
*** Log file opened: 2/23/97 9:04:35 PM
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
shadrak [irwin@irwin.pacificnet.net] has joined #room825
JimC [jrc@pacbell@ppp-206-170-66-8.nhwd02.pacbell.net] has joined #room825
<Leapin> welcome sweetcake
<shadrak> Talkin' to me leapin?
<anne> hahahahaa
<Leapin> no shadrak not talkin to you hehe
<Sweetcake> Thanks... was waiting at Pirch for the channel to appear. It did not show up in my Pirch until after I joined the channel.
SlowHands [goodeye@hd17-002.compuserve.com] has joined #room825
<Leapin> 1,0(2,03,0`4,0'5,06,0.7,01,0( 2,03,0`4,0'5,06,0.7,013,8 shadrak !!7,06,0.5,0 4,0'3,02,01,0) 7,06,0.5,0 4,0'3,02,01,0)
<shadrak> You oughta hear what that sounds like in monolog leapin!
histnact [histnact@wb18.uconect.net] has joined #room825
who [scharney@ad72-012.compuserve.com] has joined #room825
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<Sweetcake> Hello Paul!
Richard [Richard@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<who> thanx sweetcake
<Leapin> lol shadrak
Richard [Richard@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
Leapin gives shadrak a super sized hug
connie [java@pm1ar-addr11.arc.losrios.cc.ca.us] has joined #room825
flamingo [flamingo@ad56-088.compuserve.com] has joined #room825
<shadrak> Leapin how you gonna control this meeting,,,no ops?
<anne> shadrak, they are looking up the passwords to set ops
<Leapin> they are working on ops I guess
Ghatten [ghatten@hd112-195.compuserve.com] has joined #room825
<HotWheels> Leapin, you did great the other nite. If everybody keeps still, it should be OK....
<connie> Hi. I am going back out to come in thro mIRC. bye for a sec
<Ghatten> hi
Deetech [java@WSBE-TS2-slip5.ri.net] has joined #room825
<HotWheels> HI G
connie [java@pm1ar-addr11.arc.losrios.cc.ca.us] has quit IRC (connie)
medda [krantz@dark1-cs-5.dial.bright.net] has joined #room825
Blossom [kimhay@sentinel-157.kingston.net] has joined #room825
<jim> Hi Ho! Hi Ho!, it's back to Buffnet we go - NO?
Blossom is now known as Kim
shadrak [irwin@irwin.pacificnet.net] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
<jim> Hi Kim
<Leapin> HotWheels thanks :)
<Ghatten> hold on
Richard [Richard@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<Kim> Hi Jim, how are you?
<Ghatten> ops are coming
<who> ok...while connie is gone everybody change seats
<jim> Kim: a little tired. How about you?
<Kim> so whats going on, are things working ok?
Mar [user01@port-17-23.access.one.net] has joined #room825
Deetech [java@WSBE-TS2-slip5.ri.net] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
<HotWheels> Mine is on wheels...where do you want me to park, who?
connie [ferrarc@pm1ar-addr11.arc.losrios.cc.ca.us] has joined #room825
<Kim> Really busy this weekend, but we got everthing done
Richard [Richard@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
<jim> KIM: Everything was working when I last checked the site this afternoon
<JimC> Hi Bruce
<Kim> Great, we did it : )
www sets mode: +o Ghatten
<jim> Kim: And a big thanks to you.
Bruce [veggie@hutman.com] has joined #room825
FrankCnd1 [frankcnd@annex049.mscomm.com] has joined #room825
www sets mode: +o Leapin
<HotWheels> HURRAH!!!!
www sets mode: +o Leapin
Deetech [java@WSBE-TS2-slip5.ri.net] has joined #room825
<Kim> A big thanks to everyone Jim, especially you, you tied it all together
<Richard> OK, have fun
Deetech [java@WSBE-TS2-slip5.ri.net] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
DD [whitaker@206.96.81.220] has joined #room825
<histnact> Hi Kim & Jim
Leapin sets mode: +o anne
<Kim> Hi Mike (Histnact) how are you doing tonight?
Ghatten sets mode: +o who
<jim> Kim: I did the easy, fun stuff
Ghatten sets mode: +o flamingo
<jim> Hi Mike
<flamingo> thanks ghatten
<histnact> good, working
Leapin sets mode: +o Richard
<jim> Mike: missed you Thur!
<histnact> I could not log on that night.
<histnact> modemproblems
<Kim> I must say, it has been a learning experience on all the topics, I still want to learn more on the js side, but there is so much to learn, in a short period of time, when the course is over, I am going to continue on the js stuff
<jim> Mike: that'll do it every time! LOL
<Kim> What time did everyone show up on Thrus? Was it here or on buffnet?
Ghatten [ghatten@hd112-195.compuserve.com] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
<jim> Kim: good idea on JS stuff.  I was on at 8 for NE-PSG and 8:30 fo Team
Leapin says, please excuse me for a second, trying to get people from buffnet to here
FrankCnd1 is now known as OrgFrank
Ghatten [ghatten@hd87-024.compuserve.com] has joined #room825
<Ghatten> hi again
anne sets mode: +o Ghatten
<histnact> Kim: taking an local taught (SE CT USA) on advanced HTML, March 1. 5 1/2 hours one day course
karen [user01@254.seattle-004.wa.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
Troi- [pdavis@usr5ip6.azstarnet.com] has joined #room825
Leapin [neva@hfx-p58.isisnet.com] has quit IRC (EOF from client)
<histnact> next Saturday 10 am-2:30 PM EST - cost $40
<Ghatten> Looks like we are having some connection problems here 
<jim> Mike: logs for thur on our site.  Really nothing for NE-PSG; nobody showed up 
<Troi-> HI all! Hi Sweetcake!
<HotWheels> Ghatten, would you please check the url for Pixelsite. Can't get a response.
<histnact> Jim: i know, checked it out
<Ghatten> ok
Whisper [whisper97@hfx-p58.isisnet.com] has joined #room825
<anne> sometimes it is just busy tho
Ghatten sets mode: +o Whisper
Whisper is now known as leapin
<Kim> That is a lot to learn in one day, brain mush by the end of the day Histnact
John [jh7316@sl10.pstbbs.com] has joined #room825
<histnact> KIm: nice job on the logo, it looks great!
<Kim> Thanks Mike, 
Misty [java@hern-95.innet.com] has joined #room825
<leapin> hm can't see myself too strange
<leapin> anyway excuse me again, trying to get people from buff to here, not an easy thing lol
<Kim> I showed up Jim, but nobody as there from 8-8:30, then stayed from 8:30 till 8:50 an no body showed
<Misty> hello
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has joined #room825
Counselor [Counselor@cs115-10.u.washington.edu] has joined #room825
<histnact> Jim: & Kim: Tusday;s meeting logs are up  (sorry for the dealy)
shadrak [irwin@irwin.pacificnet.net] has joined #room825
<jim> Mike: thanks
leapin sets mode: +o VU_Log
leapin sets mode: +o shadrak
leapin sets mode: +o Sonia
<shadrak> thanks marm
<Sonia> Hi russ, i made it too
<Kim> ok histnact thanks, I shall check them out
Grosbeak [java@168.241.239.227] has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
Misty is now known as aBunny
<shadrak> Just stopped by..have to leave to go drinkin' soon.
<Ghatten> I can't get onto pixelsite either
<Counselor> Sorry I'm late..I couldn't get ircii to run under win95
<anne> hi and bye shadrak
ingo [a066@192.139.190.246] has joined #room825
Jan [ircle@mol14.molalla.net] has joined #room825
<HotWheels> Is pixelsite the same one that used to be on eosinc.com? found a different one with Excite...
<who> shadrak...u old enuf to drink?
<shadrak> too old..birthday party
Richard [Richard@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<jim> Kim: saw you there but missed you in the groups
<Kim> thats ok Jim, by the sounds of it , not much to do at that point and time
deetech [ride0154@WSBE-TS2-slip5.ri.net] has joined #room825
<jim> Kim: We'll chase you down this week!
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has quit IRC (Russ)
<Ghatten> Idon't know about that old url sorry
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has joined #room825
<deetech> JUst joining... what is the topic of discussion?
<shadrak> food
<HotWheels> hmmm....yours said beta Pixelsite. Eosinc had a link called Pixelsite. The guy was talking about starting to charge...wonder if he moved the site...
Jan [ircle@mol14.molalla.net] has quit IRC (Ircle was here!)
<Ghatten> No topic yet
<deetech> How does this relate to webpages...???
<anne> http://beta.pixelsite.com/
<Kim> The only night I might be late, for is Wed, the high school is having an open house, my daughter is going there next year, so we will find out what she will be doing,besides looking at boys
<HotWheels> That url tries to connect, no response.
