Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:31:39 -0500 From: steve@trinwords.com (Steve Trinward) Subject: Re: [lpaz-discuss] LP national press release To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
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John - I'm right with you, up to a point ... (below)
John Wilde wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Before you defend the indefensible, you should get your facts
> straight. You continue to conveniently forget that the LNC
> disaffiliated the ALP in August of 1999 and then chose to affiliate
> with Peter Schmerle and ALP Inc. that November/December of 1999. So
> at the time the National Convention choose Harry Browne in 2000 as
> the candidate, the ALP was not the affilliate and was under no
> obligations to abide by the LNC's choice. The LNC knew that the ALP
> was not affilliated and had no reason to believe that ALP was
> affilliated.
Correct so far ...
> What the LNC counted its chickens on was Peter Schmerle's promises
> that he would deliver control of the Arizona Libertarian Party to
> the LNC and would deliver control of the ballot status.
> Unfortunately for Peter and the LNC, the Arizona Court's saw through
> Peter's deceptions and found that the current officers were the
> leaders of the ALP and not Peter and Co.
You are speaking once again of the OLD LNC ... there is a difference ...
> So as usual the LNC/LPUS's press release
Press release was NOT the work of LN, but of Dasbach and LPHQ - Important distinction there ...
> was full of half truths and evasions and shows that the LNC
NOPE - LPHQ ... which LNC needs to rein in!
> is not yet willing to accept reality of the situation. Given the
> stupidy and the recent allegations of criminal activity by certain
> members of LNC over the past few years, it is no wonder.
Unnecessarily inflammatory, John! Charging the "LNC" (as if it were a static body, which at least now it appears it will not be ...?) with this guilt-trip is both unfair and counter to the interests of any of us ... If you have indeed "walked away" you have no reason to keep sniping at the group; if you still hold out any hope of forming a down-the-road alliance with those still in the LP (notice I didn't say 'affiliation'? I don't even expect that anymore ...), taking such inane and silly potshots will NOT help!
- Steve
> g'day
> John Wilde
>
> Richard Winger wrote:
>
> > I want to defend the national LP press release about the history
> of what
> > happened in Arizona in 2000 concerning the presidential race.
> What happened
> > in Arizona in 2000 was similar to what happened to the Democratic
> Party in
> > Alabama in 1964 and in 1968. The Democratic national convention
> those years
> > didn't seat the delegates from Alabama. So the Democratic Party
> of Alabama
> > refused to list the presidential candidate chosen by the national
> > convention. LBJ wasn't on the ballot at all in Alabama in
> November 1964,
> > and in November 1968, Hubert Humphrey only appeared as a minor
> party nominee
> > in Alabama. And the press all reported this, in very similar
> terms to how
> > the LP national office reported what happened in Arizona. It is
> indisputed
> > that the national convention of the Libertarian Party chose Harry
> Browne.
> > Therefore, any state unit of the Libertarian Party which didn't
> list Browne,
> > "splintered" from the national party's choice. Furthermore,
> delegates from
> > the LP of Arizona did attend the Anaheim convention ad were
> seated from
> > states like Pennsylvania.
> >
> > It's traditional in this country that all the state units of a
> national
> > party, respect the choice of the national convention, as to the
> presidential
> > candidate. It's just common language, common ways of describing
> things, to
> > use "splinter" for those rare occasions when the national choice
> for
> > president is rejected by a state party.
> >
> > The Arizona LP chose L. Neil Smith tentatively on August 6, 2000.
> The
> > Arizona LP didn't turn in his name to the Secretary of State until
> the
> > deadline, September 6, to give the national committee a chance to
> recognize
> > itsstate officers. If the national LP had recognized the state
> officers,
> > Browne would have been listed instead. So, at the time the Az LP
> chose
> > Smith tentatively, it still considered itself affiliated with the
> national
> > LP.
> >
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