A note about the "Larsen" Debora Expedition members:
The Miss SERENE LARSEN on the Debora could well be Serene Olsdtr B1838-12-20 the older sister of Sivert Andersen Hordnes' widow, Marie Elisabeth Olsdtr.who married her second cousin Fredrik Johan Larsen (Lervig - Leervig - Lervik). Fredrik Johan Larsen later adopted the three sons of Sivert Andersen Hordnes. They were three of the "Larsen" children on the Debora. Their names were Angele Edvard Sivertsen and the twins Emil Sivertsen, and Sigvart Sivertsen. These three boys later used the surname of their stepfather Fredrik Johan Larsen. Miss Serene Olsdtr could have used the name "Larsen" as she may have been part of the Larsen family on the Debora. This could account for yet another Debora passenger. See the listing for Serene Olsdtr B1838-12-20 coloured green below.
Tuesday, 24 february, 1998
From: FNDB-INFO <fndbred@online.no>
CC: "'yngve.nedrebo@sab.riksarkivet.dep.telemax.no'" <yngve.nedrebo@sab.riksarkivet.dep.telemax.no>
Dear David Larsen,
Thanks for your answer
About your question: I've got some databases from YN. But they are written from the church books letter by letter.
I've normed the parents name in the bapt.file and then it was "easy" to sort them into families.
Then I numbered the marr.file and connected the to files into a base.
Now I've worked very hard to place the unnormed marriages to the correct normed "bapt." families and copy the marr- numbers to the bapt. children.
Most of the job is done. But there are some marr. we cannot find in Askøy. I now work to find some of them i Bergen DK and Aarstad (SJ/AA).
I hope the job is 90% done during the summer. After that SAB have to take the job to find the rest of the marr.
Hope you understand.
Finally the base will be free at the new Digi-archive, but as you know, we still have a work to do.
But if you have any questions, please ask - and I'll try to find it out.
I also have the census 1801, 1865 and wait for 1875 and 1900.
I also have the list of the dead persons in Askøy and Aarstad mostly 1700-1915.
Regards,
Bjørn Davidsen Arendal
Hi, Mr. Larsen,
Now I've got the connection between FJL and MES. (Fredrik Johan Larsen and Marie Elizabeth Sivertsdtr)
The meeting-point is John Sjursen (Siursen).
He had Siri Johnsdtr. who got Sivert Olsen
(Maries Elizabeth's father) and
he had Johannes who got Petrikke Marie Johannesdtr.
(Fredrik Johan's mother)
Regards,
Bjørn Davidsen Arendal - You'll find all of the information in the attached files ( See below)
Fredrik Johan Larsen Note: AS=Askøy
parents:
1. marr.:
AS1485,0,,Lars,Findsen,Florvaag,Uk skoleholder,Hoop,22,Pige,Marthe,Eriksdatter,nordre Gjellestad,Fanøe Sogn,45,,,0806,1840)
2. marr.:
AS1589,0,,Lars,Findsen,Leervig,Em bygselm skoleh.,Hop,26 3/4,Pige,Petriche Marie,Johannesdtr.,,Stølen,26,,,2704,1845
AS1589,1,AS,Lars,Findsen,Leervig,,Petrikke Marie
Johannesdtr,,,Enkemand Skoleholder,Fridrick Johan,2403,0604,1845
AS1589,2,AS,Lars,Findsen,Leervig,,,,,Petrikke Marie Johannesdtr,,,,Bygselmand,Johannes
Andreas,1107,0208,1846
AS1589,3,AS,Lars,Findsen,Leervaag,,,,,Petrikke Marie Johannesdtr,,,,Gaardmand,Johan
Olai,1602,0503,1848
AS1589,4,AS,Lars,Findsen,Leervig,,,,,Petrikke Marie Johannesdtr,,,,Bygselmand,Berte
Marie,2908,0209,1849