<anne> and also at
<anne> http://www.pixelsite.com/
<Ghatten> Yes that is the URL I am using
<deetech> Did anyone else have problems win the chat room via Netscape?
<anne> you can make great titles and graphics at pixelsight
<Ghatten> Also tried the second one
<shadrak> Ghatten, will new lesson be available tonite?
<jim> Kim: You probably don't really want to know what else! LOL
<Ghatten> I think it is just busy
<Ghatten> New lesson not until tomorrow
<anne> it is down sometimes or the man who keeps it sometimes works on it on the weekends too
<Troi-> Ok.. I have a question... How do you change the font style on your web pages? not the Headline fonts... but styles such as freehand, Avante.. etc.. I just bought Claris Home Page.. and it looks like I can do it with that, but I have been using HotDogPro.. and could'nt find a way to do it.
<shadrak> Kills our team meeting
<jim> Ghatten: Got in OK using NS 4
<Ghatten> <FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS">This will be in Comic Sans MS</FONT>
<Ghatten> But beware
<deetech> Hot dog does not allow font changes but Claris shouuld and Netscape does.
<Ghatten> If the viewer does not have your chosen font
<Ghatten> It will default to the basic
<Counselor> Yeah, and not all viewers support fonts.
John [jh7316@sl10.pstbbs.com] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
<Troi-> ok.. that helps.. can I cut and paste the font commands from Claris to Hotdog?
aBunny [java@hern-95.innet.com] has quit IRC (aBunny)
tommy2 [tom@veltappp21.pcez.com] has joined #room825
aBunny [java@hern-95.innet.com] has joined #room825
<Troi-> LOL.. I know, but I have a Marketing Dir. at work who is not easy to please with the office home page I am doing.. LOL
<leapin> welcome tommy you finally made it :)
<Ghatten> That I have no idea about (cut & paste from Claris etc)
<tommy2> boy that was tough!
John [jh7316@sl4.pstbbs.com] has joined #room825
<leapin> lol tommy yes it was hehe
John [jh7316@sl4.pstbbs.com] has left #room825
John [jh7316@sl4.pstbbs.com] has joined #room825
<shadrak> Can't get on to either pixelsite right now.
leapin congratulates tommy with a WHISPER of approval
<Ghatten> You could give the viewers a place to go and GET your font if you really want to press the issue
<tommy2> lol
<Troi-> Ok.. thanks.. I will try the cut and  paste, and let you know next week if it works.
<aBunny> Is the text size here extra small? Or am I just going blind?
<leapin> :)
<tommy2> Thanks whisper!
<Ghatten> Flamingo do you have that URL For fonts around?
<leapin> you're welcome tommy glad you made it
<who> tommy2 iz that u?
<Troi-> Thanks for the info.. :)
<flamingo> Yes, ghatten brb
<leapin> lol who yes it is hehe
<tommy2> yep
<connie> it is small so I went out and back in thro MIRC, abunny.
<anne> abunny, if you are still trying pirch, you need to go change the font
<Ghatten> Text seems normal to me aBunny
<who> good...chalk one up for the goodguys
<aBunny> Did that help ?
<aBunny> no but I can go get my pirch cause this is like size 4
<shadrak> what are you using abunny
<Counselor> Yeah, and not all viewers support fonts.Is class underway yet?
<aBunny> Netscape Gold
<anne> abunny, the only person who can see your font size is you 
<aBunny> great
<aBunny> heh
<flamingo> Font url  http://fontlinks.eyecandy.com/archives.html
shadrak says TTYL
Beej [beej.cyr@lvx-nv6-08.ix.netcom.com] has joined #room825
shadrak [irwin@irwin.pacificnet.net] has left #room825
<Troi-> Thanks Flamingo!
<Ghatten> Class is nomially underway
<Ghatten> Beware!!
<tommy2> Hi Counselor, I enjoyed your pages and appreciated the info!
<flamingo> It is a wonderful list of font urls
<Ghatten> Telling someone to d/l a font is likely to tick them off hehe
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has quit IRC (Russ)
Counselor says thank you
<HotWheels> Abunny, if you are using mIRC, click on tools/font to make it bigger
<Ghatten> Fonts can be fun
Rakam [rakam@dial72.brunet.bn] has joined #room825
<Ghatten> If you want to use a font for creative effect it would be better to make it into a textual graphic
<aBunny> Thanks HotWheels but i'm using Netscape Gold, and the font size wouldn't change, tried it
<Ghatten> But you still have to consider those without graphics!!
<deetech> Does anyone know how font size reacts on a screen reader?
<Troi-> Thanks.. I will remember that.. and now I have some info to counter with the Marketing Dir.. I am sure she dosen't want to tick any of our future or present clients off.. :)
Gollum [gollumnyc@dd03-103.compuserve.com] has joined #room825
<Counselor> It does not react at all on a screen reader...
Virginia [v_blalock@Cust79.Max12.Houston2.TX.MS.UU.NET] has joined #room825
<Gollum> oh, for god sakes,,,here now david
<tommy2> amen!
<deetech> so on a screen reader no matter what font style it reads the same/
<Counselor> Yes, exactly.
<aBunny> brb
<HotWheels> deetech, the font appears smaller if you are set at a high resolution, larger if at a low resolution.
<Ghatten> I wanted to take a few minutes to addresss a question John emailed.
<Ghatten> Hi John
Ghatten waves
<John> Hi Ghatten
<deetech> Since my page is going to be for special education I just wanted to make sure that people with special needs can read the info
leapin sets mode: +o John
<jim> Is there going to be a "formal" class tonight?
<leapin> john you can talk about your concern 
<Ghatten> Jim, the class is always sorta informal
<John> Ok, let's talk about validation of pages..
<Ghatten> Yes, John, please 
leapin says, all....John is going to field questions about compliance and html
<jim> Ghatten: got it
<Counselor> deetech, check out my page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2122/webpage.html for more info on this.
leapin says...John is in the know about validation and compliance
<deetech> thanks! counselor
Greycell [hwhitman@205.216.144.4] has joined #room825
<leapin> John go ahead
aBunny [java@hern-95.innet.com] has quit IRC (aBunny)
<leapin> welcome GreyCell!!!!!!!!
<leapin> made it I see
<Greycell> thanx, it took awhile
<David> hey greycell, welcome!  
leapin congratulates GreyCell with a WHISPER of approval
<DD> a stupid question? How, if I have an address, would I create a link within that address? Say I want to make another page to reference a particular item/
<Greycell> hello, hello, hello
<Ghatten> John is preparing
<leapin> DD could you reask that question .. reword?
aBunny [mistyblue@hern-95.innet.com] has joined #room825
<Gollum> hey Greycell
<Greycell> yes gollum
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has joined #room825
leapin sets mode: +o aBunny
<aBunny> hooray for me! I can see :)
<aBunny> thanks leapin
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has quit IRC (Russ)
<John> I'll start by asking is validation important???
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has joined #room825
<leapin> np bunny
<aBunny> ;)
<Ghatten> I think validation is important
<leapin> bunny why are you russ and bunny at the sametime?
<Ghatten> to an extent
<tommy2> What is validation?
jim [jmauney@168.241.239.227] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<Ghatten> Good question tommy
<aBunny> Ummm I have no idea? hehehe
<DD> I have an address provided by server. This address I set up a home page. SAy I would like to provide another page to cover a particular topic, How would I do this, with only one address?
<John> Validation is when a Web page conforms to a given DTD..
who pays a shrink big bucks for validation
<Ghatten> I was thought some people might want to know that
jim [jmauney@168.241.239.227] has joined #room825
<connie> dtd?
<Ghatten> What that means is that the HTML on a particualr page
<leapin> dd just call the second section samething else and make a direct link to it.. 
<John> DTD - Document Type Definition
<Gollum> gollum has dumb question....
<Ghatten> Meets the standards set out for the level of HTML which is being used.
<leapin> for instance your main page  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/index.html   DD
<Ghatten> HTML has different standards by which you can "write" a page
<DD> i'm following. next
<leapin> DD but your second link could be http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/howtos.html
kate [cpacey@ppp02-28.net.uoguelph.ca] has joined #room825
<Ghatten> For example...the most current is HTML 3.2
<leapin> as long as you have a file in that directory called in this case howtos.html and one called index.html
<DD> and this can be accessed even though i only have a single page on my server/
<Ghatten> A page can be "Vaildated"
aBunny [mistyblue@hern-95.innet.com] has quit IRC (EOF from client)
<Ghatten> by a service that checks your page to see if it meets 3.2
<John> The Cougar DTD will be the next DTD to be released...
<leapin> DD yes as long as you have the second .html in your directory for that page
<Ghatten> http://www.ccs.org/validate/  <<-----A link to several vaildation tools
<Sweetcake> CSE 3310 HTML Validator's Home Page  http://htmlvalidator.com/  has a very good HTML shareware validator that one can download. It works very well and catches many mistakes. 
