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<Leapin> right now it has 5 chapters
<Leapin> hello Greycell, joan and Sweetcake
<Sonia> that would keep you coming back eh?
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<joan> Hi Leapen
<Greycell> hi there
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<ingo> Hi Shad
<Leapin> Sonia it keeps me coming back :)  finally I found something worth while with java
<Leapin> hello shadrak and karen
<Marilyn> 'evening Joan, sweetcake, Greycell, Karen, Shadrak
<joan> Hi Mar
<shadrak> hello ladies (mostly) and gentlemen
<flamingo> Hi shad
<Tina> hi shad
<Greycell> hi all
<anne> hi shad
Leapin asks, We are considering having an end of class awards night, do you all think there would be enough interest in such an event?
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<Leapin> hello Virginia
<shadrak> As long as I get a good one
<Sweetcake> Hello Everyone!
<anne> hahaha
<Greycell> when
<Leapin> lol shadrak :)
<joan> How would that work Leapin?
<Sweetcake> Awars night sounds like it would be fun! :-)
<Cat> When is the final class date?  Lost track : )
<tommy> I'd like to see what you all consider "good"
<Leapin> Greycell about 2 to 3 weeks after class, to allow everyone to get their pages up to date, and for ghatten and I to have a chance to evaluate them
<histnact> Leapin; interesting
<Marilyn> sounds interesting and fun to me
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Leapin is designing awards for pages already :)
<Greycell> probably ok as i'll only have one class keeping me hopping
<Sonia> it would be great and we would all have time to check everyone else out too
<anne> go for it leapin ;)
<Leapin> Greycell the awards night will probably be more fun then anything else 
<Cat> Awards would be nice.  It would be good to have something to show for all this hard work and research.
<joan> Sounds good to me.
Kwahts grins and guesses there will be awards.
<Greycell> good
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<Leapin> good idea Sonia, maybe everyone could vote on which group pages they find the best
<shadrak> Electioneering allowed?
Leapin thinks every group should get an award of "Standing the Test of Time with Success"
<connie> a whole variety of different awards would be good.
<shadrak> I like money
<Leapin> you all are doing very well with hanging in there, this class was much more time consuming then we imagined
<Counselor> Yeah, we should have an award for most accessible site..  :)
<Greycell> will cybermoney do?
Leapin starts to design a 1000 dollar bill for shadrak's award hehe
<shadrak> What can I buy with it?
connie sings we are here, because we're here, becuz we're here, becuz we're here
<Greycell> cyberspace of course
<Leapin> Counselor that will be a consideration in judging as well :)
shadrak says hahaha!
<Leapin> lol connie
<connie> hehee
<Leapin> shadrak you can buy umm....
<Leapin> well let's discuss that another day haha
<Greycell> no, n one of that
<shadrak> sound like an Indian Leapin
<Sonia> we need another course after this one to redo and practise all we learned and got confused on this round
Leapin is native *grin*
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<Kwahts> Shad...you can buy Valentines!
<connie> our group has a million dollar gif floating around, havta send it to leapin....
<shadrak> Used Valentines?
<Cat> Would it be possible to have a certificate we could download for free showing that we completed the course?
<Kwahts> No!
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<Kwahts> Cyber-tines
<Leapin> Sonia we are putting this class on hold until we can iron out the wrinkles, will be offering it again the semester after next 
<Sonia> you think we might need a breather eh?
<Kwahts> (not you, Cat... Shad)
<aBunny> hello
<Leapin> Cat we will check with the VU, there were suppose to be certificates for 821 last semester but I never got one!!!
<Kwahts> What's next, Leapin?
Leapin asks, did anyone get a certificate from 821 last semester?
<Sonia> i never got one either?
<aBunny> nopers
<shadrak> no
Counselor replies, no..no certificate from last semester.
<Leapin> hmm well atleast it was not just me lol
<Greycell> me neither, but then i never attended before
<Sonia> Leapin, how about you do one up on your page then we can all download it??
<tommy> lol
<anne> i never got anything either about what to do for certificate
Leapin stamps my feet, I WANT MY CERTIFICATE!!!
