Nitzer Ebb evolving?

From: Rowan-Morrison
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Subject: Re: IF YOU DON'T LIKE NITZEREBB, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR WAY
Date: 3 Aug 1995 12:47:02 GMT
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dj jurgen wrote:

>As for going anywhere:
> I. They got dropped from their major label in the U.S.-MCA
>(the largest music market in the world.)
> Now what do you have to say to that. I'm sure nothing because those
>are cold hard facts which cannot be disputed.

They were dropped from Geffen/Mute.

> ps. When I am disc-jockeying, I have played an old Ebb tune back to back
> with a new one (eg Kick It) and factually speaking, the new Ebb material
> clears the dance floor while old packs the dance floor. Yet another
> indication of how they have fallen.

This might have to do the fact that Nitzer Ebb's previous material
has been played ad naseum for the last decade, while their new stuff
is relatively foreign to the dance floor. Then again, the new stuff
>arereally bites. I like how they mixed the organic percussion, but that's
about the only memorable quality. Thumbs up to the Ebb for trying to
evolve, thumbs down for the result. I believe that if they added
live percussion to music in the Showtime vein, they would've been
able to appeal to the Ebb fans while still altering their sound.
Wishful thinking.

chase (exploiter of the poor and electronic)
Re-Constriction Records
4901-906 Morena Blvd.
San Diego, CA 92117-3432
Home page:
http://www.fiu.edu:80/~wjones01/recon.html

From: gclow@octrf.on.ca (Greg Clow)
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Subject: Re: IF YOU DON'T LIKE NITZEREBB, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR WAY
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:16:24 GMT
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Re: the new vs. old Ebb debate.

Here's a funny little story. There's a DJ here in Toronto who writes a monthly
column for a local zine called Renegade Spectrum. His name is Jurgen, and
actually, he posts here on r.m.i. fairly regularily. Nice guy, too. Well, in one of
his columns, he closed a rant about the state of industrial music with the phrase
"The battle for industrial music must be won!" (or something to that effect, please
excuse me, Jurgen, if I misquoted you).

Anyway... (here comes the punchline)... a couple of friends of mine went to the
Ebb show here a month or so back. They both like some of the new album,
but like most folks, they're pretty disgusted by the ballad-type tracks. So when
the band started playing one of those tracks, one of my friends turned to the
other and said - "The battle for industrial music has just been lost!". :-)

From: cj@mecca.trw.lv (Lonnie Ellis)
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Subject: Re: IF YOU DON'T LIKE NITZEREBB, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR WAY
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:16:24 GMT
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I heard that Nitzer Ebb don't really consider themselves an industrial band.
In fact, they don't like to be labeled as such. They think that trying to fit
bands into certain categories is a lot of crap! American labels are trying
to force this idea down consumer's throats to make record companies' products
easier to swallow.

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From: gary@sql.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 12:22:43 bst
Subject: NITZER-EBB: Big Hit Live 1995
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Does anyone out there think that The Ebb have musically
gone in the wrong direction? I think that "Big Hit" is
quite a weak album, and for something that took four
years to come together, I was quite disappointed

Also, in the live context I believe NE have changed for
the worse. I was at the Ebb's London show in March, and
I noticed the guys had guitars on stage. Now don't get me
wrong, I don't hate guitars or anything, but I felt that
NE were trying too hard to be a rock band.

I had seen NE on their previous Ebbhead tour, and personally
preferred it. I think their sound has maybe become a bit too
mellow (the exceptions being "In Decline", "Floodwater" and
"Kick It"). It just seemed really weird to see Bon playing
a Bass Guitar on "Reasons" - it just didn't feel or look right.
I did really enjoy the "Big Hit" show, but the crowd were
crying out for the old stuff - "Join in the Chant", "Getting
Closer", etc. I can understand them not wanting to play the
old stuff, but it's the fans who by the records, come to the
shows etc.

I hope that the next album is more like "Showtime" & "Belief",
which are by far the two best albums the Ebb have ever done.

This post is intended to get some dialogue up and running with
regard to the sound of NE - past, present and future - it is
not intended to be flamebait of any kind.

GARY.

"If all I ever wanted wasn't good for you,
the things that I said, they just weren't,
ascend...ascend my friend." - Nitzer Ebb "Ascend" 1991.

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:25:42 -0400
From: Jeremy Bailin
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I'm going to get flamed for this, but here it is:

I love Big Hit.

Okay, so not all of the songs are standouts. But there are enough
great songs (Floodwater, Kick It, Cherry Blossom, and the single mix of I
Thought - which reminds me, does anyone know why they put that really bad
mix of it on the album? The single mix is great, but I almost always skip
over the album track. Though that's probably just because I want to hear
Floodwater so badly) for it to be great.