<DD> thnx
<OrgFrank> What about DR HTML?
<Gollum> cathes stupid mistakes too, that don't matter.
<Ghatten> Validation is important in cases where you have to be sure your page will be read correctly
<Ghatten> Such as a business web site
<John> Dr HTML is fine also, along with WebTechs online service
<Counselor> My page has a list of vaidator links on it as well.
aBunny [mistyblue@hern-95.innet.com] has joined #room825
<leapin> DD try these two, they are both on the same account (page)  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3641/   and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3641/howtos.html
<Kim> Leapin- any thoughts on this weeks coming assignment
<tommy2> So is it basically a "spellchecker", only for html tags?
<Ghatten> LOL
<Gollum> one question pleaseeeeeeeeee
<Ghatten> Sort of
<Ghatten> Yes Gollum?
<leapin> Kim this weeks coming assignment is an easy one, tables, frames and forms... it is easy because the next is a killer 
<tommy2> checks for boo boos
<Ghatten> hey
<tommy2> lol
<John> Not always... SGML parsers look for errors in HTML, spell checking is another matter
<Gollum> I have netscape 3.0, but unable to use java.. still have windows 3.11 do I need 95?
<Ghatten> It does not look for SPELLING errors but HTML errors
<anne> Dr HTML does note words that it thinks may be misspelled tho
<leapin> Kim it shows you a few simple tricks, and then asks you to do a few challenges, nothing that most will have any difficulty with
<Ghatten> So if you dropped a </FONT> tag or added a extra <CENTER> tag it would let you know
<Troi-> Cool.. I have already done the tables and forms on my office page, now I can learn the Frames. :)
<deetech> What do you mean by HTML errors... pages that do not link correctly?
<Ghatten> No
<Kim> You mean we get a reprieve from last weeks challenges Leapin, we can breathe now?
<Ghatten> Misplaced, missing or misused HTML tags
<leapin> Troi the frames is probably the hardest of the assignment, it wants you to learn how to make the different pages load in the same frame, easy once you know how ;)
<John> HTML errors may be a case where tags are not used in the proper order
<Ghatten> For EXAMPLE
<Troi-> I think you are talking about 2 different things here.. A validation checker for validating your page with other browsers, and a HTML code checker.. am I right?
<Ghatten> If you were checking for compliance to HTML
<leapin> Kim LOL  yes you can breath easy ;) but the next one will not be so easy, it will require a group effort for sure
<Ghatten> 3.2 and you used a <MARQUEE> tag
<leapin> Kim this one will make you laugh no doubt hehe
<Ghatten> It would tell you that it was not valid for HTML 3.2
<Ghatten> Because it is an MSIE extension
<leapin> as most groups have already incorporated most of the stuff in their pages already :)
<jim> Leapin: we don't have much "group" left. LOL
char [nashland@cnc125062.concentric.net] has joined #room825
Bruce [veggie@hutman.com] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<leapin> jim only the strong survive ;)  so I guess that makes you one of them :)
<Kim> Time to pull up our socks Net-ed Group, course if we pull them any higher we will be wearing them as toques
<Troi-> ok, so what is coming up in the lesson after this one? Now that you have made me curious?
<tommy2> lol
<leapin> lol Kim hahaha
char [nashland@cnc125062.concentric.net] has left #room825
<leapin> Troi the grand finally hehe  it's a secret *grin*
<Troi-> oh you... LOL
<tommy2> Ghatten, please continue..
<who> remember I know where the Frog Disection kits are!
<Ghatten> Some of the validators will give you options to check if it meets HTML 3.2 MSIE or "Mozilla"
<leapin> who lololol
<Ghatten> I think it is important that you at least KNOW
<Ghatten> how you page looks to a validator
<Gollum> validators make me crazy with font= or font face=
<John> KGV depends on the Doctype statement for validation
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
<Ghatten> And carefully consider the results
<Counselor> Leapin and Ghatten, perhaps you should give everyone the code for checking which browser is being used.  Many of us might find it useful.
<Mar> who is KGV? please?
<John> You have to use the correct DTD for font or font face
Beej [beej.cyr@lvx-nv6-08.ix.netcom.com] has quit IRC (Its been so great talking to you all.)
<tommy2> So are there tags that will display the "Marquee" in Nestcape and Mozilla's "Blink" in MSIE?
<leapin> Counselor oh no, you will be searching for that code shortly hehehe
leapin winks to Counselor, the next lesson...the next lesson hehe
<Ghatten> No
<Ghatten> You cannot see the <MARQUEE> in Netscape
<John> Kinder, Gentler, validation service. The URL was posted earlier
<Ghatten> Because Netscape does not support it
<Counselor> Ok, Leapin...  :)
<leapin> no Marquee in NS unless you use javascript
<tommy2> Thats what I call standardization!
OrgFrank [frankcnd@annex049.mscomm.com] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
<Troi-> Ok.. I have another question.. On Tables.. I have several tables all on one page.. All are at 80%.. 1-18 rows, 2 columns. The info in some of them are varied, so all my tables are not equal in the column sections.. Can I fix this or not?
<leapin> to have a scrolling marquee in NS you have to use java or javascript
<Ghatten> or animated gifs
<tommy2> thats the lesson after next?
<Ghatten> And also as far as I know MSIE does not blink
<tommy2> nope
<John> Blink is a Netscape tag
<leapin> Troi yes you can, by seperating the tables and adjusting the size, or by using the <br> tag in the right place so the line does not push the table column, you can also in the <td> tag set the % each column should take
<Counselor> Remember, too, tables will look different on different browsers.
<leapin> Troi for example  <td align="center" width="%50"> and have the second <td> tag set to %50 as well
<Troi-> ahhh.. ok.. I will try those suggestions then.. I have NS 3.0
<leapin> that way neither can take more then half the width of the table
<tommy2> Troi, gold?
<Troi-> cool.. Thanks for the help!
<leapin> Troi np
<Troi-> nope Tommy just the regular.. :)
Empedoclz [mfriel@thecity.sfsu.edu] has joined #room825
<Ghatten> It is probably a good idea to discuss validation with your group...since part of the goal for the class is to have a page that adheres to HTML standards....BUT if you must use extensions you can justify that..just no "bad" code LOL
<Troi-> already have a couple of html editors.. did'nt see the need for another..
<Empedoclz> hello
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has joined #room825
<HotWheels> Counselor, how would a table look diffrent in IE than it does in Netscape?
<tommy2> gold makes everything much easier, but still fine tune pages in notepad
leapin sets mode: +o aBunny
<Ghatten> Are ya'll tired of hearing about validation?
aBunny smiles at leapin
<tommy2> yep
<connie> you bet.
<DD> me too
<anne> we have a homework page the displays fine in MSIE but the right column bumps into a table border in NS
<flamingo> Also, tables look different depending what size monitor/resolution one is using.
<leapin> HotWheels both NS and MSIE have different tags and ways of interpreting/aligning compatible tags, and therefore do display them differently oddly enough
<Ghatten> or what size you open the browser window!!
<leapin> tables look terrible on most laptops!!!
<leapin> no bgcolor at all :(
<Counselor> Are there going to be any announcements tonight?  If not, I need to go figure out why ircii won't run in win95..
<Kim> I guess laptops need better videocards 
<leapin> kim for sure!!
<Ghatten> No major annoucements Counselor.  Good Luck.
<Counselor> And, tables even different on lynx and other text browsers.
<Troi-> well I have to go for about 15 min.. will try  to get back here then, if anyone is still here.. :)
Troi- [pdavis@usr5ip6.azstarnet.com] has left #room825
<leapin> okay Troi take care
<leapin> There are 35 members of #room825 (9 are ops and 0 are service bots)  25% of #room825 is occupied by ops
<connie> question...
<leapin> okay connie
<leapin> ask ghatten hehe
<connie> Do we have a chat place and time..
leapin ducks
<connie> for across group meetings?
Empedoclz has been away visiting his family.......on planet vx67...in a galaxy far far away...
Tatyana [tatyana@stjhts18c44.nbnet.nb.ca] has joined #room825
<Tatyana> evening
jim [jmauney@168.241.239.227] has left #room825
<Ghatten> ask Ghatten what?
<Ghatten> I missed something!
<Kim> welcome back Jim
Travis [java@ts67ip143.cadvision.com] has joined #room825
leapin thinks it would be nice if anyone good/experienced with java and/or javascript would volunteer by sending email to ghatten and me to assist in a cross group lesson or two :)
<connie> yeah
<deetech> Time is marching on for me too... thanks for the information on validation. something new to me.
<leapin> yeah
<tommy2> yes.. thank you John
<connie> not just java - even newbie enough - just beyond 821 stuff
<leapin> soooo hint hint I will be checking my email hehe
deetech [ride0154@WSBE-TS2-slip5.ri.net] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<aBunny> hmmmmm
leapin asks is anyone here sufficient in java/javascript?
