EnsTren: Here:
Infancy: Trust vs. Mistrust -> Trust and Hope
Early childhood: Autonomy vs. Shame and Doubt -> Self-control and sence of adequacy
Years 3 - 5: Initiative vs. Guilt -> Purpose and direction, Inititive
Years 6 to Puberty: Industry vs. Inferiority -> Compedance

EnsTren: Let's deal with these four first, or do you want the rest now?
Edmondia: those four first
EnsTren: Let's imagine these favorable outcomes are... levels of light, each one making it brighter
EnsTren: or greater, like how a telescope uses two lenses
EnsTren: each one is another lens
EnsTren: as I see it, first to last it should be Bakura, Malik (because he lacks it), Seto, Atemu
EnsTren: also levels of darkness, because AE!Bakura was an evil git but he had a reason for it, good reasons, and then he got his soul screwed over by Zork Necrophasiu
EnsTren: think pyramid here
Edmondia: okay...
EnsTren: does that make sense?
Edmondia: sorta
EnsTren: now for Seto, *kicks away the bottom layer of the pyamid, hope*
EnsTren: *watches Seto fall over*
Edmondia: *watches Seth dive under him and prop him up*
EnsTren: also level of power, Malik, if he were sane, would be stronger than the thief, but he's fucked over and fallen over so it's a bit confused down there
Edmondia: true
EnsTren: I had an interesting thought on Seto with Goz being like a second birth
EnsTren: let me finish the listing
EnsTren: More:
Adolescence: Identity vs. Confusion -> Intergrate view of self as Unique
Early Adulthood: Intimacy vs. Isolation -> Ability to Form close relationships
Middle Adulthood: Generativity vs. Stagnation -> Concern for family, Society
Old age: Integrety vs. Despair -> Fulfillment and satisfaction, willingness to face death
EnsTren: now then, Seto in the orphanage, he hoped for a better future, self-control and he knew he was good, check check for the first two
EnsTren: purpose and direction, yes, intiative, damn right!
EnsTren: then Gozaburo
EnsTren: he's not interested in trust, and he doesn't think Seto has enough self control
EnsTren: so he starts the training
EnsTren: Improving his self-control, and his sense of self worth improves on its own just to keep him sane
EnsTren: purpose and direction: kill Goz, while Goz is: rule well
EnsTren: forces competance on him at a young age
EnsTren: hits integrated view of himself as unique, jumps over the ability to form close relationships, resulting in him having a huge amount of concern for "family"
EnsTren: which he always had but it's even more so now
EnsTren: because we're social creatures, and Seto knows he can't make any other close relationships except for Mokuba--not too interested in society though
EnsTren: and the old age stage is a bit muddled but he is willing to face death
EnsTren: and all this forced on him, right around purpose and direction perhaps, the bottom falls out and he loses hope
EnsTren: 16 going on forty, isn't that what they say about Seto?
EnsTren: anyways, Ryou's... light, if you will, is trust and hope (he took back the ring!)
EnsTren: Malik is second growthphase, but obviously fuckered over
EnsTren: Seto is third, but he ended up being all of it except for the first so he's fuckered up
EnsTren: Yugi is the last, competance and all the other "lights" brought to a point
EnsTren: gets it?
Edmondia: mostly
EnsTren: am I coherent?
Edmondia: yeah
EnsTren: basically they all spring from hope and trust
EnsTren: but Seto is fuckered up
Edmondia: the two things Seto dearest has the most issues with
EnsTren: also note they are in levels of yaminess as well
EnsTren: Bakura, YamiMalikthing, Seth (just because he's sane doesn't mean he's not Yami), Atemu (spirit of darkness eternal, to borrow a phrase)
Edmondia: Baku and Yami Malikthing would be more powerful... except they're loonies
EnsTren: and Baku's yaminess had a point, he wasn't inherently yami, but became it cause of vengance, and mixing souls with Zork baka
Edmondia: *kicks Zork in the head* Yessum.
EnsTren: Malik... is crazy
Edmondia: yes
EnsTren: and then sane Seth and insane Atemu

