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<Sweetcake> Hello Who_away!
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<who_eating> hi sweetie...just finishing up
<who_eating> lexa was here at 6 said she'd be back at 7
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<Friction> Hey guys!!! Is this a private conversation?
<Sweetcake> No problem, go finish eating.. noone else is here yet. I'll be right back.. gonna post the logs from Sun night.
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<Sweetcake> Yes, this is a study group meeting for VU class 825
<Sweetcake> Hello Linda....
<JerseyL> hi carol
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<Fox> Hello stats please.
<Sweetcake> Linda I'll be right back in a few minutes.. gonna go post the logs from sun night.
<Friction> OPPS Sorry. Is every one here but me involved?
<Fox> no I'm not involved
<Sweetcake> Linda I'll be right back..
<who_eating> lo fox...
<who_eating> didn't mean to ignore you...i wasn't even here
<Friction> Fox Talk to you in Pig Pen. Kay?
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<Fox> Oh hello
<Fox> pig pin what?
<Fox> oh well
<who_eating> heard buff was having probs tonite
<Fox> Stats who_eating
<JerseyL> brb
<Fox> ok
<Fox> will someone pleeaaseee talk to me.
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<who> okay foxie..wassup
<Fox> who>>stats please
<who> stat means immediately in ER
<Fox> not on the net
<who> okay stats
<who> ba = .310
<who> hr = 34
<Fox> what?
<who> era = 2.17
<who> baseball stats
<Fox> R U a doctor or sompin?
<who> sorry
<who> just funnin
<who> this room is a study group for the University
<who> we all old folk
<Fox> oh well I don't care
<Fox> are you in your 40's too
<who> been there done that
<who> quit counting at 39
<Fox> very funny.  can't you C me laughing
<Sweetcake> OK I'm back from posting the logs.. wonder where everyone else is?
<Fox> hey
<Sweetcake> Hey WHO.. OP the rest of us!!
who sets mode: +o JerseyL
who sets mode: +o Sweetcake
<who> sorry...members only
<Sweetcake> THANKS!!! :-)
<Fox> are you aiming this towards me?
<who> Fox...whatcha looking for
<Fox> duh someone to chat with
<who> not trying to be rude...just following orders
<Fox> Poof since your going to be rude
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<who> oh well...who else is expected?
<Sweetcake> I saw that Jeff posted the check browser thing. He did a good job! It worked!!
<Sweetcake> I figured our feerless leader would be here!
<who> posted on first page?
<Sweetcake> Did anyone get the new assignment yet? I did not get one. I thought it was supposed to be in our mailbox yesterday!
<who> no..no classes have em yet
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<Sweetcake> Yes it is posted on our main page.. right under the introduction paragraph thing.
<who> heard that VU was upgrading equipment
<who> so may be deleay
<who> delay
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<Sweetcake> A few days to relax is good!
<Sweetcake> Linda are you still here?
<JerseyL> I'm here
<Sweetcake> OK your quiet tonight!
<JerseyL> Guess there's not much going on tonight
<Sweetcake> not without the new lesson I guess..
<who> where's pat
<JerseyL> ???
<who> or riff
<JerseyL> How do you make someone an op?
<Sweetcake> Are you using PIRCH?
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<Troi-> hi all!
<JerseyL> hi pattie
<JerseyL> mirc
<Sweetcake> Hello Pattie
<who> gee whiz...ask and ye shall recieve
<Troi-> so, was anyone able to get this weeks lesson yet?
<Troi-> Who?
<Sweetcake> Don't know how in MIRC ..in Pirch you just have to hightlight the persons name on the right and then give them ops
<who> i just said where's pat
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<Troi-> oh..LOL
<Troi-> Thanks Carol!
<who> can also do the /mod -o who ops
<Sweetcake> your welcome.. Pattie do you use MIRC?
<who> or some such
<who> im on mirc
<Troi-> yes.. I use Mirc
<Sweetcake> Linda wanted to know how do you give someone ops in the channel using mirc.
<who> just click on name in right column
<JerseyL> Do you kick someone out by highlighting their name and choosing "kick user."
<JerseyL> That's all Pattie?