<Ghatten> Ah Ghatten thinks that is a good idea too
<Counselor> And, tables even different on lynx and other text browsers./me waves goodbye
<Mar> I have done a little, very little but I'm not good.
Travis [java@ts67ip143.cadvision.com] has quit IRC (Travis)
<leapin> bye Counselor
<connie> A safe place to ask dumb questions would be nice.
<tommy2> bye Counselor
<leapin> Mar could you assist in answering basic questions?
<Kim> no questions are dumb Connie
<Sweetcake> bye Jeff!
Counselor [Counselor@cs115-10.u.washington.edu] has left #room825
<Mar> very basic
<tommy2> here is as good a place as any Connie
ll2e [little@198.161.89.195] has joined #room825
<Mar> when and where?
<connie> thanks but I type slow and
<leapin> connie there is no such things as a dumb question  dumb = not asking
<tommy2> lol
<connie> freak out in the big group
<tommy2> LOL
<leapin> Mar good then basic is all that is needed
<tommy2> this is small compared to last week!
<Mar> my pleasure.
<connie> duh
<leapin> Mar email me and ghatten when you get a chance
<connie> I am short in so many areas
<Mar> soon as we leave here
<Kim> I am sure we have the same questions, only we feel that they are dumb so none gets asked, ask away Connie
<connie> ok I am switching
<connie> from Mac to PC
<connie> and used to use BBEdit
<Ghatten> http://www.delorie.com/web/wpbcv.html
<Ghatten> http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~gerald/lynx-me.cgi
<connie> now I have Notepad  :(
<Ghatten> These two links will help you to see how your page may look to a person with a less advanced browser
<leapin> connie notepad is the best way to learn
<connie> I tried downloading EDitPad - recommended by Tucows
<connie> but it uploads into MS WORKS
<connie> why I dunno
<Ghatten> The first one allows you to "take out" elements like frames etc...the second shows you how the page looks in Lynx
<leapin> disadvantage browser hahaha how politically correct lol
<tommy2> cool Ghattten
<Ghatten> Can be  useful tools
<tommy2> been looking for something like that
OutWest [pwsparks@pm4-sal-59.redshift.com] has joined #room825
leapin sets mode: +o OutWest
Gollum [gollumnyc@dd03-103.compuserve.com] has left #room825
<leapin> 1,0(2,03,0`4,0'5,06,0.7,01,0( 2,03,0`4,0'5,06,0.7,013,8 OutWest !!7,06,0.5,0 4,0'3,02,01,0) 7,06,0.5,0 4,0'3,02,01,0)
<OutWest> Tnx leapin
<leapin> np out missed ya
Empedoclz captain we are being scanned..
<John> Connie... try Hotdog or Webber (HTML editors for PC)
<aBunny> oh cool!
OutWest BLUSHES LOL
<Ghatten> Yes we are being scanned?
<leapin> empedoclz we are?
<leapin> lol
<connie> thanks john.
leapin thinks Out looks great in crimsom *grin*
<Empedoclz> yep....
<OutWest> yippee sue fits well leapin
<leapin> empedoclz hmm maybe that is why my hd has been reading like crazy lol
David [dleung@fhost206.v-wave.com] has left #room825
<Ghatten> Does anyone have something to contribute?
<Ghatten> Useful URLS
<Russ> what does scanned mean
<leapin> Out blush and crimsom do go well together hehe
<Ghatten> HInts, tips etc
<tommy2> Connie, Netscape Gold does the trick for me
<Ghatten> Russ I was teasing but VU is logging
OutWest (sheepishly) asks "What did I miss???"
<leapin> RIFF|
<Ghatten> In the hopes of making logs for those who cannot visit class
<anne> found a url today for making teeny photos look good from big ones on someones pages
<Ghatten> Please share it
<Mar> I do, my group wants pages that are scaled to 600 but that is too large for others. is there a solution for both?
<connie> I have downloading problems. Will try hotdog or Gold agin.
<aBunny> what is it anne?
<Empedoclz> well here is an url that u may want to write down....http//www.ilar.com/folkweb.htm..
<anne> http://www.iit.edu/~trygray/article.html
leapin is now known as WhisperAFK
WhisperAFK is ~ 4away ~ 5be back in a few ~ Pager is [5-on-] ~ /ctcp WhisperAFK page <message / reason> ~ Messages Logged ~
<Tatyana> why empedoclz
HotWheels [cgortat@eos29.eosinc.com] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
<Empedoclz> there is some cool warez there
bink1 [rmarty@cnc018087.concentric.net] has joined #room825
<Empedoclz> like can u say....web server....
<tommy2> that reminds me, what is Warez?
<Empedoclz> software...
<Dave_J> Pirated programs, generally.
<Ghatten> Hmmm Usually software which is Ahem, pirated
<Empedoclz> the warez channel is usually ppl pirating
<tommy2> sounds like something I should avoid?
<Ghatten> I can't in good conscience recommend same
<who> emp: url wrong!
<Tatyana> that's true
<Empedoclz> well that is a shareware site
<Empedoclz> is it now
HotWheels [cgortat@eos29.eosinc.com] has joined #room825
OutWest asks Ghatten wud sum 1 who is loggin pswe send me a cy???  TNX
<Empedoclz> hmm let me check who
karen [user01@254.seattle-004.wa.dial-access.att.net] has left #room825
No one in your notify list is on IRC
<aBunny> I logged into a channel of warez once w/expierenced friend, and you have to really know what your doing, cause most will just take from you, and give back partial programs in exchange
<tommy2> OutWest What is your email?
harpsong is on IRC
<Empedoclz> http://www.ilar.com/folkweb.htm
lynette [ljstewar@ts0811.gamewood.net] has joined #room825
<Empedoclz> that is corrrect
Ghatten says does not recommend playing with warez
<Ghatten> LOL
<aBunny> I agree
Ghatten is a safe surf kitty
<who> emp: no colon first time
<aBunny> but is was fun
<aBunny> ;)
<tommy2> sounds good to me
<Laura> outwest it will be posted to http://www.ilap.com/~ljsmith tomorrow night
<tommy2> :-)
<Empedoclz> well them guys are theives on the regular channel..
<Empedoclz> well folkweb web server is great software for win 95 win nt
<Empedoclz> computers
<Kim> Well, is there anything else, that we need to discuss or can we call it a night?
<Ghatten> Let's change the subject please
<Empedoclz> it allows u to set yourself up to serve cgi1.1 compliant web documents
<Empedoclz> and it is from a company in san fran...where i happen to live
<Ghatten> Is there anything ELSE anyone would like to share 
<aBunny> I finally understand navigational links! heheee
<aBunny> If anybody needs any help just ask me after class
<Ghatten> Good!
<Mar> thank you Anne for the E last week, may I impose on  you again this week? 
<aBunny> :)
<Ghatten> Any topics of questions>
<Ghatten> Or questions
<tommy2> Is there anything our fearless leaders would like to share?
<tommy2> :-)
<Ghatten> Anything we can PREPARE for next week LOL
<Ghatten> Fearless?
<tommy2> lol
<Empedoclz> heh heh..
Ghatten cowers under chair until right b4 class LOL
<Kim> Well, will be leaving now, take care all for another week
<aBunny> Will there be another class after this class is over....heheee I'm a glutton for punishment!
<Russ> Ghatten...is lesson3 info for our sent directly to you and leapin or posted to the homework site on the classroom page at VU?
<anne> sure will mar, send me your email again just to be safe
Empedoclz daredevil the man w/o fear...
<Mar> premature question on forms in  order?
Kim [kimhay@sentinel-157.kingston.net] has left #room825
<Mar> mvandt@one.net 
<Ghatten> Lesson 3 info if sent to VU for homeework
<Mar> thanks Anne
<Ghatten> is sent to both Leapin and Myself
Troi- [pdavis@usr6ip31.azstarnet.com] has joined #room825
<Ghatten> Please save the forms questions for next week 
<Mar> got it.
<Ghatten> But that gives me a topic LOL
<anne> anybody else want me to send a log?
<Ghatten> This class is about GROUP input
aBunny nudges anne
<connie> Log for me, Anne. Thanks. After forms and tables, etc. what is the killer topic?
<anne> tee-hee ok
<Ghatten> IS there anything that anyone ELSE wants to discusss
<Tatyana> we only have 3 weeks left, right?
<Ghatten> oh Anne...
<Ghatten> Killer topic
<Ghatten> Use of Java Applets and Use of JavaScript
SMILE [rakam@dial72.brunet.bn] has joined #room825
WhisperAFK has kicked SMILE from #room825 (Lose the clone)
<Ghatten> LOL
<aBunny> YIKES!
<connie> yipes!
