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<Kwahts> Moi?
<Kwahts> I struggle like the dickens!
<Leapin> Kwahts yes toi
<Leapin> lol
Troi- jumps up and down..Kwhats gonna teach... Kwhats gonna teach.. :)
<OutWest> I think I wuz there once er twice so I haveta go vback and do sum more TNX!!!
<Kwahts> I can't teach graphics...
<Leapin> Kwahts you seem to know alot and I am sure people here would appreciate it
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<Kwahts> OKOkokokokokok.....
<Kwahts> Im drafted
<Troi-> :)
<Leapin> lol
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<OutWest> TNX Kwahts
<Leapin> you need ops to teach hehe
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<Kwahts> 'oh
<Grosbeak> Kim: Hi, did JS work for u?
<Kwahts> As everyone knows, a good graphic is one you get paid for...
<Kwahts> ;-)
Leapin changes topic to "\\' TONIGHTS TOPIC IS GRAPHIC DESIGN..TIPS AND TRICKS \\'"
<Kwahts> Have we all gotten sick of that little joke?
<shadrak> yep
<Leapin> lol
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<OutWest> whatever makes your fheart tick LOL
<Lindley> Kwahts... bottom line.  BOTTOM line.  VBG
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<Kwahts> Since I am NOT a graphic artist
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<shadrak> hi kate
<kate> hi all
<Kwahts> The way I do graphics is more a matter of combination than anything else...
<Kwahts> Like my animated "men working" sign
<who> I thought a good graphic was any one you could walk away from!!  (or was that a landing?)
Leapin says ATTENTION...due to everyone being so over worked...Ghatten and myself have extended the assignments to date for one more week so people can work on the content and finish off uncompleted stuff
<Kwahts> I found the first one ever done (sign, static)
<Kwahts> and made 4 copies of it
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<shadrak> hi flamingo
<Kwahts> In one, I extended the arms
<kate> all health, I couldn't get on last night as my husband got me a new 33600 modem and I had to install it.
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<flamingo> Hi everyone!
<flamingo> Thanks shad
<Kwahts> In another, I put blotches for dirt falling
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<Kwahts> and in another, I put the dirt piled on the shovel
<Leapin> Kwahts hang on a second...until people get settled okay?
<Kwahts> Then using GIF Construction Set, I put the images together
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<Arthur> Hi everyone!!!
Leapin asks is there anyone else here who is fairly good at graphics and has a good working knowledge of the same?
<Leapin> hello Arthur
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<Leapin> OutWest that is my flower!!! lol
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<cntrygal> phew I made it
<OutWest> I toldja I wus stealin it LOL!!!
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<kate> nice Valentine's day flower ...
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<cntrygal> hi
<cntrygal> terrible trip back home bad storm
<Leapin> hello cntrygal
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<cntrygal> hello all
Leapin asks is there anyone else here who is fairly good at graphics and has a good working knowledge of the same?
<cntrygal> almost couldn't get on phone trouble too
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Leapin asks is there anyone else here who is fairly good at graphics and has a good working knowledge of the same?
<who> Leap...how is the cat?
Leapin asks is there anyone else here who is fairly good at graphics and has a good working knowledge of the same?
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<Kwahts> OUTWEST:
<cntrygal> gotham is doing lots with she hasn't made it here yet tonight
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<little> what kind of graphics?
anne wishes she were an expert
<OutWest> whazzat Kwahcts????
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<who> (__)
<who> 0,0_____6for you...
<Kwahts> 6 red & 1 white
<Pilgrim^> seee ya 
Leapin asks is there anyone else here who is fairly good at graphics and has a good working knowledge of the same?
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<Kwahts> 'LOVE IT, Who!!
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<anne> hey guys, you will screw up the logs with too many more of those cool graphics here
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<Pilgrim^> how are you?
<bahrd> hi jack
<Leapin> op hotwheels
<Pilgrim^> cool
shadrak says when duz the meeting start?
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<OutWest> wow 42 here already
<who> could y'all hold it down...we are trying to watch "Lady and the Tramp" here
<Kim> Hi histnact, nice to see you made it
Leapin says ATTENTION please, tonights class is starting, we are open to questions about graphics tips and tricks, HotWheels, Lindley, Kwahts and Pilgram have volunteered to answer questions where they can
Leapin says ATTENTION please, tonights class is starting, we are open to questions about graphics tips and tricks, HotWheels, Lindley, Kwahts and Pilgram have volunteered to answer questions where they can
<cntrygal> Outwest anything new while I was gone?
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<Pilgrim^> thats Pilgrim if you Please LOL
<Leapin> lol
<OutWest> Nope talk with ya later????
<Leapin> oops
<cntrygal> yes ow
<Leapin> okay does anyone have a question about graphics ?
<OutWest> tnx cntrygal
<Kwahts> Yes!  
<Leapin> in relation to your assignments
<Troi-> ok.. Question.. Do any of you know of a program to make Transparent gifs, without it rasterizing or fading in to the page.. ?
Kwahts waves his hand.
<cntrygal> lol don't know enough to ask a question
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<Kim> what is the best graphics program that does not cost hundreds of $$$
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<shadrak> hi Tina
<Leapin> Troi have you tried Paint Shop Pro?
<Tina> geez
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<Pilgrim^> Paint Shop Pro is reasonalbe and works with quite a few diffrent files
<cntrygal> does anyone make a good book for painshop pro?
Lindley says... depends on what you're trying to do.
<Tina> re 
<Tina> hit the wrong button
<Troi-> nope.. havent tried that one.. Have Gif Construction set.
<cntrygal> painshop pro
<cntrygal> sorry
<Kim> There is a book out for paint shop pro 4 I do believe
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<cntrygal> typo again
<Franswa> Yes go to JASC home page there is a link to the book.
<Troi-> I will try paintshop pro then.. thanks..
<cntrygal> they have in book stoors?
<OutWest> PAINSHOP  LOL  cntrygal
<Leapin> cntrygal there is an excellent one by Laura Lamey
<Kim> the Gif Construction is good, helped me out making my animated gif
<cntrygal> oh good
<bahrd> Good book for PSP is put out by QUE
<cntrygal> sorry for the bad typing just got home  in a terrible storm not calmed down yet
<Troi-> yes.. I use Gif Construction Set for a lot of my graphics
<anne> i ordered the book via the jasc page, also an 800 number to call
<Lindley> If you're willing to shell out $130... try Micrografx Picture Publisher & Designer.  Raster & Vector.
