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Pilgrim Soul says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:59:34 2000 208.33.163.32)
Fury: Have you written another Angel episode?


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Fury says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:58:41 2000 205.188.200.32)
MOTORCYCLE AU PAIR BOY!!!

Now, we're done.


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carl says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:58:33 2000 209.240.200.146)
Fury see that? I did not forget.


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Vox says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:58:10 2000 131.111.8.68)
Salve
David Fury
I just wanted to respond to the rumours flying around the internet and I say that:

no matter how much Xander enjoyed playing soldier-boy in Halloween, Innocence & Graduation and no matter how much he feels he has no direction in his life at the moment, he should not ever even consider joining the army

If you get exactly what I mean and why I'm saying it ;)


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Fury says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:57:30 2000 205.188.200.32)
Carl... no.


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Motorcycle au pair Boy says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:56:59 2000 195.92.194.17)
Fury!!!

That is all...


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Fury says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:56:50 2000 205.188.200.32)
Sorry. Corina.


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Fury says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:56:19 2000 205.188.200.32)
I'm well, corrina. You? Yes, carl, the next original's mine.


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carl says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:56:00 2000 209.240.200.146)
Fury, short of words today? :)


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Fury says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:55:18 2000 205.188.200.32)
Hello, carl...vox...


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carl says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:55:09 2000 209.240.200.146)
Fury is the I in Team Feb 8th your BTVS #69? when is your next work?


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corina says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:54:57 2000 212.111.133.135)
sorry Fury didnt see you there, how r u?


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Masquerade says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:54:32 2000 128.218.111.104)
Ms. Alucard!!


John Steed: OK, I realize as I joke about it that Maggie could very well have an active sex life. I just got disgruntled at her all-work attitude, poking fun at Riley for being a romantic. I'm analytical and scientific, too, but I understand there is more to life than that and not all romanticism is blinding. It, and sex, are in fact the good things in life ultimately. Sure, we need to kill the demons to have a life, but if we don't snuggle with our hunnies after the demon slayage, what's the point?

Oh, and I spent New Year's Eve at the Embarcadero with every other member of humanity. And it is pretty expensive here, I guess. I don't notice on a day-to-day level, and that's coming from someone who moved out here recently after spending a couple years in the Midwest.

Vox: you found me out. It's Masquerade who really needs to get laid. Gawd, did I just say that on the board???

DSP: yeah, I never liked the narcissistic (sp) aspects to vampWillow's "lesbian" behavior. But she did behave that way to her female victims, too, which may indicate a simple openness of sexuality rather than "lesbianism" per se, but I don't think that's a vamp thing in general. It was a vampWillow thing, as far as we saw her.


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corina says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:54:09 2000 212.111.133.135)
dont you think it's about time that, Angel became human again so that he and buffy could get back together maybe:)


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Miz A says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:53:07 2000 209.99.60.92)
Uhhh, that would be synchronicity!


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Vox says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:52:03 2000 131.111.8.68)
Wahey, a VIP
There goes my posting limit!


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Ms. Alucard says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:52:01 2000 209.99.60.92)
DSP- Geez, my timing is crappy! It seems that our syncronicity is out of whack. Not only that, but I seem to have run everyone else off. Oh well, I'm not supposed to be here anyway. Gonna go clean my house. You owe me E. I might be back later.


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carl says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:51:29 2000 209.240.200.36)
Hello Fury!


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Fury says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:50:55 2000 205.188.200.32)
How 'bout that Jane Espenson, huh?


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Fury says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:49:52 2000 205.188.200.32)
...hello...


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not Rachie, 'cos she left... says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:44:37 2000 195.44.0.224)
John Steed: Not unless I'm developing a split personality...*g*

nR,'csl...
Asleep in bed. Honestly.


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SarahNicole says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:43:38 2000 165.91.66.202)
Snuggly blanket calling... Stop trapping me in here!

Rags Um, wow. That's disturbed, but in a Jossian way. So call it cool. Gee, now who's "mildly obsessed? ;-)

*so very very poofed*


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Destiny says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:43:09 2000 152.163.197.62)
Don't have time to scroll back and see all the theories about 730 and 314 but I have SPOILERISH DISCUSSION BELOW FOR A NEW MAN....
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Liked this ep, simply because of Giles and Spike. :)
Poor Giles...feeling a bit left out and washed up. GOT to get that boy a job. And could Buffy have been any less sympatic with that "Prof Walsh..ain't she great....yada yada..Forty years old...has better things to do than hang with teenagers..."
Usually she can say thoughtless things, but she catches them as soon as it's out of her mouth. This time it just went over her head. Riley is taking up waaaaay to much of her brain activity.
Like Riley, but that comment about "I've got orders not to take you with me." "This is a military operation now."
I'm with Giles....Hate Prof. Walsh with a passion. (Speaking of Passion, can we get Angelus back for just 30 min.? That should be all it takes...snap!)
Buffy needs to be careful. I don't like the fact that Riley and the others, all have master keys, can tap into the phone lines, can obviously track you by computer, and can make people disappear into a secret holding place in the desert. And we now know that it is a US Military organization. This spells trouble.
And I'm sorry, but I didn't like that comment from Riley, "Give me a week and I'll take you down." Just gives me the impression he can't really hack that Buffy is stronger than him.
And I like Riley...or at least I thought I was beginning to. Now I just have this creepy feeling about him. That comment from last weeks ep, about "I'd Never force you"...
I don't think that when the chips are down, he's gonna fall in on the Scooby side. Unless he has a major wake up call. He just seems to be so ingrained with that military follow the order training. too bad.
I also don't have much speculation on 314, (besides the room being what the demons fear) other than it also happens to be a Tuesday. :) So maybe something major is gonna happen on the ep that airs that day?
Could those other numbers that were on the side of the door 730?
I only saw 7 3, but the 0 could have been below it. Wouldn'tbe surprised if Buffy, Angel or Oz ended up in that room. Also wonder if Spike has been recaptured since he crashed into the wall. Is he already in there?
MUCH speculation going on here. :) Just the way I like it. Evil evil Joss. *G*
When Giles had Spike stop the car and chase Maggie, I hit the floor laughing, and every time I think about it, I still giggle. Way to go Giles!!!! :)
Poor Ethan...he's a great bad guy...hope they don't give him a labotomy. :(
Willow..It looked fine to me. Have to wait and see what Joss is doing with her. I think the dark majik might be connected with Tara. She may have more of a connection to the black arts than she is letting on. Mom maybe?

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SPOILERISH SPECULATION/DISCUSSION OF A NEW MAN ABOVE. DON'T GO THERE IF YOU WANT TO BE A MUSHROOM. :)

Destiny


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Mark says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:41:50 2000 129.78.64.5)
hi


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John Steed says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:41:00 2000 136.165.142.74)
Rach: Are you the same as Rachie from the UK? Just wondering. I feel that not only Riley but also the whole business with the Initiative makes the show too crowded and weird. We need more character development of Buffy, Willow and the return of Amy. I know that Cordy has moved to LA but
Amy could replace her as a member of the Scoobygang. Not to mention Faith. Although I still don't trust Faith. Remember what Angel said in S3: "It's not that I don't trust you Faith. Well, actually Faith, I don't trust you."


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SarahNicole says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:39:04 2000 165.91.66.202)
KAM Praise from the Hub makes a humble Spoke giddy. ;-) Really it probably has more to do with the fact that I already have both of my lectures for this weekend "written" -- all planned out in notes. :-) Ooh! Plus there's the line, "Sometimes I'm callous and strange." She has layers... ;-)

Closet Buffyholic Um, yeah, if you say so. If it takes me almost two years to figure something out, I usually don't think that's effecient. :-) Oh, and here: A job. I wish it were that easy for you... Hey! You could come and be my TA! That would be really cool. For me, anyway... ;-)

Okay, had food, did reading, now its time for the snuggly blanket part of the evening, and early beddies. Maybe Ears, but that depends on me being awake...

*poof*


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DSP says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:38:36 2000 204.143.232.230)
Miz A Once again, you have crappy timing...

really gone... lots of whup

DSP


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DSP says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:36:40 2000 204.143.232.230)
Hi Masque!

OK, I am not really here -- I have way too much whup. But I have one more comment about Willow in Doppelgangland. I was actually disturbed by the way they portrayed her sexuality in that episode. Even if it is Willow the Vamp, the scenes of her kissing her alter ego and making the moves on Willow reeked of lesbianism as narcissism psychoanalytical BS. (i.e. "Chasing Amy" that guy asking the lesbian if she gets off on staring at her naked body in the mirror). I know they were trying to make a joke, but it was pretty primitive in my mind.

OK I feel better now that I have vented.

really gone, may not be back
DSP


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John Steed says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:34:12 2000 136.165.142.74)
Masquerade: Hi. Your employer must be the swellest guy in SF to let you surf at work. How are things in the Bay Area? I was there around Christmas and the crowds were unbelievable. It's not like stuff in Union Sq suddenly got cheap. The prices were the usual-- retail to very high. But the atmosphere was great. Oh btw, what makes you think Maggie doesn't get laid? She may come off as cool and collected, but behind closed doors, I am sure she can be hot. Not as hot as Willow, however.


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rach says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:34:02 2000 216.138.55.26)
anyone else think rielly is ruining the show


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Vox (who knows this is his 6th post so won't be answering, BUT will be reading, for a while) says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:33:08 2000 131.111.8.68)
John Steed You can see exactly how much thought I've put into it by following the link in my last message to Kameko


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mm says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:32:44 2000 204.210.112.169)
pam if you are still here i thought that i would tell ya that i can't get to your site. i've tried going through links but it still says that the page can noy be found. what's up?


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Ms. Alucard says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:30:08 2000 209.99.60.92)
Hm. DSP Bronzing from work? That's new and different!

Hi everyone!


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John Steed says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:29:27 2000 136.165.142.74)
Vox: I read your theory about Willow and wow, you have given this matter way too much thought (or perhaps, you have way too much time on your hands.) What I wanna know is: if we're nice to the evil Willow from Doppelgangland, will she let us watch?

Jade: I don't believe Spike is "good." And I don't believe that the Klingons are our friends.


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Vox says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:29:06 2000 131.111.8.68)
Kameko
That's only an excerpt 'cos we were talking about Willow. If you want to hear what I said for the other vampires it's here.


Angel -> Power
Drusilla -> Love
Spike -> Insecurity
Xander -> Submission



And if anyone wants to extend it to Harmony you have my blessing just so long as you send me a copy!

Rachie & Rags Oh no, Joss didn't slip in another meaningless three numbers did he?

I had enough trouble with 7-3-0!

Salve Masquerade
I think you're projecting too much of yourself on Maggie again!


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Masquerade says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:27:05 2000 128.218.111.104)
VOX!!!!!


DSP: Hi, I'm back, but with no Willow thoughts.

Masq
Willow/Tara in '00!
Maggie needs to get laid #1


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bananafish says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:26:27 2000 63.14.55.88)
Thanks, Calypso!


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Calypso says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:24:41 2000 212.49.248.204)
bananafishYou might want to check out a website called the Watcher's Web which is at http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/`fraxis- it's a really good up-to-date source from a UK perspective with listings of what episodes are on both sides of the Atlantic including cable/satellite. Vox is right, you need satellite or you will be sucked in the vortex of Hell that is the BBC and be forced to suffer the eternal torments of spoilerage from the North Americans.


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Rags says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:24:35 2000 198.188.16.28)
Kill that tag!


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rose says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:24:30 2000 152.163.195.189)
Rose says she is sorry to anyone who thought she was screaming. . I accidently hit the cap lock on the computer & didnt' realize it till after I posted. .thats what happens when you sneak posts at work. Leather Jacket you didnt teach your lil sister very well!


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Rags says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:23:49 2000 198.188.16.28)
mildlyobsessed...Just for fun, I have been searching an online King James Bible for Chapter 3, verse 14 entries. I doubt if it has any real relevance, but here are some of the more interesting quotes:

Luke 3:14: And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.


Romans 3:14: Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips...

James 3:14: But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth...

Hmmm...


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bananafish says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:23:23 2000 63.14.55.88)
DSP, nice meeting you as well. I love being up against heavyweight contenders on the whole "Willow's sexuality" issue, but it is also nice to have some back up :).

I must be going now, back to write, as it seems all the Bronzers do. I'll check back later.


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rose says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:22:52 2000 152.163.195.189)
Leather Jacket

is that towel Velvet or satin? I just meant I thought Vamps were bi-sexual or Asexual because they connect more in an emotional way than an physical way. ROSE IS SHUTTING UP NOW BECAUSE SHE THINKS SHE MIGHT BE OUT OF HER LEAGUE & KNOWLEDGE WITH THIS DISCUSSION!!!!! lol


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Kameko says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:22:11 2000 24.131.170.254)
Vox - Wow. Kudos for an impressively logical argument!


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Vox says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:21:21 2000 131.111.8.68)
Rachie
I'm somewhat irregular I'm afraid, that's what comes of having to sneak away from the authorities to do some Bronzing.

I'll be off in a few minutes anyway I just came on to throw a couple of ppl off my back, if you're going
to bed, vale!


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Eiddileg says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:21:21 2000 167.127.142.2)
Lady of Buffdom Thanks for the correction. This is a sign from above that I need to reread my BFG. And maybe the Witches. And probably the Charlie books. And the Foxes….

CB No literal forkage? *polut* ©devil You take away all my fun.


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Vox says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:17:47 2000 131.111.8.68)
Pamela And to all Willow is bi believers,

Here is my take on the reason behing vampWillow's behaviour in Dopplegangland


An extension of Pippin’s corruption theory of vampire creation

Pippin proposed that there was more to ‘vamping’ than the soul simply being kicked out onto the street (or the ether). Instead that the original personality of the occupant of the body, (what, for want of a better phrase might be described as the residue of the soul) affected the traits of the demon that then possessed that body. The demon takes delight in amplifying the negative aspects and corrupting the positive.

would suggest that you could go even further.
No personality trait can be described as totally beneficial or detrimental. Much like technology, they merely have potential from which the individual may act positively or negatively. Take ambition as an example, it pushes us to achieve our very best, without it human development would stall as society toppled into listless contentment. But ambition also drives us to be ruthless and dissatisfied. A person driven by ambition will never achieve peace because they will always desire that which they do not have.
When a person is vamped the nature of the evil of the demon possessing them is fixed by their original defining personality trait (their ‘prime facet’). In as much as it is possible for a character to be encapsulated within a single facet, it can been seen amongst the vamps of BtVS. The problem we face is the small amount of information on our vampires while they were mortal.

Willow -> Curiosity
The girl’s interested in things: computers, witchcraft, the occult, sex. It’s not so much the subject as acquiring the knowledge that satisfies her. vampWillow is similar albeit with the sort of curiosity that is usually fatal to the victim of her inquiries. She becomes "Bored now…" as soon as her victims become lifeless and uninteresting. When she tortured Angel in The Wish it was not typical vampire behaviour nor was it done with Angel’s brand of dominating sadism. She was a child and Angel was the insect, and she was slowly pulling off its limbs one by one, just to see what would happen. Similarly while Willow’s curiosity about all things carnal is expressed by her flustered questions to her good friend Buffy, vampWillow’s emerges through an aggressive bisexuality in Dopplegangland.

Therefore I conclude that vampWillow's bisexuality is not necessarily a signal that Willow is herself bisexuality rather that it is the expression of the corruption of her prime facet of Curiosity


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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:16:28 2000 134.68.124.154)
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I think the overt sexuality, S&M, bisexuality, etc., of the vamp world has less to do with sex and more to do with the pleasure principle - and control. I think Willow's alter-ego was more about the power she got from being a dominatrix than she was about homosexuality.

Ccool I thought I saw you a'lurkin', baby. I have new sassy shoes just for your perusal at PBP! Whee!

K. Going to Employment Discrimination now. Yay me!

CB


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Rachie says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:15:41 2000 195.44.0.224)
Vox: See, you always come around this place so darned late! I have vicious work tomorrow, so I really must get to bed.

Iron Lemon: I often am. *eg*

R
Soon, my pretty, soon...mwahaha!
Um, don't mind me.


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Iron Lemon says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:12:37 2000 195.44.21.153)
Argh ! Damn spoilers, they've made me go blind !

Rachie - You were right !


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Pamela says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:11:02 2000 171.212.97.152)
This is in response to the rumors about Willow... putting space just in case...

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In response to Kam's challenge for someone to provide some foreshadowing that Willow is a lesbian: Doppelgangland. I saw someone brought it up, but I don't think they made this point. Willow was upset over her alter ego's behavior and Buffy told her that the vampire self is not at all like the human self. Angel began to disagree.... then thought better of it. That was a huge hint to me. Also, like everyone says, Willow is in college now. The biggest learning experience about college isn't English 101... it's being on your own for the first time, it's deciding what field to go into.... you grow into your skin during that time. As for the Oz thing.... I knew a man who fell in love with a woman, married her, had kids with her, then realized he was gay. So it is possible. Also, Willow could be bisexual. As a non-Willow-loving-individual, I have heard about how she is coming into her own now... well, maybe her "own" is attracted to girls. But that's just my opinion...

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Oh, and since I never ever see his name on all the other SO's.... I'd like to send a SO to Marc!


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DSP says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:10:59 2000 204.143.232.230)
bufsum I like your post!

devil Yeah, I really liked your post re: continuum of sexuality, which is why I said to greengirl "what devil said" *g*

bfish It's good to meet you and it's nice to have your voice chime in on this topic. I noticed your posts last night but I was too tired to jump in the fray with you and Miz A when you were discussing this issue with another poster.

OK, whup calls...

DSP
Willow/Tara in '00!
"Bring your own subtext." (Joss Whedon)


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Vox says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:10:40 2000 131.111.8.68)
Rachie
Such a thing does not exist, that's why Tuesday night is so great, the rest of them are off watching TV (though a suspiscious few actually manage to post at the same time...)

Let me think up a friendly topic, give me a second

Bananafish Depends if you have access to satellite or not:

If yes, we've just done THLOD

If no, you're stuck with BBC2 which has just shown Phases

That's right season 2!

Salve Calypso
If you do send an email, send it to Sententia at sententia@imaginemail.com , the poor thing's wilting from no one noticing her

(don't tell her I asked though ;)

Kansas It's appreciated, that's pretty much the translation anyway


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Ccool says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:09:45 2000 63.253.69.108)
Closet Buffyholic: *SMOOCH* *SMOOCHITY* *SMOOCH*...did you think I had left?

hee hee

Ccool


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Narrator says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:09:05 2000 204.17.210.11)
devil -- you would only be written inconsistently if you also started to like frogs after you were afraid of them in high school. I mean, there are some things that just cannot change

Closet Ear-a-holic -- Um, School?

Obligatory Cate mention

Audi


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Kansas says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:09:01 2000 159.10.4.47)
Hail Vox! (Never learned any Latin so that's the best I can do.)

Jamice - Take a breath, it'll be OK... please see my post below about an Angel web site.



One last SO before I fly: SO's to: angelgazer, belmont, cabin7man, Closet Buffyholic, carl, Cosmic Bob, Dana, Dao Jones, elusio, greengirl, jvs, Kristen, Lady Wolfsbane, Leather Jacket, Little Bam Bam, LJC, Maverick, Mesuvius, newfan, Opus, Polgara, Rags, Safarigirl, shehawken, Slave2Faith, stormtrooper, Suzanne, Vox, and Yooper!

*ping*


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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:08:38 2000 134.68.124.154)
Ccool *smooch* *smooch* *smooch* That is all.

