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<RiffRaff> poor girl, she's still trying to find the mirc page...so she can d-load it.
<TXJune> I've tried to tell her your not supposed to do that; Sandy probably wants to know what "dirty" we are saying LOL
<TXJune> Hi bev
<RiffRaff> hello Bev!
<RiffRaff> finally she joins us. :)
<wolflady> Hi, June, Paul!
<TXJune> We're trying to get Sandy on
<RiffRaff> she's been sitting there in the ozone since i got here. :)
<TXJune> LOL Had to send out rescue ships. LOL
<wolflady> What's her problem?
RiffRaff tosses life preservers all around.
<RiffRaff> she had Pirch lurches.
<TXJune> Now there is a dangerous question
<RiffRaff> so now she's trying to get Mirc.
<RiffRaff> so if she finds her way through the internet murk, she'll soon have mirc. :)
<wolflady> Do either of you understand the message boards at VU? Where is the notice about where the meeting is tonight/
<TXJune> daytime is a bad time to download; busy
<RiffRaff> its here, at 10 PM ..EST.
<TXJune> When I checked the VU boards yesterday, they still weren't working.
<TXJune> Haven't checked today
RiffRaff could go see whats up.
<wolflady> Where's Sandy trying to get mirc/
<RiffRaff> i dunno..she just said she's trying to get it. :)
<TXJune> They drive me nuts (the VU boards); who knows with Sandy; LOL
<RiffRaff> June is a very mean person to Sandy. :)  we're going to have to keep an eye on those two. :)
<TXJune> She's emailing Paul and I back and forth; oops another email; in both email packages; brb
<RiffRaff> LOL!  see?
<RiffRaff> there she goes again. :)
<RiffRaff> Bev, where's your page at?
<RiffRaff> oh never mind..i saved it. :)
<wolflady> http:www.geocities.com/~wolflady/
<TXJune> It WAS her; said to log all the dirty things we are saying about her. LOL
<RiffRaff> no animation on yours yet, Bev?
<RiffRaff> I'm not logging a thing, yet. :)
<TXJune> Told her she would have to show up to find out. LOL
<TXJune> Hey NOW; June is NOT a mean person. LOL ROFL
<wolflady> just checked my mail...finally getting it again after the snow. Don't know if I missed anything yesterday
<TXJune> Saw that Paul. LOL
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<TXJune> I din't get anything yesterday from the group
<RiffRaff> well, thats easier said than done. :)
<kko> Hi all! Karen here. Glad to see more people from webocats!
<TXJune> Hi Karen
<wolflady> hi, Karen
<kko> To ask the question that everyone's already asked - what time is our study group getting together tonight?
<RiffRaff> wow, Bev...how can I light my own candle on here?
<TXJune> I'm going to try to be here one or two hours before the group meeting which is at 7 pacific
RiffRaff puts a paw over his mouth.
<TXJune> I'll be here about 6 pm or 7pm Central time
<kko> I'm going to be here about 1 hour before the meeting.  I also wanted to say that I think the group is going in a very good direction.
<RiffRaff> hi Karen!  Paul here!
RiffRaff offers his paw.
<wolflady> you can copy the candle or get it from the link...everyone who wants is putting them on their page for Missy
<TXJune> Did Missy take her page down totally?
<RiffRaff> well, the whole 825 class meets at 7:00 PST...
<kko> If we're on still on the topic of web design, I'll spend some time this afternoon looking for graphics.
TXJune puts a bug leg over her mouth. LOL
<TXJune> What graphics do you need?
<wolflady> Missy is awake and a little better and told her family to put them back up...so you can read her journal now.
<TXJune> Oh good, I need to finish reading Dec and Jan
<kko> we'll need some graphics, according to the first week's syllabus. I thought I'd look around my DTP packages and see what's there.
<wolflady> I spent the last couple days folowing endless links for graphics...what are you looking for, Karen?
<kko> Newbie IRC question: can I see your 'actions', and this candle thing you're talking about? I'm using Netscape chat.
<wolflady> June, when do we need to have our page up by? And have we decided on where?
<TXJune> It's leaning towards Geocities; and I think we should finish our voting tonight for sure.
<TXJune> Then we can put our group page up as our into; while we are working on the other pages
<TXJune> I was looking for one, two or three "houses" at Geo that are together in the same neighborhood
<TXJune> Then we can go to the neighborhood block and get to all 2 or 3 with just the back arrow
<RiffRaff> sorry, had a phone call...
<TXJune> Are we gonna use the Heartland neighborhood or where? Any ideas there?
<TXJune> (Plus we can link the "houses" to our pages)
<TXJune> kko; I think the candle is on wolflady's home page
<RiffRaff> it is...
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RiffRaff is still at the site...
<Troi-> hi TxJune and All.. Its Pattie here.. :)
<TXJune> I know nothing about Netscape
<RiffRaff> hello Pattie. :)  Paul here...
RiffRaff offers a paw.
<TXJune> Oh, sorry I thought she had put it up
<Troi-> hi Paul
<TXJune> Hi Patti
<Troi-> I take RiffRaff is our resident IRC expertn eh?
<RiffRaff> who me??
<kko> great. I can find that. thanks
<Troi-> :)
<RiffRaff> no way...June recruited me. :)
<TXJune> hehehehehe
<RiffRaff> I'm just dis cat, y'know.. :)
<Troi-> well, if you need any help, I am an OP on 4 channels in Dalnet, so I kinda know my way around.. :)
<wolflady> hi, Patty
<TXJune> Oh get we need all the help we can get
<Troi-> Hi WolfLady!!
<RiffRaff> good... seems like tonite we'll be using moderators for the big meeting.
<TXJune> good not get
<TXJune> LOL
<RiffRaff> when is the WeboCats meeting gonna be, June?
<Troi-> Well, Might not be able to make tonights meeting, unless my friend at the Superbowl Party let me use his PC... 
<TXJune> I'll be here an hour or 2 before the big meeting; I'll set up the channel is noone else has
<RiffRaff> it'll be after the Stupor Bowl...10 PM. :)
<RiffRaff> unless it goes into overtime, which i doubt. :)
<Troi-> Well, I live in AZ...
<Troi-> superbowl from 4-8 here..
<RiffRaff> i meant, 10 PM..EST.
<TXJune> I refuse to speak of the super bowl; after what the cowboys did; LOL
<RiffRaff> there she goes again, putting down the cowboys. :)
<Troi-> LOL.. my fav team the Redskins did'nt make it either
<TXJune> ;-P
<Troi-> :)
<RiffRaff> my browns dont even EXIST anymore! :)
<RiffRaff> so quit complainin'!
<TXJune> LOL ROFL
<Troi-> heheheeh
<RiffRaff> Least you girls GOT a football team. :)
<RiffRaff> the whole city of Cleveland declared Art Modell Public Enemy #1. :)
<Troi-> do you guys know how to log the conversation?
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<Clay> hey all
<TXJune> Yeah, I'm real proud of the way mines acting this year NOT!!!!!!!!!!
<TXJune> Hi Clay
<RiffRaff> hi Clay... :)
<Troi-> hi Clay!
<RiffRaff> I know how, Troi...
<Clay> how is everyone doin?
<Troi-> good.. :)
<RiffRaff> Troi: was that a rhetorical question, or were you asking?
<TXJune> brb another email; is it Sandy????????????????
<RiffRaff> LOL!!
<RiffRaff> SANDY!!
<wolflady> June, Geo allows everything the class calls for but cgi, but the lesson says cgi and non-cgi forms. Does that mean we don't have to use cgi on our page?
<Troi-> yeah RiffRaff.. just ready to help if you needed it, but you have it under control. :)
<RiffRaff> Troi: oh, phooey, Patti..I need your help, believe me. :)
<Troi-> Wolflady.. we could have a link to someone else's page who allows cgi.. that may be an idea.
<Clay> anyone have any good pics I could put on my page? msg me! 
<Clay> anyone here on a mac?
RiffRaff doesn't wanna be an IRC op, he wants to be a webmaster...big difference here. :)
<Troi-> LOL RiffRaff
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<RiffRaff> my web server allows cgi.
<Troi-> Mine does too..
<RiffRaff> dont ask me how they work, but they do. :)
<Troi-> :)
<RiffRaff> Troi: what do you know about Java? :)
<Troi-> I don't know all the ins and outs of CGI yet either, but I guess I will learn bit by bit.. :)
<Troi-> I don't know much about Java either... :(
<RiffRaff> me too. :)  I want to put animation in my web pages.
<TXJune> I'm back; it was Sandy; she's gunning for us Paul. LOL
<Troi-> I downloaded an animated gif for one of my pages.. its pretty cool.
<wolflady> Troi, have you done anything with it...can you explain to me?
<RiffRaff> LOL
<RiffRaff> uhoh...
