Session Start: Sat Jan 17 18:55:28 1998
*** Now talking in #webdesign
Channel is NOT moderated
where can I get the command line options for Netscape
What are you trying to do to your poor Netscape Augustus?
nothing , I saw a -h command like option in one of my programs that uses Netscape and don't know what it does
I have never seen it before
it is not in my book
Well, not being a programmer, I can't help there
OK
tks
Maybe someone else does...
Looks like a good group this year
Let's give it a couple of minutes before we officially start
Welcome to our first office hours for HTML class everyone! Thanks for coming and we hope that we can assist you with any questions you may have.....
when will version 4 be ready
Version 4?
HTML Ver 4
I heard they were working on a version 4
The spec for HTML was approved in Mid-December
good
It's just that it is only supported to a limited degree by the newest Netscape and MSIE browsers
I hope they can resolve the difference in sounds controls
Augie...before you start writing version 4 or using new features...ask yourself who your audience is and what your intent is...
is the tag objects supported?
HTML does have a way around that...
the greatest site isn't worth a lick if only you can use it
yes
I know
Yes, should EVENTUALLY handle the issue Augustus
the AOL browser is no good
This is fairly true Augustus...shame that
Well we have a couple of questions....let's get started!
according to the stats on one of my sites, most users are still using older versions of NS and IE --
I think we can skip moderation unless it gets really hectic
it's important to accommodate them
Were we supposed to upload our notebook to our page on the web?
Eventually yes Nan
Not necessary this week...
or next...this is to give folks time to get used to HTML before needing to figure out how to get it to the web
Thanks I am not quite sure how to doit yet..this will be my first web page
And I agree with Otter totally---MANY folks are still on older versions of the main browsers--it is important to not to alienate folks on a large scale by using things that are not applicable, such as lots of the new HTML 4.0 spec
What do you mean put a z in front of my name?
We will get you up by the end of week 4 Nan!
Hello Everyone. I've got a question (simple as it may sound!!smile) - I cannot seem to get my notebook saved as an htm file? Any hints?
Type in/nick z-Guest7266 where you just typed the message
GUEST..if you do not have a question at this time /nick z-Guest7266
I hope I'm ready by then
Rosebud, what program are you using
What operating system Rosebud? Windows 95, 3.1 or MAC
I think you will be Nan! if not you can hassle us at the webdesign@vu.org mailbox LOL
LOL Ghatten..
If you do NOT have question, or you have asked your question, or you are going to log and not be present, put z- in front of your nick, if you are on a time limited connection (pay by the minute) put F- in front of your nick (please do not abuse this as those with the F- will be given voice first to save them money), please use the - , to change your nick type /nick z-yournick
Rosebud what system are you using??
Cookie, I'm using notepad in Office 97. Ghatten, I'm using ie4 & win95. Ghatten are you the prof?
One of four Rosebud
The others are Who, Flamingo and Otter
The other ops are our trusty staff!
I have a question
OK Mailman hang on a sec
Rosebud, you should be able to do it in notepad
Saving the text file as HTML is the current question
When you have the file open in notepad
Rosebud...the most common problem is not setting the Save as type option to All files(*.*)
Rosebud are you selecting all files before you save?
Select file and save as from the menu at the top
and then do as Who suggests
You have to type in the HTML extension
Note: On Windows 3.1 you will only be able to use .htm since Windows 3.1 only accepts 3 letter extensions..
and save the file as mypage.html
or mypage.htm
Thanks guys. I've figured it out - I didn't put the extension in. Now it works!
Great!
Good Rosebud
OK Mailman...what's you question???
Chalk one up for the good guys
every time I open my HTML file IE always open it, I want to use Netscape
Are you Windows 95?
yes
OK
Then go to one of your HTML files and right click/shift at the same time
You should get the menu and one of the options is OPEN WITH
Select that and you will get a selection box with a scroll
Scroll down and find Netscape
OK
let me try it
Once you have found it..look near the bottom of that box with the scroll options
You will see a box to check
OK
It says "Always open files of this type with this application
Check it
Then select Netscape from the menu
The scroll list that is
Now Netscape should open HTML files
If it doesn't stick
OK, thanks a lot
I just tried what you suggested Mailman try with Windows 95. I don't have an open with option. I have Open or Open with Word.