CB


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Ccool says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:06:51 2000 63.253.69.108)
Wow, this place looks so familiar...oh, THE BRONZE

S.P.O.I.L.E.R.S for A NEW MAN

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1. I could not have laughed harder when they showed what Xander heard when the Giles/Demon was talking to him.

2. I loved seeing Ethan and Giles together talking about being "old sorcerers", it was very real.

3. I will only say this about the lesbian "subtext" between Willow and Tara; I think it is there but I do not believe they will "fully realize" this storyline in terms of Willow having a lesbian relationship. It does not change my feelings about Willow in the least and it does not undermine the credibility of how the character is written.

4. Ummm...Maggie...I just can't stand her. I think she is just plain mean and possibly evil. I can't put my finger on it but I don't trust Maggie, she's hiding something from us. I also found the "you poke them with a sharp stick" comment to be smug and sanctimonious.

5. I had some difficulty adJusting to the fact that suddenly everything is "Buffy and the Initiative" as one big happy family. I mean, a few weeks ago they were ready to kill Willow for compromising their security and now everything is cool? It happened too fast for me.

6. Buffy being so totally insensitive to Giles seems a little untrue to the character. She forgot to tell him about the Initiative? Hmmph, I don't think so....
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SPOILERS for NEW MAN

Okay back to the boring but enormous piles of WHUP...

LeatherJacket" Me thinks you opened the floodgates of Gayness! LOL

Ccool
Sadly Absent Buffyatric


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Leather Jacket says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:06:44 2000 192.91.146.35)
Helpful hints Questions & answers
Friend or Foe's Newbie page OzFan's Newbie page
Welcome Wagon Spoiler Warning Examples

LittleEsperansa (Faith) : I loved that spoily scene (which I won't bother to describe since you obviously saw it) too.

4paws : Congratulations.
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Uh-oh.

Leather Jacket dips rose into the Fount of Employment and hands her a towel and an after-bath sample kit.

rose : Well, any reference to Anne Rice is at least a little offensive. *lol*

Okay, this discusses the future of the series, so it's technically
SPOILER SPECULATION FOR FUTURE BUFFY EPS

KAM : I don't object to your wanting to see Tara be evil or to your wanting to see Willow strictly heterosexual. What I object to is your saying that Willow can never have a lesbian affair without betraying the existing character. I also object to your saying that what you want to see is more "Jossy" than what Joss has planned. Mind you, none of us knows what Joss has planned. He may have what you're thinking planned or he may not. But you don't get to decide what he can and cannot do. Have Willow and Tara had an affair? No. So to say that there hasn't been enough groundwork to allow Willow to experiment is premature at best.
And all of Willow's whacking experiences in the past are examples of how the vampire would use the existing personality to incorporate violent tendencies. Willow's (IMO) homophobic "and I think I'm kind of gay" could indeed be a mask, a defense mechanism, for desires she doesn't want to admit to.

END SPOILER SPECULATION FOR FUTURE BUFFY EPS

Jamise : There are 22 episodes of any TV series filmed during a season (unless the show is cancelled, which Buffy isn't). There are 52 weeks in a year. That means that almost every show on TV has 30 weeks of reruns.

That's it for me.

If you've lost the WB programming because you watched it on WGN on cable, please call 888-474-9292 to find where it might be playing in your area. (Thanks, willa)

Slay On Buffy
Leather Jacket
Proud to be a Buffyatric
Chief Pest(o) of SPAGHETTI


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Cliodhna says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:06:22 2000 206.252.64.230)
Hi! Haven't posted in a while, and just couldn't resist after last night's eps, and the repercussions on the board today.
That said:
SPOILERS FOLLOWING
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Last night's eps were both great.
First and foremost, These shows are fiction and only based upon reality. Please remember that when discussing things such as the rights of American Citizens or Abortion.
Second: The whole lesbian issue is a non. I mean, references to "Dopplegangland" (one of my all time faves) are pointless, as we all know (from the series) that Vamps will do just about anything they have to do to get what they want, which does include pleasure (and if read any of the Anne Rice books, not that they relate to this series, but, people often thought the two main characters were homosexual, when they just wanted dinner, male or female). Because Tara *might* be does not mean that Willow is. And, look at the whole exploding rose issue: That was evil magic. Nothing more. Willow has no evil. So, to say that Tara is evil and a Lesbian is really heading towards major stereotypes that have been around way too long and have caused way too much damage.
Well, enough of my ranting. Must go and catch my train for which I am totally late!
Have a great night!
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devil says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:04:30 2000 141.161.189.39)
The entire comments of this post may contain spoilers


Thought on the Willow/Tara discussion and whether it'd be out of character for Willow to lean that way:
Since I was a goody-goody who never went out and when I did, hardly ever did anythign wilder than going to a movie or a coffee house in high school and started going to parties and bars and the like 2 or 3 nights a week every weekend the minute i got to college, does this mean if I were a TV character, I'd be ripped apart for being written inconsistently?

DSP: So since my "continuum of sexual preference" theory doesn't come from talking to that many people about it, am I anywhere near right?

Masq: By the time I got to college, I think rainbows already meant gay. They did by sophomore year at least. Though I tend towards being obnoxiously hapyp myself, but no rainbows for me even if they didn't mean gay I support gay rights, and have friends who are, but I don't want people to think I'm gay for the same reason I don't want them to think I'm married and keep my left ring finger ringless and probably now sound like a huge hypocrite. sorry. Since Angel did say the vamps retain some qualities of their human hosts wasn't Spike "William the Bloody" before he was vamped? And Dru was insane before she was vamped too., the Doppelgangland comment about "I think I'm kind of gay" could be foreshadowing. If W/T really happens, my guess would be that Willow's closer to the liking-boys-only end of teh continuum, but enough towards the middle to be be at least a leetle curious.



This entire post may contain spoilers

devil

that said, she really loves her fax1 *smooch*


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Vox says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:04:05 2000 131.111.8.68)
For all those interested

Above the Law - http://www.geocities.com/voxsententia/abovethelaw/
will be updated on Friday, hopefully by the time you Americans are stirring from your beds. The update witll include:

Was Angel aboslutely barking mad to destroy the Gem of Amara?
wolfguard's Evil by any other name
'stina's posts on the Watchers and the Initiative
Analysing Xander by Charity aka Taygeta

And, god willing, Vox and Sententia's comprehensive evaluation of Faith, thanks to everyone who commented on the preview post


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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:03:23 2000 134.68.124.154)
narrator 3 hours till Ears, but only 1/2 hour until Employment Discrimination. I ask you, which do you think I'm excited about? And obsessing is what I do best, next to being controlling. Whee!

Wow, bezoars.

TexasWook Oh yeah, and I'm telling your sister on you, btw.

CB


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Rachie says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:03:18 2000 195.44.0.224)
Vox: Rather embarrassingly quick, even if I do say so myself! *g* I'm in search of that ever-elusive Wednesday thing - the none-too-spoily topic. :)

R
Who managed to convince her boss that she really ought to spend tomorrow morning at her desk, instead of in the scary meeting. hee!


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mildlyobsessed says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:02:36 2000 198.31.42.66)
Re: 314 theories - I like the dyslexic and bad at math theory. It might explain why I keep getting details wrong today. I think I'll just crawl under my rock and lurk. Or do work or something...


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Isolde says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:02:36 2000 199.105.252.66)
Alright. I'm going to do a couple more things and go home. Read you Friday.

Isolde


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bananafish says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:02:34 2000 63.14.55.88)
To bufsum, DSP: thanks you two. For everyone else: many people believe that sexuality is on a continuum, and like DSP said, it is not a fixed thing. People change, thus society's way of thinking should as well. Just think, if we were all a little more tolerant, or compassionate, or accepting, would we really care if Willow was to pursue a relationship with Tara?

Entirely off the subject... does anyone know how behind Buffy is in Europe? I leave for England on Saturday for the semester, and I'm freaking about missing out on the show.

Thanks.
b.fish


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joe says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:00:49 2000 209.180.143.208)
i have always liked angel and i would like to suck his ****


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megan says:
(Wed Jan 26 15:00:14 2000 205.188.199.153)
i love the show i always loved it . its great , has a good plot and i love how they set the plot up with Ryly.its a great show ,awsome ,love carecters,Spike comeing back thats the best. well i love the show but i got to go. my faverit show ever "BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER", and always. luv ya ,Megan


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Calypso says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:59:07 2000 212.49.248.204)
Vox wondered when you'd turn up. Was gonna send you an e-mail but I have been too busy stalking people on the posting board. nonotreally. yaawwn. stayed up too late last night and felt really *kak* today in lectures.
Dao Jones you have mail!


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joseph says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:58:49 2000 209.180.143.208)
i am the evel angel and i am coming for buffy


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Narrator says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:58:44 2000 204.17.210.11)
Closet Buffyholic – 3 hours to EARS. And yes, you're being silly. Except that the writers (at least one of them) is bad at math. And stop obsessing.

Jamice – Well, I don't know where you are, but here we saw first run episodes for Buffy and Angel this week.

Obligatory Cate mention....


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joseph says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:57:29 2000 209.180.143.208)
i would like to say that this is the best site ever and i wanna **** angel he is so hot


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Vampylvr385 says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:56:01 2000 207.69.102.110)
Hey fellow buffy lovers! I was wondering if anybody knows about a PBP in the Orlando or central fl area.....if not can someone give me info on how to start one?
thanks


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Rachie says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:55:37 2000 195.44.0.224)
mildlyobsessed: Sorry to disappoint you - the title of that particular epic was Flight 714...

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Drat. Now I may overpost.


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DSP says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:55:31 2000 204.143.232.230)
Hi bananafish I am at work and I just started busting up when I read that your girlfriend was homecoming queen. :) It's so confusing when those damn rules suddenly change in college, huh? I find it so fascinating that people expect/want clear signs (maybe a faint red L on the forehead?) otherwise it's not plausible that Willow could be bi or lesbian. It feels like some of the reactions I got when I came out. Anyway, I am interested to see what will happen.

gone for awhile

DSP


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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:55:23 2000 134.68.124.154)
SPOILERY SPOILISH SPOILS



Maybe the "314" is really a reference to that classic, "Farenheit 451," but the writers are dylexic. And bad at math.


SPOILY SPOILISH SPOILEROO

Okay, now I'm just being silly.

SarahNichole I knew you'd figure out some way to scroll efficiently. You're like that! :)

I still need a job.

CB


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Vox says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:54:41 2000 131.111.8.68)
Salve
Rachie
Don't worry about the time, I have early lectures tmw...

As to where we were, I believe something about Faith's possible redemption (?)
But I think we covered most of the bases...

That's a pretty quick response time BTW


Salve
Kansas


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bufsum says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:52:47 2000 207.250.216.16)
I'm running on my limit
~to all in the convos about Will~
I just quickly want to say to DSP, thanks. I'm not a lesbian, but some of my friends are gay. I've been steering away from that topic on the board, but I want to say that I agree with you. One of my best friends is bi, and I don't care, nore should anyone else. Anyway, Willow is Willow, you know her, you love her. She is amazing, and hate to say it, but I've thought that she might be bi, or such early on last season. You've got to wonder, either way why Joss wrote that Willow wouldn't tell Buffy about her and Tara's experiement. If she is having doubts, questions, ect. she should know that she can talk to Buffy, if she can talk to anyone. Just think, gay or straight, she's still our Little Wicca.

good dinners to all
~bufsum


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kim! says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:52:47 2000 192.6.114.30)
mildlyobsessed Actually I was looking at the colors and liked the blue. Though the black with flames is a cool idea!! Oh, and someone below had a good idea on the *** Spoiler *** 314 being a date, March 14th *** Spoiler ***. There are others if you scroll...


k!


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mildlyobsessed says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:50:16 2000 198.31.42.66)
StGermain - It's an Ivan story ,actualy. Inspired by "A Civil Action", which I read and enjoyed.

Kim! - I do want to be an extra on Buffy some day so I had better not buy a {red,white,black} car. ;-)

As to color, I kind of like the silver and the purple. The car looks so much like a clasic hot rod, I might get the black and paint flames on the sides!



Spoiler for "A New Man" Below
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I have a theory about this whole 314 thing. I think there might be a fan of the Tintin book among the writers. "Flight 314" is the great adventure story of the Tintin books where he actually gets to shoot people with a machine gun! Great fun. Can anyone think of any other possible reasons for using 314?

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Rachie says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:50:04 2000 195.44.0.224)
Delurk...

Vox: Where were we...?

R
I have half an hour.


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Vox says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:48:38 2000 131.111.8.68)
Jade
Oh god, Buffy and Riley aren't actually dating are they?

*Oh god*


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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:47:36 2000 134.68.124.154)
TexasWook I saw that!

CBBro Puppies send smoochies.

I need a job.

CB


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Jamice says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:46:24 2000 209.0.113.193)
What is up with all the reppeat shows???? And what the hell happened to Oz? Why did he leave the show??? And when is Angel going to get his own web site???? And why did they get rid of Doyle?? I hate Wesley. He needs to go. OK OK, I don't hate him, but Doyle was better. What happened to Doyle???? Wesley is too DORKY, he doesn't really do much for the show.

Well if anyone has info why they are having so much re-runs email me back,or if anyone has info why Oz and Doyle left email me back too.. Later....


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bananafish says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:45:18 2000 63.14.55.88)
Hey, DSP, I'm a lesbian, and my girlfriend WAS the homecoming queen! I agree totally with everything you said--I tried to tell everyone that exact same thing earlier. I never thought I was a lesbian in high school, really, when I got to college the "rules" changed. I discovered
so much about myself... I think that is why people say college is the best time to sort of figure it out... lots of freedom.


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Jade says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:45:18 2000 198.60.1.141)
Iwill always believe that Buf & Angel are meant for each other no matter who she dates!


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carl says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:42:40 2000 209.240.197.16)
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Rags says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:42:34 2000 198.188.16.28)
justjo...I see nothing strange in your dreams at all. Personally, I have long been tortured by the most unspeakable nightmares imaginable, involving Tom Jones.

Brrrr!!


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Kansas says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:41:32 2000 159.10.4.47)
Princess of Darkness - Check out the episode synopses at The Buffy Episode Guide and City of Angel.

rose - To quote Spike: "I can't believe anyone falls for that Anne Rice stuff."


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bufsum says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:41:27 2000 207.250.216.16)
~crazy thought~
does Riley finn remind anyone else of Huckelberry Finn?

hmmmm.....

-three quick things,
1.) When is Amy going to turn human again?
2.) When is Faith coming out of acoma?
3.) Is Drusilla ever going to make her way back to Sunnydale?

~bufsum


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Isolde says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:39:00 2000 199.105.252.66)
Circe I've been meaning to tell you that I too am upset with the squished up credits. I have to admit that there is a certain point where I will walk out of movie credits (unless I am enjoying the song) and that is right after they list the movie's song titles and artists. Usually that is about the last thing they list, with the exception of thank yous to the police department of LA and the Metropolitan Museum of New York and...


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Jade says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:38:35 2000 198.60.1.141)
What do you think of Buffy's new man?


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Willow Wannabe says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:38:34 2000 204.60.51.47)
hola mi compañero aficionados de buffy!

how is everyone?

im gonna poof, so this was just a driveby...

Bye Bye SO's to:
AngelLover24-7, Quote Girl, DELiver, carl, Shadowslayer, Icelord,OzLady, Bri, Rachie, Dark-girl, Megdalen,
shadowbound6, LunaMoon, Willow-, Sanguineus, Shadowslayer, BuffyFan, buffy5202, Angelus, Wild Weasel,
Anne, Sachiel, SpookyMagoo, XandersGirl (XG), SunnyD, Dianne, Jennifer, lulu, Emerald C, Buffyenta, Temptress,
Sloane, Motorcycle Au Pair Boy, TMorel, Lady of Buffdom, BuffyfanaticM5,
Vaal, Brandi the Slayer, Werewolf, Where wolf?, kim!, X-Lander, curefan, Angel2000
Iron Lemon, Mrs.Beasley, Buggo, Eire, and all of the other wonderful denizens of the bronze.

if i left you out and you feel that you need to be on my So list, dont hesitate to e mail me to put you on it! my SO list
needs some new names!
E mail me! : willow8184@yahoo.com
IM me:
AIM: willow8184
yahoo messenger: willow8184
ICQ #: 42087402

Visit my site! : The BuffyObsession

"the other me is all skanky, and evil. and i think im kinda gay!" - willow, in Doppelgangland
" i laugh in the face of danger, then i hide until it goes away" -xander, in the Witch
" the Bay City Rollers, now thats music" -giles, in the Dark Age
"Buffy, love your hair. it just screams street urchin" cordelia, in Halloween
"the band's moving towards this new sound where we suck. so, practice" oz, in Surprise
"Raise your hand if ew!" -buffy, in Faith, Hope, and Trick
"dont worry, im not here to eat" -angel in Out of Mind, Out of Sight


member #12 I Am Evil And Proud Of It
and,
#2 Oz and Willow's Monkeypants
#23 of Sufferers Of Buffy Withdrawal Syndrom



smooches all


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DSP says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:37:14 2000 204.143.232.230)
Even this lesbian is getting sick of all this lesbian talk on the board, so this is the last thing I am going to say for awhile about this topic. Really the Bronze may be driving me toward heterosexuality...

SPOILERS FOR A NEW MAN BELOW

Kameko, KAM, et al Your point about characterization is very well taken. I think we are jumping the gun thinking that Willow is going to discover she is bi or lesbian or secretly in love with frogs. However, I do think it can be plausibly written. Besides which you can certainly be bisexual or even gay and have had intense in love experiences with the opposite sex in your history. Sexuality is not so rigid and formulaic and fixed. Sometimes it's the homecoming queen who was engaged to the star quarterback from High School who turns up leading the Gay Pride Parade in your town. Some people were surprised when I came out. So this reaction of... but Willow couldn't be, she's showed no signs, etc.... is quite similar to how a lot of people react to a best friend or childhood friend or Catholic schoolteacher ex nun coming out as gay. IF (and I emphasize the IF) Joss et. al. are going that route with Willow, I have every confidence they would do it sensitively and believably. But the main point I am trying to make is this:
because, when I was in high school, I never in a million years thought I was a lesbian (nor did my friends at the time), I don't find it such a stretch that Willow might come to such a sudden and dramatic epiphany. You live your life within the parameters you have been given. Sometimes all you have is a vague inchoate sense that there's something missing or something different about you. And when you get a little bit of freedom and/or maturity, boom, you can discover things about yourself that would have been inconceivable just a year ago.

That said, I would be surprised if that's really where they were going with this relationship.

SPOILERS FOR A NEW MAN ABOVE

Masque OK, I may or may not be on much longer depending on what's happening here at work.

DSP


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Little Bam Bam says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:36:57 2000 166.84.144.10)
Good night- it was a pleasure speaking to you all, or eavesdropping on those to whom I wasn't able to speak. To paraphrase the redoubtable Tood Rundgren, I don't want to work, I just want to post on the board all day.


proud member #2 of MNTGL


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CBBro says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:36:35 2000 204.155.148.10)
Not The Wook, cause he's working. I agree. I am hoping for a day off. Oh, and I can I get a job where I harass your sister too? (Did you see that, I scrolled)

KAM I am not getting your point. They are the things that killed them, or not killed. What?

*snark*

CBBro


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rose says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:35:56 2000 152.163.195.178)
Since were on the gay issue & Vampires. Does anyone remember Vampires are Bi-Sexual if that makes any sense. Remember Anne Rice the vampires didnt connect sexually the way humans do. They were more emotional. So maybe Angel is bi-sexual. Because if anyone remembers the episode Surprise we know he is definitely not just Gay.