<Troi-> Gee, I wish I could wolflady, but I don't know that much about it to explain how it works to anyone yet.. 
<RiffRaff> explain how animated gifs get used as source code, if you can too, Patti...
<RiffRaff> oh well..forget I asked that. :)
<Troi-> LOL
<wolflady> Hasn't she found the mirc page yet?!
<RiffRaff> she's a LOTTA help. :)
<TXJune> She's downloaded and setting up now
<RiffRaff> good for her...
<Troi-> I'm not sure how it works, it is in the form of just a regular graphic, I did'nt have to do anything special on my web page to account for it, just stuck it in like any other graphic..
<RiffRaff> Patti?  I think you just load the gif as multiple gifs, and html reloads each frame.
<TXJune> As for the question on cgi; that's why I want to go ahead and maybe get the site on Cybercity; we can use scripts there.
<TXJune> We can link from our page on Geo
<Troi-> that sounds good June.. :)
RiffRaff opens up his "HTML for Dummies" book again.
<Troi-> LOL.. I have that book too RiffRaff
<Troi-> and a How to Use HTML 3 book..
<RiffRaff> "Teach yourself Web Publishing in HTML 3.0 in a Week - and then sprout wings and fly!"
<Troi-> ROFL
<RiffRaff> by Professor Von Shtook.
<RiffRaff> Author of the very successful:  Your Web Page and why the Hell it Wont work.
<Troi-> hahahahhahahah
<TXJune> I need that book. LOL
Troi- says "STOP.. your making my sides hurt from laughing..
<TXJune> I need a "IRC for Dummies"
<RiffRaff> oh sorry, Patti... I like to make people laugh.. :)
RiffRaff puts a paw over his mouth.
<kko> Well, folks, I've got to put a loaf of bread in the oven, and get ready for a superbowl party, so I'll see you all tonight! TTFN!
<TXJune> I LIKE to laugh.;-0
<Troi-> LOL.. that is good Paul... I like to do that too.. :)
<RiffRaff> tata Karen!
<RiffRaff> er tah tah
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<TXJune> That must hurt, Paul
<wolflady> bye,Karen
<TXJune> LOL
<RiffRaff> too slow. :)
<TXJune> Are you declawed?
<RiffRaff> h this is cute:
RiffRaff looks at his claws.
<Troi-> are we still kind going with the idea of the Who, What and Why of Web Design? topic for the group?
<RiffRaff> theres a section here that says: Can I use CGI?
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<RiffRaff> SANDY!! she's alive!!
<Troi-> Hi SandyME!!!!!
<TXJune> SHE MADE IT
<wolflady> I'm trying to type with a 100 lb German shepherd in my lap...it'd slow you down too *grin*
<SandyMe> Well, well what do we have here??LOL
<Troi-> Pattie D. Here... 
<TXJune> Shhh everyone we have to be nice now. ROFL
<RiffRaff> well, in conclusion, i'd just like to say...oh, Hello Sandy. :)
<Troi-> LOL Paul
<TXJune> LOL
<SandyMe> Hi RR, Troi, Paul and TX
<wolflady> Sandy!!
RiffRaff hugs Sandy, glad she made it.
<SandyMe> Opps Wolfies too
<TXJune> RiffRaff is Paul
<SandyMe> OH LOL
<RiffRaff> I am?
<RiffRaff> oh..right, I forget so much these days...
<SandyMe> cool name , does it fit??
<TXJune> Did you check your claws yet
<RiffRaff> Paul fits, sure. :)
<TXJune> He's a riot
<RiffRaff> I look like a Paul. :)
<SandyMe> Lots of claws
<SandyMe> you look like a PAW???
<TXJune> LOL ROFL
RiffRaff purrrs happily and curls up, looking too cute for mere mortals to behold.
<SandyMe> LOL
Troi- slaps RiffRaff up one side and down the other with a wet noodle!
<Troi-> heheheh
<TXJune> Kin to Ghatten
<TXJune> OH no; wet noodle fight!!!!!!!!!
<SandyMe> yes I guess lots of cats in here
<RiffRaff> oh great, well, I know Troi has Mirc now. :)
<Troi-> :) sure do..
<SandyMe> Wolflady, what's you real name? Bev?
<wolflady> Bev
<SandyMe> ok, just like to know who is who :)
<RiffRaff> ok..wait..there's June, Sandy, Bev, Karen, and Patti so far, right?
<Troi-> yeap.. you got it.. 
<SandyMe> Karen??
<RiffRaff> Karen was kko.
<Troi-> Pattie.. with an e please.. :)
<SandyMe> oh ok
<RiffRaff> oh, Sandy, girl you missed her long ago. :)
<SandyMe> good! LOL
<TXJune> She's baking bread
<RiffRaff> Pattie..I'm sorry. :)
<Troi-> No problememo.. :)
<SandyMe> he isn't really Pattie
<SandyMe> LOL
<Troi-> LOL
<RiffRaff> no, I'm not...
<SandyMe> LOL
<RiffRaff> I dont think I'd pass for a Pattie. :)
<Troi-> ok.. just for that
Troi- slaps RiffRaff up one side and down the other with a wet noodle!
<RiffRaff> if a car runs over me, maybe. :)
<RiffRaff> ow!
<Troi-> :)
<SandyMe> teach me how to do scripts,pretty please!
<TXJune> What are scripts?????????
<SandyMe> or was that just an action message?
<Troi-> oh.. that was one of my popups..
<TXJune> Oh
<SandyMe> where did it pop up from??? :)
<TXJune> Popups is what I want to learn
<Troi-> ok.. sandy you have Mirc 4.72 so you can do it too
<TXJune> I thought it was a /me
<SandyMe> I have it!!
<SandyMe> Just got it.
<RiffRaff> yeah, took her long enough to get it..she'd better have it. :)
<Troi-> Not sure about you June.. I dont know about Pirch.
<SandyMe> OK Riffy!!! :) Ruff!
RiffRaff giggles.
<Troi-> sandy.. if you click on the persons name over on the right, you will get a menu
SandyMe says let's forget the meetings and play
<SandyMe> oh ok
<Troi-> click on their name, and then the left mouse button
<TXJune> thats what we are doing; playing
TXJune puts a bug leg over her mouth
<Troi-> at the bottom of the list, you should see something called Slap!
<SandyMe> left mouse button doesn't do anything
<Troi-> highlight their name first
SandyMe slaps TXJune around a bit with a large trout
<Troi-> there ya go..
<SandyMe> oh ok it was right mouse button, :)
<TXJune> I have something called Slam; think that it
<SandyMe> thanks Troi!
<TXJune> Watch it RR will grab that fish
<TXJune> LOL
<SandyMe> can you change the sayings??
RiffRaff licks his chops.
<wolflady> is it the same in Pirch, Troi?
<TXJune> TXJune slams a 60 lb unix manual on SandyMe 's head. That gotta hurt... but then again... where there's no sense... there's no feeling!
<Troi-> ok.. if you want to change that sandy.. go to the 8th button over from the left at the top of the screen. this is your PopUp menu
<SandyMe> Hey you!!!
<TXJune> That was the slam thing in Pirch. Cool
<TXJune> TXJune slams a 60 lb unix manual on Troi- 's head. That gotta hurt... but then again... where there's no sense... there's no feeling!
<TXJune> LOL
<Troi-> then pick nicknames list, and at the bottom you will see the command that does the slap..  you can copy from there to make your own.. :)
<SandyMe> Troi, that's a big list there!
<wolflady> June, you have Pirch?
<SandyMe> ok thanks
<RiffRaff> well...there's a few animations here I want to see if I can do..brb, girls...
<TXJune> Yes I have Pirch
<Troi-> I don't know about Pirch Wolflady.. sorry
<Troi-> Bye Paul!!
<TXJune> I used the slam thing in the right mouse click menu
SandyMe slaps Troi- around a bit with a large trout
<SandyMe> hey it didn't change it??
<Troi-> well all, I gotta get going and get to the Superbowl party, but I will try and check in from there, or see if anyone is here when I get back..
<wolflady> June, explain it to me...the dog in my lap and the 15 year old who is trying to get on my puter are really slowing me down here. LOL
<SandyMe> bye !!!
<TXJune> Go to someones name and click on it
<SandyMe> Where you going Paul???
<TXJune> Then right mouse click
<SandyMe> who are you talking to??
<TXJune> There is a Slam there; just click on it; should slam whoevers name you've highlighted
<Troi-> Try adding these command at the bottom of the rest Sandy
<Troi->  Slap!:/me slaps $$1 up one side and down the other with a wet noodle!
<Troi-> Boo!:/me sneaks up behind $$1 and says BOO!
<Troi-> Hug!:/me runs over and gives $$1 a Warm and Fuzzy HUG!!!
