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Idiot Jed
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posted 18-05-2000 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Idiot Jed   Click Here to Email Idiot Jed     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Just rewatched Sanctuary. Is prison the right place for Faith? I was just thinking, barring of course the obvious fact that Eliza Dushku refused a permenant role in the series, wouldn't Faith be better of, and doing more to address her wrongs by fighting the forces of evil again?

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posted 19-05-2000 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vox   Click Here to Email Vox     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
The same thought occurred back in s3 when everyone assumed that the WC would lock up Faith for however many years. What's the point of a Slayer who's incapacitated for the rest of her life? And the WC wouldn't get another Slayer to mould to their ideals. In the same way, if Faith is looking at serious prison time (and I have an inkling that she'll be out of jail by some means or other within a year) then you have to wonder exactly what it's supposed to achieve. Slayers lead a violent lifestyle, keeping Faith artificially subdued for a while only to have her snap again once she goes out on patrol again is not going to be as good as training her to be able to cope with it on the job. The Slayers, both Buffy and Faith, live by their own law and they have their own, normally lethal, punishments for failure. The mortal justice system really isn't designed for them. It's a nice sop for the viewers who want to see Faith properly punished for what she's done but, as I said earlier, for the sake of the series, it's not going to be one which is properly followed through.

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posted 19-05-2000 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StuStuStu   Click Here to Email StuStuStu     Edit/Delete Message  11315396   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking about this earlier today - I don't think the W/C had it in mind to lock Faith up. Some re-training, sure {especially since Buffy was there, and still active with the council at the time}.

But I seriously think that if Faith had "taken the rap" then it wouldn't have been so bad as everyone assumes. Casualties of war, and all that.

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posted 19-05-2000 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASH   Click Here to Email ASH     Edit/Delete Message  n/a   Reply w/Quote
Personally I`m not sure prison is the place for her.I do think she had to take responsibility for her actions though before she could find redemption and I suppose her confession is her way of doing that.

My problem with it is that to survive in prison Faith will almost have to revert to the person she used to be.Let`s face it prisons are about a lot of things but rehabilitation aint one of `em

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posted 19-05-2000 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASH   Click Here to Email ASH     Edit/Delete Message  n/a   Reply w/Quote
Personally I`m not sure prison is the place for her.I do think she had to take responsibility for her actions though before she could find redemption and I suppose her confession is her way of doing that.

My problem with it is that to survive in prison Faith will almost have to revert to the person she used to be.Let`s face it prisons are about a lot of things but rehabilitation aint one of `em

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julz
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posted 25-05-2000 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for julz   Click Here to Email julz     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
I think that's almost the point. She has to be strong. Real Life as a PI is not a great place for a recovering vamp, but Angel has to deal.

Although I have to say, if we determine that Faith has to pay for her crimes in prison rather than fighting for Good to recompense the Powers That Be, why not Angel, who has done far more wrong?

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Joe
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posted 25-05-2000 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe   Click Here to Email Joe     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Because prison is not a practable punishment for any vampire, let alone one with a soul. Angel's chosen his method of atonement for his past sins.

practable = practical (yeesh, where did *that* come from??).

[This message has been edited by Joe (edited 26-05-2000).]

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posted 25-05-2000 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for julz   Click Here to Email julz     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
whereas it is for a slayer?

Although I see what you mean, what I am saying is more Faith shouldn't be in prison rather than Angel should. If Angel can atone for his crimes with his first, why no Faith?

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posted 25-05-2000 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for julz   Click Here to Email julz     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
first = fist

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killercoyote
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posted 25-05-2000 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for killercoyote   Click Here to Email killercoyote     Edit/Delete Message  70928569   Reply w/Quote
Firstly, Faith deserved to go to prison after what she did...sadly the Faith that is in prison now is not the Faith that went around beating people up and doing other such evils. I don't think prison could help her too much, except to serve as a punishment, which doesn't help anyone too much. So I don't think that Faith should be in prison, it serves no purpose...plus...I felt so sorry for her sitting there, no matter how peaceful she looked.

On the other hand, they could make a whole series of Faith in prison...it'd be great to watch her kick the ass of every wannabe hard case, yeah, I can see it now...

'Faith behind bars'

*stares dreamily into space*

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Joe
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posted 26-05-2000 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe   Click Here to Email Joe     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by julz:
whereas it is for a slayer?

Although I see what you mean, what I am saying is more Faith shouldn't be in prison rather than Angel should. If Angel can atone for his crimes with his first, why no Faith?


It's a practical punisment for a human, but for a Slayer? Perhaps not. It's arguable that Faith's moral lapse was connected to the unusual circumstance of two Slayers existing in close proximity, either for supernatural or psychological reasons.
Then too, even without Wolfram & Hart trying to silence her, Faith's physical strength is going to be noticed before long, which will lead to her being exploited, probably by the government. Prison wasn't a good move, although it couldn't be avoided in the end.

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Joe
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posted 26-05-2000 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe   Click Here to Email Joe     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Impressed by ED's acting skills, I checked to see how much work she'd done, and found this mini bio in IMDB:-

'Eliza Dushku was discovered at the end of a 5-month search throughout the United States for the perfect girl to play the lead role of Alice opposite Juliette Lewis in the film "That Night." Since then she has been in several films, and has worked with actors such as Robert DeNiro, Ellen Barkin, Leonardo DiCaprio, Paul Reiser, and Jim Belushi. Born in Boston on December 30, 1980, she has studied the piano, drums and dance (jazz, tap and ballet). Her previous acting experience includes numerous amateur presentations at the Watertown Children's Theatre where she has been part of the company since she was in first grade. In addition to acting, she sometimes is seen on stage at the Children's Theatre signing for the deaf.'

One versatile (and rather sweet) dame...

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posted 26-05-2000 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vox   Click Here to Email Vox     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Joe:

Then too, even without Wolfram & Hart trying to silence her, Faith's physical strength is going to be noticed before long, which will lead to her being exploited, probably by the government.

I don't think Wolfram and Hart are going to be too bothered about what Faith could say, after all who, officially, would believe her? If W&H aren't phased by the constant accusations of witness tampering then they're not going to worry over the charges of a borderline basket-case convict. They should be more worried about what Faith might do to them personally when she gets out, but once again, they have people to take care of things like that for them.

As to exploitation by the government, that might be a possibility. The same part of the government that sponsored the Initiative might also be interested in working out what makes a Slayer tick. They also might be especially on the look out for Slayers at the moment after Maggie Walsh reported their existence and one particular Slayer's attachment to a certain soldier-boy.

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