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<Troi-> CAROL!!!!!!!!!!!!
<JerseyL> hi Carol
<Counselor> Hey!  There she is!
<Sweetcake> Hello everyone!
<Troi-> Glad to see you back.. :)
<who> geo is p***ing me off!
<Troi-> not me who..
who sets mode: +o Sweetcake
<Sweetcake> Yes am back! Tired but functioning!
<Counselor> Did you try ftp?
<JerseyL> 1,6:(
<Sweetcake> what's wrong with geo?
<Counselor> Who is having trouble uploading.
<JerseyL> 1,4:(
<who> C: from where do i ftp?
<Sweetcake> Geo was working earlier today.. was working on my project page.
<who> I mean i just click directory refresh and it's been running about 5 mins
<Counselor> In the URL location type:  ftp://member:passwrd@ftp.geocities.com
<who> and member is web-o-crats?
<Counselor> Once you're logged in, go to the file menu and select upload
<who> i'll try it as soon as refresh finishes
<Counselor> right...don't type the pass here...you can enter it there.
<Counselor> They *have* been slow today....but, like Carol, I'v uploaded too.
<who> how about if i type my pin instead
<Counselor> Maybe that's the prob
<who> think i'll log out of ns and back in...see if that helps
<Counselor> :)
<Counselor> Good idea..
<Sweetcake> if that does not help maybe you should relogin to your server all together. Maybe your internet connection is not very stable.
<who> i've got "connect: Host www..... Waiting for reply" been that way 5 now
<Counselor> That *is* a long time...
<who> now i'm out let me try again...i'll try ftp
<Counselor> If I were you, I'd abort the load with the ESC key and try again.
<who> i just hit stop and closed all ns
<Sweetcake> Who -- I just went to the Geocities file manager and went into my account and sucessfully uploaded a dummy test file and it uploaded fast and no problems! I then sucessfully deleted the uploaded file no problem.
<Sweetcake> WHO -- I think you may need to logoff and reconnect to your server or something.
<Counselor> Maybe his server is just overloaded right now.
<who> Got "GeoCities login incorrect"
<Counselor> Oh, man...make sure the member name and pw are corect..remembe case.
<who> okay...i'm getting off and on...nobody say anything until i get back
<who> 1,8:)
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<Sweetcake> sometimes that happenes to me with my server, I am connected but not very good. usually if I logoof and relog on the trouble goes away. If that does not work I usually logoff reboot and then relog and then everything works just fine. Geocities works just fine for me right now as I just tested it.
<Counselor> My wife's server gets busy this time of day and slows way down like that.
<Sweetcake> what was who trying to upload?
<Counselor> He didn't say.
<Counselor> Fortunately, the UW doesn't seem to have so much of a prob like that.
<Sweetcake> Jeff have you heard from any of our non participating members like geetha and Karen & Robert?
<Counselor> Nope...I've not heard from anyone.
<Troi-> so this is what you type?  ftp://(groupname):(our password)@ftp.geocities.com
<Troi-> I havent heard from any of them either.
<Counselor> Yup...that's supposed to work.
<Troi-> what about Paul (riffraff)
<Counselor> He's been to the last couple of meetings
<Sweetcake> ws_ftp32 is what I use when I want to do ftp.. just open it up and it works just great. never tried it from the command line in netscape
<Troi-> Does anyone know if he has done any of his challenge?
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<who> Okay...you can talk now!
<Troi-> same here carol.. I just use ws_ftp\
<Sweetcake> I have not seen any HW posted for this week except for mine and yours unless someone posted recently.
<Counselor> I don't know if Paul has done anything...and, I've not tried the Netscape ftp either, but I understand it's supposed to work.
<who> durn it....what did i miss?
<Troi-> oh Carol..how do you like the new Hotdog 3 so far.. I love it!
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<Troi-> I tried the netscape ftp and couldnt get a connect.
<JerseyL> I was just in the java link on our page.  It's pretty good.
<Sweetcake> I really like all the added features but the built in view  and editing window is a little small.
<JerseyL> I went to a shopping applet where you drag what you want into a shopping bag and it totals it.