<wolflady> wolflady slams a 60 lb unix manual on TXJune 's head. That gotta hurt... but then again... where there's no sense... there's no feeling!
<TXJune> OOPs I hit the wrong button; made a msg page sorry wolflady
<SandyMe> Troi it didn't change the slap command, do you load it?
<wolflady> got it LOL.. or you did! now how can I change it?
<RiffRaff> so!  this is what we learn, minless violence and gratuitous hugging? :)
<TXJune> I have no idea
<TXJune> LOL
<Troi-> LOL 
<RiffRaff> why not make a page of fish-slapping??
<RiffRaff> or unix boom slamming? :)
<TXJune> I'm looking around in teh Pirch menus now
<RiffRaff> er book
<TXJune> the
<wolflady> iLIKE mindless violence and gratuitous hugging!
Troi- pushes SandyMe into the pool..... SPLASH!
<RiffRaff> ok...let's see if this works now...according to you girls, all i gotta do is save the animated gif to my html source as img src.
<RiffRaff> brb...
SandyMe slaps Troi- with a chocolate cream pie
<Troi-> i just made that one up sandy.. so yours should work.. just click on OK after you change something
<Troi-> there ya go!!!!!
<SandyMe> I hear beeping
<Troi-> you go girl!!!  LOL
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<TXJune> RR; you have to upload you graphic to your server too; FTP
<TXJune> Where'd sandy go??????
<wolflady> Yeah, Paul...it'll animate when it's loaded. If you want some pages you can get some ani's, I'll email em to you.
<RiffRaff> I know, June...trying to find the gif animations... 
<RiffRaff> i thought a bunch saved with the animator program...
<RiffRaff> hmmm....
<Troi-> ok.. now I really gotta go.. even though I am having so much fun here.. Talk to ya all soon!!!!
<Troi-> bye bye!!!
<RiffRaff> bye Pattie...
<TXJune> BYE
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<TXJune> Well, I gotta go for a couple hours; daughters turn on teenchat
<wolflady> bye, June...gotta go too.
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<TXJune> I'll be back a 7 or 8 my time (Central); I think the big meeting is 9 my time
<SandyMe> I got lost!!
<TXJune> Sandy we are leaving. LOL
<SandyMe> oh great! LOL
<RiffRaff> bye June..take care. :)
<TXJune> Daughters turn on irc chat
<TXJune> I'll Be BACK though
<SandyMe> oh ok! Cya all!! Bye, bye
<TXJune> cya'll then; this was fun
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<wolflady> gotta give up my puter to my son, too! LOL
<TXJune> daughter wants to know if he's a teen; LOL
<wolflady> 16
<RiffRaff> hey June?
<TXJune> is he gonna go chat?
<RiffRaff> having a problem...
<TXJune> what prob? Riff
<wolflady> oh, yeah....he's addicted.
<RiffRaff> umm...how do i ftp an animation over?  it's not doing it.
<TXJune> she's going to allteens on Dalnet
<RiffRaff> out of my animator gif files...
<TXJune> No I mean FTP it to your server to put it on your page
<RiffRaff> i tried that. :(
<RiffRaff> using CuteFTP?
<TXJune> I have to FTP to Geocities
<RiffRaff> i have a server domain though...
<RiffRaff> I can just place it right up...
<RiffRaff> but it's not letting me. :(
<TXJune> No; I forgot the name of mine; its windows something
<TXJune> I'll write you and email Paul; kid is killing me; wolflady her nick is Mindy if he would like to meet her
<TXJune> an
<TXJune> gotta go: Parent abuse; LOL
<RiffRaff> ok June...
<RiffRaff> see yas...
<wolflady> I'll tell him, June....see ya tonight. bye, RR
<TXJune> bye, ya'll
<RiffRaff> bye WF. :)
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<Troi-> Nope.. Mirc 4.72
<Troi-> WB Wolflady!
ana is on IRC
Kwahts nods
<Sweetcake> I think we should stay in here and get our business finished as we have a lot too do. They want a basic explaination page up at our site before next week is over. We need to set an definate topic tonight.
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<Troi-> I agree.. but since Kwhats can be in both places, maybe he will volunteer? to log the other conversation there for us..
<Troi-> Hi Counselor..
<Kwahts> Hmmm.... How do I log?
<Troi-> hmm not sure in pirch..
<TXJune> I'm logging both
<Troi-> I know how to set it up for mirc..
<Troi-> oh.. you are TX.. good girl.. :)
<Counselor> I think I'll have *READ* problems managing 2 rooms.  Can we have our meeting here then go to the other room for class?
TXJune wags tail. WOOF! WOOF!!
<Kwahts> Hmmm... I think I have it...which channel should I log?
<Troi-> ROFL
Troi- thinks TxJune.. is a comedian.. :)
<Counselor> I mean *REAL* trouble...
<TXJune> Me!!!!!!!!!?????????
<Sweetcake> I think you can check loggin defaults under options, preferences but you may have to restart PIRCH for them to take effect.
<Troi-> heheh
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<Kwahts> Which room are you interested in logging?
<Sweetcake> Options, preferences, logs
<TXJune> Nope I just checked log channel; hope its working. my note didn't stop logging one when I started logging the other
<Troi-> Kwahts.. maybe you should log the one on sprynet.. and June can log the one here on buffnet.
<Troi-> just to make sure the bases are covered..
Kwahts nods...okay, I'll try it...
<TXJune> I'm not logging Sprynet
<TXJune> I'm logging #825 and ours
<Kwahts> Okay, I told it to log the channel to file...but
<Kwahts> there's just joking going on there, now...
<Kwahts> half an hour early
<TXJune> That's all that goes on in there
<TXJune> I've checked it all week and some of it gets rank
Kwahts nods
<Sweetcake> I can't believe it but I did it! Am connected to both servers!
<Kwahts> Do we need to make some decisions?
<TXJune> Yeah, Sweetcakes
<Kwahts> HURRAY!
<TXJune> Yes, lots of decisons
<TXJune> dicisions
<TXJune> I can't spell for poop
<Counselor> Where should we begin?
<TXJune> Group name?
<Kwahts> 4,1447_8_9_11.13*47.8*999991113*4.78*9.11_13_4_1.
<Kwahts> 4,1447.8*911.13*48 13*9.11`13*4.1.
<Kwahts> 4,1447:78:8888 H U R R A Y 889:911:1.
<Kwahts> 4,1447`8*9.11`13*4.8 13*911.13*41.
<Kwahts> 4,14478911`13*4.7`8*9.999911.13*47.8*9111341.
<Troi-> WOW!!!
<Troi-> cool Kwhats..
<TXJune> webpage theme?
<TXJune> Meeting days 
<Sweetcake> Yes we need to decide on a topic for our page. Make sure Web-o-Cats is an aggreed upon page.  Actually get webspace and make a basic page about us and what our topic is about and  I think that's it except for emailing everything to our instructors.
<Troi-> Who, What, Where.. of The Web!
<TXJune> Sasha emailed her vote: WebOCats and Beyond HTML
<Troi-> Who gets on the web, What do they do there, Where do they come from, maybe evern Why do they do it..
<Sweetcake> I think Web-O-Cats is just fine for a name! Even though I don't like cats!
Kwahts nods.
<Sweetcake> Any day and or time is just fine for me.
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<Kwahts> I accept the name, but the topic seems kinda weak.
<TXJune> I'm not found of cats either
<Sweetcake> Beyond HTML is a fine topic for me also.
<TXJune> I like Beyond HTML; learning to make pages with others in mind...
<Sweetcake> I just want to get started!
<Kwahts> Does anyone have thoughts on what
<Kwahts> Anyone have a thought on what  "makes a difference" means?
<TXJune> Me too
Kwahts nods
<TXJune> Social causes?
<Sweetcake> Kwats do you have any idea on how to fine tune the idea to make it stronger?
<TXJune> Like Jeffs page
<Troi-> I don't mind cats, but the name sounds fine to me..
<Kwahts> Well...how about "web pages that are making a difference...going beyond...etc
<TXJune> Beyond HTML
Kwahts nods.
<Kwahts> Same topic, but limit to socially relevant stuff.
<Troi-> how bout StarWebCats.. The New Frontier in Web Design
<Troi-> LOL
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<Sweetcake> that may be more along the ideas of what the instructors want as they did say a few time "Socially Relevant"
<Sweetcake> Welcome back Counselor!
<Troi-> all this talk of going beyond reminded me of the star trek them.. to go where no man has gone before.
<Kwahts> Hey!
<Kwahts> I like it.
<TXJune> They are setting ops on channel 825, leapin is here
<Counselor> Sorry folks, I had to switch computer..the other one was just tooslow.
<Troi-> WB Counselor
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<TXJune> LOL
<Troi-> WebsRus?
<Kwahts> WeboWebs??
<Troi-> hehehe
<Kwahts> IronWeb!
