A Strong Muslim Woman Writes to Islamic Monitor!!

Below is some correspondence Islamic Monitor had with a Muslim woman who wrote to complain about the Islamic Monitor web site.  Islamic Monitor decided to publish the correspondence so that readers understand the mentality of [some] Muslims living in Western countries.   Islamic Monitor has chosen not to disclose her name or Email address; instead, she will be referred to as "Strong Muslim Woman" (SMW for short) in a nod to UK journalist Julie Burchill's reference in her article Some People Will Believe Anything

The correspondence is presented in chronological order

Date:  Sat Jul 12, 2003  10:41 pm
Subject:  regarding:women in islam
To:  Islamic Monitor
From: SMW


Hello Sir/Madam
I don't know who has made this awful website, criticizing Islam and other
religions. If you want to spread Atheism, you can spread it by telling the
benefits of accepting atheism. But I don't understand this that why are you
criticizing Islam? By going through this website I didn't learn anything
about atheism but only the criticism on Islam and other religions.

I was shocked by knowing your shallow study on Islam. I don't even know if
you have ever read the Quran? Or have you just listened to these
misconceptions about Islam and are writing them down.

Where does it say in the Quran to persecute woman? To kill them? To beat
them up? To not let them drive or do anything? Show any verse of the Quran
to me that says something that is oppressive to women.
You will be amazed to know that the word Man is used 24 times in Quran and
the word Woman is used 24 times in the Quran, showing the equality of man
and woman.
Islam does not oppress woman. It gives both the man and woman equal rights.
Both the man and woman have different duties to perform. As you know that
the secret behind the success of a group is that different things are
assigned to different people in a group e.g. one person is a leader, the
other person is a thinker and the third person has some other doer. If all
the people in a group concentrate on one single thing, they will not be able
to finish the other parts of their assignment.

Similarly, in real life, man has the duty to work outside and earn money for
his family, while a woman is asked to run the home by making food and doing
other household chores. I think woman is luckier than man because woman
gets to stay inside the house and do whatever she wants to, while man has to
work constantly, sometimes in the scorching sunlight, and have the
responsibility of his whole family. Don't you think that Man has a more
difficult job than woman?

If both the man and woman concentrates on earning money, then who will run
the family, who will take care of children, babysitters? Well, that is what
happening with the western society.
In western countries women go outside and work and think they are liberated
which is not true and leave their kids at home who are either under the care
of the babysitters or alone. Children are brought up without proper
upbringing and then when they become old, they leave their parents in old
age homes as their parents left them when they were kids.

Why do you think that the divorce rate is so high in western countries?
Do you have any reason for that? Or do you think it is also as cool as
women’s liberation?

I have the reason for such a high divorce rate. Because of the unlimited
freedom given to women, they go out for a job, meet different men and
develop illegal relationships with them. This is awful. When they become
pregnant or when their husbands come to know about all that was going on
behind their backs, they get upset and divorce their wives.

Women are asked to cover their bodies and heads not only for self respect
but to be respected by other people.

If asking women to cover themselves, to gain respect, to stay at home, to
take care of their children and make them differentiate between good and bad
and make them realize their rights and responsibilities and to be there when
their children and husbands need them without bothering about what’s going
on outside their homely heavens, is a crime then yes ISLAM can be accused of
this crime.

I, as a woman of today, am enjoying my status as a homemaker where I am
fully aware of the problems my children are facing today and the
frustrations my husband goes through at his workplace. I am also a working
lady but I prefer my family over my work and try to do those works after
which I will be able to spend more and more time with my family.


Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:15:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Islamic Monitor
To: SMW
Subject: Re: regarding:women in islam
I'm glad that the Islamic Monitor web site (www.oocities.org/islamic_monitor) motivated you to write to me.
First of all, I am not trying to spread atheism, or any other belief system through this web site.  As a westerner, I value the rights accorded to me through law and secular government, secured by the sacrifice of brave men and women over the centuries.   I started this site because I was alarmed how Islamic groups were exploiting western freedoms to undermine them and ultimately impose their values on the rest of us, and relegate non-Muslims and women to a lower status.
You have gone on a tirade how giving women freedom to work and go out uncovered outside the home has led to many social ills in western society.  That's not necessarily the case.  I've been happily married nine years.   I've always worked away from the home, and my job has given me the opportunity to travel all over the world.  In all that time, I have not developed "illegal" relationships with men or gotten pregnant by men other than my husband ... all those terrible things that you say happens when women work outside the home.   Also, because I work, I am in a better position to understand and commiserate with my husband about his difficulties at work.
Many people behave irresponsibly when given freedoms such as I enjoy in the West.  But although some people behave irresponsibly and I deplore that behavior, I'd rather keep my freedoms rather than exchange them for the status I would have under Islam.   Islam allows a man to divorce his wife by saying "I divorce you" (talaq) three times.   People I've known who've lived and worked in Muslim countries have said that many divorced Muslim women are reduced to beggary once their maintenance have run out and they've sold off their jewelry (oftentimes their only wealth).  Muslim men may take a second or third wife or even a fourth wife without the wife's consent.   Polygyny leads to jealousy and hostility between wives ... the Prophet's relationships with his wives (post-Khadija) is a case study.  Although the Quran (4:3) does make the qualification if the husband cannot do justice to multiple wives, he should marry only one, the Prophet took more than four wives (more than allowed by the Quran) and could not do justice to all.
Now, [SMW], I would like to know if you are a convert or "revert" (as Muslims prefer to say) to Islam.  In which country do you live?
Regards,
Islamic Monitor
Date:  Fri Jul 18, 2003  1:01 am
Subject:  RE:Re: regarding:women in islam
From: SMW
To: Islamic Monitor

Dear Islamic Monitor:

I have read your email and I was glad to see your response on my email. Thank you for a detailed reply.
First of all, I would like to clear you on this point that Islam is not imposing its values on westerners and not trying to persecute Non-Muslim men and women. But it would be wise to say that western countries are trying to influence Islamic countries by criticizing Islam and its point of view on women.
When did you see that Muslims are trying to rid this world off western traditions and values? In September 11? Well, let me clear this point out that you have no proof whether Muslims did it or not.
How can you possibly say that a poor country like Afghanistan, where people don't even have to eat, can take such a big step and attack two buildings in America with very expensive planes. They would rather buy some food from that money. Don't you think food is the better choice?
Are you pointing towards Osama bin Laden's interview in which he was talking to some other guy and was happy about what had happened to those two buildings? Why should not he be happy?
In a minute, you will be clear about why was he happy? Didn’t you use to hate Muslims after September 11? In fact, many Muslims got persecuted in the western countries. I didn’t get a job because of my Hijab. My brother once went outside. He had beard at that time. A group of guys surrounded him and said “You Taliban, Get out of our country”. Once I was coming from a shopping mall. I was wearing Hijab. Two guys hit me with the bottles. My mother was wearing Shalwar Kamees (a Pakistani dress) in the bus. One woman started criticizing her and said things like “What is Allah Talla”. Is that the way to talk to Muslims? Shouldn’t we be treated with respect? Shouldn’t we be given full rights? If you have four or five brothers and one of them is a terrorist, should everyone be blamed of his deeds? And nobody wants to talk to you, invite you, have any kind of relationship with you, what will be the reaction of your family? Sooner or later you will start hating the society, which is giving you unnecessary blame, judging you by the character of your brother and condemning your parents for the faults of their son? Same is going on with the Muslims and their religion. According to Westerners our religion is teaching us to become terrorists. They are exploiting the word Jihad. Jihad means to struggle against our evil thoughts, persecution, and unnecessary oppression. Jihad can also be done with the help of pen, if we don’t have the power to speak and act against some dictator, then we can use our pen meaning we can write against that person. There are so many kinds of Jihad. Even fasting is a kind of Jihad in which we fast to gain self-control, so we are struggling against the basic needs of our body in order to understand the problems faced by the poor people of the society. Jihad is not what your westerners are taught about. It has a big meaning and it is a very big word.
Now let's talk about the aftermath of the September 11. America attacked on Afghanistan and killed so many innocent people, more than the ones killed in the two buildings. Many people lost their whole families. Some lost their mothers. Don’t you think these children, when they will get old, will take revenge from America, like America took the so called revenge? Then you will call these people terrorists. Do you think those people who got killed were insects, worms or did they have no status in front of your eyes? When you used to hear about the casualties of Taliban, wouldn't you use to enjoy that your "American Heroes" are killing the so called "terrorists"? For us, it is the opposite. The so called American heroes are terrorists and the so called terrorists are heroes in our eyes. Why am I saying that American heroes are terrorists? This is because when they used to bomb the areas in Afghanistan; did they know who is getting killed? I doubted. Osama bin Laden did not get killed in the war; instead the American soldiers destroyed the whole country. Now there is starvation and poverty in Afghanistan. Did America provide Afghanistan any food after the war? No. Did America make Afghanistan any better than it was before? Is Afghanistan prosperous now? No. But I think it is poorer than before. Americans provided Afghanistan with food and other necessities during the war to show the world that their war is not against the people, but against the terrorists. Do you think that America was justified in taking revenge like this, killing so many innocent people while the so called terrorists fled away? After that, America was still not contended with the lives of people it took and wanted to take more. Therefore, President Bush started a false propaganda that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, again a Muslim country, to take revenge for the September 11. U.N.O. ambassadors were sent to Iraq to find the weapons of mass destruction. They didn't find any. Then America started another propaganda that they want to overthrow Saddam Hussein's so called tyrannical regime and killed so many innocent people. Didn't you use to be happy when you heard about the casualties in Iraq? Why do you think America attacked Iraq? Was it really sincere to the people of Iraq? Or was it revenge? If it was to liberate people from dictatorship, then why didn't America take any action before September 11? Because you know that Saddam was ruling there for so many years.
Now let’s see the aftermath of the Iraq war. Still people are getting killed for their protests. Is that what we call democracy? So many people are dying everyday. Before Iraq's war, we didn't hear any Iraqi protesting against his government. You would say that they would get killed by Saddam's people if they protested. Don't you think that the same story is going on right now? American soldiers kill Iraqi people and lie that they were trying to kill American troops. Is the western democracy telling you to take over another country and kill the people of that country?
You say that west has democracy. What about when President Bush was going out for Iraq's war? Many Americans, mostly Non-Muslims, protested against it? Not only the Americans, but also U.N.O. (the world organization) and the people from all over the world, protested against the Iraq’s war. Does democracy teach to break all rules and go out for war whenever you feel it is right to do so?
One more thing is that if America is so loyal to people, then why is it not doing anything to stop Human rights violation in Kashmir? In Kashmir, a woman is raped by so many Hindu men in front of her husband and son. Don't you think that America should do anything about those people? Try to free them from Pakistan and India’s dominations and let them live their own lives? If America can go out for war against the wills of the people of all over the world, then it can also take steps to liberate the oppressed people of Kashmir, Palestine. Have you ever seen the Palestinian youth fighting against the armed Israeli soldiers, not with the guns, but with stones? Do you think all these things that are going on in the world are just?
In your letter, you also told me about how having a job helped you in understanding your husband better and still you haven’t started any illegal relationship with some other men.
I am sorry for that criticism. Actually, I was pointing towards the majority of women in western countries. I was watching television recently and in the news it was told that more than 50% kids that are born in North America are born out of illegal relationships. I was really shocked by the news. Muslim women are also allowed to work but by covering their heads and bodies so that nobody gets attracted to them. All their attractions and ornaments are only for their husbands. That is the only difference.
I am not asking you to accept Islam but I am just trying to clear out the misconceptions you have about Islam. You said”Islam allows a man to divorce his wife by saying "I divorce you" (talaq) three times.” Not only the man, but also the woman is allowed to divorce (khula) her husband by law if her husband drinks and does not support her family, beats her up, has illegal relationship with some other woman etc. What Islam doesn’t allow woman is to say I divorce you three times. She is given more time to go through her decision because most women are more emotional than men. They get angry quickly and make a decision very quickly. You can take examples of your mother and mother-in-law. You have more fights with your mother-in-law than your father-in-law. Your mother scolds you more than your father. This is often the case. Therefore, if Muslim women were allowed to divorce their husbands by saying “I divorce you” three times like the western women do, then the Muslim society would be like western society, where divorce is very common. Most men have more grace than woman, power to control their anger and they think more before doing something dreadful and therefore are allowed to divorce their wives by saying “I divorce you”, three times. Then why is it so that divorces are very rare in Islamic society although most of the marriages are arranged. This is because of the dreadful consequences of man’s decision of divorcing his wife. If a man divorces his wife and regrets after that because naturally he will divorce his wife in the state of anger and wants to remarry his wife, he can’t do that because his wife has to stay without marriage for four months after he divorces her to make sure that she is not pregnant with him. Then she has to marry with some other guy and spend at least one night with her new husband. If she likes the company of her new husband, then she can remain with him for as long as she wishes and her old husband can’t force her to marry him again. He has to face the consequences for what he did. If the wife wants to reunite with her old husband, then she has to divorce her new husband and can’t marry to her old husband for four months to make sure that she is not pregnant with her new husband. After the period of four months, she can marry her old husband. Did you see how long and complicated process this is? This is the reason why most Muslim men avoid divorcing their wives in the first place. There is one more consequence of the divorce. When a man divorces his wife, he has to pay an amount of money that is fixed at the time of his marriage. On the other hand, in western society, if a man divorces his wife, he can remarry her without facing any difficulties as in the case of Jean Claudde Van Damme.
Also you said “People I've known who've lived and worked in Muslim countries have said that many divorced Muslim women are reduced to beggary once their maintenance have run out and they've sold off their jewelry (oftentimes their only wealth).” This is not always the case. First of all, the husband has to pay for the children. The wife also gets the amount which was fixed during the time of marriage by mutual consent. If that amount is used up, then the wife is allowed to work somewhere but with her body covered.
You also said “Muslim men may take a second or third wife or even a fourth wife without the wife's consent.” This is totally wrong. Polygamy was allowed by Islam when during the wars, in the time of Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H, many men were killed leaving their wives to face the world all alone. To help those ladies, Islam had allowed the remaining men to marry those ladies to give them security but with the full consent of their previous wives. Also polygamy helps to prevent illegal relationships that men might develop because of their sexual needs, but still he has to get approval from their wives.
You also said “Polygamy leads to jealousy and hostility between wives”. But you have quoted by yourself that “Although the Quran (4:3) does make the qualification if the husband cannot do justice to multiple wives, he should marry only one”. One more thing that if the wife’s consent is included in the man’s second or third marriage, then why would she be hostile to other wives if the man gives her the same time, facilities as he gives to the other wives, as quoted in the Quran (4:3)
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) married Hazrat Khadija although she was fifteen years older than him and didn’t marry any other woman during her lifetime. When she died, Prophet married women when he saw that they were in a real need of a man and needed security. Then also Prophet did not have more than four wives at any time. Also he was able to do justice to all of them, that’s why none of his wives ever wanted to divorce him, which is allowed in the Islam. He had 11 wives, but never more than four at one time.
And in the end, I want to tell you that I am one of those lucky people who are born as a Muslim.
Regards,
SMW

