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<Counselor> Cool!  Yeah, she and I still have contact..we are both Community Leaders in the Enchanted Forest at Geocities.
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<Sweetcake> Hello Pattie & Jeff..
<Troi-> Hi Carol!
<Counselor> Howdy Carol.
<Sweetcake> noone else here yet?
<Troi-> nope..just us mice.. LOL
<Sweetcake> Had busy signals.. that's why I'm late..
<Troi-> ahhh.. :)
<Sweetcake> don't get them very often..
<Counselor> Hmmm...neither do I...  :)
<Sweetcake> Saw Steve's note.. I made a couple of reccomment looks like he did not get to them yet.. if he doesn't I will go ahead and do them myself..
<Counselor> Which note was that?
<Counselor> He never answered me about the Geolinks, either.
<Sweetcake> I recommended that he put a click here to continue on the second splash page there is not one there yet and if you do not click on anything on the 3rd one it takes you straight to the mtm page.. There needs to be a link to our main page frontdoor.html . As it stands now the only way to get to the main page in the mtm is to weed through everything and find the link on his form..
<Troi-> Do you have to have the Geocities logo on every single page.. including the links to homework?
<Sweetcake> I say Jeff that you should go ahead and place the links on all the pages yourself.. he has been busy trying to get everything done and I think he could use the help..
<Counselor> The Geolink must be on any page at Geo...not on pages that reside on other servers.
<Troi-> I bookmarked our main page.. Saw the splash pages already and didnt want to go through it all the time..sometimes they hung up
<Sweetcake> according to the rules it is the only requirement to use their server space is to provide some sort of link back to geocities.. even a text only link would fufill this obligation..
<Troi-> ahh.. so I guess I should go to some of the pages I put on the Geolinks server and put the geocities logo on them.. 
<Counselor> Ok, if everyone is done updating their pages, I'll go in and put the link in.
<Troi-> I think I only have 1 or 2 pages on the server
<Sweetcake> only need to place a link to geocities homepage if the hw page is on the geo server.. not if it is hosted at you own site..
<Counselor> I'm talking about the mtm pages.
<Counselor> Ok, Troi, that would help...you can get the preferred code from our front door page.
<Counselor> It can be placed at the bottom of the page.
<Sweetcake> yes they need a link back to geocities and so does the first page that comes up when you go to the frames mtm thing.. the explanitation page..
<Troi-> ok.. will do..
<Counselor> Yeah, and I agree SC, shouldn't that last push page go to our front door instead of the mtm page?
<Sweetcake> After this study group I will place a click through on the second page to go to the 3rd page in case someone gets stuck and also will place a click here to go to our main page on the mtm page where everyones name is listed on the left.
<Sweetcake> I would think so but in any case there should be a click to the main page on the mtm page thing in any case to insure someone who is in there has a way to get out easily without having to look through all the pages to get back don't you agree?
<Counselor> Definitely!~
<Troi-> Yes. I agree
<Sweetcake> Jeff I did also notice that you placed your project link on your mtm page.. you also need to place the link on the frontdor.html page also where your name is listed on the left..
<Counselor> Ok...are you going to be updating that page?
<Sweetcake> no just the second splash page and the mtm list page that shows up on the left when you go into frames..
<Counselor> Ok, then I'll take care of the front dor page.
<Sweetcake> did steve ever put up his hw from week 3? The one about the netscape pallet thing?
<Counselor> I haven't looked for it.
<Counselor> I was hoping he'd be here to tell us.
<Sweetcake> I think it is the only hw missing.. but I have not checked it today to see if the text was posted for it yet..
<Troi-> I will check it out.
<Counselor> Maybe that's what he's doing right now...  :)
<Troi-> I wonder where Lexa and Jersey are?
<Counselor> Yeah, I sorta thought we might have a better turnout tonight...
<Sweetcake> I was also thinking of makeing a few adjustments to the homework links like adding all steves work to our hw lists like his frames page [ a link on the assignment about frames] a link to his form on the cgi forms assignment a link to his splash thing on the push page assignment . What do you think?
<Sweetcake> and Robert?
<Troi-> yeah..
<Counselor> Good idea, SC.
<Troi-> I just checked out the palette page.. says it was updated April 4 97 but still dosent have all the info on it.
<Troi-> Good idea Carol..
<Sweetcake> can you think of anything else we have done at our site that can be linked on the hw 
<Sweetcake> It was updated on the 4th by me when I added the link back to the hw links page not by steve!
<Counselor> Hmmm...not that isn't already...
<Troi-> What about the all the tables we have.. some of those can be linked to the table assignment
<Troi-> ahh.. I see carol..
<Troi-> Then Steve hasn't updated it yet.
