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DownEast announces that he knows EXACTLY what song was written you leapin in mind, but he'll NEVER tell.

(Leapin) :o never?

(DownEast) lol

(Leapin) hahaha

(ramona) what about on the window where i paged you

(anne) uh oh, i am lagging big time ;(

(anne) hi ingo

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(DownEast) 4LEAPIN: The time flew all too fast, we'll have to do it again!

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(Leapin) DE for sure, this time we will both have to alot more time

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(anne) wv lady

(anne) b

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(who) Is that seat taken?

(Lady) Hi Who!

(anne) hi who

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ramona says howdy to all

(who) howdy back atcha

(Lady_Cass) Ah I just logged on with MIRC

(anne) katt, did you figure out how to turn on your log yet

(TXJune) Hi who

(who) 'lo all

(Katt) anne.. no i havent. and i know it cant be that hard!!!

(Katt) hey Who :)

(ramona) anne can you tell me

(anne) you have an older version of mirc, but see if you can find something in the top of your mirc menu, then look for File/Options

(anne) there is a tab for logging, check the two boxes to log the channel and private messages

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(Elaine) made it

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(Elaine) greetings everyone from the Lodge Builders

(anne) the directory path at the bottom can be changed if you want to create a separate directory for logs so could be set to mirc/logs

(anne) hi elaine

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(anne) hi OW

(ramona) so does it only log the channel that is one

(TXJune) {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{OutWest}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

(Elaine) is the class meeting here tonight or not?

Leapin sets mode: +o OutWest 

(anne) or if you are on two channels at once, will log both

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OutWest sez hallo toeveryone!!

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(anne) you will find it with a text editor or write, #room825

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(anne) you cannot look view the log from that menu while you are on the channel

(Leapin) OutWest look what I did

(anne) hi troi

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(Katt) sorry.. i lost connection here :)

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(Katt) I may have it this time anne.. I hope

(Troi-) Hi all!

Kwahts grins "showoff!"

(OutWest) aahh hah leapin magnificento

(anne) cross your fingers and toes

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(OutWest) hi ya DE!!

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(Ghatten) Hi ya'll

(Elaine) hi Ghatten :-)))))

(anne) wb G

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(Ghatten) Hello again Elaine

(Cat^) Hi all

(TXJune) {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Ghatten WB}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

(Katt) hiya Ghatten

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(Ghatten) Hmmm Two different cats in here! LOL

TXJune takes her seat

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ramona takes a seat next to katt if she doesn't mined

OutWest takes his seat!!

Leapin grabs the seat from TX  and sits

(Troi-) LOL

(Leapin) hehe

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who shoots spitwads at Leapin

(Ghatten) LEAPIN! You can't sit!! LOL

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(Katt) not at all ramona.. i need all the support I can get here!

Leapin offers everyone some 8(1,8m8)1,0 9(1,9m9)1,0 3(1,3m3)1,0 8(1,8m8)1,0 4(1,4m4)1'S

(TXJune) Hey Leapin

OutWest 'll never tell LOL

(Leapin) lol

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Leapin Throws the worlds BIGGEST SNOWBALL at who ------=======ooooooooOOOOOOO( )

(Ghatten) In case you have not guessed by now folks we are NOT a very reverant bunch.  VEEERRY informal.

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(Elaine) hehehehehee

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(Ghatten) Hey Riff  know the the Time Warp?

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(RiffRaff) ghatten: comedian. :P 

RiffRaff winks.

(Lady_Cass) How do you enable ANSI in mirc?

(Jube) hi all :)

who steps to the right

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ramona ducks behind kat and throws one back at Leapin

(anne) hi to all the new arrivals ;)

(Ghatten) Hi ALL

(TXJune) hi BEV

(Katt) lol

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(ramona) Jim is that you?

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(OutWest) DownEast dips Leapins pigtails in the ink well LOL

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(OutWest) Hi Gotham!!!

(RiffRaff) June..see ya in an hour! :)

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Leapin throws a snowball at OutWest .... :)

(Ghatten) This class is very baddddd tonight

(gotham) Hi OutWest - no email till tomorrow

Ghatten sets mode: +o gotham 

Leapin Throws the worlds BIGGEST SNOWBALL at OutWest ------=======ooooooooOOOOOOO( )

(TXJune) OK Riff

(Elaine) LOL ghatten

(Jim) ramona: Nope, not me

(anne) gotham, you must be frustrated without email ;(

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(ramona) thanks

(RiffRaff) hey, ya'll be good and listen to teacher! Carry on, girls!

(gotham) yes, till tomorrow

(Katt) lol Jim

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(OutWest) Gotham--- I am still trying to reconstruct my e-mail

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(Ghatten) In case I get disconnected again!  Thanks for coming!

(TXJune) It's 80 degrees in TX; don't throw snow here

(who) lotsa hot air in texas!!!!

(Troi-) LOL.. about the same in AZ..:)

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gotham will send stuff to OutWest when mine opens up again

(RiffRaff) uhoh..how do i log this again? :)

(TXJune) I agree

(HotWheels) Hard to connect to servers tonite

(TXJune) LOL

RiffRaff blushes.

(gotham) LOL who

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(rakam) The class is supposed start now, isn't it?

(Jim) Katt, Hi

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(RiffRaff) June! help!

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(RiffRaff) How do I log?? :)

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(anne) riff raff go to mirc menu at top, select File/Options then check the boxes to enable the logging for the channel

(Katt) Hi Jim

(rakam) Opps, hello good morning everybody..