<Ghatten> Note the USE of
<anne> whew
SMILE [rakam@dial72.brunet.bn] has joined #room825
WhisperAFK has kicked SMILE from #room825 (Lose the clone)
<Mar> my feelings too Anne
<who> whats JAVA?
<Dave_J> Are there any quick and dirty tips to sizing graphics on a page?
<Ghatten> Hopefully
<Ghatten> No one will be "afraid" 
<Ghatten> of the topic after the outline
<Greycell> height and width with img tag
<John> Java is similar to C++
<Ghatten> It is the same TYPE of programming language
<tommy2> oh, that explains everything!
<Empedoclz> yep..there ya are then....no "small" feat...c by itself is'nt easy...
<tommy2> lol
<Troi-> LOL Tommy
<Ghatten> LOL
<Ghatten> hehehe
<Mar> Using javascript and applets is not  writing java. just using it.
<who> done...now whats lesson 5
<Ghatten> No, and not one Iis expected to be a programmer
<Greycell> but i onlly know ada
<Ghatten> Ok
<Empedoclz> well a script is translated not compiled
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
<Ghatten> I think class is over tonight
<Troi-> Ghatten I agree... thats why they have all the software programs to do it for you.. :)
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has joined #room825
<Ghatten> I hope there was some info that was shared of use
<Empedoclz> well ada and java are also a lot alike...
<Empedoclz> from what i hear....
VU_Log sets mode: -o VU_Log
<Empedoclz> sort of like c++ /ada mix....== java
<John> It's been interesting..
<Troi-> I received alot of good info tonight.. Thank you to all who answered my question, and had input.
<Greycell> not if one is interpreted and the other compiled
<who> i know FORTRAN
Tatyana [tatyana@stjhts18c44.nbnet.nb.ca] has left #room825
Ghatten says goodnight all
<anne> nite and thanks
<lynette> bye teach!
<SlowHands> thanks Ghatten
<tommy2> gnight
<aBunny> Goodnight teach!
who waves to Ghatten
<Ghatten> Bye
SlowHands [goodeye@hd17-002.compuserve.com] has left #room825
<John> L8r
<OutWest> Nite nite Ghaten & leapin
<ll2e> thanks ghatten
<Empedoclz> yes java and java script are two different languages...i would think
<Mar> goodnight Ghatten, goodnight everyone. thanks. 
<Russ> <Russ> Bye
<histnact> yes thanks all. i learned alot
<ingo> nite Ghatten
<who> back to klk
flamingo says goodnight, too!
<Troi-> Good Night all!!!
Dave_J [dej@shoga.wwa.com] has left #room825
<Greycell> ttfn
JimC [jrc@pacbell@ppp-206-170-66-8.nhwd02.pacbell.net] has left #room825
Troi- [pdavis@usr6ip31.azstarnet.com] has left #room825
flamingo [flamingo@ad56-088.compuserve.com] has left #room825
<Empedoclz> nite ghatten and leapin
Mar [user01@port-17-23.access.one.net] has left #room825
Ghatten [ghatten@hd87-024.compuserve.com] has left #room825
Greycell [hwhitman@205.216.144.4] has left #room825
John [jh7316@sl4.pstbbs.com] has left #room825
Sonia [putneym@ts16ip70.cadvision.com] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
WhisperAFK is now known as Whisper
kate [cpacey@ppp02-28.net.uoguelph.ca] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
Whisper is ~ 4back ~ 5did I miss anything?! ~ after 18 minutes ~
OutWest [pwsparks@pm4-sal-59.redshift.com] has left #room825
<anne> LOL
<DD> goodnite
<who> ha
DD [whitaker@206.96.81.220] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<aBunny> ya the meetings over
<tommy2> just the whole meeting!
<aBunny> hheheheee
<Empedoclz> well guess i will go also
<anne> nite leapin, don't forget the other stuff ok
Whisper is now known as leapin
<leapin> lol anne
<leapin> nite
anne [ahartman@biras117.wwnet.com] has left #room825
<tommy2> goodnight all
<Empedoclz> goodnight everyone..=)
Empedoclz [mfriel@thecity.sfsu.edu] has quit IRC (EOF from client)
<who> leapin...like this
<who>  WhisperAFK is ~ away ~ be back in a few ~ Pager is [-on-] ~ /ctcp WhisperAFK page <message / reason> ~ Messages Logged ~
<who> <Tatyana> why empedoclz
<who> <Empedoclz> there is some cool warez there
<who> <Empedoclz> like can u say....web server....
<who> <tommy2> that reminds me, what is Warez?
<who> <Empedoclz> software...
<who> <Dave_J> Pirated programs, generally.
<who> <Ghatten> Hmmm Usually software which is Ahem, pirated
<who> <Empedoclz> the warez channel is usually ppl pirating
<who> <tommy2> sounds like something I should avoid?
<who> <Ghatten> I can't in good conscience recommend same
<who> > emp: url wrong!
<who> <Tatyana> that's true
<who> <E
<who> and then....
<who> u want more?
<tommy2> NOI
JR [jmiller@PPPf.atnet.net] has joined #room825
<leapin> did dave-j leave?
bink1 [rmarty@cnc018087.concentric.net] has left #room825
ingo [a066@192.139.190.246] has left #room825
jt [java@feeble.helix.net] has joined #room825
<aBunny> I don't know leapin
<aBunny> I think so
JimC [jrc@pacbell@ppp-206-170-66-8.nhwd02.pacbell.net] has joined #room825
<who> Sweet...u log?
tommy2 [tom@veltappp21.pcez.com] has left #room825
<Sweetcake> yes of course!
Russ [java@evt-mx100-ip171.halcyon.com] has quit IRC (Russ)
<who> u post it?
<leapin> thanks abunny I just scolled back and had an answer for his question re making graphics smaller
<Sweetcake> will post first thing tomorrow on our page!
<leapin> does anyone else need to know how?
<who> k
<who> me me me
<Rakam> Hello Leapin, I am from Emailers Group, We need help
<aBunny> tell anyways leapin
<aBunny> I'd like to know
<leapin> okay if you want to make a graphic smaller and still maintain resolution....
<leapin> use a package like paintshop pro
<leapin> and then...
<leapin> increase the color depth to 16 million
<Rakam> Leapin, it is something different ..
<aBunny> okay
<leapin> then hit "resample" and change it to the size you like
<JR> Just introductory. 
<leapin> then save it 
jt [java@feeble.helix.net] has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
<aBunny> ohhhhhhhhhhhhh that's what you meant by resample
<leapin> it will look the same as far as resolution goes, just smaller
<aBunny> thanks leapin!!
<aBunny> GREAT!  I kept your note when you mentioned that the last time
<leapin> np I found that out with the site I am working on
<aBunny> now i understand
aBunny thanks leapin
<Rakam> Well, leapin, I have some requests to you
<leapin> just changing the attribute in html makes the resolution ekky
<leapin> Rakam go ahead
<aBunny> :) thanks leapin
<Rakam> I am from Emailers Group, thoughe we communicate through emails
<leapin> no problem bunny :)
<Rakam> We feel that we need our own channel
<leapin> okay Rakam and what do you need assistance with?
<leapin> Rakam what kind of channel?
<Rakam> I mean Emailers Channerl where we could gather and have assistance
jt [java@geisha.helix.net] has joined #room825
<Rakam> and discussion 
<Rakam> how could we set up our own channel???
<leapin> Rakam do you all have access to a browser?
<Rakam> yes,, I have.... but mIRC like is seem a lot better and faster...
<leapin> if so, just go to the VU campus and enter class 825  then go to live chat "new" and enter
<leapin> that will put you on #room825 irc chat
<leapin> hold your meetings that way
<Rakam> but live chat there is a bit slow.... and none us feel like going there...
<leapin> the only other option is to have all group members download/install irc software and join the same server
<leapin> much more complicated
<Rakam> if it had been through mIRC like this would be a lot better
<connie> she is right, rakam
<leapin> Rakam have you all tried the "new" feature, it is quick
<Rakam> yes, most of them have mirc software....
<Rakam> but we need our own channel, don't we???
<Sweetcake> Is it OK to use IRC and just create a channel on here with whatever study group name we have?
<leapin> Rakam if all have mIRC software, then simply agree on the server that you will use, ie) undernet or zia etc.. and then create your own channel by typing...
<leapin> type     /join #emailers
<leapin> for example
<leapin> Sweetcake yes you can create your own channel
<Sweetcake> Jeff [Counselor] sent in our request already to VU. There was a note from VU that we had to request a channel and reserve a time and slot to hold our meetings!
<Rakam> so we could create our own channel by ourselves???
<leapin> the other good server is   irc.buffnet.net:6667
<Rakam> I thought it got to be allocated...
<leapin> Rakam yes you can
<connie> how does op work?
