Session Start: Tue Feb 03 17:37:53 1998
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Zonie- the 'Office Hours' begin at .7-8:30PM PST . / .8-9:3OPM MST . on Saturdays and 5:30-7:00 PM PST. / .6:30-8:00 PM MST  Tuesdays it is now. 6:40 PM MST-Zonie- lesson #1-4,and MIDTERM QUIZare now up and ready for download
 Zonie's first page loaded fine
 :( I did not realize that I had a bad Netscape version LOL
 >> flamingo << it's the project that has the milk carton that was giving Ghatten problems
 Zonie: your page just crashed Netscape on me too.
 which version you got 4.03 ?
 EEK..
 Hello all! I was just posting a note on the BB to remind everyone to come to class tonight.
 Zonie, it isn't all Java cause I have surfed all over and saw some really cool Java Applets when i was checking links for Lesson 3
 Zonie: 4.01
 I have no problems with 4.04 and neither does Blossom on that page
 I want to keep the milk carton : )
 nope......just loaded it.....no problem at all in NS
 I don't have any problems with Java either...
 NS says the Java problem is there up to, 4.04 that is why I got 4.04 : )
 NS4 that is........and just hit wrong button......lol........that url Zonie was on old ICQ bookmarks and i lost them with installation of new one...sorry
 Otter what version of NS are you using?
 using?
 Ghatten my e-mail for NS has become corrupt.....can't even use it......does illegal stuff.....lol
 I'm still using 3.01
 Are you willing to look at Zonie's browser chewing page?
 URL?
 My notebook for this HTML class is at . . . . . don't copy it : )
 http://members.xoom.com/flfry/NoteBook/
 http://members.xoom.com/flfry/NoteBook/
 the project link
 you're quick....hehe....was gonna add that too......lol
 I am going to d/l NS 4.04 this weekend and will try again Z
 Is there a deadline for the midterm to be done?
 His page loaded -- where's the problem?
 Zonnie: my Netscape Gold doesn't like that page either... Not a good sign
 which version ?
 3.01
 maybe it's the Remotes Zonie?
 no it's the milk carton
 ok
 I think cause it keep reloading new info
 Ghatten--got my picture cropped--it works FINE
 Thankee
 The midterm should be done if you are looking for CEU's by Sunday
 Zonnie: I would be a little concerned if some browsers are having trouble opening this page
 Ok, thanks.
 Your Welcome!  Both Flamingo and I note that this is something that has happened before to both of us
 and I think it happened long ago to Blue too!
 Is it the "Project" page that's a problem?
 Yes, Otter
 yes the milk carton one
 has happened to me too......tooooo much coffee
 Sent me to another window to choose a browser and then opened the frames at SPRYNET!!!
 Same here ... Otter
 ROFL
 ok milk carton gone now see if you still have problems
 Uh...Zonie I think that's bad news
 what ?
 Otter with NS 3 having troubles
 Going to look now
 bet she don't got 3.04 : )
 Still sends me to SPRYNET if I click on Project
 yes
 SPRYNET is where project is
 I have NS3.01
 yep : )
 My browser won't even let me go there now
 am I the only one who reads the stuff at NS : )
 Must be hehe..would seem if there were a big problem it would crash with all Java or at least more often with other Java
 only know what I read : )
 Zonie, you sure have a way with text graphics!!
 which ?
 Zonie........it loaded a lot quicker for sure.......
 Ghatten, I'm still having a problem :(
 And Netscape has not crashed this time
 yes the milk carton is slow, it is called from outside, from the national foundation for missing children
 Hi Jan--what happened?
 Nothing....I still have 2 graphics side by side. I want 1 to be on other side of page.
 You links page was File not found 
 with NS4.04 and NS3.04 I go straight in no problems with or without
 Zonie--
 Jan--can you send me the source code by email...
 webdesign@vu.org
 not for me : )
 yep...no problem.  I just printed it out.  I'll copy and paste it over to you right now.
 i got it too.......hmmmmmm.......the links page that is
 It's very small right now.  Not much on it yet :)
 s'okay
 brb
 I hate NS: )
 hehe
 Take your time.  I have another class now...will try to get back later..or wait to hear from you.
