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<Sweetcake> Hello everyone!
<JerseyL> Some I've read through the years, I got a lot from the Javasoft page.  Also a student of mine gave me a tutorial on Java Script which was helpful.
<Counselor> Howdy Carol
<JerseyL> hi carol
<JerseyL> Do you know what I'm trying to say, who?
<Sweetcake> How is everyone doing?
<Sweetcake> Linda your HW was realy nice!
<Counselor> I'm keeping way busy...how are you doing, Carol?
<Sweetcake> Just fine... the kids go back to school tomorrow!! YEAH!!!! 
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<Counselor> heh
<who> yes...think the one term i was looking for and didn't see was...dynamic...but the general intent was described in there
<Sweetcake> It snowed here last night and this morning! What an April fool's day joke! Snow in April!
<who> tell her linda
<Counselor> Linda had a snow day today.
<who> OUCH...i just saw 2c...my eyes are rolling!
<who> 1,8:)
<Sweetcake> Our school district gave the kids off Monday and Tues because they did not use their 2 snow days this winter! And it snowed today!
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<Counselor> I think vr can't read English...certainly can't ytpe it.
<Sweetcake> What's with this VR person he keeps sending me messages that do not make any sence!
<Counselor> 'course, I guess I can't either...  :P
<Sweetcake> Where did Linda go?
<Counselor> She got logged off
<who> maybe it was something i said?
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<Sweetcake> hopefully she will make it back here.. where is everyone else? Has anyone heard from any of the others?
<Sweetcake> brb the dogs are barking like crazy..
<Counselor> Not Geetha or anyone, I got a couple of messages, including yours Carol, but not from anyone else.
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<JerseyL> Hi I got disconnected
<Counselor> There she is...
<JerseyL> What did I miss?
<who> okay...lemme show you this from Riff Raff
<Counselor> Who answered your question
<JerseyL> What was the answer??
<who> Web Publishing and Color Vision
<who>                                  Web Publishing Series 
<who>                                  ITM Training Team, University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire 
<who> One advantage of publishing on the Web is the availability of many colors and backgrounds. Research suggests, however, that
<who> about 8% of men and about 1% of women have a deficiency of color vision which affects their ability to discern certain colors.
<who> Page designers must, therefore, be aware of color combinations which would make their information inaccessible to a portion of
<who> users. 
<who> Color Vision Basics
<who> not that...uno
<Counselor> He said something about dynamic being the word he was looking for.
<who> You have received a message!
<who> Steve:
<who> I need to drop out completely from the group..I'm very very sorry...things just got so tough for me to catch up, and I'll be weeks trying to do my website and the homework and everything. :(  I'm really sorry...
<who> got that last week...asked him to email the group but haven't heard from him
<Counselor> I wonder why he didn't email me????
<Sweetcake> Has anyone heard from kwhats or kko?
<who> 13As Gertrude Stien said on her death bed: "What was the question?"
<Sweetcake> he did not email me either.. guess he did not email anyone but steve.
<JerseyL> Who--back to dummy computer.  Do you know what I mean?  What is the word I am looking for?
<who> didn't email me...caught me on ICQ
<Sweetcake> terminal?
<JerseyL> What is ICQ?
<who> most often been called an "Internet Appliance"
<JerseyL> don't like it!
<who> Jersey: ICQ is like PowWow or ???
<Sweetcake> sorta like an internet pager thing.. you know when your friends are online and then you can chat with them and stuff.
<who> whatever the Netscape one is
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<crazygirl> hi
<who> lo girl...this is a study group
<who> don'
<JerseyL> thanks
<Sweetcake> sorta like powow but different. noone bothers you unless you want them to add you to their icq so you do not get  bothered by people you do not know. would you like me to send you the info on icq?
<JerseyL> Carol and Jeff, do you know what I mean by dummy computer--no hard drive necessary no programs--just download java applets to do your work.
<crazygirl> hi
<Counselor> How easy/difficult is it to install?