Leather Jacket did I say that in a way that didnt offend anyone?


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Jade says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:35:50 2000 198.60.1.141)
I think that Spike should still be evil


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bufsum says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:33:36 2000 207.250.216.16)
Good afternoon all Bronzers!!!

Sam Hain, and Lady of buffdom- (hello to both of you)- I'm going to cut in on your convo, alittle. Firstly, I think that the whole Initiative is to explore what those who don't have slayer like ablities. The thing that they put in Spike, to make him non-bitey wasn't done before. At least they weren't sure that it would work. The commados volunteered themselves to fight the good fight, and all of that. We know that this has something to do with Professor Walsh, considering she's the one that's the head of the program. At least, she's never mentioned a superior to date. Also, it's clear that they have the lastest powers of technology, we've seen this more than once. Take your pick for an example. The voice coad operated system, the weapons that are lasers that Riley has shot, ect. There power is evident, but do they even know how much they have? 314 has something to do with the Initiative. Something bad. How bad, and do Professor's commandos even know what they are doing? None of us do, yet. Do they, though. They are caught up with something not so squeaky clean, do they even know what they really are getting themselves into? I guess we have to wait 2 weeks to find out. Joss will soon work his magic.

does anyone know, for sure that Sarah and David are dating?

possibly spoilerish~
I hope Faith and Oz come back, I heard that both of them are, we'll see
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*Good luck, and Godbless to all of those who have semster exams!!

~bufsum


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Rach says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:32:27 2000 38.26.183.250)
Where did Faith go? Is she ever coming back! Remember along time ago when Kendra came! I MISS KENDRA!!!!


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Missi says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:31:38 2000 171.218.67.132)
Leather Jacket is the Official Spokesgayperson? *grin*

Sam Hain was here!

it's fun to scroll. it's amazing what you find.

M


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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:30:02 2000 209.100.92.79)
Hello again,

SarahNicole: Now that is a good point--good grab, but I think it falls a bit short. I would say that Willows Motivation was to "crack" him for information--not pleasure. Meaning one was for a purpose and the other was entertainment. Still--that is the best such comparision I have heard.

Really gone,
KAM


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Vaal says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:29:28 2000 213.1.17.87)
MedusA - you gone then ?


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justjo says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:29:27 2000 194.165.160.97)
Evening all. here's my input for the night: the night before last I woke up all scared because I had a nightmare that I was at my school reunion and Marylin Manson came to get us all. He had super type powers and kept appearing and disappearing in semi darkness. Very frightening. And then last night I dreamed that me and some friends were trapped in a room by evil Angel and that we were trying to hold the door shut because a big posse of vampires were coming but the nightmare just kind of tailed off because they were walking down the alley so slooowly that by the time they got near it was daylight and the whole thing just kind of dissipated. So in my dreams Marylin Manson is scarier than Angelus!
How wierd is that?


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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:27:27 2000 209.100.92.79)
Hello again,

Matt the Bruins Fan, Kameko and CBBro: read my last post. I really think that Joss and the Writers are Fishing us in on this whole deal--as evidenced by many people's reaction.

As far as Dopplegangland--This is really the ONLY hint of Willow being a lesbian, and as I said--the Vamp-turned version bears little or no resemblence to the person they were before--in fact we have been taught specifically that THEY ARE NOT THE PERSON YOU KNEW, BUT THE THING THAT KILLED THEM Yes--I meant to emphasize that.

Again--I think Angel's comment has little backup (compared to the other side), and was done for comedic effect.

But we shall see...I really don't see Joss taking the Ally McBeal route, but that comparison MAY be unavoidable since it has been done in a cheap way on so many other shows--to grab ratings for people that want to see what they THINK is controversial--lesbianism. I think Joss would tend to go with "Avoid the appearance of inpropriety" in this case--meaning not wanting to look like a cheap stunt even if it really isn't--which I don't think has EVER been Joss's style.

When I say Joss I really mean the creative team.

I know one thing--I can't wait to see how it turns out!

Everyone have a great night,
KAM
Ty King Fan


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Vaal says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:27:20 2000 213.1.17.87)
Iron lemon - your mad ! *g* mad i tell ya


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Circe says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:26:45 2000 208.223.117.45)
Leather Jacket: Can only speak for my admittedly weird self, but I can never walk out on movie credits. I know the people whose credits are going up are NOT standing there, but I feel as if I'd be walking out on those people anyway. I WILL say that movie credits have gotten WAY out of hand in their length (I mean, Insurance??? Caterers???) so can't say I blame 'em that much. Can't leave during curtain calls in live theater when the cast IS standing there, even though others are rushing to not get stuck in the parking lot. I just can't do it. I'd feel rude.

MeeB: Checked, not there, but y'know--snotmail. Nuff said. Going soon. Speaking in monosyllabic sentences. WUWT?

Closet Buffy, Narrator & Cate: *smooch!* ladies, have a good evening.

Bye all!

Circe


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Iron Lemon says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:25:49 2000 212.1.128.62)
Holas folks,

Just as a by the by, I'm launching a free web page design service in direct competition to KANE *wg* The intention is to be a cooler underground type thing ... Check www.dial.to/daemon for info.

How's everybody ?


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Not the Wook says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:24:36 2000 207.82.111.152)
CBBro I hear you guys may get sleet & snow in the next couple of days... i would blame this on your sister sending the winter weather south... but that's just me.


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Moriah says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:24:03 2000 171.213.67.102)
TexasWook: Have fun at home, good luck on the job. And I will hold you to that... Oh and Night Blooming Jasmine has a killer (no pun intended) pic of you in your costume...


Moriah
I like Spike.
I like lots of things.


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rose says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:23:51 2000 152.163.195.178)
Leather Jacket:

Hit me with the employment stick!


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Calypso says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:23:49 2000 212.49.248.204)
Evening, everybody! Just dropping in for a bit of a lurk and to see who is here.


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SarahNicole says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:22:53 2000 165.91.71.35)
Ooh, ooh! KAM Um, how about "I'll crack him like an egg"? Whenever there's "interrogation" to be had, Willow's been all over volunteering for that. :-) Very mild in form, but you could call that a "tendency," if'n you wanted to...

*poof*


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SarahNicole says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:20:23 2000 165.91.71.35)
Leather Jacket But he's still not as evil as Kathie Lee. :-)

Closet Buffyholic :-) And you know what? I just now figured out that I can type "SarahNic" into the find field, and get the posts that pay homage to the extra "h." Hi, yes, I have a PhD. :-)

Food. Reading. Snuggling in a blanket...


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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:19:30 2000 209.100.92.79)
hello again,

Masquerade: Regarding Dopplegangland. Ok--so how far does this go? Was Angel prone to stalk people and torture them before he was turned? Does Willow have tendencies to beat the crap out of people, AND tendencies to be homosexual?

I would also remind everyone that there have been quite a few references on Angel about Him being Gay (last night in fact) and yet it is not true--Let's recall that Willow said "and I think I am kinda gay" That was in reference to her grabbing...well parts...and such, but I wouldn't call anything that she did homosexual--if anything there was no tendency at all--except towards Xander and "the puppy" That is another point--are we to expect that Willow loves to play with people and torture them for fun--or has the tendency to do the less violent end of that?

No--Vamp Willow was wholely different than Willow. The series established many times that they have your memories--Angel made a comment regarding people having similar tendencies, but I have seen little indication of this otherwise. I don't think I want to throw out all that has been established--repeatedly for one mention that I believe was meant to be humorous--just like it was in Angel episodes. I would remind everyone that Dopplegangland was basically a humor episode--and in my opinion one that took a lot of license with the characters that was not particularly "realistic"

For instance--they threw the entire "it's a demon, not you" think by allowing Willow to convince them to Send Vamp-Willow back. How could anyone send a demon back to somewhere to kill more people?

Like I said I think that episode did many things for effect--and for humor, so I wouldn't take it too seriously.

Didn't mean to direct that ALL to you--I just started there :)

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Call me paranoid, or whatever you like, but I can just smell it It's like a sixth sense...no it's actually one of the five something evil about Tara.

She seems to not know what is happening or much about magic, but she sure is powerful. I totally think she is sucking Willow in, and this is gonna be much more supernatural than normal occurrence stuff. I think we are already seeing signs of it.

I think a lot of people think that this is some type of Sexual thing--but I don't--I think it is all about Power, and Tara is drawing Willow into it.

The show almost always has a supernatural backdrop, and this is just too easy. I mean look at where the discussions are--many people are convinced that this is some type of Lesbian thing, but since when has Joss ever been so (supposedly) obvious.

Maybe I am being too smart by half, but I think there is much more to it than "experimentation" in the Sexual way. I have to re-watch to look for more clues, but I am taking the EVIL stand as opposed to the Lesbian Stand on this one.

PLUS--talk about evidence--Willow has been toying with dark Powers--sometimes with tragic effect. Incidentally she had stated flatly (In Becoming) that she didn't want "big danger" but now she apparently does--and we have never really found what happened with that whole possessed-to-curse-Angel thing came from.

Her desire to separate herself from benig Buffy's "Side-Kick" and her lying to her (I have to double check that).

In any case I smell a big Ripe-rat--which is poised to pull Willow into an area she can't control. Besides you know if Willow and Tara Got into a relationship it would just end badly--they ALL do.

I just feel it would be more Jossy.

SPECULATION ABOVE

KAM
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Safarigirl says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:18:28 2000 209.87.233.6)
belmont OOOOH, I never thought of that! Could that be why Spoilery Riley didn't seem unduly fazed by Buffy's strength? Because he knows he can just go get more of the "juice" and soon be her equal? I smells a rat in that there cornfield.


Poofing now...


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Snowflake says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:18:22 2000 207.8.1.21)
Well all time to go home. Its been fun. See you all around 9ish after Roswell <{:0)

SF

poof


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Leather Jacket says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:17:57 2000 192.91.146.35)
Helpful hints Questions & answers
Friend or Foe's Newbie page OzFan's Newbie page
Welcome Wagon Spoiler Warning Examples

Closet Buffyholic : But it's good mocking Math. Really. It doesn't even have Integrals or Quadratic Equations or anything remotely resembling calculus.
*snicker*

SamHain : Do you have any concept of the term "too much information"? And, no, I didn't believe any line or any scene of "American Pie".

TexasWook : You, too. Also, Ew!

Safarigirl : Did you say something about "beware the eyes of Marc"?

Miriam : We must continue to suffer the presence of Riley for the same reason we suffer the sunrise in the morning, the moon at night and tulips in the spring.

TaraAnyaKate4eva : Actually, it's very difficult for the rest of us to read your posts if you bold them in their entirety. Please close your tags. Oh... you did. Thanks.

jaybee : A memorial service for Larry would be a very nice idea.

Mr Pointy : Please mark any references to future episodes of Buffy, whether they be questions or answers, as spoilers for those future episodes.

If you've lost the WB programming because you watched it on WGN on cable, please call 888-474-9292 to find where it might be playing in your area. (Thanks, willa)

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CBBro says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:17:45 2000 204.155.148.10)
KAM About Gay Willow issues; remember when Evil Willow met Good Willow (can't remember the eppy title) and Good Willow told Buffy she thought her double was more than a little Gay. I took her expression to mean she didn't like the idea. But you are correct in your assumption that the (Evil) writers are setting all speculating viewers up big time.

CBBro


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SarahNicole says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:16:54 2000 165.91.71.35)
devil No, I meant the Angel/Xander/Wesley comment. That was funny. Not you wanting to be on the law team... :-)


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4paws says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:16:41 2000 204.178.77.114)
Yay! I did it! Of course, it was just a matter of following the prompts to fix the problem, but that doesn't lessen my excitement!
Leather Jacket- look! I finally figured out something computer-related all by my own self!
4giddypaws


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TexasWook says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:16:24 2000 207.82.111.152)
Moriah well that's good sleep is a great thing. i'm not sure about the PBP, i may be starting a new job (with like a triple increase of what i'm making now) around that time which would nip in the bud any going of me to LA. But we shall see.

TexasWook

who would let Moriah sit in his lap and he could get the message to Santa... seeing as how close the wook & santa are. but the wook is heading home


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(Wed Jan 26 14:15:12 2000 207.8.1.21)
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Princess of Darkness says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:13:55 2000 195.92.197.38)
HI ALL CAN SOMEONE HELP ME I know this is the Buffy board but this question is about the series Angel, well it involves buffy so does that make it ok? What happened in the crossover episode the one where buffy goes to give angel that ring thing? My video ran out of tape just as it started.


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DSP says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:13:36 2000 204.143.232.230)
VERY MINOR (I think) RATINGS RELATED SPOILER FOR UPCOMING EPISODE OF BUFFY


Spike_14 You wrote:
Speaking of which, the episode "The I In Team," has a rating of TV14DSLV. What characters will be a part of the "extreme sexual situations?"
That's easy enough to answer: Willow and Tara will share smoochies and since it's *gasp* two women that's an "extreme" sexual situation...

just kidding! But really I couldn't resist -- it was too easy...


MINOR RATINGS-RELATED SPOILER FOR AN UPCOMING EPISODE OF BUFFY

DSP


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LittleEsperansa ( Faith ) says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:13:28 2000 152.163.205.33)
.... hi everyone, i've read some of the comments on last night's BTVS and Angel eppys, very nice and insightful. Just wanted to say that scene SPOILER with Giles chasing Prof. Walsh down the sidewalk END SPOILER ... halarious --- not to mention Giles looked oh so sexy ( *tee-hee* i know i'm very very weird did LilBufBuf tell you that ) Anyways i'm out *smoochies* to all G*-bye.


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Clattering says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:13:25 2000 209.244.129.146)
I see Sam Hain was here....aww shucks. Hate to miss his scathing remarks....*g* But I see he refers to himself, RTBS, and a few others as the Horsemen...when I was assured by him that he, Brother, Big Boy and Kirbyclause were the original 4 Whorsemen of the Apocalypse.....hmmmm.

OzLady - You around at all?

Back later....driving on slippery roads for some fun for a minute

Clatter


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Matt the Bruins fan says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:11:00 2000 206.31.149.35)
KAM
Actually, there was that bit about Vampire Willow's personality (licking women and all) being a reflection of Willow's own in "Doppelgangland." But I do agree that any moves in that direction would be counter to most of what we've seen about the character. I just yearn for the days of sweet, optimistic, so the Net Girl Willow (as opposed to weepy, self conscious, black magic using Wilow).

Matt the Bruins fan


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Kameko says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:10:40 2000 24.131.170.254)
Currently playing hooky from a really boring seminar. . .

KAM - I agree with you on the Willow issue. I think it would be out of character for her to explore a lesbian relationship. I do see lesbian undercurrents in her scenes with Tara, but it looks to be one-sided. The melty looks and breathless adoration is all coming from Tara. Willow is just being friendly and intrigued by the whole witchcraft thing. I wouldn't mind the issue being raised in the form of Tara having a serious crush on Willow and Willow being flustered and confused and flattered and not sure how to deal with it, but Willow suddenly "discovering" that she's bisexual would be a serious departure from the character we've come to know over three years.


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Masquerade says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:09:55 2000 128.218.111.104)
DSP: I will read your post in more depth a little later and respond, I'm on my way to a doctor's appt right now. I like Maggie so far, though, she's intriguing, even if, IMO, she needs to "get some" and relax and enjoy life a little *g*. I also like Bronzing from my T1 line, too, which was hard to do at my old job because I wasn't in my office enough, being an evil bitch monster of death.


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Gemma says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:09:15 2000 152.163.213.182)
Hey
If anyone knows anyplace that has RECENT screen shots of either the show Buffy or Angel, PLEASSSSSSSSE email me ASAP!!!!!
Thanks!!


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Mr Pointy says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:08:59 2000 213.1.29.0)
So Faith returns this season (4)?


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Mr Pointy says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:08:32 2000 213.1.29.0)
Hey Ides of March is a xena episode where Gabrielle and Xena die on crosses, just thought I'd mention ... ok yes i do know this is a buffy room (lol).


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Moriah says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:08:24 2000 171.213.67.102)
Texas Wook I have a present for you, assumming you are going to the PBP and attending my Post PBP Party (there will be cookies of the homemade from scratch variety) and are going to be an official quoter....But things are ok. I hope they will be better in a week or so. At least I am getting sleep on a nightly basis. How are things with you?

Moriah
I like Spike.
Who is a little sad she didn't get to sit on Santa's lap and tell him what she wanted for Christmas.


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(Wed Jan 26 14:05:54 2000 192.139.245.254)
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LilBufBuf says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:05:09 2000 152.163.205.33)
fly-by .....

hmmm my friend Faith ( and yeah that's her real name and no she's not in a coma nor was she ever in one and no she didn't just wake up from her coma either ) wants to say hello to all you Bronzers ---that's ok right ? She's gonna post from my computer --- so when you see it, it's not me ok .... ? got it ?


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Clattering says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:05:01 2000 209.244.129.146)
...

cabin7dad I think you got the touche right...except for the accent...which i never know how to do on these computers...oh for a pen and paper...Anyway..you are ever gracious in receiving return flammage...i'll try to make it fake rocks and not real brick next time *G* (Even if you do complain about the Buffster....*g*)


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Lady of Buffdom says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:03:40 2000 205.188.198.28)
CB and Eiddileg - Minor correction from a longtime Roald Dahl fan. The BFG had snozzcumbers to eat since he didn't eat people (and yummy frobscottle to drink), and snozzcumbers were nasty. But snozzberries, as talked about in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, were sweet and delicious. And I have way too much trivia in my brain. :-)

SOMEWHAT SPOILERY!!
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Sam Hain - Hi! While I agree that the Initiative isn't making demons nonkillers only to make them fluffy happy members of society, and they are possibly even doing this to create "fodder for the frontline", how different is that than what a Slayer is to begin with? She's the girl who is picked, not a volunteer, to fight the battles of a war she'll never win, for the good of people she mostly doesn't know. Pretty much the same as the scenario for the demons through the Initiative. So why not combine them, if the WC thinks their purposes would be served?

I don't think Buffy's mentioned anything about Faith (but I also think that she has a brain in her head), and I'm also confused about how there would be dozens of rogue Slayers. Just kill em and trust that modern medicine can bring them back, and make a whole Slayer army? I don't see that happening.

And again, the speculations were never meant to be the likely scenario, just what we came up with upon discussion.
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END SPOILERS!!

-Lady of B. <><


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DSP says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:03:32 2000 204.143.232.230)
eye=suck

pedals=petals


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DSP says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:03:01 2000 204.143.232.230)
I am getting no work done.

Belated hello to MeeB!

greengirl what devil said.

SPOILERS FLOATING, PEDALS BURSTING BELOW

Masquerade It's more fun to post in the day when you are hooked up to a T1 line. Although I get distracted and confused. Also re: Maggie Walsh... I don't think she's evil. I posted about this last night. Did you scroll? I don't feel like regurgitating. Wait, let me use my super fast T1 connection to scroll back and retrieve that post and copy/paste for you:
re: Maggie Walsh
I don't think she is evil. I think she is passionate about eliminating demonic forces and about her field
of study and has become or is becoming a zealot. My speculation is that her motives are good, but her
methods are quite questionable (as seen in the disturbing fascism of the Initiative and its
unconstitutional control over the town) and that as she becomes more fanatical about her cause
she will end up causing great harm. I see her trying to exploit Buffy.

I also find it fascinating that the character of Maggie has been imbued with what we stereotypically
consider "male" traits: aggressive, tough, blunt, no nonsense, unquestionably in charge etc.
Certainly Buffy possesses those traits but Maggie doesn't have the pretty pink outfits or silver
nailpolish (like our Slayer) to "soften" any of those characteristics. So while I personally dislike
her as well, at the same time I have to question (for myself) if seeing a woman who is so "hard"
is part of my intense negative reaction to her. I am curious to see what they will do with Maggie.