<Troi-> WebWeaving
<Sweetcake> Ok then I am going to disconnect from Spry net.
<Kwahts> Bronze&GoldWeb!
<Kwahts> LOL
<Sweetcake> SpiderWebbers
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<Troi-> hey... I kinda like mine.... now that I look at it.. WebWeaving... has a nice ring..
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<Sweetcake> Web0bunnies
<TeXJune> isp disconnected
<Kwahts> ThreadsOfGoldinAweb
<Troi-> wb June
<TeXJune> thanks
<Troi-> neat..
<wolflady> mine is acting flaky again, too.
<Troi-> WebWeavers
<Troi-> :)
<Kwahts> GoldenWeavers
<wolflady> Are we changing the name?
<Troi-> you have a thing about gold eh Kwhats... ?  :)
<Counselor> We're discussing it..
<Kwahts> LOL
<Kwahts> I need a bushel!
<Troi-> LOL
<TeXJune> brb; check email; might be Sandy. LOL
<Troi-> hehehe. dont we.. but I just know that Publishers clearinghouse will be knocking at my door after the Superbowl... ROFL...
<Counselor> I even prefer WeboCrats over WebOCats
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<TeXJune> Its back Steve
<Counselor> What's back?
<TeXJune> *25
<Sweetcake> Do we have an official name yet?  
<TeXJune> oops 825
<Counselor> Si anything going on in 825?
<TeXJune> not yet
<Sweetcake> I don't have that window opened yet..figures I'd wait until start time and concentrate more on finishing things up over here.
<Counselor> Well, it seems there's a few of us disatisfied with WebOCats, but we're not able to come up with anything better.
<Kwahts> Time for a vote?
<Sweetcake> Has anyone applied for webspace at Geocities & that Cybercities so we will be able to get going soon? We have to have a basic page up before the end of week 2.
<Sweetcake> YES!! LETS! VOTE!
<TeXJune> thats no problem
<TeXJune> doesn't take but 20 minutes to get basic up
<Troi-> ok.. if we are to vote.. whats the final suggestions?
<Sweetcake> The name is the easy part, I will go along with whatever anyone decides!  The topic part is the important thing.
Kwahts nods
<Sweetcake> We should put up our basic page at geocities to get started. Cybercities said it could take up to a week to get your id and password and stuff and they also said something about down time for upgrading.
<SteveC> Sweetcake: I have applied for both
<Counselor> I also prefer WebCrafters over the name WebOCats
<Troi-> I like WebCrafters over WebOCats..
<wolflady> I like WebCrafters better too.
<Kwahts> WebCrafters is spoken for
<Troi-> ahhh.. gosh darn it...
<Troi-> how bout CraftyWebs?
<Kwahts> WebOCrats  (with the R)?
<Sweetcake> Good...at least we have that part covered!  I like Webcrafters also!
<Counselor> Yeah, I like WebOCrats with the R.
<Sweetcake> I'll vote for Webcrafters also.
<Troi-> Sweetcake.. I think Kwhats said Webcrafters was spoken for allready.. :(
<Counselor> How about WebCrafters1?
<Sweetcake> That's fine with me also!
<Sweetcake> WebSpinners?
<Troi-> Well if we have to, I would go with WebOCrats.. with the 'r'
<Troi-> WebSpinners is really nice.
<Counselor> I like WebSpinners!
<Sweetcake> Just popped into my head.
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<Kwahts> Run an Altavista & see if it is a Registered Trademark?
<Troi-> Hi ya Sandy!
<SandyMe> Hi all
<TeXJune> Hi Sandy
<Sweetcake> Hello Sandy
<wolflady> Hi, Sandy
<TeXJune> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Sandy}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
<SandyMe> LOL (((((( to you)))))))
Kwahts waves hello to Sandy.
SandyMe waves to Kwahts
<SandyMe> how are we going to log the other class?
<Sweetcake> So Sandy.. what do you think of WebSpinners for a name?
<Counselor> Howdy Sandy
<SandyMe> Hi Counselor!!
<Sweetcake> I think a few people are logging it.
<SandyMe> That's cool with me!
<Troi-> Kwahts... even if it is a registered trademark.. we are not going to use it for any professional or monetary gain.. and will only use it for this class until its done.. 
<SandyMe> Oh that's right it is a trademark!
<Kwahts> Suits me, then.
<Troi-> Its is only our group name for the class.
SteveC is now known as who
<Counselor> Are we boing to be using the name anywhere on the page, or is it just for reference with the class?
<Sweetcake> But it will really be only used to identify our group to otructors and to make the name for our chatroom. We do not need it for anything else.
<SandyMe> don't ask me I have been sleeping! LOL a cat nap
<Kwahts> I'm just a bit nervous when other folk's names are used...
<Sweetcake> I don't think we need it on the page anywhere.
<Troi-> well, I think we will be noting it on the page that we are all part of a group that is in this class, and this is our project.
Kwahts nods
<Kwahts> Okay  :-)
<Sweetcake> What is a Webspinner? Is it a company?
who is now known as MrSJCharn
MrSJCharn is now known as SJCharney
<SandyMe> June what were the other choices??
<Sweetcake> Web-o-crats 
<TeXJune> WebOCats?
<Sweetcake> web-o-cats
<TeXJune> I'm on 825 too
<SandyMe> Sweet, it was originally web-o-crats
<TeXJune> Ghatten and Ms Masters are in. LOL
<Troi-> anything interesting happening over there TeXJune?
<TeXJune> They are starting
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<Sweetcake> no Troi there here on buffnet in #room825 the sprynet thing is just regualr people from the university chatting.
<Counselor> Well, as I said, I prefer having the R in WebOCrats
<Troi-> ahhh...
<SandyMe> Thanks counselor, I do to! 
<Sweetcake> I'll keep the r also..that was the origional name anyway.
<SandyMe> Counselor what is your name??
<Sweetcake> Jeff?
<Counselor> My name is Jeff
<SandyMe> ok thanks :)
<Sweetcake> Sweetcake=Carol
<Counselor> I'm the newest memeber.
<SandyMe> Welll Hi Carol!
<Sweetcake> Hello Sandy
<SandyMe> Oh yes you are, how you doing?
<TeXJune> 825 is going to moderate the channel  now
<SandyMe> Hi Sweetcake
<Counselor> So, should we move to that channel?
<SandyMe> hold on I am going to go over and try to log other one
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<Troi-> I am in both channels now..
<Sweetcake> So am I...so we are oficially the web-o-crats now? Is everyone in agreement?
<Kwahts> Good, Troi!! Now we can discuss what's going on in the other room!
<Counselor> Well, I don't think I can manage both channels at once.  I want to participate in our voting if we're going to do that.  Otherwise, I'll move over there.
<Sweetcake> Now what will our official topic be?
<Troi-> :)
<Counselor> I agree with WeboCrats
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<SandyMe> that didn't work! LOL
<Sweetcake> I think we should definately decide on a topic for our page before we all leave. With webspace already covered and a basic page will take no time I think it is our last big hurdle
<Counselor> What does everyone thin of June's suggestion?
<Troi-> oh boy.. the leaders want what our group idea will be.. 
<Counselor> How about WEb pages and Beyond?
<Sweetcake> Yes we have to have a name and a topic and a basic page up explainging our topic before the end of next week!
<SandyMe> Outer Limits??
<Troi-> The Outer LImits of Web Page Design.
Kwahts nods to that
<SandyMe> LOL
<Counselor> The Outer Limits is the second longest running BBS in the Seattle area.  :)
<Troi-> :)
<SandyMe> :)
<Troi-> Its running here to.. on the SciFi channel
<Kwahts> Uhoh...more legal conflict
<Troi-> LOL
<Sweetcake> That is a good titile but "Web Pages & Beyond" but what exactly would that mean? I think besides our titile we need a sorta like a mission statement of wehat this means and what we will be trying to create with this page and titile
<SandyMe> I am not sure I am even going to stay with this class
<Troi-> oh no..
<SandyMe> going to check out what they are going to do first
<Counselor> What?!?!
<SandyMe> I don't like the structor or lack of for this class
<Sweetcake> Please don't leave us !
<SandyMe> Well you are all sweet but I never have been sure 
<SandyMe> about this idea
<SandyMe> june i tried #825 and it said no such channel
<TeXJune> I'm logging it
<Counselor> Isn't it #Room825?
Kwahts laughs!  The official class...members are just now showing up!
<Sweetcake> #room825
<Troi-> sandy.. try to join from your status window.. to   /join #room825
<Sweetcake> small r don't know itif it make a difference
<SandyMe> ok thanks.
<wolflady> Sandy, what is it you don't like..I'd hate to see you leave.