<Sweetcake> I wote a note to VU and asked why we needed to reserve a channel and time since we can just go there and meet and create a channel and they wrote back and said that that may change in the future
<Rakam> never realized that ..... BTW do need special kind of permission from Sys OP
<leapin> Rakam I do not think so, I created #frogpond here without a problem
<who> Rakam: on buffnet & ZIA simply typing /join #newchannel will open a channel
<leapin> Rakam I think you go through the VU if you want the channel to stay indefinitely
jt [java@geisha.helix.net] has quit IRC (jt)
<leapin> but if you don't mind creating it each time you will be fine
corncrake [java@dd22-003.compuserve.com] has joined #room825
<Rakam> Thanks, leapin, giving me such fruitful ideas.....
<leapin> lol Rakam my pleasure hehe
<HotWheels> leapin, if I create a channel on, say, Sprynet, is there a way to set up a password?
<Sweetcake> Glad to hear it because we have been waiting for a reply to our request for a channel because we have one member of our study group who has not been able to paritcipate because she cannot install anything on the computer she uses at work and wants to use the chat thing at VU to join our meetings.
<leapin> HotWheels to go through sprynet you need to ask permission of VU to get a password, however if you use dalnet you do not have to ask permission
<leapin> on dalnet just type   /help
<HotWheels> Thanks.
<leapin> and the instructions to setup your own channel with passwords will be listed
<leapin> also you can /msg nickserver and have your nick registered so nobody else can use it
jt [java@geisha.helix.net] has joined #room825
Virginia [v_blalock@Cust79.Max12.Houston2.TX.MS.UU.NET] has left #room825
leapin sets mode: +o VU_Log
<HotWheels> Ok. My group has some members that cannot access the chat thru the VU java applet.
leapin sets mode: +o connie
leapin sets mode: +o corncrake
leapin sets mode: +o histnact
<aBunny> I forgot all about that one leapin, thanks
JimC [jrc@pacbell@ppp-206-170-66-8.nhwd02.pacbell.net] has left #room825
leapin sets mode: +o HotWheels
leapin sets mode: +o JR
leapin sets mode: +o jt
leapin sets mode: +o Laura
leapin sets mode: +o ll2e
leapin sets mode: +o lynette
leapin sets mode: +o medda
leapin sets mode: +o Rakam
leapin sets mode: +o Sweetcake
<Sweetcake> If anyone can access www.zia.com port:6667 from an IRC client, why would
<Sweetcake> > you need to schedule a time and reserve a slot for a study group? When
<Sweetcake> > one uses an IRC client or enters the chat thing from the java applet on
<Sweetcake> > the VU page you can creat channels at will by using the /join command.
<Sweetcake> > Was wondering why we would need to reserve a spot if we can just go
<Sweetcake> > there and create a channel? Thanks for explaining this to us. I am not
<Sweetcake> > the group leader for my study group.   This is the message I sent to VU. and the following is the reply that I received!    First, this is a secure server and the /join command will likely be
<Sweetcake> disabled.  But far more important, with 24 hours in a day and seven
<Sweetcake> days in the week, scheduling a meeting will serve as a hard and fast
<Sweetcake> commitment of when people should meet for specific reasons,
<Sweetcake> rather than what has been going on the past month:  everyone shows
<Sweetcake> up at a different time, types, "Nobody here I guess?" and leaves.
<Sweetcake> Regards,
<Sweetcake> Webmaster 
<leapin> op party :)
<leapin> lol sweetcake you sure type fast!!!!
<HotWheels> Some have AOL - can't use mirc or pirch & can't use the java applet at VU
<Sweetcake> See the reply I received from VU about just creating a study group channel every time we need it?
<Sweetcake> cut and paste!
<leapin> lol
<Sweetcake> It seems that VU does not want us to just come here and use zia and create our own study group channel!
<aBunny> LOL
<leapin> this is the first time I have seen an entire channel oped lol
<VU_Log> For the record, the /join command will not work here when Spring classes get underway.
<VU_Log> Other than to join rooms that already exist
<HotWheels> Well....isn't Sprynet DONATING or sponsoring VU?
<VU_Log> Sprynet is a sponsor, allowing us to make payroll.  What does that have to do with structured rooms at zia?
<Sweetcake> we have not moved yet and are still waiting for permission.. still holding study group on buffnet but we wish to move so the other person in our group who wants to join our IRC session can join.
<HotWheels> Wouldn't they like to "keep" us in house? Just for the PR if nothing else.
<leapin> did we get any volunteers to help out with a java/javascripted combined group irc session?
<VU_Log> The secure server issue is the deciding factor.
<Sweetcake> VU_log ... how long until requests for channels and times for this semester will be handed out? Our leader forwarded an application for a spot.
<leapin> my email is still empty
<HotWheels> Gotta go, folks. Thanks for another informative evening!
HotWheels [cgortat@eos29.eosinc.com] has left #room825
<leapin> bye hot
<leapin> hmm is all stopped?
leapin does the froggie dance of joy
<leapin> how many here would be interested in an irc class next semester?
<connie> me!! very!!
<leapin> 6hrs and I am up for work :(..
<aBunny> I would! me me me hehee
aBunny ducks
<leapin> connie we are planning one now, I was asked today to pass in a proposal
<leapin> abunny smack lol
<connie> great
<aBunny> oh really? Cool leapin!!!
<aBunny> heheee
<leapin> you could help abunny
<aBunny> I could try
leapin is really not violent lol
<connie> do you mean an IRC and HTML class, or just IRC?
<aBunny> :)
<leapin> connie yes it will look something like this, 1) downloading and installing irc software
<leapin> 2) the basic commands and getting around
<leapin> 3) more complex commands and still getting around
<Rakam> And any classes on USE NET Group
<leapin> 4) using ascii art and scripts
<aBunny> hmmmm
<aBunny> oh oh oh ya ya ya 
<leapin> how does that sound?
<aBunny> heheee
<Sweetcake> I'd love a class that would teach me all about PIRCH and IRC commands. I do good enought just to get connected!
corncrake [java@dd22-003.compuserve.com] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
<leapin> lol
<aBunny> I love ascii art
<connie> 3 cool
<Rakam> No classes on InterNET News??
<leapin> Rakam no no usenet here
<leapin> abunny me too
<connie>  2and it sounds more managable than what I am in now!
ll2e [little@198.161.89.195] has left #room825
<aBunny> I found some really cool links to ascii art on yahoo
<leapin> there will be 4 2 hour classes
<leapin> the first to be held through browser on zia, after that irc all the way :)
<lynette> I would love irc class
<Rakam> There were one or two courses on InterNET News  in the past, but it has been almost year, that it has not been held...
<leapin> lynette will do, it is a done deal then
<aBunny> Cool!
leapin prepares a proposal
<connie> speakin' of which - what are those liltte @ signs?
<aBunny> I missed the irc day, cause my computer crashed :(
<VU_Log> Sounds perfect! :)  You realize that IRC will be the requirement next term for participating in class discussion.  We are phasing out the web chat altogether.
<leapin> Rakam I think usenet is kinda on it's way out the door, newgroups seem to be holding strong though
<aBunny> great idea leapin
<aBunny> connie that means if you have one you are one of the channel operators
<leapin> VU_log log don't talk hahah rofl
<leapin> :P
Ned [java@dd22-003.compuserve.com] has joined #room825
<aBunny> LOL
<VU_Log> Just logging along...
<lynette> LOL
<leapin> lol VU
Robby [derrobin@ad32-204.compuserve.com] has joined #room825
<connie> what can you do as a channel operator?
aBunny dies laughing at leapin
<aBunny> play god connie
<leapin> lol abunny
Sweetcake:  *VU_Log* Thanks for the reply. Our Study Group [Web-O-Crats] leader [ Jeff aka Counselor] has already forwarded our email application for the channel. We will await the reply! :-)
<aBunny> heheheeee
<lynette> give other people ops, kick, ban etc connie
<leapin> connie you can kick everyone in one sweep hehe
<aBunny> WoooWooo!
<aBunny> heheee
<leapin> I would give an example, but I have a feeling I am being logged hehehe haha
<connie> You have a good kick leapin - I have seen it.
<leapin> lol connie, me and clones do not get along well ;)
<connie> watched, eh?
<VU_Log> Naw, no logging going on here
<Sweetcake> What is a clone?
<leapin> clones are artifical accounts usually used to takeover a channel
leapin says why of course not VU_Log what would make me think someone was logging?
<leapin> lol
<Rakam> I got a beautiful kick during this session...
<VU_Log> :)
<Sweetcake> How can they take over a channel?
aBunny sides hurt from laughing
<leapin> clone is an artifical (bot) account that is used to hack/takeover a channel
<Sweetcake> How do you spot a clone and kick them out?
<VU_Log> "To log or not to log?" ... That is the question!
<histnact> sorry to be so quiet. logging for my study group
lynette sets mode: +o Ned
leapin yawns....hmm I feel logged
<leapin> lol
<Rakam> I was spotted..
