Log Societal Group: Mar 17, 1997
Session Start: Mon Mar 17 20:20:35 1997 *** Now talking in #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o anne [shadrak SOUND] (anne) hi (ingo) Hi Anne (anne) it is like i am starting all over again when i read the tutorial (anne) maybe it will stick this time ;) (anne) is no one talking or am i pinging out (ingo) I read it briefly - have to go through it a few more times -) [anne] PING (anne) i am still reading (anne) brb (anne) flamingo will be late and eless is coming (ingo) k (ingo) did you read e-less bio (shadrak) I find I need to have something I am trying to acomplish in order to get much out of any kind of learning aid. (anne) yes it is interesting, she wrote more about they go with the dogs to climb the mountains when i asked her about it (ingo) she went to school in the town where I grew up (anne) and two german's in a group, can't get more stubborn than that (shadrak) Some of her links didn't work for me. (anne) shad, i tend to agree with you (ingo) so I sent her a note i German (anne) one is still being written shad, the ski-joring page, (anne) her hubby is writing the dog pages (shadrak) k (ingo) in (anne) oh that is neat to write in german (shadrak) most germans do it anne. (anne) imagine she still remembers how to read in german too (ingo) what is that remark supposed to be - only the NORTHERN Germans are stubborn ok (anne) hahaha (shadrak) Depends on ingo's handwriting! (ingo) How do you know Shad, my reputation did not get to CA yet - hopefully (shadrak) Just a guess ingo. (ingo) I only use computers because nobody - myself included can read my handwriting (anne) ingo, we have something in common ;( (shadrak) Anne, I think it's time to move the page to a permanent site. Can you get another one on geo? (ingo) is that something to be proud of :) (anne) yes i can get another page shad, i was thinking that myself that we were filling up your site (anne) where do we want to live, in what community (anne) oh folks eventually get the hang of deciphering my writing ingo (shadrak) Palm Springs (anne) hahaha (shadrak) Santa Barbara? (anne) sounds good too (ingo) at least people will have a hard time forging our signature, rite (anne) true ingo (shadrak) Not true. Worse your handwriting, easier to forge. (anne) i will email everyone once i get the site shad and we can start transferring stuff (shadrak) good *** Liz (~locuse@customs34.ipass.net) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o Liz (shadrak) hi Liz (anne) ingo, you mite even want to transfer some of your graphics to it as your site is full (anne) hi liz (shadrak) Bet lots of links go bad! (ingo) need also to figure out what to keep and what to trash (Liz) hi everyone, sorry i'm late. Had a little trouble connecting. (anne) oh dear, we had better make sure we change the imagemaps (ingo) Hi liz (shadrak) Let's trash all the tables! (anne) hahaha (shadrak) hey liz (anne) nothing that you did for homework should be trashed ingo (anne) could trash the frames ;) (shadrak) why do we save the homework? (anne) liz, we are going to get a new home for societal (ingo) Anne, my computer refuses to show what you have said (anne) shad, that is part of the class and we want to see all our efforts (ingo) can you repeat that please (anne) hahaha ingo (shadrak) k (anne) bout trashing the frames ???? (Liz) where are we going? (anne) what neighborhood in geo would you like (shadrak) that's trash talk * ingo kicks Anne (anne) shad's site is getting too full so i will use my email address to open a new account for societal (anne) then we will have to transfer all our stuff to it *** Tatyana (tatyana@stjhts04c29.nbnet.nb .ca) has joined #societal (anne) hi tina *** Tatyana is now known as Tina (ingo) will be a heck of a mess with all the links (Tina) hi (ingo) Hi tina (Liz) hi tina *** anne sets mode: +o Tina (shadrak) Anne, they will do that automatically if you ask won't they? *** ingo sets mode: +o Tina (Tina) hi guys (shadrak) hi Tayana (anne) oh but you do not want to lose your house shad (shadrak) tatyana (anne) it would move your whole account there if i did that (shadrak) Oh. got it. (anne) tina, we are going to move the societal page to a new geocities account so that shad can get his house back (Tina) house? (anne) new address in geo somewhere (Tina) I see (Tina) well just let me know the address when you get it and I'll change the links on my page (anne) i will email everyone where it is (shadrak) How do we "move stuff" on geo? Don't we have to upload again? (anne) probably will not do it til tomorrow (anne) yes shad, we will have to save the files and reupload (anne) except ones that we edit ourselves and upload, just upload those (anne) oh dear, all those names to remember and upload (anne) should have done this way back when i suggested it (shadrak) yep (Tina) I'm at