Log Societal Group: Feb 5, 1997 on challenges Lesson 3
Session Start: Wed Feb 05 20:15:31 1997 *** Now talking in #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o anne [shadrak SOUND] (anne) hi (ingo) hi anne (Tina) hi anne (shadrak) Tina, feel like making four "pictures" to replace my "color coded" image map? (Tina) sure, four pictures of what -) [anne] PING (Tina) are we lagging (shadrak) One each representing health, government, education, and Survivors of Violence. It's a test of your imagination! (Tina) shad, ok (Tina) what about frederick, he mentioned he wanted to do disinformati no (shadrak) They should be 100x100 and grouped into a 200x200 square. (Tina) ok (anne) i think that is a good idea too (shadrak) When Fredrik does something we can worry about it. We can have a 200x300 group with six pictures if we want or any other arrangement that people like. I'd like to keep it easy because I don't think it'll be permanent. (Tina) ok (shadrak) Shall we start the discussion of "Challenge 1" Effective use of graphics or wait? (anne) does anyone know if Liz is coming? (shadrak) dunno (anne) and sal has a meeting (anne) should be here soon (shadrak) sal's not on;line yet according to ICQ (shadrak) online (anne) the challenges sure felt better after getting all the stuff from everyone today, but are we supposed to each do an example too? (shadrak) I sure don't plan to. (Tina) what about (Tina) everyone takes on one thing (anne) and ingo's slide show shows how to have choices of music ;) (Tina) instead of us all doing everything .... we take on one each *** flamingo (flamingo@ad62-100.compuserv e.com) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o flamingo (shadrak) hi flamingo (ingo) you mean we are working on one page similar to the societal page (Tina) hi flamingo (anne) hi (flamingo) Hi everyone! (ingo) hi flamingo *** Liz (~locuse@customs321.ipass.net) has joined #societal (anne) i remember reading about putting the step by step too (anne) hi Liz (flamingo) Hi Liz (ingo) hi Liz (Tina) hello liz (Liz) hi everyone *** Leapin (buzzball@hfx-p75.isisnet.com) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o Liz (Tina) hello Leapin *** anne sets mode: +o Leapin (ingo) Li Leapin (flamingo) Hi Leapin! (anne) hi leapin (shadrak) Are you on our team leapin? (anne) you and your challenges ;) leapin *** ck (~emeraldCi@ts4-222.pacific.net) has joined #societal (Leapin) 16,16.....3,_16,16....3,_16,16...... (Leapin) 16,16....3,(1,o3,)--(1,o3,)16,16..... (Leapin) 16,16...3,/.______.\16,16.... (Leapin) 16,16...3,\________/16,16.... (Leapin) 16,16..3,./16,........3,\16,16.. (Leapin) 16,16.3,(16,.3,.16,........3,,16,.3,)16,16.. (Leapin) 16,16..3,\16,.3,\_\\//_/16,.3,/16,16... (Leapin) 3,...~~..~~..~~.... (Leapin) 3,1 RIBBIT RIBBIT CHURP CHURP (Leapin) hello tina (Leapin) ㎣㎣㎣㎣ anne ㎣㎣㎣㎣ (Leapin) ,럽'`렇,럽'`렇 ,럽'`렇 ,�((( flamingo )))렇,럽'`렇,럽'`렇,럽'`렇 (shadrak) Tina, hold off on making those raphics. Just got email from Chris indicating sh's going to do something. (Leapin) 13124�13124�13124� ingo 13124�13124�13124� (Leapin) hmm shadrak I do not think I would be allowed eeks (anne) oh chris, had to do a whois again on ck (Leapin) hehe anne :) (anne) hi (Leapin) are you all doing okay? (Tina) ok (Leapin) with the challenges? *** anne sets mode: +o ck (ck) chris is ck so no one thinks she is chrisome (anne) we just started to figure it out leapin, and wondering if how to put it together (flamingo) Hi chris (Leapin) anne I know it sounds difficult, but we are confident that the groups are strong enough to survive the experience *** shadrak changes topic to "Challenge 1 Graphics" (ck) hi y'all (shadrak) I don't like most of them..take too long to load. (ck) They don't have to, Tina's new graphic is nice but small (Leapin) did you all check out the PSP graphics tutorials, they are really good, and easy to follow *** shadrak sets mode: +s (ck) I want to leapin, soon as I have time (anne) leapin, i have not had a chance to check them, glad they are good as I need step by step (flamingo) I like graphics but they must load within 1 minute or I click off of the page. (shadrak) msg sal we're in #societal (Leapin) they are very step by step, I was really pleased that such excellent user friendly stuff was out there *** Sal (scav@198.79.43.111) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o Sal [shadrak SOUND] (flamingo) Hi Sal! (Liz) hi sal (ingo) Hi Sal (ck) Tina, can you do me a favor and look at www.excite.com ? (Leapin) well all I must bid you all a farewell, happy creating...I know you will do well as always :) take care (Tina) ck ok *** Leapin (buzzball@hfx-p75.isisnet.com) has left #societal (ck) later Leapin (anne) i put tina's icon on my bio, did a (br clear="all" so would likes folks to see what think of positioning (flamingo) Working with teens and children... you must have nice graphics to interest them in looking at the page. (Tina) chris, what am I looking for (ck) See at the top where there are words and if you move on them they become links? (Sal) get in... (Sal) hmmm (Sal) gee, i was having problems getting in! hi, folks! (shadrak) flamingo, don't you have to balance that with load time? BTW I think 2 minutes is WAY too long. (ck) looks great Anne (ck) No more than 1 minute, optimum 1/2 minute *** Taty (tatyana@198.164.98.173) has joined #societal *** Taty is now known as Tina1 (flamingo) I agree that 2 minutes is too long to load a page... and yes there must be a balance of text and graphics... but the kids won't go to a page with mostly text. (ck) Tina, do you think you could make a graphic similar to the excite one with words like Health, Teens, etc? (Sal) shad, i don't know about that...i