<Sonia> ME TOOO
<shadrak> Actually we all got certificates Leapin' but don't want you to feel bad.
aBunny does too!! heh
<Cat> Hmm  Another course I took from another place made a blank certificate available for download, but of course only those who completed the course knew where to find it.
<Greycell> probably you can get certified
<Leapin> Sonia okay that sounds great, and I will leave a spot where you all can insert your own name, since you all know graphics now :)
<tommy> Lets RIOT!!!!
<aBunny> LOL
<Leapin> lol tommy 
<Kwahts> Same here, Cat!  ;-)
<Sonia> that's great leapin
<shadrak> Greycell, I think leapin is already certified!
<Kwahts> Certifiable, Shad...
Leapin writes that down on my agenda of things to do .... make a certificate for this class
<Leapin> lol
<anne> leapin, do you and ghatten feel that most of the groups are on target for the homework assignments so far
<shadrak> No room left on the wall, leapin
<Cat> Thanks : )
<Greycell> yeah, my screen's too small
<Leapin> anne I feel all of the groups are right on track, alot more then I expected, I really am impressed with peoples determination and stamina
<connie> here here
<Leapin> lol shadrak, I will make a small one for you hehe
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<Sonia> it has been so challenging and so great,  my husband wants to me now & then tho'
<Leapin> lol Sonia, I don't want to be responsible for a break up haha
<Sonia> that was see me
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Leapin buys Sonia's hubby a nice cold beer as an apology for taking up Sonia's time hehe
<Greycell> my wife hopes i'll take more classes
<Leapin> lol ROFL Greycell
<Leapin> hahaha
<Sonia> we've been  married 28 years i don't think he'll get rid of me now
<shadrak> Another geezer!
<Counselor> My wife wishes I'd get off the comptuer so she could have it.
<Greycell> 31
<Sonia> thanx shad
<Leapin> Sonia whew a good long time congrats :)
<Greycell> your time is coming
<connie> maybe we need certificates for spouses...
<Leapin> Counselor lol
<Leapin> haha connie great idea!!!
<connie> and kids, of course...
<Sonia> yes i'll make him a certificate
Leapin thinks everyone should design a certificate for their spouse
<Greycell> right
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www sets mode: +o VU_Log
<Leapin> :)
<Leapin> it's the VU_log spying again lol
VU_Log sets mode: +o Leapin
<VU_Log> Aren't you glad?
<Leapin> thanks VU_spy  opps I mean log hehe
<Leapin> very glad :)
<jim> Add it to the homework.  Everything else gets there.  LOL
<Sonia> can we make up a ring for 825'ers to keep in touch
Sweetcake:  *Troi-* Your frames example is very nice. I like the way you did it. I tried to look at your other example of the background with a border with the table but it is not working. Your background file is pointing to your hard drive instead of the server directory. It says 
<Sweetcake> <BODY BACKGROUND="file:///c|/1/border.gif". Thought you might like to know!
Leapin sets mode: +oooo aBunny anne flamingo shadrak
connie thinks we need a spouse certificate on a web sit!.
<connie> site
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Leapin sets mode: +o Sonia
Sweetcake:  *Troi-* 
<Sweetcake> <BODY BACKGROUND="file:///c|/1/border.gif" . Thought you would like to know!
<kim> Hi  All, sorry I am late, tough getting on the ISP tonight
<Leapin> what is that Sweetcake?
<Greycell> that's what we can do with all the sites that allow you to give cards, secs 851 note
<Leapin> hello kim
<ingo> connie, don't forget the kids who are banned from the phone for hours
Leapin sets mode: +o connie
<Greycell> that was see class 851 notes
<kim> Hi Jim, did you get my email?
Leapin sets mode: +o Counselor
<connie> right, ingo
<aBunny> oh I had to put the kid to bed, thans Leapin
<Sweetcake> Sorry about that.. :-)
<Sweetcake> BODY BACKGROUND="file:///c|/1/border.gif" 
<Sweetcake> <BODY BACKGROUND="file:///c|/1/border.gif"
<jim> Kim: got your email and answered it already
<aBunny> +k
<aBunny> hehee
<Sweetcake> sorry about that! :-)
<Leapin> Sweetcake what are you trying to do?
<joan> I'm lost here.