 Sometimes it is easier to see what is going on when I can see the code Jan
 I hate MSIE
 :)
 rofl
 bye..thanks a bunch. * Otter hates MSIE too!!! :)
 cause you not got IE4 : )
 Sure do got IE4.0
 4.72 ?
 'Member me, I had to spend 20 hours redesigning the Vu web site because of a bug in IE4.0 code
 Got 4.02 now
 is like a rock
 (sinking?)
 Page Not Found
 The Server [home.sprynet.com] was unable to find the following page: 
 Page [links.htm] 
 User [crutchaids] 
 try empty cache : )
 It come right up for me in all 3 browsers
 I try so hard NOT to hate
 LOL
 Try so hard, yet some things are so easy :)
 ROFLMAO Vu_Log --you are BAAAAD
 Zonie, when I clicked on the browser link I went to your crutchaids page, (using IE) but when I clicked on the SPRYNET browser detection link it came up Page not found...
 Sometimes it can get just a tad strange in this room
 just a tad? sheesshh
 hehe
 Well other than assorted odd issues with Zonie's page are there any HTML questions?
 I zip through like hot butter
 Your page likes you.
 Which is probably for the best
 I don't know what to do, I can't reproduce any of the problems you folks say your having
 I'll sell you a slightly used copy of Netscape 4.03 cheap
 no one before tonight has said anything either
 I don't understand it
 I got here late--what is the URL?
 My NoteBook for this HTML class is at . . . . . don't copy it : )
 http://members.xoom.com/flfry/NoteBook/
 the project link
 Well... Zonie... I won't be going to your page again... not until I upgrade to Netscape 4.04... and that won't be soon... Sorry...
 It crashed my entire computer
 NS crashed your entire computer ?
 Yep... couldn't do anything
 I would be upgrading quick LOL
 I had to restart my computer
 No... LOL... I'll just stay away from your page;-)
 watch out for that applet on other pages too then : )
 Links to Tutorials, Cyber Schools, Web supplies, and more
 http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/8043/
 see what happens there 
 I've been to other pages and haven't had this problem
 has same applet
 taking a trip now to see
 I've got one up with Java that will crash your 'puter too flamingo!!!  Needs PentiumII--- LOL
 I guess what you need to think about is who is going to be your viewers of this Web page...
 Otter: Please no... not tonight... LOL
 LOL
 Can we help you nyn?
is my server(www.bright.net) plus my ~cass (my username) what would be the url of say.. page two?
 My browser keeps giving me a "plug-in did not initialize properly".  What do I do?
 oops, lost half the question! lol
 uh Floyd--Netscape just performed another Illegal operations here...one more and Mulder and Scully will be investigating
 ROFL
 LOL
 Look out Ghatten
 well if NS performs illegal ops it's not applet fault is it ?
 LOL
 Uh
 could be -- I get it on certain sites
 Zonie--I think the reason no one complained before is that their browswers crash and they are afraid to return to send you email
 LOL
 how to name my links if the file i upload has to be names index.html, my page url is my server (www.bright.net)  plus my username ~cass what would be the url of page two?
 no lots of students have been there to get stuff
 and never said anything about problems
 oh well will have to send all NS to no Java site I guess
 or to MS to download IE : )
 Usually---it would be the http://www.bright.net/~cass/thenewpagesname.html
 thanks, i thought it would be something like that
 Your directory and then the / and then the name of the page
 Zonie--the other page is the Quest for Knowledge Page?
 yes
 but it has to be uploaded as index.html is that just a folder for the whole thing?
 I just went to http://www.bright.net/~cass/ and there isn't a page there
 Can we answer your questions has question?
 didn't say there was
 The first page has to be index.html
 http://www.download.com/Mac/Result/Download/0,21,207-36462,00.html
 it will just come up with the directory
 http://www.bright.net/~cass/
 others would have the page name appended
 Zonie--that QFK page had crashed my page before---when I had graded the 828 pages and had 10 done in my email waiting to go out ROFLMAO
 that script wasn't there then
 hmmmmm
 maybe you got corrupt file somewhere ?
