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<Sweetcake> Hello everyone!
<who> Thats what my first wife used to say!
who says to Sweetcake Two things I hate: People that can't count.
who sets mode: +o Sweetcake 
<Sweetcake> Only 4 people here so far?
<RiffRaff> Steve: did you like the article?
<who> Paul: i hope to get it posted during or just after this chat
<RiffRaff> okay. :)
<who> I read it...and enjoyed it...haven't "analyzed" it yet for THE CHALLENGE...but i'm sure it is more than sufficient
<RiffRaff> I'm just sorry I'm late with it..I waited for your comments, but you never sent me any. :)
<who> I was waiting to talk to you
<RiffRaff> ohh... Well, I think I sort of got the gist of our logs and discussions. :)
<JerseyL> Steve--I liked the way you put the surveys together.
<who> did you look at the page i put up...and can you tell how your words will fit in
<who> and are we supposed to cite specific log entries?
who bows and says thank you
<who> Sweetcake: r u now send email with tunes?
<who> my mailbox just started singing to me!
<RiffRaff> I dont think we need to cite anything, no..I was looking over the assignment here.
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<Sweetcake> he he.. instead of writing much I just mailed everyone the IRC page as a reminder.. was short on time today.
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<Sweetcake> wonder where everyone else is tonight?
who says to Troi- Vegetarians eat vegetables-Beware of humanitarians
who sets mode: +o Troi- 
<Troi-> Hi all
<JerseyL> hi
<Sweetcake> Hello Patti
<who> anyone heard from Geethen
<Sweetcake> yes I did
<JerseyL> How did the class meeting go Sunday on zia.com
<Sweetcake> She said she would love to participate in our study group when we can have it at zia so she can use the online thing for acces.
<Sweetcake> It went just fine.
<who> we can be there right now...in fact i am
<Sweetcake> Wonder if Jeff got his win95 fixed yet?
<who> S: do u have Sunday's log..if not, i do
<RiffRaff> well, Lexa is probably in bed. :)
<Sweetcake> It is already posted at our site. I posted it first thing on Monday.
<RiffRaff> it's 3:00 AM where she is.
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<RiffRaff> hehehe
<Sweetcake> I don't blame her for sleeping! 
<Troi-> Hi Lexa!
<RiffRaff> ok, so maybe she's NOT in bed. :)
<Lexa> hi everyone
<JerseyL> hi Lexa--your ears must have been ringing
RiffRaff gives Lexa a big huggle.
<Sweetcake> Lexa needs coffee!!
<Lexa> i was in bed 5 min ago :))
<Sweetcake> so who else is missing besides Jeff?
who says to Lexa Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes
<JerseyL> Lexa, I found out that my high school is in a global learning project with with a high school in your city.  I'll find out the name of the school and teacher and let you know.
who sets mode: +o Lexa 
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<Troi-> Kwahts
<JerseyL> hi Jeff
Troi- sets mode: +o Counselor 
<who> 11Carol sent me her pic, any other volunteers?
<Sweetcake> Ok Jeff is here now! We can get started! Is anyone else missing that usually comes to chat?
<Troi-> Hi Jeff
<Counselor> greets...and thanks
<Troi-> you can see mine on my home page who
<Sweetcake> Hello Jeff!
<Lexa> ok....Linda, sounds interesting :)
<who> fine...make me do the work!
<Troi-> LOL
<Sweetcake> Patti send him the URL so he can link the picture.
<who> okay...just giving everyone a chance to pick their own
<JerseyL> Karen?
<Lexa> Hi Jeff
<Troi-> Kwahts has been sick lately... and hasnt attended for a few meetings
<Counselor> greets all
<Sweetcake> So Karen & Kwhats are missing.
RiffRaff has a pic on his home page too.
<Troi-> LOL ok ok.. I will send it to you.. ready for a DCC
<JerseyL> must be a flu going around cyberspace :(
<Sweetcake> Pnemonia is going around! Oldest one had it last week now the middle one is sick with it.
