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Cordelia
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posted 12-05-2000 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cordelia   Click Here to Email Cordelia     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
See what I mean, Kate is a total bitca!!!
Hello?! She had Angel arrested!!! For the Love of God, see through her facade and find the real bitch inside ( believe me you wont have to look very hard!!!)
It feels good to be back and kicking some ass!!!!!!!

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Whistler
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posted 12-05-2000 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Whistler   Click Here to Email Whistler     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I wondered how long it would be before you posted!

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Nox
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posted 12-05-2000 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nox     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote

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Byron
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posted 13-05-2000 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Byron   Click Here to Email Byron     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Anyone who's read my posts will know I really don't go in for hating a character, but I agree with Cordelia 100%! Kate was a complete bitch tonight, and the way she treated Angel was appalling! I was really freaked out when she threatened to have Angel burnt alive! (Plus, she sounded like she meant it! )

In the past, I've tried to explain away her hostility to Angel because of her unease with the supernatural, but this just doesn’t wash any more. If she's acting like Mulder, and seeking out supernatural cases left, right & centre, then surely she must be able to accept the paranormal world!

I really hope Joss is going somewhere with this! Because currently, I just want to see that bloke from 'Gladiator' do the 'double sword move' on her! (Those who've seen the film will know what I mean!)

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Keenangel
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posted 13-05-2000 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keenangel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt last night guys, but as soon as the sarcasm started to flow "I'm doing my job- detecting" and then the remark about putting Angel in the cell with a view of the sunrise so he could burn? Not a good idea! If she is going to be in any further eps, they really need to soften her up just a little bit. That attitude is such a cliche!

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Alex
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posted 13-05-2000 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alex   Click Here to Email Alex     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Well, I was quite sympathetic to Kate in this episode
--ducks, takes cover--

She's seeking out all the paranormal cases because she's trying to stop other cops getting eaten because they don't know what they're dealing with. That doesn't mean she should start trusting vampires!
And when she finds out Angel is hiding a murderer, how is she supposed to get him to talk without threatening him?

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Keenangel
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posted 13-05-2000 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keenangel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Alex, I really don't think Kate knows what she is dealing with either, and blanking Angel at every possible opportunity isn't going to help either. If she would unbend just a little, maybe Angel could help her or teach her more about the ways and what-nots of the demon/vampire world. Plus she can't get over her father's death, which she holds Angel responsible for. (He couldn't save him because her father wouldn't invite him in)

And we all know that Angel would have rather burned than tell Kate where Faith was, so it was just as well Faith turned herself in!

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Nox
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posted 13-05-2000 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nox     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Alex I'm with you. She wasn't actually going to fry Angel, she was trying to get him to give up Faith who, to Kate, was nothing more than another fugitive.

Like many of the characters in Buffy and Angel, Kate needs a certain amount of control in her life. The control she previously had has been knocked out of the ball-park by her violent introduction to the supernatural underground of LA and the death of her father. When you lose your only family and all the comforting lies of your life have been stripped away, you need to get some control back, and that's what she's doing by trying to meet her monsters on her own terms.

Stepping back from the show, I would have thought her behaviour in this show would have comforted everyone who thought Kate was going to replace Buffy in Angel's heart. An A/K relationship does not seem at all predestined, in fact the show has been moving farther and farther away from it. More than that, Kate is developing an identity independent of being Angel's love interest, making her a character in her own right and thereby making an A/K relationship even less likely.

Sanctuary should have pleased both the people who don't want Kate as Angel's love interest and the people who want Kate to have an rounded character. The only people who have a right to be miffed are those very few A/K shippers o-ut there (sorry guys, maybe next season ).

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AxB
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posted 13-05-2000 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AxB   Click Here to Email AxB     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Just a thought.. if Kate continues to chase the supernatural (as she's apparently been doing), won't she get recruited by the Iniative? Or the Watcher's Council?

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Cordelia
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posted 13-05-2000 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cordelia   Click Here to Email Cordelia     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Spare me the analytical psycho babble (no offense)!!! Kate is a bitch, end of story, you don't need to go any deeper than that.
'Kate is a bitch' that's all I need to hear.

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Cordelia
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posted 13-05-2000 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cordelia   Click Here to Email Cordelia     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Spare me the analytical psycho babble (no offense)!!! Kate is a bitch, end of story, you don't need to go any deeper than that.
'Kate is a bitch' that's all I need to hear.

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Cordelia
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posted 13-05-2000 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cordelia   Click Here to Email Cordelia     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Spare me the analytical psycho-babble (no offense).
Kate is a bitch, that's all I need to hear.
I mean 'God!What is her childhood trauma?!'