<Troi-> just what who said.. :)
<who> left click
<who> to highlight
<who> right click for options
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<who> under controls is give ops
<Sweetcake> Yes Linda highlighting and kicking would kick that person from the channel!
<Troi-> left click on the name, right click for options.. controls give ops and kick.. and ban
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who says to JerseyL Boycott shampoo! Demand the REAL poo!
<Troi-> LOL
<Troi-> So.. whats the subject for tonight besides IRC.. :)
<JerseyL> You people in California must speak a different language!!!
<Troi-> Anyone get the lesson yet?
<Sweetcake> Don't know.. the lesson is late! Noone has received the new lesson yet.
<JerseyL> no lesson
<Troi-> hmm..wonder why they are so late
<who> T: did you and Riff get together last nite?
<Troi-> I waited on IRC for him for 20 min.. he never showed
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<who> I showed up about 20 past
<Troi-> we were supposed to meet at 10 his time.. 8 my time
<who> and no one was there
<who> i talked with him about 3 pst and he was planning on meeting you
<Troi-> hmmm.. I wonder where he was then.. 
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<who> dunno...but what we talked about was designing in frames and/or ??? into "meet" pages
<Sweetcake> wonder where Jeff is?
<Sweetcake> Anyone sign up for classes for next semester yet?
<who> i see the "Meet the Members" pages as either Framed with the names down the left...or
<Troi-> well, I went ahead and updated my pages a little on my own then
<Troi-> I did carol
<Sweetcake> And I think it looks just great Pattie.
<who> i prefer...left border with java script list for member names so that frameless browsers would work
<Troi-> thanks Carol.. I really do appreaciate your taking a look at them.. :)
<Sweetcake> I signed up for the graphics and the advanced html. I also ordered PSP today. I hope it comes before the graphics class starts.
<who> think all pages are coming together
<who> does graphics class require PSP?
<Troi-> Are you think of moving some of the stuff off the front page to other adjacent pages.. If so, I think that would be a good idea.. the page as it is now takes a long time to load.. even with a  24.4 modem
<Sweetcake> I do not think so, it did not mention that you had to have any specific software to take the class.
<who> Our front page will be going away completely
<who> that is just the working page
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<who> we need a new front door
<Troi-> well, the class will not start till I think April 14th so I think you have plenty of time.. 
<Troi-> ahh..  Who.. :)
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<who> i see a Splash page with a "push" to an intro page
<Troi-> sounds good!
<who> intro page will do the explaining purpose
<who> but all the homework pages will be history somewhere
<JerseyL> Pattie, what did you sign up for?
<who> so bear with me...or bare with me if you dare
<who> page one: splash with disolve
<Sweetcake> maybe the logs should also be posted on their own page, they seem to be taking up a lot of room on our main page right now.
<Troi-> I signed up for the graphics design and Advanced HTML.. 
<JerseyL> I think a separate log page is a good idea.
<who> page two: Intro page with map to the home of the stars (thats us)
<Troi-> Class #831 and #828
<JerseyL> Same as you Carol--831 and 828?
<who> Page three-(1 thru 10) is each of our "mtm" pages
<who> Page four-(1 thru 10) is each of our individual projects
<Sweetcake> Yes those are the 2 classes that I signed up for also.
<who> Page five: such as it is would be the questionairreerrer for people to sign up
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<JerseyL> hi sasha
<Lexa> hi everyone
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<Troi-> HI Sasha!
<Sweetcake> Hello Sasha!
<who> page six: if we would like to could be a celebrity page with guest stars and their answers and their projects
<JerseyL> What's the difference between and splash and a push page again.
<who> then perhaps a credits page somewhere in the rear
<Sweetcake> I think a splash page is sorta like a magazine cover that changes periodiacally.
<JerseyL> Sounds like a good plan who
<Troi-> Yeah.. Who.. the outline of what you explained sounds really good.
<who> splash page is like a fancy show-off page
<who> the push would be to disolve from the splash to the intro
<JerseyL> What do you mean by our homework will be history?
<Sweetcake> where would you link the HW assignments and the LOgs?
<Sweetcake> We need to keep the logs and the HW assignments somewhere so the teachers can evaluate them and see that we covered all the assignments.