<who> Troi- actually, its just as well if i just link to ur page...unless anybody object
<who> s
<RiffRaff> stomach virus and flu are going aroun dhere like wildfire...but thankfully i only got the tummy kind...
<who> Robert said he wouldn't be here
<Troi-> sorry who.. was sending the wrong one..
<Troi-> this is smaller in file size.. :)
<Sweetcake> I say link to each persons page it will save on space at our geocities page. No need for 2 copies of the same picture.
<who> any problems with linking to ur pages..at least for now
<RiffRaff> where do we send pics of us, Steve?
<Sweetcake> If you have the picture at your site already, just email him the url to the picture.
<RiffRaff> thats a good idea, too...
<Counselor> I never got any word from VU about our room...perhaps I should write again...  ?
<RiffRaff> that gives our pages more publicity.
<Counselor> our study room, that is.
<Troi-> oh, you can line to my page.  http://www.azstarnet.com/~pdavis/index.html
<Sweetcake> They said on Sun that they are a little behind, but a little reminder nudge would not hurt anything.
<who> actually..y'all could just a) leave em where they are and i'll point to them, or b) upload them to the geocities site and let me know the file name...thats what i will have to do
<Lexa> brb
<who> 13AND don't forget, i would like an icon or logo for your projects too
<RiffRaff> ok, will do...
<Sweetcake> you can use http://www.azstarnet.com/~pdavis/patti.gif or whatever the picture filename is to link it.
<Troi-> hmmm... first I heard of that request.
<who> Couns: I am in the room at V.U. right now...its not secure but i just opened it with a /join
<who> hope my log is working...sigh
<Counselor> Well, who, as long as that works, perhaps we could go ahead and use it if everyone would prefer.
<who> in fact Lexa was there too
<Sweetcake> They do not have it secure yet, they said next semester noone will be able to create rooms!
<Troi-> http://www.azstarnet.com/~pdavis/index.html/pattie2.jpg
<Troi-> like that?
<who> worked fine for class 
<who> brb
<Sweetcake> yes send that URL to him and he can use it to link to your picture.
<who> Sorry! I couldn't find the subscriber's home page you requested.
<Counselor> Yeah, it worked ok for me too at class.
<Sweetcake> I say if they do not answer us soon that we can just move to the other server and try it out anyway!
<Troi-> who.. for me?
<who> t: yep...found it as http://www.azstarnet.com/~pdavis/pattie2.jpg
<Lexa> i'm back :)
<RiffRaff> hehe.. :)
<who> note...no index.html in addy
<JerseyL> 1,8:)
<Troi-> ok.. :)
<who> Troi-....verrrry niiiice
<Sweetcake> Jeff are we going to discuss new homework assignments tonight?
<Troi-> thank you Who.. (blush)
<Counselor> Sure, whatever anyone wants to discuss...
RiffRaff grins, "Well, let me know if you need anything else written." :)
who confesses he hasn't read /or printed/ hw yet
<Counselor> I looked over the assignemnts...they sort of look like one person tasks.
<RiffRaff> that was kinda fun. :)
<Troi-> as far as the challenges go.. I am Table'd to death.. Have 2 web pages with multiple tables on both for the office site. I also have a guest book form and an extensive Employment form on the office web site.. So I would like to work on Frames some
<Sweetcake> I think we should discuss the new homework assignments and try to divide it up between us so we can get started working on it. This way we will have almost 2 weeks to complete the assignments and will not be rushed.
<Counselor> Ok, troi, it sounds like you can give us all a tutorial in tables..  :)
<who> Frame me!
<Troi-> LOL.. maybe I should do the tables and forms.. I have already done them, I can point to them and explain how I did them.. just an idea
<Sweetcake> At least it is not a big assignment. Maybe we can each work on one of the assignments. Let everyone work individually on this week and let everyone pick what they want. As long as there is at least 1 person working on each assignment we will have everything covered.
<RiffRaff> yeah, after goofy me was late getting mine turned in, and held up everyone. :(
<Troi-> one or the other of course.. :)
<Counselor> Well, I have a personal interest in the code to decide what browser is running, so if no one wants that, I will work on it.
<Sweetcake> I don't want that one! You can have it gladly!