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<OutWest> What is the name of the book???????????????
<Lindley> Not shareware though.  :(
<MtyJo> 825-3 listed URL <http://www.webweaverxxi.com?psp40/index.shtml> as a tutorial for paint shop pro
<Pilgrim^> What is that Jasc Home page (so we all can see where to go)
<cntrygal> I was given micrografix picture publisher today
<HotWheels> GIF Construction Set also does a good job of scaling graphics(making larger or smaller) and creating transparent gifs.
<cntrygal> have to install it yet
<Leapin> there are alot of free tutorials on line
<August> There is some tips & tricks that can download for PSPro
<Franswa> "Creating your own Web Graphics" QUE ISBN 0-7897-0912-0
<flamingo> http://www.jasc.com/
<Lindley> It has some irritating features... but it's a WOW editor with tons of functions.  Some version come bundled with Kai's Powertools.
<bahrd> Creating your own web g4raphics and comes with a cd with psp and gif construction set
<Pilgrim^> BRB
<Franswa> http://www.jasc.com
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<Lindley> My WIN95 version came with 4 apps (2 I never use) and 2 CDs with great images.
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<Leapin> http://www.webweaverxxi.com/psp40/        excellent psp 4.01 tutorials there
<ingo> iI have tried to write a short tutorial for transparent GIF s at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1238/homew.html
<Troi-> cool.. thanks Ingo.. :)
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<Troi-> I will visit there.. 
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<cntrygal> wow lot of information to digest so quick here
<OutWest> bye skippy
<Leapin> http://www.grafx-design.com/     another good one for psp
<Leapin> log
<bahrd> hi mike and misty
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<sailorme> hi b
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<Troi-> I did a transparent Animated gif as part of my assignment for the Web-o-crats.
<aBunny> hello Steve :)
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<Leapin> Troi was it your first trans?
<Leapin> http://www.dragonfire.net/~chuckd/pspro.html   another psp tutorial page
<Leapin> hmm I appear to be lagging
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<Troi-> no.. not the first trans.. but the first animated gif I did..
<tommy> yes Dragonfire has great information
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<Troi-> all my other transparents... kindof come onthe page real slow.. fading in..
<Leapin> Troi congrats :)  I will have a boo at it later on :)
<Leapin> wb russ
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<Troi-> LOL Leapin...
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<Troi-> There is also a thumbnail and Graphical text on my part of the homework
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<Russ> Russ lost connection; back now.
<anne> new url for one just given is http://www.pspro.ml.org/
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<HotWheels> You can get download a shareware version and get an overview of Gif Construction Set from http://www.midworkshop.com/Alchemy
<Troi-> LOL Kwhats..
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<anne> can people say the group they are in when they refer to stuff did for homework so we can find it please
Lindley has been doing graphics for 2+ years and is STILL learning something new all the time.
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<Troi-> I got my Gif Construction Set.. off the Tucows Site.. really great resource.
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<sailorme> brb
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<Darkdrgn> sorry all got bumped
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<Darkdrgn> as are many others I see
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<Darkdrgn> thanks flamingo
<Lindley> If I can give advice about graphics it's... 1) don't depend on one package for everything.
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<Lindley> 2) Take your time.
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<cntrygal> the midshop url doesn't work
<HotWheels> OOPS>>TYPO GIF Construction Set is at http://www.mindworkworkshop.com/Alchemy
<Kim> Doing graphics can be very frustrating, especially when your spouse is trying to teach you, and they want to do it themselves
<Troi-> good advice Lindley.. :)
<Gollum> hey all, gollum here
<flamingo> Kim: tell him to get away  ;-)
<Franswa> try http://www.mindworkshop.com/
<Troi-> I used 3 for my animated graphics.. 3D Instant Image, Gif Construction Set, and LViewPro..
<Pilgrim^> http://www.agag.com/ is a large archive site from animated graphics artists and information
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<Lindley> Troi - I think that's why some ppl give up, good graphics are REALLY time consuming.  :)
<cntrygal> still didn't work
<Franswa> or http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/alchemy.html
<Troi-> yes.. they are Lindley.. But I am persistent.. :) I wont give up.. 
<HotWheels> Another good program for viewing, scaling, and manipulating graphics is Graphic Workshop, also from Alchemy and shareware version for dl is at the Alchemy site
<Kim> he tries, but has no patience in teaching, though he has played around with graphics more than I , he is a help and a hinderance
<Kwahts> Atta girl!!
<cntrygal> ok that one worked thanks
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<Troi-> :)
<Franswa> your welcome
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<leapin> geesh bumped again!!!!
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<shadrak> Bouncy in here tonite!
<leapin> thanks AGAIN flamingo :)
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<Misty> ya it is bouncy!
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<HotWheels> Have any of you really thought about the resolution of your graphics and your video setting while doing pages?
<Lindley> Good point.
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<Franswa> i write for a 800x600 res
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<Cat> That's what I like too, Fran.
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<Pilgrim^> I write at 640X480 for the majority of the computers out there in forirgn places
<HotWheels> If you create your own graphics/scans, a resolution of 100 dpi is plenty for a web page and will transfer much faster than a high resolution graphic
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<Troi-> back.. hit the wrong button.. (blush)
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<Tina-> pilgrim is right, most computers are at the smaller resolution
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<leapin> does everyone here know how to change the resolution of a graphic?
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<Lindley> It's easy to assume the midpoint is the baseline.  It bites people who write HTML frames/tables for specific resolutions too.
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<Misty> Leapin tell us so all will know, who aren't here too!
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<HotWheels> Pilgrim, we should all set video to 640X480 when constructing a page and try to keep all the elements within 600X400 for them to display well in most browsers.
<Pilgrim^> why not just ban gizo?
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<cntrygal> what is going on left for a sec
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<Pilgrim^> yup I agree
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<Misty> sheesh! hahaha
<cntrygal> what the heck is happening?
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<Pilgrim^> good
<Misty> Good Move leapin!
<cntrygal> boy can't leave for a minute lol
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OutWest is kinda confoosed
<cntrygal> me too ow
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<leapin> there
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<Lindley> Yeah, what's a clone?  :-/
<leapin> sorry about that all
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<shadrak> she just banned the idiot.
