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<_Tas_> Hey there4 DrillMstr 1:)
 ugh..
_Tas_ = Taekwondo, 9 years
<_Tas_> ugh?
<_Tas_> ant, where are u and what is your style?
 um? what is with the topic??
 bbiab
 i am in pa... northern shaolin kung fu...
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<_Tas_> pa?
<_Tas_> ?
<_Tas_> huh?
 pennsylvania
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<_Tas_> wb gauz
 ISP dumped me
 someone wanna tell me about the topic or not??
<_Tas_> topic needs to be changed....
<_Tas_> 20 mins
<_Tas_> :)
<_Tas_> ant, at 8pm cdt i think
<_Tas_> = 1 pm for me :)
 cdt???
<_Tas_> we are to discuss how to make the channel better, any ideas etc
 ant a meeting in here about the channel and what people think of it or ideas they have
 oh ok:)
<_Tas_> in 20 mins, okay?
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<_Tas_> u figure your own time :)
<_Tas_> lol
_Tas_ has the time as 3 12:40:066,3 Saturday6,3 02/08/97
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 hello
<_Tas_> Hey there4 BAD` 1:)
Kaze sets mode: +o Gauz 
 it helps ME remember when it is  :)
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<_Tas_> :)
 even better
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 Hi guys :)
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<_Tas_> welcome wolf :)
 hi Tas
_Tas_ runs over and hugs Wolfen_
Mascotte is on IRC
 1,8:)
<_Tas_> 4,8:)
_Tas_ runs around the room causing general havoc, pulling hair, poking ribs, teasing, sneezing on, tripping, etc, because Bloodmane said to :)
 1,9:)
 how do you do that?
 so anyhow i was watching ufc for the first time this afternoon, and um... grapplers make for um... strange long sort of boring mtaches...
 matches
<_Tas_> do what?
<_Tas_> colour?
 yeah
<_Tas_> ctrl k, then a number 1-15, then type
<_Tas_> 1one 2two 3three 4four 5five 6six 7seven 8eight 9nine 10ten 11eleven 12twelve 13thirteen 14fourteen 15fifteen
 8:)
<_Tas_> 4like this was ctrl k 4
 hrue
<_Tas_> 10and ten
 i cant get colours
<_Tas_> y not ant?
 1,8:)
 8,8 Wolfen Loves Colour :)!
 3,8 Wolfen Loves Colour :) 1,1!
 8,8 Wolfen Loves Colour :) 1,1!
 0,0 1,1 Wolfen Loves Colour :)!
 i dont know...
 all i see is numbers
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Mascotte bows in
 hooray for mascotte my favorite.
  :)
 3cool!
 hello ant :)
DrillMstr sets mode: +o Mascotte 
 hello hello!!! how goes the win tsun?
 Hi Mascotte
 wot no Blood??
 hmm
 WT's great
 heheheheh cool!
 it's the training before which gets me every time ;)-
 hello wolf
 :)
 great... mas have you learned any forms yet?
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Mascotte: -#martial- 7tH §p|-|ê®é Topic Protection!
<_Tas_> brb (10 mins....)
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 let's see....we did 4 or 5 blocks, front kick, and the wrist lock
 pak, guan, fuk, tan sao
 nice, the one where your thumbs go on the back of the hand???
 bong next time
 not the thumbs, the oputer edge of the palm
 outer, even
 wow, we use the thumbs , maybe it is a different lock.... locks are great
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 what are you talking about?
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 it's one of the self protection bits....where someone grabs you from your wrist
 Hi Martman
 Hi Tim
 sour, wing tchun
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 joint locks..... mascotte you do chin na jointlocking right?? oh ok mascotte i was thinking of another one...
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 do you sort of trap there hand and then with the arm they have a hold of bring the ouside of your hand over there wrist and press sorta down??
 inchworming will get you out of a bearhug reach around grab.
 ant:sounds liek a jujuitsu hold i do
 yup
 you either press down till they release, or hold their arm, and go for jab
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Mascotte sets mode: +v Dragonfst 
 sorry, don't know that
Dragonfst soars into the room and roars a mighty TANSU greeting to all !!!
 Hi Dragonfst
 brb
 hi wolfen
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 hey drill
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 hey mascotte
 :0
 hi Dragon
 :)
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 mascotte i like that one but i am not so good at it...
 and all the rest :)
DrillMstr sets mode: +v WolfenAFK 
 helo dragn, heard you were in a good bit of sparring ;)
DrillMstr sets mode: -v WolfenAFK 
 yep :)
 i should have gone to class tonight.... it was free time and i could have gotten help with my chin na....
 quite intense
 u musta been talkin to blood  :)
 yup, same ol'd ;)
 hehe - what my tansu brother say behind my back ?
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 ant:our chin-na in trouble, sounds personal
 Meetin today, eh?
 heheheh
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 and where is he EVEN !!!!!!!
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<_Tas_> Yo!!4 Taran 1buddy!
Dragonfst roars a mighty TANSU welcome to _Tas_
Dragonfst roars a mighty TANSU welcome to Taran
 Hey Kiwi :)
<_Tas_> dragon!
<_Tas_> long time no see
 yo tas !
 Sabumnim wanted me to pass this along
 [18:18]  please pass on that I was inquiring and I think 
   that this channel is very important and like the way alot of info is 
   passed around,,,and some fun
 oops
 sorry ppl
 yep
ant-egg roars a mighty TANSU welcome to himself:(
 ant:tansudo?
<_Tas_> lol ant
_Tas_ runs over and hugs ant-egg
Dragonfst roars a mighty TANSU welcome to ant-egg
 no.. i just felt left out.
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ant-egg hugs back
 thats the way its done  :)
<_Tas_> there u are blak :)
 HAPPY B'DAY TAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 lol
 u were already here when i got here - ant :)
 happy birfday to you
 so did i miss the meeting Yet??????????