<SandyMe> don't like the idea that we are on our own
<SandyMe> I like classes to be structured
<SandyMe> I think we will get into a lot of fighting with this
<SandyMe> don't know yet, ok?? Keep smiling!
<Sweetcake> I thought this class was about learning new HTML stuff, not making a social page on the web.
<SandyMe> So did I
<SandyMe> Sweetcake, you hit the nail right on the head! :)
Kwahts nods
<wolflady> I guess that kind of bothers me too...I would like to concentrate more on learning html
<Counselor> Well, we can make it what we want, I think.
<Troi-> sorry you feel that way sandy... I know how it is though.. I am the moderator of our Creative writing class.. I finally had to give every a deadline to vote by, and then stuck to it.. those who didnt get their vote in on time.. lost out.. so to speak on the naming of the group.. the majority did respond though
<TeXJune> name of class is Web Pages that make a difference
<SandyMe> Couns. don't think so, they have a adjenda
<Sweetcake> That's why I will vote on anything for a name or a topic and I will learn this to create a new page and I am already all self taught and will use this to teach myself something new like frames or java applets or something. 
<SandyMe> it's too loose though
<SandyMe> well we can pick what we all want to learn and do that
<TeXJune> I've got to go totally to 825. I'm one of voices; team leaders
<SandyMe> What am I chopped liver???
<SandyMe> LOL
<TeXJune> Get your butt over here
<Counselor> I guess I'll go check out 825 also.
<Sweetcake> You can't even chat in the other room..you have to message your group leaders who in turn will talk so the channel will not get too crazy. It's better to log and read it later and stay on topic over here.
<SandyMe> LOL
<Troi-> I will stay in both channels.. since I don't have voice on the other.. :)
<SandyMe> let me check it out brb
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<Kwahts> But WE can chat in here
<Kwahts> While attending over there
<Troi-> yes.. :)
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<Troi-> looks like they are ready to start..
<Sweetcake> I'll check it out..gonna scroll back in the other window and see what's going on..will be back in a minute...gotta catch up.
<Sweetcake> ok all caught up reading...is anyone still really in here?
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<Troi-> I'm here
<Kwahts> Me
Kwahts grins
<wolflady> I am
<sandylee> hmmm Tx june has ops but not me! 
<sandylee> That tells me something
<sandylee> so what name do you guys like?
<TeXJune> there are a lot of people in there Sandy; they just oped countrygal
<Sweetcake> So can we discuss our topic? Or decide on one? I think it should be expressed more fully that "beyond HTML" that sounds like a good title but not really our topic. 
<Sweetcake> WEB-O-CRATS!!!!
<sandylee> You are right Sweetcake
<sandylee> ok great
<sandylee> June, that's true!
<TeXJune> whats true?
<Troi-> how about this.. we go with Diversity, and since we have so many differing opions, we could make it a web page that has a little of each of our causes in it and what is important to us personally.. as far as the world in general that is.
<sandylee> lots in there
<Sweetcake> We need sorta like a mission statement or something.
<sandylee> This is what I don't like, I don't know what they really want!?
<TeXJune> I'd op you here; but I split while ago and lost my ops. LOL
<sandylee> LOL
<sandylee> that's ok..don't worry
<Kwahts> Okay...
<Kwahts> How about the Midnight Musings...
<Kwahts> Done like this:
<sandylee> Think Topic!!
<Kwahts> Everyone who is making a difference has a reason
<Sweetcake> NO !!! Don't start the name thing agin... think topic!
<Kwahts> We will attempt to find out what some of them are
<Kwahts> and share them
<Troi-> Kwahts.. I hear you and it sounds good..
<Kwahts> So others can see the heartfelt needs being met...
Kwahts shrugs 
<Kwahts> Something like that?
<sandylee> so we will have a bunch of things hook together?
<sandylee> linked I mean'
<Kwahts> Yeah...easy topic, hard coding
<Troi-> yeah.. sounds good.
<sandylee> lol
<sandylee> Steve has his idea, June and I like women on the web...
<Troi-> I don't think it will be all that hard with all the different degrees of HTML'ers we have in our group. and they did say they wanted it to evolve.. not be perfect from the start
<sandylee> How can we make a decision? It is endless
<sandylee> wolflady what do you think?
<Sweetcake> Counselor is not here he is in #room 825 listening as he can't do 2 channels at once.
<wolflady> We all seeem to like the idea of bringing togethrer the reasons the web is important in peoples lives
<Sweetcake> Did we lose any other members who are not here but just in the other channel?
<Troi-> LOL maybe we should call it "Endless Decisions"
<sandylee> LOL GOOD ONE!
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<Troi-> :)
<Troi-> The Web that Ties?
<Troi-> as in the The Ties that bind..
<wolflady> sounds like a soap opera LOl
<Troi-> hehehehe
<sandylee> We could be web linkers and link to each other's new page?
<Troi-> hey!!! Great Idea.. WebLinkers... I love it!
<sandylee> LOL soap opera!
sandylee blushing thanks!
<Troi-> :)
<Troi-> see... you can't leave us.. :) you have such great ideas..
<sandylee> You all are fun!! :)
<sandylee> LOL now the catch....
<sandylee> LOL
<Troi-> uh oh!!!
<sandylee> what happened to all our people?
<Sweetcake> I am still here.
<sandylee> LOL
<sandylee> We have about l7 I think
Troi- pouts.. Publishers Clearinghouse didn't come knocking at my door after the Superbowl.. Hey! maybe they got lost and are still on the way.. :D
<TeXJune> 15
<sandylee> including us?
<TeXJune> yeah; 2 dropouts; remember
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<sandylee> no, forgot. LOL
<TeXJune> One group is doing Star Trek. SOCIAL topic???????? LOL
<sandylee> what are they doing Counselor?
<Counselor> The other room is boring..what have I missed here/
<Troi-> Yeah.. I saw.. hehehe
<sandylee> Star Trek??? Not fair!
<TeXJune> introducing group leaders
<Sweetcake> Did we lose any one esle from our group over to #825? So we can discuss our topic?
<sandylee> We will just do what we want to then!
<TeXJune> and telling what topic and where??????
<Troi-> ok.. who has a list of the name for the group that we can throw out on the table and vote before June has to speak in the other channel?
<Counselor> Let us know when it's your turn, june.
<Sweetcake> What will you tell them for our idea for a topic?
<TeXJune> I'll keep you posted
<Counselor> I thought we decided on WebOCrats with an R for the name.
<TeXJune> Ya'll better hurry; I'm a T in the alphabet. LOL
<sandylee> how about reforming hookers??? LOL
<Sweetcake> Yes we decided on Web-O-Crats for a name and now we were discussing our page theme or trying to decide on a topic or how to explain what we want to do to our instructors.
<Troi-> Is that the name then all? WebOCrats.. everyone should maybe signify their yes by saying   'Aye'
<sandylee> eye!
<sandylee> ;0
<Counselor> Re: topic -- I like Web Pages and Beyond using June's idea she emailed us.
<Troi-> aye
<TeXJune> Yes
<Sweetcake> AYE!!!!!!!!! Let's move on to topic!
<Counselor> Aye
<TeXJune> But I can't change the topic now; not moderated. LOL
<Troi-> I like Web Pages and Beyond too!
<Sweetcake> WEB-O-CRATS!! we are unless there are big objections to the name. 
<Counselor> WebOCrats it is!
<Sweetcake> Web pages & beyond is a good title and what was June's idea..forgot what it was.
<Troi-> Whew!!!! Finally have a name settled for good.. :)
<TeXJune> Hope this is OK with Sasha; I have her proxy for WebOCats. LOL
<sandylee> same difference
<Troi-> well June.. you can tell her the majority won, that was here.. :) 
<Sweetcake> Web Pages & Beyond is a good title for our page. What was June's idea for it?
<TeXJune> Warned everyone today in eamil; this is where final votes occur
<TeXJune> Beyond HTML
<sandylee> What is the theme though? Not clear on that
<TeXJune> One group is World Wide Weavers
<Troi-> I like Web Pages and Beyond.... 
<TeXJune> its not the name its the theme
<sandylee> What is beyond web pages???
<Troi-> What makes people behind the web pages tick?
<Counselor> Well, sorry june...Beyond HTML is ok..
<Sweetcake> Web Pages & Beyond HTML is a wonderful title but what does it mean or what will we try to accomplish with it with our pages? And have we decided that we are going to each work on a page and tye it into our main page? 
<sandylee> This is the problem
<sandylee> another thing, I think we should have a practice area
<Counselor> I thought it was the Why and What about WEb Pges.
<sandylee> that people post to and then we agree on BEFORE IT IS
<sandylee> PUT ON THE WEB
<wolflady> That's a good idea, sandy
<sandylee> don't know if you know what I am trying to say or not??
<sandylee> Thanks Wolflady
<Counselor> I think so, Sandy.  That shouldn't be a problem.