<Troi-> yeah.. we could have another page.. that list the weeks.. then have the links to our homework that we did linked there.
<who> Will not be part of real site...tho i think we could still link to it for posterity sake
<who> just a historical footnote to the Real Site
<Troi-> OK.. question.. who is going to upkeep this site then.. after the class is done.. or will someone? 
<Sweetcake> We need to link to the assignments and the logs somewhere as it is required in the assignments. The links have to be there somewhere.
<Troi-> yes.. I agree Carol
<Sweetcake> The HW and the logs have to stay at least until the class is over officially and all the awards and credits for completing the class have been handed out.
<who> Yes...I was referring to beyond the class
<who> and, no, i don't know who will maintain site
<who> good question
<who> would be nice if it were
<JerseyL> How does geocities work, do they cut you off if not maintained?
<Sweetcake> don't know about that.
<who> me neither...someone must clean up the bodies
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<Fox> by study freaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Sweetcake> Steve how is the form coming along? Did you get it to work yet?
<who> it is working in ns but looks strange in ms
<Sweetcake> what looks strange in MSIE?
<who> also...i am emailing to myself for now and output is screwy
<who> uno
<Sweetcake> you can't read what is mailed? I have not tried making a form with geocities before.
<who> it comes out as one long line and the html is included
<Sweetcake> I should try it sometime and see how it works.  
<who> also having trouble with geo update
<Sweetcake> It does not just email you the answers? weird!
<who> been doing off-line and uploading
<who> works on sprynet...so i must be missing something
<who> i'll get it yet
<Sweetcake> can't use the online editor? I have a problem every time I use the editor on my main page. I have code on my page so people can cut and paste it onto their homepage if they want a copy of my banner and when I use the online editor I always have to re put in the codes to show the code only and not show the banner.
<JerseyL> Carol, I just checked out your Smallest Angel page.  It's very moving.
<Sweetcake> Thanks very much, I had to place 3 names on it today. I placed the URL on a few search engines and am getting a few visitors every day so it is a start.
<who> hope to get mine up some day...gave myself a year
<who> thats the tradition for placing a marker
<Sweetcake> brb
<who> S: did you email the "orphans?
<Troi-> Carol.. I just looked at your page too.. It is very moving. It is a very sincere and moving thing you are dong there.
<who> hello?
<JerseyL> Anyone--do you think that the 831 course will be similar to this?
<Troi-> Who.. I thought Jeff was going to do that
<who> do what?
<who> oh the mail...perhaps
<JerseyL> I think Jeff did.
<Troi-> well, the 831 class deals mainly with graphics, creating then, placing them.. HTML is secondary in that course I think.
<who> well i could mess with thier mtm pages and see if they catch it?
<JerseyL> Much of the description sounds similar--animation, cgi, java, frames
<Troi-> LOL who
<JerseyL> Pattie-- did you take a course before this at VU?
<Troi-> yeah. but its more of the design concept thing though.. not just how to do cgi java, graphics.. more of getting the design of the whole page in order
<Troi-> No.. this was my first time at VU.
<who> Don't know if any of you follow the web monkeys but the latest page is of interest
<who> http://www.webmonkey.com/webmonkey/teachingtool/
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<kermit> hi
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<who> froggie?
<JerseyL> Just bookmarked it--it looks good.
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<who> web monkey is always interesting
<who> sash
<who> a
<Troi-> wb Sasha
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Troi- sets mode: +o Lexa
<kermit> just found out about this channel, thought I would pop in to see what's happening
<kermit> my name is Cathy, f, 40, married, live in Dillon Montana
<Sweetcake> am back..
<Troi-> well Kermit, we are in the middle of a study group meeting for HTML.. So I am not sure if here is where you want to be, but you are welcome to sit back and listen if you want ;)  Class study is almost over anyway..
<kermit> ok
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<Sweetcake> I am hoping that my sister enjoys the page also when I tell her about it. I am keeping the page a secret to her until her birthday on the 29th.
<Troi-> So Who..  you are going to be one of the assoc. Instructors for the #821 class eh? cool... I know you will do good. :)
<who> ;you've not told yet???