<cntrygal> just  explain so we understand what happened
<HotWheels> Do you mean in graphics, Lindley?
<leapin> a clone is a double or clone account, usually used to takeover a channel
<OutWest> well don't just be sorry what is going on????
<cntrygal> why do we have so much trouble here lately
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<Lindley> OK.  Gotcha.  
<Lindley> Hotwheels - no, just the IRC thing.
<leapin> cntrygal because the server is getting more popular
<cntrygal> must be
<HotWheels> LOL! There are clones in graphics, too!
<leapin> it always attracks the fools
<leapin> HotWheels haha you are right :)
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<Lindley> Clones copies?  Or clones something else? 
<Troi-> sure got quiet.. am I lagged or what?
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<shadrak> ,,,,
<HotWheels> That's right, Lindley. Some programs let you clone part of a graphic/photo and copy it to another place on the image you are working on.
<Franswa> how do you change a res in a graphic (I'm using PSP)
<leapin> willy you have a question?
<JR> Hi Bruce
<Lindley> OK - got the terminology.  :)
<FrankCnd1> types of image maps that aare the most efective?
<willy^> Yes: i want to have the control head for playing music on my page, but can not get it to center using the center tag
<leapin> Franswa you can click  "colors" then decrease colors to whatever you want
<Franswa> That is what i thought Thanks
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<leapin> willy are you putting the center tags in the right place?
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<Lindley> FrankCnd1-depends on what you're going for.  With the new browser functionality you can do just about everthing with client side imagemaps & js.
<HotWheels> That will decrease the number of colors, but not the dpi of the image...you need to use various conversion methods for that
<willy^> well i put them in front and close it after the embed tag
<Kim> I have a question about positioning. When you want to play a sound and the ns player comes up can you have it go elsewhere on the page, or is it a default in NS?
<leapin> Franswa you can also increase the color resolution, and then click on "resample" under "image"  it tends to do a much better job
<leapin> willy try  align="center" somewhere in the tag
<Franswa> I'll try that haven't found that option yet. ;)
<HotWheels> Leapin, mention what program you use, different ones work differently
<willy^> i have tried that also leapin ...and get all kids of resuts
<willy^> results
<SlowHands> {{{{{{{ medda }}}}}}}& gives medda a friendly ><
<leapin> HotWheels Franswa uses PSP and that was what that answer was for
<HotWheels> Changing the number of colors can sometimes create a VERY ugly graphic! LOL!
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<Lindley> Hotwheels - LOL, isn't that what UNDO is for?
<leapin> lol Lindley good point
<HotWheels> Yep
<leapin> everyone can always use undo if they are not happy or if they make a mistake
<HotWheels> IF your program has an undo feature, that is....
<Franswa> mine does :)
<leapin> undo is almost always found under  "edit"  usually the first option in the menu too
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<leapin> mine too
<Lindley> VBG Some of my best effects & ugliest were just plain tinkering with a ready finger over the UNDO option.
<HotWheels> Some converters don't undo...they create a new image...that's what the DELETE button is for....
<Marilyn> May I ask a question, please?
<leapin> does anyone want to see an overlay I created today?
<jt> <center> embed tags </center>
<Lindley> All the newer image editors have an undo.  Some even have multiple step UNDO features.
<Franswa> Is there a program to take animated gifs apart?
<leapin> if so go to   http://www.auracom.ns.ca/
<Lindley> Franswa - you can do it with Gif Construction Set
<HotWheels> Lindley, there is a difference between an editor and a converter
<Franswa> i tried that but couldn't figured it out.
<Lindley> Hotwheels - most editors are converters... but not vice versa.  :-/
<Tina-> leapn, the server is down
<anne> leapin, i cannot get there with your ulr
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<Franswa> i want to change a gif that was 1158 in lenth to 500
<cntrygal> the address doesn't work
<Cat> link doesn't work, Leapin
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<leapin> if you want to reduce an animated gif you have to use something like gif construction or MS gif animator
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<HotWheels> Right...and a lot of converters have features that editors don't. That's why it is good to have several graphic manipulation and viewing programs.
<leapin> oops Cat sorry it is   http://www.hrans.ns.ca/
<leapin> we just changed it with a domain name so I forgot
<Franswa> I have MS GIF Animator but would let me reduce it ( somebody else in my group drew it)
<jas> hello everyone
<leapin> Franswa what version do you have?
<Kim> No go even from Canada Leapin
<Franswa> hang on
<Lindley> HotWheels - yeah, I've got an editor that does the best job of tinkering with color balance I've seen.
<leapin> Kim did you try the second one?
<Kim> Not yet, just on my way
<Cat> Very impressive overlay!  : )
<Lindley> Oops... converter.  
<leapin> http://www.hrans.ns.ca/
<leapin> the  / has to be at the end
<anne> it sure is impressive 
<HotWheels> What is it Lindley, please share with us.
<leapin> thanks Cat :)  *blush*
<leapin> anne thanks too :)  
<Lindley> You HAD to ask.  :)   I have it at work.  Can't remember offhand.
<Franswa> version 1.0
leapin is proud of myself hehe  but don't tell ;)
<Troi-> Leapin... The overlays were the Lighthouse, Logo and text?
<flamingo> Great leapin!
<Troi-> Great work!!!... I like it..
<leapin> Troi yes I made an overlay of all of them, pieced them together
<cntrygal> that answered my question
<Troi-> cool.. what program did you use to do the overlays?
<leapin> there is another overlay on that site under the conference logo (button)
<leapin> but it is not as good
<leapin> photoshop troi
<Grosbeak> 73K - Whoa!
<cntrygal> lepain you need to make a turorial of how you do that stuff
<cntrygal> tutorial
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Troi- says.. I am going to have to download PSP soon.. :)
<leapin> cntrygal I am working on one :) was planing on giving it to everyone here who wants it
<Kim> Made it Leapin, very nice , I like the blending of the pictures
<Franswa> leapin it is Ver1.0 on MSGA
<cntrygal> leapin is that the same process you did with my pictures?
<leapin> thanks Kim 
<Kim> Great, I would like it Leapin count me in
<tommy> I do I do!
<cntrygal> me too
<Troi-> Me Too!!
<Marilyn> I would like it too, please
<Lindley> Leapin - are you using transparencies in the overlays for the effect?