won't tarry over the times chris mentioned, but with kids...they really are into graphics... (shadrak) But aren't they also impatient? (Tina1) umm, you want it that small? (shadrak) Is anyone logging this? (anne) i am shad (ck) Sal, if you use icons and jpegs with good compression rates, there is no reason why you can't have lots of graphics and a good load lime (shadrak) thank you ! (anne) will post it on my webpage and send to anyone too (Tina1) teens and kids are impatient but if there is not flash and cool graphics ona page, they're more then likely not to visit it (Sal) they are...but just from the younger ones who happen into campus-lounge, i think that for graphics they tarry... (anne) i would agree with you sal (ck) No, tina, words can be bigger, but do you see what I mean.... *** Tina has quit IRC (Ping timeout) *** anne sets mode: +o Tina1 (flamingo) Also, I've done a lot of Internet training for Teachers and they love the graphics too. (Sal) what page are y'all on? i just got to town and fired up the puter... * anne loves the graphics too now (Tina1) chris, yes, I'll try (ck) I will do the image map tina, if you could do the graphic (Tina1) chris, it's ok I can also do the image map too (ck) Great! * Sal likes tiny, fast loading ones or big ones with very little color depth... (Tina1) I've done them before (flamingo) But Shad, I think that someone that is going to a government page is looking more for text and info... So it depends on the target audience. (ck) Everyone take a look at http://www.e xcite.com/ and see if this would work for us, should tina make one for us? (Liz) flamingo, i agree with you (shadrak) Which graphic on Excite? (anne) the top bar shad (anne) the words and little graphic (Sal) y'all, i noW JAVE A HUge cat in my llap, so excuse typing... *** ingo has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) (ck) The one at the top that says "search reviews city.net ...." *** Tina (tatyana@198.164.98.173) has joined #societal *** Tina1 has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) (Tina) sigh (ck) lol sal *** anne sets mode: +o Tina (flamingo) IMHO, I think that the amount of graphics on a page will depend on the target group. (ck) poor tina *** ingo (a066@dialup2.lambton.on.ca) has joined #societal (Sal) i like that top bar... (anne) so each section will be reflective and different then for the page (ck) True, the health one should have minimal graphics *** anne sets mode: +o ingo (anne) aaargh, still looking thru email to find the lesson, hope i did not accidently delete it ;( (flamingo) Yes, and a page that has a target group of young teens and children will need more. (shadrak) Yeah, I like the top bar. Ought to put it in a frame though :) (anne) NOOOOOOO (ck) lol shad (Tina) ack (Tina) frames :b (anne) and i HATE the new geocities frames (Sal) plot of the ol' devil, shad! (ck) They also put the same graphic at the bottom of the page, it doesn't take any extra time to double load a graphic. (anne) we would each put the top bar on each of our pages if that is navigation tool we decide (ck) If a page is a reasonable size, the 'linking' graphic is always in reach (shadrak) Problem is, it disappears when you go off site. (flamingo) Sal, just dropped her glasses again shad (Tina) a sample of a kind of cool page that might appeal to kids is the http://kidshelp.sympatico.ca/ (Sal) i like bottom!!! why scroll back up to navigate? (shadrak) Think she pinched the cat! (Tina) what about having a set on the top and bottom (anne) but shad, it is very irritating in MSIE not to be able to bookmark ANYTHING or see the source for frames (ck) I always appreciate it when there are links at top and bottom of page (anne) me too chris (Sal) i like that tina...that's what i did on the health thing i started...ju st a return to societal link, not a graphic... (anne) and look how sal did her online refrigerator links at the bottom, very easy to see where you are (shadrak) I always hate it when there are no links on top or bottom. (anne) sal, did you have chance to see tina's new icon for societal tho (Sal) i seldom use the ones on top, but do occasionally.... (Sal) no...i asked earlier where y'all were talking about... (anne) ooooh sorry * Sal will yell next time... (ck) http://www.excite.com/ (Sal) tina's graphic??? (anne) go to tina's survival start from main page (Sal) k (anne) i also put all the links to image map, slide shows, buttons on my social.html (anne) tina's icon blends with different backgrounds too (Sal) that's really nice...i like it...of course, looks like the girl scout logo... (anne) http://www.wwnet.com/~ahartman/soc ial.html (flamingo) What will happen if the link graphics won't show up on all of our pages? (Tina) girl scout?? (ck) To get off the subject, excite now has a News Tracker http://nt.excite.co m/ ...it is free and great! (Sal) girl scouts=girl guides (Tina) oh I didn't know that looked like their logo (Sal) their emblem is now the 3 profiles...in green and white... (anne) tina, can the icon be made just a bit smaller? (Sal) don't think that would be a prob...it's certainly not identical... * flamingo says What will happen if the link graphics won't show up on all of our pages? (ck) I have seen sites where they place text links under the graphics, just in case someone doesn't load the graphic (anne) oh that is a good question (Sal) doesn't survivor's need to be survivors? (anne) we should have both (ck) like this "|health|government|" (Sal) wouldn't alt tags work? (Tina) not really (Sal) k (Tina) some graphics are so small, that you can't read what the alt tag is (Sal) that's true... (anne) tina, i agree with you on that too (ck) alt tags wouldn't