geocities now (Tina) brb, I want to check something (anne) k (ingo) Anne, don't give us this I told you so :( (anne) i shoulda done it anyway hahaha (shadrak) ingo, that's woman talk. (anne) e-less had asked me to check her file and discovered she had text and background both set for white (ingo) thank got, I can pretend I am an import and don't understand (anne) hahaha sure ingo (anne) i will try to upload what i can, but everybody should check to make sure their stuff gets transferred (anne) or each person take charge of getting their stuff up (anne) and not to forget homework too (anne) that has been my favorite part to see, the homework *** ck (~emeraldCi@ts3-198.pacific.net) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o ck (shadrak) hi ck (anne) hi ck (ck) hi all (ingo) k, just let us know when - establish a shedule and we should be ready to fly (anne) k (Liz) hi chris (ingo) Hi chris (anne) ck, do you have a preferred neighborhood to move to for societal (anne) i am going to open a new account for us (anne) then we all will need to move our stuff to the new site when i send you the info (ck) I am afraid I am unfamilair with the neighborhoods, is there any real estate in Napa? (ck) no problem (anne) i will go cruising (Tina) GUYS (anne) and see what is there (Tina) you don't have to reupload any files if you're moving to a new address in Geocities (anne) tina, that would move shadrak out of his house, he wants to stay there (Tina) oh (Tina) ok (Tina) I thought he was moving (ingo) but Tine we don't want to move- we want to transfer some files (anne) no he is kicking us out, lol (Tina) oh (Tina) ok sorry (Tina) didn't understand (ck) yes, bring in the moving vans, cancel the house movers (anne) i can use another of my email addresses to open another account (Liz) are we the 1st group of homeless people on the internet??? :-) (anne) hahaha (ck) weren't our pages intended for the homeless? (anne) shad will leave a message on his site pointing to where we went i hope (Liz) if the shoe fits!!! :-) (shadrak) Anne, it would probably be much easier to move to the new location, then I will get back on and get another page. (anne) hahaha (anne) oh ok (anne) for sure we need to make sure it is all moved (anne) we could put a temporary message up later before we really change tho (shadrak) But then no notice of the move will be around :( (anne) moving is exhausting (anne) tina knows that (Tina) yeah (anne) how is your new place? (Tina) thank gawd we don't have a cat to move ;b (ck) just like with real moving, we will get rid of old, useless, junk (Tina) it's fine,... landlord still hasn't come up to fix something ;b * anne can never get rid of junk (Tina) but pooky has finally settled in (anne) oh good tina *** shadrak changes topic to "Where do we go from here?" (anne) well should we get down to JS business (Tina) yeah *** e-less (~ann@206.123.6.152) has joined #Societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o e-less (shadrak) hi e-less (ingo) Liz, I just looked at the K-12, looks good (anne) i loved your cool site tina (ingo) Hi e-less (anne) hi e-less (e-less) Hi, everyone (Liz) thanks, ingo (shadrak) SPEECH (Liz) hi e-less (anne) from me you mean (ck) hi e-less (anne) e-less, i am going to open us a new site at geo for societal, will send email about where we are moving and then we will need to change urls too (e-less) hello everyone - (shadrak) I think we have completed all of the assignments. Some of you may want to pursue JS or other challenges, which is fine, but I think the group effort ought to be on page content. Discussion? (e-less) i should have fun with changing urls - can't keep my own straight (e-less) chris - thanks for the kind ,supportive words (ck) There shouldn't be too much of that, mostly the home buttons *** flamingo (flamingo@ad65-218.compuserv e.com) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o flamingo (shadrak) hi flamingo (ck) you are welcome e-less (anne) shad, some might just want to try a js routine for homework (ck) hi flamingo (flamingo) Hi everyone! (Tina) hi flamingo (ingo) Hi flam -ingo (anne) ck has content now on the health page ;) (anne) take a look later (e-less) hi flam-ing- sans e (shadrak) hey birdie. (flamingo) Hi ingo without the flam (Liz) hi flamingo (you beat me to it ingo) (ck) believe it or not (ck) did we nix the form response idea? (anne) no we did not nix it ck (ingo) flam, you should have seen Ghaten last nite totally confused who I was - she was certain it was you (e-less) anne- was the page I sent you one that you had seen befoe? (anne) oh that was leapin who was confused, not ghatten ingo (anne) i saw the same bio e=less (ingo) sorry, got mixed up (anne) but a different js resource page which i will add later to our resources (e-less) no - I know about the bio - couldn't get my page uploaded - 45 