 I'm not catching a lot of htis
 happy birfday to you
 :)
Dragonfst roars a mighty TANSU welcome to BlakEagle
Wofen is now known as Wolfen_
 happy _birf_day dear TAS
 oh how busy for our meeting!
 happy birfday to you :)
ant-egg is now known as brainold
 back again... god it's late
Fizban is now known as _Tas_
 it is ur b/d - tas ?
<_Tas_> :)
<_Tas_> thanks dude :)
doPOmiT is now known as TimOPod
_Tas_ = 24 in 1 hr 5 minutes
 lol
X sets mode: +o TimOPod 
 No one is counting i see
 tee heee hee funny
 hehe - HAPPY BIRTHDAY TAS !!!!!!!!!!!
 4,4 Happy Birthday Tas :)!
 0,4 Happy Birthday Tas :) 1,1!
 4,4 Happy Birthday Tas :) 1,1!
 0,0 1,1 Happy Birthday Tas :)!
<_Tas_> :)
 Must be a Ops for his present guys
 Happy birthday Kiwi :)
_Tas_ hugs Dragonfst
_Tas_ runs over and hugs Wolfen_
 :)
_Tas_ runs around the room, giving everyone a quick hug
Kaze has kicked _Tas_ from #martial (flood)
 who has birth day ops
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<_Tas_> back!
<_Tas_> :)
 its bad to get kicked for hugging - huh ?
<_Tas_> man, that kaze is tough....
<_Tas_> 10 Kiss my Bear 1BUTT10 Kaze 10:P~~~
<_Tas_>         5 ___
<_Tas_>       5 {'  5 `)
<_Tas_>        5 (  5 )
<_Tas_>       5 (/  5 \)
<_Tas_>       5 (__u__)
 Welcome back Kiwi :)
<_Tas_> lol
 Its bad to flood like a f)(#king lamer.
 I like mine better:
 0.5{'0...5`}0..12Kiss my
 0..5(0...5)0.....12bear butt
 Err
 0.5{'0...5`}0..12Kiss my
 0..5(0...5)0.....12bear butt
 0.5(/0...5\)0......12 Kiwi
 0.5(__1u5__)
<_Tas_> o, not the lamer thing again....
 foo king lamer - some kinda chinese dish ?
 taran:naughty naughty
 thought that was a no no
 we had a resturant near her calle dfoo king  resturant
 right is it game on time?
<_Tas_> mart, you = lamer stuff before?
 o boy
_Tas_ has the time as 3 13:05:286,3 Saturday6,3 02/08/97
<_Tas_> we are late :)
<_Tas_> k, discuss
 my clock says the same tas
 where is Bloodmane ?!?!
<_Tas_> 1st idea.... no calling Tas a lamer :)
<_Tas_> motion passed by me
 time for meeting
DrillMstr:  *x* status
<_Tas_> anyone wanna second it?
X: Channel: #martial has 17 users (6 operators)
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X: NoOp: OFF  AlwaysOp:  ON  OpOnly: OFF  StrictOp: OFF  AutoTopic: OFF
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X: Channel has been idle for 239 seconds
 irc offical tile 9:03
 ok
 LMAO!!!!!!!
<_Tas_> anyone?
 econd me and Tas Are now Ops!!!
<_Tas_> taran buddy?
 seconded
 U need good kiwi Oops!!
 err time
 cant rule out any possibilities tas :)
 U need good kiwi Ops!!
<_Tas_> lol blak
 lol
 since we don't have that many. we will stay unmoderated unless we get more ppl here.
 Yep Tas?
<_Tas_> i would be happy with a +
 hallo?
<_Tas_> taran, say u second no calling me a lamer :)
 chill tas - da man is talking :)
 same here!!
 Errr, isn't it 8:00?
BlakEagle Loves a Voice
 mar:not east coast
 No callin Tas a lamer, that's an order
<_Tas_> :)
_Tas_ runs over and hugs Taran
 no callign anyone a name
<_Tas_> lol
 bye!
<_Tas_> bye sour
_Tas_ waves bye-bye
 bye sour
 martial artest should be able to atleast not revert to childish name calling (you lamers)
Taran hugs Tas back, anytime buddy
 ok. is everyone ready?
<_Tas_> lol
 TimOpod: what time is it east coast?
_Tas_ is ready!!!
<_Tas_> :)
DrillMstr:  *x* status
 yep
X: Channel: #martial has 17 users (6 operators)
X: Mode is: +tn 
X: MassDeopPro:   3  NickFloodPro:   5  FloodPro:   7
X: NoOp: OFF  AlwaysOp:  ON  OpOnly: OFF  StrictOp: OFF  AutoTopic: OFF
X: Default language is: english
X: Channel has been idle for 439 seconds
 lol
 9:07
 hmm nice meeting
<_Tas_> lol brain
 if you wanan know time, type /time
<_Tas_> come on ppl.... organize!
<_Tas_> :)
 it'll tell you your local irc time
 course it;s the 24 hour clock
 ok.  please let's get under way
 Drill, may I suggest that you begin your meeting?
 TimOPod: ok how much longer then?
brainold is so hungfry
 wait
 we have had complaints that there is not enough martial arts talk in the channel...
 theres no rush
 it will start when it starts
 no sooner, no later
 i would like to know what you all think as to how we are running the channel
 Tim, let Drill run his meeting.
 taran:sure sure, just trying to be helpful:>
 how can we make it better 
 ?
 Change prioritys
 drill - for the most part i enjoy #martial very much
 its not going to happen.
 drill:i think the problem is, some times the channel has soo ew people in it, thats martial talk isn't really all that fun
 You can't force people to talk about something.
 i think you run the channel fine, but i am not on all that often anymore... i think, that if someone is complaining about there not being enough martial arts talk, all they have to do is mention a topic, or whatever, and everyone is happy to talk about it...
 the only thing i dont like is when someone seriously disrespects others - and i dont mean just jokin around 
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_Tas_ tries not to disrespect, just havin' fun....
 well Dragon that is what the ops are for to deal with that sort of thing
 Dragon, the ops are supposed to try and keep that kind of behavior to a minimum
 yeah sometimes people do act pretty crappy, mostly towards people with styl;es that the other might not think is so good...
