Session Start: Sat Feb 14 18:53:46 1998
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 Where is everyone tonight?
 hi
 Im here
 Valentine's Day was the latest excuse I heard about!!!!  LOL
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 hey -- pinkbird -- glad you showed up!!!!  :)
 hi
 Hi Blossom
 Howdy Otter
 Leapin took everyone that is also in ircmagic on a field trip to play games
 she might better have left me home! LOL
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 Otter: is the GeoCities page back up?
 Hi Who
 Hi Who!!!  :)
 HAPPY HEARTS DAY ALL
 Hi Guess
 Milton -- yes
 thanks who
 hello Who!!!!!!!!
 Otter: thank you.
 http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4642/thumbnail.html -- also a second page you can print out
 URL for Making a thumbnail image!!!
 Wow, it looks like no one has any questions tonight....:-)
 hello everyone Happy Valentines day!!
 So...none of us here could get a date?
 not even with a gun : )
 lolrof who!!
 Ghatten can't be her tonite -- so Who and I have decided to make Flamingo the head honcho!!!! :)
 YEAH PINK BIRD
 Otter: you are bad....
 ROFL
 You too: Who
 Who and Otter volunteer flamingo : )
 Hello all.  Wonderful job with all of the class pages!
 Well, this is the night to be in control ... no questions ... Yeah ... I'm lucky;-)
 we can even moderate now if we want to, Richard got it all fixed
 ANYBODY with questions just step right up!
 Granny....Flamingo is all ears
 is there a way on Netscape to make the hr's colored?
 No, just shaded or 3D Granny
 Sorry...can't discriminate...nor sex nor religious conviction
 
 cannot be colored -- you need to use a line graphic
 so you can color HR's on IE, but not on Netscape, can you make them larger as in width and transparent?
 Yes, Granny
 and the transparency will show the background color?
 with noshade and wide it make it look like a dent granny
 Granny: actually it is 3D and you can see some of your background through it.
 sorry about the spelling, it's cyber fingers, but will background show through a HR?
 Do any of you have a link to a complete escape sequence table?
 oh okay, must have lagged, didn't see a response
 thanks flamingo
 taw are you showing off
 You're welcome Granny
 huh?
 what is an escape sequence table
 escape sequence table??? Please be more specific
 are you talking about the ansi controls
 Oh, sorry. I used escape sequences in programming.  You know, like &nsp;
 oh, tags
 character entities
 I thought you meant like the ansi controls that are used in an autoexec file
 If I could spell... like tilde n and amulets...
 for a great FREE downloadable (study off line) reference get the HTML Reference Library (The HTML Bible) . . Published by W3C the authority on HTML, w/color wizard FREE at
 http://www.hooked.net/~tails/htmlib/
 there is a complete set in that 
 a lot of them are guessable...like & < >
 Does that help Tawanda?
 tks zoinie
 THANKS!
 no problem
 Does anyone else have a question?
 some of the plug ins referred in the last lesson only work with the expensive photo shop
 The midterm quiz scores are great so far and everyone is doing a wonderful job on their web pages!!  :)
 does it have to be webdesign related?
 thanks
 thanks otter, and everyone!!
 hahahaha
 Is there anyone out there who is still expecting there midterm grade?
 yes
 Ask away Granny
 We should hopefully have them all done by thisweek!!!
 unrelated question
 is anyone trying the beta win98
 I'm still grading midterms too  :-(
 I wish
 actually does anyone know who is grading my paper? and did they get the redo of question 20 and 21?
 Uhhh Windows 95 messes up enough... why should I try YET ANOTHER  Microsoft experiment!
 lolrof Tawanda, I agree there
 Granny --they've been coming in by the dozens and I haven't checked to see who they're all from!!!