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Cordelia
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posted 13-05-2000 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cordelia   Click Here to Email Cordelia     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
That sop went wrong!!!!!!!
Apologies for being my usual bitchy self twice!!!

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lizzieslayer
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posted 13-05-2000 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizzieslayer   Click Here to Email lizzieslayer     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
when I read the subject I guessed who u were talking about! I hate her 2! She was so mean, I was thinking wow a few eps back she wouldn't of done that. But then again she wouldn't of known he was a vamp.

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Nox
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posted 13-05-2000 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nox     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Cordelia
Actually three times... but who's counting.

Thanks for bringing the argument down to the LCD.

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Joe
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posted 14-05-2000 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe   Click Here to Email Joe     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I can see the two worlds Kate has to reconcile leading her to quit the force (now she doesn't have to live up to her old man) and eventually joining Angel's Gang, although obviously a lot of water will have to pass under the bridge before *that* rapproachment.
Or, then again, she might just get killed by a vamp, or sired and then staked by Angel.

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Mr_Pointy
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posted 14-05-2000 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr_Pointy   Click Here to Email Mr_Pointy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
God I hate Kate! Why isn't SHE dead yet?!

(P.S. How do you quote people? And get little smilies in the middle of posts? I've never sussed it out)

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Whistler
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posted 14-05-2000 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Whistler   Click Here to Email Whistler     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
It's going to take a long time for Kate to accept Angel. She's obviously now on some kind of personal quest for vengeance. Any strange crime she's going to investigate in the hope that she can can get some kind of revenge on any vampires she comes across. Give her a break, she's suffered a huge trauma and she's trying to deal with it the only way she knows how. Yes, she was harsh with Angel but she's dealing with the situation in the only way she knows how to.

She needs help just as much as Faith did. I get the impression that if it wasn't the 'beloved' Angel she was crossing swords with I doubt if she would be such a target for all this hatred!

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Tess
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posted 14-05-2000 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tess   Click Here to Email Tess     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Give Cordelia a break. She is just pointing out the obvious- Kates a nightmare!!!!

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Nox
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posted 14-05-2000 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nox     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tess:
Give Cordelia a break. She is just pointing out the obvious- Kates a nightmare!!!!

No. If Cordelia's allowed to hurl mindless abuse at a character, I'm allowed to say she's hurling mindless abuse at a character.

[This message has been edited by Nox (edited 14-05-2000).]

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Cordelia
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posted 14-05-2000 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cordelia   Click Here to Email Cordelia     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
And I quote 'mindless abuse'?! Well, that's just fine!!!
I can think of numerous comebacks but I'm not going to use them as the only person I enjoy insulting is Kate, and I don't want everyone to hate me and get kicked off the boards.
Just don't expect me to stop expressing my hatred towards Kate because I sure as hell wont. I think Kate is as irritating a sStephanie McMahon Helmsley, and that's saying something!!!!!!!

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Nox
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posted 14-05-2000 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nox     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
And I, also, can think of numerous ways to justify my evaluation of your comments on this thread. But, as you say, it would just get unpleasant.

I'm afraid I don't know of Stephanie McMahon Helmsley but I'm sure she is as irritating as you say she is.

I wait eagerly to see what happens the next time our blonde bone of contention appears on our screens

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StuStuStu
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posted 14-05-2000 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StuStuStu   Click Here to Email StuStuStu     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Forgive me for saying this, but she had Angel arrested for doing something illegal. One of the many illegal things she's witnessed him doing, in fact. She's been pretty lenient so far - allowing him to act as a PI without a license, allowing him to break and enter multiple times.

Maybe she wouldn't be so harsh on him if he weren't the most evil being every to have stalked the planet.

Let's face it - Angel is a vampire. She's had basically three experiences with vampires:

(1) Angel - mysterious guy, appears one day, and always when there's supernatural trouble.
(2) Serial Killer Guy - trained by.. Angel.
(3) Father's Death - When she gets there, who does she see?

Kate has been remarkably restrained so far. From all the things she's seen, it would be SO easy for her to issue a dawn raid on his offices, and drag him off to jail. Well, to about 3 feet outside his door, anyway.

And now she finds out that he's harbouring a known vicious killer with supernatural powers. For all Kate knows of Faith, she's killed before {hey, there's a warrant out!}, has left a trail of destruction across LA, and is about to do it again. Only this time she has her new associate - a vampire. And remember, vampires kill people.

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