<Cat> Make it available to all, please.
<leapin> cntrygal yes the same process for your surprise, I am just getting better with time
<Ali> Ali, same here
<kate> me too
<Pilgrim^> send me one too please, Iwould like to check out the technique
<cntrygal> well I definately want to know how you do it
<flamingo> Leapin: Wow, fuzzy frog, you have come a long way!  :-)
<who> me three
<leapin> Lindley I am making the edges transparent and soft
<cntrygal> just make it all of us lol
<OutWest> me with hoo
<leapin> flamingo I love graphics, just wish I had more time to experiment and take a course or two
<jt> leapin... looks great,....but I find the text a little difficult to read
<cntrygal> don't we all need more time lol
<leapin> cntrygal will do,  I will probably post it somewhere on the class tribute site for download
<kate> I KNOW I do
<cntrygal> goody
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<leapin> jt I find that too, I will have to make adjustments on the text
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<Marilyn> where is the class tribute site?
<Harcunaut> count me in too
<leapin> Marilyn it is   http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3641/
<anne> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3641/
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<leapin> anne you are fast :)
<who> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3641/
<Marilyn> thank you, leapin
<leapin> wb Gollum
<leapin> who is fast too whew
<Gollum> i'm back....
<leapin> it was a tribute to ghatten from the class, plus a tribute to the great people of the class from me etc..
<leapin> gollum glad to see it
<cntrygal> and it holds leapins awesome library of links
leapin says I was bumped 3 times tonight geesh
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<Kim> Kim keeps running out of paper to write down all these URL's
<leapin> cntrygal that library is about to get much larger *grin*
<cntrygal> kin keep a post it notes pad by your computor
<leapin> lol Kim
<Marilyn> thank you cntrygal. 
leapin buys Kim a notepad for her desk
<cntrygal> it works great
<Kim> If I used the post it notes, I wouldn't see my monitor
<Kim> Thanks Leapin
<leapin> lol
<cntrygal> well don't put them there lol
<who> does anyone have the virtual post-its program?  does it work?
<HotWheels> Kim, your irc program probably has a logging feature. Turn it on and don't worry about notes.
<anne> kim, go to File/Options logging tab and turn on your url catcher for channels 
<Marilyn> net it now?
leapin says you should all see the papers and books on my computer desk, well at least the last time I looked there was a desk there hehe
<Troi-> Kim.. since you are using Mirc 4.72.. your URL holder (sixth button from right on menu) should be holding all these URL's for you.
<cntrygal> rofl leapin
<Kim> You haven't seen where  I have my computer, there is paper everywhere, need to start colour coding it, so I know what I wrote
<leapin> hehe
<Kim> I do have the logging feature on, but I write them down and go visit while on line here as well
<cntrygal> well post it 's come in all colors lol
leapin says.....one good thing, the desk is well protected from dust hahaha rofl
<cntrygal> lol
<Troi-> LOL
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<anne> loggin is different than url catcher kim, if you setup everything in it and also give location of your browser, double-click and go right to the url
<leapin> of course I get alittle scared when it appears those piles of papers are moving hehe
Lindley waves goodbye. You can find me at http://www.netusa1.net/~lindley/ . Gitta go. Early morning appointments.
<leapin> bye Lindley thanks for your excellent help
<Lindley> Sigh.  Gotta 
<Troi-> Bye Lindley!
who says to Lindley Sex is natural, but not if it's done right.
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<FrankCnd1> I wan't a copy of tutorial too!
<who> ooops...that was a random..i didn't say that
<Troi-> ? who... 
<bahrd> all you have to do is type/url and the list comes up and you can just double click on whatever url you want
Troi- slaps whos hands.. bad boy... :)
<Kim> Hi Anne, I think I will have to set that feature up, to save a tree, even though I am already using recycled paper
<leapin> There are 47 members of #room825 (12 are ops and 0 are service bots)  25% of #room825 is occupied by ops
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<leapin> lol Kim
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<leapin> there goes the bunny again
<leapin> :(
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<HotWheels> Are there more questions about graphics?
<leapin> and kate they keep pinging out server must be lagged bad here
<Marilyn> How can I make watermarks?
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<leapin> yes does anyone have more questions about graphics or imagemaps?
<Cat> Question:
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<Kwahts> Whoa!!
<Troi-> good question Marilyn..
<Kwahts> I just followed the instructins for 3-d text
<leapin> Marilyn what paint package are you using?
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<clem> How do we get the tutorial on overlays.
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<Kwahts> for PSP...and it worked!!
<Marilyn> I am very generic, I am using photostyler
<who> I just got thru with watermarks with my youngest, Delaney!
<Troi-> Congrats Kwhats. .. :)
<Marilyn> PSP makes watermarks?
<HotWheels> Marilyn, a watermark is nothing more than an image in a very light color that you can print over, put stuff on top if, etc.
<leapin> clem it is not done yet, but I will post it to the tribute page when it is and you can download it okay?
<Harcunaut> What is PSP?
<Troi-> LOL who..
<anne> Paint shop Pro
<clem> thanks
<Harcunaut> thanks, ann
<Marilyn> I did that and even embossed it, is that all?
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<leapin> Harcunaut PSP is Paint Shop Pro and excellent shareware paint and graphic manipulation package
<DD> what is the tribute page leapin?
<HotWheels> What did you want or were you expecting something else, Marilyn?
<leapin> DD it is a tribute to the last semester 821 students and teacher
<Cat> Q:  What is a single pixel transparent gif?
<Harcunaut> where can I download it?
<DD> where will we access it??
<leapin> the url is   http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3641/
<Kim> So do you use watermarks for the layovers?
<Marilyn> one more question on it, should it cover the whole page or just one area?
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<DD> gotcha!!!! thx
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<leapin> Harcunaut  you can download PSP at  http://www.windows95.com
<HotWheels> That depends on what you are using it for, M.
<leapin> or at  http://www.shareware.com
<Harcunaut> I need the Mac version
<leapin> or at http://www.tucows.com
<Harcunaut> thx
<leapin> harcunaut I am not sure if there is a mac version?
<leapin> anyone know?
<Marilyn> thanks HotWheels. I was just assigned the project.
<flamingo> PSP doesn't have a MAC version
<HotWheels> The fun in graphics is to experiment and learn by what happens!