<Sweetcake> good idea.. I could place a link on the tables thing to go to our irc chat schedule!
<Sweetcake> and our main page!
<Troi-> Yup.. :)
<Troi-> and for the sound.. you could link to the main page 
<Counselor> Oh, btw, according to the assignment, the browser check is supposed to be on the first page.  WWhere do y'all think it should go?  Stay where it is or move up?
<Troi-> I think the browser thing is great where it is..
<Sweetcake> stay where it is as the frontdor.html is really the main or core page of our site..
<Sweetcake> who is here hold on one sec..
<Counselor> Ok, we'll leave it then...
<Sweetcake> steve is in icq chat.. will brb
<Counselor> 'K, why isn't he here?
<Sweetcake> he said he is trying to get in right now.. he just logged on..
<Counselor> ah...
<Troi-> Here he is.. 
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<who> I MADE IT!
<Sweetcake> welcome who!!
Troi- sets mode: +o who
<Counselor> Howdy who
<Troi-> Hi Steve!!!!
<who> sorry i'm late
<Sweetcake> that's ok.. we were discussing the minor changes that have to be made to our site..
<who> i have a list too
<who> what have you come up with so far
<Counselor> Hey, who, I see my suggestion about putting the music in its own frame worked...that's what you wanted isn't it?
<who> yes
<who> and no
<Counselor> Huh?
<who> would like to have a mechanism to turn off music without being that "ugly" control panel
<who> not that its ugly...just obtrusive
<Sweetcake> well the ones I told you about.. the second splash page needs a click here to get to the 3rd page in case someone gets stuck and the mtm thing needs a click here to get to main page in case they want to get out of the frames easily, jeff is going to link his project on out frontdor.html & make sure there is a reference back to geo on all the mtm pages..
<who> but it certainly allows the music to play while someone surfs all the members
<Counselor> Yeah, I've always thought there should be a nicer looking control panel...actually there is a smaller one that looks better.
<who> roger that sc
<Sweetcake> what about the small console command?
<who> ?
<who> not familiar with that
<Sweetcake> hold on let me see if I can get the command for you..
<who> or point me
<Counselor> If she cant' find it, I'll get it for you later...
<who> Counselor: there is a definite problem with the panel in MSIE...it only fills a portion of the box it displays????
<Troi-> OH... I like the way Net Genii has the frames on there front page.. (have been checking out the other groups during the meeting)
<who> i will check that out BUT what about non-frame browsers...our problem too!
<Troi-> hmm.. they have a smaller sound control panel too.
<who> i think Java is my answer for a couple of things i would like to get into our site
<Counselor> Hmmm...I think I noticed that about MSIE, who...and read me project page concerning text based browsers and frames.  ;)
<Counselor> Java is a problem for text browsers.
<who> #1 i would like to combine the mema and memb by having intro paragraph just fade in on mema, not link to memb
<who> oh
<who> never mind
<who> 1,8:)
<who> yes...my list is
<Counselor> Well, as long as you account for that who...  ;)
<Counselor> Remember, frames are viewed one at a time in a text browser.
<who> 1) what to do about browsers that don't do frames (or java)
<who> is there a way to turn frames off in NS to use it as if it didn't support them?
<Counselor> Hmmm...I'm not sure about that.
<who> or would one of the validation sites do that?
<Counselor> That might be your best bet...
<Counselor> Just validate for a lower version of html
<who> 2) combine intromema and intromemb using java
<Counselor> Hmmm...what do you mean?
<who> 3) frontdor...change file name(?), add Jeff's project page (done?), change table layout to be more descriptive, fix guest book gif (should be animated)
<who> c: (2) is not urgent...just want the text to "fade" in, instead of reloading next page
<Troi-> On the Pagemonsters page.. they have a  Frame/ No Frame thing.. I looked at the source code, and it is written there.
<Counselor> If you're going to change the frontdoor let me know so I don't step on your changes.
<who> okay
<who> not really urgent but i think i read somewhere that the naming of the files should be intuitive and we should watch'em
<Sweetcake> <EMBED src="music.wav" autostart="true" loop="true" volume="100" controls="smallconsole">
<Sweetcake> was hard to find in all this mess over her.. sorry it took so long..
<who> SC: what exactly does it do?
<Sweetcake> makes a little rectangle with an on and an off I believe..
<Counselor> It puts up a smaller control panel....you can't adjust volume on it.
<Sweetcake> just has an on and an off... it's very small.
<Counselor> But, it's better than nothing...  ;)
<who> i'll check into it...by the way...we use a lot of VikiMouse logos...do all the pages that use the logo actually use her stuff...could we put it somewhere once only?
<Troi-> Interesting... The Prometheus Group has really cut themselves off from a lot of visitors.. They say on the front page.. If you don't have Java you won't be able to navigate our site.. Sorry..
