Flame Number One: You really wanna know what I think? HILDI IS THE UGLIEST GIRL ON GUNDAM WING AND DUO'S BETTER OFF WITH HEERO THAN THAT UGLY SLUT! HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! HILDIE IS A FREAK!! SO IS CATHERINE, BUT I KILLED HER ALONG WITH MY PARTNER MIHOSHI, SO NYAH!!!
Kiyone Barton (she listed her e-mail address as: nyah nyah CAN'T touch this!!)
My personal comments on this flame: Ok, did anyone besides me notice the extreme immaturity of this flame? Especially what she listed her e-mail address as. I mean, who really quotes M.C. Hammer these days? Also, the use of capitalization on nearly every word shows that she desparately wanted to make me angry or get on my nerves. She succeded, but not because of what she said, but because of the sheer stupidity that was laced within it.
My response to this flame: It will be listed below because as I said, the first two flames run together and I responded to both at the same time.
Flame Number Two: Kiyone killed Catherine, I saw the whole thing, but I'm not supposed to tell anyone. Trowa kicked her dead corpse a couple times and so did I!! I want Hildie dead too! She's very ugly. Not like Kiyone though!
Mihoshi (her e-mail address was listed as: what's that?)
My personal comments on this flame: This person doesn't seem to realize that Catherine is an animated character. That's all.
My response to this flame: First of all, let me give both of you a tiny little dose of reality (if you can handle it): YOU CANNOT KILL FICTIONAL CHARACTERS! They're not real, so killing them is impossible. Next, you may think Hilde is ugly, that's your opinion, but hating her for that reason is very shallow and narrow-minded of you. Thanks for showing everyone how materialistic you are. You may also think Duo goes better with Heero. That's also your opinion. My opinion of it is listed in the section called: "My Arguments Against Reasons They're Not A Good Couple". I respect your opinion, but I do not like the way you write it. It sounds offensive and crude. Thanks for sharing your opinion and giving me my first flame to add to the "Flamers and My Responses" section (which will be created shortly).
P.S. I strongly doubt that Trowa would kick the dead corpse of his sister, who he loves dearly and nearly died to protect. (Ooops, I gave you another little dose of reality without warning! Gomen!)
Archica (lady_archica@hotmail.com)
These two flames can both be found in the Message Board!
Flame Number Three: ::Grins:: HiHi! Well . . . On all my faovirte Yaoi sites non-yaoi people get to vice their own opinions (if. . .capatalized letters and the words "eeewww" and "::Gags::" can be considerd opinions). Theres just one lil tiny thing I have to say. You said that the creators didnt make them homosexual, no? I have to disagree, When it actully has been said by the creators that there are to be no boy/girl pairings in the show. Now, I ask you, If there were to be no boy/boy pairings wouldnt they have just said *no pairings*? ::Grins a lil:: I always seem to find lies on the anti-yaoi sits ( some girl tried to say that she had a friend in japan that lived near one of the creators and asked that friend to talk to him about it and his response was "Nani?!". That is doubtful cause HeeroxDuo isnt exactly *hidden. Plus the show was aimed at a yaoi audience anyways.)But however, I like it when people have to lie for their cause, it proves my argument further ::Nods::
Just A Thought: Ever notice how Hilde and Duo only have one picture circulateing around thats not a screen shot, how many duo Duo and Heero have that are original? Aie, I dunno, mustave lost count ::Grin::
ShinigamiYuy (No E-mail address listed, conveniently)
My Personal Thoughts on this Flame: Is it me, or does this person sound like they think I lie big time? Other than that, it was handled pretty calmly. No screaming or gross capitalizations.
My Response to this Flame: Let me ask you something. If someone came up to you and said: "Do you have any oranges?" and you said "No, I have no oranges." Does that mean we can all assume that you have apples, just because you didn't say that you had no apples?
Also, Hilde is not a main character. She is a sub-character. Duo and Heero ARE main characters. That's why they have more pics together that are NOT* screen shots. Ever notice why Usagi (Serena) and Ami (Amy) have more pics together than Usagi and Naru (Molly)? It's because Naru is NOT a main character. It doesn't mean that Usagi and Ami are any closer than Usagi and Naru (Usagi and Naru are in fact closer).