 Not true.  There was a time in #Martial when even if there were 5 ppl in channel there was good conversation.  We almost never have fewer than 8
 i could name some names....hehehe:)
 i'm on here basicly al the time
 Taran so your saying MA talk all the time???
 alot of the time hteres only me and 1 or 2 others
 dont get me wrong - i dont want dictatorship  - or even ppl kicked - just some warnings on occasion maybe
 heheh, create a new channel.
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 #nonmartialchat
 :-)
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X sets mode: +o Nimue 
 r
 hi
 hello sis
 meet;s in session
 I'm saying this channel was made for the free exchange of MA information and it has turned into this "MA Social Club"
 i think that if people have topics to talk about in martial arts, they will be talked about, otherwize... if no-one is instigating martial conversations, what do people expect?
 did I miss the meeting?
 why tiger hello.
 I'm saying this channel was more popular and more enjoyable when it had a purpose and a future
 i think the gatheing of martial artest with common inturest is more important then the actualy talk of the arts all the time
_Tas_ cheers for brain
_Tas_ cheers for timO
Nimue is now known as whitiger
 Heya whitiger!!!!!!
 this is (after all irc) you can't force anyone too doo anything, but if handled correctly, you can do some wonderful things
 what is wrong with a ma social club
 hello everyone..........
Gauz walks up to Tim and shakes his hand :)
 Mascotte: your the personnel person, how have the numbers been recently compared to 6 months or a year ago?
_Tas_ likes ma social, and the topic discussions
X changes topic to "Meeting for #martial users : in session"
 That isn't what this channel is founded for, that isn't what this channel is about.  This is #Martial.  This is not #MAsocialclub.  This is the Virtual Dojo.  The respect shown to each other here should be the respect you would show in a Dojo
 we get instruction at our classes - and if someone asks a direct question - it is usually answered -
 if there is not a topic concerning martial arts that put forth for conversation, people arent just gonna sit here and say like: "punch, kick, jointlock", just so they can be talking all martial all the time
 Taran you saying everyone should be forced to talk MA or get out???
 Maybe the problem is that the channel is getting too big and too commercial.
 ppl have increased uite abit
 they find it fun to talk in here, and can talk MA when they feel like
 i dont' think the founding of something should always dictate the future
 uite = quite ?
 how can the channel get too commercial?
 as you all know, i'm not a fan of confusious thought anyway
Gauz shakes Tims hand again :)
 yew - that is true mascotte
 ys
 yes - i mean
 hehe...
 Gauz, I'm saying that if you're here you should be trying to participate in the conversation.  What other reason do you join a chanel but to participate in the conversation?
 First of all, you should get rid of those annoying automated greetings.
 Second you should stop the flooding.
 I think the point of a channel such as this should be pretty clear ... it is a place where people interested in or actively participating in MA , for however long be it 6 months or 16 years can come together and learn from each other
 I mean, who wants to read the same "blah blha blah bows to blah blah blah" as often as anything good.
 It sometimes seems like there are more greets and useless crap than actual conversation.
 it is a unique opportunity, to be able to gain access to such a wide and diverse mixture of MA backgrounds
 you know, the monks in japan have a saying "he stinks of zen", the greek said to much of a god thing is bad
BlakEagle scrolls
 i think these both apply
 right, wolfen, .... also, if you go into a channel, say, um #teenchat, you dont expect them to be talking about being a teen all the time, they are there because they have a common bond...
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 err good thing
 bbl
 taran - when ppl come on they do participate in the convo - and if they have a question not pertaining to the present convo - they ask - 
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 no problem
_Tas_ is now known as Tas
 hi tiger AGAIN~!!!!!
 absolutely the wisdom that is imparted through the learning process of MA is usefull in everyday life
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 Mas: There are alot LESS users here now than a year ago.  A year ago you could come into this channel every night and have 15 ppl talking MA in channel.
 rite - brainold - about the bond - !!!!!!!
Dragonfst roars a mighty TANSU welcome to Mystress
Mystress bows to 3 all 
 Martman: we are not supposed to be using auto greets anymore.  
Mystress has practiced aikijutsu for 2 years, and kenpo for 1 year...beware the bokken!
 MYSTRESS !!!!!
 Hi Mystress
 LONG TIME NO SEEE !
 hey DrAG!!!
Wolfen_ bows to mystress (see I remembered) ;)
 hey wolf!!!
 hello Mystress
 ;)
 does it mater how many people are here, as long as thoese here are enjoying it
 okay...down to business...
 yeah - mart  - whats the diff in an outo greet - and sayin hello ?
 good point tim !
Tas cheers for timO
 Dragonfst: one is highly annoying.
 brb
 to whom - it doesnt bother me !
 please don't greet during the meeting.  i will moderate it if need be
 Dragonfst: thats because YOU are highly annoying:)
 The difference is, now you can come in here anytime and find a few ppl here talking about nothing related to MA
 greet ppl personally, the whole room with an alias
 no big deal
 understood
 Dragonfst roars a mighty TANSU welcome to _Tas_
 lemme put it in terms befitting the channel
 I do feel however that there is alot of "My styles better than your style" biccering goes on and that does get in the way of reasonable conversation
 Dragonfst roars a mighty TANSU welcome to Taran
 I mean, what is that shit?
 the more people the better, the wider "library" of martial arts styles becomes that everyone can access, if some one has a serious question, no one is gonna deny them the answer, or if they have a serious topic, the same applies...
