STI Log: June 02, 2004: Modified to remove greets and other unrelated comments and actions and fix My bad spelling (where I noticed)

[16:01]  time to get started 
[16:03]  okay ... today is more a practice than a serious "training session"
[16:04]  we will play with the format a bit, but if it goes well, I will try to hold something like this every week
[16:04]  drags ariella down to learn with her
[16:04]  I enjoy questions and discussion, but if it becomes unwieldly, we will create a formal process for that
[16:05]  I will be mixing standard Gorean customs with rules of STI with My own philosophy
[16:05]  and, I plan to take advantage of the /me function from time to time as well ... short scenes , as it were
[16:06]  everyone following Me so far?
[16:06]  yes Master
[16:06] * kishy nods twice
[16:06] * barbara{Kur} nods softly
[16:06] * lina{D^d} nods..
[16:06]  good
[16:06]  yes Master
[16:06]  R-Flagg, do you want greetings and begging enter to be stoped?
[16:06]  it's okay for now Da^id ... when we get into things, if it becomes a problem, we can stop it then
[16:06]  ok
[16:07]  from time to time, I plan to pole the room,
[16:07]  I will ask each girl in turn for a response to a question
[16:07]  pole?
[16:07]  each of you will be expected to answer, and no talking out of turn
[16:07] * R-Flagg will say who is to answer and then listen
[16:08]  we can get to that later
[16:08]  now ... to start ...
[16:09]  do all of you know STI's rules?
[16:09] * dina{STI} thinks
[16:09]  or, better yet, do any of you not know them?
[16:09]  No, Master .. 
[16:09]  kyra is not familiar with specific rules to STI Master Flagg
[16:10]  kishy either.. just basic etiquette
[16:10]  neither is this girl
[16:10]  okay ... the rules can be found at http://www.oocities.com/slave_traders_inn/Rules.html
[16:11]  you should all be familiar with them if you are regularly here
[16:11]  thank you Master Flagg
[16:11]  will reread them .. been awhile
[16:12]  go ahead and read them ... if you have any questions, bring them up with Me or Da^id later
[16:12]  for now, I want to focus on a couple of them
[16:12]  4.  All slaves are expected to be ready to serve
[16:12]  there are exceptions given depending on your restrictions,
[16:13]  but if you are in here, you are expected to serve to the best of your ability and to the utmost limit of your restrictions
[16:13]  is there anyone in here who does not know what that means?
[16:14]  I will take the silence to mean that everyone understands
[16:14] * lina{D^d} shakes her head as she continue to listen
[16:14] * lina{D^d} nods nods to His second sentence
[16:15]  9. is important also
[16:15] * kishy smiles
[16:15]  Gor is sexy
[16:16] * kishy smiles
[16:16]  if anyone is here because they think it is a Baptist Church revival, you have done a good job of fooling Me
[16:16] * gia{FH} chuckles
[16:16] * kishy giggles
[16:16]  but as the second part of that rule suggests,
[16:16] * me`chelle smiles
[16:16] * {ariella}DG smiles
[16:16]  Amen
[16:16]  there is a difference between sexy/slutty and crude
[16:16] * R-Flagg smiles at Da^id
[16:16]  darn He stole a girls line , hehe
[16:17] * dina{STI} listens
[16:17]  girl need to understand the balance
[16:17]  some Men might like crude ... the cruder the better even,
[16:17] * Messick sits back, listens
[16:18]  and if you are serving such a Man ... when it crosses the line, take Him to the alcoves or sit on His lap (face, knee, favourite body part)
[16:18]  in other words, bring it to PM
[16:18]  the room deserves an ambiance of tension
[16:18]  that is what makes something sexy ... interesting
[16:20]  any questions ?