<Troi-> I just have the icons. .. no text on the left side.. turned them off.. and it seems to be the same working size for me
<Sweetcake> Did you throw anything into the bag for us?
<JerseyL> They only had 12 choices--most of them for sailing.
<JerseyL> Kind of expensive too--what would you like.
<Sweetcake> How is everyones project pages coming along?
<Counselor> Who, do you have WS_FTP?
<who> huh
<Sweetcake> A BIG sailboat! I live about 1/2 mile from the ocean!
<JerseyL> I'll order you the jib sail.
<Sweetcake> he he he..
<Troi-> I haven't worked on mine and roberts for awhile.. haven't heard anything from him..
<who> back to waiting reply
<JerseyL> I have WS_FTP   I like it.
<JerseyL> I have a question.
<who> what is WS_FTP?
<Troi-> me too Jersey.. its great
<Sweetcake> who maybe you need to try again tomorrow.. what were you trying to upload?
<who> i'm in now
<Counselor> Who, it's an ftp client...what's your question J.
<Troi-> Go to the tucows site and download it Who
<JerseyL> When you go into the Netscape folder--Navigator--Program.  There is a folder for JAVA.  what is that???
<Counselor> Ok, who, go to the file menu and upload
<who> the new mtm pages
<Counselor> Hmmm...got me on that one, JerseyL.
<JerseyL> Anyone??
<who> i put up the log just 2 days ago with no probs
<Sweetcake> Linda maybe it is for the built in java stuff in the browser
<who> I found an interesting java script the other day
<Counselor> What was that who?
<who> it took users on a "tour" of the site if it was their first time there
<who> actually took control of browser to show user around features
<JerseyL> That makes sense Carol.  thanks
<who> then returned control....kinda scarey
<Troi-> WS...FTP.. File Transfer Protocol
<Counselor> Interesting...
<who> All RIGHT!!! first file of 6 uploaded!!!!
<JerseyL> Are you going to give us the URL?
<Troi-> heres the URL to download the WS_FTP from who:
<Troi-> http://tucows.phx.cox.com/ftp95.html
<who> in a moment....once all 6 r there
<JerseyL> Sorry, I meant the address for the java "tour"
<Sweetcake> I have a subdirectory for blacksun in mine and I know I d/l a java addon for blacksun chat or something. Was trying out the vrml geocities chat thing one day.
<who> oh...uno
<Troi-> I know Jersey.. I was just getting that for who.... :)
<JerseyL> Carol--could you explain quickly how you did your page--it was great.
<Sweetcake> The JAVA applet I got from a place called The JAVA Machine... let me get the URL hold on one sec..
<Counselor> I did a form today on Geo.
<JerseyL> How do you get the java applet and put it on your page?  Get the source code, then. . .
<Sweetcake> http://www.robtex.com/jm/jm.htm is the name of the site. It is real KOOL. You can pick all different things and edit it the way you like and then it gives you the code to put it your html and also gives you the option of d/l the class file. You can also pull the .class file directly from his site but it is not recommended because of load time. Then you upload the class file and add the html code fragment to your page and it works!
<who> i will give you the url in a moment...don't want to breath to hard while u/l is going on...just in case
<who> waiting reply again
<Sweetcake> You can also d/l his whole program and do everything offline!
<Counselor> SC, is it freeware or shareware?
<Sweetcake> gotta get a soda will brb
<Counselor> Who, are you using EZ or ftp?
<JerseyL> Is there any way I can cut and paste what she just wrote?
<Counselor> Yes, JerseyL, highlight it and go to the edit menu and cut it.
<Counselor> Copy it actually.
<JerseyL> I'm on mirc and there is no edit.
<Counselor> Hmmm...try CTRL-C
<Counselor> You probably won't know anything happened until you try to paste it somewhere.
<JerseyL> ctrl-c didn't work
<who> EZ is working now...almost done
<who> JERSEY
<who> the highlight alone is the ctl-C function...just try ctl-V
<Counselor> Maybe Who can help you..
<JerseyL> that worked!!  I just mailed it to myself.