<Leapin> me too
connie thinks we need a volunteer to create the spouse/kids thank you web site - but whose got time? heheheh
<aBunny> lol
<Leapin> lol
<Sonia> maybe we can use jave in some way for our next lesson to do a spouse's kids page on our web sites
<kim> Just read it Jim, thanks for the answer
<Troi-> LOL.. I think Sweetcake was trying to post to me, and got her windows a little mixed up.. I have been there.. :)
<Sweetcake> send a private message to someone but I guess the chat does not like the code I was trying to send.. sorry!
<Leapin> okay does anyone here want to participate in java/javascipt discussion and helping to answer questions? if so just say  "yes"
<kim> yes
<joan> yes
<Sonia> yes
<connie> yes
<Suz> yes
<Kwahts> yes?
<tommy> yes
<Cat> yes
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<Troi-> Sweetcake.. you should see my name in a little box at the bottom of your screen.. click on that to send me a msg.. 
<Leapin> do you all know java/javascript?
<Leapin> whew
<Troi-> yes!
<anne> very little
<tommy> no
<joan> No
<Sonia> no
<Greycell> yes
<Laura> No, not at all
<Suz> not much
<ingo> not too much
<Troi-> nope
<aBunny> sheesh! you guys are mixed up! lol
<Greycell> no
<flamingo> some
<Kwahts> I know what it is and that I got into this wanting to learn more.
<kim> little bit, but want to learn more
<connie> no
<LadyLuck> No
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<Sonia> looked like greek to me at first but i actually understand a wee bit of it now
<shadrak> maybe
<kim> Hi Histnact
<Greycell> need to learn for my other class
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<tommy> lol
<shadrak> What class is that Greycell?
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<Gollum> hey all, gollum here..
<Greycell> 'director 5'
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<shadrak> Where?
<Greycell> hi gollum
Leapin says, okay let me restate the question...will anyone who is fairly comfortable with Java/JavaScript already, and is willing to assist in answering questions please say "yes" on the screen
Leapin says, okay let me restate the question...will anyone who is fairly comfortable with Java/JavaScript already, and is willing to assist in answering questions please say "yes" on the screen
<Greycell> orange coast college, costa mesa, ca
<shadrak> K
<Gollum> hey greycell, your page lookin good.... you go boy...
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<Greycell> thanx
<jim> Kim: Mike is working away on #5 right now
Leapin says, okay let me restate the question...will anyone who is fairly comfortable with Java/JavaScript already, and is willing to assist in answering questions please say "yes" on the screen
<aBunny> rots of ruck eh Leapin? ;)
<Leapin> this is not looking good hehe
<Sonia> which is better to learn , leapin mentioned js is easier?
<Sweetcake> Not at all, but I just got a book & CD called Talk Java to me & a cd called the Java complete development kit, don't know what to do with it yet. I have not had the time to even look at it.
<Greycell> maybe beans
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<Suz> Does anyone know anything about J++
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<Sonia> i downloaded a js one and haven't had a chance to look either
<Cat> I just bought Instant Java CD.  Can't even figure it out.
<Sonia> I hope the next one is two weeks long, i'll need it
<Leapin> lol cat
<Greycell> lingo is bad enough
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<Counselor> Java is a programming language..javascript is essentially like html which you put in your pages.
<Sonia> leapin, can you put that url up again
<Leapin> Javascript is an off shoot of java, it is less complicated
<Gollum> yeah,, gollom has borrowed javascript at http://members.aol.com/kathygig/group.htm
<Leapin> okay Sonia hang a sec I will get it again
<Sweetcake> Java looks hard! The Talk JAVA has a tutorial and it all looks like gibberish to me. Don't know if I will be able to understand it at all.
<Gollum> anyone can edit and learn from this...
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<Leapin> http://www.star.net/people/~robyoung/
<Leapin> http://www.star.net/people/~robyoung/
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<Leapin> that is the url for an excellent java tutorial for non programmers
<Leapin> bahrdddddddddddddddddddddddd hello
Leapin sets mode: +o bahrd
<joan> Are we supposed to be learning how to write it for the course or just borrowing an implementing it?
<Gollum> thanks leapin...nedd more ;)
<bahrd> one too many d's
<Gollum> that's needed
<Leapin> joan borrowing and implementing
<Leapin> np Gollum
Leapin wonders are Gollum and Gotham the same people?