Unfortunately, I didn't see them live (I became an NE fan two weeks after
they were in town), so I don't know how to compare their
image/performance. I really enjoy the earlier stuff too, but it doesn't
give me that sense of elation that Big Hit does. Hmmm... maybe it's that
the older ones are more consistent albums that don't have the same
standout tracks, while Big Hit has some amazing songs and some
forgettable ones.

Anyways, just some assorted thoughts. Please, don't anyone take
this as a "NE is much better now, all the old stuff sucks". The old stuff
is great. But I've seen a lot of disparaging stuff about new NE that I
don't agree with. I think the new stuff is great too.

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From: 15COSOG5.HQAMC@MHS.SAFB.AF.MIL (Masters, SrA Dwayne)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:08 CDT
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> But I've seen a lot of disparaging stuff about new NE that I

> don't agree with. I think the new stuff is great too.

I'd have to agree with Jeremy...

There has been a lot a crap thrown about (esp. rec.music.industrial)
concerning "Big Hit." I think it's one of their best (every time NE has
a new release I get overjoyed!), and there is definitely some great songs
on this album (Floodwater, Border Talk, etc.). If some of these so
called "Industrialists" would get off of this "Say No to Guitars!" kick
and give it a listen, they would have to agree. The same sort of thing
happened when FLA decided to change direction and use heavy guitars on
"Millennium."

As for seeing Big Hit live, it didn't happen. They regretfully didn't
pass thru St. Louis (damn that tour mgr!). I think I'm going thru
withdrawal...the last time I caught them live was with DM on the
"Violator" tour.

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 23:57:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Michael Giacomo
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> Does anyone out there think that The Ebb have musically
> gone in the wrong direction? I think that "Big Hit" is
> quite a weak album, and for something that took four
> years to come together, I was quite disappointed
>
> I hope that the next album is more like "Showtime" & "Belief",
> which are by far the two best albums the Ebb have ever done.
>
I still haven't bought big hit, but I've heard a couple people say the
title should be changed to 'Big Shit' :) already by Ebbhead I wasn't
sure I liked the new direction they were hinting at...I am all for
artists trying to break out of the molds they are in..but for some reason
I haven't really liked the way NE have done it...but still, I'm gonna
give big hit a chance and buy it one of these days.

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Subject: Re: NITZER-EBB: Big Hit Live 1995
From: david.mackay@almac.co.uk (DAVID MACKAY)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 02:15:00 +0100
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*** On 16-10-95 at 15:08, MASTERS, SRA DWAYNE wrote,
*** regarding the subject of "Re: NITZER-EBB: Big Hit Live 1995".

>> But I've seen a lot of disparaging stuff about new NE that I
>> don't agree with. I think the new stuff is great too.

>I'd have to agree with Jeremy...

And I'm going to agree with both of you. Big Hit is a superb album (as are
all the others) and should be a part of everyone's collection. The song
"Cherry Blossom" is (IMHO) one of their best ever and definitely ranks up
there with "Join In The Chant", "Control I'm Here", "Fun To Be Had" and
"Godhead" (all my personal favourites ).

My favourite album is still "Ebbhead" (for now at least). I'm not sure if
it's something to do with Alan Wilder's production or not, but the sheer
"sound" of tracks like "Reasons" and "DJVD" just totally absorb me (of
course, "Godhead" is still my favourite track from the album)!

While I say "Cherry Blossom" is my favourite track from "Big Hit", I didn't
think very much of the "Original Version" from the second "I Thought" CD
single. I think that's what really appeals to me with Big Hit, the
combination of the electronic sound with traditional guitars and drums.

>If some of these so called "Industrialists" would get off of this "Say No
>to Guitars!" kick and give it a listen, they would have to agree. The same
>sort of thing happened when FLA decided to change direction and use heavy
>guitars on "Millennium."

It's amazing how, even now, people can still slag off "Millennium". I
thought after a while the "fans" would have adapted to the new sound and
ended up liking it more than the old stuff (that's what happened to me
anyway). I even thought the rap on "Victim Of A Criminal" was really smart,
reminding me a bit of "Curse" from Recoil's "Bloodline".

1H>As for seeing Big Hit live, it didn't happen. They regretfully didn't
1H>pass thru St. Louis (damn that tour mgr!). I think I'm going thru
1H>withdrawal...the last time I caught them live was with DM on the
1H>"Violator" tour.

I was lucky in that they played in Edinburgh in May, where I was staying as
a student at the time. The gig was superb though, even although there were
only around 60 people in the audience. I wouldn't have minded seeing them
during the "Violator" tour, as you no doubt got to hear "DJVD" and a more
normal version of "Join In The Chant".


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