(Katt) heheheh

(Ghatten) yes

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(Katt) Jim.. are you Jim T?

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(anne) there is a tab for logging in file/options

(RiffRaff) ok, i clicked logging.

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(RiffRaff) room825.

(RiffRaff) then wot?

(Jim) Katt: Nope, not that Jim either

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(OutWest) Gotham--- I'm in a mess w/o my e-mail files !!!LOL

(Katt) Thanks Jim whoeveryouare :)

(Cat^) Hi, Tom!

(tommy) hi everyone!

(rakam) who wishes to talk to me? I new to use mIRC...

(anne) just check the boxes on the left under Automatic Logging

(Jim) Katt:  Good to know we come in many flavors, yes?

(RiffRaff) oh!

Ghatten changes topic to "Class is Starting.  We will moderate."

(rakam) hello

(Katt) a variety of Jims is always nice LOL

(rakam) something wrong

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(Ghatten) nada wrong so far

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Leapin says PLEASE READ!!!  It has come to our attention that a few people are confused about what direction this course is going to take, ghatten and myself wish to go over the focus of the course to night and allow all of you the opportunity to ask questions pertaining to the same

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Leapin sets mode: +o August 

Leapin says PLEASE READ!!!  It has come to our attention that a few people are confused about what direction this course is going to take, ghatten and myself wish to go over the focus of the course to night and allow all of you the opportunity to ask questions pertaining to the same

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Leapin sets mode: -m 

(Ghatten) We are going to try it without moderating for a while

(Lainer) ok

(Ghatten) Please try to keep the chit chat low....LOL

(Leapin) as you have already noted, no doubt, the course is very group oriented

(Katt) like we dont really need moderating.. yeah right!!

Ghatten changes topic to "Class has started. Leapin has the floor!"

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(Leapin) a person could probably complete the course on their own, but we doubt they would derive the same benefits

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(Leapin) what we hope to see happen, and clearly have seen happening already!! is the forming of strong groups that will work and learn together

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(flamingo) thanks ghatten

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(Leapin) there will be no easily memorized handouts like other courses, but rather suggested group reading, and pointers to tutorials etc..

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(Leapin) it is hoped that each group will work together to ensure that every member has a solid understanding of each unit before moving on

Leapin sets mode: +o Shaddrack 

(Leapin) we do realize that some people will no doubt, and already have dropped out, the strong, or those willing to face the "real challenge will stay

(Shaddrack) Hi leapin and Danita and all

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(Lainer) hi Shad

(himmy) hi shad

(Shaddrack) Hi Lainer

(Leapin) it is far better that a group have 5 strong and willing members, then 15 who are not very dedicated to eachother

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Leapin sets mode: -o Shaddrack 

(Danita) Hi Shaddrack!

(Leapin) oops shorry shaddrack had you mixed up with out shaddrack

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(Leapin) what we have seen so far is a great effort toward teamwork, and trying to overcome the hardest part...the forming and shaping of strong groups

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(Leapin) you are actually further ahead then we expected at this time

(Kim) If one person wants to learn java and cgi, and they are in the coding group and have questions, who do we go to?

(Leapin) hmm is anyone in the coding group here?

(Leapin) other then yourself?

(Kelly) Good Evening all :):)

(Lady_Cass) I have tried to do java, don't do too well with it

(Shaddrack) Hi Kelly

(Leapin) LC is anyone in your group good at java?

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(Kelly) Hi There Shaddrack :-)

(Lady_Cass) I don't know

(Lainer) so we are allowed smaller groups now?

(Leapin) LC could you ask the members?

(Lady_Cass) Nobody has said anything about it

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(Grosbeak) Kim, I'm in your coding group and can answer some ?

(Leapin) and indicate that you are having trouble in that area?

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(Lady_Cass) Is anybody part of my group who I'm not recognizing (like the new members?)

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(Kim) Ok, thanks Leapin, I missed the first meeting, so I will be at the next 

(Leapin) ghatten and myself were planning on putting together some stuff to help everyone through the java section, but having group members helping would be more beneficial

(Ghatten) And more practical as well

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(Leapin) true more immediate response etc..

(Kim) I was more or less wondering, if the whole group were stuck, would searching on the web be our resource or would we go to the instructors?

(Lainer) anyone here from LodgeBuilders, we will meet on powwow again at 10 for anyone that can make it

(Ghatten) You could and should do both Kim

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(Dave_J) I think that having something in addition to what the members of a group can get together would also be beneficial, Leapin.

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(Leapin) kim we could in that instance probably arrange for a cross group meeting, where java would be the main focus

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(Kim) Possibly a written info sheet attached to the weekly class assignment 

(Cat^) PageBusters PowWow will be open after this meeting as well.

(Leapin) Dave your point is well noted, and we will be putting a resource list together with each unit

(Ghatten) That is one reason why we encourage you to make you meeting logs public for others in the class, as well as your group to benefit from.

(Lady_Cass) Well I could volunteer to do java with help.  I've never had a live person help me learn it

(Kim) That would be a good idea Leapin. Because it is a concept hard to grasp

(gotham) cross group meeting sounds like great idea

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(Dave_J) Great!  My reason for mentioning that is that it would be good for fallback if/when all group members are unable to meet at the same time.  This way, at least SOMETHING is available to everyone.

(Ghatten) Has anyone received the second lesson yet?