AS1589,5,AS,Lars,Findsen,Leervig,,,,,Petrikke Marie Johannesdtr,,,,Gaardmand,Ane
Johanne,0801,1502,1852
AS1589,6,AS,Lars,Findsen,Leervig,,,,,Petrikke Marie Johannesdtr,,,,Gaardmand,Lars
Marthin,0806,2606,1853
AS1589,7,AS,Lars,Findsen,Leervig,,,,,Petrikke Marie Johannesdtr,,,,Gaardbruger,Martha
Marie,1303,2403,1856
AS1589,8,AS,Lars,Findsen,Leervig,,,,,Petrikke Marie Johannesdtr,,,,Gardbruger,Petrike
Marie,0106,2006,1858
grand-parents:
AS0962,0,,Find,Larsen,Hop,Uk,,30,Pige,Berthe,,Hop,,27,,,1204,1818
AS0962,1,AS,Find,Larsen,Hop,,,,,Birte Monsdtr,,,,Tienere,Lars,0707,1207,1818
AS0962,2,AS,Find,Larsen,Sætre ved Hop,,,,,Birte Monsdtr,,,,Pagter,Mons,0210,0510,1821
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1. marr.:
AS0775,0,,Johannes,Johnsen,Schaalevignæs,Uk,,,Pige,Rachel,Olsdatter,Loddefiord,,,,,1204,1812
AS0775,1,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Schaalevignæs,,,,,Rakel Olsdtr,,,,,John Olai,0609,,1812
2. marr.:
AS0812,0,,Johannes,Johnsen,Skaalevignæs,Enkemand,,,Pige,Marthe,Olsdatter,Stølen,,,,,0101,1815
AS0812,1,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Marte Olsdtr,,,,,Rachel
Andrine,1209,,1815
3. marr.:
AS0933,0,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,Enkemand,,28,Pige,,Johannesdtr.,Hollen,,21,,,0607,1817 (DVL note Ane = Anne)
AS0933,1,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Selveier,Ole
Martines,0804,1204,1818
AS0933,2,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne
Johannesdtr,,,,Jordeier,Pettreche Marie,1804,0205,1819
AS0933,3,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Selveier,Berthe
Johanne,1001,1401,1821
AS0933,4,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Medhjelper,Martines,0801,1901,1823
AS0933,5,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Medhjelper,Rachel
Martine,0206,1306,1824
AS0933,6,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Selveier,Johannes
Andreas,0508,1408,1825
AS0933,7,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Søndre Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,gaardmand,Martines,0703,1803,1827
AS0933,8,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,,Marthe Marie,2805,0806,1828
AS0933,9,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Gaardmand,Martinus
Andreas,2304,0205,1830
AS0933,10,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Gaardmand,Rasmus
Olai,2302,1803,1832
AS0933,11,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Gaardmand,Sivert
Johan,2404,0805,1834
AS0933,12,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Gaardmand,Magnus
Christopher,0603,3103,1836
AS0933,13,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Gaardbruger,Andreas
Michael,2802,1803,1838
AS0933,14,AS,Johannes,Johnsen,Stølen,,,,,Anne Johannesdtr,,,,Gaardbruger,Elias
Olai,1705,1306,1841
Grand-grand parents and so on:
AS0302,0,John,Siursen,Pladsen,,,,Pige,Marthe,Michelsdtr.,Schaalevig,,,Kirkebok for Askøy A1 fol. 266a.,,1401,1776
AS0302,1,John,Siursen,Schaalevig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Michel,2104,,1776
AS0302,2,John,Siursen,Schaalevig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Siri,0807,,1778
AS0302,3,John,Siursen,Olsvig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Siur,2805,,1780
