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"ON PROVERBS 8:22-25"

The so-called Jehovah Witnesses, and others who seek to disprove the Deity of Christ Jesus, often refer to Proverbs 8:22, to supposedly show that God The Father "CREATED" God The Son. Thus, they make Christ Jesus to be a lesser God than He who supposedly "created" Him, as follows:

Prov 8:22-25 (As it correctly appears in The King James Version, et, al);
"THE LORD POSSESSED ME IN THE BEGINNING OF HIS WAY, BEFORE HIS WORKS OF OLD. I WAS SET UP FROM EVERLASTING, FROM THE BEGINNING, OR EVER THE EARTH WAS. WHEN THERE WERE NO DEPTHS, I WAS BROUGHT FORTH; WHEN THERE WERE NO FOUNTAINS ABOUNDING WITH WATER. BEFORE THE MOUNTAINS WERE SETTLED, BEFORE THE HILLS WAS I BROUGHT FORTH:"

And the foregoing verses (incorrectly) appear in The J.W.s' New World Translation! :
Prov 8:22-25 "JEHOVAH HIMSELF PRODUCED ME (i.e., CREATED ME), AS THE BEGINNING OF HIS WAY, THE EARLIEST OF HIS ACHIEVEMENTS OF LONG AGO. FROM TIME INDEFINITE I WAS INSTALLED, FROM THE START, FROM TIMES EARLIER THAN THE EARTH. WHEN THERE WERE NO WATERY DEEPS I WAS BROUGHT FORTH AS WITH LABOR PAINS, WHEN THERE WERE NO SPRINGS HEAVILY CHARGED WITH WATER. BEFORE THE MOUNTAINS THEMSELVES HAD BEEN SETTLED DOWN, AHEAD OF THE HILLS, I WAS BROUGHT FORTH, AS WITH LABOUR PAINS, WHEN AS YET HE HAD NOT MADE THE EARTH AND THE OPEN SPACES AND THE FIRST PART OF THE DUST MASSES OF THE PRODUCTIVE LAND."

Note: In the verse in question, Prov 8:22, the Hebrew word "KANAH" is used. It is correctly translated as "POSSESSED" in the K.J.V., et al.; and is not the Hebrew word "EKTISE", which is (incorrectly) translated as "PRODUCED", or as "CREATED", in The J.W.'s New World Translation (?), and as derived by them from the ancient Septuagint and Syriac Versions.

How is one to know which version is "the right version", in this particular case?

This may be readily resolved, by doing as the Apostle Paul prescribed in 1 Cor 2:13, i.e. "BY COMPARING SPIRITUAL WITH SPIRITUAL"--BY PERMITTING THE WORD OF GOD TO PROPERLY TRANSLATE THE WORD OF GOD. Why so? 2 Pet 1:2O "FOR NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY (personal) PRIVATE INTERPRETATION"--or--1 Cor 1:22 "FOR GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION".

Any scriptural word, verse, chapter, or book, taken out of it's scriptural context, or taken out of it's proper dispensational setting, may be either ignorantly or maliciously altered, so as to appear to prove any unscriptural point! The reverse of course is equally true. Examined in it's full scriptural setting, and in it's proper dispensational setting, every word, verse, chapter, and book of Holy Writ can only say the same thing to all who would "RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH"; e.g. 2 Tim 2:15.

Taken in full scriptural context, the entire chapter of Prov Ch 8 refers to The Divine Wisdom of Jehovah God; as Personified by Christ-God, 2nd Person, Holy Trinity; i.e., as He is also described in John 17:5.

Or as it so plainly states in 1 Cor 1:24--"CHRIST, THE POWER OF GOD, AND THE WISDOM OF GOD".

The J.W.'s would have Prov Ch 8 to mean that God The Father had no "WISDOM" until He "CREATED" the Son; or until He "SET HIM UP"; or until He "BROUGHT HIM FORTH", or "INSTALLED HIM"; or "PRODUCED HIM"; or "BROUGHT HIM FORTH WITH LABOUR PANGS". Ridiculous, in it's final analysis, to say the least. And a totally blasphemous doctrinal position, to say the most.

"THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER"

In this and other related verses, the J.W's continue to imply that since Christ Jesus (or God, the Son) was "BEGOTTEN" by God The Father, this would suggest that God The Father must have actually sired Christ Jesus, by having actually impregnated someone! (Not unlike the Mormons' also blasphemous suggestion that Christ Jesus was sired in some previous celestial world by one of their numerous gods, having impregnated some previous celestial goddess!)

But as we shall now discover, the term "BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER" of John 1:14 simply refers to Christ Jesus as being "THE FIRSTFRUIT OF THE RESURRECTED DEAD", as plainly so stated in the following verses:

Col 1:15-18 "15: WHO IS THE IMAGE (Gr En Morphe, Eternal, Glorious, Visible Form) OF THE INVISIBLE GOD (The Fathera), THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE: FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED, THAT ARE IN HEAVEN, AND THAT ARE IN EARTH (e.g. John 1:3, 1O), VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THEY BE THRONES, OR DOMINIONS, OR PRINCIPALITIES, OR POWERS: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM: AND HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS (i.e., The "Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" of Rev 1:17; Rev 22:13; compare Isaiah 41:4; Isa 44:6, which is something that could only be said of Almighty God), AND BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST. AND HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CURHCH, WHO IS THE BEGINNING, THE FIRSTBORN (Gr Prototokus) FROM (i.e. Gr Ek THE FIRST OUT FROM AMONG) THE DEAD; THAT IN ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE PREEMINENCE."

God, The Father is thus said to have "BEGOTTEN" Christ Jesus, in that He made Christ Jesus to be "THE FIRSTFRUIT" OF ALL RESURRECTED ONES, CALLED "OUT FROM AMONG" THE DEAD. So states Col 1:15-18 above, in context.

In Rev 3:14, it states: "THESE THINGS SAITH THE AMEN, THE FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;"

In this verse, the Gr word for "BEGINNING", is Arche, from which we derive the Anglo Saxon word Architect. In other words, this verse is simply stating that Christ Jesus was "THE ARCHITECT, AND THE BEGINNER OF THE CREATION OF GOD".

This, then, would be in perfect agreement with John 1:3, 10, and all other equally related verses. Once again, the false teachings of the J.W.'s, et al--in trying to make the above verse mean that God The Father, "BEGAN" His creative acts by first "BEGINNING THE CREATION OF CHRIST JESUS"--has no basis in scriptural fact.

It is also said of Melchizedec (who, as we shall see, was Christ in earthly angelic form, e.g. Gen 14:17-2O), in Heb. 7:1-3:

"FOR THIS MELCHISEDEC, KING OF SALEM, PRIEST OF THE MOST HIGH GOD, WHO MET ABRAHAM RETURNING FROM THE SLAUGHTER OF THE KINGS, AND BLESSED HIM; TO WHOM ALSO ABRAHAM GAVE A TENTH PART OF ALL; FIRST BEING BY INTERPRETATION KING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND AFTER THAT ALSO KING OF SALEM, WHICH IS, KING OF PEACE; WITHOUT FATHER, WITHOUT MOTHER, WITHOUT DESCENT (no human parents), HAVING NEITHER BEGINNING OF DAYS, NOR END OF LIFE; BUT MADE LIKE UNTO THE SON OF GOD; ABIDETH A PRIEST CONTINUALLY.

And continuing in Hebrews 7,verses 6-8 -

BUT HE WHOSE DESCENT (i.e., genealogy) IS NOT COUNTED FROM THEM (i.e., the Levites, in context) RECEIVED TITHES OF ABRAHAM, AND BLESSED HIM THAT HAD THE PROMISES. AND WITHOUT ALL CONTRADICTION THE LESS IS BLESSED OF THE BETTER. AND HERE MEN THAT DIE RECEIVE TITHES; BUT THERE HE RECEIVETH THEM, OF WHOM IT IS WITNESSED THAT HE LIVETH (i.e., for ever, vs 4)".

Note: The Divine Titles above, along with a lack of any form or degree of human genealogy, as well as His Eternal Existence, could only apply to God, The Son; Who Was, is, and ever will be, Melchisedec, "PRIEST OF THE MOST HIGH GOD", as shown by the remaining verses of Heb Ch 7.

