The Way Of Truth and Love Remains
(After the time of Jesus)
 for the index click  here
 

  THE DISCIPLES
(Their limited understanding)
  SAINT FRANCIS
(Perhaps the closest to Jesus since Jesus Himself)
  MAHATMA GANDHI
and others (not necessarily nominal
   Christians yet knowing and following the
   One Way)
    MOTHER TERESA
   MARTIN LUTHER KING
and others
    john lennon
and other possible surprises
    possibly including even
 you and/or me
     and hopefully many to come

 TRIBULATION...THE RETURN OF JESUS...AND THE FELLOWSHIP OF
     THE SPIRIT

When we think of all the "important" people in history
... kings, conquerers, heroes and heroines ...
many of those who have seemed the least at the time
have BECOME the GREATEST,
while many of those who have seemed the GREATEST
have become the least.
It Has happenned ... It will Continue to happen.

There are eternal Principles which have manifested in individuals throughout history.
No human effort can keep them from continuing to manifest.
They are eternal.
As far as I can tell these Principles are strongly related, if not identical, to
     Love and Truth
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AFTER JESUS
From Jesus to the Apostles

 I feel that a lot is lost from Jesus to the Apostles.
If this is true, it should tell us something about spiritual
heritage.  Physical lineage is passed down from generation
to generation according to genetic relationships.  Spiritual
lineage is passed on from moment to moment.  It is passed on
from a vessel which is highly developed spiritually, to one
who is ready for spiritual enlightenment.

In Tibetan Buddhism, the Dalai Lamas succeed one another,
generation after generation,
yet this succession does not depend on genetics
but on a thorough search for the appropriate spiritually ready vessel.
Likewise, Catholic Popes do not pass on their authority thru their children as kings have.
In both cases I doubt that spirituality evolves in a smooth linear way.

Each Pope or Dalai Lama does not necessarily become
closer to God or Truth than their predecessor.
In both Chrisitanity and Buddhism great people crop up from time to time,
often when most needed,
and this tends to happen according to God's schedual,
not ours.

 That the spirit isn't always immediately received
is not the fault of the teacher;
it is just a fact of human nature,
of diversity ... of the freedom to be ourselves.
The disciples though physically close to Jesus
often missed what he was on about.
And while Jesus inspired a lot of love from his followers
 they were human after all
and sometimes had arguments and divisions amongst themselves
 (Acts 15:36-41).

The disciples added their own biases and concerns
to the hearing and passing on of Jesus' message.
 There is that which is lost from Jesus to the disciples.
And yet, it is probably helpful and not harmful
to have many accounts and interpretations of what Jesus
meant to various personalities. So long as the main gist of
His Way is not lost, it is good to have them presented in a
way that speaks to each of us where we are now.  Trying
to make each account agree on every point is not only
unnecessary, it is a detriment in passing on such an
important message.  The Bible is truly inspired by God, but
that doesn't mean that everything that is presented in it is
literally true.  The truth is GREATER than that.
The disciples, like ourselves, are humans with human actions and human concerns.
The Truth centers on Jesus ...
on his Way.
The utterances of others (including my own) are
sometimes helpful and sometimes not.  The important thing is
to see where the difference lies between Truth and
non-truth, and where differences are merely due to different
personalities.
 It is very helpful to keep our motives and goals
pure; discerning the Truth then becomes much easier.
 