AS0302,4,John,Siursen,Schaalevig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Lars,1602,,1783
AS0302,5,John,Siursen,Schaalevignes,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Martinus,1809,,1785
AS0302,6,John,Siursen,Schaalevignes,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Elias,0203,,1788
AS0302,7,John,Siursen,Hetlevig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Johannes,
2612,,1790
AS0302,8,John,Siursen,Hetlevig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Abel,0707,,1793
AS0302,9,John,Siursen,Hetleviig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Marthe Lisbeth,2905,,1796
His father?:
I don’t know, but it may by an immigrant from somewhere at the West-coast. Perhaps he is a young brother of my Johannes Lassesen, born 1686 somewhere I don’t know. I can’t find them married in Askøy/Aarstad/Bergen DK, therefore they can have married an other place and got John before they came to Pladsen (at Askøy)
AS0091,1,Sjur,Lassesen,Pladsen,,,,,Serenne Jonsdtr,,,,,Ingeborg,1011,,1754
AS0091,2,Sjur,Lassesen,Pladsen,,,,,Serenne Jonsdtr,,,,,Rachel,1912,,1756
AS0091,3,Sjur,Lassesen,Platzen,,,,,Serenne Jonsdtr,,,,,Birte,1604,,1759
AS0091,4,Sjur,Lassesen,Platzen,,,,,Serenne Jonsdtr,,,,,Birte,2202,,1761
AS0091,?,Sjur,Lassesen,Platzen,,,,,Serenne Olsdtr,,,,,Lars,0311,,1763
AS0091,?,Sjur,Lassesen,Platzen,,,,,Serenne Olsdtr,,,,,Rognald,0311,,1763
Her father:
AS0115,0,Michel,Larsøn,Steenswigen,Enkemand,,,Enke,Lisbet,Larsdatter,Giæringen,,,Kirkebok for Askøy A1 fol. 258b.,,2406,1755
AS0115,1,Mikal,Larsen,Giærningen,,,,,Lisbeth
Larsdtr,,,,,Martha Elisabeth,1910,,1755
AS0115,2,Mikal,Larsen,Schaalevig,,,,,Lisbeth Larsdtr,,,,,Anne Karina,2503,,1760
AS0115,3,Mikal,Larsen,Schaalevig,,,,,Lisbeth Larsdtr,,,,,Kari,0706,,1763
AS0115,4,Mikal,Larsen,Schaalevig,,,,,Lisbeth Larsdtr,,,,,Lars,0801,,1765
AS0115,5,Mikal,Larsen,Schaalevig,,,,,Lisbeth Larsdtr,,,,,Lars,2311,,1766
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Ane Johannesdtr.’s parents:
(DVL note Ane = Anne - the name was spelt this way only once in the marriage
line entry)
AS0512,0,Johannes,Olsen,Haalen,Uk,,,Pige,Berthe,Michelsdtr.,,,,Kirkebok for Askøy A1 fol. 144b.,,....,1793
AS0512,1,Johannes,Olsen,Haalen,,,,,Birte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Ole Michael,2403,,1793
AS0512,2,Johannes,Olsen,Haalen,,,,,Birte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Martines,2801,,1795
AS0512,3,Johannes,Olsen,Haalen,,,,,Birte Mikkelsdtr,,,,Tvilling,Anne,2202,,1797
- (DVL note: Twin?)
AS0512,4,Johannes,Olsen,Haalen,,,,,Birte Mikkelsdtr,,,,Tvilling,Marthe,2202,,1797
- (DVL note: Twin?)
AS0512,5,Johannes,Olsen,Haalen,,,,,Birte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Martibnes,2508,,1799
AS0512,6,Johannes,Olsen,Haalen,,,,,Birte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Maria,1701,,1802
AS0512,7,Johannes,Olsen,Haalen,,,,,Birte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Berthe Maria,1206,,1803
AS0512,8,Johannes,Olsen,Halen,,,,,Birte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Olene,2804,,1805
AS0512,9,Johannes,Olsen,Haalen,,,,,Birte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Rachel,2012,,1807
DVL NOTE:
See next section for a note that reads (Debora's Serene Larsen?)
