SSML-107, 13 December 1999


Hi all,

 Welcome to another issue of the SS mailing list.  Not much for me to say this time, so
 on with your letters.

 Cheers,
   Mike.

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From: AmeliaPeel@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:36:15 EST
Subject: [siobhan] Sacred Heart videos

Hello there.. Im looking for anyone that might be able to help  locate a copy 
of the Sacred Heart videos.. I am not sure if it was released like the HY 
video comp.. and really  I'd really be happy with a good dubbing of it..or 
atleast until i could find the real thing... so any help would be 
appreciated!!

amelia

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From: AmeliaPeel@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:47:38 EST
Subject: [siobhan] annie and siobhan

i have no idea, but do these two get a long. or dislike each other or what.. 
i have no idea

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:02:24 -0500
From: "Paul G. Chrustowski" 
Subject: [marcella] Update on Closer video

I received an e-mail response from Marcy the other day.  Any of us
who thought the Closer video for the AIDS day event meant she was "closer"
to officially releasing something are sure to be disappointed.  Marcy
said that the video was shot specifically  for the AIDS Day event
and is not a music video for promotion of a single.  In fact, she
still has not signed a proper record deal, although she did mention another
publishing deal which I'm sure she'll mention in an upcoming website update. 
I think Marcy is a great songwriter, and I'm glad she's doing all this
publishing, but I hope its not at the expense of her own performing and
recording.  She did sound hopeful that a record deal may be on the
horizon, but maybe that's just my hopeful interpretation.

Believe!

Paul

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From: CCM5217@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:52:56 EST
Subject: [siobhan] Songwriting credits

Hi there, I recently bought a book from amazon.co.uk titled "Hormonally Yours"
 about Shakespears Sister.  I originally thought it was going to be a
 biography of sorts, but its actually a songbook.  Anyways, there's
 credits to all the songwriters for each individual song, and I found
 something interesting.  I had already heard that Dave Stewart had worked
 on several of Shakespears Sister's songs, and it is noted in the credits,
 however what I found odd was that his place is inserted everywhere that Manu
 Guiot's name should be.  In the CD booklet for "Hormonally Yours", Guiot is
 credited for co-writing "Goodbye Cruel World", "Stay", "Black Sky", and
 "Hello (Turn Your Radio On)".  In the songbook I have, Dave Stewart is
 credited in his place for these songs. Do you think its possible that to
 appear not to be involved Dave Stewart (or Siobhan, or the record company
 or someone) had Guiot's name put in his place?
Another interesting thing I found is that all the songwriters were credited
 with "words and music" except for "Stay" which credited Siobhan and Dave
 with lyrics and music, with Marcy only being credited for co-writing music.
Any thoughts on this?

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From: Scotcalhoun@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:24:28 EST
Subject: Re: [siobhan] annie and siobhan

<< i have no idea, but do these two get a long. or dislike each other or 
what.. i have no idea >>

Isn't this an absolute moot point?

But, I think Siobhan was the beginning of the domino effect that made 
Eurythmics stop working together in 1989. There were many factors, but this 
was one of them. IMHO.

L

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 13:52:24 +0000
From: dave 
Subject: Re: [siobhan] annie and siobhan


> Isn't this an absolute moot point?
> But, I think Siobhan was the beginning of the domino effect that made
> Eurythmics stop working together in 1989. There were many factors, but this
> was one of them. IMHO.


I don't believe that's true. Annie did appear in the video for "You're History" in
 1990, and Siobhan, if i'm not mistaken, appeared in Annie's video for
 "Little Bird", dressed up as Annie in the Savage-era blonde wig and evening
 dress. Eurythmics split in 1990 was Dave and Annie's doing. I doubt Siobhan
 played any role in that. They were just tired of each other at that point.

Dave

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From: Scotcalhoun@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:35:50 EST
Subject: Re: [siobhan] annie and siobhan

Hey, Dave,

What did Annie do in "You're History"?   That one is news to me.  I think I 
will challenge you on that one.  I am perfectly happy to admit I am wrong, 
but I just would like to know.  Annie "retired early that year" and gave 
birth to her first daughter that December. I also am on the Eurythmics 
onelist and have never heard it mentioned.  That doesn't mean a great deal 
though.  Siobhan is rarely mentioned there. 

Siobhan, however, was NOT in "Little Bird" Annie and Dave were barely 
speaking then.  Whom did you think she was in the video.  Except for one, all 
the "characters" in "Little Bird" were men. Including the you have made 
reference.

Why is Annie being mentioned here?  Doesn't she have her own list with Dave?  
This is Siobhan list!

And still a moot point as one is still history and one isn't.....


L :-)

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From: Scotcalhoun@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:51:53 EST
Subject: [siobhan] That article about Siobhan

Like someone had said, the mention of Siobhan in the second article called 
"Who's That Boy?  in Express was very small and minor and mostly directly 
towards Dave.  