<JerseyL> ctrl-c worked
<who> one of those "features" you have to stumble in to
<JerseyL> but you wouldn't know unless you pasted it
<Sweetcake> am back.. Jeff the program The JAVA machine is freeware I believe.
<Counselor> Yeah, it's standard Windows that the bottom lefthand keys combined with CTRL do the cut and paste functions.
<who> No...you don't even need to do ctl-c
<who> Hang on guys...we can all test drive the new pages as soon as refresh ends
<Counselor> Ok, Carol, thanks...
<Counselor> How was your daughter's party, Carol, and how is the business coming along?
<Sweetcake> The JAVA scripts that I put on the demo page I just grabbed them off of a java script page and posted them. Just editied the text in one of them and that wall all there was to it. Not hard at all.
<Sweetcake> The party was just great. I put the pictures in the shop today. Hopefully a nice one of Tracey will come out that I can post on her page. We had a great time. Was tired after it was all over with cooking all day on Thurs, party on Friday and work on sat & sun. Yesterday I cleaned up at home and got caught up on my housework and today I was working on my project page.
<Counselor> I'm glad the party went well...You'll have to let us know about the pictures when you get them up.
<Sweetcake> This evening I was doing some work on our business web pages. Hopefully in a few days I will get them all completed and ready to post and go online. But the business is doing well.. starting off very slow. Do not want to take on more than I can handle.
<Counselor> That's understandable...
<Counselor> Well, who, how's it comin'?
<who> Well...i'm ready for the test drive...r u?
<Counselor> You go first...  :P
<who> everybody go to WOC page
<who> and sing along...I've seen fire I've seen rain
<Sweetcake> Thanks to whoever it was that posted a few links in the resource room! We still need a few more  if anyone has some free time and can update our resource links it will be appreciated!
<Sweetcake> then what do we have to do once we get there?
<who> click on the Meet the Member....
<who> and pray!
<Counselor> Yeah, who, where's that guided tour?
<who> or is it prey?
<Sweetcake> ok Hail Mary full of grace.....
<Troi-> I put up a few in the CGI part..
<Sweetcake> ohh!! mine went to a meet the members in frames! very nice who!'
<who> oooo...so close!
<Sweetcake> Thanks Pattie! We all appreciate it very much!
<Sweetcake> still a few sections that are rather bare.
<Counselor> Yeah, thanks troi..
<who> intro page in main frame is missing
<who> drat
<who> lemme fix it...you can try clicking on a member name while i fiddle
<Sweetcake> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9342/mtmintro.html is missing! I like your background though!
<Troi-> Your welcome Carol.. I will try and find more to post also... on the other topics
<Troi-> Wow Who.. looks pretty good..
<who> just a typo...it will be fixed in a jiffy
<JerseyL> I went in when you said to and thought I must be missing something, but it just reloaded and it looks great.
<Troi-> Who, I love the background of marble.. but maybe you could make the names in the left frame bold to make the text over there easier to read.
<who> there is some fudging yet to do
<who> like...how do i get the borderless borders?
<Troi-> Looks Great Who! You had a pretty good idea.. and nice layout.. :)
<who> and old links have to be taken out of existing pages
<who> and what to do about frameless browsers?
<Counselor> Just make sure you name each frame something somewhat descriptive.
<who> and...i was hoping Paul would be here to work on wording of intro page which should be accessible any moment now
<Sweetcake> maybe the first page someone can choose between frames and no frames?
<Counselor> I've seen such things as main, menu, etc.
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<who> frame names are globe, web1 (existing name), list, and details
<Counselor> Sounds good..
<who> still refreshing typo
<JerseyL> I have to go in a minute, but I have another question for Carol.  Are you there?
<Troi-> Hey.. question... I am going to be buying a flatbed scanner this weekend and still havent decided on one yet.. any suggestions?
<who> did you notice at the bottom the "put your stuff here" and the Guest Star coming soon
<Sweetcake> yes?
<Counselor> I love my HP#C.
<Counselor> 3C that is.
<JerseyL> I went to the robtex page, but how do you download the class file.
<who> My Epson System II works fine and was relatively inexpensive
<Troi-> Works good eh Jeff?
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<Sweetcake> I LOVE my scanner. I have a Mustek MFS-12000SP 30 bit flatbed color scanner and I LOVE it!