Michael Fisk wrote on the 30th April, 1998 "Serene Larsen was CYRENE SOLBAKKEN states Serverin Bang. She was the sister of Mrs Fredrik Larsen. She later married a Captain Olsen who soon after died of fever."
The Miss Serene Larsen on the Debora could well be Serene Olsdtr B1838-12-20 the older sister to the Sivert Andersen Hordnes' widow, Marie Elisabeth Elisabeth Olsdtr who married her second cousin Fredrik Johan Larsen (Lervig - Leervig - Lervik). Fredrik Johan Larsen later adopted the three sons of Sivert Andersen Hordnes. They were three of the "Larsen" children on the Debora. Their names were Angele Edvard Sivertsen and the twins Emil Sivertsen, and Sigvart Sivertsen. These three boys later used the surname of their stepfather Fredrik Johan Larsen. Sigvart was my grandfather.
END OF NOTE by David Victor Larsen (DVL)
Marie Elizabeth Sivertsdtr.
Here you have the parents, grandparents and s.o. for Marie as well as information on her family connection to Fredrik Johan Larsen !!! - the common ancestors being John Sjursen (Siursen) and his wife Marthe Michelsdtr. (See Kirkebok for Askøy A1 fol. 266a 1401,1776)
parents:
(Her mother was from Kristiansand (70 km from my livingplace Arendal), just east of Cape Lindesnes at "the bottom" of Norway)
AS1333,0,Sivert,Olsen,Nygaardsvig,Uk matros,,25,Pige,Berthe Severine,Torkelsdtr.,,Christiansand,28,,,2612,1832
AS1333,1,Sivert,Olsen,Nygaardvig,,,,,Birte Serenne Andreasdtr,,,,Matros,Trine
Andrea,1709,1310,1833
AS1333,2,Sivert,Olsen,Nygaardsvig,,,,,Serenne Torkildsdtr,,,,Matros,Ole,0611,2012,1835
AS1333,3,Sivert,Olsen,Nygaardsvig,,,,,Serenne
Torkildsdtr,,,,Matros Hjemmedøbt 15/12,Serene,1512,2012,1838
(Debora's Serene Larsen?)
AS1333,4,Sivert,Olsen,Nygaardsvig,,,,,Birte Serenne Tønnesdtr,,,,,Rakel,0201,0603,1842
AS1333,5,Sivert,Olsen,Nyegaardsvig,,,,,Serenne
Tørkildsdtr,,,,Huusmand Jægtefører,Marie Elisabeth,2008,0109,1844
AS1333,6,Sivert,Olsen,Nyegaardsvig,,,,,Birte Serenne Olsdtr,,,,Matros,Sivert
Berntin,2304,0705,1848
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Siverts parents:
AS0655,0,Ole,Pedersen,Gravdahl,Uk,,,Pige,Sirie,Jonsdatter,Hethlevig,,,,,0910,1803
AS0655,1,Ole,Pedersen,Hethlevig,,,,,Serenne Johnsdtr,,,,,Marthe Serene,0605,,1804
AS0655,2,Ole,Pedersen,Nyegaardsvig,,,,,Serenne
Johnsdtr,,,,,Sivert,1204,,1807
AS0655,3,Ole,Pedersen,Glædensgaard,,,,,Serenne Johnsdtr,,,,,Petter,2409,,1809
AS0655,4,Ole,Pedersen,Nyegaardsvig,,,,,Serenne Johnsdtr,,,,,Juliane
Maria,1902,,1812
AS0655,5,Ole,Pedersen,Nyegaardsvig,,,,,Serenne Johnsdtr,,,,,Elias,1201,,1815
AS0655,6,Ole,Pedersen,Nygaardsviig,,,,,Serenne Johnsdtr,,,,Huusmand,Abigael,2004,,1817
AS0655,7,Ole,Pedersen,Nyggardsviigen,,,,,Serenne Johnsdtr,,,,Huusmand,Elisabeth,0510,1010,1819
AS0655,8,Ole,Pedersen,Nyegaardsvigen,,,,,Serenne Johnsdtr,,,,Huusmand,John,2911,0312,1820
The onliest Ole Pedersen in 1801 i Askøy (unmarried and in age for marr. 1803) is the son of the following.