 I call that annoying.
 do you wish d do 100 katas once, or one kata 100 times?
 it is the same as hello !
 wax on, tim
 But yet .... Styles Bickering Does Start Great Convo
 what is the diff. in that and - so and so bows to whomever
 mys:waxin away
 ;)
 which MANY do
 I agree With brain
 not really Black 
 Every night, a year ago, there was good, interesting conversation
 Dragonfst: exactly, both are annoying.
 No, it doesn't matter how many ppl are here as long as they are discussion MA
 i too agree with brain
 taran:things change, thats ho the universe works
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 taran...believe it or not...i was on here when it first got started 2 years ago...with Kyoshi
 Dragonfist: if you want to say high to someone, just say hi, don't make everyone suffer by having to watch your lame greeting.
 it doesnt' mattter if they are talkign amrtrial arts, as long as there is always a williness to disscus the arts
Tas is still pondering the 100 katas bit....
 it was my first time on IRC and #martial was still strugglin for ppl
 lol Tas
 you can't moniter the channel 24/7
 lame - is ur opinion - which u have the rite to - as i do mine
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 Tim is Right U cant
 tim: Kaze can!! ;)
 a dojo is more then a school were one learns fighting, rght?
DrillMstr sets mode: +m 
 ok
 my:kaze isn;t sentient, he no count
 now we have some comments out there
 again ur opinion mart  :)
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DrillMstr sets mode: -v Dragonfst 
 so
 we have several ppl saying ...
 that it  doesn't matter as long as we meet here in the spirit of M
 A
 MA
 ok 
 so how many of you feel it needs to be all MA (other than Taran)?
 oss
DrillMstr sets mode: -m 
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DrillMstr  *Gwydion* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
 sprry taran :)
 sorry even
 i do not 
 nor i
 But can we agree on what the true spirit of MA is?
 that's a toughie mart
 i think it's yes or no now
 Dont Get into that MartMan
 it is different to diff ppl
 and i vote the spirit counts, not the talk
 Martman: i doubt it. everyone has different beliefs of it
 BlakEagle: why not?
 to not disrespect, to openly discuss topics/ideas/questions if they are there....
 IMHO it's knowing that nobody's art is better/worse than anybody else's
 Cause it is a Age Old Debate !!!
 that hasnt Stopped
 not i
 or if you really think so...keep it to yourself!!! ;)
 tim has a good poing
 point
 Mystress: what if you don't believe that though?
 No i dont agree
 then pick a fight via msging
 lol
 LOL
 hang on 
 or calmly support your art in the main channel...whatever
  i wanna join in that fight!!!
 um, lets ge this vote, then move on
 I think Tas has the best option 
 lol
 um
 me?
 so how many of you feel it needs to be all MA (other than Taran)?
 I agree With Tas !!!
 I do
 It should be all MA.
 me?
 :)
 not me!!!
 nor i
 not me
 it's an MA channel, anyway...
 Bottom line: In my opinion we need to go back to our "roots" as it were.  Go back to what made this channel great.  If you want an MA social club, find a new channel.
 isn'
 isn't that good enuff?
Gwydion nods, yep, most ppl don't agree with me on that anymore.
 so this is not #masocial, nor is it#strictlyMAtalkonlynothingelse
 :)
 lol
 happy medium!!!
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DrillMstr  *Pungent* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
Taran pings the channel!
 so Taran, when you go to train, you do not talk to the other students ?
 Gwydion: I agree with you.
 so it is social
 have certain time slots for dead serious MA discussion...other random times for random talk
 If you want to talk non-ma why not take it private?
 you just go in there, only MA is done and talked about and you get out?
 Unless people here don't know how to /msg or /dcc chat
 look how many ppl met here tonight for THIS discussion
 So, drill, when you go to train, do you JUST talk to the other students?
 we all forgetting something here
 I think that this should be a place where ppl can come and ask questions... get oppinions.... talk about the arts... but i dont think it should be strictly MA...   This Use to be a place fun to come too... a place where anyone was welcome... whether they studied or not.... I have NO idea what happend 
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 DrillMstr: do you talk loud enough for everyone in your class to hear when you socialize at your school?
 to not disrespect, to openly discuss topics/ideas/questions if they are there....?
 MA is Part of Everything in Our Lives!!
 amen, whitiger
 no i don't.  i believe there is a time for serious ma talk and a time for friendship
 i think there needs to be shades of grey, not black and white
 DrillMstr: what it comes down to is that people not involved in a social conversation shouldnt' have to put up with listenting to others discuss their sex life:)
 thank you Mystress!!!!
 if someone wants to talk ma now all they have to do is begin the conversation
Mystress has no sex life, so she's excused!!! ;)
 sex has no place in the arts
 and others will follow
 (snicke snicker) 
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DrillMstr  *[magnum}* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
 poor myst :)
 drill:right!
 I mean, most conversations here aren't too enlightening to most people in the way of MA.
 Drill: But how often is the conversation here like it was in the Glory Days of #Martial?
Tas cheers for drill
 Most conversation isn't even relevant to most people on the channel.
X sets mode: +o [magnum} 
 Gwydion: how far back are you thinking?
Mystress was here in the "glory days" of #martial
 gwy:what glory days, wy onyl look to the past
 mmmm, Mikes Hard Lemonade.
 heheh.
 2 years ago...we still had light-hearted talk, too
 Mystress: I was on #kungfu back then:)
 Mystress: efnet #kungfu.
 Yes, but now we are luck to still have MA talk
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 when we have a lot of ppl here that have been here for a long time ma talk will be down because there is only so much of anything that anyone can talk about continuously
 isnt MA a way of life?????
 gotcha...#aikido is another haunt o' mine
 Gwydion: no doubt..If I want to hear how some stranger's day has been I'll go join #chat.
 so does that mean all i do is MA all day long all life???
 if you want ma talk all the time then we have to start kicking out oldtimers and getting fresh blood in here
 gauz:in a way, i supose
 and i don't think that is what anyone wants
 what about sharing stories about MA? like "A funny thing happened on the way to the dojo...?" is that too unserious???