(gotham) and java is unusually hard

(Leapin) LC we will note that offer, I know there are several who are good with java and cgi that may be willing to assist in helping in a cross group session

(Suz) I agree too

(Lainer) no

(who) NO

(TXJune) NO

(anne) not here either

(Katt) nope

(ll2e) nope

(himmy) no 

(Cat^) no

(Ed) no

(tommy) PageBusters has our meeting logs available to anyone at http://www.pcez.com/~tom/log.htm

(Suz) No

(Ghatten) Just wondering.  I can assume that VU has not sent it yet.

(Kim) no the 2nd assignment should show up tommorrow, tuesday the latest

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(Suz) PageMonsters also has logs posted

(Kim) hi kissfan

(Leapin) Dave yes I agree and you will not in the lesson coming out Monday that there is a long long list of resources

(gotham) oh, good idea to post it to web page

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(Dave_J) Excellent (especially since I have NO experience in Java or CGI at this point.)

(Ghatten) Posting that logs of your group meetings will help others benefit from what your group discussed.

(Lady_Cass) It's better to learn from a person

(Leapin) ghatten and I will put together a resource listing of all the group pages, and then have it emailed to each of you

(gotham) I agree, Lady Cass

(Shaddrack) great

(Leapin) that way you can all go around looking at the other groups logs

(who) Q:

(Leapin) and finding answers 

(Kim) yes, I agree with lady_cass, you can read and try something on your own, but it is better with others

(Leapin) who yes?

(Ghatten) If your group has not submitted the first assignment please do so by tomorrow at the latest.

(who) How many groups are there?

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(Tatyana) a problem with cgi is that where you have your web page, they may not allow you to use their cgi bin directory

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(KISSfan) Ghatten:  You'll be receiving an e-mail from our group, shortly, that includes all of the details on where you can locate our pertinent information--including logs and this week's assignment!

(Ghatten) we have 11 submissions but I know of at least 5 other "groups" who have not responsed yet.

(Leapin) who I do not know for sure, but I am guessing around 15 - 20

(KISSfan) Leapin:  You'll receive a copy, too...didn't mean to leave you out!

(who) OK...so as i understand

(Leapin) and then some individuals who are working on their own

(who) in two weeks there will be 15 - 20 tutorials on java?

(Leapin) Kissfan, good because both of us are marking them lol

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(who) or whichever week 2 is

(Ghatten) More or less. There would be the groups resources for you.  There would be what info they gathered and learned.

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(Ghatten) Java is not next LOL

(Leapin) who you asked how many groups there were, not how many tutorials :P

Leapin Throws the worlds BIGGEST SNOWBALL at who ------=======ooooooooOOOOOOO( )

(Leapin) hee

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(who) that is what i am trying to decipher

gotham says there goes that hairy frog again

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(who) when i read the class outline

(Leapin) okay does anyone else have any concerns about the focus of the course?

(Leapin) lol gotham :)

(Ghatten) There will be the results of what you would do as a group.

(who) it sounded like each group would write a tutorial each section

(Kim) did you know that x-files is on here on the east coast, I am dedicated to the class and taping the show

(Ghatten) That may consist of a tutorial on the subject who

(TXJune) me too Kim

(Leapin) who no, the tutorial was just an example of what a contribution to the web community would be like

(Kim) Its going to be a good one

(Ghatten) In some cases it will be 

(tommy) What exactly will this class cover?

(KISSfan) Kim:  No taping of X-files here...I'm listening through the heating vent, though!

who sits down and mumbles to himself

(Leapin) something that many others outside your immediate family and friends could benefit from

(anne) it would be nice to know the order of what will be covered too

(gotham) I agree Anne

(Kim) but from the scenes, you must watch it, I keep saying either get me a tv at the computer, or we are moving them back into the living room

(Ed) What are we going to get with the handouts?  Also agree with Anne

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(Ghatten) Comment noted regarding the order.  

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(Leapin) tommy everything mentioned in the course outline, java java script cgi forms tables graphics imagemaps , but more importantly the team approach to learning

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(Kim) Possibly, the instructors could give a list of URL's and everyone could search for themselves?

(Ghatten) I have something important to say

(Ghatten) I don't want anyone to misunderstand.

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(GoGators) Hi!

(Ghatten) This class will hopefully show you how to work as a group and to locate resources to learn about various topics

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Leapin sets mode: +o Greycell 

(Leapin) is my screen frozen?

(gotham) no

(Leapin) lol

(TXJune) no

(Ghatten) But I don't think there is a realistic chance of LEARNiNG something like Java in this class.  Learning ABOUT java, how to use it, what it is , if you should use it and to UNDERSTAND what it is....if you are inspired to LEARN it and can, then that is great

(Leapin) quit in here hehe

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(nokk) afternoon all

(TXJune) whew; don't want to learn Java yet; just insert java applets. LOL

(karen) So the main thrust is to be the working together over the web? And the tools (Java, cgi, et. al.) are Secondary?

(Ed) But, the projects/topics sounded like there had to be come specific action and result from the group

(Troi-) So this is more like a team building excersise, with a common goal of learning more about web design then eh?

(Connie) The team stuff is a real challenge for the Emailers.

(Leapin) yes Troi more or less

(Ghatten) Yes the main thrust is to make the GROUP page

(Leapin) there is a duel purpose

(Connie) Everything is so slow by email.

(ramona) will there be more detailed class' in the future?

(Ghatten) But believe me YOU can and will learn a lot IF  you master that

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(karen) I find it a bit hard to believe that we can actually achieve much with the tools without SOME teaching?! Or is that what the resources supposed to provide?