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<JerseyL> We just got an HP at school and really like it, don't know the number though.
<Sweetcake> hold on let me check..
<who> still "waiting for reply" again
<Counselor> I don't think HP makes the 3C anymore..they're up to the 4C now I think.
<Troi-> ok.. good suggestions... I have a Mustek Hand held scanner now.. moving up in the world though..hehehehe
<who> i had a girlfriend who was a C or D
<Troi-> oh Who.... tsk tsk....LOL
<who> but i think it was 34
<JerseyL> duh?
<JerseyL> While I'm waiting, Pattie, how do you kick someone out in your universe?
<Counselor> I think you'll really enjoy a flatbed color scanner.
<Troi-> thanks for the suggestion everyone..
<Troi-> LOL Jersey..
<Troi-> umm.. well you know about the kick ban.. so..
<Sweetcake> You click on the get HTML button and in the right hand frame you will see a thing that says click here to d/l the java.class file.
<Troi-> hang on and let me see where you put the message for it again.. BRB
<who> We should decide on which names stay and which names go for the class!
<Counselor> Good point, who...I've not heaerd from anyone this week.
<JerseyL> I see, I didn't go to the Launch page.  Thanks Carol.
<Sweetcake> we have not heard from geetha or Karen for about 4 weeks now I think! 
<who> Also...i have a couple of Qs for the frames?
<Counselor> Sounds about right.
<Sweetcake> your welcome have fun playing with the java machine! It is a lot of fun fooling around with all the settings.
<Sweetcake> We have not heard from Robert in quite a while either.
<Counselor> I really am inclined to think they've given up the class..
<who> I saw Riff Raff on the ICQ tonite..but he is not here?
<Troi-> ok Jersey... go to the PopUp Menus.. (8th button from left on icon bar) click on Nicknames list. then where it says CONTROL.. see the   .kick/kick # $$1    (put your kick message there..
<Troi-> .Kick:/kick # $$1 Maybe in *your* Universe. Not in mine! (this is my kick, ban command)
<Counselor> I wish they'd at least have dropped me a quick note to say they wre done.
<Troi-> .Kick:/kick # $$1 Maybe in *your* Universe. Not in mine! (this is my kick command)
<Sweetcake> I think we are really down to us 5 only. Is Paul back to participating for this weeks lesson?
<who> Q#1: In order to center, size, etc. the gifs globe and Web-O-Crats, I had to build html files ...was there another way to do that for the frames?
<Troi-> I though Karen was in one of last weeks study groups?
<Counselor> Well, he said he would.
<who> Q#2: How do I get rid of the borders around the frames?
<JerseyL> Thanks Pattie, I have to go.  Another minute and I'll fall asleep on my keyboard.  Good night.
<who> JerseyL...please check your mtm page for accuracey and all
<Counselor> 'night JerseyL.
<Troi-> Good Night Jersey.. and Your welcome.. :)
<who> nite JL
<JerseyL> ok steve--meeting next Tuesday right?
<Counselor> Right...next Tuesday.
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<who> turn in time!
<Sweetcake> Forgot about Sasha .. is she still participating? Yes I do think thast Karen participated in the homework before this one. I really think the only person we have not heard from in over 4 weeks is geetha.
<Troi-> well all.. I have to go too..
<Troi-> Night all!.. Sweet dreams and God Bless!
<Troi-> Bye
<Counselor> Ok, Troi...thanks.
Troi- Troi steps into the teleporter, waves goodbye to all her friends. But I'll be back later. GOD Bless!!!
<Sweetcake> night Pattie!
<who> nite T
<Counselor> 'night.
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<who> Troi...check yo
<who> ur page too...please
<who> you guys too
<Counselor> Ok, who...will do.
<who> and watch for the intro frame whenever geo decides to refresh
<Counselor> So, who, is this supposed to replace our current front page?
<Counselor> And, sorry, who, I don't know the answers to your questions.
<Sweetcake> if so how will it be linked to the resource pages and the logs and such and our guestbook and things?
<who> won't replace front page
<Counselor> Yeah, who, you'll need our guestbook and email on the front page.