<Troi-> it is a good idea sandy..
<Sweetcake> Why can't we combine the 2 and say "Web Pages & Beyond HTML"  but we need to explain it to the instructors and what we will do and what it means and stuff
<Troi-> yeah.. I like the title of that.. 
<Counselor> June, can you re-explain your ida?
<wolflady> If we each work on a page and tie it in together and help each other, it might eliminate some problems
<Troi-> hey.. we could make it to be a page of how we learned the new things we are going to learn like Java, CGI, etc... that fits with the title
<TeXJune> I think we should tie in what you do and other things we can do ot improve web pages for others
<sandylee> how are we going to learn it? we will be too busy doing
<sandylee> it! LOL
<Troi-> LOL
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<sandylee> do we divide into groups for Java, CGi ?? or indiv.?
<Kwahts> Dang!  ISP dropped me... What's happened?
<sandylee> you have to chat or they ping you out!
<Sweetcake> I want to learn frames!
<sandylee> me too!
<sandylee> Can we do frames with Java????
<Counselor> And, when you learn frames, you should learn how to make them accessible to all browsers.  lol
<Kwahts> Don't need Java to do frames...
<TeXJune> I hate frames
<sandylee> I know but what if you want to combine them??
<TeXJune> Ya'll can have em
<Kwahts> Yes, frames does not limit your Java...
<Counselor> I hate frames, too, but actually lynx can handle them.
<Troi-> I hate frames too.. but I still would like to learn how to do them,.. then get my laughs irritating other ppl  with them.. LOL
<sandylee> brb have to get some pop! LOL
<Sweetcake> I just got a magazine called "ZD Internet" I think the ZD stands for Ziff Davis and they have a good article on "How to build the perfect frame"  I would like to use it to learn from and build my first page with frames.
Kwahts nods.
<Counselor> Are y'all aware of the html mailing list/
<Troi-> yeah.. I get there newsletter.. theres and CNET's
<Kwahts> Let's work on it...I have a copy.  Tomorrow?
<Sweetcake> Is there a way to make frames accessible to all browsers? I actually prefer no frames but I really want to learn how to do it.
<Troi-> and yes.. The ZD is Ziff Davis Publishing..
<sandylee> back
<Counselor> I think there is a way to test for the browser...I saw it on the html mailing list.  I'd have to look it up.
<Sweetcake> Are they up to the "T"'s yet in the other room?
<Kwahts> Yes, Tina is up
<Troi-> yeap...on Tina now.
<sandylee> I am not
<sandylee> how do you get it?
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<Sweetcake> no what is the HTML mailing list and how can I get it?
<Counselor> I'll have to look up the address.  I'll mail it out to the group later.  How's that?
<Troi-> sounds good to me.
<Sweetcake> that's great! Thanks counselor. 
<Counselor> Is June still here?
<TeXJune> Yes
<Kwahts> Tell me what WebRings are?
<Sweetcake> It joins webpages together in a big circle.
<Kwahts> Hmmm... interesting
<Kwahts> Too bad we didn't come up with it  :)
<Troi-> yeah.. interesting
<Sweetcake> I belong to like 5 different webrings. 
<Kwahts> How does it work?
<Counselor> How do you find and join web rings?
<Sweetcake> try http://www.webring.org I believe that is the URL. My web rings have not been working for a few days the place that runs the rings mved to a new server and is having problem but keep trying. If you see a ring you like on someones page just click on the more info button and it will take you to the info page for that ring.
<Sweetcake> You can also see my rings at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/9470/rings.htm
<Counselor> So, June, have we come up with a topic?
<TeXJune> good question?
<Counselor> I think some of the group is needing more clarification of your suggestion.
<Sweetcake> We need to settle on this.. Is it going to be "Web Pages & Beyond HTML"?
<TeXJune> We need a theme not a title
<Sweetcake> We just need to decide what we intend to accomplish with this topic..sorta what slant.
<TeXJune> the beyond HTML is where we go after we learn to code
<Kwahts> I hope I got that in the log
<TeXJune> pages that make a difference on the web like Jeffs
<Troi-> I go with what you said in your midnight musings message june.. sounds like a good idea
<TeXJune> Midnight musings idea won't take a lot of research...
<Sweetcake> what was the idea?
<TeXJune> we can tell of why and what we have learned
<Sweetcake> brb need to get a drink.
<Kwahts> Get me a Wild Turkey Rye, would ya!?!
<Counselor> My interpretation of June's idea would be to take each of the advanced elements (frames, java, etc.) and explain how to make them accessible to various browsers, including text browsers.
<Troi-> LOL but first you would have to explain it to me.. :)
<Counselor> Explain what to you?
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<Troi-> how to make frames Jave, etc... accesible to the browsers.. :)
<Troi-> oops.. Java... 
<Counselor> Well, I assume that's what they're supposed to be teaching us.
<Sweetcake> am back
Troi- thinks she is getting tired.. can't type well right now.. ehehehhehe
Troi- thinks she possible may not be able to think well right now either.. :)
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<Counselor> I guess the question right now is, does everyone think they have an idea of how they could contribute to a topic of "Beyond HTML?"
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<Troi-> Hi kko!
<Kwahts> Yes.
<TeXJune> Posted-Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 07:51:11 -0600 (CST)
<TeXJune> X-Sender: txjune@texoma.net
<TeXJune> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 07:55:07 -0600
<TeXJune> To: candyapl@tir.com, txjune@texoma.net, bmiller@maqs.net,
<TeXJune> geethan@india.ti.com, plant@mindspring.com, dewey@netonecom.net,
<TeXJune> pdavis@azstarnet.com, roblin@gti.net, detlev.otto@worldnet.att.net,
<TeXJune> carol@unix.asb.com, cutter@en.com, akavs@spika.unistar.si,
<TeXJune> scharney@thesea.com, hrobert@vision.net.id, rhawk@galstar.com,
<TeXJune> jharris@u.washington.edu
<TeXJune> From: June McKee <txjune@texoma.net>
<TeXJune> Subject: 825: Midnight Musings
<TeXJune> Hmmmmmmmmm...Ever had one of those "blurry ideas" in the middle of the night
<TeXJune> and you just had to "get it on paper"? Well.. I did.
<TeXJune> We can't seem to get over the hump of which subject. The class calls for Web
<TeXJune> Pages That Make A Difference; leans toward Social causes. We all are leaning
<TeXJune> to Web Design A-Z; but don't feel we are experienced enough to tell others
<TeXJune> about doing HTML (besides their are 1000's of sites that teach "cut and dry"
<Sweetcake> I would not mind learning how to make frames or java and stuff like that and learning beyond the basic html on how to make the pages accessible to everyone on the web .
<TeXJune> HTML coding (and is another site on teaching HTML a social cause?)). So why
<TeXJune> don't we see if we can figure out HOW to tell others How we learned; why we
<TeXJune> learned etc. See where I am going...? Neither do I totally...that's why I'm
<TeXJune> telling ya'll..?
<TeXJune> Something like: Beyond Learning HTML: or Why Learn HTML and put up a web
<TeXJune> page? We all got excited when Jeff joined us. He has a cause; we all love
<TeXJune> it. We are also gonna learn from it. There are 10 woman in this group; why
<TeXJune> do women want on the web. The fact that there can be (if someone chooses not
<TeXJune> to tell) no gender, no colors, no age difference, no limitations; you can be
<TeXJune> who or what you choose. Diversity...again...keeps coming up with us. We have
<TeXJune> other countries involved here; what freedoms are there on the web. Steve
<TeXJune> lost his father recently; what pain is on the web. I'm a stay at home mom
<TeXJune> like Carol; why do we feel the web is important. Some like humor; why is
<TeXJune> comedy good for the web. Causes on the web...cats and birds on the web...
<TeXJune> WHY ARE WE INTERESTED IN THE WEB????????????????????????
<TeXJune> Theme could be: Beyond Web Page Design: Idea(l)s on the web. Or something
<kko> Hi all! I'm still monitoring the class. I assume June already said her piece before I connected.
<TeXJune> like that. Do you see more where I'm going with this. Tell our own
<TeXJune> experiences. When we each saw the internet; what made us decide to put up a
<TeXJune> web page. How did we learn how; self-taught? VU? editors? Geo EZ editor?
<TeXJune> Somehow; I think this would bring our democracy and diversity into play that
<TeXJune> we all like. And "Diaries of Mad HTML'er's" is not gonna take much research.
<TeXJune> It's about us and our experiences; but we have to make it interesting and
<TeXJune> with a purpose.
<TeXJune> Hope this gives someone else the creative juices too; I'm still in the raw,
<TeXJune> formative stages here. Ya'll think about it and see what you think. See if
<TeXJune> we can't make this our project. Or part of our project. One of the sections
<TeXJune> could even be: 8 weeks to a killer web page; yeah right!!