(BTW Masque, I corrected some typos and confusing wordings).

Has Buffy lost respect for Giles?
A resounding no. I think I answered this in my big post about reading "A New Man" as an allegory for a young person (Buffy) entering college/the world and the resulting shifts in your relationship with your family/home base (Giles). Buffy is dazzled at all the new things out there, Maggie, the Initiative, new boyfriend, finding out she can do well in class, etc. I think it's common for a teenager in such a situation to forget for awhile (or even neglect) where she came from, esp. her parents/parental figures. It's common to even push your parents/family/home away or feel slightly contemptuous of them. And of course the parent is going to feel neglected and disrespected and forgotten. We saw all of that in "A New Man." But it in no way suggests that Buffy no longer respects Giles. I actually think it's quite healthy and normal for Buffy to be looking to Maggie (or another adult figure) for guidance. It's part of the process of growing up and figuring out who you are. I think it may turn out to be a mistake, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.

SPOILERS ABOVE FOR A NEW MAN

You guys crack me up trying to decode 314 and 730. I think they are the birthdays of the writers' pets... that's my theory and I am sticking to it. *g*

DSP


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Laura says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:02:16 2000 152.163.213.52)
Hey guys! Just passing through the bronze. I havn't been here in a week. anyway, i didnt see last nights episode. I was busy studying for midtermms....grrrrr


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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:01:28 2000 208.202.64.99)
jaybee Well, I was very sad to see gay Larry had bought it. Yep. Plus, the actor is a very nice guy. He loved Bronzers! Sad, sad.

Okay, stick a fork in me, I'm done.

not literally, Eiddileg!

CB


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4paws says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:01:05 2000 204.178.77.90)
Progress report- the Compaq has not blown up... yet...
4p


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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 26 14:00:20 2000 209.100.92.79)
Hello again,

Possible Spoiler talk
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2
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On room 314--I seriously doubt that Faith is in there--They didn't believe in Slayers, so why else would Faith be in there?

On the Willow/Tara issue. Well in my opinion this has little to do with Lesbianism, and a lot to do with established character.

Why should I (if it even happens) agree that this is believable? Would I think it was good writing to see Willow suddenly start to enjoy Frogs, or hate computers, or be contemptuous of others, or be disloyal or be greedy or selfish, or reckless, or carefree, or disinterested in School and Academics, or a big drinker or any other common thing?

No--I wouldn't accept ANY of those things without a good explanation and reason why the character is changing. It is not at all unreasonable to look at a character and expect some consitency. It doesn't matter of the change is sexual orientation, or some other personal change--good or bad. If they make a sudden change they had better explain it or they should expect people to be confused and disappointed.

It has nothing to do with Sex--it has to do with the established character. I don't recall there ever being any reference to Willow having any tendency to being attracted to Women, so unless they give me a good reason--I don't want it.

To be honest I would be suprised if they did go that direction. I don't see them devoting enough time to Willow to make it seem non-contrived, and tittleating.

I think all this lesbian talk is a lot of people getting baited an hooked when we are gonna find something totally different happening.

Of course I could be proven wrong too.
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5
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Spec above

KAM
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TexasWook says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:59:39 2000 207.82.111.152)
Leather Jacket I'm going to have second Sam Hain's of the scenes in American Pie, although i'm probably not the subject expert that Sam is

Moriah *smooch* hey what's up you h*ttie

CB I rest my case... against both you and my sister

Texas


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SPIKE_14 says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:59:08 2000 206.29.110.80)
Hey bronzers! What's up?

SPOILERS

3

2

1

Okay. First off, I loved last nights episode. It was at first a little slow but got moving quickly. I'm glad that they recognized that Giles has been left out a lot this season. I think they handled this episode very well. That whole 3-1-4 thing was the coolest thing on Buffy since Faith's turn to the darkside.
HERE IS MY THEORY ON 3-1-4
I do believe Maggie Walsh will be the bad guy this season. But I just don't see any significance between her and Faith. I think Faith has nothing to do with the Initiative or 3-1-4. But I do think that she will stir things up once again. I do think that Maggie is just using the Riley and the rest of the Initiative to gain power. She will then turn on them only to defeat the slayer.

MY FAITH THEORY
As some of you know, Faith WILL be returning in episodes 15 and 16. My guess is that Buffy will be haunted with dreams similar to the one she had in GD2. These dreams will have some significance to helping Buffy solve a mystery that will be causing problems for the scooby gang. Then at the end of episode 15, Faith will wake up from her a coma. Then in episode 16, she will regain her strength and go after Buffy.

WILLOW/TARA RELATIONSHIP THEORY
Okay. I really, really don't like Tara. And I don't like where there relationship is going. I think that Tara has some relationship with Maggie and is using Willow to defeat the slayer. You know how Angel tried to hurt Buffy emotionally in season 2? I also think that Tara has more power than she says. I think that the flower flying all over the room last night was the effect of her evil. As for a lesbian relationship between the two...... I just don't see it working. Then the show would be about Willow being a lesbian and the character that we all know and love would be lost forever. First of all, there have been no hints to a lesbian sexuality. Thus, it would make it unbelievable. Willow has obviously shown true love for Oz and I do think that the characters are soul mates. If there would happen to be an episode where two women kissed then there would be a big hype about it and it would take everything away from the shows morals. But, if they can pull this storyline off, then I say go for it. Just as long as I don't lose my Willow........

Speaking of which, the episode "The I In Team," has a rating of TV14DSLV. What characters will be a part of the "extreme sexual situations?"

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2

3

END SPOILER

BUFFY TRIVIA QUESTION:
What is Xanders middle name?

"Bloody hell!"
"Come on people. This isn't a spectators sport!"

SPIKE
WILLIAM THE BLOODY
cainer_14@n2mail.com


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kim! says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:58:57 2000 192.6.114.30)
Hey Bronzer You might want to explain who the "Apollo crew" are. We all know they're the site administrators, but a newbie wouldn't. Otherwise, keep up the good work!!!


kim!


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Rags says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:58:46 2000 198.188.16.28)
We seem to have a few newbies among us today, and, as it is a lot of effort to click on those Welcome Wagon links, I thought I might offer my assistance by summarizing the netiquette rules for newcomers. My memory may be a bit faulty (or a Basil Fawlty--I'm no longer sure which), but to the best of my recollection they include the following:

The Rules of Bronzing:

1. Please limit yourself to four posts an hour, unless a VIP is present, it is LOSERs, or someone insults your 'shipper preferences.

2. Please do not post ALL IN CAPITAL LETTERS, unless, of course, LilBufBuf is present.

3. Please use Spoiler Warnings, unless you forget, it is LOSERs, or there are Canadians hanging around.

4. Unclaimed loose tags become the property of the finder.

5. Do not give your real name or address to anyone with a Food Group, Body Piercing, or Endangered Animal reference in their posting name.

6. Please refrain from using hurtful or abusive language toward any national, religious, or ethnic group--except of course men, on whom it is always open season.

7. Please keep your Gutter Fantasies private, or, if you cannot, please label them with Gutter Warnings, so that Eire, Slavey, Old One, and I can find them more easily.

Thank you for your co-operation. :-)


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Wolvie says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:58:39 2000 212.65.60.200)
Not really here. Greetings to all... Kendra: {{{HUGS}}} sweet

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Bronzer says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:54:35 2000 209.255.249.52)
GENERAL REMINDER TO ALL NEW POSTERS


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TaraAnyaKate4eva says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:53:13 2000 24.128.190.214)
Opps I pressed a period by mistake


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TaraAnyaKate4eva says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:52:31 2000 24.128.190.214)
StGermain: Sorry about that...Nobody has said anything to me for the past two days. Oh well. you live and learn I guess. I can read everyone else but I have difficulties. I cant wear my contacts right now because I have the flu and You're not suppose to wear them while you have the flu because the germ can be carried in them....WOW Useless knowledge girl has struck Again-lol. Thanks and *smootch*


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Monique says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:50:53 2000 198.112.59.50)
Miriam: I find your comment about Riley/Marc to be incredibly rude and short-sighted. If you're going to criticize the direction of the show, please try to do it without being mean to the actors. Back up your problems with insightful comments, and people are more likely to pay attention to you. Confuse being witty with being mean, and you're just going to annoy people.


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jaybee says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:50:45 2000 212.140.69.16)
ClosetBuffaholic - hi, we've never met but I'm a lurker mostly who jumps into a conversation every so often!

Its just that I think we should have a memorial, or something, for Larry. On Graduation Day I couldn't believe he had actually been killed & that he'd just been knocked out, but I've read the yearbook & to my horror found his name in it!

Do other people share my feelings? (& I apologise to those UKers who are only on BBC & have only just met Larry - its gonna be a beautiful relationship!)


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StGermain says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:49:07 2000 208.129.249.2)
TaraAnya - Yep. Closing tags is considered polite. Mot a huge problem, but it is nice not to have these glaring posts. If you have problems reading your own, don't you have problems reading other people's posts? Why not put your glasses/contacts on?

StG


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$L@ye® says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:48:47 2000 195.92.67.36)
Snowflake: I've sent you an e-mail with all my details to join the Scooby Gang.

I'm going now.......byeeee

~:~ GONE ~:~

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Masquerade says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:47:40 2000 128.218.111.104)
SPOILERS


Unearthly: concur on your post re: Giles' self-respect and Buffy "treating him like family".

devil: the rainbow was the symbol of my dorm unit (we weren't a sorority per se, but a similar idea), and that wasn't meant to indicate anything but how annoyingly cheery we were all supposed to be. *ack* But I agree that Joss is playing with the subtext in the Willow/Tara case. It's there for those who notice these things to, well, notice. As to your post to greengirl re: Willow's sexuality, the evidence she might not be on the far end of the heterosexual pole comes from vampWillow's openness about it. That assumes of course that vamps are like their human predecessors, but in the same eppy (Doppelgangland) Angel said vamps are like their human predecessors, and NO ONE is more loathe to admit that than him.


SPOILERS


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TaraAnyaKate4eva says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:47:22 2000 24.128.190.214)
StGermin: I know how to close the bold...I do know a lot of html. I just cant read it if its not bold because I dont have my contacts in. Is it a problem that I dont?


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StGermain says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:45:47 2000 208.129.249.2)
Hiya, Sam Hain!

RTBS
- I'm glad to see you're getting some posting time in.

Leather Jacket - You can't speak for all gays? But, but...I thought coming out made you an Official Spokesgayperson. ;-)

TaraAnya Etc - To close tags (stop bolding, whatever) put a / in front of the letter between the brackets.

StG


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$L@ye® says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:45:23 2000 195.92.67.36)
Ok, So I have been lurking for about an hour now and I'm getting sleepy. I promise I'll create some amazing debates 2morrow If someone would just talk to me !!!! :(

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Miriam says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:44:43 2000 168.156.29.64)
why must we continue to suffer "Riley?"!!
it is an unsettling thing to watch this inbred prince replace our doll Angel...leave Buffy alone, if she can't have Angel and Angel can't have her...than leave them be!
Both characters stand alone very well and are complimented only by oneanother!


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belmont says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:44:30 2000 166.68.134.165)
i've kept quiet for most of today, but i have to post now...

SPOILERs

about 314
i have to agree with SAFARIGIRL. i think this is an omen about the ides of March. notice that March 14th is a tuesday. also, i've been hearing speculation and rumors about the possible turning of a character close to buffy for a while now. the character that the rumors indicate is xander. as to the means in which he betrays buffy are numerous. although there is evidence that riley may betray her. how is he so strong? are demon hunters born naturally strong? are the foot soldiers of the initiative injected with some strength serum? if my specualtion is correct, what happens if riley becomes addicted to this serum because he wants to be just as strong as the slayer or finally realizes what the initiative is trying to do and attempts to go "cold turkey"?

Joss has yet to show us...


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-belmont
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(Wed Jan 26 13:44:20 2000 207.8.1.21)
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TaraAntaKate4eva says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:44:11 2000 24.128.190.214)
Woohoo....You guys are looking into this 314 way too much!! LOL...But you are making some good points. Now now...that Ides of March thing was.....strange...LOL. But why are you saying Faith is going to return 3/15.... 3/14 is a tuesday....Ooohhh...314...This is getting good. LOL...Joss you make me spazed


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Moriah says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:43:30 2000 171.208.4.200)
Who needs soap operas when you can read the board? The board is filled with philosophy and intrigue, not to mention subjects concerning manly men, colors of crayons and authorities on masterbation.

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Sam Hain says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:42:28 2000 204.94.177.128)
texaswook: I make peanuts as is and unloading trucks would be a welcomed change from the crap I'm doing now. I'm going nuts at this place, I nearly kicked my boss in the spine earlier this week. It's torture.

Let your sis know I emailed her last night. You know how she is about checking her mail.

Closet Buffyholic: Hey, yourself!


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MeeB says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:41:55 2000 171.218.45.139)
Hey Snowflake!!! People don't be needin' to submit songs parodying me anywhere! I parody myself every day just fine, thank you very much! *g*

tourogal: It's called Taking out the Trash Day. And it will have lots of different threads running through it -- one of which will deal with more Leo repercussions. Should be fun!

Isolde: thanks! You vagued that up for me just fine. :-)

Circe: No, that was the one. You have return e-. :-)

Closet Buffyholic: *smooch* and {{{hug}}} from me. And Rip says *woof*! Just 'cuz. :-)
SPOILERS FOR A NEW MAN

Leather Jacket -- yeah, I just had warning bells going off in both Buffy's scene with Walsh and Giles'. I'm not quite sure how my "Walsh has known all along" theory really works. But at the very least, Buffy told Walsh about the Watchers and Walsh knew perfectly well who Giles was -- which is just cruel and mean and way evil. Perhaps Walsh didn't know the Slayer was real, but seeing now that she is, is going to try to take advantage of her. Yeah. That'll work. Which is why how ever things shake down, I still see the gang having to run and hide from The Initiative at some point. And Riley being put in a very tough place. Hmmm.



END SPOILERS FOR A NEW MAN


MeeB


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Robert Dinel says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:41:26 2000 213.1.35.134)
LOADS of decent ideas, and possible eps, wondering where to send them, mail me @ robert_dinel@hotmail.com.


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fenric says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:40:54 2000 216.78.218.85)
RTBS, Sam Hain
Hey there, fellow HOTH! I am around today due to all the snow... will either of you be in LA? The Enforcer and I will both be there...

BTW, my namesake is headed for the WWF...

Good to see you both... 4HOTH 4-LIFE! WHOOO!

fenric


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Safarigirl says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:40:24 2000 209.87.233.6)
eye = suck

line should read:

betrayal = much pain and suffering for us.

and I forgot to finish it up: Joss = Evil. QED. *g*


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TaraAnyaLate4eva says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:39:44 2000 24.128.190.214)
Boy- its such a small world we live in. I just watched The journey of Natty Gan. and you know who plays Natty? Meredith Salnger. She played Grace Newman in "I only have eyes for you". I bet you knew this, In 'Bye bye love', Eliza dushku, Lindsay Crouse, and Amber benson was in it....The usless knowledge girl has struk again!


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Kendra says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:39:40 2000 192.139.245.254)
Oh neat...My first jeopardy win...thanks TexasTrabek


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Safarigirl says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:38:37 2000 209.87.233.6)
RSO Kansas


More Spoilers, If I can remember what they were...






and now I remember.

If 314 = date of faith's return, and the number on the door is simply a red herring, then Buffy is taking a turn for the Shakespearean.

Observe:

314 = March 14 = one day less than March 15
March 15 = the Ides of March
Beware the Ides of March!
Ides of March = Julius Caesar, a play about friendship and betrayal.
friendship and betrayal = "Et tu, Brute?" = One of Buffy's friends - her closest, most trusted one, is going to betray her.
Likely suspect to take the Brutus role = new boyfriend, Riley and/or old friend/loyal foot soldier, Xander.

betrayal = much pain and suffering for the us.

Therefore: Beware the Ides of March!



"And this! This was the unkindest cut of all..." - Marc Antony, in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.





I remembered the Spoilers!


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Sam Hain says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:37:26 2000 204.94.177.128)
Leather Jacket: As somewhat of an authority on masturbation I found the scenes of self-satisfaction contained in "American Pie" to be believable and therefore well performed.

WACC King
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and the Whole F'N Show at this postingboard


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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:37:10 2000 208.202.64.99)
TexasWook I like your sister.

CB


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TexasWook says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:35:52 2000 207.82.111.152)
Sam Hain hey actually they are now paying up $1000 in relocation expenses if you come to work for applied... granted you'd probably be unloading trucks @ $13/hr but still they'd pay for you to move to austin... then you could harrass my sister

Cate Nu uh

Texas


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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:35:28 2000 208.202.64.99)
Leather Jacket AAAH! Math! My eyes, my eyes!

Sam Hain Hey there.

RTBS Well, that's obviously the reason why people seem to be upset at the direction(s) Willow is going this season. She needs to lay off the majik and get back to the fighting tactic that made her famous - whacking! Yes, let her get a good crack in with a fire extinguisher or two, and she'd be back in the thick of the Scooby Gang! "Feeling down? Not Wicca-ey enough for your liking in your Wicca group? Whack 'em with a fire extinguisher! That'll bring 'em around to your way of thinking!"

Eiddileg Clearly that English teacher had no taste. Philistine.


CB


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VIOLA13 says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:34:39 2000 152.163.195.186)
ANGLE WAS SO HOTT TOO BAD HE LEFT. RIALY IS CUTE BUT I THINK HE SUX SOMETIMES


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TexasTrabek says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:33:46 2000 207.82.111.152)
Cate, narrator, MeeB nope it's gotta be purple

TouroGal & CB sorry gals but i won't be working with any of the pooters they sell i'll be working on their payroll systems but if you tell me who's supposed to be working on your systems then imight be able to make em not get paid on time iffin they don't get you your pooters

TexasWook

oh yeah today's jeopardy winner is Kendra...nicely don


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Isolde says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:32:25 2000 199.105.252.66)
Kansas You're absolutely correct; the immediate source is the Arthur Brooke poem, but the earliest account of the story is Pyramus and Thisbe. R&J has been drilled into me since I was six (I don't mind at all) because my father is a huge Shakespeare fan, and now I am too.

lunecokay, until tomorrow.


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Unearthly says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:32:00 2000 161.114.71.61)

Spoiler Space>>>>>>>>>>
4
3
2
1
Masquerade, Suzanne:
No, I don't believe Buffy has lost respect for Giles. As Suzanne mentioned, Buffy's closeness to Giles cause her to treat him more like family. In that respect, it is a "You always hurt the ones you love" kind of situation. I do believe that Giles may be losing some of his self respect, that he is comparing himself to Walsh, and that Buffy's inadvertent comments didn't help matters.

Unearthly


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myst says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:31:15 2000 205.188.198.181)
oh..hiya ppl. Just came to say how much i'm enjoying the episodes of seson 4 on sky 1 in the UK. But i missed last fridays and was wondering if ppl can fill me in??? it was called, well, umm.. the one with spike and the ring thing. I think it was a crossover ep with 'Angel' (which i missed too!) okie :-) thanx hope to hear from ppl soon :-) mystxxx


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Leather Jacket says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:29:48 2000 192.91.146.35)
Helpful hints Questions & answers
Friend or Foe's Newbie page OzFan's Newbie page
Welcome Wagon Spoiler Warning Examples

Mister Politically Incorrect : Two quibbles: 1 While American Pie was offensive and tasteless (and thus I could categorize it as "bad") Creul Intentions was actually well-performed and interesting (to me) so I wouldn't call it "bad", just not "Oscar-worthy". 2 Réné DesCarte actually said "Je pense donc je suis", meaning "I think, therefor I am".