<leapin> lol VU rofl
<aBunny> heheeee
<aBunny> NED!!!
<lynette> hey Ned
<aBunny> You made it
<leapin> connie type this    /op robby
<aBunny> better late then never eh?
<Ned> Hi guys
<Sweetcake> Really! How do you spot a clone? I have seen you kick them from the channel ..
connie sets mode: +o Robby
<Ned> I was here in another life
<lynette> LOL
<leapin> sweetcake experience and scripts lol
<aBunny> oh ?
<leapin> connie you have just oped robby
<connie> anyone can op anyone??? Oh, just another op!
<leapin> connie that means you gave him/her operators status
<lynette> have to be op to op
<Ned> Is anybody else getting Netscape errors or just lucky me?
aBunny wonders if connie feels god-like
<aBunny> hehee
<lynette> have to be careful who you op
<aBunny> lucky you Ned
<connie> 3 not yet
<leapin> lol abunny
<aBunny> heh
<leapin> connie type this    /kick leapin
<aBunny> oh nooo
<leapin> now she will feel gawd like hehe
<Ned> I feel lucky
<lynette> some dweebs get op and then kick others off-happened to me before
<aBunny> heheeeeee!
<aBunny> oh man I hurt from laughing
<Rakam> kicking masters??? LOL
<Sweetcake> Not using Netscape over here Ned.
<leapin> lol
Robby [derrobin@ad32-204.compuserve.com] has left #room825
aBunny would never ever have the nerve to do that one
<connie> Leaping is still here!
<lynette> using mIRC Ned
<leapin> common connie where is mavis when you need her?   type      /kick leapin
<connie> try agin..
JR [jmiller@PPPf.atnet.net] has left #room825
leapin rofl  I have really good prot *evil grin*
<connie> she is cheating!
<leapin> lol
<Ned> Ok I'll do it that way next time
<aBunny> isn't there  a command in Pirch that if you kick an op, you will log back in and they will get kicked out????
<leapin> hehe
<Rakam> how is that working, kicking one
<leapin> connie try to ban me *grin* although I must warn you, it may have a reversal effect on you hahaha rofl
<Rakam> hhhaahahh ahhha
<connie> is ban the same as kick?
<aBunny> ya! that's what I thought! leapin...you bad! hehehee
<leapin> hehe
<VU_Log> Someone recently got op status and kicked the IRC administrator here...three times.  Of course he is now walking in concrete rather than on water.
<lynette> kick person can get back on, banned can not
<Rakam> hihhiiiii
<leapin> okay does everyone want to know how to clear a channel in seconds?
<leapin> lol
<aBunny> rofl
<leapin> lol VU
<aBunny> noooooooooooo
<connie> not yit
leapin bets I could clear this channel in 3 seconds or less?
<Laura> I've been a victim of that one...
<connie> no bet
<aBunny> no no no
<VU_Log> Bet?
<VU_Log> :)
<leapin> aw connie, consider it a learning experience hehe
aBunny points her finger at leapin and says no no
<lynette> I have flood protection, will that help?
<aBunny> heheeee
<connie> ok whatever
<leapin> lynette can I try?
<aBunny> is there anybody here that has used mirc and pirch and have a preference of which they like better?
<VU_Log> I'm curious to see how the server will respond.
<lynette> sure
Rakam changes topic to "Web Pages That Make A Difference (Advanced)"
<Sweetcake> I have used both and I prefer PIRCH
<Rakam> sorry I was trying
<aBunny> me too Sweetcake
leapin has kicked lynette from #room825 (-=][ isn't the reason obvious? ][=-)
<aBunny> oh no! it worked
<leapin> bye lynette so much for protect hehe
<aBunny> heheeee bad leapin
<aBunny> lol
<Rakam> I was just trying why and how those buttons appeared on my pc????
<Sweetcake> Can log and chat on 2 different channels on 2 different servers at the same time and has wav support built in!
lynette [ljstewar@ts0811.gamewood.net] has joined #room825
Laura sets mode: +o lynette
<lynette> It worked!
<aBunny> WB Lynette
<aBunny> it worked? 
<Rakam> Please don't kick me,  if it is need please be mild to me
<aBunny> you got kicked
<leapin> lynette get whispered ;)
<lynette> flood no help
<aBunny> hahahhaaa
<leapin> VU_log can I try kicking you?
<aBunny> you make a nice guinea pig lynette
<lynette> get whispered????
who is now known as VU-log
<aBunny> lol
connie aching to be kicked
<Laura> flooding is something entirely different from kicking and banning
<VU_Log> Of course, but a bot will simply log me back on
<lynette> oink oink   no guinea pigs squeak and whistle
<aBunny> heheeee
<leapin> VU_log do you have any protection at all?
<VU_Log> Nope, just a bot to reboot
<aBunny> ok, WHO is VU-Log???
leapin thinks VU needs to get whispered hehe
<VU_Log> who
VU-log is now known as who
<aBunny> who?
<lynette> whispered??????
<aBunny> oh who!
<Sweetcake> what is a bot? sorta like a clone?
<who> what?
<VU_Log> Normally there is no one even sitting here.
<who> bot...short for robot
<leapin> whispered is an awesome scripted for fun and prot
<connie> 4 It was who!
<aBunny> no Vu_log is not who
<Sweetcake> so it is a fake person?
<aBunny> it was?
<aBunny> what a riot
aBunny asks 'who's on first'?
<aBunny> LOL
<VU_Log> Will the real log please display?
<leapin> sweetcake yes it is a robot
<Laura> Leapin - where would one locate "whispered"?
<Sweetcake> What does a robot do on IRC?
connie askes who's got the ball?
<aBunny> hehee connie
<leapin> whispered can be found at....you must be using pirch
<Sweetcake> Why would a person use a BOT?
<leapin> hang on a sec
<connie> hehee
<aBunny> oh boy
<VU_Log> Leapin, but can you close the room entirely?  
<leapin> yes VU
<VU_Log> Really?
<leapin> Yes
<leapin> want me to demonstrate hehe
<Rakam> how
<VU_Log> I have a nickle that says you can't :)
<leapin> *evil grin*
<aBunny> are they hard to set up?
<VU_Log> Go for it!
<Laura> Leapin - is there a program similar to whispered for mIRC?
<Sweetcake> will it be a lesson we get to learn all these tricks in an IRC class?
<leapin> okay but you bet...remember that when to doo doo hits the fan ;)
<aBunny> no no no Vu_log, wait till she gets the addy for us
<VU_Log> Oh be brave
<leapin> VU_log how about we all join another channel and I demonstrate there, my fear is alot will not know how to find their way back here?
aBunny shivers
Rakam listening with sharp ears
who closes his eyes and ...
<VU_Log> Won't work on another channel.  I am curious if THIS one can be blasted ouit because it is created at the administrative level.
<leapin> everyone type     /join #room825b
connie wakes up
<aBunny> now?
jt [java@geisha.helix.net] has left #room825
<Rakam> okay join #room 825b
<VU_Log> OK, waiting :)
<aBunny> whoa
<aBunny> it worked
<connie> we are back
<VU_Log> I never left.
<aBunny> that was a riot!
<aBunny> why not?
<connie> 3good work, leapin
<aBunny> you missed it
jt [java@geisha.helix.net] has joined #room825
<leapin> :)
leapin sets mode: +o jt
<aBunny> Cool job leapin!
<Laura> Leapin - is that like highlighting everyone on the list of members and then doing a kick/ban on everyone at the same time in mIRC?
<leapin> so vu-log how much do you owe me?
<leapin> lol
<aBunny> heheee
<connie> lol
<leapin> Laura yes except first you need to close the channel so nobody can join, then kick yourself
<VU_Log> *THIS* is the room that is created at the administrative level.. I *know* 825b can be closed.
<leapin> lol
<VU_Log> Let's all go to room825b and see if *THIS* room can be closed.
<aBunny> sounds painful
<aBunny> lol
<leapin> okay well VU_log let's say we try it here?
<lynette> I am still in 825b
<aBunny> you are lynette?
leapin thinks I will not be instructing long if this keeps up hehhe
<lynette> yes
<leapin> rofl
<Sweetcake> I am still in 825b also!
<leapin> ROFL
<leapin> ROFL
<aBunny> heheeee
<VU_Log> OK, because room825b was created by you, and 825 is a "hard" room.
<leapin> owwwwhhaa my sides hurt
jt [java@geisha.helix.net] has left #room825
<aBunny> heheee
<Sweetcake> I am turning blue over there still holding my breath!
<leapin> okay everyone type    /join #room825b
<lynette> Sweetcake is blue
jt [java@geisha.helix.net] has joined #room825
leapin sets mode: +o jt
<Laura> I'm banned from the room and can't access it
<Laura> At least that seems to be the problem
<Sweetcake> he he I am still in there!