The moment that a human (dirt-man), dies, his body immediately begins the "decaying process" that returns it to it's original form of dust, or dirt, Gen 3:19.

That the body of Christ Jesus did not consist of any form or degree of such humanity (or dirt-manity) is plainly set forth in the following verses:

Acts 2:26-31 "26: THEREFORE DID MY HEART REJOICE, AND MY TONGUE WAS GLAD; MOREOVER ALSO MY FLESH SHALL REST IN HOPE: BECAUSE THOU WILT NOT LEAVE MY SOUL IN HELL, NEITHER WILT THOU SUFFER THINE HOLY ONE TO SEE CORRUPTION. THOU HAST MADE KNOWN TO ME THE WAYS OF LIFE; THOU SHALT MAKE ME FULL OF JOY WITH THY COUNTENANCE. MEN AND BRETHREN, LET ME FREELY SPEAK UNTO YOU OF THE PATRIARCH DAVID, THAT HE IS BOTH DEAD AND BURIED, AND HIS SEPULCHRE IS WITH US UNTO THIS DAY. THEREFORE BEING A PROPHET, AND KNOWING THAT GOD HAD SWORN WITH AN OATH TO HIM, THAT OF THE FRUIT OF HIS LOINS, ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, HE WOULD RAISE UP CHRIST TO SIT ON HIS THRONE; HE SEEING THIS BEFORE SPAKE OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST, THAT HIS SOUL WAS NOT LEFT IN HELL, NEITHER HIS FLESH DID SEE CORRUPTION."

There it is! The Divine, Perfect Body of Christ Jesus "SAW NO CORRUPTION", For the three days and three nights that He spent in Sheol, following His execution at Calvary. The Body of Christ that went into the grave was the same undecayed Body with which He came out of the grave! Something that could never be said of any human (dirt-man) body!

That Christ Jesus did not die, in the manner which any and all human (dirt-men) die, is again stated in John 1O:17, 18 :

"…I LAY DOWN MY LIFE, THAT I MIGHT TAKE IT AGAIN. NO MAN TAKETH IT FROM ME, BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF. I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN, AND I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN…". No human (dirt-man) being could ever make such a valid claim!

But as it is said of all humans (dirt-men), in Eccl 8:8, "THERE IS NO MAN (i.e. no human) THAT HATH POWER OVER THE SPIRIT TO RETAIN THE SPIRIT; NEITHER HATH HE POWER IN THE DAY OF DEATH…". So, here is yet another infallible proof that Christ Jesus never took upon Himself any form, or any degree, of dirt-manity!

No hu-man being could so choose to live, or to die, of their own free will, as did Christ Jesus, in John 10:17, 18 above.

The Divine Body of Christ Jesus could, and did, "WALK ON WATER", Matt 14:25.
The Divine Body of Christ Jesus could, and did, pass through closed doors, John 20:19.
The Divine Body of Christ Jesus was "LIFE ITSELF", John 1:4.
The Divine Body of Christ Jesus Ascended to Heaven, thereby defying the law of gravity, Acts 1:8-11.

That Christ's Blood was totally unlike that of any human, dirt-man's blood, is so stated in the following verses:

1 Pet 1:18, 19 - "FORASMUCH AS YE KNOW THAT YE WERE NOT REDEEMED WITH CORRUPTIBLE THINGS, AS SILVER AND GOLD … BUT WITH THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS OF A LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH AND WITHOUT SPOT:" This is something that could never be said of the corruptible blood of any human, dirt-man!

That Christ's Divine Blood was indeed The Divine Blood of God Himself, is also plainly stated in the following verse:

Acts 2O:28 "…THE CHURCH OF GOD, WHICH HE HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD."

No human being could ever be said to have The Blood of God! The Perfect, Unblemished, Spotless, Precious, Divine Blood of Immanuel, God With Us, was worthy to pay the full price for (all past), (all present), and (all future) sins committed by the entire human, dirt-man race--1 John 1:7. Again, this is something which could never be said of the blood of any hu-man, dirt-man, being!

Wellington

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