<who> need to work on front page to make it more entry like
<Sweetcake> I think you did a great job who. It came out very nice!
<Counselor> And my browser test.
<who> things like move logs to separate page...etc
<who> is any of our group on a mac
<who> ?
<Counselor> Nope.
<Sweetcake> definately think the logs need their won page. They are almost taking over the main page!
<who> and c: how does it come out on your set up?
<Counselor> I agree, Carol...Who, I don't know yet.
<Counselor> I haven't looked at it yet.
<who> I also think we should change background on front page if it is to be our front page
<who> brick fence looks great for under construction but we want something more klassy
<Counselor> I've not objection to that, who..just find us a good background.
<Sweetcake> no objections from me either.
<Counselor> Good point..
<Counselor> It also depends on whether I use lynx or MSIE or NS.
<who> try em all ... good to know
<Counselor> I will...I usually do.  :)
<who> i still have to get the color page posted
<who> and want to work on a splash page
<who> and and and
<who> and my personal project
<Counselor> Yes, go on..
<who> and find a job
<who> and tote the barge 
<who> and lift that bail
<Counselor> Y'mean you wanna get paid for this?
<who> i figure if i get bad enuff...people will pay me to not put up pages!
<Sweetcake> he he he
<Counselor> I'll race ya for that one..  :P
<who>  oh...let me find that URL for you now
<Counselor> Well, do either of you hav eopinions of what we should do about the absent members?
<who> I think ultimatums must be drawn...and what has been done so far by each?
<Sweetcake> Not really sure of what to do with them. Maybe make sure where the hw is posted and linked mentioned who did the assignment like for exapmple: Steve's Color Page instead of just Color Page.  And for their Project links just put none submitted. And make sure when sending our HW in to our instructors let them know the people who actually finished the class.
<who> I think it would be fair to have each person respond by the next meeting if they intend to be part of final project
<who> if we don't hear...drop them
<who> if we do hear, decide at that time
<Counselor> I suppose I could do some sort of message like that.  What do you think Carol?
<Sweetcake> Maybe send out an ultimatium to everyone in our group, that if they do not report back to you by the april 8th deadline with their personal project page URL we will drop them from our study group and erase them from our site?
<who> 13i'm not even connecting to geocities now...from Sprynet
<who> thats okay...gives everybody same opportunity...more than fair
<Counselor> That is really odd, who.
<who> except what if somebody like Carol can't get back to us in time?
<Counselor> Honestly, I'm at a loss as to what the best thing to do would be.
<Sweetcake> Jeff what do you think about sending out a note saying that even if they do not have the time to do HW for this week [it it covered anyway I think by the active members] that they must report to you by April 8th with their personal project page URL 
<Sweetcake> phone brb
<who> BTW: Jeff, is it Jef?
<Counselor> It is Jeff.
<Counselor> And, Carol, that seems fair enough.
<Sweetcake> long distance pone cll brb
<Counselor> 'k
<who> don't think i'm gonna get thru to geo in the near future...so frustrating
<Counselor> I don't understand that, who...
<who>  my refresh still says trying to connect
<Counselor> If I've waited that long, I stop it and try it again...sheesh!
<who> think i'll have to bring it down and put it up again
<who> i'm gonna go do my stuff now...think it is all coming together quite nicely
<who> i am anxious to get this page completed
<Counselor> Ok, who, I think I'll get busy myself...
<who> c u later...try to keep in touch before next Tuesday
<Counselor> Don't blame  ya, bye.
<who> chow
<Sweetcake> ok am back.. It was my hubby calling from OK!
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<Sweetcake> Everyone is done for the night?
<who_log> SC: i've got to go...do you have anything for me before then?
<Counselor> Looks like it.
<Sweetcake> nope!
<who_log> Welcome to GeoCities
<who_log>                      Our server didn't like that request...
<who_log> that is what i am getting now...(&$#&%)58
<Sweetcake> I need to go to! Too bed! it's 11 : 40 here!
<Counselor> Good luck, who!
<who_log> gonna log off and on...c u all later
<Sweetcake> bye
<who_log> SC: did you get this whole log...?
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