Log Societal Group: Feb, 24 1997
Shadrak's Birthday Party and Lesson 6 Challenges

Session Start: Mon Feb 24 20:15:01 1997
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(ingo) Hi Anne
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(anne) hi
(shadrak) hi folks
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(ingo) Hi  the two of you
(anne) you sure have been busy writing 
  scripts shadrak
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(ingo) Hi Sal
(sal) happy birthday, shad...
(anne) oh it was a long day ingo
(anne) yes happy bday shad
(shadrak) Younger than Springtime, am I 
   ...
(sal) hi, ingo...
(ingo) Yea, Happy Birthday
(shadrak) Thank you all!
(anne) your photos are great shadrak
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(anne) hi liz
(ingo) Hi liz
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(Liz) hi everyone
(sal) hi, liz
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(Liz) ok
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(shadrak) gonna be one of thos nights!
(sal) we've done a little more on 
   infosources...you know anne and i 
   were planning to do something else...
(sal) wait a minute...
(sal) wish you'd check it for us..
(anne) just at the geocities for right 
  now
(shadrak) what have you changed or added?
(sal) right...
(sal) we added a new section...
(sal) that we had been talking about ...
(sal) but haven't linked it to the first 
   page yet...
(sal) http://www.oocities.org/CapeCanaveral/8382/hbd.html

TIME OUT TO CELEBRATE SHADRAK'S
BIRTHDAY with the card we made him using 
all of our HTLM SKILLS

Back to Discussion of Challenges
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(shadrak) hi flamingo
(anne) hi flamingo
(sal) hi, cynthia...
(flamingo) Hi everyone!
(ingo) Hi flamingo
(shadrak) nice page hens!!!!
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(anne) i met who on powwow for just a 
  minute
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(flamingo) Hi Tina
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(Tina) hi
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(shadrak) hi ck
(anne) hi ck
(anne) shad is looking at the card now ;)
(ck) hi all
(Tina) are we gonna add a page for 
   lesson 4 like we did for lesson 3
(Tina) so we can add the stuff we do to 
   it?
(e-less) Yes - and we can do tables and 
   Sal can do frame
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(ingo) thanks Anne
(ingo) I tried 
* ck still doesn't know how
(sal) hahahaha
(anne) tina, this looks more like we 
  have to incorporate it as part of 
  societal page
(Tina) icky
(anne) right
(Tina) and we only have the one week to 
   do it
(anne) but, we don't have to keep it ;(
(anne) two weeks
(Tina) no one week
(ck) I wish they gave us a clue on how 
   to make a page look like one with 
   tables (without having tables)
(anne) i thought they said every outline 
  is two weeks
(Tina) the last 2 weeks will be java, 
   javascript
(flamingo) I think it is one week too
(Tina) well last week they have an 
   extension to graphics
(Tina) we only have 3 weeks left of the 
   course
(shadrak) This week appears to be (badly 
   done) JacvaScript
(anne) looks like your single pixel dots 
  will come out again for that one chris
(ck) Maybe we can take e-less's table 
   page and try to recreate without 
   tables?
(e-less) tables - no tables is easy - we 
   almost did it with lesson 3 - before 
   and after Chris fixed it
(anne) thank goodness we have you shadrak
(anne) except what about the border 
  problem for all browsers ;(
(e-less) CK - you took the words right 
   out of my mouth
(anne) just make a smaller border and we 
  should be ok
(bahrd) hey shad HB again
(anne) on my laptop in netscape, it all 
  lined up again so must have higher 
  resolution on it
(e-less) Anne's border page!
(ck) why doesn't giving the width in 
   pixels work?
(shadrak) I'd like to address browser 
   idiosyncracies w/respect to frames
(anne) k good shad
(shadrak) thanks bahrd
(e-less) but Anne - I saw somethin about 
   the offset in different browser - I 
   think that's what the diff was
(Tina) my page works on both msie, 
   netscape and with at least 2 
   resolutions and it's done in tables
(anne) well, we need to learn how to 
  show it in both
(Tina) I meant my personal page, not the 
   one with this course
(anne) right tina
(anne) it was fine
(anne) you had narrower graphic titles 
  on the left
(ck) tina, do you do width in pixels or %
(anne) e-less had a lot of words ini the 
  left column 
(ck) how do you know how many pixels to 
   use for the width?