minutes - gave up - I meant my java site (flamingo) Ingo: That is too funny! (anne) http://www1.tip.nl/users/t485055/s cripts.htm (e-less) is good - no? (anne) that is a good one that e-less sent the url for guys (anne) flamingo, we are moving the site to another place in geocities, will email you the info after i have opened an account (flamingo) Ok anne (anne) everyone will need to change their pointers in their own files to new address (ck) looks interesting...but bleeding borders ;) (anne) and shadrak gets his house back (anne) we sure have become experts on bleeding borders, haha (shadrak) Tired of all the semi permanent guests! (e-less) that's why I liked it (Liz) anne, until then do we have to go to a shelter? :-) (e-less) the bleeding drop-off edge (anne) tee-hee (ck) lol liz (shadrak) 4 just get out of my house! (Liz) LOL (ck) it is such a space-age house shad (flamingo) Oh, I'm glad that it is warm down here! (anne) hahahahaha, guests are like fish, after 3 days they stink huh (shadrak) you said it anne:) (ck) my mother-in-law once asked why we don't stay longer than 3 days and I told her that quote (anne) oh good one ck (ck) she wasn't amused (e-less) funny - we're having fish tonight - it does stink - it's more than 3 days old (Liz) ck, but probably appreciative (from the fish perspective) (ck) for the response form....I put an example form on one of the homework pages, with instructions (anne) oh good ck (Liz) is anyone going to read e-less her lasts rights :) (e-less) last rites? (anne) oh that is the one from lesson 6 chris? (shadrak) I don't like the "working page" button on our main page. Doesn't make any sense to me. Discussion? (ck) The javascript enabled can volunteer to each do a verification for each field (plus the wanna-be enabled) (ck) I agree shadrak (ck) I will look anne (Tina) we have to have a button somewhere for the working page (anne) so we will just add checking and what else (Tina) a link... so people can get to it... other classmates who may want to look at what we've done (anne) tina, shad wants to break up the work page to one that is who we are and another can be our mission (anne) but i agree with you tina, that we need it (shadrak) Ought to be called "Goals and People" or something like that. (ck) what my instructions fail to include is the need for a (form) (/form) (anne) that will not fit on the button shad (anne) unless two buttons, with jump links and same page (ck) yes, working page (a name I coined) is kinda weird (shadrak) Two buttons then. Like I said, the work page should be split anyhow. (ck) With paul's page masters we had a hidden button (e-less) but - did you see my earlier meddage/ - a button with a mouseover to reveal more text - it was a javascript (e-less) meddage=message with help from dog's nose (anne) oh neat, but we want others to get there too ck (anne) the problem with mouseover is that it screws up the bottom screen for other urls sometimes (shadrak) nah (ck) we will tell our friends, like a picture of a cat eating a frog wil be the button, they will know (anne) that one had (applet) in it so had to be some java there too e-less (e-less) this was in a frame by itself at the bottom (anne) that took up too much space tho (anne) and i do not think we want to worry if people are enabled for JS like bec does not surf with java or JS turned on (anne) could be called "project pages" too (anne) that link to mission and homework pages (ck) http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/P lains/1238/sampform.html (== sample form (anne) k thanks ck brb (ck) I like goals (anne) goals is fine with me too (anne) ck, i was playing with flamingo's survey (ck) or 'About Us' or 'About This Project' (anne) there is a command for text that it came formatted nicely to me sent out of netscape mail (anne) tina has got to fit it on a button to match the others tho (ck) I believe that netscape mail has an auto-format for e-mail sent by forms. (shadrak) NS mail handles the formatting. Other mail clients don't. (shadrak) it does ck (shadrak) But there's a free formatter available fro other clients. (anne) (FORM METHOD=POST ACTION="mailto:a hartman@wwnet.com ?subject=Survey" ENCTYPE="text/plain") (anne) that is what i wondered shad, which email programs do not (anne) for the email formatter you substitute (anne) ENCTYPE="application/x-www-form-ur lencoded" (anne) that is in that forms, tables, frames tutorials that sal gave us -) [anne] PING (anne) i am pinging out, hope maybe flamingo, can you send me a log (anne) something about monday nites ;( -) [anne] PING (shadrak) for (ck) Yes, that is the only way to e-mail a form. It is your browser that handled the formatting. (ck) Not all browsers can handle the 'mailto', so not all surfers will be able to submit the form (ck) shad, do you know of a formatter available for Eudora? (anne) oh