<RiffRaff> what else is available?
<Troi-> ok.. that is #4 challenge then
<Troi-> for Counselor
<RiffRaff> Troi: I just DID#4. :)
<who> C: quickly...what are the assignments this week...in one word sentences
<Troi-> LOL
<RiffRaff> er DID #4
<RiffRaff> Steve has it.
<Sweetcake> I kinda wanted to work on the forms part of the assignment. It is something that I have not done really and does not seem as hard as frames. I do not think I could teach frames to myself in this time period.
<JerseyL> 1 frames
<JerseyL> 2 tables
<who> RR: new #4
<who> ithink
<Troi-> #1 Frames  #2 Tables #3 side border on page and various table #4 code for browser #5 CGI Forms
<JerseyL> 3 side border 
<Troi-> I think that covers it in a few words..
<Troi-> :)
<RiffRaff> CGI forms...ewwwwwwwwwwwww
<who> #5 sounds fun
<RiffRaff> what CGI forms?
<Troi-> Yea... My form I just did was 3 printed pages long.. 
<who> but do i have auth?
<who> i'd like #1 or #5
<Sweetcake> can you make cgi forms without access to a cgi bin?  Does it say anything about just regular forms?
<Troi-> who you can take a look at mine at http://www.flash.net/~mmla/inquiry.htm
<RiffRaff> I thought you had to have access to cgi-bin.
<Lexa> i'd like to work #1   I LOVE FRAMES :)))
<Troi-> yes.. I believe you have to have CGI-bin on your server
who thinks Lexa needs professiona help
<RiffRaff> Yeah Sasha is our frame expert here. :)
<Counselor> Ok, I'll take #4 (new)
<Counselor> agrees
RiffRaff is trying to decide what he can do...
Counselor agrees
<Lexa> no Steve, I need my bed :)
<JerseyL> I would take #3, but I don
<JerseyL> t kno
<RiffRaff> Someone want to help me with borders?
<JerseyL> sorry don't know if I understand the question.
<Troi-> I will try #3 then.. doing a table with a side border
<JerseyL> Should I do 2
<RiffRaff> Troi: can I be the bumbling assistant? :)
<Sweetcake> Does anyone have access to a cgi-bin?
<Troi-> or maybe I should try frames.. since I havent done that yet.. hmmmm
<Troi-> I can't think anymore.. I am sooooooooooooo tired.. LOL
<Troi-> I have cig-bin on my server
<RiffRaff> I have access to cgi-bin, but I thought Steve wanted the job. :)
<Troi-> RiffRaff.. If you want, we can work on the side border and table together?
<RiffRaff> okie. :)
<RiffRaff> whats a side border? :)
<JerseyL> good question
RiffRaff flips through his HTML guide.
<Troi-> LOL.. a background graphic.. with the graphics on one side of the page.. running all the way down from top to bottom
<Counselor> I think the difficult part of this week's asignment will be to make pages look the same in Netscape and IE.
<Sweetcake> you know a picture background thing where there is a verticle line and all the text has to be to the right side so it does not go on the left side border thing.
<JerseyL> ohhh
<RiffRaff> oh, those things! sure!
<Troi-> :)
<who> what about unix?
<JerseyL> Does anyone besides Carol have access to Netscape and IE?
<RiffRaff> ok, I'll help Troi and LExa on Frames and borders. :)
<who>  me
<Lexa> me
<RiffRaff> not I..Netscape is evil. :)
<Counselor> And me..
<Troi-> and I will help RiffRaff and Lexa on Frames and borders.. :)
<who> also...somewhere i have url for sites that let you check against various environments
<RiffRaff> Troi: LOL
<Sweetcake> Some of the things mentioned in the homework assignment are wrong, you can use BGCOLOR in netscape for tables and it will show up!
<Troi-> hehehehe
<Counselor> Who, I have that link on my page.
<RiffRaff> Troi: and what will Lexa work on?  OH, right...
<Counselor> It's called bobby
<Troi-> hehehe RiffRaff
<Troi-> at the meeting sunday.. they gave some good validation site URLs
<Counselor> Those validation sites are also listed on my page...  :)
<RiffRaff> Troi: when and where can I usually find you online?
