Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:36:13 -0700 From: gunnut@AZTEC.ASU.EDU (GENE HANSON) Subject: Is Carlos Alvarez lying about his International Drivers License? To: AZRKBA@asu.edu
Is Carlos Alvarez lying about his International Drivers License? They don't exist in the form he claims they do.
There are several treatys that International Drivers Licenses are issued under (generally U.N. treatys). And in all cases a International Drivers License is issued in conjuction with your home countries drivers licenses and a International Drivers License must be presented with your local drivers license to be valid.
Any smuck in the USA (including Carlos ) can go to AAA yes thats the American Automotive Association and shell out $10 to get a International Drivers License. (I beleive in most of the Spanish speaking countries they are issues by PAN? which is Spanish for something like Panamerican Automobil Association I may have screwed up the acroname but basily it the AAA of the countries south of the border).
The only requirement that AAA ask's is that you have a valid US Drivers License and have 2 photos and $10.
After taking your money and photos AAA will paste one of the photos on your International Drivers License, write in your name and address BY HAND on the International Drivers License, and last stamp the picture with a AAA stamp to make it a little hard to remove the photo.
The International Drivers license is about 10 pages long with each page being written in a different language.
The English page clearly says the International Drivers License is
1) NOT valid in your HOME COUNTRY
2) valid ONLY with your HOME COUNTRYS drivers license
Now if Carlos is lying about the International Drivers License the next question is he lying about the other stuff too? Foreign plates, insuranse?
In 1999 Carlos was bragging about when he was stopped by the Border Patrol at the Tucson Walmart on Valencia & I-10. He said he took his license plate off his car so the BP could not run his plates thru their computer and drove off. Any body still have a copy of that e-mail. In that case he didn't brag he had foreign plates the BP could not trace.
Carlos Alvarez's letter follows:
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:12:33 -0700 From: carlos@THERIVER.COM ("Carlos A. Alvarez") Subject: Re: The strategy of strawmen To: AZRKBA@asu.edu
At 10:28 PM 4/7/00, Don Cline said something to the effect of: >I don't doubt that he has insurance through Progressive. I seriously
>doubt
>they are knowingly insuring him for liability insurance if he has no
>drivers' license. If he thinks they are, it is his responsibility to call
The form asked "International Driver's Permit Y/N", and I selected "Yes". My broker made a copy of it and sent it with the paperwork. When I look on the web site, which allows access to your policy, it shows that I am being rated for not having a US license (which costs me a few dollars more; what price freedom?). Now, where is the room for oubt??
>Progressive and do some research before he injures someone and leaves them
>holding the bag. That's what "being responsible" means.
>No one said he was. I said he is not licensed to drive in Arizona on an
>international permit or license. If he is not licensed, he is not
>insured.
You are so sure of yourself on that. Why?
> > Carlos, you've been stopped and even informed the cop that you had an
> out
>of
> > country DL. Yet you are still quite mobile. How *do* you do it?
>
>Yes, Carlos. Inquiring minds want to know.
Never been a problem. Well, once I did get a "failure to obtain AZ license" because the cop "wasn't sure" if I should have, and said we'd just let the court figure it out. In other words, he signed a sworn complaint against me for a "crime" he didn't even know if I'd committed. I mailed in a copy of the permit, they sent back a dismissal by mail with a judge's signature.
The foreign plates have never been a problem either. Altogether, I think I'm less likely to get a citation to begin with, since the cops know that I could just ignore it and there's nothing they can do about it.
>it came up only because Carlos was bragging about how he told off some law
Sir, I do no bragging. If others feel I am, I'll say no more when I stand up for my rights. I relate something like that only so others can see what is happening to our country, and so others can see that they can stand up for their rights also without ending up in serious trouble.
>lethal machine at public risk; 2. A signature recognizing the power of
>the
>State to sanction you for dangerous driving habits;
Good point. I do not recognize the power of the state to control my travel. They already have the power to control "dangerous driving habits" since dangerous driving (recklessness) falls under criminal statutes not civil infractions (a matter of contract).
-- Carlos Alvarez, Tucson, AZ, USA, Earth, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy http://www.neta.com/~carlos
I heard that they were going to put Clinton on Mount Rushmore, but there wasn't enough room for two faces... .. "there's too much personal freedom." Bill Clinton 1994