(Tina) I use % because the % takes a % 
   of the total width of resolution 
   where if you use pixel, say you use 
   400 for a 640 width, when you go to 
   800 resolution, it'll stay only 400
(Tina) where if you used say 80%, it'll 
   be 80% of whatever the resolution is
(e-less) but we douls sort of do the 
   same thing but make it for this 
   lesson - less words this time and I 
   know how to do it both with and 
   without tables arrgh
(e-less) douls = could
(shadrak) ck, if you're using a border, 
   width ought to be same as border
(ck) shad, do know of any idiosyncracies 
   with frames & browsers
(ck) Tina, if you use a percent, when a 
   person widens or shrinks their 
   browser, doesn't that change the 
   width of the border column?
(ck) shadrak? question is how do I 
   figure out the # pixels in a border?
(anne) the border column was wider on my 
  laptop and i had more space on the 
  right too
(shadrak) Yep border=no in NS frameborde 
   =no in IE; NS doen't honor (noframe) 
   outside of frameset page (IE does).  
   NS border =no makes resize = no
(shadrak) use PSP to see how wide your 
   border is
(sal) ?????
(ck) oic shad
(Tina) ck, I don't know... it hasn't 
   happened to me and i use % 
(anne) right that is what i was just 
  writing to say to ck, even cut the 
  left part if you need to
(ck) Tina, can you give me your URL?
(shadrak) If you want, say, an index in 
   the border, you need to make that 
   part of the table consistent with 
   your border width in pixels.
(Tina) http://cqws.com/users/zoso/
(anne) but shad, didn't you say stuff 
  bled in NS 3 that did not in NS 4
(anne) one more page we need to do is 
  the timed one somewhere
(flamingo) Anne, where does it say that 
   we have to do the Challenges and use 
   them on our pages?
(anne) that sounded to me like a splash 
  page
(sal) me too, anne...
(anne) oh on the frames one, it said we 
  did not have to leave it
(anne) it said use it somewhere in your 
  pages
(shadrak) That was the non-border part.  
   NS3, NS4 AND MSIE have different 
   rules for table indentation and treat 
   BLOCKQUOTE differently
(flamingo) I've never heard of a Push 
   page.
(ck) Maybe we could do a sub page for 
   the splash page, like our working page
(anne) right
(anne) then it comes up to the main index
(anne) could we make the photos in 
  different size that yu used on the 
  buttons tina
(shadrak) A push page uses some kind of 
   timer.  Don't know how it works..proba
   bly a JAvaScript.
(flamingo) Where do we find the 
   Javascript?
(ck) Tina, your url doesn't have words 
   in the border..???
(anne) i will send some javascript 
  routines that spidey sent to bracketeer
  s, can't remember what all they did
(anne) brb
(Tina) ck, no it has images in the border
(anne) but he picked out ones he liked 
  from his instructor
(sal) what about those pages that send 
   you to the new address of a site that 
   has moved...i don't think that's 
   jscript, shad...
(anne) oh ok tina
(Tina) what anne?
(anne) but is not this the same as a 
  timed splash page what they are 
  talking about
(anne) brb
(shadrak) Do they ask you to click or do 
   they do it on a timer sal?
(sal) timer
(ck) Oh, now I see Tina
(shadrak) What's a splash page?
(sal) you have a choice
(ck) I think we did a push page on the 
   Oz pages, without html
(e-less) what we decided we didn't need 
   - an ad page -
(shadrak) Bet it's a script then
(sal) for the browsers that don't 
   respond to what is it called...server 
   push?
(sal) right, chris
(anne) shoot, spidey made one but now i 
  see it is untimed
(sal) spidey???
(anne) splash page shadrak is one like a 
  title page, or new info that loads for 
  just a little then you can see it but 
  it then goes to the next page and 
  stops it there
(shadrak) k
(anne) i have some examples they gave us 
  from a class meeting
(anne) don't know what kind of script 
  did it
(anne) think they would have said splash 
  page if that is what they meant in 
  this lesson tho
(sal) cgi routines....
(sal) for server push.
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(shadrak) got a URL?  we can look at it
(anne) brb
(shadrak) Challenge 1 is done
(shadrak) The WWW site is
http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Plains/1238/challenge-1.html
(e-less) I'd like to take same approach 
   as we did on lesson-3 and use that to 
   be challenge 2
(sal) hmmm....looks familiar...
(Tina) well maybe
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(Tina) I want to do a frame page... even 
   if it's just for practice because I 
   haven't done one at all and dont' 
   know how
(shadrak) Do you know where the tutorial 
   is?