<Sweetcake> don't change the frontdor.html file name!!! It would mean changing a whole lot of links that are referring back to it!!!
<who> SC: if that is true /on/off/ that would be fine
<who> SC: okay i won't
<Sweetcake> jeff added his project page to the mtm page and he will add it to our frontdoor.html file..
<Counselor> I've seen some sites which have a credits page.
<Counselor> We could do something like that and give credit to Vikimouse and whoever else...
<who> 4) resource pages (various) if we have time might we want to group or alphabetize or links
<Sweetcake> I already fixed the guestbook gif.. if it is still not animated on your end try flushing out your cache.. it is animated right now for me..
<who> C: I think that would be a great idea...if we have more than 3 credits....we could put our awards there too
<who> SC: gr8
<Counselor> We could even credit our past members there..  ;)
<Troi-> YEs..I agree Jeff. :)
<who> noticed some buttons (front back etc) were different on different pages...is that a problem? these are really "construction zone" pages anyway
<Sweetcake> who has time for all this? Isn't our new classes suppose to start this week?
<who> I do?  
<Troi-> New Classes start on the !4th..
<Troi-> 14th that is.. :)
<who> yes...just suggestions...and i am working on some or all ... but my first concern is the color page which is not loading
<Sweetcake> oh good .. gives me a few more day! whew!!!
<who> but will be there SOON
<Sweetcake> what color page?
<who> Challenge 2 or 4 or ?
<Sweetcake> you u/l your hw?
<who> week 3...
<who> mostly server problems
<Sweetcake> maybe it is the filename did you check to see if in the geo dir maybe one is .htm & the other is .html or it is capitialized filename or something?
<who> i got some pages loaded to my personal account today...will go back to woc and try again later tonight
<who> my biggest problem has been with Geo editor and with my NS "bombing" in the middle of work...fatal errors
<Sweetcake> Jeff to turn our site in what do you have to do just email both instructors an email or something?
<Counselor> Yes, Carol...and I'll cc everyone else.
<Sweetcake> may be easier to work offline and then just upload..
<Sweetcake> ok thanks..
<who> 5) On our sound page...why do we focus only on MIDI?  Are we lacking something here?
<Counselor> When do y'all think I should do that?  Is it ready?
<Counselor> WAV's are too big and we haven't any RealAudio.
<Sweetcake> the sound page that jeff did compared midi and wavs.. remember he has that big 500k wav file and compared it to another file?
<who> C: speaking with Ghatten you can notify her at any time...they probably won't start looking at them until after this weekend
<who> C: I'm just talking about links or discussions
<Counselor> Ok, I agree..it is close enough...we can always do some touch up work.
<Sweetcake> I say we can send it in.. all changes we kmake will be small ones and we can do them in the next 24 hours to get it up to snuff.. I say anytime after tomorrow would be fine..
<Troi-> I agree
<Sweetcake> I think most of the links are for midi because that is what most people use on their pages because the filesize is so much smaller in comparison to wav files..
<who> 6) TABLES...book icons are sometimes above, sometimes below page title
<Counselor> Ok, will do...
<who> don't know what that means...i'm reading from a hand scribbled list
<who> think that last one is comparing all our differnt resource pages
<Sweetcake> I made all the pages myself sometimes in the wee hours of the morning just so something would be up too tired at the time to think of making exact clone pages..
<who> 7) Java page...does it tell peeps where to get Java?  JDK page...etc?
<Sweetcake> where to get java is or should be on the resource pages..
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<who> demo pages seemed to link to a page that was just a link to the demos
Troi- sets mode: +o Sweetcake
<Sweetcake> thanks pattie..
<Counselor> Well, if we have a non-functional page, let's dump it.
<who> 9) NOTE: Link to class#825 is no longer valid...though it might stay there for historical purposes
<Sweetcake> what page is getting dumped?
<Troi-> :)
<who> SC: demo pages seemed to link to a page that was just a link to the demos
<who> various ones
<Sweetcake> what page is getting dumped? I got dumped so do not know what your talking about?
<Troi-> I think it is supposed to be that way Who..
<Sweetcake> So your going to dump the page that has the links to the demo pages and move all the weeks back to the main page again?
<Troi-> To get all the stuff off the main page
<Counselor> Oh, if that's what who means I think it should stay the way it is now.
<who> No
<Sweetcake> which page then?
<Counselor> Guess we're not seeing it who...
<who> okay
<Sweetcake> frontdor.html links to the hw directory of all weeks which in turn links to each weeks and then goes to each individual assignment and they all link back to the page the link came from.
