SSML-116, 30 May 2000

Subject: Issue 116 of the Shakespears Sister mailing list
Date: 30th May, 2000 AD
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From: "rhonda" 
Subject: Shuv's Third Album
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:30:03 -0700

Hi all,

Wondering if anyone might be able to burn me a copy of the third album.  I
would make it up to you of course...Email me and maybe we can work out some
sort of trade.  I have over a hundred Bananarama / SS items that I'd be
willing to sacrifice.

Thanks
Rhonda

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From: "Dean Lucas" 
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:26:33 -0000
Subject: [siobhan] Hormonally Yours Re-issue

Hi everyone,

I've just bought the new Warner issue of Hormonally Yours. The sleeve 
etc are exactly the same as previous issues and the only slight 
difference is the addition of a circular sticker on the 
front 'includes the UK no. 1 'STAY''.

The new catalogue number is: 3984-28239-2. On the back inlay sleeve 
it mentions that it was previously available as 828-375-2.

I've also bought a Bananarama's 'A bunch of Hits' - great picture 
sleeve!

Cheers,
Dean.

[Thanks for that Dean.   The day after your message, I noticed the album has been re-released by
 Warners here in Australia as well. It has the same circular sticker.  Groan, I guess this means I have to
 buy yet another copy of HY :-)  Mike]

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From: gregory.cheverall@db.com
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:28:05 +0000
Subject: [siobhan] Siobhan news

interview with Annie in last weeks OK I think - maybe Hello

she says she could never have got thru the miscarriage of her child without siobhans help......

i always knew s was an angel...........

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From: Liam McLaughlin 
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:56:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [siobhan] Shocking E-Bay News!!!

I was just on e-bay and was disgusted to see that some
people are selling copies of the Third album,
presumable for their own profit. 

The Two people concerned are using the I.D's of
"Djgrrll" (who is also selling two other b-side CDR's
and selling the album for $30!) and someone calling
themsleves "Johndl4".  I KNOW people want the Album
desperately BUT this is not the way it should be
done...It is not fair on the person who forks out $30
dollars for an album that would never have cost that
much.  WHO do these people think they are? Selling
something that is not theirs to sell?

Does anyone have any thought on this behaiviour, or
would those responsible like to anwser to why such
steep prices on a very public market?

Liam

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From: John Jennings 
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:43:48 +0100
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Shocking E-Bay News!!!

AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!
I can't believe there are still people out there trying to do this... I know
who the sellers are and I'll be keeping a close eye on them... As long as
the final bid doesn't massively exeed the costs to copy the cd I suppose
there isn't really a problem, besides its out of our hands - but I feel
sorry for the desperate person who is paying $30 (about £20.17 according to
ebay uk).
Oh, and hi everyone, sorry i haven't been posting for a little while, I've
been veeery busy recently. For those of you who haven't seen it... I have
updated my SS pages yet again - www.ilonline.co.uk/artists/siobhan.
Also, for whoever was asking about it... you still can send handwritten
letters to Shuv through me if you really want to - although they may take a
little while to get to her - i'm horribly slow! You can of course still use
the form from my website for slightly quicker contact!
I hope you are all well,
Regards
John.

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From: "peacock skirt" 
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:17:32 -0300
Subject: RE: [siobhan] Shocking E-Bay News!!!

And it's not fair on poor Shuv-sorry Greg- who won't get a single penny out of it either...

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From: "Melanie Alford" 
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:47:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Shocking E-Bay News!!!

Hi guys;
I hesitate to post this... I personally spaz out when I hear about Ebay items on a newsgroup because that's automatically more bidders to bid against (LOL) but it's so striking I had to share it.  Does anyone else know of a song called Damien Save Me, that Shuv (I like that name!! It's cute) did with Dave Stewart?  There's a copy of the third album that has it on the end as a bonus track on Ebay.  http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=333498046 also by the aforementioned djgrrrl or whoever she is.  
While I love Ebay for having singles and stuff, I don't think they should be selling the third album for anything over the ordinary price, that's just wrong.  I hesitate to say that to in light of the crap Metallica is pulling on it's fans....but Shuv does kinda need the money more. :)
Also, this is my new address, if anyone was curious. Hope that unsubscribe worked! :)
Love, 
M 

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From: "christopher  gietl" 
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 04:25:21 -0000
Subject: [siobhan] shuv on damien save me

greetings all!
in response to your question melanie, damien save me is on dave 
stewarts album "greetings from the gutter", i had no idea she did 
vocals on it, anybody heard it?
also i have a copy of the passion magazine (jagged and beautiful)
with 
the cd featuring "was it something..." and love the great pic of shuv 
in it. was she in the first issue (i believe there were only 2)? i 
know she read a poem on one of the mag's cds and i am wondering if 
there were any pics in there of her. i want to buy back issue(s) that 
feature siobhan but i have had no response from the passion magazine. 
can anyone give me details of siobhan and the passion magazine and
who 
to contact about back issues? i know passion plans on releasing cds 
and selling over the internet, anybody know if there will be more MGA 
stuff? is there anymore MGA recordings? thanks all
p.s HAS ANYONE HAD A REPLY FROM SIOBHAN?