Let me also explain that I did not lie anywhere on my page. I don't know whether you were stating a fact, or hinting at something (and I honestly don't care), but everything I said on my site is true. I don't deny that some characters are homosexual (like Nuriko and Tomo from Fushigi Yuugi and Haruka and Michiru from Sailor Moon) but I will deny that some characters are gay if there is no undeniable proof.
Archica (lady_archica@hotmail.com)
*= In the original post, I forgot the add the "not". Gomen!
This flame can be found on the message board.
My Second Response to This Flame: (I added this later) No, Gundam Wing was not aimed at a "yaoi audience". That's the biggest lie I've ever heard. If that's true, it'd probably be more like Kaze to Kino Uta (lots of undeniable homosexual scenes). Last I heard, Gundam was a shounen anime. Doesn't that mean it's aimed at guys? I don't know a whole lot of male yaoi fans myself. How many do you know?
Flame Number Four (Response from the person who left Flame Number Three): Then why Duo and Heero? Why Quatre and Trowa? If the writers really inteded to make Hilde and Duo a couple, they *would* have pictures together. In all art books its, Heero and Duo on one page, and Quatre and trowa on the next, sometimes with Wufei. Ever see that picture of Heero embraceing Duo from behind? And how Duo is grinning, and Heero looks so possessive. Hilde and Duo (Not to meantion Heero and Relena) have *no* pictures like that. Not even close. ::Laughs:: And the point still remains, that there are to be no boy/girl pairings in the show, Plus as I said before you said that the creators didnt mean to make them seen homosexual, they know damn well people think they are gay, and encourage it. Hilde and Duo coupleing is so unimaginative, any non yaoi fan probably thought these two were an item from day one. Alof people thought Cathrine and Trowa were an item too. . .I hope they were a tad surprized.
ShinigamiYuy (This person chose not to include their e-mail address. Hmmmm.... seems like someone is scared they might get some nasty e-mail!)
My Personal Comments on this Flame: Blah, blah, blah. This person is just going on and on about the same crap. She (or he, whatever it is) is bringing up stupid details that mean absolutely nothing. Like who even mentioned Catherine and Trowa? Is my site dedicated to Catherine and Trowa? Uh.... no. Then why bring them up? Who knows. Also, describing ONE picture in which Duo and Heero look close (ever hear of "best friends"?) is pretty lame. Find one more picture where they're that close and I'll give you a cookie!
My Response: I thought all you yaoi-lovers knew that Duo and Heero were best friends. Ooops. Hope I didn't ruin anything for you. Maybe that should explain why they have more pics together than Duo with Quatre or someone else. And in case you didn't notice, Quatre and Trowa are best friends too. Do you read Sailor Moon Manga? There is an image in there of Minako (Mina) behind Usagi (Serena) and it's a LOT more provocative than the Duo/Heero pic you mentioned. It actually looks like Minako is fondling Usagi. But, Noako herself said that the only gay pairing in the story is Haruka and Michiru. Everyone knows that both Usagi and Minako are straight. It's just a picture. I think that in Japan, two people of the same sex can hug and be close without being gay. In America, we tend to turn it into something dirty. Can't two guys that are best friends hug? Guess not.
Maybe the reason everyone thinks Duo and Hilde are an item is because they spend more time together than any other possible couple. So what if most of it is off camera? They're still together. Maybe they did say no boy/girl pairings (in the interview I read, they said they had trouble writing boy/girl relationships, when talking about Heero and Relena, not that they didn't have any), that doesn't mean that we're to assume that every single character on the show is gay. You yaoi fans are just digging for exuses to run even wilder with your imaginations. I could come up with about a hundred lame exuses as to why Duo and Hilde are an item, but they would be just that: lame. I'd rather not bore everyone reading this or ruffle the feathers of all those yaoi-aholics.
Oh, since we're bringing in pointless details, did you notice that Hilde is wearing Duo's cap? That's sweet, ne? I've never seen Heero wearing Duo's cap before. Maybe I just missed it.
Archica (lady_archica@hotmail.com)
Flame Number Five: I don't know whether to call this a flame or not.I think it's more of
I HATE Hilde. I don't know why but I just do (sorry).