Narrator : That rubber duckie better be holified!

Circe : I figure people leave the movie theater because they need to get to wherever they're going. Plus, the theater turns on the lights and you can't see anyway. When watching TV, you get more people who are there for the long haul, and sometimes they want to see who played who.
Suzanne : If we could convince the networks that we won't watch shows advertised during that credit-scrunching or by products advertised then, and if we can convince them that "we" are big enough, then we might convince them that the scrunching is counter-productive.

SPOILER ALERT FOR Buffy (A New Man)

MeeB : All last night, and up until I saw your 12:49:24 post, I was thinking Walsh didn't know who Giles was. But then it got me thinnin. Regardless of Walsh's opinions about Buffy's family life, to bandy about with them to a stranger, who claims to be "the librarian from her high school" is highly unprofessional. There was no reason for her to share intimate assumptions details of Buffy's life with someone who was supposedly not intimate (minds out of the gutter, people) with Buffy herself. She must have known that Giles was the father figure she claimed Buffy lacked.
"Okay, I get it. You're Evil." - Buffy, Amends

Isolde : 3 -1-4 versus 7-3-0. Obviously, 7 is one more than twice 3 and 14 is one less than half of 30. Obviously, they're the same number, metaphysically, and Faith is in that room, telling Professor Walsh how to Ascend when Buffy dies at the end of the fifth season.

END SPOILER ALERT FOR Buffy (A New Man)

greengirl : Well, I can't speak for all gays, but I won't feel insulted if she experiments... unless the writers do it cheaply, which I don't think is going to happen.

If you've lost the WB programming because you watched it on WGN on cable, please call 888-474-9292 to find where it might be playing in your area. (Thanks, willa)

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Circe says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:29:12 2000 208.223.117.45)
MeeB: got your first e & replied. Was there another? If so, hasn't shown yet.

Cate: Well, considering that I'd have no idea how to start…or what the REAL reason is for no category, I reluctantly tend to agree with you. I'd be willing to bet that the reason the TPTB gave the union (that creative/technical/condoning violence crap) is NOT the reason. More likely, some group with more clout doesn't want that category to happen. Hmmmmm, directors, maybe?

Suzanne, Little Bam Bam: Anybody finds out any place to write re: the credits, let's share with the others & figger something out, k. Got some media contacts I could try. Let you know.

Circe


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Sam Hain says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:29:07 2000 204.94.177.128)
texaswook: Hey, I heard you were in London for New Year's. I was..at home..watching wrestling..alone. You need to hook me up with a job and some expense for exotic travels.


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RTBS says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:27:38 2000 165.110.112.1)
Sam Hain Hey-yo Big Man! Good to see you again. I've been gone from the board for awhile lately, but I'm trying to make my way back. Nice to see another Horseman. Don't see too much of fenric or Immortal but regardless, we're still the 4HOTH 4-life. Drop me a line at the e-mail addy above, since I'm not sure if your e-mail has changed recently. We'll catch up. Wooooooo! to you!

RTBS


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Cate says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:26:58 2000 38.233.208.69)
Wook - Way!

CB - Bye!

*poof!*


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devil says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:25:58 2000 141.161.189.39)
Spoilers Below:


DSP: Well, next time... hey, I could be the Official Subtext Spotter of W/t in 2000!

Masq: True, I even had a rainbow phase myself (when i was like 7 years old), but combined with the rose scene and the lie, it screams subtext.

greengirl: I doubt if it happens with Willow and Tara it'll be an "I'll experiment because it's trendy" thing. I suspect it's more that in the Jossiverse (and I think in real life--I've never felt inclined that way, but from what others who are or have been have said) sexual preference is not two poles of heterosexual or homosexual but a continuum, in which there are many people who are located at one or the other end and are ONLY attracted to people of the opposite or same sex, but also lots of people located at other points along the continuum, who have varying levels of attraction to both teh opposite and the same sex. Under this model, Willow could primarily be attracted to men, but have some level of interest in women... enough to be curious anyway.


SPOILERS ABOVE

devil

who's not getting any work done at all


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TexasWook says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:25:01 2000 207.82.111.152)
was taht Sam Hain I saw? no way?


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Kansas says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:24:45 2000 159.10.4.47)
CB - I'm still confused, but that's a normal state for me. *g*

Isolde, Cosmic Bob - The immediate source for Shakespeare's play was Arthur Brooke's narrative poem The Tragical History of Romeus and Juliet, published in 1592. But Pyramus and Thisbe may be the origin of the basic story.


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Eiddileg says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:24:07 2000 167.127.142.2)
StGermain, CB Ah, see, I remember that now. But Roald Dahl must be recycling his schnozzelberries, because they're in the BFG too. The BFG likes his schnozzelberries. Yum.

CB Well I knew that. About the Princess Bride. Would you remember who you are talking to? A princess bride junkie! *sigh* The dread pirate Wesley in tights. Hummina But she wasn’t. She was just being a bad english teacher. What about fostering creativity? Huh? Don’t they teach that in school anymore? Clearly not, because I put my teacher to the test and she FAILED!


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Kendra says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:23:27 2000 192.139.245.254)
MPI OH OK then. And yes an hour.. and thats only if I sit down and do nothing but translate for an hore. I could cheat and use the translater computer program but thats not as much fun.. Thanks anyway though


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lunec says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:23:11 2000 206.102.93.34)
Isolde You only need be afraid if "staggering leaps of logic which fall far short of their target" I'm paraphrasing, shehawken. intimidate you. Sadly, whup is way high right now and I can't give the rambling explanation the time it so doesn't richly deserves. Will compose my thoughts and post tomorrow, if that suits...? Then you can scroll or ignore at your leisure.

Off, then, to do actual work.


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Sam Hain says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:22:40 2000 204.94.177.128)
RTBS: You're as insightful as ever, my good man. You should have been in Vegas the Horsemen's home away from home. So, how have things been?


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Vaal says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:21:42 2000 213.1.17.87)
MAPB - hey ho sailor , hows about a large JD?


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Snowflake says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:21:03 2000 207.8.1.21)
here is another shameless plug for...



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Lovely Poet says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:21:01 2000 131.183.101.24)
Cosmic Bob
Thank you soo much! I couldn't remember the name of the play... I just knew it was the one that he had the players performing in Midsummer.

Labrynth
guess what I just remembered.... Ulysses.. ya know, "michaels" favorite book was banned in the US from 1918-33 due to obscene content.. *hmm* makes me think a bit.

LP


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tourogal says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:20:42 2000 207.10.92.75)
closet watson - you rang? anybody want a PEANUT?

cate - crayon. oh, and PURPLE!

dml - I disagree. I can't explain why I disagree because its a feeling I have from having friends who have gone through it.Yes, she might be repressing. No, I do not consider her relationship to be a rebound relationship. She had Poophead for that. her relationship with riley is evolving. I don't see it as the same type of relationship at b/a. I do see all sorts of opportunities for this to go right and for this to go wrong though. this one is definitely more realistic than b/a imo.

MeeB - is this a Leo backlash ep?

p.


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WallEyed says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:20:07 2000 199.179.188.8)
cabin7dad - Well I'm back from lunch and I have to give the nacho cheese chalupas a moderate thumbs up. I liked 'em but something was missing. The White Album was my first Beatles album, er... cassette. Abbey Road is a must to get on CD and I dig Revolver so I'll start with those two. I'm getting them this weekend so I'll hopefully have them on my list for next CD Player Thursday!


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MPI says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:19:46 2000 212.83.133.4)
Kendra: just one hour !! It's very difficult to understand ( for a French too...).Don't translate that.
It's funny but for a French...I'm sorry.
Just to show that i have the same problem when you speak your English-American with "strange words".
MPI
qui vous embrasse tous, même les gars...LOL


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(Wed Jan 26 13:19:43 2000 195.92.194.21)
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Owner of a Well Trained Groin (as stated by Jeff Pruitt).
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Sam Hain says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:19:11 2000 204.94.177.128)
SPOILERS AHEAD! Well, not really but I don't want to be on the receiving end of some bitching.




Lady of Buffdom: I think it premature to say that the implants prevent demons and the like from harming humans all together. I'd say it keeps them leashed until the Initiative determines who they want taken care of. The Governments involvement, which I find silly BTW, and their capture/implant mission suggests that the demons are alive for more than just their being given a second chance at a "normal life." It's not our good nature allowing them to live. It's a perversion of good based on someone's ideal. I suspect the demons are being collected and ultimately controlled to be used as fodder on the frontline.

And if Buffy had half a brain, which she doesn't, she would keep quiet about Faith. Or esle we're liable to have a few dozen slayers who make Faith look like a girl scout working for a neferious organization.

I've never made it a secret how disappointed I've been in the development of the Watcher's Council storyline, but perhaps the whole story has yet been told. The WC is disorganized and not especially thorough(i.e. a dormant Faith, a Rogue Buffy and their main weapon agaisnt demons). But they are secretive and proud, maybe they've been at war with "314" for years? And they're scattered and in disarray. This I could accept.




SPOILERS


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4paws says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:18:42 2000 204.178.77.90)
Wish me luck... I'm on the Acer now, trying to fix the Compaq, and I have no freakin' idea what I'm doing!!!
4 excareded paws...


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Tana says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:18:29 2000 209.115.91.135)
Labrynth Isn't he entitled to his opinion just as you are to yours? Yes, I was around lurking when he stated his opinion, so I am somewhat aware of what's going on.

keywe Yeppers...that's me in a nutshell. hee!

Hi deadguy! *wave*

Tana


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Corvus says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:18:28 2000 206.98.125.107)
Hi Masquerade

Meeb
Ho hum!


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RTBS says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:18:13 2000 165.110.112.1)
Closet Buffyholic I must be channeling you today (or vice-versa) because my computer problems are of the suck as well. I'm using a non-pentium 75 right now... can you say Slower than molasses in January? I knew you could. Still, with a good whack that Willow would be proud of, I've managed to keep it from crashing entirely... so far.

SPOILERS (sort of)

New Man.... I liked it. Particuarly the Superhero interaction betwixt Buffster and Iowa Boy. Reminds me somewhat the interaction between Batman and Superman when they first met. (except for the romantic possibilities of course) One's more powerful, but one's obviously more connected, professional and analytical about things. It's an uneasy alliance at first, but it works, which is they're called World's Finest anytime they team up.

Expecting... well, I'm expecting I'll continue liking Angel less than I did before Wesley's arrival if they keep up the slapstick. Wesley CAN work as "the third" which I think is important in connecting the main characters of Angel and Cordelia. In fact, when he's not acting like "Giles lite" I think the Wesley character is quite a good fit and that Alexis's chemistry with Charisma and David is more than acceptable. However, the slapstick has GOT to stop! In Buffy it was "cute" and their seemed to be a whole lot less of it as I recall, but it worked. Why? Because Wesley was a fringe character (for lack of a better term). Why isn't it working on Angel? Two reasons - First, he's no longer on the fringe. There needs to be more depth to this character and while we've seen hints of it, the slapstick negates any positive character development. Secondly, I think Angel is the more darker of the shows. A bit of slapstick doesn't stick out on Buffy as much as it does on Angel. Not to say that Angel isn't funny (cuz it is) but this type of humor is completely out of place. It's like teaming up Bat-mite with Batman. You can't take it seriously.

SPOILERS ABOVE and beyond...

Shouts to greengirl, KAM, Leather Jacket, Kim!, St. Germain, Closet Buffyholic, Angle Mankind, NUPhalanx, Blade, Occido, Shannah and whole host of others.

RTBS

Do you smell what the Rock is cooking?

No. I don't.

You know why you don't?

No. I don't.

Because it's your night to cook Mister and even if we have frozen pot-pies, I'm not cooking.

Talk about laying the smack down.


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cabin7dad says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:17:30 2000 198.3.210.210)
tourogal saw your post to dml (I think that's right) - about getting serious about their SOs rather quickly. I believe I created my Shout Out list rathey quickly........................

groan


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Vaal says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:15:53 2000 213.1.17.87)
MedusA - im pretty chipper thank you ma'am , care for a drink with me ? hows you?


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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:15:32 2000 208.202.64.99)
Eiddileg Well, I was quoting the Big French Giant from "Princess Bride" in my email.
Inigo: "You have a gift for rhyme."
"Yes, yes, some of the time."
Vezzini: "No more rhyming, I mean it."
"Anybody want a peanut?"
Vezzini: "Aaah!"


Eiddileg2 The schnozberries from Willy Wonka! Lickable wallpaper! Member? Veruca didn't believe there was such a thing as schnozberries. Humph!

Kansas Actually you posted something that made me post something from Willy Wonka.

CB
"The suspense is terrible. I hope it will last."


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Isolde says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:15:14 2000 199.105.252.66)
Darn it, Cosmic Bob you pointed out the R&J source before I had a chance to! *g*

Lovely Poet I don't think I've ever spoken to you, but while I was lurking last week, I saw your post about your anniversary. Happy Anniversary! I thought what you said was very nice.

Meeb Again I agree with you about Prof. Walsh and Giles. I think I vagued that up enough not to be spoilerish.


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carl says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:14:37 2000 209.240.197.24)
Marc Blucas Enthusiasts and all

No Spoilers from Wanda about meeting Marc.
Speaking of favorites...I have a new one. I never thought the day would come, but I'm finally ready to accept Marc Blucas (now a full-timer on Buffy, by the way). After this week's episode (and my first meeting with Marc), I'm totally smitten. He's sweet, personable and humble. When I told him about all of you--who, let's be honest, hated him at the beginning of the season--and how you supported him in the annual Wanda TV poll, a huge smile spread across his fine-looking face, and he swore I had made his night with the news.
"Most people resisted me, and many still do, but I think maybe they're warming up. It's much more a function of positioning, though, than me. First they had Buffy date a bad guy, and then in comes the new guy to punch him out. Then I save Willow from a speeding car. So, how can't we like the guy?" he said. I definitely agree.


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cabin7dad says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:14:25 2000 198.3.210.210)
Cosmic Bob and WallEyed Yes, I always struggle over where to place Sgt. Pepper on the list when I am asked to rank Beatle albums. Many times I agree with 2nd (behind Abbey Road of course), but then sometimes I think 5th. Maybe it's the over-played-ness of Sgt. Pepper that lessens its importance to me. Or maybe, I really have no valid reason, I'm not sure.

Oh yes, a complete Beatle collection must include Imagine and Band On The Run. Also, I never really recommended any Ringo albums - but Vertical Man (circa 1998) is spectacular and should be included in any definitive Beatles collection, in my opinion.


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mayven says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:14:23 2000 209.214.66.88)
I have a q, but can't direct it at anyone in particular so . . . .

Possible SPOILER
5
4
3
oh you get the point

Anyone/Everyone: In the last ep, Riley comments on Buffy's backflip up thingy in the graveyard as if he's never seen anyone do that yet last night while they were sparring, he did the same move? has so much time "passed" between eps that Buffy has already taught him how to do that??

Oh and, did/does Marc know Martial arts or did he have to learn etc??

y
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tc
Possible SPOILERS


may
*grins*


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Lady of Buffdom says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:13:17 2000 205.188.197.167)
Ooh, just rewatching "Hush" and I have a question. Have we seen the little girl who sings the song in Buffy's dream before? She reminded me of either the young Buffy or her cousin Celia in KBD. Any ideas? Or am I just on crack wouldn't be the first time?

Mysty Mage - Nah. Just one of the results of my crazy mind. Not that I'd be upset, though, mind you. :-)

-Lady of Buffdom <><


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StGermain says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:12:04 2000 208.129.249.2)
Eiddileg - From the movie Willie Wonka - (While licking the lickable wallpaper) "The strawberries taste like strawberries...the bananas (not baanaaanaaaa taste like bananas. And the schnozzleberries taste like schnozzleberries!"

StG


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zoey says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:11:44 2000 63.14.39.48)
greengirl...some people REALLY are lesbians. When I was in high school, I didn't display any "tendencies", but when I got into college, I fell in love with a girl who I hung out with, we've been together for over two years. Lesbians are a reality, so why would it "ruin" Willow. You don't need to put labels on relationships--if she finds companionship, intrigue, and love with a woman, so be it. It shouldn't matter, but apparently it does to some of you.


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MedusA says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:11:14 2000 194.168.240.29)
Vaal

Hi hon......how's you? (drunkenly waves back)


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Cate says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:10:21 2000 38.233.208.69)
Circe - You make good sense... and it all looks good on paper, but...

MeeB - Red.

Peanut - Red.

CB - *smooch!*

Narrator! Eiddileg!

C


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Kendra says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:09:19 2000 192.139.245.254)
MPI not to be a pest but could we get that in english...there's many people here (me included) that will have trouble translating that. It may end up being to big of a pain for that (it would take me about an hour, at least) Thanks.


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Masquerade says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:08:06 2000 128.218.111.104)
By the way....

Corvus: greetings, roomie!


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Mysty Mage says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:07:46 2000 152.175.221.2)
Narrator:
Instead of the shovel, you can always use Catherine Madison's statue.

Lady of Buffdom:
You're just desperate (that's not spelled right) for a Roswell/Buffy crossover aren't you?

re: Tara evil:
NO! When/if Amy gets de-ratted, Amy, Willow & Tara can become an awesome trio!

And speaking of Amy:

Amy Madison: girl next door, witch, rat...

Join the A.M.C.


The AMC is the original (aka first) fan club devoted to Elizabeth Anne Allen, who plays Amy on "Buffy". Amy is Sunnydale's very own teenage witch (Well, besides Willow). Forget the "Angel" spin-off (Which, I might add she will NOT be on), it should be "Amy: the Teenage Witch" (But then Sabrina would start sueing)! There is a newsletter type thing every time I get info about Elizabeth Anne or Amy. And the best part is...you don't have to do anything!!!!

So, e-mail me if you want to join!

Best Witches,

- Mysty Mage

"How I hate this, let me count the ways" - Amy Madison

Keeper of Amy's makeup kit
Keeper of Amy's lunch

Founder of the AMC
BAD #25
BAH: Willow/Aly floor #328
Elizabeth Anne Allen Fanclub #9
HMWL: #25 / A Chicken McNugget HMWL With A Choclate Milkshake
JP Gang
STAB #73
SWC: White Magic / Overseer of Amy Madison
WPWP #340
7.5% BtVS pure (92.5% BtVS corrupt)


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Masquerade says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:07:09 2000 128.218.111.104)
DSP: *alas* I have become a coffee-clubber/whup poster, and don't Bronze at night anymore. I miss hanging out with the evening board folks like Mircalla, Blueronin, gazoo, wolfguard (the latter two I see sometimes in the afternoon). I am SOO not the evening person, though, and it was tough when I posted at that time staying awake! The thing that kept me going was Mircalla's "I'm not a philosopher" philosophical posts and the fun of the Sistahood of Jhe gals!