help with an image map (Sal) ooooh...hadn't thought about that! (anne) another question, we would need a fifth title for societal main page besides the 4 areas *** shadrak is now known as shadaway (Tina) 5th title? (Tina) I wish frederick would tell us what he's going to work on (anne) or would that be the button separate (Tina) jus so we'd know (anne) to get back to the main page, tina's icon (anne) i am afraid he would have said more if he is really going to do something (anne) once the main idea is in place tho, would just mean changing parts of something if we change areas or add -) [anne] PING (Tina) yeah * flamingo says have we given enough thoughts and ideas about challenge 1? * anne says no we have not *** ingo has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) *** Tina has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) (anne) i will need to try more than one of the areas so that i can learn * ck has to go make dinner *** ingo (a066@dialup2.lambton.on.ca) has joined #societal *** Tina (tatyana@198.164.98.173) has joined #societal (anne) we could have different versions to show via a main page to pull them together (ck) tina you must be getting frustrated (Tina) very (flamingo) Tina, I had the same problem on Monday. (ck) We are in agreement that each topic has different image considerations..ye s? (Liz) yes (Tina) yes (ck) And we are getting close to coordinating color/buttons/bars and background (ck) or at least we are on our way... (flamingo) I think that Challenge 1 was to just discuss our thoughts about graphics... I think we are ok...??? (Tina) yes (ingo) ok, but are we maintaining one commom image for societal (anne) yes i like that idea ;) (Sal) and that is the profiles? (ck) I vote yes (Sal) i like that too...we need some sort of continuity... (Sal) and that emblem is good... (Liz) sounds good to me (anne) unless tina comes up with one we like even better and that would be hard to do (flamingo) I like the idea of the top and bottom link stuff... but much else will take away from what I'm doing (ck) I say that we put the profiles image in one place and everyone link to it...if it changes there is no problem (ck) Same with the link image (ck) I agree with flamingo (anne) tina, did you see my question about if it could be made just a bit tinier (Sal) right... (Tina) what do you mean put it in once place and everybody link to it? (flamingo) Ok... are we talking about the link that Tina already did??? (Sal) oh... (Tina) anne, I can try, don't know if it'll distort th epicture (ck) Ready for challenge 2? (Sal) that uses lots of bandwidth... (Sal) to link to one site from others... (anne) i believe that we should not use the mouseover command in it tho as the other urls will not show up in the status screen tina (Sal) shouldn't we be pc here? (ck) like put icon.gif in irwin's place, the same place the societal page is... (ck) and my page would say "img src="//.....shad's page/icon.gif" (anne) oh * flamingo says please clearify what we are talking about? (Tina) I don't know either (Sal) i really prefer not doing that... (ck) Sal, if we use the same image, the browser will not reload it every time (anne) i think we should each have it on whatever ISP we are doing on our pages (Sal) right, anne...me too.... (ck) Ok, i withdraw the suggestion * flamingo says HELLO... what are we talking about! (ck) two things, the profiles image and an image map that tina is going to make (anne) but it it takes to long, then we can change it, flamingo chris is talking about where you get the image from for the profile (Sal) those who don't have a prob with that can feel free, but i just prefer having all on my site.... (ck) the image map will be like the one on excite.com * ck withdraws the suggestion... (flamingo) Why would we need both the image that Tina has already made and then another link image??? * ck has changed her mind (ck) flamingo, did you go to www.excite.c om ? (anne) you know, that is a good point flamingo *** shadaway is now known as shadrak (ck) OIC, you are right flamingo (flamingo) Yes, I did chris but we don't need both (shadrak) I've been reading to catch up and was about to ask the same question that Flamingo just posed. (Tina) the image I put up because it was said in a message a few weeks ago that we should have an image on all our pages so our visitors would know when they left our pages and returned (shadrak) The image map does the same thing (ck) But if you do the image map, tina, it serves the same purpose (and provides links to all other topics to boot) (flamingo) Tina, what you have is great and works... why do we need more links? (Tina) I don't know (anne) partly this is practice to see how different approaches work (anne) final decision made when we have tried them (anne) and see how they work with the pages (flamingo) I like both Tina's idea and Chris' idea but we need to pick one (ck) The profile only links to one page, the image map will tie all topics together (shadrak) I think the image map approach will prove bad in the long run as we add and change subjects (anne) for now, let's use tina's logo to link with (ck) I only threw out the idea cause we were supposed to make an image map...we can nix it (anne) i think we should try the image map chris just to see it (flamingo) Chris, I would like to see your idea... though (ck) good point shad *** shadrak sets mode: +o ingo (ingo) If you look at the EXCITE head, they have both, they have the EXCITE logo as well as the image map *** shadrak sets mode: +o Tina (ck) I like the profiles image and will probably put it on my page, even if it is not a link (anne) me too chris (flamingo) For my pages it will take away by