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Vox
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posted 18-04-2000 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vox   Click Here to Email Vox     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Vampires and demons don't only exist in Sunnydale, they're all over the place. They're in LA, Faith mentioned facing a few around the US, Kakistos came from somewhere, Angelus, Darla, Spike and Drusilla have gone all round the world. But against this horde there is only a single Slayer (who doesn't really get around much) so how come the rest of the world hasn't been vamped?

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azrael
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posted 18-04-2000 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for azrael   Click Here to Email azrael     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
my take on it is that there are more people who are aware of it and they try to fight it goverments, just normal people who found out about vamps and other demons and turned demon hunters that or the vamps don't want there food supplie depleted.

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Alex
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posted 18-04-2000 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alex   Click Here to Email Alex     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I don't have an answer, instead another question. We know there have been -a lot- attempts to suck the world into hell, end all human life or otherwise bring about the acopalypse in 4 years (Acathla in Becoming, the Judge in Surprise/Innocence, opening the Hellmouth in Prophecy Girl, -and some spoilers for the BBC that I probably shouldn't have posted here, Sorry!-) If demons and vampires have been trying to do this for hundreds of years, why is the world still here? At one attempt per year or more, the demons have to get lucky one time before too long even if a slayer is always in the right place to stop them.

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yally
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posted 18-04-2000 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yally   Click Here to Email yally     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I think that there r vamps all over the world - just more on the hellmouth (in Sunnydale).

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yally
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posted 18-04-2000 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yally   Click Here to Email yally     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I think that there r vamps all over the world - just more on the hellmouth (in Sunnydale).

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yally
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posted 18-04-2000 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yally   Click Here to Email yally     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
And what with Azrael's point as well, the slayer is probably only really needed on the Hellmouth. (Unless of course some1 decides 2 make a new programme called Angel set in LA where vampires also run wild or if Buffy decides 2 leave town )

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MonSTeR
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posted 18-04-2000 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MonSTeR   Click Here to Email MonSTeR     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
In the episode "lie to me" Spike says something like "I've only known you 2 minutes and alrerady I can't stand you, I don't really see you living forever" From this the message I get is that they only Vamp out certain select individuals prefering to feed off the rest. ie you'd only sire your best pal or ...

Maybe there is some sort of limit to how many Vamps can be sired by any individual over any given period of time, thus severly limiting their population growth.

Maybe there's a rcognised code amoungst Vamps to limit there own population thus ensuring there are plenty of "happy meals" for everyone, Maybe the small local populations minimise the chance of the world at large finding out about them and doing something to wipe out the Vamps altogether

And I know that there are only 2 slayers but maybe there are guys who do it for fun cos say hunting Vamps is the only worthy sport, Maybe there's a guy who's family was killed by Vamps and is on a serious vengeance kick. Maybe there's a hero who slays cos he doesn't know about the slayers he just does it cos he knows "he" can make a difference. Maybe there's another gypsy tribe who pass down the vengeance quest from 7th son of a 7th son etc....

Maybe there's a MonSTeR in certain neighbourhoods who scares off all the Vamps..

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Byron
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posted 18-04-2000 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Byron   Click Here to Email Byron     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
A good example of how a government could be combating vampires can be seen in C4's recent (and much missed! ) series, Ultraviolet. (They had a cool way of slaying vamps, using guns that fired graphite bullets! Ouch!)

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MonSTeR
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posted 18-04-2000 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MonSTeR   Click Here to Email MonSTeR     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
But does that work on BtVS Vamps?

What exactly does kill a Vampire in BtVS?

Is it Sunlight or is it UV light? which are NOT one and the same thing.

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Thebigd_17
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posted 19-04-2000 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thebigd_17   Click Here to Email Thebigd_17     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I got answers to some of the points here but they'd be spoilers unfortunatly

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RedWitch
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posted 20-04-2000 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedWitch   Click Here to Email RedWitch     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MonSTeR:
What exactly does kill a Vampire in BtVS?

Is it Sunlight or is it UV light? which are NOT one and the same thing.



I'm guessing The Bronze (like most clubs) has UV lighting? Also BtVS vamps can go out in daylight, as long as they stay out of direct sunlight and I think UV can be reflected into shaded areas?
So it must be direct sunlight, not just UV.

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simpleton
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posted 20-04-2000 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for simpleton   Click Here to Email simpleton     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Byron:
A good example of how a government could be combating vampires can be seen in C4's recent (and much missed! ) series, Ultraviolet. (They had a cool way of slaying vamps, using guns that fired graphite bullets! Ouch!)

Ultraviolet was great, i wish they would repeat it!!

