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Raggi
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posted 20-05-2000 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raggi   Click Here to Email Raggi     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
We know that the Watchers Council wants Faith dead and they don't seem particuarly bothered if they kill Buffy. If both of these Slayers were killed it would obviously enable the council to have two new Slayers who they could actually have working for them.

We now know that if a slayer dies, no matter if only momentarily then another is called, the original still retaining her slayer abilities. By all accounts this wasn't known untill it happened to Buffy so now that the council know this why are they not trying to capture Faith, even Buffy in order to carry out a series of flatliner style experiements resulting in a whole legion of slayers. They seem to have proved that they are a lore unto themselves and have little respect for life if it anyway gets in their way.

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Vox
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posted 20-05-2000 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vox   Click Here to Email Vox     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
We don't know whether, when Buffy dies again, another Slayer will be called.

It could be that she is already 'dead' in the eyes of whatever calls Slayers and so a further death would have no consequence.

You could flatline Faith and then flatline the person called after that and so on ad infinitum but it would be slow going and the Watchers Council has shown itself to be incapable of controlling even two Slayers at once. They probably don't want a load of Slayers going around getting ideas in their head like "Why are we listening to these Watcher-pheebs anyway?".

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posted 21-05-2000 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thebigd_17   Click Here to Email Thebigd_17     Edit/Delete Message  55133506   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vox:
[B]We don't know whether, when Buffy dies again, another Slayer will be called.

It could be that she is already 'dead' in the eyes of whatever calls Slayers and so a further death would have no consequence.
B]



I agree with that above. Buffy died so the new slayer was called. All she got left is her power.

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Raggi
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posted 21-05-2000 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raggi   Click Here to Email Raggi     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Her power is surly what makes her the slayer. It is obvious that this power isn't exclusive as Buffy didn't become a mere mortal when Kendra was called. When the slayer dies another is called forth therefore if Buffy is still the slayer her dieing again could bring forth another. This is quite a grey area as the 'powers who be' (I'm assume it's them who grant slayer power) would seem to have screwed up bringing forth Kendra and leaving Buffy with her slayer ability as we were lead to believe early on that there could only be one.

We have heard lots about the balancing of good and evil so are the powers that be limited to only sending forth one slayer (We are certainly lead to believe so and if not, then why only one)
and if so are they just exploiting a loop hole. For instance why wasn't the balance readdressed when Kendra died.

As there are no precedents set then it is impossible to know what would happen. From the Watchers Council's point of view it certainly wouldn't hurt to try and if nothing else they would know exactly what the score is. I don't think they would not want to have multiple slayers. It can do them no real harm and they have all those watchers just sitting around and going on retreats.

I ramble but I hope this makes some sense, I've been studing for accountancy exams all week so my brains a little fried

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julz
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posted 24-05-2000 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for julz   Click Here to Email julz     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Are we forgetting that the council are still the good guys, even if in a non-2-dimensional way. They don't want to kill faith, they want to re-educate her. (The mercenaries they sent could have just slit her throat but instead they tried to take her back).

I've never heard the theory that a slayer wouldn't be called if buffy died again before, it's very clever and does neatly solve the problem.

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MonSTeR
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posted 25-05-2000 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MonSTeR   Click Here to Email MonSTeR     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
I volunteer to "re-educate" Faith

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Vox
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posted 25-05-2000 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vox   Click Here to Email Vox     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MonSTeR:
I volunteer to "re-educate" Faith

You do realise that, if her re-education is going to have any chance of success, that your relationship would have to be completely non-sexual. If she's going to have any chance then her 'tutor' figure cannot be one over whom she has any sort of sexual hold.

Still fancy the job?

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StuStuStu
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posted 25-05-2000 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StuStuStu   Click Here to Email StuStuStu     Edit/Delete Message  11315396   Reply w/Quote
Sure, why not, I'm corrupt *G*

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julz
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posted 25-05-2000 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for julz   Click Here to Email julz     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Mmmmm.... sexual hold. <drool>

I just said "heh" *very* loud.

- Julz "Beavis" F.

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Raggi
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posted 25-05-2000 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raggi   Click Here to Email Raggi     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
I think I must have been watching different episodes of Buffy and Angel.

In Buffy they were going to shoot Faith (buffy in Faith's body) and in Angel all that Machine gun fire didn't look like they were particuarly bothered about keeping Faith and Buffy alive.

Watchers such as Giles might be good but I think seson 4 has cast serious doubts over the ethics of the Watchers Council.

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julz
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posted 25-05-2000 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for julz   Click Here to Email julz     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
ahaha! But that wasn't the council, those were the council's mercenaries and the council now believes she's beyond reconciliation.

And the mercenaries did try to take her back at first but f-ed up and so tried to shoot her.

Point is, as far as the council is concerned, they are out for good. They may want to kill faith but _they think she's too dangerous to stay alive_, that doesn't mean they're going to perform brutal experiments to see how many times they can kill her!

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Raggi
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posted 25-05-2000 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raggi   Click Here to Email Raggi     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
The council certainly are out for an end result of 'good' but do the means justify the ends.

The team sent to capture/kill faith are not mercanaries but the Council's special operations team. That would suggest that they are direct employees of the council and hence operating under direct council orders, certainly when it came to killing Faith. If they were not operating under direct orders with their gung-ho gunfire in Angel then this would raise other concerning questions.

From what I've seen in the most recent shows there is nothing to discount that the Council wouldn't be willing to experiment on a couple of rogue slayers in order to further their ultimately noble cause.

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MonSTeR
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posted 25-05-2000 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MonSTeR   Click Here to Email MonSTeR     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Vox:
You do realise that, if her re-education is going to have any chance of success, that your relationship would have to be completely non-sexual. If she's going to have any chance then her 'tutor' figure cannot be one over whom she has any sort of sexual hold.

Still fancy the job?

Yep I still fancy the job. It'd be kind of like being in an art gallery. But where the exhibits kick-box. And I'm not saying I'd succeed, but well I'd give it a shot.

[This message has been edited by MonSTeR (edited 25-05-2000).]

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MonSTeR
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posted 25-05-2000 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MonSTeR   Click Here to Email MonSTeR     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vox:
You [b]do realise that, if her re-education is going to have any chance of success, that your relationship would have to be completely non-sexual. If she's going to have any chance then her 'tutor' figure cannot be one over whom she has any sort of sexual hold.

Still fancy the job?

[/B]


Well OK for Faith's sake then, no I'd better pass. But could I at least watch....and maybe videotape it

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Raggi
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posted 25-05-2000 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raggi   Click Here to Email Raggi     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Could I borrow that tape

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