having them both. (shadrak) Give me a url to link the profile image. (anne) it is at geocities societal now shad (anne) i uploaded it there, and you can copy my line from bios page (anne) my bio (anne) i put it on the left, tina had it on the right (anne) which side is better??? (shadrak) Is that where it will be maintained? (ck) I really gotta go make dinner, see ya all later (anne) tina has hers on her ISP *** ck (~emeraldCi@ts4-222.pacific.net) has left #societal (shadrak) nite Chris * anne asks again, should the societal log be on the left or the right side? (anne) logo icon i meant (flamingo) I'm flexible (Tina) it doesn't matter (Sal) what about top right and bottom left? (anne) but we want people to use the same scheme when they link back to main page (shadrak) Wherever it balances on your page (ingo) I prefer left but I'm flexible (flamingo) I agree shad (ingo) because you start reading at the left (anne) and most of the menus to go back are on the left side too (Sal) true...and i'm left-handed! (shadrak) That explains EVERYTHING * Sal turns her back to shadrak and pouts. (ingo) lefties unite! (Sal) hey, great! an ally! (shadrak) I think it's time to go on to Challenge-2? (flamingo) Let's go shad (shadrak) (I'm middle handed myself) *** shadrak changes topic to "Challenge-2 " (shadrak) Any sites where you hate the graphics? (anne) geocities, new street map (shadrak) I used to hate them on leapin's site, but I guess we can't use that as an example (Sal) AMEN!!! (Sal) has everyone written them??? (Sal) oh, don't know about leapins...talk ing about geo (anne) there are way to way many graphics on that racer rad's homepage from class 821 links (anne) consider the log edited from the line about leapin LOL (Sal) hahaha...i have never been there because of the warnings i've seen that it's graphics intensive! (Sal) hahaha (shadrak) I hate to use sites that are advertising as bad examples; they're trying to make money and that's grubby work at best. (Sal) i hate the sites that have lots of advertising... (shadrak) anne, do you have a URL? (Sal) and try not to ever click on one of their ads..have done it only 2 or 3 times.... (anne) you mean to geoscities shad (shadrak) to the bad graphics example. (anne) brb (anne) http://members.tripod.com/~racerad /index.html (anne) he has taken a lot of them off his main page now (anne) i hate that a lot have those link exchange and other banners at the top instead of the bottom of pages, really ruins TXJunes (anne) i think we should cite hers as a good example of use of graphics tho as I really like it (shadrak) I'm at the first site on Ghatten's list. Sal will love it! (shadrak) The WWW site is http://math-www .uni-paderborn.de/HTML/Dictionaries.ht ml (Tina) I like TheCase sight, it's very clean and and small graphics load fast, looks good (anne) we cannot use racerrads as an example any more shadra (shadrak) URL Tina? (Tina) http://www.thecase.com/thecase/ (Sal) hey, shad, they have a noframes version! how nice! (Sal) do y'all understand why people use those banners? what's the point...i know it's to increase traffic, but does the number of hits REALLY matter that much? i don't see this as a competition... -) [ingo] PING *** Dumped (scav@198.79.43.111) has joined #societal *** anne sets mode: +o Dumped *** Sal (scav@198.79.43.111) has left #societal *** Dumped is now known as sal (Tina) http://filepile.com/nc/start (Tina) that site uses good graphics (sal) i like that site, tina...the case... (Tina) it has a very cool image map (Tina) sal me too (anne) flamingo, let's put that flamingo site down just for fun ;) *** sal has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) *** Sal (~email@198.79.43.111) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o Sal [shadrak SOUND] (Sal) dang... (shadrak) The American Museum of Natural History has a gret interface via graphics. It takes a while to load. (shadrak) The WWW site is http://www.amnh .org/ (shadrak) They seem to be using JAVA in lieu of image maps. *** flamingo has quit IRC (Ping timeout) (shadrak) I would put this on the list of "good graphics" except for its slowness. (anne) tina, file pile is still loading for me, does it usually take that long, *** ingo has quit IRC (Ping timeout) Session Close: Wed Feb 05 21:39:22 1997 Session Start: Wed Feb 05 21:39:43 1997 *** Now talking in #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o anne [shadrak SOUND] (anne) http://www.sci.mus.mn.us/sln/tf/na v/thinkingfountain.html (flamingo) hi tina and anne (Sal) it really is, shad... (anne) i was pasting away and wondered why nothing worked *** ingo (a066@dialup2.lambton.on.ca) has joined #societal (shadrak) Bouncy tonite isn't it? (Tina) yes *** shadrak sets mode: +o ingo (anne) i love the thinking fountain url, my favorite and it is an image map too *** shadrak sets mode: +o Tina (ingo) I somehow feel rejected :( (flamingo) I went that time too ingo * Tina hugs ingo (shadrak) Well we have a couple of good sites, but no bad ones? (Tina) there there (ingo) thanks tina, that helped (Sal) hahaha... (Tina) the thinkingfountain one (Tina) the image map is too big though (Tina) 153K takes a long time to load (Tina) esp on a 14.4 modem (anne) can we put that as a comment then, but still list it? (Tina) sure -) [Liz] PING (anne) i am not getting a ping response for liz (flamingo) Maybe we could all come up with one good page and one bad page by next week to be listed??? (anne) good idea flamingo (Tina) sure (shadrak) Worth a try. (Liz) i am still here anne (ingo) sounds like a step (Sal) that sounds good to me... *** anne changes topic to "Challenge-3" (Sal) here's one that just bugs me to no end...http://www2.netdoor.com/~rcollin