(flamingo) I have a frame on my homepage
(sal) hahahaah...i got enough practice 
   this weekend!
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(anne) (who) here is a splash page?  
  http://www.
(anne)    kenwoodusa.com/
(anne) (Cat) Another splash page is 
  http://frans
(anne)    wa.superior.net
(e-less) me too tina
(anne) http://www.kenwoodusa.com/
(anne) http://franswa.superior.net
(ingo) How much can we incorporate what 
   we already have looks to mee that we 
   did already tackle some of the 
   challenges
(flamingo) I really don't like Splash 
   pages!
(shadrak) trying the first one
(anne) me either flamingo
(e-less) but we don't have to do splash
(flamingo) I can
(anne) we do not have to keep it e-less
(flamingo) I can't get the first one to 
   come up
(anne) just show that we can do one
(shadrak) But it would be nice to know 
   how they work
(Tina) ok
(Tina) so the splash page isn't a script
(Tina) it's something in the meta
(e-less) but you'r talking about 
   challnge 4 - which to me is checkin 
   user's browser
(Tina) I'm not
(e-less) not what?
(shadrak) The second URL uses a JAva 
   Applet
(Tina) oops
(Tina) it is challenge 4
(anne) oh ok
(e-less) ok what?
(Tina) challenge 4 is 2 things
(Tina) chalenge 4 is checking a browser 
   and doing a push
(anne) hmmm the guys were playing with 
  checking your browser when we were in 
  821
(flamingo) The second one uses this:
(anne) jim mauney did a routine i 
  remember, when setting up their own 
  servers
(flamingo) (META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" 
   CONTENT="60; URL=http://franswa.superi
   or.net/home.html")
(e-less) sound slightly indecent
(shadrak) Wrong.  The second page uses a 
   meta command
(shadrak) (META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" 
   CONTENT="60; URL=http://franswa.superi
   or.net/home.html")
(Tina) I don't see many groups finishing 
   their pages by the end of the course
(Tina) It's taking so long to complete 
   the lessons, there's no time to do 
   anything about ocntent
(sal) right...
(flamingo) I was thinking the same thing 
   Tina
(anne) that is true tina
(sal) don't know why they feel we have 
   to have all of it in one course...
(anne) i for sure do not care to spend 
  much time on this assignment at all
(e-less) yes - too true - nto enough time
(flamingo) Shad, what is a META...
(sal) i'd prefer learning  a little bit 
   WELL
(anne) and e-less, you had stuff about 
  META in your homework pages
(shadrak) dunno.  I found the line in 
   the source and it seems to be what 
   controls going to the next page.
(anne) the meta from ingo's front page 
  gave us interrupts when trying to load 
  in NS
(e-less) yes - but I"m sure that came 
   from teh netscape editor
(flamingo) So, we should just try to 
   copy the Meta tag.  ;-)
(shadrak) I'd rather learn what they do
(anne) i will email if i can find the 
  other page someone did that was timed 
  too, not a clue where to look right now
(Tina) and also
(Tina) challenge #5
(shadrak) Bet Netscape site has some info
(Tina) doing a form
(anne) shad has already made a form
(flamingo) I did a form on my Teen page
(shadrak) I have?
(e-less) that could be nice - a ofrm to 
   e-mail us all, or singly or by topic
(anne) thought you did after you read 
  that forms tutorial, maybe it was a 
  different time
(sal) does geo support forms?
(anne) sal, they have their own routine 
  you can use
(anne) it is not cgi tho
(shadrak) I did it for myself..don't 
   think I put it up,
(sal) oh, ok...
(anne) i know we never saw it
(sal) hmmm....
(anne) flamingo, what did you use for 
  your form on teen page
(shadrak) Everybody supports forms..geo 
   does not support cgi
(e-less) but it says#5 - forms using CGI
(flamingo) http://www.oocities.org/Athen
   s/Acropolis/6729/self5.htm
(flamingo) Check it out
(anne) in one of the pages i did get the 
  correct url for, there could be 
  security problems with certain kinds 
(e-less) can we find different site for 
   form?
(shadrak) I intend to ignorw #5 because 
   I refuse to learn perl
(shadrak) cybercities suppors some cgi
(sal) cgi is almost a synonym for forms 
   to me...
(anne) oh could not get to yours flamingo
(sal) some isps don't use cgi, either....
(anne) there are already made directions 
  that we can use if want to do it shad
(shadrak) That's why I want to learn 
   JAVA so I can get away from server 
   side code.
(flamingo) Anne, I just went there.