<who> CAUTION: Using ICQ can be dangerous to your spare time.
<Sweetcake> terminal is that the word?
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<Sweetcake> very easy to install..
<Counselor> Actually, Linda, until you told me, no I didn't know what you meant by dummy computer.
<JerseyL> my first thought is no I don't want the info--can't possibly spend more time online--BUT, go ahead send it to me.
<who> btw: anybody wanna try http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9342/index.htm for me?
<Sweetcake> he he know what you mean..
<who> careful...its htm not html
<JerseyL> This is Sun Microsystems vision for the future.
<who> Sweetcake..."Internet Appliance" or "NET TV" is how i've heard it referred to
<Counselor> Ok, next question...how easy/difficult woudl ICQ be to sue from the keyborad?
<JerseyL> Net TV is different.
<Counselor> use from the keyboard...
<who> also...vission of Java is that it can be used for other appliances too...you will be able to write java applets for your toaster
<Counselor> Well, there are going to be some of us who are not going to be willing to give up our "real"pc's.
<Sweetcake> ok who the splash page worked but there is one error I see in <a href="intromem1.html> you forgot to put the last " thing before the bracket.. "intromem1.html">
<who> still working on it
<who> thinking about 2 or 3 layers to current page...like an onion
<JerseyL> who--looks good
<Sweetcake> why would anyone want to do that? to use their computer to make toast?
<who> but that durned color page is bugging me to finish writing
<Counselor> lol
<who> some people insist that's all a computer should be used for!
<JerseyL> It does have a lot of uses, turn off your lights, TV, stereo all from your computer.
<Counselor> Yeah, but I might want to chat from my toaster..
<JerseyL> lol
<Sweetcake> maybe we could d/l virtual food and toast it in a virtual toaster! Would save a lot on the grocery bills!
<who> BTW: Just for everyone's information...i have been engaged as a Web and Documentation consultant with a start company to review their pages and product documentation
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<JerseyL> congratulations]
<who> SC: they do that on the Enterprise don't they?
<JerseyL> 1,8:)
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<Counselor> Congrats who...make sure they're speech friendly!
<who> Oh...forgot about that!
<who> Is that important?
<Sweetcake> that is great who.. did you get my message about the error on the splash page? The link to click on if you get stuck needs a " before the > where you have <a href="intromem1.html>
<who> yes...page is in the works
<JerseyL> Should we post something by Challenge 1--like our log the night we discussed Java?
<Counselor> I think that would be a good idea, JerseyL.
<Sweetcake> I think we should post the log or at least let them know which log to d/l to read about our discussion.. what do you think?
<who> Think that would be sufficient...thats what it asked for
<JerseyL> post the link to the log
<who> might edit it for content before posting tho...if we have the time
<who> think it might be a bit presumptious to ask them to d/l and unzip the log...probably should post unzipped abridged discussion
<who> 13If we find the time!
<Sweetcake> I think your right who..
<Counselor> Yeah, or link to a text version.
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<Troi-> Hi.. Sorry I am late... Got caught up in something.
<JerseyL> Hi Pattie
<Counselor> Howdy Troi.
<who> BTW: First item of business i would like to DECIDE tonight is what to do about "members"
<Sweetcake> even if we do not have the time it would only take a minute to unzip the log and link to the whole thing without editing. does anyone remember what log it was?
<JerseyL> I'll volunteer to do the log part for challenge 1.
<Troi-> Hi Jersey, Counselor, Who and of course.. Carol. :-)
<Sweetcake> Hello Pattie!
<who> I mean maybe we should 4fine those who show up 4LATE!!!
<Counselor> Ok, thanks JerseyL.
<Troi-> Hey... not me who.. I have been to all the meeting except one.. And I let someone know I wasnt coming..
<who> 1,8:)
<Troi-> :-)
<Sweetcake> I think we should send those a note to respond to Jeff by our next study group meeting and if they do not respond we should delete them from our site entirely.