(Leapin) anyone can learn html etc, it is fairly easy, but not anyone can share that knowledge, or listen to others to learn that knowledge

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(Ghatten) Because the rest will follow.....

(gotham) what gives is what it means

(Ed) Sharing is fine, but in a group, the dynamics and communication so far has been difficult, especially getting all group members together

(Ghatten) We will not leave you totally alone in the dark.  The lesson next up cover grapihcs!

(Leapin) karen the resources will give you the theory, the group will give you the strenght to carry on, and learn things that no book will ever teach you

(TXJune) Yeah!!!!!!!!Graphics!!!!!!!!

(karen) Now what I'm hearing is about 5 hours/week in team work, 2 hours/week in class, PLUS whatever it takes to learn a little about the topics!?

(Lady_Cass) My favorites :)

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(Ghatten) In the lesson we set forth challenges to the groups

(Ghatten) We give direction and suggestion on discussion

(Ghatten) We offer resources 

(Ghatten) And we hope that your group will take it from there

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(Greycell) but at least there are books out on the web, such as, mcmillans guide to html survival

(Leapin) karen if you think that to be the case, the course outline did say expect to spend 5-7 hours a week

(Leapin) so it should come as no surprise

flamingo says that ghatten and leapin are facilitators... the best kind of teachers!

(TXJune) Hardest part is getting your group to agree on a topic; then it get fun from there

(Leapin) right Greycell tons of books and tutorials, some are even interactive

(Kwahts) Seems like 2 hours of class + 3 hours out-of-class for every hour in (that's a standard)

(Greycell) i'm spending at least 12 hours looking for resources and doing editting

Leapin thanks flamingo *grin*

(TXJune) I wouldn't want to venture how much time our group is spending. LOTS

(Leapin) Greycell the next assignment has tons of links to help the groups complete 

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(Leapin) actually I'd say it has too many lol

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(Ghatten) Hopefully greycell the first lesson was the most difficult

(Ghatten) The topic and the forming of groups is NOT easy

(Ghatten) After that teaching yourself how to use and make graphics is probably a snap! LOL

(Leapin) for sure, it is noted how well each one of you overcame the barriers and stuck it out

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(Leapin) and that of course is the next assignment

(Lady_Cass) I bet you can even make Good ones without Photoshop (laugh)

(Connie) Can we hear some of the charters?

(Leapin) psp

(Lady_Cass) I like that

(Greycell) i scribble in 'director'

(Katt) 4 stars for psp

(Leapin) paintshop pro is the next best thing to photoshop

(Leapin) Greycell is director good?

(karen) No problem with the 5-7, but it just seems to increase every time I turn around. Now it's 7 plus page creation time, plus individual learning time of some unspecified number of hours. It's starting to reach my available time limit.

(TXJune) Love PSP

(Troi-) I just purchased Instant 3D and am learning how to use that one.

(Leapin) yes katt I would agree

(Sonia) Are we getting into animated gifs too?

(Greycell) i just started the course at OCC

(Savior) animated gifs are fun :)

(Leapin) karen you are not in a group right?

(Leapin) that is why you probably find it so difficult

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(TXJune) wb DE

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(Leapin) as we pointed out numerous times, the group experience will lessen the burden once a good solid group is formed

Leapin sets mode: +o DownEast 

(Leapin) hello bs

(Leapin) ahaha

(Ghatten) I am afraid it might be too much if you are not in a group or not in a group that is working together.

(karen) Yes I am, and it's a good hardworking group. But AFAIK, there are no "experts" on anything.

(Troi-) Karen is our WebOCrats group.

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(Lady_Cass) Our group needs more members...

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(KISSfan) I agree about the group experience becoming better as the solid group is formed.  Our group has had some rough periods, but things are getting much smoother.

(Ghatten) I caution group leaders not to do all the work themselves, it can be tempting, but unfair to them.

(Leapin) karen which group?

(Ghatten) Delegate delegate delegate

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(KISSfan) The roughest part is the group decision-making

(gotham) also, share , share, share :)))))

(Greycell) mail, mail, mail?

(Kim) We are getting better Kissfan

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(Ghatten) You get the idea. LOL

(Leapin) KISSfan sometimes true, which is why leaders are necessary, sometimes the leaders will have to make the decision

flamingo says to Karen: last class I joined a group (anne...) and we found that our page is an ongoing page... that we will be working on it for a long time...

(KISSfan) Kim:  Yes!

(Ghatten) Also, if  you get stuck

(Ghatten) Need help

(Ghatten) have questions

(karen) Web page creation takes some hours, and we can all expect to create at least one page. Also, The outside learning requires researching topics and learning. What I'm realistically seeing is 12-14 hours/week to be a thorough learner.

(Kim) Its hard to really decide, when we are unsure of what everyone else in the group knows, and we do not want to feel like total butt heads

(Ghatten) PLEASE don't heisitate to ask us

(karen) I'm in Web-O-Crats.

(Connie) do we really have only 8 weeks

(Ghatten) Yes 8 weeks

(flamingo) Karen: is that WEB-O-holics???

(TXJune) I'm a butthead; no nothing. LOL

ramona wants to ask how eveone is doing on there pages if she can

(Ghatten) I don't want that to get lost---Please do not hesitate to ASK us if you have a specifc question or problem

(who) Watch it Flamer!

(Ghatten) IF we don't know the answer we probably want to find it at LEAST as much as your group does!

(Leapin) Connie honestly the hardest part is done, the rest will be easier if everyone in the group does their part

(KISSfan) I think the members of our group (Net-Edu) are getting to where each person is "owning" part of the site...very cool, indeed!