s/ms.html (flamingo) Has Challenge 3 been covered by chris? (Tina) I'm looking down the list of challenges (Sal) it's mainly the background... (Tina) I think chris did an excellent job of covering #3 (Tina) gifs vs jpegs (flamingo) So do I tina (Tina) and the PNG one (shadrak) And we've covered 4 tonight. (anne) we can point to the tutorials, do we need a quick summary of the ideas (flamingo) I agree shad (Tina) yes (anne) what about the color related issue on a page of your choosing, part for #4 (flamingo) Hmmm, was that part of #4? (anne) are we talking about do they blend, contrast, etc (anne) yes after netscape palette and rgb (Tina) no that's #5 (anne) oh sorry (shadrak) It's item 3 of challenge 4 that Anne is talking about. (shadrak) Color related issues to me can range from "Can I read it? to Do I like or hate it (Taste issue)? -) [anne] PING (anne) oh i am lagging and hope someone else is logging please (Sal) right...i think that's true for all of us... (Liz) I am going to have to bid you guys a good night. Its past my bedtime (I rise at 4AM EST) *** flamingo has quit IRC (Ping timeout) (shadrak) Nite Liz (Liz) good bye *** anne changes topic to "Challenge-5" (anne) and we have not really discussed graphics for education section yet, can do that later *** ingo has quit IRC (Ping timeout) (anne) nite liz *** Liz (~locuse@customs321.ipass.net) has left #societal *** Tina has quit IRC (Ping timeout) *** ingo (a066@dialup2.lambton.on.ca) has joined #societal *** anne sets mode: +o ingo (anne) oh i never saw when flamingo left (ingo) what did I Miss *** Tina (tatyana@198.164.98.173) has joined #societal *** anne sets mode: +o Tina (Sal) she pinged out, anne... (shadrak) Challenge 6 is the tough one, but Chris seems to have it covered pretty well *** flamingo (flamingo@ad62-100.compuserv e.com) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o flamingo (shadrak) hi flamingo (Tina) #6 (anne) (shadrak) It's item 3 of challenge 4 that Anne is talking about. (anne) (shadrak) Color related issues to me can range from "Can I read it? to Do I like or hate it (Taste issue)? (Tina) well they want us to choose 6 typs of graphics (flamingo) I think that I missed a few things (anne) flamingo, i will email you the log (anne) let's decide about the graphics each to do (ingo) Anne, could I get it too, please (anne) and use another time to disucss how envision our graphics on pages too (flamingo) anne, thanks (anne) will send to you too ingo (ingo) thanks (shadrak) you're welcome (shadrak) Flaming you have the animated gifs don't you? (flamingo) yes (shadrak) Our page has a background image? (Tina) yes (shadrak) We need a thumbnail, a transparent gif, a bar (shadrak) we have button and banner? (flamingo) My new text graphics are transparent gifs (Tina) you know (Tina) there probably is going to be a combination of all these on all of our pages (Tina) some pages may only have 1 or 2 and some may have more (shadrak) chris is going to do the single pixel. (flamingo) I have done lots of different things with graphics that I will never use... just wanted to try to do them (shadrak) I suggest we put one link on the main page to "lesson3" and then link to all this other stuff from there. (anne) good idea shadrak (flamingo) Sounds good shadrak (anne) and ingo and flamingo both have slide shows (Tina) ummm (Tina) what do you mean put a link on the main page (Sal) busy people! (Tina) do we put all the stuff on the main page and link our own pages to that page (anne) i already have the links listed on my social.html so we can keep adding (flamingo) Sounds good anne (anne) as we get the filenames and where they are (Tina) anne, what is this social.html (Tina) I haven't seen it (anne) http://www.wwnet.com/~ahartman/soc ial.html (anne) that is where i keep adding where everyone has stuff (Tina) thanks (shadrak) you're welcome (anne) ingo' music and slide show link is there (shadrak) Tina, ther will be one link from our current main page. It will go to "lesson3.html" where everyone can link to their contributions to lesson3. I'll set up the link from the main page. (Tina) Anne, maybe you should put a link on the main page to your page (Tina) for the instructors and others who visit to look at *** ck (~emeraldCi@ts5-14.pacific.net) has joined #societal (anne) could just do it small at the bottom, can do (Sal) that sounds like a good idea (anne) wb ck *** Sal sets mode: +o ck (flamingo) hi chris (anne) oh it would be neat to use one of flamingo's animated titles on your link page shadrak (anne) and tina made another title for the page too (ck) Sorry I had to leave, but you all probably got more done with me gone ;) (Tina) wow (anne) chris, we missed you (Tina) I am on the slide show (Tina) 314K (ck) {{{{{anne}}}}} (Tina) that will take 10 min or more to load probably (Tina) hi chris (shadrak) Yes I'd like to see test3 (I think) there anne. (anne) ingo knows he has to figure out how to load it quicker (ingo) I know, I warn you that it will take some time (anne) and i love the way he has the selections for different music pieces (ingo) The initial load will still take lots of time - the cache run is fast (flamingo) Tina: this slide show is only 37K... (flamingo) http://www.oocities.org/Athen s/Acropolis/6729/test.htm (anne) let's decide now on a background for the main lesson 3 page (anne) i put the backgrounds we have used or considered at the bottom of my links (anne) sal had one called crowd.gif, but the faces did not show on a page (shadrak) New file manager is running at geo. (anne) what about this question on looking for graphics for the page? (Sal) i really hate that it didn't...it's less than 2k (anne) tina, the