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From: Scotcalhoun@AOL.com
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:40:56 EDT
Subject: Re: [siobhan] shuv on damien save me

<< Does anyone else know of a song called Damien Save Me, that Shuv (I like 
that name!! It's cute) did with Dave Stewart? >>

This song (actually lyrics) are actually from Dave Stewart's first solo 
album, the great "Greetings From the Gutter."  Siobhan did a fair amount of 
background work on it although the best duet is Dave with Laurie Anderson.

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From: "Dean Lucas" 
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:33:23 -0000
Subject: [siobhan] Re: Damien Save Me

I've heard this track and it does possibly sound like Siobhan's voice 
in the chorus (though it has that sound of several voices together). 
Dave sings a line "Damien Save Me" and this is followed by the 
backing singers repeating the line. Compared to all the other tracks 
on the album it does sound like more Siobhan than any others. However 
it's not as obvious as say 'Walk Into The Wind'. 

Hope this makes sense,
Dean.

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From: gregory.cheverall@db.com
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:21:16 +0000
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Shocking E-Bay News!!!

well i agree with u in principal but thats the way it goes - supply and demand -
at keast it shows there is a mkt out there for her work

what happened to the plans to release it independently anyway?

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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:33:31 -0500 
From: Ronald Plough 
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Shocking E-Bay News!!! 

Hey Liam, 
    I don't find it too wicked that those ebay users are offering the 
bootleg cd' for sale.  It's the bidder's choice if they want to pay that 
much.  They sure can't buy it in a store anywhere, and what if they don't 
know about the list here?  Though I feel sorry for them when they finally 
hear it and find out it's crap.  I hope she doesn't write anymore music.  In 
fact, i would like to figure out how i can unsubscribe from this list. 

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From: "peacock skirt" 
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 00:17:29 -0300
Subject: RE: [siobhan] Shocking E-Bay News!!!

Hey! No need to be offensive...(what they heck have you been doing round here all this time anyway  I wonder ?)

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:09:09 +1000 (EST) 
From: Mike Devery 
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Shocking E-Bay News!!! 

> fact, i would like to figure out how i can unsubscribe from this list. 
 
  "Go! Go if you want, it's ok, I don't care anyway..."  
 
 (this person has now been unsubscribed). 
 
  Mike. 

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From: "Melanie Alford" 
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:36:06 -0700
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Shocking E-Bay News!!!

OK.....that's weird. :)  Um, it's called the unsubscribe letter, dude.
Learn to write one.

OTOH, regarding Metallica and Napster, there's a very easy way to keep
people from infringing on your "art", it's called don't make any.   You
can't put something out there in the world where people are going to be
affected by it and then freak out because they do.  If my taping your song
off the radio because I can't afford 20 flippin' bucks for a CD every week
offends you, maybe you're too geeky to be making rock n' roll anyway. :)

Sorry....I'm still reeling from the whole WB-Buffy website thing...

(Removing the tongue from my cheek)
Love,
M

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From: Liam McLaughlin 
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Shocking E-Bay News!!!

Ronald, 

Do you think anyone cares to hear your opinion?  Until
you do something of worth, please keep your opinions
to yourself.  You are hardly the voice of authority,
are you? Who are you to say someone should not make
anymore music?

Yours

Liam.

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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:01:28 -0400 
From: Paul G. Chrustowski 
Subject: [marcella] site update 

Marcy's site is undergoing a major update. So far there's a new picture
of Marcy on the home page, a fresh news update, a new FAQs section under
construction, a new lyrics section, a new fan club competition, and a
promise of even more songs and CDs. Check it out.

Paul

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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:49:52 EDT 
From: CCM5217@aol.com
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Digest Number 226 

Hi all, I saw some recent posts on people selling the 3rd album on eBay, does  
anyone know if these are the actual 3rd album or are they bootleg copies of  
the 3rd album?  If they are bootleg copies then the sellers are guilty of  
illegal copyright infringement and eBay has very strict rules about that now.  
 If anyone is really upset by this and is a member of eBay they should report  
the sellers to "Safe Harbor" and have eBay check them out.  What these people  
are doing is piracy and it is wrong.  And by the way, for the person who  
earlier said that Metallica was pulling something on its fans by suing  
Napster, what Napster is doing is piracy as well.  Metallica and the other  
artists receive no royalties for the music that is being uploaded or  
downloaded and if people can get their music for free then they are most  
likely not going to buy the artist's albums and the artist loses money.  Just  
because Metallica have had more success than our dear Shuv does not mean they  
should be allowed to be screwed. 