As for the topic question i think its a bit strange why there is only one slayer in the world at a time (another lack of very good pre-thinking about the whole mythology by Joss before the series started??) i mean if there is meant to be this whole watcher's council here in the UK then why only one slayer? a whole army of them around the world would seem more logical surely?

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Trinity
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posted 20-04-2000 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trinity   Click Here to Email Trinity     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by simpleton:
As for the topic question i think its a bit strange why there is only one slayer in the world at a time (another lack of very good pre-thinking about the whole mythology by Joss before the series started??) i mean if there is meant to be this whole watcher's council here in the UK then why only one slayer? a whole army of them around the world would seem more logical surely?

Oh dear. I haven't been paying proper attention. That's what I thought was going on - Slayers in training and doing stuff all over the world, and that was where Kendra and Faith came from. Actually, if there's only one Slayer, how do those two know what they're doing, and what's with all the Watchers? Or does a Watcher not have to have a Slayer to watch over?
Oh dear. Feeling very dim now. <goes to stand in corner with dunce's hat on>

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MonSTeR
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posted 20-04-2000 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MonSTeR   Click Here to Email MonSTeR     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Huh?!?!? Good point Trin' How come Kendra was trained and Buffy wasn't? Or is that in the movie thing where Buffy's first watcher say's it took him ages to find her or something?!?!?!

And I guess maybe the watchers watch out for potential "Slayers to be" so they need lots of them to watch for where the next one will come from????

And was Faith trained? like for 3 months when B. was A. in L.A. ?!?!?
Is there like a door to a room where Slayers "are being trained like in a James Bond Movie" (thanks Wayne )

I know that Slayers are supposed to have natural agility etc when do they get "all" their "powers". But can someone else fill me in or else Trinity and I are going to be stuck in class on Saturday morning!! (It's not that I don't want to be stuck with Trinity, It's that I don't want to be stuck in class on a weekend )

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Trinity
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posted 21-04-2000 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trinity   Click Here to Email Trinity     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MonSTeR:
...But can someone else fill me in or else Trinity and I are going to be stuck in class on Saturday morning!! (It's not that I don't want to be stuck with Trinity, It's that I don't want to be stuck in class on a weekend )

Yes, can someone explain what looks like a plot-hole here (as in, if Kendra and Faith were Slayers in training then arent' they Slayers without the badge & therefore B isn't the only one really...and if there are Slayers in training, how come Buffy didn't get the privilege and had to learn on the job (if I'm remembering the film rightly)...?!)
Because detention doesn't appeal! (it's okay, MonSTeR, I know what you mean!)

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Vox
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posted 24-04-2000 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vox   Click Here to Email Vox     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MonSTeR:
Huh?!?!? Good point Trin' How come Kendra was trained and Buffy wasn't? Or is that in the movie thing where Buffy's first watcher say's it took him ages to find her or something?!?!?!

The movie speaks of a Slayer mark that the Watchers use to identify girls who have the potential to become Slayers (who I call proto-slayers). Merrick says that Buffy had her mark removed somehow, this is why she wasn't actually found until the previous Slayer died and she was activated.

quote:
Originally posted by MonSTeR:
And was Faith trained? like for 3 months when B. was A. in L.A. ?!?!?

Faith was trained under her previous Watcher, we don't know whether the Watcher found her before or after she was activated (on Kendra's death).

quote:
Originally posted by MonSTeR:
Is there like a door to a room where Slayers "are being trained like in a James Bond Movie" (thanks Wayne )

From what Kendra said about her isolated upbringing and from the general Council attitude that each Watcher is pretty much a free agent it seems unlikely that proto-slayers have any contact with each other. All training is done 1 on 1 between each Watcher and proto-slayer.


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katy02
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posted 26-04-2000 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katy02   Click Here to Email katy02     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vox:
Vampires and demons don't only exist in Sunnydale, they're all over the place. They're in LA, Faith mentioned facing a few around the US, Kakistos came from somewhere, Angelus, Darla, Spike and Drusilla have gone all round the world. But against this horde there is only a single Slayer (who doesn't really get around much) so how come the rest of the world hasn't been vamped?

Okay, but what about the watchers council, they no 'bout vamps and stuff, so maybe they lay 'em.

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Nox
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posted 26-04-2000 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nox     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katy02:
what about the watchers council, they no 'bout vamps and stuff, so maybe they lay 'em.


*Adolescent snigger*

Rarely are typos so amusing.

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Connavar
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posted 29-04-2000 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Connavar   Click Here to Email Connavar     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
ditto with the sniggering
huhu..she said lay, huhu

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STEFF
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posted 30-04-2000 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for STEFF   Click Here to Email STEFF     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
huh...boys

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