A few Jewels from the Apostles

Stephen:
Before he was stoned, Stephen gave a wonderful continuum of truth
and how it is normally treated by human organisation and authorities
 Acts 7:1-53.
 I will include it here:
"Brothers and fathers, listen to me! The God of glory appeared to
     our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran. 3'Leave
     your country and your people,' God said, 'and go to the land I will show you.'[1]
     4"So he left the land of the Chaldeans and settled in Haran. After the death of his
     father, God sent him to this land where you are now living. 5He gave him no
     inheritance here, not even a foot of ground. But God promised him that he and his
     descendants after him would possess the land, even though at that time Abraham had
     no child. 6God spoke to him in this way: 'Your descendants will be strangers in a
     country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years.
     7But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves,' God said, 'and afterward they will
     come out of that country and worship me in this place.'[2] 8Then he gave Abraham
     the covenant of circumcision. And Abraham became the father of Isaac and
     circumcised him eight days after his birth. Later Isaac became the father of Jacob, and
     Jacob became the father of the twelve patriarchs.
     9"Because the patriarchs were jealous of Joseph, they sold him as a slave into Egypt.
     But God was with him 10and rescued him from all his troubles. He gave Joseph wisdom
     and enabled him to gain the goodwill of Pharaoh king of Egypt; so he made him ruler
     over Egypt and all his palace.
     11"Then a famine struck all Egypt and Canaan, bringing great suffering, and our fathers
     could not find food. 12When Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent our
     fathers on their first visit. 13On their second visit, Joseph told his brothers who he
     was, and Pharaoh learned about Joseph's family. 14After this, Joseph sent for his
     father Jacob and his whole family, seventy-five in all. 15Then Jacob went down to
     Egypt, where he and our fathers died. 16Their bodies were brought back to Shechem
     and placed in the tomb that Abraham had bought from the sons of Hamor at Shechem
     for a certain sum of money.
     17"As the time drew near for God to fulfill his promise to Abraham, the number of our
     people in Egypt greatly increased. 18Then another king, who knew nothing about
     Joseph, became ruler of Egypt. 19He dealt treacherously with our people and
     oppressed our forefathers by forcing them to throw out their newborn babies so that
     they would die.
     20"At that time Moses was born, and he was no ordinary child.[3] For three months he
     was cared for in his father's house. 21When he was placed outside, Pharaoh's daughter
     took him and brought him up as her own son. 22Moses was educated in all the wisdom
     of the Egyptians and was powerful in speech and action.
     23"When Moses was forty years old, he decided to visit his fellow Israelites. 24He saw
     one of them being mistreated by an Egyptian, so he went to his defense and avenged
     him by killing the Egyptian. 25Moses thought that his own people would realize that
     God was using him to rescue them, but they did not. 26The next day Moses came upon
     two Israelites who were fighting. He tried to reconcile them by saying, 'Men, you are
     brothers; why do you want to hurt each other?'
     27"But the man who was mistreating the other pushed Moses aside and said, 'Who
     made you ruler and judge over us? 28Do you want to kill me as you killed the Egyptian
     yesterday?'[4] 29When Moses heard this, he fled to Midian, where he settled as a
     foreigner and had two sons.
     30"After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning
     bush in the desert near Mount Sinai. 31When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight.
     As he went over to look more closely, he heard the Lord's voice: 32'I am the God of
     your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.'[5] Moses trembled with fear and
     did not dare to look.
     33"Then the Lord said to him, 'Take off your sandals; the place where you are standing
     is holy ground. 34I have indeed seen the oppression of my people in Egypt. I have
     heard their groaning and have come down to set them free. Now come, I will send you
     back to Egypt.'[6]
     35"This is the same Moses whom they had rejected with the words, 'Who made you
     ruler and judge?' He was sent to be their ruler and deliverer by God himself, through
     the angel who appeared to him in the bush. 36He led them out of Egypt and did
     wonders and miraculous signs in Egypt, at the Red Sea[7] and for forty years in the
     desert.
     37"This is that Moses who told the Israelites, 'God will send you a prophet like me from
     your own people.'[8] 38He was in the assembly in the desert, with the angel who
     spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers; and he received living words to
     pass on to us.
     39"But our fathers refused to obey him. Instead, they rejected him and in their hearts
     turned back to Egypt. 40They told Aaron, 'Make us gods who will go before us. As for
     this fellow Moses who led us out of Egypt--we don't know what has happened to
     him!'[9] 41That was the time they made an idol in the form of a calf. They brought
     sacrifices to it and held a celebration in honor of what their hands had made. 42But
     God turned away and gave them over to the worship of the heavenly bodies. This
     agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets:
        " 'Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
            forty years in the desert, O house of Israel?
         43You have lifted up the shrine of Molech
            and the star of your god Rephan,
            the idols you made to worship.
        Therefore I will send you into exile'[10] beyond Babylon.
     44"Our forefathers had the tabernacle of the Testimony with them in the desert. It had
     been made as God directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen. 45Having
     received the tabernacle, our fathers under Joshua brought it with them when they took
     the land from the nations God drove out before them. It remained in the land until the
     time of David, 46who enjoyed God's favor and asked that he might provide a dwelling
     place for the God of Jacob.[11] 47But it was Solomon who built the house for him.
     48"However, the Most High does not live in houses made by men. As the prophet says:

         49" 'Heaven is my throne,
            and the earth is my footstool.
        What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord.
            Or where will my resting place be?
         50Has not my hand made all these things?'[12]
     51"You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your
     fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit! 52Was there ever a prophet your fathers did
     not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One.
     And now you have betrayed and murdered him-- 53you who have received the law
     that was put into effect through angels but have not obeyed it."

 Also from Stephen (much like Jesus' own statement):
"Lord, do not remember this sin against them!" (v. 60)
 

Doing away with prejudice:
Jesus made the despicable samaritan the
 hero of one of his parables, teaching acceptance
And while He was rough on the Sadducees and the Pharisees,
God chose a pharisee to be one of his greatest apostles (Paul).
Prejudice is not acceptable in Heaven.

 "...whenever  of their own free will they [the
 gentiles] do what the Law commands, they are a law to
 themselves..."1  Does this verse not pertain to
 Bhuddists and even atheists as well?!!

LOVE
 Though I have all else and have not Love, I have
nothing. Love is patient and kind, not jealous or conceited,
proud or ill mannered, selfish or irritable.  Love doesn't
keep a record of wrongs but rejoices in the truth.
 Love never gives up: Its faith, hope, and patience
never fail.  Love is eternal.  All else, including
inspiration, prophesy, and knowledge, will cease.  When the
perfect comes, that which is partial will disappear.
 Three things abide: faith, hope, and love, and the
greatest of these is love. (shortened version of I Cor. 13)

James
I think this is a great book.  James' and my biases
are similar.  He focuses (as does Jesus) on works, and is
strong in defending the poor and warning the rich.

I John
I like I John too, though it caused me some
difficulties.  I really like his "God is Love"2.  He
sandwiches into his love of Love many statements about
believing in Jesus.  This caused me trouble at first.  I
think this is because of the many nominal Christians who
claim they love Jesus yet treat their neighbours horribly.
This no longer bothers me as I can more easily see people's
faith by their fruits, and the real Jesus comes shining
through.
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SAINT FRANCIS
 It seems funny to me that we can be so physically close
to perfection as the disciples were to Jesus, and yet not be
as affected by it as much as someone who lives many centuries later.
But this is one of the wonders of God.  I think St. Francis
was such a man.  The reason he was so affected was that he
was properly prepared for the transition.  He lived 100%
what he believed.  He gave 100% and therefore was able to
become 100% of his ability.
 St. Francis loved animals, the poor, children,
and thus understood the subtle beauties
and powers of the universe.
He lived, many of us feel, much like Jesus did.

 At one point, St. Francis is said to have read the
scripture which states, "Take no gold, silver, or copper in
your belts, no pack for the road, no second coat, no
sandals, no stick; the worker deserves his keep."3, and is
reported to have immediately thrown off all these things and
remained devoted to poverty the rest of his life.  How I
admire the Love and simplicity of St. Francis.
For a brief biography on St. Fracis click see:
http://www.travel.it/relig/saints/francis.htm

MAHATMA GANDHI
 So very much like Jesus, and St. Francis in his total
devotion to the spiritual path, Gandhi is often acclaimed as
the Greatest Christian of the twentieth century.  The funny
thing is, he was never a member of a Christian church, and
only claimed Christianity as one of many faiths he ascribed
to.  Gandhi mixed politics with religion, seeking a free,
non-violent India.  He was ever ready to give his life for
the oppressed, or even his enemies.
A Gandhi link