 I agree Drill.......
 i said that beofore Gauz!!!!!!!!!!!1
 Yes it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Mystress: if its related to MA, fine.
 Mystress: but I see no need for irrelevant useless chatter.
 Drill, not so, I'm an "Old Timer" and it seems to me some of the new blood needs to be kicked out if you want Serious MA talk
 when someone new comes in I for one try to talk ma with them
 who's to decide what's irrelevant and useless?
 I feel this has reached a conclusion ... anyone got a topic / question
 Great Point Mys!!!
 Gwydion: YEAH!
 All I'm saying is if you are here, you should want to talk about something at least REMOTELY related to MA
 do we need to establish definite ma talk periods?
<[magnum}> We have to be open to talk of our lives, it will always come around to MA, MA is not hockey it is a way of life.
 when someone new - to me - comes on i always ask what ma they are into 
 no Drill
 Gwydion: yep, you've got it.
 i think that talking about blisters on my feet from the rug at the dojo is relevant sometimes...whaddya think about THAT?
 It is !!!
 if ma conversation insues there after - great !!!
 no drill
 my:i goot terrible blisters when i ffirst started
 Mag and Gauz and me are the only ones with our heads screwed on right now :P
 no laws
 taran we should all be here because of that but there is more to it than MA MA MA
 seee....convo starter!!! ;)
 this is a place where contacts can be made
 no mater what you say, you can't always moderate this channel
 no definite times, we can't cos of time zones
 Drill, sure there is more than MA, but for that you have MSG windows and other channels.
 If this is a MA channel, it should be about MA chat.
 right on Tim
 hehehe thanc blak
 This is a channel about Martial Arts, if you don't want to discuss that, no one is telling you to be here
 but we can try to keep talk re MA in peak times
 MA IS A WAY OF LIFE THOU
 err.thanx
 taran, then if we only talk ma...
 I don't come here to hear or chat about non-MA stuff. Theres a thousand other channels I can go to for that.

 if the only thing we say in channel is MA...
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 i dont; get kciked out of the dojo once class is over
 What's this talk about times?  "All day everyday..#Martial" as I recall
<[magnum}> Gwn what is MA chat, how do you narrow it down, I see MA as a way of life, all I do is around MA.
 do you think all they talk about in the white house is government??? no sometimes they talk about sports, love, etc...or else they would go CRAZY...
 then nothing will be said after a while because ppl will be in other channels being friendly
 i though martial arts wa a way to expand your horizns, not dwel on one thing
 agreed mystr !!!
 true drill
 Exactly Mag!
BlakEagle Nods at Magnum!!
 yes drill 
 and if nothing is said for long periods then ppl  will begin to leave
 i agree
 hmmmmmmmmmm.........isnt the internet one of the last safe havens of freedom of speech?????
 hey mag ... we are bringing them to our side!!
<[magnum}> Gauz, way to go.....
 mag...MA is a high priority in my life, too...just b/c sometimes i talk about other things doesn't mean i take it less seriously than you
 i note in the afternoon, me and one other might be hee, the talk is what ever we decid
 yes it is gauz
 right on GAuz!!!!!
 your side blak?.... which was that again?
 Who said you can't be friendly?  Are we not friendly and respectful in the Dojo?  DOn't you make friends there and 99% of the time involved in MA
 lol tas
 i make freinds everywhere, dojo or not
 good for you tim!
 the one that says Ma is a Way of Life!
Tas cheers for timO
 good lord you take away peoples freedom to speak about whatever they want and you've screwed one of your greatest god given freedoms
 i also have other inturest other then karate, i'm not an otau of martial arts
 Wahhoooo
 wow, Gauz...you sound like a made-for-TV movie!!!
 Gauz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 and ppl will leave the channel - for more democratic waters
 otaku i mean
<[magnum}> this is why we can not limit our talk to just forms or any one aspect of MA, there are so many things that involve MA, my job is involved in MA.
 :P
 and that will be sad...don't wanna do that
 if everyone is away in msg land then newcomers come in - are ignored - then leave, never to return
 :-)
 true drill
 GAUZ - u are correct !!
 good point Drill
 if they see comeraderie happening then they will want to be a part of it
 nod drill, good point
 absolutely Drill
 This is a good chance to vent frustrations.
 yep
 Thats about it, I don't think anything will come of this meeting.
 nothing worse than a silent channel
 also, if all you talk is martial arts, that could turn some people of to the arts, thinking all artest ae compulsicve and egotisitcal
Tas cheers for drill :)
 why don't we make an effort to stay on topic (with helpful hints from ops) and see how it goes from there?
 I have invited friends from other servers to the channel.... and have been sorely dissapointed when they are ignored when I am not around... and critisized for what they study.....
 Martman: sometimes it is good to vent.  this is the first time we have tried this openness
 if everyone in the channel happens to me easy-going..the mood can do the same..and vice versa
Tas cheers for myst
 All I'm saying is that if you come into channel and you're seeing ppl talk about nothing it's bullsh|t.  You come into channel and you see talk about ANYTHING even remotely related to MA it's on the right track
 I agree With Mys!!!!
<[magnum}> As for new comers, often they will feel more like asking questions if weare open to all talk, so they learn, we don't stiffel them.....
 go mag :)
 lol
 The channel is TOO easy going as it is today.  There is a HUGE lack of respect compared to a year ago.
 gee wiz that's why we try to include newcomers into the convo by asking what style and such
Mystress stiffens her upper lip
 i respect you Gwydion :)
 there is a saying "LIVE IN THE NOW!!!!!!!"
 Gwydion: indeed!!
 why is the past such a big thing, it's gone
 look to the future
<[magnum}>  maybe they feel a little shy about asking something, if we are so uptight they will never ask, and then never know.
