Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:35:42 -0000 From: auvenj@mailcity.com Subject: [lpaz-govcom] Re: J. Auvenshine Affair To: lpaz-govcom@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: lpaz-govcom@yahoogroups.com
Bob,
Now I'm confused. There IS one group of people (the registerd LBTs), one filing number (ALP's), and one ballot access that is of consequence here. The fight is about who will control and what bylaws will apply. ALP, Inc. was formed as part of an effort to obtain that control. The court has so far ruled that they failed to do so at the '99 ALP convention, which to me means that ALP, Inc. is still just a "shell" organization trying to take over the ALP by any means necessary.
Maybe this is a case of my just being too inundated by the mindset down here. But how is this fight NOT really just an internal dispute that one side (the ALP, Inc. side) chose to initiate and drag into court? Certainly, it isn't just about "who" will control, it's also about "which bylaws" will control. But given that, it's still a dispute among registered Libertarians over who/what is the "real" party that represents them. It's not like ALP, Inc. formed, registered a bunch of voters on their own, ran a bunch of candidates, then one day woke up and said "We're tired of the competition from the ALP. Let's take them over." It seems to me that it has always been an attempt by certain members to take over the existing organization rather than build one from scratch.
Please clarify...I feel like I might be missing something important here.
--Jason Auvenshine
--- In lpaz-govcom@y..., "Robert Anderson" <randerson22@h...> wrote: >
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>
> > If that is truly the motivation then the bylaw was horribly
worded! > > I could just be an ALP member (on neither organization's board)
and > > sue ALP.
>
> True But there would be no melding of the two groups. We were
trying to > prevent the suit from being classified as just a internal
disagreement with > one of the two groups claiming that there was only one group and
the fight > was over who was in control. Sound familiar.
>
>
> > I could be on ALP's board but not ALP, Inc.'s board, and
> > sue ALP. Both of those would end up with just what you're trying
to > > prevent, without triggering the bylaw.
>
> Same as above
>
> OTOH you have my situation
> > where I'm actively trying to PREVENT suits against ALP, but I've
> > triggered it.
>
> You personally may be trying to prevent this but your position is
setting up > the very idea that there is only one group and that this is over
who is in > control of it. And that's not the case and just the thing the bylaw
was > written to prevent.
>
>
> > My contention is that (assuming Meyers' ruling is upheld):
> > ALP, Inc. is really NOT even a political party.
>
> We can call it anything we want. What counts is what does the State
call > them. Because it's the State that we keep getting dragged in front
of by > this other group And so far the State is calling them separate
>
>
> > So, ALP, Inc. just doesn't qualify as a
> > political party in my book,
>
> Or mine, But on this question we are not the ones making the call
>
> > Now correct me if I'm wrong, but is this not the view you've
really > > been fighting for? As I read Meyers, he doesn't say that ALP,
Inc. > > IS a political party. He merely says "There is nothing that would
> > prohibit two parties with the same or similar name". He doesn't
say > > WHAT ALP, Inc. is; he merely says they are NOT the ALP.
>
>
> When he say's two parties what do you think he's saying? ALP is one
party > and when you say two, someone must be the other one. And yes he did
say they > are not ALP.
>
>
> Bob
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