<anne> different leapin
<Leapin> okay thanks
Kwahts waves goodbye for now.
<Gollum> no way... non't know gatham
<kim> leapin, I have a question, curiosity sakes, this weeks assignment due tonight? 
<Kwahts> I know it's early, my friends, but I'm shot.
<Leapin> bye Kwahts glad you are feeling better
<Marilyn> night  kwahts
Kwahts waves happily.
<Leapin> kim there will be no lesson this week coming so take your time
Sweetcake:  *Troi-* It looks great! 
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<Virginia> .
<bahrd> who's this critter VU Log?? :{)
mudakawho is now known as woh
<Gollum> when is class over????
woh is now known as who
<Leapin> I suggest people try and discuss implementing javascript though 
<aBunny> hello Steve I snuck out to get a grapefruit....... 
<Leapin> Gollum class is over in two weeks I believe
<Leapin> the last class meeting will be here same time, next week
<who> LAST????
<Leapin> we are planning to have an awards ceremony night
Leapin sets mode: +o who
<Leapin> did'nt see who there
<Leapin> lol
<Sweetcake> No meeting in the middle of the next assignment or do we only get 1 week for the java part?
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<Leapin> Sweetcake we will probably meet again after that, but first we will have to make sure it is okay with the VU
<Gollum> editting javascript take lots of debugging.... take your time.. don't get frustated....
<Leapin> hint hint VU_log hehe
<Gollum> only change variables 1 thru 4...
<Sonia> Can you just change text in it and leave the rest as is, I can't seem to get that to work
<Gollum> yes...yes...
<Leapin> I will also be updating the java section of the wizard's link library so there will be plenty of on line information, tutorials, tips and hints, plus downloadable script
<ingo> why cann't we have the assignment/ esson this week giving us two weeks to work on it
<Gollum> but ... your browser will mess with ya till ya get it right....
<Greycell> where's that at
<aBunny> oh good!
<Gollum> greycell .... contact page
<Greycell> ok
<connie> java goodies, ummm umm good
<aBunny> lol
<Leapin> Greycell it's  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3641/howtos.html
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<anne> leapin, you need to give a hint if there is a challenge for it tho when you do get the lesson out
<Gollum> only javascript...java whole diffent animal
<Greycell> thanx
<Gollum> gollum can't speel
<bahrd> don like java cuz you need 32 bit browser 
<Leapin> anne the lesson will just be asking you to incorporate existing script into your pages, maybe 3 not sure yet
<Greycell> you're typing too fast
<Gollum> yes tis true
<shadrak> .url
<Leapin> if people want to design their own, that is up to them, it is not expected
<shadrak> nite
shadrak says TTYL
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<aBunny> you know how to fix that bahrd :)
<Greycell> ttfn
<who> nite old timer
<kim> No lesson, are you telling me we are just about done?
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<bahrd> don't like windows 95
<Gollum> greycell, my love after 6 weeks I still don't know what ttfn means... enlighten me
<bahrd> nite shad
<Greycell> ta ta for now
<Gollum> lol
<Greycell> ta ta = goodbye
<Gollum> have a good one]
<Marilyn> tnt
<Greycell> habit i picked up in australia
<joan> So shadrak what does TTYL mean?
<Greycell> not leaving yet,  answering shad
<who> bahrd... I don't like taxes but i got to pay em
<aBunny> talk to ya later =ttyl
<Gollum> gollum say irc different world
<aBunny> tee hee 'who' 
<bahrd> u an me both who
<joan> In Oz Greycall. I'm there right now.
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<Leapin> did anyone get the last lesson completed?
<Cat> lol
<connie> nit yit
<aBunny> does close count? heh
<bahrd> think we did L
<Leapin> lol 
<aBunny> ummm not yet bahrd
<anne> as much as we wanted to do of it leapin
<Leapin> bahrd I believe I have your's got it today?
<Gollum> is last lesson number 6 or is there an 8?
<tommy> connie thats nit wit isn't it?
<aBunny> ohhh good answer anne 
<connie> no, its not yet
<Leapin> lol anne
<tommy> :-)
<Leapin> connie you have another week
<connie> thank gawd...