white.jpg you used shows text very well (anne) ingo, that papery.gif you used is HUGE (Tina) anne, yes I like it (anne) and flamingo's slide show is effective with her gray canvass.gif (ingo) I know, I need to change it to s.th. simpler (Tina) anne, and the white.jpg is only 2 kb (Sal) ingo, what's your url? (anne) but we can use different backgrounds as examples in the graphics lesson 3 (anne) sal, it is the same background as for the education section (Tina) the thing is (Sal) k (Tina) I'd like to have a background picked that we're going to use (Tina) for our homepage (Tina) it would be easier when making graphics (anne) that is true tina (Tina) to know what colours to use (ck) I like the white jpeg too (ingo) Sal it's http://www.oocities.org /Paris/LeftBank/3964/klimt.htm (anne) then we can do more with different colors too if used the white * flamingo says that I have picked out my background already (anne) i love the taupe one, but the white is probably better for variety (Tina) are we going to use different backgrounds for all the pages? (Sal) thanks (shadrak) you're welcome (anne) flamingo, we said that the audience influences choice of graphics, so could apply to background in your case too (flamingo) I agree (anne) and i liked chris' color for health (ingo) White might be a more neutral background for contrasts (Sal) i really think we need some consistency... (shadrak) I have created the link to lesson 3. Need to create the page now (flamingo) My background works for my pages but would NEVER work for the other pages (anne) if some use a different color or background, should blend (anne) right i agree flamingo (Sal) after all, this is a site...not a collection... (Sal) i prefer something a little less stark than white, ingo...white tends to glare for me... (Sal) that's true, cynthia... (flamingo) I think that each person should be able to pick what they like on their own pages (ck) Wouldn;t the common image help tie things together (sorry, I know I have missed a lot) (anne) we just started this discussion chris (flamingo) I think so chris * ck is grateful to anne for posting what I will have missed (Sal) it would to a degree, but i think that a color family, at least should be adhered to... (anne) sal, did tina's background glare for you tho, that is softer than using bgcolor=white (anne) look at sal's first aid article too (Sal) gee...will have to go look... (anne) hers is kind of a taupe gray * flamingo says I am NOT flexible on changing my background Sorry! (anne) flaming, that is fine!!!! (ck) I liked the taupe gray too (anne) your article is different, will make a statement that teens are different too (anne) i am still not quite sold on the shade of navy for the text to read it easily sal (anne) i can see text much better on the white.jpg (Sal) i just never use white, even here on the puter... (Sal) hahaha (ck) flamingo, what is your url (Sal) geee....what colors do we have to pick from in it, cynthia? *** Taty (tatyana@198.164.98.173) has joined #societal *** Taty is now known as Tina- (anne) chris, you can get to all of them from my social.html *** flamingo has quit IRC (Leaving) (ck) I vote no background or color constraints *** ingo has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) (Sal) really? *** flamingo (flamingo@ad62-100.compuserv e.com) has joined #societal *** ingo (a066@dialup2.lambton.on.ca) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o flamingo (shadrak) hi flamingo *** Tina has quit IRC (Ping timeout) (anne) but if we can, i think text color, or link colors should be similar (flamingo) Ok, this is getting frustratin g... (shadrak) I'm with Chris..no group restrictions, but attrention to group criticism (Tina-) well that will be kind of hard anne (ck) Anne, I feel dumb, I can't find your social.html (anne) http://www.wwnet.com/~ahartman/soc ial.html (Tina-) I mean what looks good on one background may not look good on another background (anne) that is true too tina (flamingo) I agree Tina (ck) I think a common image at the top and (perhaps) a link graphic to other topics suffices (anne) teen article is there (Sal) that bg on tina's page is easier than a bright white.. (anne) let's agree on a background for our front page then (Tina-) well we don't even have a front page (anne) did everyone see the backgrounds we have tried from my link (Tina-) yes I did (flamingo) Ahhhh, I'm flexible on the front page background (ck) We wil tina (anne) i know tina, but you said you wanted to make graphics and know the color (Tina-) that's true (Tina-) hmmm (anne) and for an image map, need to figure out colors too * ck thinks flamingo's background fits well with her theme (Sal) i am fairly flexible, but heavily textured bgs are really difficult for me to read on.... (Tina-) diff backgrounds is another strike against image maps on all the pages (flamingo) thanks chris (ck) Tina, if you don't shadow the words and you make it transparent, it should work on most backgrounds (ck) But perhaps we only put that image map on our FRONT page -) [anne] PING (shadrak) Lesson3.html is set as is the link from main page. (anne) is anybody else logging? (shadrak) I need to go eat. (shadrak) Do we want to meet again in less than a week? *** Tina- has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) *** flamingo has quit IRC (Ping timeout) *** Tina- (tatyana@198.164.98.173) has joined #societal *** ini (a066@dialup2.lambton.on.ca) has joined #societal (Tina-) ok I'm going (Tina-) I can't stay on (anne) yes we should meet again *** ingo has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) (ini) ini is ingo *** flamingo (flamingo@ad62-100.compuserv