<who> Chapter 6...transparent GIFs i could No connection message last night
<Sweetcake> each individual assignment links back to it corresponding weeks link which links back to the page of all weeks which links back to our frontdor.html file.
<who> brb...got a phone call
<Counselor> Well, Troi, how do you think our pages compares to the others in the class?
<Troi-> I just brought up the transparent gifs homework page.. came up fine
<Troi-> I think we are doing pretty good.. Quite a few seems to have just abandoned their projects. and then, some other are as extensive as ours.
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<Sweetcake> There is also a transparent text gif on my border page.. it is where I put all my graphics that I have tried to creat during this class..
<Troi-> I have to admit, some of their pages look more professional than our, but I think it may be becasue of the subjects they are dealing with on there pages
<Counselor> I'd like to put some graphics on my project page if someone could help me find/create some...  :)
<Sweetcake> what kind of graphics are you looking for?
<Counselor> I'd like an icon for each heading...I thught of something like a picture frame for frames, a map for image maps, someone pushing someone else for pushes, etc.
<Sweetcake> I am very new at graphics, but can creat simple text graphics or do simple edits on graphics.
<Sweetcake> not good at creating real graphics but after next semesters class maybe I will be..
<Counselor> ;)
<Troi-> hmm.. I ran across a site with frames before.. let me see it I can find it.
<Sweetcake> anything else we have to discuss?
<Sweetcake> was it one of our competitors?
<Counselor> Well, do we want to arrange another meeting?
<who> wait
<who> Q:
<Troi-> no.. it was a real estate home page.. the homes were in picture frames.
<who> on my machine the frames with border looked exactly like the frames without borders...is this a fact?
<Counselor> Don't know, who..
<who> Caswk6 vs. caswk6s
<Sweetcake> maybe we can do the rest by email?
<who> caswk6 v. caswk6a
<Sweetcake> tables?
<Counselor> What's *that* who?
<who> Back button is not the same on the two pages
<Sweetcake> not frames! They are suppose to look exactly the same .. that was the assignment!
<who> you need a <BR CLEAR=ALL> tag on one of them
<Sweetcake> the back buttons are different?
<Sweetcake> never used br clear=all before.. would not know where to put it.. can you fix it?
<who> i can try
<Sweetcake> I'd appreciate it very much..
<Counselor> I use it all the time...   :)
<who> also...frames looked exactly the same with and without borders...that didn't seem right to me
<Counselor> I seem to recall something about only one browser supporting the border attribute perhaps?
<who> I am going to change the cgi questions to be more appropriate to non-students
<who> and to look better
<who> where should the forms be sent?
<Sweetcake> probably MSIE supporst it and netscape does not..
<Counselor> I think that's right, SC.
<Counselor> What od you need fixed SC?
<Sweetcake> great and I am going to post a link to your form and your mtm in frames to our hw assignments!!! and your push page to our hw assignmnets also!!
<Counselor> do, that is.
<Sweetcake> who said my assignment about graphics looking the same with and without tables on one page the back button needs a bre clear or something..
<Troi-> Well, If that is about it, I need to go..
<Sweetcake> nite pattie..
<Troi-> Night.. Talk to you all soon..(I guess through email and ICQ).. bye for now
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<Counselor> Ok, I see...
<Sweetcake> Steve I do not see any proble with the forms output being sent to you at all..
<Counselor> Well, I'll make sure all the pages on Geo have links and I'll put my project link on the front door.  I'll also email the instructors.  Anyething else?
<Sweetcake> nope..
<who> thank you
<Sweetcake> I am going to go and post all your work to the home work links steve.. like your form, push page, frames thing etc.. ok?
<Counselor> Yes, who, you can mail the forms to youreself if you want...or I'll hhkae them if you don't want them.
<who> challenge 6:4
<who> Carol's push page is now actually group push page
<Sweetcake> what is challenge 6 number 4?
<who> Push page
<Sweetcake> I am going to put you push page exapple above mine.. I do not think the instructors will mind more than one example of an assignment..
<who> 8:1 chat log link didn't work for me
<who> SC: maybe show both...but your link goes to group push now
<Counselor> Where's the log located?
<Sweetcake> it worked for me the other day.. but I will check it.. it if will not work I will place the .txt file on an .htm file with preformatted text ok?
<Sweetcake> where did my page go? did you delete it?
<who> Jeff do you have an icon
<who> ?
<who> I haven't deleted anything
<Counselor> What sort of icon?
<who> for your project page
<Sweetcake> ok so it is still there you just changed where the link went to.. ok..
<who> instead of little school house
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<Counselor> Oh...I remember..where does this go?
<Sweetcake> ok I have some work to do so I will leave you guys..
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<Sweetcake> bye..
<Counselor> bye carol
<who> Notieced Sasha has new project
<who> put up
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