From:  Islamic Monitor 
Date:  Sun Jul 27, 2003  11:27 am
Subject:  RE:Re: regarding:women in islam
To:  SMW
Dear SMW,
I am sorry to hear about the discrimination, taunting, and harassment that you and your family faced after September 11, 2001.   Unfortunately, one can't prevent others from saying rude things, such as those said to your brother and mother.    If, as you claim, you didn't get a job and others threw bottles at you because of hijab, you should have filed complaints with government authorities.   However, after reading how you express yourself, I question if hijab was the reason you did not get a job.  I also have to wonder at your defense of hijab so that others will respect you, given the unwelcome attentions hijab has drawn to you.
I find it rather pointless to respond to your rants about U.S. actions vis-à-vis Muslims.    Your arguments about poor, starving Afghans attacking the World Trade Center towers are so contrary to evidence, they don't deserve a reply.  Further, you are ascribing to me opinions, thoughts, and feelings that are not mine.  Rather than lecturing me and other westerners about misunderstanding the meaning of Jihad, you should be telling the likes of Usama bin Laden that they have abused the meaning of Jihad - but I know you won't.   Could it be that UBL has it right about Jihad?
I find it disturbing that you are concerned only about the welfare of Muslims, which proves my point that Islam regards non-Muslims as having lesser humanity.  Sorry, but this deeply ingrained attitude on the part of Muslims have made me hardened to the plight of Muslims where I might otherwise be compassionate.
Frankly, I had my doubts about going to war in Iraq, as Iraq was one of the more secular and modern nations in the Middle East.   I was sent literature by another reader of my web site that those who benefited the most from the toppling of Saddam were Shi'ite men - many Iraqi women are finding their personal freedoms curtailed - being forced to quit work, being forced to wear chador or abaya or other enveloping Muslim garb.
I found your argument about divorce in Islam convoluted, to say the least. You indicate that women have rights to divorce in Islam, but not the same as men, because women are more "emotional" than men (although you have shown that you are more emotional that most men - or women - I have known).  The argument that women are more "emotional" has also been used as justification why Islam considers the value of testimony of women in court to be only half of that of men.     If I were you and went to court against the two men who threw bottles at you, I would not want to be put at a disadvantage just because as a woman, the value of my testimony would be less that of a man: fortunately, our legal system is not structured that way.  
As for your justification of polygamy in the time of war, I wrote on my Islamic Monitor site:
"The imbalance of women v. men in warring cultures is an indictment of warring cultures, and moreover, of ideologies such as Islam that promote war and thereby inflict widowhood or involuntary spinsterhood or the indignities of polygyny (where the husband's attentions are spread among several wives and he cannot do justice to them all) on women."
I visited a Muslim matrimonial site, and found that there were no women willing to enter into a polygamous marriage.
The Prophet did indeed have more than four wives at a time. This is taken from Sahih Bukhari, which Muslim scholars recognize as one of the most authoritative collection of Hadith:
"Narrated Anas:

The Prophet I used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.
html (Sahih Bukahri, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6):

Lastly, criticism of U.S. government actions is one thing, but sympathy with those like UBL who want to kill Americans is another thing.  When immigrants come to settle in western countries, I have the reasonable expectation that they will adapt to their new home and make their new home and its people (regardless of faith) their first allegiance.  Since you will not do that, I suggest that you return to your family's original country or go to some other Islamic haven.
Kind regards,
Islamic Monitor

I took the high ground in responding to the SMW, although I realize that Muslims of SMW's ilk might interpret politeness as weakness.  I shared the correspondence with a friend who is a seasoned observer of the Islamic scene.  My friend sent this reply, which I include as an example that not everyone's going to stand for the ranting of this woman:  

Date:  Wed Jul 23, 2003  5:23 pm
Subject:  Re: Fwd: regarding:women in islam

I went back and read it again. The hatred and ignorance in this
letter is just so very, very typical. First of all, this [SMW]
obviously lives in the US (or another Western country) but obviously
puts her loyalty to the ummah ahead of any allegiance to the country
she lives in. The descriptions of her discrimination here are sad,
but nothing compared to the extreme violence that happens to non-
Muslims in Pakistan (which appears to be her home country.) What does
she have to say about the dozens of Christians who have been
MURDERED brutally in Pakistan by Muslim bigots, not simply harassed
on the street? No, it is apparent from her letter that only insults
and injuries directed at MUSLIMS count with this woman.

Your original correspondence with her said nothing about 9-11, but
she launches right into that as an excuse to bring up her long
laundry list of Muslim grievances against the West. Yet again, no
sign of understanding or processing any kind of criticism directed at
Islam, just launch into a diatribe at somebody else's society, as if
this was some kind of response. So very, very typical!!!

Bush gave the Taliban a month to "cough up" Osama. They chose not to.
Also, this [SMW] knows nothing about what's going on in Afghanistan now. In
the winter/spring of 2000/20001 there were constant stories about the
imminent starvation of millions of Afghans. We Westerners were
constantly being made to feel guilty and sad because the Taliban were
starving the Afghans.

Where are those millions of starving Afghans now? Are they no longer
in danger of starving to death? If so, isn't that progress toward a
better society?

Nearly 2 million Afghan refugees, some who have been refugees since
the Soviet invasion more than 20 years ago, have returned to
Afghanistan since the Taliban was overthrown. If it was so terrible
there why would so many be returning now?

This woman also says that Mo only had four wives at one time. This is
not true [See Sahih Bukhari, volume 7, book 62, especially 5&6]. 
Mo was exempt from the 4-wife limitation by special fiat
from his "Allah" who was always quick to grant Mo whatever he wanted.
Mo DID have 11 wives all at once, plus many, many concubines. And one
of them also divorced him. All of which this [SMW] seems
to not know.

I just get so sick and tired of their ranting, ranting and self-
absorbed anger trips and smug belief in their own superiority. Once
again, IF THEIR SOCIETIES ARE SO SUPERIOR TO OURS, WHAT IN HELL ARE
THEY DOING HERE?

I think you should write back, [Islamic Monitor], and invite this [SMW] to LEAVE
our terrible country and move back to the Islamic paradise in
Pakistan where women cover, there are no illegitimate children, and
she can feel free to be a DECENT Muslim slave (uh, I mean, woman)
etc.