 I agree too
 I'm not sure if I have yours either Granny
 If you can hold off on the Win98, have heard of two cases where crashed occurred... 
 okay just checking flamingo
 Ive finally got this thing to run and now they are coming with a new system
 think ill go back to cpm
 I think that we all will be going to NT before long
 or lynx
 lynix
 linyx
 hahahah
 Flamingo: you have to make SURE the programs you want to use WORK in NT
 some don't !!
 it wont run DOS programs
 People made fun of DOS, written in BASIC.  I still use it to do global moves and copies.
 if it ain't broke don't fix it........I'm staying with win95 for a long while......lol
 From much of what I've been reading Microsoft will only be offering NT or something like it by 2000
 I like DOS
 I did DOS too!
 so did I!
 and basica
 well a free system is making progress,,,it is linux
 Yep, me too... I've even programmed on cards;-)
 I do some DOS
 But it will be a few years before everyone can afford to upgrade!!!
 DOS handled games better than windows does. My kids are always complaining when they use win95 games
 I have programmed a LOT on paper tape !
 you can always go back to DOS no problem : )
 lol, Milton, same here
 that is because most of the games in win95 havn't even been done because the graphics is so intensive
 I used to do PCAM with plug boards...top that
 the problem with new games is that they need more RAM
 You can set up a MULTI-BOOT on a computer, DOS, NT, Win-95, Linux, Lynx, etc
 I had an Atari computer
 Who: I'm not admitting to that
 Who: I did too
 LOL
 I had an Osborne
 64k ram
 ahhahaha
 hehe started with a commodore 64
 LOL
 First Computer I ran on was a Univac 1050-II
 I started with an IBM 709
 I PROGRAMMED USING A STONE AZ, if you have never dropped your box of punch cards, you haven't lived
 am running 64mb ram now
 who: you beat me
 show off
 amen Tawanda : )
 LOL, Tawanda, I did that once in College
 been there too Tawanda!!!!
 LOL
 are we going to get any more lessons on Paint shop pro
 Atari 800 at Atari computer camp in San Diego lots of years ago  I have been using that computer until last year
 first cardnal rule computer programing 101, "Don't drop the box"
* z-poker thinks the group is full of baby boomers
 Augustus: I don't think so... any other Instructors know
 All this is still so new but a lot like the stuff we did back then in '82
 if anyone is interested, there is a help group in the news groups for PSP
 yes I go to the psp newsgroup too augustus, they are good
 and there is one for agent
 http://www.ktc.com/personal/lee
Oh yes augustus The priest who is the archivist for our Diocese is now using a computer for his work. Last week he got the works and is struggling with psp. I can show him how to get to the help group. Newsgroup?
 ANY HTML QUESTIONS?
 yes, who, can anyone do the rest of my html on my pages?
 Who what is the next lesson on?
 MCW:  there is a 24 hours book he might read $19.95
 Granny: just ask who
 well  who asked!!
 The net...next question
 WHO? I have a question?
 lol granny --do you need help with something special?
 who, can anyone do the rest of my html on my pages?
 yes otter, I really do, now seriously
 thanks milton he also got a MAC! and we have pc's in the office.
 granny
 I need to know how to get my dora school pages to be on the search engines
 Aha...that is week 7 or 8...
 but i'm sure we can help you out with that
 seriously, how do we do search engines upload?
 it's lesson 8granny -- but you have to submit your site
 really otter, I can't wait that long for lessons, I need to upload the dora school pages, to search engines now
 There are certain URL's that will list it on many search engines for you so you don't have to do each one yourself
 so that the kids can find them
 Granny, some places let you join for free ... others cost to help you get setup so Search Engines find your site
 GW: the best ones are free !
 oh I see so can I do a search for search engine loading?
 Fellow scholars, Search Engine placement is a whole separate study!  My TV silt owner paid $200 for me to take online classes... and still I had a LOT of work to get his site to show up in all categories that he wanted.
 Is it necessary to use meta tags to get the html listed in search engines?
 okay, oh by the way just for your information, Bill Gates, office donated 23,000+ in software for the school
 Granny -- try-- http://www.addme.com/
 Lesson 6 is on WEB DESIGN
 thanks otter
 what makes for good/bad pages
 Hmmm. Maybe I should develop some info that I learned on the class page.
 coooool Granny!!!!
 GW: http to www.altavista.digital.comto www.yahoo.com, etc. then find their ADD page
 Also, many sites like yahoo, alta vista, etc. have a button someplace on their page to submit your URL
 Lesson 7 more design including java discussion
 thanks all, 
 Granny!  I told you that he would come through.  Way to go Bill!