(anne) i do not think we really had to 
  learn to program
(anne) i will try again then, thanks
(sal) right...that makes sense, shad
(flamingo) My form is Client side
(Tina) no, there are places where you 
   can use cgi scripts of other people
(anne) right, that dave's place is one
(sal) matt's script archive...
(e-less) how can you tell whether clien 
   side or server side form?
(shadrak) flamingo, do you process the 
   form on your page or process email?
(flamingo) On my page
(anne) matts right
(flamingo) But I could change it to email
(shadrak) what's the url?
(flamingo) My url?
(shadrak) for your form page
(flamingo) http://www.oocities.org/Athen
   s/Acropolis/6729/self5.htm
(flamingo) It is just a check box form
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(sal) http://www.worldwidemart.com/script
   s/
(sal) that's matt's
(flamingo) The problem with doing a 
   Server side form is that I can't 
   check it out, because my ISP doesn't 
   support them.
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(Tina-) well, for me I think since we 
   only have one week... I'm going to 
   concentrate on doing a frames page
(shadrak) Flamingo, I don't see a SUBMIT 
   button, so how can you be doing any 
   processing?
(ingo) do we need to consider what 
   happens to the user input
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(flamingo) I'm not but I could easily 
   change it to email and submit....
(anne) good, then we have a form
(anne) does it use cgi flamingo
(sal) but then msie won't work with it, 
   cynthia
(flamingo) I will only have to add two 
   lines
(ingo) are we looking at automated 
   response / evaluation or what happens
(shadrak) Ok.  I was worried that you 
   had figured out a way to do "client 
   side" processing of forms.
(flamingo) I have
(flamingo) I have a freeware program 
   that will do it for me
(shadrak) Oh.  Besides email, what is it?
(Tina-) flamingo, I think I have that 
   same program
(ingo) What is that program called - 
   where can it be downloaded from?
(Tina-) it's called Web Forms
(flamingo) brb
(shadrak) But NS MAIL will process the 
   email from forms very 
(shadrak) nicely
(flamingo) It is called mailto:Formatter
(anne) these are in the lesson and were 
  cgi stuff for win 95
(Tina-) oops mine's different from 
   flamingo's
(anne) http://www.oocities.org/SiliconVa
  lley/6742/
(Tina-) and mine's shareware I believe
(Tina-) anyway
(flamingo) http://junior.apk.net/~jbarta/
   tutor/forms/mtfsites.html
(flamingo) Try that url
(anne) oh that is the one that had the 
  warnings on it, i was just looking for 
  that
(shadrak) 'tis dinner time here in 
   Woodland Hills.  Thank you all for 
   such a nice birthday present!
(sal) what did we do without barta???
(flamingo) Yes, that url works
(sal) happy birthday!
(anne) happy bday
(sal) we had lots of fun doing it!
(anne) glad you called the meeting for 
  tonight
(flamingo) Happy Birthday Shad
(ingo) happy birthday Shad
(Goofy) bye shad and happy birthday I 
   must go too!
(shadrak) Let me know what we decide 
   about this stupid assignment.
(Liz) happy birthday
(anne) if we need cgi, can we do it at 
  cybercities too shad
(anne) i vote not to do it
(anne) lol
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(shadrak) dunno how far they go in 
   support
* shadrak says TTYL
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(anne) can your form with a few fixes 
  count then flamingo?
(anne) we could just have an intro page 
  to the main index when shadrak figures 
  out the push code
(anne) that is best to use
(flamingo) I feel like I have already 
   done Challenges #1, 3 and 5. But I 
   need to do # 2 and 4
(flamingo) I think so Anne
(anne) k great
(anne) so we can point to those for the 
  homework assignments
(anne) and if anyone else decides to 
  play a bit, add it to them
(flamingo) Sure
(flamingo) Sounds great
(e-less) so - we do it same as lesson 3 
   - and I can do tables and no tables?
(flamingo) Kind of like the last 
   Lesson... everyone added to what they 
   wanted to learn
(anne) right
(anne) and the mainindex page would be 
  where there is the script to check the 
  browser
(anne) it should be somewhere in the 
  resources how to do that
(anne) i still do not understand the 
  multiple loading of pages in the 
  frames, is that different than just 
  doing plain frames
(anne) we know the code from doing 
  infosources how to point to pages with 
  that _top and ingo and shad have that 
  on their frames already
(flamingo) I think that it means that 
   you can load several different link 
   pages in the same frame
(anne) k i do not think anyone has done 
  that yet
* anne is not interested in that part
(sal) i don't even understand that!
