of his half-sisters. One of these was Aelinor. [New Complete Peerage, XI:384; V:639 et seq.]
Aelinor, daughter of John, 1st Lord Giffard, and Maud Clifford, married Fulk le Strange, born about 1267, summoned as Baron Strange of Blackmere 1309, died on or before 23 Jan. 1324/5. She had predeceased him. Baron Strange was a very important man, a field commander of the forces of Edward I and Edward II in Scotland and France, and Serving four years as seneschal of the Duchy of Aquitaine. Among their children was Elizabeth [Ibid., XII:part II:341.]Elizabeth le strange married Robert Corbet of Moreton Corbet, born 1304 and died 1375. Proof of her parentage and of the marriage is found in the Calendar of Papal Registers, Vol. II, p. 229, where under date Ides March 1323 we find: "To Robert Corbet, lord of the town of Morton in the Diocese of Litchfield and Elizabeth daughter of Fulke le Strange, seneschal of the Duchy of Acquitaine dispensation to remain in marriage which they contracted in ignorance that they were related in the 4th degree, and declaring their present and future offspring legitimate. 1 March, Avignon." The relationship between these two is not known to the writer. Robert and Elizabeth were the parents of Roger. [A. E. Corbett, The Family of Corbet (1917), ped. op. p. 368; Eyton, Antiquities of Shropshire, VII:47, 100- 107; X:18l-l9l; IX:323-325.]
Roger Corbet of Moreton Corbet, son of Robert and Elizabeth, died about 1394, married Margaret (died 1395) daughter of Sir Giles de Erdington [Eardiston in Eyton] of Shrewsbury. They had a son Robert. [Ibid.]
Robert Corbet of Morton Corbet, son of Roger and Margaret, Sheriff of Shropshire 1419, died 1440, mararet daughter of Sir William Malory, knt. They were the parents of Mary. [Ibid.)
Mary Corbet daughter of Robert and Margaret, married Robert Charlton of Apley, from whom the descent has already been published. [Ibid.] For the convenience of the reader, a quick summary of the descent from Robert Charlton and Mary Corbet is appended below; for further details, see the references in the first paragraph of this article.
Robert Charlton, b. by 1430, d. 1471; m. Mary Corbet as above. Their son:
Richard Charlton, b. 1450, d. 1522; m. Anne daughter William Manwaring of Ightfield [though her identity has been questioned]. Richard s daughter was:
Ann Charlton,, b. 1480; m. 1500 Randall Grosvenor, b. 1480, d. l559/60, of Bel1aport, Salop. They had: Elizabeth Grosvenor, b. ca. 1515; m. Thomas Bulkeley, b.ca. 1515, d. 1591, of Woore, Salop. Parents of:Rev. Edward Bulkeley, b. ca. 1540, bur. 5 Jan. 1620/1; m. Olive Irby, b. ca. 1547, bur. 10 Mar. 1614/15.
Of this last marriage, a son, Rev. Peter Bulkeley, came to America. A daughter, Dorcas, married Rev. Anthony Ingoldsby, and their daughter Olive Ingoldsby married Rev. Thomas James and came with him to America. Other daughters were Martha who married Abraham Mellowes; Frances who married Richard Welby (their daughter, Olive Welby married Henry Farwell, and they came to America); Elizabeth who married first, Richard Whittingham, and second, Atherton Haugh; and Sarah who married Oliver St. John (their daughter Elizabeth St. John married Rev. Samuel Whiting and came to America). The issue of all the above marriages lived in New England, and the American descendants are almost numberless.
ROBERT DE QUENcY, lord of Buckley and of Fawside died before Michaelmas 1197.
He married first ORABLE (or Orabella), daughter and de facto heiress of Nes, son of William, Lord OF LEUCHARs; apparently they separated. He married second Eve, who survived him and was perhaps a member of the House of Galloway. Eve had been the widow of, or married secondly, Walter de Berkeley, Chamberlain of Scotland.
He apparently went to Scotland in his youth as he witnessed a charter which may date from 1163. He obtained lands in Leuchars, Tranent, Lathrisk, Beith and Nesgask, perhaps through his wife's rights inherited from her mother. He was granted the ancient castle of Forfar by his cousin, King William, during whose reign he made many grants to religious houses and witnessed royal grants in Scotland. He accompanied King Richard I of England to the Holy Land in 1190, was Constable of a force to take aid toAntioch in July 1191, and was sent with the Duke of Burgundy to Tyre to collect prisoners from Philip Augustus that August. He fought in Normandy in 1194 'and 1196.
Children, by first wife:
i. Saher IV, d. 3 Nov. 1219; m. Margaret de Beaumont, dau. of Robert, 3rd Earl of Leicester.
ii. Robert, b. say 1168 [CP, 12:2:748g]; d. before 1232.
Children, listed by Lundy W. Barlow [NEHCS, 112:64], by which wife not stated:
iii. daughter, m. St. Andrews.
iv. Simon, probable son, parson of Leuchars.
Member of Parliament for the borough of Boston.