[16:20]  good
[16:20] * R-Flagg smiles
[16:20] * gia{FH} smiles
[16:20]  finally, and this is not explicit in the rules,
[16:20]  13
[16:20]  the common rules of Gor will be adhered to in STI
[16:21]  everyone knows no co-channelling,
[16:21]  but I think the "rule" of no PM's without mentioning them in channel has been lost
[16:21]  girls when they are in the room are to be paying attention to what is going on in the room
[16:21]  I did intentfully not include it
[16:22]  I think it is acceptable if you are not busy to PM another girl in the room who is not busy,
[16:23]  and if you are on a Master's lap or furs, obviously you may PM Him
[16:23] * Messick nods
[16:23]  but c/p that are intended for conversations not even remotely associated with the channel seem to keep popping up
[16:23]  which show all too often that the girls here are not really here
[16:24]  they are split
[16:24] * gia{FH} continues listening
[16:24]  I would not want to force that rather heavy handed rule on everyone here ... use your discression,
[16:25]  but think a bit harder about it 
[16:25]  if you are having trouble following the channel,
[16:25]  then say good bye to whoever else you are chatting with
[16:25] * Sennot chuckles at R-Flagg's notes
[16:26]  finally, remember that in all cases, even Mine,
[16:26]  Da^id has the final word
[16:26] * Messick nods in agreement
[16:26]  we are not a democracy
[16:26] * Da^id smiles
[16:27]  indeed not
[16:27]  we do not rule by majority here
[16:27]  most of the time, the Masters agree or at least discuss
[16:27] * dina{STI} knows who to tattle tale to now
[16:27]  but when it comes right down to it, 
[16:27]  I rather see the rest of the men here as a senate if you will
[16:27]  Da^id's final say goes
[16:27]  for slaves and Men alike
[16:27]  ultimately yes
[16:28]  any questions about the "rules"?
[16:28]  no Master
[16:28]  nope
[16:28]  will they be published?
[16:28]  they are
[16:28]  they are at http://www.oocities.com/slave_traders_inn/Rules.html
[16:28]  its nothing such unusual.... most places have the same basics
[16:29]  there are some revisions I suspect?
[16:29]  not since we discussed it on the mailing list
[16:29]  not really Sennot ... at least not if everyone maintains the spirit of them
[16:29]  "it is not meet to be commanded in all things"
[16:29]  one rule is half void....
[16:29]  there is no first girl at this time
[16:29] * R-Flagg nods to Da^id
[16:29]  only a second girl, gia
[16:30]  ok
[16:30]  the fg place stays vacant
[16:30] * R-Flagg moves on to the next "topic"
[16:30]  the attitude of a kajira
[16:31] * dina{STI} knows she has to pay attention now
[16:31]  each of you (Men, you may speak too if you wish) give Me one word or phrase that describes the attitude of a kajira
[16:31] * dina{STI} raises her hand
[16:31]  that does.. or "should" Master Flagg?
[16:31]  just speak dina
[16:31]  pleasing
[16:31] <`Mecurio> complete and utter servitude
[16:32]  should barbara ... the best attitude
[16:32]  loyal
[16:32]  charming
[16:32] <{ariella}DG> compliant 
[16:32]  obbedient
[16:32]  humble
[16:32]  devoted
[16:32] * R-Flagg smiles
[16:32]  just one Sennot
[16:32]  honor 
[16:33]  ahh
[16:33]  exciting
[16:33]  its such a tapestry of beauties
[16:33] <{ariella}DG> wanton and desirous
[16:34]  compliant
[16:34] <`Mecurio> a slut with bright red nail polish
[16:34] * Messick sits back, listens, thinks of his kajira
[16:34]  pleasing, loyal, charming, compliant, obedient, humble, devoted, honourable, exciting, wanton and desirous, utter servitude, 
[16:34] * dina{STI} starts taking notes
[16:34] * R-Flagg thinks that was all of them
[16:34]  I will add one more, as all of those are good
[16:34]  forgot the red nail polish
[16:34]  "Boldly Submissive"
[16:35] * Sennot smiles
[16:35]  Boldly submissive Master?
[16:35]  I am glad you did not all say "submissive", but I am also suprized that none of you did
[16:35]  is that not at the heart of being a slave?
[16:36]  maybe its language, but doesnt devoted include submissive?
[16:36]  submitting to your Master, and indeed to the will of strong Men in general?
[16:36]  it's the ideal, yes
[16:36]  obedient?
[16:36]  that would seem to imply submission
[16:36]  devoted and obedient actually mean something slightly different
[16:36]  but not to get into symantics
[16:37]  perhaps Master Flagg....submissive offers non-gorean connotations?  
[16:37]  by adding Boldly, I want to express something of My own philosophy as to what makes a kajira
[16:37] <`Mecurio> its complete and total servitude
[16:37]  dina thinks she is submissive
[16:37] * Sennot smiles to dina
[16:37] <`Mecurio> submission is different
[16:37] * dina{STI} listens
[16:38]  does anyone here think a kajira should not be submissive?
[16:38]  regardless of what the other words mean?
[16:38]  then one could also add "female".. its a basic sorta too.. i think the term "kajira" includes her submission already as well as being female
[16:38]  no Master....gia agrees
[16:38]  non-submissive = non kajira
[16:38]  no, Master Flagg
[16:38] * R-Flagg understands kishy
[16:38]  good
[16:39]  point is, I think submission is an absolute ... it must exist, or what's the point?