MOTHER TERESA
 Again, who does Mother Teresa remind you of?  Is it not
Jesus, himself, and St. Francis.  She gives Mahatma Gandhi a
good run for best Christian in our century, though neither
would wish to be admired more than the other.  They are like
sister and brother.  Both focusing on the needy.  Both
focusing on the spiritual.
more on Mother Teresa
 

MARTIN LUTHER KING
 Among the greatest, of the best known people of our
century, Martin Luther King might be the best American.  He
seemed too much of the establishment for my taste, but that
seems to be what it takes to get one into power these days,
especially in the Western World.  Had he still been alive he
might have made a fine U.S. president.
His courage was incredible.
His compassion ... infinite.
His faith, inspiring.
Brief biography of Dr. King
 

John Lennon (harder to believe?)
 Many will laugh, along with me, when I add John Lennon
to the list above.  He certainly had no claim of organised
religion.  His connection with absolute truth is even harder to see.
 His dedication to a better world and his courage in
speaking out, considering that he was a famous personality,
is what does it.  He was a world famous entertainer, and
didn't need to be an activist.  The need of his time was to
stop the stampede of the economic-military establishment, in
the guise of the Viet-Nam War.  No one person stopped that
war, but John's courage to take a strong stand helped a lot.
He and his words were great comfort to me and to many in our
struggle to maintain our beliefs in those dark days.  My
hat's eternally off to John.  "How can I go foreward when I
don't know which way I'm facing?"  "Love is the Answer!"
We know that for sure.
John's biography

You and/or I (even harder to believe)
 Here is where we move from the well known to the
relatively unknown.  I believe that you and I have the
potential for doing things which are not as possible for
those in higher profile.  In order to rise to important
positions of influence, certain ways must be maintained.
Even Jesus resorted to trick answers to trick questions
which might have otherwise brought his influence down (see
"The Taxes Trap" [Matt. 17:24-27]; also the story of
Herod's inquirey while Jesus was on the road).
Those who work behind the scenes,
maintaining a certain purity, have other fruits to offer.
It is possible that those who have done the most for you or
I are people who we would never recall as having done so:  a
servant, a stranger, an "enemy".  We don't need to be famous
to be of great help.
 

more to come...  "I hope some day you will join us"
 

It naturally follows that since the Essence is eternal,
there will be many in the future which will relate to it.
There may come a time when it becomes impossible to find
Truth, but this is when God or Nature will step in and say
"Enough".  The illusion will pass, leaving the Eternal.

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End Time Prophecy

Last days, according to Jesus (Matt. 24)  }

Jesus says three things to me in this chapter about the end times:
First, that things will get worse, like a woman in labour, before they get better.
Smooth evolution is not prophesied here.
Then, that many will be deceived by false prophets and false messiahs.
How many of these have appeared already.
and finally that no one will be able to predict the day or the hour.

Perhaps the final battle ... the end ... comes to each of us individually
as well as on a world scale.

  end time parables (Matt. 24-25)

The ten virgins ...
says to me that we need to have plenty of faith and
be living lives that are more than just passable, ethically.
There will be times when we will need the extra strength
and "just passable" questions our true motives and values.

The talents  ...
has a similar message.  We need to use our abilities
(our true resources)
or we will lose them.
In using them, they will multiply.

    The sheep and goats   (Matt. 25:31-46)
What distinguishes those who are doing God's will
is not so much what we do for God directly
but how we treat each other (His/Her creation)

Revelation, the end of man's world.

Revelation is one of the more unusual books of the Bible.  It's impossible to take it literally as even the text speaks of what certain images mean.  But it does help to let us know that there are more things involved in history than mere human endeavors ... there is a big scheme of things.  Big changes occur.  Almost everything that we are familiar with ends.
We, ourselves, will die.

Love and Truth remain supreme ...  they last.
 

The following is fairly scetchy as I haven't spent much time studying Revelation.
I think ethics is a much more worthwhile study.
Those who would take for themselves as much as they can from this present world
and then change in the nick of time are very likely to be in for
a very unpleasant long lasting surprise.
 

The letters to the churches (Rev. 2-3):
remind me of the Dalai Lama's words that it is good to have many religions
because there are many personalities and so there is a religion
which is best suited for each personality.
So long as they bring us to Love and Truth
I can accept this.