 Granny did you tell him about all the pages we had out there about the school?
 Lesson 8 more design including frames, dynamic, counters, addons
 Thats all folks
 We also have over $15,000 in donations in cash for graduating class (hopefully for scholarships)
 just 8 lessons?
 yes yea bill, can use the mauals to shingle the roof LOL
 Yes, dddd, just 8 lessons
 not yet mcw I am sending a thank you letter with the url listed on it
 they sent licenses for 151 puter in their software, it was a great surprise
 also nikie, and segasoft sent in donations so far too
 That is great Granny
 Any other HTML questions tonight?
 How did Bill Gates find out?
 nope otter thanks for you help
 I emailed him who
 and about 200 other corporations and company's
 LOL -- pretty sneaky granny!!!!
 Granny: what type and size of school
 Great...love to hear that story....
 go Granny!!!!!!!!
 a small rural school of about 350 students flamingo, did you not see the pages on it?
 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3111
 She also had letters posted on peoples pages, published in church bulletins, in  organizations newsletters
 Granny: I work for an inner city school with over 2,000 students
 the school was over 50 years old when it burned to the ground
 yes thanks to mcw who helped me get the message out!!
 we sent out notices too
 thanks who!!
 and others too lots of others
 everyone has been great!!
 it has helped a lot
 Now you must put up a page showing the rebuild
 really glad it's all helping granny!!  :)
 the local civic center (30 miles away) opened the basketball court and building for the homecoming last night
 yes I will who, first they are taking out the old and then making the new
 we want movies granny!!!!!
 the only problem is we are so small a community they say it will be about 2 years before it is fully built
 lolrof mcw, I will try, but don't have vhs only beta, old beta camera
 now you need someone to come in and document its growth for you
 that would be great, 
* Who thinks It takes a Village!
 email Kodak and pps
and tv
and radio
 I did mcw kodak also
 email 60 minutes granny!!!!
 tv coverage is great too
and newspapers state wide
 thanks otter will try 60 minutes
 and 20/20, 48hrs., etc.
 yes state wide papers are listing info also
 I will otter, didn't think of them
 there are so many that don't respond, it is disheartening sometimes to keep sending out emails
 but the ones that do, make your heart sore!!
 opps soar
 If Bill Gates helped -- push his name to get the tv stations to help out too!!!!:)
* Who has a question for all of you
 GW:You must find an INDIVIDUAL in the right place to get a response.They get HUNDREDS of e-mails a day
 yes who?
 Now that we are half-way through...whats been your experience with the various homepage hosts?
 that is true milton, I am still working on it. okay will do, now I need to go feed my better half his valentines dinner, have a nite all!! Happy Holiday!!
 geocities is a good place who, as long as you add their geoguide
 good night Granny!!!!!
 take caregranny -- good luck!
 and tripod is rotten with theirs
 nite granny
 thanks everyone!!
 See ya granny
 nite!!
 yes but then gave me an extra mb to my file
 Any experiences with Xoom?
 I have a question!
 Go ahead Ro
 Go ahead Ro
 earthlink is ok--just increased our pages to 6 m
 Who I got space at xoom, you need to know something ?
 I seem to be getting a lot of traffic on my site on my Valentine's Day page.  Normally that would be wonderful new.  However, my traffic level is free up to 1 gig and then EarthLink start charging.
 I have been in contact with them because I think that someone may be linked to my site.  But they are not helping.
 uhoh.........
 LOL  congratulations!!!!
 They keep telling me that they cannot do anything because my 6 megs of webspace is free with my EarthLink Account
 I would think they would want the traffic
 I am getting concerned because I have no intentions of paying them for traffic.
 lol
 Your ISP can look at the logs and find who REFERRED each contact
 Anyone have any ideas what  I can do besides move my pages from EarthLink
 better remove it then.........huh?
 Ro: I ran into the same problem. Someone found one of my Teen sites and has a link to one page and I'm getting so much traffic there too... but I think it is great
 move them to xoom
 >> Ro << is earthlink your ISP ?
 Ro...are they measuring hits or what?