<Counselor> Do *what?*
<who> no i think this group plus Sasha are the active members...am i missing anyone?
<Sweetcake> Pattie.. who was only kidding.. we are discussing those we have not heard from in over a month like kko kwhats geetha riff raff etc.
<JerseyL> riff dropped
<Troi-> :-) Kinda figgured something like that Carol.. :-)
<Sweetcake> Inactive members are Geetha, Karen, Robert, Paul, did I miss anyone? 
<JerseyL> I think we should tell them their names will be deleted by a certain date unless we hear from them and them drop them.
<who> We've done that!
<Counselor> Ok, I could send a not to  those members and request a response by Friday.
<Counselor> note, that is.
<JerseyL> We've already asked for responses and they didn't
<JerseyL> we never told them they would be deleted unless we heard from them
<Troi-> That sounds good to me.. Its not fair for a few to carry those who can't or don't want to do any of the work
<Sweetcake> Sounds good... let them know that we at least need their reply to your note to stay in the group and if they reply we also need their input and url for their project page for the class.
<Counselor> Ok, I agree with JerseyL and all...they've had lots of chances, so Friday should be an adequate cutoff.
<Sweetcake> Jeff when you send the note to the inactive member please send a carbon of the message to the rest of us to read.
<JerseyL> keep it short and simple
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<who> Also, tell them that this may be their final chance before the comet leaves!
<Sweetcake> he he he..
<Counselor> heheheh
<Troi-> Any ideas on how I should handle my project page if Kwhats bows out... after all we were supposed to be working on our project together.
<JerseyL> How much is done on it?
<Troi-> Well, I did all the HTML codeing and setting up of the page.. he just contributed a few stories
<who> T: what exactly was that...the fields of corn...or some such?
<Sweetcake> I say you should edit it and create your site about whatever you wish to say about religion.. is your page hosted at your site or at Robert's?
<Troi-> Sow the Seed.. on Religion
<JerseyL> I agree with Carol
<Troi-> At my site
<who> Yes..i agree
<Counselor> Perhaps you should write him too and ask him..
<who> I have a feeling my "project" will be a bit slim at turn in time
<Troi-> yes.. good idea..
<Sweetcake> You can keep Robert's stories only if you like them and they contribute to what you want to say.. if he drops out you could also delte his stories if you don't want to use them.
<Troi-> thanks counselor for the suggestion.. and thank all of you for your input
<who> i envision minimum of "This page is a splash page that dissolves into the next page"
<Sweetcake> that is OK who as long as you have a URL and a under construction sign I do not think the instructors will mind. 
<Counselor> If you don't hear from him then do as you feel is appropriate.
<who> etc., instead of the actual coding...to start with...then fill in the pages as i can
<Counselor> Oh, before we move on, who should I contact again?
<Troi-> Jersey.. BTW.. I took a look at your Challenge #2 .... it's looking good.. :-)
<JerseyL> thanks Pattie
<JerseyL> Did you see 2c?
<Sweetcake> geetha, paul, karen, robert, sasha
<Troi-> no.. just a and b.. I will take another look if you have c up now
<Counselor> Ok...
<Sweetcake> I liked 2c! your examples were great!
<JerseyL> Paul and riff are the same and who heard that he dropped out.
<who> 2c made my eyes throb!
<JerseyL> LOL
<JerseyL> got your attention??
<Sweetcake> Jeff, send messages to Geetha, Sasha, Paul, Robert & Karen. 
<Sweetcake> Yes it got my attention!
<who> Oh...BTW...CyberCity finally gave me my pages yesterday
<Counselor> Ok, SC..
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<Sweetcake> Are they up yet? They gave me space about 3 days ago and I uploaded a basic dummy page but their site itself is still very basic with no real content.
<Counselor> So, what are you goin g to do with them, who?
<who> 9No one objects to my doing the splash page?
<Troi-> WoW!!! pretty cool Jersey.. Just took a look at C.. :-)
<who> SC: exactly...and no email addy for the webmaster for questions
<Sweetcake> I do not object to anyone who wishes to update or change our site in any way at all.. if you have the time and you want to do the work I say go ahead and do it!