(flamingo) I have it on my Home page and 
   Infosources does too
(anne) ok if that is what it means, i 
  understand
(Tina-) bye guys
(anne) nite tina
(flamingo) seeya tina
(ingo) see ya tina
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(e-less) nite Tina
(sal) oh...just the way frames normally 
   operate?
(anne) why did they make it sound so 
  different then
(flamingo) I'm not interested in doing 
   another frames page either
(sal) bye
(anne) i think it is a trick question
(e-less) bye sal
(ingo) bye sal
(sal) i'm not going...
(anne) and we knew about loading another 
  browser page and did not want that 
  either
(sal) sheesh...tina's gone now!  ;-)
(anne) gotta be quicker sal
(sal) hahaha
(anne) i need to work on content this 
  week, will be glad to add to anyone's 
  table stuff
(e-less) gee - and I flt so bad I wanted 
   to be first ot say bye to sal
(flamingo) There is Java Script on the 
   frames part...  ?
(anne) not in anybody's frames right now
(flamingo) no
(sal) i need to work on content too, but 
   truthfully, i don't really care that 
   much about this topic...all the stuff 
   in the lessons has kinda dampened my 
   enthusiasm....
(anne) remember how shad had to fix the 
  music with javascript so that it would 
  be the same in NS and MSIE
(anne) maybe that is what they are 
  talking about
(sal) and how easy it would have been to 
   do just a link to music...
(anne) right sal
(anne) but he wanted to figure out how 
  to do it, remember
(sal) right...
(sal) he has a lot more curiosity about 
   many things than i do...
(anne) and i could follow what he did 
  when he set it up and then add more 
  text to it
(flamingo) Maybe this lesson is about 
   finding out what you DON'T want to do 
   to your page???
(anne) hahhaaa
(sal) hahaha
(sal) and i think i learned that on the 
   birthday card!
(anne) so far, i agree it is not what we 
  want except the input form maybe
(sal) right...
(anne) and i love sal's javascript 
  routine for the quotes
(flamingo) After doing frames ... I 
   really don't like them... I hate that 
   you can't bookmark a page in a frame.
(sal) isn't that good?
(anne) could do something like that on 
  the next assignment for facts about it
(sal) anne, the guy who wrote that app 
   lives about 20 miles from us...
(Liz) i agree flamingo
(anne) flamingo, right click then you 
  can add it as a bookmark, have to tap 
  the frame with the mouse first 
(ingo) what do you mean, I think you can
(anne) and ingo found out same way to do 
  it in MSIE to add it to your favoriate 
  places
(ingo) Anne said the rest
* anne is sad, i still cannot talk ingo 
  out of frames ;(
(anne) i feel very inhibited by frames
(flamingo) But most people don't know to 
   do that and I don't think that it 
   works on a Mac.
(sal) without having to dl that ms app?
(sal) i just don't like the way they 
   look...
(sal) or act
(flamingo) I think that we have several 
   people in our group that will do the 
   frames part.
(anne) right 
(anne) sal, do you want to work on 
  putting stuff in a table with me and 
  eless and flamingo
(ingo) I think Shad has a short routine 
   (Aplet) in his frame (government 
   page) determining whether so is using 
   NS 3 or not 
(e-less) yeah - I get to do tables?
(anne) but didn't you want to learn 
  about frames e-less too
(sal) sure, anne...
(e-less) yes - want frames as well - but 
   think we can each do frames if we want
(flamingo) We shouldn't have any problem 
   doing the tables.
(e-less) hahahahaha
(anne) the biggest problem was getting 
  them to line up in everyone's browsers
(e-less) keep line short - insert breaks
(anne) rihgt
(flamingo) True... and that is something 
   that I would like to work on more
(anne) you sure got initiated by fire 
  e-less
(e-less) yeah - but it is burned into my 
   brain now
(anne) best way to learn
(e-less) yes - painful but works
(anne) don't forget to add you homepage 
  to the work.html too e-less
(anne) just copy a line from another 
  that is heartland plains and change 
  address to yours
(anne) i liked our graphics assignments 
  much better
(anne) one week for this huh
(sal) and i'm hatching another page in 
   my spare time...
(anne) oh sal, what is it about this time
(e-less) but how do I edit work.html - 
   is it on shadrak's site?
(sal) it's one for the church in 
   corinth....
* flamingo says are the other groups 
  getting their content for their page 
  done?
