10 questions were
asked of various Gorean Males: for the next few
weeks we will be posting the responses to the
questions. Comments from our readers are
encourage. We hope you will find it informative
and fascinating. We wish to thank those who have
already sent in their responses, and hope the
remaining will do so, soon. All responses are
being posted in the order received. 1. Setting
aside "Honor", what is the most
important thing You have learned on IRC Gor?
Alchemyst::
That even though it's a role-playing atmosphere,
these are still real people with real feelings
and they can be hurt. I didn't exactly learn that
here, but, it applies more strongly here than
anywhere else I've ever been in IRC.
Jake:: To
always trust my gut instinct, and to remember
that first impressions are deceiving.
RedCape:: I
have learned in my time on IRC Gor that it is
extremely important for Goreans to try their best
to understand one another and to strive to get
along. Too many of us are pitted against each
other over petty squabbles and philosphical
ideals, and they make the experience here in Gor
unpleasant for all of us...even more important to
me than "Honor", is the love a Master
and slave feels for each other and the special
relationship that they share, and it is different
for each and every Gorean....but that is the core
of why we are here...if more of us focused on
that realtionship and less on
"fighting" each other, I think we would
all be happy.
Strummer::
That without the restraints of "the real
world" we can all be as we wish to be. For
most of us that is much as we really are, perhaps
a little better. For some however, that is a LOT
worse.
TarnRider::
That it is not a good idea to take things at face
value, often things are not what they seem.
2.
What has been Your most embarrassing
moment?
Alchemyst::
My first week in Gor, I slapped a slave for a
perceived insult which turned out to be nothing
more than a figure of speech of hers that I was
not familiar with.
Jake::
Hasn't happened yet. I don't embarrass, at least,
not very easily.
RedCape::
HAHAHAHHAH...almost too many to list...but I
would definately say my most embarrassing moment
was when I had taken a new slave, and I was in
the furs with her for the first time. I
accidentally left a msg window to a Freewoman
open and somehow the "moment of truth"
in the furs didnt go to the DCC with the slave,
it went to the Freewoman....I felt like such a
heel....LOL...but it was hilarious. (BTW..to that
Freewoman whom I sent it to accidentally....once
again I am sorry <wink>)
Strummer::
Accepting a beverage and complimenting girl's
serve BEFORE she had gotten it to me :-)
TarnRider::
There have been too many to count and I dont want
to be reminded of them in a future edition of the
Times :)
3.
What was Your first mistake on IRC
Gor and how did You overcome it?
Alchemyst::
It was the above incident. I overcame it by
appologizing to the girl's Master and
interceeding with him to prevent further
punishment of her in the matter.
Jake:: The
first mistake I made was thinking that Vrai
needed to be killed I mistook a Master being busy
with his slaves and not answering my questions
for rude behaviour I learned about priorities.
RedCape::
Ho Boy...I started out as a kajirus on Gor, and I
knew so little of the rules...I was collared to
this channel and then a Mistress whom I had known
outside of Gor removed it thinking it was no big
deal because it was a channel collar. Well, of
course it turned out that it was...and her collar
was removed and the channel collar was put back
on. Very soon after, that same Mistress came to
Gor and collared me legally...but rumors went out
that the channel had collared me forcibly. I
corrected it by going to each and every channel I
cold think of and annouced publically that the
rumor was a lie....and that the channel was
indeed being honorable, and it was my mistake for
being such a newbie.
Strummer::
Not knowing how to act or speak at all. I simply
told everybody that I was new. Most I met were
very helpfull and I took their guidance
gratefully.
TarnRider::
Trying to get involved while still a newbie.
After my ass was bounced from a number of
channels, I decided to watch and learn before
trying to contribute.
4.
Have You ever felt inadequate when
dealing with a peer or slave? If Yes, How did You
handle the situation?
Alchemyst::
Yes for both peer and slave. But these were r/l
situations and not really connected with irc Gor.
And, you'll pardon me if for personal reasons, I
don't go into them.
Jake::
Inadequate? Never. Bored? Occassionally, and then
I usually just think my way out of the situation.
RedCape::
No, I am a man who believes what I choose to
believe, and I never feel inadequate when it
comes to my interactions in Gor. Oftentimes it
gets me in trouble and my mouth opens more than
it should, but I have never felt inadequate. Even
though I often receive sharp criticism for my
ideals, I still believe that what is in my heart
is in my heart....and I belong on Gor as much as
anyone else.
