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MonSTeR
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posted 01-06-2000 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MonSTeR   Click Here to Email MonSTeR     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Okay "kissing toast" had cloven hands "cos he was so old"

Is this because he was so old that his hands changed over time?
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Is it cos he was so old that his "demon purity" was so high. I.E. that when a demon mixed their blood it was so long ago that the demon was more pure and thus those he sired where more demonic?

If it's the first one (change over time) how long does this take? and shouldn't it maybe have started to happen to Angel cos of his 1000 years in Hell?!?!?! Or are we talking a LONG time rather than a long time?

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Red Faerie
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posted 01-06-2000 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Red Faerie   Click Here to Email Red Faerie     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
I think coz he was more demonic but then you never know with these demon types and everything. If it is the other one then 1000 years isn't a long time so I don't think it wouldn't happen to Angel.

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Opiumia
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posted 02-06-2000 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Opiumia     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
It seems to be that with vampires and demons that they become more animalistic (gradually losing any human attributes they may have had) over time, thus the older they are...

The Master was more batlike that your average vamp and he was supposed to be knocking on a bit.

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Or Maybe Kakistos was not fully human at the time he was turned... OK Giles said he had cloven hooves due to his age, but he's been wrong before, right? And hasn't Giles also said that (in the Buffyverse) Demons inhabited the earth before humans? Therefore Kakistos could be so old he's actually a pre-human earthdweller.

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posted 02-06-2000 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vox   Click Here to Email Vox     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
MonSTeR has a point, we were told that he had cloven hooves because he was so old. Not that as he had aged his hands had become cloven.

Joss has said more plainly that vampires de-evolve but only extra-canonically so it's not proof positive. After all, it's usually the younger vampires that wear their normal human faces the least.

And this would explain why Angel has shown no signs of de-evolution despite his eternity of sweaty, naked torment.

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