<Troi-> usually at night.. 
<Counselor> I think the "kinder, gentler validation site" is best.
<RiffRaff> Troi: is 10 PM too late?
<Troi-> I work from 7:30am to 5:30pm.. 
<Troi-> all depends.. what time zone are you in?
<RiffRaff> so...is 10 PM too late? :)
<RiffRaff> I'm in EST..or EDT...or whatever.
<Troi-> I am in AZ.. an hour ahead of PST
<RiffRaff> oh!
<Troi-> well.. its 7:46pm here now.
<RiffRaff> ok, so good, I can find you about 7 your time. :)
<RiffRaff> er..8.
<Sweetcake> it's almost 10 pm here right now!
<Counselor> It's 6:46 here..
<Troi-> yeah.. but email me.. I might be working on the office home page.
<RiffRaff> it's 947 here
<RiffRaff> will do.. :)
<Troi-> okeyDokey.. :)
<Sweetcake> same here my clock is fast!
<RiffRaff> rodger dodger..
<Troi-> whatever trips your trigger.. :)
<Counselor> FYI:  I have IRCII working under WIN95...yeah!
<RiffRaff> whatever floats your boaT. :)
<Troi-> heheheh
<Troi-> Great Jeff!
<Sweetcake> What was the problem Jeff? How did you get it to work?
<who> why IRCII?
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<Counselor> I like the clock...it announces each minute in speech.
<RiffRaff> Troi: email addy, please?  i want to discern it from the huge group i have. :)
<Sweetcake> so it will talk to him!
<Troi-> email Addy?
<Counselor> Well, do you have all night?  
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<RiffRaff> addy=address=e-mail address.. :)
<Troi-> oh.. ok.. :)
<RiffRaff> LEXA!  did you fall asleep?
<RiffRaff> :)
<Lexa> not yet
<RiffRaff> ok. :)  just checkin' :)
<RiffRaff> when do you want to work on frames, kitty?
<Sweetcake> No Lexa is so dedicated she is already working on the frames assignment! She will be finished and have it posted very soon!
<Counselor> BTW, does anyone here have a parallel zip drive and scanner running on the same system?  That's my next battle with win95.
<RiffRaff> Ok..why dont we let her rest this week then? :)
<Sweetcake> I have a scanner and a external printer port tape backup working over here.
<Lexa> hihihi....i used frames already on my graphic assignment :)
<JerseyL> What other parts do we need for the assignment?
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<RiffRaff> Lexa: you can help with borders if you want. :)
<Counselor> I might be in touch with you sweetcake for some tips.
<Lexa> i'll help Troi and you, no problem :)
<RiffRaff> ok, sweetie...
<Troi-> thanks Lexa.. :)
<RiffRaff> oh boy, working with Troi and LExa..how lucky can I guy get? :)
<JerseyL> What should I do for the assignment???
<Troi-> LOL
<Counselor> So, is everyone clear on what they are going to work on for this 2-week assignment?
<JerseyL> no
<Sweetcake> Ok Jeff, If I do not know the answer I can ask my husband Tom. The flatbed scanner and the tape backup work just fine on my system.
<Troi-> #2 is still open I think
<Sweetcake> no
<RiffRaff> what about #1?
<Sweetcake> what is #2?
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<Sweetcake> I forgot what the # are?
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<who> RIFFs words are up on the site now...http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9342/sjcwk34.html
<Troi-> # 1 is the Frames.. with Lexa, Paul and I
<Troi-> # 2 different forms of tables
<RiffRaff> yeah, go see what I wrote, and praise me! :)
<who> <Troi-> #1 Frames  #2 Tables #3 side border on page and various table #4 code for browser #5 CGI Forms
<who> i can do tables
<JerseyL> I can do some of #2; however, I don't think I can aslign graphics and text to look the same without a table.
<who> i can help someone with tables
<Troi-> part of the learning process Jersey.. :)
<Troi-> ok.. so Who and Jersey have tables then?