e.com) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o flamingo (shadrak) hi flamingo (Sal) hi, ingo...again (ck) hmmm, shadrak, a blank page, it begs for grafitti (anne) to decide for sure who is doing what graphics and need to look for graphics approprp to page in challenge 5 (flamingo) thanks shad *** Sal sets mode: +o ini *** anne sets mode: +o Tina- (anne) i want to do some reading on PSP and check some of the references too (ini) logging does not make sense for me with my frequent "leaves" (flamingo) I'm logging too anne but I have been off a bunch (anne) lol (ck) So far my only volunteer is for the invisible jpeg (anne) should i send the log to everyone, it posts weird on a webpage (ck) I Tina, are you going to try that image map? (Tina-) yes (flamingo) yes anne (ini) yes please, Anne (anne) i will try one of the graphics too, just don't have an idea of what (shadrak) nite all (Tina-) nite (ini) nite *** Tina- (tatyana@198.164.98.173) has left #societal (flamingo) seeya shad (anne) bye send when for next meeting (ck) About challenge #5, I think a link to my graphics page should do (anne) chris, do you want me to send * shadrak says TTYL *** shadrak (irwin@irwin.pacificnet.net) has left #societal (anne) chris, i agree (ck) please do anne (flamingo) Did you all decide when we will meet again? (anne) but chris, the other parts of 6, the others will do (anne) no we did not, just before next week soon (ck) So I don't need to do the transparen t gif? (anne) yes, please, if you can (anne) no, flamingo has already done it with her titles (ck) ok, I think I have some info somewhere.....hmmm. where is that file? (flamingo) chris, could you give us a lesson (anne) you do not need a transparent gif chris * ck is confused (anne) i have some tutorials on my webpages, and also the color resources (anne) it is easy to make transparant gif at pixelsights (anne) we just have not done with other programs chris (ck) So I should add a tutorial to the homework page? (anne) sal, flamingo and I all have them with our titles (anne) great, please yes ck (anne) then we will try our hand at them (ck) okey dokey (flamingo) Well, I have to get to bed.... good night everyone. (Sal) really is... (Sal) i'm working on a red cross now (anne) if we write down what we are doing when we make something, then have a ready made tutorial (ck) nite flamingo (Sal) take care (anne) only need 50 words (ini) nite (ck) nice work on the teen thing (anne) bye (ck) yea, real small, you betcha (flamingo) thanks, seeya (anne) is that my favoriate chalk dust flamingo *** flamingo has quit IRC (Leaving) (anne) woops (anne) too late (anne) i think flamingo used chalk dust font at pixelsight (ck) Could use that on my teacher's lounge page (anne) chris, i hope the colors of the different sections will blend tho (anne) oh you could chris (Sal) that's what kinda scares me about this... (anne) sal, nice background on your test.html for the store (Sal) that it's going to look like a crazy quilt instead of a unit... (Sal) thanks, anne... (ck) A blue theme would be nice, except for flamingo's of course (Sal) right... (Sal) but shad hates blue (ck) isn't he color blind? (Sal) don't think so... (Sal) but not sure... (anne) no, glaucoma, chris, and was crosseyed as a kid (ck) how about taupe? (ck) hey sal, been meaning to tell you I loved your comment about pregnancy (anne) the taupe and blue could be different parts (Sal) i like it ok as long as i don't have to wear it...and it is easy on the eyes... (Sal) hahaha (anne) and that white.jpg was nice (Sal) we just need some sort of unifying of all these different ways we are headed...and just an icon won't do it... (anne) chris, i liked your aqua with the taupe main page (Sal) anne, that looked pink to me... (ck) I prefer to not have background because I have to do more work with backgrounds to make everything readable...but backgrounds do give character (anne) which was pink sal? (Sal) i did like that, too, chris (Sal) that white jpg (ini) NO PINK please (ck) Sal did the taupe (anne) sal, what color is the main health page that chris did in your monitor (anne) sal is in charge of talking shadrak into whatever we think will blend ;) (Sal) right...i'm with u most of the time on the pink, ingo (Sal) chris, i don't like backgrounds either...i think they detract most of the time, if any content whatsoever is there... (ck) pink is not a soothing color, taupe is, blue is, muted colors are (ck) But flamingo's front page is effective for her audience. (Sal) right...greens are... (ck) springy? (Sal) right....we might want to post a warning! *** ingo (a066@dialup2.lambton.on.ca) has joined #societal (ck) wb ingo (Sal) hahaha....was thinking soothing...b ut of course, i like the teals and that family... *** ini has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) *** Sal sets mode: +o ingo (ingo) I hdin't think my no pink was that offensive (anne) LOL ingo (Sal) a rather light teal (ck) lol ingo (anne) i like the teals too, but the logo icon is the blues already (Sal) anne, i couldn't believe that he changed the background on his govt page when i told him it was hard on my eyes! (ck) that can be changed (ck) the color of the logo I mean (anne) oh i am sorry the white.jpg looks pink (Sal) does it not to you? (anne) as text is good on that (anne) nope, not to me (Sal) right, the texture isn't very pronounced... (anne) and in MSIE, your cream background is definitely yellow to me for infosources (anne) ingo, the text shows up well on the papery.gif you used (ck) MSIE really messes things up (anne) but way too big, and will need to get a different color too (Sal) isn't that funny, how the color temperatures of monitors are different... (anne) i