i am back now (ingo) chris, isn't there the problem that a browser has to be set up for the user's account otherwise it will not work -) [anne] PING (shadrak) ck, you mentioned a questionnai re with feedback, etc. Do you have something specific in mind? Care to write a "proposal"? (ck) that is true also (ck) It wasnt me, it was AnnE (anne) right shad (ck) shad has asked u to write a proposal anne (anne) just check boxes if they visited all the sites, and some comments about they found interesting (anne) well went from two minute ping to 38 sec ping (ck) I want to learn more about ENCTYPE, do you know the URL that sal gave us? (anne) brb (shadrak) Until I have some idea of what people have in mind, I can't even guess how big a script it would take. That simple example someone pointed us to with three questions would take a lot of lines of code to sort out. (anne) http://junior.apk.net/~jbarta/ (ck) I suggest that Anne do the form, and I volunteer to write JS for one of the fields, the rest of the team can each tackle a field. (anne) professional web design and has the downloadable tutorial as well as online ck (shadrak) What if the fields interact? (anne) how can we do that shad (ck) thanx anne, I am looking it up now (Tina) what do you mean write for one of the other fields (Tina) what fields (ck) Do you want them to shad? (anne) ck, even if you do not use the email formatter to read it, it still comes in better than the paired values you talked about (ck) Anne makes a form, then you take a look at the form and volunteer to write a validation script for one of the fields (not all fields will need to be validated) (flamingo) I will need to work with someone to do this JS... also we only need to do a SIMPLE JS for the class. (shadrak) If the feed back is dependent on answers to more than one question, it takes some skilled programming to sort it all out. (anne) simple is a good idea flam (ck) Well we have at least two here, I am not afraid (ck) I am sure that Anne's form will be simple (anne) hahahaha (shadrak) My view is that we have completed the class assignmnet (but feel free to add stuff if you want). We are talking about something for contnet. (anne) what do we want to know from our viewers (Tina) Remember, we've also got to finish our pages content wise (anne) true, (Tina) It has to be completed and passed in by the deadline (anne) it is just we said we were going to do that (flamingo) I would like to spend the next 3 weeks on making my pages mean something (anne) and it will take a bit to move our stuff too (shadrak) me too f! (anne) ck, let's work on the form this weekend *** sailorme (finley@199.174.146.3) has joined #societal (anne) hi sailor (ck) ok, I bet we could get ingo into the act (shadrak) Pages do not have to be COMPLETE in 3 weeks. Just "open for business" * sailorme presents2* anne *with a perfect4 *RED* rose 4@3}-'-)-,-)----- (anne) education is still getting more content too (anne) thanks sailor (sailorme) any one seen leapin (ingo) ck, thanks for your confidence - you got more confidence in me than I have (anne) that is true shad, we can still keep adding, but need to look like they are fairly complete (anne) no sign of leapin sailor (ck) I have seen what you can do ingo (anne) she was here last nite tho (ingo) Thanks again - I am better in finding than actual doing I'm afraid (anne) hahaha (flamingo) If we have completed the assignments then I think that it is important to make sure that our pages our conveying good content (ingo) but I will try (sailorme) if you see her i have the song she is looking for seasons in the sun by tarry jacks (ck) I think we are looking fairly complete (sailorme) big file tho 1.6 meg * anne congratulates sailorme on finding the music ;) (anne) you have been looking a long time for that one * sailorme says2 **See Ya Later**4{{{{{{{1 anne 4}}}}}}} (anne) ck, that looked like a good homework link you sent (anne) nite sailor * sailorme says2 **See Ya Later**4{{{{{{{1 shadrak 4}}}}}}} *** sailorme (finley@199.174.146.3) has left #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +s (ck) maybe they will help me with mine ;) (anne) knew you were gonna do that shadrak (anne) any other suggestions for content from anybody? (shadrak) I sent him private messages saying meeting was private. Was on verge of kicking him (anne) tina, what do you think about how to link the bios and goals part??? (Tina) doesn't matter (Tina) we can linke one or both on the front page (anne) probably should do both (Tina) anne, it's gonna be a big job getting everything transferred (anne) it sure is (shadrak) I agree. I will break the working page into two parts: goals.html and people.html (anne) but i have confidence we can do it (flamingo) Anne, what about that link on the File manager that moves everything to a new site? (Tina) well I'll wait till the