<Sonia> i thought the last lesson said one week
<anne> we are still finding bugs with table borders and not bleeding text
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<joan> bleeding text ??
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<Greycell> or bloody
<Leapin> anne table border tags (other then border=value) only works correctly in MSIE
<Sweetcake> Quick get a band-aid! :-)
<Gollum> hey August, is Boss on vacation... don't understatnd dragon weavers on vacation?
<Gollum> link, that is...?
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<bahrd> for netscape use border=xxx and works on MS Explorer too
<Leapin> <HTML>
<Leapin> <HEAD>
<Leapin> <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
<Troi-> I did a simple table on a side border background page.. and had to make a borderless table.. using 3 columns.. left the first column blank and inserted a width to the first column.. this pushed it out of the way of the side border.. Was the only way I could figure how to do it without centering the table.
<Leapin> <!-- Beginning of JavaScript -
<Leapin> function MsgBox (textstring) {
<Leapin> alert (textstring) }
<Leapin> </SCRIPT>
<Leapin> </HEAD> 
<Leapin> <BODY> 
<Leapin> <BODY> 
<August> He is overloaded with work
<Gollum> <body> will give ya trouble if loading background..and stuff... make sure onload 
<Gollum> command executes first
<Greycell> yeah, i need to go back to work,  new computers out there
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<Leapin> <HTML>
<Leapin> <HEAD>
<Leapin> <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
<Leapin> <!-- Beginning of JavaScript -
<Leapin> function MsgBox (textstring) {
<Leapin> alert (textstring) }
<Leapin> </SCRIPT>
<Leapin> </HEAD> 
<Leapin> </BODY> 
<Leapin> that is an example of a very simple script for a message box popup
<connie> what is a message box popup?
<Gollum> mess box popup>>> explain to gollum
<Leapin> opps except it should be <body> not </body>
<connie> ok, got that
<Leapin> connie if you want to have a button where users can click and get a response, one way to use message boxes
<connie> ahhh
<Leapin> you could also use a message box for a password entry into your page
<Gollum> this is option to stop or start script????
<Leapin> or you could have it so the user has to put their name in, and then your page says "hello "name""
<Leapin> Gollum that is the script to get the box, right now it does very little
<Gollum> ok, will play with it
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<Leapin> this will allow you to let the user use it....
<Leapin> <HTML>
<Leapin> <HEAD>
<Leapin> <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
<Leapin> <!-- Beginning of JavaScript -
<Leapin> function MsgBox (textstring) {
<Leapin> alert (textstring) }
<Leapin> </SCRIPT>
<Leapin> </HEAD> 
<Leapin> <BODY> 
<Leapin> <FORM>
<Leapin> <INPUT NAME="text1" TYPE=Text>
<Leapin> <INPUT NAME="submit" TYPE=Button VALUE="Show Me" onClick="MsgBox(form.text1.value)">
<Leapin> </FORM>
<Leapin> </BODY>
<Leapin> </HTML>
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<Gollum> kool,,,never saw form combined
<Leapin> this creates a form where the user types a message and hits the submit button, then the message box pops up
<connie> L - is there an example up somewhere?
<Leapin> it is still very very basic but well worth trying just to get the hang of javascript foundation
<Leapin> connie yes the url I gave you earlier
<connie> oh ok
<Leapin> this is where this information is coming from
<Leapin> it is the best beginners tutorial I have seen yet, too bad it cannot be downloaded :(
<Sonia> it would be nice if it was in one zipfile
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<bahrd> hi medda
<Leapin> Sonia I agree, it took me forever to sit there viewing pages in source, saving it and then capturning the graphics (thank goodness there were only a few graphics ) hehe
<medda> hi everyone
<Leapin> hello medda
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<Gollum> leapin... some day I will meet you in frogpond....;)
<Leapin> okay Gollum lol
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<Leapin> The frogpond is a deadly place, people throwing ascii art all over the place hehe
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Leapin announces, we got permission to put on an irc class YES!!!
<Gollum> gollum still new to irc... i will learn
<Gollum> rofl
<aBunny> Hooray!!
<LadyLuck> Is anyone from the Kentucky area???
<connie> great!!