<who> i can HELP
<Counselor> I'll help also if needed.
<who> who else is not assigned?
<Sweetcake> can a person do #5 without access to a cgi-bin? 
<who> hawk
<who> geethan
<RiffRaff> anyone writing down assignments?
<JerseyL> I'll try tables--Pattie you'll help me with questions right???
<who> RR: no faith?
<Troi-> This is such a great group.. I love it.. everyone is always willing to help out each other.. Just like a team should be. :)
<Troi-> sure Jersey.. no problem.. :)
<JerseyL> Do you mean LR???
<Sweetcake> me, karen, hawk, kwhats, geetha still need assignmnets!
<RiffRaff> who: no faith in what? :)
<Counselor> I'm not sure, sweetcake...perhaps if the cgi script exists.
<who> in our remembering who is doing what
<RiffRaff> who: I just don't want us all to get confused over who's doing what, thats all.
<who> or what is doing who
<RiffRaff> besides, you are "who". :)
<RiffRaff> that could get confusing right there. :)
<who> or who is doing who....
<who> you can go blind you know
<RiffRaff> you are doing what? :)
<who> first base
<RiffRaff> LOL
<Counselor> I have already gone blind...  :)  :)  :)
<Sweetcake> I can also help with tables, have done simple ones, have not tried the text & picture thing or the background border thing before but am willing to try.
<Counselor> :P
<Troi-> I have to leave.. (expecting a long distance call from my honey) I believe I am involved in #1 and #3 if this changes.. please let me know.. I can try to answer questions on forms and tables too.. 
<Troi-> bye all.. have a great night!!!!!
<who> C: what is ur site?
<RiffRaff> TROI!!!
<who> nite troi
<RiffRaff> wait!  whats the email address???
Troi- runs around and gives warm fuzzy HUGS out to everyone!
who says to Troi- I multitask... I read in the bathroom!
<Counselor> SEe ya
<Sweetcake> night troi!
<Lexa> bye Troi
<Troi-> mine riffraff?
<RiffRaff> yes!
<RiffRaff> duh! :)
<Troi-> it is on the home page silly.. :)
<RiffRaff> oh
<RiffRaff> ok.bye. :L)
<Troi-> LOL
<Troi-> bye bye.. 
<RiffRaff> er bye. :)
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<Counselor> So, JerseyL, did you choose a challenge?
<Sweetcake> I will look into the forms assignmnet later tonight and see if it is something that I can do, if I can't complete the assignment I will let everyone know tomorrow so we can find another person who can do it.
<RiffRaff> "Who is the band on stage?"  "Who."  "The name of the band."  "who."  "The band on stage!"
<who> S: r u posting 2/23?
<JerseyL> I guess I'm doing part of #2.
<Counselor> Are you comfortable with that, JerseyL?
<Sweetcake> Is that OK with everyone? I will do #5 if I am able to complete the assignment without access to a cgi-bin.  If I can do that I will do #5. I let everyone know definate tomorrow.
<who> Who all is on #2?
<JerseyL> not sure yet--need some time to play around with it
<JerseyL> me, you, Jeff
<Sweetcake> Sundays #825 log was posted first thing Monday morning!
<who> and i also volunteered for #5 and #1
<RiffRaff> Sasha, Troi and I have #3.
<who> c..i know tables..would like to learn about frames and cgi
<Sweetcake> Is someone writing this all down?
<JerseyL> I'll try to do what I can and ask you for help when I get stuck (it will be soon though!)
<who> Okay...for the log...lets run thru it one time
<who> #1 Frames is:.....?
<Counselor> Isn't someone logging this session?
<Sweetcake> I am
<JerseyL> Lexa, you and Riff
<Sweetcake> and who
<who> i have log...would like to get concensus right now all in one place
<who> can we recap?
<RiffRaff> recap please. :)
<who> S: r u posting 2/23 log?
<JerseyL> #1--Lexa, Steve, and Riff
<who> Frames
<Sweetcake> What 2/23 log? The one from Sunday? The #room825 log? It's been posted already!
<JerseyL> right
<who> #2 tables...is ... ?
