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Topic: Wolfram & Hart
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Anosmic Scooby Gang Member Posts: 37 Registered: May 2000
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posted 14-05-2000 11:32 PM
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Okay. I'm sorry if this is rehashing previously discussed stuff, but I've only recently starting reading these boards.Does anyone know, or have a take on if W&H is a dig at the legal-minded *!£@ at Fox?

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Ms Summers Bit Character Posts: 5 Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 15-05-2000 11:59 AM
Don't know about it being a dig at Fox but one thing that still remains unexplained is just who are the 'senior partners'?
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Keenangel Scooby Gang Member Posts: 1177 Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 15-05-2000 12:01 PM
D you reckon that it could be "The First Evil" mentioned in Season3 Buffy "Amends"?.
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Idiot Jed Scooby Gang Member Posts: 91 Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 16-05-2000 07:34 PM
I've been wondering that, its gotta be some big scary demon thing hasn't it!!!!
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Anosmic Scooby Gang Member Posts: 37 Registered: May 2000
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posted 16-05-2000 09:14 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Ms Summers: Don't know about it being a dig at Fox but one thing that still remains unexplained is just who are the 'senior partners'?
Well, just a guess here but could it be Messrs (or Mdmes) Wolfram and Hart? 

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Vox Scooby Gang Member Posts: 135 Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 16-05-2000 11:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by Anosmic: Well, just a guess here but could it be Messrs (or Mdmes) Wolfram and Hart? 
That's not very common. Unless W&H is under 30 years old (which they don't look to be judging from their size and client base) the founders will be retired or dead (or undead come to think of it... hmmm....) 
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Tess Scooby Gang Member Posts: 901 Registered: Dec 99
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posted 16-05-2000 11:41 PM
I think they are saving it all up for the season finale. At least I hope they are.
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Mr_Pointy Scooby Gang Member Posts: 32 Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 19-05-2000 08:31 PM
I'm not so sure about the 'all things being explained in the season finale' idea. I think Wolfram and Hart will be around for a long time, and alot of mystery will be kept about them. Need I remind everyone that the 'End of Days' thing the Mora demon mentioned in I will remember you hasn't happened yet either, which is confusing. He said the end of days had begun and that when one of his kind died, 10 more would take it's place. I get the idea Wolfram and Hart may have something to do with this as the demon was an assasin. I think alot of story lines will be carried over into the next season.
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Nox Scooby Gang Member Posts: 119 Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 19-05-2000 11:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mr_Pointy: I'm not so sure about the 'all things being explained in the season finale' idea.
A what about that whole the Scourge from Hero that was supposed to be an unstoppable force going around exterminating the half-breeds? And what with Faith banged up in gaol, I think Angel will start s2 with more ongoing plotlines that it will want to handle.

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Anosmic Scooby Gang Member Posts: 37 Registered: May 2000
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posted 21-05-2000 10:34 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Nox: A what about that whole the Scourge from Hero that was supposed to be an unstoppable force going around exterminating the half-breeds? And what with Faith banged up in gaol, I think Angel will start s2 with more ongoing plotlines that it will want to handle.
Yeah, I really like the Scourge, would like to see more of them. And with Doyle's death Angel has a score to settle. On a slightly-related point the Scourge are supposed to be 'pure' demons right? So how does that marry up with Anya's "You've never seen a pure demon" back in Graduation Day? Or even the Demon in Band Candy for example. Looked like a 'pure' demon to me whereas the Scourge don't. 
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John The Bloody Scooby Gang Member Posts: 53 Registered: May 2000
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posted 21-05-2000 10:52 PM
A pure demon could be anything. but got to agree the scourge dont look like pure demons plus they talk english.oh hi an0smic