Sirie Jonsdtr. (Serenne Johnsdtr) is, I', sure, daughter og John Sjursen (Siursen) - the Sigri Johnsdtr who was living in S. Hetlevig 1801.
Ole may have crossed the fiord to work in Gravdal after 1801, and from
Gravdal to S. Hetlevig the distance is short.
To check if it's correct, you have to study the churchbook and some
other registers. But I'll be very suprised if it's not your Ole. And!:
Sivert had a girl named Rakel (Rachel). I'm 99% sure!
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Siri's parents:
AS0302,0,John,Siursen,Pladsen,,,,Pige,Marthe,Michelsdtr.,Schaalevig,,,Kirkebok for Askøy A1 fol. 266a.,,1401,1776
AS0302,1,John,Siursen,Schaalevig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Michel,2104,,1776
AS0302,2,John,Siursen,Schaalevig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Siri,0807,,1778
AS0302,3,John,Siursen,Olsvig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Siur,2805,,1780
AS0302,4,John,Siursen,Schaalevig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Lars,1602,,1783
AS0302,5,John,Siursen,Schaalevignes,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Martinus,1809,,1785
AS0302,6,John,Siursen,Schaalevignes,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Elias,0203,,1788
AS0302,7,John,Siursen,Hetlevig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Johannes,2612,,1790
AS0302,8,John,Siursen,Hetlevig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Abel,0707,,1793
AS0302,9,John,Siursen,Hetleviig,,,,,Marte Mikkelsdtr,,,,,Marthe Lisbeth,2905,,1796
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Ole's parents?:
AS0246,0,Peder,Andersen,Quithougnæsset?,,,,Pige,Rachel,Olsdtr.,Krogaas,,,Kirkebok for Askøy A1 fol. 264a.,,1604,1770
AS0246,1,Peder,Andersen,Krogaas,,,,,Rakel Olsdtr,,,,,Else,2405,,1770
AS0246,2,Peder,Andersen,Krogaas,,,,,Rakel Olsdtr,,,,,Kari,1501,,1772
AS0246,3,Peder,Andersen,Krogaas,,,,,Rakel Olsdtr,,,,,Anne Malene,2703,,1774
AS0246,4,Peder,Andersen,Krogaas,,,,,Rakel Olsdtr,,,,,Anders,1511,,1775
AS0246,5,Peder,Andersen,Krogaas,,,,,Rakel Olsdtr,,,,,Ole,1511,,1778
AS0246,6,Peder,Andersen,Krogaas,,,,,Rakel Olsdtr,,,,,Niels,2502,,1781
AS0246,7,Peder,Andersen,Krogaas,,,,,Rakel Olsdtr,,,,,Tønnes,1311,,1782
AS0246,8,Peder,Andersen,Korgaas,,,,,Rakel Olsdtr,,,,,Malehne,1806,,1786
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Rachels parents (married before Askøy church was build in 1742)
DK01669,0,,Ole Michelsen,Gunile Siursd.,ungk. bonde e.,i frop,,1201,1738
DK01669,1?,AS,Ole,Mikkelsen,Krogaas,,,,,Gunhild Siursdtr,,,,,Martha,2810,,1742
DK01669,2?,AS,Ole,Mikkelsen,Krogaas,,,,,Gunhild
Siursdtr,,,,,Rachel,1405,,1745
http://www.norway.org/culthist.htm - See reference to tracing
ancestors and Yngve Nedrebø
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The E-mail messages and notes copied below give background information regarding the source of the above information.