<Marilyn> I am
<Marilyn> that's Marilyn
<LadyLuck> Where at Marilyn?
<Sonia> next cemestre leapin?
<Leapin> it will be offered next semester
<Marilyn> northern Kentucky
<Gollum> yeah,,,, yeah ...gollum follows
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<Leapin> I put in the proposal this morning
<connie> when does next semester start?
<LadyLuck> You flooded out there?
<Marilyn> where are you LadyLuck?
<Marilyn> yep, sure am
<LadyLuck> Louisville :(
<Leapin> 3 4hr classes
<Sonia> a one day thing like last time or longer?
<Marilyn> my home page is Ladyblue
<Marilyn> not far from ya
<Gollum> can do
<Leapin> Sonia, no 3 days of 4hours each
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<LadyLuck> Northern...whereabouts?
<Sonia> sounds cool
<Leapin> this time there will be alot more stucture
<kim> back again, machine locked up
<Marilyn> that's super, I need the class
<flamingo> Good night everyone!  :-)
<kim> What did I miss??
<Gollum> yes,, tis a hard start
<Marilyn> 20 miles from Cincy, less than 80 from you
<who> leapin...gonna investigate alternatives like PowWow or ICQ?
<ingo> nite flam ingo
<Leapin> night flamingo
<bahrd> wow that's a relief Leap
<anne> nite
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<who> nite flame
<Sonia> instead of just talk and ask will they actually have instruction and practise?
<LadyLuck> Hope you guys made it through the weekend better than we did
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<Marilyn> got lots of flood damage but that's all, how bad?
<Leapin> who no we are going to stick with irc for now, from basic to advanced like programming popups and aliases and maybe ascii art if time permits
<who> please don't teach people pictures....or sounds!!!!!
<LadyLuck> They are saying at least 10,000 homes damaged right now...at about a $51 million cost
<bahrd> dunno nuttin bout that
<Leapin> how come who?
<who> or things like this....
who says to Leapin And then Adam said, "What's a headache?"
<Marilyn> ouch, you got hit much harder than we did.
<who> j/k
Leapin says, and Eve responded, what is a bellybutton?
<aBunny> pay your taxes 'who' :)
<aBunny> lol
<Leapin> lol
<Leapin> rofl
<LadyLuck> I think we got the worst of it yes...13 inches of rain in 36 hours
who says to aBunny Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal. - Tolstoy
<Marilyn> look me up and chat on my page, please. http://w3.one.net/~mvandt
<aBunny> heheheeee
<connie> go do your taxes who
<who> yeah LadyLuck but was it raining AK47 like in North Hollywood?
<Leapin> Marilyn you have your own chat board?
<Leapin> wow
<kim> Leapin, question. Are these meetings logged, and can we get a copy of the log?
<Leapin> :)
<Marilyn> yes
<Marilyn> it's a java applet
<LadyLuck> No...but our rain was deadlier
<Marilyn> from earthweb
<LadyLuck> On my way Marilyn
<Gollum> who,,,gollum wants sound and picture....
<Leapin> kim yes they are logged, but there does not seem to be much info floating tonight :(
<who> LL: yes..true...i am 13shamed
<aBunny> showoff 
<Leapin> Gollum will get sound and graphics .. it is in the lesson plan :)
<histnact> K9im, ia m logging right now
<Gollum> yeah and color
<Sonia> Marilyn do you have the url
<Gollum> thanks 
<LadyLuck> I didn't mean to shame you who :)
<Marilyn> url for earthweb?
<Dave_J> Sure you did!  :-)
<LadyLuck> LOL Dave
<kim> leapin, just wondering because I was late, and locked up, and there was talk on javascript, would like to get a full log
<Sonia> yes, where you can get the chat
<Dave_J> Kinda saying "boo who".  :-)
<histnact> Kim: I am logging for our group
<Leapin> of course with Richard's browser connection to irc, I think irc software is in for trouble 
<kim> Thanks Mike, maybe you can send me a copy?
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<Leapin> wb greycell
<Gollum> wb greycell
<Marilyn> you can get it off the source code of my applet page or me E and I'll send it to you.
<Greycell> i'm back
<histnact> Kim,  I willpost it on our site in our logs
<joan> Leapin, I didn't understand the reason for checking a user's browser type or what happens after that's done.