The text that mentions Shuv is as follows:

"...I ask him about his separation from wife Siobhan Fahey, formerly of the 
Eighties girls groups Bananarama and remind him that in the past he said as a 
teenager, he was deeply affected by his parents' separation. How does he 
reconcile that with the effect the breakup of his own marriage might have had 
on his sons Sam, 12 and Django, nine?  "They're bound to be affected but I 
don't think that badly," he says.  They've turned out remarkable well because 
we've talked about it a lot.  My parents were of the generation where you 
didn't talk about what was going on.  What thing that affected was that one 
explained it."

The major balance of the article is about his projects, the Peace album and 
tour and essentailly about his present relationship with Annie.

Enough about Annie.  Any Siobhan news?

L :-)

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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:35:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Patrik Eriksson 
Subject: [siobhan] Third album web site

Hi everyone!

I just read Siobhans letter in the SS-list archives
and
I totally agree with everyone about London Records
attitude regarding her age and children. I could not
think of anything more insulting in a situation like
this. 

I wonder what she is thinking about us fans, now
spreading her words by doing something that's
technically illegal. Is she upset about the copying
or happy that the message is spread?

If Siobhan wouldn't mind, do you think it would be a
good idea to post the album in mp3's on the
Internet? This could make LR even more aggressive and 
1. Make them publish the album (most unlikely)
2. Make the relationship between LR and Siobhan even
worse, even if it wasn't Siobhan that posted the
material. (very likely)

However, showing that the material is still going
strong (= large number of downloads) could give a lot
of positive publicity and perhaps make another label
interested.

Finally, there is an important argument against this
sort of action. Siobhan is (although some people think
different) a normal human being like the rest of us
and might not like the idea of some internet nerds
pissing of the "owners" of her material and making a
big show out of it.

What do you think?

-Patrik

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From: "Bruin, D.M.L.A. de (CDIV)" 
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:53:55 +0100 
Subject: [siobhan/marcella] MP3-files

Hi all,

I'm planning to make a CD with all the Shakespear's Sister tracks that
aren't available on CD yet.
I was wondering if any of you have any MP3-files they're willing to share
with me, so I don't have to sample all the recordings myself.
I'm especially looking for the Black sky - dub extravaganza part 1 - since I
don't own the promo that has this track on it....

Please contact me at mailto:ddbruin@lumc.nl if you have info.

Diana

PS: this is a long time project, so don't expect me to have the CD ready any
time soon.

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From: "eva sommaruga" 
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:12:42 -0300
Subject: RE: [siobhan] annie and siobhan

 As for all this buzz on whether Shuv and Annie got on well or not ... Has
anyone got the facts? One for certain is Bananarama's cameo in the video for
'Who's that girl?'(Eurythmics's not Maddona's, needless to say) in the early
eighties along with a handful of pop celebrities like
Marilyn, etc. I've no idea who directed that and I presume by the time it
was shot Dave and Shuv were probably well acquainted since D & A's
relationship had already been on the rocks for a while.
I had also spotted Shuv's lookalike in 'Little Bird' and the model does look
like her but I daresay it's a mere coincidence. Having said that , the whole
thing may make sense for both Shuv and Annie have always been Sophie's
closest friends and it was her who directed 'Little Bird' as well as 'You're
History' (where's Annie, by the way).
    Well, can somebody clear it up, please?
                                         Kisses

 Eva xxxxxxx

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From: Scotcalhoun@aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:15:23 EST
Subject: Re: RE: [siobhan] annie and siobhan

I can clear up a few points.   

1.)  Unless there has been a recent change in the past few years, Sophie 
Müller is one of the Oil Factory's most revered directors in their pool of 
directors. (That is the video company that Dave and Annie financed in the 
80's .) That company is run by Dave's older brother, John Stewart  So, since 
the divorcee--who knows if Sophie and Siobhan are such "best chums. " I do 
have it on good authority, however, that Annie has had a falling out with 
Sophie after the Diva days.  There are "very good" show business freinds and 
"very good" personal friends.  Very often they are not the same.

2.) That DEFINITELY wasn't Siobhan in "Little Bird."   

3.) Duncan Gibbons directed the "Who's That Girl?" video done long before 
Dave and Siobhan began seeing one another.

No one answered---where was Annie is "You're History . It is a video I don't 
remember all that well.  I will have to post this query on the Eurythmics 
list as everything Annie has ever done is known on that.

Also why is there that much interest if Annie and Siobhan got along?   Idle 
interest,  I guess. Which is fine. I guess it is because Dave is getting 
along so great with Annie now?  But, isn't this Siobhan list?  (I'm asking 
that one again)

Of course  most likely Annie and Siobhan have very little contact with one 
another now except that Annie sees Sam and Django so much since they had 
playdates her daughters for 3 years now and they were often along on the tour 
that just ended.  Django was at everyone, I believe.  I haven't heard of one 
concert that he wasn't spotted behind the speaker on stage left.  On the DnA  
list I believe there was a least one member at all the concerts played.  So, w
e always have heard back about that sweetie. :-)

Aside from the actual facts in this post, the rest are , of course, IMHO

L

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Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 06:21:14 -0600
From: "Jeffreak" 
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Digest Number 144

Here's what I know. Dave and Annie Had LONG since split up as a "Romantic"
couple before Siobhan and Bananas did the "Who's that girl?" video.
I have Never seen Annie Lennox in "You're History". Siobhan does Not appear
in the "Little Bird" video - ALL of the other characters in this video
besides La Lennox herself are DRAG QUEENS!