<who> and no utils that i have found yet
<who> but they do support all sorts of cgi ssi java etc
<Counselor> I agree with SC.
<Sweetcake> I may move my personal project page to the cybercities site but am waiting until they get fully back on their feet.. right now the place scares me..
<who> it also seemed really slow to me
<who> and English is definitely a second language at Cybercity
<Troi-> LOL
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<Sweetcake> so I have 5 megs there that I am deafly afraid to use right now... 
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<Troi-> good one Carol..
<Sweetcake> that person got on my last nearve.. has been coming in all night and sending everyone private messages that don't make any sence..
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<Sweetcake> who can you ban his domain name? I do not know how!
<Troi-> yeah I got a stupid moo msg..
<Sweetcake> thanks pattie!
<Troi-> I banned him
<Sweetcake> me too
<Sweetcake> brb
<who> coming in thru classroom
<Sweetcake> ok I'm back..
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<fast> set mode
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<Counselor> Oh, BTW, when I send my note out, I'll copy all of you, so be sure to look at the header so you don't think I'm writing it to you...you'll be in the CC field.
Sweetcake changes topic to "V.U. Class 825 Private study group -- members only please"
<Troi-> ok... thanks Jeff..
<Sweetcake> Thanks Jeff.. will be sure to note that! We will know the letter is not aimed at us who are here..
<JerseyL> Does anyone know where I can get a picture of a school bus--preferably one driving up the Information SuperHighway, but I don't think I can be that picky.
<Troi-> I will be sure to try and get ahold of Kwahts in the meatime about our project page
<Counselor> Ok, Troi.
<Sweetcake> No I don't know about a bus but if I come across one I'll let you know..
<Troi-> hmm.. Jersey.. cant say I have seen one.. try doing a search on Images/vehicles
<who> i will keep my eyes open
<Counselor> We might have a bus in our clipart collection.  If you don't find something let me know and I'l my wife check.
<JerseyL> thanks--good idea Pattie
<Counselor> I'l have my wife chekc, that is.
<who> 4BTW: Nobody sent me any changes for their pages...is everybody totally satisfied???
<JerseyL> totally
<Troi-> I think I am satified with it Who, I will check it out again to make sure thought.. but I think you did a great job.
<who> Linda: thought i might enlarge your photo a little...for balance
<Sweetcake> my page is just fine.. I edited it myself to save you the trouble..
<JerseyL> Fine-but won't it get blurry?
<who> I also want to do away with table on page one so it means adding email addy and home page title to each members pages
<Counselor> I've not look ed at mine yet...is my photo on it?
<Troi-> Oh.. by the way.. I did get my flatbed scanner.. got a Mustek 600IIEP.. I love it.. 
<who> Linda: do you have an icon for your personal project..or is that the bus?
<Sweetcake> yes I think there is a photo of you in a sombrero hat
<Counselor> Ok, thanks...I'll take a look this week.
<who> C: your photo is a bit "informal" but it is okay your Lordship
<JerseyL> An icon???  I wanted to put a bus on just to add a graphic.  Would love to do an animated graphic, but don't have the time.
<who> JL: just an icon for the mtm part about your page...bus would probably be perfect...although the school house that is there is probably okay too
<Counselor> Informal?  Nobody told me I was supposed to wear a tux...
<JerseyL> lol
<who> C: Think i need to spell your name right on your page, and add an icon for your project
<Counselor> Ok, fix it and let me know...  :P
<who> looking for a characature of Mr M'Goo but having no luck...<duck>
Troi- gloats just a little because the Wildcats of the Univ. of Arizona won in the Basketball championship last night.. :-)
<who> seriously .. do you have an icon for your page?
<who> Go 'zona, Go Pac10
<Counselor> Um, no...hadn't thought of that.  Does anyone hav e any idaes?