<Marilyn> I'm using vu livechat instead of irc tonight and can't do much here.
<kim> Ok, thanks, I have to go now, even though I finally got back on, so I will check on the site, Mike, thanks again
<Leapin> Here is a look at the script. See if you can trace how it works. 
<Leapin> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
<Leapin> <HTML>
<Leapin> <HEAD>
<Leapin> <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
<histnact> ok Kim, bye
<Leapin> <!-- Beginning of JavaScript -
<Leapin> function changecolor(code) { 
<Leapin> document.bgColor=code
<Leapin> }
<Leapin> </SCRIPT>
<Leapin> </HEAD>
<Leapin> <BODY>
<Leapin> <form>
<Leapin> <input type="button" name="Button1" value="RED" onclick="changecolor('red')">
<Leapin> <input type="button" name="Button2" value="GREEN" onclick="changecolor('green')">
<Leapin> <input type="button" name="Button3" value="BLUE" onclick="changecolor('blue')">
<Leapin> <input type="button" name="Button4" value="WHITE" onclick="changecolor('white')">
<Leapin> </form>
<Leapin> </BODY>
<Leapin> </HTML>
<Leapin> try that script and open it in your browser, it is really interactive
<kim> Night all, anything we need to know for next week?
<Marilyn> 'night Kim
<Leapin> it allows the user, upon entering your site, to change the background colour of the screen :)
<histnact> Leapin: Coo
<aBunny> in both Netscape and MSIE leapin?
<Leapin> kim finish the lesson is all and start to experiement with javascript applets
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<histnact> cool!
<Leapin> aBunny yes in both :)
<aBunny> Cool!
<Leapin> does everyone want me to paste it again?
<connie> nah, you are workin too hard
<bahrd> got it logged L
<joan> Can't write fast enough to copy it down.
<Leapin> lol connie, have to get some work done here, although you are all so much fun to talk with hehe
<Gollum> if anyone ... has access to both netscape3.0 and MSIE can you
<Marilyn> I saved as, don't know how to log yet
<Gollum> please explain to me way msie can't handle tables correctly?
<Leapin> Marilyn what irc software are you using?
<Sonia> marilyn are you in pirch
<Marilyn> none tonight but usually netscape irc
<tommy> This is a link I got from Leapin's page that is very enlightening on the subject of interactivity
<Marilyn> nope, just on vu page with the applet
<tommy> http://www.atomicvision.com/manifest/design/fuse.html
<Leapin> Gollum MSIE handles tables better then NS, it has way more tags available, although I hear 4.0 NS is up to par
Leapin also heard that NS 4.0 is not free, when it expires, you pay or uninstall
<Gollum> msie...doesn't handle table bgcolor like I'd like...netscape much more forgiving even though can't find errors
Leapin bets Bill Gates is rolling over laughing at that one
<joan> We discovered that 4.0 NS has problems with colors within links in tables. Can't cope with them.
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<Gollum> is 4.0 released? or beta?
<connie> thanks tommy
<Leapin> Gollum it is user choice I guess with which browser people perfer, myself I like em all as long as they are free haha
<tommy> sure
<aBunny> me too! I have both
<Leapin> Gollum they are not calling it 4.0 I think it's call consortium or the like
<Leapin> maybe it's condundrum
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<joan> Communicator I think
<Leapin> whatever it is, it is no longer free, one the beta runs out you have to register or uninstall
<bahrd> i got both and believe me Netscape is the way to go
<anne> it is interesting that NS 4.0 finds a lot of text bumping in tables that have a side border that the rest of do not see, or if it looked ok in NS 4, it bumped for others
<Leapin> joan that's it!!!!
<Gollum> yeah thats it.. they added chat and stuff now
<Leapin> Communicator is right
<joan> Yes, that's what we found Anne.
<Gollum> if anyone can... I would like better explaination of <br clear=> for that reason
<Marilyn> me too Gollum
<bahrd> that's what the cellpad is supposed to correct anne
<Leapin> anne I find that with MSIE, it will look great, but when I open it in NS poof, everything is all over the place and the colours are not right
<Gollum> my page must look a mess....smit
<Gollum> that's smile
<Greycell> is anybody else getting 'command failures'?