<who> blind leading blind
<who> sorry counselor
<Troi-> LOL Who
<Sweetcake> No I did not email any orphans? What orphans? The ones from our group? I thought that Jeff was going to send then all email to see what is up. I did email everyone in the group the new schedule.
<Troi-> I am sure he would have laughed too.. :)
<who> picture the staff....an owl and a flamingo following a cat
<who> sweet: that was an hour ago...just read it?
<Sweetcake> I hope the 831 class is structored different, but do not know. Maybe everyone will be working on 1 site from the way that they described it.
<who> wait...were you talking about you've not told yet???
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<who> is 831 the independent study thing?
<JerseyL> no--graphic design is 831
<who> lots of nubies of ZIA tonight
<Troi-> #831 The Beginner's Graphic and Design Shop.
<who> i do that
<Troi-> #838 is Advanced HTML.. the independent Study Program
<JerseyL> do what?
<dreamer> hi
<who> aslong as it won't cost me big bucks to keep up
<who> 831...
<who> wanna make pix
<who> anyway...which one of us does push?
<Troi-> Well, I want to learn how to design properly
<Sweetcake> yes I was on the side had to answer an improtant email.. was catching up on the conversation!
<Troi-> Hi Dreamer
<who> lotta ketchup
<dreamer> hi troi
<Troi-> Hold the Mustard though... LO>
<Troi-> LOL even
<Sweetcake> I think I am caught up now..wonder what happened to counselor tonight? Anyone hear from him?
<Troi-> Dreamer.. are you looking for someone?
<JerseyL> Steve, did you only take one class before this at VU?
<dreamer> someone to talk to
<who> took 821 last year
<JerseyL> Did you form study groups?
<who> tried creative writing but didn't finish
<who> yes
<Sweetcake> I took the Internet for dummies clas or whatever it is called and the fun things to do on the internet class before.
<JerseyL> How was your study groups compared to this, we had a lot of leadership change and lost members.
<Troi-> ahh.. well Dreamer.. we are in the middle of a study group meeting for a class we are in.. so not to much time for chit chat I'm afraid.. sorry... 
<who> study groups were necessary
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<JerseyL> Carol--did you have a study group?
<who> previous class was more directed
<who> and groups more cohesive
<who> AMANDA
<Sweetcake> no not in those 2 classes took them quite a while ago and the fun things to do on the internet as I recall was not very fun at all!
<who> <my daughter is commandeering the keyboard a moment>
<JerseyL> Hi Amanda!  1,8:)
<Sweetcake> Hello AMANDA!!! 
<Troi-> well, at least this class has more support from it 's instructors than the Creative writing class I am in. . NOT ONE word from the instructor about anything we have done.. just sends the lessons and thats it... pretty dissappointed in him.. Our study group has been supportive of one another.. but they and I are not teachers.. otherwise we would be teaching instead of wanting to learn how to do it right
Sweetcake hugs AMANDA!
<who> amanda says  hello
<Sweetcake> Pattie, no class meetings on IRC for the other class?
<Troi-> Nope..not a one
<JerseyL> Wow!
<who> t: writing class is Richard i believe...maybe he turned it over this year
<JerseyL> What do you have to do for Creative Writing?
<Troi-> No..it is still Richard..
<Sweetcake> And he does not even let you know how your work is that you turn in?
<Troi-> Lots of writing.
<who> 1,8:)
<JerseyL> 1,8:)
<Troi-> Richard is also the Webmaster of VU  I found out.. so he's really busy.. but still.. we did need some direction and feedback on what we were doing
<Sweetcake> What kind of assignments are handed out in that class? What do you have to write about?
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<Sweetcake> your vase is crroked!
<who> that was from amanda
<Sweetcake> crooked!
<who> crroked?
<Troi-> Havent heard anything back on anything I have done..  Have had to do stories on memorable characters in our lives..
<who> like a frog?
<JerseyL> I'm impressed!
<Troi-> Hi Amanda!!
<Sweetcake> it is a vase of roses? isn't it?
<who> she is now gone to change to nities
<who> yes
<Troi-> We had to do storiwes on Feelings,, Make believe stories on Noises in the night..
<Troi-> A little story on Cliches.. a few other things.
<JerseyL> Why do you need a study group?