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From: MarcyFans@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:22:50 EDT
Subject: thanx marcyfans

thanx for being there...glad you like the new look site...have changed it a 
little more today so maybe you'd like to check it out again...
http://www.marcelladetroit.com
I'm creating a mailing list and of course if you want off let me know...
competition entrants need to be more specific...????
later
Lance

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From: John Jennings 
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:23:13 +0100
Subject: [siobhan] Ebay Problems (ug not this again)

Hi,
This email is to the person who emailed me about the auction (you know
who you are!) and everyone else interested in the recent Ebay/Third
Album thing.
I totally disagree with everyone who think the sale of the bootleg album
is ok, because it isn't. Heres the officially unofficial reason why...
Normally the sale of CDs via ebay is fine by me, and most people,
including Siobhan.
At the moment though, a friend of mine is trying to convince Warner Bros
to sell the rights to the album to us, so the general release of the
album can go ahead - as we all want it to. We want to stay on the best
side of Warner so as to do this, and if they discover that unofficial
and illegal copies have been circulating, they will probably be a lot
less likely to 'give in'. My friend is putting a lot of work in, and i
don't want to see all that work (and money!) wasted.
One persons argument was that it was the bidders choice how much they
bidded for. This is not true, people seem unaware that fans are
desperate to hear music by Siobhan. If the fans are unaware that the
album will soon be released, they think this is the only way they will
be able to get their hands on a copy. For this reason the bids were
reaching a phenomenally large amount, making some people very rich,
which made the true fans of shuv angry because none of this money is
going to Siobhan - who rightfully the album belongs to.
Whilst I have nothing against officially released cds being resold on
Ebay, as these were once paid for in a normal record shop, (i.e. money
to siobhan!) people, including myself, do tend to be against the sale of
the third album as Shuv has not received one penny for it so far. This
is why i feel that cds being sold for a price that only covers the cost
is ok because the seller is getting no more money than Siobhan is, but
fans get to hear the music they want to.
As soon as the album has been released, i am sure many copies will
appear on ebay, but as long as shuv receives what is due to her, I am
happy!
Hope thats cleared everything up...
Warm Regards,
John.

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From: DEBRUYN John 
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:49:22 +1000
Subject: [siobhan] "Shocking" Ebay News

With all the commotion about the selling of the Missing album on EBAY I felt
as the seller I should make a few comments:

1) I only auctioned 1 copy of the cd and the starting price was
significantly lower than the end auction price. To be honest my motives were
partly financial, but if I was the Siobhan parasite that you make me out to
be, I could've been selling heaps of copies of this item before now.

2) The EBAY bidders set the final price. If someone was willing to pay that
much for the item, that is their choice.

3) I was unaware of EBAY's policy on Bootlegs. Once I saw how high the price
had got, I ended the auction early, and I actually negotiated a lower price
with the winner.

4)  Its very easy to take the high moral ground when you obviously already
have a copy of this album. Strictly speaking, its not released so nobody
should have a copy. But I BET all the people who complained have a polished
copy of this cd and the live bootleg in their collections. If I was
auctioning say a rare unreleased remix of "Do I scare You" the very people
who complained would probably be falling all over themselves to put in a
bid.

5) This mailing list regularly contains emails from people wishing to obtain
or copy rare SS stuff for other people. LIAM included. Is anyone complaining
about that?? 

6) Who are you people anyway? Siobhans gobal sniffers locating things going
on in the world that Siobhan wouldnt like? Why don't you target London
Records if you want really whine about someone ripping off Shuv. Mind your
own business you bunch of tossers

John14!

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From: John Jennings 
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:52:38 +0100
Subject: Re: [siobhan] "Shocking" Ebay News

John,
As far as I'm concerned this topic is over and sorted.
No-ones trying to 'get at' or fall out with anyone over one copy of one cd. I
posted my last letter just to put anyone off who was planning on trying to sell
the album and explain why I feel it is wrong, not to get at you. No-one is
making you out as a Siobhan parasite and I'm sure we'll all very sorry if me or
anyone else on the group made you feel like that...
God, this place is like a flipping soap opera sometime - Sunset Beach the return
- Siobhan Fahey Mailing List - UG!
Please can everyone calm down and get back to the nice, country cottage
atmosphere we've all enjoyed for the past years.
Hurrah!
John
;)

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From: gregory.cheverall@db.com
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:27:56 +0000
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Ebay Problems (ug not this again)

i think everyone will agree this is a very good reason not to hawk bootlegs.

is this release yr friend is planning/negotiating US only?