 Tas: Ditto :)
 where is this huge lack of respect?
 and NEVER IN THE PAST
 Gwydion: I think only users more than 1 or 2 years old can understand these things.
 lack of respect for whom?
 confusious was wrong, ok, move on
DrillMstr sets mode: +m 
 ok
 so here is what i see the MAJORITY saying...
 keep it the way it is but try to talk more about MA but not ALL MA
 the major lack of respect I've seen isn't in fooling around, but in style bashing, which isn;t always clear to a newcomer whether it's all in joke or not
 here's what i have to say about the opposing side of that...
<[magnum}> Mascotte, well done.
 if you aren't happy with the way the conversation is going...
Gauz thinks Drill needs a gavel wav to play :P
 then turn the convo back towards M
 a
 MA
 now
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 i would like to see everyone who comes here find what they are looking for in #martial
 but...
 you get out of it what you put into it
 if you put MA in you get MA out
 if you put friendliness in you get friendliness out
 if you put both in you get both out
 next subject is management
 the former owner of the channel who founded the channel left in February.  He turned it over to me.  He now wants it back.  what is everyone'
 everyone's thoughts on this?
<[magnum}> I stand with Drill.
 are we doing a good job for the most part?
 how can we make it better
 ?
 am i doing a poor job and do i need to turn it back to him or to someone else?
X sets mode: +o Gwydion 
 (going unmoderated)
DrillMstr sets mode: -m 
 Who was the former owner?
 I thin the cannel belongs to everyone who is here, no one persn "owns it", cause it's a virtual place, but managment wise, yes, we've donefine, and i think the people high up in managment are doing fine to
 Drill you're doing fine
Gwydion sets mode: -o Gwydion 
 Kyoshi
 i think u are doing a good jop drill - no one can please all
 Kyoshi, Guro, Kaijin
 Kyoshi...hmmm.
 we here at the Triad Cult Think that It should be given to the Flame God
 Oh yeah! I remember him:)
 he Goes by the Aliases Fire_Hawk and Flamesaw
 Well, I really don't care about it.  I think DrillMstr does as good a job as anyone.
 But we Need a Reg Owner Guys ... undernet Demands it
 he is also the Sexiest man Alive
 I dont Know the Old One ...
 Hail Fire Hawk
 Hail Fire Hawk!!!!!
 Personally, I feel the channel has changed tremendously since Guro left.  For the worse, imho
 Sooooo I say Stick with DrillMstr!!!!!!!!! ... U have done a Good Job Mate ... Congrads!
 pur:silliness is not called for yeet
 he is my god you must give him Ops when he apears
 why can't Drill and Rick run the channel??? is this america or what???
 my Sister is Madly In Love with FlameSaw
 Gydion: hmmm..
 no it isn't
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 I don't htink the problem is with DrillMstr, its with the other new ops.
 THe wrong people have gotten ops.
 Myst:I think Flamesaw should be given ops in this since he is a God
 He is my Leader
 This was Guro's channel, aways has been, aways will be.  If he wants to come back there should be no arguement
 Heya clariol!!!!!!!!!
 he has shown me the Path of El Oscuro
 pyron:umm, try to be serious please
 he has helped me and many people through times of darkness
 hey clariol !
 !!
 That isnt the question he is putting at us thou Martman!!!
 :)
 we need a Reg Owner!!
 when was the last time tis guru was here
 clariol!!! hey!!
 And I say Leave it as it is!!
 Hi all :)
 Tim: Last weekend
 hands up for drill....
 make the old one a high level Op and thats it
 gwyd:has he been doing as much work as drill
 i'd rather not see this channel split...like some civil war...we're better than that
Tas raises both hands and a foot
DrillMstr:  *x* modinfo #martial access Taran 100
X: New ACCESS for taran is 100
 BlakEagle: well if its his responsibility that these people received ops, so therefore if thats the case maybe we should have Guro back.
 Tim: Actually, I think he's been doing more work than Drill
 To true Mys!
 what about compromise??
 gwy:lately?
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 i have neever seen him on
 Along with other things, I think I would rather have Guro back.
 Flame Saw is here
 This channel ran very, very well with Rick running it.  It seems to have backed up since then
 Yes Tim
 ITS Flame saw
 Hello GOD
 Then you really don't know what you're talking about do you Tim?
 Pyron:Your too kind
 no you are my God
 gwy:no, i do, and i don't remebr insulting you ether
 really your a little to kind
 yes...he is too kind
 I think he should be given ops
 Now your Talking High Priest
 no offense Flame...it's just that you're not an ...um ...god...;)
 He's Promoted me!!!!
<[magnum}> Gwndion, I belive Tim does, and Drill is doing a very good job, if not we would have such a good MA channel.
 As soon as you start handing out ops to people who kiss ass, the channel goes down the tubes.
 i think i need to use a four leter word, stop
 Rick always did well by this channel.  He founded it, he ran it well.  Since he left, alot of ppl that should have not been given Opz have been given Opz and the channel is falling apart.
 oh I salute thee I'm not worthy I'm not Worthy
 gwyd:it's doign fine, i'm here everyday, no problems
 so that means your not accepting the position
 I'm going to kick pyron, ok folks?
 no of course not
 Mag: We had a far better MA channel before Rick left.  This is just a shell of the channel it was.
 I Gladdly accept
 gwyd - and u are all knowing about who should be an op !?!?
 okay Tim!!!
 I liek this channel
 go tim
 I think drill (altho i admitt i dunno what he does) is doing great
 I say it stays as it Is!!!
TimOPod has kicked Pyron from #martial (to much is to much)
 i again stand with drill
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Tas cheers for drill to stay :)
 Dragon, I'm stating my opinions
 Gwydion is your problem the fact that you don't have ops?
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<[magnum}> why do you call it a shell, explain?
 heya ju
 2 HOwdy all
 Ju!!!
Mascotte sets mode: +v JuShin 
 Hi Jushin
 Dragonfst: stop kissing ass so you can get ops.