 Yes, Ro, I'd move it too
 flamingo:  You can take the TITLE line out of your page.  Then a SEARCH ENGINE will NOT reference them.
 Valentine's day is almost over-- are you planning to keep the page up?
 Will your Valentine page be relevant after today?
 what would be the point of a server offering a page but not wanting the traffic?
 Milton: it is funny the title is similar on each page but they have just one page linked... I think that someone has a link to the page
 they are fun to look at anytime of year
 Ok that can be done.
  I am putting links to my holiday pages now because my kids go look for them
 Zonie, yes EarthLink is my ISP
 they want the traffic ........they just want your money tooooooo.........
 Hey...lets all go to Ro's page now!
 >> Ro << and they won't help you to stop this problem ?
 Who is bad tonite!!!
 >> Ro << if SPRYNET were to charge me for traffic, I wouldn't have a page up there I'd put them else where and forget theres
 Ro -- keep your space at earthlink and move your page to GeoCities
 Who is always BAD BAD BAD!
 I once saw a site that helps people find out if anyone is linked to them and then goes after them but I can't remember where I saw it or what their name was.
 I agree with Zonnie
 Has anyone seen this society on the web?
 bout ready to drop GeoCities, because ftp is being limited to like 8 files at a time, real pain
 I want people to link to me.  What is the problem?
 Ro...this society?
 Tawanda you would not want it if you had to pay for 
 Ro: how much traffic does Earthlink allow?
 I tried to move the page to AOL and found that I have reached my limit on my jobfindr site.  I can open op another of the 4 sites left to me there in the meantime.
 What if you don't pay?  Will they delete your site?
 1 gig of traffic is free.  
 earthonline offers 10mb but no folders
 1 gig when?
 FortuneCity offers 6mb and can have folders
 The only reason why I am so concerned is because this is no unnatural.  My other pages on EarthLink don't get that many hits as I have been concentrating on my AOL site.
 what does 1 gig mean?
 I have sites at both of them
 Ro: Per month ??
 how do you measure a gig of traffic?
 1 gig a month
 amount of files downloaded by browser
 giga BYTE
 per month Milton
 not much traffic : )
 They are measuring it, I'm not.  They say that they measure it by the size of the page.
 I probably run that myself playing with my pages LOL
 lol
 yeah
 me too Zonie!!!!  ROFL
 If you have a site that is 2 gig, and the page that someone is loading is 10,000 byes, then the 10,000 byes are supposed to be what is measured.
 Ro: time to move  :-(
 that is only 333 hits a day for 10 MB
 got that right flamingo
 Ro -- just move it to another server and leave a forwarding URL
 Ro: leave a short link
 to the new site
 Yes... I think it is time to move the pages.  But where to go is yet another story.  Any suggestions.  I see you were talking about that when I arrived.
 "This site has moved due to Earthlinks meager hit policy"
 Have Xoom or Fortunecity improved speed yet?
 not a lot no
 GeoCities is easy -- except for their new 'sponsorship' ads!!!!  :(
 What are these sponsorship ads? and how much space do they give?
 there not to bad, just close and for get : )
 I like GeoCities... 3megs
 Tripod is fairly good -- but they're running ads now too!!
 I don't like those popup that GeoCities has.
 geo 3mb (no folders), FortuneCity 6mb, earthonline 10mb(no folders)
 If you putthe geoguide on 'each' page Ro --you don't get thepopup at GeoCities!!!
 xoom 2mb, tripod 2mb
 what do you mean folders, do you mean directories off the main page?
 you gonna get ads or bill which you want : )
 yes directorys for images etc.
 I thought that Zoom was 10 megs
 maybe, been awhile since I signed up : )
 Zoom has directories or no?
 xoom yes
 Ro -- you can also put part of your site on one server and have the pages link to another to add more space
 says 5 on home page
 Mine link allover the place!!!! LOL
 5mb that is : )
 That's what was happening here.  I have my main site on AOL and the holidays pages were linked from EarthLink.  I just find it amazine that this one page has gotten so much traffic in one month.  It's a good page, but that good?  It amazes me.
 Dont' you think that something must be off here?