<anne> anyway, best solution was to set the width in pixels, not percentages so far
<Leapin> Gollum if you want to align text next to a graphic you can, when you want the text to stop aligning with the graphic you type <br clear=direction>
<Greycell> this is in the console for nschat
<Gollum> gC... command failure? where?  
<bahrd> absolutely anne
<Leapin> the next line of text will start at the bottom of the graphic
<Gollum> your using Netscape chat?? I loaded it couldn't get it to work...its beta sitll
<anne> is that an MSIE command leapin the direction
<anne> i have seen <br clear=all> for netscape
<Greycell> that's what i've used all along
<anne> to do the same thing
<Gollum> wow... can't believe it.... on a MAC too?
<Leapin> anne it can also be  <br clear=left  or right>
<anne> right, but will that work in MSIE too?
<Greycell> mac, yes
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<Gollum> no I;ve tired to no end......
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<Leapin> anne I have used it in MSIE works fine
<anne> k good, your direction command is what tho
<Leapin> look at the hrans page, I use it there
<Gollum> if you have center at top of html and /center on bottom br clear= does nothing
<Leapin> <br clear="left">
<anne> k
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<Leapin> it's on the tickler.html page
<Gollum> will do
<joan> Leapin, are these all pages on your Wizards Library?
<Gollum> gollum has to go late on east coast ...leaving log open...
<Gollum> good night all...
<Greycell> ttfn gollum
<connie> bye G
<who> Gollum: i will attempt to fill it for you!
<Gollum> bye greycell
<bahrd> nite G
<August> nite Gollum
<Marilyn> g'night Gollum
<Counselor> 'night G
<Gollum> thanks
<Leapin> joan yes they are mine
who says to Gollum For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord.
<joan> Thanks L.
<Leapin> did them last semester for the 821 class
<Leapin> nite Gollum
<Gollum> gollum rofl
<connie> ROFL who
Counselor wonders if there is any further class business left tonight
bahrd bids you all a fond adieu and hopes you think well of him in his absence
<connie> of cousrse, B
<Leapin> oops joan sorry misread what you asked...no the hrans page with the <br clear="left"> is  http://www.hrans.ns.ca/tickler.html
<Marilyn> 'night bahrd
<aBunny> night Steve
<joan> Thanks Leapin
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<who> nite bahrd
<Gollum> night leapin.... ;)
<Gollum> christ ... I can even find my function keys>>> irc strange
<Leapin> lol
<Leapin> Gollum needs rest hhaha
<aBunny> hehee
<who> Gollum ... you must be part or my family...you've been leaving for half an hour
<Leapin> I spilled coffee on my keyboard lastnight and now the "h" key is sticking :(
<tommy> lol who
<who> an attempt at Java?
<Leapin> lol who
<Laura> Hot Java at that eh?
<who> or flooding?
<Leapin> rofl Laura
<aBunny> time for a soft cover for your keyboard leapin
<anne> counselor, i wonder what happens in text browsers when folks use java script?
<aBunny> they blow up anne ;)  j/k 
<Leapin> aBunny agreed!!!  wonder if I can draw one ;)
<connie> My brother designed an arylic cat seat above the keyboard for his kitty.
<Leapin> hehe
<aBunny> lol
<Counselor> I think nothing, but I'll be experimenting with that this week.
<Leapin> lol connie
<connie> kitties like to type too
<anne> k, please keep us posted counselor
<aBunny> hehee connie
<Leapin> lol
<Counselor> Will do...anyway, I think I'm going to call it a night.  See y'all next week.
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<Leapin> well it is my turn to drop off and hit the lilypad, take care all
<tommy> goodnight Counselor
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<aBunny> night leapin and thanks
<August> nite Counselor
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<Marilyn> goodnight all
<August> nite Leapin
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<Counselor> goodnight all!
<joan> Nite Leapin and everyone, even tho it's half way through Monday over here in Aussie land.
<aBunny> night all
<Sonia> yes my daughter is over there, we get calls at such hours??
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<Greycell> good afternoon joan
<aBunny> oh anne? You got my new email addy right?
<tommy> g'day joan
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<joan> Hi Greycell, where are you?
<Greycell> not to worry, she'll be right
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