Masquerade
"Maggie needs to get laid" club member #1


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MPI says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:06:36 2000 212.83.133.4)
Message published on the PB www.ifrance.com/heclmb :il était une fois l'histoire de germaine (l'eus-tu cru?) et d'un mec unique en son genre: elle raconte donc y'a ce mec là qui est tellement intelligent qu'il en est presque excitant et tellement fin d'esprit qu'l en est presque lourd. eh ben ce mec là il est tellement prenant, intellectuellement parlant bande de pères verts à part, que si jamais il baratine à propos de nain porte quoi, et bien on est sous le charme de la barbapapa et du babaorom (contre lequel astérix se bat prince ment). donc, au lieu de s'occuper de moi, il attaque louise parce que j'ai accepté par erreur l'invitation de bobby derrière le rocher avec sa belle feurari rouge sur la plaïa (arrière évidemment...); nan mais quel enfoiré ce bobby. donc en plus c'est pas de chance parce que louise elle préfère les parapluies parce qu'au moins avec eux on est à l'abri des mauvaises surprises et d'un déluge de déceptions, alors il ferait mieux de regarder vers moi plutot que de diverger ainsi entre l'infini dévouement et le karl absolu. donc j'attends avec impatience vos réponses parce que là il attend depuis tout à l'heure sous ma fenetre, et je risque de me le faire piquer parce qu'il pleut et que louise, qui a toujours au moins un parapluie sur elle, pourrait lui preter son arme fatale, un parapluie rose fluo à fleurs tropicales de bretagne. donc voila le temps que je me décide il est tombé pour moi, malade évidemment, et louise est arrivée avec son parapluie rose fluo à fleurs tropicales de bretagne. my friend's got a boyfriend but she hates that bastard...she tells me it everyday... donc c'est vraiment pas juste, parce que louise au moins elle avait son parapluie rose fluo à fleurs tropicales de bretagne pour se consoler, et moi j'ai rien, si ce n'est de savoir que bill clinton a pris au pied de la lettre le film "la vérité si je mens" parce qu'il a vraiment pris la chatte de lili dayan (monica lewinski) pour un allume-cigare... donc si je m'étais un décidée peu plus vite plutot que d'attendre des réponses éclairées juste par un écran de PC (pas PCSI svp) venant de personnes ne connaissant pas ce mec, eh ben louise serait avec son parapluie et moi avec ce mec là qui liquéfie le steack tartare en steack la tete à toto. donc en gros : C'est Avantageux de Rien Perdre En Divagations Inutiles Et Malsaines (CARPE DIEM quoi).
Auteur : si ce n'est toi c'est donc ton frère et on n'attendra pas votre soeur

MPI
News: America, the best foreign sold CD in France in 1999

One thing to say: CONGRATULATIONS


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Eiddileg says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:06:16 2000 167.127.142.2)
CB Okay, check my excitement. I thought you were quoting the BFG; the big friendly giant by one Roald Dahl. You know, the schnozzleberries? Are they in charlie too? Must research, reread….oh, go sing the oompa loompa song. And Freud’s head is already too big, it can’t really get any worse, but you’re right. Jung’s head is way too small. So Jungian it is, until the time comes when his head no longer fits around our post it notes. Then we will have to torment someone else’s. I nominate Confucius. Just ‘cause.

Narrator *squeal* just ‘cause I’m hopped up on caffeine. Oh yeah, and life.

loki searching for a trampoline. I know it’s gotta be around here somewhere.


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Comet says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:05:36 2000 205.188.196.22)
I love Buffy. The theory that a little blonde girl saveing the world, kicks ass. Oh I love Seth. Please have Oz come back.


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MeeB says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:03:50 2000 171.218.45.139)
Corvus: Nope, the lovely Lovely Poet is the leader of Jane's Junkies. I pretend to lead Marti's Minions. :-)


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Cosmic Bob says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:03:41 2000 168.97.99.66)
tourogal
Clearly your husband is a heterosexual male. With eyes.

cabin7dad
Yup. Abbey Road is the best album of all time. Then I would stick Sgt. Pepper in the second spot on the list of things to buy. But otherwise that's certainly the way to go about starting a Beatles collection. One shouldn't forget Imagine, Band On the Run, Wings Over America and Walls and Bridges. I also really liked 33&1/3.

Narrator
But we probably don't want them Bolding their spoilers! Snerk!

Lovely Poet
And I believe that hack Shakespeare stole the plot for Romeo and Juliet from Pyramis and Thisbee (my spelling is abysmal).

Cosmic Bob
JP Gang Member #34
Elizabeth Anne Allen Fan Club Member #1
Viva La Diva Member #80
We Possess Willow Power #1230
Adulating Sycophant #2 Robia Department Head
The Out-of-Control Shrine-rs #16
All For Anya #11
Fury's Fanatics #36
One of Marti's Minions
Danced With Eliza
"Fire bad. Tree pretty."


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dml says:
(Wed Jan 26 13:01:59 2000 150.108.156.34)
Tourogirl

Just a quick comment on Buffy's relationship moving too quickly. My observation was directed at Buffy/Riley specifically. From everything we know about Buffy do you really believe that she is emotionally and psychologically ready for another heart wrenching romantic saga. Just because she has not verbalized her feelings over the Angel breakup doesn't mean she's completely healed. Jane Espenson's earlier posts indicated that the Buffster is repressing. I agree and believe that our slayer is hoping that the pain and disappointment of not being able to have a normal relationship with the man she loves will go away a little sooner by having a serious boyfriend.

Thanks.


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Corvus says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:59:05 2000 206.98.125.107)
Meeb
Hey you. Are you the controller of Jane's Junkies? If you are add me to the list. *g* Just finished scrolling her posts last night.

SO’s to
4paws, aka Becker, A Polite Newbie, Acid Cross, Adina, Aethelaf, Aiglos, AjO,
AleXander, Alpy, Anais, Angel247,Angelphyre, Angle Man, Anne, Asanti., Basia, Bri, Briolette,
bec, Beldin, belmont, BeMu, Blackheart, Brat! BriarRose, Bubbles, buffy@10, buggo, cats, carl,
CharlieX, Circe, Claddagh,Closet Buffyholic,curlysue, Dana, Dark Lady, DELiver, DeMoriel
devil, Doc, drdan, Eidileg, EverDawn, Fatima, FASTEDDIE, Fax1, fbcrisi, fenric, Fiver, Fly-by-
Nite, Gangrel, gazoo, Grinn, Gryphon, gypsyrat, Grim Reaper, IceLord, Jade, jayne, Jasmen,
jazzybell, JeffK, Kenickie, keylime, Keywe, KitKat, KittyWillow, kim!, KimP, Koshi,
Kuglemass, Lady Bathory, Laurence, Layrynth, Leather Jacket, Lil, Tree, Little Willow, Lissa,
loki, LovelyPoet, LouWho, Lurking Little Feet, Mabb, Maverick, Masquerade, Megdalen,
MeeB, mélanie, Missi (The Bronze Bomber), Moriah, Mr.EverDawn,
Muffy the Vampire Annoyer, mudpuppy, Mrs Laurence, Natalie, nya, Oki’Llbyte, Overbite,
OzFan, Ozman, OzLady, PDR, Pixie, ?, RJ, Rachie, Sam Hain, Sanguineus, SarahW,
ShadowSlayer, shehawken, Slayed Soul, SpookyMagoo, spoon, St.Germain, ‘stina, StillLife,
stormtrooper, Sultress, SunnyD, SweetPer, Tallulahdahling, Tana, TastersChoice, TexasWook,
thy Slayer, Tourogal, Vaal, VaBuffyFan, Vaedus, valMichael, VoxMaille, WatcherX,
Werewolf, Where wolf?, Whelk, Wild Weasel, wolfguard, WolfShadow, Wolvie, X Lander,
Yooper, YOUNGBOB.


And SO’ to all you VIP types out there David, Seth, Ty King, RD, SMG, Erika,
Nicholas, Alyson, Anthony, Joss, Jeff Pruitt, Jymm the writer of the song, Chris Beck , Charisma, Todd, Marti,
TV James, Elizabeth Anne and anyone I’ve missed.


Corvus
"I survived Camp Cleio"
A former Laurence Fishie…..><((((o>
PBA #385
Proud Member of SPAGETTI
("… you could wake up in a coma")
SDA member owner of the adorable Precious
"Proud Honorary Member #75 of Buffy, Eh?"
S*C*R*E*W* the B*A*S*T*A*R*D*S member #63
Typing like a Spaz #5
Posting Board Porch Kitty #17
One of Marti’s Minions

"Take a moment to look up and watch the eagles soar"

Working and lurking.....but here. *g*


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Vaal says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:58:17 2000 213.1.17.87)
MedusA - {{waves}} hi


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Johnny Canuck says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:56:13 2000 198.103.249.251)
spoilerteria
9
8
7
6
5
4
2
1
QUESTION: OK - I like Anya and her amusing comments ("its ritual sacrifice . . . with pie") - but I often have a difficult time making them out. Last night she made some comment about Giles being a "headmaster" but unfortunately that was the only word I caught. Can anyone tell me what the rest of the joke was?

COMMENTS: Good ep last night - I'm finally starting to like Riley - I love the fact that Buffy kicked his a. . . I mean chest. However, I do not, repeat NOT like Prof. Walsh - I find her to be a 2 dimensional character and an annoying one at that. I want Giles to intellectually annihilate her somehow - she deserves it, the arrogant bad person!

All for now
9
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spoilericiousness


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Suzanne says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:55:26 2000 129.237.218.20)
The bold tag is getting quite a workout today...

Masquerade It's nice to meet you too. Yes, I'm the same Suzanne--and please do feel free to "steal" my posts if there's something there that you like. I like reading your insights too.

Circe, Leather Jacket, Little Bam Bam Well we can certainly give the credits issue continued thought. At the very least, perhaps we can initiate a letter writing campaign....


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Labrynth says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:54:31 2000 209.94.12.194)
Lovely Poet.. heheh I was having probs with the board as well. DId finally get it to laod, and you'r eright, he's now tryign to backpedal saying this ONLY had to do with "adult" fan fic, but that doesn't excuse the names he pretty much called all fan fic writers. Ugh, I can't STAND that guy.

Labrynth


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MedusA says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:54:30 2000 194.168.240.29)
MedusA enters the Bronze.....slightly worse for drink and singing "Rainy Night in Soho".........collapses in a corner seat and hopes nobody noticed


SO’s to Angelus (possessor of the cutest vamp teeth), British Angel (my daughter-let), Cobby (Buffy lyricist extrordinaire), Countess, DingoBaby (keeper of the Pikachu), Emily, Everdawn, Hollyn, Iron Lemon, Jennie (I’m not Xander!), Jipsy Girl (Queen of the Checkout !), KANE (hello neighbour!), Kendra, Kenickie (boy from the land of missing socks), LadyJack, LeatherJacket, Lillith (my soul-sis), Motorcycle au pair Boy (my Jammie Dodger, Wonderwall and igloo *eg*), Prophecy Girl (who has exceptional taste - Robbie rocks!), Rachie (Essex girl!!!!), redruM (Dru’s guardian angel), Sanguineus (the most gorgeous, and generous, woodsman I know), Shadowbound6, Shaun (my computer guru and scary naked guy!), Shiraz-Petra (Queen of Whitby fun), Teardrop, TFB, thySlayer, Tmorel aka Ticklebunny (my Buffyday Buddy), Vaal (Dru’s puppy and my ‘ickle bro’), Wild Weasel (Techno-wibble), Wolvie (last but not least, my little nephew, aren’t you *sweetie?*)………and anyone I know but have temporarily forgotten (too many Bacardi Breezers!!!!!)

VIP SO’s to Jane Espenson (who turns our dreams into Buffy reality), Jeff Pruitt (who willingly gave me a gigantic MENTION on the board), Erika Amato (who fronts the amazing Velvet Chain)….(they’re the only three I’ve spoken to so far *sob*)

Cordelia: Frankie Tripod? Oh, I get it. Some kind of three-legged monster, right?
Doyle: No, he's human.
Cordelia: Then what's his name supposed to... oh.

Marcus: His skin.
Spike: Annoying isn't it? Still attached.
Marcus: Over 200 years of living and so little external damage. What about internal?
Spike: Do you two need to be alone? Or can we get on with the ouchie part?

Angel: Are you going to torture me, or just bore me to death?

Doyle: Where's Angel?
Spike: Um, tall, brooding guy? Caveman brow? He's having the living hell tortured out of
him.


……….especially for MapB……"It’s a big roof-rack. Can’t wait to tell my friends…they haven’t got a roof-rack this big!" *eg*


MedusA
President and founder member of A.N.A.L. (formerly A.I.N.A.L., H.A.H.)
CTD #26
SFG #76
MBE #5
HSLA #28
BWCGG #126
BBBGH #90
EE #11
OWMP #36

"When you feel all alone and the world has turned it’s back on you
Give me a moment please to tame your wild, wild heart
I know you feel like the walls are closing in on you
It’s hard to find relief and people can be so cold
When darkness is upon your door
and you feel like you can’t take anymore
Let me be the one you call. If you jump I’ll break your fall
Lift you up and fly away with you into the night
If you need to fall apart. I can mend a broken heart
If you need to crash , then crash and burn
You’re not alone"


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Lady of Buffdom says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:53:43 2000 205.188.198.38)
Hi all!!! Just wanted to repost some wild speculation from last night. Totally unlikely, but that's why it's fun!!

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!
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Oh, and even less likely, but more fun: Maybe Dru was coming back for Spike and they caught her, and that's who's in room 314.

And one kind of very silly speculation. Riley said that Ethan would be taken to a secret place in the Nevada desert. Maybe Area 51? In that case, Roswell crossover? ;-)
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Kansas says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:53:17 2000 159.10.4.47)
CB - Did I make a Wonka reference without knowing it?

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Isolde says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:52:26 2000 199.105.252.66)
Leather Jacket Thanks for the hugs and the explanationa. I will be sure to ask lunec for more thoughts.

lunec Oh, there you are. Could you please? Should I be afraid of this indoctrination?

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Tourogal The numbers Faith mentioned was the first thing I thought of when they mentioned 314. I immediately tried to find some sort of mathematical significance. I came up with nothing.

MeeBI like your idea of Buffy trying to surpress her feelings for Angel and inevitably not healing. I personally think she has been too quick to sleep with potential boyfriends, and this idea would make me feel a lot better. It would be interesting to see her let it all out in a future episode, sort of like she did with Giles in (I'm bad with titles) the episode she shares her hurt at having to kill Angel in s3.


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greengirl says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:51:34 2000 209.176.105.58)
SPOILERS for Buffy

DSP-ok, so maybe i should've prefaced everything with, not that there's anything wrong with that...but i do believe that experimentation is kinda lame. if you feel feelings for someone of the same sex, then feel free to act on them, but i think there is far too much oooo i'm gonna experiment cause i'm in college and it's hip to be a lesbian right now. I think it's shallow, and i think it's an insult to people who truely feel they are gay. Willow has always exhibited sexual feelings for men, i mean, she loves buffy, but she has never indicated that she loves buffy. i will agree that the lines were sorta leading last night, but i don't think they implied anything to their relationship. as for ruining the character, yes, i think if willow "experiments" it would ruin the character for me, because it would be writing some "trendy" lesbian storyline where there were no lesbian tendancies before. it's as bad as ally mcbeal, no matter how they write it. i can put a lot of faith in Joss, but this would be wrong in my opinion.

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Kendra says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:51:17 2000 192.139.245.254)
adam300 I know how you feel. Before you contact the WB maybe you should call your local provider first. It may be a problem on there end and not on the WB's end. If that dosen't work then call the WB. Chances are its a minor problem and will pass. Does this channel do that dureing other programs as well or just Buffy? Or is it that you don't pay much attention unless its Buffy. Make sure you have all the info you can get. In the long run it will save time and energy. Besides thats why we have remotes. Feel lucky you have one eles you would actually have to get up to turn it down on commercials.. I too am VERY addicted to Buffy...It just doesn't stop.. I hope this has helped you some more.


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Lovely Poet says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:50:40 2000 131.183.101.24)
Labrynth
Well his last few statements have been some of the most hypocritical back-pedaling I've ever seen. The audacity to dismiss our work because it is based on established characters. I couldn't get my messages to post, but I would have loved to remind him that West Side Story which won 10 Oscars would count as trash to him because it is just an update of Romeo and Juliet not an original story with original characters.

But hey, what do I know... I"m just an english major who writes fan fic. ;-)


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Rachie says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:50:37 2000 195.44.0.224)
NarrAtor: My eyes! My eyes!
Oh, and am I eligible to apply for next week's spot?
Oh, and also: DEAD! :)

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MeeB says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:49:24 2000 171.218.45.139)
Cate, tourogal, Narrator: Blue!!!!

Narrator, Suzanne, Psyche, lunec, Tourogal, Leather Jacket, Closet Buffyholic: New West Wing tonight! Yay! Whee! Whoo hooo!

Narrator: I'm not paying attention to all of GH. I keep catching the Juan/Emily parts Gaak. I think I missed some good Roy/Bobbie stuff, though. Grrr.

Closet Buffyholic: I'd prefer a sledgehammer for my computer which froze right after I posted. Grrr.


ANOTHER NEW MAN SPOILER THOUGHT




I this forgot in my earlier post, which I'm aware repeated what a lot of people have said but I'd typed it and wasn't going to redo it. :-)

I'm certain Walsh knew exactly who/what Giles was when she layed into him -- I doubt Buffy gave him up when she told her exploits. But in thinking that Walsh knows exactly what the Slayer is, it's logical she would know what the Watcher is and that just makes her evil evil evilness that much more evil. She did it on purpose to get a dig in at him and perhaps undermine the one person who could prove to be a formidable obstacle if/when she tries to bring Buffy into the Initiative fold. Assuming that Walsh is underestimating Buffy's resolve and determination to work on her own. Which I think they'll find out about very soon. This is gonna be fun.

I want more!


SPOILERS FOR A NEW MAN



MeeB


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Mysty Mage says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:48:38 2000 152.175.221.2)
My Thoughts on "A New Man"
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DSP says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:47:37 2000 204.143.232.230)
Argh! Kill that tag! Smash its petals!

This is what happens when you try to do too many things at once I guess...

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adam300 says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:46:51 2000 208.24.179.211)
Kendra: it eases my mind, but it doesnt ease my remote control's volume buttons. Guess I gotta call my local WB and give em hell, er, heck. This is not good, i've been here all day, this is affecting my job.....but I cant stop now.....I....think.....i'm...........adicted....to............BUFFY!


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DSP says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:46:36 2000 204.143.232.230)
I still don't have this being at work and posting at the same time thing down pat, so forgive me if I seem like I am ignoring you.

SPOILERS BELOW RE: IS TARA EVIL?

Just wanted to post what Jane Espenson said about why the rose went psycho. Keep in mind that she came on after leaving just to post this (she must have been eavesdropping on everyone's speculation that Tara=evil and made the rose go zing)

Jane Espenson (Writer) says:
(Tue Jan 25 22:04:54 2000 205.188.200.22)

Not really here. But it was Ethan. Ethan made her rose go zing!

Of course the writers are notorious for outright lying to us, but it's something to consider. She had posted previously that it was Ethan's dark majicks that Willow sensed and came back to post it again. So either she is really working hard to throw us off, or it's true.


SPOILERS ABOVE RE: IS TARA EVIL?

TC and Little Bam Bam Thanks. As an English major I adore the allegory aspect of Buffy too.

devil I am hanging my head in utter shame.

Masque Mircalla was asking about you recently when she popped in for a brief visit. I actually have been to SF before and liked it, so your point is well taken. The one good thing about the trip was going to the Osento Women's Bathhouse. It's lovely and you should take yourself there. What a treat.

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Circe says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:46:20 2000 208.223.117.45)
POSSIBLE TOPIC & THEREFORE SPOILERISH




One question about A New Man. WHY do you think Ethan turned Giles into a demon? Just to cause trouble? Or did he have a larger plan?




POSSIBLE TOPIC & THEREFORE SPOILERISH



Circe



MeeB: you have e.