 Tripod has some sort of deal where you can have a bigger site is you pay $18 for 6 months.
 most places do
 Geo has same type with pay
 most do
 like I said ads or bills : )
 I think the best bet for now is to move the pages to one of my AOL sites and link off there I have found both aol and GeoCities to be pretty easy to use
 I take the ads, and really don't mind the popup ones, cause you only get once and can close it
 Otter: YOU and LEAPIN have SO many addresses and e-mail names
 AOL is ok, but it is slow.
 My pages have been there since MAY.
* Otter only has about10 emails!!!! :)
 Me too, Otter
 I don't want to move that site as everyone is used to that one.  I am wondering how their prices are going to change for the Bring Your Own Access people.
 Ro: my pages have been on for 4 years !
 I have about 10....hehehe
 secrect put your make your index.html an auto send page, only gets hit once : )
* Otter lost track of how many websites!!!  LOL
 zonie: how do you do that
 
 zonie: thanks
 no problem : )
 What does that mean Zonie?
 bye
 you can change the content # it is in seconds
 coontent="30 would be 30 seconds
 Does anyone have anymore questions?
 Zonie -- that will only switch hits to the index.html
 so you can put up a welcome message, that is what I use mine for, like at christmas and the like
 if her page is val.html -- it won't be affected
 index1.htm or any URL you put there
 you can change the URL too : )
 I still haven't got my music on my page :-(
 all of a sudden my music started working all by itself
 nipsi -- what's the problem?
 The simplest cross-browser code
 If you want simple code without having to worry whether someone is using Netscape or something else, here it is:
 
 
<Zonie> <BGSOUND SRC="targetURL">
<Zonie> 
 if you want the music to loop (keep playing or play x times REPEAT=x or LOOP=x)
 
 
<Zonie> <BGSOUND SRC="targetURL" LOOP=INFINITE>
<Zonie> 
 the  tags prevent MSIE 4.x from trying to do both and causing problems.
 for more information on sounds on your web page try
 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4294/midixbbm.html#model
 nipsi: do you have your page up somewhere that we can take a look at it
 yes hold on
 http://www.geocities/SiliconValley/Horizon/8668
 you forgot the .com : )
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon
 yes, I'm sorry...
 nipsi: did you upload the sound?
 and make sure the spelling of it is correct?
 you need a  for your first Java Script 
 what's the rest of the address?
 nipsi: I got a Java error
 shoot
 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/8668
 I did too --but I think it was in the GeoCities connection!!!  Forgot to look!
 >> nipsi << you need to enclose the bgsound in it's own tag and then enclose it in  IE4 won't work there
 What was the error?
  you need a  for your first Java Script 
 me too...java error line 65 & 66
 Java alert error
 Thanks.  Will fix.  brb
 second one has one not first
 nipsi: I had JAVA (and script) turned off and have NO SOUND and refused the COOKIE, so it worked for me.
 nipsi: you have two  tags ... take one out
 >> nipsi << take a look at thoese tags I pasted earlier, there is a URL with them the will help you a lot
 My Netscape crashed on the error
 but where did that java script come from nipsi didn't put it on her page
 THE NUMBER ONE ERROR I HAVE FOUND IN CORRECTING PAGES FOR MIDTERM: TOO MANY BODY TAGS
 does she need to put geoguide on or the popup
 the jave error says it's in the geo ad -- they place it on the page automatically!!!
 I that thats what is because we put her page onto the page geo gave her
 >> MCW << geo ad banner is one of them, geo puts it in auto
 the geo ad isthe pop-up
  then took out what we didnt need from the geo stuff
 nipsi: Also put  right before 
 I think she making corrections not reading : )
 ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
 any answers ? : )
 Well gang, it is time for me to say goodnight
 have a good one
 bye
 thanks flamingo -- have a goodnite!!!
 Seeya all on Tuesday night
 nite flame
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 >> nipsi << you back yet ?
 If no one has anyomore HTML questions -- I think we'll call it a night and you all can just chat!
 Is it too late to hand it the midterm?
 RO...go ahead
 only if you don't include a bribe : )
 deadline was last week Ro -- are you taking class for credit?