site is transferred before I do the buttons and upload them (anne) flamingo, shadrak is keeping his address tho (anne) we are just going to get a new site (shadrak) We think it closes the old site f. (flamingo) ok (anne) i know it closes the old site if you just move it flamingo (flamingo) k (anne) we gotta keep the 1200 block parts (anne) for the street map ;) (e-less) wouldn't it make sense for us to have our bios each on our own site/ (anne) e-less the stuff that does not change is easiest to keep all in one place (shadrak) wherever you want them is fine. Just make sure the link is correct. (flamingo) Anne, who is getting the new site? (anne) we can fill up the site with all our stuff * ck is now greatful she kept forgetting to put the home button on her homework pages (anne) i will use another email address and open (flamingo) great anne (e-less) my husband just got a new site at Heartland/plains - 5884 - we're offering it to the group - haven't move d in yet (ck) it would be nice to stay on the plains (anne) sounds good to me if you want to offer it (ingo) to start a new topic - can of worms - is there any free site that provides more than 2 meg (anne) but do you have enuf email addresses to open another one too (anne) cybercity has more, but was too slow in the past (shadrak) cybercities in Hong Kong offers 5 meg (shadrak) We had an Infosources page there ingo (e-less) yes - I can use my work one too - but let me see how dificult it is to get a site - can I let you know tomorrow/ (e-less) Also, I would like to ask the group if I can use some of the material we've found in our Intranet in the trainingsection? (anne) brb phone call from boss (shadrak) Don't understand your question e-less. (anne) that is fine e-less, i can still open one up too (ingo) I think I'm losing you guys - I am lagging badly (e-less) we have lots of space but unfortunately are paranoid about opening up access *** ini (a066@dialup1.lambton.on.ca) has joined #societal (anne) oh he did ping out (e-less) I mean - can I put some of the stuff we did for homeworjk on our server - giving due credit of course *** ini has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) *** ingo has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) (anne) i don't know why not e-less (anne) does anybody object (anne) that is what we are here for to learn and help others learn (Tina) but can we see it on your server (ck) I have no objections (shadrak) 4 Quick Copywrite Everything! (Tina) oh it's for tohers (Tina) sure go ahead ;b *** ingo (a066@dialup1.lambton.on.ca) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o ingo (shadrak) hi ingo (Tina) bops Shad with a moose ;b (ck) I have to get off my phone line for a few minutes; brb (e-less) no - unfortunately not - we are very paranoid *** ck (~emeraldCi@ts3-198.pacific.net) has left #societal (ingo) hi everybody again (flamingo) wb flameless (anne) e-less, i will go looking in heartland too for an address * shadrak says to ingo What do I do with my spare time? You're looking at it! (ingo) pressed the wrong button when I tried to drop ingo * shadrak says to ingo I t±ld yo±, "Never±touch ±he flop±y disk s±rface!" (e-less) ok - annE - it's a race then - see who comes up first - but the Heart;and Plains is available if we can't find another (anne) i great (anne) k (ingo) shad, will try hard (e-less) Ingo - I type badly becuae my dog has turned off teh light with his tail and is nudging me - all in English (anne) hahaha (anne) i still think it is amazing that you guys really climb mountains with your dogs e-less (ingo) e-less I could not resist when I heard about your stay at the HfG (e-less) resist what (ingo) you did not get my message yet (e-less) no - my husband hogs the computer (ingo) As an Ulmer Spatz I had to respond - in German (e-less) Anne - too funny about the dogs going alone (e-less) Achh (Tina) well guys I'm going (e-less) but check out my new background bio when it finally makes it to geocities (Tina) talk to you later (ingo) see yea, Tina (shadrak) ns4 is about to crash my system. So if I disappear, Nite All! (flamingo) seeya tina! *** Tina (tatyana@stjhts04c29.nbnet.nb.ca ) has left #societal (anne) nite tina (anne) and shad when you get crashed nite for then (anne) e-less, wonder if your hubby can transfer account to my email address? (ingo) same from here - nite shad if you leave (flamingo) Shad, do you like NS 4? (e-less) shadrak - do you really like the background on your frame behind the menu bar? (e-less) yep - O'm sure he can (anne) he mite be pinging out e-less and cannot see your question (e-less) ok - I will ask later - e-mail (anne) gonna say nite guys too (ingo) k, nite anne (anne) will keep working on content ;) (e-less) nite Anne Session Close: Mon Mar 17 21:43:41 1997Back to log list
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