<Sweetcake> I can't do cute artwork in here! The roses are very nice. Maybe after the advanced html & the graphics course I should take a class on IRC!
<who> sounds a lot different than last year
<who> its easy 
<who> really
<who> but...back to groups
<Sweetcake> so you write the stories and turn them in and that is it? No feedback or critiques on how to improve the piece you write?
<who> when i did creative writing...group was the backbone of the course
<Troi-> Well, I feel sorry for those who didnt get in a study group.. At least we in the group had each other to ask questions of.. those who did'nt, did not have anyone..not even the instructor.. and I did write him a couple times, as leader of our group, with no reply
<who> we would write and post to a site...then critique each others works
<Troi-> No feedback, no critique.. nada..
<JerseyL> too bad
<Sweetcake> glad I did not take that class!
<who> you gotta realize that no one teacher could read or even scan 5000+ stories
<JerseyL> Does anyone know the teacher for 831?
<Sweetcake> I'll go look hold on!
<Troi-> yes who.. we do that.. bet as I said... we are not the teacher.. so who is to say someone else in our group is giving good or bad advice or critiques?
<who> well gang...831 is one of the 821 students
<who> Ghatten says he is very nice and good
<JerseyL> present 821 student?
<Troi-> well, there are 12 in my Group.. and not 1 of us has heard from him..
<Troi-> #831 says.. Marty Moseley
<who> think the real answer is Troi= just to do it and do it and do it
<who> develope on your own...didn't work for me
<Troi-> yeah. .. but there comes a time when you need some feedback to see if you are going in the right direction.... or off the deep end.
<who> BTW: I would recommend trying "The Artist's Way" for anyone wanting to release their creativity
<JerseyL> Afraid to ask--
<who> Troi- you are correct of course
<who> but my hang up was depending too much on feedback and never getting anything done
<Troi-> I was really looking forward to the writing class too.. I wanted to refine alot of the poetry I have written and also my songs and stories.
<who> Artists Way is a sort of work book for realizing your creativity
<Troi-> well, just a little feedback would have been nice.
<who> entails lots of journaling and play time
<Troi-> Hmmm. Is it sold in the bookstores who?
<who> yes...also on=line
<who> brb
<Troi-> cool.. I will check it out.. thanks.
<Troi-> well, I guess enough of my ranting and raving.. LOL.. sorry about that all.
<Sweetcake> Wonder what are Java script lesson will entail?
<who> email addy is listserver@darkweb.com
<who> Troi-...i'd be happy to criticize you
<JerseyL> I gotta go, it's almost 11:30 and I have to be in school at 7:10.  Good night!
<Troi-> LOL.. thanks who.. but... :)
<Sweetcake> Night LInda!
<Troi-> bye Linda!!
<Troi-> Sweet Dreams
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<who> nnite linda
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<Sweetcake> I posted Sunday's logs for anyone who needs to read them.
<Sweetcake> nice tree!
<Troi-> heheh Its beginning to look a lot like Christmas..
<who> (amanda again>
<Troi-> Hi Amanda!
<who> 
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<Sweetcake> as long as there is no snow!!!
<who> it was 92 here today
<Troi-> LOL.. whats snow.. we don't see too much of that in Tucson.. It was in the mid 80's here today
<Sweetcake> not that warm here on Long Island, but the Winter was real mild on had a couple of inches of snow all winter.
<who> well gang...i've got to attend to my  chillen
<Troi-> well I guess I best be going too..
<who> i will be bugging you as i need help on front door
<Troi-> Guess we will discuss the lesson (if we get it) on friday then
<Sweetcake> I think we have covered everything that we can tonight since there has been no new lesson yet.
<who> Robert and Paul were s'posed to help me...hope to runnem down
<Troi-> Ok.. who if I can help.. let me know.. and I will see what I can do..
<who> Ghatten says she has sent lesson so its up to V.U.
<who> i'm not shy
<Troi-> :)
<Sweetcake> maybe it will come tomorrow!
<who> Remember, half of the world is below average!
<Sweetcake> Goodnight everyone!
<Troi-> ok all.. Good night then.. Sweet dreams... God Bless
<Troi-> Byes
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