Cate: I'm sure you're right that adding an academy category for stunts is prolly one big political football. I mean, if they wouldn't listen to the union people….OTOH, if the media gets involved for whatever reason (slow news night) -- stranger things have happened. They just had a thing on our local news last night about a police investigation that got dropped cuz of improper paperwork. The woman who was effected had no clout whatsoever, but she circulated flyers, the media picked up on it, & it made the news. My guess is that now something WILL be done about it, cuz the police are embarrassed. So you never know what will happen when you call attention to something instead of just taking the line TPTB hand you. Cuz I'm sure the police told that woman nothing could be done & she just decided not to accept that. Another example is that campaign Kristen started to place the Stand Up for Buffy ad, which sure did have an effect--forced a response from the WB.

Leather Jacket & Suzanne: I'll see what I can find out about the credit sitch & get back to you. Pretty sure once one net tried it & got away with it, the rest checked with legal & were told no legal reason they couldn't do it. And they'll keep doing it until someone stops 'em legally. Or enough people complain (that last one I'm not so sure about--see my former comment about folks walking out on movie credits--I don't think most people care).

loki: I love Tom Hanks. Did you see him on the Bravo Actor's Studio thing?

Unearthly: Yep, ewww is my sister's reaction to B/R smoochies, too.

Closet Buffyholic: Nancy-boy hair gel?? Spit-take! See, even broody, you still got it! And hey, if David B ever leaves, you could be Angel! Course, you'd have to have a sex change & get a tatoo, but still…

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Narrator says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:45:44 2000 204.17.210.11)
Narrator tosses a Rubber Duckie into the Fount of Employment for Closet Buffyholic


Back by popular lack of demand:

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If you fail to comply with these requests you will be beaten to death with a shovel. "A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend."

Also, failure to post warnings means that Rachie, Scapegoat of the Millennium, and Kenickie, Scapegoat of the Week of January 23rd, will bewhomped but good. So,please use SPOILER WARNINGS.

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clover says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:45:29 2000 129.15.167.160)
CB: Knit covered ears...I can picture it now...*g* *sigh* Let the ears ears! ears! countdown begin. Hee.

Labrynth: I saw your post. I read it right before I came here. He's a little upset now, isn't he? *g* I just knew once I read his post yours would be underneath it. And I was right. *g* Busy tonight? Thinking of calling you after Roswell.


It shouldn't be snowing here. We get tornados here, not snow. *g*


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Masquerade says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:44:23 2000 128.218.111.104)
Spoilery??


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Little bam bam: Maggie's not evil... yet, that we know of. Definitely not the demons' friend, but then neither is our Buffster. OK, you're member #2 in the "Maggie needs to get laid" club! LOL! (No special activities, except to announce your club membership under your name every once in a while.)

Suzanne: nice to meet you. I'm wondering if you are the same Suzanne whose posts I have been stealing without permission to put on my site. If so, I enjoy many of your insights. As for Buffy and Giles, it was that father/daughter closeness that made Maggie's observation in her office so misinformed and outright wrong and hurtful to poor Giles.

Rags: you can be #3 in the Maggie needs to get laid club. No special activities, except to announce your club membership under your name every once in a while. Olivia might be a red herring romance, although I'm conflicted if that's so, I like both women as characters and as potential Giles romances.

devil: rainbows are a common symbol, though, especially for a "colorful" dresser like Willow. But subtext! Subtext!

Kansas: Giles thought since Maggie was "smart" as Buffy claimed, and an academic, she'd get his little reference to the labrynth. But he hit that wall in academia known as the humanities/science wall. Most psychology professors want to be on the science side of the wall and look down on the "soft" humanities. It's a long story having to do with the history of experimental psychology vs. clinical psychology.


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(Wed Jan 26 12:43:10 2000 195.92.67.39)
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Mysty Mage says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:41:54 2000 152.175.221.2)
Good snowy-afternoon to y'all!


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chris says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:41:40 2000 24.114.189.111)
Buffy Rocks The World!!!
try www.spincities.com


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Mister Politically Incorrect....TOTALLY says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:41:22 2000 212.83.132.190)
Hi everybody on the PB !

Another "hard" question...
Cruel Intentions ( sex intention in French)was a bad movie
American Pie was funny but it was ALL
Why do SMG and Aly play in bad movies ?
Maybe, they don't know reading a scenario.LOL.What a shade !!
A beautiful girl is not enough for a GOOD movie.
Some French critics said that it's the end of the Cinema
Cinema is an ART, not just a commercial business.

Sorry,but too much is too much
MPI (for fans LOL)

OOOOOOOOOffffffffsssssssspppppppprrrriiiiiinnnnngggggg!!

And a girl says: I'm pretty fly for a white guy

For Americans who want to become CLEVER like French people:

French quotation: "Je pense, je suis"
translation: " I think and I am" (René Descartes, 6ème Meditation)
"Plus le visage est serieux, plus le sourire est beau"
ttranslation: "more the face is serious, more the smile is beautiful" (Chateaubriand)


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devil says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:40:14 2000 141.161.189.39)
Sachiel: Ah, yes, but after last night's eps I have a new theory SPOILERISH AHEAD Angel/Wesley in 2000!SPOILERISH

MeeB: LOL at your naming your pet theory George! And I will love him and squeeze him and pat him on the head and name him George *g*

devil

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Kendra says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:39:27 2000 192.139.245.254)
TexasTrabek you don't count spelling do you I think ihe tiles one word not too but its still the same right?? I loved that movie.

Leather Jacket you may be right. Maybe thats why its confusing to me. I still remember what was said in the movie about slayers being chosen. But I thought they we valid question. Thanks.

adam300 That may just me the station you watch it on. If the signals interupted somehow it affects things like sound. Last week I say it twice in the same night since I have two WB at different time zones. KTLA was fine but WBIX was alittle off. Chances are its the station specially if the comursials (sp?) are affected too. Hope this helped.


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(Wed Jan 26 12:39:12 2000 207.8.1.21)
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Rachie says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:39:05 2000 195.44.0.224)
Good evening.

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Moriah says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:38:11 2000 171.208.4.200)
Texas Trabek: Actually, now that I think about it, I think Cate was right....

Spoilers for A New Man
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For all of those who may be worried about Spike, I just wanted to let you know that he is ok. He just got the wind knocked out of him, but he recovered quickly...before any of those comandoes could get him. Because Spike was to fast for them, with his vampire speed and all. In fact, he met up with Giles, collected his $300, found a nice little crypt, bought a rather long yet invisible extension cord and one of those mini dorm fridges to keep his blood fresh. Yup, he is doing a-ok. Nothing wrong with Spike....he is as good as one of the undead could be...
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tourogal says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:37:15 2000 207.10.92.75)
closet watson - you also got a lemon Compaq? I thought I was the only one. I got an larger hard drive and new motherboard exactly 91 days after I bought it. It is now the kids' 'puter. Jeez, I hate compaq...no offense wookie.

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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:35:57 2000 208.202.64.99)
D'oh! I missed clover.

Howdy clover! Ears! Ears covered by knit caps!

CB


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StGermain says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:35:26 2000 208.129.249.2)
TexasTrebak - What is Hoosiers?

StG


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Labrynth says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:35:17 2000 209.94.12.194)
clover.. roomie! Mouth:) Heh, Mr. M is at it agian,t his time with a completely 9offending post to ALL fan fic writers. SO I asked him if that shold include PUBLISHED fan fic writers. I dislike this guy. I also called him an ass.

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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:35:00 2000 208.202.64.99)
I miss gay Larry! *sniff*

Leather Jacket *smooch*

TexasTrebek Well, when you get to Compaq ask 'em where the heckmouth is my pooter! They're supposed to be replacing the motherboard. Or actually, they're supposed to be replacing the entire pooter cuz it'll cost more to replace the motherboard than the unit is worth. I love lemon clauses.

TexasTrebek2 What is "Heaven's Gate?" Oh wait, wrong bomb.

CB


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elusio says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:34:50 2000 195.202.193.113)
ok. now gone. really. I promise. well, for a while anyway
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adam300 says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:33:02 2000 208.24.179.211)
Kinda off track, but has anyone else noticed sound problems during the last several epps? My picture is clear, but the sound gets real funky sometimes, and then the commercials are way too loud.


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Leather Jacket says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:31:43 2000 192.91.146.35)
Helpful hints Questions & answers
Friend or Foe's Newbie page OzFan's Newbie page
Welcome Wagon Spoiler Warning Examples

StGermain : I don't think we'll see Gay Larry at UC Sunnydale, unless they have facilities for the squishy. (That's a reference to his demise at the hands of the mayor, people! Sheesh!)
And there is no way to think about Joyce's needs being met without a visit to the gutter.

Leather Jacket leads Closet Buffyholic into the Fount of Employment ... which she's already in ... and sets a towel and an after-bath sample kit by the ladder for when she comes out.

mayven : As I understand it, "Ripper" is one of those British sound-alike variants their so found of. It sounds like "Rupert" but has that bad-boy image going for it. It's a reference to Giles' bad-boy rebellious teenage years as well as his collegiate after-class off-campus activity of summoning demons.
With the cloned-slayer concept, since Slaying is (probably) not genetic, it would (probably) not help the cause.

TaraAnyaKate4eva : I'm not trying to tell you what you can and can't post about. Just expressing my opinion of why people might not be answering.
I'm not familiar with the title "Suspension", but there's a list of all Buffy episodes available in the Mortuary at www.buffy.com. Maybe you'll see something you recognize.

Safarigirl : I redirect all questions about my personal life through my publicist... unless they're from Marc Blucas' stunt double and he's asking me if I'm busy on Thursday. *g*

Kendra : I don't know how the powers that be choose Slayers or how the Watchers Council identifies them. I think you're applying things from the movie (the mole, for one) that may not carry over.

carl, elusio : Sleigh bells ring / are you listening
In the lane / snow is glistening
A beautiful sight / we're happy tonight / walking in a winter wonderland.
:-P

anne-sophie : Have you tried your local mall? Have you tried Power Star?

TexasTrabek : What is Drek?

If you've lost the WB programming because you watched it on WGN on cable, please call 888-474-9292 to find where it might be playing in your area. (Thanks, willa)

Slay On Buffy
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Suzanne says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:31:23 2000 129.237.218.20)
Masquerade, Unearthly I don't think Buffy has lost any respect for Giles. But, I do think she may take him for granted a little bit, because she's so familiar with him. Maggie is new and easily accessible on-campus, whereas visiting Giles requires a special trip. It's not as easy as walking down the hallway to the library anymore. Without the multiple conversations that they have everyday, I can see where some things might slip through the cracks (as far as imparting information.) The one thing that Giles will always have from Buffy (aside from respect) is genuine love. As a child for a father. I hope that was sufficiently vague to be unspoilerish.

Tracy I don't have a problem with it at all. Her experience with Parker was a mistake--but one that I can understand. She and Riley may have only been on a couple of dates, but they have known each other since September. They've fought in battles together. They respect each other. They've learned secrets about each other. I don't think either of them envision this relationship as being of a one night stand variety.

TouroGal, StGermain Sometimes you just know it's love and there's no point in drawing things out. Of course I wouldn't know that personally, but I've heard from reliable sources that it's true and I believe it. :)


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Moriah says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:31:15 2000 205.188.198.58)
exas Trebek: What was Water World.


Moriah
I like Spike


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Corvus says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:31:12 2000 206.98.125.107)
TexasTrabek
What is the Post Man? Which I never saw.


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clover says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:31:09 2000 129.15.167.160)
Texas Trabek: What is Waterworld?


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elusio says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:30:55 2000 195.202.193.114)
TexasTrabek
What is Waterworld?


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Kendra says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:30:53 2000 192.139.245.254)
TexasTrabek Whats Water world


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Ama says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:30:50 2000 198.212.135.61)
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Corvus says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:30:05 2000 206.98.125.107)
Okay we have Lunchies!!!!

Gotta Spoil!!

SPOILISH CONTEMPLATION AND IT'S ALL Joss' FAULT.
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TexasTrabek says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:26:49 2000 207.82.111.152)
TexasTrabek walks into the bronze...blindfolded. You can hear him mumbling something about "frickem frackem VCR's" "d@mn recording Who wants to be amillionarre" and "and stupid english class i knew i shouldn't a gone" Mostly he's doin this cause he's avoiding spoilers since he hasn't seen last night's buffy.

Halllllllllllloo everybody

Today's Jeopardy is brought to you by Compaq. Cause I have interview with them.

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Dennis Hopper played the chain-smoking villain of this $172 million Kevin Costner futuristic tale.


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Little Bam Bam says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:26:42 2000 166.84.144.10)
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Hi. Can I join that Maggie club? Okay, posting three months, now starting to fixate on characters, must keep telling myself that sex is bad...ears are bad...Mouths are bad...Maggie is evil...

Kansas: Giles was turning on the tweedy, donnish charm, wasn't he? & then Maggie hit him where he lives. No wonder he chased her.
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Circe, Suzanne, LJ: Me too, but I don't know exactly what one could do abt. the credits....


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Ama says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:26:39 2000 198.212.135.61)
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I'm wondering if it's possible that perhaps Walsh has been "experimenting" with Buffy in some way.

What I mean is that This year's Buffy has totally de-evolved into a more immature person than she was in highschool.

This same person who faced death many times, killing her lover and sending him to hell, living on her own in LA, etc. has been totally overwhelmed by community college in her own town this year. She's fallen for Parker's lines, been extremely self-centered, and now she tells all to a government agency person (Walsh) she knows nothing about.

I know some people say that Angel's leaving and Buffy feeling lonely, has driven her to Parker, Riley etc. but, I just can't see that. Season 1 Buffy dealt with dying by the Master, Season 2-Angelus than sending Angel to hell, yet she seems more adrift this year.

BTW, just like I don't think Cordy was a virgin last night, I think that Buffy also has had more sexual relationships than Angel and Parker. My rationale is that not everything can be spelled out (just like Cordy). If Buffy did sleep with Scott for instance and it really had no bearing on the plot why mention it? In fact considering that she went out with Scott a lot longer than Parker, and actually thought she'd lost Angel for good-it seems likely that she did sleep with Scott, and perhaps other guys over the summer (not that it really matters-but that's my point). When Scott broke up with Buffy-Angel was back by this time. That made a huge difference in her reactins.

If Angel had have shown up the day after the Parker thing, I don't think Buffy would have spared one thought for Parker.

I also don't know why Buffy can't just relax and enjoy her own company for a while. I know the "short life-have to hurry aspect" but, people can be happy on their own. It's almost like Buffy doesn't feel she's coplete without a boyfriend. Even after sending Angel to hell, that next fall she hooked up with Scott.

Anyway now that I've rambled my point is maybe Walsh is doing something to Buffy and maybe the entire Scooby gang (especially Buffy since she's the Slayer, which I'm sure Walsh knew fronm the beginning. Chemicals or something of that nature.
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Narrator says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:26:35 2000 204.17.210.11)
Is Texas Trebek even coming back? The question is -- What is the yellow crayon?


Obligatory Cate mention


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cabin7dad says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:26:33 2000 198.3.210.210)
WallEyed Beatle recommendations? You asked for it. Personally this is my list of best ones to buy:

1) Abbey Road - best album ever made - by anybody - best side 2/concept side in the history of music
2 or 3) Revolver - Paul's album (as they say in Beatle history)
2 or 3) Rubber Soul - John's album (as they say in Beatle history)
4) The White Album - This is an exceptional album with an undeserved bad rap. Listen to it one song at a time (not as a complete album) - it shows the excellent versatility of the band.
5) Sgt. Pepper - Certainly to most innovative album ever - but overshadowed by even better work in later years by the Beatles

After that, the rest can be in any order
6) Hard Day's Night - there first all McCartney/Lennon album - no cover tunes.
7-?) All the rest


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Rags says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:26:17 2000 198.188.16.28)
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I certainly agree with you that the sparring and confrontations are often typical of pre-courtship behavior (at least in Hollywood comedies). And a Giles/Maggie affair could easily rival Xander/Anya for comic potential. Do think that Giles is feeling uncomfortable in his current unemployed state and perhaps a bit inadequate. But what about Olivia?
LOL at your Club suggestion. If you have the nerve to start it, can I join? *g*
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lunec says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:25:52 2000 206.102.93.34)
Narrator Switzerland. Neutrality. You. Was that more helpful? *g*

Isolde Need me to indoctrinate you?

Leather Jacket I appreciate your efforts to elucidate my raving madness pet theory. There are just a few gaping holes points to clarify, and soon you too will be able to terrify those around you spread the word...


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Cate says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:25:51 2000 38.233.208.69)
MeeB, Peanut - No, ladies. I checked. It is indeed red.

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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:25:49 2000 208.202.64.99)
Eiddileg I am glad I said something that made you 'cited, but I have no idea what it was. Gouda? Mr. Wonka? Oompa Loompas? Lackeys? Freud? You know, I think we're going to have to start using Jungian Post-Its, so that Freud doesn't get a big head.

Kansas Well, I knew what you meant.

MeeB You want some water?

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not Sachiel cause she's working says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:25:34 2000 129.219.246.243)
devil~ DOH! I knew I forgot to finish something in my post. I was talking about the R/A thing. It would be a nice crossover thing. Riley finds out about Angel. He goes to LA. They meet. They fight. But then realize that they're attracted to each other. And so on. I did too much thinking about this.

Gone now.


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lazy.dreamer says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:25:26 2000 62.252.6.155)
signing off byexxxxxxxxx


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bbbgh says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:25:23 2000 192.139.245.254)
Skipey = Spikey.. as small example of how my day is going..will it ever end..


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tourogal says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:24:55 2000 207.10.92.75)
MeeB, cate, wookie - I shall have to disagree with both ladies. In fact, the correct question is What is the purple crayon?

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BBBGH says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:24:30 2000 192.139.245.254)
Thats supposed to say 100+ grrr forgot to change it..

Oh and Skipey You e that you gave doesn't work could you send us another please. Thanks.


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elusio says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:23:50 2000 195.202.193.114)
ok. whatever happened to leaving??? *g*.

carl where am I? at home ;-) no, I'm in Switzerland... not in any mountain areas, but it's still too cold. And on another topic, I'm gonna beat you at the 8:00 first one of these days, I swear!


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BBBGH says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:23:07 2000 192.139.245.254)
The Bronze Bezoar Big Game Hunters Club


We now have 80+ members!

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MeeB says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:22:00 2000 152.169.197.225)
Oops! Dingoed! Beware my post for SPOILERS!!! The rest....

SPOILER FOR A NEW MAN




And what's neat, too, is that annoying, evil, obnoxious *Ethan* of all people
is the one who's probably most right about The Initiative -- they're playing
with fire and doing things that could upset the balance of things terribly.
The big question is -- do they know that? do *some* of them know that? or are
they really clueless wonders.




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lazy.dreamer says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:21:29 2000 62.252.6.155)
elusio:sorry i'll try

tracy:i agree withu , buffy has become obsessed by sex and so has angel, may be shes just trying to get over him in some odd way


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MeeB says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:20:08 2000 152.169.197.225)
Narrator: Well, first I was digging my freakin' car out of the freakin' snow. Then I was thawing out. Then I was lurking and not finding anything to say. Now I'm suffering through General Hospital.

TexasTrabek: Uh, I'm going to have to disagree with my esteemed colleague, Cate. The question is clearly "What is blue paint."

SPOILERS FOR A NEW MAN





Some of this I said last night. I liked it. I really really really liked it.