Why don't you have just a Duo site (cause I love him). I wish Hilde would
die(maybe she does I haven't see the Endless Waltz yet).
SNOWTIGER1145@aol.com
My Personal Comments on this Flame: She doesn't know whether or not that's a flame? Ok, write to a Heero shrine and say "I HATE Heero!" and see what they think. I think it's considered a flame when you write to the owner of a shrine dedicated to a certain character and tell them that you hate that character and wish they would die. I think everyone would consider that a flame.
My Response to this Flame: Ok, first of all. I would call this a flame. And I will post it in the flame section. Anyway, I don't just have a Duo site because I don't just like Duo. I like Hilde. I can have a site dedicated to any character I want and that's my business. I don't like Wufei, but I don't write people who have Wufei shrines and say: "You shouldn't have a Wufei site". They like Wufei, so I think it's great that they put time and effort into creating a site dedicated to a character they like, whether or not I like that character myself. I just want to know one thing. Why do you hate Hilde? I'm very curious. What is it about her that makes you hate her? I can give you good reasons for why I hate every single character that I hate. Wufei? He's sexist. That's my reason. Not that he's "ugly" or "gay" or "stupid", as some people like to use as reasons. I really want to know why you hate Hilde. You have to have a reason. If not, then you can't really hate her. You may just think you hate her, but without even hating anything about her, I don't think you can hate her. So, please tell me what it is you hate about her.
Flame Number Six: Listen here and listen good . Heero and duo are lovers . Get off the
hilde fantasy thing . Okay ? First of all I have many gundam wing
pictures of Duo and heero kissing and I even have one that shows duo
with his hair down and he and heero are in unbuttoned night shirts . (
not hentai ) They are lovers . Hey your opinion is great and I respect
that . Hey hilde and duo are a great couple and heero and duo would make
good best friends but as I said before thay are undenibly lovers . Heero
and duo were simply made for each other . So what ? There gay . In Japan
kids and adults are mature enough to handle gay people in their cartoons
( They have to have cartoons cause none of the people can act ) .
Plus I know many guys that like the gay guys in gundam wing . Another
thing why do you think the show was only aimed for guys ? Yah I can
understand your view point but still if their is a show with guys and
guys fighting more guys don't you think girls would wanna watch it ? Hey
your a girl and you watch it .
Ps . Do all of your responses have to be so RUDE ? We have our opinion
just as you have yours .And another thing I'll e-mail you again later
with the websites with the pics I told you about . Then you'll owe me a
cookie .
Kindly sent in by Machelle (machel5@bellsouth.net)
My Personal Comments on This Flame: Does this person even know what doujinshi is??? How can anyone not tell the difference in the art? And it really gets on my nerves when someone states their opinion as it it were pure fact and expect everyone else to accept and believe it just because they say so.
My Response to This Flame: Ok, let me explain what those pictures you saw were. They're called doujinshi, which is the Japanese term for "fan art". I admit that I even own some Duo/Heero doujinshi of my own (not hentai though). Doujinshi can no more be considered proof of the Duo/Heero relationship as my Duo/Hilde fanfictions can be considered proof of the Duo/Hilde relationship. The pictures you saw are NOT official pictures, no matter how much you or other yaoi fans wish they were. Sure, I have lots of doujinshi pics of Duo and Hilde kissing, getting married, etc. but they're not real pictures, therefore cannot be used as proof. If they could, I'd dig out that pic of Duo opening Hilde's kimono and peeking inside (while she blushes) and say "Hey! Here's undeniable proof that Duo and Hilde are lovers!". But I have enough sense to realize the difference between official pictures and fan art.
Yes, Gundam Wing is a shounen anime. That is obvious. If you've ever watched shoujo anime, you would be able to tell the difference much easier. It was aimed at a male audience, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have just as many female fans. I didn't say girls didn't like it. I merely said that it was aimed at males. Haven't any of you noticed the trend? Any show that has a few good-looking guys who have no official girlfriends (although it hints horribly that they do) is considered a yaoi-full show. Ever been in the Samurai Troopers (Ronin Warriors) fandom? Yu Yu Hakusho? Weiss Kruez? It's all the same. Just because the show doesn't come right out and say "Heero and Relena are dating!", everyone thinks he's gay. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being gay. I just think it's wrong to label a character as such just because you think he'd look cute with his best friend.