Mascotte sets mode: -v JuShin 
 Wolfen, I am an Op, alright?
 i dont want ops
 i thnk somepeopel look to the past, i prefer the future
 Dragonfst: its because of individuals like you that this channel is like shit.
 if kissing ass is how you get ops i'll never get em!!  :)
 so whats the big deal about
 i also dont want a dictatorship
 Martman: I agree
 this isn't a dictatorship
 again - ur opinion martman
 mart...i thought there was a language rule on this channel...and an attitude guidE!!!1
 no it is not tim - 
 Dragonfst: is that all you can say?
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 thats why i like it as is
 :)
 Mystress: yeah, another problem ist that this channel has become so ANAL.
 Tim: I'll tell you one thing, this channel ran alot better as a Monarchy
 That was my Own Person
 Gwydion, if you haven't been happy with things then why the hell haven't you done anything about it?  I've put you in a position to make a difference so i don't think you have anything to complain about
FlameSaw was Pyron
 Its called Self Worship :)
 oh man - the king of anal - is calling some else that
 gwy:monarchy are inherintly flawed, so i dout it
 Mystress: That's one of the things that have changed.  Swearing is allowed
 if he doens't like it here, then why is he her now?
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DrillMstr sets mode: +m 
 ok
 here rather
 as far as our rules go...
X sets mode: +o Gwydion 
 Drill: I've tryed to make changes and have been fought the whole way
 ok Gwydion
DrillMstr:  *x* modinfo access Taran 5
X: New ACCESS for taran is 5
DrillMstr:  *x* modinfo autoop Taran off
X: AUTOOP for taran is OFF
DrillMstr:  *x* deop Gwydion
X sets mode: -o Gwydion 
 now back to the rules
 i have instructed the ops to allow some of what goes on here....
 because ppl felt things were too strict before
 we were losing ppl because of it
 so the one rule we have is to not show anyone or any style any disrespect
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 if language is in a convo but is not attacking anyone then why break up the conversation because of it?
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 sometimes lately it has gotten out of hand
 some of the ops have made poor decisions
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 that's what i'm here for... to try and keep things running smooth
 if I or anyone of the ops are not doing a good job then I need to know about it
Wolfen_ is now known as Wolfen
 if any of you are not happy with the rules then let me know
X sets mode: +o TimOPod 
 i will go by what the majority of the users say
 within reason of course
 (going unmoderated)
DrillMstr sets mode: -m 
 You don't have to disrupt conversation for language or any other problems.  All problems should be handled in MSG
 thoughts?
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X sets mode: +o Nimue 
 Anyway, I'm no longer an Op here, and just so everyone knows, I will, most likely not be returning to the channel.
 wb Num!!
 sorry
 wb Nim!!
<[magnum}> Gwydion, sorry to hear that.
 This blows.
Gwydion bows respectfully to all.
 if done unintentionally, swearing is usu stopped by warning in msg
<[magnum}> I have enjoyed talking to you.
 thata  rather fowl thing to do
Gwydion bows out of the former Virtual Dojo.
 if it gets rough, that's disrespect, so a kick is necessary
 ok Gwydion
 we accept your resignation
 Enjoyed talking to you too mag :)
 Take care everyone.
 sorry you feel that way
 Hehe, accept it, and then some on top of it, eh Dougie?
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 that wa a cop out
 Fool!!
 well your the one that op'd only to be able to say your piece
 very un martial arrts like
 I agree
 Yes it was!!
<[magnum}> no, he has a right to his thoughts.....
 but, maybe he has other reasons
 he cant handle the No Ops thing
 mag:maybe, but he should have sayed to mak changes
<[magnum}> I do not like the way he handled it, but he has that right.
 if he flt so much for it like he sounded
 err felt
 mag:oss, surre sure
 it seems like it eh!
 he does have a right but i was trying to have a meeting
 better for him to be happy
 Well His LOSS!
 I know what the problem is.
 and partly ours if he had something to offer
 he could have waited like everyone else to say his piece
 But that is life!!
 The problem is that all the good users have gotten sick and pissed off at this channel and left.
 drill:please continue
 So all thats left is the crap.
 mart:we have?
 TimOPod: indeed, they have.
Tas runs over and hugs Gwydion
Tas waves bye-bye
 mart:i am offended by that
 i value my self above crap
 TimOPod: do you think I care?
 are u in the middle of PMS Mart?
 mart:and if what you say is ture, why are you here then
 TimOPod: I don't remember 90% of you from the good days.
 folk might just take that personally Martman
 mart:always the past is it
 TimOPod: I'm here because I decided to be.
 Wolfen: awe, so sorry.
 well....
 mart:then stop sayign whats wrong, and think about how to make things right
 don't patronise me you're getting out of your depth
 There is no way to make things right.
 i like everyone here
 Mart, why not help make it better instead of quitting then ?
 As far as I see it, its too late.
 I can't help.
 Its beyond help.
 mart:then you'v already lost
 mart:nothing ios so bad
 Good then Bugger off
 U have a Attitude Prob mate
 BlakEagle: bugger me off.
 mart:just don't defeat yourself befor you start
 so basically everyone is "crap" and wouldnt that include you???
 blak:uncalled for
 pls stop
 well, i gotta go
 TimOPod: Its not about me, the channel has already lost.
 U havent Said One Good thing about this Channel
 never discourage soemoen if yuo can help it
DrillMstr sets mode: +m 
 after seeing all the comments
 Mart, I was, always helped Rick
 I stay cos of the channel
 what good comes from quitting ?
Nimue sighs heavily.
 Mas pls
 i think most want things to continue as is except maybe try improve things.
 Mart, if all tried, no, it would change, as all things
DrillMstr:  *x* deop Mascotte
X sets mode: -o Mascotte 
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Kaze sets mode: +o Mascotte 
 (going unmoderated)
 is this correct?
 oss
 well put drill
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 ok so do we need more rules?
 no, rules oonly casue trouble, the only way this will wrk i think, is self governing, let it run it's self
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 ok thanks timopod. anyone else?
 i think that the ops should be the ones to keep a sense of order here.
