on a general basis, men are a bunch of loud, noisy, stupid, ignorant jerks whose basic goal in life is to get drunk, get laid, get married, have kids, cheat on their wife, then go fishing and die. in no particular order, of course. there are a few exceptions, like "real" men. these are the kinds of guys who like to hold the door open for girls, and read poetry. you know, the losers who have the same goals as above, only have a different approach to them. all men are insensitive, horny, stupid, and obnoxious, except the "real" men who are sensitive, horny, stupid and obnoxious. which one wins the race? you choose for yourselves girls. they're all the same in one way or another. i know i'll get a lot of crap for this, but it's the damn truth. i challenge anyone to disprove this truthfully. no man can safely say that they don't have the urge to be loud, be stupid, and get laid. and that's the damn truth. now i can understand about the drinking not being a general goal, due to moral restrictions, and guys will tell you they aren't giant balls of testosterone (no pun intended, a bad one at that), but if they do, they're lying. and do you know why they're lying? to get you in bed, of course. that's it, men suck.