[16:39]  wonders what Bold has to be in it
[16:39]  mmmmmmmm
[16:39]  the bold is to augment the submission,
[16:39]  yes kishy
[16:40]  does submissive mean "doormat"?
[16:40]  no
[16:40]  I think a doormat is submissive,
[16:40] <`Mecurio> being bold means to go the extra mile
[16:40]  ohhh never Master
[16:40]  but it does not go both ways does it?
[16:40]  doormats can be pulled out from under Masters
[16:40]  there is pride in Gorean submission
[16:40]  exactly Sennot
[16:40]  lol who wants a doormat?
[16:40] * R-Flagg nods to Mecurio comment as well
[16:41]  a knowledge that not all females can BE Gorean
[16:41]  or rather
[16:41]  sometimes true submission is also reserved.........not everyone has the personality of boldness
[16:41]  so, if submissive does not mean "doormat",
[16:41]  not all females are blessed to be Gorean
[16:41]  what does it mean?
[16:41]  hmm
[16:41]  all them other words we gave Master?
[16:42] * R-Flagg smiles
[16:42]  they are part of it, dina
[16:42]  but they are not a definition
[16:42]  how about seeking the will of the Master served
[16:42]  and don't quote from the dictionary anyone
[16:42] * R-Flagg could do taht
[16:42] * R-Flagg smiles
[16:42]  that is good Sennot
[16:42]  it is certainly close to what I am looking for
[16:43]  submission to another's will ...
[16:43]  it means to do what?
[16:43]  its what makes the Gorean in me burn brighter when I sense it
[16:43]  to give what?
[16:43] * R-Flagg nods
[16:43] * R-Flagg knows that feeling too
[16:43]  no takers?
[16:43] <{ariella}DG> its not all black and white.. submission must grow too and that defines it from doormat 
[16:44]  well a slave would have to know the Master to be able to submit to his will
[16:44]  it does grow ariella ... that is true
[16:44]  how so ariella?
[16:44] <{ariella}DG> submission is not doing its a feeling from the soul
[16:44]  to give or to forgo what one may believe is their "right" under some misbegotten codex or philosophy
[16:44]  most girls need a guide to guide them on their submission road 
[16:44]  indeed lina
[16:44] * Da^id smiles at lina
[16:45]  but ultimately, submission means to give *what* to your Master?
[16:45]  to give all of oneself at the will of the Dominant.. in the way he wishes?
[16:45]  trust
[16:45] <`Mecurio> control
[16:45]  TRUST ... excellent word
[16:45]  trust in what?
[16:45]  how about the self in totality?
[16:45] <{ariella}DG> Master Messick submission is an inborn factor and it is felt during an act 
[16:45]  contorl is good too
[16:45]  and "all of oneself"
[16:45]  what kind of "act"
[16:46] <{ariella}DG> Some can perfom acts that mimick 
[16:46] * Sennot nods to Randal
[16:46]  mimick what?
[16:46]  not with a cam ariella
[16:46]  ari, we are looking at the ideal here though
[16:46] <{ariella}DG> yes Master R-Flagg 
[16:46]  they cannot maintain that
[16:46]  "I dont know what your destiny will be, but one thing I know, the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve" Dr Albert Scheitzer
[16:46]  not necessarily what *can* or does happen
[16:46]  but what individual kajira should want to happen
[16:47] <{ariella}DG> smiles 
[16:47] * R-Flagg smiles at me`chelle's quote
[16:47]  its a good one
[16:47] * me`chelle smiles back
[16:47]  so ... 
[16:47] * R-Flagg summarizes
[16:47]  what do you mean by, "want to happen"?
[16:47]  a girl submits her Trust, her will and her self,
[16:47]  intrestingly its a part of every good leaders or Masters personality too
[16:48]  want, as in want to achieve, Messick
[16:48]  oops sorry R-Flagg
[16:48]  np
[16:48]  achieve what....happeness with her master?
[16:48]  more like ... submission to her Master
[16:49]  I don't think so Bro
[16:49]  girls can easily "pretend" to submit
[16:49]  its a calling
[16:49]  but that would not be the goal
[16:49]  the goal would be to trust a Master so much that she can submit completely to Him
[16:49]  well that may be but never happens, unless you have a doormat for a slave
[16:49]  I think the focusing on the goal of perfection of submission should be the goal;
[16:50]  ahh
[16:50] * R-Flagg smiles
[16:50] * R-Flagg was getting to that
[16:50]  what is a doormat?