Let me know--I know another way but it is a little more detailed
thanks Ghatten
Try again Janet...sometimes it does not "Catch" when you shift and right click at the same time
OK Kimee...go ahead
Background colors... How do we know what the letters stands for? Like what sequences make what colors. Is there a web page to go to for that?
Janet if it still does not work, send an email to the webdesign@vu.org address and I will spell out the other way
I am opening it from within Internet Explorer. Should I try a different path to get the right click/shift to work?
Yes--try this from the Windows 95 desktop
Outside of a program
I have a question....Since we can't find the Paintshop book, will other resources be suggested?
Okay Kimee---this is a bit beyond the class ...but the short explanation is that the letters stand for different values of Red Green and Blue. There will be a larger explanation and links to learn as much as you can stand in lesson 2!
The Paint Shop Pro book can be skipped easily ya'll
There are a lot of PSP tutorials on-line
In the next week I will post a list of Paint Shop Pro resources ONLINE
kimmee..I found a page with the letter sequences for the colors..the url is http:/ /www.infi.net/wwwimages/cell2.html
One of our helpers has collected up a large list for us!
Thank you, Ghatten.
Are there any Mac users here?
Firewalker are you on a Mac?
No.
I have a PC
However, at the local school district I dabble in Macs.
Ah---do you use a graphics program you might recommend for Mac users when you dabble?
We use at the high school photo shop
Are we eligible for an Academic Discount for Paint Shop Pro as a VU Student?
Study groups can be organized by area (this makes it easier to meet) or by interest (this makes it easier to generate interest!) or if you are really lucky you might form/find a group which covers BOTH * Otter needs to find students who use AOL -- please email me at: Wendy@Vu.org
I think that would depend on the place selling the software
Some places require an academic ID for purchases
with an academic discount
in that case...no.
What kind of documentation is provided when we get CEUs to prove we passed?
Best place to find discounted software, especially academic is at computer shows.
Thanks Firewalker..that's what I suspected...
That is very true Firewalker...you can get lots of discounted software there...
Janet that is a question for the Registrar's Office
:)
Does anyone else have a HTML question?
Is it best to edit our web pages from within the browser window?
Paint Shop Pro gives you a 30 day trial period before you have to purchase it.
Unless you are in a program like Composer you would not be editing from the browser...but from inside the text editor such as Notepad
JBH...that depends on a lot of things...
That's what we recommend for the class...
I thought we should open Notepad from within our browser window?
Usually I open Notepad from inside the folder in which I am working.
Are you using IE?
Sorry if you already said that...
So it's easier to open Notepad from a folder on your desktop? I am using IE 3.02 or Netscape 3.0
If you are using IE and it is set to open Notepad to view source you can edit the source of the page from inside the browser window
Yes, I can view source...So that may be the preferred way...
(or at least that is what it works out to be...)
I understand that if I use refresh or reload that any changes I make will appear.
If that works for you then it is fine to do it that way
Yes, you would have to refresh to see what you just edited...
but will is save it
I have another question.
You will still have to save the document!
If not your editing would be lost
Thank you... I knew that...
Hold on a sec kimee--Wallen has a question next
:)
Be very careful if you use View Page Source and then edit from there... sometimes you will end up with two HTML files ... one with the changes and one without the changes
Some folks might not have known though..can't be too sure when folks are new
:)
Wallen wanted to know how to save a file from htmtemp.txt to the mypage.htm on a Mac
Flamingo can you grab that one please
Wallen: open up your file called htmtemp.txt....
Then click Save As and save it with the new file name of mypage.html and click save.
You will be opening the file htmtemp.txt in Notepad
What I would like to know is I got the page on colors but it says NETSCAPE
color chart
A Mac does it pretty much the same way as a PC... sorry you will be using Simple Text on the MAC
Can I use this with Internet Explorer?
Most colors are same/similar...there is a page with a list of those colors that will be true on both browsers
>> nipsi << yes, the colors may vary just at little
Wallen: are you with me?
will have to look it up for you
those are from the HTML Reference Library FREE at the web supply page . . http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/8043/ . . under *WEB SUPPLYS*
Wallen?
