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Idiot Jed
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posted 06-06-2000 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Idiot Jed   Click Here to Email Idiot Jed     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Okay so I have a meeting thing in about an hour now and I'm really panicing, so of course I put on Restless and hmm, now I'm posting to take my mind off it and I always scribble notes when I'm nervous (in the absence of being able to doodle)....so just ignore me okay

Notes On Restless In Context Of S4:
Season Themes:
Who are you?
Belonging.
Knowledge/Learning.

Giles Dream: Olivia is pregnant and pushing an empty pushchair (mother figure?) telling Giles to take it easy on Buffy, Giles tells her that its his business. Giles hypnotising Buffy - "Stop thinking". Giles concerned that his role as watcher actively tries to prevent Buffy having a normal life. "Look into the light" and do not question values which have been in place since the dawn of time (Pangs??)Primal Slayer never had a watcher - watcher as civilising or uncivilising force? Character development during season focusing mostly on his age - pocket watch, Spike tells him he's "wasting time"....

Who are you? - Watcher/father (ie. A New Man)
Belonging - age, running out of time
knowledge - questioning his own values - "A little old fashioned?" were the Watcher's right with the dawn of time stuff?

Xander's Dream: "It's all about the journey." He's behind everyone else. Being judged in the bathroom incident (i.e. Yoko Factor fight). Divided self with ice cream van X looking on at protecting guy Xander. "Society had certain rules and an end zone", questions Willow when she says she is ahead of him "Is that so?" Refers to Anya as 'my demon' just after trying to persuade her not to take up vanegeace again. Who does he want to take vengeance on (family?). Buffy's playing in the sandbox (life/adult world?), he says its too big and you can't protect yourself (fear?).

Who are you? - comprador/soldier/whipping boy and watcher/brother/protector/burden
Belonging - born in the basement. empty swing. opening the door to his father is "not the way out"
Knowledge - he can't understand Giles and Anya (Giles eating an apple, symbol for knowledge?). He "knows what's up there" when he looks towards the door. But he still can't stop it.

Buffy's Dream: Who are you - Are Slayer's human (Adam before he was a demon can't remember his name, also Riley's nickname 'killer')
Belonging - In the real world, "The Slayer does not walk in this world.
learning - "We are alone", "We don't do this anymore." She's "asking the wrong questions."

Willow's Dream: Who are you - "Everyone's starting to wonder about you. The real you"
Belonging - stepping on everyone's cues (a burden), "Is there something wrong with me?" She doesn't want to leave Tara's room because she's afraid???? And why Death of a salesman/Madame Butterfly????
Learning - Truth, about herself, revealing the truth to others. It seems she doesn't really know who she is herself.

TIME - Willow's LATE for drama class - Xander is playing catch up and 'hasn't got much TIME' - Giles has his pocket watch and is "wasting time" - Buffy's CLOCK is wrong - ????

Oh god, half an hour. I am calm, I'm not nervous at all. Its fine, its gonna be fine, its just a little meeting type thing....they're not gonna say anything bad right? Okay, leaving now (ARGGH!)

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RooBall
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posted 08-06-2000 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RooBall   Click Here to Email RooBall     Edit/Delete Message  19468063   Reply w/Quote
I liked your ideas.

Thought the apple might be more to do with Eden and forbidden fruits & such however.

Madame Butterfly I presume was a link back to Nightmares when she didn't want to sing Opera. Death of a Salesmen however is a little more ambiguous. From my limmited memory of it the relevant themes are:

* The Lomans in general cannot distinguish between reality and illusion, particularly Willy.
* Being unable to see change.
* Being unable to keep up with changes in society/technology. ("How can they whip cheese?")- Nya. Ha. Cheese
* Failing to suceed in your dreams/ The American Dream.

Incidentally, did you notice who it was that was lying by Harmony's side in the production whilst Buffy was shouting at Riley? Looked like Xander but I wasn't sure.

Don't spose you know the significance of
a) Joyce being in the wall and learning to play Mahjong?
b) Willows book report of 'The Lion, The Witch & the Wardrobe'?

OOoo yeah, hope meeting thing went okay

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Idiot Jed
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posted 08-06-2000 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Idiot Jed   Click Here to Email Idiot Jed     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Thanks for replying. The meeting was kind of like a nightmare I once had but....its over now and merely remains a scar on my memory for all time

As for the Restless stuff, I just cannot get enough of it. The apple thing, yeah thats kind of what I mean't too. Adam, Eve and the apple from the tree of knowledge (given the season has a lot to say about how far we should go to gain the proverbial truth). I was really freaked by Joyce in the wall too, cause I mean it could suggest the whole I think my mother is watching me all the time thing, but also that Buffy feels guilty for leaving her parents to live her own life. As far as the majang (spelling?) goes, I have absalotely no idea!!

I like notes...they hint of that moment before idea thing that walsh (albeit the crazy professor) was talking about in Hush. Its one of my passions, reading other people's notes (strange I know but....)

I'll shut up now

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Amy's Cat
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posted 08-06-2000 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amy's Cat   Click Here to Email Amy's Cat     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
When we saw part of Joyce in the wall I just thought it meant that Buffy doesn't see much of her mum anymore

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