(anne) our group is still debating on best way to link everything, frames are not seen by text browsers, but keep everything together, we are looking at different ways but no decisions made yet

(kp) I have found the last 2 weeks to be a fantastic challenge!

(Counselor) Actually, text browsers *do* se frames...just not in the same way.

(Leapin) Kissfan, many of the groups are dividing into subgroups to work on sections and then meeting to discuss progress, that is one technique to use

(KISSfan) This class is teaching MUCH more than stretching our web design horizons...the teamwork part is incredibly educational!

(Connie) we should have a topic by tomorrow - I mean SLOW...

(Lady_Cass) Our group has the topic Charitable Organizations

(Kim) Some of us, who are still learning, step in and get our feet wet, but like to watch and learn too

(Dave_J) Right...Lynx 2.6 shows the content of the frames, just not the positioning.

(KISSfan) Leapin:  We're there, in sub-groups, and it's working ok.

(Ghatten) Ok, I would rather slow, but dedicated than rushing in with no direction Connie

(Lady_Cass) So then tables can be use without worry?

(anne) oh super, my freenet only has 2.5 right now so only see the title

(Connie) well, we are dedicated. 

(Ghatten) Then you have the most important hurdle covered Connie

(Connie) It will be a challenge sharing knowledge by email...

(Counselor) Yes, tables can be used.

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(Leapin) KISSfan, is the group meeting to discuss the progress of the subgroups, that is important to share the information and techniques learned

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(Leapin) lol anne

(Lady_Cass) I LOVE TABLES

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(Leapin) Connie a challenge for sure

(who) i am very fond of chairs and some overstuffed furniture

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(Counselor) In fact, my portion of our page is going to be how to make the "advanced features" accessible by all browsers, including text browsers.

(Lady_Cass) Should members do what they do best or what they are weak in (so they can learn)

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(TXJune) LOL who

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(Ghatten) Members who are strong in an area can help others

gotham slaps who with a wet noodle

ramona askes will there be away for us to see what other have done with there pages so far like a ling page at UV

(Leapin) Counselor that should be very interesting, a one stop source for that info is hard to find

(Lady_Cass) okay got it :)

(Leapin) LC what they are weak in

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(TXJune) Counselor has a great web site now

(Ghatten) Members who are new to a topic should put effort into at least UNDERSTANDING it better

(anne) i see the room is setup already at VU that looks like where the links will be posted

(Lady_Cass) Well for example I'm weak in scripts

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(Lady_Cass) and other members are weak in other areas

(Leapin) Ramona yes we will make a listing of all the pages, so you all can browse the logs of the other groups

Ghatten sets mode: +o jas 

(Leapin) this helps competition hehe

(TXJune) what room; Anne?

(tommy) hehe

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(Connie) hehe

(ramona) oohhhh that sounds great! thanks

(jas) hello...am i early or late??

(Greycell) i hope we're not competing, but learning

(anne) oh in the menu, where you see library, etc, at room 825, leapin and ghatten will need to tell us tho ;)

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(TXJune) k, thanks

(tommy) Leapin you are also going to post the urls for all of the groups?

(Leapin) no problem ramona ,  I have peeked at some sites already, very impressive!!

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(Leapin) tommy yes you will be getting all the urls through email

(Ghatten) R said he was setting up at place for "homework"...don't know how we will be using it yet

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(Leapin) Greycell a little competition never hurt any group :)

(TXJune) cool; so we can post urls?

(anne) our logs so far are primarily on deciding content for the sections and not the techniques, learning stuff is more in email

(Ghatten) Anne  I would expect that to be the case at this point

(Leapin) anne, that is also useful, how people managed to make decisions

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(Leapin) that is actually hard in a group setting

(Cat) Please, could someone send log to cat@fan.net after meeting?  Having BIG ISP problems tonight ... much trouble getting back in when bumped.  Thanks.  : )

(anne) i will be happy to send a log to anyone

(Greycell) i'm building my page at geocities:http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7547 to be linked with our group page!

(Lady_Cass) It's tough

(TXJune) 825 logs are on our site

(Cat) Thanks, Anne

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(TXJune) wb again DE

(histnact) I log for my group "Net-Edu" at our site

Leapin sets mode: +o DownEast 

(LadyLuck) Has class started yet?

(Leapin) TXJune great :)

(Sonia) What is your site June?

(Lady_Cass) I just learned how to log (chuckle)

(Leapin) histnact great too

(Leapin) lol LC hehe

(Greycell) hopefully, i'm logging too!

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(Leapin) see people are learning every minute

(Leapin) lol rofl Greycell

(TXJune) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/plains/9342/  Web-O-Crats

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(Leapin) I like that hopefully comment haha

(Greycell) better believe it

Ghatten sets mode: +o cntrygal 

(cntrygal) Did I get the time wrong?

(Leapin) :)

(Greycell) lol

(Leapin) cntrygal yes

(cntrygal) I'm here DE

(Ghatten) We had moved the time up last week

(cntrygal) thought it was 10

(anne) i will send you the log cntrygal ;)

(Ghatten) Was but we announced 9 last week

(Ghatten) sorry

(cntrygal) lol  was doing homework

(Ghatten) 10pm was Misprint LOL

(Lady_Cass) Yeah my favorite thing to do is to read Best and Worst of site design pages

(heiku-me) so..we missed the meeting

(Greycell) ain't we all doing homework

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(Leapin) heiku-me sort of

(Leapin) you can get the logs though

(heiku-me) I think i am spending most of my time missing meeting....:)

(cntrygal) well De fill me in

(Leapin) lol heiku-me it's that NS blood ;)

(cntrygal) I mailed de but guess he was gone

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(heiku-me) I guess so leapin... so One question...when and what time is the next meeting

(Counselor) ]Perhaps, Ghatten and Leapin, you should include my linklink to my "tips on Accesbile Web Page Design" in your links list.