[16:50]  a girl without "will"
[16:50]  a "lump"....a dummy
[16:50]  a doormat is just a girl who lies under His boot and waits to be stepped on
[16:50] * R-Flagg nods
[16:50]  I never said the girl purges her will,
[16:50]  only that she *give* it to her Master
[16:51]  she subjugates it
[16:51]  and in giving it, it is His to use and enjoy
[16:51]  harnesses it for the betterment of the one she serves
[16:51]  so ... loyalty is a consequence
[16:51]  as is devotion
[16:51]  obedience
[16:51] * Sennot hushes
[16:51]  she is full of all her strengths,
[16:51]  and all her abilities
[16:52]  only they are now in tune with His desires
[16:52]  this is being Bold
[16:52]  that is also exciting
[16:52] * Sennot grins
[16:52] * R-Flagg repeats
[16:52] * ArccAngel shrugs
[16:52]  her will, her strength and her ability is now in tune with His desires
[16:52]  perhaps
[16:53]  that is Bold
[16:53]  and all of this leads to the one simple bit of training I wanted to give the girls
[16:53] * Messick listens
[16:53]  "Never apologize, never explain, simply do"
[16:53]  ok..............all of this is fine.........but arnt we as female slaves of Gor supposed to submit to all men of Gor? all of this talk is directed to Master/slave settings
[16:53]  I like a woman who is utterly comeptent and self assured and in control of her life, except in my bed
[16:54] * R-Flagg nods to ArccAngel
[16:54]  give me a free woman!
[16:54]  couldnt it be in bed too
[16:54] * R-Flagg smiles
[16:54] * R-Flagg has no interest in FW
[16:54]  too much hassle
[16:54]  true me`chelle
[16:54]  but to me`chelle's point
[16:54]  Master rather have a FW in bed than a kajira
[16:55]  "a girl cannot serve two Masters"
[16:55]  lol what's the diff if he's all man
[16:55]  it is impossible, me`chelle
[16:55] * ArccAngel chuckles
[16:55] <{ariella}DG> that is true Master R-Flagg 
[16:55]  in being submissive to all Men,
[16:55]  in r/l yes Master
[16:55]  you *submit* to none
[16:55]  I would only want a woman that very very few could ever hope to have
[16:56]  ultimately, you must make a choice,
[16:56] <`Mecurio> what does mechelle regard as a Man of Gor?
[16:56]  and until that time, yes, some of this will not aply
[16:56]  but not in the books of Gor, so whos rules are we to go by, whos standards should a girl strive to meet? 
[16:56] <`Mecurio> a man who enters a gor channel?
[16:57]  even in the books, me`chelle, no girl was expected to follow the commands of another Man when her Master had told her what to do
[16:57]  the problem online is,
[16:57] * kishy listens
[16:57]  yes Master R-Flagg, this girl is speaking for unowned slaves 
[16:57]  that in the books there were no such thing as an unowned slave ... like you and kishy
[16:58]  kishy is unowned?
[16:58]  an unowned slave would have been a FW
[16:58]  there were wharf urts
[16:58] * ArccAngel eyes her legs..... hmmmmmmmmm
[16:58]  yes, and some other cultural oddities
[16:58]  but the vast majority of women fell into two categories
[16:58]  they were pitied to some degree
[16:58]  FW and collared slaves
[16:59]  IRC has created the unusual situation where girls are unowned and still slaves
[16:59]  yes Master...........so its safe to assume that not all rules of Gor can be applied to irc Gor
[16:59]  exactly me`chelle
[16:59]  but me`chelle ...
[16:59] * me`chelle listens
[16:59]  and most men are simply slaves, except the few who can earn ... more.  On IRC all fools are Masters
[16:59]  do you not want to belong to a single Man at some time?
[17:00]  yes Master
[17:00]  then the comments still apply to you
[17:00]  only in some future scenario
[17:00]  My time is up
[17:01]  I will repeat three points:
[17:01] * dina{STI} frowns
[17:01]  "Bold submission",
[17:01]  "No slave can serve two Masters"
[17:01]  can we try Master
[17:01]  just teasing
[17:01]  "Never apologize, never explain, just do"
[17:01] <{ariella}DG> smiles at bold dina 
[17:02]  well dina
[17:02]  and for bonus points
[17:02]  "It is not good to be commanded in all things"
[17:02] * R-Flagg smiles
[17:02]  prepare to be badly folded spindled and mutilated
[17:02] * dina{STI} very bold behind the computer
[17:02] * R-Flagg returns to His place and sits

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