Strummer::
Many times when I first started. Again, I tried
to learn from those more knowledgeable, be they
Free or slave.
TarnRider::
Just after getting ops I was approached by a
slave with a question on behaviour. I had no idea
of the answer, but gave the same sort of advice I
would give r/l. It seemed to work.
5.
If You could change one thing on IRC
Gor, what would it be?
Alchemyst::
FreeWomen attire. I think the veils and
face-coverings are stupid.
Jake::
CuSEEme cameras.
RedCape::
If I could change anything in Gor I would change
the amount of channel rivalries and
"killings" that occur all the time and
only escalate the hatred and uneasiness that
plagues so many channels nowadays. Too many
Gorean now sit in a corner and are so upset
because so and so is after them or because
someones former slave is making life hell for
them....squabbles will happen in Gor, but lately
they occur so often everyone is numb to it.
Strummer::
As unbelievable as this sounds... I think that
some form of ACTUAL costs in the acquisition of
goods (slaves & otherwise) would help resolve
MANY problems.
TarnRider::
The ability of players to use a whole range of
nicks, especially those who switch between Master
and female slave.
6.
Where do You feel FreeWomen are
making their biggest mistake on IRC Gor?
Alchemyst::
By being FreeWomen in the first place. The role
is too restrictive.
Jake::
FreeWomen exist at the behest of the Free Men of
Gor - I believe that, while they can stand next
to us, that they should not try and compete with
us - that is a surefire way to be face-stripped
in my HomeStone.
RedCape:: I
have seen more than a few times a Freewoman beg
for a collar....and then disappear without a
trace after she gets that collar. Freewomen are
not supposed to be slaves who are just waiting
for a collar...Freewomen are supposed to be
strong and worthy of their freedom. There are
many that are, but I have seen some that are
unbelievably dishonorable in their actions, and
oftentimes leave FreeMen distraught becasue they
could have SWORN they had just collared her
yesterday...where could she be?
Strummer::
I have not known any well. I have no idea WHY
they are there.
TarnRider::
By trying to behave as Masters, that is not the
way Freewomen behave in the books. They want to
be Freewomen ..they should behave accordingly.
7.
3rd person slave speech was not
commonly used in the scrolls of Norman, till the
later writings - Why do You feel it is beneficial
to be used on IRC Gor?
Alchemyst::
Actually, I don't feel it is beneficial.
Especially considering the number of people we
have around here for whom English is not their
native language. Talking in 3rd person often
makes the grammar hard to follow even when it's
from someone who DOES write and speak English
natively.
Jake::
There is little that can be done RL from the
books, and this is one way that we can install a
sense of submission and slavery on the kajirae by
enforcing the 3rd person speech.
RedCape::
For one it is a unifying language of slaves, and
oftentimes denotes them as such and seperate from
the lower case nicks that pop into Gor and are
not Gorean at all. Freepersons identify themslves
as Gorean with a Tal, but slaves to not say Tal,
so it is good that they identify themselves
quickly with the third person. Not only that, but
if the third person is used, it makes a girl feel
more owned because she rarely will refer to her
own identity, her identity is that of her Master
and what he gives to her, as it should be.
Strummer::
In addition to demonstrating a clear symbol of
submission, it also clarifies for new commers who
is kajira and who is kajirus.
TarnRider::
I have no strong feelings on this topic, but 3rd
person speech has become synonymous with IRC Gor,
a tradition of sorts and therefore can be
maintained as such.
8.
Where do You feel Book Knowledge fits
in to IRC Gor, and How is it beneficial?
Alchemyst::
Primarily with regards to matters of culture or
common heritage. Simply because it provides a
reference and a framwork for interacting with
each other. But beyond that, it only contributes
to the ongoing argument of "my channel is
more Gorean than YOUR channel".
Jake:: How
can one think to be of GOr without understanding
the passions behind the IDEA of Gor? Just reading
the books is not enough - to be on IRC Gor you
have to close your eyes and find that special
place where you hide your innermost feelings, and
take those feelings and transport them and
yourself (in your mind's eye) to Gor, where you
can see how Counter-Earth really is (would be,
for you non-believers). Besides, hard to argue a
point of Gorean Order if you have not read the
books.