 -
 Otter...thought we extended it...or was that til last week
 Otter: have the CRU e-mails been sent out yet?
 think is on a one by one thing Who
 No, only my own credit!
 go ahead and send it -- Ro --use subject line "MIDTERM REVIEW"
 I haven't received and email about CEU's yet and I been watching
 If it is for your own interest just send it
 How does one get credit for the course, is it too late for that now?
 we'll be happy to check it out for you RO
 there was suppose to be a midterm sign up, but nothing yet
 So you mean I could still get credit?
 they may have changed there minds
 What is the credit for?
 Ro...try it...can't hurt
 Check the VU site RO -- not sure what they're doing about it
 Someone told me that there is a good class over at ZDU on Frames.
 I sent registrar a message yesterday asking about it.  The web page says e-mail by FEB 7.  I did not look at mail today -- YET
 Continuing Education Units (credits)
 can help you at school or sometimes at your job
 Ro: what is ZDU
 Ro: CEU's are used by certain professions to qualify for or renew licenses
 Would be good for job, no more school for me.
 Ro get the tutorial at my site on frames it is great and free
 for a great FREE downloadable (study off line) set of tutorials on HTML, Tables, Forms, and Frames
 http://junior.apk.net/~jbarta/tutor/makapage/index.html
 Frames is/are included in week 8 this semester
 I have the jparta one on my site as well, do you have another one Zonie as well for frames?
 Zonie - page was a great help to me!  Thanks
 that one has one for frames
 Milton, ZDU is Ziff Davis University on the web.
 a real good one
 Ro thank you
 I have links to several online schools at my site
 Links to Tutorials, Cyber Schools, Web supplys, and more
 http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/8043/
 Is that the URL for your site Zonie
 yes
 all I know about frames I got from the frames tutorial
 that site and another one of mine is framed : )
 promoting frames and Cyber Schools now : )
 I will look....  
 I'm having trouble with my psp
 What kind of trouble Anna?
 well, I got this tutorial, but some of the instructions I can't follow
 I don't have the tools.....are there plugins I'm supposed to install?
 HotSprings/8043/ca2/start2.htmdoes not exist.  That is the text plus graphics site
 From what I understand there are filters to get.  I don't know much about that yet though.
 ok....hmmm....wonder where you get them
 which tools?
 >> z-Milton_S << sure does try again : )
 for one thing, I don't have the pencil
 Put a message on the bulletin board at PSP User's Group.  Last week was the first week that I was there so I am not sure yet.
 I have dropper, line, brush, and the double brush
 do you have shareware or did you buy the program anna?
 um...well...it's registered
 you paid!!!!
 >> z-Milton_S << hay wait there is no HotSpring/8043/ca2/start2.htm
 that is SPRYNET for crutchaids : )
 go to http://www.jasc.com and search around for what you need
 HotSprings/8043/txtonly.htm doesn't either
 Let me look at mine Anna, I have the sharewhere version of 4.12 on this system now.
 ok
 while you are doing that i'm getting coffee
 Tell you guys, this uploading is soooooooooo slow
 >> z-Milton_S << I'm at Hot Springs how are you getting there ?
 I am there
 Anna, is it supposed to look like a pencil with an eraser?
 with what ?
 NS 3 NS 4 IE4 ?
 cause I get textonly no sweat
 in all 3 browsers
 I'll try again
 no, it's the other end of the pencil
 do you have the full tool bar showing anna?
 it's from the tutorials at grafix-design.com
 no, don't have it booted up right now
 >> nipsi << you back yet ?
 I have it up Otter.  What do you want me to look at?
 k -- when you have the program on, be sure you have the full toolbar up and then check the help file and see if you can find it
 well ya'll...gotta toodle
 Zonie: I am using IE 3.01  and I get the first page, but not the rest.  I get the NON-JAVA Browser page (I have it turned off)
 toodle-looWho!!!