<TeXJune> Let me know if this angle is appealing to anyone else.
<Kwahts> 4 Hey! That's neat, June!
<TeXJune> BTW: latest update is we are meeting on Buffnet Sunday night. I got that
<TeXJune> from a member of Ghatten's Ring who "talked" to Leapin and Ghatten. If you
<TeXJune> need to  add Buffnet to your server and don't know how; now would be a good
<TeXJune> time to bug our resident irc cop: Paul. ;-)  I did it (added the server);
<TeXJune> but I'm no pro. Leapin had to walk me thru it step by step. All I know is
<TeXJune> buffnet is: irc.buffnet.net port:6667
<TeXJune> And welcome to the group Jeff. BTW: the Web-O-Cats theme came from
<Sweetcake> I think we could tye in the 2 learmn and make web pages using java ans forms and tables and stuff but with the slant on making them viewable to all 
<TeXJune> Web-O-Crats without the r in crats. There are several of us that aren't to:
<TeXJune> shall I say: fond of cats--LOL; but we like the name. Kind of democratic
<TeXJune> with a cats insticts. Sharp eyed; cunning; quite; with that killer instinct.
<TeXJune> Or that's the sense I've got from the people that like the name. Plus one of
<TeXJune> our teachers: Ghatten is a cat nut and we are kissing up. JUST KIDDING!! LOL
<TeXJune> DO NOT take offense. LOL 
<TeXJune> Anyway; see what you think of my edge on our Web Design theme. Just another
<TeXJune> 2 pennies thrown to the group. (We have a deadline here too; remember?)
<TeXJune> Don't forget to add Jeff to your email listing; and take Bridgett off.
<TeXJune> Sasha; as far as the VU classrooms. These are more or less a "post a note
<TeXJune> room"; IMHO. I'm going to use them for my Netscape group; because most of
<TeXJune> these people are beginners and don't even know about emailing. We used them
<TeXJune> last year for Wends meetings in our class 821(then I didn't know that much
<TeXJune> about emailing; LOL) . We can do that if ya'll want. But they are slow; you
<TeXJune> have to refresh constantly to see your message and what everyone else is
<TeXJune> saying; personally my computer locks up after 8 or 9 refreshes (and I clear
<TeXJune> my cache's; history files; temporary internet files; and my trash bin out
<TeXJune> before I enter one; and still lock up). IRC is faster and we can log them.
<TeXJune> You have to copy and paste info you want from the boards; if your lucky and
<TeXJune> VU doesn't do housecleaning before you do it (and they have been known to
<TeXJune> houseclean during a meeting; right Sandy?) you can do a transcript and print
<TeXJune> the whole session. But it cuts way back on having fun while you learn.
<TeXJune> Another 2 pennies; I'll be broke before the end of this semester. LOL
<TeXJune> Cya'll, June
<TeXJune> If ya'll like my spin on the Web Page Design; them I suggest we all start
<TeXJune> thinking about how and why we got involved in making a web page. Was it an
<TeXJune> assignment thrown at you by your boss? or just a desire to be a part of
<TeXJune> something new and exciting.??????????????????????????????????????????
<TeXJune> Home pages:
<TeXJune> My Cyber Porch: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/4029/
<TeXJune> Hubby's Exotic Animals: http://home.texoma.net/~critter/
<TeXJune> Daughters Teens page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/4419/
<TeXJune> So we can safely say we are the WebOCrats and our theme is Beyond HTmL?
<TeXJune> OOPS
<TeXJune> tried to do that a while ago; wonder why it worked now????????
<TeXJune> Sorry??
<TeXJune> June seems to have said a bunch of pieces. LOL
<TeXJune> good old cut and paste. LOL where's sandy?????
<wolflady> she left about twenty minutes ago
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<sandylee> Wow that was a long wait to get back on!
<Counselor> There's Sandy
<TeXJune> there she is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<sandylee> Hi everyone!!!
<Sweetcake> Welcome back!
<sandylee> Thanks! You are sweeties!
<wolflady> thought we lost you!
Kwahts hugs SandyLee.
<sandylee> me/hugs everyone!!
<Kwahts> Yeah. My ISP has dumped me twice.
<sandylee> hmmmm
<sandylee> I thought I would never get on!
<sandylee> Kwahts you are Paul right?
<TeXJune> Paul is RiffRaff
<Sweetcake> Who is kko?
<kko> karen
<sandylee> Oh where is he? I emailed him about getting on here!
<sandylee> he answered me
<Kwahts> No, I'm Robert Hawk, the Native American
<TeXJune> haven't seen him tonight
<sandylee> oh ok! LOL I don't know nicks yet
<sandylee> Tex, he isn't in the other room?
<Counselor> So, what's happenin' in the other room?
<TeXJune> Dont see him
<sandylee> hmmmm well he helped me get back on! LOL
<TeXJune> Still talking; going with names who need to leave early
<Sweetcake> they are still going through the study group leaders and asking them how many members they have what their topic is and what they plan to do and if they have a site picked out yet for their page and stuff
<sandylee> wow that could take all night! LOL
<Counselor> So, are we going to proceed with anything here?
<Sweetcake> did they get to our study group yet over there?
<sandylee> what is our topic is it decided yet?
<Sweetcake> yes we need to keep going.
<Counselor> Maybe we should handle it this way...those who are *NOT* comfortable with the proposed topic please speak up.
<sandylee> What is it? I have been gone so long....? LOL
<kko> Before we silently not vote, could you please repeat the topic title?
<sandylee> ??
<Sweetcake> Beyond HTML
<Counselor> June may say it best, but my interpretation is that it's why we want to learn html and put a web page up and what we want to do beyond this class.
<sandylee> doesn't make a lot of sense???
<kko> What's the scope, please
<Sweetcake> Everyone is so quiet.
<Kwahts> LOL!!  I've said my piece!   :-)
<sandylee> what was it Kwahts?
<Counselor> Yeah, what was it?
<Sweetcake> I think it was June's idea in her midnight musings letter.
<Kwahts> That the concept is sound...we just need to insure it has punch
<sandylee> It's not quite a clear-cut topic
Kwahts nods
<sandylee> :)
<Counselor> So, Sandy, what would you propose we do to clarify it?
<Kwahts> Not clear-cut, but
<sandylee> make it more defined!
<Sweetcake> Something like: Beyond Learning HTML: or Why Learn HTML and put up a web
<Sweetcake> page? We all got excited when Jeff joined us. He has a cause; we all love
<Sweetcake> it. We are also gonna learn from it. There are 10 woman in this group; why
<Sweetcake> do women want on the web. The fact that there can be (if someone chooses not
<Kwahts> we can add ISSUES, like Why do a page on ... (fill in the blank)
<Sweetcake> to tell) no gender, no colors, no age difference, no limitations; you can be
<who> what was the proposed topic (says the doormouse)
<Sweetcake> who or what you choose. Diversity...again...keeps coming up with us. We have
<Sweetcake> other countries involved here; what freedoms are there on the web. Steve
<Sweetcake> lost his father recently; what pain is on the web. I'm a stay at home mom
<Counselor> Ok, SAndy, give us an example.
<Sweetcake> like Carol; why do we feel the web is important. Some like humor; why is
<Sweetcake> comedy good for the web. Causes on the web...cats and birds on the web...
<Sweetcake> WHY ARE WE INTERESTED IN THE WEB????????????????????????
<sandylee> slow down!
<Sweetcake> Theme could be: Beyond Web Page Design: Idea(l)s on the web. Or something
<Sweetcake> like that. Do you see more where I'm going with this. Tell our own
<Sweetcake> experiences. When we each saw the internet; what made us decide to put up a
<Sweetcake> web page. How did we learn how; self-taught? VU? editors? Geo EZ editor?
<Sweetcake> Somehow; I think this would bring our democracy and diversity into play that
<Sweetcake> we all like. And "Diaries of Mad HTML'er's" is not gonna take much research.
<Sweetcake> It's about us and our experiences; but we have to make it interesting and
<Sweetcake> with a purpose.
<sandylee> What the heck?
<sandylee> Am I in a mad house? LOL
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<who> SWEETCAKE: SWITCH TO DECAF!
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<Sweetcake> I cut and pasted June's midnight musings letter for you.
<TeXJune> oops, hit wrong button. LOL
<who> I'm glad it wasn't Tolstoy
<TeXJune> We are getting good a t cut and paste. LOL
<Troi-> LOL
<sandylee> LOL
<TeXJune> War and Peace
<sandylee> LOL
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<Troi-> :)
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<sandylee> That shut me up!
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<TeXJune> Do we stand for that?
<sandylee> are you playing Kwahts?
<Sweetcake> Wouls we all be doing different pages for this and tying them together or will we work on the entire site as a whole?