 Nyn did that make send for you
 The first page (the one that is the index.html)
 yes it did thanks a lot I was making way too much out of it for my little bwain
 lol
 will show up when the server + your directory and the / is entered
 the others have to have your directory the / and then name
 okay
 Has question---do you still have a question?
 yes, sorry
 about the paint shop pro
 don't apologize
 :)
 one of the links pointed to a place where you could get online classes on psp
 I got the server and the channel, but can't remember which link it was now :(
 Probably the http://www.shafran.com?  he does teach a class at 
 cause I need it now...I've pretty much got everything else down now
 not sure I would take the class without looking over all the other stuff that is available free
 maybe I should just climb inside the puter and stay in there at the rate I'm going
 this one I found is free
 LOL...Once, I asked a friend how she did some really amazing graphics on her web page
 She told me she sat at her computer with the PSP tutorials and spent 18 (yep EIGHTEEN) hours!!!!)
 I can believe it
 :)
 Ghatten, speaking of the PSP and other links in the lessons
 But the graphics were great ROFL
 Would it be possible to put the URL's there so we can see them.  If we print the page to go back to it
 when the class is done, we won't know where to go.
 If you copy the page to your computer all you need to do is log on and you should be able to use the links online
 save as html in your directory
 yes
 Oh...okay...thanks.
 Good thing I came tonight!
 :)
 dowie i saved all the lessons to a floppy, you can use the link that way if you're short on HD space
 Yes, I am.  That's a good idea.  Guess I better get busy with that.
 yes, nyn, and I am printing out all the tutorials for future reference oo
 Any other HTML questions?
 yes
 personally....do you recommend using marquis or not?
 The  tag?
 yes
 Well, it depends. Since we know that NS folks will only see static text, if it is okay that they see static text, then it's okay
 But if you really want that effect. .either don't use it since at least 1/2 of the folks won't see it
 63% of VU students are using NS 3 or 4, just a thought
 or look for a JavaApplet or JavaScript that does the same thing if you are brave
 yeah, I guess I'll have to come up with an alternative
 static?
 Also
 not THAT brave, running IE
 An animate gif can be made to simulate the  tag and it is supported by most browsers and is easy to use
 Static=still as opposed to scrolling
 Why won't NS folks see marquis?
 The  Tag is IE specific.. take a look back at the lesson (2?) where we cover "browserisms"
 I use both on my pages but they are set so that no matter what browser people are using the text will still look correct and they won't know they are missing anything
 Both what MCW?
 Sorry
 marquee and blink tags
 It's ok to use -- just don't make it the most important thing on the page!
 Ah...I had used the  Tag on a page I did for a friend since i knew she would look at it in IE...but did the same. .just made it so it was "okay" just not scrolling for Netscape
 Well--it's almost time for class to end
 Any last minute queries?
 Everybody take the Midterm?
 It's a good idea to take it even if you do not want to get a grade--will give you an idea of how well you are done
 doing
 I'm behind...but will take it when I catch up.
 only had to look for 2 of the answers!!
 Ghatten--is there another class Thursday?
 or not until Saturday?
 kittycat --class is on Saturday-- 7pm PST
 thankee--Otter
 Next class is Sat
 thanks Ghatten
 that's 7pm PST, now you say ? thought tonight was 6:30 PST then discover it is 6:30 MST :(
 Sherry -- all class times are usually listed as PST
 what time did tonight's start? 
 Makes the rest of us have to do the math!
 5:30 PST
 ok, writing it down
 VU has the time "on campus" posted in the classroom log in area
 so you can always check there
 couldn't get in yesterday morning :( and hadn't had a chance today
 Tuesday 5:30-7:00pm & Saturday, 7-8:30pm (Pacific) 
 I also posted it on the BB tonight for the Tuesday class.
 thanx dowie!!!
 Well--it's the end of class
 Nite folks!!!!!!!! Session Close: Tue Feb 03 18:54:19 1998
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