<flamingo> Best bet for a Mac is Photoshop
<Kwahts> 1,8 DANG!! Don't you LOVE it when something comes together!!
<Troi-> :) Kwahts..
<Harcunaut> Photoshop isn't shareware is it?
<sailorme> I'll See you all latter, *****((((don't get board by the key board))))*****
<HotWheels> Remember, if you have a program like PSP, you can make your own backgrounds. Just make your image about 1 inch by 1 inch and save as a gif. Play with colors, stripes, gradients, etc.
<Kwahts> You're supposed to pay for the SHAREware, too!  86}
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<Pilgrim^> yup It would be nice if you bought the Paint Shop Por after about 30 days, Idd
<Kwahts> Wanna know a secret about backgrounds?
<Kim> Yes, the PSP has a counter on it, try for 30 days, then it keeps track everyday after your 30 day tiral
<Leapin2> again I was bumped!@!!!
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<Leapin2> thanks anne
<Russ> Single-pixel gif is a one pixel by one pixel transparent image. By using this in combination with spacing and scaling values you can "place" elements on your page...a kind of poor man's
<Harcunaut> yea, but about $100 difference...
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<Cat> Teacher!  Teacher!  : )
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<Russ> page layout technique.
<Leapin2> Cat what is wrong?
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<Cat> What is a single pixel transparent gif?
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<Kwahts> Check out the splash page on Web-O-Crats...look at the background image
<HotWheels> Scroll up Cat, Russ just explained it
<Leapin2> Cat is is better known as a spacer, it is an invisible space to use in html 
<who> CAT:
<anne> http://www.pacific.net/~chrisk/societal/pixel.html chris has info on it
<Cat> sorry.
<Leapin2> Cat and easier and more visible space is to use   &nbsp;
<Leapin2> exactly like that
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<HotWheels> Another way to place elements is by using a table and using rowspan and colspan
<Leapin2> Cat sorry for what? your question is a good one
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<Cat> Must be, I still don't understand.  Dense.  : (
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<Kwahts> The combination is AWEsome, too.
<HotWheels> A single pixel transparent gif will fill in space on the page, but you won't see the gif.
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<flamingo> Cat: go to the url that anne gave above.
<Cat> Oh.  got it.  Thanks
<who> Web0crats spt gig is http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/7704/demo1.htm
<Leapin2> yes hotwheels as well ,  if you want to align txt next to a graphic or on top/ below and don't want it resting right on the graphic use the hspace="value" and vspace="value" in the <img> tag
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<who> 13:
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<who> gig = gif
<Russ> Cat: see http://www.killersite.com under tools. 
<anne> http://www.dsiegel.com/tips/wonk5/single.html
<Cat> Thanks
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<who> russ: none such
<Cat> killersite doesn't work
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<Leapin2> Cat you can also use  &nbsp;  to create a blank space
<Cat> ok
<Russ> try www.killersites.com
<Arthur> or <pre> </pre>
<anne> http://www.killersites.com/
<Cat> Got it.  Thanks again.
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<anne> let me know if anyone wants me to email them a log too
<aBunny> me, me, me anne :) please
Leapin2 says anne is a trusty logger :)
<cntrygal> could you mail me anne I can't log right now
<anne> you were already on my list abunny ;)
<Mar> Anne, could you send one to me at mvandt@one.net please?
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<anne> will do
<aBunny> hehee smart anne!
<aBunny> thanks much!
<leapin> one leapin is more then enough haha
<kate> me too anne - I lost some when was booted
<anne> k
<kate> thanx
<leapin> does anyone else want to ask questions about anything?
<Kim> Leapin, is there an extention to this weeks assignment?
leapin reminds everyone that we have a one week extension on the assignments and web pages content
<aBunny> Hooray!!
<histnact> YEA!
<leapin> yes Kim we (ghatten and I ) have extended the deadline
<Mar> thank you, Leapin. 
<Russ> Thanks Leapin!
<histnact> Thanks Leapin and Ghatten
<leapin> for one week so groups can get content and other stuff up-to-date
<Kim> Thanks Leapin, my brain is going fuzzy with all the js info, and graphics info, brain overload, or brain fart
leapin thought that would make everyone happy :)
<Dave_J> NO CARRIER
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<leapin> lol Kim
<MtyJo> Thanks for the advice and URL's - I would like a copy of your graphics tutorial too!
<DD> :) :) :) :)
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<histnact> Kim: Brain fart?????????
<leapin> MtyJo I will let everyone know when it is ready
histnact slaps Kim around a bit with a sperm whale
<leapin> I wonder if I could draw one of those kim ROFL
<Kim> You know , to much info in the grey matter and it starts leaking out, and causes a short circuit, brain fart
<histnact> LOL
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<histnact> OLROTFOL
<Kim> Use the description Leapin, and it might work
<leapin> welcome back Dave_J
<Russ> Serious hint: Single pixel gif useful for indenting paragraphs in text. 
<leapin> lol kim
<histnact> LOLROTFOL
<Dave_J> Thanks!  Keep getting kicked offline.  :-)
<DD> I am still trying to connect with a study group...my contacts have died and I'm orphaned, I guess.
<Mar> thanks Russ.
<DD> any suggestions???
<Cat> Russ, that's actually something I was having trouble with from the beginning, thanks.
leapin wonders, can any group adopt DD?
<Cat> We can always use one more in PageBusters.
leapin says DD needs a group to call home page
bahrd bids you all a fond adieu and hopes you think well of him in his absence
<aBunny> DD we'll take you
<leapin> bahrd take care and sleep tight
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<leapin> DD you have more offers then enough now :)
<Cat> DD, Email cat@fan.net if you'd like to join PageBusters.
<Russ> Here's code: <IMG SRC="dot_clear.gif" VSPACE="0" HSPACE="8"> for a single pixel gif called dot_clear.gif
<anne> abunny is part of ecology spiders
<leapin> brb all need to let the pup out
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<aBunny> thanks anne :)
<anne> ;)
<cntrygal> DD we have lost some people if you'd like to join ours
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<Cat> Thanks, Russ.  : )
<Kim> I find it amazing on how many people first joined up for the class, and how many have quit or dropped it
<cntrygal> let us know dd
<cntrygal> we could use another body lol
<Kwahts> Yeah. A fee of just $20 would have kept most of them!
anne says they are missing out
<Cat> Many dropped, and some just disappeared.