I didn't get the shoving-in-my face vibe from Riley ( yay! ) but I did have
another issue. And Jane Espenson pretty much gave me an answer I kind of like
last night. And my issues that Buffy never mentions Angel. Never. Even in her
fights with Riley last week she glossed over the Angel issue. It bothered me
a little. But Jane pointed out that sometimes when we're trying to get over a
relationship and it's too painful, we try to shut it all completely out of
our minds and our worlds. I did that. And Buffy's doing that. It makes sense
for me as a fan to sit there and mumble to myself "She never had to hold back
with Angel." And Buffy may be thinking that to herself even (but I'd bet
she's trying hard not to), but she's not going to actually say that to anyone
because she doesn't want to vocalize her Angel thoughts and make them any
more real or painful than they are. It's interesting. I wonder how healthy it
is. The more you ignore something rather than deal with it, the more it's not
going to go away and the more painful it's going to be if they ever meet up
again. Hmmm.

And I took a small amount of pleasure in Buffy's kicking Riley across the
room. *snerk*

DSP: Thank you for your post on the episode. You dispelled some lingering concerns I had over Buffy not remembering to tell Giles. :-)

Loved that Xander is teaching Anya how to be human in their time we don't see
them. Love that it's not working very well.

Spike. All black. Yum! He's going to be so much fun to have around this way
--- but the gang is going to be dirt poor by the end of the season if they
keep having to bribe him to help.

Willow -- why did she lie to Buffy about Tara? I'm confused. And worried.

The Initiative stuff.
I got a really bad vibe off the Buffy meets Walsh scene. It was like Riley
was bringing home the prize heifer he found at the fair to show to mom. It
was weird. Not to mention, I think it was a big mistake for Buffy to be so
open with Walsh. Although....I don't believe that Walsh didn't know about the
Slayer. This is my current pet theory (I call it George). Riley and the boys
-- sure, they were told and believed she was a myth (and they were mythtaken
-- snerk!) I'd be willing to believe that Walsh knows what the Slayer is and
maybe knew Buffy was her all along and was pumping Buffy for info. It's also
darned possible that the reason Walsh thinks dangerous Buffy being free and
uninhibited is because (1) she knows what it cost Faith and (2) she knows
what it could cost the Initiative. And the reason she knows what it cost
Faith is because Faith is behind Door 314. And she may be studying Slayer
strength. That's my pet theory anyway.

And I'm totally totally wigged by the pervasiveness of the Initiative. Riley
said "U.S. Military" and Walsh said "Working on getting you clearance" -- so
there's someone bigger in charge. But does that mean it really *is* the
military? I still think Walsh is evil (I *sooo* want her to be evil). But I
wonder if she's as in the dark as I'm sure Riley is.

But the fact that the Initiative has a master key to all the stores and can
intercept 911 calls and find people *so* fast creeps me out BIG time. Way too
Big Brothery for me. And it makes me wonder if there will be a point when one
or more of the Scooby Gang will be considered "rogue" by the Initiative and
will have to try to evade all the technological wonders. Meep!

Enough of that.

Tony was wonderful. Loved that Buffy recognized his eyes. It mostly made up
for the whole thing right there. LOVED that he gave in a little and chased
Walsh. :-) That Spike could speak .... whatever it was Giles was speaking was
priceless. And his running commentary was hilarious!

Ethan was wonderful! (Oh bugger, I thought you'd gone!) And I have to wonder
if he's really gone to some secret Nevada establishment or not. Hmmm..... I
wonder if he'll resurface later when Buffy starts discovering what I'm sure
is a darker side to the Initiative.

And what's neat, too, is that annoyi

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devil says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:19:52 2000 141.161.189.39)
SarahNicole: Well, I am a lawgeeker, so I could join the defense team *g*


Slightly Spoilish Below



DSP (and Masq too, you might like this): The morning after the rose spell, the day they were hunting the 'demon,' Willow was wearing this pale purple sweater with a rainbow (and some clouds i think) on it. it got quite a lot of footage. DSP I can't believe you didn't notice it!



Slightly Spoilerish Above


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elusio says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:19:07 2000 195.202.193.114)
lazy.dreamer I'm guessing you're still talking to me... e me, it's easier... addy above.


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Snowflake says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:18:29 2000 207.8.1.21)
kim! Have a good lunch and do not worry about quick responses to e. I know there are other things going on.

SF


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chez says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:18:17 2000 62.60.9.54)
KAM: do u wanna chat 2 me bout the best show on earth,~grin~ or email me i like talking 2 wacky dudes who love buffy. ~smileys~


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carl says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:18:16 2000 209.240.200.46)
elusio , where are you? Thank you, Thank you. I'll be here till the end of the week. :)


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StGermain says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:18:09 2000 208.129.249.2)
MeeB - One small step for StG, one giant leap into the gutter for all innocent posters everywhere.

TouroGal - Do you think I ought to tell dml about my sister who was engaged three days after she met my b-i-l and married three weeks later? That was 21 years ago and they're still together.

StG


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lazy.dreamer says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:17:51 2000 62.252.6.155)
which school did u go to or r u at?


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Tracy says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:17:35 2000 152.13.162.174)
Dos anyone else have a problem with how easy Buffy seems to be giving it up on the show. I understand that she's young, naive in many ways and still recovering from the whole Angel thing but that still doesn't explain why the show is turning her into to some kind of easy girl. I just don't understand it, then they did the same thing on Angel with Cordelia. It just makes no sense to have them be such smart characters and then turn them into characters who are only interested in sex. I mean Buffy has only been dating Riley for like three epsiodes.


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Kansas says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:16:56 2000 159.10.4.47)
StG, CB - Arrgh. me = spaz. I did in fact reverse your names.

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Masquerade - It seemed to me that when Giles first entered Walsh's office, he expected to rely on his tweedy charm (including the remove-glasses-and-look-thoughtful move) and was nonplussed when it didn't work. And Walsh's veiled criticism of him as an inadequate father-figure didn't help. It'll be interesting to see how their relationship goes.

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(Wed Jan 26 12:16:12 2000 208.28.118.10)
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-- Marc Blucas, Checkout.com Chat, 12/21/99

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PROFESSIONAL DREAM CHASERS

Is this a shameless attempt to de-lurk Marc Blucas? Well, maybe just a smidge - we did borrow the title of the club from him - but this is more than just a fan club. Its primary purpose is to form a special community of go-getters and back-slappers. Here you can announce your latest achievement on the road to the big one, or get the hand-holding - or butt-kicking - you need when you hit a pothole and need a boost. Share your dreams, or share your failures; we will 'hurray' you or 'oh no' you as needed. Or just come by for that extra inspiration you can get from the success stories of others.

The web page is still a work in progress (and suggestions are greatly appreciated!), but the signup page is up and running. Join now and let us know that one big thing you're working towards, that one goal you'd do anything for, that star that you're determined to reach someday, that makes you a Professional Dream Chaser.

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Eiddileg says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:14:47 2000 167.127.142.2)
CB THE BFG! THE BFG!

I luvers the BFG


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elusio says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:14:43 2000 195.202.193.114)
ahem. I was gone. whoops.

lazy.dreamer that's me.


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lazy.dreamer says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:14:19 2000 62.252.6.155)
sorry that was from me not l


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chez says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:14:09 2000 194.176.200.86)
annie-sophie,
ihave some posters 4 u and I'll give u them 4 free! I've got tons of your choice.


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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:13:33 2000 209.100.92.79)
Hello again,

Buried in all types of bad things--not even sure who to YAY!

Everyone stay safe,
KAM
Ty King Fan


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Narrator says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:13:26 2000 204.17.210.11)
Closet Buffyholic – Good about the resumes. You can't get a job until you apply for it, goober. I am proud of you. You can, as your reward, watch EARS tonight.

Eiddileg - Cate!!

valMichael – Are you saying PhDs are rank?

MeeB – I've missed you! Where have you been? Oh, and WRONG!!

Texas Trebek – What is the English Patient (well, Cate is the shoutee of the day)


Obligatory Cate mention


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l says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:13:17 2000 62.252.6.155)
elusio:do u come from cambridge or is that someone else?


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kim! says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:12:50 2000 192.6.114.30)
Snowflake I did get the e. I was waiting for some reason that I can't rememeber at this point to respond. I'll do that after lunch, where I'm headed now.


k!


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Masquerade says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:12:43 2000 128.218.111.104)
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Unearthly: do you believe Buffy has lost respect for Giles? I was going to disagree with you, because she obviously respect Giles more than Maggie, but that doesn't discount the possibility that she has lost some of the respect for Giles she had before he became a slacker. It wasn't his fault he lost his watcher position in the Council, but his life since then has been under his control, and he seems to be floundering a great deal of the time.


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Safarigirl says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:12:24 2000 209.87.233.6)
mayven It's possible. That would be evil. Really evil. and Spoilerish there's no telling what the mental state of a cloned Slayer would be. Would she be like Faith? Like Buffy? Or even more unhinged? We've already seen that Slayers in general tend to be a little wild, and the wildness crops up at odd times. Given the fact that no one really knows whether clones would even have souls or not, let alone minds and personalities, the chances are good that should Walsh clone a Slayer, she'd wind up with a super-demon on her hands. End Spoilerish.


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$L@ye® says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:12:22 2000 195.92.67.38)
Hey!!! Who's heard the news about Nick Brendon possibly being Spiderman (I wonder if he will have 8 legs....*g*). I think that he would be great for the film.

What do you all think ?

$L@ye®
"You've got parental issues, you've got parental issues!!!"


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tourogal says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:12:21 2000 207.10.92.75)
because I hate when people talk out of their feet...

dml - I know plenty of people who got serious with their SO's "rather quickly". I know people who were married in 6 or 8 months after they met. What makes you think that it's moving too fast? According to whose schedule?

Yeah, sure it has to take 3 years to get serious with someone. Uh huh. It can't go faster then that. Ever.

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chez says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:11:39 2000 194.176.200.86)
i'm looking 4 posters and videos anyone like 2 help. Although i have got 72. I'm not bragging ~really sorry.


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Cate says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:11:28 2000 38.233.208.69)
TexasTrebek


What is red paint?


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elusio says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:10:14 2000 195.202.193.113)
that was actually kinda a drive-by before, so let's just say I did a U-turn, and came back and now I'm driving by again, and then going... and what was the point of all that?

lazy.dreamer I believe we spoke once before. I recognise your name anyway.

Monique if you scroll. I'll e you tomorrow with ideas that I've come up with, including new categories... hi, btw!


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chez says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:09:33 2000 194.176.200.86)
does anyone wanna chat abot he best show on earth ~grin~ or email me sometime at chezr@hotmail.com I'll b happy 2 writeback and chat! loz of hugs chezx


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Lab says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:09:14 2000 209.94.12.194)
Lovely Poet... *snort* SOme of th eModerators have had it with him too. For the love of Vhaerun if I never see him again it will be too soon.

Lab


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dml says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:08:50 2000 150.108.156.34)
SPOILERS AND OTHER OBSERVATIONS

It has become painfully obvious that Joss and Co. are doing everything possible to make Buffy fans forget about the Buffy/Angel relationship by pushing B/R. In the process, they have overlooked one very important thing, character development. The entire season, for me anyway, has been unbearably shallow and devoid of any real emotions, with the exception of Oz's departure. As a whole, the scooby gang displayed greater maturity and emotional range as high schoolers.

I agree that Buffy needed to move on and develop other romantic relationships. But B/R seems to be getting too serious too quickly. The romantic angst scenario has already been done. Wouldn't it be exciting to have Buffy in a fun relationship with someone who was not a superhero wannabe; someone quirky and different from the men she's normally attracted to.

I am also very disappointed with how Giles' character has been treated. ASH is such a wonderful actor, yet he has been given almost nothing to do. The same is true of Xander.

On the other hand, I am so impressed with Angel. Maybe its my age showing, but the more adult themes, especially loneliness and the need for friendship, is simply more appealing. The cast seems comfortable with each other and the characters are growing and developing right before our eyes.


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Snowflake says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:08:45 2000 207.8.1.21)
Erin

Hi there welcome to the Posting Board. If you are looking for tapes from buffy check out The BtVS SCooby Gang There you will find info on the tape tree. I hope you join

SF


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tourogal says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:08:43 2000 207.10.92.75)
SPOILERS

does anyone think that 314 have anything to do with that series of numbers faith tossed tossed out on Graduation Day? Or maybe that Maggie herself was involved in the Watcher's Council before being hired for the Big I?

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TexasTrabek says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:08:23 2000 207.82.111.152)
Jeopardy Next post


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anne-sophie says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:07:35 2000 205.188.192.48)
i'm searching for posters of buffy


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chez says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:07:28 2000 194.176.200.86)
x-lander: if your here, check your email because i sent u one. Prob don't know me but i did anyway!! ~smileys~


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Masquerade says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:06:51 2000 128.218.111.104)
Closet Buffyholic: Howdy back. It's OK to use "N**** Boy" in context like that, as a quote from the show. But I am going to petition Apollo to make "N**** Boy" a dirty word on the board like C-O-C-K.

detante: thanks for visiting. Go here to see me bitca and moan about the lack of female Ninjas in the Initiative. There were some female scientists in the background... I think

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Rags: more Maggie/Giles confrontation scenes will be COOL, especially when Giles is up to full strength in the sarcasm department. He was kind of letting Maggie have the upper hand because he didn't know she was anything other than Buffy's teacher at the time they met. I still contend he is envious of her position/power in the Initiative. I guess I'm looking for sexual attraction there because it is SO obvious Maggie needs to "get some" big time and SOON. That may sound sexist or crude, but you can only take her scientism so far. Her reaction to Riley's waxing poetic about Buffy was tiresome. Science=good, but romance/sex=good, too.

Hmmm. Thinking of starting the "Maggie needs to get laid" club.


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anne-sophie says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:06:43 2000 205.188.192.48)
i'm searching for posters of buffy


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The Mad Bomber Bombs at Midnight says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:06:22 2000 205.188.197.59)
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Like you said I don't believe that Willow is having Lesbian feelings towards Tara, but there is definately something going on there. Tara is most likely practicing black magic and that is why the rose angrily darted across the room last night. I just hope Willow figures it out before something really awful happens.
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jessie says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:06:02 2000 128.125.242.124)
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I think that Maggie realizes the potential of having a slayer on her side. But she doesn't quite trust Buffy. She doesn't know where her loyalties lie. So she has a backup if the Buffy thing fails, 314. Which I think is Faith. But I think that Faith is going change and perhaps die trying to help Buffy and co. Finally getting redemption.
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lazy.dreamer says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:06:01 2000 62.252.6.155)
elusio, have i met u before?


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Closet Buffyholic says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:05:36 2000 208.202.64.99)
Cate you should have a little thingie waiting for you when you get home. Hee! If I don't get ears on time, I can always watch TWW whilst waiting. I like both.

CharlieS You too.

Kansas When I read your post I thought "Strike that, reverse it." I think you meant your reply to me to go to StG, and your reply to her to go to me. Anything that makes me think of Willy Wonka lines is good, in my opinion. :)

CB
"And the schnozberries taste like schnozberries!"


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AKA BECKER says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:04:44 2000 152.206.82.107)
Drive By Posting!

Just a quick drive by with the Multi-Market (not national) ratings for Buffy and Angel.

Buffy: 5.5/8
Angel: 6.1/9

Competition:
Millionare (by the half hour): 18.4/28 22.7/31
Party of Five: 4.9/7

Gotta go!

--AKA--
gone-Board-devotee

"Gone."


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Unearthly says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:04:35 2000 161.114.71.61)
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Masquerade: I think you might be right about the jealousy angle. At least to me it is much more likely that jealousy is fueling his feeling toward Walsh. Think about it, Buffy is gushing about Walsh at her party and inadvertently hurting Giles feelings in the process. She has the admiration that used to belong to Giles, way back when.

Clattering I don't think Buffy is exactly blinded by her admiration for Walsh. I think that the fact that she is a respected professor, the head of the local Initiative, and Riley's trusted Boss, is causing Buffy to just accept her at face value for the moment. She has not really seen any reason to become suspicious of her to this point. I have no doubt that will change very soon. We know how Buffy and authority are un-mixy things*g*.

Unearthly


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clover says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:04:31 2000 129.15.167.254)
Hi Everyone.
It's snowing!

CB: Hi! It's snowing here! I can't believe it! We have tornadoes here in Okla., not snow! And of course, I had class. grr. Everything else is closed down for today. But nooooo. OU just had to stay open. grr. I'm home and I'm staying home. =) Ears tonight! Not going to miss my ears tonight now! *g*

Labrynth: Roomie! It's a crazy day over here. I think school's cancelled for tomorrow. We had class today. grr. Driving in the snow is such a pain. I'm home now and I'm staying home. Not going to class later today even if we have it. Which means: ears!


Scrolling...
Jane's Junkie's #44
ears! ears!


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lazy.dreamer says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:04:09 2000 62.252.6.155)
raaaaaaa, i miss angel in buffy it just doesn't seem right that they should be apart, i guess u only meet the love of your life once i know this is soppy but i gotta say it buffy with angel was good buffy without angel not so good and angel trying to be a people person is bad.
no boy is worth your tears but hte one who is won't make u cry.
tht doesn't work in this case


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MeeB says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:03:44 2000 152.169.197.225)
StGermian: Wow. that was some double entendre. -mere- would be proud that we've corrupted you....

Circe: I'm around. You've got e-.

Cate: What you said!

Closet Buffyholic: *smooch*

Narrator: WRONG.

I should say something about the episodes. But I'm too tired.


MeeB


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elusio says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:02:05 2000 195.202.193.113)
carl nice first and hear, hear! (or here, here???) about the weather... it's -10 degress Celsius here... and I'm sure all the goldfish in the pond have died. Oh, and my classmates still insist on opening windows in breaktime!!!! loonies!!!
ahem. sorry. rambled. nice first!


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TaraAnyaKate4eva says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:02:01 2000 24.128.190.214)
Everyone: I was wondering if any of you can help me. I was walking in a buffy comic store when I saw a script by Joss It was called Suspension or something like that. Do you have info on that or anything? Thanks


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Kendra says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:01:47 2000 192.139.245.254)
OK heres a question for you guys. It may sound stupit but I was thinking about it.

What are your thoughts on how Slayers are chosen. I mean like which girl will be born with the mark.
Also since watchers will likely not be able to see the slayers chest arria when they see them at first how do they know whitch little girl to train. I mean Kendra's family obviously knew something about slayers and knew what the mark ment but what about other girls like Buffy. You know the ones that have families that don't know about it.
Another thing is how do the watchers get theses girls. endra was given to them but I don't think all of them are simply handed over. How is it then that they get them from there parents and then keep them isolated.
Why do you think they do the isolation thing. Would it not make more sence to have the girls in the world they protect so that they will have greater reason to fight for it. Thats the impression I get from Buffy Kendra however seems to distent. She really doesn't seem to have any real reason to fight and protect these people.
and Finally how did the watchers council come to exist? Was it always like this? Do you think there is any hope for it.

I put way to much thought into this and now its driving me bonkers..


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detante says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:01:38 2000 38.27.144.130)
Masquerade, Suzanne, Leather Jacket: Thanks for the feed back and the welcome.

Masquerade: I took a quick glance at your website and bookmarked it. Looks great. Thanks for posting the link. Refresh my memory; have we seen any other female members of the Initiative? Just a curiosity.


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Cate says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:01:30 2000 38.233.208.69)
Closet Buffyholic - Thanks deary. I don't know what is wrong with me lately, I can't stop rambling! :) Ears tonight... hope you get to see 'em on time!

C


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tourogal says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:00:27 2000 207.10.92.75)
aw, why not?

p.


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carl says:
(Wed Jan 26 12:00:02 2000 209.240.200.46)
Stop the Winter weather



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