<aBunny> same here, I can't get back in
<connie> can't get there
<VU_Log> try /join room825c
<aBunny> that is odd!
<Sweetcake> there are still 5 of us in there who did not leave!
<aBunny> go do it again to 825b leapin
<aBunny> get the rest of them
<aBunny> hahahhaaa
<leapin> yes all type   /join #room825c
<leapin> abunny I kicked/ban myself before the others
<leapin> lol
<lynette> bunny-you are evil
<connie> I've been banned from 825b - that Leapin!
<aBunny> heheeee
<connie> aBunny!
aBunny answers innocently 'yes?'
<leapin> okay everyone type    /join #room825c   cause you will not be able to get back into this room if all works well
<aBunny> heheee
connie knows who did it
jt [java@geisha.helix.net] has left #room825
aBunny [mistyblue@hern-95.innet.com] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
<VU_Log> OK, waiting...
<leapin> ` \\' h  s p e |2  Channel Protection Disabled on #room825
leapin sets mode: +bbb *!*ferrarc@pm1ar-addr11.arc.losrios.cc.ca.us *!*histnact@wb18.uconect.net *!*ljsmith@async06.ilap.com
leapin sets mode: +bbb *!*ljstewar@ts0811.gamewood.net *!*java@dd22-003.compuserve.com *!*rakam@dial72.brunet.bn
leapin sets mode: +bbb *!*carol@sle11.asb.com *!*irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net *!*scharney@ad72-012.compuserve.com
leapin has kicked connie from #room825 ((-= Isn't the reason obvious? =-))
leapin has kicked histnact from #room825 ((-= Isn't the reason obvious? =-))
leapin has kicked Laura from #room825 ((-= Isn't the reason obvious? =-))
leapin has kicked lynette from #room825 ((-= Isn't the reason obvious? =-))
leapin has kicked medda from #room825 ((-= Isn't the reason obvious? =-))
medda [krantz@dark1-cs-5.dial.bright.net] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Ned from #room825 ((-= Isn't the reason obvious? =-))
leapin has kicked Rakam from #room825 ((-= Isn't the reason obvious? =-))
*** Log file closed: 2/23/97 11:34:41 PM

*** Log file opened: 2/23/97 11:48:29 PM
Carol [tsouthar@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
<leapin> then it is a clone
<leapin> my protect will protect the channel from clones
<Richard> It is on a separate machine entirely.
<leapin> clones are normally used to takeover a channel
<leapin> is it using your account to log on?
<Richard> It is using the VU account.  30+ people use this account./
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
connie [ferrarc@pm1ar-addr11.arc.losrios.cc.ca.us] has joined #room825
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
<leapin> let me disable my protect, even though I "hate" doing so
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
<leapin> sweetcake is also using the same account to log on twice
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked Sweetcake from #room825 (Lose the clone)
*** Log file closed: 2/23/97 11:50:07 PM

*** Log file opened: 2/23/97 11:50:24 PM
Sweetcake [carol@sle11.asb.com] has joined #room825
corncrake [emurtagh@dd22-003.compuserve.com] has left #room825
<leapin> there no more clone ;)
<leapin> sweetcake what were you trying to do?
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked VU_Log from #room825 (Lose the clone)
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked VU_Log from #room825 (Lose the clone)
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked VU_Log from #room825 (Lose the clone)
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<Sweetcake> It was hard to disconnect.. everything was flashing and getting big and small hard to disconnect with the second account!
<Richard> Are you telling me that only one staffer from IRC can log in at a time?
<leapin> nope try again
<leapin> just turned off channel protect
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked VU_Log from #room825 (Lose the clone)
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
leapin has kicked VU_Log from #room825 (Lose the clone)
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
<leapin> dame
leapin has kicked VU_Log from #room825 (Lose the clone)
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
<leapin> hang on
VU_Log [irc-log@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<leapin> this is going to kill me, but clone protect is now off :(...
<leapin> whaaaaaa whaaaaa
<Richard> Is that because you created the room?
<leapin> and IF there is a takeover don't blame me hehe
<Richard> Not to worry, there may be no room at all.
<leapin> no it was fine with VU_log all night
<leapin> just since the two of you are here
<leapin> all night I have had clone prot on
<leapin> caught one person coming on cloned
<Richard> VU.LOG was on and then I came on as Richard to op you and there was no problem.
Laura [ljsmith@async06.ilap.com] has joined #room825
leapin sets mode: +o who
<leapin> hmm very strange huh?
<Richard> Yes, if I can annot assure the people at Zia that this is truly secure I will have to seriously rethink our strategy.  Back to e-mail chats perhaps, or buffnet.
leapin sets mode: -pmn
<Richard> Well, thank you for the security demo.  It is something I needed to see.
aBunny [mistyblue@hern-111.innet.com] has joined #room825
<aBunny> whoa, I got a huge boot!
<leapin> Richard look in #room825c please
<aBunny> all the way off the internet
<leapin> message for you 
leapin sets mode: +o aBunny
Richard [Richard@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<aBunny> thanks leapin
<Sweetcake> It is invite only! Can't get in unless your invited in!
<leapin> abunny wowo my kick is strong hehe
Richard [Richard@164.san-francisco-003.ca.dial-access.att.net] has joined #room825
<aBunny> no crap leapin!
<aBunny> heheee
<leapin> lol
leapin sets mode: +o Richard
<leapin> Richard you left without reading the message for you in 825c lol
<Richard> As I said, thanks for the security demo.  It is good to know, it will have an bearing on the decisions made around here.
<Richard> What was that?
<Sweetcake> I lost my invitation! It's here somewhere! 
<aBunny> heheee Sweetcake
<connie> who is still in 825c
<who> i am?
<connie> not youwho
<leapin> just private msged you R
<leapin> lol
<leapin> connie just me
<connie> some party, leapin
<connie> 2 no one invited
<aBunny> hahahaa
<aBunny> what a riot
<aBunny> I kept trying to get in when I got back and it said I was banned
hankh [hhays@ppp5.cybcon.com] has joined #room825
connie studies shoe - I am not invited.
<Sweetcake> Go to the party in room c! Make sure you have your invitation handy in order to get in!
hankh [hhays@ppp5.cybcon.com] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<Laura> Hey Hank!
<Sweetcake> I was not invited either! When I try to see who is in the channel it is not showing any names!
<aBunny> really?
<aBunny> oh well
aBunny cries
<aBunny> heheee
<who> i am?
<aBunny> who am?
<connie> Leapin is eating all the dessert by herself
<aBunny> no you're who
<Sweetcake> channel is empty it says! 
<who> see i told you so
<aBunny> oh well she'll just get fat
<aBunny> LOL
<connie> hehee
<Sweetcake> Anyone in c? It shows no people in there over here!
<who> sweetums...been to the webo's recently?
<Sweetcake> not since before class!
<aBunny> oh well, I'm taking off, goodnight all
hankh [hhays@ppp5.cybcon.com] has joined #room825
aBunny [mistyblue@hern-111.innet.com] has left #room825
<Sweetcake> Did you make any changes since then?
<who> k...see the "meet the members"?
<connie> well, good night.
hankh [hhays@ppp5.cybcon.com] has quit IRC (Leaving)
connie [ferrarc@pm1ar-addr11.arc.losrios.cc.ca.us] has left #room825
<who> or did we do this already?
<Sweetcake> Yes I did, say that 1 person so far was added in there.. when I looked the picture link was broken.
<who> oh...never mind
<who> brb
leapin scrolled back and saw that FAT joke hehe
<Sweetcake> Yes it looks just fine. is everyone going on one long page?
leapin weighs 110 pounds soaking wet hehe
<Sweetcake> Who it looks very nice. The picture link is broken though. Did you know that?
<Laura> Night All!
<jt> hmmm... time for X-Files... or have I been in it???
Laura [ljsmith@async06.ilap.com] has quit IRC (Leaving)
<jt> bye all
<Sweetcake> goodnight JT!
<jt> hmmm...how do I shut this java down?
<Sweetcake> quit ?
<jt> aye
jt [java@arrive.helix.net] has quit IRC (jt)
<Sweetcake> back key?
<leapin> type  /quit
<Sweetcake> :-)
<Sweetcake> Paul are you still here?
<Sweetcake> Goodnight everyone!
<Sweetcake> {{{{{{{ leapin }}}}}}}
<Sweetcake> {{{{{{{ Richard }}}}}}}
<Sweetcake> {{{{{{{ who }}}}}}}
<Sweetcake> nite nite!
<leapin> hello sweetcake
<leapin> nite 
<leapin> geesh I need sleep hehe
<Sweetcake> me too I'm calling it a night.. it's after midnight here and I have been up since 4 am... hubby should be home from work any second!
<Sweetcake> see you next week!
*** Log file closed: 2/24/97 12:13:25 AM