Please give me the URL of the page that I can use for colors. Believe you gave it to me on ICQ, but then it was cut off, I could no longer find it.
Is there a protocol or netiquette that I should be aware of so as not to offend?
Yes, Simple Text application open now along with htmltemp.txt window....
Wallen did you successfully save the file as HTML?
Yes, Wallen: open up Simple Text... Then go to File ... then click on Open file ... find your htmtemp.txt file ... click open
will the next lesson be posted on Monday??
I've already cut & pasted the template into a file I've named htmltemp.txt. Now what?
Am I being rude by just typing when I have a question?
JBH...not yet...just be prudent
Janet someone will let you know when you can ask your question :)
Well we are a little "free form" tonight Janet...usually we moderate and only those who are "called on" can talk--kinda like raising your hand in a regular classroom
How do you get called on?
Actually on a Mac you can just rename the file... Please PC people Pay No Attention to this... Click once on your file name htmtemp.txt to highlight it... then rename it to mypage.html.. And you will have it.... FOR MACS ONLY
Let's see...Once Wallen is done...
by taking the z- off of your name
We have Kimee and then you...who are officially wanting to ask questions
I' still here. Thanks
LOL... I know but I didn't want to say it... my Mac students like the easy way of doing things... :-)
>> flamingo << I agree with them on that LOL
Sorry to be so unfamiliar with this...but I'm using my browser and the applet, not IRC. How can I tell when I'm called on if I have a question?
join #webdesign
Is that IRC?
we will ask you for your question Janet
yes you are on IRC
when it's your turn
Kimee do you still have a question for us?
yup
OK go ahead and toss it out
you should moderate the channel so the newcomers can get used to the procedure!!
I just lost it but here goes
We do usually moderate..but there were few questions so we left it open...
This is probably advanced as well but on the discussion board there is a form you fill out (I can do) but how does it get onto the webpage almost instantly?
Ah...the person Lurking behind the title VU_Log is a programmer who has designed a CGI application (program) which takes the text we put in and turns it to a web page on the fly
It is MUCH more complicated that I can or could explain.. :)
Anything else.?
CGI huh? My next task :)
LOL..write me at webdesign@vu.org and I will send you a bunch of links
Ghatten would this be the same principle if a template was created from real-estate agents for houses they have for sale?
Janet? Your question...
That's it for now thanx.
Can I ask if anyone is interested in my study group idea?
Not sure penny...such a thing could be "powered" by the same type of application
Sure Janet go ahead....
I want to build a community library - safe links for everyone - parents, seniors, kids, teens, consumers, business etc.
I also want to provide a tour of the Internet and how to use it, search, read .pdf files
Is anyone interested? My e-mail is janeth@ns.net
That's an ambitious task...:) You might also want to post a message on the discussion board...
I did, but there were so many messages, it got instantly put in digest.
Ah the digest happens weekly (tuesday nights I think)
Try again
interested in what Janet?
Janet, I am doing an AIDs/family prevention webpage now for the YWCA, I don't have a lot of time but am willing to help you out if you need it.
the messages are digested once a week...so if you have an open question, restate it
Thanks, Who.
I see there seem to be a fair number of folks who still have questions and it is getting close to the end
does digest == delete??
Let's try going down the line and see if we can grab them all quickly
Digest means it is just no longer on the active board...at the bottom there is a link to all the old digests
OK
It's just that it will not be easily seen/found/responded to by all...
Guest17830 do you have an HTML question?
Nan will be after Guest17830....
Janet I will send you a link to Ed's link you may get some ideas from it
Thank you Augustus
Ya'll are a very polite bunch :)
Okay we will skip Guest for now and go on to Nan...
do you have a question for us Nan??
I think there are 2 Nan's here tonight...I didn't have a question
OK
ProfE?
Will office hours be at this time every week?
A this time we plan to have the office hours at this time every week----but that MAY change so check
Earlier notice and earlier hours, Please.
Also, there are often profs or others here to help thru-out the week
drop on in anytime and see who is here
Will do on the notice--but the hours are to ATTEMPT to accommodate as many time zones as we can...
Okay Sharn do you have a question?