Subject: Debora
Date: 25 Jan 1998 09:26:01 Z
From: Yngve Nedrebø <Yngve.Nedrebo@SAB.Riksarkivet.dep.telemax.no>
To: salbu@safrica.comMr. Viggo Fosse told me about your homepage and all the information you have on the Debora Expedition.
I have been searching for information about Debora, and the people emigrating with her, and I found a lot of useful information.
I hope I can give you a few facts in return:
Sivert Andersen, age 32, and Sivert Olsen Nygaardsvig, age 62, were lost at sea
Feb. 27, 1869 in a "Strong Storm". Their bodies were never found.Sept. 10, 1871 the widow Marie Elisabeth Olsen married Frederik Johan Larsen,
age 26, and the son of Lars Findsen Lervig.They had a daughter Petra Benedikte Feb. 3, 1872. A son Ludvig Nov. 3, 1873,
another Ludvig born Jan. 10, 1875.Fredrik Johan Larsen Lervig and Cathrine Marie Tollefsdatter had (out-of- wedlock) got a daughter Cathrine Johanne March 8, 1866, but the child died Jan. 29, 1869.
Fredrik Johan was born March 24, 1845, and was baptized (Askøy) April 6, 1845.
He was the oldest of eight children.
Sincerely
Yngve Nedrebø
National Archives,
Regional State Archives of Bergen-----------------------------
Subject: Debora and the Larsen-family
Date: 31 Jan 1998 10:56:42 Z
From: Yngve Nedrebø <Yngve.Nedrebo@SAB.Riksarkivet.dep.telemax.no>
To: salbu@safrica.comDear Sir,
I have bee fascinated by the Norwegian emigration over a long periode of time. In
1979 I wrote about the internal migration in Western Norway 1650-1850 for my M.A.,
and I have also written "How to trace your ancestors" for the Norwegian Ministry of
Foreign Affairs to help genealogists abroad tracing their Norwegian roots.Ten years ago I was asked to write about "Debora", but did not find
enough material in our archives to do it. Over the last ten years we have been in
contact with 8 of lines of descendants, in Paris, Norway, America, England,
Australia and South-Africa, so it is obvious the emigrants on "Debora" really
entered the world.The information about the Larsens I sent you a week ago is all found in
the Askøyparish register number A 9 (1863-1877):
Deaths of Sivert Olsen and Sivert Andersen on page 217b, numbers 12 and 13,
death of the child Cathrine Johanne on page 262b, number 7, marriage of Marie Elisabeth
and Fredrik Johan Larsen on page 189b, number 27, birth of Ludvig Nov. 3, 1873 on page
148b, number 78, and the second Ludvig, born Jan. 10, 1875 on page 153d,
number 11.In 1875 we find this family in Krohnviken, Aarstad, consisting of Fredrik Johan Larsen Lervik (son of Lars Findsen Lervig), his wife Marie Elisabeth Olsdtr and children Angele Edvard Sivertsen, Emil Sivertsen, Sigvart Sivertsen, Petra Bendikte and Ludvig, born 1875.
Sincerely
Yngve Nedrebø.
-------dvl notes-----------
Marie was born the 20th of August 1844 - she was the daughter of Captain Sivert Olsen, who, together with his wife Severine Torelsdtr Nygaardsvig, were tenants on a smallish part of a big farm, Nygaardsvig, now a suburb of Bergen. Sivert and his father-in-law were boat builders (sic).
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Herring season - No big schoolsThis January, "opening night was pretty good. Guys got five, six or seven tons," Maffucci said. "Since then there just haven't been big schools. You get three tons if you're lucky."
So are fishermen hanging their nets out to dry?
"Around mid-February most of the fish quit coming into the bay anyway," Maffucci said.
"Already fishermen are not watching the bay as much as they have been. By next week we may just let the season go and hope for the best next year."
- Anne Baker
Bjørn Davidsen Arendal wrote: