From: sonofspahm@aol.com (Sonofspahm)

>I'm a rookie painted about to paint my first Space Marine faces. I have the
>standard colours as well as Bronzed Flesh and Flesh Wash. What is the best
>way to proceed to get realistic, detailed faces?

Save yourself the trouble and buy marines with helmets on!... or you could just
do a coat of Flesh Wash, then cover that with a pretty good coat of Bronzed
Flesh, and then maybe use Flesh wash again, as it will pick out the details of
the face really well (just try not to get carried away.. your Marines will have
orange faces).  That's a simple method, but it works.

-The Son
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From: Le forgeron fou 

Sonofspahm a écrit:
> 
> >I'm a rookie painted about to paint my first Space Marine faces. I have the
> >standard colours as well as Bronzed Flesh and Flesh Wash. What is the best
> >way to proceed to get realistic, detailed faces?
> 
> Save yourself the trouble and buy marines with helmets on!... or you could just
> do a coat of Flesh Wash, then cover that with a pretty good coat of Bronzed
> Flesh, and then maybe use Flesh wash again, as it will pick out the details of
> the face really well (just try not to get carried away.. your Marines will have
> orange faces).  That's a simple method, but it works.
> 
> -The Son
> members.xoom.com/sonofspahm/main.html

Or bronzed flesh, flesh wash, then highlight in bronzed flesh. (optional
add white in bronzed flesh then highlight a second time, and so on)

The pathes to the truth are numerous, but the only true one is in your
heart.
(Wahou, did I really wrote this !)


From: rlobinske@aol.com (RLobinske)

>I'm a rookie painted about to paint my first Space Marine faces. I have the
>standard colours as well as Bronzed Flesh and Flesh Wash. What is the best
>way to proceed to get realistic, detailed faces?
>
>Thanks!
>

First, you need to recognize that this will take practice.  I don't use Citadel
paints, so I can't give you the color matches.  I use a pallete of flat white,
radome tan, flesh, dark tan or dark earth, red brown and flat black.  For fine
adjustments, you may need flat red or yellow.  Decide upon the basic skin tone
desired, this can be out of bottle or a custom mix of two adjacent colors on
the list.  Paint the base color over the exposed skin areas and allow to dry. 
Apply a slightly thin wash of the next darker color, be careful not to
overapply the wash.  When dry, lightly drybrush with the next lighter color. 
For scale effect, don't try to paint eye details, looking at a figure 1 foot
away is like looking at a person 40-50 feet away, you can't see the eye detail,
just the slight shading of the socket.  Detail areas like open mouthes can be
painted with a slightly pink version of the base color.
Finally, go to a good hobby shop and check the book section, there are a number
of good books out there on painting figures that can give much more detailed
advice.

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From: prboy@clinet.fi (Pertti Rassi)

In article <37689235@news.vphos.net>, antares500@hotmail.com says...
>
>Hi there!
>
>I'm a rookie painted about to paint my first Space Marine faces. I have the
>standard colours as well as Bronzed Flesh and Flesh Wash. What is the best
>way to proceed to get realistic, detailed faces?
>
I've had mediocre result by basecoating the face with bleached bone, putting on 
the wast and highlighting with bronzed flesh and bleached bone. 


From: mattjoesph@aol.com (MattJoesph)

>Hi there!
>
>I'm a rookie painted about to paint my first Space Marine faces. I have the
>standard colours as well as Bronzed Flesh and Flesh Wash. What is the best
>way to proceed to get realistic, detailed faces?
>
>Thanks!
>

I mix a small ammount of flesh colored paint for each marine.  (brown, tan,
white, a dot of pink).  This way every marine has slightly different skin tone.
 It makes the whole force look more alive.


-Matt      :)

Grand Supreme Math-Nazi Foobah, Overseer of all that is average, and watcher of
all which is not.  Keeper of the Holy 800 math SAT score.
Grammer Nazi reject.


From: Roy Grimm 

Vinni Vidivici wrote:
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> I'm a rookie painted about to paint my first Space Marine faces. I have the
> standard colours as well as Bronzed Flesh and Flesh Wash. What is the best
> way to proceed to get realistic, detailed faces?
> 
> Thanks!

Here's how I do it.

1.  Don't take the head off the sprue.  Use the base sprue piece so you
have something to hold onto.  It makes life easier.  If you've already
taken it off the sprue and glued it in place, don't worry.  You just
have to be a little more careful.

2.  Do the flesh first.  Again, if you've already painted the whole
marine, don't worry.  Just be careful.

3.  Prime the head white.

4.  Base coat the face with bronzed flesh.

5.  Put on a thin coat or two of flesh wash.

6.  Highlight the face by dry brushing with elf flesh (or mix together
bronzed flesh with white on a palette if you don't have elf flesh)

7.  If you've got a reasonably steady hand and a lot of patience, use a
fine detail brush and paint the eyes white, putting a small dot of black
for a pupil.  Yes, the first several times you do this, you will make
mistakes.  Practice it and you will get better.

8.  If you haven't painted the rest of the head, paint it now.

9.  If you haven't yet put the head onto the body, do that now.  But
paint the body first...

This will give you a decent looking caucasian face.  I'm still
experimenting with tones to go with the citadel Dark Flesh color.  So
far, this has worked for me:

1. Start with the skin primed white.

2. Base coat the skin in dark flesh.

3. Mix a little white in with the dark flesh (don't use more than a
little white, just make it a shade lighter) and dry brush the skin well.

4. Mix more white in with the dark flesh/white mix you're working with
and lightly dry brush the skin again.  This gives you the same three
toned layering you get with the bronzed flesh/flesh wash/elf flesh
technique, just achieved a little differently.

This gives you a good dark (African? black? negro?  Whatever is
politically (in)correct these days) skin color.

Hope that helps,
Roy


From: drhode@utmem1.utmem.edu

> Vinni Vidivici wrote:
> > 
> > Hi there!
> > 
> > I'm a rookie painted about to paint my first Space Marine faces. I have the
> > standard colours as well as Bronzed Flesh and Flesh Wash. What is the best
> > way to proceed to get realistic, detailed faces?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> 
> Here's how I do it.

This is some good advice from Mr. Grimm.  In fact, good advice from
everybody.  I'm going to add a couple of bits to it to illustrate
techniques that work pretty well for me.

> 1.  Don't take the head off the sprue.  Use the base sprue piece so you
> have something to hold onto.  It makes life easier.  If you've already
> taken it off the sprue and glued it in place, don't worry.  You just
> have to be a little more careful.

What I do is a little different, and a bit grotesque.  First, you'll need
some toothpicks and a package of the type of tacky putty used for putting
up posters (sometimes sold as Blu-Tak (sp?), although mine is yellow...). 
You will also need one of the foam inserts from a typical miniatures
blister pack.  I remove the head from the sprue, and clean it.  Then I
stick a small ball of putty on the base, and insert the wide end of the
toothpick into the putty.  Then I force the toothpick through the foam. 
Eventually, I have a tiny forest of little disembodied heads, screaming in
agony...

> 2.  Do the flesh first.  Again, if you've already painted the whole
> marine, don't worry.  Just be careful.

Always a good idea to paint from the inside out.  This concept cannot be
reinforced enough... ;) (although many people develop their own techniques
which work well for them)

> 7.  If you've got a reasonably steady hand and a lot of patience, use a
> fine detail brush and paint the eyes white, putting a small dot of black
> for a pupil.  Yes, the first several times you do this, you will make
> mistakes.  Practice it and you will get better.

Here's where I would make one major change in procedure.  Paint the eyes
and mouth first, before doing the actual skin.

1.  Using a fine detail brush, paint the eyes in Bleached Bone.  The
advantage of doing this first is that you don't need a steady hand... all
you need to do is paint a horizontal stripe across the eyeball.  I prefer
to use Bleached Bone because White will often look too bright, and Light
Grey is a little inorganic for my tastes. 

2.  Using an even finer brush, paint the irises in using Chaos Black. 
Here, all you need is to do a vertical stripe across the center of the
eye.  What also works quite well is to use a fine-tipped graphical pen,
which you can find in some art stores.  These also come in colors other
than black, so you could actually paint (technically, draw) a brown,
green, or blue iris.  And if you have a really steady hand, you could add
a black pupil in the center of that... 