That's what I know,
-Jeffreak

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From: Scotcalhoun@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:39:10 EST
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Digest Number 144

Thanks, Jeffreak.  That is what I thought too....

Lynne :-)

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From: AmeliaPeel@aol.com
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:19:06 EST
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Digest Number 144

<< One for certain is Bananarama's cameo in the video for
 'Who's that girl?'(Eurythmics's not Maddona's, needless to say) in the early
 eighties along with a handful of pop celebrities like
 Marilyn, etc. I've no idea who directed that and I presume by the time it
 was shot Dave and Shuv were probably well acquainted since D & A's
 relationship had already been on the rocks for a while. >>

i think its funny only to wonder what sioban and dave must have been thinking 
during that video..(who's that girl)  i wonder if they imagined back then 
that they would be having babies and getting married.. cause they are kinda 
young....  i love that song too..

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:16:16 +1100
From: Mike Devery 
Subject: [siobhan] Billy MacKenzie's "duet" with Siobhan

Hi all,

 According to a Billy MacKenzie fansite (he was the lead singer of the
Associates), it was Billy who provides the male vocals on the re-recorded
version of "Do I Scare You".

 The site is at:

http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/associates.html

 Details on the "Billy MacKenzie discography" page.

  Mike.

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From: "Chris Wilson" 
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:05:07 EST
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Digest Number 144

Hi Everyone,
MTV recently published their list of the "100 Greatest Videos of All Time."  
All week long they ran the videos.  Anyway, of course it would be too much 
to ask to expect our girl's videos to be recognized here, but I was happily 
surprised to see Band Aid's "Do They Know It's Christmas?" featuring 
Bananarama in the group's footage.  The video placed at #73.
I had nearly forgotten how appealing the 1984 era Banana girls were!
Chris

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From: Scotcalhoun@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:42:16 EST
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Another label?

Siobhan was released from her record company a number of years ago. I don't 
believe she is currently on her musical career She is taking classes at a 
college in London in lit and the like.

L

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 Finally for this, here is some excerpts from the other recent Dave Stewart interview
 that mentions Siobhan.  This first appeared on the Eurythmics mailing list
 (eurythmics@onelist.com), but I lost the details of the person who submitted. Apologies
 to them if they're reading this!


Evening Standard article

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/generic/bottom_review.html?in_review_id=229832&in_review_text_id=178630

    A new peace of the Eurythmics

    by Alix Sharkey

    He doesn't behave much like a multi-millionaire. He
    doesn't really look like one either, this short, slightly
    gnomic man with tinted glasses and scruffy goatee. He
    stands in the canteen queue with the rest of the crew, who
    ignore him. When we sit, there are no preliminaries, none
    of the agenda-setting that usually precedes this kind of
    interview. Sensing my concern about the clattering plates,
    he picks up the tape recorder and holds it to his mouth,
    the better to pick up his soft Sunderland brogue between
    mouthfuls of nut roast. His girlfriend, American
    photographer Anoushka Fisz, smiles patiently. She is five
    months pregnant with their child. If it's a boy, she tells me
    later, they think they'll call him Dizzy Lou.

    The split [with Annie]? They were 'simply sick of each other' after a
    decade on the road. 'Imagine you're in a relationship with
    somebody, you break up, and then for the next ten years
    you're never out of each other's sight. It was just too
    claustrophobic.' Even holidays were spent together. It was
    like being joined at the hip, he says, and it took its toll. 'In
    the end, if one of us walked into the room, the other one
    walked out. It was a mutual decision to get some space
    from each other. The first nine years were so intense, we
    needed another nine apart just to balance it out.

    ....As he climbs into his stage outfit - camouflage combat
    pants and a silver anorak - and I start edging out of the
    door, he's still talking about 'the kids', how they love
    playing with his camcorder, how he took them to St
    James's Park and told them to hide in the bushes and film
    tourists surreptitiously. 'Oh, they loved that. Kept them
    happy for hours.' The 'kids' are Django, eight, and Sam,
    11, Stewart's two sons by ex-Shakespears Sister
    chanteuse Siobhan Fahey, to whom he was married for
    over ten years, until they separated in 1997. The boys live
    with her in Swiss Cottage, but visit their father regularly.

    ...So doesn't it get a bit confusing, all this jumping around
    between different media, directing films and pop videos,
    producing other people's albums, making music with
    Sinead O'Connor and Brian Eno, writing soundtracks for
    Robert Altman, plus the new musical he's been working on
    recently? Doesn't it ever get a bit much?

    He shakes his head, and gives me a glassy-eyed smile. 'I
    get really into the creative process, but I'm not really
    interested in the end of it. I just love the journey. You
    wouldn't believe the number of projects I'm involved in
    that seem disconnected, but to me are totally connected. If
    there was a book about how I feel,' he says, 'it would be
    called Mad Now Disease.' 

    The Eurythmics play Wembley Arena on 3 and 4
    December and London Arena on 6 December. 

    © Associated Newspapers Ltd., 19 November 1999

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