(anne) that is why i want to work on 
  that on not on the homework this week
(sal) i looked at a few this afternoon, 
   and found no content..
(anne) bracketeers is struggling with 
  content i know
(flamingo) Maybe some groups just aren't 
   putting up their real pages yet?
(anne) true
(sal) doesn't surprise me, anne...
(sal) that could be it...
(flamingo) I know that I was reluctant 
   to put my stuff up
(anne) but we are glad you did
(flamingo) lol
(e-less) so anne - work on content - 
   whoever wants frames - makes sample - 
   flamingo and I will do tables - and 
   shadrak can do push page  - tha leave 
   side border and forms
(flamingo) I finished another area 
   today. Now I have just two more areas 
   to complete. Then I can go back and 
   add to the other pages.
(anne) you already have the side border 
  part done with presentation of 
  homework, e-less and ingo
(flamingo) I agree anne
(e-less) year that's right - so let's 
   agree and go to bed!
(anne) flamingo, that is great
(ingo) and we also checked that it works 
   with different browsers 
(anne) except for e-less's is not the 
  same
(anne) so just shorten that side
(anne) and keep the percents
(anne) can you redo that border 
  background a little smaller back to 
  original size e-less
(e-less) yes - i made it bigger - but 
   can easily make it smaller - want to 
   chane it slightly anyway
(anne) good
(Liz) good nite everyone
(anne) then it will work great
(e-less) nite liz
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(sal) take care...
(anne) nite too everyone
(ingo) nite liz
(sal) i need to reboot...
(anne) and i am leaving
(flamingo) Does anyone know if Fredrick 
   is still part of our group?
(sal) don't know...
(anne) let's ask irwin to write to him
(flamingo) k
(anne) he seems to respond when it is 
  just one person writing
(anne) i will write to irwin when i get 
  off here and ask him to write
(sal) hmmm...
(flamingo) k
(anne) e-less, you need to decide which 
  group topic appeals to you too
(flamingo) Has Fredrick done anything?
(e-less) i'm going too now - will cahnge 
   my left border tomorrow and add new 
   text for cahllenges  -
(anne) no he has not
(sal) y'all take care...
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(anne) so i am assuming he is not going 
  to do anything
(flamingo) good night everyone
(e-less) I think governemt - because of 
   wher I work but am afraid I don't 
   have much to contribute 
(e-less) night flamingo
(anne) e-less, shadrak will give you an 
  idea of something to research
(ingo) May be you could at a Canadian 
   perspective
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(anne) it will be easy cause he already 
  has ideas
(anne) and he would really like someone 
  to work with
(anne) canadian perspective is a good 
  idea ingo
(anne) as sometimes folks do not realize
(anne) he also wanted to do something 
  international
(anne) e-less where do you work?
(e-less) ok - but am verys stubborn and 
   have own ideas too - would like 
   somethin Canadian - work at ICAO the 
   International Civil Aviation 
   Organization
(anne) ok
(e-less) which is one of UN agencies - 
   should be able to dig up lots on 
   international
(anne) great
(ingo) sounds good
(e-less) ingo - you're in Toront?
(ingo) no, I'm in Sarnia - at the bottom 
   of lkae Huron
(ingo) lake Huron
(anne) very close to me in detroit area 
  e-less
(anne) where in canada are you e-less
(e-less) ah - further north - do you 
   still ahve snow?
(e-less) Montreal
(anne) that's right, i was trying to 
  remember and could not
(anne) gonna say nite guys
(e-less) anne - ith ought you were out 
   west
(ingo) we are further south
(anne) no, EST and snow pretty much 
  melted, now a light coating
(anne) nothing like the ice and snow you 
  got e-less
(anne) chris ck is from west coast 
  california
(e-less) of ocurse - Ingo - silly me
(ingo) tina is from New brunswick, right
(e-less) must be really late for you tina
(anne) i am not sure, i could not tell 
  from her bio, she said the city and it 
  is a small one on the coast
(e-less) so with all of us canadians - 
   why don't we do something canadaina 
(anne) e-less, in your other spare time, 
  LOL, write just a quick bio and add it 
  like you uploaded homework
(e-less) how about the sovereignty ssue? 
   argghhh
(anne) too late to switch in midstream i 
  think e-less
(anne) tina is already on a different 
  topic
(e-less) yuck yuck
(ingo) think your'e right
(anne) bye guys
(anne) see ya
Session Close: Mon Feb 24 22:32:36 1997
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