<Sweetcake> He He He .. our group has even gone through 3 study group leaders!
<HotWheels> Kim that is pretty common in any class/school/university situation - some discover they don't have background for a class, others find out they have to do a little work! LOL!
<histnact> commitments and unexpeded changes ahppen
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<Kim> I think it is bad when you start assigning parts of the homework, then they leave , leaving the group in a catchup situation
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<HotWheels> And sometimes people volunteer to do something without realizing what they are getting into....
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<histnact> I giess that is part of the learning
Pilgrim^ >mounts up on his 2Harley-Davidson and rides away in a cloud of greasy smoke !!13{{{{{4 BYE ALL 13}}}}}
<Kim> Oh, I know that it is common, but it just seems everyone is so gung ho for the first wek, then they are gone
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<cntrygal> that's the group dyanamics part
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<HotWheels> I agree, Kim....my own Team Leader fell down on the job...luckily I hooked up with another group.
<cntrygal> the hardest part it seems
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<Russ> bumped...back again
<Mar> Our group is down to five 
<cntrygal> sounds like us lol
<Russ> Net Genii is at seven
<HotWheels> Five is OK if they are all working
<anne> anyway, folks should have fun and learn too, if all the parts don't get there, eventually they will
<Mar> I may be looking for a new group soon
<Cat> We have 22 on the roll; but barely hear from even 5.
<Mar> I see and hear from four others yet
<ingo> Does anybody know how high the dropout rate is at this course
<Russ> All our seven are very active
<anne> you know, the groups that are down, i wonder if posting in class discussion would get more members
<aBunny> we had 12 but only have heard from 7
<HotWheels> Better to have a small active group than a large do nothing group!
<DD> I was in a group with purplerose, but haven't heard for some time.
<Mar> most didn't like to even email
<anne> i bet there are some folks who never caught up with a group and would like to be in one
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<Russ> We do a lot of email
cntrygal thinks we need more than one semestwer to finish this class
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<HotWheels> My group meets in chat three times per week and does email
<Leapin> are any of the groups doing on line lessons with each other?
<Kwahts> eMail, being async, is great!
<tinner> anyone from buffalo, msg me!!!
<aBunny> not that I know of leapin, but it sounds like a good idea
<Leapin> tinman is that you tinner?
<tinner> no
<Harcunaut> Cyberrats have done a lot of teaching me online
<Mar> online lessons? our group meets twice a week in irc
<Russ> hard to keep up even with what we are doing!
<Leapin> aBunny it sure does
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<Sweetcake> Web-O-Crats meet twice a week in chat and we are down to 11 members, 10 of whom are currently active in our group. We also email quite a lot.
<cntrygal> we have a weekly group meeting on irc and made smaller groups that also meet
<Cat> Our active members answer questions, send URLs, chat, etc to help the others out.
<histnact> histnact & Kim are in same study group
<Cat> We officially meet weekly
<Kim> Our group meets twice a week, with 3 different sub-group meetings
Leapin thinks the people who have survived are great people people
<HotWheels> Sounds like you have a good group, Cat.
<cntrygal> now if we could find mnore hours in the day
<histnact> we have an active core but hear little for the others
<Mar> only three of us showed up today
<Kim> We generally have the same 5-6 show up
<Cat> Thanks.  I'm really proud of our active members.  I hope the others will come along.
<anne> our group is a nice combination of irc and email also
<Mar> i agree cntrygal
<who> 13Are any of the group interested in picking up new members...i know of one or two who's groups folded and are free agents??????
<Leapin> cntrygal that is one thing we will be more careful of next time around
<cntrygal> great leapin
<kate> or if we could sit at the computers all the hours of the day ....even when they are on and we are not .... hahah
<HotWheels> Hmmmmm wonder if we could clone hours in PSP!
<Kim> We use alot of email, and access our page often for info that is online
<cntrygal> I think we could use a few more new members
<Cat> PageBusters will accept new members on an individual basis.
<cntrygal> had a number drop out
<Leapin> it was a learning experience for us too, since this is the first time such a concept has been put out there
<aBunny> we have room too 'who' 
<who> i will check log later and be a Yenta
<Mar> thecrew lost a lot too
<aBunny> mblues@innet.com  Ecology Spiders
<Kwahts> I dunno how others do it!
<aBunny> :) ...heh
<Russ> Our lesson three response will be at http://www.olmi.com/vu/lesson3/lesson3.htm...has some interesting things in it but not finished yet
<Kim> If I may say, the only thing I found difficult and frustrating at the beginning of the course was trying to find a study group, 
<Leapin> those that are left are the winners
<anne> oh and the crew was the first to really get started
<cntrygal> cntrygal@epix.net for Bracketeers
<Kwahts> I can do the class exercises as my work
<Kwahts> so I put 40-50 hrs/wk in it
<Kim> The group I am with now are a great bunch of people and are very helpfull 
<Kwahts> Others can't do that, can they?
<Leapin> whow kwahts that is alot of time congrats!!
<HotWheels> I got old enough to retire early and have more hours for fun stuff. <evil grin>
<Leapin> Kim they seem very keen
<Kwahts> Great!
<cntrygal> I really need more time, work 2 jobs, starting a business, and took 3 classes
<Kwahts> I can't retire... Gotta work
<Mar> I can't speak too freely since I'm not one of the spokespersons of our group
<Leapin> I work 40hrs a week to feed my on line time hehe
Kwahts whistles in respect!
<cntrygal> need about 3 more days in the week lol
<Kim> Yes Leapin, they are, thats why I have to work my buns off to keep up and understand what is going on
<kate> 10% of my time is suppose to be for online education, training other, helping students get online, writing booklets on getting connected, learning software and updating the office home pages -- etc.
<histnact> your not alone Kim
<Leapin> Kim I think next semester for this class we will offer on line (irc) sessions for q & a
<cntrygal> and kate has young kids too
<Mar> I guess I'm semi retired. just my own business and temp services
<OutWest> kate u r lucky
<Kwahts> I guess I'm just dumb!
<Mar> I think irc helps a lot. I still don't know much about irc though
<Kim> I think to much grey matter leaked out at some point, and while trying to stuff it back in, got it in the wrong order , now I have mushy brain 
<Leapin> did anyone learn some software that they normally would not have tried?