RedCape::
Book knowledge is very useful in IRC Gor because
it is the setting in which we all exist here,
BUT...there are many in ICR Gor that treat the
books as a Bible, and if it is in the books it
can be done here. I disagree...in the book there
are "superslaves" that can be beaten
with fifty lashes, bleeding from her back, and
then she gets up and serves...that does not
happen with living and breathing people and is
oftentimes not taken into account. The primary
thing everyone needs to realize is that Norman's
books are fiction; the characters are based on
stereotypes...in IRC Gor we are living breathing
people on the other side of those keyboards, and
as such we have real hearts and minds...and need
to interact more often based on ourselves than
under some perception of a stereotype that we get
from the books, if we dont, then we have reduced
Gor to nothing but role-playing characters like
we were playing D&D.
Strummer::
Gor simply cannot be done without SOME level of
book knowledge.
TarnRider::
In answering questions such as "How should
this be done ?", or "How should a
Freeperson/slave behave in a particular situation
?". If we seek to be true to the scrolls, we
should be guided by them in how we behave.
9.
Are there any customs to IRC Gor,
that You do not feel are reflective of the
writings of Norman?
Alchemyst::
It's been about 15 years since I read any of the
Gor books. So, I don't feel I'm qualified to
answer this question.
Jake::
Hmmmmmmmmmm. IRC Killings, perhaps. The idea
behind the Kill on Gor is to eradicate the
existance of that person, yet on IRC they spring
back in as many forms as there are in the night
sky. There is no Honor in killing a slave, yet I
see slaves be subjected to the blade time and
time again. That for me is important, for I will
not do such a thing. I would, RL, deal with
anyone that attempted to harm myself or my
property, be they Man or Woman, but only with the
amount of force required. Seems that the answer
here is Death
RedCape::
Many...collars are consentual, Freewomen hang out
in paga taverns, there are more High caste in IRC
Gor than in the books, fighting between us is not
based on skill, but on who has a faster Script.
There are many many slaves who do not have
collars...and by definition in the books, slaves
do not run around free looking for collars, they
are bought and sold or captured as Freewomen...
Strummer::
Except for the holiday of kajuralia, painting a
Master's toenails is not depicted in any of the
books I've read.
TarnRider::
No Kill Zones are not reflective of the writings.
10.
Where do You feel role play is
beneficial to IRC Gor?
Alchemyst::
Interaction with others in the framework that is
Irc Gor. I've been doing role playing games for
21+ years. For the first week I was here, it was
just another role-playing game to me. So, I would
have to say that it is beneficial in adapting
people to the framework.
Jake:: When
you meet your slave or Master RL, there is a
degree of comfort - one knows what to expect in
the behaviour. Of course, if the behaviour
doesn't match RL, then you know that the person
is not who you thought they were, and thus you
can exit the relationship properly - and if the
behaviour IS what you expected, then it makes a
potentially nerve-reacking/nail-biting activity
all the more calm and exciting.
Unless you are
talking about fist-fighting...
((((laughing)))) -
Ask Vrai`
RedCape::
Role-play is essential to Gor, without it we do
not feel the correct mood that we feel...I dont
want to sit around Gor talking about the next
Presidential election...and I dont think too many
of us want to as well. Our roleplaying is
important to us all, it is what truly makes us
Gorean...to forget ones urthern self and exist
not as Men who live in Boston holding down a desk
job, but the same man in a different world. That
is one of the core principles of IRC Gor.
BUT!!!...this all breaks down when one forgets
who the man was on Urth, and decides instead to
play something he would never be in real
life....that makes him what we call
"players". I am oftentimes worried
about men who kill with no compunction, slaves
and Freepersons alike...are they really sick in
the head and would kill on Urth if society let
them? To be more true to those around you and to
really find the slave that you want, etc, you
must act exactly as you are, but just in a Gorean
setting, and leave the true role-playing to the
wargamers in the comic book shops.
Strummer::
Other than a few discussion groups, what is there
to IRC Gor that is NOT role play?
TarnRider::
There is a difference between role-play and
re-enactment. Role-play can be useful in formal
or staged settings, such as ceremonies of various
sorts. Day-to-day behavior should be as natural
as possible within the strictures of Gor.
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