(cntrygal) I'm still catching up s

Counselor can't type tonight...

(cntrygal) from when my computor was gone

(Lady_Cass) where's your site Counselor?

(Leapin) heiku-me probably next sunday at 6pm campus time, let me check if that is okay with ghatten

(heiku-me) ok..

Ghatten sets mode: +o KISSfan 

(RiffRaff) ok, I have returned. :)

(ramona) Are you going to do the reporting like you did last week?

(Counselor) My site is:  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2122/

(cntrygal) I'll get is straight this time

(Lady_Cass) thanks

(Ghatten) thanks counselor

(Counselor) Go to: webpage.html for the Tips".

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(TXJune) Great site Lady_Cass; counselors that is

(Lady_Cass) I'm checking it out right now

(Counselor) Hey, I'm still in the middle of updating it!

Leapin announces the next meeting will be 6pm campus clock time, here on irc.buffnet.net:6667 next sunday

(Lady_Cass) Although I think my own site is a great site (laugh)

ramona askes Are you going to do the reporting like you did last week?

(Lady_Cass) oh I'll wait then 

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Leapin announces the next meeting will be 6pm campus clock time, here on irc.buffnet.net:6667 next sunday

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Leapin announces the next meeting will be 6pm campus clock time, here on irc.buffnet.net:6667 next sunday

(KISSfan) Thanks, Leapin...we'll update our group for next week's meeting.

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(Connie) are we done?

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(Counselor) That's ok, just the index page needs some updating...you can ignore it and look at the webpage.html

(Kim) Will the instructors be marking our submissions this week, then let each group know if we have missed anything, or need to fix something?

(Lady_Cass) okay

Virginia1 1

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Leapin says the next assignment with resource pointers should come in your email tomorrow if not already

(Ghatten) Be back in a second!

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(Leapin) that assignment is  a two week one, but there is lots to do

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(TXJune) LOTS TO DO

(Sonia) Sounds great

(Connie) Already have lots to do...

(heiku-me) whois ed

(TXJune) Been doing "lots to do'es since the irc seminar. LOL

(Counselor) Lady Cass, where's your page...acutally if you could email me with it...jharris@u.washington.edu

(Leapin) Connie, wait till you see it, it is very oriented to a specific area (s) of html

(Cat) Anne, will you remember to send log to cat@fan.net?

(RiffRaff) Sasha needs a log too!  akavs@spika.unistar.si

(Connie) Actually I know images and image maps so I may be ahead.

(Leapin) TXJune you will have fun with this one I am sure

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(anne) sure will cat

(TXJune) Riff; we keep logs on our site; remember

(Lady_Cass) Well here's both     http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/5633/

(Connie) :)

(TXJune) Lots of fun

(Cat) Thanks, Anne

(Leapin) besides most people already have the skills for this one, it is just improving them

(LadyLuck) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9578

(tommy) Yes Anne, I'd like one also at: tom@pcez.com if I may

(anne) sure will do

(Leapin) anne a busy camper as always :)

(tommy) thanks

(LadyLuck) We are not blaming you Ghatten, just looking for someone to clue us in

GhattAFK changes topic to "Class in Progess.  The floor is open!"

(tommy) if not already, she will be shortly! :)

(TXJune) Lets dance. LOL

(Leapin) hehe

(Leapin) There Are  64  People in  #room825  On Sunday,  2/2/97  at  11:17:12 PM  in Seattle (VeXeD Count v2.0)

(Leapin) There Are  64  People in  #room825  On Sunday,  2/2/97  at  11:17:25 PM  in Seattle (VeXeD Count v2.0)

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Counselor says sure..

(Top) Hello,  hows it goin everyone?

(Leapin) top to bottom it looks like it is going fine

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gotham says time looks wrong Leapin?

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(HotWheels) Do the clocks run backward in Seattle?

(Kim) Have we coveredeverything for tonight/

(Leapin) gotham it is that time here

(gotham) LOL

tommy asks how do you keep from being "Ping timed out"?

(Leapin) hehe

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(Kim) It is 10:10 est time

(Greycell) in so. cal. it's 7:10pm pst

TXJune throws rope around tommy "HOLD ON"

(Cat) Tom, type /nick Tommy^

(Connie) how do you do colors in mirc?

(Leapin) tommy you cannot stop from being pinged out, it is your host losing connection information

(Leapin) it usually gets worse if the server is overloaded

(Kwahts) The new pirch v.90 colors 0,1 0-White 1,0 1-Black 2 2-Navy 3 3-Green 4 4-Red 5 5-Maroon 6 6-Purple 7

(Kwahts) 7-Olive 8 8-Yellow 9 9-Lime 10 10-Teal 11 11-Aqua 12 12-Blue 13 13-Fuchsia 14 14-Gray 15 15-Silver

(Kwahts) Like that

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(Leapin) 16,16...........4,'#########################16,16................

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tommy grabs hard and is holding on

ramona is going for the night good luck on lesson two everyone

(jas) anne..i need a copy of the log too..jcook@monmouth.com

(Leapin) thanks ramona

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(Kwahts) 0,12 * 4,4...........................0,12 *12,12.