EnsTren: hmn, in my head, he finally came out of his soul room
EnsTren: and told Seth, very quietly, tired, just... leave him be for a while
Edmondia: at least they talked
EnsTren: and doesn't look at him, but quietly moves out of his own room to another room where they never had sex or cried or talked, where he doesn't have memories of Seth
EnsTren: and he rather diligently takes KaibaCorp out of direct gaming
EnsTren: his holograms were primarily used for gaming after all, now he's making gaming secondary and instead marketing them for rehabilitation, hospitals, injuried people unable to get outside, virtual vacations
EnsTren: and grudgingly, fake balconies
EnsTren: programs for the dueling arenas and disks are updated regularly
EnsTren: but nowhere near as often
EnsTren: and Seth is getting very worried
EnsTren: everyone is
EnsTren: and he used to invite his yami to touch him, now he tells him not to
EnsTren: when he tried to kiss him, "Don't. Your tongue is like a rotted maggot."
EnsTren: And when Seth pulls away in sad horror, "You wanted the truth, didn't you?"
EnsTren: but he's not being vindictive, just... too tired to lie, almost
EnsTren: and not being able to deal with the pain, not wanting to
EnsTren: sleeps alone, doesn't talk to Seth much
EnsTren: sometimes talks to Mokuba, mostly uses him as a living teddybear
EnsTren: shushes him or sends him away if he tries to talk about Seth
EnsTren: doesn't go to school unless he has to
EnsTren: just...very very sad and tired
EnsTren: sixteen going on sixty
EnsTren: but I don't know how to get him out of that funk
Edmondia: wakes up early one morning and winds up watching morning rites?
EnsTren: That's... nice
EnsTren: (there's a child's blessing)
EnsTren: (Small child, Healing Child, Child of the riverstone, child of mother's flesh and father's bone, Child of gods and of home, Be safe grow tall, rise to grow and face Ra, Shine with mother, father, home.)
EnsTren: (I can see him saying that, murmuring it into Mokuba's hair)
EnsTren: (and where would Seth be while doing his morning rites?)
Edmondia: in lieu of a temple, I imagine he'd be outside, to greet the dawn
EnsTren: maybe on the roof
Edmondia: maybe... dunno about that, though
EnsTren: *hopes Seth has to strip down naked, if just for eyecandy*
Edmondia: *is fairly sure that he doesn't, but would imagine him pretty in morning light*
EnsTren: yummy redgold light on golden skin
Edmondia: yummy redgold light on redgold hair

EnsTren: I wonder what the common player's reaction would be to KaibaCorp pretty much pulling out of the gaming business?
Edmondia: AAAUUUUUUUUUUGH! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
EnsTren: *giggles*
EnsTren: mass picketing around the Kaiba estate
EnsTren: but kinda useless since they won't boycott
Edmondia: "Give us duel monsters or give us death!"
EnsTren: and Seto's making money off of other people now
EnsTren: "You're getting your stinking duel monsters."
Edmondia: ... *muffles sudden giggles*
Edmondia: was just thinking
Edmondia: mass picketing around Kaiba estate + Seth running around outside praying = "CEO of KaibaCorp Taking Part In Bizarre Pagan Ritual!"
EnsTren: *dies*
EnsTren: also equals Seto hacking and stuff
Edmondia: *giggle* and squealing fanthings - it's entirely possible Seth was running around without a shirt
Edmondia: and yes, that too
EnsTren: also equals Seto withdrawing more and telling Seth "So do it on the roof where no one can see you, damnit!"
EnsTren: and then withdrawing more because he hates being embarrassed
EnsTren: and Seth bashing his head on a wall for it
< EnsTren: and the Yugi-tachi?
EnsTren: oh and Seth is suffering from cake and beer and sex withdrawal
Edmondia: understandably so
Edmondia: Yugi-tachi are treading very carefully around Kaiba
Edmondia: remember, they saw Seth bawling his eyes out
EnsTren: beg to be shadow gamed
Edmondia: very odd behavior, no?
Edmondia: and given pharaohboi's response to it, they can tell it's a very serious matter
Edmondia: 'cause let's face it, neither one of them are the cuddling type
Edmondia: and, uh... *polite cough* "Atemu-chan" = Yugi-tachi going O_o???
EnsTren: well Atemu is younger and much smaller
EnsTren: and he started doing it to twit the pharaoh
EnsTren: and it kinda stuck
Edmondia: heh
EnsTren: "Atemu-chan!"
"DIE!"
EnsTren: and Seth dancing away and teasing Atemu about his short legs
EnsTren: or planting his hand on Atemu's head and holding him away
Edmondia: .....aaaaaaaaaaaand Atemu biting his arm
Edmondia: I see lots of fighting going on between them
Edmondia: Atemu darting under things and Seth running right into them

EnsTren: would the Yugis try to go see Seto?
Edmondia: unlikely
EnsTren: or happy helpful Jou?
Edmondia: even more unlikely
EnsTren: anzupreacher?
Edmondia: unlikely.
Edmondia: she's only ever yelled at Kaiba once, and frankly, he deserved it

EnsTren: he's trying to distance himself from duel monsters because of the whole yami connotations in it
EnsTren: and he's making holo playrooms like in Ray Bradbury, only non creepy ebil

EnsTren: wonder if Seto also suffers from sex withdrawl?
Edmondia: probably
Edmondia: he's gotten used to feeling wanted