<Sweetcake> Has anyone visited the competitions pages and projects lately? 
<Troi-> Thanks Who.. :)
<who> no time
<JerseyL> yes--I spent A LOT OF TIME yesterday doing that
<JerseyL> It seems a lot of them are concentrating on their projects and not doing homework.
<Sweetcake> How is the competition looking?
<Troi-> I have visted a few of them.. and a lot seem like they just let them go and didnt do anything on them.. only a few were very extensive
<JerseyL> Many are far behind in their homework
<Counselor> Unless they're working behond the scenes, so to speak.
<Sweetcake> maybe a few of them have almost noone left in their groups to finish the hw.
<Troi-> The Lighthouse has only had their main page up since the beginning.. with no links
<JerseyL> I was trying to get ideas on challenge 2, but very few had it done
<Sweetcake> I think your challenge came out just fine.. I really enjoyed your example page.
<who> How are our links? our resources?  do we need more?
<JerseyL> I found our java link informative
<Troi-> I had to do a lot of looking things up for the terminology challenge.. thank goodness for online PC dictionaries.. :-)
<Counselor> I think Riff was doing challenge 4...if he's dropped out, who wants tot do it?
<who> what is challenge 4?
<Sweetcake> brb
<who> As a group select one of the online Java Script tutorials. This may be either one that
<who>  has been suggested or one you have located on your own. Individually read over it.
<who>  Review what you have learned with your group and discuss what you did or did not
<who>  understand. Using the information you have learned, attempt to write a basic script.
<who> group thingie...i've got one!
<JerseyL> I just got e-mail from Karen (actually to all of us) and she just dropped out!
<Troi-> oh.... :(
<Sweetcake> maybe in responce to my reminder for chat tonight!
<who> i would love to write a script...in fact it writes a sample calculater script
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<Sweetcake> I do not think I know enough to write my own script. That assignment is over my head!
<who> http://www.javasoft.com/nav/read/Tutorial/index.html
<Troi-> over mine too..
<JerseyL> over mine too
<who> java tutorial from the jdk1.1 download site
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<weasel> hello
<who> if it is our only hope i'll give it a shot...know my time is probably no more precious than anybody elses
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<Counselor> Ok, thaks who..if you need I can try to help, but I'm going to be lucky to get #6 done.
<Counselor> And my project.
<Sweetcake> go for it.. I could edit someone else's script and post it but do not think I have the knowledge or capasity to write my own script from scratch yet.
<who> i've got some Qs about "page one", the group page
<Counselor> Ok, go ahead who..
<who> do we want to leave the sound on it? if so, can i move it to the bottom of the page?
<Sweetcake> Who I will try to do some reading and lend a hand if needed, but I will have to start from scratch in the coding department.
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<who> in fact...here is part of a list i'm working on:
<who> list of site changes
<who> 1) splash page to be index.html pointing to renamed intro page
<who> 2) Page one:
<who> move sound to bottom or delete
<who> move logs to separate page
<who> delete announcements cell
<who> reformat resources and demos for more info
<who> remove member list and highlight MTM feature
<who> redistribute rest of page
<who> change background?
<who> 3)MTM pages
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<Sweetcake> Who would you like me to move the logs to a different page and link them to our index.html file for you? Would that help at all?
<who> yes...would help tremendously
<Sweetcake> I like the sound at the bottom.
<who> basically, i'm trying to get the page to load quicker
<Troi-> I kind of like that background of a brick wall.
<Sweetcake> Ok I will make a new page called logs.htm and move all the links to our logs there. I will also move the link to our IRC chat schedule to the top of the new logs page.
<who> i do to, in fact i used it for my very first personal page, i was just trying to make the first page look similiar to the rest of the mtm pages
<who> for consistency...perhaps the log page and homework pages could use the bricks?
<Sweetcake> Pattie I can use the brick wall on the new logs.htm page.. this way we will still have it on our site..
<who> SC: and put a link to the new pages on the orig?