<cntrygal> irc is the best
<Kwahts> I need 40 hrs to do what you all do in 1 or 3
<Cat> I never tried IRV before this class.  I've learned a lot just from learning that.
<kate> and I work 35 hours, but am supppose to only put in 30 to make up for the 300 hours overtime (straight time ) I have -- I have four kids 7, 5, 3 and 22 months and have a business at home -- you think I'd be a little more organized wouldn't you
<HotWheels> There is a good irc primer on the mIRC site....explains all about irc
<cntrygal> I have 3 new programs to master right now
<Cat> IRV=IRC
<Leapin> Cat do you mean irc?
<Mar> I did. I tried several I wouldn't have tried if not for this class
<Kwahts> PIRCH for me...I never did any IRC
<Mar> My first time on irc too
<Leapin> has anyone met people that are now considered friends?
<anne> i am still trying to learn PSP, it has helped with tutorials others in group do for lesson 3, get more ideas
<Russ> I never used iRC before. Now trying to get various iRCs to work, partiularly in browsers.
<Kim> The IRC is great . The q & A idea is a great idea,  though some people in your group have more experience, you feel sor t of like a DUH when asking questions
<Mar> yes
<histnact> yes
<anne> many new friends yes, leapin
<HotWheels> IRC= Internet relay chat. PIRCH and MIRC are programs to DO IRC.
<kate> what programs are you learning gal?
<Cat> I feel like several in my group are friends.  Figure we'll keep in touch after class is done.
<cntrygal> anne in a million years you won't decide what i decided to do this weekend
<Leapin> Kim DUH away that is the purpose of this kind of class to ask lots of questions and to answer when you can
<cntrygal> guess I mean
<kate> If you could choose any software program for doing web pages and management of web sites and money was no object what would you choose?
<anne> i give gal
<Kim> Ok, I shall DUH away then. 
<cntrygal> pront artist, paintshop pro and the grafitex one
<Leapin> lol Kim okay :)
<HotWheels> A Dos Editor...
<cntrygal> I am finally going to take the win 95 plunge
<cntrygal> print artist
<Leapin> kate I would use several, one would be Photoshop for graphics
<Kim> How can I get my animated gif to work with my js sound file. Both work alone, but not together.
<aBunny> Hooray for cntrygal!!
<anne> oh no, i am the last holdout for win 3.11
<Leapin> frontpage for web page maintenance
<OutWest> yeah hotwheels..........qedit.com !!!!
<kate> I have photoshop
<who> cgal: don't do it...go straight to Win97
<cntrygal> I'm nervous but finally decided to just do it as they say
<Kim> I had a suggestion that a timer would be needed to delay the loading of the js na player
<HotWheels> NOPE! I use Win 3.1 !!!
<kate> yeah gal!!!
<Leapin> kate you are soooo lucky, I have use of it but not ownership
<Cat> Netscape Gold is my fav for this month.
<cntrygal> the last straw was some of the newst programs that are only for 95 and up
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Leapin congratulates cntrygal for taking the plunge!!!
<aBunny> cntrygal you'll hate it the first week, and love it the 2nd week
<OutWest> OK who when do we see 97???
<kate> I thought a combination of pagemill and frontpage -- what do you think?
<cntrygal> I wanted that new video player for rela audio
<Mar> that's what got me cntrygal but it drives me crazy. (win95)
<cntrygal> and only for 95 and nt
<HotWheels> Developers won't upgrade or do new programs for an outdated operating system, cntrygal.
<Leapin> OutWest win 96 upgrade is out already lol
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<Russ> Any other MAC addicts?
<cntrygal> My mom and sis have it now so was playing this weekend
<Leapin> I downloaded it last night, but then discovered it was not freeware so I deleted it just incase
<OutWest> whaaaattttt leapin???
<Harcunaut> I'm a Mac addict
<Greycell> yeah, i use a mac
<Leapin> yes it is the 96up it is called, adds lots of features to 95
<cntrygal> I'll be visiting my computor guru this week
<OutWest> at m-soft?? Leapin??
<Leapin> Greycell macs are excellent for graphics, the best actually
<kate> like what
<cntrygal> hope I don't have to have my putor gone for very long
<HotWheels> Leapin, it sounds like a pirate version of the new oem version of Win95
<Russ> Good to know Harcunaut and Greycell!
Kwahts waves goodbye for now.
<Greycell> only if you have the sof6tware
<Leapin> OutWest you can purchase it there, I staggered onto some guys site who was giving it for free
<Leapin> lol
<Kwahts> See yall soon!
<Kwahts> God bless!!
<cntrygal> you too kwahts
<Mar> 'night Kwahts
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<Sweetcake> Night Kwhats
<cntrygal> my mom has the greatest book for win 95
<Leapin> HotWheels I believe it was pirated so I deleted it
<OutWest> bye kwats
flamingo says Good night all!
<OutWest> bye flamingo
Leapin wonders did DD get into a group yet?
<anne> nite flamingo
<Leapin> night flamingo you pink thing!!!
<Leapin> hehe
<aBunny> what's the name of the book cntrygal????
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<hankh> He's here with us in Donor group, but who knows if he'll stay?
<OutWest> pore DD.... probably overwhelmed!!!
<Leapin> lol
<Leapin> DD answer please ?
<HotWheels> Leapin, it might also be a Beta of the next version...which isn't supposed to be shared with nonBeta testers. That happens a lot.
<Mar> I am overwhelmed.
<hankh> DD is with us in Donor Group
<cntrygal> i left the paper at my moms
<cntrygal> have to call her
<Leapin> hankh thanks :)
<Harcunaut> I've been overwhelmed - just barely swimming with l the graphic stuff
<cntrygal> its a pictoral book that is great
<aBunny> sounds really good
<Leapin> HotWheels I hope not, cause I deleted it :(
<cntrygal> very easy to undersrtand
<cntrygal> I'll call for the title or e-mail
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<Kim> Kim is wondering if any questions that were asked tonight, that did not get answered, would the teachers send the answers via email?
<cntrygal> thought I had my post it
<anne> last call for emailing anybody a log
<cntrygal> just remember me anne thanks
<Mar> please send me one, Anne.
<anne> you are already on the list mar
<Mar> thanks Anne
OutWest wnats a cy pse anne   tnx  :)))))
<anne> sure OW
<Leapin> Kim I will review the log and try to discover any unanswered questions
<Cat> Anne, we all appreciate your logs.  I actually made it without getting bumped tonight; so I have a log.  Thanks again from all of us.  You're always so kind.  : )
<Leapin> Kim do you know any off hand?
<anne> welcome, and thanks ;)
OutWest likes {{{{{{{{{{{{{ANNE}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
aBunny appreciates all the help anne always gives
<cntrygal> hey ow put up our page url I deleted the wrong bookmark ok?
<Kim> Thanks leapin, the ones I had , were on the NS naplayer,when loaded can you have it go anywhere except in the top left corner
<Kim> and the question on js and animated gifs??
<Russ> Good night all.  Anne, since I got bumped my log is incomplete. Can you send to ral@halcyon.com? Many thanks.
<OutWest> http://www.redshift.com/~sparks
<cntrygal> thanks ow
<anne> will do russ
<Russ> Thanks!
<Leapin> Kim could you repeat the question on js and animated gifs? I do not recall them
anne forgets what js is?
Arthur sugests that the logs of the meetings should be posted at 825 Library.
<Mar> js is javascript
<Kim> I have an animated gif and a js script for sound, when the page loads, the sound plays , but the animated gif does not animate. Separately they work,together they do not 
<anne> ooooohhhh, shudda known
<HotWheels> Kim, the player can be placed anywhere, but it is a good idea to keep it at the top of the page so that the music starts loading right away. If it is at the bottom, the music won't start to load until everything else is loaded.
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<HotWheels> You can use Align to place it left, right, center...or the tricks we discussed tonite.
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<Laura> For those interested - I do post the class logs at http://www.ilap.com/~ljsmith follow the first link
<Leapin> Kim do you think that could be the answer? the one HotWheels gave?
<Kim> Yes, but are you saying you can use a js to set the position of the box for the player in your html doc
<histnact> I also post Class logs for our group
<OutWest> test
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<Cat> We also post logs at http://www.pcez.com/~tom/log.htm
<Kim> Currently when a sound comes up the naplayer automatically loads, though I suppose I should check  the document source, it may be embeded in there
<HotWheels> Kim, I don't know what js is....somebody else has to answer that one.
<anne> irwin aka shadrak made a javascript routine so have choices to play or not play music in both NS and MSIE, betcha there is a way to add position in it for the player too
<Leapin> Kim try putting it first and see what happens
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<anne> look at societal info group page to see it in working pages link
<Leapin> HotWheels js is short for javascript
<tommy> change Cats link to our logs to: http://www.pcez.com/~tom/cyber.htm
<Leapin> anne I bet you are right
<Sonia> Can someone send me a log since I probably have missed most
<tommy> there are links to all of the groups there also
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<anne> sonia, i will send
<histnact> ftp://clydesdale.steeds.com/net-ed/logs/
<cntrygal> OW page looks great the background is much better
<Sonia> thanx anne
<tommy> and class meetings too
<Kim> Ok, right now I have the js loaded in the head, then in the body is the sound file reference and the animated gif, ae yu suggesting to load the gif first, then the sound after?
<Cat> Thanks, Tom.  I forgot about the new URL
<Leapin> Sonia hello
<cntrygal> on the graphics page we need to change the link to the bracketeers it isn't working
<tommy> just got them up!
<Sonia> Hi Leapin
<OutWest> Yep cntrygal......Gotham worked a long time to get it all right!!
<histnact> look for filenames like CMfeb16log.txt, but don't change them
<Kim> sorry about using the shortforms, but it saves on the wear and tear of the keyboard
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<cntrygal> have to change that link thought on the graphics tutorial
<Leapin> uh oh screen freeze again!!!!
<cntrygal> doesn't go back to the bracketeers page
<Leapin> I am going to ping out I think
<Kim>  Its almost 11:00 pm on the east coast, son have to go
<Leapin> Kim sound first animated gif afterwards
<Mar> Y not cntrygal?
<HotWheels> Thankyou all for sharing your class with me...even if you made me work a little! :-)
<cntrygal> what mar?
<Leapin> it is 12am here eeks need to get up at 6am for work zzz..zzzz..zzzzzz
<Mar> thank you HotWheels 
<Kim> Would putting a timer in after the sound file help, that way the sound file loads first, then the gifs will load and work?
<Kim> maybe we should call it a night?
<OutWest> nitey nit Leapin
<Leapin> Kim that would likely help
<Mar> Why won't you go back to the Bracketeers page?
<anne> nite and thanks leapin
<Leapin> nite OutWest
<Mar> g'night Leapin
<hankh> Nite leapin!
<cntrygal> niter leapin can't wait for your tutorial
<jas> nite teach
<Cat> Nite all.  Purrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
<aBunny> night leapin...
<ingo> nite leapin
Leapin wishes everyone a good nite and thanks for coming
<Harcunaut> g'night y'all
<Kim> Ok, will do,had that suggetion earlier  just wanted to verify
<Dave_J> Same time/day next week?
<Kim> night Leapin
<HotWheels> Nite Leapin
<Sonia> night leapin
<FrankCnd1> night all!
Leapin says thank you to all who assisted in answering questions, good work everyone congrats!!!
<histnact> night leapin
<tommy> hey cntygal, the link on my page works to the Bracketeers!
<Kim> Good night all
Leapin gives everyone a pat on the back
<tommy> :-)
<Kim> night histnact
<histnact> night kim
<Mar> thanks Leapin for everything
Arthur Bye Leapin!!!!
<HotWheels> Hot Wheels bows to Leapin
<cntrygal> think so dave
<Kim> see you tuesday Histnact
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<DD> ia cntygal still in??
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Leapin says when the overlay tutorial is done I will post it on http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3641/
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<Dave_J> Ok...just making sure.  Bye all.
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<cntrygal> yes dd
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<cntrygal> hol d on 
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<Mar> g'night everyone. it's late on the east coast and I get up at 5:30
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<cntrygal> ok dd I'm here
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<cntrygal> how can I help you?
<OutWest> g'nite Mar
<DD> could you make contact....??
<cntrygal> yes hold on a minute
<OutWest> Go ahead Cntrygal
aBunny waves bye to all....
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<Sweetcake> Goodnight everyone!
<Sweetcake> Night Who!
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