 I have 16 options
 >> z-Milton_S << copy paste the URL here please
 Zonie I have one question for you
 shoot
 the one in the tutorial has 22 options
 There is answer version ofPSP out now
 Where do I get popups for my mIRC?
 for mIRC help, tips, Popups, Scripts, Aliases, Remotes and more. A mIRC approved site.
 links to get mIRC, and step-by-step instructions with screen shots, of how to get to VU chats
 there is a current list of servers and class channels here also, written in Newbie, no Geek
 the instructor for IRCmagic has requested that those taking the IRCmagic course download version 5.11
 http://members.xoom.com/flfry/
 maybe that'sthe one in the tutorial
 how new? this one is only about a week or two old
 some there, you can also do a search for them on the net
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 I'm confused what is version 5.11, is that for mIRC.  I just installed 5.31 the other night.  Am I behind already?
 ok, I have 4.10
 yes but only the IRCmagc class was to get it, it's an older version
 4.14 is the newest shareware on the web now.
 her lesson plan was already made up around it before the new one came out
 oh geez, and I wonder which one came with my book
 that's the one I want on the puter because it has the companion
 What book are you talking about Anna
 psp for beginners
 That is what you got from here?
 the one recommended in the syllabus...no, I got it from amazon
 That's what I mean
 You have to download the newest version from the web.
 when I tried to get it from VU, my card did a burp
 I have both the 4.12 and 4.14.  If you want I would be happy to send yhou  4.12 as an attachment.
 If you have a registered and paid version of PSP --you should probablybe able to upgrade it for free.
 nah, I just might have it, just got the book yesterday
 Did you register it with JASC or are you talking about paying for the book?
 paying
 well I got go, have a good one all
 I don't know for sure about the program
 all I know for sure is I have a fully functional working copy on the drive
 All the copies of PSP are fully functional.
 not a shareware
 when you start it up -- does it say you need to register?
 no
 Does it have a counter on the front which shows how many days you have been using it?
 or that you are in a 30 day trial period?
 no
 and no
 did you pay about $70 for it?
 I didn't get it
 it magically appeared on my puter, not sure if my husband went out and bought it or borrowed it
 There is a counter above where the two buttons ... One says ORDER Paint Shop Pro and the says START Paint Shop Pro.  Do you have that?
 Well, check with hubby -- maybe he got you a present!!!!  LOL
 it just starts up
 no buttons for ordering
 so apparently we have a registration number
 Anna... Go into the program...  Click on Help/About and tell us what version it is
 brb
 4.10
 Then it has to be an older copy.  How could 4.10 be a more modern copy than what we have as shareware.
 Are you using Win95?
 It got so quiet here.
 yup
 back
 see, I have suspicions here
 Suspicions???
 well, my husband has a few games that came with "cracks"
 Let me look at the JASC site... wait here!
 that he has gotten from friends
 any program I want to keep I want legit....that way I can get upgrades
 Well, I don't know what happened.  It's darn slow for some reason
 I have PSP4.12 that I got last March
 Zodie, will you please check and look at the Java and see what's still wrong?
 well, then he probably got this from someone
Paint Shop Pro 4.14 for Windows 95 and NT 4.0 only 
 Zonie's gonenipsi -- class isover!!!
Paint Shop Pro 3.12 for Windows 3.1x and NT 3.51 
 Zonie, that uploading is sooooooooooooo slow!I could not even get to the net this afternoon.  They said
 Those are the two versions that they are advertising.
 I have the program that came with the book, just can't seem to find which version it is
 open PSP --click on HELP and then on ABOUT PSP-- it should tell you which version it is
 does this program come with an uninstaller?
 it was a first time that the superhighway was
 the one with the book, I don't have downloaded
 You don't necessarily have to use the one with the book.  Sometimes the books are published before a new version comes out.  You can go to http://www.jasc.com and download the newest version.  I had problems with PSP 4.14 but everyone else is using it.  I have now on my system 4.12 which I had from last year on my other computer.  I put it here and it works fine.  But then again I reformatted my entire C drive last Sunday 
 completely snarled...
 MCW are you there?
 well, at least now, I know why I'm having difficulties
 I gotta run-- see you all on Tuesday nite!!!
 Goes to CTRL Panel add/delete and see if PSP is in the list.... If not, go to Explorer and open up the PSP folder.  You should see a file called ... unwise.exe ... click on that and that should be the uninstaller program for PSP.

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