<Counselor> I think we should have a bachground of logs on our logs page...  :P
<Troi-> what were you thinking of as a background to the main page then Who.. I hope not just pink or blue..
<Sweetcake> yes I will also edit our current  index.html file and delete out the references to the old logs and place a link to the new page instead. This way it will be easier for you to convert to what you are working on.
<Sweetcake> do you have a log backgroung Jeff?
<who> dunno...perhaps the marbling or something subtle
<Counselor> No...I just thought it would be ....appropriate.
<Troi-> that sounds good who.. I like the marble look.. :-)
<Counselor> I have a marble background on my main page.
<Sweetcake> I like marble too as long as it is not very dark.. for some reason I like lighter backgrounds over dark backgrounds.
<JerseyL> I tried the marbling on my hw pages and it was too dark for my words to stand out
<JerseyL> I like lighter backgrounds too.
<who> C: problem i had with marble on mtm pages is finding colors for text and links
<JerseyL> I could change my hw pages to brick.  Is brick out or in?
<who> so marble must be light and subtle
<Counselor> Take a look at the marble on my page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2122/
<who> Linda...brick it!
<Troi-> http://leeca8.leeca.ohio.gov/ofcs/ofcs.html...... this site Has a bus graphic Jersey.. (been checking for you in between times.. ;-)
<JerseyL> Thanks Pattie.
<JerseyL> I have to go.  It's almost 11:30 and I have to get up early.  good night
<Counselor> Goodnight
<JerseyL> Have to be to school at 7:10
<Troi-> no problem.. :-)
<Counselor> See ya Friday.
<who> C:
<Troi-> Night Jersey!!!
Troi- says GoodBye JerseyL God Bless!!
<who> quick Q
<Sweetcake> night Linda!
<who> JL: good night
<Counselor> yeah who
<who> keep your feet dry Linda
<who> C: sorry, saw your goodnight and thought you were leaving 
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<Counselor> N...not me...just saying thatto JL.
<who> Is there a way to start music that plays across site
<Counselor> Not that I'm aware of...unless you make the entire site one page.
<Counselor> Or, perhaps with frames.
<who> AND, your marble is so subtle I CAN"T SEE IT?
<who> is there a way to open a new window with a link?
<Sweetcake> Jeff.. you have no marble background on your page..
<Counselor> Do you mean it's not showing up, or is it really that subtle?
<who> no backgroun
<who> d
<Troi-> well all, I gotta get going myself.. I will see you all on Friday I guess.. Take Care and Good Night all..
<Sweetcake> there is nothing in your sorcecode for a background image. just <BODY> nothing else not even a color.. your page is grey
<Sweetcake> Night Pattie!
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<who> No background tag in source
<Counselor> Hmmm...ok, wonder what I did to break it.  Thanks for letting me know.
<who> Is this a case of the Emporer's New Background?
<Sweetcake> you just need to add the source for the background in the <BODY> tag.
<who> only the enlightened and worthy can see it....hehe
<Counselor> Yeah, I had it there once, but I must have deleted it for some reason.
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<Sweetcake> like <BODY background="lbrick.gif"> or whatever your background image is named. Maybe you deleted it by accident or something .
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<Sweetcake> or maybe you did not like it and deleted it
<who> anyway...is there a way to direct a ref to open a new window?
<who> C: did you check out the "site tour" java i sent you?
<Sweetcake> I know it can be done but I do not know how to do it.
<Counselor> Yeah, I've no idea what I did, but I bet you could view the background by going to:  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2122/marble.gif
<who> betcha Java can do it!
<Sweetcake> it frighted me!
<Counselor> No, not yet...
<Sweetcake> I am gonna call it a night and go work on the new log page!!
<who> my idea is to open a separate window in the background for the sound only...
<Counselor> Ok, Carol...I gotta go work on mine too.  Good night all!
<who> then the original window could be surfed and the music would continue to play across new pages
<who> C: tour?
<Sweetcake> night all.
<who> the sony page uses java scripts to open separate windows
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