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From: "Andrei Yu. Kamov" 
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:56:16 +0400
Subject: [marcella] STUFFISBACK

STUFF IS BACK!!!

[Yes, Marcy's site update has announced that 'stuff' is for sale again (Marcella LPs from 1982/Demoz/AbFab Songs etc), and they're hoping to have credit card facilities available soon. Mike.]

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From: John Jennings 
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:56:20 +0100
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Ebay Problems (ug not this again)

> i think everyone will agree this is a very good reason not to hawk bootlegs.
> is this release yr friend is planning/negotiating US only?

No, were hoping on distribution to certain areas of Europe I think/hope. Maybe only UK to begin with
though...

John.

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From: gregory.cheverall@db.com
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:11:05 +0000
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Ebay Problems (ug not this again)

i didnt know warner owned london records

good luck!

does siobhan know about this?

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From: John Jennings 
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:28:58 +0100
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Ebay Problems (ug not this again)

> i didnt know warner owned london records

This was quite a recent thing and is why the hormonally yours album was recently re-released with a new
(warner) catalogue number in the UK and US (maybe elsewhere? i don't know)

> good luck!
> does siobhan know about this?

Yep, Shuv is being involved in the whole thing... (or, she will be when we finally get the rights, that
is). She knows that this is happening though...

John

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From: DreamDunes@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:03:45 EDT
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Digest Number 228

<<    From: DEBRUYN John 
 Subject: "Shocking" Ebay News >>

++Never mind Ebay.com.. is there a rule that only people by the name of 
'John' can be sub'd to this list?  :)

All the best,
Jon (another one) 

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From: DreamDunes@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:08:28 EDT
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Digest Number 228

Hiya,

2 mails from me on the same day?.. can't be true?!

John;
<< God, this place is like a flipping soap opera sometime - Sunset Beach the 
return ++OMG!, the 2 women who have the most iinfluence on my life.. Siobhan 
Fahey and Sunny B's 'Smurf' ;)

Don't worry if you have no idea whatsover what I'm talking about... you'd 
have to be a die-hard Sunset Beacher to understand ;)

Have a nice evening,
Jon :)
www.vanessadorman.cutecity.com

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From: moorejs 
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:03:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Digest Number 228

If People didn't make an illegal bootlegged copy of the CD none of us would
have one! I do hope the release of the album does see the light of day but
in the meantime these copies are all we've got! I'm very grateful to the
person who sold me my copy! I hope everyone who wants one can get their
hands on a copy! It's terrific! John, Has Siobhan discuseed cover art with
you?

Love n' Kisses,
Jeffreak

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From: gregory.cheverall@db.com
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:09:04 +0000
Subject: Re: [siobhan] Ebay Problems (ug not this again)

how exciting
whats the name of the new label? wanna hear my demo ?

we'll make sure the egroup gang are invited to the launch party!

we mean it

pete tong is such a loser

i cant believe he said who would buy music from a 37 yr old mother of two

has he heard of Madonna was 40 when she relased ray of light.............. on WARNER records - how much has she made
for them?

G

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From: "peacock skirt" 
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 14:23:42 -0300
Subject: [siobhan] greetings from the gutter

Hey you lot !

I saw Dave's 'Greetings from the Gutter' documentary last night and was rather disappointed not to find any bloody mention of Siobhan / the children in it. In point of fact, the show not only covered his professional life but it rather focused on his private one-it featured interviews with his brother, parents and even his shrink!-as he looked back on his younger years. If I'm not wrong they were still a couple by 1994 and she may still have been at the height of her worldwide popularity just two years after HY had come out. Perhaps some listees may account for her absence-that is whether she was busy touring, recording, etc. or simply decided to stay out.

Having said that, it was fun to spot Kevin Spacey as Isabella Rossellini's husband in the 'Jealousy' video hehe!

Cheerio,

Eva

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From: "Dean Lucas" 
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:03:35 -0000
Subject: [siobhan] Dave Stewart Interview

Hi all,

The Daily Mail in the UK featured an interview with Dave this 
Saturday. The interview includes mention of Siobhan several times; 
about their relationship and break-up. Most interestingly it says 
that she "may return to her musical career". 

With regard to Eva's comments - according to this interview, they 
breifly broke up in around 1993 but then reunited until 1996.

Cheers,
Dean.

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From: Scotcalhoun@AOL.com
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:03:58 EDT
Subject: Re: [siobhan] greetings from the gutter

<< If I'm not wrong they were still a couple by 1994 and she may still have 
been at the height of her worldwide popularity just two years after HY had 
come out.  >>

As I remember they were not a couple until mid to late 1986.  But, it is a 
moot point now.

Please excuse me.  I misread this post.  From what I have heard the marriage 
got rocky about 92 with many on again, off again until the final demise in 96.

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