Chapter 5:  Only Jesus is worthy to open the scrolls
(to begin the wheels that bring ultimate justice).
Chapter 6:  The white horse, in my opinion, does not carry
Jesus, as others believe.  It carries the anti-christ.
Today (in the year 2000) it seems most like
 the spirit of consumerism, though I wouldn't be surprised
if a human being came to fully incarnate this foolish destructive spirit.
After all, Love was fully embodied in Jesus,
why not its opposite embodied by someone else?

    The oil in the third seal reminds me of how
everyone values petroleum these days.

  The 1/4 of the earth might mean 1.2 billion
people die, or it could mean much death in 1/4 of the earth
geographically.  I don't know.

    The white robes in the fifth seal refer to goodworks.
    The sixth seal, the sixth trumpet, and the sixth bowl
all bring in earthquakes and great destruction.

Chapter 7:  The 144,000 are probably Jewish and not
necessarily a literal number.
    The great uncountable crowd "from every nation,
tribe, people, and language" is probably still a minority of
the people who ever existed.4  This crowd may include
other-worldly beings like angels, as well.  At best, it
may allude to the possibility of everyone eventually making
it to heaven (though this seems unbiblical).

Chapter 8:  The U.S. is not obvious in Revelation.  Some
people think it will be the large flaming mountain, thrown
into the sea (they believe Russia will destroy the U.S.).  I
think this is still possible even given Russia's weak
position politically and economically (they still have a
strong military--the worlds second strongest, I believe).

Chapter 9:  The fifth trumpet reminds me of Iraq.
    The 200,000,000 troops from the east were
unthinkable until last century.
China, alone, now has this much.

Chapter 10: The little scroll could be prophecy of doom,
which seems sweet in the mouth to those seeking vengeance,
but as its actual fulfilment comes about becomes hard for the compassionate
to stomach.

Chapter 11: The two witnesses are probably two actual people
(though spiritually "the law and the prophets" fits well).

Chapter 12: This seems to be a flash back to Jesus' birth
and his family fleeing the worldly rulers of the day.  It
seems to continue up to the end days, however.
        The battle in heaven has always been interesting to me.
I don't believe god's people fight in the normal way.
"Our brothers won the victory over him by the blood of
the Lamb, and by the truth which they proclaimed; and they
were willing to give up their lives and die."
There's nothing here about them killing others.
Their actions elevated them in heaven,
while those of Satan lowered him to more beast-like states.

Chapter 13: The identity of the two beasts in today's world
is not certain, but these will be/are obviously the embodiments of
the anti-christ and the false prophet.

    No one being able to buy or sell without the
mark of the beast is another condemnation of our economic
system, in my opinion.  It is certainly a method used today
against those who would rebel against the current world
rulers.

The Great Religious Economic Prostitute:
 She is also a city (Ch.17 v.18), and is to be destroyed
by the political system that rides in on her.  Is she Rome?
the new Rome?
A key to the Babylonian religion:
 "...she gave her wine to all peoples...the strong wine
of her immoral lust."  (ch.18 v.3)

Chapters 21 & 22:
 It is hard to describe Heaven.  It is better than we  can imagine, and
it dwells within.
It is here and now, and
it is there and then.

the end
(of man's world)
and
The Beginning
(of GOD's)
 
 

Thy Kingdom Come
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Footnotes:
1 Romans 2:14
2 I John 4:8
3  Matt. 10:9-10
4 Matt. 7:13-14

According to folks after Jesus:

Jewels from the Apostles
Love (ICor.13)
Enemies, Having no
James
John
St. Francis
Living Buddha Living Christ
Mahatma Gandhi
Meditation
Miracles
Mother Teresa
Martin Luther King
john lennon
you & me
Revelation
 
 

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Here's some links you might want to check out.

The Christian Science Monitor

 
 
 
 
 

International (on line) Bible
Jubilee 2000
The Greater Reality "Game"
Agape (Spiritual) Meditation
The Greatest Thing in the World (H. Drummond)

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