<Counselor> I think I am doing #4 and helping with #2.
<JerseyL> #2 me to start and I'll ask for help.  Maybe Karen can do this with me?
<who> I volunteered to help with #2...key word HELP
<Counselor> That's a good suggestion, JerseyL.
<JerseyL> OK OK OK
<who> #2: tables...JerseyL, Karen, and a little who
<RiffRaff> I like who. :)
<RiffRaff> hehe
<who> SWEET: last log on page is 2/21????
<who> #3: side border...is.....???
<JerseyL> Pattie
<RiffRaff> me, Lexa adnpatie
<RiffRaff> woooops
<RiffRaff> me lexa, aunt pattie
<who> #3: side borders is Cutter, Lexa, and PDavis
<Sweetcake> Web-o-crats log last one was for friday and the last 825 log was from sunday.
<who> #4: server id is Counselor
<who> <and you will teach us all>
<Sweetcake> who is cutter?
<who> SWEET: o i c...grimmace
<Counselor> No, who is steve...   :P
<RiffRaff> me cutter
who grins...I love my nick!!!!
<Sweetcake> #5 Sweetcake
<Sweetcake> we will also get more help with Karen, Kwhats, Geetha, Hawk who have not yet had the opportunity to volunteer for anything.
<JerseyL> Is this assignment due in 2 weeks??
<who> #5: cgi forms..Carol, Karen, and a little more who
<who> Ghatten and Leapin r really good about giving enuff time
<Counselor> Yes, this assignment is due in 2 weeks.
<JerseyL> Is that it?
<Sweetcake> Jeff  need to send out a recap email to everyone on who volunteered for what and see what the people who have not yet volunteered  want to help out with.
<Counselor> I don't have anything else...
<JerseyL> OK I'm going to go--it's 10:15 here and my husband needs the computer.  Good night.
<Sweetcake> A lot easier than the last assignmnet!
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<Sweetcake> Night Linda!
<Lexa> night Linda
<Logic> 11,01Around
<who> nite all and don't forget to input for bios
<Counselor> 'night linda
<Logic> 13,01Hiyas
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<Logic> Any Topic Here?
<who> 4What about the idea of celebrity bio???
<RiffRaff> Logic has the wrong channel. :)
<who> Loggo: class study group
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<Logic> Sorry Bout That RiffRaff.......With No Topic..I Had No Idea
<Sweetcake> Logic this is a study group session.
<who> sometimes we don't either
<Sweetcake> no problem...
<Logic> Adios All Sorry To Interupt
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<Sweetcake> have a good one!
<RiffRaff> hehehehe
<RiffRaff> that was cute. :)
<Sweetcake> How is everyone coming along with their "Beyond HTML" individual project pages?
<who> Thats what my first wife used to say!
<Counselor> Well, if no one has any other business, I think I'll get back to making my win095 work..
<Sweetcake> I can't think of any other business.
<RiffRaff> is that all there is? :)
<Sweetcake> maybe just email everyone the assignments and who volunteered for what and see what the others want to help with.
<who> gimme gimme gimme
RiffRaff breaks out into song, "if that's all there is, my friends...then lets keep daaancing..."
<who> first base
<Sweetcake> Did Lexa fall back asleep?
<Lexa> no, i'm still here :)
<Lexa> but i'll go in few min
<Sweetcake> Good!
RiffRaff kisses Lexa so she stays awake. :)
<Counselor> Sweetcake, did you say you were logging this?  I'm not, so if you are perhaps you could send out the note about who is doing what or send it to me and I'll forward it out.
<Counselor> Otherwise, let me know when it's posted so I can look it up.
<Sweetcake> I am logging it.
<Sweetcake> ok no problem.
<who> S: should all be in that one little section just a while ago
<Counselor> Thanks a bunch Sweetcake...  :)
<Sweetcake> If there is nothing else I think I am gonna hit the road also!
<RiffRaff> ok..we have our assignments..this tape will self-destruct in 10 seconds...
<Sweetcake> ok goodnight everyone!
<Counselor> Ok, I'm outa here...  
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