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Nox Scooby Gang Member Posts: 119 Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 22-05-2000 12:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by Anosmic: On a slightly-related point the Scourge are supposed to be 'pure' demons right? So how does that marry up with Anya's "You've never seen a pure demon" back in Graduation Day? Or even the Demon in Band Candy for example. Looked like a 'pure' demon to me whereas the Scourge don't.
Quite simply I don't think they marry up. I think the writers were in a desperate scramble to throw together a half-decent storyline to kill off Doyle at a moment's notice. Needless to say, IMO, they failed in the 'half-decent' bit. In fact it's the sudden appearance (and even quicker unexplained disappearance) of the Scourge which is, to my mind, the most conclusive evidence that Doyle's death was not, as has been claimed, written in from the very beginning. Other arguments could have been convincing, that Doyle was just there to give Cordelia her visions or that it was to emphasise the darker tone of the new series. But the very script of Hero, the Scourge and Cordelia's out of the blue reassessment of Doyle all point to the fact that GQ's departure was not anticipated. And on a personal note I prefer to think that such a tawdry episode was not the result of several months of Joss and David's combined creative ability. I think better than that of them.

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StuStuStu Watcher Posts: 1554 Registered: Dec 99
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posted 22-05-2000 12:04 PM
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Or, there's another idea. The Scourge were hyper-transparantly nazis - this we all know.The nazi's proclaimed themselves to be "pure" humans - this, obviously, was untrue. The scourge proclaimed themselves to be "pure" demon...... 
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manic_jude Scooby Gang Member Posts: 555 Registered: Dec 99
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posted 22-05-2000 06:27 PM
Ah, Stu's makes loads of sense. Like Hitler had that whole Airan (sp?) thingy, the demons have this whole skull showing, gooey thing going on, I get it.
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Anosmic Scooby Gang Member Posts: 37 Registered: May 2000
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posted 22-05-2000 11:31 PM
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quote: Originally posted by StuStuStu: Or, there's another idea. The Scourge were hyper-transparantly nazis - this we all know.
Yes, I mean Demons in Uniform (does that sound like something from the Fantasy Channel? Especially after that bordello thing in Warzone?) were a bit much. But I like the idea of the Scourge (although it's a bit much that they go charging around the streets and no one seems to notice) and at the moment I'd take them as the baddies over W&H (or Adam of course). I mean that they are wandering around exterminating half-demons and that they've killed Doyle yet Angel has forgotten them is a bit much... Whether or not it (Doyle's death) was planned from the start: I believe it was, but perhaps they hadn't put enough thought into "how" it would happen.

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Vox Scooby Gang Member Posts: 135 Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 23-05-2000 12:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by StuStuStu:
The nazi's proclaimed themselves to be "pure" humans - this, obviously, was untrue.The scourge proclaimed themselves to be "pure" demon......
Thatis a good idea, but there's a question mark over the BWL. If it worked as the Scourge said it did then they really didn't have any humanity in them and they were 'pure'. 
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StuStuStu Watcher Posts: 1554 Registered: Dec 99
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posted 23-05-2000 05:23 PM
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If you look at it from an empirical PoV, true.But again, twist it around. I'm a member of the Scourge. Therefore I'm a pure demon. I have this BWL. It hurts others. I'm immune. Therefore it doesn't hurt pure demons, and only hurts the impure. 
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Vox Scooby Gang Member Posts: 135 Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 23-05-2000 07:30 PM
I see what you mean.We only saw the BWL vape two people and I thought it interesting to note that Doyle, who was spikey when he jumped on it, reverted back to his human face before his death. Traditionally, in extremis, half-demons and vamps go game so its odd that he should revert at that moment. It could be interpreted, thereby, that the BWL was somehow either suppressing his demon half or bringing his human side to the fore, perhaps in preparation of burning it out of him. 
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Leababe16 Scooby Gang Member Posts: 62 Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 23-05-2000 07:51 PM
I saw it as, the light burnt him from the outside in, so, it kinda burnt that off, and brought it down to his human face, as in what was underneath ( the real him?)Anyone get what I mean? 
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yally Scooby Gang Member Posts: 140 Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 23-05-2000 08:48 PM
I don't quite remember, but didn't Angel survive when the First Mate from the ship was de humanified? (for want of a better word)
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Anosmic Scooby Gang Member Posts: 37 Registered: May 2000
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posted 23-05-2000 09:55 PM
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quote: Originally posted by yally: I don't quite remember, but didn't Angel survive when the First Mate from the ship was de humanified? (for want of a better word)
I think that was a distance thing. They said it wasn't up to full power, so it could only vapourise the bloke right in front of it.

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