(Kim) So where does one find this new pirch

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(Kwahts) 4,4......0,12 * 4,4...............0,12 * 4,4......

(Kwahts) 4,4.........0,12 * 4,4.........0,12 * 4,4.........

(Kwahts) 4,4............0,12 * 4,4...0,12 * 4,4............

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(Kwahts) 4,4......0,12 * 4,4...............0,12 * 4,4......

(tommy) Is this called a "Flood"?

(Kwahts) 4,4...0,12 * 4,4.....................0,12 * 4,4...

(Kwahts) 0,12 * 4,4...........................0,12 *12,12.

(Greycell) what's happening leaping?

(Cat) loses something in the translation : )

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(TXJune) a graphic flood. ROFL LOL

(Katt) are we dismissed yet?

(tommy) Hey Katt!

gotham says nobody floods like leapin, LOL

(anne) does anyone else need a log? 

(Katt) Hiya Tommy

(Sonia) Bye all see you next Sunday

(tommy) I noticed you are from Oregon aren't you?

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(Leapin) Greycell  I am not too sure, nobody is asking questions so I assume class is over

(Katt) me anne.. in case mine didnt work again

(Kris) Anne: Send me one please.

(Katt) yep Tommy i am

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(anne) kris, i need your email

(KISSfan) Hey, everyone...gotta go!  I'll be visiting everyone's sites soon!

(August) Greycell you want to go # Dragon Riders afterwards

(Greycell) or typewriter graphics?

(who) I am still not sure about the tutorials????

(tommy) Me too, what part r u in?

(Katt) anne... katt@sting.org

(Kris) krantz@bright.net

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Kwahts waves goodbye for now.

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(Ghatten) I am back

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(TXJune) Poor who

(Kris) Is that ok anne? Thanks.

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(Ghatten) have we finsihed in my absence?????

(TXJune) wb Ghatten

(Leapin) I saw the Dragon Riders Site tonight, very impressive

(TXJune) who is confused

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(Leapin) 1,1............12,12 11111111111,1..............

(Leapin) 1,1.........12,12 11111111111111111,1...........

(Leapin) 1,1.......12,12 111111111111111111111,1.........

(Leapin) 1,1......12,12 111114,4...12,12 111114,4...12,12 111111,1.......

(Leapin) 1,1.....12,12 1111114,4...12,12 111114,4...12,12 1111111,1......

(Leapin) 1,1.....12,12 11111111111111111111111111,1......

(Leapin) 1,1.....12,12 11111111111111111111111111,1......

(Leapin) 1,1......12,12 1111110,10....12,12 11110,10.....12,12111111,1.......

(Leapin) 1,1.......12,121111110,10..........12,12 111111,1.........

(Leapin) 1,1........12,12 111111111111111111,1...........

(Leapin) 1,1...........12,12 11111111111,1...............

(Leapin) 1,1.....................................

(Katt) Tommy... Roseburg.. you?

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(tommy) Portland

DownEast: I'm off to bed, Night all!!!!

(TXJune) bye DE

-CHANOPS- (VeXeD WallOP to #room825 ) nite DE

(Kim) Where does one find this file called new pirch for colours??

(Greycell) and there's noone in the #dragonriders conference room

(Cat) PageBusters PowWow will be open in a few minutes, ISP permitting

(Cat) Goodnight all.

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(August) ok

(tommy) Roger that

(Leapin) who wanted the url for pirch?

gotham says, see what happens when you leave, Ghatten?  Leapin floods us hee hee

(cntrygal) well I have lots of homework to finish so I better get going.  when doe we get lesson 2 today or tomorrow?

(tommy) see ya cat

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(Kim) I do Leapin!!

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(who) i do?

(TXJune) Think we should have a class on irc graphics

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(Leapin) http://www.bcpl.lib.md.us/~frappa/pirch.html

cntrygal apologize for being dumb and missing meeting!!!

(Leapin) kim the url is     http://www.bcpl.lib.md.us/~frappa/pirch.html

(TXJune) taught by Leapin and magic

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(Leapin) make sure you download the right version for your machine and software

(Connie) 3 it's a success - I am coloreful!

(Ghatten) LOL

(Leapin) lol TXJune haha

(Kim) Thanks Leapin

Ghatten stands on DESK

(Leapin) lol connie

Ghatten yells ATTENTION!!

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(Leapin) eeks

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who buys a round with Ghatten table dancing

TXJune at attention

Leapin thinks ghatten broke a vocal on that one hehe

(Connie) 2 I never know what color I will be but that's for later

(Katt) night all

(who) 1 12 23 34 45 56 67 78 89 910 1011 1112 1213 1314 1415 15

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TXJune salutes Ghatten

(cntrygal) and what are we at attention for?

Ghatten asks in a soft voice does anyone need anything)

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(who) Connie: 

(cntrygal) lol just more hours in the day teach

(Top) Katt, me and Ramona are in powwwo 

(who) 1 12 23 34 45 56 67 78 89 910 1011 1112 1213 1314 1415 15

(Connie) yes?

Leapin needs a million dollars

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(Counselor) Well, I need a button...

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(Ghatten) becuase if not we will dismiss and those who need to leave can go

TXJune me too leapin

(who) those numbers are the color controls

(Connie) 4 thanks, who you are a dear

(Leapin) lol counselor

(who) i know it

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who blushes

(tommy) Well, thanks Leapin an Ghatten see eveyone next week!