You act like I hate gay characters. How many times do I have to say that I DO NOT hate homosexual anime characters (or homosexual people for that matter)?! I've stated it so many times that I'm really getting sick of repeating myself.
Now YOU listen and listen good: no matter what you think of Duo's sexual prefference, it's all opinion. My whole Duo/Hilde site is based on my opinion that they're a good couple. Your opinion is that Duo and Heero are better together, but it's NOT fact! Don't write to me stating your opinions like they're facts. I hope this letter has cleared up something about those pictures for you.
Flame Number Seven: NO I DON'T THINK SO if you HAVEN'T NOTICED DUO TRAED TO KILL HILDY MANY TIMES DUO DOESN'T LIKE HILDY THIS WAB SIGHT IS ONE BIT *#(@ UP LIE. GET THE DUO DOES NOT LIKE HILDY DOES NOT. THIS WED SIGHT IS NOT ON MY GOOD LIST CAN'T YOU THINK OF SOMETHING ELESE I DON'T EVEN CARE IF IT'S DUO AND HEERO THIS WAB SIGHT ^&*#$. HAVE A NICE DAY. SINGED ZERO2/ DUOS GIRL FRIEND. PRINCESS OF RYOKO. P.S. THI WEB SIGHT IS NOT REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THIS IS NOT TURE.
This flame was left in the guestbook by "Zero2", who somehow forgot to leave her e-mail address (anyone notice a trend?).
My Personal Comments on this Flame: For one thing, can anyone tell me what these words are: "traed", "Hildy", "wab sight", "Bit *#(@", "Wed Sight", "elese", "^&*#$", or "singed"? Uh... I think I need a translator for this one. ^_^ Another thing: Yet another poor hopeless soul who thinks she's Duo's girlfriend. *sigh* When will they learn?
My Reponse to this Flame: Ok, this is my reply to the nice little letter below. I'll add it to the flames page tonight sometime. First of all: All web sites are real. Whether you agree with what they say or not, they're real. Web sites are real if they exist at all. Second: Duo NEVER tried to kill Hilde. He tried to kill Heero once, but never Hilde. In fact, he saved her life twice (that we saw in the show). The most he ever did was throw his bag at her while she was still an Oz soldier. If Duo doesn't like her at all, why has he been living with her for two years? Why did he save her? What you said made no sense whatsoever. Please watch a few episodes, get your facts straight, and come back when you've been educated. I think your comments were so stupid that everyone who read it has become dumber. Lord help us all.
Flame Number Eight: ok, i'd just like to say that, hilde, yeh um well...... shes a little BITCH AND SHOULD GO TO HELL AND BURN!!!! HA HA HA HA HA , oh Duo honey can do ALOT better than that little hoochie!!!!!!. Thanks for latting me atate my opinion. always a pleasure ^o^. PS. HILDE IS A SLUT AND A F@#$ING bITCH, AND SHOULD BE SHOT IN THE HEAD( which i would gladly do if i had the chance) SHE SHOUL DIE SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY BEGGING FOR MERCY AND I WOULD LAUGH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
This flame was kindly left in the guestbook by Dark Angel, and as you may have guessed, she (or he) forgot to leave her e-mail address. Ok, now this is getting annoying. I've flamed three sites in my entire life (all three were anti sites) and all three times I left my e-mail address. Maybe it's because I have a little thing I like to call a back-bone. ^_~
My Personal Comments on this Flame: Aside from numerous spelling errors, gross capitalizations, painfully bad grammar, and lack of logic, it was...... still pretty stupid.