3.  If the figure's mouth is open (and I've noticed that many marine heads
have open mouths), paint the inside with Scab Red.  It is okay to get some
of the paint on the lips of the model.  Because the flesh-colored paint
you will be using later is translucent, when you go over the lips in a
flesh color, they will appear to be slightly darker and redder than the
rest of the skin, which is what you want. (but not too red... that might
imply something scandalous about your marines... ;)

4.  Many of the figures with open mouths have teeth.  Paint the teeth in
Bleached Bone, then highlight with a little Skull White.

5.  Go ahead and paint the rest of the figure's flesh, as described here
and in the other posts, whatever technique works for you.  I find that
it's much easier to paint around the eye at this stage, especially because
of the way Citadel sculpts the eyelids, than it is to paint the skin
first, then add the eye later.


Hope that helps!

David


From: "Rob Fungsang" 

Vinni Vidivici wrote in message <37689235@news.vphos.net>...
>Hi there!
>
>I'm a rookie painted about to paint my first Space Marine faces. I have the
>standard colours as well as Bronzed Flesh and Flesh Wash. What is the best
>way to proceed to get realistic, detailed faces?
>
>Thanks!
>
DISCLAIMER:  To say the least, this will be a bitch.  You will need a lot of
time and patience.

As a DA player, I use multiple flesh tones to represent their recruiting
from several worlds.  Here are the steps I use:


Faces:

1)  The face area must be white to start with.  If you have primed the model
black, go over it with a paintbrush using white primer.

2)  Apply a thin wash of Flesh Wash or Black Wash.  GW flesh tones have too
much of a pink or orange color IMO, and this coat will change the hue to a
more realistic color.  As with every time you use wash, be sure to let it
completely dry before moving on.  (Black flesh tones can skip this step)

3)  Using Back Wash, paint in the recesses of the eyes and mouth.  Then
paint the rest of the face with your selected flesh color.

4)  This part requires a brush with the finest point you can find.  Using a
watered down Skull White, put a small dot near the corners of the eyes.  You
avoid the "bug-eye" look by using this method, but it's real easy to screw
up, sending you back to Step 3.

4a)  Using the same brush, paint a thin line of Skull White in the mouth
where the teeth are.  Be careful not to let the white and flesh actually
touch (ie there should be an even thinner line of black in betweem still),
unless you think the model looks good with buck teeth.

5)  The hard part's done.  Just use a very light amount of Black/Flesh Wash
over the cheeks and brow


Hair:

1)  Start with a (watered down if necessary) basecoat.  For black hair, use
Codex Grey; Flesh Wash for blonde/redhead; Black Washfor brown hair;
Elf/Ghostly Grey for a "going grey" look.

2)  Drybrush with the appropriate hair color.

Rob Fungsang


From: Alistair Hutton 

In the previous post <37689235@news.vphos.net>, Vinni Vidivici
 writes
>Hi there!
>
>I'm a rookie painted about to paint my first Space Marine faces. I have the
>standard colours as well as Bronzed Flesh and Flesh Wash. What is the best
>way to proceed to get realistic, detailed faces?
>
Time to add my half tuppence worth.

Note 1.  I've found out, after about 5-6 years of trying, that I can't
use washes at all to get a good face effect.  Every once in a while I'd
get a nice finish but most of the time the model looked cack.  The ink
would pool too much or wouldn't cover evenly.  So my advice doesn't use
inks at all. 

Note 2.  All my paints are 8-9 years old so I'm not using the latest
formulations.  Anyway.

Step 1.  The face should be undercoated white.  Most flesh colours are
pretty weak and they just can't be painted over black.

2.  Start with a thin coat of a very light flesh tone.  I use bleached
bone.
3.  Once dry go over the face again with a thin coat of bronzed flesh.
The important thing at this stage is not to obscure face detail.
4a.  Add a little brown to some bronzed flesh.
4b.  Shade the face with this mixture.  Go back to stage 4a this time
adding some more brown.  The consistency and shade of the mixture is the
most important part of painting the face and only experience will be
able to teach you the exact mixture.  The more shades you use the more
realistic the face you get.
5.  Tidy up any little slips with some bronzed flesh.  Highlight the tip
of the nose with a light flesh tone.
6.  Then add the eye detail with your tiniest finest brush and steadiest
hand.
7.  Slap on the eyebrows to decrease the staring eye effect
8.  Viola, instant (hah!) face.

I also use the same general technique for large areas of skin except
that I add a little yellow-brown along with the straight brown.
-- 
Alistair Hutton

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