Ghatten sets mode: +o sailorme 

Leapin sets mode: +o sailorme 

(Connie) 6 so sweet.

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(Lady_Cass) So basically by tomorrow the groups have to have the pages up

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(Leapin) bye tommy

(cntrygal) well night all still have lots of work to do

(sailorme) looks like your having fun

(gotham) 4,2 who is not a deer!  He's an owl!

(Suz) goodnight all

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(Leapin) 3,9     (Y)

(Leapin) 3,9    (-)

(Leapin) 3,9--()-,-()--({@

(Leapin) 3,9   (_)-(_)  

(who) hoo hoo

(TXJune) who, I thought you were still confused about something?

(who) I'm a hoot!

(Leapin)        @

(Leapin)      @@

(Leapin)        \l/ Roses

(Leapin)        ) (

(Leapin)       (__) for the people  

(who) 0,0______4@9`4@ @

(who)      4@9,4@9`4@9,`4@

(who) 0,0_____9`4@9\`|/4@9'

(who)        \--/9` 4

(who)         ||

(who)        (__)

(Kim) night Suz

(who)  0,0_____6for you...

Ghatten says ok I guess that is it!! Please email if there is still need for clarification!!!!!!

(Leapin)  4/ \./ \/\_

(Leapin)  4__{^\_ _}_ ) }3/^\

(Leapin)  4/ /\_/^\._}_/ // 3/

(Leapin) 4( (__{(@)}\__}.//_3/__A____A_______A________A___

(Leapin)  4\__/{/(_)\_}  )\\ \\---v-----V-----V---Y-------

(Leapin) 4( (__)_)_/  )3\ \)

(Leapin)  4\__/ \__/\/\/

(Leapin)  \__,--'

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(Connie) 2 I would have figured that out

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(who) leapin: 13

Ghatten says ok I guess that is it!! Please email if there is still need for clarification!!!!!!

(cntrygal) leapin your much to good at that stuff

(Leapin) that flower needs some surgery hehe

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(Kim) love the roses, its the only ones I will get

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(who) Q: I still am not sure about tutorials????

(Counselor) Thanks Ghatten and Leapin

(Ghatten) who!

TXJune asks if the can "at ease" yet?

(cntrygal) night and see my group tuesday night

(Leapin) cntrygal, you would not have said that a few days ago hahaha I was terrible!!!

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(Ghatten) yes June

(TXJune) she not the

(TXJune) thanks

(cntrygal) your much too fast

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(Leapin)  4/ \./ \/\_

(Leapin)  4__{^\_ _}_ ) }3/^\

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(Leapin)  \__,--'

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(cntrygal) well night

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(Leapin) ...................................`::.

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(Leapin) don't ask what that was!!!

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(Leapin) cause it does not look anything like it should hehe

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(Connie) 2 beautiful leapin

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Counselor thinks that Leapin is trying to get rid of me...

(Leapin) lol connie I like the blue lettering :)

(Leapin) Counselor why would that be now?

Leapin ponders that thought

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Leapin sets mode: +o sailorme 

(Counselor) You can't image how annoying that garbage is to a speech synthsizer..

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(Connie) 11 how about htis?

(sailorme) thanks

(Leapin) oops sorry Counselor

(Ghatten) /action says BYE

(Leapin) bye ghatten

Ghatten says BYE! LOL

(Lady_Cass) I bet

(Lady_Cass) Bye

(TXJune) BYE

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(August) Bye 

(TXJune) When does homework get graded

(Counselor) Well, y'all go ahead and play, I gotta go look for a button...  :)

(sailorme) Good nite and dont let the bed bugs bite

(TXJune) ???????????

(anne) kris, i have your email pasted now and will send

(Kris) Thanks alot Anne!

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(Leapin) bye counselor

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(Virginia1) 1

Counselor says bye, June, do you have time to help me now?

(TXJune) you going in the other room? counselor?

(Counselor) Yep...

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(TXJune) OK, meet you there

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(anne) last call for log of the meeting, give me your email address if you need one please

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(Connie) 3 remember me anne!

(Greycell) hoiby@whoever.com

(sailorme) leapin what is thissong your looking for

(anne) k got it

(jas) anne...did you see my request for a log??

(anne) yes you are already pasted in jas

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(Connie) 8 thanks very much

(jas) good thank you

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(Lady_Cass) Who I sent you a message did you get it?

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(Leapin) eeks connie yellow is terrible

(August) Greycell got it logged

(Greycell) hi august

(sailorme) this is the largest study group I'v seen yet

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(anne) there were 80 at once here last week sailorme

(August) hi greycell looks slim

(Greycell) i came in at 6:30 before i started logging

(Connie)  I agree what number was that?

(August) 64

(Greycell) denise showed up at dragonriders

(sailorme) why dont they have study groups

(Lainer) Danita are you still here?

(anne) sailor, this is for all the study groups to meet with leapin and ghatten, to clarify and ask questions

(Leapin) well folks time for this froggie to hit the lilypad, need my beauty sleep for work tomorrow 

(Leapin) hehe

(anne) it will be held again next week 6pmPST campus time

(sailorme) k sorry

(anne) nite leapin

(Leapin) take care and if you have questions feel free to email 

(anne) thanks to you and ghatten!!!!

(August) bye Leapin

(Leapin) nite anne thanks for all your help tonight  re: sending logs etc..

(Leapin) bye auguest 

(Danita) Hi Lainerr!

(anne) welcome, that was the easy part ;)

(TXJune) Seasons in the sun

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