My Response to this Flame: *This is special because this is the only place where the response will be posted!* First of all, you left absolutely no reasons for your opinions. I'll "lat" you "atate" your opinion all you want, but please have the common sense to defend your points. Your flame in no way made me consider changing my opinion of Hilde and in fact, made me like Hilde more. When immature, illiterate brats hate her, I somehow find her very appealing. Therefore your flame wasn't worth the three hours you probably spent typing it. Actually, it wasn't worth the three seconds it took for me to read it (excluding the moments in which I studdied the words that looked like moronic jibberish). One more point before I allow you to escape back into your fantasy realm of ice cream and stuffed teddy bears: Hilde is an animated character, which means that you can't kill her, and she couldn't really care less if you dislike her. In fact, she'll never even know that you dilike her nor will she ever be able to die and go to hell (unless the creators decide to make another manga story in which this happens, not when you decide she deserves it).
Flame Number Nine: I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!DUO AND HILDE???!!!!!ICK!!YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!!!WELL,THE HELL WITH YOUR OPINIONS,I say duo and heero forever!!!
Kindly left in the guestbook by: Lunari Maxwell (lunarimaxwell@aol.com.... she left her e-mail! OH MY GOD!!!! THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING!!!!!)
My Personal Comments On This Flame: Typical crap from a typical flamer. Lack of substance, lack of rationality, lack of support for her views, lack of.... lack of pretty much anything that would make this a decent letter.
My Response To This Flame: You hate me? *gasp* What ever shall I do?! Someone I've never met/seen/talked to hates me! Well, guess what Lunari? I could really care less! I'll never EVER meet or see you! So why should I care if you hate me? But, for the sake of pure curiosity, why do you hate me? Because I don't agree with you? Because my views are different? Is it me, or does she sound like a Nazi wannabe? *shrug* Let me give you a little newsflash: Not every single person in the world is gonna agree with everything you say! Now, it's possible that you're a spoiled little brat and that your family agrees with you on ever topic, but that's just as pathetic. I make you sick? Hm. *hands her a barf bag* Thank you! "The Hell With My Opinions"? You say that, then you directly go and express your opinion. If you don't respect mine, why in the hell should I respect yours? Honestly, a little common sense would help your case. I'm always curious as to why some yaoi fans like to attack me when I've NEVER attacked the yaoi community. I've NEVER flamed a yaoi site (well, as long as it wasn't an anti site!), and I've never insulted anyone personally. I just don't understand some of these flamers. I really don't. Oh well, I suppose I should be happy that I don't understand sheer stupidity and utter idiocy! ^_^
Flame Number Ten: This is a fairly decent site, but I have a few questions for you: On your Fan Fic page, you stated you were thinking about creating pages for yaoi and yuri even though you don't believe it them. My question is, Why would you even think of doing that? It's almost insulting. Are you so in need of more 'hits' that you would spend time hunting for and posting up those fics? In my opinion, you should create a page that reflects who YOU are and what YOU like. If you don't like those fics, then why waste your time? If you don't love what you do, it'll show. There's enough yaoi sites out there where everyone with a keyboard can find no problem. If you are going write all those essays about why Heero x Duo lovers are threatened by Hilde, and why Hilde and Duo should be together, then stick to your guns, and practice what you preach.
Left by "Moi" who... shockingly.... fogot to leave an e-mail address.
My Personal Comments on this Flame: This person apparently hasn't observed the bold hit counter on my main page, which reads 15,786 at the time I'm writing this. I don't really think I'm all that desparate for hits, seeing as how I've only had this site for about four or five months.
My Response: Ok, I never said that I didn't "believe" in yaoi or yuri. I only said that I didn't particularly agree with that lifestyle. I've said countless times that I don't hate yaoi/yuri or fans of that. I post fics that include 3x4 shounen ai, so why not have a special section for Duo yaoi and Hilde yuri?? Like I said, Duo Yaoi fans should feel just at home here as Duo non-yaoi fans. Although everyone can see that this site is a non-yaoi site. I just want to make everyone happy. No, I'm not desparate for hits, I just don't want anyone to feel excluded. And I'm not pressing the yaoi/yuri fics on anyone. I said I'd make a NEW section for them. Meaning, they'd be completely separate. That's why I posted a survey, so that people could vote on the issue. Only a very small amount disapproved. Most either didn't care or approved. And only a TINY amount of voters were yaoi fans. This tells me that non-yaoi fans aren't near as close minded as yaoi fans accuse us of being. I'm just trying to prove to the world that we do have open minds and that we're not all that bad. Is that so wrong?