also have a bad monitor for colors too (ck) funny haahaa (ingo) but the problem is the size of the file - I will experiment with some stucko texture (Sal) hey, have you checked the 1200 block with both msie and ns? you can't read the links in the left frame in ns.... (anne) k ingo (ck) I can change the color temp on my monitor (Sal) i think i can too, chris... (anne) oh i can read them fine in Netscape on the left sal (Sal) yep...i can... (ck) Ingo, is the background gif or jpeg,, if jpeg you can probably reduce that size (Sal) really??? don't you have little tiny lines? (anne) nope (ck) under my eyes, sal (anne) i kept looking back and forth last nite after you said that (anne) in MSIE and NS to see the difference, there really were no differences, ugly background in both of them ;( (ingo) it's a gif (Sal) wow...that's strange... (ingo) but icould change it into a jpg and try the smaller size (Sal) because in win95 that green has a bunch of tiny lines in ns (anne) oh i am not higher resolution, so that is probly why sal (ck) With jpegs you can change the compression %, you loose a lot but with most browsers, they won't notice (anne) ingo, i still think we should go with a different color tho (ingo) let me play with it tomorrow evening and give me feedback (anne) interesting to see how it would change it to see jpg tho (Sal) might be it, anne... (anne) i realized part of why it is such a big piece is that it has more patterns (anne) and we really haven;t talked about graphics yet to go on it (anne) i like chris' different color combinations too (ck) thanks anne, but ingo should take some credit (Sal) interesting, anne...the lines don't show up here in ns, and i have identical sony monitors here and in victoria... (anne) oh then it may be the adjustment for each one (ck) Ingo, when you convert a gif to a jpeg you will degrade the image (anne) right chris, LOL, with his wanting you to lighten it up (ingo) question is, by how much and will it be notiscable (anne) oh we will have to move the music console to make room for the societal icon (anne) on the page that is there now (ck) I am learning about color choices from Linda http://www.lynda.com/ (ingo) of course, we could use shad's frames with the icon imagebar etc (anne) ck, i downloaded both images of her backgrounds (ck) did you all decide on right or left for the icon (anne) and DE also sent it to us in email (anne) it will be the left chris (anne) unless it needs to be somewhere else to balance a page (anne) the way i did it on my bio, unless you have another idea (anne) i had to use (br clear=all) or it bumps into the title (ck) no, I think the way you did it is fine (ck) who is DE? (anne) downeast, paul in bracketeers study group (ck) oh (ingo) Anne, adding the button may cause some 'imballance' of the klimt page (anne) oh right ingo (ck) button? klimt? (ingo) we were talking about using tina's button as a common identifyer on each page - left (ingo) I did a sloooow slide show on a Klimt eshibition http://www.Geocities .com/Paris/LeftBank/3964/klimt.htm (ck) oh, just slightly confused, but now it is all clear (ck) Yes, that could throw things off, but if you put it at the very bottom .... (ingo) we were just talking about conformity (ck) both top & bottom are great but top is really optional cause most people don't link till they are done reading and are at the bottom. Conformity is nice but there are always need for exceptions (ingo) guess so (ck) Is there a conformist in the house? (ck) Not sal, not anne, not me (and I bet not ingo) (Sal) i agree, chris...i don't see the need for the top one... * anne conforms (ck) oops (anne) on some things (Sal) hahaha (Sal) we all do on some things... (ingo) chris, I guess your'e right (anne) sal, they are trying to set someone up to set packet size and send files with win95 and mirc 4.7, any tips? (Sal) who??? (anne) in sailorme's group, a Jean S (anne) they are on #sailorme (Sal) anne, i don't have it set up right, i don't think, here... (Sal) and she needs to go on and get 4.72....it's not as buggy... (anne) she got it last nite sal (Sal) oh...ok...hang on and let me see what i have...i'm in pirch now... (anne) ok sal (anne) bec is on irc (Sal) i have it wrong...it's 512 packet size on mine...msg bec and ask her... *** ingo has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) *** ini (a066@dialup2.lambton.on.ca) has joined #societal (anne) sal, you should have 4096 for packet size (ck) wb ingo (Sal) man! you are fast! (Sal) ok... (Sal) will change it... (ini) just getting used to the routine *** anne sets mode: +o ini (Sal) now...just fixed that... (ck) Sal, my english teacher gives too much homework, no time for health pages (ck) but I found about 10 good health info servers today (Sal) oh, dear! (Sal) that sounds terrible to me... (Sal) oh, great! (Sal) gonna post the urls? (ck) some day soon (Sal) tee-hee (ck) I think I will forgo the pregnancy thing and follow your sub-topics (ini) guys, this time I choose to leave- no pings (Sal) oh...ok...it might work under another heading, anyway... (anne) nite ingo (Sal) ok...take care... (ck) nite ingo (anne) good you can leave on your own steam (Sal) shall we head to campus lounge and shut this one down? (ck) good idea sal (ini) i will try to set something up tomorrow with different background and let you know how to access the dieerent pages (ini) nite (anne) k thanks (Sal) great.... (ck) great ini *** ini (a066@dialup2.lambton.on.ca) has left #societal (anne) shall we go see bec in the lounge now (ck) anne, see you in campus lounge (anne) k Session Close: Wed Feb 05 23:10:53 1997Back to log list
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