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[00:00] >> Jay: WELCOME BACK.
[00:01] [ APPLAUSE ]
[00:02] WINNING NBA LAKER COACH
[00:03] PHIL JACKSON IS ON HIS WAY OUT.
[00:06] FROM THE NEW MOVIE "THE FAST
[00:07] AND THE FURIOUS," THE LOVELY
[00:07] MICHELLE RODRIGUEZ.
[00:09] AND YOU KNOW HIM FROM
[00:09] JANE'S ADDICTION --
[00:11] PERFORMING SOLO, DAVID NAVARRO
[00:11] IS HERE, AS WELL.
[00:12] SO IT'S A GOOD SHOW.
[00:13] LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT TOMORROW
[00:14] NIGHT.
[00:16] TOMORROW NIGHT -- SHAQ, THE MVP.
[00:17] SHAQUILLE O'NEAL WILL BE HERE.
[00:19] AND THE FIRST BLIND MAN EVER
[00:20] TO CLIMB MT. EVEREST,
[00:21] ERIK WEIHENMAYER.
[00:22] THIS IS A GREAT STORY.
[00:24] THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE, THIS
[00:24] STORY.
[00:25] WAIT TILL YOU MEET THIS GUY.
[00:26] IT'S REALLY SOMETHING.
[00:27] AND THE MUSIC OF
[00:28] LUTHER VANDROSS.
[00:29] AND THURSDAY, TURNING OFF
[00:30] THE LIGHTS, LADIES
[00:30] AND GENTLEMEN.
[00:31] WE'RE DOING THE SHOW IN THE DARK
[00:32] WITH "THE TONIGHT SHOW"
[00:33] UNPLUGGED.
[00:34] SO THAT SHOULD BE EXCITING.
[00:35] >> Kevin: OH, YEAH.
[00:36] >> Jay: AND SAVING ENERGY,
[00:37] AS WELL.
[00:38] ALL RIGHT.
[00:39] MY FIRST GUEST CONSIDERED
[00:40] BY MANY TO BE ONE
[00:41] OF THE GREATEST COACHES
[00:42] THE NBA'S EVER PRODUCED.
[00:43] CERTAINLY BY KEVIN.
[00:44] [ LIGHT LAUGHTER ]
[00:45] HE LED THE L.A. LAKERS
[00:46] TO THEIR CONSECUTIVE
[00:47] CHAMPIONSHIP BY BEATING
[00:48] THE PHILADELPHIA 76ers.
[00:49] [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]
[00:52] PLEASE WELCOME PHIL JACKSON,
[00:52] LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
[00:54] [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]
[01:01] [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]
[01:02] >> Jay: GOOD TO SEE YOU, BUDDY.
[01:09] HOW ARE YA?
[01:11] >> GREAT, JAY.
[01:12] THANK YOU.
[01:13] GOOD TO BE DONE AND FINISHED
[01:14] WITH IT.
[01:15] >> Jay: ARE YOU DONE?
[01:15] ARE YOU EXHAUSTED?
[01:17] >> I'M GETTING IT BACK NOW.
[01:18] >> Jay: YEAH, GETTING IT BACK.
[01:18] COMING BACK.
[01:19] NOW YOU GOT -- HOW MANY RINGS?
[01:20] YOU GOT TEN RINGS?
[01:20] >> TEN RINGS.
[01:22] ACTUALLY, I GOT ONE IN THE MINOR
[01:23] LEAGUES.
[01:24] THAT DOESN'T COUNT.
[01:24] >> Jay: YOU GOT 11.
[01:25] >> 11 RINGS.
[01:27] >> Jay: YOU EVER JUST PUT THEM
[01:27] ON ALL AT ONCE AND GO OUT
[01:28] AS MR. T?
[01:29] [ LAUGHTER ]
[01:30] JUST KINDA GO OUT LIKE THIS.
[01:31] DO YOU DO THAT?
[01:31] YOU EVER --
[01:33] >> I DID A THING, A COMMERCIAL
[01:35] THING IN CHICAGO BACK THERE
[01:36] A FEW YEARS AGO, WHERE I HAD
[01:38] FIVE ON AT ONE TIME.
[01:39] BUT THAT'S FIVE AGO.
[01:41] >> Jay: NOW, WHEN YOU GO BACK
[01:41] TO CHICAGO, DO YOU SLIP
[01:42] ON THE CHICAGO ONES?
[01:44] >> NO.
[01:45] I NEVER WEAR THESE RINGS, EXCEPT
[01:46] DURING THE PLAYOFFS.
[01:47] THEY'RE ONLY INCENTIVE ITEMS.
[01:48] >> Jay: OKAY.
[01:50] >> BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS
[01:51] ADDED ONE --
[01:52] YOU KNOW, I CHALLENGED SHAQ LAST
[01:55] YEAR, WHO GOT A STUD
[01:56] IN HIS NIPPLE.
[01:58] "PUT THAT RING THERE.
[01:59] THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ONE TO HAVE
[01:59] RIGHT THERE."
[02:00] YOU KNOW, THAT --
[02:01] [ LAUGHTER ]
[02:02] NOW THAT HE HAS TWO, HE CAN GO
[02:03] BOTH SIDES.
[02:03] >> Jay: YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
[02:04] >> ASK HIM ABOUT THAT TOMORROW.
[02:05] >> Jay: HERE'S SOMETHING I'VE
[02:06] ALWAYS WONDERED.
[02:07] DO YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE DOPEY
[02:08] LAKER FLAG THINGS ON YOUR CAR?
[02:09] [ LAUGHTER ]
[02:10] BE HONEST.
[02:11] TELL ME RIGHT NOW.
[02:12] DON'T THINK ABOUT IT.
[02:13] >> YOU KNOW --
[02:14] YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THOSE
[02:15] PEOPLE?
[02:15] >> Jay: WHAT'S THAT?
[02:16] >> FLAGOTS.
[02:17] THOSE ARE FLAGOTS.
[02:17] >> Jay: THOSE ARE FLAGOTS.
[02:18] REALLY?
[02:20] [ LIGHT LAUGHTER ]
[02:20] >> THOSE PEOPLE WHO --
[02:21] THEY'RE GREAT, THOUGH.
[02:23] OUR FANS IN LAKERLAND HERE --
[02:24] [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]
[02:25] >> Jay: DO YOU HAVE ONE, THOUGH?
[02:27] DO YOU HAVE ONE ON YOUR CAR?
[02:28] [ APPLAUSE ]
[02:30] THAT'S LIKE BUYING ROSES THE DAY
[02:31] AFTER MOTHER'S DAY.
[02:32] THE PRICE DROPS.
[02:33] >> IMMEDIATELY.
[02:34] >> Jay: NOW, LET ME ASK
[02:35] YOU THIS --
[02:36] DID IT BOTHER YOU THAT IT WASN'T
[02:37] A SWEEP?
[02:41] >> I KNEW THAT WAS SO POSSIBLE
[02:42] TO DO A SWEEP.
[02:43] >> Jay: BUT IT WAS THAT CLOSE.
[02:44] >> I DON'T KNOW.
[02:47] KEVIN, THAT CALL IN OVERTIME
[02:50] ON ROBERT HORRY THAT WOULD HAVE
[02:50] MADE IT A SWEEP?
[02:51] WE WERE UP BY FIVE
[02:52] WITH THE BASKETBALL.
[02:53] 2:50 LEFT IN THAT OVERTIME.
[02:54] WE LOST.
[02:56] YOU KNEW RIGHT THEN THAT
[02:57] SOMETHING WRONG WAS GOING ON,
[02:58] DIDN'T YOU?
[02:59] >> Kevin: NO, NO, MAN.
[03:00] THAT WAS A TIGHT GAME.
[03:01] THAT WAS A TIGHT GAME.
[03:02] >> YEAH, WELL, THAT MADE IT
[03:02] INTERESTING.
[03:03] GOOD FOR NBC.
[03:05] >> Jay: WELL, LET ME ASK
[03:05] YOU SOMETHING.
[03:07] IN TERMS OF THE SPORT,
[03:08] IN TERMS OF --
[03:09] 'CAUSE PEOPLE WENT INTO THIS --
[03:10] LIKE, THE FIRST GAME,
[03:11] THE RATINGS WERE OKAY.
[03:13] THEN WHEN THE SIXERS WON
[03:14] THE GAME, THE RATINGS WENT
[03:15] THROUGH THE --
[03:16] PEOPLE REALLY LOCKED INTO IT.
[03:17] I MEAN, FOR THE SAKE
[03:18] OF BASKETBALL, IN THE BACK
[03:19] OF YOUR MIND, DO YOU SAY, "IT'S
[03:20] A GOOD THING TO HAPPEN
[03:20] THIS WAY"?
[03:21] >> IT WAS GREAT.
[03:22] BUT, YOU KNOW, I SPENT
[03:23] A SLEEPLESS NIGHT THINKING
[03:24] ABOUT WHAT COULD I HAVE DONE
[03:25] AS A COACH.
[03:25] >> Jay: WERE YOU SLEEPLESS?
[03:26] 'CAUSE YOU SEEMED SO CALM.
[03:28] WAS IT A SLEEPLESS NIGHT?
[03:29] WERE YOU REALLY UP ALL NIGHT?
[03:31] >> I WENT TO SLEEP, SLEPT
[03:32] A COUPLE HOURS, WOKE UP.
[03:34] THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.
[03:36] TRIED TO GET SOME SLEEP,
[03:37] COULDN'T DO IT.
[03:38] READ FOR A BIT.
[03:39] FINALLY GAVE UP.
[03:40] >> Jay: SO WHAT DO YOU READ?
[03:41] OKAY, YOU WAKE UP.
[03:42] ARE YOU SWEATING NOW?
[03:43] ARE YOU PANICKING?
[03:45] DO YOU THINK, "THIS IS IT.
[03:45] WE SCREWED UP"?
[03:47] >> YOU KNOW, YOU GO BACK
[03:47] TO INCIDENTS.
[03:48] YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ANYTHING.
[03:49] IF HAVE YOU AN ACCIDENT, YOU DO
[03:50] THE SAME THING.
[03:51] YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE --
[03:52] >> Jay: YOU RELIVE IT.
[03:52] >> YEAH, YOU RELIVE IT.
[03:54] YOU GO BACK AND SAY, "WHAT COULD
[03:54] I HAVE DONE AT THIS MOMENT
[03:56] TO CHANGE THE DESTINY OF WHAT
[03:56] HAPPENED?"
[03:57] >> Jay: IS THERE ANYTHING --
[03:58] >> YOU KNOW, KEV, WHAT WERE
[04:00] YOU THINKING THAT PHILADELPHIA
[04:01] COULD HAVE DONE TO HAVE CHANGED
[04:03] THE DESTINY WHEN WE GOT -- WHEN
[04:05] WE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING?
[04:06] >> Kevin: WELL, I THOUGHT
[04:07] DIKEMBE MISSING THOSE FOUL SHOTS
[04:08] WHEN THEY WERE GOING
[04:08] INTO OVERTIME --
[04:09] >> WASN'T THAT BIG?
[04:11] THAT WAS HUGE.
[04:13] AND I MADE HIM THINK
[04:14] ABOUT THE SECOND ONE.
[04:15] CALLED THE TIME-OUT.
[04:15] >> Kevin: RIGHT.
[04:17] I KNOW.
[04:19] >> DID YOU SEE WHERE IT
[04:21] TURNED -- ALL THE SERIES TURNED
[04:22] AFTER WE WON THAT SUNDAY GAME
[04:23] WITHOUT SHAQ IN THERE?
[04:24] >> Kevin: YEAH, BUT I ALWAYS
[04:26] WONDERED HOW COME WE TOOK OUT
[04:27] DIKEMBE WHEN SHAQ FOULED OUT.
[04:29] THAT'S LIKE -- I DON'T KNOW WHY
[04:30] WE DID THAT.
[04:30] >> THAT WAS INTERESTING.
[04:34] AND, IN SOME WAYS, I SAW WHAT
[04:34] LARRY WAS TRYING TO DO
[04:35] WITH THAT.
[04:35] THAT WAS A GOOD MOVE.
[04:36] >> Kevin: WHAT WAS HE TRYING
[04:37] TO DO?
[04:38] [ LAUGHTER ]
[04:39] I DIDN'T SEE IT.
[04:41] >> JAY, FOR US BASKETBALL
[04:42] PEOPLE, ONE SECOND.
[04:43] HE WAS TRYING TO --
[04:44] [ LAUGHTER ]
[04:46] [ APPLAUSE ]
[04:50] HE WAS TRYING TO KEEP PRESSURE
[04:52] ON THE TEAM AND TRYING TO MAKE
[04:53] US TURN THAT BASKETBALL OVER.
[04:55] WHICH HIS TEAM DID SO WELL WAS
[04:57] KEEP PRESSURE ON THE BALL
[04:58] AND PRESSURE ON THE PLAYERS.
[04:59] AND HE KNEW THAT DIKEMBE
[05:01] COULDN'T GET OUT AND PRESSURE
[05:02] ROBERT HORRY, WHO WAS
[05:03] MY REPLACEMENT WHEN SHAQ
[05:04] FOULED OUT.
[05:05] SO HE WANTED PRESSURE
[05:07] ON THE BASKETBALL FOR THAT
[05:07] DEFENSIVE --
[05:08] >> Jay: THAT CLEAR NOW?
[05:10] [ LAUGHTER ]
[05:11] >> IT WASN'T LONG, BUT IT WAS
[05:12] JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME.
[05:14] HEY, I WENT TO PAT'S AND HAD
[05:16] A CHILLY -- I MEAN, A PHILLY
[05:17] CHEESESTEAK.
[05:18] A CHILLY CHEESESTEAK.
[05:19] >> Kevin: IT'S BETTER THAN
[05:20] A CORN DOG.
[05:21] >> Jay: I WANNA ASK
[05:21] YOU ABOUT BEING SUPERSTITIOUS
[05:22] AND, LIKE, FENG SHUI.
[05:23] LET'S TAKE A BREAK.
[05:23] MORE WITH PHIL RIGHT AFTER THIS.
[05:24] BE RIGHT BACK WITH PHIL JACKSON.
[05:25] [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]@@ ADD@@`
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