<sandylee> a hole! :)
<Kwahts> Just adding to the Spam?  How about a topic on fundamentals of democracy?
<Troi-> I like that idea.. with one main page linking them together..
<TeXJune> How about a topic on Spamming LOL
<Troi-> heheheeh
<sandylee> I think we should get drunk then discuss it! LOL
<Kwahts> LOL!!
<Kwahts> Waiter!!  Another round!
<TeXJune> Might be able to think better
<Troi-> We might come up with some solutions then...LOL
<sandylee> LOL Kwahts
<sandylee> I think so too! :)
Troi- will take a tequilla sunrise if you please... :)
sandylee one Marquita please!!!
Kwahts grins.
<sandylee> I can't even spell it! :)
Kwahts hickups.
<Troi-> LOL
<sandylee> LOL
Troi- says.. Help.. I've fallen and I "Don't" want to get up... LOL
<sandylee> LOL that's a song!!
<Kwahts> My friends, I warn you of DEMON RUM!
<Kwahts> So drink Rye!!
<sandylee> LOL
<Sweetcake> Just looked over to the other chat thing and they are very impressed with another group who is currently working on a mission statement!
<Kwahts> LOL
<sandylee> Pass the booze and the peanuts!
<sandylee> I don't care about impressing them! I want to impress us!! LOL
kko ACTION pops the top on a homebrew...
<sandylee> We can do a page on the FBI or CIA :) That's impressive!
<sandylee> kko,you make your own???
<sandylee> lol
<Counselor> I think I'm beginning to agree with Sandy...we're not getting enough direction in this class...
<TeXJune> Yeah right, then theyd be paging us
<Sweetcake> How about the president? The Pope? GOD? that's also impressive :-)
<Troi-> hey.. they havent talked to you yet JUne.
<sandylee> LOL
<Troi-> sounds like they are winding down
<sandylee> Counselor, now you have the right idea! :)
<Kwahts> Ask for direction?
<sandylee> LOL Sweetcake!!!
<sandylee> we can draw a map!
<kko> June did you see them call for any other group leaders?
<sandylee> how to get on and off the internet
<Counselor> Mostly how to get off..
<sandylee> LOL
<Sweetcake> yes they just did said for any leaders who have not spoken to msg them so they can be heard
<Counselor> Go June...
<sandylee> Good Luck!! June!
<Counselor> Ok, I'm going over to that channel for a minute...
<sandylee> me too! :)
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<Sweetcake> june is up next!
<who> june ur next
<Sweetcake> TXJUNE is up!
<Kwahts> Way to go, June!! You could run for President!!
<Sweetcake> he he he
Troi- applauds TXJune...
<wolflady> You made us sound like we knew what we were doing...LOL
<Troi-> yeah... LOL
<TeXJune> Hey we gotta look like pros
<TeXJune> WE ARE
<TeXJune> wonder who that Hotwheels is?
<Sweetcake> Don't know i
<Troi-> ok all.. gotta go.. but was glad we had this chance to meet... Talk to you all soon..
<Troi-> bye...
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<Sweetcake> ok goodnight troi
<Kwahts> Well, I'm a dyslexic, if that counts as disability...
<Sweetcake> When are we going to meet again in chat?
<kko> June, they recommended that we get some more people with physical needs in our group. I don't think they'd want to take a class, but I have several collaegues who are deaf, and may be willing to evaluate our site, and give us advice.
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<Counselor> Anybody still here?
<Sweetcake> Yes some of us are still here.
<Kwahts> I think deaf folks reviewing a website is a hoot!   :-)
<TeXJune> well have we decided?
<Counselor> Decided what?
<kko> why funny?
<Sweetcake> on what a name? 
<Sweetcake> on a topic?
<Kwahts> Funny?  WebPages are primarily visual...
<TeXJune> Name: WebOCrats   right.
<Sweetcake> What would you have to do to make a site viewable for a deaf person? 
<Counselor> Right, June
<Kwahts> Now try getting blind folks to review it (like my mother) That's the acid test!
<kko> But, we're moving into animation and audio. We have to be careful to not put info on that gets missed by this group.
<Counselor> Yeah, June, you might have mentioned the blind...it is us that have a little trouble with the visual aspects of the web.
<Sweetcake> Vision impared, browser impared yes.
Kwahts nods agreeably.
<TeXJune> I did some research on vision impared last night
<Counselor> What did you learn, June?
<TeXJune> and on hearing impared
<TeXJune> they have a speech machine that helps them find things; rake the mouse on something and it talks
<Sweetcake> you can still work on things not accessilbe to those that are vision impared as long as you also offer a work around for them by means of text or another text only page or large fonts or something and explain the reasons for the 2 versions of the same page.
<TeXJune> Where's Sandy again
<TeXJune> Girl keeps disappearing
<Counselor> Yeah, and it's someitmes not even that complicated.  Have y'all seen my page on Accessible WEb Page Design?
<Kwahts> Not yet, Counselor.
<TeXJune> I read yours; been meaning to do links
<Sweetcake> we could make 2 versions of a page if needed to make our site accessible to all. Yes Counselor I have seen it and your page is very informative.
<TeXJune> Is there any reason why I should keep logging 825?
<Sweetcake> Can the site impared view tables? What would be a work around for that?
<Kwahts> If you were to mention the address, I'd stick it in a browser...
<Counselor> Sometimes additional pages aren't necessary...just liberal use of the alt tag will do.
<Sweetcake> I don't think you need to still log #825 the meeting is officially over.
<TeXJune> OK then I'll shut that log off.
<Kwahts> I lost it when my ISP dropped me
<TeXJune> When are we going to meet again?
<Kwahts> Glad June got it
<TeXJune> Most of our group was here tonight?
<kko> Shall we try even earlier next week? say 5 p.m. PST?
<Kwahts> I'm dead tired
<TeXJune> Sasha says time is just too much difference
Kwahts waves goodnight
<TeXJune> Me too Kwahts
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<TeXJune> That't 7 my time (Central)
<TeXJune> Problem is church goers on Sun night
<kko> Duing the week sometime, then? any takers? Name a time.
<Sweetcake> The time is fine with me...Church in AM
<Counselor> sunday night is fine with me too.
<TeXJune> Wonder why Paul didn't make it? he was here earlier?
<Sweetcake> I don't know
<kko> I suspect football played a part tonight.
<Sweetcake> who won? 
<TeXJune> Hope; I was kinda worried; Green Bay won
<Counselor> Are we done here for the night?
<Sweetcake> thanks for the info.
<Sweetcake> I think we should be done..It's 12:12 am here
<TeXJune> think so; I'm done altogether; stick a fork in me and call it a night. LOL
<kko> So, are we still at 6ish 7ish next Sunday?
<TeXJune> Sounds good to me
<Counselor> Remember, the next general meeting starts at 6PM
<TeXJune> OK Dokey
<kko> great. TTFN
<Sweetcake> so we should meet 5 pst?
<Counselor> Perhaps we should meet at 5PM VU time.
<TeXJune> thats Pacific time
<Counselor> Yup
<TeXJune> 5pm VU then
<TeXJune> Sun
<Sweetcake> that would give us an hour before hand. we need to send email to those who could not attend today and let them know what went on and the next regular and study group meeting
<Counselor> Ok, see ya'll then...and see ya'll in email.
<TeXJune> I'll do that in the morning
<Sweetcake> we also need to get our basic page up at a permanent site
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<TeXJune> Agreed
<Sweetcake> goodnight. everyone.......gonna call it a night before I fall asleep at the keyboard. I had to move my daughter into her dorm today so am kinda tired
<TeXJune> Want me to apply in Geocities; what neighborhood? Heartland?
<Counselor> Did someone say they already got a site for us at geocities?
<TeXJune> me too. I'll email rest of stuff tommorrow
<TeXJune> I didn't hear that
<Sweetcake> I would say Geo would be a great place to start and we can also apply for a site at cybercity if we need it
<TeXJune> planned on cybercity
<wolflady> I can do that if you want, I'm applying myself.
<Sweetcake> I think someone said earlier that they already applied for space at geo and cyber both for our group. better ask in email and see who it was.
<Counselor> Ok, June, let us know...
<TeXJune> think Steve got him a site on cybercity
<TeXJune> I will
<Sweetcake> I really think we should get both places and use them both just in case.
<TeXJune> me too
<TeXJune> want to practice scripts
<TeXJune> Geo won't let you
<Counselor> If you need my help let me know.
<TeXJune> neither will my isp
<TeXJune> OK counselor
<Sweetcake> all the more reason to get a site at both places.
<TeXJune> Glad everyone made it
<TeXJune> yup
<TeXJune> and link them
<Sweetcake> ok goonight..
<TeXJune> nite all
<Counselor> night...
<wolflady> nite all.
<Sweetcake> nite nite from me too..l8r!
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