<[magnum}> There has to be some order, tim and we have to keep it.
 drill:it's still moderated...
 oops sorry
 but for heaven sake.... everyone has be willing to work on it or its NOT going to work.
DrillMstr sets mode: -m 
 1) Quitting is often done with the intention of waking up the channel to reality, obviously it hasn't worked.  2) I cant' think of anything good to say about the channel thats why I haven't.  3) In the past things would never have gotten so far out of hand.  4)  People here have no sense of true martial arts anymore. Its about UFC and other BS now.   
 I want to say that I belive that inthe evenings that I am here that there is alot of respect for ppl that enter and widh for it to continue.  Keep the ops and let them keep the room in order
 THE problem is that people in today's society have *lost* the essence of MA.
 good clariol
 I just realized that this is the problem.
 Its a natural change, the channel merely reflects the users.
 mart:i'm not japanese, so how can i have it?
 heheheh -m may help :P
 In time the users who had a good sense of the true essence have left, and now the others are here.
 What is the True MA then Mart?
<[magnum}> I live true MA,.
Nimue is now known as whitiger
 BlakEagle: its something you get from practicing traditional ma.
 Welcome tiger
 Now there is nothing wrong with having users without the essence, as it is our responsiblity to help them find the way.
 thnx clariol.
 I Know about that mate ... that is the Question i asked thou
 But to have ops and people in power who have no clue what MA is about is BS.
 DAMN
 mart - ma means diff things to diff ppl - u are not the ma god to decide what is the essence of ma !
 that ISNT the question i asked thou mate
 mart:why do you asume no one knows wahtmartial arrts is
 I train traditional
 Well whatever.
Gauz sets mode: -o Gauz 
 I think you all take this way to seriously:)
 That may be the other big problem.
 to tell u the Truth ... I know and U should Know ... that no-one knows what a true MA is anymore
 I mean, its only IRC.
 Martman: I have worked with MA folks for the last 2 years and understand things are different with different styles
 mart:true ture, but what does it matter, it's onyl money, same arument
 Clariol: and its the uprising of all these commercial arts that have perverted the true way.
 err argument
 Martman: who says that we don't do the true way?
 No-one Knows anymore what the TRUE way is!!!
DrillMstr sets mode: +m 
 look ppl.  if you like things -great!!! if you're unhappy with things - either leave or try to change it.  I am open to any and all comments.  If you have criticism of me then let me know so i can try to correct it.  if we have no feed back then things will stay the same or get worse
 this channel is for all of you
 i want to make it the best that it can be
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 but we can not do it without feedback
 now
 to bring this thing to a close
 i would like to conclude by saying...
 that I think we have a fine channel
 i have learned much from it
 blak:true is relavent, it changes with tim, what was true is not anymore
 drill:nod
 mayeb we need an easier way to get suggestions to ops, lliek a suggestion mail on the bot
 ok timopod
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 anyway
 i plan to offer the former owner a position with us
 at this time i personally feel he is not ready to be owner again
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DrillMstr  *Gauz* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
 if he does not want that then i'm sorry
 but we will decline his offer
 he wanted us to merge with him but he also said he wanted to be owner
 he has a martial society he has started
 i think it would be ok to offer to let him merge with us
 if he doesn't like it then may we both go on our own ways in peace
 i want only what's best for this channel
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DrillMstr  *qigong* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
 this is the first time we have come together to discuss these issues
 yes it seems it was only a gripe session
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DrillMstr  *VeuxDeux* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
 but i feel it was productive to see what the majority feel
 thank you all for attending
 please feel free to let me know of any other questions or comments
 you can e-mail me at drill.master@worldnet.att.net
 have a good night
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DrillMstr  *Mascotte* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
X sets mode: +o Mascotte 
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DrillMstr  *Gauz* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
 hey everyne, was a blast, i gotta go, see ya all later
 whatz up folks?
 DrillMstr: yeah, thats the solution.  way to go. :-P  I guess this just shows your ability to run the channel.  Remember that the channel reflects on the owner.  Of course you'd think its a fine channel because its your channel.  I mean its easy to get intoxicated when you have all these M'Artists worshiping you.
 welcome Mascotte
 thanks :)
 i missed the meeting:(
 it was interesting qigong  
<[magnum}> qigong it went well.
Dragonfst is now known as Bloodmane
 as well as coulf be expected
 if you don't tell me that anything is wrong then i will think everything is ok
 Hey folks.. phones out at my place... I caught some of this here with Dragon
 bye folks
 HELLLOOOO Blood!!!
qigong is laagggged cyaz:)
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 See ya Tim
 Bbbllllooooooodddddd!!
 Hi Blood
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DrillMstr  *brainold* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
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 Hello Dill and clariol :)
clariol hands Blood some $$$ to get the phone fixed! :)
 Hello wolfen 
 thanx clariol :)
<[magnum}> Blood, how you been?
Mascotte bows out
 night all
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 BLOOD!!
 see ya all later im goin swimming
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 mag I been ticked at my roomies for not payin the phone bill
<[magnum}> Not a good thing, have to pay a hook up fee?
DrillMstr:  *x* set #martial description Martial Arts and Martial People
X: New description set
 I dont know what all was discussed here this eve.. but it looks as if things turned out OK. I have never been dissatisfied with this channel. in fact the only disatisfaction that could come would be to try and to control what is said too much.. so no way do I think should this be a Strict MA discussion channel
 How many days a week do most people train?
 Bloodmane: well said :)
 later
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DrillMstr  *Capoeira* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
 we will hopefully have logs available later
 goodnight everyone
 I hope so too
 night Drill
 thanks for attending
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DrillMstr  *Magus* we will be in moderated mode for the meeting. Only text entered by people with @ or + by their name will be seen. /msg op if you have a comment and it will be posted in the order it was received.
 Goodnight Drill
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<[magnum}> Drill ,later.
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